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The people of Taiwan do not realize that USA doesn't truly support ROC. USA did nothing to punish Russia's annexation of Crimea from Ukraine, except impose sanctions that's all, so what makes ROC believe USA would be willing to go to war with China for Taiwan's sake? They are being led to believe that USA will come to their aid, when there is no actual guarantee.
Chinese government has proposed extending the One-China Two-Systems policy shared with Hong Kong and Macau to encompass Taiwan as well, but ROC rejected this offer and has not offered counterproposal of its own. As far as I know, ROC still claims all of mainland China as belonging to them, including Xinjiang, Tibet, whole of Mongolia and parts of Russia, Burma, Bhutan, India, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Taijikstan, etc. according to following source:
Republic of China Administrative claims
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:ROC_Administrative_and_Claims.svg
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+randomguy8196 It goes to show that USA is unreliable partner for ROC, since it doesn't want war in the region. USA sells weapons to Taiwan because it wants ROC to continue remaining a thorn in China's side, and prevent true unification of China, which would decrease USA influence.
As for 1-China 2-System policy, of course it isn't fair, but how else do you expect Chinese government to negotiate? At least under the policy, ROC can keep its own government, and PRC can keep ours, but if ROC rejects it, then what exactly does ROC want then? To divide China equally into half and have equal governments for both sides? That will only tear China apart so how else does ROC propose to solve this problem?
The Chinese government hasn't attempted to take Taiwan back by force because they are still our countrymen and if possible, a peaceful approach is always better that outright war. The government can always fully integrate Hong Kong back into China (by force if necessary) and unlike Taiwan, USA doesn't care about Hong Kong, but of course, the Chinese government doesn't do that, and instead uses 1 China 2 Systems so that both our governments can keep our systems.
Why don't you explain what is wrong with this policy then and how to better improve it?
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Chad Leach You are talking about political stagnation in China, but the communist party has undergone great change since PRC's founding in 1949. The party is pragmatic, such that when they discovered Marxism did not help Chinese economy at all, they abandoned it and switched to capitalism instead. For example, the government's One-Child Policy was effective at limiting China's population growth, but once it was discovered that China has shrinking birth rates, it was changed recently to a Two-Child policy instead. When pollution levels were reaching intolerable levels, it was decided to ban further further incorporation of non-electric vehicles. It is this flexible approach that allows CPC to learn and adapt to changing environments.
USA despite being "democratic" also suffers from political stagnation. Trump was voted in because he promised to "drain the swamp" because of political stagnation. Previous US presidents followed more or less the same path, starting wars in Middle East and making sure the 1% keeps the wealth away from the 99%. If Hilary Clinton had been elected, it is no doubt that she too, would have followed this same path again, which was part of the reason why Americans choose voted for Trump instead.
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Opiniones de JACC's Opinions Actually, Tibetan government signed an agreement (Seventeen Point Agreement) back in 1951, acknowledging Chinese sovereignty over Tibet. Today, countries all over the world, including USA, UK, France, Russia, etc, have accepted Chinese sovereignty over Tibet as whenever you draw the modern map of PRC, Tibet is always part of China. Even in uploader's video, Tibet is part of China.
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Both Singapore and China actually have a lot more in common than Singapore and USA. Singapore and China both curb freedom of speech, and even though Singapore is "democratic", it has been ruled its entire life by a single party, PAP, for 50+ years. Similarly, China has been governed by the communist party since the PRC's founding in 1949, 60+ years ago.
But this does not necessarily mean that this is bad thing. When a party is in power for a long-term, they can make long-term plans to benefit the country, unlike in America, where each candidate can only run for president for 4-8 years maximum. That means the US presidents only make short term plans lasting less than a decade, since that is the term of their presidency. For example, the Trans Pacific Partnership (TPP) has been in the works by Obama administration for about 8 years, but after Trump took office, he cancelled TPP and thus, all those taxpayers money spent on planning just go down the drain.
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+Chad Leach If you look at the government, the older hardcore communist party members are slowly retiring and dying off, and the younger newer generations of CPC members are educated (many with Western degrees). China's change is slow and steady, not abruptly, like when Trump became president of USA. For example, President Obama was working on Trans Pacific Partnership for 8 years, then when Trump took over, he cancelled TPP because he doesn't like Obama (Obama humiliated Trump with his birth certificate) So all those taxpayers money in TPP all went down the drain because of sudden changes to governance like Trump coming to power.
As for foreigners in China, remember that China is world's most populous country. We are already somewhat overpopulated, so why is there a need to accept more foreigners as citizens at the moment? To China, the rest of the world is severely underpopulated, so China doesn't see much wrong with foreigners leaving China. Only rich Chinese leaving China pose a concern for the CPC, because it means China's wealth is leaving with them. This sounds harsh, but you have to look at this from China's perspective, not from foreigner perspective. If you are foreigner in China, you are expected to obey China's laws.
The government also realized that fossil fuels are polluting China, and are taking steps to slowly ban coal power plants in possibly 2018. Coal fuel burns dirty and is responsible for much of China's smog, even in Hong Kong, so China is slowly reducing coal imports to reduce oversupply of power from coal and switch to renewable energy sources instead.
China poised to ban new coal-fired power stations
afr.com/news/china-poised-to-ban-new-coalfired-power-stations-20160711-gq3izc
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+Trel carbyx In modern century, China did not wage wars on the same scale as Japan and USA, so what makes you think Japan and US are far more greater than China? Did China invade Philippines like what USA and Japan did to your country? As for South China Sea Islands, China first claim those territory back in 1947, under ROC's 11 dash line, which PRC's 9 dash lines is based upon.
Nobody objected to China's claim back then, not Vietnam, nor Philippines. North Vietnam had acknowledged that the Paracel and Spratly islands were historically Chinese. When Philippines became independent, it did not include Scarborough Shoals within its national boundaries. Even USA supported China's claim, and sent warships to help China reclaim those islands.
But then slowly Philippines and Vietnam began encroach on Chinese territory. Philippines crash an old rusting WW2 vessel in 1999 onto one of our islands and began secretly removing Chinese markers. Chinese government protested and offered to help Philippines by sending ships to remove the vessel, but Philippines declined Instead they began reinforcing it to prevent it from disintegrating, so that they can claim our territory. So who exactly who is being sneaky here? If Philippines object to China's claim, why didn't you voice it out back in 1947, when China first made the claim?
Taiwan independence is not recognized by many countries over the world, including USA, UK, France, etc, even Philippines. Chinese PLA troops continue to patrol our land at Donglong, not Bhutanese troops. The Diaoyu islands were historically Chinese, but stolen from us by Japan during the war. After Japanese WW2 surrender, Japan pledged to return all its occupied territory, so shouldn't the lands be returned to China? You are just biased against China that's all in your views. You complain of so-called Chinese "aggression" when China did not invade Philippines at all, but forgive Japan and USA when they invade and occupied your lands already shows that you have prejudice against different countries.
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China also once believed we will never get invaded, but 19th century British wanted continue drinking our tea, which China did not want to sell, so they waged two bloody wars with China and force us to buy opium from them at gunpoint, which we didn't want because it made us sick and was poisoning our people. Ports like Shanghai were forced open to distribute the drug throughout China and Hong Kong was also stolen from us.
Next during Boxer Rebellion, Chinese people wanted foreigners out of our lands, but 8 nations (USA, Russia, UK, Italy, France... ... even Japan) made an alliance to invade China and kill our people on our own soil. There was even widespread looting and raping of Chinese women. Afterwards, China's territory carved up like pie for the Western powers and China forced make massive payments to them.
Japan wasn't satisfied, made 21 demands and also invaded Manchuria, kicking off Sino-Japanese war, years before Nazi even invade Poland. Japan committed vast atrocities like Rape of Nanjing, Unit 731 and "comfort" women. In the past, Japan was starving and tribal country, but China taught Japan how to grow rice to feed themselves, how to cultivate silk for pretty kimono, and even how to read and write Chinese characters. Japan repaid this kindness by invading our lands, stealing our territory, killing our men and raping our women, even when Chinese army had never set foot on Japanese soil.
Nobody cares about China except Chinese people. Nobody can defend China from invaders, except Chinese people. Today, PLA is world's largest land army and because of that, Britain, Japan and USA think twice before invading China like they did in the past. A big country with weak army is ripe target for invasion, but a strong army acts as deterrent to invasion.
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Mickey G Africa is quite rich in resources and raw materials, but until Africans learn how to effectively harness it themselves, its resources will remain inaccessible, and African nations will continue remain poor as result. It's no use blaming other countries for making use of resources that African countries are unable to make use of themselves. China imports raw materials from Africa and exports finished goods to Africa, simply because Africans unable to make those same products themselves. But does that mean that Africans do not benefit from this arrangement? Africans still get access to technology like mobile phones, computers, electronic appliances and so on. They are not at the stage where they can make their own goods, but at least the roads and infrastructure form the basis of eventual African industrialization.
After China build those infrastructure, many overseas educated Africans are returning home to develop their homeland. It should also be noted that unlike Western colonialism, African nations are not being forced to do business with China and Africans still have negotiating power over their own resources, unlike with Western colonialism. Western powers have been one-sidedly looting Africa for centuries, whereas Chinese arrangement is mutually beneficial for decades.
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@readyandwaitingwithasupris3693 China is currently at peace and not at war with any country, since our last major conflict in 1979. Instead of making war, China is building infrastructure like roads, railways, highways, bridges, tunnels, powerstations, dams, ports, airports, etc and investing in developing countries like Sri Lanka, Nepal, Bangladesh, Pakistan, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Tajikistan, and also African countries like Nigeria, Kenya, Chad, Sudan, Ghana, Mozambique, Tanzania, etc.
Whereas the United States is warmonger being involved in Gulf War, Iraq War, Afghan War, Libyan War, Syrian War, Yemen War, etc, even in the 21st century. USA is bombing in those Middle Eastern countries and enacting regime change by cutting off their "heads" (Saddam Hussein, Muammar Gaddafi, etc) and then installing their own US puppet governments in place.
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@readyandwaitingwithasupris3693 About receiving funding, the Chinese government is pouring funds into R&D, and China already has world's highest R&D spending according to the following source:
Countries by Research and Development spending
1. China ($553.4 billion)
2. United States ($511.1 billion)
3. European Union ($379.0 billion)
4. Japan ($165.7 billion)
5. Germany ($118.8 billion)
6. South Korea ($91.6 billion)
7. India ($66.5 billion)
8. France ($60.0 billion)
9. United Kingdom ($44.8 billion)
10. Russia ($42.6 billion)
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Source: List of countries by research and development spending wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_research_and_development_spending#List
In the West, researchers often have to worry about funding, so they write papers and cite other peoples work to improve their credibility, so that they can expand their academic circles, get approval of grants so that they can publish more papers. It has degenerated into an academic system and many researcher's ideas remain on paper, instead of being turned into actual products.
Whereas in China, research funds are available at all tiers of society, from corporate to government sector, and a struggling research can easily get a $40,000 funding approval, thus freeing the researcher to concentrate on his/her research instead of having to worry about funding. The idea-to-product transition time in China is short too, so many researchers can feel a sense of satisfaction, witnessing their ideas being turned to actual products.
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Arguably Tibetans in China today enjoy better life than their counterparts outside of China. Located in Himalayas, Tibet mostly isolated from rest of the world throughout history, but thanks to Qinghai railway built by Chinese through difficult mountainous terrain, Tibet is accessible to rest of world and growing tourism industry has sprung up in Tibet. Growing food in Tibet very difficult since the mountain soil is poor and low rainfall, so the government introduced greenhouses to Tibet to increase agricultural yield.
Of course Tibet suffered during Cultural Revolution but so did the rest of China and afterwards, the government has helped rebuild many Tibetan temples that were destroyed during the revolution. Many modern amenities like roads, streetlamps, schools and universities were built to modernize Tibet and Tibetans today can enjoy access to water, electricity, gas, plumbing and electronics like smartphones, computers and Internet access. Thanks to convenience of Internet, Tibetans today can browse websites, shop online and have purchases delivered to Tibet, because it is part of China after all.
So for above reasons my opinion is that Tibetans today enjoy better standard of life than they did before.
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+Ryan Lajara Since exactly when does USA follow UN and the international law? For example, the USA suspected Iraq of harboring Weapons of Mass Destruction, but UN did not agree to let Iraq be invaded. So US President Bush formed a coalition to invade Iraq in 2003, resulting in mass civilian causalities. The Iraq Body Count project estimated over 100,000 Iraqi civilians causalities as result of Iraq war. In the end, no WMD was ever found in Iraq. The then UN Secretary General, Kofi Annan, called the US invasion of Iraq as not in conformity with the UN charter and was illegal.
If China wanted Asia for itself, then why is China building infrastructure to help developing economies to grow, like Pakistan Economic Corridor project, and even in Africa as well? China has pledged billions of dollars to aid African development, building roads, railways, schools, hospitals, hotels, shopping centers, football stadiums, and telecommunication projects.
You claim China want ASIAN hegemony, but China does not have any overseas military bases (except for the one in Djibouti). In contrast, USA wants WORLD hegemony, which is why it has over 500+ military bases even in Okinawa Japan, South Korea and of course, the Philippines.
Source: Wikipedia: List of countries with overseas military bases en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_with_overseas_military_bases
So, its because of the above reasons, why I believe USA is the greater evil, since it wants to maintain its global hegemony at all costs.
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+Ryan Lajara Iraq invaded Kuwait in 1990, during the start of the Gulf War. But I am talking about the 2nd Iraq war (the one in 2003) when President Bush ordered invasion of Iraq on suspicion of harboring WMD. Chemical weapons were found in Gulf War (1990) but as far as I know, USA did not find any new evidence of WMD during Iraqi war (2003), which was the basis for the US invasion. Even today, USA is still at war with Middle East countries, whereas China is not at war with any country currently, so why do you still China as the greater evil here?
Why you believe because a coalition of states support a country, tells that it is not a very evil move? During WW2, Germany, Japan and Italy formed the Axis powers, means that it is not a evil move? What about further back in history, during Boxing Rebellion in China, where 8 nations (USA, UK, France, Russia, Italy, ... ... even Japan) invaded China to steal our territories, plunder our wealth, kill our men and even rape our women? After the Rebellion, China's territory was carved up like a pie and given to the victorious countries. Just because more Allies group together, means that it is not evil? What logic is this?
I have never said what China does is for free. China runs a business, not a charity and in such business arrangements, both sides agree on the terms of the transaction, so both sides benefit. China is not forcing those countries to do business if they don't want to. But what about European colonialism in Africa, in which they colonize Africa and plunder it of its resources, while importing African slaves to work in their countries? What about genocide of Native Americans and Australian Aboriginals, so that Europeans can occupy their lands and live in those countries? Isn't that the much greater evil here?
What makes you think having US bases in their territory, means that the US treated them well? In South Korea, there is prostitution for US servicemen stationed there and in Okinawa Japan, the US servicemen can rape the local Okinawans with impunity, and the Japanese government can't do anything about it.
Source: Thousands protest at US bases on Okinawa after Japanese woman's murder theguardian.com/world/2016/jun/19/thousands-protest-at-us-bases-on-okinawa-after-japanese-womans
Also, Philippines was once Spanish colony, but Americans promised to grant Philippines independence. After Spanish defeated, Americans refuse to grant Philippines Independence and fought to conquer the country instead. This resulted in Philippine American war of 1899. The Americans massacred men, women, children, prisoners and captives, active insurgents etc. After the whole thing, 4,000 American soldiers died, 20,000 Filipino Soldiers died, and a whopping quarter million Filipino civilians died as a result of this war.
The Philippine American War youtube.com/watch?v=bN2wrZGcs8s
Thus, its because of the above reasons, why I claim USA is the greater evil. You may think that these wars are in the past, but look at America today, and isn't it still at war with Middle East countries? What makes you think USA won't start another war again? China today is at peace, and instead of waging war, we are helping poorer countries in Africa and Asia to develop their countries, so how is China considered the greater evil here? There are some sovereignty disputes, but it is bloodless and there hasn't been any outright war, unlike USA and the Middle East.
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+nguyen khanh Qing dynasty did government them and included those islands as part of China's territory. Also, if those "territory" belonged to Vietnam, then why did France have to invaded them and annex them into Vietnam? Because it was controlled by China, that's why.
Qing dynasty dealt with France as it was colonial power. Vietnam was not independent back then, so how do you expect Qing emperor to deal with the Vietnamese king when it was considered a colony of France?
I have shown you proof of Phan Van Dong's letter, then if you call him a traitor, then why is he your leader in first place? Of course its old document over almost 60 years ago, but it is still from your Vietnamese leader, so why isn't it official? It was published in Vietnamese newspaper, so how is it not official at all here?
Nobody in the world wants to see a rising China, so they all take sides with anyone opposing China. For example, USA and Vietnam weren't really allies, but because they have China as common enemy. But does this mean your countries are correct? China has these proof and even today, Paracel Islands is being developed as tourist destination, and tourists can go diving and windsurfing there, even get married on one of the churches there. So in the end, who really has control of Paracel Islands?
China Promoting Tourism for Paracel Islands
nytimes.com/2016/05/29/world/asia/south-china-sea-tourism.html
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Mickey G If you really live in Africa, then you should know that Africa is rich in resources and probably one of worlds richest reserves of natural resources. But all that natural wealth still remains unaccessible to majority of Africans if they are unable to tap into those resources themselves. African countries could one day be extremely powerful if they could harness their own resources effectively instead of relying on foreign nations to extract them. China is still growing and is hungry for resources that African nations have, but it should be noted that Chinese conduct business transactions with African nations to acquire those resources, which is fundamentally different from Western colonialism. China also help build much infrastructure in Africa, such as roads, railways, schools, hospitals, hotels, shopping centres, football stadiums and telecommunications facilities. These are fundamental to the development of any nation and China has done much to develop Africa in decades, compared to what Westerners did in Africa for centuries.
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After WW2, there should be no more wars, but then Cold War erupted between Soviet Union and USA, with proxy wars fought in Vietnam and Korea. After USSR dissolution, there should be no more wars, but USA still have Gulf War, Iraq War, Afghan War, etc, even into 21st century. In my opinion, the American soldiers should be fighting to defend their country and dying on their own soil, instead of in Vietnam or Korea or Afghanistan or Iraq, so why do they travel across the Pacific ocean to fight wars in other countries lands?
The US wars in Middle East cost estimated $4 trillion dollars of US taxpayers money. For comparison, China owns about $1 trillion dollars of US debt, so it is clear that US pumps a lot of money into waging wars halfway across the globe.The closest that the US mainland comes to being threatened was during the Cuban missile crisis, but America today has not been in danger since. Even North Korean knows that it will be annihilated if its missiles ever strike American property and personnel, so why is there need to resort to provocative actions in Korean peninsula?
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@Randolph1233 How is China bullying USA? China today is currently at peace and not at war with any country, since our last major conflict in 1979. Instead of making war, China is building infrastructure like roads, railways, highways, bridges, tunnels, powerstations, dams, ports, airports, etc and investing in developing countries like Sri Lanka, Nepal, Bangladesh, Pakistan, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Tajikistan, and also African countries like Nigeria, Kenya, Chad, Sudan, Ghana, Mozambique, Tanzania, etc.
Whereas the United States is warmonger being involved in Gulf War, Iraq War, Afghan War, Libyan War, Syrian War, Yemen War, etc, even in the 21st century. USA is bombing in those Middle Eastern countries and enacting regime change by cutting off their "heads" (Saddam Hussein, Muammar Gaddafi, etc) and then installing their own US puppet governments in place.
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@readyandwaitingwithasupris3693 As the world's most populous country, China has (statistically speaking) the most brainpower to come up with plans and ideas, as well as the most manpower to implement said plans and turn ideas into reality. Larger populations have more geniuses, and since China's population is 4x that of USA, there should be at least 4 Chinese geniuses to every 1 American genius.
Source: China's Statistical Advantage: Large populations have more geniuses http://iiipublishing.com/blog/2018/06/blog_06_07_2018.html
Consider two standard bell curves, say one with 1.4 billion people and one with 326 million. The number of average people in China is very close to 4.3 times the number of average people in the U.S. That is also true for those in the top 2% say, which produces scientists, the best business and government people, and the most competent computer programmers. Even there, China would have a 4.3 to 1 advantage, which would be quite an advantage, everything else being equal.
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@readyandwaitingwithasupris3693 China is home to two of world's fastest supercomputers, the Sunway Taihulight (神威·太湖之光) and Tianhe-2 (天河-2) and in 2017 Top500 supercomputer survey, China beat USA with 202 out of 500 of the world's fastest supercomputers, compared to USA's 144 out of 500.
Video: Sunway TaihuLight named world's fastest supercomputer youtu.be/KEdsrT1mFAU
Source: China surpasses US in supercomputers usage on Top500 list cnet.com/news/china-surpasses-us-in-supercomputer-usage-on-top-500-list/
Supercomputers play an important role in the field of computational science, and are used for a wide range of computationally intensive tasks in various fields, including quantum mechanics, weather forecasting, climate research, oil and gas exploration, molecular modeling (computing the structures and properties of chemical compounds, biological macromolecules, polymers, and crystals), and physical simulations (such as simulations of the early moments of the universe, airplane and spacecraft aerodynamics, the detonation of nuclear weapons, and nuclear fusion).
This implies that researchers in China have access to some of the most advanced facilities in which you conduct their research.
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@readyandwaitingwithasupris3693 Besides fast supercomputers, China is also home to world's largest highspeed railway network, surpassing even Japan's Shinkansen hi-speed rail in terms of track length. Our high-speed trains are world class, the journeys very smooth and enjoyable. Passengers have even experimented by balanced small objects like coins, stationery and smartphones on their edges in a train traveling at 350 kph, and the objects remain undisturbed (even stagnant water remains still) for long period of time.
Video: Watch how long coin can balance on high-speed train traveling at 350 kph youtu.be/fumYdO9XknE
Prior to the advent of high speed rail, during the Spring Festival, people in China would make the trip back to our home province to spend the new years with family and friends and the journey would often take several days. But thanks to China's high-speed rail, the commuting times have been cut short, from days to mere hours.
Countries by high-speed rail lines in operation
1. China (38,207 km)
2. Spain (5,525 km)
3. Germany (4,692 km)
4. France (3,802 km)
5. Japan (3,421 km)
6. Sweden (2,055 km)
7. United Kingdom (1,757 km)
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Source: List of high-speed railway lines wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_high-speed_railway_lines#Overview
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@AmitSingh-vi8jk Starts killing their leaders? Which Tibetan leader did the communist party kill? The Tibetan government themselves signed the Seventeen Point Agreement for the Peaceful Liberation of Tibet (中央人民政府和西藏地方政府关于和平解放西藏办法的协议) for short in 1952. The agreement is valid since it was signed by Tibetan government, so what killing of leaders are you talking about?
Previously, while Tibet was under Dalai Lama rule, Tibet was a brutal theocracy, where 95% of the population were slaves and the remaining 5% elites were slave owners. Tibetan mountainous soil is infertile, rainfall is scarce in the Himalayas, so the slaves had to work hard to feed the Tibetan population. Starvation was commonplace and theft of food was punished by torture, amputation and even skinning. There's this Tibetan drum called damaru that's made from human skulls, a drumskin made of human skin and drumstick made of human bone. The Dalai Lama was overly worshipped and his followers fought for the right to consume his saliva, his urine and even his feces, because he was considered a divine vessel.
After Tibet returned back to China, Chinese workers began rapidly modernising Tibet, building roads, railways, streetlamps, running water, gas and electricity as well as introducing modern amenities like cars, computers, telephone cables, smartphones, the Internet, WiFi, online shopping (from Taobao) and so on. Under CCP, the first Tibetan colleges opened in Lhasa, offering degrees in both Tibetan and Mandarin Chinese languages. Hydroelectric powerstations were built by Chinese to supply Tibetan homes with electricity.
Source: List of universities and colleges in Tibet wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_universities_and_colleges_in_Tibet
Source: List of major power stations in the Tibet Autonomous Region wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_major_power_stations_in_the_Tibet_Autonomous_Region
Chinese workers built the Qinghai-Lhasa railway (world's highest elevation railway) through dangerous mountainous terrain and low oxygen environments, to connect the normally isolated Tibet with the rest of the world. Tibet can now import food from the mainland to feed its population, and Tibet's population has tripled from 1 million in 1950s to over 3 million people today. A thriving tourist industry has even sprung up in Tibet.
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@AmitSingh-vi8jk The 14th Dalai Lama is a CIA agent and a traitor to his people. Declassified CIA files have revealed that the 14th Dalai Lama secretly accepted funding from the CIA to train guerrilla Tibetans in covert separatist activities against the central government.
A total of 1,735,000 dollars was devoted to the CIA Tibetan program for FY1964
-Tibetan resistance efforts in Nepal (US$500,000)
-Tibet Houses in New York and Geneva (1/2 year) (US$75,000)
-Training (US$855,000)
- Subsidy to the Dalai Lama (US$180,000)
-Miscellaneous costs (US$125,000)
Source: CIA Tibetan program wikipedia.org/wiki/CIA_Tibetan_program#Costs
American CIA has been secretly sponsoring separatist activities in Tibet against the mainland and only after the CIA files been declassified that this interference has been revealed.
Who said that foreign media aren't allowed inside Tibet? Here's a video (by WildFilmsIndia) of Lhasa, Tibet Autonomous Region, China and contrary to common misconceptions, Tibetans now have roads, railways, highways, bridges, running water, gas and electricity, as well as modern technology like cars, smartphones, computers, Internet, WiFi, online shopping and so on.
Video: Modern day Lhasa is not a patch on what you thought Tibet looks like! (By WildFilmsIndia) youtu.be/3zIQlZopTPo
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@manojattri9339 Ancient Chinese invented gunpowder and gunpowder weapons like handcannons, handgrenades, fragmentation bombs, landmines, naval mines, exploding cannonballs, rocket launchers, multi-launch rockets, and of course, fireworks. Americans celebrate the 4th of July with Chinese inventions, and world's oldest conformed surviving firearm is the Heilongjiang 黑龙江 handcannon, manufactured no later than 1288.
Source: Heilongjiang hand cannon wikipedia.org/wiki/Heilongjiang_hand_cannon
A 14th-century military treatise, the Huolongjing (Fire Dragon Manual), describes hollow cast iron cannonball shells filled with gunpowder. The wad of the mine was made of hard wood, carrying three different fuses in case of defective connection to the touch hole.
Source: Landmine wikipedia.org/wiki/Land_mine#Gunpowder
Chinese records tell of naval explosives in the 16th century, used to fight against Japanese pirates (wokou) wikipedia.org/wiki/Naval_mine#History
Source: The earliest rocket launchers documented in imperial China consisted of arrows modified by the attachment of a rocket motor to the shaft a few inches behind the arrowhead. wikipedia.org/wiki/Rocket_launcher#History
Source: The first multiple rocket launchers were made during the mediaeval Chinese Song dynasty. wikipedia.org/wiki/Multiple_rocket_launcher#History
There's even a Chinese flamethrower capable launching a continuous stream of fire at enemies, which must have been terrifying to behold.
Video: Chinese Flamethrower Video For Project youtu.be/oSFdXTJKUP0
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@AmitSingh-vi8jk I cited you a video by WildFilmsIndia, depicting modern Lhasa, Tibet Autonomous Region, China. Here's a travel vlog by Canadian tourist (Vafa Anderson) on his visit to Lhasa.
Video: Welcome to Lhasa Tibet - Exploring the City (By Vafa Anderson) youtu.be/J-TfN56ETVM
He took the Qinghai-Lhasa railway (world's highest elevation railway) and explains how each carriage comes equipped with it's own oxygen tank, because of low oxygen environments in the Himalayas. In Lhasa, you can see so many religious Tibetans praying, performing full-body kowtows, and spinning those "prayer tops" in prayer. The Canadian tourist was in Lhasa in 2006 and 10 years later (in 2016) he remarked how much Tibet has changed in a decade.
Who says that the Communist Party of China is constantly killing Tibetans and changing the demography? Tibetans and other ethnic minorities are not affected by the One Child Policy unlike the Han and Tibetans can have as many kids as they want. The population of Tibetans in China has actually increased over the years.
Population of Tibetans in China (1953–2010)
1953: 2,775,622
1964: 2,501,174
1982: 3,821,950
1990: 4,593,072
2000: 5,416,021
2010: 6,282,187
Source: wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_China#Ethnic_groups
So from 1953–2010, the population of Tibetans in China actually increased from 2,775,622 to 6,282,187, so how is the CPC killing Tibetans?
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@DippinSauc You can't answer my question, so you resort to hurling personal insults against me for my views? China today is the world's 2nd largest economy, the world's factory (Made in China) having world's 2nd highest R&D spending, being world's 3rd largest weapons exporter, having world's largest land army, the People's Liberation Army, funded by the world's 2nd highest military expenditure and China today has strong global presence as well as being an influential player of world politics.
Where's Taiwan's economy is ranked 23rd in the world, its manufacturing jobs have been virtually all but outsourced to be the mainland (Made-in-Taiwan used to be commonplace, but it's been largely replaced by Made-in-China) Taiwan has failed to deliver on their promise to someday retake the mainland and instead, it relies on US weapon imports.
Worst of all, Taiwan today has hardly any global presence, it's merely a pawn on the chessboard between world powers.
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@DippinSauc Granted, the Communist Party of China is not perfect (then again which government body truly is?) but despite its initial failures and setbacks, under its leadership, China's population doubled, our lifespans doubled, our literacy rates doubled, and our poverty rates plummeted. The graph below shows life-expectencies across China, USA and India.
Source: Life expectancy at birth, total (years) - China, India, United States data.worldbank.org/indicator/SP.DYN.LE00.IN?locations=CN-IN-US
China was once a dirt-poor, war-torn, starving country similar to India (world's largest democracy) in the past, but today, China has since transformed into world's 2nd largest economy, the world's factory (Made in China) having world's 2nd highest R&D spending, protected by world's largest land army, the People's Liberation Army, funded by world's 2nd highest military expenditure.
And it's all been achieved under communist party leadership, despite Western anti-Communist propaganda constantly denouncing China's success all along.
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@DippinSauc You repeatedly failed to produce Taiwan's declaration of independence, then what more needs to be said? And you can't even show how Taiwan is better than the mainland. Besides smartphones and drones, China is home to many of the world's largest banks including ICBC, China Construction Bank, AgBank, Bank of China, Bank of Communications, Postal Savings Bank of China, China Merchants Bank, Industrial Bank (China), Shanghai Pudong Development Bank, China CITIC Bank, China Minsheng Bank, China Everbright Bank, Ping An Bank, Hua Xia Bank, Bank of Beijing, China Guangfa Bank, Bank of Shanghai, Bank of Jiangsu, China Zheshang Bank and so on.
Source: List of largest banks wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_largest_banks#By_total_assets
But where are the famous companies from Taiwan as opposed to the mainland? How can Taiwan possibly hope to compete with the sheer economic power of the mainland?
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@DippinSauc China has produced successful Internet companies like Alibaba, Tencent, JD, Baidu, Suning.com, Bytedance (Tik Tok), Meituan-Dianping, NetEase, Kuaishou, Trip.com, Pinduoduo, Sina Corp, Sohu and so on
List: List of largest Internet companies wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_largest_Internet_companies#List
But where are the famous companies from Taiwan as compared to the mainland? How can Taiwan possibly hope to compete with the sheer economic power of the mainland? You can't even produce Taiwan's formal declaration of independence like I asked you to, so by default, Taiwan is part of China under their own constitution.
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@ccp_fact_checker Evil? China is currently at peace and not at war with any country, since our last major conflict in 1979. Instead of making war, China is building infrastructure like roads, railways, highways, bridges, tunnels, powerstations, dams, ports, airports, etc and investing in developing countries like Sri Lanka, Nepal, Bangladesh, Pakistan, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Tajikistan, and also African countries like Nigeria, Kenya, Chad, Sudan, Ghana, Mozambique, Tanzania, etc.
Whereas the United States is warmonger being involved in Gulf War, Iraq War, Afghan War, Libyan War, Syrian War, Yemen War, etc, even in the 21st century. USA is bombing in those Middle Eastern countries and enacting regime change by cutting off their "heads" (Saddam Hussein, Muammar Gaddafi, etc) and then installing their own US puppet governments in place.
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@olcankanicok9125 China is home to world's largest highspeed railway network, surpassing even Japan's Shinkansen hi-speed rail in terms of track length. Our high-speed trains are world class, the journeys very smooth and enjoyable. Passengers have even experimented by balanced small objects like coins, stationery and smartphones on their edges in a train traveling at 350 kph, and the objects remain undisturbed (even stagnant water remains still) for long period of time.
Video: Watch how long coin can balance on high-speed train traveling at 350 kph youtu.be/fumYdO9XknE
Prior to the advent of high speed rail, during the Spring Festival, people in China would make the trip back to our home province to spend the new years with family and friends and the journey would often take several days. But thanks to China's high-speed rail, the commuting times have been cut short, from days to mere hours.
Countries by high-speed rail lines in operation
1. China (38,207 km)
2. Spain (5,525 km)
3. Germany (4,692 km)
4. France (3,802 km)
5. Japan (3,421 km)
6. Sweden (2,055 km)
7. United Kingdom (1,757 km)
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Source: List of high-speed railway lines wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_high-speed_railway_lines#Overview
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@olcankanicok9125 China is home to two of world's fastest supercomputers, the Sunway Taihulight (神威·太湖之光) and Tianhe-2 (天河-2) and in 2017 Top500 supercomputer survey, China beat USA with 202 out of 500 of the world's fastest supercomputers, compared to USA's 144 out of 500.
Video: Sunway TaihuLight named world's fastest supercomputer youtu.be/KEdsrT1mFAU
Source: China surpasses US in supercomputers usage on Top500 list cnet.com/news/china-surpasses-us-in-supercomputer-usage-on-top-500-list/
Supercomputers play an important role in the field of computational science, and are used for a wide range of computationally intensive tasks in various fields, including quantum mechanics, weather forecasting, climate research, oil and gas exploration, molecular modeling (computing the structures and properties of chemical compounds, biological macromolecules, polymers, and crystals), and physical simulations (such as simulations of the early moments of the universe, airplane and spacecraft aerodynamics, the detonation of nuclear weapons, and nuclear fusion).
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@sureshkandasamy4972 Previously, while Tibet was under Dalai Lama rule, Tibet was a brutal theocracy, where 95% of the population were slaves and the remaining 5% elites were slave owners. Tibetan mountainous soil is infertile, rainfall is scarce in the Himalayas, so the slaves had to work hard to feed the Tibetan population. Starvation was commonplace and theft of food was punished by torture, amputation and even skinning. There's this Tibetan drum called damaru that's made from human skulls, a drumskin made of human skin and drumstick made of human bone. The Dalai Lama was overly worshipped and his followers fought for the right to consume his saliva, his urine and even his feces, because he was considered a divine vessel.
After Tibet returned back to China, Chinese workers began rapidly modernising Tibet, building roads, railways, streetlamps, running water, gas and electricity as well as introducing modern amenities like cars, computers, telephone cables, smartphones, the Internet, WiFi, online shopping (from Taobao) and so on. Under CPC, the first Tibetan colleges opened in Lhasa, offering degrees in both Tibetan and Mandarin Chinese languages. Hydroelectric powerstations were built by Chinese to supply Tibetan homes with electricity.
Source: List of universities and colleges in Tibet wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_universities_and_colleges_in_Tibet
Source: List of major power stations in the Tibet Autonomous Region wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_major_power_stations_in_the_Tibet_Autonomous_Region
Chinese workers built the Qinghai-Lhasa railway (world's highest elevation railway) through dangerous mountainous terrain and low oxygen environments, to connect the normally isolated Tibet with the rest of the world. Tibet can now import food from the mainland to feed its population, and Tibet's population has tripled from 1 million in 1950s to over 3 million people today. A thriving tourist industry has even sprung up in Tibet.
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@sureshkandasamy4972 Here's a vid of modern day Lhasa, Tibet, China (filmed by WildFilmsIndia) and you can see how developed Lhasa has become under communist party rule. Tibetans now have roads, railways, highways, bridges, streetlamps, running water, gas and electricity, and modern technology like cars, telephone cables, computers, smartphones, WiFi, the Internet, online shopping (from Taobao) and so on.
Video: Modern day Lhasa is not a patch on what you thought Tibet looks like youtu.be/3zIQlZopTPo (By WildFilmsIndia)
Even the poorest Tibetan farmer can afford a smartphone, connect to the Internet and shop online in Taobao and have his purchases shipped all the way to Tibet in the Himalayas.
Because Tibet is part of China after all.
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+Dan Neutron Actually, during Yuan dynasty China, it was Mongolian leader Kublai Khan that choose to abandon his culture and embrace Chinese culture, proclaiming himself emperor of Yuan Dynasty China. During Yuan dynasty, Mongolia (both Inner and Outer) were incorporated into China.
The same thing happened in Qing dynasty, when Manchu leaders proclaim themselves emperors of Qing Dynasty China, and incorporated Manchuria into China. Han Chinese had little to do with the incorporation of Mongolia and Manchuria into China.
Lastly, Tibet was incorporated into China in Yuan dynasty too, when Mongolians conquered Tibet and made it part of Yuan dynasty China. Around this time, Xinjiang was also conquered and incorporated by Mongolians.
If you think Chinese "stole" technology, then what about your countries making use of Chinese inventions like paper, printing, compass and gunpowder? Chinese people also invented the crossbow which was used by Europeans in medieval ages. China does not fault your countries for using our technologies, so why are you claiming we stole Western "technology"?
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+Dan Neutron Kublai Khan called his empire "Yuan dynasty China" not "Mongolian Empire" so it was clear that he had embraced Chinese culture and abandoned his own. During his reign, Mongolians were nomadic tribesmen and know nothing about growing food, so Chinese farmers feed the empire. Mongols know nothing of running an empire as large as China, so Chinese bureaucrats took over the daily affairs. Thus, Yuan dynasty is as much Chinese civilization as it is part of China.
According to en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qing_dynasty
"The Manchus identified their state as "China" (中國, Zhōngguó; "Middle Kingdom"), and the emperors equated the lands of the Qing state (including present-day Northeast China, Xinjiang, Mongolia, Tibet and other areas) as "China" in both the Chinese and Manchu languages, defining China as a multi-ethnic state, and rejecting the idea that "China" only meant Han areas.
The first compasses were made of lodestone, a naturally magnetized ore of iron, in Han dynasty China between 300 and 200 BC. The earliest chemical formula for gunpowder appeared in the 11th century Song dynasty text, Wujing Zongyao. Han Chinese have always lived in the lands constituting China today. Besides China is multi-ethnic, and not just Han Chinese only. Tibetans, Ugyghurs, Mongolians and Manchu people living in China are some of China's 50+ recognized ethnic groups.
Crossbows were in use in China since Qin dynasty. We know this because we have found bronze crossbow triggers in Qin Emperor's tomb, when the other parts like wood and string have long since rotted away. If you come to Xi'An to visit the tombs, you can find them on display.
Even if modern paper is exactly the same as in ancient China, paper's use in China is what laid the foundation for paper's widespread use today. Papyrus and other materials had died out due to competition with Chinese paper. Also Chinese invented paper banknote so that people today don't have to carry around precious metals as currency, which revolutionized trade.
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+Dan Neutron According to en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qing_dynasty#Names
-After conquering "China proper", the Manchus identified their state as "China" (中國, Zhōngguó; "Middle Kingdom"), and the emperors equated the lands of the Qing state (including present-day Northeast China, Xinjiang, Mongolia, Tibet and other areas) as "China" in both the Chinese and Manchu languages, defining China as a multi-ethnic state, and rejecting the idea that "China" only meant Han areas.
-The Qing emperors proclaimed that both Han and non-Han peoples were part of "China". They used both "China" and "Qing" to refer to their state in official documents, international treaties and foreign affairs, and "Chinese people" (中國之人 Zhōngguó zhī rén) referred to all subjects of the empire.
-In the Chinese-language versions of its treaties and its maps of the world, the Qing government used "Qing" and "China" interchangeably.
So what makes you think China is only consists of Han Chinese only? China has over 50 recognized ethnic groups, including Manchu, Mongols, Uyghur and Tibetan. You know how USA has Caucasian Americans (White), African Americans (Black), Latin Americans (Brown), Asian Americans (Yellow) and of course, Native Americans (Red)? Its the same thing with China here.
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+Trel carbyx Firstly, that tribunal (Permanent Court of Arbitration) is not even official UN agency, like International Court of Justice, Since the case was not conducted by official UN agency like ICJ, China reserves the right not to adhere to its jurisdiction, regarding issues like territorial sovereignty.
United Nations stresses separation from Hague tribunal
scmp.com/news/china/diplomacy-defence/article/1989486/united-nations-stresses-separation-hague-tribunal
Furthermore, China made declaration in accordance with the UN Convention on the Law of the Sea in 2006 not to accept any of the procedures regarding territorial sovereignty. Many countries including the United Kingdom, Australia, Italy, France, Canada, and Spain made similar declarations to reject any of the procedures regarding determining national sovereignty.
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Kal Kungyab Soviet Russia also held considerable power in the past, was also part of UNSC like USA, but that didn't stop America from traveling halfway across the globe to declare war on communism and spread democracy through proxy wars in Vietnam and Korea. So what's holding back USA this time?
As for your question, Life in Tibet is much better today than when it was under Dalai Lama rule. For much of history, Tibet was isolated from the world due to its location in the Himalayas, but thanks to Chinese construction of Qinghai railway through difficult mountaineous terrain, Tibet has become more accessable to the rest of the world, and there is growing tourist industry in Tibet. Farming in Tibet is difficult because of poor mountain soil and low rainfall, so Chinese scientists built special greenhouses to help increase agricultural yield. Tibet also imports food from rest of China to help feed its growing population.
The government also help modernize Tibet by building roads, streetlamps, infrastructure, schools and universities as well as modern amenities like water, electricity, gas and plumbing to Tibetan residences. Modern technology is also available to Tibetans in the form of cars, smartphones, computers and Internet access. Thanks to the Internet, Tibetans can browse websites, shop online, make payments and have purchases delivered to their house in Tibet, because it is part of China after all.
It is for the above reasons, that's why I believe most Tibetans do not want independence.
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+kikivoorburg You mean the government "threatens" other countries using pandas? And other countries actually feel threatened by possible removal of pandas from their zoos? That's a first...
As for your 2nd post, if Tibet was independent, that it is unlikely that Tibet will have the necessary funds to develop infrastructure on their own, or to have India or China invest in them. Tibet is located in Himalayas and you think India or China would build a railway through difficult mountainous terrain to access Tibet for free? You think the Qinghai Railway was so easily built? It is world's highest elevation railway passing through permafrost and regions with low oxygen. The passenger carriages have special enriched-oxygen and UV-protection systems to protect its passengers. You think Tibet could afford to pay for this project?
You people keep claiming "Most Tibetans want independence" but where did you get such information? Did you interview the people of Tibet personally? It was true that during monasteries were destroyed during Culture Revolution but so did the rest of China suffered and afterwards, the government eventually rebuilt monasteries that were destroyed during those periods.
The 14th Dalai Lama was a traitor that conspired with CIA to lead uprising in Tibet in 1959. Normally, Tibetan spiritual leaders supposed be removed from worldly affairs but by getting involved in politics, 14th DL had shown that he is no longer fit to rule Tibet. He abused his religious position to train Tibetan guerrillas in separatist activities. When the uprising failed, he and his followers fled to India as exiles, aided by the CIA.
Today, the Tibetans in China live arguably more prosperous lives than the exiled Tibetans, due to the modernization of Tibet. The 14th DL spends money traveling to places to preach, while his followers in India lead harsh lives. The future of Tibetan exiles is uncertain, and the DL is an old man. When he dies of old age, what will happen to the rest of his followers? It is clear that 14th DL doesn't really care about his followers or what the future holds for them.
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The Emperor Of China Chinese government only screens the candidates for election, but otherwise the people of Hong Kong and Macau still get to elect their own leaders by voting. What's wrong with this arrangement? The communist party has to ensure that HK and Macau candidates do not just suddenly declare independence, but otherwise, it is still the people's own votes that bring the person into power.
Of course reunifying with PRC is going to result in restrictions of some sort. You think states can just unify just like that, and then continue to enjoy the same freedoms as before? You must be naive if you are thinking this way only. Reunification results in compromise and sacrifice of some sort from both parties. If the Chinese government really wanted to, it can simply abolish the whole "democracy" in HK and Macau government and then working those states into China's economic growth policies. But at the moment, the government lets those states govern their country autonomously, as long as they remain part of China.
What has United Nations got to do with this? Even in UN there are laws governing who can join. For example, ROC is no longer recognized by many UN countries, while PRC is recognized as China. Both North and South Korea are UN members but both claim to represent Korea. There are also other states like Palestine and Israel that have their own recognition issues in UN. What makes you think UN doesn't have any rules regarding who can join and go?
You have constantly insulted me and mocked my solution, then exactly what do you propose in return? Of course it is not fair, because PRC wields much more power than ROC at the moment, but it is still a compromise that allows both states to keep our respective governments. You think ROC is going to be left the same as it is, even after reunification?
Did you even know that ROC wasn't even really democratic until 1987. Like PRC, ROC was ruled by KMT for 37 years (1911-1949) and even in Taiwan, KMT governed Taiwan under martial law for another 38 years. Taiwan under KMT faced much economic development and progress, similar to China in 1970s, but it was only after introduction of democratic voting, did Taiwan's economy slowed and relations between PRC and ROC became strained when the DPP took power.
Both KMT and the communist party had eventual goal of reunification of China, but with DPP taking the reins, the government does not know how to handle DPP given its eventual objective.
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+The Emperor Of China What nonsense are you talking about? As far as I know, the 1200 representatives in the Election Committee are consist of HK businessmen and corporations from various sectors including fiance, tourism, transport, etc. Which part of this committee is consist of Chinese mainlanders? In the end, the votes are all cast by people of HK, so what rubbish are you trying to say here?
Election Committee (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Election_Committee )
Han Chinese growth is negative, because of One Child Policy, meant to limit the population growth of China, to prevent overwhelming of resources needed to sustain such population. Before that, Han Chinese growth was far higher than that of other ethnic minorities and China faced a possibly of having insufficient resources to sustain such explosive growth. The One Child Policy did its job, and China's population growth shrank, so recently the government introduced Two-Child Policy instead.
USA and China are not at all related to each other in politics, but Hong Kong and the mainland are, under the One China, Two Systems policy. You are trying to compare two different political governing systems altogether, so what nonsense are you trying to create here? Are USA and China related to One China Two System policy like Hong Kong and the mainland here? Otherwise, exactly what point are you trying to make here?
If you are really American citizen, then what gives you the right to comment on China's internal political affairs?
+Patrick A. Crawley You people did not answer my question, so why should I answer yours? Carrie Lam received 777 out of 1,163 votes cast to become the next chief executive of Hong Kong, so what is wrong with this system? The 1200 votes were made by HK corporations and businesses, so how exactly did the mainland influence this system?
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+Mickey G If Westerner only contribute to majority of scientific advancement after 1400, then Asia contributed significantly to scientific advancement from before 1400 isn't that right? Ancient Chinese people invented the crossbow, which spread to Europe and enabled even untrained peasants to fight on equal footing with trained archers during medieval times. The stirrups that enable medieval knights to fight on horseback, originated in China from horse riding nomads in the North. Besides gunpowder, Chinese people also the first to invent handguns, bombs, handgrenades, landmines, naval mines, exploding cannonballs, rockets launchers and of course, fireworks. There is even an ancient Chinese flamethrower housed in Chinese museum, capable of shooting continuous stream of fire just like modern flamethrower.
But Western historical textbooks like to credit themselves with invention of these technology. Rocket was Chinese invention, but Americans claimed it was "white person" Robert Goddard that invented the rocket. Many Asian nations including India and China first made recordings of astronomy, but Western textbook would mention only people like Plato or Aristotle. It is this "white washing" that makes it appear like Westerners are scientifically superior, when much of their knowledge of science, mathematics, astronomy is actually gleamed from Asia.
Are you saying Native Americans did not consider themselves "nations", therefore they are deprived of the rights to their lands? Europeans were foreign invaders, not of the same continent as America, whereas Chinese civilization accreted from the various indigenous nation states living in Asia along the Yellow river. Our Chinese ancestors lived and walked on these very lands for thousands of years, whereas you can't say the same thing of European colonists in America. Only Native Americans could say their ancestors lived there for millennia.
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+Mickey G There are many more Chinese inventions I could name. Chinese people invented paper and printing to help preserve and transfer knowledge, which books such as Holy Bible are made from, and helped raised Europe out of Dark Ages. Chinese also invented the banknote, which helped speed up business transactions worldwide by reducing the carrying of metal coinage. In metallurgy, ancient Chinese people invent the blast furnace and cupola furnace, which made use of bellows to achieve the high temperatures necessary to smelt iron ore to create pig, wrought iron, cast iron, as well as steel, being the first nation to use coke as fuel. Using iron drill heads, Chinese people were also the first to drill wells and even mine for natural gas and salt, using bamboo derricks and bamboo pipes to siphon the gas to be use as lantern fuel.
About your father and son arithmetic analogy, it goes without saying that the son would not have progressed this far if it weren't for the father teaching him. This is why Chinese people tend to respect elders for their seniority and our ancestors who lived on the land before us. Without their efforts, China would not be where it is today. China has 5000 years of history and is one of world's oldest "continuous" civilizations still alive today, whereas other great ancient civilizations like Rome and Egypt have long since faded to history.
Even today, China has accomplished much from science, quantum mechanics and so on. China is home to world's fastest supercomputer, Sunway Taihu Light 神威·太湖之光 and in quantum computing, China is the first nation to launch world's first quantum satellite that is said to be hack-proof due to its quantum encryption, and also demonstrated that the quantum entanglement effect works at distances above the stratosphere.
Quantum satellite achieves 'spooky action' at record distance youtube.com/watch?v=4QlcKuxDGrs
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+Mickey G What is Chinese imperialism compared to Western imperialism? Which country is the one founding colonies in Africa, India and especially the Americas and Australia? China once had the opportunity to create colonies of our own, when our naval power was supreme, such as during Ming dynasty, when Zheng He led seven voyages, visiting Africa, India and the Middle East, with armada of ships, some of which were 4 to 5 times the size of Santa Maria (Columbus' ship) But it was a merchant armada for peaceful trading purposes, and not geared towards expansionism and colonization, unlike the European colonial powers at that time.
CrashCourse History on Zheng He's voyages https://youtu.be/NjEGncridoQ?t=126
If you differentiate between quantum computing and quantum satellite, then China also built our own quantum computer prototype that is 24,000 times faster than its international counterparts.
China Developing World’s First Quantum Computer chinamoneynetwork.com/2017/04/12/china-developing-worlds-first-quantum-computer
China hits milestone in developing quantum computer scmp.com/news/china/policies-politics/article/2092635/china-hits-milestone-developing-quantum-computer
If you really are Asian, then you should know that Westerners have often mocked our self-esteem and ridiculed our culture as backward as compared to theirs. But Asian history is much longer and richer than that of Caucasians. Studies have also shown that Asians are among the world's most intelligent and diligent people of culture, so why should we Asians somehow consider ourselves inferior to "White men"? This preconception that Asians are inferior, exists solely within our minds, that's all, and is restricting us from realizing our full potential.
We need to shrug off this misconception imposed onto us by Westerners, and to start seeing ourselves on an equal footing as them. Like you said, we need not grow to become overly arrogant. But we should definitely not sell ourselves short of what we are capable of.
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+Mickey G You keep claiming that I keep on missing your point... then exactly what point are you trying to make here?? The son would be unable to learn differential equation, if his father didn't teach him arithmetic first isn't it? You claim that the younger generation Chinese losing their values, but then again, the son is his own person, different from his father, isn't it? Do you think the son would be able discover differential equation, if he only stuck to his father's arithmetic all the time? In the same way, younger generation of Chinese are paving the way for China's future, in their own way.
Why is it you appear to look down China's accomplishments and claim that they are falsifiable? Besides supercomputing and quantum computing, China is 3rd country in world to independently send people into space, besides USA and Russia. In 2008, China conducted our first "spacewalk" during Shenzhou-7 mission and we even landed our very own lunar rover and spacecraft Chang'e-3 on the Moon in 2013, after almost 40 years of neglecting the Moon by NASA. The government also hopes to one day, put a man on the Moon like USA and to also be the first country to land on dark side of the Moon.
China Shenzhou 7 Space Walk Live!! Full Success! youtube.com/watch?v=gMxQEHfU6hM
You portray China as being imperialistic and expansionist, but currently, China is peaceful and not been involved in any war for 30 years, since our last major battle in 1979. In contrast, the USA is still involved in war and bombing countries in Middle East, even in 21st century. China has territorial disputes with some of our neighbors, but so far, it is bloodless without war being declared. The Chinese government has repeatedly stressed that bilateral dialogue is China's approach to solving these problems.
If Asians continue to worship the "white" man on his pedestal, then Asians will forever be shackled under them. Who's going to believe in Asian's success, if we ourselves don't even believe in ourselves? How are we ever going to realize our full potential, if we continue to follow Westerners all the time? It is not set in stone that Westerners are always superior to other races. The world order can always topple and change one day in future, as long as Asian people work towards it.
If Asians continue do nothing, then obviously, nothing will change. In the end, Westerners will continue walk all over us.
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Why are all you people accusing me being 50 cents, just for simply pointing out how ridiculous it is for 30 big Chinese trawlers to be fishing in supposedly "illegal waters" in same time? Why take big sluggish trawler to fish illegally, instead of small, fast, maneuverable boat that easier escape with? Are my questions so illogical here?
You people constantly mock and insult me for applying my logic to the news article, while you people just blindly accept it without questions. Why don't you people attempt explain why 30 trawlers are there in the first place, instead of mocking me here for my reasoning? You have no answer to this simple question, so you label me 50 cents instead?
Also, no one else has voiced out Indonesian government blowing up fishermen's livelihood and some people have even expressed support for Indonesia's actions. I mean, which other country does the same thing to Indonesia's fishing vessels? Nobody blows up Indonesian fishing boats, not even China, yet you people casually overlook it and some even approve of it?
You people have shown no respect and constantly mock me for being critical, while disregarding the actions of Indonesian government and so on. So what makes you people think you are justified? By labelling me 50 cents? You people are simply biased against me just because my views differ from yours.
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+Ryan Lajara Why is USA automatically assumed to be the lesser evil? China has been peaceful for 30 years since our last major war in 1979. But the USA is been involved in wars in Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, etc, even in 21st century. China wants to make Asia strong, by building infrastructure in Pakistan (CPEC), Kazarhstan, other -stan countries, Nepal, Bangladesh, Sri Lanka, as well as African countries, like Nigeria, Angola, Ethiopia, etc. But USA wants to provoke a war with North Korea by sending aircraft carrier strike groups and warships across Pacific Ocean, while still bombing Middle East Countries.
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+Jeff Li You are not in China anymore, so what gives you the right to say "Tibet, Xinjiang and Inner Mongolia are not parts of China"? You no longer from China, and don't know true history of China, so what gives you the right decide what belongs to China and what doesn't? Who do you think you are here?
According to en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qing_dynasty
-The Manchus identified their state as "China" (中國, Zhōngguó; "Middle Kingdom"), and the emperors equated the lands of the Qing state (including present-day Northeast China, Xinjiang, Mongolia, Tibet and other areas) as "China", defining China as a multi-ethnic state, and rejecting the idea that "China" only meant Han areas. The Qing emperors proclaimed that both Han and non-Han peoples were part of "China".
-They used both "China" and "Qing" to refer to their state in official documents, international treaties and foreign affairs and both "Qing" and "China" terms were used interchangeably.
So why you define China as "Han Chinese only" when China has over 50 ethnic groups? What do you really know about being Chinese, as to define whole China as Han Chinese only? 我已经给你面子了，你还不认错？证据明明在你面前，你还装眼瞎不看，那我还能做什么？
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+nguyen khanh China's artificial islands aren't "built from scratch". The construction activities on China’s islands and reefs are conducted on "natural features" over which China has sovereignty and which form part of the Nansha Islands. China is not "creating any new artificial islands" from the seabed.
scmp.com/comment/insight-opinion/article/1986732/debunking-10-myths-about-china-and-south-china-sea
Whether China or Vietnam does it more, both countries are doing it, so how does this excuse Vietnam's actions from China's here?
You are just making up excuses for Phan Van Dong's letter to justify Vietnam breaking its word. During Qing dynasty, France recognized China's sovereignty over the Paracel and Spratly archipelagos, in exchange for Chinese recognition of Vietnam as a French territory. Then in 1933, France seized the Paracels and Spratlys, announced their annexation, formally included them in French Indochina (Vietnam). Then during WW2 it was captured by Japanese, and after Japanese surrender, USA helped China reclaim Spraty and Paracel Islands.
Vietnam only "inherited" those islands because of what France did in 1933, so how is that justification of Vietnamese ownership of Paracel and Spratly? If Phan Van Dong had formally objected to Chinese ownership of Spratly and Paracel, then why didn't he clarify his stance first?
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+한국어로변역하는인간 Actually, South Korea got rid of nuclear weapons because of pressure from USA. According to globalsecurity.org/wmd/world/rok/index.html
"S. Korea began nuclear weapons program in 1970, in response to Nixon Doctrine's emphasis on self-defense for Asian allies. Following the withdrawal of 26,000 American troops, the S. Korean government decided to pursue nuclear weapons. By 1975 the US had pressured France into not delivering a reprocessing facility, effectiely ending attempts to develop nuclear weapons. Under pressure from the United States, Korea ratified the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons (NPT) on 23 April 1975."
So which country here is being puppet state of another power like USA? China does not "control" N. Korea at all, and like I said, China maintains zero military bases in North Korea, whereas S. Korea is host to many US troops garrisoned there. As for N. Korean missile technology they make use of Russian missile technology, not China's.
According en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hwasong-14#Engine The North Korean Hwasong-14 missile's engine is based on the Soviet RD-250 (R-36 (missile)) family of engines according to British sources and they were probably acquired though illicit channels operating in Russia and/or Ukraine. In August 2017 the State Space Agency of Ukraine claimed that the rocket engine used during 28 July 2017 North Korea's missile test was RD-250 made at a Ukrainian factory. According to South Korean intelligence, North Korea received 20 to 40 RD-251 engines from Russia in 2016.
So why blame China when the missile engines are believed to come from Ukraine and/or Russia?
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L C He may be doing that, but he is also targeting other high ranking corrupt communist party officials in the process. Who on this earth is altruistic enough to tackle corruption without some form of benefit to themselves? The fact that he is willing to take on the enormous task of purging corruption is already incredible feat in itself, especially one of world's largest political parties.
The government has labor laws to protect our workers. Under chapter 4 Working Hours, Rests, and Leaves Article 36 The State shall practise a working hour system wherein labourers shall work for no more than 8 hours a day and no more than 44 hours a week on the average.
Labour Law of the People's Republic of China
china.org.cn/living_in_china/abc/2009-07/15/content_18140508.htm
But of course, China is so populous that it is not possible to catch every employer who choose to work their people like slaves. Furthermore, China's labor force is so huge, that if you are unwilling to do the work, someone else will gladly take up your position, for lower pay and longer hours too. Such is the level of competition in Chinese workforce society today.
Chinese workers may work in unforgiving conditions, but at least they were getting paid. What do you know about serfdom in Tibet? During Dalai Lama rule, Tibet was brutal theocracy, with 95% slaves and 5% slave owner, which are the Tibetan monks. Peasants worked the poor mountainous soil to grow food to feed the 5% but there was barely sufficient food and famine and starvation were commonplace. Torture, mutilation and skinning were common punishments and there is even Tibetan human drum (Skull Damaru) made from two skulls and with human skin. A drumstick is fashioned out of human legbone, usually a young serf girl.
Tibet was part of China since 800 years ago when Mongolians conquered it and made it part of Yuan Dynasty China. Even Marco Polo acknowledged it in his book "Travels of Marco Polo" in which he wrote: "Tibet is a big land where people have their own language and idolatry. But all of their affairs are placed under the management of the Yuan Emperor,"
Marco Polo, first Westerner to say that Tibet is part of China
ecns.cn/2017/06-22/262446.shtml
Also from the source: In 1904, a British army journalist, Edmund Candler, gave the true nature of Tibetan society -- like the serfs during the middle ages of Europe and descibed Tibet as having "witnessed more murders and instigations to crime than the most blood-stained castle in medieval Europe." He said the monks are the overlords, the peasantry their serfs
So I don't understand how you arrive at the conclusion that for the past 1000 years, Tibet was much more peaceful than China. Even Westerns have described the serfdom faced by Tibetans as quoted from the above source. You feel sorry for our education and in the same way Chinese people feel sorry for your education.
You have the ability to choose your leaders, but Americans choose someone like Trump to leader the country, when he has zero political experience? And you are British, so your people choose to leave the European Union, based on a rather informal referendum? Every governing system have its own flaws, but if China's government can lead China to become world's 2nd largest economy, then I don't see why our system is inferior to Western democracy.
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+L C You mean you visit Tibet and China for short duration and suddenly, you know everything about "serfdom" in Tibet? There are various sources detailing serfdom in Tibet, including Western sources, and all of them agreed that some form of serfdom exists in Tibet. You Westerns still tend stubbornly cling on romanticized notions of Tibet as Paradise on Earth due to growing up under propaganda.
You said: "One of the characteristics of slavery is being captive which did not happen in Tibet" and I think you must have confused "slavery" with "prisoners". Tibetan serfs were still being forced to work the fields to grow food to support Tibetan population, and being surrounded by mountains, there was literally nowhere else to escape. Who else is going to feed Tibetans themselves? The monks? Even in 2001, the Dalai Lama said: "Tibet, materially, is very, very backward. Spiritually it is quite rich. But spirituality can't fill our stomachs." People send their sons to the monastery, because they want better life for their children, instead of a harsh life out in the fields.
Some Tibetans were nomadic, because the poor mountain soil meant rearing livestock like yaks were more feasible than growing crops. But they are still serfs having to rear animals to feed the population. Drepung monastery, on the outskirts of Lhasa, was one of the world's largest landowners with 185 manors, 25,000 serfs, 300 pastures, and 16,000 herdsmen. High-ranking lamas and secular landowners imposed crippling taxes, forced boys into monastic slavery and pilfered most of the country's wealth – torturing disobedient serfs by gouging out their eyes or severing their hamstrings.
Source: theguardian.com/commentisfree/2009/feb/10/tibet-china-feudalism
How am I very wrong about Damaru? In ancient time, it was made from human crania or entirely out of human skulls, but today it usually made from wood or animal leather at both ends, according to following source. So its only recent times that it was made from other materials besides human skulls. In the past, Tibetans have "strong beliefs" so you think Tibetans would prefer to use Damaru made of normal materials instead of human skulls?
Tibet Damaru
exploretibet.com/blog/tibet-damaru/
Skinning of slaves applied to people of all ages, including women, children and toddlers. Also, since when does the sky burial ritual consists of skinning the cadaver at all? According to Wikipedia, there is no mention of skinning the cadaver before commencing the sky burial, so why are you claiming that its part of the ceremony for feeding the body to birds of prey? Tibetans believed in returning the entire body to the earth, including the skin, so what nonsense are you cooking up to explain Tibetan skinning?
Wikipedia Sky Burial
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sky_burial
Yuan Dynasty is a Chinese dynasty ruled by Mongolian leaders. It was Kublai Khan that choose to abandon his own culture and embrace Chinese culture instead, proclaiming himself emperor of Yuan Dynasty China. Mongolians were nomadic horsemen who don't grow their own food, so in the end, it was Chinese farmers who grew food to feed the empire. Mongolians don't know anything about how to run an empire, so Chinese bureaucrats were left to keep such a large empire running. So in what way is Yuan dynasty China not a Chinese Dynasty?
Even after Yuan dynasty collapse, Ming emperors controlled Tibetan affairs from China. The title of Dalai Lama was actually bestowed onto Tibetan leaders by Ming emperors, the Prince of Shunyi, as a symbol of granting him the right to rule Tibet in his stead. Even if you discount Ming, Tibet was also part of Qing dynasty China isn't it?
Who are you to come to China as exchange student only find our education system disappointing? China ranks 3rd in most popular international education destination and Ministry of Education reported a total of 442,773 international students were studying in China in 2016, so who are you to mock our system? As for ethnic minorities performance, you do know that China's population is 95% Han Chinese, so what are the odds of having top performing ethnic minority? Its just not realistic to expect ethnic minorities to consistently perform well in universities, given such a ethnic demographic.
Ethnic minorities like Tibetans also enjoy special benefits like free education until university that Han Chinese do not get to enjoy. Tibetans and other ethnic minorities are also get tax exemptions, healthcare benefits, and educational bursaries. For example, if Han Chinese need 500 points to qualify for a university course, Tibetans and ethnic minorities only need 300 points (easier) to qualify for the same course. So in what way are ethnic minorities in China treated unfairly? Of course, majority of China is still Han Chinese, but what do you expect the government to do about Han Chinese majority?
You despise Chinese education system, when our system has consistently produced students with among world's highest average IQ at 105? Who are you to look down on our system, when it has performed remarkably well in global rankings? Chinese education system has long history and Chinese scholars have been studying for examinations since thousands of years ago, when Chinese invented imperial examination system. In fact, this merit system was spread from China to British India during the 17th century, and then into continental Europe, so who are you to mock Chinese education system when it is thanks to China that world education has improved?
Merit System: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Merit_system
So you come to China for few years, then suddenly you become expert in China's 5000 year history and know everything there is to know about China? Who do you think you are? You are just foreign exchange student in our country for few years. Even Chinese scholars and historians are making new discoveries and uncovering mysteries about our past, even in this day and age, so what makes you know more about China than what Chinese people know?
When did I ever labelled "other cultures as backward and inferior"? Can you quote me the exact words I said?
China doesn't allow UN people to visit Tibet, because 14th Dalai Lama was a traitor who conspired with CIA in separatist activities against the government. In 1951, the 14th Dalai Lama signed the signed Seventeen Point Agreement, acknowledging China's sovereignty over Tibet. Eight years later, he broke the agreement led uprising in 1959 against the government with the help of CIA. Normally, Tibetan spiritual leaders are supposed to be removed from worldly affairs, but by involving himself in politics, the 14th DL is no longer fit to be leader of Tibet. You think a true spiritual leader will use his religious influence to train Tibetan guerrillas to fight against the government? That is exactly how terrorists hijack Islam by acting as pseudo priests to convince their followers to die for their political cause.
14th DL is to China, what Wikileaks whistle-blower Edward Snowden is to America. Snowden now seeks refuge in Russia, so you think USA will allow Snowden back into America after what he's done? In the same way, China will not let 14th DL back into China without making him pay for his crimes. CIA knows this and is secretly sponsoring DL to preach in various different places, while his followers (exiled Tibetans) suffer. Exiled Tibetans are already so poor, so where does 14th DL get the money to even engage in talks and campaigns? Answer: CIA
I don't think you actually learnt anything on your trip to China. You tell me to travel to other countries and broaden my horizons, but you yourself travel to China and left with the same Western mindset impressed upon you when you were born. You never tried to understand issues from China's point of view at all, and constantly mock our government and education as inferior. Exactly how are you being humble, when you obviously think you know everything about China and Tibet simply because you been here and talked to some "professors"?
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+L C You mentioned you were "extremely disappointed" with China's education system. In the same way you described, Chinese students can always visit your country and feel disappointed with the lack of mathematical and sciences skills of your students now, can't they? Why you blame China's education system because it is weaker in some aspects and stronger in others? I don't blame your country for not producing globally recognized levels of science and mathematics isn't it?
As far as I know, China is the top international school in Asia, beating even Japan and Korea so I don't think those countries have an issue with our education system. If you look world map of national IQ scores, China, South Korea and Japan share almost equally high IQ levels, so isn't that indication that such people do not harbor such criticisms towards Chinese education system?
World Map of National IQ Scores
targetmap.com/ThumbnailsReports/16799_THUMB_IPAD.jpg
Obviously, you went to China, but returned without any meaningful insight into China, since you still harbor the same impression of China that Western media has probably imprinted onto you since birth. Would you like to tell me exactly how has your visit to China affected your view of China? Because you are unchanged in your views regarding our educations system, our government, Tibet and so on, so exactly how did the trip affect you at all?
Education is not copying, but why is copying not a form of education? You think Chinese people learned nothing by studying other countries? Every country copies technology from one another at some point in history and eventually improve on the original designs. For example, US tank technology is advanced today, because it absorbed the WW2 Nazi technology. The US space program made use of Nazi V2 Rocket scientists to develop rockets capable of reaching the Moon. Would USA be as successful as it is today without copying?
So it is true that Damaru drums are made from human skulls, so why did you say "You're also very wrong about the Damaru stuff."? Which part of my statement is wrong?
Really, 90-95% of Chinese people is Han Chinese. Are you really sure you've been to China at all?
When did I ever labelled "other cultures as backward and inferior"? Can you quote me the exact words I said?
I have wrong views? How do you know you aren't the one having wrong views? You have been consistently wrong on a number of things already.
Mao's policies may have been disastrous in his later life, but Mao Zedong had managed to unify whole China, where the previous administration KMT failed to do so. China was once democratic when Sun Yatsen overthrew Qing dynasty in 1911 and established Republic of China. But ROC failed to unify China and China was plagued by various warlords fighting for control as well as invasion by Japanese. Next China tried communism and it managed to unify all of China, where ROC failed to do so. But while Mao was brilliant tactician, he was poor governor and his disastrous policies affected China adversely, so Deng Xiaoping stepped in and introduce capitalism, which brought much progress to China till today.
As you can see, it was not easy to come by to China's current arrangement. The CPC has long acknowledged the mistakes of Mao's policies and even Mao himself made self-criticism and stepped down from being state Chairman, which allowed Deng to introduce his economic reforms. I have never said Chinese government is perfect, but the fact that it learns from past mistakes is what enables it to adapt to changing circumstances.
Great Leap Forward
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Leap_Forward#Impact_on_the_government
The government and people of China have long since moved from the failed policies of Red China, but that does not mean we have forgotten the lessons. The Great Leap Forward and Cultural Revolution are taught in Chinese textbooks today so that the mistakes won't be repeated again in future. Remember that people back then did not know that those policies would turned out to be so harmful for China. Hindsight is 50-50 isn't it?
It is unlikely that the people of Tibet will be granted freedom. If the people of Scotland want freedom then you are free to follow your own system, but will it be beneficial for United Kingdom if it breaks apart? A unified country is strong, while a divided country is weak. That's why China fight so hard to hold on to Hong Kong and Taiwan. America is strong because it consist of united states. Soviet Union was strong for same reason, and after USSR dissolution, Russia is not as powerful. EU was strong because it was unified, and now EU weakened because of Britain's exit. Scotland also probably wants to leave UK, so what good will come out of this separation? If your country had the means to prevent such separation, why not make use of it to ensure your country's continued survival?
As for people leaving China, China has world's largest population, and therefore there is competition for resources. With such high student population, competition for tops schools and higher education is fierce and intense, and some students are forced to seek education outside of China. To China, the rest of the world is severely underpopulated, so the government sees nothing wrong with people leaving the country as the country's resources are already taxed to the limit.
As for rich Chinese buying up properties in other countries, there could be a number of reasons. Most people leave China because of the pollution or they want to invest their money in something substantial outside of China. Also, quite a few CPC officials are corrupt and could be trying escape the government and hiding the money by buying up properties in other countries. But the government is also trying to catch overseas corruption according to following article.
China’s Overseas Anti-Corruption Efforts Nets 288 Suspects
thediplomat.com/2014/11/chinas-overseas-anti-corruption-efforts-nets-288-suspects/
It is apparent that you are still colored by Western perceptions of China and that your visit to China has not really changed your opinion of China much. After all, your perception of China appears to be stuck in Red China, when many Chinese people have long since moved on from that period. Our government is not perfect, and made many mistakes in the past. But many Chinese today believe that it has redeemed itself by lifting 600 million people out of poverty today. According to World Bank, China's poverty fell from 88% in 1981 to 6.5% in 2012.
Poverty in China
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poverty_in_China
Since you are foreigner, it is unrealistic to expect you to view China through lens of Chinese person, since you never grew up during those hard times. To you, modernization was easy process, but for China it was tumultuous and difficult period and it not easy to get to where we are today.
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+Debtanu Chakraborty What makes you think Tibet would have modernized without the help of CPC? Tibet is located in the Himalayas and was isolated from rest of the world throughout history. Tibet's mountainous soil was infertile and unsuitable for agriculture, so it will have hard time feeding its population. Even in 1950s, Tibet had no schools (besides Buddhist Monasteries), no hospitals, no roads, no electricity and plumbing. Even the Dalai Lama has admitted that "Tibet, materially, is very, very backward. Spiritually it is quite rich. But spirituality can't fill our stomachs." So what makes you think Tibet would have modernized itself under Dalai Lama's rule?
Source: theguardian.com/commentisfree/2009/feb/10/tibet-china-feudalism
I have said that Damaru drums were made of human skulls and skin so exactly what am I saying wrongly here? Why do you people say I am completely wrong in this regard?
What do you know about how Chinese government treats Tibetans at all? Why don't you look at Indian Army atrocities committed on people of Kashmir before you talk about China? Many Muslim women have become victims of rape and sexual assault in the conflict and the frequent rape of Kashmiri Muslim women by Indian state security forces routinely goes unpunished.
-A study in 2008 by Médecins Sans Frontières concluded that Kashmiri women are among the worst sufferers of sexual violence in the world
Many cases not reported because of the shame and stigma associated with rape in Kashmir. Indian Army officers, of the rank of major or above, have participated in torture as well as sexual violence and the Indian government was covering up such acts.
Rape during the Kashmir conflict
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_during_the_Kashmir_conflict
In contrast, Tibetans today live better life with modern technology than what is happening in Kashmir even till today.
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+Debtanu Chakraborty The reason some Chinese may have treated Indians like that is because people like you lack logic. You want to compare Tibet to Singapore? Singapore is one of world's most busiest ports, because of its strategic location, whereas Tibet is isolated and landlocked. You think Tibetans could afford to build infrastructure? Qinghai railway is world's highest elevation railway built by Chinese on difficult mountainous terrain, through regions of permafrost and low oxygen level regions, so much that every carriages has oxygen supply for EACH passenger and every train has a trained doctor. You think Tibetans could afford that without China?
Tibet population is small because of insufficient food to feed everyone and you mean being "gender neutral" is enough to qualify for self-modernization? Who would accept that simply treating genders equally, means the country will modernize automatically? There are so many factors to determine modernization, yet you quote gender equality as one of your points? Also, unlike India, full ordination of women as nuns never occurred within Tibet, and all Tibetan education was conducted by the Tibetan monasteries, meaning Tibetan women were virtually illiterate throughout their lives.
Rising India and China only modernizes Tibet, because of Tibet is part of China, and is rising with China as well. For example, Nepal also located between India and China, but lacks the proper infrastructure developed in Tibet by Chinese. Nepal also lacks proper healthcare whereas Tibet has hospitals. Internet access is also not widely spread, so in what way has Nepal truly modernized itself with respect to Tibet here?
You think religion and spiritually alone can support Tibet? In 2001 the Dalai Lama himself already said Tibet, while rich in spiritually, is very, very backward materially and that spirituality can't fill stomachs, so how is it religion alone able to feed the Tibetan population.
winter han is right in the sense of how hard it is to talk with someone with completely different view of the world. Even this L C guy lived in China as exchange student and studied here, but he still retains Western perception of China and left without learning anything and changing his mindset. Yet people like him encourages others to travel and "open" their minds? Such hypocrisy.
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+Debtanu Chakraborty You lied about Singapore not having busy port since it was built. Singapore always been gateway between East and West because of its strategic location, which was why British colonial powers colonized it in the first place. You think the British didn't see the value of Singapore as port to trade with the east? Singapore became one of Britain's prized colonial possessions, and after it gained independence, Singapore government began developing its port facilities further to take advantage of its location.
Tibet, however, is landlocked and so far, India, Bangladesh, Pakistan, etc are not as concerned over Tibetan control of water as they should be. If it were really that important, then why don't those countries attempt wrest control of Tibet from China? There hasn't been much dispute over water issues, and frankly, our countries are more interested in border disputes than caring about water sources, so why do you still believe that these countries will sudden be interested in "investing in Tibet for water management of the entire continent?" Up till now, none of those countries have expressed any interest whatsoever, except China.
Modernization of Tibet involves more than just building Qinghai railway alone. Chinese workers have also built hospitals and schools and universities to provide better healthcare and access to education for Tibetans. Through the railway, modern technology such as farming equipment, cars, electronics such as smartphones, computers and appliances were introduced to Tibet. You think every Tibetan wants to grow up to be poor yak farmer or Tibetan monk? Young Tibetans want to education to find paying job, buy luxuries such as cars and other electronic devices, get married and settle down, so what right do you have to decide that Tibetan's should be isolated from rest of the world, and remain poor forever? You aren't even living in Tibet, so what do you know how Tibetans feel about the government?
It was the Dalai Lama who quoted: "Spirituality doesn't feed stomachs." so why are you blaming me all of sudden? If you really thing the Dalai Lama's own words are BS, then you should tell it to him directly. I don't abuse vulgarities against you so why are you being so disrespectful?
What war dragon image are you talking about? China has not been involved in any war since our last major war in 1979 and has been peaceful for 30 years, so what are you talking about? Tibet was part of China during Qing Dynasty up to in 1912 and China only reclaimed it back in 1951. Contrary to what you said, China is not only America's biggest trading partner, but most of the world as well, including India, does business with China, so what suspicion are you referring to here?
So just because you don't like modernization, means you deny Tibetans the right to education, to healthcare, and to other modern amenities like Internet? Who do you think you are? Like I said above, Tibetans deserve access to modern technology, instead of living in stone ages, without water, electricity and gas. As for gender equality, have you ever noticed that all Tibetans monks were men? Nuns in Tibetan Buddhism wasn't widely accepted, only until recently and like I said, Tibetan monasteries controlled all of Tibetan's education. In my previous sources, I highlighted the sexual abuse of young Tibetan monks so what makes you think Tibet had any true sense of gender neutrality?
You speak of self-immolation in Tibet, but at most only 100 or so Tibetans have protested by self-immolation, but does that mean that all 3 million Tibetans want independence? Why should 3,000,000 Tibetans give in to the demands of 100 or so self-immolating protestors? In India, as many as 1,451 and 1,584 self-immolations have been reported in 2000 and 2001, respectively. That's already much more serious than in Tibet, so why don't Indian government do something about it? You speak of gender neutrality, when in India there are forced marriages, unaffordable dowries, and bridal abuse by burning/acid scarring and various sexual abuses? Who are you to talk of rape when Indian Army soldiers have been raping Muslim women in Kashmir even till today? Why don't you Indians fix India's own problems first* before complaining about China's treatment of Tibet?
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+Debtanu Chakraborty Who is the one somehow believe that landlocked Tibet could be as prosperous as the port of Singapore due to location alone. Look at other Himalayan countries like Bhutan and do you consider them prosperous? Bhutan didn't even have television until 2001s and even till today, relies heavily on India for trade, so what makes you think Tibet would be more successful than Bhutan? Look at Nepal, located between India and China, but still not as prosperous as Singapore. Your logic doesn't even make sense yet, you somehow believe Tibet can magically modernize by itself?
You said "China could modernize itself without the help of the West." so why can't every other country also modernize without the help of the West? Look at India, it has world's 2nd largest population, therefore a large workforce like China. Indians speak English, while Chinese are still struggling with English. Indians also have democratic system whereas China is communist. Republic of India became independent in 1947, two years before People's Republic of China was founded in 1949. Yet China overtook India. So why do you still think that any country in the world is able to modernize by itself?
Why are you so obsessed with femininity and rape? Who said anything about expressing femininity equals rape? Besides Indian Army raping the Muslims in Kashmir, Indian Peacekeeping Force sent to Sri Lanka to fight the Tamil Tigers, went to rape the local Tamil women instead. Indian forces participated in number of incidents of human rights violation, including rape, torture, detention and massacres, like Valvettiturai massacre. IPKF even entered Jaffna teaching hospital over 70 civilians were massacred.
(en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_Peace_Keeping_Force#Controversies )
First off, the numbers are 3,000,000 to 100, so why do you take the actions of 100 Tibetans self immolating to represent the whole of 3 million Tibetans views? What about the 1,451 and 1,584 self-immolations in India? Isn't that a much more urgent matter to address than the actions of 100 Tibetans self-immolations? Why don't you Indians fix your own problems of rape in Indian Army, forced marriages, self-immolatinos etc before you start talking about how China handles Tibet?
The Dalai Lama said that verse and I am merely quoting him, so why are you calling it BS and labeling me a troll, because I quoted him? Who is the troll here who still thinks Tibetans want freedom when it is clear that they don't, You don't see 3,000,000 Tibetans protesting against the government, now don't you? Countries all over the world have recognized Chinese sovereignty over Tibet, and when you draw map of PRC, Tibet is always included as part of China. Even the uploader's video shows this at 0:10.
As for Kashmir, most of the world accepts it part of Pakistan. Even uploader's video at 2:43 shows Indian map without Kashmir as part of India, so why are you complaining? India has had almost 70 years to reclaim that territory from Pakistan, but didn't achieve it, so whose fault is it here?
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