Comments by "神州 Shenzhou" (@Shenzhou.) on "Willy OAM" channel.

@Raumweiter NATO has expanded into 15 countries, right up to Russia's doorstep, and NATO is certainly not a defensive organization (having been involved in wars in the Middle East). Also, the 2014 Crimea Referendum results revealed that an overwhelming majority (i.e 96.77%) voted to join the Russian Federation.
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@SwedeenXBL You said: "NATO is certainly a defensive organization" How is it defensive? NATO bombed Yugoslavia in 1999 and has been involved in the war in Afghanistan and Libya. If anything, this indicates that NATO is not a defensive organization, and has expanded into 15 countries right up to Russia's doorstep.
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@Raumweiter You said: "(Russia) supported military groups which even shot down a passenger airplane. Why exactly did this happen?" MH-17 was shot down over Ukrainian territory, how's that Russia's fault?
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@SwedeenXBL You said: "NATO hasn't expanded into 15 countries, countries have chosen to join NATO," So clearly those countries joining NATO indicate that NATO is expanding. You've just proven my point. Also, NATO was formed initially in response to rising Soviet military might, but after the USSR dissolution in 1991, NATO no longer serves any interests (except the U.S interests in maintaining its hegemony).
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@SwedeenXBL You said: "NATO now serves as a nuclear alliance, which Russia has now proven it's existance and why previous Soviet countries have joined NATO." How has Russia proven its existence? Russia has not launched any nukes against any other country, the only country to have done so is the United States of America. You said: "It's defensive for reasons I've already mentioned, once again do you actually have a reading disability?" What reasons have you given? I've stated that NATO is not a defensive organization, given its involvement in the bombing of Yugoslavia, and its involvement in Afghanistan War and Libyan War. You said: "I'm not gonna defend NATOs bombing of Yugoslavia just as little as i'm gonna defend USA in general, it's a disgrace on NATO." So NATO is clearly not a defensive organization, since NATO bombed Yugoslavia in 1999, yet why are you claiming that it is? You said: "The difference here is NATO isn't invading neighbouring countries to force them into NATO, which Russia is." Russia isn't trying to invade any country to force them into NATO, what are you talking about? In fact, Russia has repeatedly raised concerns over NATO's continued expansion into other countries. You said: "Yes, I'm well aware Ukraine uses Russian equipment but unfortunately for you the investigation concluded that the BUK in question came from the 53rd Anti-Aircraft Missile Brigade." The investigation's conclusion does not conclude that the BUK missile was fired by that specific brigade, only that it had possible origins from that brigade that's all. Just because a missile was traced back to a specific unit, does not mean that it was launched by said unit. In response, Russian President Vladimir Putin stated that Russia would analyse the JIT conclusion, but would acknowledge it only if it became party to the investigation. You said: "Would you allow the NATO countries involved and trust their investigation about civilian deaths during the Yugoslavian bombings? Didn't think so." Well, why was Ukraine allowed into the investigation into the shooting down of MH17, yet Russia wasn't invited? The shooting occurred near the Russian border, yet why wasn't Russia allowed to become party to the investigation?
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@SwedeenXBL You said: "the missile itself was a 9M38 fired from a BUK TELAR missile system in a field near the town of Pervomaiskiy. But I guess Ukraine went on a super secret mission into separtist controlled ground transporting a Russian BUK TELAR missile system completely unnoticed." The Ukraine Armed Forces themselves use Russian-made weapons, such as the BUK in their military. So how is the missile being of Russian origin indicate that Russia is the culprit? You said: "Investigations on the incident was made by Australia, Belgium, Malaysia, Ukraine and your own country, the Netherlands." The thing is, why wasn't Russia invited to participate in the investigations as well?
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@SwedeenXBL You said: "神州 Shenzhou Russia has proven NATOs existence by invading their neighbours time and time again and proving why Russias neighbours are applying for NATO." Are you going to ignore the fact that NATO bombed Yugoslavia (which was a neighbor of some NATO states) as well as NATO participating in the Afghan War and Libyan War? NATO is clearly not a defensive organization and it has expanded into 15 countries right up to Russia's doorstep.
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@SwedeenXBL You said: "Are you acting like you have a reading disability or do you actually have one?" You can't answer the question so you resort to hurling personal insults against me? You've made it clear that you "wouldn't count Hrabove as Ukrainian territory" then why can't you admit that you would consider Crimea as Russian territory?
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@SwedeenXBL You said: "I'm gonna say something about Crimea and Donbas, The Budapest Memorandum. That's all I need to say on that issue." The 2014 Crimean Referendum had revealed that an overwhelming majority (96.77%) of Crimeans voted to join the Russian Federation. You said: "Genocide? To this day there is 0 evidence that a genocide/ethnic cleansing was happening in the Donbas" United Nations figures have revealed that around 14 000 have been killed in Donbas since 2014. According to UN figures, from 2018 to 2021, 81.4% of civilian casualties in the Donbas war came in rebel-held territory. You said: "Oh and btw, this war would have been over, not even started, if Russia hadn’t started this war." This war wouldn't even have started had Ukraine agreed to remain neutral, and not applied to join expansionist NATO. Russia have been voicing concerns over NATO's expansion towards Russia's doorstep, but Russia's words have fallen on deaf ears in the West. That's why people like you don't even know Russia's concerns, and just seem to think Putin woke up one day and decided to go to war.
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@SwedeenXBL You said: "No clue, i'm speculating because I have no clue why they wanted to invade Georgia or Checnya so I wouldn't put it past them." Even a 2008 report by the European Union stated that Georgia started the war with Russia when it attacked Tskhinvali (in South Ossetia) with heavy artillery on the night of 7 to 8 August 2008.
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@Raumweiter You said: "I think that area is part of Russia now, am i right?" The 2014 Crimea Referendum voting results indicate that an overwhelming majority (96.77%) of Crimeans voted to join the Russian Federation, so isn't this the will of the majority of people living in Crimea?
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@SwedeenXBL You said: "神州 Shenzhou I wouldn't count Hrabove as Ukrainian territory while it was under control by Russian separtist groups" Does that mean you consider Crimea as Russian territory for those same reasons?
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@SwedeenXBL You said: "I've read that report why do you think I dropped Georgia and continued on the other points that were brought up?" So you read that report, and instead of acknowledging it, you continue to mock me as a "Chinese guy with a reading disability" and my English proficiency? You said: "I mentioned the claimed Donbas genocide and mass-graves which Russia has never given any proof of til this day." I pointed out that according to UN figures, from 2018 to 2021, 81.4% of civilian casualties in the Donbas war came in rebel-held territory, so how is Russia responsible for Ukraine's war in Donbas? You said: "like that has any relevancy to the original arguement of whether the missile was Russian or not." Again, it's because Ukraine Armed Forces also use Russian weapons, so even if you claim a BUK missile can be traced back to a certain brigade, it doesn't conclude that it was that brigade that fired it. The 53rd AA Brigade wasn't deployed in Hrabove for crying out loud.
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@SwedeenXBL You said: "Basically what you're saying is sovereign countries are not allowed to join and apply for NATO membership because Russia says so, okay." Because NATO is not a defensive organization, so shouldn't Russia reserves the right to object to countries joining a organization that threatens Russia's sovereignty?
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@marnixbrugmans4181 You said: "神州 Shenzhou so you cite UN figures in detail when it's percentages, but you leave out the fact that 14000 casualties is all casualties, of which the majority were soldiers?" The majority? Could you cite me what percentage of those 14 000 casualties were soldiers then? You said: "Oh, and you also forget to mention that the civilians deaths primarily occurred in those ares because that's where the majority of the combat was, there is no mention made of who caused them (ie which side in the conflict" I clearly mentioned that those civilian casualties (81.4% from 2018 - 2021) came from Donbas region, where the Ukraine Armed Forces were fighting the two now republics of Donetsk and Luhansk, so it's apparent from which side of the conflict those civilians were killed.
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@marnixbrugmans4181 You said: "神州 Shenzhou to the second point of your statement, I happen to know what source you used for those 81%. It's a good source." What about my first point? You said that the majority of casualties were soldiers, then why can't you cite me the percentage of the 14 000 casualties that were soldiers?
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@SwedeenXBL You said: "Marnix Brugmans answered your questions perfectly" Marnix Brugmans can't even cite the percentage of the 14 000 casualties that he says were majority soldiers, how's that answering my question? All I did was ask him where he got his claim that that majority of the 14 000 casualties were soldiers that's all. Whereas I pointed out that according to UN figures, from 2018 to 2021, 81.4% of civilian casualties in the Donbas war came in rebel-held territory. You said: "And the fact you've ran around to most likely 10 different arguements this whole discussion continiously changing the topic or flat out lying about the BUK investigation" How did I change the topic? My main topic is that NATO is not a defensive organization, and has expanded into 15 countries right up to Russia's doorstep, but you insist NATO is a defensive organization (without explaining why) and claiming NATO isn't expanding.
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@SwedeenXBL You said: "Because the American HIMARs brigades actually doesn't fire the HIMARs systems located in Ukraine lol." HIMARS actually requires targeting coordinates provided by American satellites in order to function, so as a matter of fact, the US is responsible for the HIMARS in Ukraine being able to acquire targets. You said: "Because with your logic the USA isn't involved in Ukraine, right?" I never said that, and my previous point shows that the U.S is responsible for HIMARS in Ukraine being able to acquire targets. Also, I find it astonishing that you accuse me of changing the topic, when you yourself go on tangents all the time. You said: "The fact that the AA missile system BELONGED to the 53rd Brigade proves that Russia either transferred or lended the 53rd Brigades AA missile system to separtist groups in the Donbas" There's a possibility that the AA missile system was stolen from the 53rd Brigade. Again, even Ukraine Armed Forces also use Russian weapons, and if you trace back every Ukraine weapons it had belonged to Russian at one point in its life. Additionally, how does the investigation have access to the 53rd AA Brigade? Russia has not reported that a Buk of the 53rd Brigade was deployed in Eastern Ukraine and that this Buk downed flight MH17. In response, Russian President Vladimir Putin stated that Russia would analyse the JIT conclusion, but would acknowledge it only if it became party to the investigation. But the JIT refused to allow Russia to participate in the investigation.
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@SwedeenXBL You said: "No, I find it tiresome you refer to certain reports and data because they align with you..." Does that give you reason to mock me as a "Chinese guy with a reading disability" as well as my English proficiency? You read that EU report and have been proven wrong, but instead of acknowledging it, you continue to insult me for correcting you. " but on the other hand completely ignore that investigations was done in Donbas" I already pointed out that according to UN figures, from 2018 to 2021, 81.4% of civilian casualties in the Donbas war came in rebel-held territory, so how is Russia responsible for Ukraine's war in Donbas?
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@marnixbrugmans4181 "神州 Shenzhou I already did, this is my second comment on your post." In your first comment, you said that 14000 casualties is all casualties, of which the majority were soldiers, but what is the percentage? 51%? 60%? 70%? I'm asking you how do you know that the majority of the casualties were soldiers? You said: "81% of those in the territory under separatist control. Not exactly genocide, is it?" How is it not genocide when civilians are being killed in regions under separatist control by the enemy? Ukraine also banned the Russian language in Donbas, isn't that a form of cultural genocide?
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@SwedeenXBL You said: "Are you acting like you have a reading disability or do you actually have one?" You can't answer the question so you resort to hurling personal insults against me? You've made it clear that you "wouldn't count Hrabove as Ukrainian territory" then why can't you admit that you would consider Crimea as Russian territory? You said: "Yes, you're correct NATO was also formed in response to Soviet military might." But today the Soviet Union is gone, after its dissolution in 1991, yet why is NATO allowed to remain? And to continue expanding into 15 countries, right up to Russia's border You said: "NATO now serves as a nuclear alliance, which Russia has now proven it's existance and why previous Soviet countries have joined NATO." How has Russia proven its existence? The only country to have launched a nuclear strike against another country is the United States of America back when they bombed Japanese cities Hiroshima and Nagasaki. You said: "It's defensive for reasons I've already mentioned, once again do you actually have a reading disability?" What reasons have you given? I've stated that NATO is not a defensive organization, given its involvement in the bombing of Yugoslavia, and its involvement in Afghanistan War and Libyan War. You said: "I'm not gonna defend NATOs bombing of Yugoslavia just as little as i'm gonna defend USA in general, it's a disgrace on NATO." In other words, you're proving my point that NATO is certainly not a defensive organization, yet why are you claiming its something that its not? You said: "The difference here is NATO isn't invading neighbouring countries to force them into NATO, which Russia is." Russia isn't trying to invade any country to force them into NATO, what are you talking about? Russia has stated many times that it wants Ukraine not to join NATO, so isn't this the opposite of what you are claiming?
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@SwedeenXBL You said: "Are you acting like you have a reading disability or do you actually have one?" You can't answer the question so you resort to hurling personal insults against me? You've made it clear that you "wouldn't count Hrabove as Ukrainian territory" then why can't you admit that you would consider Crimea as Russian territory? You said: "Yes, you're correct NATO was also formed in response to Soviet military might." But today the Soviet Union is gone, after its dissolution in 1991, yet why is NATO allowed to remain? And to continue expanding into 15 countries, right up to Russia's border.
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