Comments by "神州 Shenzhou" (@Shenzhou.) on "BBC News"
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Research has shown that Asians (including Chinese, Indians, Japanese, Koreans, SE Asians) are among the most intelligent and diligent peoples. Westerners tend to stereotype Asians as smart, hardworking, good at math, sciences, engineering, computing, etc. Stereotypical Asian professions include doctors, lawyer, engineer, computer programmer, and even the lowly professions tend towards being hardworking, like chefs, waiters, telemarketers, salesmen, etc. Its just stereotype I know, but there must be some truth to the stereotypes.
Today, China and India are the two most populous countries in the world, so statistically speaking, we should have the most brainpower and manpower of the world. Statistically, a larger population means higher percentage of "geniuses" to make plans for the future, and also a larger labor force to implement said plans. We just need to learn how to tap into our populations.
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@Nolan Shay Modern China was built by the sweat, blood, tears and sacrifice of the Chinese people and the government, to turn a dirt-poor, war-torn, starving country in the past, into an economic juggernaut today, a growing scientific and technological power, protected by world's largest land army, the People's Liberation Army, and China today has strong global presence as well as being influential player of world politics.
And it's all been achieved under the communist party leadership. So while the Chinese Communist Party clearly isn't god, it has performed something miraculous by through its transformation of China from dirt-poor country, into a growing superpower today.
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@thenutbrothers8726 Chinese food is delicious, and many people all over the world have professed their love of Chinese cuisine.
Want something flavorful? Try our Sweet & Sour Pork.
If you want something meaty, we have Peking Duck.
If you want something light, we have Dim Sum Dumplings.
If you're in a hurry, just grab convenient Baozi (Pork Bun) and eat it on the go.
If you like mild spicy, care to try our Kung Pao Chicken?
If you like very spicy, dare to try our Mapo Tofu?
If you are vegetarian, we have vegetarian Springrolls. And we are tofu heaven.
If you like rice, we have Fried Rice.
If you like noodles, we have Chow Mein.
If you like porridge, we have Congee.
If you like soups, we have Hotpot.
If you like seafood, well you're in luck, because Chinese love seafood too.
Even other countries have adapted Chinese food to suit their local palette.
America has Chinese food like General Tso's chicken, Chop Suey, Beef Brocolli, etc.
Japan has Chinese food like Ramen (拉麺), Mābō-dōfu (麻婆豆腐), Chashu (叉燒), etc.
Korea has Chinese food like Jajangmyeon (炸酱面) Jjamppong, Tangsuyuk (糖醋肉), etc.
Australia has Chinese food like Lemon Chicken, Chicken Stir-fried, Chow Sam See, etc.
Canada has Chinese food like Ginger Beef, Newfoundland Chow Mein, Thunder Bay bon bons, etc.
Philippines has Chinese food like Batchoy (肉脆), Hopia (好餅), Kiampong (鹹飯) etc.
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Wikipedia: Chinese Cuisine, American Chinese cuisine, Australian Chinese cuisine, Canadian-Chinese cuisine, Filipino Chinese cuisine, Japanese Chinese cuisine, Korean Chinese cuisine,
So many people love Chinese food both authentic or modified to suit their tastes, so what's wrong with Chinese food then? I heard that in America for example, there are more Chinese restaurants in United States, that there are Western fast-food restaurants like McDonald's, Wendy's, Kentucky Fried Chicken, etc all combined.
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China today is currently at peace and not at war with any country. Instead of making war, China is building infrastructure like roads, railways, highways, bridges, tunnels, powerstations, dams, ports, airports, etc, in developing countries like Pakistan, Sri Lanka, Nepal, Bangladesh, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Tajikistan as well as African countries like Nigeria, Kenya, Chad, Sudan, Mozambique, Tanzania, etc.
Whereas the United States is warmonger, being involved in Gulf War, Iraq War, Afghan War, Libyan War, Syrian War, etc, even in the 21st century. The US is enacting regime change by bombing those countries and cutting off their "heads" (Saddam Hussein, Muammar Gaddafi, etc) and then installing their own US puppet governments in place. Now it appears Assad of Syria and Maduro of Venezuela are next on this list.
Just look at Iraqi Body Count Project to see how many Muslims America has eradicated.
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+James Russel "China, on the otherhand, is forced to rely on other allies, specifically ones that the IMF wouldn't lend money to on account of human rights violations, something China has no qualms about."
Why can't China lend money to countries irregardless of their human rights violations? Such countries tend to be poor, war-torn, starving and plagued by unstable governments and civil unrest. How do you expect these countries to maintain a Western standard of human rights? Who do the Westerners think they are to judge other countries by their standards?
China does not judge countries on their "human rights violations" and the government is willing to do business and build infrastructure in those countries, so that locals can find jobs and employment, to buy food to feed their families, all towards developing a stable country and China is helping build infrastructure in Pakistan, Sri Lanka, Nepal, Bangladesh, Maldives, and some African countries like Nigeria, Kenya, Angola, etc.
Otherwise, how else do you expect these countries to ever develop? When your Western banks won't lend them the necessary capital for development?
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China is currently at peace, and not at war with any country, since our last major war in 1979. China is helping drive the world economy, and building infrastructure in less developed nations like Pakistan, Sri Lanka, Nepal, Bangladesh, Maldives and also African countries like Nigeria, Kenya, etc.
But USA is warmonger involved in Iraq War, Afghan War, Libyan War, etc, even in 21st century. US strategy is to cut off those countries heads (Muammar Gaddafi, Saddam Hussein, etc) and then install their own US puppet governments in place. Even now, President Trump is eyeing Syria and the Assad Regime is next on the list.
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@bobbuilder7952 Modern China was built by the sweat, blood, tears and sacrifice of Chinese people and the government to turn China from a once dirt-poor, war-torn, starving country, into an economic juggernaut today, the world's factory (Made in China) a growing scientific and technological power, protected by world's largest land army, the People's Liberation Army, and China today has strong global presence, and influential player of world politics.
And its all achieved under Chinese Communist Party leadership, so why should China adopt Western democracy then? Because Westerners says so?
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Western society was built on the backs of African slavery, causing genocide of Native Americans and Australian Aboriginals, occupation of their lands, and plundering of resources like gold. Western sciences, mathematics, astronomy, all had their roots in Asia, such as India, and inventions like crossbows and gunpowder actually came from China. Not just weapons alone, but Chinese luxury goods like silk, tea, paper, porcelain (precious china) also came through to the West from the East.
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@Jack Singapore has been ruled by authoritarian single-party PAP, for its entire life as a nation! For over 50 years, the PAP ruled Singapore with iron fist, and Lee Kuan Yew (Singapore's founder) jailed and exiled many of his political dissidents. But under authoritarian PAP rule, Singapore grew from a sleepy fishing village nation, into an world class country surpassing many of its neighboring countries (Malaysia, Indonesia, Thailand, etc) It's because 50 years of PAP rule, enabled Singapore's leaders to make long-term plans for Singapore.
Likewise, China has been ruled by authoritarian single-party CCP for 70 years, and that's why China is rising economic power today. Don't you see the similarities?
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@chaospilot2142 So because I point out Islam harmful effects, means I am rassist? Do you have to be so politically correct all the time? Look at the West and its being overrun with political correctness and Westerners are literally bending over backwards to accommodate Muslims. Refugees are fleeing their conflicted Islamic countries and settling in predominantly Christian Western countries like USA and EU and are under little pressure to adapt to their new environment, much to the dismay of Americans and Europeans.
For example, Muslims men may take on multiple wives, and Muslim women continue to wear Islamic head veil in public, and secretly, many Westerners are angry about it, but they are afraid to voice their true opinions for fear of being labelled as racists (or as you spelt, rassist) or Islamophobes (fear of Islam) because political correctness culture is preventing the West from being honest. The Muslims take Westerners silence as acceptance of their cultures, and continue to spread Islam.
Furthermore, non-Muslims must convert to Islam if they marry a Muslim, while being Christian is a matter of choice. Caucasian Christian families are growing smaller too, because of low birth rates and higher divorce rates, while Muslims are bringing their huge families (especially if they have 4 wives) to Western countries and spreading Islam throughout the West.
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+M Halvaresh China only sold small arms to Sudan that's all, we did not hire any Islamic militants. China observes a policy of non-interference in other countries internal affairs, and we will sell arms to anyone who wants to buy them, and also offer to build infrastructure in their countries. In many African countries China is helping build infrastructure like roads, railways, highways, schools, hospitals, hotels, football stadiums, shopping centers, powerstations, dams and telecommunication projects. China has done much to develop Africa in decades, compared to what Westerners been doing in Africa for centuries.
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@eltyjamessmith3482 China today is currently at peace and not at war with any country. Instead of making war, China is building infrastructure like roads, railways, highways, bridges, tunnels, powerstations, dams, ports, airports, etc, in developing countries like Pakistan, Sri Lanka, Nepal, Bangladesh, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Tajikistan as well as African countries like Nigeria, Kenya, Chad, Sudan,
Whereas the United States is warmonger, being involved in Gulf War, Iraq War, Afghan War, Libyan War, Syrian War, etc, even in the 21st century. The US is enacting regime change by bombing those countries and cutting off their "heads" (Saddam Hussein, Muammar Gaddafi, etc) and then installing their own US puppet governments in place. Now it appears Assad of Syria and Maduro of Venezuela are next on this list.
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@MoejiiOsmanTV About Chinese students studying overseas, China is world's most populous country and its possible that not enough resources, not enough schools, not enough jobs for everyone in China. With such high student population, competition for top schools and higher education in China is fierce and intense. Some students don't qualify for local university, so they may choose to study abroad (especially if their parents have $$$). Some graduates unable to find job in China, so they may seek employment opportunities outside of China.
That's why Western schools are positively flooded with Chinese international students, competing with your local students in tests, exams, for university places, and even job offers when they graduate. If they can't find a job in your country, they are always welcome to come back to China (thus saving China the resources needed to train this student to university level) and bringing foreign knowledge and technology to China.
If they find a job and remain in your country, then they are depriving a local graduate of a job. If they rise to high position in corporate or government sector, they may get approached by CCP and possibly recruited as a spy in your country.
Whichever way you look at it, China wins.
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@anonsaccount1562 China today is currently at peace at not at war with any country, since our last major conflict in 1979. Instead of making war, China is investing in developing countries like Sri Lanka, Nepal, Bangladesh, Pakistan, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Tajikistan, and also African countries like Nigeria, Kenya, Chad, Sudan, Ghana, Mozambique, Zimbabwe, etc. Nobody is pointing a gun at those countries and forcing them to do business with China if they don't want to.
Whereas the United States is warmonger, being involved in Gulf War, Iraq War, Afghan War, Libyan War, Syrian War, etc, even in the 21st century. The US is enacting regime change by cutting off those country's "heads" (Saddam Hussein, Muammar Gaddafi, etc) and then installing their own US puppet governments in place. Now, Assad of Syria and Maduro of Venezuela are at risk and President Trump narrowly avoided starting a fresh war with Iran too.
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@woa2193 How is China a threat to democracy? China is currently at peace and not at war with any country, since our last major conflict in 1979. Instead of making war, China is building infrastructure like roads, railways, highways, bridges, tunnels, powerstations, dams, ports, airports, etc and investing in developing countries like Sri Lanka, Nepal, Bangladesh, Pakistan, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Tajikistan, and also African countries like Nigeria, Kenya, Chad, Sudan, Ghana, Mozambique, Tanzania, etc.
Whereas the United States is warmonger being involved in Gulf War, Iraq War, Afghan War, Libyan War, Syrian War, Yemen War, etc, even in the 21st century. USA is bombing in those Middle Eastern countries and enacting regime change by cutting off their "heads" (Saddam Hussein, Muammar Gaddafi, etc) and then installing their own US puppet governments in place.
If anything, it looks like the United States is the real threat to global peace and stability here.
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@rsdch China is currently at peace and not at war with any country, since our last major conflict in 1979. Instead of making war, China is building infrastructure like roads, railways, highways, bridges, tunnels, powerstations, dams, ports, airports, etc and investing in developing countries like Sri Lanka, Nepal, Bangladesh, Pakistan, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Tajikistan, and also African countries like Nigeria, Kenya, Chad, Sudan, Ghana, Mozambique, Tanzania, etc.
Whereas the United States is warmonger being involved in Gulf War, Iraq War, Afghan War, Libyan War, Syrian War, Yemen War, etc, even in the 21st century. USA is bombing in those Middle Eastern countries and enacting regime change by cutting off their "heads" (Saddam Hussein, Muammar Gaddafi, etc) and then installing their own US puppet governments in place.
If anything, it sounds like the United States is the real threat to global peace and stability.
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@eltyjamessmith3482 So because of a border dispute with India, China is somehow wrong? China has settled boundary dispute approximately of 20,000 km with 12 countries out of the 22,000 km and is yet to settle about 2,000 km of boundary involving India and Bhutan.
-In 1961, Nepal and China signed border agreement.
-In 1962, Mongolia and China signed border agreement.
-In 1963, Afghanistan and China signed border agreement.
-In 1963, Pakistan and China signed border agreement.
-In 1991, USSR and China signed Sino-Soviet border agreement.
-In 1992, Laos and China signed border agreement.
-In 1994, Kazakhstan and China signed border agreement.
-In 2011, Tajikistan ratified a 1999 deal with China.
We solved our border disputes with literally all our land neighbors, only Bhutan and India remain. China has 21 talks with Bhutan and 19 talks with India, but still fail to settle our countries borders. Who's fault is it?
Regarding Taiwan, the Nationalist Kuomintang lost the mainland to communists and had flee to Formosa (Taiwan). During the Chinese Civil War, the communists were mostly poorly trained peasants, their weapons were crappy, and they had far fewer numbers (only 50 communist members in 1921) over the KMT. The KMT on the other hand, had massive wealth (they taxed the peasants heavily) they had superior weapons, better training and superior numbers over the communists.
Yet despite all these advantages, the KMT still lost the mainland to communists and had to flee to Taiwan? This demonstrates KMT's sheer incompetence in their right to rule the mainland.
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@vibemunster India, Pakistan and Bangladesh were once part of British India, so aren't they clearly British colonies? And why India willingly gave up its own territory to allow Britain to partition its country into two sovereign countries? India even supported Bangladesh independence from East Pakistan, resulting in increased suspicion from Pakistan and also the creation of another independence country, Bangladesh.
Each division only weakens the once powerful unified country, and India and Pakistan have been fighting each other for decades, and all the while the British are secretly laughing at what they done to the once unified British India. That's why China fight desperately to hold on to our territories in Tibet, Xinjiang, Hong Kong, etc, because we don't want to end up like India and Pakistan, brother states that oppose each other.
And British colonies in Africa aren't doing well either, so again, how is this proof that Britain put Hong Kong and Singapore on the international level, when it failed to do the same to its other colonies?
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@MrPakurfulo Studies have shown that Chinese people (also other Asians like Japanese, Koreans) are among the most intelligent and diligent peoples with long histories and rich cultures. Asian people often typically stereotyped as smart, industrious, studious, thrifty, good at math, good at science, good at programming, having a good head for business and finances. Stereotypical Asian blue-collar jobs often have an element of hard work to them, and include railroad construction workers, labourers (coolies), farmers, grocery stall owner, rickshaw drivers, chefs (of Chinese restaurants), dry cleaners, laundromat workers, nail salon workers, massage parlour workers, and so on. Poor Asian parents are usually thrifty and painstakingly save up money to send our kids to school. Asian kids study hard for exams and don't fool around through partying and drinking and when they graduate, they often take on white-collar jobs like doctors, lawyers, dentists, bankers, scientists, researchers, programmers, businessmen, and so on.
Of course, these are all just stereotypes and not every Chinese person is like that. But the fact that these stereotypes exist suggests that there must be an element of truth to these stereotypes.
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@Danish Khan Over 70 years ago, nobody ever thought "communist" China would ever succeed, or that China would ever play a prominent role in today's history. When the Soviet Union collapsed in 1990s, everyone expected China would soon follow. But China has consistently defied all expectations of imminent failure, and succeeded long after the USSR dissolution. The Chinese Communist Party is not perfect (then again, which government body is?) but despite its initial failures and setbacks, under its leadership, China's population doubled, our lifespans doubled, our literacy rates doubled and our poverty rates plummeted.
This graph shows life-expectencies across China, India, Europe and USA.
Life Expectancy at Birth in China, Europe, USA and India china-profile.com/data/fig_WPP2010_L0_Boths.htm
China was once dirt-poor, war-torn, starving country, similar to India (world's largest democracy) in the past, but today, China has since transformed into world's 2nd largest economy, the world's factory (Made in China), the world's 3rd largest arms exporter, having world's 2nd highest R&D spending, protected by world's largest land army, the People's Liberation Army and funded by world's 2nd highest military expenditure. And China today has strong global presence as well being influential player of world politics.
And its all achieved under the CCP leadership, despite decades of Westerners fully expecting China to fail, China has continually succeeded, so why continue to believe those biased Westerners views about China?
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+Xentradi97 About China's one-party system, at least with such a system the party can remain in power and concentrate on making long-term plans for China. The CCP has made many 5-year plans, 10-year plans, 15-year plans, 20-year plans to map out China's future in 2020, 2030, 2040, 2050, etc and to set specific goals to achieve by then. Furthermore, CCP abolished the presidential term limit, so that the president can remain in power to see his plans to fruition.
But in US two-party systems, the two parties constant fight one another instead of for America's future, and each side blames the other for all of America's woes. The US president can only make short-term plans, because after 4-8 years, he will be forced to step down after his presidential term ends. Making long-term plans spanning 10 or more years is simply impossible for USA.
Where do you imagine USA will be in 10 years time? How about 20 years into the future? You can't tell, because US presidents will have to step down and hand the reins to the next US president. What if the next US president starts cancelling/reversing the previous president's reforms?
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@jayshon1348 Why are you comparing China to Nazis? China today is currently at peace and not at war with any country, since our last major conflict in 1979. Instead of making war, China is investing in developing countries like Sri Lanka, Bangladesh, Nepal, Pakistan, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Tajikistan, and also African countries like Chad, Sudan, Nigeria, Kenya, Mozambique, Zimbabwe, Ghana, etc.
Whereas the United States is warmonger, being involved in Gulf War, Iraq War, Afghan War, Syrian War, Libyan War, etc, even in the 21st century. The USA is bombing those countries (Iraq Body Count Project reported some 200,000 Iraqi civilian casualties) and enacting regime change by cutting off those country's "heads" (Saddam Hussein, Muammar Gaddafi, etc) and then installing their own US puppet governments in place. Trump just narrowly avoided starting a fresh war with Iran.
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@anonsaccount1562 Tibetans and Chinese share a common ancestral language, which is grouped under Sino-Tibetan languages. And China today has over 50 ethnic groups including Han, Mongols, Tibetans, Uighurs, Manchu, and even some Koreans (in Northeastern China) but they are clearly all Chinese citizens isn't it? Just like the United States has Caucasian Americans (white), African Americans (black), Latin Americans (brown), Asian Americans (yellow) and Native Americans (red), yet they are all American citizens.
So aren't the 50 over ethnic groups of China considered Chinese as well?
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@auroragb In the past, Hong Kong was once a prosperous and thriving port city, while the mainland was still dirt-poor at that time. Today however, times have changed and Hong Kong has since fallen behind other rising mainland port cities like Shanghai, Shenzhen, Guangzhou, Ningbo-Zhousan and is facing increasing competition from upcoming mainland cities like Qingdao, Tianjin, Xiamen, Dalian, etc. No wonder why the Hong Kong people feel like they're being left behind.
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List of busiest container ports wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_busiest_container_ports
List of busiest ports by cargo tonnage wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_busiest_ports_by_cargo_tonnage
Mainland port cities like Shanghai, Shenzhen, Guangzhou, etc, are actually prospering under authoritarian CCP rule, similar to Hong Kong prospering under authoritarian British Colonial Rule. Only when democracy is introduced to Hong Kong, did its economy began to slump and protests start appearing in the city.
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@auroragb The Chinese Communist Party is not perfect (then again, which government body is?) but despite its initial failures and setbacks, under its leadership, China's population doubled, our lifespans doubled, our literacy rates doubled and our poverty rates plummeted. The graph below shows life-expectencies across China, India, Europe and USA.
Source: Life Expectancy at Birth in China, Europe, USA and India china-profile.com/data/fig_WPP2010_L0_Boths.htm
China was once dirt-poor, war-torn, starving country, similar to India (world's largest democracy) in the past, but today, China has since transformed into economic powerhouse, the world's factory (Made in China), a growing scientific and technological power, protected by world's largest land army, the People's Liberation Army.
And it's all been achieved under CCP leadership, despite what Western anti-communist propaganda been denouncing all along.
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@auroragb And Taiwan had been under authoritarian single-party Kuomintang rule for more than half its life! For decades, the KMT ruled Taiwan with an iron fist and KMT leader Chiang kai-shek was a dictator who jailed and executed many dissidents and political rivals (whether real or perceived) in a period known as White Terror (白色恐怖) and he imposed Martial Law on Taiwan for more than 38 years, which was qualified as "the longest imposition of martial law by a regime anywhere in the world" at that time.
But under authoritarian single-party KMT rule, Taiwan flourished and prospered in what's known as Taiwan Miracle (台湾奇迹) Between 1952-1982, Taiwan's economic growth was on average 8.7%, and between 1983-1986 at 6.9%. Taiwan's GDP grew by 360% between 1965-1986 and the percentage of global exports was over 2% in 1986, over other recently industrialized countries, and the global industrial production output grew a further 680% between 1965-1986. All this occurred under authoritarian single party KMT rule of Taiwan.
Source: Wikipedia: Taiwan Miracle
Only when democracy was introduced in 1990s (because USA threatened to cut off sales of weapons to Taiwan if KMT did not introduce political reforms) did Taiwan's economic growth became more modest. Today, Taiwan's economy is in a slump, wages are stagnant, cost of living is rising, and Taiwan graduates are seeking job opportunities in the mainland or in Singapore. So isn't this a proof that Taiwan actually prospered under authoritarian KMT rule and suffered under democracy? Why fix something that wasn't broken? Because Westerners say so?
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@auroragb Literacy rate being equated with competence only applies to democracies, because like you said, it is the ordinary people that vote in their leaders, so why do you want illiterate people participating in political elections that will affect your country's future? Or those undesirable peoples like beggars, drug addicts, drunkards, deadbeats, dissidents, and so on? What makes you think the lower rung of society will be able to make important decisions regarding the country's future?
India's illiteracy rate is because of its massive population. In the past, China was once like India, a dirt-poor country with enormous population, suffering from high birth rates, high child malnutrition, high child mortality, high illiteracy rates and other population problems. Why allow families to raise multiple kids, only for them to starve to death, to succumb to diseases in childhood because of not enough food, not enough hospitals and not enough schools to send them to?
Instead, why not focus all available resources into raising a single, healthy kid into adulthood and get him into a good school? That's why China introduced the One-Child Policy and according to World Bank, China's poverty rate fell from 88% in 1981 to a mere 0.7% in 2015. According to UNESCO, adult literacy rate of China increased from 65.5% in 1982 to a whopping 96.4% in 2015 growing at an average annual rate of 10.39%. This is impressive feat considering that China is world's most populous country, yet attaining 0.7% poverty and 96.4% literacy.
Source: Wikipedia: Poverty in China
Look at India today and its suffering from population problems like high birth rate, high child malnutrition, high child mortality, low literacy, etc, which were problems that China once suffered from. So why do you still think China should be democracy then? We've been successful following authoritarian rule unlike India and just having 96.4% literacy rate is not a reason to suddenly change to democracy.
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@auroragb Exactly, democracy is inefficient like you say. Why let the whole population rule, when a small number will suffice in the government? And once again, my question never said "dissolve people" you came up with the ridiculous notion yourself here because you can't admit that your countries need governments to function. Why not let the people who know how to govern, govern like I said?
History has proven that much of human civilization follows some sort of authoritarian or oligarchic political systems. Political power was not concentrated in the hands of many, instead it was concentrated in the hands of the few elites, such as the nobles (aristocracy), or priests (theocracy) or kings and emperors (monarchy) Such authoritarian/oligarchic systems were prevalent because they were stable, and simply because they worked. The elites were often well educated and politically savvy, often capable of making political decisions, whereas the ignorant masses were kept well away from politics.
Whereas frankly speaking, democracy has a long history of failure. Proto-democracies like Athenian democracy failed, Spartan democracy failed, and even Republic of Rome eventually failed. In the ancient world, Democracy was never in fact, popular outside of Greece at all, and after Rome fell, many of the individual states began to assume authoritarian rule under monarchy once again.
Modern Western democracy is different but it only has 100-200 years of history to its name, so that's certainly not a guarantee for it to be successful in future. Why then should China adopt Western democracy, simply because Westerners think it is the best political system?
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@auroragb I never said China invented those things. But ancient Chinese had the Four Great Inventions (四大发明) which have greatly influenced history in their respective areas. Paper and Printing made the transcribing and transmission of knowledge and information easier and cheaper. The Compass made navigation easier and dangerous journeys more safer and reliable. And Gunpowder has completely revolutionized the way modern wars are fought.
China has 5000 years of history and is among the world's oldest "continuous" civilization still alive today, whereas other great ancient civilizations like Mesopotamia, Rome and Egypt have since succumbed to history. Ancient Chinese nobility wore luxurious silk clothing since 4th millennium BCE, while the rest of the world wore mostly loincloths and "bedsheets" called togas.
Silk was much prized by rest of the world, so much that a lucrative trade route had been set up and named in honor of the precious material. Along the Silk Road, flowed Chinese luxury goods like silk, tea, paper, gunpowder, porcelain (precious china), etc, that were in high demand by the rest of the ancient world.
Why then, should we Chinese consider ourselves inferior to Westerners? The Westerners mocked Chinese history and made Chinese out to be backward and barbaric in comparison to theirs. We need to stop worshiping the Westerners and start charting our own path to success, instead of Westerners telling Chinese what to do.
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@auroragb Democracy IS inefficient like it or not. You need to spend money to host election campaigns, allocate resources and manpower for ballot boxes and count and tabulate results, just to decide which leader is most popular that's all. How is this good for the country? Some of your elected leaders even lack political experience (like President Trump for example) so why waste all that money just to get an incompetent person in power you tell me?
Whereas in China, only the top elites (the Communist Party members) are voting in elections, which saves China plenty of money and resources in hosting democratic elections in the world's most populous country. If you want to participate in politics then you must join the communist party (not easy feat, you have to be top 5% in your field) and slowly work your way up to a high-ranking position, by garnering votes from other politically savvy communist party members.
It's not a perfect system and it is tedious process, but it has produced politically experienced leaders such as President Xi Jinping, who has at least 30-40 years of political experience, so that's why most Chinese people believe he is competent enough to rule China. I mean, you are governing a country of 1.4 billion people (300 million for USA) so obviously, we only want the best and most competent to rule. Why the Americans allow Trump, someone with zero political experience prior, to become president and lead their country?
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@auroragb Primitive? If it's stupid but works (as it did for over 1000s of years) then in my opinion, it isn't stupid. Look at all those numerous authoritarian and oligarchic empires, for example, Achaemenid Empire, Akkadian Empire, Armenian Empire, Assyrian Empire, Aztec Empire, Babylonian Empire, Bruneian Empire, Egyptian Empire, Chinese Empire, Japanese Empire, Inca Empire, Khmer Empire, Korean Empire, Kushan Empire and like I said, authoritarian regimes are popular simply because they served as the most efficient form of political government, they were stable, and simply because they worked!
Democracy was never popular outside of Greece in the ancient world, for the reasons I illustrated earlier and you claim democracies that fall are almost always conquered? Which country conquered the Republic of Rome? Or did Rome fell because democracy tore the country apart from within, as the individual states began no longer recognizing themselves as part of Rome?
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@RaginYak I mean, why don't you tell the Americans to give up their claims to Hawaii? Hawaii is out there in the Pacific Ocean, so far away from the American mainland, yet they are part of America? Or why don't you tell all non-Native Americans and Canadians to get out of America and leave the lands to the Native Americans? The Europeans colonised Americas 600 years ago, but Tibet had been part of China since 800 years ago when the Mongols conquered Kingdom of Thibet and Song Dynasty China and incorporated those territory into Yuan Dynasty China.
You just don't want to admit that Tibet was historically part of China longer than the European colonisation of America, and even today, Tibet is regarded as part of China by world leaders all over the world. US, India, Britain all betrayed Tibet? Who do you think you are? If you protest Tibet then why don't you go set yourself on fire like those self-immolating Tibetans? Just a mere 148 Tibetan self-immolated, means the entire 3 million population of Tibet must bow down to their demands?
Go film yourself "self-immolating" and post it on YouTube, some you "care" so much about Tibet.
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@annomaly751 Look at the West, and they just bend over backward to accommodate Muslim immigrants. Muslim refugees are fleeing their conflict ridden Islamic countries and flooding the Western countries like United States, United Kingdom, France, Germany, etc, and the Muslims are under little pressure to adapt to their predominantly Christian host countries, much to the chagrin of Westerners.
For example, instead of adopting their host country's cultures, Muslims immigrants continue their traditional culture like Muslim men marrying multiple wives, or Muslim women wearing Muslim headveil out in public, and secretly, many Westerners are (understandably) angry that Muslims are not assimilating, but can't voice their honest opinions for fear of being labelled "racist" (even though Islam is not a race) or "Islamophobe." The Muslims take Westener's silence as acceptance of their ways.
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@vibemunster "神州 Shenzhou I already stated why Africa has failed,"
Where? All you said was "As for Africa, the people speak for themselves." that's all. As for India, you have shown that because of religion, a once unified country can fall apart because of religion, so why can't Chinese government control of religion to prevent that from happening? If you don't control religion, then religion will start to control your country.
"the estimated 45 million Mao murdered."
It was during Chinese Civil War, so of course Chinese were killing Chinese. Just like in American Civil War, Americans were killing Americans, or Vietnamese killing Vietnamese in Vietnam War. Or Koreans in Korean War, or any civil war for that matter. And Mao Zedong managed to unify China (which the previous Kuomintang government failed under Republic of China) under communism and proclaimed the People's Republic of China back in 1949. So if not for Mao, China today would still be a divided country country fighting among ourselves, (like India and Pakistan), instead of the strong unified country we are today.
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@thenutbrothers8726 China publishes more scientific and technical journals in physics, biology, chemistry, mathematics, clinical medicine, biomedical research, engineering and technology, and earth and space sciences, than even the United States. Source: wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_number_of_scientific_and_technical_journal_articles
In 2016:
1. China (426,165 articles)
2. United States (408,985 articles)
3. India (110,320 articles)
4. Germany (103,122 articles)
5. United Kingdom (97,527 articles)
6. Japan (96,536 articles)
This implies that a growing number of discoveries are being made and published in Chinese-language papers, and Chinese researchers have access to Western research papers, but Chinese research papers might prove difficult for Western researchers due to the language barrier.
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@meeveebee Hey, my stance is that forced conscription is necessary for Singapore, and like I said, you don't get to see your families everyday only once a week (On the weekends like you said) so how is this different from Uighurs re-education, where they are also allowed to see their families once a week? And conscripted Singapore males have to live in boarding rooms similar to the ones featured here, so again, wheres the difference you are claiming?
And Singapore government is clearly authoritarian, and Singapore people have been "brainwashed" to vote for PAP every time at elections. For example, since a young age, many Singapore children at school sing nationalistic songs promoting Singapore propaganda, especially during Singapore's founding day, and Singapore conscripted males also train to become patriotic to the country in the miltiary. So how is this different from teaching Uighurs to be patriotic to China?
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@meeveebee According According to Human Rights Watch: Singapore (check previous source)
Singapore’s political environment is stifling. Citizens face severe restrictions on their basic rights to freedom of expression, association, and peaceful assembly through overly broad criminal laws and regulations. In 2017, the country tightened the already strict limits on public assemblies contained in the Public Order Act, which requires police permits for any “cause-related” assembly outside the closely monitored “Speakers’ Corner.”
Also, Singapore Activist Seelan Palay was arrested after presenting a performance on Sunday afternoon at Hong Lim Park, “32 Years: The Interrogation of a Mirror” in commemoration of the 32 years of detention without trial that former Elected Member of Parliament, Chia Thye Poh went through. During the ten minute performance, Seelan who turns 32 this year, said he couldn’t fathom how a person could be locked up without trial for the same number of years that he has lived.
Source: Activist arrested by Police outside of Parliament House after standing alone with artpiece theonlinecitizen.com/2017/10/01/activist-arrested-by-police-outside-of-parliament-house-after-standing-alone-with-artpiece/
Are you sure you are really from Singapore? Because all my sources point to Singapore clearly being under authoritarian government, governing Singapore for 50 years, just like CCP governed People's Republic of China for 70 years
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@akif5638 By reciting your pledge, you are literally showing that you have been brainwashed by Singapore nationalistic propaganda. Forced conscription is a great way to make young men more patriotic to the country, so why can't China teach Uighurs to be more patriotic to China through re-education? China's Islamic education is the same as Singapore's Islamic education, we remove all the extremist elements from the student's thoughts.
In Singapore, you can practice Islam and only condition is that you are respectful to people with other beliefs than yours. Likewise, China allows Muslims do any Islam things except things against the nation or the party and the Government respects Muslim tradition and custom as long as they obey the law and order.
As for Singapore building a" democratic society" your country has been literally ruled by authoritarian single party PAP for its entire life already. How is that democratic? Did you know that in Democratic People's Republic of Korea, the population also gets to vote for Kim Jong Um to lead them?
You think Singapore does not have dark history of its own? There are so many examples of Singapore dissidents being arrested, and Singapore news will of course paint them as "the enemies" in your country. The part about Amos Lee offending Christians was just a "cover" by Singapore media to punish him for his political views, and you just believe it like that? Even US Asylum court made the following assertion for his asylum:
“The evidence presented at the hearing demonstrates that Singapore’s prosecution of Yee was a pretext to silence his political opinions critical of the Singapore government. His prosecution, detention and general maltreatment at the hands of the Singapore authorities demonstrates persecution on account of Yee’s political opinions. Yee is a young political dissident and his application for asylum is granted.” – The Honourable Samuel Cole, immigration judge.
Source: A Singapore opposition politician’s experience of dissident Amos Yee’s US asylum hearing hongkongfp.com/2017/03/27/singapore-opposition-politicians-experience-dissident-amos-yees-us-asylum-hearing/
So are you really from Singapore when you don't even know how your country deals with political dissidents? And while you personally enjoyed forced conscription in your country, I have earlier cited a source about Singapore males who compare forced conscription to slavery.
And Singapore is of course not China (just like China is not Singapore) but clearly, our countries share similar views with regard to authoritarian single-party rule, as well as crushing political dissidents. But you are the one pretending like Singapore is somehow better, when your political system is similar to ours.
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@JohnBobb "It was hoped (and i did too) that you would find your way into a democracy (like HK and Taiwan)"
Explain, why should China adopt Western democracy? Hong Kong had been ruled by authoritarian British colonial rule and it was successful, right up to democracy was introduced after Hong Kong handover to mainland China, then Hong Kong started suffering all the protests and its economy stagnated.
And Taiwan had been under authoritarian single-party Kuomintang rule for more than half its life! The KMT ruled Taiwan with iron fist, and KMT leader Chiang kai-shek jailed and executed many dissidents and political rivals (whether real or perceived) in a period known as White Terror 白色恐怖 and imposed martial law on Taiwan for more than 38 years, which was qualified as "the longest imposition of martial law by a regime anywhere in the world" at that time.
But under authoritarian KMT rule, Taiwan flourished and rapidly modernized and this was known as Taiwan Miracle. Between 1952 and 1982, Taiwan's economic growth was on average 8.7%, and between 1983 and 1986 at 6.9%. Taiwan GDP grew by 360% between 1965 and 1986 and the percentage of global exports was over 2% in 1986, over other recently industrialized countries, and the global industrial production output grew a further 680% between 1965 and 1986. And it was all achieved under authoritarian KMT rule.
Only when democracy was introduced to Taiwan (because USA threatened to halt weapons sale to Taiwan if KMT did not introduce political reforms) did Taiwan's economic growth became more modest in 1990s and today, Taiwan's economy is in a slump, wages are stagnant, cost of living is high, and Taiwan graduates can't find job so they seek employment opportunities abroad, such as in the mainland or Singapore.
So why should China introduce democracy then? Because Westerners say so?
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+AM Life Why do you say largest part China population still live in poverty? According to World Bank, China’s poverty rate fell from 88% in 1981 to mere 6.5% in 2012, so why still claim largest part of Chinese population are still living in poverty? Sure, its not 0%, but remember that China is world's largest population, so reducing poverty from 88% to 6.5% is astonishing feat. If every Chinese person somehow attained living standards as that of USA, then it could be possible that Earths resources would be depleted to sustain such large population at such high living standards.
If you claim "free environment" needed to grow, then why not look at India, world's largest democracy. It has world's 2nd largest population and Republic of India was democratic since 1947, whereas People's Republic of China founded 2 years later (1949) than India. Yet China mostly overtaken India in virtually every aspect, so what makes you think that China would somehow be better under democratic system?
As for Singapore, Hong-Kong, Macau, Japan, South Korea, most of them were ruled by authoritarianism at one point in their history which led to their growth. Singapore was ruled by authoritarian Lee Kuan Yew, and South Korea by Park Chung Hee. Even ROC (Taiwan) while claiming be "democratic" was ruled by Jiang Jieshi for many decades before free elections were held in ROC. The common thing shared by all these countries during their authoritarian rule, was that the country experienced tremendous economic growth during this period. Even today, China's economy is largest than all of them, and economies in Japan and Hong-Kong are said to be declining.
I don't understand why you think a radical change in leadership, will somehow solve the economic issues of the country. You think American citizens angry at USA economy are doing the right thing, when they radically vote Trump into power to "Make America Great Again"? True, the whole US system isn't changed, but the leader can always revoke policies made by previous political party. For example, President Obama spent 8 years planning and developing the Trans Pacific Partnership, only for Trump to take over and cancel the TPP, simply because Trump disliked Obama (Obama humiliated Trump with his birth certificate) Because of his actions, 8 years of taxpayers money suddenly went down the drain just like that, because of one man's actions. So how exactly does changing the leader result in better policies?
As for China's system, the government always present united front, and any good policies reflect well while bad policies reflect badly. For example, the communist party has to live with the consequences of Mao's policies and because of this, new measures such as age-limits are introduced to prevent people from attaining too much power. Also, the party supports long term policies, like the Belt and Road Iniaitive, which will take decades, even centuries to fully manifest, but China can achieve this, because our government is still expected to remain in power even after decades later. But US government changes every 4-8 years, so it is impossible for USA to have any long-term policies for the country spanning more than 8 years, without another person coming into power to sabotage it.
China has many problems of our own like pollution, corruption and so on, but what makes you think giving people more liberties will somehow make them happier? Once you grant someone liberty, it is extremely difficult to retract it. For example, in America, there are loose gun laws, and every citizen has a right to bear firearms. Because of this, it is easier to commit crime like robbing banks, due to availability of guns to the public, than in other countries with stricter gun laws. American Policemen also encounter more danger in their work, due to higher possibility of suspects being armed. The American government is having difficulty in introducing stricter gun laws, because doing so will be seen as taking away people's freedoms in the American citizen's eyes.
Therefore, from the American gun law example, I would say China is in no hurry to introduce such liberties to the common Chinese people, if it can be avoided. For example, China is slowly shifting from fossil fuels by stopping any more of such plants being built. But in America, the fossil fuel and petroleum industry are so big, that banning fossil fuels is going to be quite impossible to achieve in such short time.
China poised to ban new coal-fired power stations
afr.com/news/china-poised-to-ban-new-coalfired-power-stations-20160711-gq3izc
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@diiriyetv said "神州 Shenzhou you cannot compare the civilised west to China where there is zero culture,"
China has 5000 years of history and is among the world's oldest 'continuous' civilization still alive today, whereas other great ancient civilizations like Mesopotamia, Rome and Egypt have since succumbed to history. Chinese today celebrate Chinese festivals that are thousands of years old, such as Spring Festival (Chinese New Year), Lantern Festival, Qingming (grave-sweeping) Festival, Dragon Boat Festival, Double Seventh (Chinese Valentime's Day) Festival, Mid-Autumn Festival, and many more
The Chinese New Year migration in China (where we make the journey back to our home province to be with our loved ones) has been termed world's largest annual human migration, surpassing even the Western Christmas migration in terms of sheer volume of traffic.
Source: Forbes: Chinese New Year: The World's Largest Human Migration Is About To Begin forbes.com/sites/niallmccarthy/2018/02/14/chinese-new-year-the-worlds-largest-human-migration-is-about-to-begin-infographic/
So why do you claim China cannot compare to the West in Culture?
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@V01DIORE "Who did starve, what was it, 50 million people?"
Those people starved because of Great Chinese Famine which was caused by bad weather conditions like flood and drought, causing destruction of crops and resulted in poor harvests and mass starvation. Even Chairman Mao couldn't possibly control the weather, isn't it? And even if he somehow could, he would have wished for fair weather and bountiful harvests, because he wanted to make China strong again.
"Then go on to create a totalitarian abomination who subverts their own citizens under constant surveillance,"
Didn't Edward Snowden and Julian Assange of Wikileaks exposed that the U.S spies on its allies and monitor their citizens conversations for keywords relating to terrorism?
"the successor to nazi germany who has concentration camps for forced labour and organ harvesting,"
Guantanamo Bay Detention Center exists, and U.S law permits torture including waterboarding. And you still believe those rumors about Organ Harvesting? Why didn't Obama, Trump or Biden ever bring up organ harvesting to President Xi's face?
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@V01DIORE "who debt trap poorer nations and are belligerent to neighbouring countries for imperialist expansionist greed"
China is currently at peace and not at war with any country, since our last major conflict in 1979. Instead of making war, China is building infrastructure like roads, railways, highways, bridges, tunnels, powerstations, dams, ports, airports, etc and investing in developing countries like Sri Lanka, Nepal, Bangladesh, Pakistan, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Tajikistan, and also African countries like Nigeria, Kenya, Chad, Sudan, Ghana, Mozambique, Tanzania, etc.
Whereas the United States is warmonger being involved in Gulf War, Iraq War, Afghan War, Libyan War, Syrian War, Yemen War, etc, even in the 21st century. USA is bombing in those Middle Eastern countries and enacting regime change by cutting off their "heads" (Saddam Hussein, Muammar Gaddafi, etc) and then installing their own US puppet governments in place.
If anything, it sounds like the United States is the real threat to global peace and stability here.
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@qqyoung2899 So if you agree that letting Muslims do whatever they want is not a good thing, then what's wrong with Chinese government controlling Muslims and guiding them away from extremist tendencies and providing free education to boost their literacy and job skills training to prepare them for the workforce? Merkel choosing to accept refugees is Germany's own stance, but if Caucasian families are shrinking in sizer (low birth rates and high divorce rates) and if Muslim refugees are flooding Germany, then the country will start to see a shift in population demographics. There was even an anti-Muslim protest in Dresden, protesting the rising number of Muslims in Germany.
Video: Germany at odds over its growing Muslim population youtube.com/watch?v=1Cf6dtq0zTc
I've gone over the reason why Muslims are not wanted in Western countries, for the simple reason that they are under no pressure to adapt to their host country's religion and culture, Instead they are spreading Islam to your countries, after fleeing their own conflict-filled Islamic country. Why Western government bend over backwards to accommodate Muslims? Are they somehow superior to you, that you allow them free reign in your countries?
The German people are known for being hardworking and their excellence in engineering, then why not incorporate some of these positive attributes to Muslim immigrants in your country? Imagine how much more accepting these anti-Muslim Germans would be, if they learnt that Muslims are willing to adapt to Germany? Then similarly why can't China impart some of our positive virtues (being studious for example) onto these Uighurs, whom might have gone down the path of terrorism, if left unchecked?
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@qqyoung2899 "神州 Shenzhou I believe that all citizens should be treated equally by the state."
China has over 50 ethnic minorities, including Han, Tibetan, Uighurs, Mongols, Manchu, and even some Koreans, yet they are clearly Chinese citizens, but since Han Chinese make up over 90% of China's population, how can you expect equal treatment?
Did you know that Chinese government offer special benefits to ethnic minorities like Tibetans and Uighurs such as tax exemption, priorities in healthcare, free education up to university and other benefits? Ethnic minorities are not subject to One-Child Policy (recently amended to Two-Child Policy) that Han Chinese are subject to and they can have as many kids as they want. If say, a Han Chinese apply for a certain course in university and needs 600 points to qualify, an ethnic minority (like Tibetans, Manchu, etc) need only 400 points (easier) for them to qualify for the same course as Han Chinese. So in China, ethnic minorities often get special treatment over the Han Chinese majority in certain fields.
But this is necessary, because otherwise, Han Chinese will dominate every field and ethnic minorities have to compete with Han in many areas.
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@qqyoung2899 You are in favour of compulsory education (and China indeed has compulsory education) and home schooling is difficult in Xinjiang, because Xinjiang is China's largest province, full of mountains and undeveloped regions, so you expect teachers to commute to all those remote villages to home school Uighurs? Why not gather the students from those remote villages, into a common area, where they can interact with each other, learn social skills, study and at the same time, enjoy recreational activities like painting, singing and dancing or sports like basketball? How to have access to all these facilities if you home school them in their remote villages?
Most Asian countries (Korea, Japan, etc) teach some sort of national education where students are encouraged to loyal to country, so what's wrong with China doing the same? Which country do you come from, that does not encourage patriotism? How is this opinion "stupid"?
Religion and Country has a lot of conflict. Look at how in medieval Europe, the Christian Churches sometimes held more power than the Kings themselves. There were wars fought in the name of religion, such Holy War, the Crusades, Jiihaad and so on. So why do you claim that there is not much conflict between religion and country?
You wrote an entire wall of text, but there's hardly anything substantial behind your comment at all.
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@jayshon1348 China runs a business, not a charity drive, and of course Chinese companies and banks expect to make some money off their investments. Which business or bank in the world does not want returns on investments? In African countries, China is helping build infrastructure like roads, railways, highways, bridges, powerstations, dams, ports, airpots in exchange for raw materials to power our growth. China has done much to help improve Africa in just decades as compared to what Westerners been doing in Africa for centuries.
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+blister Michel What's wrong with CCP's trade practices? Here's how I see it:
America: We want you, China, to make this product cheaply to give us the edge over our competitors.
China:Sure thing, but we'll need access to your blueprints and other information to be able to make those products
America: Done!
About the Zambian merchandise scenario, Chinese citizens have always welcomed foreign goods like Rolex watches, Gucci bags, Toyota cars, Apple iPhones, etc, etc. so why would Chinese begrudge Zambian goods? If there's something to attract Chinese buyers, then Chinese would gladly buy those goods according to demand.
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+J17 "Not to mention most of the work is done China’s own people," China is building roads, railways, highways, bridges, etc, and not every local worker is qualified to build those infrastructures. In the China-Pakistan economic corridor project for example, Pakistan has insufficient engineers and not enough cement to build the infrastructure themselves. Therefore, Pakistan government is training more engineers in its universities and doubling cement production to meet the demands of the project.
1,000 Pakistani students to be trained in China under CPEC
gulfnews.com/news/asia/pakistan/1-000-pakistani-students-to-be-trained-in-china-under-cpec-ccc-1.2245028
Encouraged by CPEC, Pakistan’s cement industry to increase capacity
thenews.com.pk/latest/208193-Encouraged-by-CPEC-Pakistans-cement-industry-to-increase-capacity-by-56pc-report
In the meantime, Chinese engineers bring in Chinese workers and cement from overseas to help lay the foundations for the project, while Pakistan trains more engineers and increase cement production. In the future, when Pakistan has sufficient manpower and materials, they can start taking over the construction from Chinese.
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@perrychrispy1 About Social Credit System, many foreigners often complain about how Chinese people are rude, spit in public, smoke in non-smoking areas, jump queues, jaywalk, disobey traffic rules, drive past red lights, and all manner of unsavory behavior, when not all Chinese people are like that. We also feel ashamed that such bad Chinese people represent China overseas, so the government came up with Social Credit System to penalize bad behavior and promote good behaviors.
But if they persist with bad behavior until their scores become unacceptable, then they will be barred from purchasing plane tickets, to fly out of China and make nuisance of themselves overseas. At least until their scores improve until it becomes acceptable for them to travel again. This is China's form of meritocracy, where bad deeds are penalised and good deeds are rewarded.
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@perrychrispy1 Orwell is just a writer, and he wrote 1984 as a work of fiction, and purposely exaggerated the negative scenario for entertainment purposes. But it does not necessarily mean that reality will follow according to it. And yes, you do lose points for drinking and smoking too much and the key word here is "too much". Look at how many people killed in accidents because of drunk driving? Or how much lung cancer because of smoking.
And throughout ancient history, political power has always been concentrated not in the hands of many, but instead, into the hands of the few elites, be they nobles (aristocracy) or priests (theocracy) or kings and emperors (monarchy). Such systems were popular in ancient world, because they were stable and simply because they worked. The elites were often well-educated and could make political decisions regarding the country's future, while the ignorant, uneducated masses were kept well away from politics.
Democracy on the other hand, has long history of failure. Athenian democracy failed, Spartan democracy failed, Greek democracy failed, and even Republic of Rome eventually fell. These proto-democracies weren't successful, and democracy was never popular outside of Greece in ancient times. And today's modern Western democracy only has a history of 100-200 years, so it does not necessarily mean it will be successful in the future.
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@perrychrispy1 Actually it's Shenzhen (not Schenzen) and it is China's version of Silicon Valley, a technological Mecca, where you can find smartphones, computers, gadgets, cameras, electronics, IT, AI, drones, robotics, automation, software and hardware.
There's even a Robot Wars competition held in Shenzhen by Chinese company DJI ( world's leading drone-maker ) where Chinese graduates compete to build the best robots to fight in a tournament and the winning term might get approached by DJI for a job offer. Here is video about Shenzhen's Robot Wars
Video China's High-Stakes Robot Wars youtube.com/watch?v=qrhvZhPaxQ4
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@perrychrispy1 1984 was written for entertainment purposes, a work of fiction that exaggerated the perils of technology, in order to appeal to readers. I mean, don't you read the disclaimer of fictitious work at the beginning of such works? History and reality are obviously going to be different than fiction.
In democracy, why do you allow ordinary people to participate in political decisions that will affect the country's future? Ordinary people may not necessary know how to vote responsibly (e.g. they fail to turn up to vote) or they may base their votes on emotions, not logic (e.g. British people don't like foreigners, so they voted for Brexit) or they may simply lack the political awareness to make informed decisions regarding the country's future.
That's how people like Hilter managed to come to power, by preying on German people's resentment towards the Treaty of Versailles and he promised to make Germany great again (which admittedly he did) And that's how Donald Trump was able to prey on gullible Americans voters' resentment towards China, together with false promises of making America great again.
Whereas China has 5000 years of history and is among the world's oldest 'continuous' civilization still alive today, whereas other great ancient civilizations like Mesopotamia, Rome and Egypt have since succumbed to history. China has seen the rise and fall of various nations and survived the violent course of history relatively intact. China has always been under the authoritarian rule (and we still are today) because it works for China, so why does China have to adopt Western democracy then? Because Westerners say so?
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@perrychrispy1 Besides inventing gunpowder, Chinese also invented handcannons, handgrenades, fragmentation bombs, landmines, naval mines, exploding cannonballs, rocket launchers, multi-launch rocket systems and of course, fireworks. Today, Americans celebrate the 4th of July with Chinese fireworks, and there was even an ancient Chinese flamethrower capable of launching continuous stream of flame (the first of its kind) which must have been a fearsome sight to behold in the ancient battlefield.
Video: Ancient Chinese Flamethrower youtube.com/watch?v=goi-FVnTD5Y&t=915
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@perrychrispy1 As the world's most populous country, China has the most brainpower to come up with plans and ideas, as well as the most manpower to implement said plans and turn ideas into reality. Larger populations have more geniuses, and since China's population is 4 times that of USA, China has at least 4 geniuses to every 1 American genius. And this can be proven statistically.
Source: China's Statistical Advantage: Large Populations Have More Geniuses http://iiipublishing.com/blog/2018/06/blog_06_07_2018.html
Taken from the above:
Consider two standard bell curves, say one with 1.4 billion people and one with 326 million. The number of average people in China is very close to 4.3 times the number of average people in the U.S. That is also true for those in the top 2% say, which produces scientists, the best business and government people, and the most competent computer programmers. Even there, China would have a 4.3 to 1 advantage, which would be quite an advantage, everything else being equal.
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@perrychrispy1 China publishes more scientific and technical journals in physics, biology, chemistry, mathematics, clinical medicine, biomedical research, engineering and technology, and earth and space sciences, than even the United States. Source: wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_number_of_scientific_and_technical_journal_articles
In 2016:
1. China (426,165 articles)
2. United States (408,985 articles)
3. India (110,320 articles)
4. Germany (103,122 articles)
5. United Kingdom (97,527 articles)
6. Japan (96,536 articles)
This implies that every year, more discoveries are being made and published in Chinese-language papers than English-language papers, and Chinese researchers have access to Western research papers, but Chinese research papers might prove difficult for Western researchers due to the language barrier.
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@auroragb China's infrastructure construction is quite possibly the best in the world, and many of the world's tallest buildings reside in China. As of 2019, out of the Top 64 highest buildings, 32 (50%) are located in China according to source: List of tallest buildings wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_tallest_buildings#Tallest_buildings_in_the_world
Like I said, Zhengzhou was once considered China's largest "Ghost City" back in 2011 by London's Daily Mail so shouldn't you be considered the housing prices of units in Zhengzhou rural area, back in 2011 when it was considered a ghost city then? And like I said, the city has a population of 10,120,000 inhabitants, and had a GDP of 1,014 billion (RMB) in 2018, so obviously Zhengzhou should be classified as a ghost city that has filled up.
So why would rural immigrants migrate to an already filled-up ghost city you tell me? Rural immigrants would be migrating to the other Chinese ghost cities that haven't been filled up yet, where the housing prices are lower and more jobs are available, rather than the filled-up ghost cities like Zhengzhou and Changzhou.
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@auroragb Who's asking you to dissolve people? It's obvious you can't even answer this simple question, so you deliberately try to twist the words into a different meaning and purposely misinterpret the question so that you don't have to answer it. If you believe people are capable of running the country themselves, then why not dissolve your government and let the people run the country themselves? Why do you still need a government then you tell me?
I have already modified the question to be as specific as possible, what more can I modify it to make my meaning any more clearer? You just refuse to answer its because deep down you know that countries need a government to control their people. Why not listen to what the government is doing then? Why not let the people who know how to govern, govern?
About Trump, Brexit, Great Leap Forward, Cultural Revolution, etc, you claimed that at least with democracy, the people can only blame themselves for bad choices. But people blaming themselves does not equate to actually taking responsibility for those actions. Look at the US, and the Republicans and Democrats are fighting among themselves, instead of fighting for America's future. Their elected leaders sabotage and hinder the opposition's plans, instead of tackling America's woes, like rising healthcare, debt, violence, etc. and Trump's election has created a deep political rift within American society today.
Why should China adopt such a chaotic system like Western democracy then? The CCP is not perfect yes, and made mistakes in the past, but the clear difference is that the CCP acknowledges the mistakes and move on. The CCP has long acknowledged the failure of Great Leap Forwards (and even Mao Zedong himself made a self-criticism and stepped down as State Chairman) and learned from it.
In a multiple-party system, the two or more parties blame each other for the country's woes, but in a single-party system, the party itself is to blame for all the bad things and all the good things. That's why China's single-party system is superior, because it accepts responsibility for failures, learn from it and move on, while the Republicans and Democrats in America are diverting blame elsewhere.
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@auroragb Because those things ARE accomplishments of China, but I clearly never said China invented those things. If you want to talk about Chinese inventions then I can gladly enlighten you on Chinese inventions. With the invention of Paper, came Chinese inventions like paper napkins, umbrellas, paper lanterns, paper folding fans, and the very important, paper banknote, which facilitated easier business transactions since merchants no longer need to carry around excessive amounts of metal coinage and precious stones.
Paper helped mankind's understanding of aviation with the Chinese invention of the kite (thought to be the earliest example of man-made flight, and was vital in Franklin's kite experiment) and the world's first hot air balloons were Chinese Sky lanterns (天灯) or also known as Kongming Lanterns (孔明灯). The world's first use of a helicoptor rotor for vertical flight has existed since 400 BC in the form of the Chinese bamboo-copter, (竹蜻蜓 'Bamboo Dragonfly')
Here is a beautiful video of people celebrating RISE Lantern Festival in Las Vegas with Chinese Sky Lanterns. Video: youtube.com/watch?v=SNtwlBbBdb4&t=10 (Suggestion: Watch in HD Fullscreen for best experience)
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@RaginYak Firstly, the McMohan line was drawn by British India, without even consulting any Chinese or Tibetan authority. They just drew the line without bothering to talk to the locals and bypassing the Chinese intermediary, even though Tibet at that time was under Chinese suzerainity as recognised by British India. In 1907, Britain and Russia acknowledged Chinese "suzerainty" over Tibet and that both nations "engage not to enter into negotiations with Tibet except through the intermediary of the Chinese Government."
Article II. In conformity with the admitted principle of the suzerainty of China over Thibet, Great Britain and Russia engage not to enter into negotiations with Thibet except through the intermediary of the Chinese Government.
Source: Convention Between Great Britain and Russia (1907) tibetjustice.org/materials/treaties/treaties12.html
Since Britain acknowledged the Chinese suzerainity over Tibet, then who gives them the enter negotiations with Tibet over the McMohan line, without consulting Chinese emissary? Therefore, shouldn't the McMohan line be invalid, since Britain doesn't even acknowledge Tibetan independence in the first place?
Secondly, what has mountain climbers even got to do with this discussion about sovereignty?
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@samuelboucher1454 "神州 Shenzhou China is supporting Pakistan against India"
Pakistan is our "iron brother" 巴铁 because our bond is as strong as iron. Pakistan always helped China in our time of need, so why can't China support Pakistan then? Look at India and they provided asylum to the Chinese fugitive, the 14th Dalai Lama, so who knows what intentions India has towards Tibet Autonomous Region in China?
"China supports Venezuela dictatorship"
Nicolás Maduro is the democratically elected President of Venezuela, and he won his 2nd term in the 2018 election, garnering 67.84% of the votes, so what's wrong with China supporting Maduro you tell me? Venezuela is suffering from hyperinflation today, because President Trump slapped crippling sanctions on Venezuela which cause their food prices to skyrocket.
China's Belt and Road Initiative is NOT the same as the Opium War, China did NOT wage war with BRI countries and force them to join the BRI. Participation in BRI is entirely voluntarily.
During the 19th century, the British wanted to continue drinking Chinese tea, but China did not want anything the West had to offer, so Britain waged two bloody wars with China and forced Chinese to buy opium from them at gunpoint, which we didn't want because it made us sick and was poisoning our people. During this weak period of Chinese history, Hong Kong was taken from China and made into British colony, to act as a drug distribution hub to spread the addiction throughout rest of China.
Even when Britain renounced ownership over its former territories, Hong Kong was not fully returned back to China, and China had to agree to Sino-British declaration just for Britain to handover what belongs to us.
And what makes you think Chinese people aren't free? Chinese people are free to travel overseas for work, study or play. Haven't you seen Chinese tourists in your lands? Or Chinese international students flooding Western schools and universities?
Who said that Natives speaking out against Great Britain weren't "disappeared"? Look at what Great Britain did to Indian rebels. They tied Indians to the mouth of a loaded cannon and executed them by blasting a hole in their chests, a brutal execution method known as "Blowing from a Gun"
Source: Blowing from a gun wikipedia.org/wiki/Blowing_from_a_gun
Suppression of the Indian Revolt by the English, which depicts the execution of mutineers by blowing from a gun by the British, a painting by Vasily Vereshchagin c. 1884.
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@samuelboucher1454 1. Pakistan, our iron brother, always helped China in our time of need. What has India actually done to help China? Then can't China support Pakistan over India? Pakistan is their own sovereign country "separate" from India after 1947, so why can't China support the Pakistan against India? India and Pakistan are literally "blood brother" states, and they rather fight among themselves?
2. Maduro is the democratically elected President of Venezuela and he won his 2nd term in the 2018 elections, so why can't China support Venezuela? And Trump slapped crippling sanctions on Venezuela because Maduro refused to be a slave to the US Petrol Dollar and he decided to switch to Chinese Yuan instead.
Venezuela's Maduro says will shun U.S. dollar in favor of yuan, others reuters.com/article/us-venezuela-forex/venezuelas-maduro-says-will-shun-us-dollar-in-favor-of-yuan-others-idUSKCN1BJ06O
That's why Trump intends to make life difficult for Maduro and drive up food prices in Venezuela with his economic sanctions on Venezuela.
3. First you compared Belt and Road Initiative to Opium Wars, now you are comparing it to French colonisation of Indochina? China did not make colonies unlike France, and participation in BRI is entirely voluntarily like I said earlier. Countries have the option to withdraw from the BRI anytime they want.
4. Who says that Chinese can't speak out against the government? Have you actually seen what Chinese netizens say in Weibo and other Chinese social media sites, before you accuse China of such a thing?
5. Britain did horrible things to the virtually the entire world, building their success upon the backs of African slavery, genocide of Native Americans and Australian Aboriginals, occupation of their lands even till today, brutal colonisation of Asia (India, Hong Kong, Singapore, etc) and African countries, and plundering resources like gold. British people today are so rich, because they're sitting on a pile of wealth that their ancestors stole from Asia, Africa America and Australia.
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@RaginYak Previously, while Tibet was under Dalai Lama rule, Tibet was a brutal theocracy, where 95% of the population were slaves and the remaining 5% elites were slave owners. Tibetan mountainous soil is infertile, rainfall is scarce in the Himalayas, so the slaves had to work hard to feed the Tibetan population. Starvation was commonplace and theft of food was punished by torture, amputation and even skinning. There's this Tibetan drum called damaru that's made from human skulls, a drumskin made of human skin and drumstick made of human bone. The Dalai Lama was overly worshipped and his followers fought for the right to consume his saliva, his urine and even his feces, because he was considered a divine vessel.
After Tibet returned back to China, Chinese workers began rapidly modernising Tibet, building roads, railways, streetlamps, running water, gas and electricity as well as introducing modern amenities like cars, computers, telephone cables, smartphones, the Internet, WiFi, online shopping (from Taobao) and so on. Under CCP, the first Tibetan colleges opened in Lhasa, offering degrees in both Tibetan and Mandarin Chinese languages. Hydroelectric powerstations were built by Chinese to supply Tibetan homes with electricity.
Source: List of universities and colleges in Tibet wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_universities_and_colleges_in_Tibet
Source: List of major power stations in the Tibet Autonomous Region wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_major_power_stations_in_the_Tibet_Autonomous_Region
Chinese workers built the Qinghai-Lhasa railway (world's highest elevation railway) through dangerous mountainous terrain and low oxygen environments, to connect the normally isolated Tibet with the rest of the world. Tibet can now import food from the mainland to feed its population, and Tibet's population has tripled from 1 million in 1950s to over 3 million people today. A thriving tourist industry has even sprung up in Tibet.
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@mdi8164 Over 50 years ago, nobody ever expected "communist" China would ever succeed, or that we will play an important role in the world. When the Soviet Union collapse in 1990s, everyone fully expected China to soon follow. But China defied all expectations of failure, and transformed from a dirt-poor, war-torn, starving country in the past, into an economic powerhouse today, the world's factory (Made in China), a growing scientific and technological power, protected by world's largest land army, the People's Liberation Army.
And its all been achieved under the CCP leadership, the same party that the Western anti-Communist propaganda have been denouncing all this while. Despite their biased predictions of China's failure, China today is very successful under the CCP rule, so why continue to believe the biased Western propaganda?
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@mdi8164 Western social media platforms are not banned in China, and nobody will arrest you for logging onto Western websites like Facebook, YouTube or Google while in China. Which person has been arrested for doing so? And depending on the type of criticism you post online about the CCP, they might ignore it, or they may take down your post that's all, not "crush" (unless it is very serious)
And according to some studies, China sees on average some 500 protests daily. In 2006, the Chinese Academy of Social Sciences estimated the number of annual mass protests to exceed 90,000, and Chinese sociology professor Sun Liping estimated 180,000 protests in 2010 (or an average of 493 protests daily)
Have you actually been to China and see what it is like here for yourself? Or do you just believe Western anti-Communist propaganda?
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+christuffer said: "The world would still be in the primitive dark ages if it wasn't for Britain."
The sciences, mathematics, astronomy of Britain had historical roots from Asia, and technology like crossbows and gunpowder came from China. The British Empire brutalized the entire global by colonizing other lands, importing slaves from Africa to do laborious work, causing genocide of Native Americans and Australian Aboriginals, occupation of their lands and plundering resources like gold from Africa and Asia.
During British rule of India, British made use of Indian troops to fight Nazi Germany, (which the war had nothing to do with India) Winston Churchill was a racist against Indians and he deliberately caused a famine in Bengali, by stockpiling food for British troops and causing 4 million Indians to starve to death. When the British first colonized India, India was a wealthy country with 25% GDP, but when the British left India, its GDP had fallen to 4%
British also wanted to continue drinking Chinese tea, but China didn't want to sell it, so they waged two bloody wars with China (the 1st war made use of Indian troops) and forced Chinese to buy opium from them, which we didn't want because it made us sick and was poisoning our people. Port cities like Shanghai were forced open to act as drug distribution hubs to spread the addiction throughout rest of China, and Hong Kong was stolen and made a British colony.
And that's not covering what Britain did to America, to Africa, to Australia. Otherwise, why is it most of the world speaks English today?
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From Peng Shuai's post (full translation available on Reddit) it appears that the sex was consensual, since she had previously known Zhang Gaoli before he became vice premier. She wrote:
"You said in those seven years, you never forgot about me, and you will treat me well etc... I was terrified and anxious. Taking into consideration the affection I had for you seven years ago, I agreed*... yes, we had sex. Romantic attraction is such a complicated thing that explain it clearly. From that day on, I *renewed my love for you. Throughout my time with you after that, purely based on our interactions, you were a very good person, and you treated me well."
She's clearly had a tumultuous, on-and-off relationship with a much older man, but there wasn't any suggestion of sexual assault in her post.
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@Kevin-sc3ro Chinese workers work hard to make products like smartphones, computers, electronics, appliances, toys, sneakers, clothing, etc cheap so that the cost of living in the USA is lower than it would be. Think a about the billions of dollars Americans have saved on living expenses thanks to affordable Chinese goods. Money saved that can then be spent elsewhere on things like cars, housing, luxury goods, rent, tuition fees and so on.
Isn't that why many Americans often flock to Walmart for their everyday low prices? Because it saves them money?
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@fireturkeyfly11 The Great Chinese Famine was caused by bad weather conditions like flood and drought, causing destruction of crops and resulting in mass starvation. In 1958, the Yellow River flooded which coincided with the onset of the Great Leap Forward. In July 1958, the peak discharge of the Yellow River at Huayuankou was 22,300 m3/s (790,000 cu ft/s) with a maximum sediment concentration of 911 kg/m3 (57 lb/cu ft), 14× and 24× their mean annual values, respectively. This flood affected 741,000 people, submerged over half a million acres of crops (3.04 million mu), and destroyed over 300,000 houses in 1708 villages and was reported as the most severe flood since 1933.
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@eltyjamessmith3482 While the communists had indeed received support from Soviet Union, the nationalist Kuomintang (Taiwan) had also received US military aid to help them fight the communists. But the KMT were notoriously corrupt, having pocketed some 750,000,000 dollars worth of US military aid, until even US President Harry Truman made a remark about it and wrote that "the Chiangs, the Kungs and the Soongs (were) all thieves."
Source: Wikipedia: Kuomintang
Also, it was United Nation's own decision to kick out Republic of China (Taiwan) and to recognize the People's Republic of China (China) as China, through a democratic voting process back in 1971. According to United Nations General Assembly Resolution 1668, any proposal to change the designated representation of China at the UN would require a two-thirds majority vote and the poll results were 61 in favor, 34 against it, 7 abstaining and 2 non-voting. Next, the United Nations General Assembly Resolution 2758 was passed in response and the results were 76 in favor, 35 against it, 17 abstaining and 3 non-voting as shown in the following map.
Source; Map of results of United Nations General Assembly Resolution 2758 wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Voting_res_2758.png
As you can see, the US voted against PRC so how did USA betray ROC? The resolution was then passed on 25 October 1971, and recognized the People's Republic of China (PRC) as "the only legitimate representative of China to the United Nations" and removed the collective representatives of Chiang Kai-shek and the Republic of China from the United Nations.
So PRC is recognized as the legitimate authority over China through a democratic voting process by UN countries, in which PRC won with two-thirds majority vote over ROC.
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@ericcartmann I mean, look at the West, and Western governments are bending over backwards to accommodate Muslims far too much. The Muslim refugees are fleeing their conflict-ridden Islamic nations, and flooding Western countries like USA, France and Germany, and they are under little pressure to assimilate into their predominantly Christian host countries, much to the disgruntlement of local Americans and Europeans.
Instead, Muslim immigrants pursue their own traditions like Muslims men marrying multiple wives, and Muslim women continuing to wear Muslim headveil while in public, and secretly, many Americans and Europeans are angry that Muslims are under little pressure to adopt their host country's cultures, but they remain fearful of voicing their honest opinions for fear of being labelled as "racist" (even when Islam is not a race) or "Islamophobe" (fear of Islam) because of a culture of "political correctness". The Muslims take Westerner's silence as acceptance of their ways and thus, they are under little pressure to change and assimilate into your countries.
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@strnglhld "Wrong. She specifically said that he forced her to have sex without her consent. Try again."
I read Peng Shuai's post (full translation available on Reddit) and she had previously known Zhang Gaoli seven years ago, before he became a Politburo Standing Committee member and they had sex before. Three years ago they met up and have sex again and it was consensual. She wrote:
You said in those seven years, you never forgot about me, and you will treat me well etc... I was terrified and anxious. Taking into consideration the affection I had for you seven years ago, I agreed... yes, we had sex. Romantic attraction is such a complicated thing that explain it clearly. From that day on, I renewed my love for you. Throughout my time with you after that, purely based on our interactions, you were a very good person, and you treated me well.
So according to Peng Shuai's post, the sex was consensual so where did she said that he forced her to have sex with him without consent? That's why Peng Shuai is denying the allegations of sexual assault, because there were none in her post.
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@V01DIORE 神州 Shenzhou Having a large population doesn’t undo the genocide of the Uyghurs, Tibetans,
What genocide of Uyghurs and Tibetans? The population of Uyghurs in China has tripled from 3,640,125 in 1953 to 11,774,538 in 2020. The population of Tibetans has tripled from 2,775,622 in 1953 to 7,060,731 in 2020, so where's your evidence of genocide? And you still believe those organ harvesting rumors? Why didn't Obama or Trump or even Biden ever bring up the so-called organ harvesting issue to President Xi?
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@V01DIORE Here's the graph for the population of Uighurs in China from 1953 to 2020
1953: 3,640,125
1964: 3,996,311
1982: 5,917,030
1990: 7,207,024
2000: 8,399,393
2010: 10,069,346
2020: 11,774,538
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Here's the graph for the population of Tibetans in China from 1953 to 2020
1953: 2,775,622
1964: 2,501,174
1982: 3,821,950
1990: 4,593,072
2000: 5,416,021
2010: 6,282,187
2020: 7,060,731
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So what genocide are you talking about when the population of Uighurs and Tibetans have been shown to have increased over the years?
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@V01DIORE China is currently at peace and not at war with any country, since our last major conflict in 1979. Instead of making war, China is building infrastructure like roads, railways, highways, bridges, tunnels, powerstations, dams, ports, airports, etc and investing in developing countries like Sri Lanka, Nepal, Bangladesh, Pakistan, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Tajikistan, and also African countries like Nigeria, Kenya, Chad, Sudan, Ghana, Mozambique, Tanzania, etc.
Whereas the United States is warmonger being involved in Gulf War, Iraq War, Afghan War, Libyan War, Syrian War, Yemen War, etc, even in the 21st century. USA is bombing in those Middle Eastern countries and enacting regime change by cutting off their "heads" (Saddam Hussein, Muammar Gaddafi, etc) and then installing their own US puppet governments in place.
If anything, it sounds like the United States is the real threat to global peace and stability here.
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@V01DIORE "神州 Shenzhou While I'm not quite communist I despise capitalism, nevertheless China is an abomination."
About Communism vs Capitalism, it's no secret today that capitalism is killing the planet. Capitalism is the overproduction of goods for the sake of profits, unnecessarily polluting the Earth in the process, with the eventual goal being the complete depletion of the Earth's resources. Because our modern industries are just too efficient, we can literally produce enough food, goods, houses, schools, hospitals, etc for everyone on the Earth. Yet despite this, we still have starving people in the world, homeless people, illiteracy, people lacking access to healthcare, etc. Because under the capitalist system, the goods go to those who can afford it.
Communism is the belief that every resource should be allocated to the people according to needs. The Earth's resources are finite, and capitalism only seeks to exhaust the Earth's resources in pursuit of profit, whereas communism is committed to the idea of distributing resources according to needs. Sure, it's not a perfect system but it seems preferable to capitalism, which is overproduction for the sake of profits. What's the point of hoarding profit? When we all eventually die, can capitalists take their profits into the afterlife? No.
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@V01DIORE "神州 Shenzhou The rating are kinda silly in any realistic nation,"
Previously, China was once a dirt-poor, war-torn, starving country in the past, but today, China has since transformed into world's 2nd largest economy, the world's factory (Made in China) having world's 2nd highest R&D spending, protected by world's largest land army, the People's Liberation Army, funded by world's 2nd highest military expenditure.
And it's all been achieved under communist party leadership, despite Western anti-Communist propaganda constantly denouncing China's success all along. Chinese people's lives are improving everyday, why is it inconceivable to you that the Harvard University and Ash Centre survey revealed that majority of Chinese people support the Communist Party?
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@HiredGoonage "神州 Shenzhou nothing against Chinese people it's your s**t evil government that's the problem"
Evil? China is currently at peace and not at war with any country, since our last major conflict in 1979. Instead of making war, China is building infrastructure like roads, railways, highways, bridges, tunnels, powerstations, dams, ports, airports, etc and investing in developing countries like Sri Lanka, Nepal, Bangladesh, Pakistan, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Tajikistan, and also African countries like Nigeria, Kenya, Chad, Sudan, Ghana, Mozambique, Tanzania, etc.
Whereas the United States is warmonger being involved in Gulf War, Iraq War, Afghan War, Libyan War, Syrian War, Yemen War, etc, even in the 21st century. USA is bombing in those Middle Eastern countries and enacting regime change by cutting off their "heads" (Saddam Hussein, Muammar Gaddafi, etc) and then installing their own US puppet governments in place.
If anything, it sounds like the United States is the real threat to global peace and stability here.
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@V01DIORE "神州 Shenzhou It doesn’t really take time to do so when it’s spreading like wild fire,"
Spreading like wild fire doesn't necessarily confirm that it's human-to-human transmission, it could have been traveling through contact surfaces, or through contaminated food, or some other forms of transmission. And China didn't even have Covid-19 testing kits at the time of Wuhan Outbreak, it is unrealistic to expect so much out of China, given that the novel coronavirus was new to science at that time.
"They even held a feast gathering yet knowing of the problem."
Where's the evidence that they know of the problem before holding a feast gathering? January 2020 was around the period of the Spring Festival, so people were celebrating the festivals, but you just claim everyone in China suddenly know everything there is to know about Covid-19 almost instantaneously? That's unrealistic isn't it?
And again what cover-up are you talking about? You expect China to magically know everything about the coronavirus, but obviously time is needed to ascertain the attributes of the virus. Just like this new Omicron variant, at this point in time, the transmissiblity of it is not well understood, and scientists need at least 2 more weeks to gather information.
And 20th Jan 2020 is just 3 weeks after 31st Dec 2019, so why do you claim it doesn't really take time to do study it?
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@HiredGoonage "神州 Shenzhou Dirty China goes out and buys everything in poor nations when they are down and out."
China needs raw materials to fuel our growth, so while our companies buy resources from developing countries, our businessese also offer to build infrastructure to help developing countries develop themselves. Here are 10 Infrastructure projects in Africa funded by China.
1. Coastal Railway, Nigeria
2. Bagamoyo Port, Tanzania.
3. Modderforntein New City Project, South Africa
4. Standard Gauge Railway, Kenya
5. Infrastructure for Mines Barter Deal, DRC
6. Chad-Sudan Railway
7. Mphanda Nkuwa Dam
8. Hydroelectric Station Project, Mozambique
9. Infrastructure Projects, Malawi
10. Port Sudan-Khartoum Railway
Video: Top 10 Infrastructure Projects In Africa Funded By China youtu.be/TtduKDpy4oc
China has done much to help develop African countries in just decades, compared to what Westerners been doing in Africa for centuries.
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@Cliff Chang "神州 Shenzhou I don't know it's purely ignorant or you're simply selling your soul and promoting propaganda for CCP."
How am I ignorant when I quote factual evidence to support my arguments, whereas other people just attack me personally (like you) for my views? Just because my views happen to differ from yours?
"Peng Shuai is safe and freedom is guaranteed? So why her weibo is taken down and why is she not participating in any of the international tournaments?"
Peng Shuai's 彭帅 Weibo account is still up (I just checked). If you read her original post (or the translation from Reddit) it's apparent that she's had a difficult time emotionally, with a tumultuous, on-and-off affair with a much older man, and now she just wants to lay low for a while until this all blows over,
Participating in international tournaments is important yes, but her mental state of mind is far more important than any tournament. Many athletes have taken time off from tournaments, when they've become embroiled in a scandal, and Peng Shuai's previous affair with a much older man is by traditional Chinese standards, still a rather shameful affair which is possibly why she want's her privacy to be respected.
"Video shot in China can't prove anything, if I hold you at gun point I can make you say anything I want you to say."
Do you see any gun being pointed at Peng Shuai in those video? Especially when she attended the youth awards ceremony? Then why are you making up claims that aren't there?
"People has their right to receive all kind of information and use their own judgement to determine it's true or false."
People like Peng Shuai also have their rights to personal privacy, yet why is WTA and EU trying to pry into her personal life and demand that she bare her private affairs for all the world to see, instead of respecting her wishes?
"Government works for its people, not people work for their government."
Chinese government has done a lot for our people, but the same can't be said of many Western democracies. Harvard University and Ash Center recently conducted a survey that revealed around 80-90% of Chinese citizens support the Communist Party of China.
A Harvard University survey has found that Chinese citizens' satisfaction with government has increased virtually across the board, with the central authorities receiving the strongest level of approval, increasing from 86 percent to 93 percent between 2003 and 2016, the period of the study.
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@Ming Here's a video of modern day Lhasa, Tibet, China (filmed by WildFilmsIndia) and you can see how developed Lhasa has become under communist party rule. Tibetans now have roads, railways, highways, bridges, streetlamps, running water, gas and electricity, and modern technology like cars, telephone cables, computers, smartphones, WiFi, the Internet, online shopping (from Taobao) and so on.
Video: Modern day Lhasa is not a patch on what you thought Tibet looks like youtu.be/3zIQlZopTPo (By WildFilmsIndia)
Even the poorest Tibetan farmer can afford a smartphone, connect to the Internet and shop online in Taobao and have his purchases shipped all the way to Tibet in the Himalayas. Because Tibet is part of China after all.
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@Cliff Chang You said: "Secondly, a video call cannot verify she is not being controlled, someone could be around her to force her to follow the script."
Do you have evidence that she is being controlled? Do you have evidence that someone is around her forcing her to follow the script? Otherwise it's just your speculation that's all.
"Thirdly, Peng Shuai is a tennis player and IOC is not a tennis association. If anyone is to verify Peng Shuai's status it should be WTA, not IOC. IOC is doing this just as a show for winter olympic."
What has Peng Shuai being a tennis player and even got to do with this? Peng Shuai is also a Chinese citizen then what has the WTA even got to do with her status? I could also say that WTA is politicising sports in order to sabotage the 2022 Beijing Olympics and get more countries to boycott it, isn't this a possible motivation for the WTA?
"How do you believe a survey like this to be fair?"
Because Chinese people's lives are improving. China was once a dirt-poor, war-torn, starving country in the past, but today, China has since transformed into world's 2nd largest economy, the world's factory (Made in China) having world's 2nd highest R&D spending, protected by world's largest land army, the People's Liberation Army, funded by world's 2nd highest military expenditure.
And it's all been achieved under communist party leadership, despite Western anti-Communist propaganda constantly denouncing China's success all along. As long as the communist party can continue to deliver economic growth, many people in China continue to support it. Why is this inconceivable to you?
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@Ming Previously, while Tibet was under Dalai Lama rule, Tibet was a brutal theocracy, where 95% of the population were slaves and the remaining 5% elites were slave owners. Tibetan mountainous soil is infertile, rainfall is scarce in the Himalayas, so the slaves had to work hard to feed the Tibetan population. Starvation was commonplace and theft of food was punished by torture, amputation and even skinning. There's this Tibetan drum called damaru that's made from human skulls, a drumskin made of human skin and drumstick made of human bone. The Dalai Lama was overly worshipped and his followers fought for the right to consume his saliva, his urine and even his feces, because he was considered a divine vessel.
After Tibet returned back to China, Chinese workers began rapidly modernising Tibet, building roads, railways, streetlamps, running water, gas and electricity as well as introducing modern amenities like cars, computers, telephone cables, smartphones, the Internet, WiFi, online shopping (from Taobao) and so on. Under CPC, the first Tibetan colleges opened in Lhasa, offering degrees in both Tibetan and Mandarin Chinese languages. Hydroelectric powerstations were built by Chinese to supply Tibetan homes with electricity. Chinese workers built the Qinghai-Lhasa railway (world's highest elevation railway) through dangerous mountainous terrain and low oxygen environments, to connect the normally isolated Tibet with the rest of the world. Tibet can now import food from the mainland to feed its population, and Tibet's population has tripled from 1 million in 1950s to over 3 million people today. A thriving tourist industry has even sprung up in Tibet.
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@V01DIORE "神州 Shenzhou You previously denied that China was totalitarian, backwards of any civilised society in a dystopian manner"
Where did I previously denied that China was all those things you said? Could you please quote me my words where I denied China was those things you said? As for old age, China's political system is ancient I agree, but certainly not backwards, since Chinese political system has done very well for China in the modern world too. For example, China's government has done well in controlling the Covid19 situation in our country, while it is spreading rampantly in Europe and the United States.
"I never said that it wasn’t successful but merely abominably abhorrent."
Abominably abhorrent? China is currently at peace and not at war with any country, since our last major conflict in 1979. Instead of making war, China is building infrastructure like roads, railways, highways, bridges, tunnels, powerstations, dams, ports, airports, etc and investing in developing countries like Sri Lanka, Nepal, Bangladesh, Pakistan, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Tajikistan, and also African countries like Nigeria, Kenya, Chad, Sudan, Ghana, Mozambique, Tanzania, etc.
Whereas the United States is warmonger being involved in Gulf War, Iraq War, Afghan War, Libyan War, Syrian War, Yemen War, etc, even in the 21st century. USA is bombing in those Middle Eastern countries and enacting regime change by cutting off their "heads" (Saddam Hussein, Muammar Gaddafi, etc) and then installing their own US puppet governments in place.
If anything, it looks like it's the United States that's being abominably abhorrent, all in the name of supposed "democracy". Did you see the U.S dronestrike killing an Afghan family of 10 (including children) and the U.S General in charge of ordering the strike faced no several consequences for his mistake?
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@V01DIORE Here's the graph for the population of Uighurs in China from 1953 to 2020
1953: 3,640,125
1964: 3,996,311
1982: 5,917,030
1990: 7,207,024
2000: 8,399,393
2010: 10,069,346
2020: 11,774,538
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Here's the graph for the population of Tibetans in China from 1953 to 2020
1953: 2,775,622
1964: 2,501,174
1982: 3,821,950
1990: 4,593,072
2000: 5,416,021
2010: 6,282,187
2020: 7,060,731
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So what genocide are you talking about when the population of Uighurs and Tibetans have been shown to have increased over the years?
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@V01DIORE You said: "It feels like the current China is husk of what it was (culturally), it feels… artificial, fake, just a facade for the party."
Could you explain how is China a husk of what we were culturally? China has many historical buildings like The Great Wall of China, The Forbidden City, The Terracotta Army, Qin Emperor (1st Emperor of China) Tomb, The Grand Canal (world's oldest and longest artificial river) and many more historical sites. Here's some videos of China's historical sites in 4K, since apparently you like history.
Video: The Great Wall of China in 4k youtu.be/EotbKqZmBuY
Video: Forbidden City, Beijing, China in 4K (Ultra HD) youtu.be/R9vcSWb6mug
Video: Terracotta Army, Xian, China in 4K (Ultra HD) youtu.be/VhIouznYlvo
Yet you're claiming China is a husk of what we were culturally?
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@V01DIORE "神州 Shenzhou Proved it ages ago"
Which Age? The Stone Age? Bronze Age? Why is it you claim China is a husk of what we were culturally? The Forbidden City in Beijing is ranked the world's most visited palace surpassing even Western palaces by sheer volume of visitors.
List of most visited palaces and monuments
1. Forbidden City (Beijing, China): 17,000,000+ visitors per year
2. St. Peter's Basilica (Vatican City): 11,000,000 visitors per year
3. Palace of Versailles (Versailles, France): 8,100,000 visitors per year
4. Lincoln Memorial (Washington DC, USA): 7,804,683 visitors per year
5. Colosseum-Forum-Palatine Hill Circuit (Rome, Italy): 7,650,519 visitors per year
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Source: Wikipedia: List of most visited palaces and monuments
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@V01DIORE "神州 Shenzhou “works” yeah I mean nazi germany “worked”"
"works" is present tense, but "worked" is past tense, so China's political system clearly "works" for our country (even till today) where's Nazi Germany "worked" (according to you). Then what's the point of your statement? China was previously a dirt-poor, war-torn, starving country in the past, but today China has since transformed into the world's 2nd largest economy, the world's factory (Made-in-China) having world's 2nd largest R&D spending, protected by world's largest land army, the People's Liberation Army, funded by world's 2nd largest military spending.
And it's all been achieved under the leadership of the Communist Party of China, despite Western anti-communist propaganda constantly denouncing China's success all along.
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@immortaltyrant2474 China today is currently at peace and not at war with any country, since our last major conflict in 1979. Instead of making war, China is investing in developing countries like Sri Lanka, Nepal, Bangladesh, Pakistan, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Tajikistan, as well as African countries like Nigeria, Kenya, Chad, Sudan, Ethiopia, Mozambique, Zimbabwe, Ghana, etc.
Whereas the United States is warmonger, being involved in Gulf War, Afghan War, Iraq War, Libyan War, Syrian War, etc, even in the 21st century. The USA is bombing those countries and enacting regime change by cutting off those country's "heads" (Saddam Hussein, Muammar Gaddafi, etc) and then installing their own US puppet governments in place. Trump just narrowly avoided starting a fresh war with Iran recently.
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@kasperknutsen8283 Statistically speaking, as world's most populous country, China has the most brainpower to come up with plans and ideas, as well as the most manpower to carry out said plans and turn ideas into reality. Larger populations have more geniuses, and China has 4 geniuses to every 1 American genius. Source: China's Statistical Advantage: http://iiipublishing.com/blog/2018/06/blog_06_07_2018.html
Taken from the above:
Consider two standard bell curves, say one with 1.4 billion people and one with 326 million. The number of average people in China is very close to 4.3 times the number of average people in the U.S. That is also true for those in the top 2% say, which produces scientists, the best business and government people, and the most competent computer programmers. Even there, China would have a 4.3 to 1 advantage, which would be quite an advantage, everything else being equal.
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You really believe those organ-harvesting rumors? I mean, no world leader has ever approached President Xi Jinping about allegations of organ harvesting, not Obama, not Trump, not Biden, not Canadian PM Trudeau, German Chancellor Merkel, French President Macron, British PM Johnson, Russian President Putin, Indian PM Modi, or any world leader for that matter, so why'd you still believe in rumors of ongoing organ-harvesting in China?
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@auroragb You want to bring up the Four Asian Tigers? South Korea's success occurred because it was under authoritarian rule of S. Korean dictator Park Chung Hee. When Park came to power in 1961, South Korea was a dirt-poor country (poorer than some Sub-Sahara African countries) and it's per capita income was only US$72.00 and North Korea was actually the greater economic and military power on the peninsula.
One of Park's main goals was to end the poverty of South Korea, and lift the country up from being a 3rd World economy to a 1st World economy via etatist methods, and Park is credited with playing a pivotal role in the development of South Korea's tiger economy by shifting its focus to export-oriented industrialisatio, which resulted in the Miracle on the Han River (漢江의 奇蹟) and put S. Korea on the world map.
But Park grew increasingly dictatorial (especially after 1971). In 1972, Park declared martial law and amended the constitution into a highly authoritarian document called the Yushin Constitution which was tantamount to an abolishment of the former Constitution, and granting him immense political power. During this time political opposition and dissent was constantly repressed and Park had complete control of the Media and Military.
Source: Wikipedia: Park Chung Hee
In summary, Park is a controversial figure for his dictatorship and undemocratic ways. He created and sustained the Miracle on the Han River, which reshaped and modernized South Korea, but was criticized for his authoritarian way of ruling the country and for prioritizing economic growth and contrived social order at the expense of civil liberties.
Nevertheless, S. Korea became a Tiger Economy because of his authoritarian rule.
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@auroragb All of those Asian Tigers performed well and like I elaborated earlier, all of them advanced under their respective dictatorships (Lee Kuan Yew, Park Chung Hee, Chiang kai-Shek, British colonial rule) so what's your point? You failed to indicate how exactly did democracy and liberalism played a role in the rise of those Asian Tigers. Take Taiwan for example, and after democratizing, Taiwan's economy suffered greatly as explained below
"From the '90s, Taiwan became a two-party system with more partisan disagreements on policy matters. This produced less effective policy making. Secondly, the ruling officials tend to be more conservative in Taiwan so they do not enthusiastically push for policies to globalise and liberalise the island." - Ray Chou Research Fellow Institute of Economics, Academia Sinica,
Video: How Taiwan Lost Its Roar And Its Young Talents youtube.com/watch?v=P3BCnPb8qHY&t=110
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@auroragb Taiwan is part of China under the One China Policy, as agreed by both Taiwan and mainland China government. And the Republic of China claims all of mainland China (including Tibet, Xinjiang, Manchuria, etc) as well as territory under the control of modern day Mongolia, Burma/Myanmar, Bhutan, India, Japan, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Russia and Tajikistan.
Source: Map of ROC Administrative and Claims wikipedia.org/wiki/File:ROC_Administrative_and_Claims.svg
Since ROC can claim all the above territory, then why can't PRC claim Taiwan as well?
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@auroragb Look at prosperous Shenzhen on the mainland, just across from Hong Kong, and Shenzhen is a technological mecca and China's version of Silicon Valley. Here is a short 2 minute aerial video of Shenzhen: City of the Future youtube.com/watch?v=45X0Q1d6Jwk&t=3 (Suggestion: Watch in HD Fullscreen for best experience)
In Shenzhen you can find the latest gadgets, smartphone devices, cameras, drones, automation, robots, IT, Artificial Intelligence systems, software and hardware. Chinese company DJI (world's largest civilian drone maker) holds a competition in Shenzhen for Chinese college graduates to compete in robotic battles and the winners of this contest get awarded a job offer to work in DJI.
Video: China's High-Stakes Robot Wars youtube.com/watch?v=qrhvZhPaxQ4
How is Hong Kong going to compete with Shenzhen, just one of many rising mainland cities?
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@auroragb Virtually all the new buildings in Zhengzhou are newly constructed, what "original construction" are you referring to? How does tearing down unoccupied buildings attract new residents you tell me? And Zhengzhou is not the only "ghost city" that filled up, The Wujin diestrict of Changzhou has been called a Ghost City by the China Youth Daily and other Chinese and international publications. But is it really?
Video:
Changzhou, China Ghost City? youtube.com/watch?v=oEhytPP-FQA
Changzhou A Short Timelapse youtube.com/watch?v=1DvrkOOeNqc
Investing money into real estate isn't really a waste of resources, since sooner or later, housing will always be in demand as world populations grow larger and in China's case, more people from the rural countryside migrate to the cities to find jobs. I mean, even in Singapore, there are always new housing estates being launched in order to cater to its people's demand for houses.
And it is The People who will be occupying these cities eventually, so why do you claim that these cities do not serve the people of the nation? Your arguments are literally born out of sheer spite for China's success, rather than putting any serious thought behind your comment, that's why your points are easily shot down.
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@auroragb What "most democracies" are you talking about? Look at India, world's largest democracy for example, and it only has a literacy rate of 74%, which means that over 25% of Indians are illiterate, yet they are allowed to participate in political decisions that will affect India's future? Every 1 in 4 Indians has not graduated from school, so why do Indians allow them to participate in voting then? Because their British colonial masters told them democracy is the best?
And there are so many problems with democracies like I mentioned earlier, on how the ordinary people just aren't qualified to participate in politics. Look at Brexit, Donald Trump's election, Indian politics, etc, and what makes you think democracy is the best form of government you tell me? You mean you're just going to claim that these problems "don't exist" so they don't need to be solved?
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@auroragb Again, who is asking you to dissolve people? I clearly never asked you to dissolve people, you are the one deliberately distorting the meaning of "dissolving the government" to the insane notion of "dissolving people," just to avoid answering the question. It's crazy what lengths you go to, twisting words just because you are unable to answer the simple question I've posed to you.
And you claimed the people are capable of governing themselves, so again, why do you need a government then, since you seem to think ordinary people can govern themselves? Why spend money and resources electing a government, when ordinary people can govern themselves according to your logic?
Since when is CCP forced onto Hong Kong and Taiwan? Hong Kong has its own separate government from the mainland, under the One Country, Two Systems policy, proposed by China, so how is CCP forced onto Hong Kong? The Hong Kong Chief Executive is elected by Election Committee which consist entirely of Hong Kong groups, and all Beijing does is appoint the Chief Executive that's all and Beijing does not get to vote in Hong Kong's elections.
So how is CCP forced onto Hong Kong like you claimed? Hong Kong is legally part of China, and China can always abolish the Hong Kong government and fully reclaim Hong Kong as part of China (which would happen by 2047) but China is allowing Hong Kong to have their own separate government from the mainland, so again, how is Hong Kong forced to accept CCP?
And Taiwan has their own separate government, so who is forcing CCP onto Taiwan? The mainland also once offered to extend to One Country, Two Systems policy to include Taiwan as well, allowing Taiwan to keep their government and for the mainland to keep ours, yet remaining as a single unified country. No other country in the world is willing to tolerate having multiple political systems existing within their borders, except for China. There are no Democratic countries that have more than one political system within their borders.
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@samuelboucher1454 Look at China today and China today is currently at peace and not at war with any country, since our last major conflict in 1979. Instead of making war, China is building infrastructure like roads, railways, highways, bridges, tunnels, powerstations, dams, ports, airports, etc and investing in developing countries like Sri Lanka, Nepal, Bangladesh, Pakistan, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Tajikistan, and also African countries like Nigeria, Kenya, Chad, Sudan, Ghana, Mozambique, Tanzania, etc.
Whereas the United States is warmonger being involved in Gulf War, Iraq War, Afghan War, Libyan War, Syrian War, Yemen War, etc, even in the 21st century. USA is bombing in those Middle Eastern countries and enacting regime change by cutting off their "heads" (Saddam Hussein, Muammar Gaddafi, etc) and then installing their own US puppet governments in place.
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@samuelboucher1454 And what is mainland China doing to Hong Kong? Look at prosperous Shenzhen in the mainland, just across from Hong Kong and Shenzhen’s economic growth surpassed Hong Kong's in 2017.
Source: Shenzhen surpasses US$338 billion GDP mark in 2017, beats Hong Kong and Singapore’s growth scmp.com/news/china/economy/article/2128310/shenzhen-88-cent-hi-tech-growth-roll-hit-y2tr-2017
Shenzhen is roughly the same economic size as Singapore and Hong Kong, but recorded nominal output of 2.2 trillion yuan (US$338 billion) in 2017 thanks to its booming hi-tech sector. Over 40% of the output came from “innovative” businesses such as internet, biotech and telecom.
And that's despite Shenzhen being under communist party rule, while Hong Kong is suffering under its own democratic government.
Look at Tibet Autonomous Region and Chinese workers modernised Tibet, building roads, railways, streetlamps, running water, gas and electricity as well as introducing modern amenities like cars, computers, telephones, smartphones, The Internet, WiFi, online shopping (from Taobao) and so on. Here's a video by WildFilmsIndia showing modern day life in Tibet and its simply not what they expected.
Video: Modern day Lhasa is not a patch on what you think Tibet looks like youtu.be/3zIQlZopTPo
You talked about Chinese government cracking down on underground Christian churches and what's wrong with that? If you are a Christian in China, then you should register yourself with the proper Chinese authorities. I mean, as a atheist Chinese citizen myself, why should unregistered Christians be allowed to worship in underground churches in China? What have they got to hide?
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@RaginYak I have shown that 14th Dalai Lama received funding from the CIA to train Tibetan guerrillas to engage in separatist activities against the communist government, and exposed the declassified CIA files. The Dalai Lama even criticised the CIA, saying that America was not actually supporting Tibetan independence, they just wanted to destabilise communist governments.
In his 1991 autobiography Freedom in Exile, the 14th Dalai Lama criticized the CIA for supporting the Tibetan independence movement "not because they (the CIA) cared about Tibetan independence, but as part of their worldwide efforts to destabilize all communist governments".
Source: CIA Tibetan program wikipedia.org/wiki/CIA_Tibetan_program#Criticism
In 1999, the Dalai Lama claimed that the CIA Tibetan program had been harmful to Tibet because it primarily served American interests, claiming "once the American policy toward China changed, they stopped their help".
This is supported by the fact that after President Nixon's visit to China, USA stopped caring about Tibetan independence. Today, countries all over the world recognise TAR as part of the People's Republic of China, and if you draw the Map of China, Tibet is clearly part of China.
The Seventeen Point Agreement is a legally binding agreement affirming Chinese sovereignty over Tibet, signed by the Tibetans in 1951. In his autobiography, the Dalai Lama states that the Tibetan delegates claimed they were forced 'under duress' to sign the agreement... Their feeling of duress derives from the general Chinese threat to use military force again in Central Tibet if an agreement was not concluded. However, according to international law, this does not invalidate an agreement. So long as there is no physical violence against the signatories, an agreement is valid.
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@RaginYak Look at Tibet when it was under Dalai Lama rule. Previously, while Tibet was under Dalai Lama rule, Tibet was a brutal theocracy, where 95% of the population were slaves and the remaining 5% elites were slave owners. Tibetan mountainous soil is infertile, rainfall is scarce in the Himalayas, so the slaves had to work hard to feed the Tibetan population. Starvation was commonplace and theft of food was punished by torture, amputation and even skinning. There's this Tibetan drum called damaru that's made from human skulls, a drumskin made of human skin and drumstick made of human bone. The Dalai Lama was overly worshipped and his followers fought for the right to consume his saliva, his urine and even his feces, because he was considered a divine vessel.
After Tibet returned back to China, Chinese workers began rapidly modernising Tibet, building roads, railways, streetlamps, running water, gas and electricity as well as introducing modern amenities like cars, computers, telephone cables, smartphones, the Internet, WiFi, online shopping (from Taobao) and so on. Under CCP, the first Tibetan colleges opened in Lhasa, offering degrees in both Tibetan and Mandarin Chinese languages. Hydroelectric powerstations were built by Chinese to supply Tibetan homes with electricity.
Source: List of universities and colleges in Tibet wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_universities_and_colleges_in_Tibet
Source: List of major power stations in the Tibet Autonomous Region wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_major_power_stations_in_the_Tibet_Autonomous_Region
Chinese workers built the Qinghai-Lhasa railway (world's highest elevation railway) through dangerous mountainous terrain and low oxygen environments, to connect the normally isolated Tibet with the rest of the world. Tibet can now import food from the mainland to feed its population, and Tibet's population has tripled from 1 million in 1950s to over 3 million people today. A thriving tourist industry has even sprung up in Tibet.
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tarin tarin Evil? China is currently at peace and not at war with any country, since our last major conflict in 1979. Instead of making war, China is building infrastructure like roads, railways, highways, bridges, tunnels, powerstations, dams, ports, airports, etc and investing in developing countries like Sri Lanka, Nepal, Bangladesh, Pakistan, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Tajikistan, and also African countries like Nigeria, Kenya, Chad, Sudan, Ghana, Mozambique, Tanzania, etc.
Whereas the United States is warmonger being involved in Gulf War, Iraq War, Afghan War, Libyan War, Syrian War, Yemen War, etc, even in the 21st century. USA is bombing in those Middle Eastern countries and enacting regime change by cutting off their "heads" (Saddam Hussein, Muammar Gaddafi, etc) and then installing their own US puppet governments in place.
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@Tacit_Tern Previously, while Tibet was under Dalai Lama rule, Tibet was a brutal theocracy, where 95% of the population were slaves and the remaining 5% elites were slave owners. Tibetan mountainous soil is infertile, rainfall is scarce in the Himalayas, so the slaves had to work hard to feed the Tibetan population. Starvation was commonplace and theft of food was punished by torture, amputation and even skinning. There's this Tibetan drum called damaru that's made from human skulls, a drumskin made of human skin and drumstick made of human bone. The Dalai Lama was overly worshipped and his followers fought for the right to consume his saliva, his urine and even his feces, because he was considered a divine vessel.
After Tibet returned back to China, Chinese workers began rapidly modernising Tibet, building roads, railways, streetlamps, running water, gas and electricity as well as introducing modern amenities like cars, computers, telephone cables, smartphones, the Internet, WiFi, online shopping (from Taobao) and so on. Under CPC, the first Tibetan colleges opened in Lhasa, offering degrees in both Tibetan and Mandarin Chinese languages. Hydroelectric powerstations were built by Chinese to supply Tibetan homes with electricity.
Source: List of universities and colleges in Tibet wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_universities_and_colleges_in_Tibet
Source: List of major power stations in the Tibet Autonomous Region wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_major_power_stations_in_the_Tibet_Autonomous_Region
Chinese workers built the Qinghai-Lhasa railway (world's highest elevation railway) through dangerous mountainous terrain and low oxygen environments, to connect the normally isolated Tibet with the rest of the world. Tibet can now import food from the mainland to feed its population, and Tibet's population has tripled from 1 million in 1950s to over 3 million people today. A thriving tourist industry has even sprung up in Tibet.
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@calvinblue894 Is there something wrong when a country becomes pro-China? China is currently at peace and not at war with any country, since our last major conflict in 1979. Instead of making war, China is building infrastructure like roads, railways, highways, bridges, tunnels, powerstations, dams, ports, airports, etc and investing in developing countries like Sri Lanka, Nepal, Bangladesh, Pakistan, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Tajikistan, and also African countries like Nigeria, Kenya, Chad, Sudan, Ghana, Mozambique, Tanzania, etc.
Whereas the United States is warmonger being involved in Gulf War, Iraq War, Afghan War, Libyan War, Syrian War, Yemen War, etc, even in the 21st century. USA is bombing in those Middle Eastern countries and enacting regime change by cutting off their "heads" (Saddam Hussein, Muammar Gaddafi, etc) and then installing their own US puppet governments in place.
If anything, it sounds like the United States is a threat to global peace and stability here.
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@ArchesBro I heard Singapore has pre-ordered or is in the process of buying at least four American F-35 fighter jets from the US military, although I'm not sure whether the transaction has taken place or in still in the works. Either way, I agree with you that such a purchase means that Singapore is tying their defense cooperation to the United States, since it makes them dependent on U.S maintenance of such advanced aircraft.
You said: "Anyway, I'm disappointed that Peng Shuai appears to be pinned down by the Chinese government. Sexual misconduct is not limited to China."
Peng Shuai has denied the allegations of sexual assault. I read Peng Shuai's post (full translation available on Reddit) and it appears that she consented to sex, and that she didn't make any allegations of sexual assault in her post. Peng Shuai wrote:
"Taking into consideration the affection I had for you seven years ago, I agreed... yes, we had sex. Romantic attraction is such a complicated thing that explain it clearly. From that day on, I renewed my love for you. Throughout my time with you after that, purely based on our interactions, you were a very good person, and you treated me well."
So according Peng Shuai's post, the sex is consensual and there appears to be misunderstanding in the Western media of sexual assault, when she did not make any such allegations. On 17th Nov, Peng Shuai confirmed this through an email to Steve Simon of WTA, saying that she was at home resting, that the allegation of sexual assault was not true, and that she was not missing. She also criticized the WTA for releasing what it claimed was unverified information about
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@ArchesBro Isn't nationalism the glue that holds a country's people together, especially during times of crisis? In the USA, there are many nationalistic slogans like "Make America Great Again!", "America First!" or "God Bless the United States of America!" because who else is going to fight for America, if not Americans themselves?
But we need to distinguish between nationalism and patriotism. Patriotism is a love of country and devotion to a particular way of life, which one believes to be the best in the world but has no wish to force upon other people. Nationalism however, is a belief that not only is one's country's system and way of life is superior to all others in the world, but seeks to impose this system onto others at other's expense. I personally believe China's political system, while not perfect, it has shown to be viable for our country and extremely successful to boot.
You said: "China is closing itself off from the world right now because it is about to experience intense economic pressure from the housing market bubble starting to pop and shrinking population."
I don't feel that China is closing ourselves off. Next year, China is hosting the 2022 Beijing Winter Olympics, inviting athletes from countries to visit Beijing. UN figures show China was the largest recipient of new foreign direct investment in 2020, overtaking the US for the first time. The Chinese economy brought in 163 billion dollars compared to the 134 billion attracted by the United States.
Video: China overtakes US as top country for foreign investment | DW News youtu.be/o-VHewwSz3A
If anything, China is only closing ourselves off because the government observes a Zero Covid policy, while most of the rest of the world don't. Other than that, how is China closing ourselves off?
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@ArchesBro You said: "In the original post of hers, she doesn't allege rape, but that she didn't have a choice because of the power dynamic and she was pressured to have sex she didn't want, writing that she cried the entire time."
Peng Shuai was initially upset at the beginning but she didn't cry the entire time because she had known Zhang Gaoli since before he became a Politburo Standing Committee member, and she recalled her feelings for him since seven years ago and that's why she consented to sex in the end. After that, she renewed her love for him and Zhang treated her well according to her words. Here's Peng Shuai's post again:
Taking into consideration the affection I had for you seven years ago, I agreed... yes, we had sex. Romantic attraction is such a complicated thing that explain it clearly. From that day on, I renewed my love for you. Throughout my time with you after that, purely based on our interactions, you were a very good person, and you treated me well. We talking about recent history, as well as ancient eras. You educated me on so many topics, and we had discussions about economics, politics. We never ran out of things to talk about. We played chess, sang, played table tennis, played pool and also played tennis together. We always had endless fun. It was as if our personalities fit perfectly together.
Here's a read through of the entire post by Peng Shuai video:youtu.be/cvTUvvePJYg
You said: "This whole incident has totally destroyed the Chinese government's credibility"
How did it destroy the Chinese government's credibility? As far as I know, the Chinese government has remained mostly silent on the issue of Peng Shuai and has not publicly commented on the issue. The closest comment said by the Ministry of Foreign Affairs spokesperson is that "China opposes the politicization of sports."
You said: "Atleast in the USSR they were trying something new, socialism, and they thought it would work... until it didn't and it was a disaster"
I don't believe the USSR was a disaster. Before the 1917 Communist Revolution, Russia was arguably the poorest country in Europe at that time. Only about 15% of the population lived in towns, and fewer than 10% worked in industry. 80% of Russia was agrarian, dominated by peasants whose traditional household economies were extremely inefficient compared to agriculture in Western Europe or the United States. Russia was technologically backward and lagged behind the more advanced Western European countries before the communist revolution.
After the 1917 Communist Revolution by the Bolsheviks, the new Soviet Union rapidly grew to become arguably the strongest country in Europe at that time, both economically as well as militarily (that's one reason why NATO was formed in response to USSR's growing military might). The Soviet Union was also the world's 2nd largest economy (after the United States) during it's heyday from 1960 to 1965.
Source: Soviet Union was world's 2nd largest economy from 1960-1965
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_largest_historical_GDP#By_average_values_of_GDP_(nominal)
Such an ideology that transformed what was once arguably the poorest country in Europe to its strongest, and yet many Westerners only seem to look a the negative side of Marxism and communist ideology. The USSR eventually collapsed in late 1990s because they tried to adopt Western-style democracy and economic reforms too quickly.
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@ArchesBro "神州 Shenzhou Lol, the Olympic Committee is incredibly corrupt. Most likely the Chinese government gave the International Olympic Committee (IOC) a lot of money, so they get to host it."
That's a serious accusation, do you actually have evidence that the Chinese government gave the IOC a lot of money so Beijing gets to host it? If not, then I'm afraid it's just your speculation without proof that's all.
You said: "You don't believe me that CHina is closing itself off from the world? Im sure you know the rest of Chinese people arent allowed to use the internet the rest of the world uses, like YouTube. The Chinese government specifically created their internet system to prevent Chinese people from getting information from the outside world."
I cited the 2022 Beijing Winter Olympics because it's an example of China opening up Beijing to international athletes from all over the world, so if China was closing up then Beijing wouldn't bother to host the Olympics at all. As for the Internet, China literally has the world's largest number of Internet users at 1 billion users. Here's a List of countries by number of Internet users:
List of countries by number of Internet users
1. China: 1,010,740,000 users
2. India: 833,710,000 users
3. United States: 312,320,000 users
4. Indonesia: 212,354,070 users
5. Brazil: 160,010,801 users
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Source:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_number_of_Internet_users#Table
As for YouTube, nobody will come arrest you just for login into YouTube while in China, which person has been arrested just for doing so?
You asked: _"If China's system was successful, why is China so poor per capita compared to the entire region other than India?
This can be explained by mathematics. China has to host the world's largest population at estimated 1.4 billion people. So if you're comparing GDP per capita, then if you divide our GDP by our enormous population, then of course you arrive at at low GDP per capita for China. The same goes for India having the world's 2nd largest population and that's why the GDP per capita for India is very low when you divide it by its enormous population. Because China and India are the world's 2 most populous country in the region.
But what's interesting is that China managed to achieve a higher GDP per capita than India, despite India being a Western-style democracy and China having a larger population than India.
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@ArchesBro You said: 'Taiwan was liberated when the US ordered Japanese soldiers to return to the mainland and their economy boomed when the former government of China fled there."
Taiwan's economic boom was achieved under authoritarian KMT rule. Taiwan had been under single-party KMT rule for more than half its life. For decades the KMT ruled Taiwan with iron fist and Chiang kai-shek was a dictator who jailed and executed dissidents and political rivals (whether real or perceived) in a period known as White Terror (白色恐怖) and imposed martial law on Taiwan for more than 38 years, which was qualified as "the longest imposition of martial law by a regime anywhere in the world" at that time.
Source: White Terror (Taiwan)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Terror_(Taiwan)
But under authoritarian single-party KMT rule, Taiwan actually flourished and prospered, in what's known as the Taiwan Miracle (台湾奇迹). Between 1952 – 1982, Taiwan's economic growth was on average 8.7%, and between 1983 – 1986 at 6.9%. Taiwan GDP grew by 360% between 1965 – 1986. The percentage of global exports was over 2% in 1986, over other recently industrialized countries, and the global industrial production output grew a further 680% between 1965 – 1986. And its all been achieved under KMT leadership.
Only in the late 1990s, when democracy was introduced (because USA threatened to cut off weapons sales to Taiwan) did Taiwan's economic growth became more modest. Since then, Taiwan's economy has stagnated, wages are stagnant, cost of living is rising, unemployment is rising and Taiwan graduates are increasingly seeking jobs abroad, such as in Singapore or mainland China.
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@ArchesBro You said: "The Korean peninsula was involved in multiple conflicts and the Korean war in 1950 and it is still dramatically more wealthy than China."
Korea was once a single unified country during Joseon Dynasty, until the Japanese invaded it and occupied it. After the 1945 WWII Japanese surrender, Korea was (needlessly) divided into North Korea (USSR) and South Korea (USA) and till today, the two Koreas have failed to reunify. By claiming the Korean Peninsula is dramatically more wealthy than China, are you comparing the per capita of both North and South Korea together?
Also, initially S. Korea was dirt-poor country under democracy, and their economic boom was achieved under S. Korean dictator Park Chung-hee, who began a series of economic policies that brought rapid economic growth and industrialization to the nation that eventually became known as the Miracle on the Han River. (漢江의 奇蹟).
When Park first came to power in 1961, S. Korea's per capita income was only US$72.00 and N. Korea was the greater economic and military power on the peninsula due to the North's history of heavy industries. One of Park's main goals was to end the poverty of S. Korea, and lift the country up from being a Third World economy to a First World economy via etatist methods, using the Soviet Union and its Five Year Plans as a model. Park is credited with playing a pivotal role in the development of South Korea's tiger economy by shifting its focus to export-oriented industrialisation.
But despite his modernizing of S. Korea, Park was also a dictator. On 1972, Park declared martial law and amended the constitution into a highly authoritarian document, called the Yushin Constitution and during this time, political opposition and dissent was constantly repressed and Park had complete control of the military, and much control over the media.
You can read more about Park here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Park_Chung-hee
Suffice to say, S. Korea's industrialization and economic boom was achieved mostly under authoritarian dictatorship of Park Chung-hee
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@ArchesBro You said: "Japan's cities were completely burned by US firebombing and nuclear attacks before they surrendered, and they are dramatically more wealthy per person."
Japan's industrialization occurred much earlier than either China's or Korea's. Japan first modernized during the Meiji Restoration (明治維新) and this was achieved not through democracy but under the authoritarian monarchy of Emperor Meiji (for which the period is named after). The individual powers held by feudal lords in the Shogunate (feudal lords) were consolidated under the Japanese Emperor, and as Japan rapidly industrialized, many old Japanese traditions (such as the Samurai Class) were abolished as they were seen as obsolete.
Meiji Restoration
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meiji_Restoration
(The disenfranchised Samurai class rebelled against this and you can watch Tom Cruise in Hollywood's The Last Samurai where the remaining Samurai fought against an increasingly modern Imperial Japanese army)
Suffice to day, Japan actually modernized way earlier than China and Korea, that's why shortly after Meiji Restoration, Imperial Japan became Asia's most powerful economy and military at the start of WWII. After WWII, Japan's economy suffered yes, but because Japan had a history of industrialization, they were able to bounce back quickly.
And it should be noted that Japan's industrialization occurred under authoritarian monarchy of Japanese emperor, not under democracy.
You said: "The answer is simple, with Russian influence, they tried socialism under that moron Mao and it destroyed the country's economy,"
Chairman Mao Zedong is the founding father of the People's Republic of China 🇨🇳 and he succeeded in the herculean task of reunifying our divided country where the previous Nationalist Kuomintang failed during the Republic of China 🇹🇼 (1912-1949) for 37 years.
Back when Dr Sun Zhongshan overthrew the previous Qing Dynasty China and established "democratic" Republic of China (1912-1949) China was divided into several areas, we lost control of Tibet, and various warlords ruled different parts of China and even Japan invaded China twice during this weak period of Chinese history. Dr. Sun tried to get help from the Western powers, but they laughed at the thought of China copying their democracy. They even gave away the Shandong province (which had been occupied by the Germans during WWI) to Japan, instead of returning it to China (even when China was part of the Allies during WWI). In the end, Dr. Sun died without ever realising a unified China under democracy.
But then Mao Zedong came along, and he accomplished what the ROC could not, and reunifed China under communism, proclaiming the People's Republic of China in 1949 and Tibet was finally returned back to China in 1951. If not for Mao Zedong, China today would still be weak and divided country, fighting among ourselves, instead of the strong unified country we are today.
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@Arkangel Flights "神州 Shenzhou I don't who those 6 chinese politicians are. And I am not anti china, I am anti CCP. I don't have anything against chinese culture and the common people of china. I just hate the CCP dictatorship and its human rights abuses."
China is currently at peace and not at war with any country, since our last major conflict in 1979. Instead of making war, China is building infrastructure like roads, railways, highways, bridges, tunnels, powerstations, dams, ports, airports, etc and investing in developing countries like Sri Lanka, Nepal, Bangladesh, Pakistan, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Tajikistan, and also African countries like Nigeria, Kenya, Chad, Sudan, Ghana, Mozambique, Tanzania, etc.
Whereas the United States is warmonger being involved in Gulf War, Iraq War, Afghan War, Libyan War, Syrian War, Yemen War, etc, even in the 21st century. USA is bombing in those Middle Eastern countries and enacting regime change by cutting off their "heads" (Saddam Hussein, Muammar Gaddafi, etc) and then installing their own US puppet governments in place.
If anything, it sounds like the United States is the real threat to global peace and stability here.
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@Arkangel Flights "神州 Shenzhou you have conflicts with 14 countries right now."
China is currently at peace, which country is China currently at war with? None! China has settled boundary dispute approximately of 20,000 km with 12 countries out of the 22,000 km and is yet to settle about 2,000 km of boundary involving India and Bhutan.
-In 1961, Nepal and China signed border agreement.
-In 1962, Mongolia and China signed border agreement.
-In 1963, Afghanistan and China signed border agreement.
-In 1963, Pakistan and China signed border agreement.
-In 1991, USSR and China signed Sino-Soviet border agreement.
-In 1992, Laos and China signed border agreement.
-In 1994, Kazakhstan and China signed border agreement.
-In 2011, Tajikistan ratified a 1999 deal to cede 1,000 km2 of land to China and China also cede over 28,000 km2 of Tajikistani territory.
China has 21 talks with Bhutan and 19 talks with India but still fail to settle our countries borders. Clearly, it's not from a lack of trying on China's part.
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@Arkangel Flights You said: "You have shown no respect to your soldiers when 40 of then died at Galwan valley, you guys simply rejected any were killed."
China never said no one was killed at Galwan Valley, the government simply did not release figures of death tolls on the Chinese side. I mean, what's the point of releasing the death toll? Look at Indian media, they said 20 Indian soldiers died at Galwan Valley (they succumbed to the high attitudes and freezing temperatures at Ladakh) and the Indian people were in an uproar, trashing and burning Chinese goods on protest as anti-China sentiment rose in India. This is dangerous and could possibly escalate into outright war at our border.
What the Chinese government wants is de-escalation of conflict so they censor news about any People's Liberation Army soldiers perishing at Galwan Valley. Can you imagine the uproar by Chinese people if more people knew that possibly 40 PLA soldiers? Anti-Indian sentiment would grow in China, possibly worst than the anti-China sentiment in India, then why should China release the death toll figures, you tell me?
It's actually thanks to Chinese censorship over Galwan Valley, that anti-Indian sentiment is not so widespread in China. But the death toll of Indian soldiers spurred anti-China sentiment in India, so you can see the disadvantage of free media in India.
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@Arkangel Flights "神州 Shenzhou Wait so you are saying free media is bad???"
In a sense yes. Because Indian media is unregulated, the Indian media is stoking Indian nationalism by martyring the deaths of Indian soldiers, and this resulted in Indians trashing Chinese products and increased anti-China sentiment, resulting in escalation of tensions at the border, possibly leading to open conflict (which would not be in both our country's interest. Whereas in China's regulated media, since the death toll is not released, many Chinese do not harbor anti-Indian sentiment, so this results in de-escalation of tension at the border, so isn't Chinese censorship beneficial in this regard?
" So to protect China's image it is better to make sure that the families, the people of china, have no idea about the soldiers who sacrificed for their countries."
The PLA soldier's families and relative can hold their own private funerals, but like I asked earlier: What's the point of releasing death toll figures? Perhaps a some time later, when the Sino-Indian tensions have cooled, then death toll figures could be released to the public, but as of right now, what's the purpose of releasing those figures publicly? That would only stir up anti-Indian sentiment among Chinese (like what's happening in India with anti-China sentiment) then how would this be beneficial to our countries?
"And Indians have every right to trash chinese products and boycott your goods."
Well, technically they can destroy Chinese goods that they already paid for and it's their choice to boycott Chinese goods. But what concerns me is the rising anti-China sentiment in India, possibly targeting Chinese citizens (or people who look Chinese) in India. This is the problem with stirring up anti-China sentiment in other countries.
"You guys have time and time tried to invade them."
Actually, even Indian PM Modi has publicly said that "Chinese troops did not enter Indian territory and no posts were taken" so what invasion are you talking about?
Video: No One Entered Indian Territory: PM Narendra Modi's Big Message To China Over LAC Standoff youtu.be/5xlQwO8tWmM
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@HavokMakerX Horrific regime? China is currently at peace and not at war with any country, since our last major conflict in 1979. Instead of making war, China is building infrastructure like roads, railways, highways, bridges, tunnels, powerstations, dams, ports, airports, etc and investing in developing countries like Sri Lanka, Nepal, Bangladesh, Pakistan, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Tajikistan, and also African countries like Nigeria, Kenya, Chad, Sudan, Ghana, Mozambique, Tanzania, etc.
Whereas the United States is warmonger being involved in Gulf War, Iraq War, Afghan War, Libyan War, Syrian War, Yemen War, etc, even in the 21st century. USA is bombing in those Middle Eastern countries and enacting regime change by cutting off their "heads" (Saddam Hussein, Muammar Gaddafi, etc) and then installing their own US puppet governments in place.
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@parkerhughes434 "神州 Shenzhou Just curious, what happens to you in China if you speak out against a political official that doesn't align with the governments self promoted image?"
As long as your criticism is valid and possibly substantiated by proof (i.e corruption, forced evictions, unpaid wages, environmental degradation, etc) then the authorities will look into the matter. But personal insults and verbal abuse for no rhyme or reason aren't tolerated.
"Like an athlete speaking out against an official due to their previous relationship or a comedian making jokes about Xi Jinping, what happens?"
If you're referring to Peng Shuai's relationship with a much older man, again, this is her private matter with him, and doesn't have anything to do with the West. Peng Shuai has expressed her desire for her privacy to be respect, but it appears that Western MSM are demanding that she bare her life details for all the world to see. As for a comedian making jokes about Xi Jinping, this isn't tolerated. It's similar to disrespecting your parents, or a well respected figure, for the sake of fun, not for any valid criticism.
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@parkerhughes434 "神州 Shenzhou Americans disagree with those countries laws as well. It's the people who decide was is socially correct, not the government."
But who are Americans to tell other countries laws are wrong? Those countries are not America after all, it's their country, their rules. Just like it's our country, our rules for China.
You said: "China seems to have many sensitive topics that are illegal to talk about. That is very foreign to Americans because the United States is the king of sensitive topics, we just don't get into trouble for talking about them publically."
There are things in America that are illegal to do, that can be done in China. For example, I've been to USA before and I found that in many states, you can't walk around in public with a open bottle or can of an alcoholic beverage, or the police will come arrest you. But you can do that in China, no problem.
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@parkerhughes434 "Why are government officials exempt from personal insults or abuse?"
The same way African Americans are exempted from personal insults or abuse from being called the N-word by non-African descent people. Yet oftentimes, many African Americans often use that same word to refer to their fellow people of African descent, there is clearly this exemption that exists in America. It's the same reasoning in many countries, including China.
"Alright, and this is illegal to do in China?"
According to China's Policies And Practices On Protecting Freedom Of Religious Belief, in exercising their right to free religious belief, believers should not interfere in the lawful rights of other people, or force others to believe in any religion. Believers should not discriminate against non-believers or believers of other religions. No one shall use religion to interfere in the lawful rights and interests of citizens. Believers should respect public order, customs, cultural traditions and social ethics in exercising their freedom of religious belief.
"And I keep asking the Peng Shuai question because you are not answering it."
I did answer it several times, but it's apparent that you refuse to accept my answer. And you even phrased it as a hypothetical example that's all, how to know for sure what's going to happen in such a hypothetical example?
"I'm going to go ahead and believe it's safe to assume the CCP is not allowing her on Weibo or any social media for that matter, given her silence on all platforms. And is only given permission to send emails and make public appearances until approved by the CCP."
Your assumption has a flaw because Peng Shuai has a Facebook account and she isn't responding on Facebook (which is beyond the Chinese government's control) either. Therefore it's far more likely that Peng Shuai is merely keeping silent on her own accord.
"You must understand that this is very very foreign to an American."
Even though there's clearly a flaw in your assumption, why do you think this very very foreign to Americans? Didn't the former U.S President Trump had his Twitter account banned, even until today?
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@parkerhughes434 "That's a right we have, we can publically disagree with any law from any country we want... Overall, who are countries to tell Americans what we can or can't say?"
Then why people like Edward Snowden (or Julian Assange of Wikileaks) exposed the U.S spying on it's allies, and monitoring their citizens conversations for keywords relating to terrorism, get treated as U.S fugitives?
"This is true, but these laws are decided at the state level, just like how in some states it is safe to buy marijuana while in others it is not, but yes still an overwhelming majority prohibits public consumption of any drug including alcohol."
It's the same in China, in the sense that most laws are decided at the state level, and supported by overwhelming majority of the public in China. If there's dissatisfaction or grievances, including corruption, forced evictions, unpaid wages, environmental degradation, ethnic protests, etc, then the public protest and the government pays attentions.
"Now that's an interesting analogy for you to make, are you saying that public intoxication is as important to the Chinese public as freedom of expression is to the United States public?"
Excuse me, but when did I ever mention anything about "public intoxication"? All I said was that in China, you can walk around with an open can/bottle of beer that's all, and nobody will come arrest you for it.
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@parkerhughes434 "Unlike insulting the CCP in China, It's not illegal to say the N-word in the United States."
Then why don't you go into the the African American neighborhood and say the N-word to people of African descent? Go ahead and film yourself doing that. Since according to you, that's basically insulting the African Americans, then it has the same level as someone insulting the Communist Party of China for no apparent reason.
"the people control social change in the United States unlike China where it is controlled by the government."
That's apparently not true. Look at the Black Lives Matter protests and what social change in the United States did that achieve? Americans got a nice new road, but otherwise, the situation of African Americans in the USA is the same. And from what I understand, polls shown that majority of American adults (around 63%) want universal healthcare for all, but this doesn't seem to be happening.
"Are you really trying to say the Chinese government arrests and punishes people because criticism is like the N-word to them?"
Now you're switching back to criticism when we had been talking about verbal abuse and personal insults all along? I've already explained earlier that as long as the criticism is valid and possibly substantiated by proof (i.e corruption, forced evictions, unpaid wages, environmental degradation, etc) then the authorities will look into the matter. But once again personal insults and verbal abuse for no reason aren't tolerated.
"So it is illegal to criticize and degrade someone's beliefs in China, especially the CCP's, got it."
You had previous quoted my whole text on China's Policies And Practices On Protecting Freedom Of Religious Belief what has that got to do with beliefs in the CPC? Why are you seemingly drawing random conclusions out of nowhere?
"And about Peng Shuai, yes my question is hypothetical, but that doesn't detract from you avoiding the question in the first place. And that question, what would happen if Peng Shuai wanted to keep speaking on social media? Would the CCP step in to stop her or would they allow it? I think we all know what they would do, and you are just playing ignorant."
Since you admitted that your question is hypothetical, then there's no true answer because it's impossible to know what the CPC would do in your hypothetical scenario. You can't prove that the CPC would step in to stop her or whether they would allow it, because it's a hypothetical scenario.
"And why would Peng Shuai begin posting on Facebook, a banned website in China, when the CCP most definitely now has their eye on her? "
Peng Shuai already has a Facebook account what do you mean by begin posting on Facebook? And since you claim it's banned website in China then all the more why wouldn't Peng Shuai post on Facebook? But the fact that she hasn't, clearly implies that Peng Shuai is trying to avoid the public eye and keep a low profile, so does your assumption work?
"Yes Twitter, a private company, banned Trump from their platform as is their right. The United States government did not ban him because they do not have that right."
So you're admitting that the corporations have the so much power, as to silence the former U.S President Trump (back when he was the still the POTUS)? Then this is a difference of power. In China, the Chinese government controls the Chinese corporations for China's benefit, reining in companies when they gone too far. Whereas in the U.S, the rich U.S corporations control the U.S government for war and profit at the expense of ordinary Americans.
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@parkerhughes434 Not just Julian Assange or Edward Snowden, there was this U.S Marine Corps lieutenant colonel Stuart Scheller who was fired after he posted a video demanding accountability from military leaders over the botched evacuation of Afghanistan. Video: Marine Officer Court-Martialed For Afghanistan Comments youtu.be/Kh_dB9tgNMQ
I don't understand why you can continually preach about America's supposed "freedom of speech" when there's evidence to show that's not really the case.
"What about political grievances, such as putting stricter term limits on Xi Jinping or lowering the government censors? How can the public share these grievances if they are being regularly silenced and censored?"
While it's true that President Xi Jinping has removed the presidential term limits, but he still needs to be re-elected after every term of 4 years to keep his position. And the public can always go onto political forums in China if they want to discuss these issues with their provincial governments.
And I really don't understand what you mean, which person in China has been silenced and censored for political grievances about President Xi's term limits?
"are you saying that walking around with an open can/bottle of beer is as important to the Chinese public as freedom of expression is to the United States public?"
No, I'm just saying it's something that you can do in China that you can't do in many American states, that's all. As for freedom of expression in China, I've already given examples that in China you can display the Communist Hammer and Sickle ☭ flag and the Nazi Swastika 卍 flag, which you can't do in some other countries like Germany, France, Austria, or Ukraine, Lithuania, Indonesia. It just goes to show that different countries have different levels of freedom of expression.
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@fireturkeyfly11 Chairman Mao Zedong is the founding father of the People's Republic of China 🇨🇳 and he succeeded in the herculean task of reunifying our divided country where the previous Nationalist Kuomintang failed under the Republic of China 🇹🇼 (1912-1949) for 37 years. When Dr Sun Zhongshan overthrew the previous Qing Dynasty China and established "democratic" ROC, China was divided into several areas, we lost control of Tibet, and various warlords ruled different parts of China and even Japan invaded China twice during this weak period of Chinese history. Dr. Sun tried to get help from the Western powers, but they laughed at the thought of China copying their democracy. They even gave away the Shandong province (which had been occupied by the Germans during WWI) to Japan, instead of returning it to China (even when China was part of the Allies during WWI). In the end, Dr. Sun died without ever realising a unified China under democracy.
But then Mao Zedong came along, and he accomplished what the ROC could not, and reunifed China under communism, proclaiming the PRC in 1949 and Tibet was finally returned back to China in 1951. If not for Mao Zedong, China today would still be weak and divided country, fighting among ourselves, instead of the strong unified country we are today.
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@fireturkeyfly11 You said: "There are so many things going right and so many more things go wrong in China internally. The whole core system in the society is corrupt."
Yes, China has problems just like every other country. Corruption is a universal phenomena and every country suffers from corruption to a certain degree and President Xi Jinping has vowed to tackle the mountain of corruption inherent with the communist party. Several high ranking and low ranking communist officials have been arrested for corruption, but when is the last time a country like the United States had a corruption crackdown of it's own? For example, Hilary Clinton is corrupt politician, and Donald Trump promised to jail her during his presidential campaign. But after he became president, no further action been taken against Clinton for corruption.
"The Party is trying to patch this and that but never the core issues."
So what are the core issues? Tackling poverty? The Communist Party has lifted millions of people out of poverty into middle-income class. Granted it's not perfect, but it shows the CPC's commitment to tackling the core issues. Tackling corruption? President Xi Jinping has anti-corruption crackdowns like I mentioned earlier. Tackling pollution? China has built the world's largest hydroelectric power station, Three Gorges Dam to help reduce our CO2 emissions.
Video: Largest Dam in the World youtu.be/j3J196bLP5E
"It is majority of common Chinese people suffer, big time."
Have you actually been to China and seen what life is like here for yourself? Life is improving everyday in China. According to a recent Harvard University and Ash Center study, around 80-90% of Chinese citizens support the Communist Party of China.
A Harvard University survey has found that Chinese citizens' satisfaction with government has increased virtually across the board, with the central authorities receiving the strongest level of approval, increasing from 86 percent to 93 percent between 2003 and 2016, the period of the study.
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+Steven James DeBlasi When did I ever said that women treated better in China than in Western democracies? Can you quote me the exact words I said? When did I mention anything about authoritarian political system actually better than democratic system? You are already making up assumptions about me that's all, when I haven't even talked about anything yet.
You claim people instinctively crave freedom, is that why USA is having trouble with gun laws, since under US laws, citizens have the right to bear firearms? Taking away such a "liberty" would be considered going against freedom, which is why the US government has been unable to implement any successful gun laws. In the US, it is easier to commit crimes such as robbery due to easy access to guns by the populace. In other countries with stricter gun laws like China, it is much harder to commit such crimes because of scarcity of firearms, so why should China sudden follow the USA's own version of liberty? Chinese citizens enjoy safety because of gun control, and not every form of "liberty" is beneficial.
Otherwise, how do you explain the fact that USA has world's highest prison population, even more than China? Guns being so easily available, only encourage more criminal acts, and makes life of policemen much more dangerous when suspects are more likely to carry guns?
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+Steven James DeBlasi I wrote that, because you were claiming Chinese government was imprisoning and jailing our own people. What is wrong with jailing our own people if they have committed crimes under Chinese laws? I only pointed out that USA has world's largest prison population as a fact, that even China does not match it, but how on Earth does it say that China is better than USA here? You are the one reading too much into my statements.
As for rape in US army, it is also fact taken from an article, and I did not say anything about "women in China are treated better" so how is this grounds for blatantly accusing me of saying women in China are treated better? When did I even talk about women in China at all here before you started accusing me? All I did here was point out prevalence of rape in the US army, that's all.
Now you suddenly claiming only three possibilities exist when comparing USA and China's political systems? Why do people like you only believe in absolutes, such as black and white? There is no government in the world that is absolutely "equal" to another government. Between China and USA, there are different aspects that are better or worse than each other, so why are you deliberately trying to shoehorn such a complex political entity as "government" into only three absolute possibilities with another government? There are infinite number of possibilities and scenarios where each government will fare better than the other, so why do you limit it to better, worst or equal?
I think you are the one clearly lacking in critical thinking skills, if all you do is try to compare which government is better, worst or equal and only consider these possibilities. You think governments are fixed, static entities that somehow remain the same forever and don't change at all with time? How can you just conveniently stereotype governments into better, worst or equal, based on one or two aspects that's all?
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+Steven James DeBlasi Every country has its own laws regarding what's acceptable and what's not. What about Saudi Arabian government continuing to arbitrarily arrest, try, and convict peaceful dissidents? Dozens of human rights defenders and activists are serving long prison sentences for criticizing authorities or advocating political and rights reforms. Under Saudi Arabian Islamic Law, women aren't even allowed to drive. Yet nary a word is even mentioned about this, because USA is steadfast ally with Saudi Arabia because it is rich in oil.
Human Rights Watch: Saudi Arabia
hrw.org/middle-east/n-africa/saudi-arabia
You really think this does not happen in "democratic" countries. What about democratic Singapore? According to Human Rights Watch: Singapore
"Singapore’s political environment is stifling. Citizens continue to face severe restrictions on their basic rights to freedom of expression, association, and peaceful assembly. The government silences and punishes critics by using defamation laws. The media are regularly censored, particularly for discussions of domestic politics or positive depictions of LGBT people"
Human Rights Watch: Singapore
hrw.org/asia/singapore
And yet Singapore still regarded as one of the most successful democracies worldwide. Doesn't its system sound suspiciously like China's, because Chinese government modeled our system over Singapore's?
Once again you have shown to be believing only in Black and White that's all, when the whole world are actually shades of gray. Even you logic is A, B, C, which are all "absolutes" once again. You really think the whole world is consists of absolutes like A is always A, and B always come after A? Haven't you ever heard of "fuzzy" logic, that more closely mimics the real world, than your fixed absolute logic? I really don't understand how you are even demonstrating any "critical" thinking whatsoever here.
Lastly, what makes you say the communist party of China is empirically bad? It does more harm than good to our people? The Chinese government is the same government that lifted 600 million people out of poverty, according to World Bank, as the one who ruled China during Mao's Red Communism period. You claim US government is not perfect, then why can't you see that China's government is not perfect as well?
Just for comparison, the entire population of Africa is 1.2 billion people. So the communist government lifted a number of people roughly equivalent to 50% of the entire population of Africa out of poverty, in decades, as compared to what Western powers been doing to Africa for centuries. Such a phenomena has been termed "unprecedented" in human history, even by Western scholars, and it is said that such an event is unlikely to ever be repeated elsewhere on Earth.
So how can you simply just claim that Chinese government has done more harm than good for Chinese people? How do you even measure such terms such as "harm" and "good" anyway?
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+Steven James DeBlasi I am not German person, but it while it can be said that there are people who would defend Nazi Party, just as there are also people who would defend it. There is no "right" or "wrong" in this world. The Nazi party was formed because of German people's resentment over the Treaty of Versailles, as well as the inflation and state of Germany after WW1. Adolf Hitler rose to power because he preyed on German's people's anger over the treaty, which led to him being elected to eventually become Chancellor of Germany.
Under Nazi's leadership, Germany grew powerful and heavily industrialized, and its effects can still be felt today in the form of excellent German engineering in automobiles, such as Volkswagen, and the V-2 rocket, which although was a weapon, still formed the basis of NASA rocket systems that enabled America to land on the Moon. Of course everyone knows of the atrocities of WW2, but there is still no denying that Nazi Party also contributed to progress and development of Germany.
But does that mean I support Nazism here? Of course not. But I am not denying that Nazis did contribute to Germany's successful development as nation. Only people who believe in Black and White like you, will want to label things as better, worse or equal.
China's poverty numbers were derived from the World Bank, so are you claiming that the World Bank is inaccurate? According to World Bank, China’s poverty rate fell from 88% in 1981 to mere 6.5% in 2012. China also has world's largest population, so reducing poverty from 88% to 6.5% is astonishing feat in itself. Besides poverty reduction, UNESCO has also measured Chinese literacy rate, and the adult literacy rate of China increased from 65.5% in 1982 to 96.4% in 2015 growing at an average annual rate of 10.39%.
So how exactly again do you measure "harm" here?
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+Steven James DeBlasi Because I, unlike you, do not believe in absolutes such as good or evil. Who is the one that keep on shoehorning such antiquated concepts into a discussion about politics? There always two sides to history, so who are you to label terms such as "harmful" onto a government, simply because of your own personal beliefs? If the Nazis had won WW2, the world would have been much different place altogether and they would of course portray all the bad things Allies had done isn't it? So why can't people look at history from an objective point instead?
You keep on claiming that I am propagandist or part of 50c party, but do you even read your source carefully? According to your source, the 50c party operate in Chinese social media and internet forums, like Weibo, etc. It does not mention anything at all about them venturing into Western websites like Youtube. So why are you assuming that I am 50c or propagandist of the communist party? You mean anyone who expresses support for the Chinese government must be from 50c party? You are the one clearly lacking in "critical" thinking skills, if you fail to see that 50c reside within Chinese social media and internet forums, NOT in Western media.
Chinese government has corruption, but at least there are corruption crackdowns campaigns undertaken by the party to root out corruption. On the other hand, US government also has corruption, but what steps have ever been taken to address the issue? President Trump promised during his presidential campaign to release his tax details upon become president of United States, but so far, he has not kept his promise. What about Hilary Clinton, who is being investigated for corruption by CIA, but so far, not much news and progress is made about her previous activities? Corruption is universal phenomena, but at least the Chinese government is actively willing to tackle this huge monster of a problem.
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+Andy S I agreed with you. In my personal opinion, politics should be about doing what's right, not what's popular. Sometimes, the popular thing may not be right, and the right thing may not be popular.
For example, British people had referendum whether to leave EU or not, and majority voted to leave the EU, but does that necessarily mean that it is the right thing to do? British PM David Cameron was against the separation, and he announced his resignation after hearing the results of the polling.
As for China, China's One-Child Policy is extremely unpopular with Han Chinese, but it was put into effect in order to help prevent China being overwhelmed by massive population and having insufficient resources to support such large population. It did what it was supposed to do and was effective (almost too effective) in slowing down China's birthrate, and due to the declining birthrate, a new Two-Child Policy is introduced.
China has 5000 years history and is one of world's oldest "continuous" civilizations still alive today, whereas other great ancient civilizations like Rome and Egypt have long since faded to history. China has over 3000 years of governing experience to draw upon, so I also don't understand why Westerners believe China should follow their governing systems when modern Western democracy only has history of about, say 200-300 years?
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@chadwarden5472 "神州 Shenzhou what are your thoughts on 1989 Tiananmen Square protests?"
They were Chinese university undergraduates, and they haven't even stepped out into the real world of working adults, yet they already think they know how the best way to govern China? Over Deng Xiaoping? Deng Xiaoping was the man who introduced capitalist reforms to China in 1970s, so imagine what would have happened if these anti-Deng protestors had succeeded in toppling China.
China would have been fragmented and divided into various provinces, just like when the Soviet Union collapsed in 1990s and fragmented into Russia, Ukraine, Lithuania, etc, and similarly China would be fragmented into Tibet, Xinjiang, Inner Mongolia, Manchuria, etc, instead of remaining the strong unified country we are today.
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@tommieberggren3324 China is currently at peace and not at war with any country, since our last major conflict in 1979. Instead of making war, China is building infrastructure like roads, railways, highways, bridges, tunnels, powerstations, dams, ports, airports, etc and investing in developing countries like Sri Lanka, Nepal, Bangladesh, Pakistan, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Tajikistan, and also African countries like Nigeria, Kenya, Chad, Sudan, Ghana, Mozambique, Tanzania, etc.
Whereas the United States is warmonger being involved in Gulf War, Iraq War, Afghan War, Libyan War, Syrian War, Yemen War, etc, even in the 21st century. USA is bombing in those Middle Eastern countries and enacting regime change by cutting off their "heads" (Saddam Hussein, Muammar Gaddafi, etc) and then installing their own US puppet governments in place.
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@thetruth5011 Many countries have adapted Chinese food to suit their tastes. For example:
American Chinese cuisine has General Tso's chicken, Chop Suey, Crab Rangoon, etc.
Australian Chinese cuisine has Lemon Chicken, Chow Sam See, Mustard Prawns, etc.
Canadian Chinese cuisine has _Ginger Beef, Newfoundland Chow Mein, Thunder Bay Bon Bons, etc.
Caribbean Chinese cuisine has Cha Chee Kai, Jerk Chow Mein, Char Siu Pork Dhalpouri, etc.
Filipino Chinese cuisine has Batchoy (肉脆), Hopia (好餅), Kiampong (鹹飯) etc.
Indian Chinese cuisine has Manchurian Mutton, Jalfrezi Chicken, Hunan Chicken, etc.
Japanese Chinese cuisine has Ramen (拉麺), Chashu (叉燒), Mābō-dōfu (麻婆豆腐), etc.
Korean Chinese cuisine has Jajangmyeon (炸酱面), Jjamppong (焖面), Tangsuyuk (糖醋肉), etc.
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and many other countries have their own version of Chinese cuisine adapted to local tastes.
Sources:
American Chinese cuisine wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Chinese_cuisine
Australian Chinese cuisine wikipedia.org/wiki/Australian_Chinese_cuisine
Canadian Chinese cuisine wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian-Chinese_cuisine
Caribbean Chinese cuisine wikipedia.org/wiki/Caribbean_Chinese_cuisine
Filipino Chinese cuisine wikipedia.org/wiki/Filipino_Chinese_cuisine
Indian Chinese cuisine wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_Chinese_cuisine
Indonesian Chinese cuisine wikipedia.org/wiki/Indonesian_Chinese_cuisine
Japanese Chinese cuisine wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_Chinese_cuisine
Korean Chinese cuisine wikipedia.org/wiki/Korean_Chinese_cuisine
Malaysian Chinese cuisine wikipedia.org/wiki/Malaysian_Chinese_cuisine
Pakistan Chinese cuisine wikipedia.org/wiki/Pakistani_Chinese_cuisine
Puerto Rican Chinese cuisine wikipedia.org/wiki/Puerto_Rican_Chinese_cuisine
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@thetruth5011 I just gave you evidence, you're just going to ignore it? Experts estimate that there are more than 40,000 Chinese restaurants in the USA alone. That already means that there are more Chinese restaurants in USA than the combined total of Burger King, Kentucky Fried Chicken, McDonald’s, and Wendy’s restaurants.
Source: Today, there are more Chinese restaurants in the United States than the combined total of Burger King, Kentucky Fried Chicken, McDonald’s, and Wendy’s restaurants. statspotting.com/stunning-there-are-more-chinese-restaurants-in-the-us-than/
Given that the % population of Chinese/Asian Americans is much smaller than Caucasian Americans, this implies that more Caucasian customers are visiting Chinese restaurants given that there are more Chinese restaurants than Western Fast Food restaurants. It implies that Chinese restaurants are catering to larger populations than the Chinese American population.
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Ionor Rea's Tech Evolution Archive said "I do not see any improvement from China taking over when seeing how they treat own citizens and what kind of relationship China had with countries around"
Chinese government have stated publicly that our government system is not for export to other countries. China is not interested in spreading "communism" like Soviet Union in the past, or like what USA is doing with democracy. China observes a policy of non-interference in other countries affairs, and will do business with countries as long as they are willing to do business with us.
President Xi says China will not export its political system
Source: reuters (dot) com/article/us-china-parties/president-xi-says-china-will-not-export-its-political-system-idUSKBN1DV4UM
China is helping build infrastructure in countries like Pakistan, Bangladesh, Sri Lanka, Maldives, and also African countries like Nigeria, Angola, Kenya, etc. But China is not exporting "communism" to these countries, and merely doing business that's all.
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Chinese workers work hard to make all those products like smartphones, computers, laptops, appliances, electronics, clothing, toys, sneakers, etc, so that foreigners can afford them and help keep cost of living low in their countries. Think of the millions of dollars you people have saved over the years on daily living expenses, thanks to affordable Chinese goods.
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+NeutralDice Then why did Western society import African slaves to do the laborious work for them? If you can do it yourself, then why resort to importing slavery from another country? Today African Americans make up a significant part of US population, so the amount of slaves imported wasn't just a few.
Native Americans and Australian Aboriginals were once prominent, but have since been reduced to a stranger within their own lands. As for Chinese immigrants, China is world's most populous country, so its quite possible that there isn't enough resources for everyone. With such a large student population, competition for schools and higher education in China is fierce and intense, and there aren't enough jobs for everyone once they graduate.
That's why some Chinese migrate to Western countries to study and to work there. I'm sure you've seen many Chinese international exchange students in your universities, or Chinese doctors, lawyers, programmers (stereotypical I know) and researchers working in collaboration with companies. Even the low pay stereotypical jobs are Chinese chefs, waiters, laundromat, cleaners, and other hardworking jobs.
Chinese invented the Four Great Inventions 四大发明. Paper and Printing have made transcribing and transmission of knowledge much more faster and easier. The Compass made navigation easier, safer voyagers and bolder exploration by sailors. And Gunpowder has revolutionized the way battles are fought today. Besides gunpowder, ancient Chinese also invented the handcannon, handgrenade, fragmentation bomb, landmine, naval mines, exploding cannonballs, rocket launchers, multi-launch rocket systems and of course fireworks. There's even an ancient Chinese flamethrower capable of launching a continuous stream of flame, just like the one deployed in WW2 and Vietnam War.
What I'm saying is that Asians are in now way inferior to the West. Research has shown Asians to be among the most intelligent and diligent peoples, and people tend to stereotype Asians as hardworking, clever, good at math, good at engineering, good at computing, and so on. We Asians need to shrug off this inferior complex, imposed on us, and start treating ourselves as equals to the West and capable of achieving equally impressive feats.
We should not grow to become arrogant, but we should not sell ourselves short of what we're capable of achieving.
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@JohnBobb What makes you think Chinese people aren't free? Chinese people are free to travel overseas for work, study or play. I mean, Everyone has heard of Chinese tourists, visiting your lands and spending money on your economies. Your Western schools and universities are positively flooded with Chinese international students studying the same topic as their peers. Chinese companies like Huawei, Xiaomi, Oppo, ZTE, LENOVO, etc are expanding overseas and Chinese investors are buying up real estate in your countries.
Source: China has world's most outbound tourists nationmultimedia.com/detail/travel/30355861
China now world's biggest source of international students scmp.com/news/china/society/article/1797429/china-now-worlds-biggest-source-international-students-more
So what makes you think Chinese people aren't free? That China is locked up like North Korea? Chinese people can be virtually found all over the globe today, since we make up 20% of the world's population after all. Go to your neighborhood and how many Chinese nationals can you find in your country? Or go to your local university and ask your local students how they feel about the "Chinese competition."
I mean, when is the last time you stepped out and took a good look around?
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@akif5638 Indeed, Singapore has enjoyed immerse prosperity under PAP authoritian rule. So why waste money and time to on democracy? Why spend so much resources on elections polling the ordinary people in Singapore? You'll still choose PAP anyway so why bother? At least Singapore has smaller population than China, so you'll spend less money, but can you imagine China, the world's most populous country, spending all that time, money and effort to get our 1.4 billion population to vote? Why go through all that, when CCP is doing a great job governing China?
Like you loving your country, I love my country too. China was a dirt-poor, war-torn, starving country in the past, but under CCP leadership, China has transformed into world's 2nd largest economy, the world's factory (Made in China) having world's 2nd highest R&D spending, world's 3rd largest weapons exporter, protected by world's largest land army, the People's Liberation Army, funded by world's 2nd highest military expenditure.
And it has been achieved by authoritian single party CCP leadership. So why can't I make comparison to Singapore single party PAP rule?
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@JohnBobb So because Chinese government denies a couple of Canadians entry into China because of political reasons, suddenly means China is not free? If the Chinese government deems you a political threat to China, then why can't our government deny you entry? According to World Tourism Rankings, China is world's 4th most visited country after France, Spain and the United States, seeing some 60.7 million visitors in 2017
1. France (86.9 million)
2. Spain (81.8 million)
3. United States (76.9 million)
4. China (60.7 million)
5. Italy (58.3 million)
6. Mexico (39.3 million)
Source: World Tourism rankings wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Tourism_rankings
China is also the most visited Asian country, surpassing even Japan, Korea, Thailand, India, in number of visitors. So just because of few politically sensitive Canadians get denied entry into China, suddenly means China is not free? Every country have their own immigration laws and its not as though Chinese have been denied access into Canada for political reasons as well. Look at Canadian authorities arresting Huawei CFO (and the CEO's daughter) Meng Wanzhou, even though Meng did not break any Canadian laws while on Canadian soil.
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@JohnBobb Chinese students study in the West, because China has world's largest population so it's a possibility that not enough schools, not enough jobs, not enough resources for everyone in China. With such high student population, competition for top schools and higher education is fierce and intense here in China. Some students don't qualify for local university, so they may choose to study abroad (especially if their parents have $$$). If your Western universities choose not to accept school fees, then its their loss.
That's why your Western schools and universities are positively flooded with Chinese international students, competing with your local students in exams, for university places and even job offers when they graduate. If they can't find job in your country, they are always welcome to come back to China (thus, saving China the resources needed to train this student to university degree) as well as bringing in foreign knowledge and technology to our shores.
If they do get a job in your country, then they are depriving a local graduate of a job themselves, and if they rise to high position in corporate or government sector, they may get approached by CCP and possibly recruited as a spy in your country. Anti-Chinese sentiment in the West is also pushing some Chinese graduates to return to China, resulting in a sort of "reverse brain drain"
Whichever way you look at it, China wins.
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@JohnBobb "神州 Shenzhou Youtube keeps deleting what i wrote"
There you have it, YouTube actually has censorship of its own (sometimes, I can't post hyperlinks in certain forums) so what makes you think YT is free then? If you write certain sensitive posts on Chinese social media like Weibo or WeChat, then depending on the severity, your post might get taken down. But does that mean Chinese people can't talk normally or visit other countries and share different views?
You said: "Do you like your family? Would you like them to be free, or in jail? Simple question, easy answer."
Of course I love my family. And what's the meaning of your point about jail? By all accounts, it is America that has the world's largest prison incarceration rate and its prisons are so full and packed to overcapacity that US government sometimes release the inmates back on the streets in order to ease the overcrowded situation of its prisons.
Source: Wikipedia: List of countries by incarceration rate wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_incarceration_rate
So statistically speaking, aren't American families more likely to have a member serving jail time, than Chinese? So what exactly do you mean by "Would you like them to be free, or in jail?" Imprisonment is imprisonment for offending the law, whichever part of the world you are from, and America has the largest prison populations isn't it?
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@JohnBobb said "This is a hard topic, but why did you decide that China can only be successful if it's not democratic? Is a dog happy? It used to be a wolf once..."
China has 5000 years of history and is among the world's oldest 'continuous' civilization still alive today. China has always been under authoritarian rule (and we still are today) under the rule of emperors, so why should China adopt Western democracy then? Look at India, world's largest democracy and what makes you think that India is better off under democracy? Actually India enjoys several intrinsic advantages over China.
-India is word's 2nd most populous country, so its has comparable workforce to China's
-Many Indians speak English (more favorable for Westerners) while Chinese still struggle with English today.
-India is founding member of World Trade Organization in 1995, while China had a late entry in 2001
-India has better location, in between the East and the West, while China is in the Far East.
-Southern India has more shoreline (more favorable for ports) than Eastern China's shoreline
-India is democratic, China isn't.
Yet despite these advantages, China has long overtaken India in several areas.
-China is world's 2nd largest economy, India is world's 7th.
-China has world's 2nd highest military spending, India has world's 5th.
-China has world's 2nd highest research spending, while India is 6th.
-China has literacy rate of 96.4%, India has literacy rate of 72.1%.
-China has Global Hunger Index of 7.5(low) whereas India's is 31.4(serious)
-China is world's 3rd largest arms exporter. India is world's largest arms importer.
So what makes you think China should adopt Western democracy then? Look at India and it has literacy rate of 72.1%, which means over 25% of Indians are illiterate. Yet because of democracy, these illiterate Indians are allowed to vote in political decisions regarding the country's future? 1 in 4 people in India hasn't even attended school, so why allow them to vote in India's elections then?
China is returning back to our status as a "wolf" through our means, while India is remaining a "dog" of the West because Britain forced democracy onto their colonies.
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@feonor26 "神州 Shenzhou How? Not by force or by making it illegal or by bullying people."
What makes you think religion is illegal in China? China has nearly 200 million religious believers and more than 380,000 clerical personnel. The five major religions practiced in China are Buddhism, Taoism, Islam, Catholicism, and Protestantism. There are around 222,000 Buddhist clerical personnel and over 40,000 Taoist clerical personnel. There are around 20 million Muslims, with about 57,000 Islamic clerical personnel. Catholicism and Protestantism have 6 million and 38 million followers in China, respectively, with 8,000 and 57,000 clerical personnel.
There are approximately 5,500 religious groups in China, including seven national organizations which are Buddhist Association of China, Chinese Taoist Association, China Islamic Association, Chinese Catholic Patriotic Association, Bishops’ Conference of Catholic Church in China, National Committee of the Three-Self Patriotic Movement of the Protestant Churches in China, and China Christian Council.
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@feonor26 "神州 Shenzhou How? Not by force or by making it illegal or by bullying people."
What makes you think religion is illegal in China? China has nearly 200 million religious believers and more than 380,000 clerical personnel. The five major religions practiced in China are Buddhism, Taoism, Islam, Catholicism, and Protestantism. There are around 222,000 Buddhist clerical personnel and over 40,000 Taoist clerical personnel. There are around 20 million Muslims, with about 57,000 Islamic clerical personnel. Catholicism and Protestantism have 6 million and 38 million followers in China, respectively, with 8,000 and 57,000 clerical personnel.
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@feonor26 China has nearly 200 million religious believers and more than 380,000 clerical personnel. The five major religions practiced in China are Buddhism, Taoism, Islam, Catholicism, and Protestantism. There are around 222,000 Buddhist clerical personnel and over 40,000 Taoist clerical personnel. There are around 20 million Muslims, with about 57,000 Islamic clerical personnel. Catholicism and Protestantism have 6 million and 38 million followers in China, respectively, with 8,000 and 57,000 clerical personnel.
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@feonor26 There are approximately 5,500 religious groups in China, including seven national organizations which are Buddhist Association of China, Chinese Taoist Association, China Islamic Association, Chinese Catholic Patriotic Association, Bishops’ Conference of Catholic Church in China, National Committee of the Three-Self Patriotic Movement of the Protestant Churches in China, and China Christian Council.
At present, there are about 144,000 places of worship registered for religious activities in China, among which are 33,500 Buddhist temples (including 28,000 Han Buddhist temples, 3,800 Tibetan Buddhist lamaseries, and 1,700 Theravada Buddhist temples), 9,000 Taoist temples, 35,000 Islamic mosques, 6,000 Catholic churches and places of assembly spread across 98 dioceses, and 60,000 Protestant churches and places of assembly,
Yet you said: "神州 Shenzhou How? Not by force or by making it illegal or by bullying people."
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@feonor26 "神州 Shenzhou I know the Communist Party's views on religion. They want nothing but loyalty to The Party."
Is there something fundamentally wrong with being loyal to the communist party? Previously, China was once a dirt-poor, war-torn, starving country in the past, but fast forward till today and China has since transformed into the world's 2nd largest economy, the world's factory (everything's Made-in-China), having the world's 2nd largest R&D spending, protected by the world's largest land army, the People's Liberation Army, funded by the world's 2nd largest military spending.
And it's all been achieved under the communist party leadership, then can't the people of China choose the Party over religion? I mean, what has some nameless, faceless being up above ever did for China, as compared to the communist party?
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@feonor26 Earlier you wrote: "China still has an ideology called Communism where the a god has almost been replaced by the party leader."
Communist party leaders, both past and present (i.e Mao Zedong, Deng Xiaoping, Xi Jinping) have done much to contribute to China's growth, transforming our country from a once dirt-poor, war-torn starving nation, into a prosperous, economic juggernaut and growing scientific power today, whereas what has some nameless, faceless being ever done for China? Then honestly speaking, can't Chinese praise the actual deeds performed by real people, rather than some god that did nothing for China?
You told me that the proper method is to use debate, arguments and scientific reasoning, and those are the methods that I am employing. Communist leaders have enacted real tangible change in China as compared to nameless, faceless entities that did nothing for China.
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@feonor26 "When that party is authoritarian, power hungry and fundamentally anti-democratic then yes, it is wrong."
China has 5000 years of history and is among the world's oldest "continuous" civilization still alive today, whereas other ancient civilizations like Mesopotamia, Rome and Egypt have since succumbed to history. China has witnessed the birth and death of various other nations, the rise and fall of numerous other empires, yet China has survived the violent passage of time to modern times relatively intact, whereas even Rome eventually crumbled. China has always been under the authoritarian rule (and we still are today) of emperors and the imperial court, because that's how China has been successfully governed for millennia. Not all countries have to adopt Western democracy to be successful and China is living proof of this.
I meant, you told me that the proper method is to use debate, arguments and scientific reasoning, yet you're employing emotions not logic for your arguments.
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@feonor26 Chairman Mao is the founding father of the People's Republic of China 🇨🇳 and he succeeded in the herculean task of reunifying our divided country where the previous Nationalist Kuomintang failed during the Republic of China 🇹🇼 (1912-1949) period for 37 years. When Dr Sun Zhongshan overthrew the previous Qing Dynasty China and established "democratic" Republic of China was divided into several areas, we lost control of Tibet, and various warlords ruled different parts of China and even Japan invaded China twice during this weak period of Chinese history. Dr. Sun tried to get help from the Western powers, but they laughed at the thought of China copying their democracy. They even gave away the Shandong province (which had been occupied by the Germans during WWI) to Japan, instead of returning it to China (even when China was part of the Allies during WWI). In the end, Dr. Sun died without ever realising a unified China under democracy.
But then Mao Zedong came along, and he accomplished what the ROC could not, and reunifed China under communism, proclaiming the People's Republic of China in 1949 and Tibet was finally returned back to China in 1951. If not for Mao Zedong, China today would still be weak and divided country, fighting among ourselves, instead of the strong unified country we are today.
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@dave_sic1365 Those people starved to death because of the Great Chinese Famine, which was caused by bad weather conditions like flood and drought, causing destruction of crops and resulting in poor harvests and mass starvation. Even Chairman Mao couldn't possibly control the weather isn't it? And even if he somehow could, he would have wished for fair weather and bountiful harvests, because his objective is to make China strong enough to resist foreign imperialism.
And what makes you think Chinese culture is destroyed? China has many historical monuments like The Great Wall of China, the Forbidden City, The Qin Emperor Tomb (China's First Emperor), the Terracotta Army, The Grand Canal (world's longest artificial river). If you look up list of UNESCO World Heritage Sites, China actually ranks 2nd in the world after Italy.
Countries by number of UNESCO World Heritage Sites as of July 2021
1. Italy (58 sites)
2. China (56 sites)
3. Germany (51 sites)
4. France (49 sites)
5. Spain (49 sites)
6. India (40 sites)
7. Mexico (35 sites)
8. United Kingdom (33 sites)
9. Russia (30 sites)
10. Iran (26 sites)
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Source: UNESCO World Heritage
So unless you are Italian yourself, then China literally has more UNESCO World Heritage Sites than even your own country! Yet you're claiming Chinese culture is destroyed?
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@feonor26 You said: "Your culture today is nowhere near the culture of ancient China."
A bold assumption. Have you actually been to China and experienced Chinese culture for yourself here? Chinese celebrate many traditional cultures and festivals, like for example, Spring Festival (Chinese New Year), Qingming (Tomb Sweeping) Festival, Dragon Boat Festival, Lantern Festival, Mid-Autumn Festival, Double Ninth (Chinese Valentine's Day) Festival, which are long ago festivals that are still celebrated today in China.
You said: "The culture you have today is a product of Mao's communism. That dude almost destroyed your country."
China's current political system (under President Xi and the Communist Party of China) closely emulates the ancient Chinese system of governance under the Emperor and the Imperial Court. And what makes you think Chinese history and culture is destroyed? China has many historical monuments like for example, the The Great Wall of China, the Forbidden City, The Qin Emperor Tomb (China's First Emperor), the Terracotta Army, The Grand Canal (world's longest artificial river). If you look up list of UNESCO World Heritage Sites, China actually ranks 2nd in the world after Italy.
Countries by number of UNESCO World Heritage Sites as of July 2021
1. Italy (58 sites)
2. China (56 sites)
3. Germany (51 sites)
4. France (49 sites)
5. Spain (49 sites)
6. India (40 sites)
7. Mexico (35 sites)
8. United Kingdom (33 sites)
9. Russia (30 sites)
10. Iran (26 sites)
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Source: UNESCO World Heritage
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@feonor26 You said: "Your culture today is nowhere near the culture of ancient China."
A bold assumption. Have you actually been to China and experienced Chinese culture for yourself here? Chinese celebrate many traditional cultures and festivals, like for example, Spring Festival (Chinese New Year), Qingming (Tomb Sweeping) Festival, Dragon Boat Festival, Lantern Festival, Mid-Autumn Festival, Double Ninth (Chinese Valentine's Day) Festival, which are long ago festivals that are still celebrated today in China.
You said: "The culture you have today is a product of Mao's communism. That dude almost destroyed your country."
China's current political system (under President Xi and the Communist Party of China) closely emulates the ancient Chinese system of governance under the Emperor and the Imperial Court. And what makes you think Chinese history and culture is destroyed? China has many historical monuments like for example, the The Great Wall of China, the Forbidden City, The Qin Emperor Tomb (China's First Emperor), the Terracotta Army, The Grand Canal (world's longest artificial river). If you look up list of UNESCO World Heritage Sites, China actually ranks 2nd in the world after Italy.
Countries by number of UNESCO World Heritage Sites as of July 2021
1. Italy (58 sites)
2. China (56 sites)
3. Germany (51 sites)
4. France (49 sites)
5. Spain (49 sites)
6. India (40 sites)
7. Mexico (35 sites)
8. United Kingdom (33 sites)
9. Russia (30 sites)
10. Iran (26 sites)
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Source: UNESCO World Heritage wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Heritage_Site#Countries_with_15_or_more_sites
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@CoolidgeGaming Modern China was built by the sweat, blood, tears and sacrifice of Chinese people and the government, to turn a dirt-poor, war-torn, starving country, similar to India (world's largest democracy) in the past, into an economic juggernaut today, the world's factory (Made in China) a growing scientific and innovative power, protected by world's largest land army, the People's Liberation Army and China today has strong global presence as well as being influential player of world politics.
The Chinese Communist Party is not perfect (then again, which government body is?) but despite its initial failures and setbacks, under its leadership, China's population doubled, our lifespans doubled, our literacy rates doubled and our poverty rates plummeted. The graph below shows life-expectencies across China, India, Europe and USA.
Life Expectancy at Birth in China, Europe, USA and India china-profile.com/data/fig_WPP2010_L0_Boths.htm
And its all been achieved under CCP leadership.
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@chaospilot2142 said "I mean what have people like you ever done to help humanity? You only make the world worse."
China today is not at war with any country, since our last major conflict in 1979. Instead of making war, China is investing in developing countries like Sri Lanka, Nepal, Bangladesh, Pakistan, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Tajikistan, and also African countries like Nigeria, Kenya, Chad, Sudan, Mozambique, Tanzania, Ghana, etc.
Whereas the United States is warmonger, being involved in Gulf War, Iraq War, Afghan War, Libyan War, Syrian War, etc, even in the 21st century. The USA is enacting regime change by bombing those countries and cutting off their "heads" (Saddam Hussein, Muammar Gadaffi, etc) and then installing their own US puppet governments in place. Now USA is eyeing Assad of Syria, and Maduro of Venezuela for regime change.
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@chaospilot2142 The US response to dealing with terrorism is to bomb those countries (Iraq War, Afghan War) and this destroys civilian lives and property, leaving families broken, homeless, jobless and harboring resentment against their own government or the USA, that's why they flock to join the terrorists cause. Al Qaeda was once CIA trained but rebelled against their masters after seeing what USA did to the Middle East. Even ISIS is said to be have been born because of US warmongering. This does not solve the problem, since when one terrorist cell is eradicated, another just pops up in its place.
China's approach is different. People join the terrorists because they are uneducated, jobless, wanting to feed their families and so on, so China invest in Pakistan to help build up its economy, provide jobs to people, help stabilize Pakistan government and lift more people out of poverty. The terrorists will find a shrinking pool of potential terrorists recruits, because people are able to find work, and develop their country, thus steering themselves away from terrorism.
Only time will tell if China's method will be successful or not in Pakistan, but the point is, US's method to dealing with terrorism clearly does not work. Why not try something different, instead of repeating the same method again and again, and expecting it to solve the problem? This is the definition of insanity.
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@chaospilot2142 The reason why N. Korea is poor today, is because it is still at war with USA, and USA slap crippling sanctions on DPRK. China wants to do more business with DPRK and to invest in its economy to open it up to the rest of the world, but we can't do anything big with the US sanctions in place. Nobody can do big business with DPRK while it's still technically at war with USA, because the war can always resume anytime.
It was revealed in 2016 that North Korea approached the United States about conducting formal peace talks to formally end the war. But USA rejected signing a peace treaty, because then, the Korean war will end, investors will start being able to invest in DPRK and the country will finally start to modernize. Even some Americans businessmen like Jim Rogers wanted to invest in DPRK, but can't do so because USA forbid American companies from working with North Korea.
"I'm a citizen of the Land of the Free, and I cannot invest in your country (North Korea)" - Jim Rogers, American businessman and financial commentator
Video: Trump is making China great again: Jim Rogers youtube.com/watch?v=D4Kk6miiymk&t=100
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@chaospilot2142 When Korea was divided into North Korea (USSR) and South Korea (USA), it was actually communist North Korea that had greater economic wealth than South Korea. South Korea's was dirt-poor, its per capita income was only US$72.00, and lower than even some Sub-Saharan African countries. North Korea was actually the greater economic and military power on the peninsula due to the North's history of heavy industries such as the power and chemical plants, and the large amounts of economic, technical and financial aid it received from other communist bloc countries such as the Soviet Union, East Germany and China.
The reason why South Korea is so powerful today, is because it enjoys the benefits of US protection. Unlike North Korea, South Korea is not at war with USA, and USA pump funds into S. Korea to develop its economy. It has US military bases stationed in South Korean soil, so S. Korea don't have to spend so much money on defense budget, whereas China has zero military based in North Korea, so DPRK has to fork out money to build up its military. While S. Korea can allocate more funds from its defense to spend on its economy.
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@chaospilot2142 What's up with your obsession of China censoring the word "Freedom?" I mean, Chinese people are free to travel overseas for work, study or play. Everybody in the world has heard of Chinese tourists, visiting your lands and spending money on your economies. Your Western schools and universities are positively flooded with Chinese international students, studying the same topics as their peers. Chinese businesses like Huawei, Xiaomi, Lenovo, Oppo, ZTE, etc are expanding overseas, and Chinese investors are buying up property in your lands.
Yet you are seemingly obsessed with Chinese censoring the world "Freedom"? Chinese people can be found literally everywhere in the globe today, since we make up 20% of the world's population after all.
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@chaospilot2142 Because so many people only seem to harbor only negative image of China. Why are you so obsessed to paint China and the CCP in a negative light? And a negative light only? Everything has both good and bad, and its not good to only focus on the bad. So I thought I help enlighten other people by pointing out some of China's achievements. I mean, you people s**t on China all day, then similarly, can't I talk about China's achievements?
The Chinese Communist Party is not perfect (then again, which government body is?) but despite its initial failures and setbacks, under its leadership, China's eventually population doubled, our lifespans doubled, our literacy rates doubled and our poverty rates plummeted. The graph below shows life-expectencies across China, India, Europe and USA.
Life Expectancy at Birth in China, Europe, USA and India china-profile.com/data/fig_WPP2010_L0_Boths.htm
China was once dirt-poor, war-torn, starving country, similar to India (world's largest democracy) in the past, but today, China has since transformed into world's 2nd largest economy, the world's factory (Made in China), the world's 3rd largest arms exporter, having world's 2nd highest R&D spending, protected by world's largest land army, the People's Liberation Army and funded by world's 2nd highest military expenditure.
And its all achieved under CCP leadership. So why can't I give credit where credit is due?
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@chaospilot2142 Which of my post have been lies and misinformation? I cite sources to support my points where possible and instead of attacking my points, you resort to calling me a liar?
Taiwan's rise was because it was under authoritarian single-party Kuomintang rule, for more than half its entire life! For decades, the KMT ruled Taiwan with iron fist, and KMT leader Chiang kai-shek was a dictator who jailed and executed dissidents and political rivals (whether real or perceived) in a period known as White Terror (白色恐怖) and he imposed martial law on Taiwan for more than 38 years, which was qualified as "the longest imposition of martial law by a regime anywhere in the world" at that time.
But under authoritarian KMT rule, Taiwan rapidly flourished and modernized in what's known as "Taiwan Miracle" Between 1952 and 1982, Taiwan's economic growth was on average 8.7%, and between 1983 and 1986 at 6.9%. Taiwan GDP grew by 360% between 1965 and 1986 and the percentage of global exports was over 2% in 1986, over other recently industrialized countries, and the global industrial production output grew a further 680% between 1965 and 1986. And it was all achieved under authoritarian single-party KMT leadership.
But with economic reforms came increasing pressure for political reforms and USA threaten to cut off weapons sales to Taiwan if KMT did not introduce democracy, so in the end, Taiwan became an democracy and its economic growth is in a slump today, wages are stagnant, cost of living is rising and many Taiwan graduates are seeking employment opportunities overseas, such as in the mainland or in Singapore.
So why should China adopt democracy then? Because Westerners say so? China is flourishing under authoritarian CCP rule so why is there a need to introduce democracy then?
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+AM Life Why spreading "democracy" is considered something good, if it has led to various wars in Korea, Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan, etc? Russia and China are considered meddling in global affairs, when USA is the one spreading "democracy" and sending warships and bombers halfway across the world to wage war in Middle East and Asia? Our countries ARE in Asia, whereas the USA isn't, so what is America's business when its mainland is not threatened across the Pacific Ocean? Russia and China at least have a vested interest in peace and stability in Asia, not the USA.
France, Germany, Scandinavia, Canada, Australia, exactly how are those countries several times better than China and Russia in every aspect? Do those countries have world's 2nd largest economy like China? Do those countries have world's 2nd and 3rd defense spending, like China and Russia? Are those countries willing to stand up against the USA when they believe that USA should not interfere in Syria, Afghanistan and Middle East, or are they just US puppets that agree to whatever demands America wants? Exactly how are these countries going to "balance" against USA, if they are helpless against whatever action US takes? For example in 2004, UN General Secretary of State, Kofi Annan had called the US invasion of Iraq "illegal," but President Bush still went ahead invade Iraq on suspicion of WMD, but found nothing in the end.
You act like every country has to follow democracy to be successful, but why can't Russia and China follow our own governing systems, if they have worked out for our countries? Nobody said everyone in the world has to follow Western democracy, so why is USA spreading "democracy" and meddling in affairs in Eurasia, from across the Pacific Ocean?
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@owen coleman How exactly is China more evil than USA? China today is not at war with any country and instead of making war on others (like what USA is doing in Middle East) China is building infrastructure like roads, railways, highways, bridges, ports, airports, dams, powerstations in less developed countries like Pakistan, Sri Lanka, Nepal and also African countries like Nigeria, Kenya, Angola, etc. Nobody force those countries to borrow loans from Chinese banks if they don't want to. Western banks like IMF refuse to grant them loans, because these countries are plagued by unstable governments, social unrest and civil wars. That's why Chinese banks charge higher interest rates because of the higher risks involved.
About surveillance state, don't Westerners often complain that Chinese people are rude, spit in public, smoke in public, jaywalk, disobey traffic rules, speed past red lights, etc, when not all Chinese are like that? China is introducing Social Credit System to discourage such unsavoury behaviour and penalise people who exhibit such behaviour. If they persist until their scores falls too low, then they will be barred from buying plane tickets to fly to other countries and make nuisance of themselves overseas. At least until their scores improve to become acceptable for them to travel again.
And do you have any accurate source about organs being illegally harvested in China? If so, then why nobody step forward and present evidence to International Court of Justice for example? Did President Trump ever mention organ harvesting in China to President Xi? Or did Russian President Putin? Or German Chancellor Merkel? Or British PM May? Or Indian PM Modi? Or Japanese PM Abe?
Then why do still believe such rumors of organ harvesting in China?
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@owen coleman I've read your source and according to the report by David Kilgour, David Matas and Ethan Gutmann and according to the report, they claim that China reported 10,000 organ transplantation when it was actually 100,000 organ transplants. Where did they get the evidence for such a bloated figure? According to World Health Organization, there were an an estimated 135,860 organ transplants worldwide in 2016 alone
Source: Estimated number of organ transplantations worldwide in 2016 statista.com/statistics/398645/global-estimation-of-organ-transplantations/
So you mean Kilgour and Gutmann just exaggerate the number of organ transplants in China from 10,000 to 100,000 (which is almost as much as the rest of the world combined!) and you just believe them at their word? Where does China get all the doctors, surgeons, and hospitals to host as many organ transplants as rest of the world put together?
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@owen coleman Falun Dafa is illegal in China and is punishable by the death penalty. If you claim to have sufficient evidence, then why is it no world leader (like Donald Trump, Vladimir Putin, Angela Merkel, Theresa May, Narendra Modi, Shinzo Abe, etc) has ever mentioned organ harvesting in China to Xi Jinping?
It's because the organ harvest are all unproven rumors, that's why world leaders aren't bringing it up during UN discussions and summits, etc. Otherwise, if you have enough evidence then you are welcome to take China to court on this matter. If not, then why continue to believe such rumors spread by Falun Gong?
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@owen coleman Westerners also made use of Chinese inventions like paper, gunpowder and compass. Ancient Chinese had the Four Great Inventions 四大发明 which have greatly influenced rest of the world. Paper and Printing made the recording and transmission of knowledge much easier. The Compass made navigation much easier and dangerous journeys more safer and reliable. And Gunpowder has greatly changed the way modern wars are fought.
But do Chinese people complain about Westerners using our inventions?
And about poverty in China, according to World Bank, China’s poverty rate fell from 88% in 1981 to a mere 6.5% in 2012. According to UNESCO, adult literacy rate of China increased from 65.5% in 1982 to a whopping 96.4% in 2015 growing at an average annual rate of 10.39%. This is an impressive feat considering that China is world's most populous country, yet attaining 6.5% poverty and 96.4% literacy rate.
Source: Poverty in China wikipedia.org/wiki/Poverty_in_China
Falun Dafa was founded in 1992 (only 27 years ago) by Li Hongzhi and it hijacked existing practices from established religions like Taoism and Buddhism, and also traditional Chinese Qigong practices. This should already sound off alarm bells that Falun Dafa is a cult, not an actual religion. I mean, my parents are older than even this so-called "religion."
And how exactly does China perform 100,000 organ transplants annually, given that the rest of the world performs about 130,000 organ transplants annually? You mean China performs almost as many transplants as the rest of the world combined? Where does China get all the doctors, surgeons, operating rooms, etc, to perform such bloated number of transplants? That Kilgour and Gutmann report just exaggerate transplants in China from 10,000 to 100,000 and you just believe their words like that?
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@boingenchomp Peng Shuai has wrote an email to WTA explaining that the allegations of sexual assault aren't true and she also criticized the WTA for releasing what it claimed was unverified information about Peng without her consent. And what genocide of Uighurs are you talking about? The population of Uighurs in China has actually tripled in size from 3 million in 1953 to 11 million in 2020.
Population of Uighurs in China according to ethnic group in censuses 1953–2020
1953: 3,640,125
1964: 3,996,311
1982: 5,917,030
1990: 7,207,024
2000: 8,399,393
2010: 10,069,346
2020: 11,774,538
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@surp99 What do you know about the social credit system? In the past, many foreigners often complain Chinese people spit in public, smoke in non-smoking areas, jump queues, disobey traffic rules, jay walk, drive on wrong side of the road, speed through red lights, etc when not all Chinese people are like that. We Chinese feel embarrassed that such bad people represent China overseas, so the government is designing a social credit system to discourage such bad behaviour and promote better behaviour instead. If successful, this will be meritocratic system where good behaviour is rewarded and bad behaviour penalised.
But if such people persist with bad behaviour, until their scores fall to become unacceptable, then they will be barred from purchasing plane tickets to fly out of China and make nuisances of themselves overseas. At least until their scores improve until it becomes acceptable for them to travel again.
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@surp99 You said: "I thought they were working class citizens from China but apparently they were from a prestigious university in China."
What's the name of this prestigious university in China that those Chinese tourists are from?
"While Singapore/Malaysia is open to cultural influences from the East and the West, its Chinese culture is unlike that of China. The three countries do not mirror each other culturally and China’s ability to transplant the Singapore/Malaysian experience is therefore not predicated on cultural elements."
I disagree. I've seen some examples of Singapore/Malaysia Chinese tourist who exhibit bad behavior before, such as complaining about delays, stealing hotel soap and shampoo, taking away food from the buffet counter, and other unsavory behavior. I am aware mainland Chinese tourists also exhibit such behavior, this is typical of tourists from a poor starving country (like Singapore was in the past) but with development comes better tourist behaviors.
"Most Mainland Chinese feel that the overseas Chinese community are merely “separated” from their China motherland. They believe the overseas Chinese continue to feel for China and have an urge to return, that these are “emigrants” who harbour a longing for home."
This viewpoint is not only shared by some mainland Chinese, but even some of the indigenous people of Malaysia feel the same why. I mean, just look at former Malaysian PM Tun Dr Mahathir Mohamad, he remarked that Chinese Malaysian eat with chopsticks, not with their hands like the "Malaysian way". This is the gist of what Dr Mahathir said:
"The Chinese eat with chopsticks, they don’t eat with their hands. They have not adopted the Malaysian way of eating food. They retained the chopstick, which is an identity from China, not Malaysia, and many other things" - Former Malaysian PM Tun Dr Mahathir Mohamad.
I mean, lets get this straight, China does not force the Chinese in Malaysia/Singapore to follow Chinese culture, they choose to do so of their own accord, then how can you blame Chinese mainlanders for having this view?
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@surp99 "神州 Shenzhou You really think Mahathir is loved by everyone in Malaysia? Hell he's a laughing stock in Malaysia anyway so most of the minorities in Malaysia including myself are siding with the Chinese and felt the comment was kinda bizzare."
He's the former Prime Minister of Malaysia for crying out loud, and since Malaysia is a democracy, that means he was elected into power by majority of votes by the people of Malaysia, then can't I quote his remarks? You're part of the minority, but in a Western-style democracy, the majority matters isn't it? That means majority of Dr Mahathir do share the same sentiments when he claimed Chinese eat with chopsticks, not with hands like the Malaysian way.
And again, China never point a gun at Chinese Malaysians/Singaporeans and force them to use chopsticks or adopt Chinese culture, they choose to do so of their own accord, then how is mainland Chinese to blame for this perception? If you think Chinese Malaysians/Singaporeans experience is not predicated on cultural elements, then don't borrow such cultural elements from China then.
Also, you mentioned a story about Chinese tourists supposedly being from a prestigious university in China, then what's the name of this prestigious university? Since you said it's prestigious then I should be able to know which university in China you are referring to.
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@surp99 "Hell, do you honestly think most of the Chinese citizen supports the government"
Why is it inconceivable to you that majority of Chinese citizens support the government in China? Previously, China was once a dirt-poor, war-torn, starving country in the past, but fast forward till today and China has since transformed into the world's 2nd largest economy, the world's factory (Made-in-China) having world's 2nd largest R&D spending, protected by world's largest land army, the People's Liberation Army, funded by the world's 2nd largest military spending.
And it's all been achieved under communist party leadership, despite Western anti-communist propaganda constantly denouncing China's success all along. As long as the CPC is able to deliver economic growth for China, why is it unfathomable to you that majority of the people of China support the CPC?
"especially with the case of Peng Shuai. Since she said that the sexual assault wasn't true, isn't that defamation or false accusation? That's a serious crime right there. But I don't see any punishment of any sort going her way? Why is that?"
I read Peng Shuai's original post (you can find the translated version on Reddit) and she has had a rocky, on-and-off relationship with a much older man, an affair that spanned several years, and while she was emotional in her post, I do not see any allegations of sexual assault, so what punishment is there to mete out to Peng Shuai?
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Also, since you brought up your experience with those Chinese tourists who were from a prestigious university in China, then what's the name of this university in China? I should be able to know the university you are referring to, if it is prestigious.
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@surp99 "神州 Shenzhou this was a long time ago so around mid 2019 and it had a like red whitish logo that looks like a tree or somethin but either it's Peking"
Where was this logo located? Is it possible that some people just acquired Peking University branded clothing but not that they'd actually been to Peking University itself?
"I doubt you or I will find anything as this was an isolated incident and not really mentioned in the media anyways."
If you claim it's an isolated incident, then there's no way to verify whether your story is the truth. It's just anecdotal evidence after all. The thing is that from my experience, I find many overseas Chinese from Malaysia and Singapore tend to (generally) look down on Chinese mainlanders. But Singapore and Malaysia Chinese were once poor immigrants themselves, they worked hard to succeed, but when Chinese mainlander does the same, they still look down on us.
"The thing I don't understand is why Peng Shuai isn't punished. Even if she didn't specify she wasn't sexualy assaulted, she clearly posted that as an ulterior motive to make him look bad."
Maybe she was already secretly punished behind the scenes. Maybe she realized her mistake and took down the post, and she made a private apology of some sort. Whatever it is, to me this is their own internal affair, it's not my place (or any third party) to tell them how to resolve this issue. The problem arises when the 2022 Beijing Olympics is just round the corner, and the WTA is trying to policitise the issue in order to possibly get more countries to consider boycotting the Olympics in Beijing.
"I don't even know how she manages to act like nothing is going on."
Right now, I think Peng Shuai is emotional after her outburst through her post, and frankly speaking, she should take some time off to sort out her personal affairs, lay low for a while until this all eventually blows over. Sports is important yes, but mental health and well-being is more important for her.
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@surp99 You're an Indian Malaysian right? I find that back when China was a dirt-poor, war-torn, starving country in the past, many overseas Chinese in Malaysia/Singapore feel ashamed of their homeland's weakness, and especially overseas Chinese in USA, UK, Canada, Australia, and other Western countries, they feel very ashamed when China is weak, so they support the Western anti-China narrative. But now that China has gotten much better, some overseas Chinese are beginning to feel proud of their homeland's rise, but many still vehemently deny their connections to their homeland.
I wonder if this is the same for Indian Malaysians like you, that they feel some sort of shame for India's current status that they want little to do with their homeland and more to do with their host country like Malaysia in your case.
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@Y0U54F786 Firstly, we are talking about Islam many years ago, and Islamic invaders forced the natives of lands they converted to Islam. Muslims are told to fight unbelievers until they are either dead, converted to Islam, or in a permanent state of subjugation under Muslim domination. Allowing people of other faiths to live and worship independently of Islamic rule is not an option. Source: https://www.thereligionofpeace.com/pages/quran/forced-conversion.aspx
Quran (8:38-39) - “Say to those who have disbelieved, if they cease (from disbelief) their past will be forgiven... And fight them until there is no more Fitnah (disbelief and polytheism: i.e. worshipping others besides Allah) and the religion (worship) will all be for Allah Alone [in the whole of the world ]. But if they cease (worshipping others besides Allah), then certainly, Allah is All-Seer of what they do.”
Quran (9:29) - "Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued."
Quran (9:5) "But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the Pagans wherever ye find them, and seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war); but if they repent, and establish regular prayers and practice regular charity, then open the way for them..."
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@UCYGUIgoNdes5wabpmODQvyg China is imparting positive Chinese values to Uighurs, such as being studious and industrious, by providing free education and training them in skills necessary for the workplace. And Xinjiang was China's territory before Islam was even born, and even today, Xinjiang is recognized as part of China's territory. For example, if you draw the Map of People's Republic of China, territories like Xinjiang, Tibet, Inner Mongolia, Hong Kong, etc, are located within China's borders.
So why can't China deal with issues within our borders? Look at the West, and it is estimated that some 4,000 people have left their homes in the West to migrate to ISIS. Many have become jihadist fighters in the apparent hope of achieving martyrdom. So why can't China take immediate action to cull the extremist tendencies in Uighurs? China is helping reducing the number of potential recruits to terrorist groups by doing this
I really don't care if you love China or hate China personally. China is China, not your country, so what makes you think you know the best way to govern China then? Why do you seek to impose Western values onto China, when China is not the West?
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Sancha Mezz According to World Tourism Rankings, as of 2015, China is the 4th most visited country in the world, after France, United States, and Spain, seeing some 62.9 million international tourists in 2018.
Source: World Tourism Rankings wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Tourism_rankings
China is also the most popular tourist destination in Asia, seeing more tourists than Japan, Korea, India, Thailand, Singapore, etc.
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@pashakamaal236 The Mongols are always welcome to try and reclaim China if they want today. Genghis Khan killed so many people during his conquest of China (and also much of Eurasia) and the Mongols knew nothing of governance. Who grows the food necessary to feed the empire? The Mongols were nomadic tribesmen who lived off the land and simply moved to better pastures when times are lean. It was the Han Chinese farmers who worked hard to grow food and feed the empire.
Who plans the towns and built buildings in the empire? The Mongols were nomadic and lived in tents (called yurts) so they know nothing about permanent housing. It was the Han architects and builders that built permanent housing and planned the towns. Who ensures that the day-to-day affairs of the empire is kept running smoothly? The Mongols know nothing about bureaucracy and running an empire, so it was up to the Han bureaucrats to ensure that the empire was running smoothly, taxes were collected, etc.
The Mongols were barbarians who only knew how to fight, pillage food grown by farmers, burn villages, destroy people's lives, ruin priceless works of art, and violate women. It's estimated that 1 in every 200 men in the world today are descended from Genghis Khan, which is testament to the fecundity of the Mongols.
And for what, when they don't know how to hold onto territory they conquered?
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@vipulsrivastava1856 In the field of Architecture, Medical and Astrophysics, everyone heard of the famous Great Wall of China built by Chinese architects. Chinese architecture has influenced the architectural styles of Japan, Korea, Vietnam, etc and the distinctive "curved roof" style of Chinese temples, pavilions and pagodas is iconic of Asian architecture.
Video: Great Wall of China: Jinshanling to Simatai in 4K (Ultra HD) youtu.be/OEbZ5Y-sxAo
The Forbidden City in Beijing is an excellent demonstration of Chinese architecture, and was the seat of the Imperial Emperor from the Ming Dynasty. The Forbidden City is the largest palace in the world as well as the most visited palace, surpassing even Western palaces by sheer volume of visitors.
Video: Forbidden City, Beijing, China in 4K (Ultra HD) youtu.be/R9vcSWb6mug
Video: Forbidden City From Above - The Largest Palace in the World youtu.be/6eGjDiO7Kzc
About Chinese medical advancements, there's Traditional Chinese Medicine that is based on more than 3500 years of Chinese medical practice. Chinese acupuncture is also famous and been used for thousands of years to treat ailments.
About Chinese astrophysics, Chinese astronomers kept detailed records of astronomical observations. For example, the supernova that created the Crab Nebula was first recorded by Chinese astronomers in 1054, but wasn't recorded by European astronomers. The world's first star catalogue was made by Gan De, a Chinese astronomer in the 4th century BC.
Source: History of Astronomy wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_astronomy#China
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@vipulsrivastava1856 About Chinese Musical Instruments, besides the Chinese zither, there is also the Chinese Bamboo Flute, Dizi (笛子) whose notes are distinctive of East Asia. Just listening to the sound the Chinese Bamboo Flute makes, conjures images of the picturesque Chinese landscape, bamboo forests, misty mountains shrouded by clouds, cascading curtains of waterfalls, the occasional Chinese pavilion, and other images of Asia.
Video: Dizi Chinese Bamboo Flute - Painted Heart youtu.be/-SyI0VvaKhA?t=28
Video: Endless Love - Bamboo Flute youtu.be/WwSoOVmO4gk?t=55
Video: Beautiful Chinese Music - Tranquil Departure - Bamboo Flute youtu.be/8GV7bzn5QoYt=30
Video: Beautiful Chinese Music - Bamboo Flute youtu.be/-5qhNRmMilI
Archaeologists have discovered evidence suggesting that the simple transverse flutes have been present in China for over 9,000 years. Fragments of bone flutes from this period are still playable today, and are remarkably similar to modern versions in terms of hole placement, etc. The Jiahu neolithic site in central Henan province of China has yielded flutes dating back to 7,000 BC - 5,000 BC that could represent the earliest playable instruments ever found.
Video: If Treasures Could Talk, What would China's Jia Hu Bone Flute say? youtu.be/NMLB-yy7AOc
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@vipulsrivastava1856 About Chinese Architecture, the Forbidden City in Beijing is the most visited palace in the world, surpassing even the Western palaces by sheer volume of visitors at over 17 million.
List of most visited palaces and monuments by City and Number of visitors
1. Forbidden City (China, 17,000,000+ visitors)
2. Palace of Versailes (France, 8,100,000 visitors)
3. Lincoln Memorial (USA, 7,804,683 visitors)
4. Coliseum (Italy, 7,650,519 visitors)
5. Parthenon (Greece, 7,200,000 visitors)
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Source: List of most visited palaces and monuments wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_most_visited_palaces_and_monuments#List
Besides the Forbidden City, the Summer Palace (颐和园) in Beijing is famous for its Chinese architecture, Chinese gardens, lakes and was declared by UNESCO World Heritage as "a masterpiece of Chinese landscape garden design. The natural landscape of hills and open water is combined with artificial features such as pavilions, halls, palaces, temples and bridges to form a harmonious ensemble of outstanding aesthetic value".
But don't take my word for it, here's some beautiful footage of the Summer Palace in Beijing.
Video: Beautiful Summer Palace, Beijing youtu.be/dQHPb-NJCXk?t=140
Video: Summer Palace, Beijing, China in HD youtu.be/H8Ek76soHfY
Besides the famous Great Wall of China, there's another marvel of Chinese engineering and architecture in the form of the Grand Canal (world's oldest and longest artificial river). Starting at Beijing, it passes through Tianjin and the provinces of Hebei, Shandong, Jiangsu and Zhejiang to the city of Hangzhou, linking the Yellow River and Yangtze River.
Video: China's Grand Canal in foreigners Eyes youtu.be/Xr35Y0nKbzM
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@vipulsrivastava1856 About Medical advances in China, ancient Chinese physicians invented the world's first inoculation for smallpox.
The earliest hints of the practice of inoculation for smallpox in China come during the 10th century. The Chinese also practiced the oldest documented use of variolation, dating back to the fifteenth century. They implemented a method of "nasal insufflation" administered by blowing powdered smallpox material, usually scabs, up the nostrils. Various insufflation techniques have been recorded throughout the sixteenth and seventeenth centuries within China.
Source: Vaccines wikipedia.org/wiki/Vaccine#History
A Song dynasty (960–1279) chancellor of China, Wang Dan (957–1017), lost his eldest son to smallpox and sought a means to spare the rest of his family from the disease, so he summoned physicians, wise men, and magicians from all across the empire to convene at the capital in Kaifeng and share ideas on how to cure patients of it until a divine man from Mount Emei carried out inoculation.
Source: Inoculation wikipedia.org/wiki/Inoculation#China
The first clear and credible reference to smallpox inoculation in China comes from Wan Quan's (1499–1582) Douzhen Xinfa 《痘疹心法》 of 1549, which states that some women unexpectedly menstruate during the procedure, yet his text did not give details on techniques of inoculation.[4] Inoculation was first vividly described by Yu Chang in his book Yuyi cao 《寓意草》, or Notes on My Judgment, published in 1643. Inoculation was reportedly not widely practiced in China until the reign of the Longqing Emperor (r. 1567–1572) during the Ming dynasty (1368–1644), as written by Yu Tianchi in his Shadou Jijie 《痧痘集解》 of 1727, which he alleges was based on Wang Zhangren's Douzhen Jinjing Lu 《痘疹金鏡錄》 of 1579.
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@vipulsrivastava1856 It is not confirmed that Bodhidarma is South Indian Monk. According to the principal Chinese sources, Bodhidharma came from the Western Regions which refers to Central Asia so there is a possibility that Bodhidarma is a "Persian Central Asian."
The Western Regions was a historical name specified in the Chinese chronicles between the 3rd century BC to the 8th century AD that referred to the regions west of Yumen Pass, most often Central Asia or sometimes more specifically the easternmost portion of it (e.g. Altishahr or the Tarim Basin in southern Xinjiang).
Source: Bodhidarma wikipedia.org/wiki/Bodhidharma#Principal_sources
The earliest text mentioning Bodhidharma is The Record of the Buddhist Monasteries of Luoyang 《洛陽伽藍記》 (Luòyáng Qiélánjì) which was compiled in 547 by Yáng Xuànzhī (楊衒之), a writer and translator of Mahayana sutras into Chinese. Yang gave the following account:
At that time there was a monk of the Western Region named Bodhidharma, a Persian Central Asian.
And it was a Myth that Bodhidarma created Shaolin Kung-fu. Traditionally Bodhidharma is credited as founder of the martial arts at the Shaolin Temple. However, martial arts historians have shown this legend stems from a 17th-century qigong manual known as the Yijin Jing. The preface of this work says that Bodhidharma left behind the Yi Jin Jing, from which the monks obtained the fighting skills which made them gain some fame.
Source: wikipedia.org/wiki/Bodhidharma#Principal_sources#Shaolin_boxing
The authenticity of the Yi Jin Jing has been discredited by some historians including Tang Hao, Xu Zhen and Matsuda Ryuchi. According to Lin Boyuan, "This manuscript is full of errors, absurdities and fantastic claims; it cannot be taken as a legitimate source."
The oldest available copy was published in 1827. The composition of the text itself has been dated to 1624. Even then, the association of Bodhidharma with martial arts only became widespread as a result of the 1904–1907 serialization of the novel The Travels of Lao Ts'an in Illustrated Fiction Magazine. According to Henning, the "story is clearly a twentieth-century invention," which "is confirmed by writings going back at least 250 years earlier, which mention both Bodhidharma and martial arts but make no connection between the two."
So Bodhidarma did not teach Shaolin Monks Kung Fu, it was only because of 1900s Fiction Magazine that associated Kung-fu with Bodhidarma.
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@charlesfavell3350 Genocidal? China is currently at peace and not at war with any country, since our last major conflict in 1979. Instead of making war, China is building infrastructure like roads, railways, highways, bridges, tunnels, powerstations, dams, ports, airports, etc and investing in developing countries like Sri Lanka, Nepal, Bangladesh, Pakistan, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Tajikistan, and also African countries like Nigeria, Kenya, Chad, Sudan, Ghana, Mozambique, Tanzania, etc.
Whereas the United States is warmonger being involved in Gulf War, Iraq War, Afghan War, Libyan War, Syrian War, Yemen War, etc, even in the 21st century. USA is bombing in those Middle Eastern countries and enacting regime change by cutting off their "heads" (Saddam Hussein, Muammar Gaddafi, etc) and then installing their own US puppet governments in place.
If anything, it sounds like the United States is the real threat to global peace and stability here.
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@Cursed_Mark "Yes, that's the CCP."
So you've firmly established that Taiwan isn't independent after all, since Taiwan cannot join the United Nations because (according to you) the Communist Party of China doesn't like it. It's a clear indication from you that Taiwan is being controlled by the CPC.
About "dictators for life", China has produced many 5-year plans, 10-year plans, 20-year plans, 30-year plans, etc to map out China's future and direction in the years 2025, 2030, 2040, 2050. By abolishing the presidential term limits, our leaders can remain in power long term to see their plans for China bloom and come to fruition in the future. This is the advantage of China's long term leadership
Whereas in the United States, the US Presidents have to step down after 4-8 years because of presidential term limits, so they can only make short term plans for America's future, instead of long term plans spanning, say 10 years or more. This is the disadvantage of US short term leadership.
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@NightTimeDay "神州 Shenzhou...an inhumane genocide denier. The CCP is the modern equivalent of Nazi Germany."
Nazi Germany promoted racial supremacy and Hitler demonized the Jews as inferior in their Nazi propaganda. If the communist party is the modern equivalent of Nazi Germany, then we should be seeing similar demonization of the ethnic minorities (i.e Tibetans, Uighurs, Mongols, Manchu, etc) by the Han majority. However, in China the ethnic minorities are exempted from the One-Child Policy (unlike Han) so they can have as many kids as they want. Ethnic minorities in China enjoy special privileges over the Han, such as tax exemptions, priority in healthcare, free education for up to 15 years, government bursaries, and so on. When applying for university admission, if a Han candidate needs say 600 points to qualify for the university course, then an ethnic minority needs only say 300 points (which easier to qualify) for the exact same course.
Isn't China offering privileges to ethnic minorities the complete reverse of what the Nazis did to Jews through anti-semitism? How then is China the modern equivalent of Nazi Germany?
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@V01DIORE "神州 Shenzhou So they would have starved anyway if not for the "great leap forward"?"
In 1958, the Yellow River Flooded that coincided with the onset of the Great Leap Forward. In July 1958, the peak discharge of the Yellow River at Huayuankou was 22,300 m3/s (790,000 cu ft/s) with a maximum sediment concentration of 911 kg/m3 (57 lb/cu ft), 14× and 24× their mean annual values, respectively. The flood water level was so high that it rose up to the top of the levee in several places. From Wikipedia:
This flood affected 741,000 people, submerged over half a million acres of crops (3.04 million mu), and destroyed over 300,000 houses in 1708 villages.It was reported as the most severe flood since 1933.
Hostage diplomacy you mean when Canada detained Meng Wanzhou for 3 years even though she did not break any Canadian laws while in Canada? As for surveillance and facial recognition software, isn't that what the United States is employing against the Jan 6th Capitol Hill riots?
And you still believe those organ harvesting rumours? Look, even Obama, Trump and now Biden hasn't said anything about organ harvesting to President Xi, then what makes you think the organ harvesting rumours are true?
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@HiredGoonage "particularly so that they can weed out those ethnic Uyghurs for "cleansing"
What "cleansing"? The population of Uighurs in China from 1953 to 2010 actually tripled in size from 3 million to 11 million Uighurs. That's because Uighurs aren't subject to the One Child Policy (unlike Han) so they can have as many kids as they want.
Population of Uighurs in China from 1953 to 2010
1953: 3,640,125
1964: 3,996,311
1982: 5,917,030
1990: 7,207,024
2000: 8,399,393
2010: 10,069,346
2020: 11,774,538
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@V01DIORE "Trudeau likely could have insulted and condemned trump but that wouldn’t be good for relations between countries."
Yet Canada choose to detain Meng Wanzhou even though the Huawei CFO did not break any Canadian laws while in Canada, and this caused deterioration of Canada-China relations.
"The Five Eyes was likely for Russia initially, it’s just China has been proven more trouble then otherwise as it’s undiplomatic and frankly unethical in it’s holistic approach, lately gathering disdain from the international community."
So what threat does Russia even pose to Canada, Australia and New Zealand, if the Five Eyes were created in response to Russia? As for China, clearly America is in decline and China is rising, so the U.S is influencing the other four countries to contain China's rise, in order to serve U.S interests, not for your countries interests. You claim China is undiplomatic and unethical, but China is currently at peace and not at war with any country, since our last major conflict in 1979. Instead of making war, China is building infrastructure like roads, railways, highways, bridges, tunnels, powerstations, dams, ports, airports, etc and investing in developing countries like Sri Lanka, Nepal, Bangladesh, Pakistan, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Tajikistan, and also African countries like Nigeria, Kenya, Chad, Sudan, Ghana, Mozambique, Tanzania, etc.
Whereas the United States is warmonger being involved in Gulf War, Iraq War, Afghan War, Libyan War, Syrian War, Yemen War, etc, even in the 21st century. USA is bombing in those Middle Eastern countries and enacting regime change by cutting off their "heads" (Saddam Hussein, Muammar Gaddafi, etc) and then installing their own US puppet governments in place.
Yet you as British, don't realize the real threat to global peace and stability here?
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@V01DIORE "神州 Shenzhou Detained for espionage likely, it wasn’t as if she was put in a prison either I think it was house arrest."
Espionage of what, you tell me? Why would the Huawei CEO put his daughter Meng Wanzhou in the dangerous position of being a spy for what? There was clearly no case again Meng, she pleaded not guilty and Washington just dropped the charges eventually, because it was a hoax and an unlawful detention without any basis.
"Hauwai has been quite suspicious"
Suspicious of what? Even German IT Watchdog has expressed scepticism about calls for a boycott of Chinese telecoms giant Huawei, saying it has seen no evidence the firm could use its equipment to spy for Beijing.
“For such serious decisions like a ban, you need proof,” the head of Germany's Federal Office for Information Security (BSI), Arne Schönbohm, told Spiegel, adding that his agency had no such evidence.
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@ajcso7844 "My problem with the CCP is how is crushes criticism of its government and how they treat the Uygher population."
How does China treat the Uighur population? Ethnic minorities in China aren't subject to the One-Child Policy (unlike Han) so the Uighurs can have as many kids as they want. According to China Consensus, the population of Uighurs in China actually tripled in size from 3 million in 1953 to 11 million in 2020.
Population of Uighurs in China from 1953-2020 according to China population consensus
1953: 3,640,125
1964: 3,996,311
1982: 5,917,030
1990: 7,207,024
2000: 8,399,393
2010: 10,069,346
2020: 11,774,538
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_China#Ethnic_groups
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@ajcso7844 "神州 Shenzhou If the majority of the country supports the government then I can not not criticise the way they rule. But honestly I havr doubts about that poll."
China is certainly not perfect, but for many Chinese people, life is generally improving every day. Previously, China was once a dirt-poor, war-torn, starving country in the past. Fast forward to today and China has since transformed into the world's 2nd largest economy, the world's factory (Made in China) having world's 2nd highest R&D spending, protected by world's largest land army, the People's Liberation Army, funded by world's 2nd highest military expenditure.
And it's all been achieved under communist party leadership, despite Western anti-Communist propaganda constantly denouncing China's success all along. As long as the government is able to deliver economic growth, is it really so inconceivable that majority of the Chinese interviewed in the Harvard/Ash Centre survey support the Chinese government?
"Ima also add I thought YouTube was banned in China."
Why do you believe YouTube is banned in China? Nobody will come arrest you just for login into YouTube while in China, which person has been arrested just for doing so?
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@Muhammad Iqbal Ahmad China has produced many Chinese companies like Huawei, Xiaomi, Oppo, Lenovo, ZTE, DJI, Haier, Alibaba, Tencent, JD, Baidu, Meituan-Dianping, NetEase, Bank of China, AgBank, ICBC, China Construction Bank, State Grid, Sinopec Group, China National Petroleum, CSCEC, China Minmetals, Ping An Insurance, Shenhua Energy, Midea Group, China State Shipbuilding Corporation, China Shipbuilding Industry Corporation, (this list is not exhaustive) and many of these companies have made it onto business magazine lists like Fortune Global 500 and Forbes Global 2000
Sources:
List of largest banks wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_largest_banks
List of largest Internet companies wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_largest_Internet_companies
Fortune Global 500 wikipedia.org/wiki/Fortune_Global_500
Forbes Global 2000 wikipedia.org/wiki/Forbes_Global_2000
List of the largest shipbuilding companies wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_the_largest_shipbuilding_companies
On the other hand, where are all the famous Indian companies?
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@Muhammad Iqbal Ahmad China is home to two of world's fastest supercomputers, the Sunway Taihulight and Tianhe-2 and in the 2017 Top500 supercomputer survey, China beat USA with 202 out of 500 of the world's fastest supercomputers, compared to USA's 144 out of 500. Source: China's supercomputers race past US to world dominance cnet.com/news/china-surpasses-us-in-supercomputer-usage-on-top-500-list/
Supercomputers play an important role in the field of computational science, and are used for a wide range of computationally intensive tasks in various fields, including quantum mechanics, weather forecasting, climate research, oil and gas exploration, molecular modeling (computing the structures and properties of chemical compounds, biological macromolecules, polymers, and crystals), and physical simulations (such as simulations of the early moments of the universe, airplane and spacecraft aerodynamics, the detonation of nuclear weapons, and nuclear fusion).
This means Chinese researchers have access to some of the world's most advanced facilities to conduct their research. On the other hand, how many supercomputers does India have in the Top500?
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@Muhammad Iqbal Ahmad As of 2009, the Chinese government has been cracking down on unregulated mining operations, which in 2009 accounted for nearly 80% of the country's 16,000 mines. The closure of about 1,000 dangerous small mines in 2008 helped to cut in half the average number of miners killed, to about six a day, in the first six months of 2009, according to the government. Major gas explosions in coal mines remain a problem, though the number of accidents and deaths have gradually declined year by year, the chief of the State Administration of Work Safety, Luo Lin, told a national conference in September 2009.
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@Muhammad Iqbal Ahmad China is world's 3rd country to independently send people into space, after USA and USSR. In 2003, Yang Liwei became the first person sent into space by the Chinese space program, onboard Shenzhou-5 (神舟五号) spacecraft. Video: Yang Liwei: China's first astronaut in space youtube.com/watch?v=tIviKg4Mduw
China is the 1st Asian country to achieve such a feat in space, and even other Asian countries like Japan, Korea, India, Vietnam, Malaysia, Singapore, etc, have not launched manned space missions of their own thus far. China is helping prove that Asians are just as capable of matching Westerners in space exploration.
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@zhuoyuanchen3211 The communist party membership is made up of Chinese people, who've excelled in their region of expertise, so how is it not the legitimate government of China? The CCP is not perfect (then again, which government body is?) but despite its initial failures and setbacks, under its leadership, China's population doubled, our lifespans doubled, our literacy rates doubled and our poverty rates plummeted.
The graph below shows life-expectencies across China, India, Europe and USA.
Source:_Life Expectancy at Birth in China, Europe, USA and India_ china-profile.com/data/fig_WPP2010_L0_Boths.htm
China was once dirt-poor, war-torn, starving country, similar to India (world's largest democracy) in the past, but today, China has since transformed into world's 2nd largest economy, the world's factory (Made in China), the world's 3rd largest arms exporter, having world's 2nd highest R&D spending, protected by world's largest land army, the People's Liberation Army and funded by world's 2nd highest military expenditure.
And it's all achieved by under CCP leadership, despite what the Western anti-Communist propaganda been denouncing all this while. Look at India as democracy and do you want China to follow India's path?
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+Taylor Sukoshi "America isn't perfect but compared to China... If America bombed my country I would stay and fight, look at Korea, Vietnam,"
China is not perfect too, but compared to America, China is currently at peace and not at war with any country since our last major war fought in 1979. Instead, China is the manufacturing hub of the world, making products like smartphones, computers, electronics, appliances, toys, clothing, sneakers, etc.
But look at USA's involvement in Iraq war, Afghan War, Libyan War, etc, even in the 21st century? You will stay and fight for you country, then what about your wife, your kids, your grandparents? Why is USA even bombing your country in the first place? Is your country really such a threat to the USA?
Also, you said earlier that "Now most of the world has access to cellphones unimaginable 20 years ago, Vaccines, Internet, cheap air travel..."
Cellphones were very expensive half a century ago, when they first came out, but thanks to Chinese labor force, cellphone prices have lowered to become more affordable to the masses. Thanks to Chinese labor force, electronics and gadgets become cheaper and more affordable to the masses, and thus, more people have access to the Internet.
Vaccines - The earliest hints of the practice of inoculation for smallpox in China come during the 10th century. Two reports on the Chinese practice of inoculation were received by the Royal Society in London in 1700; one by Dr. Martin Lister who received a report by an employee of the East India Company stationed in China and another by Clopton Havers.
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When the Dalai Lama ruled Tibet, Tibet was a brutal theocracy, with 95% of the population being slaves, the remaining 5% slave owners. Tibetan mountainous soil was infertile and difficult to grow crops, so many slaves turned to yak farming to feed the population. Starvation and thievery were commonplace and punishments were harsh, including torture and amputation. Tibet's population back in 1951 was only 1.14 million.
Under Chinese rule, the Qinghai-Tibet railway (world's highest elevation railway) was built to connect the normally isolated Tibet to the rest of the world. Tibetans can now import food and technology from the mainland, and Tibetans today have access to food, education, running water, plumbing, gas and electricity. They have access to modern technology like cars, smartphones, computers, WiFi, Internet, etc. Before 1951, Tibet had zero universities, but today there are at least 4 universities set up in Lhasa.
Here is a video about a Canadian tourist revisiting Lhasa after 10 years, taking the Qinghai-Tibet railway, and relating how much Tibet has changed since a decade ago.
Video: Welcome to Lhasa - Exploring the City (by Vafa Anderson) youtube.com/watch?v=J-TfN56ETVM
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+shockwave2291 "神州 Shenzhou I like how this Chinese nationalist tries painting a picture of a 'caring and compassionate' China"
China is currently at peace and not at war with any country (since our last major war in 1979) and instead of war, China is building roads, railways, highways, etc, in less-developed countries. How is this "brainwashing" when countries like Pakistan, Sri Lanka, Nigeria, Kenya, etc, have benefited from Chinese investment into those countries?
Whereas the USA is involved in Gulf War, Iraq War, Afghan War, Libyan War, etc, even in the 21st century. USA is cutting off those countries heads (Saddam Hussein, Muammar Gaddafi, etc) and then installing its own US puppet governments in place. Now USA is eyeing Syria and the Assad Regime is next on the list.
If you really think I am "brainwashed" then why don't you point out the flaws in my argument instead?
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@santosturmio8189 You said: "I love China and I lived there for 10 years. When you realise what your current government is doing to you You could finally become a truly great country."
And what is the current government doing to China? Previously, China was once a dirt-poor, war-torn, starving country in the past, but today, China has since transformed into the world's 2nd largest economy, the world's factory (Made in China) having world's 2nd highest R&D spending, protected by world's largest land army, the People's Liberation Army, funded by world's 2nd highest military expenditure.
And it's all been achieved under the leadership of the Communist Party of China, despite Western anti-Communist propaganda constantly denouncing China's success all along. Then how exactly is China on the wrong path?
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+wclifton968 Firstly, the cost of living in China is cheaper than living in the West. Secondly, Chinese people natural constitution means we have lower calorie intake than white Caucasians, (who tend to eat above the recommended intake too, leading to obesity like in USA) There are separate methods to calculate when a Caucasian is overweight, as to when an Asian is overweight, so why can't there be different methods for calculating poverty in our countries too? You think everything must follow Western standards?
Also, you think the West doesn't have biased propaganda against China too? Western media been predicting China's economic downfall from since back in 1990s. Here is a compiled list of what Western journalists have to say about China's economy.
1990. The Economist: China's economy has come to a halt.
1996. The Economist: China's economy will face hard landing.
1998. The Economist: China's economy entering a dangerous period of sluggish growth.
1999. Bank of Canada: Likelihood of a hard landing for the Chinese economy.
2000. Chicago Tribune: China currency move nails hard landing risk coffin.
2001. Wilbanks, Smith & Thomas: A hard landing in China.
2002. Westchester University: China Anxiously Seeks A Soft Economic landing.
2003. KWR International: How to find a soft landing if China..
2004. The Economist: The great fall of China?
2005. Nouriel Roubini: The Risk of a Hard Landing in China.
2006. International Economy: Can China Achieve a Soft Landing?
2007. TIME: Is China's Economy Overheating? Can China avoid a hard landing?
2008. Forbes: Hard Landing in China?
2009. Fortune: China's hard landing. China must find a way to recover.
2010. Nouriel Roubini: Hard landing coming in China.
2011. Business Insider: A Chinese Hard Landing May Be Closer Than You Think.
2012. American Interest: Dismal Economic News from China: A Hard Landing.
2013. Zero Hedge: A Hard Landing in China.
2014. CNBC: A hard landing in China.
2015. Forbes: Congratulations, You got Yourself A Chinese Hard Landing....
2016. The Economist: Hard Landing looms for China.
Clearly, Western propaganda is extremely biased against China's economy and has been proven consistently wrong for almost 30 years. China has consistently avoided "hard landings" and was even world's largest economy in 2014. So why do you continue believing in stories about a Chinese hard landing? It's been almost 30 years since Westerners first "prediction"...
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@adrianbundy3249 Modern China was built by the sweat, blood, tears and sacrifice of the Chinese people and the communist government, to turn a once dirt-poor, war-torn, starving country, into an economic juggernaut today, the world's factory (Made in China), a growing scientific and technological power, protected by world's largest land army, the People's Liberation Army and having strong global presence, as well as being a potential rival to the USA.
And its all achieved under CCP leadership.
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@adrianbundy3249 Those people weren't killed by the CCP, they starved to death because of Great Chinese Famine, which was caused by bad weather conditions like flood and drought, causing destruction of crops and resulting in poor harvests. Even Mao Zedong can't possibly control the weather isn't it? And it is people starving to death in a disaster, which is different from Emperor Meiji ordering the killing of the last remaining samurai, so what's your point?
And China achieved transformation from dirt-poor, war-torn, starving country into an economic juggernaut and military power today WITHOUT adopting Western democracy, so isn't China better than Japan in this regard? Also, most of Japan's great modernization occurred under authoritarian Meiji emperor rule, instead of Western democracy, likewise, so did most of China's modernization occurred under authoritarian CCP rule.
And look at Japan today, it used to be a strong military power during WWII period, but after the 1945 surrender treaty, Japanese military has been "castrated" and it is now bound to only maintain a "self-defense" force at all times. Whereas the People's Liberation Army is the world's largest land army, our Chinese navy is Asia's largest, and we even started building aircraft carriers. China currently has 1 aircraft carrier in operation, 1 undergoing sea trials and at least 2 more carriers undergoing construction in our shipyards.
Video: First China-made aircraft carrier sets to serve youtube.com/watch?v=48Jce11rFac
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@adrianbundy3249 "神州 Shenzhou First off, china took longer to due so"
China has the world's largest population, so of course China had more people to lift out of poverty. But under Chinese leadership, China's population eventually doubled, our lifespans doubled, our literacy rates doubled and our poverty rates plummeted. The graph below shows life-expectencies across China, India, Europe and USA.
Life Expectancy at Birth in China, Europe, USA and India china-profile.com/data/fig_WPP2010_L0_Boths.htm
China was once dirt-poor, war-torn, starving country, similar to India (world's largest democracy) in the past, but today, China has transformed into world's 2nd largest economy, the world's factory (Made in China), the world's 3rd largest arms exporter, protected by world's largest land army, the People's Liberation Army, funded by world's 2nd highest military expenditure and having world's 2nd highest R&D spending.
And its all been achieved under CCP leadership, without ever adopting Western democracy, so doesn't this show that not all countries have to achieve Western democracy to be successful, and China is living proof of this?
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@adrianbundy3249 About Great Chinese Famine, in July 1959, the Yellow River flooded in East China and according to the Disaster Center, the flood directly killed, either through starvation from crop failure or drowning, an estimated 2 million people. Source: _The Most Deadly 100 Natural Disasters of the 20th Century_.disastercenter.com/disaster/TOP100K.html
In 1960, an estimated 60% of agricultural land in northern China received no rain at all and the Encyclopædia Britannica yearbooks from 1958 to 1962 also reported abnormal weather, followed by droughts and floods based on Chinese government sources. This included 760 millimetres (30 in) of rain in Hong Kong across five days in June 1959, part of a pattern that hit all of Southern China. As a result, year over year grain production dropped in China.
Japan's military is clearly "castrated" and no longer the military power it was during WWII. Japan is a dog of the United States, bound by WWII surrender treaty (Article 9 of the Japanese constitution) never to declare war on another country except in self-defense, and it is only allowed to maintain a self-defense force at all times, even more than 70 years after WWII . Even Germany, Japan's WWII ally, is not bound by such a restricting treaty, and Germany is allowed to grow its military to become as powerful as it wants.
Imagine another 70 years into the future, and China's military have grown stronger, yet Japan is still stuck with maintaining a self-defense force, because of its WWII surrender treaty.
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@adrianbundy3249 Singapore has been ruled by authoritarian single-party government for its entire life as a nation! For over 50 years, the PAP ruled Singapore with iron fist, and Lee Kuan Yew (Singapore's founder) was a tyrant who tolerated not dissent, and jailed or exile his political opponents. Singapore citizens face severe restrictions on their basic rights to freedom of expression, association, and peaceful assembly through overly broad criminal laws and regulations.
(Now doesn't that sound just like China?)
But under PAP's authoritarian dictatorship, Singapore transformed from a sleepy fishing village nation, into a world class country, busiest port in South East Asia, producing some of the world's most best graduates, and punching above its weight than its neighboring countries like Malaysia and Indonesia. It's because Singapore leaders have foresight and can make long-term plans for Singapore future, given their 50 years of PAP rule.
Likewise, China has been under authoritarian single-party CCP rule for 70 years already. So how does your Western democracy, even play a role in whether a country is better or worst off?
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China was once democratic when Dr Sun Yatsen overthrew Qing dynasty and established Republic of China. It lasted for 38 years (1912-49) but during this messy period, China was not unified. Tibet broke away from China, and many warlords ruled over individual provinces of China. Sun tried get assistance from the Western powers, but they mocked China for attempting to copy their governing system. China was part of Allies during WW1, but Westerners gave away Chinese Shandong Province (which Germans captured) to Japan, instead returning it to China. Dr Sun died before he could realize a unified China.
Next China tried communism, and under Mao Zedong China was finally unified under People's Republic of China, which the previous ROC administration failed to achieve. Mao managed to expel foreign influence from China, but while he was brilliant strategist able to seize control of China over KMT, he was also a poor governor. His policies led China to economic disaster, and he even made self-criticism, and stepped down as state chairman after failure of Great Leap Forward.
So Deng Xiaoping stepped forward, and introduce capitalist reforms in 1970s since the communist market just wasn't working out, and thanks to his reforms, China has opened up to the Western markets, and modernized. According to World Bank, China’s poverty rate fell from 88% in 1981 to mere 6.5% in 2012. Literacy rate of China increased from 65.5 % in 1982 to 96.4 % in 2015 growing at an average annual rate of 10.39%. Things finally looking up as China modernizes itself under CPC leadership and this is the same party that governed China previously in "Red Communism" China.
Today, President Xi Jinping is leading China, and the government follows what's been described as socialism with Chinese characteristics. Today China is world's 2nd largest economy in, with strong land army PLA to deter Britain and Japan from invasion like they did in the path, as well as having big presence in global political stage and potential rival to USA. China also has Belt and Road Initiative that plans to expand economic development to Europe and all the states in between Europe and China.
As you can see, it was not easy for China to arrive at where we are today. China was democratic once, but it didn't work out well, and while communism unified the country, our economy suffered. So now China is pursuing our own governing system our own way that is suited for China. Most Westerners are still "stuck" in the "Red Communist China" when most Chinese have long since moved on from that phase. As long as the current government can continue to create economic growth, Chinese people see little need to drastically change the system as it is.
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+Peter Bryne What makes you think Mao is not great strategist? He turned the communist party of China, from small group of only 50 members in the beginning of 1921, into the ruling party of People's Republic of China in 1949, going against initially superior numbers of the KMT, the Japanese and other foreign powers. How is this not considered brilliant strategy by anyone's measures? Even Western scholars have acknowledged his strategies such as the Long March. Are you sure you have read a fair amount on this subject? Do you think it was all attributed to luck?
Just because self criticism is communist trait, so it automatically means its wrong to do so? At least Chinese leaders have reflected on past mistakes and make the effort to learn from it. But what about in USA, when President Bush invaded Iraq on suspicion of harboring WMD, only to find out that there weren't any WMD? Where is the "self-criticism" for Bush to reflect on that unnecessary invasion? He only did that because Americans were angry over 9/11 bombing, and that they needed something for them to vent their frustrations out against, which is why USA invaded Iraq.
The West actually opposed China's entry in to the World Trade Organization. According the following source, China aimed to be included as a WTO founding member (which would validate it as a world economic power) but this attempt was thwarted because United States, European countries, and Japan requested that China first reform various tariff policies, including tariff reductions, open markets and industrial policies. The United States imposed additional conditions on China, and when China joined the WTO, it agreed to considerably harsher conditions than other developing countries
China and the World Trade Organization
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/China_and_the_World_Trade_Organization
Those poverty figures were obtained from the World Bank, not from CPC, so are you implying that the World Bank is wrong in its assessment of China? The literacy rate in China also obtained from UNESCO, so why are you claiming that the data is from CPC? Exactly what do you even know about China's education system? As of 2013, China is the most popular country in Asia for international students and ranks 3rd in overall among countries.
China's education ranks third among countries that host the most international students,
usnews.com/education/best-global-universities/articles/2013/10/08/explore-the-worlds-top-universities
Like I said, it is clear that most Westerners like you are still "stuck" in this "Red Communism" China mindset, whereas many Chinese people and the government have long since moved beyond this period and put it behind us. Also, why do foreigners like you care what happens to people in China? Those things happen to Chinese people, and if Chinese people can forgive the government, then why should foreigner like you make noise? There so many crimes and atrocities committed in the world by people on another ethnic race, such as Rape of Nanjing and Unit 731 by Japanese soldiers, as well as European people genocide of American native people, occupying their lands and importing slaves from Africa, so why single out what Chinese people did to Chinese here?
People like you have obviously been poisoned by Western media, and just regurgitate same old biased viewpoints. In China, organ harvesting used to be conducted on deathrow prisoners with their or their relatives permission(and of course, they are taken only after execution) and they are donated to families of the deceased, but this process is also being phased out by the government. The Sanlu milk powder scandal affected everyone in China as well as in rest of the world, but the culprit has been arrested and government has been taking measures to improve safety standards to ensure such things do not happen again. And what's this about fisherman refusing to rescue drowning students all about? That is not related to the government, and China is vast country so you can't label all Chinese people like that. Besides, if they let the student drown, what makes you think that the fisherman is able to find the "bodies" afterwards? You are just spreading malicious lies without much basis behind them.
The government that governed China during "Red China" period, is still the same government that lifted 600 million people out of poverty in 30 years. Just for comparison, the entire population of the continent of Africa is about 1.2 billion people. So in effect, the Chinese government lifted a number of people equal to half of Africa's entire population out of poverty in decades, compared to what Western powers have done in Africa for centuries. This phenomena has been quoted as being "unprecedented" in human history, even by Western scholars, and many people believe such an astonishing is unlikely to be repeated again elsewhere by other countries, especially in such short duration.
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+Peter Byrne You think every war strategy has to be about attacking the enemy all the time? The Communist party was initially heavily outnumbered by KMT forces and it is this Long March retreat, that enabled the communists to bide their time and survive while waiting for opportunity to strike back. You clearly haven't read Sun Zi's "The Art of War" to know how to fight numerically superior opponent with smaller numbers. It was thanks to Long March that CCP was able to survive the odds against KMT and eventually won in the end, that's why it is called good strategy, not simply because it is a retreat alone.
According to your source, again it demonstrates the tactics used by communist party, from being on the verge of extinction by KMT, to seizing complete control over China. The CCP were numerically inferior to KMT and Japanese forces, so of course they can't engage the enemy directly and resorted to guerilla warfare and sabotage mission instead, and relied on KMT and Japanese to wear each other down. That course of action is still a demonstration of good strategy in any real warfare textbook. You are constantly framing this issue in "moral" point of view, but not in a "strategic" point of view. Otherwise, how could CCP hope to defeat the numerically superior KMT and Japanese forces.
You think "morality" alone is enough to justify KMT's reasons for figthing? The source claims that KMT were busy uniting the country, but it still failed, because China was adminstered by KMT from 1912-1949 (38 years) but they still failed to unify a divided China. Tibet was not part of China during this period and many regions ruled by warlords and the Japanese were also invading China. Also, remember that Chinese Civil War was actually started by KMT during Shanghai massacre of 12 April 1927, when 5,000-10,000 communists were purged. So exactly how is KMT considered "unifying" China here? In war, there is no such thing as right or wrong, and in the end, whoever gains control of China is the true victor, and nobody expected the communist party to be able to defeat KMT and claim all of China. That is why I said Mao is good strategist here, because his actions eventually led CCP to triumph over its adversaries.
As for self-criticism, I don't understand why you think the the government hasn't admitted their mistake during Great Leap Forward and so on. According to Baidu (Chinese version of Wikipedia) it is explicitly stated that the Chinese government regards Great Leap Forward as unprecedented economic catastrophe, and that the government is also taking actions to correct this problem. There is even estimated death toll of 21.58 million Chinese people. So what is wrong with "self-criticism" here? At least it is still an admission of some sort.
Baidu: Great Leap Forward (in Chinese)
baike.baidu.com/item/大跃进
Baidu: Great Leap Forward (Translated)
translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&u=https%3A%2F%2Fbaike.baidu.com%2Fitem%2F%25E5%25A4%25A7%25E8%25B7%2583%25E8%25BF%259B&edit-text=&act=url
The communist government has learn harsh lessons from these mistakes and long since moved on without following the path of Marxism/Maoism, but can you say the same thing for USA and its invasion of Iraq? Even when after Bush, and after no WMD were found after invading Iraq, America still continued to engage in wars in the Middle East, such as in Afghanistan and Libya. Who is the government here that hasn't learnt from its mistakes? Because US has two-party system, they can easily blame the opposing party for all of America's faults. But in China's government, both the good things and bad things are attributed to the communist party all the time, and the communist party that maintains China's economic growth today is the same government that ruled China during Maoist period.
Even if you keep on dismissing all statistics from World Bank or UNESCO as being from CPC, then what about the article claiming China is 3rd most popular destination for international students? Those statistics are derived from the number of students that choose to study abroad in China, so isn't this a reliable indication of progress of China's education system? Since it is the best in the region according to that article, that means that more international students visit Chinese universities, than they do for Japanese universities or S. Korean universities. So why are you still acting like every statistic out of China is faked?
The government of China has made it very clear that China is NOT exporting our form of governance to other countries, so why do you still complain about China meddling in your affairs and trying to promote our ideology? What about USA traveling halfway across the world to spread its ideology in Vietnam, Korea, Iraq, Afghanistan and other parts of Asia and Middle East? Which country is the one actively promoting its ideology even till today, to the point that it is willing to go to war with other countries? China does not believe in spreading our ideology, unlike Soviet Russia, or USA with democracy.
You think Falun Gong is good? Why? Are you a member of it then? Otherwise, what business is Falun gong to you when you only heard one side of the story? Just like "live" organ harvesting here, what makes you automatically assume that the organs are even taken "live" at all? It is clearly made up by Falun gong to demonize the government, by its phrasing. Also, you mentioned that China has 50,000-80,000 people just suddenly go missing EVERY year unreported? So in the last 5 years alone, 250,000-400,000 people have all varnished? That's almost quarter to half of million people missing just like that. And Chinese people don't know anything about it?
China Uncensored is not the most trustworthy source for reliable news about China and most of it is just funded propaganda meant to criticize China's government and conceal China's progress. Why don't you come to China yourself and see what its like instead of watching online videos only? Here is fun 2 minute video about the nightview of 11 cities in China.
Beautiful Night View of China 2016 (11 cities in 2 minutes)
youtube.com/watch?v=G7ZRa-w9xyA
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+Peter Byrne My motivation was that China has tried various political systems before, including democracy, but it failed to work out for China. China has also tried communism, and while it worked to unify China, where previous administration failed, it did not help our economy, so the government changed. China today is no longer Marxist, but neither is it fully democratic and our economy been described as more capitalist than some Western countries. Today China follows "socialism" with Chinese characteristics, so why can't China follow our own path different from the West? Must all countries adopt Western democracy to be successful? No, and China is living proof of that.
Exactly what do you even know about strategy? In strategy, the ends justify the means, and you have to cunning and sneaky to win. CPC had numerically inferior numbers, and had CPC fought the Japanese directly, they would have failed and be completely wiped out. How is your approach considered strategy at all? Like I said, you frame "morality and righteousness" over real "strategy". You call Long March a "retreat," but still it is a move that enabled CCP to survive to eventually defeat KMT in 1949. That is real strategy, not the "righteous" point of view you are trying to impose here. Are you sure you even read "The Art of War" by Sun Zi (both Sun Zi and Sun Tzu are acceptable) at all? One of the chapters mentions the use of deception in warfare. Quoted and translated, it is "The strong must appear weak and the weak must appear strong" and Mao has demonstrated this ability a few times.
Even looking at Mao Zedong's Wikipedia page en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mao_Zedong you can find the word "strategy" mentioned number of times, so why are you keep on denying that Mao Zedong is a strategist here?
Those "uprisings" were conducted against the other provincial warlords like the Zhili clique and so on, and not directly against the KMT. Jiang Jieshi initiated an unprovoked purge of Communist parties within the KMT, and that is known to be the starting point of the Chinese Civil war. Virtually every textbook defines KMT's purging of communist as the beginnings of the Chinese Civil war here. It should also be noted that KMT was unpopular among Chinese peasants and heavily corrupted during Chinese Civil War, having hoarded material, armament and military-aid funding. President Truman even made comment saying "the Chiangs, the Kungs and the Soongs (were) all thieves" after pocketing almost $750 million in US aid.
Under Chinese laws, the government reserves the right to censor information, so what's wrong with this? If Cambridge wants to publish books and articles on Chinese lands, then of course they will be subject to Chinese laws here. Also, what has your fisherman not rescuing students got to do with Chinese government or Chinese people? In your source, Chinese people themselves expressed outrage, and the fisherman is not "communist party agent" or anything, so what has it got to do with this issue at all? Does that lone fisherman represent all of China, its people and our government?
My Baidu link to Great Leap Forward, shows you that Chinese people are aware of it, and that the party has made a self-criticism of the GLF and made amends to rectify its effects. If China was truly that censored, then why not cover up GLF in the first place and deny its death toll altogether?
All your source seems to come from China Uncensored, so what makes you think that it is reliable, when you quote it as your source? Haven't you ever notice that hardly any news media, both Western or Chinese, ever talks about your so-called "live" organ harvesting? Only China Uncensored seems interested in propagating the rumors, so what makes you think that organ harvesting continues even till today? If it was such a bother for foreigner like you, then why don't President Trump approach President Xi Jinping to talk about supposed "live" organ harvesting? Why doesn't Angela Merkel or other European leader approach China to talk about this issue? Because there is still insufficient proof altogether. You mean some figures are able to enough prove that such things are being carried out on daily basis? Why doesn't rest of the world even care about this atrocities at all?
Since you been to China, then you know that all those wonders were achieved under the communist party, which is the same party that led China through Red Communist China. Building modern China was not easy process, and it was built upon the sweat and blood, tears and sacrifice of Chinese people to turn a war-torn, poor and starving country, into the economic powerhouse and potential rival to USA. Along the way, there are bound to be mistakes and failures, and only by trial and error, did Chinese government managed to become what it is today. Every country deserves its own shot at success, so why can't Chinese government follow our own path to success by ourselves?
Here is another beautify video capturing various viewpoints of China by a foreigner. It has almost everything good and bad about China, from mountains and deserts, ancient monuments to modernization, from coal plants and oil rigs to wind and solar energy, from ghost cities to megacities, from destruction to construction. It can be considered the face of truth about what China really is, all in just 4 minutes.
China From Above by Stef Hoffer
youtube.com/watch?v=p1e68fqMkME
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+Peter Byrne Neither does your motivation explain exactly why you are here. You think communism is evil and CCP is interfering in your affairs and trying promote it's ideology outside China. Then what about USA spreading democracy across the Pacific Ocean into Asia? Isn't that spreading ideology as well? As for CPC spreading communism, those "communist" apps are only available to Chinese citizens. And the Cambridge article only applies to the government censoring information of China Quarterly within China. So exactly how do these points align with you motivation that CPC is trying promote its ideology outside China?
President Trump's election has also spawned numerous political apps in America. According to following source, more than 60 mobile apps on politics have been created due to Trump becoming President of USA.
usatoday.com/story/tech/news/2017/02/21/political-apps-all-rage-trump-era/98063488/
So what is wrong with Chinese government promoting "communist" apps in Chinese phones? If you watch your own source carefully, it says those apps are available, but does that mean every Chinese person has to make use of those apps? It says "*If* you wanna brush up on knowledge of Marxist, ... ... If you wanna singalong to communist songs.... If you wanna hear retellings of Long March... If you want to virtually sweep tombs..." so what is wrong with these apps? Nobody is forcing Chinese citizens to make use of them if they don't want to.
Why are you suddenly drawing attention Stalin here? What has Stalin's strategies got to do with Mao here? Stalin performed wave attacks because he had numerically superior troops, but the communist party did not had such numbers. You are switching the topic about just to confuse me here by introducing other concepts here. Like I said, in strategy, as long as you achieve your objective, which for CCP is control over China, then isn't that strategy considered successful? After all, CCP is the one in control of mainland China, not KMT.
You obviously have not read the real "Art of War", if you think a general can win by not being "underhanded." You are imposing your own Western Ideals of "righteousness" here. According to Sun Zi, All warfare is based on deception. Hence, when we are able to attack, we must seem unable; when we are near, we must make the enemy believe we are far away; when far away, we must make him believe we are near.
What has Geneva Convention suddenly got to do with war strategy now? I'm sure you at least heard of Western saying: "All's fair in love and war" which means whatever soldiers in wartime are not bound by the rules of fair play. Spies, torture, lying, backstabbing, making deals with enemies, selling out allies, bombing civilians, wounding instead of killing, and so on are "fair game" in the sense that by taking these options off of the table you are only "limiting" yourself: Your opponent has no reason to comply to your moral standards. Even if you really never read "Art of War" this phrase should at least be familiar to you.
There were few thousands communists that escaped from KMT, but after the Yan'An rectification movement, the CCP's numbers swelled, from less than 10,000 troops after Long March, to nearly 2.8 million members according to en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yan'an_Rectification_Movement#Background What makes you think that tens of thousands of patriotic youth were persecuted? The CCP were short of numbers against KMT, so why persecute those people who have come to join the CCP? How do you expect CCP to achieve a strength of over 2.8 million at the end of the movement, by persecuting tens of thousands of people? Every person recruited by the party during this period was too valuable to waste, therefore it is extremely unlikely that persecutions in such larges numbers ever happened.
Regarding fisherman story, if CCP really destroyed Chinese "morality" like you claim, then why are there Chinese people outraged by the fisherman's actions in your source? If the CPC promote capitalism, then why did the teens risk their lives to rescue the children? You are obviously being biased here, and just associating every "bad trait" to the CCP, even when your "link" to them, is shaky. You think every Chinese person's actions are controlled by the government is that it?
Once again, it all boils down to lack of evidence to back up your claims of "live" organ harvesting. You claim you have evidence of doctors involved defecting, recordings of hospital staff, then why don't confront China on these issues directly? You claim you have the "evidence" of live organ harvesting, but do not want to reveal it to the world? You claim to have witness a petition, but what has it achieved? Ultimately, whether real or imagined, this is internal affair within China, so what business is it of yours?
Even looking at your wording, you said "live" harvesting right? That means while the person is still alive? Whatever is the benefit to harvesting organs "live" at all? Realistically, nobody does that, and what's the point of "terrorizing" people by live organ harvesting, when it is all supposedly hushed up? Have you actually stopped to think carefully about this rumor that you keep on propagating because of "news" you heard?
If you claim CCP didn't brought success to China, and imply that "any other government" could have achieved what CCP did, then why not compare China to world's largest democracy, India. India has world's 2nd largest population after China, therefore, the 2nd largest workforce. Indian workers tend to speak English, whereas many Chinese workers still struggle with English, and India is democratic, while China is communist. Republic of India was founded in 1947, two years before People's Republic of China was founded in 1949. Yet in the last 30 years, China has surpassed India in many aspects. So no, I don't think China would have managed such level of success without CCP's help. Its easy to simply claim that "another government could have done it better" in hindsight, but in reality, hindsight is 50/50
Regarding censorship in China, while it true that access to Western websites like Youtube, Facebook, etc, are blocked, you can still use VPN to access Western websites. Many MNCs and foreign trade enterprises in China operate using Western websites, so they are granted special VPN licenses while in China. But of course they are subject to Chinese internet rules while operating in China.
It is clear that perhaps you are still "stuck" in Red Communist China, when many Chinese people have long since moved on from that turbulent time. In this next video, instead of aerial view, it is time-lapsed street view of 3 modern Chinese cities. It starts off slow, but after 1 minute it shows these cities modernization while retaining some Chinese cultural heritage sites. Throughout the video you can observe the many foreign brands and companies in China and that most of them operate their own VPN in order to access Western websites. It also has more of the beautiful and colourful Chinese night life, seen this time from the point of view of someone on the street.
Amazing China! (Guangzhou, Shanghai, Shenzhen)
youtube.com/watch?v=RSgdUVxNrbM
All these previous videos are all non-political in nature, and not trying force a message down your throat or anything. Whenever possible, I take these from foreigner point of view of China, and the images depict China as they see it. Its a pity that you will only probably visit China only after CCP is gone, because from many people's views, the CCP is likely here to stay for long while.
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+Peter Byrne You are welcome to disagree about "Art of War" if you want, but it should be known that Art of War originated in 500 BC so its written about 2500 years ago and corresponded to a different time altogether. But it is still being taught at major military academies worldwide, including United States Military Intelligence personnel.
UN veto is probably what makes keeps the UNSC "paralyzed" and unable to function effectively. China and Russia may have vetoed against USA, but similarly USA has also vetoed against our countries. But it should at least be noted that out of the 5 UNSC permanent members, China vetos the least number of times at only 11 whereas USA and Russia hold the most at 79 and 106 at this moment in time (2017)
United Nations Security Council veto power
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Security_Council_veto_power#Most_common_users
With regards to organ harvesting, there is an international panel of experts that have debunked such rumors according to the following source, claiming that the allegations that 60,000 to 100,000 organ transplants are performed in China each year using organs from so called "prisoners of conscience," are ridiculous
Spotlight: Experts slam rumors of organ harvesting in China
news.xinhuanet.com/english/2016-08/20/c_135617600.htm
Although the above source is from Chinese media, the panel of experts are from international organizations such as
-Francis Delmonico, former president of the Transplantation Society and professor of Harvard Medical School at the Massachusetts General Hospital
-Michael Millis, professor of Surgery and chief of the Section of Transplantation of the University of Chicago Hospitals
-José Nuñez, medical officer in charge of global organ transplantation at the World Health Organization.
Nuñez also remarked that 60,000 and 100,000 organ transplants are equal to the transplant activity of the entire world and is practically impossible. For example, in 2015 there is estimated total of 120,000 organ transplants occurring world wide.
Estimated number of organ transplantations worldwide in 2015 (total: 126,670)
statista.com/statistics/398645/global-estimation-of-organ-transplantations/
For religion in China, China has had many religions coexisting relatively peacefully with each other, with Taoism, Buddhism, Confucianism (not really a religion, more like set of principles) as well as Islam and Christianity. However, there never been any Crusade, Holy wars or Jihad throughout Chinese history. Judaism is forms quite minor part of Chinese history, but because both of us share many similar values, such as respect for family and elders, resulting in harmonious coexistence. Both of us also value specific character traits, like thriftiness, cunning and having a knack for business. For example, Jews are known to be thrifty, calculative businessmen, very much the same way most people describe Chinese businessmen. It is this sharing of similar traits that makes us close.
Ultimately though, China is atheist state, and puts the government above any religious organization. Therefore, religion should never be allowed to interfere with effective governance. Christianity and Islam are allowed in China, but there has to be clear distinction between politics and religion. But as long as there isn't interference, then you are free to practice whatever religion you want in China.
Falun Gong has been described as a cult, hijacking traditional Chinese practices like Qigong. The government doesn't ban Qigong, because it is truly ancient tradition of China, with 4000 years history, and early morning in China you can find many people practicing real Qigong, not Falun Gong, which only existed since 1990s. That should already set off alarm bells that it is probably a cult. Here are some other people's point of view
Scholars refute Falungong's organ rumor
culteducation.com/group/1254-falun-gong/29725-scholars-refute-falungong-s-organ-rumor.html
-Wimal Hewamanage, a senior lecturer on Pali and Buddhist studies at Sri Lanka's University of Colombo, said, "I've spent many years in China and have seen no evidence to suggest the Chinese government forces Falungong practitioners to donate organs."
-"Absolutely, Falungong is one of the most destructive cults, which destroys human minds and physical health," said Alexander L. Dvorkin, a professor from St. Tikhon's Orthodox University in Moscow."
Even in Holy city of Jerusalem, Falun Gong posters at the gates are taken down.
culteducation.com/group/1254-falun-gong/27349-chinese-cult-illegally-takes-jerusalem-s-main-gate.html
About strategy again, you can reject use of underhanded means to achieve victory, but then, you are only depriving yourself of an option, and your adversary has no reason not to use underhanded methods as necessary. Take for example, terrorists, who often use civilians in their causes. I am not justifying the cause of terrorists, but I am saying that their methods are effective, since the world's most powerful military, the USA, is still unable to defeat them and claim victory, even after 15 years of warfare. With Mao, I am comparing his strategy, which enabled the small Chinese communist party to grow to become governing party of world's most populous nation today. That is real strategy, that even neutral and objective Western scholars have acknowledged Mao as strategist, so I am not alone in my thinking here.
China has long since progressed beyond Red Communism during Mao's era, and embrace capitalism today. Did you watch the Amazing China! (Guangzhou, Shanghai, Shenzhen) video I posted? Did you notice many foreign companies in China, and many of them have VPN license by government to access Western websites. Guangzhou is very colorful at night, and do the Chinese people look like they are being repressed... ... or celebrating China's modernization?
I have another 4 minute video, this time about Beijing. Since you like more of the nature and culture aspect of China, then this video shows many of China's historical sites, and nature, like lakes, peach gardens, parks. It shows more of China's beautiful night life, and modern and futuristic architecture like CCTV Headquarters and Soho residences. It ends off with a virtual tour of Beijing, highlighting cultural sites and monuments in Forbidden City, as well as residential districts and backalleys.
As always, for maximum immersion, watch this video in HD
A Glance at Beijing
https://youtu.be/-UuJxmU6OCQ
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+Peter Byrne If you want to create new and own religion or practice, then it is obvious that older existing religions will see yours as competition. Almost every child goes through elementary schools, because they form the fundamental basics, but not everyone goes to college. Gods and Demons are above human imposed notions of good and evil. For example, exactly what is a "righteous" god, and who says he won't resort to cunning? Even human cunning is no match for the true wits of a god. In short, they aren't bound by what humans consider good or evil.
If you reject every Chinese source I quote, then what about the opinions offered by international experts in those sources? Francis Delmonico from Massachusetts General Hospital? Michael Millis from University of Chicago Hospitals? José Nuñez from WHO? Wimal Hewamanage from Sri Lanka's University of Colombo? Aren't these people also speaking up for China about supposed organ harvesting? Even in this next source, there is an international organ trafficking researcher from Australia (your country?) Campbell Fraser, who debunked that China uses cult practitioners’, prisoners’ organs
Rumors debunked that China uses cult practitioners’, prisoners’ organs
globaltimes.cn/content/1043057.shtml
From above source, "A number of Western politicians, academics and lawyers have used Falun Gong for their political objectives against the Chinese government … Saying China had used prisoners' organs, is their way of claiming those executed were Falun Gong practitioners, and this is nonsense," said Fraser.
I do agree that religions are really nothing more than tools of the state or whatever forces that spawned them. That is why the Chinese government is atheist and separates religion from politics. Also, who can truly separate what is "real" religion, from what isn't? Cults and terrorism hijack religions such as Islam and pose as "seemingly" real religions in order to recruit more people to their cause. Also, what makes you think Confucianism is destroyed along with the "others" in China? People in China still visit our ancestor's graves to pay respects and so on. This China travel guide websites travelchinaguide.com/intro/religion/ lists the same five religions (Taoism, Buddhism, Confucianism, Islam, Christianity) that are still present in China today, not "destroyed" like you said.
I am not religious person, but I can assure you that all those "holy" prophets always have their own agenda. Jesus will tell you he is the only prophet of God (under Chrisitanity) but few years later, another prophet, Muhammad would come to tell you the same thing (under Islam). Ever since then, numerous people later have made similar claims and so on. I am sorry if I am being disrespectful but this is real phenomena that continues long after Jesus, Mohamad, etc. For example the Taiping Rebellion in 1850 was started because a man named Hong Xiuquan, who believed himself to be the younger brother of Jesus Christ. The Taiping Rebellion is often ranked among World's Top 10 wars by highest death toll.
List of wars by death toll (of which Taiping Rebellion is usually among Top 10)
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wars_by_death_toll
Maybe I wasn't entirely correct in saying China didn't have Crusades or Holy wars, if Taiping Rebellion is to be counted as a type of holy war. With this is mind, it shows how dangerous some religions can be to Chinese society and that steps have to be taken to keep them in check. Who knows if this Falun Gong cult could have created another equally deadly civil war in China, drawing from China's experience with Taiping Rebellion? Falun Gong was created only in 1991 and had already grew to such immense prominence in China, that the communist party fears a possible repeat of the Taiping Rebellion.
If you refuse to look at cult websites, then there's nothing more I can do here. You will have to judge for yourself whether Falun Gong is a cult for yourself then. Falun Gong has penetrated Israel I agree, but look at this article when they say they are attempting raise public awareness about the persecution of the practice in China. Why would a supposed "religion" suddenly want to involve itself in politics in China? That already sounds off warning bells to anyone who understands how cults are created. Falun Gong has a "political" aspect behind it, which qualifies it as a cult. If Christians were to go around telling others how Jerusalem is occupied by other religions, then wouldn't it qualify as a cult, due to the political aspect behind it?
Falun Dafa in the Holy City of Jerusalem
http://falunau.org/2017/10/falun-dafa-holy-city-jerusalem/
If Falun Gong truly wasn't a cult, then they wouldn't promote the fact that it is persecuted in China. They would simply teach their values and move on, instead of making other "sympathize" with them. Lastly, what has "Red Communism" got to do with Falun Gong persecution? How is Communism and Falun Gong even linked at all? For example, do you consider Vietnam a communist country too, since it is single party with communist doctrine still being taught? What about Falun Gong practitioners in Vietnam then?
As for Jews in Kaifeng, I don't know what your media portrayed about the government clamping down on Jewish culture, but Western media is usually biased in portraying the Chinese government as anti-religious. They tend to omit important details and in this video below, we can see the response from people who interviewed Jews there.
Chinese authorities clamp down on tiny Jewish community
www.youtube.com/watch?v=KWDEpUY06xk
From above source, the person Barnaby Yeh being interviewed posted a comment saying "You have mischaracterized my story, as have so many from the media. I wasn't forced to leave from a government edict. Instead, I left because someone within the community had made a report to the police regarding my activities. This is linked to the asylum case of one You Qing, currently residing illegally in the United States. Her family made a number of reports to the police which began the so-called "crackdowns" in the first place. It is absolutely frustrating that media outlets continue to omit this important detail. I did not denounce the central government's policy vis-a-vis religion. I merely stated that it was rational for the central government to be skeptical of religious activity, as it has been a vehicle to start uprisings in the past. Let us never forget the lessons of Falun Gong."
It should also be noted that these "Jews" no longer seem interested in their ancient history and culture, and seem content in being labelled as Han Chinese. Many immigrants to countries have over the years, learn to adopt cultures of their host country and assimilate into the host culture.
I do not know anything about UN Prayer room (Lucius) and its link to China's and Russia's veto. I see a room with a mosaic/mural at one wall, illuminated by cove lights, and a rectangular block of some stone-like material in the middle.
I am glad you enjoyed my videos, despite it mostly being timelapse. If you dislike time-lapse and prefer to immerse yourself in the moment, then this breathtaking-view of Shanghai . Shanghai has changed much, and is now like futuristic city, with colorful lights and skyline that can rival other developed cities. Shanghai is world's most populous city, a global financial centre and transport hub, with the world's busiest container port. Be sure to watch in HD for maximum immersion.
'Shanghai' - LAOWA Aerial Footage
youtube.com/watch?v=1cC-j4_NtvE
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+Peter Byrne You claim atheist have no understanding of heaven, then what makes you think Buddhist or Christians know any better? Heaven, God and Religion are all human constructs, so what makes you think you know "Heaven" any better than atheists? I asked you what you meant by "righteous" god and why you "think" he will not resort to cunning? Do Gods exist in your mind according to the way you're supposed to perceive them?
Yin and Yang is NOT Buddhism, it is Taoism, and it is NOT equal to your Western notions of good and evil. Yin represents coldness, static, night, femininity, negative, and other aspects, whereas Yang represent heat, energy, masculinity, positive, and other aspects. But there is no real Good and Evil like you claim, and both forces need be present for balance.
People like you fail to even see that you are being used for political purposes like what the Falun Gong cult is doing to you. If you really believe it as religion, then it should be about improving yourself, not about the political affairs of other countries. Qigong, Taoism, Buddhism and other orthodox religions don't involve politics now do they? Falun Gong is trying to gain your sympathies by concocting fake stories about organ harvesting, when I have already shown that international representatives in China have found no such evidence. Yet Falun Gong cult continues to propagate this rumor to gain sympathy from people like you.
Exactly, nobody knew about Falun Gong, only until it spread out of China. But other Chinese religions and practices like Qigong, Taoism, Buddhism, etc, are well-known even outside of China, and they represent true Chinese traditions. So the only way Falun Gong cult can actually gain any distinction is by propagating this organ harvesting rumor. As for Vietnam, remember you are the one claiming Communism is against Falun Gong, when a communist country like Vietnam has Falun Gong, so what exactly is the link you are trying to make here? Every Communist country oppose Falun Gong is that what you trying say?
I have heard of Holocaust but tell me if the "Jews" in China are getting political then? There is a family of Kaifeng Jewish descendants that formally converted to Judaism and accepted Israeli citizenship so what makes you think the Chinese government is against Jews all of a sudden?
From a Village in China to the Wedding Canopy in Jerusalem
israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/89436
I have already disclosed my motivation some time ago, perhaps you failed to read it? China is our own country, with rich culture and 5000 years history and we have tried various political systems before, including democracy, but it failed to work out. Even communism worked well initally, but not later, so the government changed it. Who says a governing system has to remain static all the time? Today's China follows the principles of Socialism with Chinese characteristics, and if it doesn't work, I am confident the Chinese government will change and adapt, as it did switching from communism to capitalism.
On the other hand, your motivation makes little sense. You claim communism is evil, so is Vietnam evil because it is communist? What about Laos, who is also communist. You only target China because we have succeeded under communism, where it was expected to fail. 30 years ago, Nobody thought communist China would ever succeed or become global player, and after Soviet dissolution, many people expected PRC to follow suite. But we didn't and China grew become world's 2nd largest economy, with world's 2nd largest military expenditure, and PRC is very much involved in global politics today, than ever before.
All of this goes against your own preconceived notions of Good and Evil regarding communism, which is why you constantly want to deride China and pick at its flaws constantly. Chinese government is not perfect, but we have succeed under its leadership, as shown in my various timelapse videos, so why should Chinese people suddenly get rid of the government? As long as the government can deliver peace, tranquility amd economic progress, it will continue to enjoy support from many Chinese people.
If you want me to count the number of times I used "cult" then why do you refuse to look at Chinese media or Cult websites? You constantly dismiss my sources, so how else am I going to portray Falun Gong as a cult, if you continually ignore all my evidence? Cults are insidious and can fool people like you and me, if you are unable see past the facade and their true agenda.
All this talk of good and evil only satisfy people like you who believe in them. The world is not black and white. Who is good and who is evil, and who gets to decide? You? If you claim God decides, then how would you know His judgement? The communist party has done bad things, but it has also done good things. According World Bank, China’s poverty rate fell from 88% in 1981 to mere 6.5% in 2012, lifting 600 million people out of poverty in only 30 years. If that is not a good deed, then I don't know what is.
Look at entire population of Africa, which is roughly 1.2 billion people for example. The Chinese government lifted a number of people equal to half of Africa's entire population out of poverty in decades, compared to what Westerners been doing in Africa for centuries. This event has been termed "unprecedented" in human history, even by Western scholars, and many people believe that such phenomena unlikely to be repeated elsewhere, especially in such short duration. The Chinese government, while imperfect and making many mistakes in the beginning, has seemingly redeemed itself with this action alone, so why can't give us chance to pursue our own governance different from the West?
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+Red0100 Medieval Europe made use of Chinese inventions like the crossbow, which allowed even untrained peasants to fight against skilled archers. Besides gunpowder, Chinese invented the handcannon, handgrenade, fragmentation bomb, landmines, naval mines, exploding cannonballs, rocket launchers, multi-launch systems, and of course, fireworks. There was even an ancient Chinese flamethrower that was capable of launching a continuous stream of flame, just like the ones used in WW2 and Vietnam War.
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