Comments by "神州 Shenzhou" (@Shenzhou.) on "Inside China's 'thought transformation' camps - BBC News" video.
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@thenutbrothers8726 Chinese food is delicious, and many people all over the world have professed their love of Chinese cuisine.
Want something flavorful? Try our Sweet & Sour Pork.
If you want something meaty, we have Peking Duck.
If you want something light, we have Dim Sum Dumplings.
If you're in a hurry, just grab convenient Baozi (Pork Bun) and eat it on the go.
If you like mild spicy, care to try our Kung Pao Chicken?
If you like very spicy, dare to try our Mapo Tofu?
If you are vegetarian, we have vegetarian Springrolls. And we are tofu heaven.
If you like rice, we have Fried Rice.
If you like noodles, we have Chow Mein.
If you like porridge, we have Congee.
If you like soups, we have Hotpot.
If you like seafood, well you're in luck, because Chinese love seafood too.
Even other countries have adapted Chinese food to suit their local palette.
America has Chinese food like General Tso's chicken, Chop Suey, Beef Brocolli, etc.
Japan has Chinese food like Ramen (拉麺), Mābō-dōfu (麻婆豆腐), Chashu (叉燒), etc.
Korea has Chinese food like Jajangmyeon (炸酱面) Jjamppong, Tangsuyuk (糖醋肉), etc.
Australia has Chinese food like Lemon Chicken, Chicken Stir-fried, Chow Sam See, etc.
Canada has Chinese food like Ginger Beef, Newfoundland Chow Mein, Thunder Bay bon bons, etc.
Philippines has Chinese food like Batchoy (肉脆), Hopia (好餅), Kiampong (鹹飯) etc.
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Sources:
Wikipedia: Chinese Cuisine, American Chinese cuisine, Australian Chinese cuisine, Canadian-Chinese cuisine, Filipino Chinese cuisine, Japanese Chinese cuisine, Korean Chinese cuisine,
So many people love Chinese food both authentic or modified to suit their tastes, so what's wrong with Chinese food then? I heard that in America for example, there are more Chinese restaurants in United States, that there are Western fast-food restaurants like McDonald's, Wendy's, Kentucky Fried Chicken, etc all combined.
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@Jack Singapore has been ruled by authoritarian single-party PAP, for its entire life as a nation! For over 50 years, the PAP ruled Singapore with iron fist, and Lee Kuan Yew (Singapore's founder) jailed and exiled many of his political dissidents. But under authoritarian PAP rule, Singapore grew from a sleepy fishing village nation, into an world class country surpassing many of its neighboring countries (Malaysia, Indonesia, Thailand, etc) It's because 50 years of PAP rule, enabled Singapore's leaders to make long-term plans for Singapore.
Likewise, China has been ruled by authoritarian single-party CCP for 70 years, and that's why China is rising economic power today. Don't you see the similarities?
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@chaospilot2142 So because I point out Islam harmful effects, means I am rassist? Do you have to be so politically correct all the time? Look at the West and its being overrun with political correctness and Westerners are literally bending over backwards to accommodate Muslims. Refugees are fleeing their conflicted Islamic countries and settling in predominantly Christian Western countries like USA and EU and are under little pressure to adapt to their new environment, much to the dismay of Americans and Europeans.
For example, Muslims men may take on multiple wives, and Muslim women continue to wear Islamic head veil in public, and secretly, many Westerners are angry about it, but they are afraid to voice their true opinions for fear of being labelled as racists (or as you spelt, rassist) or Islamophobes (fear of Islam) because political correctness culture is preventing the West from being honest. The Muslims take Westerners silence as acceptance of their cultures, and continue to spread Islam.
Furthermore, non-Muslims must convert to Islam if they marry a Muslim, while being Christian is a matter of choice. Caucasian Christian families are growing smaller too, because of low birth rates and higher divorce rates, while Muslims are bringing their huge families (especially if they have 4 wives) to Western countries and spreading Islam throughout the West.
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@anonsaccount1562 China today is currently at peace at not at war with any country, since our last major conflict in 1979. Instead of making war, China is investing in developing countries like Sri Lanka, Nepal, Bangladesh, Pakistan, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Tajikistan, and also African countries like Nigeria, Kenya, Chad, Sudan, Ghana, Mozambique, Zimbabwe, etc. Nobody is pointing a gun at those countries and forcing them to do business with China if they don't want to.
Whereas the United States is warmonger, being involved in Gulf War, Iraq War, Afghan War, Libyan War, Syrian War, etc, even in the 21st century. The US is enacting regime change by cutting off those country's "heads" (Saddam Hussein, Muammar Gaddafi, etc) and then installing their own US puppet governments in place. Now, Assad of Syria and Maduro of Venezuela are at risk and President Trump narrowly avoided starting a fresh war with Iran too.
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@vibemunster India, Pakistan and Bangladesh were once part of British India, so aren't they clearly British colonies? And why India willingly gave up its own territory to allow Britain to partition its country into two sovereign countries? India even supported Bangladesh independence from East Pakistan, resulting in increased suspicion from Pakistan and also the creation of another independence country, Bangladesh.
Each division only weakens the once powerful unified country, and India and Pakistan have been fighting each other for decades, and all the while the British are secretly laughing at what they done to the once unified British India. That's why China fight desperately to hold on to our territories in Tibet, Xinjiang, Hong Kong, etc, because we don't want to end up like India and Pakistan, brother states that oppose each other.
And British colonies in Africa aren't doing well either, so again, how is this proof that Britain put Hong Kong and Singapore on the international level, when it failed to do the same to its other colonies?
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@MrPakurfulo Studies have shown that Chinese people (also other Asians like Japanese, Koreans) are among the most intelligent and diligent peoples with long histories and rich cultures. Asian people often typically stereotyped as smart, industrious, studious, thrifty, good at math, good at science, good at programming, having a good head for business and finances. Stereotypical Asian blue-collar jobs often have an element of hard work to them, and include railroad construction workers, labourers (coolies), farmers, grocery stall owner, rickshaw drivers, chefs (of Chinese restaurants), dry cleaners, laundromat workers, nail salon workers, massage parlour workers, and so on. Poor Asian parents are usually thrifty and painstakingly save up money to send our kids to school. Asian kids study hard for exams and don't fool around through partying and drinking and when they graduate, they often take on white-collar jobs like doctors, lawyers, dentists, bankers, scientists, researchers, programmers, businessmen, and so on.
Of course, these are all just stereotypes and not every Chinese person is like that. But the fact that these stereotypes exist suggests that there must be an element of truth to these stereotypes.
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@Danish Khan Over 70 years ago, nobody ever thought "communist" China would ever succeed, or that China would ever play a prominent role in today's history. When the Soviet Union collapsed in 1990s, everyone expected China would soon follow. But China has consistently defied all expectations of imminent failure, and succeeded long after the USSR dissolution. The Chinese Communist Party is not perfect (then again, which government body is?) but despite its initial failures and setbacks, under its leadership, China's population doubled, our lifespans doubled, our literacy rates doubled and our poverty rates plummeted.
This graph shows life-expectencies across China, India, Europe and USA.
Life Expectancy at Birth in China, Europe, USA and India china-profile.com/data/fig_WPP2010_L0_Boths.htm
China was once dirt-poor, war-torn, starving country, similar to India (world's largest democracy) in the past, but today, China has since transformed into world's 2nd largest economy, the world's factory (Made in China), the world's 3rd largest arms exporter, having world's 2nd highest R&D spending, protected by world's largest land army, the People's Liberation Army and funded by world's 2nd highest military expenditure. And China today has strong global presence as well being influential player of world politics.
And its all achieved under the CCP leadership, despite decades of Westerners fully expecting China to fail, China has continually succeeded, so why continue to believe those biased Westerners views about China?
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@anonsaccount1562 Tibetans and Chinese share a common ancestral language, which is grouped under Sino-Tibetan languages. And China today has over 50 ethnic groups including Han, Mongols, Tibetans, Uighurs, Manchu, and even some Koreans (in Northeastern China) but they are clearly all Chinese citizens isn't it? Just like the United States has Caucasian Americans (white), African Americans (black), Latin Americans (brown), Asian Americans (yellow) and Native Americans (red), yet they are all American citizens.
So aren't the 50 over ethnic groups of China considered Chinese as well?
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@auroragb In the past, Hong Kong was once a prosperous and thriving port city, while the mainland was still dirt-poor at that time. Today however, times have changed and Hong Kong has since fallen behind other rising mainland port cities like Shanghai, Shenzhen, Guangzhou, Ningbo-Zhousan and is facing increasing competition from upcoming mainland cities like Qingdao, Tianjin, Xiamen, Dalian, etc. No wonder why the Hong Kong people feel like they're being left behind.
Source:
List of busiest container ports wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_busiest_container_ports
List of busiest ports by cargo tonnage wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_busiest_ports_by_cargo_tonnage
Mainland port cities like Shanghai, Shenzhen, Guangzhou, etc, are actually prospering under authoritarian CCP rule, similar to Hong Kong prospering under authoritarian British Colonial Rule. Only when democracy is introduced to Hong Kong, did its economy began to slump and protests start appearing in the city.
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@auroragb The Chinese Communist Party is not perfect (then again, which government body is?) but despite its initial failures and setbacks, under its leadership, China's population doubled, our lifespans doubled, our literacy rates doubled and our poverty rates plummeted. The graph below shows life-expectencies across China, India, Europe and USA.
Source: Life Expectancy at Birth in China, Europe, USA and India china-profile.com/data/fig_WPP2010_L0_Boths.htm
China was once dirt-poor, war-torn, starving country, similar to India (world's largest democracy) in the past, but today, China has since transformed into economic powerhouse, the world's factory (Made in China), a growing scientific and technological power, protected by world's largest land army, the People's Liberation Army.
And it's all been achieved under CCP leadership, despite what Western anti-communist propaganda been denouncing all along.
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@auroragb And Taiwan had been under authoritarian single-party Kuomintang rule for more than half its life! For decades, the KMT ruled Taiwan with an iron fist and KMT leader Chiang kai-shek was a dictator who jailed and executed many dissidents and political rivals (whether real or perceived) in a period known as White Terror (白色恐怖) and he imposed Martial Law on Taiwan for more than 38 years, which was qualified as "the longest imposition of martial law by a regime anywhere in the world" at that time.
But under authoritarian single-party KMT rule, Taiwan flourished and prospered in what's known as Taiwan Miracle (台湾奇迹) Between 1952-1982, Taiwan's economic growth was on average 8.7%, and between 1983-1986 at 6.9%. Taiwan's GDP grew by 360% between 1965-1986 and the percentage of global exports was over 2% in 1986, over other recently industrialized countries, and the global industrial production output grew a further 680% between 1965-1986. All this occurred under authoritarian single party KMT rule of Taiwan.
Source: Wikipedia: Taiwan Miracle
Only when democracy was introduced in 1990s (because USA threatened to cut off sales of weapons to Taiwan if KMT did not introduce political reforms) did Taiwan's economic growth became more modest. Today, Taiwan's economy is in a slump, wages are stagnant, cost of living is rising, and Taiwan graduates are seeking job opportunities in the mainland or in Singapore. So isn't this a proof that Taiwan actually prospered under authoritarian KMT rule and suffered under democracy? Why fix something that wasn't broken? Because Westerners say so?
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@auroragb Literacy rate being equated with competence only applies to democracies, because like you said, it is the ordinary people that vote in their leaders, so why do you want illiterate people participating in political elections that will affect your country's future? Or those undesirable peoples like beggars, drug addicts, drunkards, deadbeats, dissidents, and so on? What makes you think the lower rung of society will be able to make important decisions regarding the country's future?
India's illiteracy rate is because of its massive population. In the past, China was once like India, a dirt-poor country with enormous population, suffering from high birth rates, high child malnutrition, high child mortality, high illiteracy rates and other population problems. Why allow families to raise multiple kids, only for them to starve to death, to succumb to diseases in childhood because of not enough food, not enough hospitals and not enough schools to send them to?
Instead, why not focus all available resources into raising a single, healthy kid into adulthood and get him into a good school? That's why China introduced the One-Child Policy and according to World Bank, China's poverty rate fell from 88% in 1981 to a mere 0.7% in 2015. According to UNESCO, adult literacy rate of China increased from 65.5% in 1982 to a whopping 96.4% in 2015 growing at an average annual rate of 10.39%. This is impressive feat considering that China is world's most populous country, yet attaining 0.7% poverty and 96.4% literacy.
Source: Wikipedia: Poverty in China
Look at India today and its suffering from population problems like high birth rate, high child malnutrition, high child mortality, low literacy, etc, which were problems that China once suffered from. So why do you still think China should be democracy then? We've been successful following authoritarian rule unlike India and just having 96.4% literacy rate is not a reason to suddenly change to democracy.
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@auroragb Exactly, democracy is inefficient like you say. Why let the whole population rule, when a small number will suffice in the government? And once again, my question never said "dissolve people" you came up with the ridiculous notion yourself here because you can't admit that your countries need governments to function. Why not let the people who know how to govern, govern like I said?
History has proven that much of human civilization follows some sort of authoritarian or oligarchic political systems. Political power was not concentrated in the hands of many, instead it was concentrated in the hands of the few elites, such as the nobles (aristocracy), or priests (theocracy) or kings and emperors (monarchy) Such authoritarian/oligarchic systems were prevalent because they were stable, and simply because they worked. The elites were often well educated and politically savvy, often capable of making political decisions, whereas the ignorant masses were kept well away from politics.
Whereas frankly speaking, democracy has a long history of failure. Proto-democracies like Athenian democracy failed, Spartan democracy failed, and even Republic of Rome eventually failed. In the ancient world, Democracy was never in fact, popular outside of Greece at all, and after Rome fell, many of the individual states began to assume authoritarian rule under monarchy once again.
Modern Western democracy is different but it only has 100-200 years of history to its name, so that's certainly not a guarantee for it to be successful in future. Why then should China adopt Western democracy, simply because Westerners think it is the best political system?
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@auroragb I never said China invented those things. But ancient Chinese had the Four Great Inventions (四大发明) which have greatly influenced history in their respective areas. Paper and Printing made the transcribing and transmission of knowledge and information easier and cheaper. The Compass made navigation easier and dangerous journeys more safer and reliable. And Gunpowder has completely revolutionized the way modern wars are fought.
China has 5000 years of history and is among the world's oldest "continuous" civilization still alive today, whereas other great ancient civilizations like Mesopotamia, Rome and Egypt have since succumbed to history. Ancient Chinese nobility wore luxurious silk clothing since 4th millennium BCE, while the rest of the world wore mostly loincloths and "bedsheets" called togas.
Silk was much prized by rest of the world, so much that a lucrative trade route had been set up and named in honor of the precious material. Along the Silk Road, flowed Chinese luxury goods like silk, tea, paper, gunpowder, porcelain (precious china), etc, that were in high demand by the rest of the ancient world.
Why then, should we Chinese consider ourselves inferior to Westerners? The Westerners mocked Chinese history and made Chinese out to be backward and barbaric in comparison to theirs. We need to stop worshiping the Westerners and start charting our own path to success, instead of Westerners telling Chinese what to do.
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@auroragb Democracy IS inefficient like it or not. You need to spend money to host election campaigns, allocate resources and manpower for ballot boxes and count and tabulate results, just to decide which leader is most popular that's all. How is this good for the country? Some of your elected leaders even lack political experience (like President Trump for example) so why waste all that money just to get an incompetent person in power you tell me?
Whereas in China, only the top elites (the Communist Party members) are voting in elections, which saves China plenty of money and resources in hosting democratic elections in the world's most populous country. If you want to participate in politics then you must join the communist party (not easy feat, you have to be top 5% in your field) and slowly work your way up to a high-ranking position, by garnering votes from other politically savvy communist party members.
It's not a perfect system and it is tedious process, but it has produced politically experienced leaders such as President Xi Jinping, who has at least 30-40 years of political experience, so that's why most Chinese people believe he is competent enough to rule China. I mean, you are governing a country of 1.4 billion people (300 million for USA) so obviously, we only want the best and most competent to rule. Why the Americans allow Trump, someone with zero political experience prior, to become president and lead their country?
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@auroragb Primitive? If it's stupid but works (as it did for over 1000s of years) then in my opinion, it isn't stupid. Look at all those numerous authoritarian and oligarchic empires, for example, Achaemenid Empire, Akkadian Empire, Armenian Empire, Assyrian Empire, Aztec Empire, Babylonian Empire, Bruneian Empire, Egyptian Empire, Chinese Empire, Japanese Empire, Inca Empire, Khmer Empire, Korean Empire, Kushan Empire and like I said, authoritarian regimes are popular simply because they served as the most efficient form of political government, they were stable, and simply because they worked!
Democracy was never popular outside of Greece in the ancient world, for the reasons I illustrated earlier and you claim democracies that fall are almost always conquered? Which country conquered the Republic of Rome? Or did Rome fell because democracy tore the country apart from within, as the individual states began no longer recognizing themselves as part of Rome?
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@RaginYak I mean, why don't you tell the Americans to give up their claims to Hawaii? Hawaii is out there in the Pacific Ocean, so far away from the American mainland, yet they are part of America? Or why don't you tell all non-Native Americans and Canadians to get out of America and leave the lands to the Native Americans? The Europeans colonised Americas 600 years ago, but Tibet had been part of China since 800 years ago when the Mongols conquered Kingdom of Thibet and Song Dynasty China and incorporated those territory into Yuan Dynasty China.
You just don't want to admit that Tibet was historically part of China longer than the European colonisation of America, and even today, Tibet is regarded as part of China by world leaders all over the world. US, India, Britain all betrayed Tibet? Who do you think you are? If you protest Tibet then why don't you go set yourself on fire like those self-immolating Tibetans? Just a mere 148 Tibetan self-immolated, means the entire 3 million population of Tibet must bow down to their demands?
Go film yourself "self-immolating" and post it on YouTube, some you "care" so much about Tibet.
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@vibemunster "神州 Shenzhou I already stated why Africa has failed,"
Where? All you said was "As for Africa, the people speak for themselves." that's all. As for India, you have shown that because of religion, a once unified country can fall apart because of religion, so why can't Chinese government control of religion to prevent that from happening? If you don't control religion, then religion will start to control your country.
"the estimated 45 million Mao murdered."
It was during Chinese Civil War, so of course Chinese were killing Chinese. Just like in American Civil War, Americans were killing Americans, or Vietnamese killing Vietnamese in Vietnam War. Or Koreans in Korean War, or any civil war for that matter. And Mao Zedong managed to unify China (which the previous Kuomintang government failed under Republic of China) under communism and proclaimed the People's Republic of China back in 1949. So if not for Mao, China today would still be a divided country country fighting among ourselves, (like India and Pakistan), instead of the strong unified country we are today.
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@thenutbrothers8726 China publishes more scientific and technical journals in physics, biology, chemistry, mathematics, clinical medicine, biomedical research, engineering and technology, and earth and space sciences, than even the United States. Source: wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_number_of_scientific_and_technical_journal_articles
In 2016:
1. China (426,165 articles)
2. United States (408,985 articles)
3. India (110,320 articles)
4. Germany (103,122 articles)
5. United Kingdom (97,527 articles)
6. Japan (96,536 articles)
This implies that a growing number of discoveries are being made and published in Chinese-language papers, and Chinese researchers have access to Western research papers, but Chinese research papers might prove difficult for Western researchers due to the language barrier.
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@meeveebee Hey, my stance is that forced conscription is necessary for Singapore, and like I said, you don't get to see your families everyday only once a week (On the weekends like you said) so how is this different from Uighurs re-education, where they are also allowed to see their families once a week? And conscripted Singapore males have to live in boarding rooms similar to the ones featured here, so again, wheres the difference you are claiming?
And Singapore government is clearly authoritarian, and Singapore people have been "brainwashed" to vote for PAP every time at elections. For example, since a young age, many Singapore children at school sing nationalistic songs promoting Singapore propaganda, especially during Singapore's founding day, and Singapore conscripted males also train to become patriotic to the country in the miltiary. So how is this different from teaching Uighurs to be patriotic to China?
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@meeveebee According According to Human Rights Watch: Singapore (check previous source)
Singapore’s political environment is stifling. Citizens face severe restrictions on their basic rights to freedom of expression, association, and peaceful assembly through overly broad criminal laws and regulations. In 2017, the country tightened the already strict limits on public assemblies contained in the Public Order Act, which requires police permits for any “cause-related” assembly outside the closely monitored “Speakers’ Corner.”
Also, Singapore Activist Seelan Palay was arrested after presenting a performance on Sunday afternoon at Hong Lim Park, “32 Years: The Interrogation of a Mirror” in commemoration of the 32 years of detention without trial that former Elected Member of Parliament, Chia Thye Poh went through. During the ten minute performance, Seelan who turns 32 this year, said he couldn’t fathom how a person could be locked up without trial for the same number of years that he has lived.
Source: Activist arrested by Police outside of Parliament House after standing alone with artpiece theonlinecitizen.com/2017/10/01/activist-arrested-by-police-outside-of-parliament-house-after-standing-alone-with-artpiece/
Are you sure you are really from Singapore? Because all my sources point to Singapore clearly being under authoritarian government, governing Singapore for 50 years, just like CCP governed People's Republic of China for 70 years
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@akif5638 By reciting your pledge, you are literally showing that you have been brainwashed by Singapore nationalistic propaganda. Forced conscription is a great way to make young men more patriotic to the country, so why can't China teach Uighurs to be more patriotic to China through re-education? China's Islamic education is the same as Singapore's Islamic education, we remove all the extremist elements from the student's thoughts.
In Singapore, you can practice Islam and only condition is that you are respectful to people with other beliefs than yours. Likewise, China allows Muslims do any Islam things except things against the nation or the party and the Government respects Muslim tradition and custom as long as they obey the law and order.
As for Singapore building a" democratic society" your country has been literally ruled by authoritarian single party PAP for its entire life already. How is that democratic? Did you know that in Democratic People's Republic of Korea, the population also gets to vote for Kim Jong Um to lead them?
You think Singapore does not have dark history of its own? There are so many examples of Singapore dissidents being arrested, and Singapore news will of course paint them as "the enemies" in your country. The part about Amos Lee offending Christians was just a "cover" by Singapore media to punish him for his political views, and you just believe it like that? Even US Asylum court made the following assertion for his asylum:
“The evidence presented at the hearing demonstrates that Singapore’s prosecution of Yee was a pretext to silence his political opinions critical of the Singapore government. His prosecution, detention and general maltreatment at the hands of the Singapore authorities demonstrates persecution on account of Yee’s political opinions. Yee is a young political dissident and his application for asylum is granted.” – The Honourable Samuel Cole, immigration judge.
Source: A Singapore opposition politician’s experience of dissident Amos Yee’s US asylum hearing hongkongfp.com/2017/03/27/singapore-opposition-politicians-experience-dissident-amos-yees-us-asylum-hearing/
So are you really from Singapore when you don't even know how your country deals with political dissidents? And while you personally enjoyed forced conscription in your country, I have earlier cited a source about Singapore males who compare forced conscription to slavery.
And Singapore is of course not China (just like China is not Singapore) but clearly, our countries share similar views with regard to authoritarian single-party rule, as well as crushing political dissidents. But you are the one pretending like Singapore is somehow better, when your political system is similar to ours.
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@JohnBobb "It was hoped (and i did too) that you would find your way into a democracy (like HK and Taiwan)"
Explain, why should China adopt Western democracy? Hong Kong had been ruled by authoritarian British colonial rule and it was successful, right up to democracy was introduced after Hong Kong handover to mainland China, then Hong Kong started suffering all the protests and its economy stagnated.
And Taiwan had been under authoritarian single-party Kuomintang rule for more than half its life! The KMT ruled Taiwan with iron fist, and KMT leader Chiang kai-shek jailed and executed many dissidents and political rivals (whether real or perceived) in a period known as White Terror 白色恐怖 and imposed martial law on Taiwan for more than 38 years, which was qualified as "the longest imposition of martial law by a regime anywhere in the world" at that time.
But under authoritarian KMT rule, Taiwan flourished and rapidly modernized and this was known as Taiwan Miracle. Between 1952 and 1982, Taiwan's economic growth was on average 8.7%, and between 1983 and 1986 at 6.9%. Taiwan GDP grew by 360% between 1965 and 1986 and the percentage of global exports was over 2% in 1986, over other recently industrialized countries, and the global industrial production output grew a further 680% between 1965 and 1986. And it was all achieved under authoritarian KMT rule.
Only when democracy was introduced to Taiwan (because USA threatened to halt weapons sale to Taiwan if KMT did not introduce political reforms) did Taiwan's economic growth became more modest in 1990s and today, Taiwan's economy is in a slump, wages are stagnant, cost of living is high, and Taiwan graduates can't find job so they seek employment opportunities abroad, such as in the mainland or Singapore.
So why should China introduce democracy then? Because Westerners say so?
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@diiriyetv said "神州 Shenzhou you cannot compare the civilised west to China where there is zero culture,"
China has 5000 years of history and is among the world's oldest 'continuous' civilization still alive today, whereas other great ancient civilizations like Mesopotamia, Rome and Egypt have since succumbed to history. Chinese today celebrate Chinese festivals that are thousands of years old, such as Spring Festival (Chinese New Year), Lantern Festival, Qingming (grave-sweeping) Festival, Dragon Boat Festival, Double Seventh (Chinese Valentime's Day) Festival, Mid-Autumn Festival, and many more
The Chinese New Year migration in China (where we make the journey back to our home province to be with our loved ones) has been termed world's largest annual human migration, surpassing even the Western Christmas migration in terms of sheer volume of traffic.
Source: Forbes: Chinese New Year: The World's Largest Human Migration Is About To Begin forbes.com/sites/niallmccarthy/2018/02/14/chinese-new-year-the-worlds-largest-human-migration-is-about-to-begin-infographic/
So why do you claim China cannot compare to the West in Culture?
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@qqyoung2899 So if you agree that letting Muslims do whatever they want is not a good thing, then what's wrong with Chinese government controlling Muslims and guiding them away from extremist tendencies and providing free education to boost their literacy and job skills training to prepare them for the workforce? Merkel choosing to accept refugees is Germany's own stance, but if Caucasian families are shrinking in sizer (low birth rates and high divorce rates) and if Muslim refugees are flooding Germany, then the country will start to see a shift in population demographics. There was even an anti-Muslim protest in Dresden, protesting the rising number of Muslims in Germany.
Video: Germany at odds over its growing Muslim population youtube.com/watch?v=1Cf6dtq0zTc
I've gone over the reason why Muslims are not wanted in Western countries, for the simple reason that they are under no pressure to adapt to their host country's religion and culture, Instead they are spreading Islam to your countries, after fleeing their own conflict-filled Islamic country. Why Western government bend over backwards to accommodate Muslims? Are they somehow superior to you, that you allow them free reign in your countries?
The German people are known for being hardworking and their excellence in engineering, then why not incorporate some of these positive attributes to Muslim immigrants in your country? Imagine how much more accepting these anti-Muslim Germans would be, if they learnt that Muslims are willing to adapt to Germany? Then similarly why can't China impart some of our positive virtues (being studious for example) onto these Uighurs, whom might have gone down the path of terrorism, if left unchecked?
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@qqyoung2899 "神州 Shenzhou I believe that all citizens should be treated equally by the state."
China has over 50 ethnic minorities, including Han, Tibetan, Uighurs, Mongols, Manchu, and even some Koreans, yet they are clearly Chinese citizens, but since Han Chinese make up over 90% of China's population, how can you expect equal treatment?
Did you know that Chinese government offer special benefits to ethnic minorities like Tibetans and Uighurs such as tax exemption, priorities in healthcare, free education up to university and other benefits? Ethnic minorities are not subject to One-Child Policy (recently amended to Two-Child Policy) that Han Chinese are subject to and they can have as many kids as they want. If say, a Han Chinese apply for a certain course in university and needs 600 points to qualify, an ethnic minority (like Tibetans, Manchu, etc) need only 400 points (easier) for them to qualify for the same course as Han Chinese. So in China, ethnic minorities often get special treatment over the Han Chinese majority in certain fields.
But this is necessary, because otherwise, Han Chinese will dominate every field and ethnic minorities have to compete with Han in many areas.
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@qqyoung2899 You are in favour of compulsory education (and China indeed has compulsory education) and home schooling is difficult in Xinjiang, because Xinjiang is China's largest province, full of mountains and undeveloped regions, so you expect teachers to commute to all those remote villages to home school Uighurs? Why not gather the students from those remote villages, into a common area, where they can interact with each other, learn social skills, study and at the same time, enjoy recreational activities like painting, singing and dancing or sports like basketball? How to have access to all these facilities if you home school them in their remote villages?
Most Asian countries (Korea, Japan, etc) teach some sort of national education where students are encouraged to loyal to country, so what's wrong with China doing the same? Which country do you come from, that does not encourage patriotism? How is this opinion "stupid"?
Religion and Country has a lot of conflict. Look at how in medieval Europe, the Christian Churches sometimes held more power than the Kings themselves. There were wars fought in the name of religion, such Holy War, the Crusades, Jiihaad and so on. So why do you claim that there is not much conflict between religion and country?
You wrote an entire wall of text, but there's hardly anything substantial behind your comment at all.
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@perrychrispy1 About Social Credit System, many foreigners often complain about how Chinese people are rude, spit in public, smoke in non-smoking areas, jump queues, jaywalk, disobey traffic rules, drive past red lights, and all manner of unsavory behavior, when not all Chinese people are like that. We also feel ashamed that such bad Chinese people represent China overseas, so the government came up with Social Credit System to penalize bad behavior and promote good behaviors.
But if they persist with bad behavior until their scores become unacceptable, then they will be barred from purchasing plane tickets, to fly out of China and make nuisance of themselves overseas. At least until their scores improve until it becomes acceptable for them to travel again. This is China's form of meritocracy, where bad deeds are penalised and good deeds are rewarded.
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@perrychrispy1 Orwell is just a writer, and he wrote 1984 as a work of fiction, and purposely exaggerated the negative scenario for entertainment purposes. But it does not necessarily mean that reality will follow according to it. And yes, you do lose points for drinking and smoking too much and the key word here is "too much". Look at how many people killed in accidents because of drunk driving? Or how much lung cancer because of smoking.
And throughout ancient history, political power has always been concentrated not in the hands of many, but instead, into the hands of the few elites, be they nobles (aristocracy) or priests (theocracy) or kings and emperors (monarchy). Such systems were popular in ancient world, because they were stable and simply because they worked. The elites were often well-educated and could make political decisions regarding the country's future, while the ignorant, uneducated masses were kept well away from politics.
Democracy on the other hand, has long history of failure. Athenian democracy failed, Spartan democracy failed, Greek democracy failed, and even Republic of Rome eventually fell. These proto-democracies weren't successful, and democracy was never popular outside of Greece in ancient times. And today's modern Western democracy only has a history of 100-200 years, so it does not necessarily mean it will be successful in the future.
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@perrychrispy1 Actually it's Shenzhen (not Schenzen) and it is China's version of Silicon Valley, a technological Mecca, where you can find smartphones, computers, gadgets, cameras, electronics, IT, AI, drones, robotics, automation, software and hardware.
There's even a Robot Wars competition held in Shenzhen by Chinese company DJI ( world's leading drone-maker ) where Chinese graduates compete to build the best robots to fight in a tournament and the winning term might get approached by DJI for a job offer. Here is video about Shenzhen's Robot Wars
Video China's High-Stakes Robot Wars youtube.com/watch?v=qrhvZhPaxQ4
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@perrychrispy1 1984 was written for entertainment purposes, a work of fiction that exaggerated the perils of technology, in order to appeal to readers. I mean, don't you read the disclaimer of fictitious work at the beginning of such works? History and reality are obviously going to be different than fiction.
In democracy, why do you allow ordinary people to participate in political decisions that will affect the country's future? Ordinary people may not necessary know how to vote responsibly (e.g. they fail to turn up to vote) or they may base their votes on emotions, not logic (e.g. British people don't like foreigners, so they voted for Brexit) or they may simply lack the political awareness to make informed decisions regarding the country's future.
That's how people like Hilter managed to come to power, by preying on German people's resentment towards the Treaty of Versailles and he promised to make Germany great again (which admittedly he did) And that's how Donald Trump was able to prey on gullible Americans voters' resentment towards China, together with false promises of making America great again.
Whereas China has 5000 years of history and is among the world's oldest 'continuous' civilization still alive today, whereas other great ancient civilizations like Mesopotamia, Rome and Egypt have since succumbed to history. China has seen the rise and fall of various nations and survived the violent course of history relatively intact. China has always been under the authoritarian rule (and we still are today) because it works for China, so why does China have to adopt Western democracy then? Because Westerners say so?
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@perrychrispy1 Besides inventing gunpowder, Chinese also invented handcannons, handgrenades, fragmentation bombs, landmines, naval mines, exploding cannonballs, rocket launchers, multi-launch rocket systems and of course, fireworks. Today, Americans celebrate the 4th of July with Chinese fireworks, and there was even an ancient Chinese flamethrower capable of launching continuous stream of flame (the first of its kind) which must have been a fearsome sight to behold in the ancient battlefield.
Video: Ancient Chinese Flamethrower youtube.com/watch?v=goi-FVnTD5Y&t=915
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@perrychrispy1 As the world's most populous country, China has the most brainpower to come up with plans and ideas, as well as the most manpower to implement said plans and turn ideas into reality. Larger populations have more geniuses, and since China's population is 4 times that of USA, China has at least 4 geniuses to every 1 American genius. And this can be proven statistically.
Source: China's Statistical Advantage: Large Populations Have More Geniuses http://iiipublishing.com/blog/2018/06/blog_06_07_2018.html
Taken from the above:
Consider two standard bell curves, say one with 1.4 billion people and one with 326 million. The number of average people in China is very close to 4.3 times the number of average people in the U.S. That is also true for those in the top 2% say, which produces scientists, the best business and government people, and the most competent computer programmers. Even there, China would have a 4.3 to 1 advantage, which would be quite an advantage, everything else being equal.
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@perrychrispy1 China publishes more scientific and technical journals in physics, biology, chemistry, mathematics, clinical medicine, biomedical research, engineering and technology, and earth and space sciences, than even the United States. Source: wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_number_of_scientific_and_technical_journal_articles
In 2016:
1. China (426,165 articles)
2. United States (408,985 articles)
3. India (110,320 articles)
4. Germany (103,122 articles)
5. United Kingdom (97,527 articles)
6. Japan (96,536 articles)
This implies that every year, more discoveries are being made and published in Chinese-language papers than English-language papers, and Chinese researchers have access to Western research papers, but Chinese research papers might prove difficult for Western researchers due to the language barrier.
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@auroragb China's infrastructure construction is quite possibly the best in the world, and many of the world's tallest buildings reside in China. As of 2019, out of the Top 64 highest buildings, 32 (50%) are located in China according to source: List of tallest buildings wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_tallest_buildings#Tallest_buildings_in_the_world
Like I said, Zhengzhou was once considered China's largest "Ghost City" back in 2011 by London's Daily Mail so shouldn't you be considered the housing prices of units in Zhengzhou rural area, back in 2011 when it was considered a ghost city then? And like I said, the city has a population of 10,120,000 inhabitants, and had a GDP of 1,014 billion (RMB) in 2018, so obviously Zhengzhou should be classified as a ghost city that has filled up.
So why would rural immigrants migrate to an already filled-up ghost city you tell me? Rural immigrants would be migrating to the other Chinese ghost cities that haven't been filled up yet, where the housing prices are lower and more jobs are available, rather than the filled-up ghost cities like Zhengzhou and Changzhou.
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@auroragb Who's asking you to dissolve people? It's obvious you can't even answer this simple question, so you deliberately try to twist the words into a different meaning and purposely misinterpret the question so that you don't have to answer it. If you believe people are capable of running the country themselves, then why not dissolve your government and let the people run the country themselves? Why do you still need a government then you tell me?
I have already modified the question to be as specific as possible, what more can I modify it to make my meaning any more clearer? You just refuse to answer its because deep down you know that countries need a government to control their people. Why not listen to what the government is doing then? Why not let the people who know how to govern, govern?
About Trump, Brexit, Great Leap Forward, Cultural Revolution, etc, you claimed that at least with democracy, the people can only blame themselves for bad choices. But people blaming themselves does not equate to actually taking responsibility for those actions. Look at the US, and the Republicans and Democrats are fighting among themselves, instead of fighting for America's future. Their elected leaders sabotage and hinder the opposition's plans, instead of tackling America's woes, like rising healthcare, debt, violence, etc. and Trump's election has created a deep political rift within American society today.
Why should China adopt such a chaotic system like Western democracy then? The CCP is not perfect yes, and made mistakes in the past, but the clear difference is that the CCP acknowledges the mistakes and move on. The CCP has long acknowledged the failure of Great Leap Forwards (and even Mao Zedong himself made a self-criticism and stepped down as State Chairman) and learned from it.
In a multiple-party system, the two or more parties blame each other for the country's woes, but in a single-party system, the party itself is to blame for all the bad things and all the good things. That's why China's single-party system is superior, because it accepts responsibility for failures, learn from it and move on, while the Republicans and Democrats in America are diverting blame elsewhere.
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@auroragb Because those things ARE accomplishments of China, but I clearly never said China invented those things. If you want to talk about Chinese inventions then I can gladly enlighten you on Chinese inventions. With the invention of Paper, came Chinese inventions like paper napkins, umbrellas, paper lanterns, paper folding fans, and the very important, paper banknote, which facilitated easier business transactions since merchants no longer need to carry around excessive amounts of metal coinage and precious stones.
Paper helped mankind's understanding of aviation with the Chinese invention of the kite (thought to be the earliest example of man-made flight, and was vital in Franklin's kite experiment) and the world's first hot air balloons were Chinese Sky lanterns (天灯) or also known as Kongming Lanterns (孔明灯). The world's first use of a helicoptor rotor for vertical flight has existed since 400 BC in the form of the Chinese bamboo-copter, (竹蜻蜓 'Bamboo Dragonfly')
Here is a beautiful video of people celebrating RISE Lantern Festival in Las Vegas with Chinese Sky Lanterns. Video: youtube.com/watch?v=SNtwlBbBdb4&t=10 (Suggestion: Watch in HD Fullscreen for best experience)
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@RaginYak Firstly, the McMohan line was drawn by British India, without even consulting any Chinese or Tibetan authority. They just drew the line without bothering to talk to the locals and bypassing the Chinese intermediary, even though Tibet at that time was under Chinese suzerainity as recognised by British India. In 1907, Britain and Russia acknowledged Chinese "suzerainty" over Tibet and that both nations "engage not to enter into negotiations with Tibet except through the intermediary of the Chinese Government."
Article II. In conformity with the admitted principle of the suzerainty of China over Thibet, Great Britain and Russia engage not to enter into negotiations with Thibet except through the intermediary of the Chinese Government.
Source: Convention Between Great Britain and Russia (1907) tibetjustice.org/materials/treaties/treaties12.html
Since Britain acknowledged the Chinese suzerainity over Tibet, then who gives them the enter negotiations with Tibet over the McMohan line, without consulting Chinese emissary? Therefore, shouldn't the McMohan line be invalid, since Britain doesn't even acknowledge Tibetan independence in the first place?
Secondly, what has mountain climbers even got to do with this discussion about sovereignty?
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@samuelboucher1454 "神州 Shenzhou China is supporting Pakistan against India"
Pakistan is our "iron brother" 巴铁 because our bond is as strong as iron. Pakistan always helped China in our time of need, so why can't China support Pakistan then? Look at India and they provided asylum to the Chinese fugitive, the 14th Dalai Lama, so who knows what intentions India has towards Tibet Autonomous Region in China?
"China supports Venezuela dictatorship"
Nicolás Maduro is the democratically elected President of Venezuela, and he won his 2nd term in the 2018 election, garnering 67.84% of the votes, so what's wrong with China supporting Maduro you tell me? Venezuela is suffering from hyperinflation today, because President Trump slapped crippling sanctions on Venezuela which cause their food prices to skyrocket.
China's Belt and Road Initiative is NOT the same as the Opium War, China did NOT wage war with BRI countries and force them to join the BRI. Participation in BRI is entirely voluntarily.
During the 19th century, the British wanted to continue drinking Chinese tea, but China did not want anything the West had to offer, so Britain waged two bloody wars with China and forced Chinese to buy opium from them at gunpoint, which we didn't want because it made us sick and was poisoning our people. During this weak period of Chinese history, Hong Kong was taken from China and made into British colony, to act as a drug distribution hub to spread the addiction throughout rest of China.
Even when Britain renounced ownership over its former territories, Hong Kong was not fully returned back to China, and China had to agree to Sino-British declaration just for Britain to handover what belongs to us.
And what makes you think Chinese people aren't free? Chinese people are free to travel overseas for work, study or play. Haven't you seen Chinese tourists in your lands? Or Chinese international students flooding Western schools and universities?
Who said that Natives speaking out against Great Britain weren't "disappeared"? Look at what Great Britain did to Indian rebels. They tied Indians to the mouth of a loaded cannon and executed them by blasting a hole in their chests, a brutal execution method known as "Blowing from a Gun"
Source: Blowing from a gun wikipedia.org/wiki/Blowing_from_a_gun
Suppression of the Indian Revolt by the English, which depicts the execution of mutineers by blowing from a gun by the British, a painting by Vasily Vereshchagin c. 1884.
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@samuelboucher1454 1. Pakistan, our iron brother, always helped China in our time of need. What has India actually done to help China? Then can't China support Pakistan over India? Pakistan is their own sovereign country "separate" from India after 1947, so why can't China support the Pakistan against India? India and Pakistan are literally "blood brother" states, and they rather fight among themselves?
2. Maduro is the democratically elected President of Venezuela and he won his 2nd term in the 2018 elections, so why can't China support Venezuela? And Trump slapped crippling sanctions on Venezuela because Maduro refused to be a slave to the US Petrol Dollar and he decided to switch to Chinese Yuan instead.
Venezuela's Maduro says will shun U.S. dollar in favor of yuan, others reuters.com/article/us-venezuela-forex/venezuelas-maduro-says-will-shun-us-dollar-in-favor-of-yuan-others-idUSKCN1BJ06O
That's why Trump intends to make life difficult for Maduro and drive up food prices in Venezuela with his economic sanctions on Venezuela.
3. First you compared Belt and Road Initiative to Opium Wars, now you are comparing it to French colonisation of Indochina? China did not make colonies unlike France, and participation in BRI is entirely voluntarily like I said earlier. Countries have the option to withdraw from the BRI anytime they want.
4. Who says that Chinese can't speak out against the government? Have you actually seen what Chinese netizens say in Weibo and other Chinese social media sites, before you accuse China of such a thing?
5. Britain did horrible things to the virtually the entire world, building their success upon the backs of African slavery, genocide of Native Americans and Australian Aboriginals, occupation of their lands even till today, brutal colonisation of Asia (India, Hong Kong, Singapore, etc) and African countries, and plundering resources like gold. British people today are so rich, because they're sitting on a pile of wealth that their ancestors stole from Asia, Africa America and Australia.
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@RaginYak Previously, while Tibet was under Dalai Lama rule, Tibet was a brutal theocracy, where 95% of the population were slaves and the remaining 5% elites were slave owners. Tibetan mountainous soil is infertile, rainfall is scarce in the Himalayas, so the slaves had to work hard to feed the Tibetan population. Starvation was commonplace and theft of food was punished by torture, amputation and even skinning. There's this Tibetan drum called damaru that's made from human skulls, a drumskin made of human skin and drumstick made of human bone. The Dalai Lama was overly worshipped and his followers fought for the right to consume his saliva, his urine and even his feces, because he was considered a divine vessel.
After Tibet returned back to China, Chinese workers began rapidly modernising Tibet, building roads, railways, streetlamps, running water, gas and electricity as well as introducing modern amenities like cars, computers, telephone cables, smartphones, the Internet, WiFi, online shopping (from Taobao) and so on. Under CCP, the first Tibetan colleges opened in Lhasa, offering degrees in both Tibetan and Mandarin Chinese languages. Hydroelectric powerstations were built by Chinese to supply Tibetan homes with electricity.
Source: List of universities and colleges in Tibet wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_universities_and_colleges_in_Tibet
Source: List of major power stations in the Tibet Autonomous Region wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_major_power_stations_in_the_Tibet_Autonomous_Region
Chinese workers built the Qinghai-Lhasa railway (world's highest elevation railway) through dangerous mountainous terrain and low oxygen environments, to connect the normally isolated Tibet with the rest of the world. Tibet can now import food from the mainland to feed its population, and Tibet's population has tripled from 1 million in 1950s to over 3 million people today. A thriving tourist industry has even sprung up in Tibet.
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@ericcartmann I mean, look at the West, and Western governments are bending over backwards to accommodate Muslims far too much. The Muslim refugees are fleeing their conflict-ridden Islamic nations, and flooding Western countries like USA, France and Germany, and they are under little pressure to assimilate into their predominantly Christian host countries, much to the disgruntlement of local Americans and Europeans.
Instead, Muslim immigrants pursue their own traditions like Muslims men marrying multiple wives, and Muslim women continuing to wear Muslim headveil while in public, and secretly, many Americans and Europeans are angry that Muslims are under little pressure to adopt their host country's cultures, but they remain fearful of voicing their honest opinions for fear of being labelled as "racist" (even when Islam is not a race) or "Islamophobe" (fear of Islam) because of a culture of "political correctness". The Muslims take Westerner's silence as acceptance of their ways and thus, they are under little pressure to change and assimilate into your countries.
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@auroragb You want to bring up the Four Asian Tigers? South Korea's success occurred because it was under authoritarian rule of S. Korean dictator Park Chung Hee. When Park came to power in 1961, South Korea was a dirt-poor country (poorer than some Sub-Sahara African countries) and it's per capita income was only US$72.00 and North Korea was actually the greater economic and military power on the peninsula.
One of Park's main goals was to end the poverty of South Korea, and lift the country up from being a 3rd World economy to a 1st World economy via etatist methods, and Park is credited with playing a pivotal role in the development of South Korea's tiger economy by shifting its focus to export-oriented industrialisatio, which resulted in the Miracle on the Han River (漢江의 奇蹟) and put S. Korea on the world map.
But Park grew increasingly dictatorial (especially after 1971). In 1972, Park declared martial law and amended the constitution into a highly authoritarian document called the Yushin Constitution which was tantamount to an abolishment of the former Constitution, and granting him immense political power. During this time political opposition and dissent was constantly repressed and Park had complete control of the Media and Military.
Source: Wikipedia: Park Chung Hee
In summary, Park is a controversial figure for his dictatorship and undemocratic ways. He created and sustained the Miracle on the Han River, which reshaped and modernized South Korea, but was criticized for his authoritarian way of ruling the country and for prioritizing economic growth and contrived social order at the expense of civil liberties.
Nevertheless, S. Korea became a Tiger Economy because of his authoritarian rule.
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@auroragb All of those Asian Tigers performed well and like I elaborated earlier, all of them advanced under their respective dictatorships (Lee Kuan Yew, Park Chung Hee, Chiang kai-Shek, British colonial rule) so what's your point? You failed to indicate how exactly did democracy and liberalism played a role in the rise of those Asian Tigers. Take Taiwan for example, and after democratizing, Taiwan's economy suffered greatly as explained below
"From the '90s, Taiwan became a two-party system with more partisan disagreements on policy matters. This produced less effective policy making. Secondly, the ruling officials tend to be more conservative in Taiwan so they do not enthusiastically push for policies to globalise and liberalise the island." - Ray Chou Research Fellow Institute of Economics, Academia Sinica,
Video: How Taiwan Lost Its Roar And Its Young Talents youtube.com/watch?v=P3BCnPb8qHY&t=110
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@auroragb Taiwan is part of China under the One China Policy, as agreed by both Taiwan and mainland China government. And the Republic of China claims all of mainland China (including Tibet, Xinjiang, Manchuria, etc) as well as territory under the control of modern day Mongolia, Burma/Myanmar, Bhutan, India, Japan, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Russia and Tajikistan.
Source: Map of ROC Administrative and Claims wikipedia.org/wiki/File:ROC_Administrative_and_Claims.svg
Since ROC can claim all the above territory, then why can't PRC claim Taiwan as well?
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@auroragb Look at prosperous Shenzhen on the mainland, just across from Hong Kong, and Shenzhen is a technological mecca and China's version of Silicon Valley. Here is a short 2 minute aerial video of Shenzhen: City of the Future youtube.com/watch?v=45X0Q1d6Jwk&t=3 (Suggestion: Watch in HD Fullscreen for best experience)
In Shenzhen you can find the latest gadgets, smartphone devices, cameras, drones, automation, robots, IT, Artificial Intelligence systems, software and hardware. Chinese company DJI (world's largest civilian drone maker) holds a competition in Shenzhen for Chinese college graduates to compete in robotic battles and the winners of this contest get awarded a job offer to work in DJI.
Video: China's High-Stakes Robot Wars youtube.com/watch?v=qrhvZhPaxQ4
How is Hong Kong going to compete with Shenzhen, just one of many rising mainland cities?
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@auroragb Virtually all the new buildings in Zhengzhou are newly constructed, what "original construction" are you referring to? How does tearing down unoccupied buildings attract new residents you tell me? And Zhengzhou is not the only "ghost city" that filled up, The Wujin diestrict of Changzhou has been called a Ghost City by the China Youth Daily and other Chinese and international publications. But is it really?
Video:
Changzhou, China Ghost City? youtube.com/watch?v=oEhytPP-FQA
Changzhou A Short Timelapse youtube.com/watch?v=1DvrkOOeNqc
Investing money into real estate isn't really a waste of resources, since sooner or later, housing will always be in demand as world populations grow larger and in China's case, more people from the rural countryside migrate to the cities to find jobs. I mean, even in Singapore, there are always new housing estates being launched in order to cater to its people's demand for houses.
And it is The People who will be occupying these cities eventually, so why do you claim that these cities do not serve the people of the nation? Your arguments are literally born out of sheer spite for China's success, rather than putting any serious thought behind your comment, that's why your points are easily shot down.
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@auroragb What "most democracies" are you talking about? Look at India, world's largest democracy for example, and it only has a literacy rate of 74%, which means that over 25% of Indians are illiterate, yet they are allowed to participate in political decisions that will affect India's future? Every 1 in 4 Indians has not graduated from school, so why do Indians allow them to participate in voting then? Because their British colonial masters told them democracy is the best?
And there are so many problems with democracies like I mentioned earlier, on how the ordinary people just aren't qualified to participate in politics. Look at Brexit, Donald Trump's election, Indian politics, etc, and what makes you think democracy is the best form of government you tell me? You mean you're just going to claim that these problems "don't exist" so they don't need to be solved?
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@auroragb Again, who is asking you to dissolve people? I clearly never asked you to dissolve people, you are the one deliberately distorting the meaning of "dissolving the government" to the insane notion of "dissolving people," just to avoid answering the question. It's crazy what lengths you go to, twisting words just because you are unable to answer the simple question I've posed to you.
And you claimed the people are capable of governing themselves, so again, why do you need a government then, since you seem to think ordinary people can govern themselves? Why spend money and resources electing a government, when ordinary people can govern themselves according to your logic?
Since when is CCP forced onto Hong Kong and Taiwan? Hong Kong has its own separate government from the mainland, under the One Country, Two Systems policy, proposed by China, so how is CCP forced onto Hong Kong? The Hong Kong Chief Executive is elected by Election Committee which consist entirely of Hong Kong groups, and all Beijing does is appoint the Chief Executive that's all and Beijing does not get to vote in Hong Kong's elections.
So how is CCP forced onto Hong Kong like you claimed? Hong Kong is legally part of China, and China can always abolish the Hong Kong government and fully reclaim Hong Kong as part of China (which would happen by 2047) but China is allowing Hong Kong to have their own separate government from the mainland, so again, how is Hong Kong forced to accept CCP?
And Taiwan has their own separate government, so who is forcing CCP onto Taiwan? The mainland also once offered to extend to One Country, Two Systems policy to include Taiwan as well, allowing Taiwan to keep their government and for the mainland to keep ours, yet remaining as a single unified country. No other country in the world is willing to tolerate having multiple political systems existing within their borders, except for China. There are no Democratic countries that have more than one political system within their borders.
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@samuelboucher1454 Look at China today and China today is currently at peace and not at war with any country, since our last major conflict in 1979. Instead of making war, China is building infrastructure like roads, railways, highways, bridges, tunnels, powerstations, dams, ports, airports, etc and investing in developing countries like Sri Lanka, Nepal, Bangladesh, Pakistan, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Tajikistan, and also African countries like Nigeria, Kenya, Chad, Sudan, Ghana, Mozambique, Tanzania, etc.
Whereas the United States is warmonger being involved in Gulf War, Iraq War, Afghan War, Libyan War, Syrian War, Yemen War, etc, even in the 21st century. USA is bombing in those Middle Eastern countries and enacting regime change by cutting off their "heads" (Saddam Hussein, Muammar Gaddafi, etc) and then installing their own US puppet governments in place.
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@samuelboucher1454 And what is mainland China doing to Hong Kong? Look at prosperous Shenzhen in the mainland, just across from Hong Kong and Shenzhen’s economic growth surpassed Hong Kong's in 2017.
Source: Shenzhen surpasses US$338 billion GDP mark in 2017, beats Hong Kong and Singapore’s growth scmp.com/news/china/economy/article/2128310/shenzhen-88-cent-hi-tech-growth-roll-hit-y2tr-2017
Shenzhen is roughly the same economic size as Singapore and Hong Kong, but recorded nominal output of 2.2 trillion yuan (US$338 billion) in 2017 thanks to its booming hi-tech sector. Over 40% of the output came from “innovative” businesses such as internet, biotech and telecom.
And that's despite Shenzhen being under communist party rule, while Hong Kong is suffering under its own democratic government.
Look at Tibet Autonomous Region and Chinese workers modernised Tibet, building roads, railways, streetlamps, running water, gas and electricity as well as introducing modern amenities like cars, computers, telephones, smartphones, The Internet, WiFi, online shopping (from Taobao) and so on. Here's a video by WildFilmsIndia showing modern day life in Tibet and its simply not what they expected.
Video: Modern day Lhasa is not a patch on what you think Tibet looks like youtu.be/3zIQlZopTPo
You talked about Chinese government cracking down on underground Christian churches and what's wrong with that? If you are a Christian in China, then you should register yourself with the proper Chinese authorities. I mean, as a atheist Chinese citizen myself, why should unregistered Christians be allowed to worship in underground churches in China? What have they got to hide?
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@RaginYak I have shown that 14th Dalai Lama received funding from the CIA to train Tibetan guerrillas to engage in separatist activities against the communist government, and exposed the declassified CIA files. The Dalai Lama even criticised the CIA, saying that America was not actually supporting Tibetan independence, they just wanted to destabilise communist governments.
In his 1991 autobiography Freedom in Exile, the 14th Dalai Lama criticized the CIA for supporting the Tibetan independence movement "not because they (the CIA) cared about Tibetan independence, but as part of their worldwide efforts to destabilize all communist governments".
Source: CIA Tibetan program wikipedia.org/wiki/CIA_Tibetan_program#Criticism
In 1999, the Dalai Lama claimed that the CIA Tibetan program had been harmful to Tibet because it primarily served American interests, claiming "once the American policy toward China changed, they stopped their help".
This is supported by the fact that after President Nixon's visit to China, USA stopped caring about Tibetan independence. Today, countries all over the world recognise TAR as part of the People's Republic of China, and if you draw the Map of China, Tibet is clearly part of China.
The Seventeen Point Agreement is a legally binding agreement affirming Chinese sovereignty over Tibet, signed by the Tibetans in 1951. In his autobiography, the Dalai Lama states that the Tibetan delegates claimed they were forced 'under duress' to sign the agreement... Their feeling of duress derives from the general Chinese threat to use military force again in Central Tibet if an agreement was not concluded. However, according to international law, this does not invalidate an agreement. So long as there is no physical violence against the signatories, an agreement is valid.
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@RaginYak Look at Tibet when it was under Dalai Lama rule. Previously, while Tibet was under Dalai Lama rule, Tibet was a brutal theocracy, where 95% of the population were slaves and the remaining 5% elites were slave owners. Tibetan mountainous soil is infertile, rainfall is scarce in the Himalayas, so the slaves had to work hard to feed the Tibetan population. Starvation was commonplace and theft of food was punished by torture, amputation and even skinning. There's this Tibetan drum called damaru that's made from human skulls, a drumskin made of human skin and drumstick made of human bone. The Dalai Lama was overly worshipped and his followers fought for the right to consume his saliva, his urine and even his feces, because he was considered a divine vessel.
After Tibet returned back to China, Chinese workers began rapidly modernising Tibet, building roads, railways, streetlamps, running water, gas and electricity as well as introducing modern amenities like cars, computers, telephone cables, smartphones, the Internet, WiFi, online shopping (from Taobao) and so on. Under CCP, the first Tibetan colleges opened in Lhasa, offering degrees in both Tibetan and Mandarin Chinese languages. Hydroelectric powerstations were built by Chinese to supply Tibetan homes with electricity.
Source: List of universities and colleges in Tibet wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_universities_and_colleges_in_Tibet
Source: List of major power stations in the Tibet Autonomous Region wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_major_power_stations_in_the_Tibet_Autonomous_Region
Chinese workers built the Qinghai-Lhasa railway (world's highest elevation railway) through dangerous mountainous terrain and low oxygen environments, to connect the normally isolated Tibet with the rest of the world. Tibet can now import food from the mainland to feed its population, and Tibet's population has tripled from 1 million in 1950s to over 3 million people today. A thriving tourist industry has even sprung up in Tibet.
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tarin tarin Evil? China is currently at peace and not at war with any country, since our last major conflict in 1979. Instead of making war, China is building infrastructure like roads, railways, highways, bridges, tunnels, powerstations, dams, ports, airports, etc and investing in developing countries like Sri Lanka, Nepal, Bangladesh, Pakistan, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Tajikistan, and also African countries like Nigeria, Kenya, Chad, Sudan, Ghana, Mozambique, Tanzania, etc.
Whereas the United States is warmonger being involved in Gulf War, Iraq War, Afghan War, Libyan War, Syrian War, Yemen War, etc, even in the 21st century. USA is bombing in those Middle Eastern countries and enacting regime change by cutting off their "heads" (Saddam Hussein, Muammar Gaddafi, etc) and then installing their own US puppet governments in place.
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@Tacit_Tern Previously, while Tibet was under Dalai Lama rule, Tibet was a brutal theocracy, where 95% of the population were slaves and the remaining 5% elites were slave owners. Tibetan mountainous soil is infertile, rainfall is scarce in the Himalayas, so the slaves had to work hard to feed the Tibetan population. Starvation was commonplace and theft of food was punished by torture, amputation and even skinning. There's this Tibetan drum called damaru that's made from human skulls, a drumskin made of human skin and drumstick made of human bone. The Dalai Lama was overly worshipped and his followers fought for the right to consume his saliva, his urine and even his feces, because he was considered a divine vessel.
After Tibet returned back to China, Chinese workers began rapidly modernising Tibet, building roads, railways, streetlamps, running water, gas and electricity as well as introducing modern amenities like cars, computers, telephone cables, smartphones, the Internet, WiFi, online shopping (from Taobao) and so on. Under CPC, the first Tibetan colleges opened in Lhasa, offering degrees in both Tibetan and Mandarin Chinese languages. Hydroelectric powerstations were built by Chinese to supply Tibetan homes with electricity.
Source: List of universities and colleges in Tibet wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_universities_and_colleges_in_Tibet
Source: List of major power stations in the Tibet Autonomous Region wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_major_power_stations_in_the_Tibet_Autonomous_Region
Chinese workers built the Qinghai-Lhasa railway (world's highest elevation railway) through dangerous mountainous terrain and low oxygen environments, to connect the normally isolated Tibet with the rest of the world. Tibet can now import food from the mainland to feed its population, and Tibet's population has tripled from 1 million in 1950s to over 3 million people today. A thriving tourist industry has even sprung up in Tibet.
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@chadwarden5472 "神州 Shenzhou what are your thoughts on 1989 Tiananmen Square protests?"
They were Chinese university undergraduates, and they haven't even stepped out into the real world of working adults, yet they already think they know how the best way to govern China? Over Deng Xiaoping? Deng Xiaoping was the man who introduced capitalist reforms to China in 1970s, so imagine what would have happened if these anti-Deng protestors had succeeded in toppling China.
China would have been fragmented and divided into various provinces, just like when the Soviet Union collapsed in 1990s and fragmented into Russia, Ukraine, Lithuania, etc, and similarly China would be fragmented into Tibet, Xinjiang, Inner Mongolia, Manchuria, etc, instead of remaining the strong unified country we are today.
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@tommieberggren3324 China is currently at peace and not at war with any country, since our last major conflict in 1979. Instead of making war, China is building infrastructure like roads, railways, highways, bridges, tunnels, powerstations, dams, ports, airports, etc and investing in developing countries like Sri Lanka, Nepal, Bangladesh, Pakistan, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Tajikistan, and also African countries like Nigeria, Kenya, Chad, Sudan, Ghana, Mozambique, Tanzania, etc.
Whereas the United States is warmonger being involved in Gulf War, Iraq War, Afghan War, Libyan War, Syrian War, Yemen War, etc, even in the 21st century. USA is bombing in those Middle Eastern countries and enacting regime change by cutting off their "heads" (Saddam Hussein, Muammar Gaddafi, etc) and then installing their own US puppet governments in place.
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@thetruth5011 Many countries have adapted Chinese food to suit their tastes. For example:
American Chinese cuisine has General Tso's chicken, Chop Suey, Crab Rangoon, etc.
Australian Chinese cuisine has Lemon Chicken, Chow Sam See, Mustard Prawns, etc.
Canadian Chinese cuisine has _Ginger Beef, Newfoundland Chow Mein, Thunder Bay Bon Bons, etc.
Caribbean Chinese cuisine has Cha Chee Kai, Jerk Chow Mein, Char Siu Pork Dhalpouri, etc.
Filipino Chinese cuisine has Batchoy (肉脆), Hopia (好餅), Kiampong (鹹飯) etc.
Indian Chinese cuisine has Manchurian Mutton, Jalfrezi Chicken, Hunan Chicken, etc.
Japanese Chinese cuisine has Ramen (拉麺), Chashu (叉燒), Mābō-dōfu (麻婆豆腐), etc.
Korean Chinese cuisine has Jajangmyeon (炸酱面), Jjamppong (焖面), Tangsuyuk (糖醋肉), etc.
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and many other countries have their own version of Chinese cuisine adapted to local tastes.
Sources:
American Chinese cuisine wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Chinese_cuisine
Australian Chinese cuisine wikipedia.org/wiki/Australian_Chinese_cuisine
Canadian Chinese cuisine wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian-Chinese_cuisine
Caribbean Chinese cuisine wikipedia.org/wiki/Caribbean_Chinese_cuisine
Filipino Chinese cuisine wikipedia.org/wiki/Filipino_Chinese_cuisine
Indian Chinese cuisine wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_Chinese_cuisine
Indonesian Chinese cuisine wikipedia.org/wiki/Indonesian_Chinese_cuisine
Japanese Chinese cuisine wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_Chinese_cuisine
Korean Chinese cuisine wikipedia.org/wiki/Korean_Chinese_cuisine
Malaysian Chinese cuisine wikipedia.org/wiki/Malaysian_Chinese_cuisine
Pakistan Chinese cuisine wikipedia.org/wiki/Pakistani_Chinese_cuisine
Puerto Rican Chinese cuisine wikipedia.org/wiki/Puerto_Rican_Chinese_cuisine
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@thetruth5011 I just gave you evidence, you're just going to ignore it? Experts estimate that there are more than 40,000 Chinese restaurants in the USA alone. That already means that there are more Chinese restaurants in USA than the combined total of Burger King, Kentucky Fried Chicken, McDonald’s, and Wendy’s restaurants.
Source: Today, there are more Chinese restaurants in the United States than the combined total of Burger King, Kentucky Fried Chicken, McDonald’s, and Wendy’s restaurants. statspotting.com/stunning-there-are-more-chinese-restaurants-in-the-us-than/
Given that the % population of Chinese/Asian Americans is much smaller than Caucasian Americans, this implies that more Caucasian customers are visiting Chinese restaurants given that there are more Chinese restaurants than Western Fast Food restaurants. It implies that Chinese restaurants are catering to larger populations than the Chinese American population.
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@JohnBobb What makes you think Chinese people aren't free? Chinese people are free to travel overseas for work, study or play. I mean, Everyone has heard of Chinese tourists, visiting your lands and spending money on your economies. Your Western schools and universities are positively flooded with Chinese international students studying the same topic as their peers. Chinese companies like Huawei, Xiaomi, Oppo, ZTE, LENOVO, etc are expanding overseas and Chinese investors are buying up real estate in your countries.
Source: China has world's most outbound tourists nationmultimedia.com/detail/travel/30355861
China now world's biggest source of international students scmp.com/news/china/society/article/1797429/china-now-worlds-biggest-source-international-students-more
So what makes you think Chinese people aren't free? That China is locked up like North Korea? Chinese people can be virtually found all over the globe today, since we make up 20% of the world's population after all. Go to your neighborhood and how many Chinese nationals can you find in your country? Or go to your local university and ask your local students how they feel about the "Chinese competition."
I mean, when is the last time you stepped out and took a good look around?
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@akif5638 Indeed, Singapore has enjoyed immerse prosperity under PAP authoritian rule. So why waste money and time to on democracy? Why spend so much resources on elections polling the ordinary people in Singapore? You'll still choose PAP anyway so why bother? At least Singapore has smaller population than China, so you'll spend less money, but can you imagine China, the world's most populous country, spending all that time, money and effort to get our 1.4 billion population to vote? Why go through all that, when CCP is doing a great job governing China?
Like you loving your country, I love my country too. China was a dirt-poor, war-torn, starving country in the past, but under CCP leadership, China has transformed into world's 2nd largest economy, the world's factory (Made in China) having world's 2nd highest R&D spending, world's 3rd largest weapons exporter, protected by world's largest land army, the People's Liberation Army, funded by world's 2nd highest military expenditure.
And it has been achieved by authoritian single party CCP leadership. So why can't I make comparison to Singapore single party PAP rule?
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@JohnBobb So because Chinese government denies a couple of Canadians entry into China because of political reasons, suddenly means China is not free? If the Chinese government deems you a political threat to China, then why can't our government deny you entry? According to World Tourism Rankings, China is world's 4th most visited country after France, Spain and the United States, seeing some 60.7 million visitors in 2017
1. France (86.9 million)
2. Spain (81.8 million)
3. United States (76.9 million)
4. China (60.7 million)
5. Italy (58.3 million)
6. Mexico (39.3 million)
Source: World Tourism rankings wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Tourism_rankings
China is also the most visited Asian country, surpassing even Japan, Korea, Thailand, India, in number of visitors. So just because of few politically sensitive Canadians get denied entry into China, suddenly means China is not free? Every country have their own immigration laws and its not as though Chinese have been denied access into Canada for political reasons as well. Look at Canadian authorities arresting Huawei CFO (and the CEO's daughter) Meng Wanzhou, even though Meng did not break any Canadian laws while on Canadian soil.
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@JohnBobb Chinese students study in the West, because China has world's largest population so it's a possibility that not enough schools, not enough jobs, not enough resources for everyone in China. With such high student population, competition for top schools and higher education is fierce and intense here in China. Some students don't qualify for local university, so they may choose to study abroad (especially if their parents have $$$). If your Western universities choose not to accept school fees, then its their loss.
That's why your Western schools and universities are positively flooded with Chinese international students, competing with your local students in exams, for university places and even job offers when they graduate. If they can't find job in your country, they are always welcome to come back to China (thus, saving China the resources needed to train this student to university degree) as well as bringing in foreign knowledge and technology to our shores.
If they do get a job in your country, then they are depriving a local graduate of a job themselves, and if they rise to high position in corporate or government sector, they may get approached by CCP and possibly recruited as a spy in your country. Anti-Chinese sentiment in the West is also pushing some Chinese graduates to return to China, resulting in a sort of "reverse brain drain"
Whichever way you look at it, China wins.
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@JohnBobb "神州 Shenzhou Youtube keeps deleting what i wrote"
There you have it, YouTube actually has censorship of its own (sometimes, I can't post hyperlinks in certain forums) so what makes you think YT is free then? If you write certain sensitive posts on Chinese social media like Weibo or WeChat, then depending on the severity, your post might get taken down. But does that mean Chinese people can't talk normally or visit other countries and share different views?
You said: "Do you like your family? Would you like them to be free, or in jail? Simple question, easy answer."
Of course I love my family. And what's the meaning of your point about jail? By all accounts, it is America that has the world's largest prison incarceration rate and its prisons are so full and packed to overcapacity that US government sometimes release the inmates back on the streets in order to ease the overcrowded situation of its prisons.
Source: Wikipedia: List of countries by incarceration rate wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_incarceration_rate
So statistically speaking, aren't American families more likely to have a member serving jail time, than Chinese? So what exactly do you mean by "Would you like them to be free, or in jail?" Imprisonment is imprisonment for offending the law, whichever part of the world you are from, and America has the largest prison populations isn't it?
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@JohnBobb said "This is a hard topic, but why did you decide that China can only be successful if it's not democratic? Is a dog happy? It used to be a wolf once..."
China has 5000 years of history and is among the world's oldest 'continuous' civilization still alive today. China has always been under authoritarian rule (and we still are today) under the rule of emperors, so why should China adopt Western democracy then? Look at India, world's largest democracy and what makes you think that India is better off under democracy? Actually India enjoys several intrinsic advantages over China.
-India is word's 2nd most populous country, so its has comparable workforce to China's
-Many Indians speak English (more favorable for Westerners) while Chinese still struggle with English today.
-India is founding member of World Trade Organization in 1995, while China had a late entry in 2001
-India has better location, in between the East and the West, while China is in the Far East.
-Southern India has more shoreline (more favorable for ports) than Eastern China's shoreline
-India is democratic, China isn't.
Yet despite these advantages, China has long overtaken India in several areas.
-China is world's 2nd largest economy, India is world's 7th.
-China has world's 2nd highest military spending, India has world's 5th.
-China has world's 2nd highest research spending, while India is 6th.
-China has literacy rate of 96.4%, India has literacy rate of 72.1%.
-China has Global Hunger Index of 7.5(low) whereas India's is 31.4(serious)
-China is world's 3rd largest arms exporter. India is world's largest arms importer.
So what makes you think China should adopt Western democracy then? Look at India and it has literacy rate of 72.1%, which means over 25% of Indians are illiterate. Yet because of democracy, these illiterate Indians are allowed to vote in political decisions regarding the country's future? 1 in 4 people in India hasn't even attended school, so why allow them to vote in India's elections then?
China is returning back to our status as a "wolf" through our means, while India is remaining a "dog" of the West because Britain forced democracy onto their colonies.
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@CoolidgeGaming Modern China was built by the sweat, blood, tears and sacrifice of Chinese people and the government, to turn a dirt-poor, war-torn, starving country, similar to India (world's largest democracy) in the past, into an economic juggernaut today, the world's factory (Made in China) a growing scientific and innovative power, protected by world's largest land army, the People's Liberation Army and China today has strong global presence as well as being influential player of world politics.
The Chinese Communist Party is not perfect (then again, which government body is?) but despite its initial failures and setbacks, under its leadership, China's population doubled, our lifespans doubled, our literacy rates doubled and our poverty rates plummeted. The graph below shows life-expectencies across China, India, Europe and USA.
Life Expectancy at Birth in China, Europe, USA and India china-profile.com/data/fig_WPP2010_L0_Boths.htm
And its all been achieved under CCP leadership.
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@chaospilot2142 said "I mean what have people like you ever done to help humanity? You only make the world worse."
China today is not at war with any country, since our last major conflict in 1979. Instead of making war, China is investing in developing countries like Sri Lanka, Nepal, Bangladesh, Pakistan, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Tajikistan, and also African countries like Nigeria, Kenya, Chad, Sudan, Mozambique, Tanzania, Ghana, etc.
Whereas the United States is warmonger, being involved in Gulf War, Iraq War, Afghan War, Libyan War, Syrian War, etc, even in the 21st century. The USA is enacting regime change by bombing those countries and cutting off their "heads" (Saddam Hussein, Muammar Gadaffi, etc) and then installing their own US puppet governments in place. Now USA is eyeing Assad of Syria, and Maduro of Venezuela for regime change.
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@chaospilot2142 The US response to dealing with terrorism is to bomb those countries (Iraq War, Afghan War) and this destroys civilian lives and property, leaving families broken, homeless, jobless and harboring resentment against their own government or the USA, that's why they flock to join the terrorists cause. Al Qaeda was once CIA trained but rebelled against their masters after seeing what USA did to the Middle East. Even ISIS is said to be have been born because of US warmongering. This does not solve the problem, since when one terrorist cell is eradicated, another just pops up in its place.
China's approach is different. People join the terrorists because they are uneducated, jobless, wanting to feed their families and so on, so China invest in Pakistan to help build up its economy, provide jobs to people, help stabilize Pakistan government and lift more people out of poverty. The terrorists will find a shrinking pool of potential terrorists recruits, because people are able to find work, and develop their country, thus steering themselves away from terrorism.
Only time will tell if China's method will be successful or not in Pakistan, but the point is, US's method to dealing with terrorism clearly does not work. Why not try something different, instead of repeating the same method again and again, and expecting it to solve the problem? This is the definition of insanity.
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@chaospilot2142 The reason why N. Korea is poor today, is because it is still at war with USA, and USA slap crippling sanctions on DPRK. China wants to do more business with DPRK and to invest in its economy to open it up to the rest of the world, but we can't do anything big with the US sanctions in place. Nobody can do big business with DPRK while it's still technically at war with USA, because the war can always resume anytime.
It was revealed in 2016 that North Korea approached the United States about conducting formal peace talks to formally end the war. But USA rejected signing a peace treaty, because then, the Korean war will end, investors will start being able to invest in DPRK and the country will finally start to modernize. Even some Americans businessmen like Jim Rogers wanted to invest in DPRK, but can't do so because USA forbid American companies from working with North Korea.
"I'm a citizen of the Land of the Free, and I cannot invest in your country (North Korea)" - Jim Rogers, American businessman and financial commentator
Video: Trump is making China great again: Jim Rogers youtube.com/watch?v=D4Kk6miiymk&t=100
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@chaospilot2142 When Korea was divided into North Korea (USSR) and South Korea (USA), it was actually communist North Korea that had greater economic wealth than South Korea. South Korea's was dirt-poor, its per capita income was only US$72.00, and lower than even some Sub-Saharan African countries. North Korea was actually the greater economic and military power on the peninsula due to the North's history of heavy industries such as the power and chemical plants, and the large amounts of economic, technical and financial aid it received from other communist bloc countries such as the Soviet Union, East Germany and China.
The reason why South Korea is so powerful today, is because it enjoys the benefits of US protection. Unlike North Korea, South Korea is not at war with USA, and USA pump funds into S. Korea to develop its economy. It has US military bases stationed in South Korean soil, so S. Korea don't have to spend so much money on defense budget, whereas China has zero military based in North Korea, so DPRK has to fork out money to build up its military. While S. Korea can allocate more funds from its defense to spend on its economy.
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@chaospilot2142 What's up with your obsession of China censoring the word "Freedom?" I mean, Chinese people are free to travel overseas for work, study or play. Everybody in the world has heard of Chinese tourists, visiting your lands and spending money on your economies. Your Western schools and universities are positively flooded with Chinese international students, studying the same topics as their peers. Chinese businesses like Huawei, Xiaomi, Lenovo, Oppo, ZTE, etc are expanding overseas, and Chinese investors are buying up property in your lands.
Yet you are seemingly obsessed with Chinese censoring the world "Freedom"? Chinese people can be found literally everywhere in the globe today, since we make up 20% of the world's population after all.
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@chaospilot2142 Because so many people only seem to harbor only negative image of China. Why are you so obsessed to paint China and the CCP in a negative light? And a negative light only? Everything has both good and bad, and its not good to only focus on the bad. So I thought I help enlighten other people by pointing out some of China's achievements. I mean, you people s**t on China all day, then similarly, can't I talk about China's achievements?
The Chinese Communist Party is not perfect (then again, which government body is?) but despite its initial failures and setbacks, under its leadership, China's eventually population doubled, our lifespans doubled, our literacy rates doubled and our poverty rates plummeted. The graph below shows life-expectencies across China, India, Europe and USA.
Life Expectancy at Birth in China, Europe, USA and India china-profile.com/data/fig_WPP2010_L0_Boths.htm
China was once dirt-poor, war-torn, starving country, similar to India (world's largest democracy) in the past, but today, China has since transformed into world's 2nd largest economy, the world's factory (Made in China), the world's 3rd largest arms exporter, having world's 2nd highest R&D spending, protected by world's largest land army, the People's Liberation Army and funded by world's 2nd highest military expenditure.
And its all achieved under CCP leadership. So why can't I give credit where credit is due?
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@chaospilot2142 Which of my post have been lies and misinformation? I cite sources to support my points where possible and instead of attacking my points, you resort to calling me a liar?
Taiwan's rise was because it was under authoritarian single-party Kuomintang rule, for more than half its entire life! For decades, the KMT ruled Taiwan with iron fist, and KMT leader Chiang kai-shek was a dictator who jailed and executed dissidents and political rivals (whether real or perceived) in a period known as White Terror (白色恐怖) and he imposed martial law on Taiwan for more than 38 years, which was qualified as "the longest imposition of martial law by a regime anywhere in the world" at that time.
But under authoritarian KMT rule, Taiwan rapidly flourished and modernized in what's known as "Taiwan Miracle" Between 1952 and 1982, Taiwan's economic growth was on average 8.7%, and between 1983 and 1986 at 6.9%. Taiwan GDP grew by 360% between 1965 and 1986 and the percentage of global exports was over 2% in 1986, over other recently industrialized countries, and the global industrial production output grew a further 680% between 1965 and 1986. And it was all achieved under authoritarian single-party KMT leadership.
But with economic reforms came increasing pressure for political reforms and USA threaten to cut off weapons sales to Taiwan if KMT did not introduce democracy, so in the end, Taiwan became an democracy and its economic growth is in a slump today, wages are stagnant, cost of living is rising and many Taiwan graduates are seeking employment opportunities overseas, such as in the mainland or in Singapore.
So why should China adopt democracy then? Because Westerners say so? China is flourishing under authoritarian CCP rule so why is there a need to introduce democracy then?
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@adrianbundy3249 Modern China was built by the sweat, blood, tears and sacrifice of the Chinese people and the communist government, to turn a once dirt-poor, war-torn, starving country, into an economic juggernaut today, the world's factory (Made in China), a growing scientific and technological power, protected by world's largest land army, the People's Liberation Army and having strong global presence, as well as being a potential rival to the USA.
And its all achieved under CCP leadership.
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@adrianbundy3249 Those people weren't killed by the CCP, they starved to death because of Great Chinese Famine, which was caused by bad weather conditions like flood and drought, causing destruction of crops and resulting in poor harvests. Even Mao Zedong can't possibly control the weather isn't it? And it is people starving to death in a disaster, which is different from Emperor Meiji ordering the killing of the last remaining samurai, so what's your point?
And China achieved transformation from dirt-poor, war-torn, starving country into an economic juggernaut and military power today WITHOUT adopting Western democracy, so isn't China better than Japan in this regard? Also, most of Japan's great modernization occurred under authoritarian Meiji emperor rule, instead of Western democracy, likewise, so did most of China's modernization occurred under authoritarian CCP rule.
And look at Japan today, it used to be a strong military power during WWII period, but after the 1945 surrender treaty, Japanese military has been "castrated" and it is now bound to only maintain a "self-defense" force at all times. Whereas the People's Liberation Army is the world's largest land army, our Chinese navy is Asia's largest, and we even started building aircraft carriers. China currently has 1 aircraft carrier in operation, 1 undergoing sea trials and at least 2 more carriers undergoing construction in our shipyards.
Video: First China-made aircraft carrier sets to serve youtube.com/watch?v=48Jce11rFac
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@adrianbundy3249 "神州 Shenzhou First off, china took longer to due so"
China has the world's largest population, so of course China had more people to lift out of poverty. But under Chinese leadership, China's population eventually doubled, our lifespans doubled, our literacy rates doubled and our poverty rates plummeted. The graph below shows life-expectencies across China, India, Europe and USA.
Life Expectancy at Birth in China, Europe, USA and India china-profile.com/data/fig_WPP2010_L0_Boths.htm
China was once dirt-poor, war-torn, starving country, similar to India (world's largest democracy) in the past, but today, China has transformed into world's 2nd largest economy, the world's factory (Made in China), the world's 3rd largest arms exporter, protected by world's largest land army, the People's Liberation Army, funded by world's 2nd highest military expenditure and having world's 2nd highest R&D spending.
And its all been achieved under CCP leadership, without ever adopting Western democracy, so doesn't this show that not all countries have to achieve Western democracy to be successful, and China is living proof of this?
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@adrianbundy3249 About Great Chinese Famine, in July 1959, the Yellow River flooded in East China and according to the Disaster Center, the flood directly killed, either through starvation from crop failure or drowning, an estimated 2 million people. Source: _The Most Deadly 100 Natural Disasters of the 20th Century_.disastercenter.com/disaster/TOP100K.html
In 1960, an estimated 60% of agricultural land in northern China received no rain at all and the Encyclopædia Britannica yearbooks from 1958 to 1962 also reported abnormal weather, followed by droughts and floods based on Chinese government sources. This included 760 millimetres (30 in) of rain in Hong Kong across five days in June 1959, part of a pattern that hit all of Southern China. As a result, year over year grain production dropped in China.
Japan's military is clearly "castrated" and no longer the military power it was during WWII. Japan is a dog of the United States, bound by WWII surrender treaty (Article 9 of the Japanese constitution) never to declare war on another country except in self-defense, and it is only allowed to maintain a self-defense force at all times, even more than 70 years after WWII . Even Germany, Japan's WWII ally, is not bound by such a restricting treaty, and Germany is allowed to grow its military to become as powerful as it wants.
Imagine another 70 years into the future, and China's military have grown stronger, yet Japan is still stuck with maintaining a self-defense force, because of its WWII surrender treaty.
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@adrianbundy3249 Singapore has been ruled by authoritarian single-party government for its entire life as a nation! For over 50 years, the PAP ruled Singapore with iron fist, and Lee Kuan Yew (Singapore's founder) was a tyrant who tolerated not dissent, and jailed or exile his political opponents. Singapore citizens face severe restrictions on their basic rights to freedom of expression, association, and peaceful assembly through overly broad criminal laws and regulations.
(Now doesn't that sound just like China?)
But under PAP's authoritarian dictatorship, Singapore transformed from a sleepy fishing village nation, into a world class country, busiest port in South East Asia, producing some of the world's most best graduates, and punching above its weight than its neighboring countries like Malaysia and Indonesia. It's because Singapore leaders have foresight and can make long-term plans for Singapore future, given their 50 years of PAP rule.
Likewise, China has been under authoritarian single-party CCP rule for 70 years already. So how does your Western democracy, even play a role in whether a country is better or worst off?
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