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@87aggietim Its not as though USA did not benefit from China. Chinese workers worked hard to make products like smartphones, computers, electronics, appliances, toys, clothing, sneakers, etc cheap, so that inflation in the U.S is kept to a minimum and the cost of living is lower than it should be. Think of the billions of dollars Americans have saved on living expenses over the years, thanks to affordable Chinese goods. Money saved that can then be spent on other pursuits like cars, housing, luxury brands, or essentials like school fees, tuition fees, doctors fees and hospital bills.
Americans have benefited from trade with China, just China did with USA.
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Chinese workers help manufacture cheap products like smartphones, computers, electronics, appliances, toys, clothing, sneakers, etc to help keep inflation to a minimum and keep the cost of living in America lower than it should be. Think of the millions of dollars Americans have saved on living expense over the years thanks to Chinese goods. Money saved that can then be spent on things like cars, housing, getting married, college fees, etc.
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What makes you think Chinese people lack worldly knowledge? Chinese people are free to travel overseas for work, study or play. I mean, haven't you heard of Chinese tourists visiting your lands and spending money on your economies? Your Western schools and universities are positively flooded with Chinese international students, studying the same topics as their peers. Chinese companies like Huawei, Xiaomi, Lenovo, ZTE, Oppo, are expanding overseas, and Chinese investors are buying up real estate in your lands.
So what makes you think Chinese people lack freedoms? Chinese people can be found virtually all over the globe today, since we make up 20% of the world's population after all.
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China has 5000 years of history and is among the world's oldest 'continuous' civilization still alive today, whereas other great ancient civilizations like Mesopotamia, Rome and Egypt have long since faded to history. Ancient Chinese had military inventions like the crossbow (and repeating crossbow) and besides gunpowder, Chinese also invented handcannons, handgrenades, fragmentation bombs, landmines, naval mines, exploding cannonballs, rocket launchers, multi-launch rocket systems and of course, fireworks.
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China 100% responsible? The government has made it clear that China does not control North Korea, and there are no Chinese military bases in N. Korea, whereas America has military bases in South Korea. North Korea doesn't threaten Chinese cities, only US military bases in South Korea, Okinawa Japan and Guam, so why should China get involved with this conflict between N. Korea, S. Korea and USA? This matter if for NK, SK and USA to work out among themselves, not China.
It is clear that sanctions do not work on North Korea. Why continue impose sanctions, knowing that it wouldn't work? If USA withdrew its troops and military hardware from East Asia it would do more to ease tensions along Korean peninsula, than any sanctions China could ever impose on N. Korea, as shown in previous years. If same method doesn't work, why not try a different approach instead?
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Actually, many countries have threaten impose trade sanctions on Chinese goods, or to even boycott Chinese goods altogether. But in the end, demand for Chinese goods remains high and the threats aren't carried out. Chinese workers make products like smartphones, computers, appliances, clothing, sneakers and etc, cheap, so that the cost of living in other countries kept low and reasonable. Think of the millions of dollars people saved over the years, thanks to access to affordable Chinese goods.
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How is China dangerous? China today is currently at peace and not at war with any country, since our last major war in 1979. Instead of making war, China is investing in developing countries like Sri Lanka, Nepal, Bangladesh, Pakistan, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, and also African countries like Nigeria, Kenya, Chad, Sudan, Ghana, Mozambique, Tanzania, Zimbabwe, etc.
Whereas the United States is warmonger, being involved in Gulf War, Iraq War, Afghan War, Libyan War, Syrian War, etc, even in the 21st century. The USA is enacting regime change by cutting off those country's heads (Saddam Hussein, Muammar Ghaddafi, etc) and then installing their own US puppet governments in place. Now, the countries at risk are Assad Regime of Syria and Maduro of Venezuela. Even the supreme leader of Iran is possible target for the USA to enact regime change.
Therefore, isn't United States the more dangerous power here?
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@stevew6910 said "We was a big reason for China becoming a member of the world trade organization,"
Please don't act as though USA "invited" China to WTO. When WTO was founded in 1995, China aimed to be included as a WTO founding member (which would validate our country as a world economic power) but this attempt was thwarted because the United States, European countries, and Japan requested that China first reform various tariff policies, including tariff reductions, open markets and industrial policies. The United States imposed additional conditions on China and when China joined the WTO, it agreed to considerably harsher conditions than other developing countries.
So Westerners didn't help China to join WTO, we wanted to be a member back in 1995, but this attempt was thwarted by US and its allies, so in the end, China had a late entry to WTO in 2001 instead.
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Aggressive China? China today is currently at peace and not at war with any country, since our last major conflict in 1979. Instead of making war, China is investing in developing countries like Sri Lanka, Nepal, Bangladesh, Pakistan, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Tajikistan, and also African countries like Nigeria, Kenya, Chad, Sudan, Ghana, Mozambique, Tanzania, etc.
Whereas the United States is warmonger being involved in Gulf War, Iraq War, Afghan War, Libyan War, Syrian War, Yemen War, etc, even in the 21st century. USA is bombing in those Middle Eastern countries and enacting regime change by cutting off their "heads" (Saddam Hussein, Muammar Gaddafi, etc) and then installing their own US puppet governments in place.
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@87aggietim If the US wants fair trade then why is USA slapping sanctions on Iran, sanctions on Russia, sanctions on North Korea, sanctions on Venezuela, and virtually every country that opposes it. The US also slap tariffs on China too which is hurting American companies and farmers who bear the brunt of the US-China trade war. China always advocate that there are no winners in a trade war, only losers.
And who says China don't help USA? China buys about 1.2 trillion dollars ($1,200,000,000,000) worth of U.S debt to help Americans tide over the 2008 financial crisis, so how exactly is USA propping up China?
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China is currently at peace, and not at war with any country, since our last major war in 1979. But USA is involved in Gulf War, Iraq War, Afghan War, Libyan War, even in 21st century. China is helping build infrastructure less developed countries like Pakistan, Nepal, Bangladesh, Sri Lanka, Maldives, and African countries like Kenya, Nigeria, Angola, etc.
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Chinese workers worked hard to make products like smartphones, computers, electronics, appliances, toys, clothing, sneakers, etc cheap, so that inflation in the U.S is kept to a minimum and the cost of living is lower than it should be. Think of the billions of dollars Americans have saved on living expenses over the years, thanks to affordable Chinese goods. Money saved that can then be spent on other pursuits like cars, housing, luxury brands, or essentials like school fees, tuition fees, doctors fees and hospital bills.
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Chinese workers manufacture products like smartphones, computers, electronics, appliances, sneakers, clothing, etc, cheaply so that inflation in America is kept to a minimum and the cost of living is lower than it should be. Think of the millions of dollars Americans have saved on living expenses over the years, thanks to affordable Chinese goods. Money saved that can then be spent on finer things like cars, housing, getting married, or on things like school fees, college tuition, hospital bills, etc.
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+Alex Lee Why should WTO be based on whether a country is democratic or not? WTO should be available for all countries to join, regardless of whichever form of government they choose, so why is China not allowed to join WTO when it was first founded? Instead, China had to agree to unfair and harsher conditions imposed on China by USA and its allies?
Even now, China is supposed to be treated as a market economy, as per our agreement in joining WTO, but the USA is not acknowledging China as market economy. Look at the USA imposing tariffs on steel and aluminum on China, look at USA imposing sanctions on North Korea nuclear test, look at USA imposing sanctions on Russia for its annexation of Crimea, look at USA imposing sanctions on Iran Nuclear Deal.
Did you know that the USA is actually the world's most "protectionist" country in the world? Who is the one constantly throwing out sanctions and disregarding the WTO rules? There have been over 100+ complaints lodged against the USA because of its protectionist measures, and even countries like Canada, Australia and India are lodging fresh complaints about US tariffs on steel and aluminum.
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+Alex Lee That was not what China agreed upon. One of the verse was that China would be granted market economy status after 15 years from which China joined the WTO, which was in 2001. Its already 2018, yet why isn't USA treating China like a market economy?
Here is the actual verse from Article 15 of China’s WTO accession agreement:
Once China has established, under the national law of the importing WTO Member, that it is a market economy, the provisions of subparagraph (a) shall be terminated provided that the importing Member’s national law contains market economy criteria as of the date of accession. In any event, the provisions of subparagraph (a)(ii) shall expire 15 years after the date of accession.
China has not been ungrateful to USA. China even help buy off about $1.2 trillion dollars (as of January 2018) of US debt, in order to help USA tide over the 2008 financial crisis, so you think USA would be able to recover if not for Chinese buying off their debt?
And the USA IS the most protectionist country in the world. According to the following source, since 2008, USA has implemented 800 of such "protectionist" measures, as compared to China's 200-300 of such measures. Even European countries like France, Germany, UK, etc have over 300 of such policies.
Source:Protectionist measures taken 2008–2013 according to Global Trade Alert wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Protectionist_measures_taken_2008–2013_according_to_Global_Trade_Alert.png
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+Donald Kasper
Education in China
China has become a top destination for international students. As of 2013, China is the most popular country in Asia (surpassing even Japan and South Korea) for international students, and ranks 3rd overall among countries. As of 2018, the country has the world's 2nd highest number of top universities.
Innovation in China
According to Global Innovation Index, China was ranked 25th in 2016, 22nd in 2017, and 17th in 2018. Following this trend of improvement, China could become among the top 10 most innovative countries by 2020
Science and Research in China
China has overtaken the U.S. in terms of the number of scientific papers published, according to the Science and Engineering Indicators report issued by the U.S. National Science Foundation, producting 426,165 peer-reviewed science and engineering articles in 2016, as compared to the USA's 408,985 papers.
China is also home to the world's fastest supercomputer, Sunway TaihuLight 神威·太湖之光 as well as the world's 2nd fastest supercomputer, Tianhe-2. In a recent Top500 supercomputer survey, China beat the USA, with 202 out of 500 of the world's fastest supercomputers, compared to USA's 144 out of 500. Supercomputers help scientists and researchers to compute solutions to complex equations and are invaluable to research.
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@johnblasiak607 China today is currently at peace and not at war with any country, since our last major conflict in 1979. Instead of making war, China is investing in developing countries like Sri Lanka, Nepal, Bangladesh, Pakistan, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Tajikistan, and also African countries like Nigeria, Kenya, Chad, Sudan, Ghana, Mozambique, Tanzania, etc.
Whereas the United States is warmonger being involved in Gulf War, Iraq War, Afghan War, Libyan War, Syrian War, Yemen War, etc, even in the 21st century. USA is bombing in those Middle Eastern countries and enacting regime change by cutting off their "heads" (Saddam Hussein, Muammar Gaddafi, etc) and then installing their own US puppet governments in place.
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Americans are patriotic and proud of their country. Likewise, why can't Chinese be nationalistic and proud of our own country as well? Nationalism is what binds a country together, and even USA has patriotic slogans like "America first!", "Make America Great Again!" and "God Bless the United States of America!". If I were American, my chest would probably swell with pride upon hearing those slogans.
But I'm not American, and China has made great progress to turn from 3rd world, dirt-poor, war-torn, starving country, into a 1st world, economic power, protected by world's largest land army (People's Liberation Army) and able to influence global politics. Why can't Chinese be proud of our achievements? Its not easy to transform a poor country into an economic power, yet instead of being recognized for our achievements, the West constantly mocks China because our political system is different from theirs?
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@87aggietim said: "Look at Taiwan they have a great economy."
Taiwan had been under authoritarian single-party Kuomintang rule for more than half its life! For decades, the KMT ruled Taiwan with iron fist, and KMT leader Chiang kai-Shek was dictator who jailed and executed his dissidents and political rivals (whether real or perceived) in a period known as White Terror (白色恐怖) and Chiang impose martial law on Taiwan for more than 38 years, which was qualified as "the longest imposition of martial law by a regime anywhere in the world" at that time.
But under authoritarian single-party KMT rule, Taiwan flourished and rapidly modernized, resulting in Taiwan Miracle (台湾奇迹) Between 1952 and 1982, Taiwan economic growth was on average 8.7%, and between 1983 and 1986 at 6.9%. Taiwan GDP grew by 360% between 1965 and 1986 and the percentage of global exports was over 2% in 1986, over other recently industrialized countries, and the global industrial production output grew a further 680% between 1965 and 1986. And it was all achieved under authoritarian single-party KMT rule.
Only when democracy was introduced to Taiwan (because USA threatened to cut off weapons sales to Taiwan if KMT did not introduce political reforms) did Taiwan's economic growth became more modest in 1990s. Today Taiwan's economy is in a slump, wages are stagnant, cost of living is high, and Taiwan graduates are seeking job opportunities abroad, such as in mainland China or in Singapore.
So what makes you think you can't have economic growth cannot under authoritarian rule? KMT authoritarian rule worked for Taiwan, then if it's not broken, why fix it?
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j a Can you prove that the 6.4% figure isn't real then? And while $5 saved each time seems little, Americans have been saving billions of $5 dollars over the decades already thanks to affordable Chinese goods. Also, in your example, American companies find cheaper alternatives, but there are currently no other countries with the business infrastructure to manufacture goods with good price over quality, as China.
Additionally, if the trade war keeps up, China could possibly retaliate with tariffs of our own too. For example, China makes up 70-80% of the world's rare earth materials production, which are a vital component across various technologies like microchips, LCD and plasma screens, fiber optics, lasers, batteries, solar panels, high-performance magnets, alloys, petroleum refining, diesel additives, and so on.
China could possibly retaliate against U.S tariffs by restricting its rare earth materials supply.
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j a Vietnam, Malaysia, and India are all located across the Pacific Ocean from America, so these countries will need infrastructure like ports capable of transporting huge volume of goods to America. China is home to many of the world's busiest ports, like Shanghai, Shenzhen, Guangzhou, Ningbo-Zhousan, Qingdao, Tianjin, Dalian, Xiamen, and even Hong Kong, because a lot of Chinese goods get shipped out to America and elsewhere.
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Wikipedia: List of busiest container ports
Wikipedia: List of busiest ports by cargo tonnage
How can Vietnam, Malaysia, and India even hope to replace China as America's chief exporter of goods? They lack the extensive business infrastructure that China has developed over the years.
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But can you do it at competitive pricing as are Made in China goods? Chinese workers work hard to make smartphones, computers, electronics, appliances toys, clothing, sneakers, etc, cheap so that inflation in America is kept to minimum and the cost of living in America is lower than it should be.
Think of the millions of dollars Americans have saved on living expenses over the years, thanks to affordable Chinese goods. Money saved that can then be spent on other pursuits like cars, housing, luxury brands, or essentials like school fees, doctor's fees, tuition fees, rent, etc.
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@Saint696Anger Besides automation and AI, China is also home to two of world's fastest supercomputers, the Sunway Taihulight 神威·太湖之光 and Tianhe-2 天河-2 and in the 2017 Top500 supercomputer survey, China beat USA with 202 out of 500 of the world's fastest supercomputers, compared to USA's 144 out of 500.
Source: China's supercomputers race past US to world dominance cnet.com/news/china-surpasses-us-in-supercomputer-usage-on-top-500-list/
Supercomputers play an important role in research and are used in various fields, including quantum mechanics, weather forecasting, climate research, oil and gas exploration, molecular modeling (computing the structures and properties of chemical compounds, biological macromolecules, polymers, and crystals), and physical simulations (such as simulations of the early moments of the universe, airplane and spacecraft aerodynamics, the detonation of nuclear weapons, and nuclear fusion).
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Countries with the highest Game of Thrones piracy activity in 2017, according to MUSO (anti-piracy company):
1. United States of America: 15,075,951
2. United Kingdom: 6,252,903
3. Germany: 4,897,280
4. India: 4,335,331
5. Indonesia: 4,286,927
6. Philippines: 4,189,030
7. Canada: 3,182,851
8. France: 2,881,467
9. Turkey: 2,802,458
10. Vietnam: 2,436,149
11. Australia: 2,241,463
12. Russian Federation: 2,196,799
13. Netherlands: 1,881,718
14. Brazil: 1,796,759
15. Malaysia: 1,737,005
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Chinese government has put forth many 5-year plans, 10-year plans, 20-year plans, 30-year plans, etc to map out China's direction and future in 2020, 2030, 2040, 2050, etc, and to set specific goals for China to achieve. Some of these goals include (but are not limited to):
-By 2020, China plans to eliminate poverty completely and establish moderately prosperous society.
-By 2025, China plans to transform our manufacturing industry to incorporate high-end technology.
-By 2030, China plans to be world leader in Artificial Intelligence
-By 2035, China plans to be key innovative, scientific power and establish moderately socialist society.
-By 2040, China plans to ban all fossil fuel powerplants and all non-electric vehicles for greener future.
-By 2045, China plans to be world leading space nation, having established a space elevator.
-By 2050, China plans to have surpassed the USA as global superpower, economically and militarily.
Xi outlines his vision to achieve ‘China Dream’ by 2050
http://www.atimes.com/article/xi-outlines-vision-achieve-china-dream-2050/
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+Tony Iacomi I clearly never said "China is the oldest civilization", I said "China is among the world's oldest 'continuous' civilization still alive today". Egypt may be older, but it is certainly not 'continuous' like Chinese civilization. For example, do Egyptians still speak Ancient Egyptian and write Egyptian Hieroglyphics today?
Chinese culture today is still very much the culture as it was in the past. Chinese people still celebrate the Chinese New Year (like our ancestors did before) and Confucian values are still taught in China (as well as in Confucian institutes all over the world). Of course, not everything is the same after 5000 years of history, but Chinese culture is still distinct enough that the civilization is considered 'continuous'. I mean, even some Western scholars agree that China is among the oldest 'continuous' civilization.
For example, Chinese values like honoring our ancestors still persist today. We have altars dedicated to our ancestors and during Qingming Festival 清明节 also known as "Tomb-Sweeping Day", we visit our ancestors graves to tidy up their surroundings and pay our respects to them. Also, did you know that the Chinese New Year migration, where Chinese people travel back to our home province to be with our families, is considered the world's largest annual human migration (even larger than the Christmas migration) ?
About China's 5000 years of history, did you know that the Shang Dynasty (1600 BC) was once considered mythical until around 1950s where the Oracle Bone Script (Chinese Characters) were uncovered, showing that the Shang Dynasty really existed? The even earlier Xia Dynasty (2070) is considered mythological today, but it doesn't mean that it did not exist and new archaeological discoveries are always ongoing and uncovering more evidence to support China having 5000 years of history.
I mean, Chinese nobility have been wearing luxurious silk clothing since 4th millennium BCE, whereas the rest of the world wore mostly loincloths as "bedsheets" called togas so how is our Chinese history only 3000 years? Silk is such a valued Chinese commodity that a trade route had been set up and named in honor of the precious material.
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+Tony lacomi China has also helped USA by buying off US debt (about USD 1.2 trillion) to help USA tide through its 2008 financial crisis. If USA really helps China, then why USA forbid the sales of US weapons to China? Even in international cooperation, NASA is forbidden from working with CNSA (Chinese NASA) on joint space projects. Space exploration is for all mankind's benefit, yet Chinese workers and scientists aren't even allowed to work with NASA? America is even willing to work with former Soviet Union Russia, but not China?
Why should China have additional conditions imposed on our entry to WTO, because of our political stances? What has a country's political stances even got to do with trade? You mean because China's authoritarian regime with very different values than yours, gives you the right to deny China entry into an "international" organization? What unfair double standards is this? China could have become a WTO founding member without US 'help' and in fact it was USA that delayed China's WTO entry in the first place, so how exactly did USA help China?
The WTO officially commenced on 1 January 1995 under the Marrakesh Agreement, signed in Morroco so how is that "your system" ? At that time, China wanted to be a signatory and a founding member of WTO, but was thwarted by USA, so how is this suddenly "your system"?
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+Tony lacomi " One could argue that Greek's virtually unchanged political system is an important aspect of civilization. "
But as far as I know, Greece is not considered a 'continuous' civilization by many scholars and historians, unlike China. Greek democracy, Spartan democracy, Athenian democracy, Republic of Rome's system, etc, they are all distinct from modern Western democracy.
About China not being a united people until 221 BCE, Egypt was also not unified at one point, and was divided into Upper Egypt and Lower Egypt, each ruled by its own Pharaoh with distinct crowns of their own. So who can draw the line at when the start of civilization began in Egypt?
Those 3 questions you asked and answered about people living in China, our language, and our civilization, they are just your personal beliefs that's all. After all, you clearly said "But what I would call as a civilization that still exists today? No." means its according to your own definition of a civilization that's all.
Your wife's great grandmother grew up during turbulent time in China's history and was only recounting her own experiences. But Chinese belief in 5000 years of history existed long before 1950 and wasn't just the doing of Chairman Mao. For example, during the Qing Dynasty under the Manchu rulers, the Manchu textbook 滿蒙漢合璧教科書 (節錄) had a chapter China (中國) and a passage displayed read "Our country China is located in East Asia... For 5000 years, culture flourished (in the land of China)... Since we are Chinese, how can we not love China."
For 5000 years, culture flourished (in the land of China)
Source: wikipedia.org/wiki/Qing_dynasty#History
I mean, why are you basing what you know about China's history off your wife's great grandmother's stories? You think what she says is reliable?
About the growing body of evidence about Chinese migrating from Egypt, can you list of the evidence you claimed? Many Chinese people belief we are descended from homonids found in East Asia, such as the Peking Man a Homo Erectus uncovered in Zhoukoudian 周口店 in 1920s. Excavations at the site under the supervision of Chinese archaeologists uncovered 200 human fossils (including six nearly complete skullcaps) from more than 40 individual specimens, but the work was sadly interrupted by the Japanese invasion of China.
About "Why China will Never Rule the World" book, its just a book written by someone that's all. I mean, nobody expected Britain to become a colonial power, but it became one in 19th century. Nobody expected America to overtake its colonial master, but America did and became the superpower in 20th century. So why expect that China will never rule the world based on some author's book? China was a superpower for 1800 years before Britain became one herself, so who's to say China won't become superpower again in the future?
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+Tony lacomi I have literally shown you a passage quoted from Qing Dynasty textbook 滿蒙漢合璧教科書 (節錄), proclaiming that China has 5000 years of history, whereas what have you shown but your wife's great grandmother's stories? You just claimed that "Before the 1950s, China never claimed to have 5,000 years of history" Why don't you show a copy of the Chinese textbook that says so, to support your claim?
You keep saying there is a growing body of evidence of artefacts from Egypt that predate these human remains but have yet to produce any of this evidence. About China and Egypt, I found out that even the Ancient Egyptians found Chinese Silk to be valuable, and that silk has been found in the Valley of the Kings in a tomb of a mummy dating from 1070 BC.
There are also Western scholars who believed the Han Chinese descended from Peking Man. For example, Franz Weidenreich (1873 – 1948) considered Peking Man as a human ancestor and specifically an ancestor of the Chinese people, as seen in his original multiregional model of human evolution in 1946.
How exactly is Greece considered 'continuous'? You claim the political system is the same, but ancient Greek democracy is not the same as modern Western democracy. Greece was conquered by Rome and Rome introduced its own version of democracy, and then after the fall of Rome, there weren't any more democracies arising, until modern Western democracy came about 200-300 years ago. So how exactly is this considered 'continuous'?
About Greek religion staying intact, do the people of Greece worship ancient Greek gods like Zeus, Aphrodite, Apollo, etc, like they did in the past? Or do the modern Greeks worship Christ instead today? Whereas China still has Chinese New Year festival (world's largest human migration) Qingming Festival, Mooncake Festival, etc, so where's your evidence to support your claim that Greek religion is intact much more than China?
About China's 5000 years of 'continuous' history, what actually defines a history as continuous? Everyone have their own definition of continuous, but mine is that the history books can be traced almost completely to the civilizations origin. Chinese scholars have been recording Chinese history in every year. We have the names of all 650+ leaders of China, what period they ruled China, what government system they had, how many wives and concubines they had, how many children the royal family had, what happened to their sons, what happened to their daughters, which son succeeded him and so on.
We have the historical names of all of China's armies top generals, the size of their armies, the strategies they used, which battles they won, which battles they lost, how many casualties they suffered, how many war horses were killed, what compensation was given to the deceased families, which territories were conquered and lost. We have information about other countries interaction with China, which states were under Chinese suzerainty, which were hostile to China, which were friendly to China, how much tribute was paid to China, and how much tribute China paid them.
Of all the existing ancient civilizations, I would claim that none of them had a history as complete as that of China's. China did not have any "dark ages" where no information was being recorded and we can trace our history all the way back 5000 years to the beginning thanks to written texts by our ancestors.
List of Chinese monarchs https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Chinese_monarchs
I mean, you just biased claim Chinese people today are the product of Mao, when I have shown proof of Chinese people celebrating ancient Chinese traditions, honoring our ancestors and our culture, visiting our relatives during Chinese New Year, eating Chinese food and so many other Chinese traditions. Even our classical music is Chinese and played from ancient Chinese instruments persevered from long ago, so who are you to claim Chinese people aren't what our ancestors were?
Beautiful Chinese Music - Bamboo Flute
video: youtube.com/watch?v=-5qhNRmMilI
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+Rupert Thornsberry Despite being subservient to the Chinese Communist Party, they are still legally allowed to exist, so why'd you claim the only legal political party is the Chinese Communist Party? Yes, you did mention all that, but in the end, those minor political parties are still legal parties aren't they?
I've already shown that governments can describe themselves as such and such, like when NK describes itself as democratic, so again, how can you claim China is communism because the government describes themselves as such? Its like US government describing itself as democratic, when it is is not. And you were the one who made the statement "Actually it's communism because their government describes themselves as communist..." so now you are changing your stance to mean fascist instead?
And again, why am I being labelled as 50 cent, just for simply accessing Youtube? What is the logic behind your accusation at all?
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@weiyang6417 Genocide? China today is currently at peace and not at war with any country, since our last major conflict in 1979. Instead of making war, China is investing in developing countries like Sri Lanka, Nepal, Bangladesh, Pakistan, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Tajikistan, and also African countries like Nigeria, Kenya, Chad, Sudan, Ghana, Mozambique, Tanzania, etc.
Whereas the United States is warmonger being involved in Gulf War, Iraq War, Afghan War, Libyan War, Syrian War, Yemen War, etc, even in the 21st century. USA is bombing in those Middle Eastern countries and enacting regime change by cutting off their "heads" (Saddam Hussein, Muammar Gaddafi, etc) and then installing their own US puppet governments in place.
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Besides China, North Korea also trades with India, Philippines, Taiwan, France, Russia, Brazil, Mexico, Germany, Turkey, Saudi Arabia, etc. so does USA want to ban trade with all the above countries as well?
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Did you know that the Shang dynasty was once also considered to be "myth" as well, but later scientific research proven its existence? And in 2016, there is new geological evidence uncovered that may reveal the Xia dynasty to be real.
Geologic Evidence May Support Chinese Flood Legend
Source:https://news.nationalgeographic.com/2016/08/china-yellow-river-great-flood-xia-dynasty-yu/
China finds ‘great flood’ evidence supporting myth of first emperors
Source:https://www.news.com.au/technology/science/archaeology/china-finds-great-flood-evidence-supporting-myth-of-first-emperors/news-story/4aa4b85724d2fc53f608f1f65f76edbc
Archaeological excavation is always ongoing and uncovering new evidence every day. But a good majority of scholars, historians (even Westerners) agree that China is among the world's oldest 'continous' civilizations still alive today. Even other great ancient civilizations like Mesopotamia, Rome and Egypt have long since faded to history. Even the Chinese written characters have been continuously in use since 1200 BC, whereas Sumerian Cuneiform, Latin and Egyptian Hieroglyphs are considered dead languages today.
And yes China has a bloody history of war. You can't possibly expect China to have 5000 years of history, and to have absolutely zero wars isn't it? In fact, One of the world famous thousand year old war literature, Sun Zi's The Art of War is still being taught in many military academies today. But the fact remains that China has been peaceful since 1979, and is currently not at war with any country.
And since you bothered to calculate China's 3,790 wars or 1.26 wars per year then I can also say that USA fought 1032 wars from since 1775, or average 5 wars per year. So isn't USA still a worst warmonger?
List of wars involving USA
Source:wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wars_involving_the_United_States
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@CuongNguyen-le5ic Chinese workers make products like smartphones, computers, electronics, toys, clothing, sneakers, cheap to help many of our neighbors by keeping inflation in countries to a minimum and lowering the cost of living in countries like Japan and Korea. Think of the billions of dollars people in those countries have saved thanks to affordable Chinese goods. Money saved that they can then spent on pursuits like cars, housing, luxury brands, or paying off school fees, tuition fees, doctors fees and so on.
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Jason Uzumaki Why should the people of the country get to dictate who leads the country? Ordinary people aren't politically savvy enough to vote for important decisions regarding the country. Look at America, where charismatic people like Trump can seduce people to vote for him with false promises of making America great again, and they voted for him, even when he has zero political experience. Worst, there are people who refuse to vote, thus skewing the election results in favour of Trump.
If Chinese people want change, then they join the communist party and must rise through the ranks to get elected as President, by garnering votes from other communist members who are aware of China's political situation. This system is not perfect, but it has produced leaders like President Xi Jinping, who has about 30 years of political experience, and Chinese people feel that he is competent enough to lead China. So why can't Chinese government decide what's best for the country? If you leave it to just ordinary people to decide, then they may not make the correct decision.
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Jason Uzumaki Throughout human history, many human societies were ruled by small groups of people. In numerous human societies, the nobility ruled over the peasants, because the nobility were educated and tend to be politically savvy, unlike the peasants. If not the nobility, then it's usually the priests who ruled, because they stored knowledge. In India, the caste system system meant that the Brahmin (priests) made all the important decisions regarding the country's future. What's wrong with this system when humans been following this system for thousands of years? Look at democratic Roman empire and in the end, it succumbed to barbarians, as individual provinces broke away. China has survived thousands of years under emperors, whereas modern Western democracy is only about 200-300 years old, so what reason should China follow Western form of government?
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Jason Uzumaki Does that mean you can abuse vulgarities in your demands? I don't make demands that you answer any of my questions, so what obligation do I have to answer yours? In the end I still answered your question didn't I? Also, where did I ever treated you as "stupid and a peasant", compared to how you treat me? Merely talking about history is considered disrespecting you is that what you are implying?
What makes you think that today with technology and power of weapons, Chinese people will fight back with only sticks and stones? Of course if our government is truly bad to the point where ordinary people can't take it anymore, then people will start acquiring modern weapons (from outside sources, stealing them, etc) and forming a resistance to fight back and overthrow the government. History is full of examples of such occurrences, so what makes you think just because the military technology has improved, that people are suddenly unable to rebel?
Look at US wars in Middle East, such as Afghanistan and Iraq, and the militants there are at technological disadvantage compared to US troops, but still manage to drag the war for over 15 years. What about even further back, when North Vietnamese troops fought to defend their homeland from American troops, despite the technological disadvantage? In my opinion, technological prowess is not the only factor involved in deciding victory.
Your full sentence was "I agree china should follow its own path, but if China's government dictated that decision and not the people of China then I see that as misuse of power and forces the people to accept it even if they didn't agree with it." wasn't it?
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