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Again, atheists are touchy... Says the people who have a meltdown over a starbucks cup.
Milo, you might be right about feminists but when you are talking from a christian perspective, which has a group thats exactly like feminists among its own ranks, about atheists you dont know what you are talking about. Infact you make the same arguments against atheists that feminists use against men. I find the hypocrisy very sad.
I find it odd that he calls atheists "touchy" and "priviliged in society" when its demonstrably the opposite. Atheist organisations pay taxes. Christian organisations, especially churches, get tax exception status. What exactly is an atheist privilige? I can name a few christian priviliges like the tax exception status, earlier jail release by converting, lower prison sentences, no prison sentences, downplaying of sex scandals involving children...
And when atheist organisations put up a billboard, which is the first group to complain until it gets taken down? Christians. Which atheist group doesnt ask for billboards to be taken down? All of them. Where are the touchy atheists?
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frapsap The mission of The Satanic Temple is to encourage benevolence and empathy among all people, reject tyrannical authority, advocate practical common sense and justice, and be directed by the human conscience to undertake noble pursuits guided by the individual will. Politically aware, Civic-minded Satanists and allies in The Satanic
Temple have publicly opposed The Westboro Baptist Church, advocated on behalf of children in public school to abolish corporal punishment, applied for equal representation where religious monuments are placed on public property, provided religious exemption and legal protection against laws that unscientifically restrict women's reproductive autonomy, exposed fraudulent harmful pseudo-scientific practitioners and claims in mental health care, and applied to hold clubs along side other religious after school clubs in schools besieged by proselytizing organizations.
Sounds pretty decent to me. The satanic panic caused by christians only made satanists look bad when in reality satanists are better humans than christians ever will be with their 2.000 year long and bloody history. The fact is that far more crime and child abuse has been committed by zealots in the name of god, jesus and mohammed than has ever been committed in the name of satan. Many people dont like that statement, but few can argue with it.
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Belief that the universe created itself is, they say, intelligent, rational, and based in science. This is simply false. Nothing can create itself.
I dont know a single scientist that claims that. Thats what theists claim all the time. And your god created itself? Or did he come from nothing? The "god was always there" excuse defies all logic but later you claim that your god is supported by logic.
Everything has a cause.
Nope. The spontaneous disintegration of radioactive nuclei is truly random and uncaused, providing a counterexample to the assumption that everything must have a cause.
Belief in God, as Kreeft shows, is more rational than belief in nothing
Thats not atheism, thats nihilism. Nice false strawman. In any case, not believing claims is a rational position called skepticism.
Logic, science, and reason, support God
A being that came from nothing/never had a cause to exist is supported by logic?
The complete lack of empirical evidence is supported by science?
An omnipotent being that cant show itself to mankind in a way that would convince everyone is supported by reason?
In short: no.
Atheism, as you´ll see, is far more steeped in blind faith than is belief
Except that atheism is a lack of belief just like christians are atheists towards all gods but one. By your logic not believing in claims is blind faith.
Thats embaressing for someone that pretends to be a philosopher.
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@ladonnamendoza2297 "if you did your research, you'd know that it's Catholics that sexually abuse children, not Christians."
From my point of view, christians are christians no matter how they named their group. They all have the bible, they worship the same god, the same jesus, the same stories, the same excuses for atrocities, the same ignorance and like you they all claim to be the only "true" christians.
"The Vatican is behind it - the Pope and the practices of Catholicism/Paganism/Islamism - they're all connected and one in the same - all teaching that Jesus Christ and God is not real if you REALLY pay attention"
Thats a pile of horseshit. Catholics based their beliefs on teh christian bible. Pagans have literally nothing to do with the bible or middle eastern teachings. Islam basically the brother of christianity. Same god, some of the same stories but they view jesus as a prophet, not as the son of a god.
" They have vaults of pictures/videos/tapes of all the children they're abused."
If you know about this, why havent you reported this to the authorities?
"There's even persons who followed Catholicism who had the same experience from nuns and priests and released testimonies and articles on their personal life experiences."
Yes, and christian organisations including mormons and the vatican and catholics oppose any law that requires to report abuse from confessions or clergy personal. ALL OVER THE WORLD. Including your denomination.
"Again, Catholics and Christians are not the same."
Same beliefs, same methods, same abuse cases, same ignorance, same lies, same churches, same shit.
"Do your research."
I did. Thats why Im not an imbecile like you.
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***** "I have never claimed that anyone was killed in the name of atheism"
Liar.
Quote from you:
"The last hundred years saw a few major wars and democides directly caused by marxist ideology (which is not only atheistic, but anti-theistic) that killed over 250,000,000 people."
"These deaths were not "in the name of atheism"..."
Then why point out that their are atheist in nature? Because your argument wouldnt work otherwise.
"...just like native americans being hired to kill each other and getting shot down was not "in the name of Christianity"."
Its not like christians did enough of the killing themself...
"The 'blood up to their knees' tale is physically impossible, plus it comes from the justified wars during the crusades."
Jerusalem conquered 7/15/1099 more than 60,000 victims (jewish, muslim, men, women, children). [WW37-40]
(In the words of one witness: "there [in front of Solomon's temple] was such a carnage that our people were wading ankle-deep in the blood of our foes".
And good job at defending slaughter.
"Remember that not all wars are mindless acts of aggression. The overwhelming majority of Christian-Muslim wars happened because Muslims pushed a little too far with the rape, the murder, the slavery, etc."
Right, christians never liked competition.
What kind of human waste product do you have to be to defend atrocities... Oh, you.
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Im in germany too and I can say you are full of shit.
" I don't know how USA was in the pandemic, but germany got like a kind of dictatorship in the pandemic:"
First lie. Except the entire country missed the dictatorship but only the uneducated conspiracy nutjobs noticed it. So weird.
"- doubts about the need of lockdowns? censored, laughed at or named conspiracy - anyway that they never helped like propagandised!"
Second lie. Uneducated morons pretending to know even remotely as much about how to handle a pandemic or how viruses work were laughed at. For good reasons. Nobody censored you from embarassing yourself but many people didnt want to listen to unhinged rants like yours every day.
"- the ministry for health (and propaganda)? RKI (a big health institute in germany), not the ministry in the government"
Third lie. The Robert Koch Institute is the central institution of the Federal Government in the field of disease surveillance and prevention.
"- laws for lockdowns and relaxations? given by the RKI, not the ministry in the government, the ministry in the government was only about to accept them and set them to laws"
Fourth lie. See above.
"- vaccinations? sure they're "voluntarily" - just get a vaccination and you keep all fundamental rights"
Fifth lie. Nobody lost any rights. Not one! But private stores and companies have health regulations like dont walk without shoes into our store, dont bring deadly & easily transmitted diseased into our stores, dont walk in naked, dont touch open food when you arent buying it, wear a mask when working with spray paint, wear a helmet on a construction site and so on. Not one right lost.
"- effects of lockdowns and relaxations? "Sure they helped and were needed" - f... off that they never effected like propagandated: If lockdowns would help, the infections would go down, if relaxations were so harmful the infections would go up -> the reality showed the opposites!"
Sixth lie. You have no clue how a pandemic works or how viruses spread.
"- the damage of the vaccines? people have massive vaccine damages that often ruin their lifes, but they must sue to get a little tiny bit of money for it!"
Seventh lie. A tiny minority has side effects due to unforseen circumstances regarding individual physiology. This is very much known about every vaccine and pill people take.
"- proven false propaganda by the RKI and the government themselves:"
By clowns like you? Yeah, right.
"-> "the vaccines aren't harmful at all""
Overwhelmingly they arent. You would know if you understood anything about minorities with rare conditions.
"-> "the vaccinations won't be mandatory""
Correct. Nobody got forced to take one. The last time it was mandatory was when smallpox still existed. You know, before it got eradicated by vaccines. Companies just decided its safer to vaccinate their employees to prevent infecting customers because thats very bad for business. You dont want to follow safety guidelines? Pack your things and fuck off.
"-> "there will be only 1 vaccination and then it will be over""
I doubt anyone at the RKI ever said that. But you wont provide a source of course. And even the followup vaccines were still not forced.
"-> "we have working vaccines" - the reality: the known vaccines only help to get better through if you've Covid but they never ever protect against it!"
Because thats exactly how vaccines work! There is no magical shield against these things. You get it and you either have antibodies or you dont. Vaccines provide the antibodies. Thats how it always has been.
"-> "no fundamental rights will be restricted""
None were restricted. What was restriced was the way people interact in stores and in crowded places like concerts, large indoor events which all got canceled until the regulations how to go on came out. Nobody was forced to stay at home. People who got diagnosed with covid were sent home and told its safer to stay there to not infect others. And the reasonable people stayed home. But no rights were restricted.
You are a liar. The american, science denying, conspiracy nutjob, shoe sized IQ crowd has the same list of bullshit.
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+sebythg Human rights, freedom, capitalism and democracy
None of those are concepts of christianity. Christianity consists of rules that mark non-christians and woman as 2nd class citizens/humans, doesnt allow freedom of religion, forces people to give their money to the church and creates a tyranny. Just look at the dark ages or iran. THATS what christianity in control looks like.
Also should we talk about the pedophile priests that rape children. Whats your excuse for that kind of "freedom" and "human rights (violations)"?
Bible talks about Freedom ! Christianity is the only religion with an universal objective- all humans are born free
Except that the bible labels humans as faulty in need of a zombie guy whos death somehow takes away all accountability for any action and people without that belief are doomed for all eternity to be tortured...
Just look at the Fathers of America, they created it with Christian values. The constitution is inspired from bible...
The constitution actually makes america SECULAR and not all founding fathers were christians. Some were atheists and some were deists. Also the constitution not even once mentiones the bible, jesus or a personal god.
Freedom of religion, free speech, seperation of church and state are christian values? Only if you ignore the ten commandmends.
"You shall not pray to other gods" takes away freedom of religion.
"You shall not take the name of the lord in vain" takes away freedom of speech.
Sabbath... that would cause any country to collapse if everyone would stop working for a whole day...
Adultery or covet is a crime? When was the last time someone got jailed or stoned for that?
All of those can be found today in ISLAMIC countries. Its called sharia law.
I don't think you have ever read the Bible, or if you did you haven't understand it
The irony burns so hard!!!
Democracy- intelectuals observed that this is the only type of government where people can be free, so its the most efficient.
Except that christians in power ignore laws left and right. They want THEIR religion and only THEIR religion promoted through the government which is against the constitution. Christianity costs america nearly 70bil dollar each year because churches dont pay taxes but make millions on many cases.
Islam says that the only form of government possibile is a Theocracy (which is a dictatorship as you know)
Dark ages in europe where a christian theocracy. And america has over 90% christian politicians and most of those want creationism taught as fact in schools. Not far from the same theocracy.
Gotta love hobby christians.
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"I think you forgot that ur country was shaped by Christians"
As long as you only mean shaped and not founded, Im ok with that statement to the point that it happened. But I didnt forget that. And before you maybe correct yourself to change it onto founded by christians, yes. Some of the founding fathers were christians. Some were also atheists and deists. And they all agreed to not create a theocracy but a secular nation. Hence the treaty of tripoly.
It was religious people, specifically christians, that opposed voting rights for blacks and woman, created discimination bills that gave anal birth to kim davis and turdsplats like her, it was christians that introduced pseudoscience into science classes and failed to defend their nonsense in court, it was christians that build hospitals only to let people die there because they refused to save women that had to have an abortion because something went wrong during their pregnancy. It was also christians that burned witches. Who else is so dumb to believe in witches?
The list of christian atrocities is 2.000 years long/old.
" and the fact that ur dollar bill says "in God we trust""
You probably missed the fact that this was added not because of christianity but because of communism. During the cold war era, the government of the united states sought to distinguish itself from the soviet union, which promoted state atheism and thus implemented antireligious legislation. This is part of the US history that christians regularly ignore.
"churches are built by the government"
That makes no sense considering the treaty of tripoly exists and the seperation of church and state clause in the constitution that the government isnt allowed to promote religion. Building a religious building would be a promotion of religion. So no, churches are build by the religious community.
"Separation of church and state" is a phrase used by Thomas Jefferson and others expressing an understanding of the intent and function of the establishment clause and free xxercise clause of first amendment to the constitution.
"Natives and churches don't need to pay taxes"
I dont know why natives dont pay taxes. I didnt look into that nor is that the topic here. Churches dont have to pay taxes because they are supposed to be charitable organisations but only a minority of the churches is actually doing charity work. Megachurches dont do charity at all yet make millions of dollars each year.
Its nothing but exploitation by religious people that preach the opposite. Hypocrites.
But since they dont have to report their finances to the IRS there is little to be done from their side against this exploitation.
Any other organisation that behaves like christian organisation would be burned down already. So dont give me that "weak points" nonsense because you seem to not like reality that much and rather prefer some pink clouded world of yours.
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Gullibility and credulity are considered undesirable qualities in every department of human life... except religion. *Christopher Hitchens
"Nowhere does it condemn being homosexual in the Bible."
So all christians that oppose homosexuality are hypocrites because the bible doesnt support their bigotry?
"It's the act of homosexual intercourse that is considered sinful."
And worthy of the death penalty because two consenting adults have sex exactly like straight couples have? Are you defending a book that asks for the death penalty for people that have sex? Do you really worship a celestial dictator that demands the death of innocent people but who also plans and doesnt care about child raping priests that spread his message?
What kind of retardation is your religion?!
"It's the same for hetero couples that have sex not to procreate, but for pleasure."
How dare people have fun... When your religon takes a stance that sex is evil until you get married, at which point, it's still evil, but at least you can have it, you're going to have a hard time educating people about sex in a way that doesn't sound completely crazy.
"So instead of condemning people to hell based on your failed understanding of Christianity, educate yourself."
IRONY ALERT!!
Instead of spreading bigotry and ignorance based on your failed understanding of Christianity, educate yourself.
When homosexuality is brought up, Christians that smoke, drink, curse, eat shrimp and bacon, have premarital sex, wear mixed fabrics, and marry after divorcing are suddenly concerned with what the Bible allows.
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There is a quote I use for moments like this:
I would love to live and let live, as they say, but religious people won't let us. It's a two-way street. Stop trying to control other people's access to birth control, abortions, marriage, proper science education, proper sex education, etc. and we'd be happy to simply go on with our lives. I want you to understand that everything we do is a response to what you do. If you stopped trying to take away our freedoms and force us to be part of your belief system, we would gladly leave well enough alone. But you don't, so we can't.
- Dave Muscato, PR Director for American Atheists
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@ledan728 "I don't understand how you can say you don't worship Satan yet everything you do is about him."
Yes, you dont understand alot about your own religion. Or reality. Idolizing isnt worshipping. What I dont understand is how people who wander the internet fail to grasp these utterly simple concepts.
"God isn't an idol, everything that people worship other then him is."
Like the bible, the crosses everywhere, the statues of jesus and other biblical characters. Odd that christians quote the bible so often when it comes to idols but never admit that christians have idols while the bible says not to have idols. Also "we are made in gods image" never led to any statues of god. Strange that the center of your religion is invisible and undetectable and can never be used to make something tangible.
"You also said the people worship the cross and that's an idol which is not true. So you clearly have no idea what Christianity is about."
Yeah, the giant cross in every church that people bow and kneel and talk to is totally not an idol. Only christians are so stupid to claim its not an idol while literally worshipping it.
"And no, it doesn't because your use of big words doesn't scare me."
Small and ignorant minds not caring about facts is no suprise to us.
"And God literally can't be an idol..."
Reading is hard, isnt it? We said the bible, the crosses and statues in every church, not god.
"Christianity is the first religion to talk about an idol this way if it even existed before scripture."
Yeah, no other religion before christianity got invented told its followers who have idols to not have idols only to ignore the rule about it. No other religion has that kind of hypocritical and moronic followers. Congrats, I guess.
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@mosalekgwathi4422 "God only fight your spiritual battles something which is benithIf your power.."
What absolute meaningless babbling.
"and he gave us the the Bible which is more of a GPS of a Christian..."
Evidently it was written by people who didnt know where the sun goes at night, who accepted slavery as a way of life and then slaughtered everyone who disagreed for over a thousand years. The last witch trial is about 150 years ago. Yeah, all in the name of the christian god... who made the rule not to murder... except people who want to worship other gods and gays and a whole lot of other people... Dont kill, but kill, enslave, subjugate, indoctrinate, slaughter, torture, abuse... You havent read the bible at all.
It seems christians only preach it but dont practise it.
"if you live according to that GPS I promise you won't get lost .."
If you live according to the bible you will be arrested or worse within a day. Oh, yeah. We non-christians read it from start to end. Unlike idiots like you who just spout the famous verses. You obviously missed the chapters about abortions by priests, slaughter of children and burning/stoning of women for moronic reasons.
Dumb wonnabe theist. Keep preaching. I just keep quoting you to show how deluded you christians really are.
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@mergingbutterfly Please use paragraphs and periods. Your walls of text are very difficult to read.
"from Baltimore City like me we're still to this day you mentioned God let alone Satan and you are suspended."
There are secular organisations who dont just fight religious zealotry, they also defend you when your constitutional rights based on religion are violated.
"I'm pretty sure it's satanic teaching is going to bother people."
Yes, ignorant people. But what ignorant people label as satanic has little bearing on legal topics.
"Why because they teaching this to children"
Giving children the bible which contains burning people at the stake, mutilation, rape, slavery and blood rituals is fine but an after school club with none of that is bad? Isnt that fucked up?
"don't go into a Pre-K trying to indoctrinate children that has never been allowed unless I checked"
Ever heard of christianity? They indoctrinate children in kindergardens, pre-schools, high school, private schools, churches, at home, you name it. So I dont know what you checked but these things have been in the news for 2.000 years.
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Dantius "Mocking them for it is like beating a dead horse, but worse. It is basically bullying."
Then you dont know the definition of bullying.
"When their religion does not affect you, then you mocking them for it is no different than homophobia"
Homophobia is an irrational position to hate people that harm nobody for what they do. Religious people harm people all the time for irrational reasons. They arent even on the same level.
"hating people even though they do not affect you."
Actually it does affect people like me. My sister was always semi-religious until a few years ago she went full creationist and now severed all ties with half our family for no reason, sided with the one family member that tortured us mentally for over a decade and now she has three kids that end up with no critical thinking skills.
So I have every right to hate people that defend such religious zealotry and the religion behind them.
I give your religion as much respect as your religion gives me. There’s nothing complicated about it, and I have every right to insult a religion that goes out of its way to insult, to judge, and to condemn me as an inadequate human being - which your religion does with self-righteous gusto. When it comes to insults, your religion started this, not me. If your religion kept its big mouth shut, so would I. But given that it doesn’t, and given the enormous harm that your religion has done in this world, I’d say that I have not only a right, but a duty, to insult it, as does every rational, thinking person on this planet. Because the moment that your religion claims any kind of jurisdiction over my experience, you insult me on a level that you can’t even begin to comprehend. Even if your beliefs had substance, the arrogance of that would be insult enough. *Pat Condell
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Dantius "1. a blustering, quarrelsome, overbearing person who habitually badgers and intimidates smaller or weaker people."
Oh, NOW you looked it up. But its too late. It still isnt bullying. Bullying requires people to be seriously affected by people around them, mostly personal and in direct contact. Reading a few lines regardless what it says online can be insulting and similar things but thats far away from bullying. Unless you created your own definition of people who criticise harmful behavior online.
"Oh, but of course, you cannot be bullying religious people then because religious people are not oppressed, much like white people. Therefore, racism against white people and sexism against males is perfectly justified."
Is that sarcasm? Because I dont see any comment of mine justifying bullying, racism or sexism.
"Some religious people hurt others for irrational reasons, yes, and some gay people hurt others for irrational reasons as well. They are absolutely on the same level, but like SJWs, the targets of your intolerance and bigotry are defined by priority instead of principle."
Name a gay agenda or doctrine that tells them to hurt people. There is none. Now name a religious doctrine that tells them to hurt people. Have fun writing an essay with all the rules religious people have to harm people.
This is your problem. For you there seems to be no difference between religious people and gay people when it comes to criticism.
"Religious people are not oppressed, so that makes it okay to hate them and lump them all together."
Whats wrong with hating irrational people that do irrational things for irrational reasons that harm people not part of their religious group? Anyone that wants to be part of a group of people that oppose human rights and shields pedophiles from authorities passively supports this harmful behavior and deserves to be lumped together with their criminal members.
"assuming all religious people are zealots. You can hate those all you want, but since you are clearly equating all religious people as the same, then yes, you fit the definition of a real bigot"
A bigot is intolerant towards those holding different opinions. Thats not me. I dont have to tolerate irrational people. Not because they have a different opinion but because they are irrational. Thats not bigotry.
"You must hate freedom as well, since that, like religion, is frequently used for immoral purposes."
I must? Says who? You? And in what context? Im sure that made sense in your head. It doesnt out here.
"If a gay person raped my son, I suppose I should just hate all gay people then? That is your reasoning."
Nope, thats your strawman. And while we are at it, name a few cases of gays raping children in the last 10 years. Now name a few cases of religious people raping children just from the last 10 days. Thats like comparing a sandcorn with a mountain. But hey, they are on the same level, right?
"Do not pretend you think any more highly of religious people, hypocrite. You think of them as dumb, as inadequate and as immoral as they think of you. You are as self-righteous, judgemental and condemning as they are."
Except that I dont harm people or follow irrational beliefs. What they think of me is of no consequence. Their actions are. You still make the mistake to compare groups for the wrong reasons and defend harmful behavior while not just criticising but condemning people for condemning harmful groups. In that sense you defend religious people and put harmless people on their level. And its not self-righteousness to be proud not to belong to a harmful group. Your implication is horrific!
"And I have a duty to insult yours."
Im an atheist and so is the person I quoted. Hence the name at the end of the quote.
"Atheists claim jurisdiction over basically everything"
Nope. Atheism is just about the lack of belief in gods. Not about anything else.
"Your high horse morality speech demonstrates that perfectly, even if you did not think it up yourself."
At least I have morality unlike religious people when it comes to religion.
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Dantius "So basically, even if your behaviour is literally identical to that of any other bully, you are only bullying them if you succeed in hurting them? "
Except that my behavior isnt bullying considering your words dont match the definitions of the word bullying. And yes, bullying has physical or psychological harm as a consequence. How is criticism harmful?
"If you think ridicule and mockery never equates to bullying, then bullying does not exist"
That would include comedy, credible news and basically everything that points out how stupid religious people behave. But luckily there is a difference between those terms. Its not my fault that your attempt to twist them to fit your narrow definition fails again and again.
"but an atheist majority world is one where religious people are the victims of bullying"
I dont even... Hold on there. Did you just go full twat waffle? There is hardly bullying of any kind happening in the least religious countries!!
"It is an argument that has been made over and over again by atheists I have spoken to. I took the initiative in addressing it beforehand this time."
So it was just a strawman then. Good to know.
"Does the far-left feminist and SJW agenda just not exist to you?"
You mean the equivalent of creationists without religion? Im aware of their existance but I dont associate with either of them.
"name a command from Christ that tells his followers to hurt people"
Matthew 5:28-30
But I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman to lust after her has already committed adultery with her in his heart. If your right eye causes you to sin, gouge it out and throw it away. It is better for you to lose one part of your body than for your whole body to be thrown into hell. And if your right hand causes you to sin, cut it off and throw it away. It is better for you to lose one part of your body than for your whole body to depart into hell. <- justification for christian obsession with adultery
Matthew 19:12
For there are some eunuchs, which were so born from their mother's womb: and there are some eunuchs, which were made eunuchs of men: and there be eunuchs, which have made themselves eunuchs for the kingdom of heaven's sake. He that is able to receive it, let him receive it. <- Cut off your dick for jesus
Matthew 15:4-7
Jesus is criticized by the Pharisees for not washing his hands before eating. He defends himself by attacking them for not killing disobedient children according to the commandment: He that curseth father or mother, let him die the death. <- Advocates child killing
Luke 12:47
The servant who knows the master's will and does not get ready or does not do what the master wants will be beaten with many blows. <- Beat slaves...
Luke 14:26
If anyone comes to me and does not hate father and mother, wife and children, brothers and sisters-yes, even their own life--such a person cannot be my disciple. < Hate each other for jesus
Want more? Now about that gay agenda and their doctrine...
"The difference is is that one is a sexual orientation and the other is an ideology, both of which are harmless by default. It depends on the ideology, and the morals of the person who holds that orientation."
Except that a sexual orientation doesnt dictate you to harm people while the ideology specifically does and did in the last 2.000 years. If you disagree with the ideology, then thats just your opinion. It doesnt change what the ideology says you are supposed to to.
"Because the majority of them do not harm people"
It doesnt matter. If we were talking about the KKK or islam or scientologists you would sing a different tune.
"Millions upon millions more have suffered and died at the hands of atheists."
Now I know you have no clue what you are talking about when you use the atheist atrocity fallacy.
"An opinion can never be irrational?"
Ive read your latest comments. Yes, you make a good case for that.
"Seriously? An opinion can never be irrational? You realise if everyone thought like you, then there would be no tolerance at all?"
There would be no child dying at the hands of lack of medicine of parents of faith either. Whats your point?
"You criticise all religion and hate religious people precisely because of what it has been used to do"
No, I hate religious people because of the harm they caused and they justified it by pointing at their religion.
"You know full well that your logic justifies the same hate against free will itself for precisely the same reasons."
That makes little to no sense. Outside your head I mean.
"It looks like someone does not know what homosexual paedophilia is. Furthermore, are you just completely insane? No homosexual child molesters?"
Homosexual and pedophile are two entirely different things. You dont have a case but continue to build up your strawman.
"Also, you seem to be insinuating that gay people can do no wrong"
No, I simply pointed out that even if there were gay people doing wrong, in this case child rape, you would end up with maybe a handfull of cases in the last decade. So just another strawman of yours.
"I hope you are not straight. I would not want you to rape any children."
Actually I am straight and no, I dont want to rape children. Kids are our future, not your kids, better ones.
"I defend free will, and I defend religion because the concept is not inherently harmful any more than opinions themselves."
You seem to never have left your little box or bothered to read the bible online because you know basically nothing about the religion you defend.
"Yes, I know. So...? Oh, yes, you were triggered by me calling you religious, proving Milo's point."
No, both of your hypocritical stupidity triggered me.
"No, you just have a different morality."
No, there is morality and those that dont have it. Unless you claim that psychopaths just "have a different morality".
"Furthermore, a massive amount of religious people share your morals as well"
Which they throw out the window the moment the topic gets to religion where they defend their membership in a pedophile and criminal organisation while worshipping a genocidal psychopath. So, no, they dont share my morals.
"Also, you do realise you have invoked a severe logical fallacy, yes? "At least I" is something almost every single atheist I have ever spoken to has started a response with."
Name the fallacy then. Oh, you cant. You are too stupid to research.
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James 5281 As for your poor insults, Ive been called worse things by better people.
"First off this is the most pathetic dickless response with no thought or truth"
Is that the loving christian or the stupid hypocrite speaking?
"Jesus said "but I say unto you if you even look at a woman to lust after her you have committed adultery against her in your heart""
Go ahead and read the next sentence right after the one you quoted: "If your right eye causes you to sin, gouge it out and throw it away.". Thats fucking terrible advice.
First of all, its a book making the claim. Second, this verse only works on married men who look at a married woman. Third, if nobody looks with lust at each other the human race would have gone exctinct long ago. But I doubt a virgin like you knows anything about sexual relationships with real people.
"God wants us to look at people with love and not lust."
And I should give a shit about what your book claims because...?
"The Bible does condemn rape you idiot it has the punishment of death"
There is no commandment that makes rape a crime. If there were or if you had read your bible, you would have quoted it like before. But there is none to quote.
"Christians receive the most persecution and are hugely mistreated around the world."
Yes, the tax free churches, the priest raping scandals, the billions of church tax going into the pockets of the church, the campaigns to ban condoms in africa, the christian politicians that oppose healthcare and education... Oh you poor, poor christians sob Gimme a break.
"The world isn't America look around you what your saying is just inaccurate about Christianity."
Just like the parts of your book you dont like, you ignore the reality that you dont like.
"Even in the USA the liberal left totally and completely bullies Christians"
Opposing christians that create bills that cause death isnt bullying. Not getting what you want isnt persecution.
"not baking a cake for a couple is moronicly a bigger deal towards people like you then countries who execute gay people and atheists"
Says the one quoting a book that commands the execution of gays and atheists. And lets not forget that it was christians that opposed equality, same sex marriage and are trying to revert all that progress in those departements.
"Those priests broke their vows and lied to everyone so they aren't following their belief"
Ah, the "they arent true christians" excuse. No suprise. But a cursing and insult hurling christian is perfectly within his beliefs, right?
"no Christian thinks suicide bombing is a good thing"
First of all, nobody claims that. Second, the entire suicide bombing community is faith based. Third, it was christians that bombed a clinic in america for religious reasons.
"The irony is it's you who ignores scripture here "
Hypocritical irony bomb!! I guess scriptur doesnt say "you shall not insult" either.
Your ass must get jealous of all the shit that comes out of your mouth.
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James 5281 "Why don't I just blame you for the mountains of dead bodies and rivers of blood that flowed from the atheistic communist agenda..."
First of all, there is no such thing as an atheist communist agenda. Why do you think that argument scores your side any points? Because if your argument is "atheist have killed people", I agree. However, you are the ones claiming your belief system is the pinnacle of morality. And comparing numbers doesnt get you anywhere either because from where I stand, ONE person tortured or killed in the name of religion invalidates it as the superoir moral system.
"These were all done to create a godless society and it has the biggest death toll from all the religious wars of history"
Read the "atheist atrocity fallacy" and atheism isnt a religion and zero people have been killed in the name of atheism.
"So the irony is the blood is on your hands."
Is that your argument? Im an atheist without an organisation, unlike you, who still supports an organisation that commits crimes against humanity.
"The priests broke his vows he made to his church and God and you want to say he still counts? Many pedophiles became priests because they could get close to children and they don't care at all for God, clearly this isn't a dodge or whatever it's just a fact."
Last year there was a story about a priest who it turned out was a pedophile. When he was arrested the members of his church protested, send the lawyers/judge letters to set the priest free because he has been forgiven by his god. They literally asked to let a pedophile go because they didnt care about his crimes. And thats not the only case like that where people ignored the crime or justice in the name of your god.
"By the way I'm not Catholic either. Lumping this in with me would be like if I lumped you in with the scientists who created mustard gas or the atomic bomb simply because you both share an interest in science"
Except that christianity is christianity. Calling it catholocism doesnt make a difference. You have both the same book, believe in the same god, the same jesus, you just dont agree on certain things. Like all the other 50.000 denominations of christianity. So your analogy fails.
"Especially on the Islamic suicide bombing issue you are way off the mark on this one idiot because I've been exposing Islam for 12 years now to try and slow down it's encroachments and destruction of western civilization."
Muslim terrorists killed less people in europe and america than christians. There were less than 5 attacks last year in europe, maybe 1-2 in the US. In the US you are more likely to die from a toddler playing with a gun than from a terrorist attack. So where is the destruction of muslims in the west?
And good job at avoiding nearly all points on your failure to adress the bible verses that demonstrate that you are utterly wrong about your own religion. But keep insulting me. You prove my point better than I ever could, hypocrite.
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***** "but atheists consider people of religion to be a bunch of deluded dumbasses, deserve to be mocked, stuck in the stone ages, and overall a cancer to society."
Yes, because people like you are deluded dumbasses, deserve to be mocked, stuck in the stone ages and overall a cancer to society. You and leeches like you make the best case for it.
"we get that from you people ALL THE TIME."
Yeah, maybe because thats exactly how things are. Did it ever occur to you that child raping priests and tax avoiding churches are parasites to society? Of course not! Because you are deluded dumbasses that cant take criticism! You are deluded for exactly that reason, you cant deal with reality!
"I'm not sure if any of you have seen the movie gods not dead 2, but it was based off of the many court cases that have and keep happening in the US."
You mean the movies about stereotying atheists with imaginary scenarios that never happened in reality? I watched the first. It was stupid. The second is no different. I have better time wasters. At least now I know you have no clue what you are talking about. As usual.
"the media never covers that stuff but look it up, it's all there"
Like the child raping priest cases you dont care about?
" I remember a time when I was in elementary school, this story had made the news, there was this father who protested the presence of the word god in the pledge of allegiance. like seriously mate? "
Yes, because public schools arent allowed to promote religion and part of the pledge is still promoting religion. When it was added to the pledge it was because of communism, which back then banned religion/promoted some twisted anti-religious stuff. Now its being used to promote religion in the US. But what do christians care about the constitution that says the government isnt allowed to promote religion?
"and then you have atheists mocking or feeling uncomfortable when people pray"
Its more that atheists dont like hypocrits that preach the bible and ignore the part that says you shouldnt pray in public.
"you have absolutely no business pointing fingers "
Go on, ride on the harmless stuff and continue to ignore the atrocities your churches commit, like the cherry picker you are.
"but people dont sense much tolerance from you either."
I dont HAVE TO tolerate people that support a child raping organisation.
"what on earth do you want me and others to bloody do??? if everything is offensive, then what do we do???"
Stop being dumbasses, stop supporting child raping organisations, stop infesting politics with pseudoscience and other nonsense where YOU have no business. But you are too stuck in the dark ages for that.
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***** "I don't go to church nor am I Christian you idiot."
Yet you behave, talk and say the exact same lies as christians. Guess you convinced yourself in your head. But your actions speak louder.
"it's interesting how you tried so hard to dodge everything I said, insult, and act so holier than thou cuz ur not religious."
Its like talking to two people here. One is the insulting idiot and the other is the dodging theist. And both deflect everything.
Oh, and yes. Im far superior socially and mentally for not being deluded by ancient dogma and not supporting an organisation that shields pedophiles.
"I totally expected this. just look at how triggered and offended you got"
Its called argueing.
"and don't confuse Christianity with Catholicism, the only thing they have in common is that they think Christ was a thing, but they're two completely different beliefs"
Yeah, thats why they have the same book, the same god, the same jesus, the same history... Totally different...
"Christians have been reformed and called out the Catholic church for their bullshit for centuries! heck the Catholics tried to exterminate them for it!"
Damn, you love to make shit up.
"you're so deluded and naive if you think cases like that have never happened!"
Right, cases like THAT never happened. Prove me wrong! Do it! Find the cases!
"but it's nice to know that I could never count on an atheist like you to look past the fact that I have faith if I ever found myself in a dangerous situation"
Atheists have demonstrably more empathy and are more likely to offer help. Well, if the people deserve it. Pieces of shit like can expect zilch from me.
"I have faith so I ought to be put to death or exterminated lol"
I never proposed that but I wouldnt shed a tear if creatures like you disappear. Not necessarily by violent methods.
"I don't see how thinking we came from bacteria to fish to birds to lizards to monkeys or to whatever is a requirement for inventing the next iPhone, or exploring space, or even being a medical surgeon"
Right, you dont see it because you never investigated. Basically you make argument from ignorance. You dont know, therefor god.
"I'm forced to believe that the earth is over millions of years old in order to do those things?"
You are forced to believe in testable methods! OH NO!!
"and if there's anything you can do, it's let religious people be. if they have their own opinions, refuse to participate in certain things, etc. who cares"
Sure, let them continue to indoctrinate children, abuse children, rape children, sabotage politics in order to promote only their religion. Let them make laws to discriminate against minorities, make certain things illegal like teaching peer reviewed science or proper medical care... Sure, whats the harm... Are you fucking retarded???
I would love to live and let live, as they say, but religious people won't let us. It's a two-way street. Stop trying to control other people's access to birth control, abortions, marriage, proper science education, proper sex education, etc. and we'd be happy to simply go on with our lives. I want you to understand that everything we do is a response to what you do. If you stopped trying to take away our freedoms and force us to be part of your belief system, we would gladly leave well enough alone. But you don't, so we can't.
- Dave Muscato, PR Director for American Atheists
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"The last hundred years saw a few major wars and democides directly caused by marxist ideology (which is not only atheistic, but anti-theistic) that killed over 250,000,000 people."
How to spot the uneducated: Find one that claims people killed in the name of atheism. Check.
Defends religious wars as less of a pile of corpses than history actually says. Check.
Paints religion as the victim. Check.
"Compare that to the body count of religious wars (20,000,000) and it's not even a contest. All this information can be found in the Encyclopedia of Human Wars."
If you ignore the 137mil dead native americans... and the french religious wars which killed 8mil alone... You suck at numbers.
Just the idea that religious people werent satisfied with normal war, they had to elevate it to holy war. They didnt just kill soldiers, they killed women and children, inside churches even. One report said something about blood not just being on the ground but people walking through it like a red stream covering entire areas.
One death in the name of religion invalidates the claim that religion offers superior morality. Youtube christians always demonstrate what utter pieces of shit they are, trying to cover up their atrocities throughout history, in modern times. Must be because they are "saved"... from rational thought.
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***** "you're Pro choice! babies are being killed in the US all the time"
Abortions arent murder. Debating people on this is pointless.
"so why are you concerned about jewish babies and not your own?"
Because they suffer their whole life, many die during this malpractice. And becasue I have empathy towars the living, not towards meat.
"I've seen videos of the abortion procedure and the babies feel it"
Sure...
"it's interesting how you have such a deep love for Christians though"
Thats sarcasm, right?
"u associated them with everything, even me!"
After hearing the same arguments from you like Ive heard from them, it wasnt that much of a stretch.
"u only mentioned muslims like once, no mention of Hinduism, Sikhism, Mormonism, Buddhism, etc. only Christians"
Why would I mention something that wasnt part of the topic?
"you don't like when people generalize atheists, but why is it OK for you to do it?"
Yes, because as an atheist Im not bound to a bigoted doctrine like theists are.
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***** Thats just the period the early crusades happened, the eradication of the pagan religions in the east, religious leaders were in full control, people were executed for petty reasons on the order of popes, at the end of the period over 60% of europe died because of the religious ignorance and shortly after the dark ages the inquisitions came... Yeah, totally not that dark.
Censorship by the church meant that galileo and others had their books put on the Index of forbidden books.
The idea of giving a basic education to to all people did not even arise in more than 1500 years of christianity.
It is a historically demonstrable and bitter fact that christianity brutalised humanity and kept us ignorant, rather than raising them up and educating us.
Faith has always been irreconcilably opposed to rational thought. The orthodox church, and others in the east were no better. No church produced any technology, maths, science, nor any historical and critical thought.
Fortunately, beyond the fringes and below the radar lurked the Jews, the arabs, greco-roman writings and some secular germans. From them came the enlightenment.
The middle east is a testimony to what the dark ages looked like. The secular countries in europe with barely religious influence are testimony to all the nice things religion is opposed to. Education, healthcare, human rights, equality, productivity and more happiness in general.
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vincent raj "The creator didn't go into hiding. Become a Christian and hear him, see him and talk to him."
So your god can only reveal himself to christians? Never to non-christians? What a failure of a supreme being.
"Don't be a prisoner of your logic and be certain science cannot explain everything that happens in real life"
Oh, that’s so typical. Whenever theists run into a simple logical inconsistency that cuts directly to the viability of their entire belief system, they resort to the only “argument” left to them. Which is that we inferior sinners, who are so pathetic that we think it’s a good idea to use our rational minds to help us understand things that don’t seem to make sense, can’t possibly begin to fathom God’s “mysterious ways.” At the slightest challenge, Theists like you absolutely abandon logic. It’s ridiculous and at best should be embarrassing to you. If you can’t explain the simplest, most obvious, most terrible contradiction in the qualities you say your God possesses, much less in the primary quality you say he possesses, which is his love for all mankind. Then how in the world do you expect anyone but a sheer moron to take you or your religion seriously?
Nobody claimed science can explain everything. Yet its the scientific method that is the single most reliable method to determine whats real and whats not.
Religion cant explain anything. Faith is the most unreliable pathway to truth. It makes claims that can and have been refuted.
The only way to figure out which claims about the world are likely to be true and which are likely to be false is through reason and evidence. There is no other way.
"Example : Donald Trump's victory."
I can explain it. Its the result of the failing education system in the US. Ironically its christians that invaded politics and oppose education. The same christians that push pseudoscience into public schools. The same christians that continiously violate the laws to recreate the dark ages.
You have nothing.
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@devinbryne9208 2 Chronicles 15:13
But that whoever would not seek the Lord, the god of Israel, should be put to death, whether young or old, man or woman.
Isaiah 45:7
I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.
Matthew 10:34
Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. For I have come to turn a man against his father, a daughter against her mother, a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law. A man's enemies will be the members of his own household. Anyone who loves their father or mother more than me is not worthy of me; anyone who loves their son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me.
"Author of all that is true, holy, good, or happy" My ass!
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@konstantinlozev2272 "I mean function in terms of planning, organising, social functioning, transfer of vast amounts of knowledge across generations, etc."
Again, not unique.
There are fish who plan and build.
Ants build complex structures that shame any agraculture engineer.
Wolves organise and plan to hunt.
Humans arent the only social group species. Pretty much all whales, wolves, penguins, lions are social species too.
They all have knowledge and teach the next generations the skills to survive.
"2. I'd be interested in the latest research papers on quantum mechanics by professor 🐙"
Unfortunatelly theoretical physics is pretty useless because most of it has zero applications. So any publication there is as useful as mr. octopus' publication.
"Well, take diseases. They are arguably one of the biggest hardships. And our (I mean animal) immune systems have evolved in response to that evolutionary pressure. "
So hardships are any negative aspects in nature?
"The ability to analyse and problem solve and to transfer that knowledge and organise societies around that is our evolutionary advantage."
Again, humans arent the only species with that ability.
"yet you do not seem to recognise that our brains have evolved into a massive evolutionary advantage"
I acknowledged that actually. But still, in nature we are pretty much at the bottom of the food chain. We just bred faster than most others.
"Unparalelled in its capabilities and achievements to other animal species."
The average human on the internet appears almost retarded. Chemtrailers, flat earthers, theists, creationists, con-artist victims, mythical woo promoters, most of the trans community with their obsession in the typical american style with absolutely no useful skills or achievements but constantly doing harm... And they breed like rabbits.
Unparalelled indeed.
Like I said. Being human sucks.
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"it's sad how people use the Bible to deceive people telling them things that is not in the Bible"
Thats literally the purpose of christianity. To lie, steal, indoctrinate, deceive up to killing people.
"there are some brothers that they are scientists and admit that the Bible is the word of God"
No, they work in completely unrelated fields that have nothing to do with the claims in the bible. There is a an engineer at NASA who believes the earth is less than 10.000 years old. Its just his opinion, not scientific fact.
"in the bronze age when the book of Job was written God explain ..."
Uhm... no. A book CLAIMS someone else alledgedly states something. Big difference.
"the Bible says that the earth is floating in space"
Which is false. The earth doesnt float or hang. Its tethered to the gravity of our sun which is moving around the center of the galaxy.
"it explains the water cycle"
Not accurately.
"explains the core of the earth"
Not really.
"It's crazy how some people use the Bible for their own good not to help others"
Like I said, thats literally the purpose of christianity. To lie, steal, indoctrinate, deceive up to killing people.
"The reason why God put those things on the Bible"
The book was literally written by ignorant, goat humpers in the middle eastern desert who split into three groups because they disagreed on what to write down after they made it up. I expect a god to write a much better book.
"science will develop for us to prove later that the Bible is Fact"
Then come back when science actually did that because so far it doesnt.
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@donnievance1942 "Before Europe acquired Christianity"
Europe was conquered by christianity, it didnt ask to aquire it.
"it had a sh!t ton of it's own religions, many of which seem to have had features fully as horrific as anything the Middle East gave us."
Some, yes. All, no. Yet christians instantly outlawed every other religion no matter what they did the moment they gained political power. Like they did in the middle east when they first rose to power. Christians instantly banned other religions, established a militia, burned down temples, executed priests and even killed children for "playing with pagan objects".
"For example: Druidism, with its human sacrifice."
As opposed to christians burrying their first born with their first house and executing alledged witches by burning them at the stake?
"Norse religion, with its Valhalla, the afterlife paradise only available to merciless warriors."
As opposed to the crusaders that burned down entire villages for not submitting?
"Slavery was just as prevalent in Europe as anywhere else, no doubt fully endorsed by all the local religions."
As opposed to by christianity that endorsed slavery for 1.700 years since its conception and still practises it in some cases in the US?
"So don't give us any bigoted narrative about European superiority."
Europe didnt get an upgrade with christianity. Europe is now filled with the best countries in the world when it comes to society health factors. Clearly europe evolved since the christian dark ages DESPITE christianity, not because of it.
"the Islamic world was a far more humane and enlightened realm than Christian Europe"
And then came islam and fucked things up. We see the same happening in the US, brazil and africa these days with christianity.
"Present day barbaric religious fundamentalism is a pan-global phenomenon, afflicting parts of southeast Asia in the form of Buddhism"
Where do you get this nonsense from?
"India, in the form of Hinduism; and North and South America, in the form of Christianity; as well as a huge swath of Eurasia, in the form of Islam."
Doesnt compare to europe where religious fundamentalism is a minority problem due to secularism kicking theocrats out.
"Christianity, by the way is not a purely Middle Eastern religious form."
Clearly it had its own evolution to remain relevant especially with the rise of newspapers and the internet to show people the many crimes of christianity that are still ongoing.
" The character it has today was constructed principally in the Hellenistic and Roman world, and most specifically in Rome itself, which you may recall is part of Europe."
Yeah... Rome and vatican are in europe therefor europe bad. This is such a moronic take.
I cant tell if thats supposed to be a diss at europe or a defense of christianity. Either way its just embarassingly ignorant and stupid.
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@Nobnoxious "Better reverse letting veterans go outside the VA for seeing a doctor."
Are you suggesting this is because of trump? The same trump who started calling veterans who have been critical of him „Never Trumpers,“ which he has said are „human scum“?
"Next should be the Iran deal..."
Which one? The one trump made up about 150billion $ or the sanctions that were signed before trump ran for president?
"Also let’s roll back that whole Experimental drugs for terminally ill patients that don’t have cures thing."
Yes, lets give terminal ill patients improper tested or untested drugs... But block assisted suicide because people must suffer through it at all costs, cut food stamps right before xmas for over 700.000 people including veterans...
"Let’s get back into stupid carbon emissions control issues, cause Carbon being a 10% contributor to “global warming” is soooo imperative to control."
Trump doesnt understand climate change nor agrees to any measures to reduce the dangers of global warming.
Also according to actual experts its 76% (fossil fuel, industrial processes, forestry and other land use).
https://www.epa.gov/ghgemissions/global-greenhouse-gas-emissions-data
"A .4 degree rise in temperature over 120 years is not an impending catastrophe !!"
If you ignore all the record temperatures in summer and winter in the last 20 years, rise in sea levels, increase in forest fires, current australia fires, increase of ice breaking off the poles and pretty much all the evidence for climate change... Yeah, then perhaps your nonsense might make sense. But its actually 1,62 fahrenheit or 0,9 degrees celsius.
https://climate.nasa.gov/evidence/
"Educate the uneducated"
Maybe I will start with you then. You desperately seem to need it.
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"no, I reject satanists, though."
Yeah, apparently for no good reason.
"yes, SOME religious people are VERY hateful and intolerant. I'm not one of them, and I'm not exactly religious."
Irony and two lies. Yep, thats a christian for you.
"I simply live my life, trying to follow Jesus's teachings, trying to whatever good I can"
By blindly believing and spreading lies about decent people, being a douchebag to people who know more about your religion than you...
"As Jesus said, "Love one another as I have loved you.""
The "dont bother replying back, Im outta here" doesnt really paint you as a loving person. As usual, there is no hate like christian love. With a big load of stupid hypocrisy on top.
And christians wonder why people are leaving christianity en mass. This is the reason right there.
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"LOL yes I have a pretty good understanding of what's in the Bible."
Evidently you dont. Nothing funny about it especially when you lie so openly about it.
"For someone who's not believer you write thinking you know Christianity."
Yes, non-christians can read too. Even the bible. THE HORROR!!
Which is ironic because most christians know less about christianity than most atheists who actually read most if not all of the bible.
"What is your point from the verse? To this day Christians regard the Torah very highly. We believe the words of Christ about the Law of Moses not passing away which is why we include it in our sacred text (the Bible)."
This is why you dont understand your own bible. If the old testament is not invalid then saying "jesus completed it" would mean its invalid. Which its not according to the bible.
"Yes and I would condemn their actions as well precisely because they don't act according to the faith."
The people who followed the bible according to what it said committed these crimes because the bible promotes them. Have you ever bothered to read the old testament and a history book about christianity??
"I can also find some atheists who did some terrible things."
Except that atheism doesnt have a doctrine that could compell anyone to commit terrible things. Unless you want to name non-smokers or people who stopped driving cars to your silly list.
"If you think Christianity is bad because of Christians (who aren't even following Christianity), I guess atheism is bad too because of these atheists who kill and steal? Your argument makes no sense."
It doesnt make sense because
- that here is your strawman
- you dont understand my argument
After explaining it to you I go with both. Christians pretend to have a superior moral system but christians lost the argument nearly 2.000 years ago when the first christians came to power and created an army to destroy pagan religions, executed people who worshipped pagan gods and all the shit that happened since then.
The fact is that far more crime and child abuse has been committed by zealots in the name of god, jesus and mohammed than has ever been committed in the name of satan. Many people dont like that statement, but few can argue with it.
"Why not focus on the good people in Christianity whose faith inspired them to do good?"
Its like in court. When you fuck up so badly it doesnt matter what good you did.
"Mother Theresa worked so hard to help those in need precisely because of her Christian faith."
ARE YOU KIDDING???? She was a monster!! At the time of her death, Mother Teresa had opened 517 missions welcoming the poor and sick in more than 100 countries. The missions have been described as "homes for the dying" by doctors visiting several of these establishments in Calcutta. Two-thirds of the people coming to these missions hoped to a find a doctor to treat them, while the other third lay dying without receiving appropriate care. The doctors observed a significant lack of hygiene, even unfit conditions, as well as a shortage of actual care, inadequate food, and no painkillers. The problem is not a lack of money--the Foundation created by Mother Teresa has raised hundreds of millions of dollars--but rather a particular conception of suffering and death: "There is something beautiful in seeing the poor accept their lot, to suffer it like Christ's Passion. The world gains much from their suffering," was her reply to criticism, cites the journalist Christopher Hitchens.
Nevertheless, when Mother Teresa required palliative care, she received it in a modern American hospital. <<-- Nice hypocrisy.
"Do you still want to argue that Christianity inspires hate in the world?"
Yes, it does:
Matthew 10:34
Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. For I have come to turn a man against his father, a daughter against her mother, a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law. A man's enemies will be the members of his own household. Anyone who loves their father or mother more than me is not worthy of me; anyone who loves their son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me.
Luke 12:47
The servant who knows the master's will and does not get ready or does not do what the master wants will be beaten with many blows.
Luke 12:49
I have come to bring fire on the earth, and how I wish it were already kindled!
Luke 14:26
If anyone comes to me and does not hate father and mother, wife and children, brothers and sisters, yes, even their own life, such a person cannot be my disciple.
Timothy 2:12
I do not permit a woman to teach or to assume authority over a man; she must be quiet.
I could cite the old testament too because the passages with rape, slavery, cruelty and "...must be put to death" are numerous there. I could also cite some of the loudest bigots among christians like pastor anderson or the overwhelming majority of conservative christians who oppose same-sex marriage, who opposed interracial marriage decades ago with the exact same arguments, christians who cite the bible to justify the death penalty for silly things, the american bathroom bills were specifically created by christians
"Do you have a source ? You're just stating things without evidence."
Here is one source who brings such cases to us on a daily basis: https://twitter.com/hemantmehta
There is something from a few years ago but its ageless considering large christian organisations are discovered to hide criminals on a nearly basis these days: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Jay_Report
http://archives.weirdload.com/stats.html
Knowing and not reporting to athorities: https://www.dw.com/en/australias-catholic-church-rejects-use-of-confessionals-as-evidence/a-45300111
Thats just the tip of the iceberg if you care to investigate these things yourself.
Someone suggested "The Catholic priesthood has a rate of child sex abuse that is the same as the general population. It seems higher because the popular press emphasizes it." THE SAME AS THE GENERAL POPULATION! I let you figure out the math.
"And you need to stop grouping Christians into one category. It's like because you found bad apples in a basket, all the apples must be bad? Learn to see the good in others that are different from you."
All christians (pretend to) love a genocidal maniac, defend genocide, promote and defend a book that promotes genocide, slavery, rape, rape marriage, sexism and more. You imply I should be more tolerant... toward people who defend genocide? Seriously? Why do you think american christians are called "american taliban"?? Or have you listened to christian apologists like william lane craig who said in a debate that child slaughter commanded by the christian god ment their salvation according to his divine command theory??
These arent "just a few bad apples". Its a fundamental part of christianity. Eat a history book for a change.
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"Completion does not mean He declared it invalid. If a grade 3 teacher completes the understanding of a class in grade 2 is He declaring what they learned in the previous year invalid?"
That analogy doesnt make sense and the term complete also doesnt make sense in either context. Which would still mean the old testament is still valid which most christians ignore. No matter how you spin it, christians are either hypocrites or cherry pickers.
"Completion does not mean He declared it invalid. If a grade 3 teacher completes the understanding of a class in grade 2 is He declaring what they learned in the previous year invalid? Christ built our understanding of what true righteousness is: Love your enemies, judge and you not be judged, forgive and turn the other cheek, not refraining from doing good even on the Sabbath."
I cant name a single church group that follows this concept.
"Forgive me but you are the one who doesn't understand Christianity or taking history seriously. Study what the original Christians were like."
So far you havent demonstrated that you understand christianity. All you did was twist it in order to defend your ignorance. And the original christians were the next best thing to savages with slavery, sexism, rape marriages, tribal wars and genocide. So dont pretend others dont understand christianity when its you who clearly never read a history book about the last 2.000 years.
"Try reading the letters of St. Paul. Were they like the crusades or missionaries that forced people to convert?"
You are selecting the tiny pieces of gold inside a mountain of shit.
"Seems to me you're ignoring all the verses of love I gave you. Why is that?"
No, you are ignoring the verses about hate. Modern christians dont practise what you preach. So your verses are useless.
""Those who live by the sword shall parish by the sword." Christ condemns futile violence."
Ironic when a carpenter said that before he died from being nailed to a wooden cross. :D
"Most Christians today condemn the actions of the cruscades and corruption in the past."
Again, selective condemnation. You wont find a christian condemning biblical genocide or their priests when they are found with their pants down infront of a child.
"tell me the doctrine of the Incarnation?"
The what?
"Supposing it to be true, does it not reveal God's love for man?"
This is the part where you demonstrate your ignorance or dishonesty about the foundation of christianity again. You have a god that set up a garden and then placing a snake to make the inhabitants fail a test. Then failing to establish order and sending himself down into a bastard child to sacrifice himself to himself to create a loophole for a rule he created. And then he hides without a trace. Thats a really stupid and cruel concept. Thats not love.
"We are convinced we have a superior moral system because we believe it was given from the Creator. If a man invents a machine, He decides how it should behave."
Christianity doesnt offer a moral system. You have a list of dos and donts all from the bronze age atributed to a divine tyrant. Thats not even remotely morality. This system also falls apart because christians fail to demonstrate that this god exists. This system is also contrary to every progress we made in the last 500 years. Like I said, if you follow the bible to the letter you end up in jail within days or less. Evidently your system doesnt work.
Even secular morality is superior because it provides an actual foundation which people agree upon in most of the world. Humans came up with a better system than your bronze age god!
"So all Christians are guilty? Past and future?"
Guilty of worshipping and defending a genocidal maniac, blood sacrifie, torture, punishing people for the "crimes" of their ancestors and much more? Yes. Anyone who does that is messed up.
"And LOL in what way is she a "monster." She was trying to make them feel loved. It wasn't just about their health."
She didnt try to make them feel loved. She soaked up their pain like a drug! Anyone who builds hospitals but lets the people just rot and suffer is a monster. And so are you for defending her. Good job.
"Well obviously are there more Satanists or Christians in the world? That's like saying a population of 1 million has more violence than a population of 10,000."
Obviously your moral system doesnt work because one person tortured or killed in the name of the christian god invalidates it as a superior system. The satanic temple has far superior tenets than christianity. Your religion killed people INTENTIONALLY for 2.000 years and still defends pedophiles. According to a report of 2002 (which got worse since then) christian pedophiles represent HALF of the total amount of pedophiles. HALF!! Not satanists, not atheists -> CHRISTIANS!
"There's a difference between reading and actually understanding the core message and teaching behind Scripture."
No, there is a difference between a literal reading of a supposedly divine inspired text and twisting it in order to make excuses for nonsense. Christians always pretend there is some other logic required in order to understand the bible. Thats bullshit.
"The verses you quoted are a complete misunderstanding of what Jesus meant."
If it doesnt mean what it says then it doesnt say what it means. You are just not honest to admit that the bible is messed up. You have to defend it against all reason.
"What he is speaking of is priorities. In other words if it comes to following Christ or following my parents' teaching, I will follow Christ."
It clearly says HATE others. Thats not a priority, thats hate. You rather choose hate to save your soul instead of living a decent life.
"If you think Jesus' words were to be taken literally I suppose you think He wanted us to cut off our hands and remove our eyes? Or when He says be like doves, we were to fly and lay eggs? Some teachers use metaphors and stories to convey a message."
With absolutely no indications given in the bible, how can you possibly determine what is meant to be taken literally and what isn't? Sounds more like just another excuse.
_"In my opinion the abandonment of God (which puts you at the centre of the universe in terms of deciding what is right) has killed far more people than religion ever has. People become heartless when they take morality into their own hands (guys like Hitler and Stallin who were convinced their actions were right)."
The less religious countries fare far better than the most religious countries in nearly every aspect of life. Iceland, norway, sweden are the least religious countries and they dont have the problems of iran, the US, malaysia and similar religious countries. So evidently you are wrong.
Hitler identified himself as a christian in his speeches, in his book, on the belts of his soldiers, in the bible he published. Stalin was a military tyrant. Neither of them did that because they didnt believe in a god. They thought themself above all others. The average atheist isnt like that unless you imply all atheists are necessarily psychopaths, sociopaths and dictators without being able to make a reasonable connection between those concepts.
"They weren't murdering in the name of God."
So they must have killed because they didnt believe in your cosmic justice system?? Did you ever read anything about human psychology??? Your ignorance is mind blowing!!
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@Monica Calderon "there was a satanist that sacrificed people and burried them in the back yard...so theres that"
Congratulations. You found ONE. I can name thousands of christians who killed their children, raped children and did worse while preaching with a book that promotes slavery, torture, rape... and while worshipping a god of genocide. But somehow you think satanists are the really bad ones?
"Evil dosnt discriminate..it is found in evil and holy places alike..."
Except christian churches hide pedophiles, the doctrine promotes rape, slavery, child abuse, murder, churches demand tax exemption without proving that they ever do charity, mega churches... enough said about them, and so on and so on. Holy places are magnets for criminals.
Good luck finding a doctrine in modern satanism that promotes or condones harm.
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@MiriBenii "by what basis can any thing be more or less rational?"
Depends on the goal and the methods used to achieve a goal. If the methods dont lead to the expected outcome then its not rational.
When someone suggest to change a tire using a spoon, thats irrational.
When someone suggests that something we use for thousands of years now doesnt exist, thats irrational.
When someone claims X exists but cant show that it exists and only plays word games because people who arent gullible dont blindly believe it, thats irrational.
When someone makes moronic claims and calls people morons, thats irony.
"describe this blind and and moronic process called natural selection"
Its ironic that its called SELECTION and you still call it blind. Selection isnt blind incase nobody explained this simple concept to you yet.
"did you just trie to make some logical argument without justifying how can any argunent can be made?"
You constantly talk about people you dont know, about people that arent here, about concepts that dont exist, about things you dont understand, about things you make up, about topics you strawman and then refute in attempt to make an argument against them...
You wouldnt know reason if it came with a shirt labeled reason and slapping you with a reasonable fish across your unreasonable face!
"No, the universe does not exist. I say so. You dont exist, i say so. I dont exist, i say so."
A perfect example of irrational and moronic. Good job.
"Im an atheist, i have no basis abot anything"
You are a theist. You dont know what you are talking about. As usual.
Its always the same with theists. Always pretending to know everything but making an utter fool of themselves while everyone around them is laughing at them. But please, continue. I enjoy the laughs.
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@kevinjoseph7556 "what you believe is nonsense also."
Care to be even more unspecific?
"Who taught you that teaching about God which is about doing right is nonsense."
Maybe its because, if you actually read the bible, you find god described as a genocidal, tyrannical, cruel, stupid, vengeful, incompetent, vain and evil character. Nothing about him is good by definition. I mean you tell your children to love someone who committed genocide, ordered slavery and rape marriages. Thats pretty fucked up. So if god isnt good according to the bible, if properly read without twisting it like christians love to do, then "doing right" and "god" are incompatible concepts. So yes, that makes the teachings about god nonsense.
"What will you do if you are wrong."
Trying to stirr up fear of your hell? Well, thats not going to work. When mindless preaching doesnt work, then scare tactics sure as hell (pun intended) wont work either. The time to believe something is when there is sufficient evidence to be convinced. Like actual evidence that the supernatural exists or hell or heaven or your god which hasnt happen yet. So I have no reason to assume Im wrong. Im doing what every reasonable person would do when confronted with insane claims that defy reality. I dont believe them. Its that simple.
"Beg for mercy."
You wish. You cant wait for people to grovel before you or your god, eh? So vain...
"If you know so much about being a Christian why aren't you."
Because I actually read the bible, havent come across evidence that supports the supernatural or alledged historical events or any evidence that supports the claim that a god exists.
In short: Im smart, reasonable and not delusional to be a christian.
You think your claims are true? Prove it. Claim your nobel prize. Which you wont because you cant and you wont even admit that. Deal with it.
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"Whatever is in a person's heart is what God knows about."
Thats very useless to determine whether a person is decent or garbage.
"Martin Luther once said (paraphrased) that sometimes those who profess Christ do not have Christ in their hearts and those who don't profess Him may very well have His presence."
Every christian claims to be a true christian. I say every christian is a crappy christian for cherry picking rules from the rule book instead of following all of the 613 rules.
"I do know that leading anyone helpless or hurting or desperate astray, i.e. the people reaching out for help to the televangelists, is very wrong"
Obviously christians are more concerned with LGBTs, women rights and hiding scandals rather than opposing the richest among them.
"Jesus promising that to follow him is hard and usually painful"
Yes, every christian must a victim thingy, false persecution, being hated for preaching "the truth" yadda yadda. Most christians dont follow what jesus also preached like hating the rest of the household, only love him, kill unruly children and such.
"I also remember Jesus' comment to the rich young man "Go and sell everything you have and give it to the poor.""
Yeah, christians dont care what the bible says when they are rich. But what do the gullible masses care either...
"And you are absolutely right about us not being good to begin with.."
I specifically said christians, not humans. Even tho most humans Ive met and saw are garbage too.
"As for decent people doing good deeds, those deeds are only supposed to be a reflection of Christ within."
Except doing good for sake of doing good has nothing to do with christianity.
"If you disagree - that is your right of free will and I am fine with that."
Im so glad you approve, master.
"God bless."
This is why christians arent decent. You deliberatly throw a steak into a vegans salad and think you have done a good deed.
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@TheMilitantMazdakite Are you suggesting only atheists are debunking claims about christian mythology? Cant hindus, muslims, jews, pastafarians, satanists and my grandmothers dog do that too?
"What evidence have you that religion is a "lie"?"
Which one? Christianity, islam, judaism, hinduism, moronism, scientology?
Are you specifically talking about the iron age myths about a cosmic wizzard wearing a meat suit after giving birth to himself, unicorns, talking snakes and empty promises of living on after death which in itself is a contradiction in terms ? Yeah, those are obvious lies promoted by delusional people and grifters who exploit delusional people like you.
People dont need to disprove whats obviously false. People need to back up claims. No supporting evidence, dismissed. Thats how we deal with every claim. Including religious claims. Otherwise Im claiming you love to diddle children and wait for you to provide evidence to the contrary. Be glad logic doesnt work that way.
"Yeah, but you can have Christianity without creationism."
Except without creationism one of the pillars of christianity vanishes which makes it difficult to make sense of the rest that is based on it. You would have to make shit up ontop of the made up shit that you want to exclude. Without creationism you dont get adam & eve and without them you dont get original sin or a need for jesus. And without salvation the entire religion just crumbles beyond its pile of garbage that it already is.
"Christopher Hitchens is the imperialist propagandist I refer to."
Today the term imperialism is commonly used in international propaganda to denounce and discredit an opponent's foreign policy. International organizations, including the United Nations, attempt to maintain peace using measures such as collective security arrangements and aid to developing countries.
Your claim just doesnt make any sense.
"Also, the people cheering him burning in hell were BASED!"
The words are english but there is no meaning. Literally.
"Would you condemn people for cheering on Joseph Goebbels burning in hell?"
Hmm, would people who dont believe in an afterlife cheer about events in the afterlife... Hmmmmm. Lets have a think over that. A LOOOONG THINK!
Dude, just stop. The discovery morons wont suck your dick for simping here.
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@masoncrowell1452 "The early churches clearly taught "faith without works is dead.""
Thats why churches get tax excemption before the doors are open and then rarely do charity? Oh wait, spending money isnt in the churches interest. Making it is.
_"Second, genesis clearly states men are made in Gods image through Gods will."
Ephesians 1:4-5
For he chose us in him before the creation of the world to be holy and blameless in his sight. In love he predestined us for adoption to sonship through Jesus Christ, in accordance with his pleasure and will.
So much for free will.
"which is engrained in most most western civilizations laws (etymology of western civilization=Christian civilization )."
There is no such thing as a "christian civilization". Nearly all countries and nations are SECULAR. If you are looking for a country and its government based on a religion, look to iran.
"Lastly the omnipotence of God is restricted by Gods nature. Anything is possible through God, but not if it is out of Gods nature."
The words omnipotence and restriction in the same sentence creates a contradiction.
What the heck is even "gods nature"?
Appearently its not possible for god to tell you the same as the christian next door, or the apologist on any stage or the preacher in any church. He also cant appear in reality like any real person can. And everytime people relied on imaginary friends their tasks failed. So nothing is possible with your imaginary friend. Or didnt he tell you how your statements fail so badly?
"Not your fault for not knowing the early teachings because most people don't teach the new testament in its entirety.... in fact most people who know the bible the best were illiterate.."
Except that I read the bible. Unlike you or most christians. And the earliest christians didnt have a bible.
"because the old church teaches an oral tradition based on family tradition, music, art , liturgy"
Which makes the bible completely unreliable even before mentioning that it was edited countless times.
"The protestant reformation brought the doctrine of bible alone, then the proceeded to take books out of the bible that didnt contradict the churches teaches by the slightest. This is why most bibles will not have Judes testament"
The word of god... edited by protestants... which cant be fixed by any christian... What a failure of a religion and an incompetent god.
"If you possess a catholic and protestant bible, you will notice the catholic version has much more text."
Yeah, which of the over 30 versions of the bible is the most accurate one? Why isnt there just one? Why cant god instruct people to write an accurate bible that can be verified to be accurate? Oh wait. Dont tell me. He doesnt exist, he cant or he doesnt want to.
And you expect people to believe your bullshit? Pathetic.
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@masoncrowell1452 "I will only refer to the verse in Ephesians because it is the only relevant point the matter of church teachings"
Good idea. Ignore everything from the last 2.000 years except this one point you agree with...
"Would you not consider that the churches that preceded Calvin would have viewed this differently?"
The fact that churches even can disagree doesnt seem to bother you at all. Its like there is no god to clear this up.
"You see it wasnt a denomination or group of special people who are predestined through Gods will to receive salvation."
They werent special... but they were chosen/predestined... Water is wet... but its dry... Riiiiight.
"For the context, it is aimed at conveying whoever shows up for this pivotal moment during their persecuton, will receive blessings from the lord regardless of your race or creed."
Like the slaughtered children at the hands of moses' tribe? Or the other innocent children killed by the hand of violent christians?
And christian arent persecuted. Never were. Because the people that were persecuted nearly 2.000 years ago werent christians and since then christians were always the persecuting party. Even today christians are in power but still pretend to be persecuted.
"But notice, I didn’t predestine that you individually would watch this movie clip. What I predestined is that whoever shows up at this conference would watch this movie clip."
Except that making a date to show a clip is nothing extraordinary, having a movie clip isnt extraordinary. Nothing special about it. How you get from that to "god did something thats totally self-contradicting therefor god exists" is slightly crazy.
"So too, from the foundation of the world God predestined that whoever is in Christ would become holy and blameless in his sight."
Yeah, every bastard christian who insults and even violently harms other people believes something similar. It causes thoughts of immunity to consequences, to be special because "big brother" got your back.... and then these people end up harming others and "enjoy" years in jail. Totally delusional.
"But he didn’t predestine certain individuals — as opposed to other unfortunate individuals — to be in Christ. This is left up to our choice."
According to the bible thats not the case. You see, this is my point about christians not agreeing with each other and the bible. You invented your own version of christianity RIGHT THERE the moment you disagree with the doctrine of your religion. Exactly as expected when its all bullshit because if your god were real and you were actually in direct telepathing contact with him, he would tell you to follow the bible instead of diverting. But its all bullshit, man-made bullshit for gullible and delusional people like you.
"Now that you’ve chosen to be in Christ..."
I actually dont. Your incoherent babbling isnt convincing in the slightest.
Its always the same. Empty preaching is supposed to convince people with half a brain? Well, that obviously doesnt work. It works on impressionable children tho aka indoctrination. So you fail, your god fails... But you still pretend you have a case like the delusional moron you are. Truly pathetic.
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"You are confusing law and morality...Religious foundational morality is the commonly institutionalized beliefs of right and wrong."
Im not confused. You are. Morality is morality. The law is the law. There is no "moral law". Right and wrong have nothing to do with laws. Words have usages, you know?
"The widely accepted practice of individuals NOT ALWAYS acting or behaving in ways that only benefit self interest. These practices becomes written into law and shape society."
Again, those arent laws. Those are social rules. Its also reasonable to be selfish when it comes to all activities and actions that involve only one self like eating, hygiene, clothing and such.
"Religion is the foundation for humans that chose to not lie, cheat, steal, and kill as desired to better their positions in life."
Evidently not. The abrahamic religions have numerous passages in their holy book that promote stealing, rape, murder, slavery, sexism and even genocide. Religion doesnt even improve morality considering a christian has to worship a mass murderer, a muslim has to worship a pedophile warlord and jews have to mutilate their children. There are also the thousands of pedophile priests, the churches that dont do charity while not paying taxes, the religious wars, theocracies...
Right now the most religious countries are the worst while the least religious are the best to live in. North korea being the exception.
"1.) Many of us follow the internal driving forces foundational morality or we certainly follow the external forces of law that has derived from it."
They have been influenced in the past but arent anymore. Unless you live in a deeply religious country that is ruled by theocrats like iran. The rest of the world enjoys secular governments with social rules instead of religious doctrine.
"2.) A relatively peaceful inclusive society has been created in accordance with these religious foundations."
Nope. I doubt you can even name one or justify that claim even if you could find such a society.
"And that is worth respect and tribute, even if the god/heaven it stems from is fictitious."
To whom exactly? The child raping christians? The sexist muslims/islamists? The child mutilating jews? Or any of their predecessors from their nearly 2.000 year long bloody history before we kicked religious rules out of the governments for the most part?
"That is, "Thank god, your neighbor isn't trying to enslave you right now.""
In a christian country that would be legal just like it is legal in taliban controlled regions. Its still ok in the bible and quran yet its illegal in most of the world.
So I dont see this foundation nor a concept of religious morality. We had laws long before the abrahamic religions were created and those societies had even better laws than christianity or islam can offer.
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@mosalekgwathi4422 "what has the sun has to do with Christianity.. "
Im refering to the bible that describes a dome above a (flat) earth where the sun would just vanish during night. Makes sense because people from the middle east back then had no clue what was beyond the horizon.
"...the Bible was written by disciples of Jesus Christ"
Obviously the parts about the garden of eden, moses and his (imaginary) millions of jews fleeing from egypt and the birth of jesus werent written by people who were just kids or not alive yet when jesus was born to be disciples of jesus. I mean, seriously. People who would have been born at about the same time as jesus wrote about the history of christianity up to over a thousand years before their time??
Most of the stories were collected from other religions, some even fabricated (like a guy living in a fish for days unharmed, moses parting the red sea, a virgin having a baby that is its own father...), the authors of the gospels are anonymous beyond the name...
I would assume a god would do better than that.
""abortion by priests"can u elaborate on that"
Thats something you should know when you read the bible.
Numbers 5:16-22
The priest shall bring her and have her stand before the Lord. Then he shall take some holy water in a clay jar and put some dust from the tabernacle floor into the water. After the priest has had the woman stand before the Lord, he shall loosen her hair and place in her hands the reminder-offering, the grain offering for jealousy, while he himself holds the bitter water that brings a curse. Then the priest shall put the woman under oath and say to her, “If no other man has had sexual relations with you and you have not gone astray and become impure while married to your husband, may this bitter water that brings a curse not harm you. But if you have gone astray while married to your husband and you have made yourself impure by having sexual relations with a man other than your husband”— here the priest is to put the woman under this curse—“may the Lord cause you to become a curse[d] among your people when he makes your womb miscarry and your abdomen swell. May this water that brings a curse enter your body so that your abdomen swells or your womb miscarries.
"the Bible was written by Jesus disciples.."
Evidently not.
"and yeah people do change the word of God to suit their own needs"
The word of god... but by men. Sounds like a useless book because it completely unreliable. Or christians just cant agree to write an accurate bible.
"the Bible did warn us about that e.g guys like Pope who want to change the prayer in the Bible saying it's confusing"
Really? In which verse from the book you havent read does it refer to people who want to change prayer?
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@jdos5643 In no reality in the infinate multiverse is what you said correct.
"atheists are Adamant about calling theories facts in science"
It literally takes seconds to look up the term "scientific theory" to learn that theories are the highest form of knowledge in science, explaining the facts. FUCKING SECONDS!
Atomic theory, theory of matter and energy, cell theory, germ theory, theory of plate tectonics, theory of evolution, theory of quantum mechanics, theory of relativity, theory of light energy, theory of electromagnetism, theory of radioactivity, theory of molecular bonds, theory of homeostasis, theory of gravity, etc..
Evolution is a scientific theory. It is also a fact. And facts and theories are different things, not rungs in a hierarchy of increasing certainty. Facts are the world's data. Theories are structures of ideas that explain and interpret facts. Facts do not go away when scientists debate rival theories to explain them. Einstein's theory of gravitation replaced Newton's, but apples did not suspend themselves in mid-air, pending the outcome.
"If you cannot explain the Big Bang theory and I quote you it’s a “mystery” then neither can or should you call it a fact"
Whats with this obsession about the big bang? I didnt call it a fact. Its not an actual scientific theory. Every scientist knows that. Its just that over time the name stuck with it. Yet every scientist understands the difference between it being a hypothesis that we might never elevate to the level of a scientific theory but it still has valid evidence supporting it partially. Like a few other hypothesises about the origin of the universe.
And even if scientists knew absolutely nothing about the origin of the universe, theists like you or those pretending to be scientists have done nothing to prove that a god exists or was involved in any event.
"the Big Bang was Invented by a Christian ironic how atheist hold It as a fact and still call it an Unexplainable mystery lol how contradicting is that?"
A scientist who happened to be a christian had a hypothesis, it got investigated for decades, turned out we found supporting evidence, turns out people talk about it... Somehow thats contradicting. Thats fucking stupid.
"And if you admit that the universe is too vast to comprehend? Then why be so quick to dismiss the only plausible explanation that God did it?"
Ah, yes. The feuerstein fallacy. God might exist outside our knowledge but we have no way to investigate therefor god is an acceptable explaination. Somehow...
You have not provided anything that convinces any rational person that your god exists, that he has powers or that he used his powers to do anything. Theists always fail at the first challenge. Thats why I dismiss the god claims.
"You admit to not knowing 90% percent of what’s out here yet deny a God or creator."
Yes, because you dont know either. Because its an argument from ignorance fallacy. Or in your terms "we dont know how it happened therefor god". Every other type of theist could bring the same claim about their god and nobody could falsify it. Its completely useless.
"When setting God aside as the only source for the universe you then accept the belief in a magic box..."
Except natural forces have literally nothing in common with magic. You promote magic, not me.
"And if you don’t know as you just admitted then why are you giving your invalid input?"
Not knowing about the origin doesnt invalidate my opinion on the topic of your imaginary friend. Especially since your nonsense claims are filled with fallacies.
"with your comment you just demonstrated you have no intellectual integrity"
Admitting to not know an answer instead of making shit up is by definition intellectual integrity. Which is the opposite of what you are doing because you pretend to be better educated than any scientist.
"All you have proven is the opposite or pure dishonesty."
Thats called projecting. Evidently.
"You said and I quote you you don’t know or care a $h@ about the topic. Yeah you said it all."*
Because the origin of the universe doesnt tell you anything about the topic of the video. Context is important. For me at least.
"Btw, I don’t use such language in my vocabulary because that’s not what my professors taught as part of curriculum…."
Of course not. All those fallacies, false accusations, projecting, lies, being a douche is totally not such language. /s
"and there you are still proving yourself a coward who deletes his comments because you have nothing factual to say or even defend your false beliefs."
You literally responded to my comments that I havent deleted, I defended my position and now you lie about both. But keep pretending you loser are a scientist. Someday someone might be dumb enough to fall for it.
PATHETIC!
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"You people don’t seem to care much about satanic demoniac beings operating in society."
No, we dont care about delusional people.
"Promoting degeneracy, Committing sacrifices, drinking blood, to name a few things."
Like the worship of a genocidal tyrant, promoting a book with child sacrifices, slavery, child abuse, rape and rape marriages? Yeah, we all heard of christianity by now.
"This is one nation Under God for a reason."
It literally takes seconds to google for the reason why that phrase replaced the former national motto, the treaty of tripoly and the constitution of america.
"You people who tolerate these satanic pedophiles are the problem."
Except there are none. The only pedophiles that hit the news every day are christians.
"I bet you all wore masks and got vaxxed too just like the news told you too."
Yeah, because we dont want to suffer through easily preventable diseases and dont want to infect others because we care about society. Its what reasonable people do. Not you.
"Living in fear."
Its not fear to care for others. Eat a dictionary.
"This Godless society is drowning in fear and lacking what is needed most, love for the creator."
Yeah, it worked so well during the inquisitions, crusades, dark ages, witch hunts and still doesnt work for the millions of molested children in christian churches.
Seriously, go to a library and start reading. Your stupidity is embarassing.
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@jonathanwilcock71 "He attempts to explain the Canaanite culture and the reasons for this command."
He specifically justifies the slaughter of (innocent) children. There is no cultural context that can excuse this. For any decent person its easy to condemn this. But not for christians. Suddenly atrocities are ok.
"He could say the story (like some held beliefs) that like most stories of the bible was a metaphor or a ‘what if’ scenario"
Metaphor or not, its fucked up to justify genocide.
"Your issue is with Gods method and not WLC’s attempt to explain this I think."
Actually its WLCs statement, not attempt, because he didnt just attempt to justify it, he really justified it. No, its not with gods method because god doesnt exist. WLC just pretends to speak for his imaginary friend to fool gullible people into believing that WLC can read a mind thats not there.
"WLC motivation to present Gods love..."
Constantly lying, justifying genocide and preaching iron age barbarism has little to nothing to do with love.
"His standpoint is from the New Testament of salvation."
Alledged salvation but real concept of genocide.
"You already have a view of God as an ‘imaginary friend’ so why care about imaginary stories?"
Because he tells this story to impressionable children and gullible adults who end up worshipping a genocidal tyrant by pretending he loves them. Its called religious indoctrination and thats obviously fucked up.
"We are talking about a man’s motives and why he cares to present a world view that brings meaning and hope."
Hope to be slaughtered by delusional people who hear voices that tell them to slaughter children and not give a fuck about this life because nobody is held accountable in this life because every atrocity will be forgiven in the alledged afterlife?
"I take it that you are a pro life supporter and find the killing of children as abhorrent as I do."
Im not pro-life in the average, hypocritical christian zealot kind of way but unlike you I actually find the slaughtering of children atrocious and would never dream of making excuses for it like you are doing right here.
"This one is difficult to justify"
Looks like its very easy for christians like you. Its really fucked up while pretending to have a moral high ground.
"it has little to do with WLC motivation to present the redemptive power or Christ"
The point wasnt about jesus, the point was that WLC, like you, makes excuses for genocide while pretending to be the most moral people on the planet because you point to the opinion of your imaginary friend as justification for said atrocities.
" And when you say us.. you mean you"
When I say us I mean us as in the people who facepalm at your comments. Dont pretend you know what I think or mean when I clearly write something else. Dont lecture anyone about honesty again when you lie like this.
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@TheLotusPanther "I can't rule big foot out and I would be dumb to. I don't lack a belief, or believe."
Grow a spine. If nobody can prove that there is a big foot for decades, then its time to stop pretending there might be one. Grow a spine.
"What if I said I lacked a belief in a table?"
That would be utterly moronic.
"I don't buy for a second the assertion that some opinions are just allowed by default because they happen to be in the negative."
That makes no sense.
" Materialism claiming to know if spiritual things exist, is as dumb as someone with a metal detector only finding metal, and deducing there is no water."
No, your strawman is dumb, not materialism.
Materialism is a form of philosophical monism that holds that matter is the fundamental substance in nature, and that all things, including mental states and consciousness, are results of material interactions. <- this does not include anything supernatural because there is no single reliable method to detect or measure anything thats supernatural. Having an opinion or alledged experience isnt enough to make it real.
Instead of actually presenting evidence for the supernatural or gods, theists like you always attack atheists for being skeptical. You believe you can end this silly debate once and for all but utterly fail. Hell, your gods fail to convince reasonable people. But you believe you can do better? Arrogant much?
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@TheLotusPanther "There is nothing you said that I can't deal with but it is four or five more branches."
So far you havent made an accurate point and couldnt understand anything Ive said. You are lying to yourself and me again and cant comprehend how some topics are connected. And then you whine about hurt feelings and boast about how well you do in this exchange. Its pathetic really.
"It seems you have a very strange evangelical understanding of Christianity, maybe with prosperity gospel mixed in."
It seems you have very little understanding of christianity. Like all christians.
"For a lot of the prosperity gospel folks their God is man made."
Its the same for pretty much every denomination because they all ask for money so the preachers can sustain their lifestyle. Some just take it much further than others due to audience size. But at the same time christianity is somehow the biggest religion even though you call most christians fake. The hypocrisy is mind blowing.
"Seems like so many atheists these days have a bombastic hostility, where anger clouds all reason."
Its not like there are no good reasons to be angry at christians. The daily pedophile priest cases, mega churches with indoor service infecting countless people with corona, preachers spreading hate and ignorance, christian politicians spreading hate and blocking necessary bills, child abuse, theft up to murder... and thats just this year. Every year for the last 2.000 years. Christians always were like this. And you act suprised why people are hostile to ignoramuses like you.... And thats right before you boast about understanding things so well.
"Then they make the claim they themselves are reasonable"
Talk sense to a fool and he will call you foolish. These phrases exist because of people like you. Same with "practise what you preach" which exists because of hypocritical christians.
"I am not hostile to atheists I am sympathetic. I understand the worldview..."
No, you arent and you really hardly understand anything. You demonstrated that this entire time. Your dishonesty is also showing again. For example by calling one position a worldview.
"the lack of a worldview just a belief in a lack of God, that acts as the core to a web of beliefs, and forms community, that agree on most life issues, but we must call it a worldview."
This is the part where you understand atheists so much that you strawman our position like this, right?
No, not believing in X isnt a worldview. One topic alone isnt a worldview. It might be for you but that doesnt mean its the same for everyone else. Stop projecting your flaws & ignorance onto others.
"You see how clearly I understand you and your views."
No, you make shit up while whining about hurt feelings and then strawman my position over and over and now verbally masturbate about your alledged superiority. You evidently dont understand.
"I know all the counter arguments."
More false boasting. How pathetic. Fallacies arent countering anything. They only show that you dont have reasonable or accurate arguments. You still pretend you know everything but you hardly know anything as you demonstrate in every comment. This is what your religion has done to you. I just sit here and throw rope at you and you hang yourself each time. Its hilarious if it werent so sad.
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"A study of 17633 wars show that Aetheist are responsible for 40% of wars and killings"
You forgot to mention non-smokers and vegans. How many wars did they start?
"Hitler,Stalin,Mao,Pol Pot."
Hitler openly admitted to be a christian. Stalin, mao and pol pot were militant tyrants who killed to stay in power.
There is no doctrine attached to atheism that can compell people to kill. Its old christian propaganda to paint atheists as pyschopaths. Strange that in the US alone the overwhelming majority of prison inmates are christians, not atheists.
"Whilst Christians are Darwin,Newton,Faraday.Martin Luther king,Stephen Hawkins"
Darwin was a racist despite his work in biology. Newton was into the occult. Faradays contribution had nothing to do with religion. Martin luther king was a christian activist for civil rights (which dont exist in christianity). Stephen hawkins was an atheist, he never converted to any religion.
"Aetheists have done nothing but harm to mankind"
Says the people who cant properly spell atheist, killed anyone who didnt want to join them for over 1.000 years and are now in the business to hide their own pedophiles while exploiting entire countries for money.
You sure got a big mouth for being this dumb.
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