Comments by "神州 Shenzhou" (@Shenzhou.) on "Concerns remain for Chinese tennis star Peng Shuai after call - BBC News" video.
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@woa2193 How is China a threat to democracy? China is currently at peace and not at war with any country, since our last major conflict in 1979. Instead of making war, China is building infrastructure like roads, railways, highways, bridges, tunnels, powerstations, dams, ports, airports, etc and investing in developing countries like Sri Lanka, Nepal, Bangladesh, Pakistan, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Tajikistan, and also African countries like Nigeria, Kenya, Chad, Sudan, Ghana, Mozambique, Tanzania, etc.
Whereas the United States is warmonger being involved in Gulf War, Iraq War, Afghan War, Libyan War, Syrian War, Yemen War, etc, even in the 21st century. USA is bombing in those Middle Eastern countries and enacting regime change by cutting off their "heads" (Saddam Hussein, Muammar Gaddafi, etc) and then installing their own US puppet governments in place.
If anything, it looks like the United States is the real threat to global peace and stability here.
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@rsdch China is currently at peace and not at war with any country, since our last major conflict in 1979. Instead of making war, China is building infrastructure like roads, railways, highways, bridges, tunnels, powerstations, dams, ports, airports, etc and investing in developing countries like Sri Lanka, Nepal, Bangladesh, Pakistan, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Tajikistan, and also African countries like Nigeria, Kenya, Chad, Sudan, Ghana, Mozambique, Tanzania, etc.
Whereas the United States is warmonger being involved in Gulf War, Iraq War, Afghan War, Libyan War, Syrian War, Yemen War, etc, even in the 21st century. USA is bombing in those Middle Eastern countries and enacting regime change by cutting off their "heads" (Saddam Hussein, Muammar Gaddafi, etc) and then installing their own US puppet governments in place.
If anything, it sounds like the United States is the real threat to global peace and stability.
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@Kevin-sc3ro Chinese workers work hard to make products like smartphones, computers, electronics, appliances, toys, sneakers, clothing, etc cheap so that the cost of living in the USA is lower than it would be. Think a about the billions of dollars Americans have saved on living expenses thanks to affordable Chinese goods. Money saved that can then be spent elsewhere on things like cars, housing, luxury goods, rent, tuition fees and so on.
Isn't that why many Americans often flock to Walmart for their everyday low prices? Because it saves them money?
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@fireturkeyfly11 The Great Chinese Famine was caused by bad weather conditions like flood and drought, causing destruction of crops and resulting in mass starvation. In 1958, the Yellow River flooded which coincided with the onset of the Great Leap Forward. In July 1958, the peak discharge of the Yellow River at Huayuankou was 22,300 m3/s (790,000 cu ft/s) with a maximum sediment concentration of 911 kg/m3 (57 lb/cu ft), 14× and 24× their mean annual values, respectively. This flood affected 741,000 people, submerged over half a million acres of crops (3.04 million mu), and destroyed over 300,000 houses in 1708 villages and was reported as the most severe flood since 1933.
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@parkerhughes434 "神州 Shenzhou Just curious, what happens to you in China if you speak out against a political official that doesn't align with the governments self promoted image?"
As long as your criticism is valid and possibly substantiated by proof (i.e corruption, forced evictions, unpaid wages, environmental degradation, etc) then the authorities will look into the matter. But personal insults and verbal abuse for no rhyme or reason aren't tolerated.
"Like an athlete speaking out against an official due to their previous relationship or a comedian making jokes about Xi Jinping, what happens?"
If you're referring to Peng Shuai's relationship with a much older man, again, this is her private matter with him, and doesn't have anything to do with the West. Peng Shuai has expressed her desire for her privacy to be respect, but it appears that Western MSM are demanding that she bare her life details for all the world to see. As for a comedian making jokes about Xi Jinping, this isn't tolerated. It's similar to disrespecting your parents, or a well respected figure, for the sake of fun, not for any valid criticism.
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@parkerhughes434 "神州 Shenzhou Americans disagree with those countries laws as well. It's the people who decide was is socially correct, not the government."
But who are Americans to tell other countries laws are wrong? Those countries are not America after all, it's their country, their rules. Just like it's our country, our rules for China.
You said: "China seems to have many sensitive topics that are illegal to talk about. That is very foreign to Americans because the United States is the king of sensitive topics, we just don't get into trouble for talking about them publically."
There are things in America that are illegal to do, that can be done in China. For example, I've been to USA before and I found that in many states, you can't walk around in public with a open bottle or can of an alcoholic beverage, or the police will come arrest you. But you can do that in China, no problem.
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@parkerhughes434 "Why are government officials exempt from personal insults or abuse?"
The same way African Americans are exempted from personal insults or abuse from being called the N-word by non-African descent people. Yet oftentimes, many African Americans often use that same word to refer to their fellow people of African descent, there is clearly this exemption that exists in America. It's the same reasoning in many countries, including China.
"Alright, and this is illegal to do in China?"
According to China's Policies And Practices On Protecting Freedom Of Religious Belief, in exercising their right to free religious belief, believers should not interfere in the lawful rights of other people, or force others to believe in any religion. Believers should not discriminate against non-believers or believers of other religions. No one shall use religion to interfere in the lawful rights and interests of citizens. Believers should respect public order, customs, cultural traditions and social ethics in exercising their freedom of religious belief.
"And I keep asking the Peng Shuai question because you are not answering it."
I did answer it several times, but it's apparent that you refuse to accept my answer. And you even phrased it as a hypothetical example that's all, how to know for sure what's going to happen in such a hypothetical example?
"I'm going to go ahead and believe it's safe to assume the CCP is not allowing her on Weibo or any social media for that matter, given her silence on all platforms. And is only given permission to send emails and make public appearances until approved by the CCP."
Your assumption has a flaw because Peng Shuai has a Facebook account and she isn't responding on Facebook (which is beyond the Chinese government's control) either. Therefore it's far more likely that Peng Shuai is merely keeping silent on her own accord.
"You must understand that this is very very foreign to an American."
Even though there's clearly a flaw in your assumption, why do you think this very very foreign to Americans? Didn't the former U.S President Trump had his Twitter account banned, even until today?
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@parkerhughes434 "That's a right we have, we can publically disagree with any law from any country we want... Overall, who are countries to tell Americans what we can or can't say?"
Then why people like Edward Snowden (or Julian Assange of Wikileaks) exposed the U.S spying on it's allies, and monitoring their citizens conversations for keywords relating to terrorism, get treated as U.S fugitives?
"This is true, but these laws are decided at the state level, just like how in some states it is safe to buy marijuana while in others it is not, but yes still an overwhelming majority prohibits public consumption of any drug including alcohol."
It's the same in China, in the sense that most laws are decided at the state level, and supported by overwhelming majority of the public in China. If there's dissatisfaction or grievances, including corruption, forced evictions, unpaid wages, environmental degradation, ethnic protests, etc, then the public protest and the government pays attentions.
"Now that's an interesting analogy for you to make, are you saying that public intoxication is as important to the Chinese public as freedom of expression is to the United States public?"
Excuse me, but when did I ever mention anything about "public intoxication"? All I said was that in China, you can walk around with an open can/bottle of beer that's all, and nobody will come arrest you for it.
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@parkerhughes434 "Unlike insulting the CCP in China, It's not illegal to say the N-word in the United States."
Then why don't you go into the the African American neighborhood and say the N-word to people of African descent? Go ahead and film yourself doing that. Since according to you, that's basically insulting the African Americans, then it has the same level as someone insulting the Communist Party of China for no apparent reason.
"the people control social change in the United States unlike China where it is controlled by the government."
That's apparently not true. Look at the Black Lives Matter protests and what social change in the United States did that achieve? Americans got a nice new road, but otherwise, the situation of African Americans in the USA is the same. And from what I understand, polls shown that majority of American adults (around 63%) want universal healthcare for all, but this doesn't seem to be happening.
"Are you really trying to say the Chinese government arrests and punishes people because criticism is like the N-word to them?"
Now you're switching back to criticism when we had been talking about verbal abuse and personal insults all along? I've already explained earlier that as long as the criticism is valid and possibly substantiated by proof (i.e corruption, forced evictions, unpaid wages, environmental degradation, etc) then the authorities will look into the matter. But once again personal insults and verbal abuse for no reason aren't tolerated.
"So it is illegal to criticize and degrade someone's beliefs in China, especially the CCP's, got it."
You had previous quoted my whole text on China's Policies And Practices On Protecting Freedom Of Religious Belief what has that got to do with beliefs in the CPC? Why are you seemingly drawing random conclusions out of nowhere?
"And about Peng Shuai, yes my question is hypothetical, but that doesn't detract from you avoiding the question in the first place. And that question, what would happen if Peng Shuai wanted to keep speaking on social media? Would the CCP step in to stop her or would they allow it? I think we all know what they would do, and you are just playing ignorant."
Since you admitted that your question is hypothetical, then there's no true answer because it's impossible to know what the CPC would do in your hypothetical scenario. You can't prove that the CPC would step in to stop her or whether they would allow it, because it's a hypothetical scenario.
"And why would Peng Shuai begin posting on Facebook, a banned website in China, when the CCP most definitely now has their eye on her? "
Peng Shuai already has a Facebook account what do you mean by begin posting on Facebook? And since you claim it's banned website in China then all the more why wouldn't Peng Shuai post on Facebook? But the fact that she hasn't, clearly implies that Peng Shuai is trying to avoid the public eye and keep a low profile, so does your assumption work?
"Yes Twitter, a private company, banned Trump from their platform as is their right. The United States government did not ban him because they do not have that right."
So you're admitting that the corporations have the so much power, as to silence the former U.S President Trump (back when he was the still the POTUS)? Then this is a difference of power. In China, the Chinese government controls the Chinese corporations for China's benefit, reining in companies when they gone too far. Whereas in the U.S, the rich U.S corporations control the U.S government for war and profit at the expense of ordinary Americans.
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@parkerhughes434 Not just Julian Assange or Edward Snowden, there was this U.S Marine Corps lieutenant colonel Stuart Scheller who was fired after he posted a video demanding accountability from military leaders over the botched evacuation of Afghanistan. Video: Marine Officer Court-Martialed For Afghanistan Comments youtu.be/Kh_dB9tgNMQ
I don't understand why you can continually preach about America's supposed "freedom of speech" when there's evidence to show that's not really the case.
"What about political grievances, such as putting stricter term limits on Xi Jinping or lowering the government censors? How can the public share these grievances if they are being regularly silenced and censored?"
While it's true that President Xi Jinping has removed the presidential term limits, but he still needs to be re-elected after every term of 4 years to keep his position. And the public can always go onto political forums in China if they want to discuss these issues with their provincial governments.
And I really don't understand what you mean, which person in China has been silenced and censored for political grievances about President Xi's term limits?
"are you saying that walking around with an open can/bottle of beer is as important to the Chinese public as freedom of expression is to the United States public?"
No, I'm just saying it's something that you can do in China that you can't do in many American states, that's all. As for freedom of expression in China, I've already given examples that in China you can display the Communist Hammer and Sickle ☭ flag and the Nazi Swastika 卍 flag, which you can't do in some other countries like Germany, France, Austria, or Ukraine, Lithuania, Indonesia. It just goes to show that different countries have different levels of freedom of expression.
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@fireturkeyfly11 Chairman Mao Zedong is the founding father of the People's Republic of China 🇨🇳 and he succeeded in the herculean task of reunifying our divided country where the previous Nationalist Kuomintang failed under the Republic of China 🇹🇼 (1912-1949) for 37 years. When Dr Sun Zhongshan overthrew the previous Qing Dynasty China and established "democratic" ROC, China was divided into several areas, we lost control of Tibet, and various warlords ruled different parts of China and even Japan invaded China twice during this weak period of Chinese history. Dr. Sun tried to get help from the Western powers, but they laughed at the thought of China copying their democracy. They even gave away the Shandong province (which had been occupied by the Germans during WWI) to Japan, instead of returning it to China (even when China was part of the Allies during WWI). In the end, Dr. Sun died without ever realising a unified China under democracy.
But then Mao Zedong came along, and he accomplished what the ROC could not, and reunifed China under communism, proclaiming the PRC in 1949 and Tibet was finally returned back to China in 1951. If not for Mao Zedong, China today would still be weak and divided country, fighting among ourselves, instead of the strong unified country we are today.
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@fireturkeyfly11 You said: "There are so many things going right and so many more things go wrong in China internally. The whole core system in the society is corrupt."
Yes, China has problems just like every other country. Corruption is a universal phenomena and every country suffers from corruption to a certain degree and President Xi Jinping has vowed to tackle the mountain of corruption inherent with the communist party. Several high ranking and low ranking communist officials have been arrested for corruption, but when is the last time a country like the United States had a corruption crackdown of it's own? For example, Hilary Clinton is corrupt politician, and Donald Trump promised to jail her during his presidential campaign. But after he became president, no further action been taken against Clinton for corruption.
"The Party is trying to patch this and that but never the core issues."
So what are the core issues? Tackling poverty? The Communist Party has lifted millions of people out of poverty into middle-income class. Granted it's not perfect, but it shows the CPC's commitment to tackling the core issues. Tackling corruption? President Xi Jinping has anti-corruption crackdowns like I mentioned earlier. Tackling pollution? China has built the world's largest hydroelectric power station, Three Gorges Dam to help reduce our CO2 emissions.
Video: Largest Dam in the World youtu.be/j3J196bLP5E
"It is majority of common Chinese people suffer, big time."
Have you actually been to China and seen what life is like here for yourself? Life is improving everyday in China. According to a recent Harvard University and Ash Center study, around 80-90% of Chinese citizens support the Communist Party of China.
A Harvard University survey has found that Chinese citizens' satisfaction with government has increased virtually across the board, with the central authorities receiving the strongest level of approval, increasing from 86 percent to 93 percent between 2003 and 2016, the period of the study.
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@surp99 What do you know about the social credit system? In the past, many foreigners often complain Chinese people spit in public, smoke in non-smoking areas, jump queues, disobey traffic rules, jay walk, drive on wrong side of the road, speed through red lights, etc when not all Chinese people are like that. We Chinese feel embarrassed that such bad people represent China overseas, so the government is designing a social credit system to discourage such bad behaviour and promote better behaviour instead. If successful, this will be meritocratic system where good behaviour is rewarded and bad behaviour penalised.
But if such people persist with bad behaviour, until their scores fall to become unacceptable, then they will be barred from purchasing plane tickets to fly out of China and make nuisances of themselves overseas. At least until their scores improve until it becomes acceptable for them to travel again.
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@surp99 You said: "I thought they were working class citizens from China but apparently they were from a prestigious university in China."
What's the name of this prestigious university in China that those Chinese tourists are from?
"While Singapore/Malaysia is open to cultural influences from the East and the West, its Chinese culture is unlike that of China. The three countries do not mirror each other culturally and China’s ability to transplant the Singapore/Malaysian experience is therefore not predicated on cultural elements."
I disagree. I've seen some examples of Singapore/Malaysia Chinese tourist who exhibit bad behavior before, such as complaining about delays, stealing hotel soap and shampoo, taking away food from the buffet counter, and other unsavory behavior. I am aware mainland Chinese tourists also exhibit such behavior, this is typical of tourists from a poor starving country (like Singapore was in the past) but with development comes better tourist behaviors.
"Most Mainland Chinese feel that the overseas Chinese community are merely “separated” from their China motherland. They believe the overseas Chinese continue to feel for China and have an urge to return, that these are “emigrants” who harbour a longing for home."
This viewpoint is not only shared by some mainland Chinese, but even some of the indigenous people of Malaysia feel the same why. I mean, just look at former Malaysian PM Tun Dr Mahathir Mohamad, he remarked that Chinese Malaysian eat with chopsticks, not with their hands like the "Malaysian way". This is the gist of what Dr Mahathir said:
"The Chinese eat with chopsticks, they don’t eat with their hands. They have not adopted the Malaysian way of eating food. They retained the chopstick, which is an identity from China, not Malaysia, and many other things" - Former Malaysian PM Tun Dr Mahathir Mohamad.
I mean, lets get this straight, China does not force the Chinese in Malaysia/Singapore to follow Chinese culture, they choose to do so of their own accord, then how can you blame Chinese mainlanders for having this view?
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@surp99 "神州 Shenzhou You really think Mahathir is loved by everyone in Malaysia? Hell he's a laughing stock in Malaysia anyway so most of the minorities in Malaysia including myself are siding with the Chinese and felt the comment was kinda bizzare."
He's the former Prime Minister of Malaysia for crying out loud, and since Malaysia is a democracy, that means he was elected into power by majority of votes by the people of Malaysia, then can't I quote his remarks? You're part of the minority, but in a Western-style democracy, the majority matters isn't it? That means majority of Dr Mahathir do share the same sentiments when he claimed Chinese eat with chopsticks, not with hands like the Malaysian way.
And again, China never point a gun at Chinese Malaysians/Singaporeans and force them to use chopsticks or adopt Chinese culture, they choose to do so of their own accord, then how is mainland Chinese to blame for this perception? If you think Chinese Malaysians/Singaporeans experience is not predicated on cultural elements, then don't borrow such cultural elements from China then.
Also, you mentioned a story about Chinese tourists supposedly being from a prestigious university in China, then what's the name of this prestigious university? Since you said it's prestigious then I should be able to know which university in China you are referring to.
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@surp99 "Hell, do you honestly think most of the Chinese citizen supports the government"
Why is it inconceivable to you that majority of Chinese citizens support the government in China? Previously, China was once a dirt-poor, war-torn, starving country in the past, but fast forward till today and China has since transformed into the world's 2nd largest economy, the world's factory (Made-in-China) having world's 2nd largest R&D spending, protected by world's largest land army, the People's Liberation Army, funded by the world's 2nd largest military spending.
And it's all been achieved under communist party leadership, despite Western anti-communist propaganda constantly denouncing China's success all along. As long as the CPC is able to deliver economic growth for China, why is it unfathomable to you that majority of the people of China support the CPC?
"especially with the case of Peng Shuai. Since she said that the sexual assault wasn't true, isn't that defamation or false accusation? That's a serious crime right there. But I don't see any punishment of any sort going her way? Why is that?"
I read Peng Shuai's original post (you can find the translated version on Reddit) and she has had a rocky, on-and-off relationship with a much older man, an affair that spanned several years, and while she was emotional in her post, I do not see any allegations of sexual assault, so what punishment is there to mete out to Peng Shuai?
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Also, since you brought up your experience with those Chinese tourists who were from a prestigious university in China, then what's the name of this university in China? I should be able to know the university you are referring to, if it is prestigious.
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@surp99 "神州 Shenzhou this was a long time ago so around mid 2019 and it had a like red whitish logo that looks like a tree or somethin but either it's Peking"
Where was this logo located? Is it possible that some people just acquired Peking University branded clothing but not that they'd actually been to Peking University itself?
"I doubt you or I will find anything as this was an isolated incident and not really mentioned in the media anyways."
If you claim it's an isolated incident, then there's no way to verify whether your story is the truth. It's just anecdotal evidence after all. The thing is that from my experience, I find many overseas Chinese from Malaysia and Singapore tend to (generally) look down on Chinese mainlanders. But Singapore and Malaysia Chinese were once poor immigrants themselves, they worked hard to succeed, but when Chinese mainlander does the same, they still look down on us.
"The thing I don't understand is why Peng Shuai isn't punished. Even if she didn't specify she wasn't sexualy assaulted, she clearly posted that as an ulterior motive to make him look bad."
Maybe she was already secretly punished behind the scenes. Maybe she realized her mistake and took down the post, and she made a private apology of some sort. Whatever it is, to me this is their own internal affair, it's not my place (or any third party) to tell them how to resolve this issue. The problem arises when the 2022 Beijing Olympics is just round the corner, and the WTA is trying to policitise the issue in order to possibly get more countries to consider boycotting the Olympics in Beijing.
"I don't even know how she manages to act like nothing is going on."
Right now, I think Peng Shuai is emotional after her outburst through her post, and frankly speaking, she should take some time off to sort out her personal affairs, lay low for a while until this all eventually blows over. Sports is important yes, but mental health and well-being is more important for her.
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@surp99 You're an Indian Malaysian right? I find that back when China was a dirt-poor, war-torn, starving country in the past, many overseas Chinese in Malaysia/Singapore feel ashamed of their homeland's weakness, and especially overseas Chinese in USA, UK, Canada, Australia, and other Western countries, they feel very ashamed when China is weak, so they support the Western anti-China narrative. But now that China has gotten much better, some overseas Chinese are beginning to feel proud of their homeland's rise, but many still vehemently deny their connections to their homeland.
I wonder if this is the same for Indian Malaysians like you, that they feel some sort of shame for India's current status that they want little to do with their homeland and more to do with their host country like Malaysia in your case.
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@NightTimeDay "神州 Shenzhou...an inhumane genocide denier. The CCP is the modern equivalent of Nazi Germany."
Nazi Germany promoted racial supremacy and Hitler demonized the Jews as inferior in their Nazi propaganda. If the communist party is the modern equivalent of Nazi Germany, then we should be seeing similar demonization of the ethnic minorities (i.e Tibetans, Uighurs, Mongols, Manchu, etc) by the Han majority. However, in China the ethnic minorities are exempted from the One-Child Policy (unlike Han) so they can have as many kids as they want. Ethnic minorities in China enjoy special privileges over the Han, such as tax exemptions, priority in healthcare, free education for up to 15 years, government bursaries, and so on. When applying for university admission, if a Han candidate needs say 600 points to qualify for the university course, then an ethnic minority needs only say 300 points (which easier to qualify) for the exact same course.
Isn't China offering privileges to ethnic minorities the complete reverse of what the Nazis did to Jews through anti-semitism? How then is China the modern equivalent of Nazi Germany?
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@santosturmio8189 You said: "I love China and I lived there for 10 years. When you realise what your current government is doing to you You could finally become a truly great country."
And what is the current government doing to China? Previously, China was once a dirt-poor, war-torn, starving country in the past, but today, China has since transformed into the world's 2nd largest economy, the world's factory (Made in China) having world's 2nd highest R&D spending, protected by world's largest land army, the People's Liberation Army, funded by world's 2nd highest military expenditure.
And it's all been achieved under the leadership of the Communist Party of China, despite Western anti-Communist propaganda constantly denouncing China's success all along. Then how exactly is China on the wrong path?
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