Comments by "神州 Shenzhou" (@Shenzhou.) on "Chinese tennis star Peng Shuai now denies making assault claim - BBC News" video.
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From Peng Shuai's post (full translation available on Reddit) it appears that the sex was consensual, since she had previously known Zhang Gaoli before he became vice premier. She wrote:
"You said in those seven years, you never forgot about me, and you will treat me well etc... I was terrified and anxious. Taking into consideration the affection I had for you seven years ago, I agreed*... yes, we had sex. Romantic attraction is such a complicated thing that explain it clearly. From that day on, I *renewed my love for you. Throughout my time with you after that, purely based on our interactions, you were a very good person, and you treated me well."
She's clearly had a tumultuous, on-and-off relationship with a much older man, but there wasn't any suggestion of sexual assault in her post.
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@strnglhld "Wrong. She specifically said that he forced her to have sex without her consent. Try again."
I read Peng Shuai's post (full translation available on Reddit) and she had previously known Zhang Gaoli seven years ago, before he became a Politburo Standing Committee member and they had sex before. Three years ago they met up and have sex again and it was consensual. She wrote:
You said in those seven years, you never forgot about me, and you will treat me well etc... I was terrified and anxious. Taking into consideration the affection I had for you seven years ago, I agreed... yes, we had sex. Romantic attraction is such a complicated thing that explain it clearly. From that day on, I renewed my love for you. Throughout my time with you after that, purely based on our interactions, you were a very good person, and you treated me well.
So according to Peng Shuai's post, the sex was consensual so where did she said that he forced her to have sex with him without consent? That's why Peng Shuai is denying the allegations of sexual assault, because there were none in her post.
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You really believe those organ-harvesting rumors? I mean, no world leader has ever approached President Xi Jinping about allegations of organ harvesting, not Obama, not Trump, not Biden, not Canadian PM Trudeau, German Chancellor Merkel, French President Macron, British PM Johnson, Russian President Putin, Indian PM Modi, or any world leader for that matter, so why'd you still believe in rumors of ongoing organ-harvesting in China?
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@calvinblue894 Is there something wrong when a country becomes pro-China? China is currently at peace and not at war with any country, since our last major conflict in 1979. Instead of making war, China is building infrastructure like roads, railways, highways, bridges, tunnels, powerstations, dams, ports, airports, etc and investing in developing countries like Sri Lanka, Nepal, Bangladesh, Pakistan, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Tajikistan, and also African countries like Nigeria, Kenya, Chad, Sudan, Ghana, Mozambique, Tanzania, etc.
Whereas the United States is warmonger being involved in Gulf War, Iraq War, Afghan War, Libyan War, Syrian War, Yemen War, etc, even in the 21st century. USA is bombing in those Middle Eastern countries and enacting regime change by cutting off their "heads" (Saddam Hussein, Muammar Gaddafi, etc) and then installing their own US puppet governments in place.
If anything, it sounds like the United States is a threat to global peace and stability here.
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@ArchesBro I heard Singapore has pre-ordered or is in the process of buying at least four American F-35 fighter jets from the US military, although I'm not sure whether the transaction has taken place or in still in the works. Either way, I agree with you that such a purchase means that Singapore is tying their defense cooperation to the United States, since it makes them dependent on U.S maintenance of such advanced aircraft.
You said: "Anyway, I'm disappointed that Peng Shuai appears to be pinned down by the Chinese government. Sexual misconduct is not limited to China."
Peng Shuai has denied the allegations of sexual assault. I read Peng Shuai's post (full translation available on Reddit) and it appears that she consented to sex, and that she didn't make any allegations of sexual assault in her post. Peng Shuai wrote:
"Taking into consideration the affection I had for you seven years ago, I agreed... yes, we had sex. Romantic attraction is such a complicated thing that explain it clearly. From that day on, I renewed my love for you. Throughout my time with you after that, purely based on our interactions, you were a very good person, and you treated me well."
So according Peng Shuai's post, the sex is consensual and there appears to be misunderstanding in the Western media of sexual assault, when she did not make any such allegations. On 17th Nov, Peng Shuai confirmed this through an email to Steve Simon of WTA, saying that she was at home resting, that the allegation of sexual assault was not true, and that she was not missing. She also criticized the WTA for releasing what it claimed was unverified information about
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@ArchesBro Isn't nationalism the glue that holds a country's people together, especially during times of crisis? In the USA, there are many nationalistic slogans like "Make America Great Again!", "America First!" or "God Bless the United States of America!" because who else is going to fight for America, if not Americans themselves?
But we need to distinguish between nationalism and patriotism. Patriotism is a love of country and devotion to a particular way of life, which one believes to be the best in the world but has no wish to force upon other people. Nationalism however, is a belief that not only is one's country's system and way of life is superior to all others in the world, but seeks to impose this system onto others at other's expense. I personally believe China's political system, while not perfect, it has shown to be viable for our country and extremely successful to boot.
You said: "China is closing itself off from the world right now because it is about to experience intense economic pressure from the housing market bubble starting to pop and shrinking population."
I don't feel that China is closing ourselves off. Next year, China is hosting the 2022 Beijing Winter Olympics, inviting athletes from countries to visit Beijing. UN figures show China was the largest recipient of new foreign direct investment in 2020, overtaking the US for the first time. The Chinese economy brought in 163 billion dollars compared to the 134 billion attracted by the United States.
Video: China overtakes US as top country for foreign investment | DW News youtu.be/o-VHewwSz3A
If anything, China is only closing ourselves off because the government observes a Zero Covid policy, while most of the rest of the world don't. Other than that, how is China closing ourselves off?
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@ArchesBro You said: "In the original post of hers, she doesn't allege rape, but that she didn't have a choice because of the power dynamic and she was pressured to have sex she didn't want, writing that she cried the entire time."
Peng Shuai was initially upset at the beginning but she didn't cry the entire time because she had known Zhang Gaoli since before he became a Politburo Standing Committee member, and she recalled her feelings for him since seven years ago and that's why she consented to sex in the end. After that, she renewed her love for him and Zhang treated her well according to her words. Here's Peng Shuai's post again:
Taking into consideration the affection I had for you seven years ago, I agreed... yes, we had sex. Romantic attraction is such a complicated thing that explain it clearly. From that day on, I renewed my love for you. Throughout my time with you after that, purely based on our interactions, you were a very good person, and you treated me well. We talking about recent history, as well as ancient eras. You educated me on so many topics, and we had discussions about economics, politics. We never ran out of things to talk about. We played chess, sang, played table tennis, played pool and also played tennis together. We always had endless fun. It was as if our personalities fit perfectly together.
Here's a read through of the entire post by Peng Shuai video:youtu.be/cvTUvvePJYg
You said: "This whole incident has totally destroyed the Chinese government's credibility"
How did it destroy the Chinese government's credibility? As far as I know, the Chinese government has remained mostly silent on the issue of Peng Shuai and has not publicly commented on the issue. The closest comment said by the Ministry of Foreign Affairs spokesperson is that "China opposes the politicization of sports."
You said: "Atleast in the USSR they were trying something new, socialism, and they thought it would work... until it didn't and it was a disaster"
I don't believe the USSR was a disaster. Before the 1917 Communist Revolution, Russia was arguably the poorest country in Europe at that time. Only about 15% of the population lived in towns, and fewer than 10% worked in industry. 80% of Russia was agrarian, dominated by peasants whose traditional household economies were extremely inefficient compared to agriculture in Western Europe or the United States. Russia was technologically backward and lagged behind the more advanced Western European countries before the communist revolution.
After the 1917 Communist Revolution by the Bolsheviks, the new Soviet Union rapidly grew to become arguably the strongest country in Europe at that time, both economically as well as militarily (that's one reason why NATO was formed in response to USSR's growing military might). The Soviet Union was also the world's 2nd largest economy (after the United States) during it's heyday from 1960 to 1965.
Source: Soviet Union was world's 2nd largest economy from 1960-1965
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_largest_historical_GDP#By_average_values_of_GDP_(nominal)
Such an ideology that transformed what was once arguably the poorest country in Europe to its strongest, and yet many Westerners only seem to look a the negative side of Marxism and communist ideology. The USSR eventually collapsed in late 1990s because they tried to adopt Western-style democracy and economic reforms too quickly.
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@ArchesBro "神州 Shenzhou Lol, the Olympic Committee is incredibly corrupt. Most likely the Chinese government gave the International Olympic Committee (IOC) a lot of money, so they get to host it."
That's a serious accusation, do you actually have evidence that the Chinese government gave the IOC a lot of money so Beijing gets to host it? If not, then I'm afraid it's just your speculation without proof that's all.
You said: "You don't believe me that CHina is closing itself off from the world? Im sure you know the rest of Chinese people arent allowed to use the internet the rest of the world uses, like YouTube. The Chinese government specifically created their internet system to prevent Chinese people from getting information from the outside world."
I cited the 2022 Beijing Winter Olympics because it's an example of China opening up Beijing to international athletes from all over the world, so if China was closing up then Beijing wouldn't bother to host the Olympics at all. As for the Internet, China literally has the world's largest number of Internet users at 1 billion users. Here's a List of countries by number of Internet users:
List of countries by number of Internet users
1. China: 1,010,740,000 users
2. India: 833,710,000 users
3. United States: 312,320,000 users
4. Indonesia: 212,354,070 users
5. Brazil: 160,010,801 users
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Source:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_number_of_Internet_users#Table
As for YouTube, nobody will come arrest you just for login into YouTube while in China, which person has been arrested just for doing so?
You asked: _"If China's system was successful, why is China so poor per capita compared to the entire region other than India?
This can be explained by mathematics. China has to host the world's largest population at estimated 1.4 billion people. So if you're comparing GDP per capita, then if you divide our GDP by our enormous population, then of course you arrive at at low GDP per capita for China. The same goes for India having the world's 2nd largest population and that's why the GDP per capita for India is very low when you divide it by its enormous population. Because China and India are the world's 2 most populous country in the region.
But what's interesting is that China managed to achieve a higher GDP per capita than India, despite India being a Western-style democracy and China having a larger population than India.
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@ArchesBro You said: 'Taiwan was liberated when the US ordered Japanese soldiers to return to the mainland and their economy boomed when the former government of China fled there."
Taiwan's economic boom was achieved under authoritarian KMT rule. Taiwan had been under single-party KMT rule for more than half its life. For decades the KMT ruled Taiwan with iron fist and Chiang kai-shek was a dictator who jailed and executed dissidents and political rivals (whether real or perceived) in a period known as White Terror (白色恐怖) and imposed martial law on Taiwan for more than 38 years, which was qualified as "the longest imposition of martial law by a regime anywhere in the world" at that time.
Source: White Terror (Taiwan)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Terror_(Taiwan)
But under authoritarian single-party KMT rule, Taiwan actually flourished and prospered, in what's known as the Taiwan Miracle (台湾奇迹). Between 1952 – 1982, Taiwan's economic growth was on average 8.7%, and between 1983 – 1986 at 6.9%. Taiwan GDP grew by 360% between 1965 – 1986. The percentage of global exports was over 2% in 1986, over other recently industrialized countries, and the global industrial production output grew a further 680% between 1965 – 1986. And its all been achieved under KMT leadership.
Only in the late 1990s, when democracy was introduced (because USA threatened to cut off weapons sales to Taiwan) did Taiwan's economic growth became more modest. Since then, Taiwan's economy has stagnated, wages are stagnant, cost of living is rising, unemployment is rising and Taiwan graduates are increasingly seeking jobs abroad, such as in Singapore or mainland China.
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@ArchesBro You said: "The Korean peninsula was involved in multiple conflicts and the Korean war in 1950 and it is still dramatically more wealthy than China."
Korea was once a single unified country during Joseon Dynasty, until the Japanese invaded it and occupied it. After the 1945 WWII Japanese surrender, Korea was (needlessly) divided into North Korea (USSR) and South Korea (USA) and till today, the two Koreas have failed to reunify. By claiming the Korean Peninsula is dramatically more wealthy than China, are you comparing the per capita of both North and South Korea together?
Also, initially S. Korea was dirt-poor country under democracy, and their economic boom was achieved under S. Korean dictator Park Chung-hee, who began a series of economic policies that brought rapid economic growth and industrialization to the nation that eventually became known as the Miracle on the Han River. (漢江의 奇蹟).
When Park first came to power in 1961, S. Korea's per capita income was only US$72.00 and N. Korea was the greater economic and military power on the peninsula due to the North's history of heavy industries. One of Park's main goals was to end the poverty of S. Korea, and lift the country up from being a Third World economy to a First World economy via etatist methods, using the Soviet Union and its Five Year Plans as a model. Park is credited with playing a pivotal role in the development of South Korea's tiger economy by shifting its focus to export-oriented industrialisation.
But despite his modernizing of S. Korea, Park was also a dictator. On 1972, Park declared martial law and amended the constitution into a highly authoritarian document, called the Yushin Constitution and during this time, political opposition and dissent was constantly repressed and Park had complete control of the military, and much control over the media.
You can read more about Park here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Park_Chung-hee
Suffice to say, S. Korea's industrialization and economic boom was achieved mostly under authoritarian dictatorship of Park Chung-hee
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@ArchesBro You said: "Japan's cities were completely burned by US firebombing and nuclear attacks before they surrendered, and they are dramatically more wealthy per person."
Japan's industrialization occurred much earlier than either China's or Korea's. Japan first modernized during the Meiji Restoration (明治維新) and this was achieved not through democracy but under the authoritarian monarchy of Emperor Meiji (for which the period is named after). The individual powers held by feudal lords in the Shogunate (feudal lords) were consolidated under the Japanese Emperor, and as Japan rapidly industrialized, many old Japanese traditions (such as the Samurai Class) were abolished as they were seen as obsolete.
Meiji Restoration
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meiji_Restoration
(The disenfranchised Samurai class rebelled against this and you can watch Tom Cruise in Hollywood's The Last Samurai where the remaining Samurai fought against an increasingly modern Imperial Japanese army)
Suffice to day, Japan actually modernized way earlier than China and Korea, that's why shortly after Meiji Restoration, Imperial Japan became Asia's most powerful economy and military at the start of WWII. After WWII, Japan's economy suffered yes, but because Japan had a history of industrialization, they were able to bounce back quickly.
And it should be noted that Japan's industrialization occurred under authoritarian monarchy of Japanese emperor, not under democracy.
You said: "The answer is simple, with Russian influence, they tried socialism under that moron Mao and it destroyed the country's economy,"
Chairman Mao Zedong is the founding father of the People's Republic of China 🇨🇳 and he succeeded in the herculean task of reunifying our divided country where the previous Nationalist Kuomintang failed during the Republic of China 🇹🇼 (1912-1949) for 37 years.
Back when Dr Sun Zhongshan overthrew the previous Qing Dynasty China and established "democratic" Republic of China (1912-1949) China was divided into several areas, we lost control of Tibet, and various warlords ruled different parts of China and even Japan invaded China twice during this weak period of Chinese history. Dr. Sun tried to get help from the Western powers, but they laughed at the thought of China copying their democracy. They even gave away the Shandong province (which had been occupied by the Germans during WWI) to Japan, instead of returning it to China (even when China was part of the Allies during WWI). In the end, Dr. Sun died without ever realising a unified China under democracy.
But then Mao Zedong came along, and he accomplished what the ROC could not, and reunifed China under communism, proclaiming the People's Republic of China in 1949 and Tibet was finally returned back to China in 1951. If not for Mao Zedong, China today would still be weak and divided country, fighting among ourselves, instead of the strong unified country we are today.
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