Comments by "神州 Shenzhou" (@Shenzhou.) on "China congress: Xi Jinping declares 'new era' for China - BBC News" video.

  1. Why BBC change the meaning of the word 未来 to mean democracy?
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  2. 西方媒体非常傲慢与偏见。
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  3. China is not altogether isolated from the rest of the world. World events have shaped China, and China has also shaped world events.
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  4. Even if you disagree Chinese government system, China been peaceful for 30 years and have not been involved in any major war since 1979. But USA today is still bombing countries in Middle East, even in 21st century, so how is this considered lesser of two evils?
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  5. 西方人从来没有了解过礼数的真意思。
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  6. Chinese government imprisoning and jailing people, but still lose out completely to America having world's largest prison population. The incarceration rate so high in America, that US prisons are packed and overwhelmed, so some prisoners are being released onto the streets to ease the overcrowded situation. List of countries by incarceration rate en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_incarceration_rate
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  7. +AM Life Why do you say largest part China population still live in poverty? According to World Bank, China’s poverty rate fell from 88% in 1981 to mere 6.5% in 2012, so why still claim largest part of Chinese population are still living in poverty? Sure, its not 0%, but remember that China is world's largest population, so reducing poverty from 88% to 6.5% is astonishing feat. If every Chinese person somehow attained living standards as that of USA, then it could be possible that Earths resources would be depleted to sustain such large population at such high living standards. If you claim "free environment" needed to grow, then why not look at India, world's largest democracy. It has world's 2nd largest population and Republic of India was democratic since 1947, whereas People's Republic of China founded 2 years later (1949) than India. Yet China mostly overtaken India in virtually every aspect, so what makes you think that China would somehow be better under democratic system? As for Singapore, Hong-Kong, Macau, Japan, South Korea, most of them were ruled by authoritarianism at one point in their history which led to their growth. Singapore was ruled by authoritarian Lee Kuan Yew, and South Korea by Park Chung Hee. Even ROC (Taiwan) while claiming be "democratic" was ruled by Jiang Jieshi for many decades before free elections were held in ROC. The common thing shared by all these countries during their authoritarian rule, was that the country experienced tremendous economic growth during this period. Even today, China's economy is largest than all of them, and economies in Japan and Hong-Kong are said to be declining. I don't understand why you think a radical change in leadership, will somehow solve the economic issues of the country. You think American citizens angry at USA economy are doing the right thing, when they radically vote Trump into power to "Make America Great Again"? True, the whole US system isn't changed, but the leader can always revoke policies made by previous political party. For example, President Obama spent 8 years planning and developing the Trans Pacific Partnership, only for Trump to take over and cancel the TPP, simply because Trump disliked Obama (Obama humiliated Trump with his birth certificate) Because of his actions, 8 years of taxpayers money suddenly went down the drain just like that, because of one man's actions. So how exactly does changing the leader result in better policies? As for China's system, the government always present united front, and any good policies reflect well while bad policies reflect badly. For example, the communist party has to live with the consequences of Mao's policies and because of this, new measures such as age-limits are introduced to prevent people from attaining too much power. Also, the party supports long term policies, like the Belt and Road Iniaitive, which will take decades, even centuries to fully manifest, but China can achieve this, because our government is still expected to remain in power even after decades later. But US government changes every 4-8 years, so it is impossible for USA to have any long-term policies for the country spanning more than 8 years, without another person coming into power to sabotage it. China has many problems of our own like pollution, corruption and so on, but what makes you think giving people more liberties will somehow make them happier? Once you grant someone liberty, it is extremely difficult to retract it. For example, in America, there are loose gun laws, and every citizen has a right to bear firearms. Because of this, it is easier to commit crime like robbing banks, due to availability of guns to the public, than in other countries with stricter gun laws. American Policemen also encounter more danger in their work, due to higher possibility of suspects being armed. The American government is having difficulty in introducing stricter gun laws, because doing so will be seen as taking away people's freedoms in the American citizen's eyes. Therefore, from the American gun law example, I would say China is in no hurry to introduce such liberties to the common Chinese people, if it can be avoided. For example, China is slowly shifting from fossil fuels by stopping any more of such plants being built. But in America, the fossil fuel and petroleum industry are so big, that banning fossil fuels is going to be quite impossible to achieve in such short time. China poised to ban new coal-fired power stations afr.com/news/china-poised-to-ban-new-coalfired-power-stations-20160711-gq3izc
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  8. China has 5000 years of history, and of course, the names of China have changed over such long history. Only after the fall of the Qing government, did 漢 became the name of a nationality within China. Source: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Names_of_China#Han
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  9. The communist party has made mistakes in the past but they have long since acknowledged that Mao's policies weren't beneficial, and switched from Marxist policies to capitalism. It is the same governing party that brought success to China by making us world's 2nd largest economy and raising half a billion people out of poverty. Most Chinese people have put aside the past and as long as the government able to support economic growth, many Chinese are satisfied with current governing system.
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  10. 其实，新加坡也算是一党专政下的民主国家。 虽然一党专政，但它毕竟是通过议会斗争的手段获得执政地位，以政策制定能力和履行能力说服选民投它的票。新加坡政府意识到，一个执政党抑或说一个政府，如果有良好的“业绩”，让人民获得幸福、安全和有尊严，谁管一党专政还是多党执政？因此，新加坡政府在创造“业绩”方面下了许多功夫。 所以说，新加坡经验也可作为一党专政下清廉政府的良好典范。
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  11. Besides Osama, USA also invades countries in Middle East and cut off their heads (Muamar Gaddafi, Saddam Hussein, etc) and then install US puppets to replace them.
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  12. 为什么西方人对中国有如此偏见？
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  13. China and Russia don't mind sharing the whole world with USA, but apparently, USA is fighting to defend and continue its global hegemony.
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  14. 说真的，我并不同意中国在历史上是一个不追求霸权的国家。其实直到清末，中国都是一个追求霸权的国家。但是，随着时间的推移中国所追求的霸权发生了变化。和日不落帝国的全球领土霸权，美国的全球军事经济的霸权是不一样的。中国追求的渐渐变成了文化上的霸权，换句话说中国追求的是“以德服人”，用文化同化周围的邻邦，以展现自己文化的优越性。 现在，我相信中国不会是一个追求霸权的国家，特别是领土扩张武力威胁。主要是因为近代的100年对中国的影响特别特别的巨大。中日战争，彻底让中国从受害国的视角上明白了战争的残酷。中国是世界上最会从历史中找经验，学习并且“以史为镜”的。
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  15. If you are humble boy and only earn enough to survive, then it is thanks to affordable Chinese goods, that the cost of living in your country is kept low, and enables you to save on living expenses.
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  16. +Ivo fonsi According to statistics, China manufactures about 70-80% of the entire world's products, so its not far off saying that almost everything is made in China. As for Chinese immigrating out of China, it should be noted that China is world's most populous country, and it is likely that China does not have enough resources to support everyone equally. To China, the rest of the world is severely underpopulated, so there is no urgent need to stop Chinese from leaving China. Many Chinese also leave to study in overseas university and to seek employment opportunities elsewhere. There are also some corrupt Chinese that are on the run from corruption crackdown, so they hide in other countries, and buy up property in order to hide the money outside of China. But the government is also taking measures to get other countries to surrender such people back to China. I never said I am better than you or something like that. I only said that Chinese goods have helped kept people to save money on living expenses. Even if you completely boycott buying Chinese goods altogether, the presence of cheap goods in your country will affect the market prices of other similar goods and therefore lower their prices in order to successfully compete with Chinese goods. This is economic theory by the way.
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  17. +Ivo fonsi China also not paradise and there are problems like environmental pollution and corruption still plaguing the country. But the government is also taking steps to curb pollution, by banning non-electric cars, investing in renewable energy and reducing reliance on fossil fuels like coal plants (which burn dirty and create unwanted smog) The government also taking steps to tackle corruption issues, even those who have fled the country overseas. But of course, these measures take time to implement China's economy is 2nd largest in world, and its growth is driving much of the world economy today. If China's economy suddenly collapses, much of the world will be sent into recession, like America's 2008 financial crisis. Therefore, it is probably in other countries interest that Chinese government continue to maintain economic growth.
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  18. +Steven James DeBlasi Even in United States Military there are ongoing cases of rape. Rape within the US military has become so widespread that it is estimated that a female soldier in Iraq is more likely to be attacked by a fellow soldier than killed by enemy fire. Rape in the US military: America's dirty little secret theguardian.com/society/2011/dec/09/rape-us-military
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  19. +Steven James DeBlasi When did I ever said that women treated better in China than in Western democracies? Can you quote me the exact words I said? When did I mention anything about authoritarian political system actually better than democratic system? You are already making up assumptions about me that's all, when I haven't even talked about anything yet. You claim people instinctively crave freedom, is that why USA is having trouble with gun laws, since under US laws, citizens have the right to bear firearms? Taking away such a "liberty" would be considered going against freedom, which is why the US government has been unable to implement any successful gun laws. In the US, it is easier to commit crimes such as robbery due to easy access to guns by the populace. In other countries with stricter gun laws like China, it is much harder to commit such crimes because of scarcity of firearms, so why should China sudden follow the USA's own version of liberty? Chinese citizens enjoy safety because of gun control, and not every form of "liberty" is beneficial. Otherwise, how do you explain the fact that USA has world's highest prison population, even more than China? Guns being so easily available, only encourage more criminal acts, and makes life of policemen much more dangerous when suspects are more likely to carry guns?
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  20. Steven James DeBlasi Firstly when ever did I even said that "women in China are treated better"? You are the one putting words in my mouth when I clearly did not say such words at all. Seriously, when in my comments did I even mention "women" and "China" in same comment at all, before you started blatantly accusing me of saying so? Also now, when did I personally state that the China or the Communist Party of China are better than the USA here? Just by pointing out single specific flaws or problems? Whenever did I said all those lies you claimed I said?? You are deliberately trying put words in my mouth when I haven't even mentioned anything about the Communist Party of China being better than USA. You are the one claiming here that China's overall system is system/society better than USA or at least no worse, just because of one or two specific aspects alone, not me. Who here judges the whole system based on two aspects? Why are you explicitly claiming things that I have never even said at all? I never did said that these two points alone make China better than USA. You did. Now you claim that Chinese education system lacks critical thinking, when you are the one blatantly making up untrue assumptions about me, not based on any actual things I said? You obviously already harbor unreasonable biased opinion towards me, simply because you are imposing your own biased view onto me and then suddenly label me 50c here. You mean anyone who talks about American flaws is automatically considered 50c? It is clear that you already have your own self-imposed negative impression of me based off imaginary statements made up in your mind about me. The only reason you refuse to quote me what I said was because I clearly said no such things in the first place.
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  21. +Steven James DeBlasi I wrote that, because you were claiming Chinese government was imprisoning and jailing our own people. What is wrong with jailing our own people if they have committed crimes under Chinese laws? I only pointed out that USA has world's largest prison population as a fact, that even China does not match it, but how on Earth does it say that China is better than USA here? You are the one reading too much into my statements. As for rape in US army, it is also fact taken from an article, and I did not say anything about "women in China are treated better" so how is this grounds for blatantly accusing me of saying women in China are treated better? When did I even talk about women in China at all here before you started accusing me? All I did here was point out prevalence of rape in the US army, that's all. Now you suddenly claiming only three possibilities exist when comparing USA and China's political systems? Why do people like you only believe in absolutes, such as black and white? There is no government in the world that is absolutely "equal" to another government. Between China and USA, there are different aspects that are better or worse than each other, so why are you deliberately trying to shoehorn such a complex political entity as "government" into only three absolute possibilities with another government? There are infinite number of possibilities and scenarios where each government will fare better than the other, so why do you limit it to better, worst or equal? I think you are the one clearly lacking in critical thinking skills, if all you do is try to compare which government is better, worst or equal and only consider these possibilities. You think governments are fixed, static entities that somehow remain the same forever and don't change at all with time? How can you just conveniently stereotype governments into better, worst or equal, based on one or two aspects that's all?
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  22. +Steven James DeBlasi Every country has its own laws regarding what's acceptable and what's not. What about Saudi Arabian government continuing to arbitrarily arrest, try, and convict peaceful dissidents? Dozens of human rights defenders and activists are serving long prison sentences for criticizing authorities or advocating political and rights reforms. Under Saudi Arabian Islamic Law, women aren't even allowed to drive. Yet nary a word is even mentioned about this, because USA is steadfast ally with Saudi Arabia because it is rich in oil. Human Rights Watch: Saudi Arabia hrw.org/middle-east/n-africa/saudi-arabia You really think this does not happen in "democratic" countries. What about democratic Singapore? According to Human Rights Watch: Singapore "Singapore’s political environment is stifling. Citizens continue to face severe restrictions on their basic rights to freedom of expression, association, and peaceful assembly. The government silences and punishes critics by using defamation laws. The media are regularly censored, particularly for discussions of domestic politics or positive depictions of LGBT people" Human Rights Watch: Singapore hrw.org/asia/singapore And yet Singapore still regarded as one of the most successful democracies worldwide. Doesn't its system sound suspiciously like China's, because Chinese government modeled our system over Singapore's? Once again you have shown to be believing only in Black and White that's all, when the whole world are actually shades of gray. Even you logic is A, B, C, which are all "absolutes" once again. You really think the whole world is consists of absolutes like A is always A, and B always come after A? Haven't you ever heard of "fuzzy" logic, that more closely mimics the real world, than your fixed absolute logic? I really don't understand how you are even demonstrating any "critical" thinking whatsoever here. Lastly, what makes you say the communist party of China is empirically bad? It does more harm than good to our people? The Chinese government is the same government that lifted 600 million people out of poverty, according to World Bank, as the one who ruled China during Mao's Red Communism period. You claim US government is not perfect, then why can't you see that China's government is not perfect as well? Just for comparison, the entire population of Africa is 1.2 billion people. So the communist government lifted a number of people roughly equivalent to 50% of the entire population of Africa out of poverty, in decades, as compared to what Western powers been doing to Africa for centuries. Such a phenomena has been termed "unprecedented" in human history, even by Western scholars, and it is said that such an event is unlikely to ever be repeated elsewhere on Earth. So how can you simply just claim that Chinese government has done more harm than good for Chinese people? How do you even measure such terms such as "harm" and "good" anyway?
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  23. +Steven James DeBlasi I am not German person, but it while it can be said that there are people who would defend Nazi Party, just as there are also people who would defend it. There is no "right" or "wrong" in this world. The Nazi party was formed because of German people's resentment over the Treaty of Versailles, as well as the inflation and state of Germany after WW1. Adolf Hitler rose to power because he preyed on German's people's anger over the treaty, which led to him being elected to eventually become Chancellor of Germany. Under Nazi's leadership, Germany grew powerful and heavily industrialized, and its effects can still be felt today in the form of excellent German engineering in automobiles, such as Volkswagen, and the V-2 rocket, which although was a weapon, still formed the basis of NASA rocket systems that enabled America to land on the Moon. Of course everyone knows of the atrocities of WW2, but there is still no denying that Nazi Party also contributed to progress and development of Germany. But does that mean I support Nazism here? Of course not. But I am not denying that Nazis did contribute to Germany's successful development as nation. Only people who believe in Black and White like you, will want to label things as better, worse or equal. China's poverty numbers were derived from the World Bank, so are you claiming that the World Bank is inaccurate? According to World Bank, China’s poverty rate fell from 88% in 1981 to mere 6.5% in 2012. China also has world's largest population, so reducing poverty from 88% to 6.5% is astonishing feat in itself. Besides poverty reduction, UNESCO has also measured Chinese literacy rate, and the adult literacy rate of China increased from 65.5% in 1982 to 96.4% in 2015 growing at an average annual rate of 10.39%. So how exactly again do you measure "harm" here?
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  24. +Steven James DeBlasi Because I, unlike you, do not believe in absolutes such as good or evil. Who is the one that keep on shoehorning such antiquated concepts into a discussion about politics? There always two sides to history, so who are you to label terms such as "harmful" onto a government, simply because of your own personal beliefs? If the Nazis had won WW2, the world would have been much different place altogether and they would of course portray all the bad things Allies had done isn't it? So why can't people look at history from an objective point instead? You keep on claiming that I am propagandist or part of 50c party, but do you even read your source carefully? According to your source, the 50c party operate in Chinese social media and internet forums, like Weibo, etc. It does not mention anything at all about them venturing into Western websites like Youtube. So why are you assuming that I am 50c or propagandist of the communist party? You mean anyone who expresses support for the Chinese government must be from 50c party? You are the one clearly lacking in "critical" thinking skills, if you fail to see that 50c reside within Chinese social media and internet forums, NOT in Western media. Chinese government has corruption, but at least there are corruption crackdowns campaigns undertaken by the party to root out corruption. On the other hand, US government also has corruption, but what steps have ever been taken to address the issue? President Trump promised during his presidential campaign to release his tax details upon become president of United States, but so far, he has not kept his promise. What about Hilary Clinton, who is being investigated for corruption by CIA, but so far, not much news and progress is made about her previous activities? Corruption is universal phenomena, but at least the Chinese government is actively willing to tackle this huge monster of a problem.
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  25. +Andy S I agreed with you. In my personal opinion, politics should be about doing what's right, not what's popular. Sometimes, the popular thing may not be right, and the right thing may not be popular. For example, British people had referendum whether to leave EU or not, and majority voted to leave the EU, but does that necessarily mean that it is the right thing to do? British PM David Cameron was against the separation, and he announced his resignation after hearing the results of the polling. As for China, China's One-Child Policy is extremely unpopular with Han Chinese, but it was put into effect in order to help prevent China being overwhelmed by massive population and having insufficient resources to support such large population. It did what it was supposed to do and was effective (almost too effective) in slowing down China's birthrate, and due to the declining birthrate, a new Two-Child Policy is introduced. China has 5000 years history and is one of world's oldest "continuous" civilizations still alive today, whereas other great ancient civilizations like Rome and Egypt have long since faded to history. China has over 3000 years of governing experience to draw upon, so I also don't understand why Westerners believe China should follow their governing systems when modern Western democracy only has history of about, say 200-300 years?
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  26. That must be what's called a "Freudian slip"
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  27. Many studies have shown Chinese to be among the most diligent and intelligent of peoples worldwide. Why should Chinese people consider ourselves inferior to Westerners in any way? Westerners became powerful because of Chinese inventions like gunpowder, and they colonized other countries to plunder them of resource, genocide of native and locals, and then import slaves from Africa to do their work for them, that is how Western societies are built. Even till today, America and Australia are actually occupied territories that should be returned to Native Americans and Australian aboriginals respectively. Chinese people don't want the same thing that happened to those countries, to happen to China, and it is thanks to PLA being world's largest land army, that British, USA and Japan think twice before invading our lands like they did before.
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  28. Chinese workers work hard to make all those products like smartphones, computers, laptops, appliances, electronics, clothing, toys, sneakers, etc, so that foreigners can afford them and help keep cost of living low in their countries. Think of the millions of dollars you people have saved over the years on daily living expenses, thanks to affordable Chinese goods.
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  29. 我们要继续努力～为中国创造更加美好的未来。🇨🇳 We must continue our efforts to create a better future for China. 🇨🇳
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  30. Actually, the communist party of China has been said be more capitalist than some Western countries.
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  31. 中巴是全天候友谊，我们两国的长久友好关系建基于互信、互惠互利、相互尊重和互不干涉内政等原则。
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  32. Chinese civilization is one of world's oldest "continous" civilization and the last of the 4 Great Ancient Civilizations (others being Mesopotamia, Rome and Egypt) still alive today. Western believe in democracy, but even "democratic" Roman empire did not last, and fell to barbarians when democracy tore the empire apart. But Chinese civilization still present today through passage of time, whereas the other civilizations have faded to historical textbooks.
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  33. 西方媒体太傲慢～终有一天他们体制一定会失败。
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  34. USA keep on invading the countries in Middle East, and cut off the country's head (Muammar Gaddafi, Saddam Hussein, etc) in order to install their own US puppet there.
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  35. +AM Life Why spreading "democracy" is considered something good, if it has led to various wars in Korea, Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan, etc? Russia and China are considered meddling in global affairs, when USA is the one spreading "democracy" and sending warships and bombers halfway across the world to wage war in Middle East and Asia? Our countries ARE in Asia, whereas the USA isn't, so what is America's business when its mainland is not threatened across the Pacific Ocean? Russia and China at least have a vested interest in peace and stability in Asia, not the USA. France, Germany, Scandinavia, Canada, Australia, exactly how are those countries several times better than China and Russia in every aspect? Do those countries have world's 2nd largest economy like China? Do those countries have world's 2nd and 3rd defense spending, like China and Russia? Are those countries willing to stand up against the USA when they believe that USA should not interfere in Syria, Afghanistan and Middle East, or are they just US puppets that agree to whatever demands America wants? Exactly how are these countries going to "balance" against USA, if they are helpless against whatever action US takes? For example in 2004, UN General Secretary of State, Kofi Annan had called the US invasion of Iraq "illegal," but President Bush still went ahead invade Iraq on suspicion of WMD, but found nothing in the end. You act like every country has to follow democracy to be successful, but why can't Russia and China follow our own governing systems, if they have worked out for our countries? Nobody said everyone in the world has to follow Western democracy, so why is USA spreading "democracy" and meddling in affairs in Eurasia, from across the Pacific Ocean?
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  36. Speaking of slaves, did you know that India has world's largest slave population that is 5 times more than any other country in the world
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  37. US army most powerful military in the world, but still take over 15 years to fight some terrorists in Iraq, Afghanistan and other countries in Middle East. The soldier's spouse, family and kids could have all grown up in the duration it takes for USA to finish a war.
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  38. 应该换名叫 傻逼逼吸
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  39. 懂得说英语也没用～这些洋喷子都不喜欢讲道理。
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  40. China was once democratic when Dr Sun Yatsen overthrew Qing dynasty and established Republic of China. It lasted for 38 years (1912-49) but during this messy period, China was not unified. Tibet broke away from China, and many warlords ruled over individual provinces of China. Sun tried get assistance from the Western powers, but they mocked China for attempting to copy their governing system. China was part of Allies during WW1, but Westerners gave away Chinese Shandong Province (which Germans captured) to Japan, instead returning it to China. Dr Sun died before he could realize a unified China. Next China tried communism, and under Mao Zedong China was finally unified under People's Republic of China, which the previous ROC administration failed to achieve. Mao managed to expel foreign influence from China, but while he was brilliant strategist able to seize control of China over KMT, he was also a poor governor. His policies led China to economic disaster, and he even made self-criticism, and stepped down as state chairman after failure of Great Leap Forward. So Deng Xiaoping stepped forward, and introduce capitalist reforms in 1970s since the communist market just wasn't working out, and thanks to his reforms, China has opened up to the Western markets, and modernized. According to World Bank, China’s poverty rate fell from 88% in 1981 to mere 6.5% in 2012. Literacy rate of China increased from 65.5 % in 1982 to 96.4 % in 2015 growing at an average annual rate of 10.39%. Things finally looking up as China modernizes itself under CPC leadership and this is the same party that governed China previously in "Red Communism" China. Today, President Xi Jinping is leading China, and the government follows what's been described as socialism with Chinese characteristics. Today China is world's 2nd largest economy in, with strong land army PLA to deter Britain and Japan from invasion like they did in the path, as well as having big presence in global political stage and potential rival to USA. China also has Belt and Road Initiative that plans to expand economic development to Europe and all the states in between Europe and China. As you can see, it was not easy for China to arrive at where we are today. China was democratic once, but it didn't work out well, and while communism unified the country, our economy suffered. So now China is pursuing our own governing system our own way that is suited for China. Most Westerners are still "stuck" in the "Red Communist China" when most Chinese have long since moved on from that phase. As long as the current government can continue to create economic growth, Chinese people see little need to drastically change the system as it is.
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  41. +Peter Bryne What makes you think Mao is not great strategist? He turned the communist party of China, from small group of only 50 members in the beginning of 1921, into the ruling party of People's Republic of China in 1949, going against initially superior numbers of the KMT, the Japanese and other foreign powers. How is this not considered brilliant strategy by anyone's measures? Even Western scholars have acknowledged his strategies such as the Long March. Are you sure you have read a fair amount on this subject? Do you think it was all attributed to luck? Just because self criticism is communist trait, so it automatically means its wrong to do so? At least Chinese leaders have reflected on past mistakes and make the effort to learn from it. But what about in USA, when President Bush invaded Iraq on suspicion of harboring WMD, only to find out that there weren't any WMD? Where is the "self-criticism" for Bush to reflect on that unnecessary invasion? He only did that because Americans were angry over 9/11 bombing, and that they needed something for them to vent their frustrations out against, which is why USA invaded Iraq. The West actually opposed China's entry in to the World Trade Organization. According the following source, China aimed to be included as a WTO founding member (which would validate it as a world economic power) but this attempt was thwarted because United States, European countries, and Japan requested that China first reform various tariff policies, including tariff reductions, open markets and industrial policies. The United States imposed additional conditions on China, and when China joined the WTO, it agreed to considerably harsher conditions than other developing countries China and the World Trade Organization en.wikipedia.org/wiki/China_and_the_World_Trade_Organization Those poverty figures were obtained from the World Bank, not from CPC, so are you implying that the World Bank is wrong in its assessment of China? The literacy rate in China also obtained from UNESCO, so why are you claiming that the data is from CPC? Exactly what do you even know about China's education system? As of 2013, China is the most popular country in Asia for international students and ranks 3rd in overall among countries. China's education ranks third among countries that host the most international students, usnews.com/education/best-global-universities/articles/2013/10/08/explore-the-worlds-top-universities Like I said, it is clear that most Westerners like you are still "stuck" in this "Red Communism" China mindset, whereas many Chinese people and the government have long since moved beyond this period and put it behind us. Also, why do foreigners like you care what happens to people in China? Those things happen to Chinese people, and if Chinese people can forgive the government, then why should foreigner like you make noise? There so many crimes and atrocities committed in the world by people on another ethnic race, such as Rape of Nanjing and Unit 731 by Japanese soldiers, as well as European people genocide of American native people, occupying their lands and importing slaves from Africa, so why single out what Chinese people did to Chinese here? People like you have obviously been poisoned by Western media, and just regurgitate same old biased viewpoints. In China, organ harvesting used to be conducted on deathrow prisoners with their or their relatives permission(and of course, they are taken only after execution) and they are donated to families of the deceased, but this process is also being phased out by the government. The Sanlu milk powder scandal affected everyone in China as well as in rest of the world, but the culprit has been arrested and government has been taking measures to improve safety standards to ensure such things do not happen again. And what's this about fisherman refusing to rescue drowning students all about? That is not related to the government, and China is vast country so you can't label all Chinese people like that. Besides, if they let the student drown, what makes you think that the fisherman is able to find the "bodies" afterwards? You are just spreading malicious lies without much basis behind them. The government that governed China during "Red China" period, is still the same government that lifted 600 million people out of poverty in 30 years. Just for comparison, the entire population of the continent of Africa is about 1.2 billion people. So in effect, the Chinese government lifted a number of people equal to half of Africa's entire population out of poverty in decades, compared to what Western powers have done in Africa for centuries. This phenomena has been quoted as being "unprecedented" in human history, even by Western scholars, and many people believe such an astonishing is unlikely to be repeated again elsewhere by other countries, especially in such short duration.
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  42. +Peter Byrne You think every war strategy has to be about attacking the enemy all the time? The Communist party was initially heavily outnumbered by KMT forces and it is this Long March retreat, that enabled the communists to bide their time and survive while waiting for opportunity to strike back. You clearly haven't read Sun Zi's "The Art of War" to know how to fight numerically superior opponent with smaller numbers. It was thanks to Long March that CCP was able to survive the odds against KMT and eventually won in the end, that's why it is called good strategy, not simply because it is a retreat alone. According to your source, again it demonstrates the tactics used by communist party, from being on the verge of extinction by KMT, to seizing complete control over China. The CCP were numerically inferior to KMT and Japanese forces, so of course they can't engage the enemy directly and resorted to guerilla warfare and sabotage mission instead, and relied on KMT and Japanese to wear each other down. That course of action is still a demonstration of good strategy in any real warfare textbook. You are constantly framing this issue in "moral" point of view, but not in a "strategic" point of view. Otherwise, how could CCP hope to defeat the numerically superior KMT and Japanese forces. You think "morality" alone is enough to justify KMT's reasons for figthing? The source claims that KMT were busy uniting the country, but it still failed, because China was adminstered by KMT from 1912-1949 (38 years) but they still failed to unify a divided China. Tibet was not part of China during this period and many regions ruled by warlords and the Japanese were also invading China. Also, remember that Chinese Civil War was actually started by KMT during Shanghai massacre of 12 April 1927, when 5,000-10,000 communists were purged. So exactly how is KMT considered "unifying" China here? In war, there is no such thing as right or wrong, and in the end, whoever gains control of China is the true victor, and nobody expected the communist party to be able to defeat KMT and claim all of China. That is why I said Mao is good strategist here, because his actions eventually led CCP to triumph over its adversaries. As for self-criticism, I don't understand why you think the the government hasn't admitted their mistake during Great Leap Forward and so on. According to Baidu (Chinese version of Wikipedia) it is explicitly stated that the Chinese government regards Great Leap Forward as unprecedented economic catastrophe, and that the government is also taking actions to correct this problem. There is even estimated death toll of 21.58 million Chinese people. So what is wrong with "self-criticism" here? At least it is still an admission of some sort. Baidu: Great Leap Forward (in Chinese) baike.baidu.com/item/大跃进 Baidu: Great Leap Forward (Translated) translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&u=https%3A%2F%2Fbaike.baidu.com%2Fitem%2F%25E5%25A4%25A7%25E8%25B7%2583%25E8%25BF%259B&edit-text=&act=url The communist government has learn harsh lessons from these mistakes and long since moved on without following the path of Marxism/Maoism, but can you say the same thing for USA and its invasion of Iraq? Even when after Bush, and after no WMD were found after invading Iraq, America still continued to engage in wars in the Middle East, such as in Afghanistan and Libya. Who is the government here that hasn't learnt from its mistakes? Because US has two-party system, they can easily blame the opposing party for all of America's faults. But in China's government, both the good things and bad things are attributed to the communist party all the time, and the communist party that maintains China's economic growth today is the same government that ruled China during Maoist period. Even if you keep on dismissing all statistics from World Bank or UNESCO as being from CPC, then what about the article claiming China is 3rd most popular destination for international students? Those statistics are derived from the number of students that choose to study abroad in China, so isn't this a reliable indication of progress of China's education system? Since it is the best in the region according to that article, that means that more international students visit Chinese universities, than they do for Japanese universities or S. Korean universities. So why are you still acting like every statistic out of China is faked? The government of China has made it very clear that China is NOT exporting our form of governance to other countries, so why do you still complain about China meddling in your affairs and trying to promote our ideology? What about USA traveling halfway across the world to spread its ideology in Vietnam, Korea, Iraq, Afghanistan and other parts of Asia and Middle East? Which country is the one actively promoting its ideology even till today, to the point that it is willing to go to war with other countries? China does not believe in spreading our ideology, unlike Soviet Russia, or USA with democracy. You think Falun Gong is good? Why? Are you a member of it then? Otherwise, what business is Falun gong to you when you only heard one side of the story? Just like "live" organ harvesting here, what makes you automatically assume that the organs are even taken "live" at all? It is clearly made up by Falun gong to demonize the government, by its phrasing. Also, you mentioned that China has 50,000-80,000 people just suddenly go missing EVERY year unreported? So in the last 5 years alone, 250,000-400,000 people have all varnished? That's almost quarter to half of million people missing just like that. And Chinese people don't know anything about it? China Uncensored is not the most trustworthy source for reliable news about China and most of it is just funded propaganda meant to criticize China's government and conceal China's progress. Why don't you come to China yourself and see what its like instead of watching online videos only? Here is fun 2 minute video about the nightview of 11 cities in China. Beautiful Night View of China 2016 (11 cities in 2 minutes) youtube.com/watch?v=G7ZRa-w9xyA
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  43. +Peter Byrne My motivation was that China has tried various political systems before, including democracy, but it failed to work out for China. China has also tried communism, and while it worked to unify China, where previous administration failed, it did not help our economy, so the government changed. China today is no longer Marxist, but neither is it fully democratic and our economy been described as more capitalist than some Western countries. Today China follows "socialism" with Chinese characteristics, so why can't China follow our own path different from the West? Must all countries adopt Western democracy to be successful? No, and China is living proof of that. Exactly what do you even know about strategy? In strategy, the ends justify the means, and you have to cunning and sneaky to win. CPC had numerically inferior numbers, and had CPC fought the Japanese directly, they would have failed and be completely wiped out. How is your approach considered strategy at all? Like I said, you frame "morality and righteousness" over real "strategy". You call Long March a "retreat," but still it is a move that enabled CCP to survive to eventually defeat KMT in 1949. That is real strategy, not the "righteous" point of view you are trying to impose here. Are you sure you even read "The Art of War" by Sun Zi (both Sun Zi and Sun Tzu are acceptable) at all? One of the chapters mentions the use of deception in warfare. Quoted and translated, it is "The strong must appear weak and the weak must appear strong" and Mao has demonstrated this ability a few times. Even looking at Mao Zedong's Wikipedia page en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mao_Zedong you can find the word "strategy" mentioned number of times, so why are you keep on denying that Mao Zedong is a strategist here? Those "uprisings" were conducted against the other provincial warlords like the Zhili clique and so on, and not directly against the KMT. Jiang Jieshi initiated an unprovoked purge of Communist parties within the KMT, and that is known to be the starting point of the Chinese Civil war. Virtually every textbook defines KMT's purging of communist as the beginnings of the Chinese Civil war here. It should also be noted that KMT was unpopular among Chinese peasants and heavily corrupted during Chinese Civil War, having hoarded material, armament and military-aid funding. President Truman even made comment saying "the Chiangs, the Kungs and the Soongs (were) all thieves" after pocketing almost $750 million in US aid. Under Chinese laws, the government reserves the right to censor information, so what's wrong with this? If Cambridge wants to publish books and articles on Chinese lands, then of course they will be subject to Chinese laws here. Also, what has your fisherman not rescuing students got to do with Chinese government or Chinese people? In your source, Chinese people themselves expressed outrage, and the fisherman is not "communist party agent" or anything, so what has it got to do with this issue at all? Does that lone fisherman represent all of China, its people and our government? My Baidu link to Great Leap Forward, shows you that Chinese people are aware of it, and that the party has made a self-criticism of the GLF and made amends to rectify its effects. If China was truly that censored, then why not cover up GLF in the first place and deny its death toll altogether? All your source seems to come from China Uncensored, so what makes you think that it is reliable, when you quote it as your source? Haven't you ever notice that hardly any news media, both Western or Chinese, ever talks about your so-called "live" organ harvesting? Only China Uncensored seems interested in propagating the rumors, so what makes you think that organ harvesting continues even till today? If it was such a bother for foreigner like you, then why don't President Trump approach President Xi Jinping to talk about supposed "live" organ harvesting? Why doesn't Angela Merkel or other European leader approach China to talk about this issue? Because there is still insufficient proof altogether. You mean some figures are able to enough prove that such things are being carried out on daily basis? Why doesn't rest of the world even care about this atrocities at all? Since you been to China, then you know that all those wonders were achieved under the communist party, which is the same party that led China through Red Communist China. Building modern China was not easy process, and it was built upon the sweat and blood, tears and sacrifice of Chinese people to turn a war-torn, poor and starving country, into the economic powerhouse and potential rival to USA. Along the way, there are bound to be mistakes and failures, and only by trial and error, did Chinese government managed to become what it is today. Every country deserves its own shot at success, so why can't Chinese government follow our own path to success by ourselves? Here is another beautify video capturing various viewpoints of China by a foreigner. It has almost everything good and bad about China, from mountains and deserts, ancient monuments to modernization, from coal plants and oil rigs to wind and solar energy, from ghost cities to megacities, from destruction to construction. It can be considered the face of truth about what China really is, all in just 4 minutes. China From Above by Stef Hoffer youtube.com/watch?v=p1e68fqMkME
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  44. +Peter Byrne Neither does your motivation explain exactly why you are here. You think communism is evil and CCP is interfering in your affairs and trying promote it's ideology outside China. Then what about USA spreading democracy across the Pacific Ocean into Asia? Isn't that spreading ideology as well? As for CPC spreading communism, those "communist" apps are only available to Chinese citizens. And the Cambridge article only applies to the government censoring information of China Quarterly within China. So exactly how do these points align with you motivation that CPC is trying promote its ideology outside China? President Trump's election has also spawned numerous political apps in America. According to following source, more than 60 mobile apps on politics have been created due to Trump becoming President of USA. usatoday.com/story/tech/news/2017/02/21/political-apps-all-rage-trump-era/98063488/ So what is wrong with Chinese government promoting "communist" apps in Chinese phones? If you watch your own source carefully, it says those apps are available, but does that mean every Chinese person has to make use of those apps? It says "*If* you wanna brush up on knowledge of Marxist, ... ... If you wanna singalong to communist songs.... If you wanna hear retellings of Long March... If you want to virtually sweep tombs..." so what is wrong with these apps? Nobody is forcing Chinese citizens to make use of them if they don't want to. Why are you suddenly drawing attention Stalin here? What has Stalin's strategies got to do with Mao here? Stalin performed wave attacks because he had numerically superior troops, but the communist party did not had such numbers. You are switching the topic about just to confuse me here by introducing other concepts here. Like I said, in strategy, as long as you achieve your objective, which for CCP is control over China, then isn't that strategy considered successful? After all, CCP is the one in control of mainland China, not KMT. You obviously have not read the real "Art of War", if you think a general can win by not being "underhanded." You are imposing your own Western Ideals of "righteousness" here. According to Sun Zi, All warfare is based on deception. Hence, when we are able to attack, we must seem unable; when we are near, we must make the enemy believe we are far away; when far away, we must make him believe we are near. What has Geneva Convention suddenly got to do with war strategy now? I'm sure you at least heard of Western saying: "All's fair in love and war" which means whatever soldiers in wartime are not bound by the rules of fair play. Spies, torture, lying, backstabbing, making deals with enemies, selling out allies, bombing civilians, wounding instead of killing, and so on are "fair game" in the sense that by taking these options off of the table you are only "limiting" yourself: Your opponent has no reason to comply to your moral standards. Even if you really never read "Art of War" this phrase should at least be familiar to you. There were few thousands communists that escaped from KMT, but after the Yan'An rectification movement, the CCP's numbers swelled, from less than 10,000 troops after Long March, to nearly 2.8 million members according to en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yan'an_Rectification_Movement#Background What makes you think that tens of thousands of patriotic youth were persecuted? The CCP were short of numbers against KMT, so why persecute those people who have come to join the CCP? How do you expect CCP to achieve a strength of over 2.8 million at the end of the movement, by persecuting tens of thousands of people? Every person recruited by the party during this period was too valuable to waste, therefore it is extremely unlikely that persecutions in such larges numbers ever happened. Regarding fisherman story, if CCP really destroyed Chinese "morality" like you claim, then why are there Chinese people outraged by the fisherman's actions in your source? If the CPC promote capitalism, then why did the teens risk their lives to rescue the children? You are obviously being biased here, and just associating every "bad trait" to the CCP, even when your "link" to them, is shaky. You think every Chinese person's actions are controlled by the government is that it? Once again, it all boils down to lack of evidence to back up your claims of "live" organ harvesting. You claim you have evidence of doctors involved defecting, recordings of hospital staff, then why don't confront China on these issues directly? You claim you have the "evidence" of live organ harvesting, but do not want to reveal it to the world? You claim to have witness a petition, but what has it achieved? Ultimately, whether real or imagined, this is internal affair within China, so what business is it of yours? Even looking at your wording, you said "live" harvesting right? That means while the person is still alive? Whatever is the benefit to harvesting organs "live" at all? Realistically, nobody does that, and what's the point of "terrorizing" people by live organ harvesting, when it is all supposedly hushed up? Have you actually stopped to think carefully about this rumor that you keep on propagating because of "news" you heard? If you claim CCP didn't brought success to China, and imply that "any other government" could have achieved what CCP did, then why not compare China to world's largest democracy, India. India has world's 2nd largest population after China, therefore, the 2nd largest workforce. Indian workers tend to speak English, whereas many Chinese workers still struggle with English, and India is democratic, while China is communist. Republic of India was founded in 1947, two years before People's Republic of China was founded in 1949. Yet in the last 30 years, China has surpassed India in many aspects. So no, I don't think China would have managed such level of success without CCP's help. Its easy to simply claim that "another government could have done it better" in hindsight, but in reality, hindsight is 50/50 Regarding censorship in China, while it true that access to Western websites like Youtube, Facebook, etc, are blocked, you can still use VPN to access Western websites. Many MNCs and foreign trade enterprises in China operate using Western websites, so they are granted special VPN licenses while in China. But of course they are subject to Chinese internet rules while operating in China. It is clear that perhaps you are still "stuck" in Red Communist China, when many Chinese people have long since moved on from that turbulent time. In this next video, instead of aerial view, it is time-lapsed street view of 3 modern Chinese cities. It starts off slow, but after 1 minute it shows these cities modernization while retaining some Chinese cultural heritage sites. Throughout the video you can observe the many foreign brands and companies in China and that most of them operate their own VPN in order to access Western websites. It also has more of the beautiful and colourful Chinese night life, seen this time from the point of view of someone on the street. Amazing China! (Guangzhou, Shanghai, Shenzhen) youtube.com/watch?v=RSgdUVxNrbM All these previous videos are all non-political in nature, and not trying force a message down your throat or anything. Whenever possible, I take these from foreigner point of view of China, and the images depict China as they see it. Its a pity that you will only probably visit China only after CCP is gone, because from many people's views, the CCP is likely here to stay for long while.
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  45. +Peter Byrne You are welcome to disagree about "Art of War" if you want, but it should be known that Art of War originated in 500 BC so its written about 2500 years ago and corresponded to a different time altogether. But it is still being taught at major military academies worldwide, including United States Military Intelligence personnel. UN veto is probably what makes keeps the UNSC "paralyzed" and unable to function effectively. China and Russia may have vetoed against USA, but similarly USA has also vetoed against our countries. But it should at least be noted that out of the 5 UNSC permanent members, China vetos the least number of times at only 11 whereas USA and Russia hold the most at 79 and 106 at this moment in time (2017) United Nations Security Council veto power en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Security_Council_veto_power#Most_common_users With regards to organ harvesting, there is an international panel of experts that have debunked such rumors according to the following source, claiming that the allegations that 60,000 to 100,000 organ transplants are performed in China each year using organs from so called "prisoners of conscience," are ridiculous Spotlight: Experts slam rumors of organ harvesting in China news.xinhuanet.com/english/2016-08/20/c_135617600.htm Although the above source is from Chinese media, the panel of experts are from international organizations such as -Francis Delmonico, former president of the Transplantation Society and professor of Harvard Medical School at the Massachusetts General Hospital -Michael Millis, professor of Surgery and chief of the Section of Transplantation of the University of Chicago Hospitals -José Nuñez, medical officer in charge of global organ transplantation at the World Health Organization. Nuñez also remarked that 60,000 and 100,000 organ transplants are equal to the transplant activity of the entire world and is practically impossible. For example, in 2015 there is estimated total of 120,000 organ transplants occurring world wide. Estimated number of organ transplantations worldwide in 2015 (total: 126,670) statista.com/statistics/398645/global-estimation-of-organ-transplantations/ For religion in China, China has had many religions coexisting relatively peacefully with each other, with Taoism, Buddhism, Confucianism (not really a religion, more like set of principles) as well as Islam and Christianity. However, there never been any Crusade, Holy wars or Jihad throughout Chinese history. Judaism is forms quite minor part of Chinese history, but because both of us share many similar values, such as respect for family and elders, resulting in harmonious coexistence. Both of us also value specific character traits, like thriftiness, cunning and having a knack for business. For example, Jews are known to be thrifty, calculative businessmen, very much the same way most people describe Chinese businessmen. It is this sharing of similar traits that makes us close. Ultimately though, China is atheist state, and puts the government above any religious organization. Therefore, religion should never be allowed to interfere with effective governance. Christianity and Islam are allowed in China, but there has to be clear distinction between politics and religion. But as long as there isn't interference, then you are free to practice whatever religion you want in China. Falun Gong has been described as a cult, hijacking traditional Chinese practices like Qigong. The government doesn't ban Qigong, because it is truly ancient tradition of China, with 4000 years history, and early morning in China you can find many people practicing real Qigong, not Falun Gong, which only existed since 1990s. That should already set off alarm bells that it is probably a cult. Here are some other people's point of view Scholars refute Falungong's organ rumor culteducation.com/group/1254-falun-gong/29725-scholars-refute-falungong-s-organ-rumor.html -Wimal Hewamanage, a senior lecturer on Pali and Buddhist studies at Sri Lanka's University of Colombo, said, "I've spent many years in China and have seen no evidence to suggest the Chinese government forces Falungong practitioners to donate organs." -"Absolutely, Falungong is one of the most destructive cults, which destroys human minds and physical health," said Alexander L. Dvorkin, a professor from St. Tikhon's Orthodox University in Moscow." Even in Holy city of Jerusalem, Falun Gong posters at the gates are taken down. culteducation.com/group/1254-falun-gong/27349-chinese-cult-illegally-takes-jerusalem-s-main-gate.html About strategy again, you can reject use of underhanded means to achieve victory, but then, you are only depriving yourself of an option, and your adversary has no reason not to use underhanded methods as necessary. Take for example, terrorists, who often use civilians in their causes. I am not justifying the cause of terrorists, but I am saying that their methods are effective, since the world's most powerful military, the USA, is still unable to defeat them and claim victory, even after 15 years of warfare. With Mao, I am comparing his strategy, which enabled the small Chinese communist party to grow to become governing party of world's most populous nation today. That is real strategy, that even neutral and objective Western scholars have acknowledged Mao as strategist, so I am not alone in my thinking here. China has long since progressed beyond Red Communism during Mao's era, and embrace capitalism today. Did you watch the Amazing China! (Guangzhou, Shanghai, Shenzhen) video I posted? Did you notice many foreign companies in China, and many of them have VPN license by government to access Western websites. Guangzhou is very colorful at night, and do the Chinese people look like they are being repressed... ... or celebrating China's modernization? I have another 4 minute video, this time about Beijing. Since you like more of the nature and culture aspect of China, then this video shows many of China's historical sites, and nature, like lakes, peach gardens, parks. It shows more of China's beautiful night life, and modern and futuristic architecture like CCTV Headquarters and Soho residences. It ends off with a virtual tour of Beijing, highlighting cultural sites and monuments in Forbidden City, as well as residential districts and backalleys. As always, for maximum immersion, watch this video in HD A Glance at Beijing https://youtu.be/-UuJxmU6OCQ
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  46. +Peter Byrne If you want to create new and own religion or practice, then it is obvious that older existing religions will see yours as competition. Almost every child goes through elementary schools, because they form the fundamental basics, but not everyone goes to college. Gods and Demons are above human imposed notions of good and evil. For example, exactly what is a "righteous" god, and who says he won't resort to cunning? Even human cunning is no match for the true wits of a god. In short, they aren't bound by what humans consider good or evil. If you reject every Chinese source I quote, then what about the opinions offered by international experts in those sources? Francis Delmonico from Massachusetts General Hospital? Michael Millis from University of Chicago Hospitals? José Nuñez from WHO? Wimal Hewamanage from Sri Lanka's University of Colombo? Aren't these people also speaking up for China about supposed organ harvesting? Even in this next source, there is an international organ trafficking researcher from Australia (your country?) Campbell Fraser, who debunked that China uses cult practitioners’, prisoners’ organs Rumors debunked that China uses cult practitioners’, prisoners’ organs globaltimes.cn/content/1043057.shtml From above source, "A number of Western politicians, academics and lawyers have used Falun Gong for their political objectives against the Chinese government … Saying China had used prisoners' organs, is their way of claiming those executed were Falun Gong practitioners, and this is nonsense," said Fraser. I do agree that religions are really nothing more than tools of the state or whatever forces that spawned them. That is why the Chinese government is atheist and separates religion from politics. Also, who can truly separate what is "real" religion, from what isn't? Cults and terrorism hijack religions such as Islam and pose as "seemingly" real religions in order to recruit more people to their cause. Also, what makes you think Confucianism is destroyed along with the "others" in China? People in China still visit our ancestor's graves to pay respects and so on. This China travel guide websites travelchinaguide.com/intro/religion/ lists the same five religions (Taoism, Buddhism, Confucianism, Islam, Christianity) that are still present in China today, not "destroyed" like you said. I am not religious person, but I can assure you that all those "holy" prophets always have their own agenda. Jesus will tell you he is the only prophet of God (under Chrisitanity) but few years later, another prophet, Muhammad would come to tell you the same thing (under Islam). Ever since then, numerous people later have made similar claims and so on. I am sorry if I am being disrespectful but this is real phenomena that continues long after Jesus, Mohamad, etc. For example the Taiping Rebellion in 1850 was started because a man named Hong Xiuquan, who believed himself to be the younger brother of Jesus Christ. The Taiping Rebellion is often ranked among World's Top 10 wars by highest death toll. List of wars by death toll (of which Taiping Rebellion is usually among Top 10) en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wars_by_death_toll Maybe I wasn't entirely correct in saying China didn't have Crusades or Holy wars, if Taiping Rebellion is to be counted as a type of holy war. With this is mind, it shows how dangerous some religions can be to Chinese society and that steps have to be taken to keep them in check. Who knows if this Falun Gong cult could have created another equally deadly civil war in China, drawing from China's experience with Taiping Rebellion? Falun Gong was created only in 1991 and had already grew to such immense prominence in China, that the communist party fears a possible repeat of the Taiping Rebellion. If you refuse to look at cult websites, then there's nothing more I can do here. You will have to judge for yourself whether Falun Gong is a cult for yourself then. Falun Gong has penetrated Israel I agree, but look at this article when they say they are attempting raise public awareness about the persecution of the practice in China. Why would a supposed "religion" suddenly want to involve itself in politics in China? That already sounds off warning bells to anyone who understands how cults are created. Falun Gong has a "political" aspect behind it, which qualifies it as a cult. If Christians were to go around telling others how Jerusalem is occupied by other religions, then wouldn't it qualify as a cult, due to the political aspect behind it? Falun Dafa in the Holy City of Jerusalem http://falunau.org/2017/10/falun-dafa-holy-city-jerusalem/ If Falun Gong truly wasn't a cult, then they wouldn't promote the fact that it is persecuted in China. They would simply teach their values and move on, instead of making other "sympathize" with them. Lastly, what has "Red Communism" got to do with Falun Gong persecution? How is Communism and Falun Gong even linked at all? For example, do you consider Vietnam a communist country too, since it is single party with communist doctrine still being taught? What about Falun Gong practitioners in Vietnam then? As for Jews in Kaifeng, I don't know what your media portrayed about the government clamping down on Jewish culture, but Western media is usually biased in portraying the Chinese government as anti-religious. They tend to omit important details and in this video below, we can see the response from people who interviewed Jews there. Chinese authorities clamp down on tiny Jewish community www.youtube.com/watch?v=KWDEpUY06xk From above source, the person Barnaby Yeh being interviewed posted a comment saying "You have mischaracterized my story, as have so many from the media. I wasn't forced to leave from a government edict. Instead, I left because someone within the community had made a report to the police regarding my activities. This is linked to the asylum case of one You Qing, currently residing illegally in the United States. Her family made a number of reports to the police which began the so-called "crackdowns" in the first place. It is absolutely frustrating that media outlets continue to omit this important detail. I did not denounce the central government's policy vis-a-vis religion. I merely stated that it was rational for the central government to be skeptical of religious activity, as it has been a vehicle to start uprisings in the past. Let us never forget the lessons of Falun Gong." It should also be noted that these "Jews" no longer seem interested in their ancient history and culture, and seem content in being labelled as Han Chinese. Many immigrants to countries have over the years, learn to adopt cultures of their host country and assimilate into the host culture. I do not know anything about UN Prayer room (Lucius) and its link to China's and Russia's veto. I see a room with a mosaic/mural at one wall, illuminated by cove lights, and a rectangular block of some stone-like material in the middle. I am glad you enjoyed my videos, despite it mostly being timelapse. If you dislike time-lapse and prefer to immerse yourself in the moment, then this breathtaking-view of Shanghai . Shanghai has changed much, and is now like futuristic city, with colorful lights and skyline that can rival other developed cities. Shanghai is world's most populous city, a global financial centre and transport hub, with the world's busiest container port. Be sure to watch in HD for maximum immersion. 'Shanghai' - LAOWA Aerial Footage youtube.com/watch?v=1cC-j4_NtvE
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  47. +Peter Byrne You claim atheist have no understanding of heaven, then what makes you think Buddhist or Christians know any better? Heaven, God and Religion are all human constructs, so what makes you think you know "Heaven" any better than atheists? I asked you what you meant by "righteous" god and why you "think" he will not resort to cunning? Do Gods exist in your mind according to the way you're supposed to perceive them? Yin and Yang is NOT Buddhism, it is Taoism, and it is NOT equal to your Western notions of good and evil. Yin represents coldness, static, night, femininity, negative, and other aspects, whereas Yang represent heat, energy, masculinity, positive, and other aspects. But there is no real Good and Evil like you claim, and both forces need be present for balance. People like you fail to even see that you are being used for political purposes like what the Falun Gong cult is doing to you. If you really believe it as religion, then it should be about improving yourself, not about the political affairs of other countries. Qigong, Taoism, Buddhism and other orthodox religions don't involve politics now do they? Falun Gong is trying to gain your sympathies by concocting fake stories about organ harvesting, when I have already shown that international representatives in China have found no such evidence. Yet Falun Gong cult continues to propagate this rumor to gain sympathy from people like you. Exactly, nobody knew about Falun Gong, only until it spread out of China. But other Chinese religions and practices like Qigong, Taoism, Buddhism, etc, are well-known even outside of China, and they represent true Chinese traditions. So the only way Falun Gong cult can actually gain any distinction is by propagating this organ harvesting rumor. As for Vietnam, remember you are the one claiming Communism is against Falun Gong, when a communist country like Vietnam has Falun Gong, so what exactly is the link you are trying to make here? Every Communist country oppose Falun Gong is that what you trying say? I have heard of Holocaust but tell me if the "Jews" in China are getting political then? There is a family of Kaifeng Jewish descendants that formally converted to Judaism and accepted Israeli citizenship so what makes you think the Chinese government is against Jews all of a sudden? From a Village in China to the Wedding Canopy in Jerusalem israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/89436 I have already disclosed my motivation some time ago, perhaps you failed to read it? China is our own country, with rich culture and 5000 years history and we have tried various political systems before, including democracy, but it failed to work out. Even communism worked well initally, but not later, so the government changed it. Who says a governing system has to remain static all the time? Today's China follows the principles of Socialism with Chinese characteristics, and if it doesn't work, I am confident the Chinese government will change and adapt, as it did switching from communism to capitalism. On the other hand, your motivation makes little sense. You claim communism is evil, so is Vietnam evil because it is communist? What about Laos, who is also communist. You only target China because we have succeeded under communism, where it was expected to fail. 30 years ago, Nobody thought communist China would ever succeed or become global player, and after Soviet dissolution, many people expected PRC to follow suite. But we didn't and China grew become world's 2nd largest economy, with world's 2nd largest military expenditure, and PRC is very much involved in global politics today, than ever before. All of this goes against your own preconceived notions of Good and Evil regarding communism, which is why you constantly want to deride China and pick at its flaws constantly. Chinese government is not perfect, but we have succeed under its leadership, as shown in my various timelapse videos, so why should Chinese people suddenly get rid of the government? As long as the government can deliver peace, tranquility amd economic progress, it will continue to enjoy support from many Chinese people. If you want me to count the number of times I used "cult" then why do you refuse to look at Chinese media or Cult websites? You constantly dismiss my sources, so how else am I going to portray Falun Gong as a cult, if you continually ignore all my evidence? Cults are insidious and can fool people like you and me, if you are unable see past the facade and their true agenda. All this talk of good and evil only satisfy people like you who believe in them. The world is not black and white. Who is good and who is evil, and who gets to decide? You? If you claim God decides, then how would you know His judgement? The communist party has done bad things, but it has also done good things. According World Bank, China’s poverty rate fell from 88% in 1981 to mere 6.5% in 2012, lifting 600 million people out of poverty in only 30 years. If that is not a good deed, then I don't know what is. Look at entire population of Africa, which is roughly 1.2 billion people for example. The Chinese government lifted a number of people equal to half of Africa's entire population out of poverty in decades, compared to what Westerners been doing in Africa for centuries. This event has been termed "unprecedented" in human history, even by Western scholars, and many people believe that such phenomena unlikely to be repeated elsewhere, especially in such short duration. The Chinese government, while imperfect and making many mistakes in the beginning, has seemingly redeemed itself with this action alone, so why can't give us chance to pursue our own governance different from the West?
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