Comments by "Marcus Aurelius Antoninus" (@marcusaureliusantoninus2597) on "Is the West getting tired of Ukraine? (no, not really)" video.

"if we stop supporting Ukraine now, Russia is just going to do something similar again" - why do you think so and what's your concern anyway?
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Are you a masochist? What's your business anyway?
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@donaldkasper8346 Invasion of "Chechnya"? Chechnya was not a country, it was a rogue region of Russia, a nest of terrorists, human and drug traffickers. The 2nd war started when Chechen rebels attacked Russia in Dagestan. Georgia? When Georgian troops attacked Russian peacekeepers? Splendid. The Ukraine TWICE? When was the 1st one? Russia never invaded the Ukraine prior to 2022. She seized control over Crimea with the forces of the Black Sea Fleet stationed locally. Russia supported irredentist rebels in Donbass, but never sent troops there before 2022. Moldova? Again, when Moldavian forces attacked Transnistrian territory and Russia helped the latter. So much for the "invasion". Dagestan? Mate, do you realise that Dagestan is a region of Russia? It's the same as to say Spain invaded Basque country. Russia never invaded Afghanistan after the collapse of the Soviet Union. What do you mean by "North Causcasus" and why are Chechnya and Dagestan listed separately from it? The region of North Caucasus is controlled entirely by Russia. She invaded her own territory? Mate, unfortunately what you are saying is showing how little you know of the region and its modern history. Unfortunately, it's typical for people from Western Europe or the US to support the Ukraine without even realising why. Just because of "the current thing", it seems. Again, I could write you a similar list of countries the US invaded over the last 30 years. Does it mean the whole world should boycott the US and sanction them?
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@melissahouse3488 My, I thought literal NPCs that would call your troll for your unpopular opinion were a hyperbolisation by alt-rights
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As a Russian, I am trying to ask many Western persons here and I rarely get a sincere answer if at all. Mostly I just get shrugged off as a "Kremlin troll" or a "brainwashed tankie". However, I am still trying: what was the reason you started to support the Ukraine? I mean, for an average Western person it's most likely something that is happening on the outskirts of Europe where countries are not that "Western" in terms of both culture and political practice to feel instinctively drawn to one side and averse to the other. Is it just because the media is kinda hinting (if not telling directly) who the "good" and the "bad" guys are? I don't know if you personally are from Europe or another part of the Western world, but for Europe where I live this war has brought dwindling life quality standards and economic hardships. And of course I have a stake in the matter, but I imagine if I hadn't, my desire would be to urge the governments to stop the war one way or the other, mediating into the conflict. Which Western governments do not do, staunchly supporting one side and not even trying to come to terms with the other. I would imagine I would be pissed off to see my government not trying to protect my interests as their citizen. However, what I see around is a sizeable proportion of people start hating on Russia more and more as monthly bills skyrocket through the roof and prices rise as if it was Putin who put those bloody sanctions on Russia and refused to sell cheap resources to European countries.
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SIberia? O_0
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do you also remember that it was the Ukraine who lead the plane into the warzone?
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@Andos Elemas but Russia is no less a Western country than the Ukraine. Why the bloody sanctions?
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@Andos Elemas why, by these standards Poland or Hungary are hardly "western", and certainly the Ukraine is not. Why support one "non-western" country over another?
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@yoloswaggins7121 diving into historical analogies you guys keep forgetting some simple truths: 1. The year is not 1939. 2. Russia is not Nazi Germany. 3. The Ukraine is not Poland or Czechoslovakia. It is formed in 1991 out of nowhere with the SOLE purpose of undermining Russia's economic and military potential. 4. Putin is not Hitler. The latter, apart from his obvious evil traits, was a war veteran and a brave person. Putin is a coward. He would have never even thought about going to war unless it was absolutely inevitable. Which corroborates with the latest revelations by Western politicians that nobody in the West even thought about the Ukraine complying with Minsk treaties, they were but a red herring to give the Ukraine time to get ready for war. And that Western countries were getting ready for it long before 2022.
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@RaVNeFLoK oh, now I see at least some traces of long-term thinking in the reasoning Western people put into supporting the Ukraine. However, I did not see much outrage when the US attacked Iraq, Lybia, Syria, Afghanistan and so on. I guess that "all the animals are equal but some are more equal than others". The question still stands, however: do you really think any country would just yield its territory and people that was part of their core for centuries just because EU and NATO wants it? Do you think any self-respecting country would just accept the world order where they are given the place in the bottom of the hierarchy without any war and subsequent defeat? And while I am now trying to understand the long-term thinking some European supporters of the Ukraine put behind their stance, I am still at a loss with the moral high ground attitude. What makes you think it's "moral" to support the Ukraine?
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@RaVNeFLoK I'd also like to express my gratitude for your readiness for open discussion and my apologies for the somewhat confrontational opening remarks of my previous post. The thing is, often in arguments like this one I'm being labeled a "Kremlin troll" or (which is arguably worse) a person brainwashed by Kremlin trolls, by the time I begin writing my 2nd message. I would agree with you that there was some amount of public discouragement of the US invasions in the West, but does it stand anywhere close to what we are seeing now? Nobody sanctioned the US (and I'd wish to see anyone try, lol) or cancelled their membership in international organisations. That, coupled with the fact that the US invasions were FAR "more" unprovoked than the current war is, is where I see major hypocrisy of the Western elites. Having said that, I am glad you do not see us in "opposing teams" after all. Although you may see me using the term "West" often, I think it is lame and awkward, and I only use it due to the lack of language proficiency since I don't know how else to describe "first-world countries that share European cultural heritage but are not Russia". Culturally and historically Russia is as western as other European countries. That is also why we need to finally come to terms one day - neither Russia, the US, the EU, and other Western countries are not going anywhere, we are stuck with each other here. While your words about NATO never attacking Russia make sense, the question still stands: why provoke Russia by encircling it with NATO bases? Most western people can't even imagine how enthusiastic Russians were when the USSR collapsed. We thought we are finally welcome into the family of Western nations as an equal. Russia even made attempts to join NATO twice - both were shrugged and laughed off by Western decision makers. The realisation that we are treated as a defeated enemy and not an equal with the attitude of the West to the Chechen crisis and NATO's 1999 Serbia invasion (Serbia being one of the closest historical allies of Russia) among other things sobered up many of us. Speaking of EU-Russian energy deals, has Russia ever betrayed that trust? Have we ever pushed European powers into anything by using the resource leverage? Au contraire, Russia has been true to her word and supplied European powers with resources even after the war and all the sanctions began. Russia never attacked Germany or Denmark or any other EU or NATO country, so why all the fuzz? And since the idea of NATO attacking Russia seems preposterous (which it well may be). please tell me, does an idea of Russia attacking "Europe proper" not look like one? Has Russia ever unprovokedly and singe-handedly attack any European state? It goes double for the post-1991 Russia, whose elites solely dreamt of being treated as equals among European elites. Knowing all what we know now - that European and US leaders only singed the Minsk treaties for the sole purpose of giving the Ukraine time to get ready for war and have never even seen them as anything but a device of deceit for Russia, that the US were getting ready for the war long before 2022, that the Ukraine had been shelling civilian targets at Donbass full of ethnic Russians and Russian sympathisers for almost a decade prior to the beginning of the war, that Putin almost begged NATO to give Russia guarantees of security in the late 2021 (as usual, that was discarded and laughed off instantly) that indeed the Ukraine for Russia is not just a "neighbouring country", but that a good 3/4 of the former's territory is made of core Russian lands where Russians lived since early Middle Ages and that had been a part of Russia for centuries before becoming a separate country in 1991 - knowing all that, can you in all honesty say that the invasion was 100% unprovoked? Not trying to defend the very decision to start the war, do you think the policy of being deaf to the very attempts to bring up Russian national interests was a constructive one on the West's side? In the end, when nobody wants to hear what you are saying, is it that surprising that one day you'll think of more dramatic measures?
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You are right, my mate. There's only 1 way out of this war: to start respecting Russia as a major player on the international board with her own legitimate interests, not just shrug or laugh off any attempts of Russia protecting its interests as the West has been doing over the last 15 years or so. When you are constantly shut off trying to bring up the question of your interests, you see what finally happens.
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