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Marcus Aurelius Antoninus
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Comments by "Marcus Aurelius Antoninus" (@marcusaureliusantoninus2597) on "Why did the Soviet Union collapse?" video.
But it's not "the right question". Russia has much more power to make what it wants true (personally, I think that the entire propagandist idea that "Putin wants to bring the USSR back" is preposterous) than post-Soviet countries, so what Russia wants is much more important.
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@MrNevl but Russia does not threaten NATO Eastern European countries.
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@MrNevl first — they don’t “threaten every day”, so YOU stop lying. Second, EU countries are sending weapons that kill Russian soldiers and civilians, they are speaking about sending troops to Russia, so if there are any return threats, they are more than justified. Don’t threaten us, we will not threaten you.
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@MrNevl are you even reading what you are responding to? NATO countries are sending weapons and instructors to the Ukraine to kill Russian soldiers and civilians. Recently several NATO countries gave permission to use their weapons to attack the “old” Russian territory. What do you think Russian leadership should do, thank them? Give me an example of an unwarranted threat though where Russia did not react to a hostile action.
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@Sankara561 they were not homeless. And yes, aristocrats could live in luxury or otherwise, they did it on their own money, inherited or earned.
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@Vladimir.Bogdanenko they usually inherited wealth, received allowance for their civil or military service from the government, made profits off of their lands, later they would own businesses or receive interest from their investments.
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@Vladimir.Bogdanenko of course, how could we survive without leftist propaganda
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What people miss is not the USSR system per se, but Russian territories that were lost. You could change the system without splitting the country, especially along such clearly anti-Russian borders. But here Yeltsin is to blame, not Gorbachev.
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What foolishness. Who did the try to "Russify"^ Czechs, Slovaks, maybe Hungarians or Romanians? I can't see any traces of these attempts. What I see is all the attempts of the Soviet leadership to keep good relation with those "neighbours", even to the fault of the Soviet population itself. Even within the USSR Russians were considered 2nd class citizens as "former oppressors", and the efforts of so-called "korenization" ("rootification") were made to spread Ukrainian/Byelorussian/Kazakh languages in the areas where people spoke Russian. Even the later spread of the Russian language had nothing to do with "Russification", it was merely an instrument of the cosmopolitan Communist party to strengthen their control over the country.
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Dear "other countries", we don't care
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@bestopinion9257 Any global player would strive to keep as much countries under their control as possible, it's normal. Also, the "destructive hell" was not only in Russia, so your arguments that "it was because of Russians and no one else" does not hold water.
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But "imperialists" is what every state would strive to be if could. It's normal to be an "imperialist".
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@bestopinion9257 Oh my god, I didn't think that I would ever meet a person who still sees the world through the rose-tinted glasses of the "freedom vs dictators" discourse. Ok, they exist, noted. Have "people" ever decided on the foreign politics of the country? I wouldn't even mention that the majority of people have no idea what is better in foreign relations. That is, if you don't feed them the propaganda that will simplify their view of the world to a primitive "free vs forced" discourse. The Ukraine has nothing to do with "making allies". Its leadership never cared about what their people wanted, even less so since 2014. A good half of "their" people wanted to have good relations with Russia and speak Russian, but despite that the "revolutionary" powers in Kiev still tried to force them into the "one Reich country, one language, one political course (pro-NATO)" formula. You now see the outcome.
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@bestopinion9257 there’s no need to “justify” anything that’s been around for thousands of years. It’s just how humans are
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@bestopinion9257 Oh my god, I didn't think that I would ever meet a person who still sees the world through the rose-tinted glasses of the "freedom vs dictators" discourse. Ok, they exist, noted. Have "people" ever decided on the foreign politics of the country? I wouldn't even mention that the majority of people have no idea what is better in foreign relations. That is, if you don't feed them the propaganda that will simplify their view of the world to a primitive cold war "free countries vs dictatorships" discourse. The Ukraine has nothing to do with "making allies". Its leadership never cared about what their people wanted, even more so since 2014. A good half of "their" people wanted to have good relations with Russia and speak Russian, many of them were actual ethnic Russians, but despite that the revolutionary powers in Kiev still tried to force them into the "one Reich state, one language, one ethnicity" formula. You now see the outcome.
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@bestopinion9257 Oh my god, I didn't think that I would ever meet a person who still sees the world through the rose-tinted glasses of the "freedom vs dictators" discourse. Ok, they exist, noted. Have "people" ever decided on the foreign politics of the country? I wouldn't even mention that the majority of people have no idea what is better in foreign relations. That is, if you don't feed them the propaganda that will simplify their view of the world to a primitive cold war "free countries vs dictatorships" discourse.
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@bestopinion9257 The Ukraine has nothing to do with "making allies". Its leadership never cared about what their people wanted, even more so since 2014. A good half of "their" people wanted to have good relations with Russia and speak Russian, many of them were actual ethnic Russians, but despite that the revolutionary powers in Kiev still tried to force them into the "one Reich state, one language, one ethnicity" formula. You now see the outcome.
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@bestopinion9257 Oh my god, I didn't think that I would ever meet a person who still sees the world through the rose-tinted glasses of the "freedom vs dictators" discourse. Ok, they exist, noted. Have "people" ever decided on the foreign politics of the country? I wouldn't even mention that the majority of people have no idea what is better in foreign relations. That is, if you don't condition them into simplifying their view of the world to a primitive cold war era "free countries vs dictatorships" discourse.
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@bestopinion9257 so, am I talking to a Moldavian troll then?
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@bestopinion9257 wait, you just called me a troll because my ideas differ from yours. So you must a different type of a troll by your own logic
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the Ukraine was never a "satellite country", it was part of the USSR, and a very privileged part.
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But "freedom" (however we define it) does not me the splitting of a country into pieces. That's one of the reasons why many anticommunist Russian (such as myself) still lament the 1991. Nobody cares about the Soviet system (may it never return), but everyone cares about Russian territories split among the newly "independent" states most of which never existed before 1991.
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If anything, the USSR was "the Empire inside out" where the resources of the center were sucked by the periphery.
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Shinshocks555 Everyone ELSE? So you saying Russians did not experience those things in the USSR? How so?
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@Redfour5 communism was destined to fail, no doubts about that. What’s bad about it is the way it broke into parts. The fact Russia lost its territories it had for hundreds of years and that Russians to this very day consider a part of their patrimony. The fact Russians became a separated people that were turned into 2nd class citizens in many newly independent states. Which was a railway to the conflict we are having now, and all other post-Soviet conflicts.
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And yet Russia and Byelorussia were the only 2 "republics" of the USSR that were producing more than they were consuming.
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@yaynetwork1483 what "lazy greedheads" are you talking about?
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@YuriMazur887 nobody is saying it was good, nor is there any "mini-USSR". Au contraire, unlike all other "republics" these two were getting the short end of the Soviet stick.
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@ikuturso7570 what "conquests"? 99% of the territory of the USSR was already a part of Russia in 1917. The only exceptions are the extreme Western Ukraine, East Prussia, part of Sakhalin and Kuril islands.
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@bradleyroth9870 A "secular republic" in MIDDLE ASIA during a world war. Great! We all believe that it was a sound real country, not some failed state set up by romantics and political swindlers.
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@edfilchev5202 actually not true, Russian state TV does not idealise the USSR much. It tries to balance warm feelings for both the Russian Empire and the USSR, and as you might understand it's difficult to praise one without blaming the other.
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@double_latte What are you talking about?!! Annexed by the Russian Empire from WHOM?! "Independent Moldavia"? Of course you wouldn't mentioned how the Russian Empire gave Moldavia lands freed from the Ottoman occupation, would you?
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@ThisNicknameWasTakenYearsAgo definite not all or a vast majority of them. My granny (may she inherit Kingdom of Heaven) was born in 1930, and before her death in 2020 she hated commies and the USSR with passion. She was a pure ethnic Russian and came from a Kuban family that used to be well-off before 1917, but then they were stripped of pretty much everything they owned. Her father was sent to a work camp in Siberia and their big 2-storey house was seized from them. Instead, they were given a stuffy 3-bedroom flat in a Khruschevka for 8 persons.
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@Redfour5 though Russians suffered much more than other nations of the Warsaw pact
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I loved it how it began with facts about the USSR and ended with blatant racism against Russians. Although nobody said all (or the majority of) the people on the video were Russian.
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@TheRealBillBob this person just called a group of people non-humans because of their political alignment. It could hint at the fact he is either a troll or not exactly sane, don't you think?
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