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Western economists have been predicting China's economic downfall since 1990s. 1990. The Economist: China's economy has come to a halt. 1996. The Economist: China's economy will face hard landing. 1998. The Economist: China's economy entering a dangerous period of sluggish growth. 1999. Bank of Canada: Likelihood of a hard landing for the Chinese economy. 2000. Chicago Tribune: China currency move nails hard landing risk coffin. 2001. Wilbanks, Smith & Thomas: A hard landing in China. 2002. Westchester University: China Anxiously Seeks A Soft Economic landing. 2003. KWR International: How to find a soft landing if China.. 2004. The Economist: The great fall of China? 2005. Nouriel Roubini: The Risk of a Hard Landing in China. 2006. International Economy: Can China Achieve a Soft Landing? 2007. TIME: Is China's Economy Overheating? Can China avoid a hard landing? 2008. Forbes: Hard Landing in China? 2009. Fortune: China's hard landing. China must find a way to recover. 2010. Nouriel Roubini: Hard landing coming in China. 2011. Business Insider: A Chinese Hard Landing May Be Closer Than You Think. 2012. American Interest: Dismal Economic News from China: A Hard Landing. 2013. Zero Hedge: A Hard Landing in China. 2014. CNBC: A hard landing in China. 2015. Forbes: Congratulations, You got Yourself A Chinese Hard Landing.... 2016. The Economist: Hard Landing looms for China. 2017. National Interest: Is China's Economy Going To Crash? 2018. The Daily Reckoning: China's Coming Financial Meltdown. ... But it's already 2019 and China's economy is still going strong. So why do people still continue to believe the Western anti-China propaganda when it has been consistently proven wrong for almost 30 years already?
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Philippines' maritime boundaries were drawn in the 1898 Treaty of Paris and they DO NOT include the South China Sea Islands. (Source: Wikipedia: File: Ph boundary in Treaty of Paris 1898)
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So Philippines wants to be the next Ukraine?
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So Philippines wants to become the next Ukraine?
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@fars7346 Philippines maritime boundary is drawn up in the 1898 Treaty of Paris, which DOES NOT include the South China Sea Islands as within Philippines territory. (Source: Wikipedia: File: Ph boundary in Treaty of Paris 1898)
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@Winters777 Oil thieves? The maritime boundaries of the Philippines was drawn up in the 1898 Treaty of Paris and they DO NOT include the South China Sea as within Philippine territory. (Source: Wikipedia: File: Ph boundary in Treaty of Paris 1898)
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@j146constructionservices8 Where's the basis for legality? Philippine's maritime boundary is drawn up in the 1898 Treaty of Paris, which DOES NOT include the South China Sea islands as within Philippine territory. (Source: Wikipedia: File: Ph boundary in Treaty of Paris 1898)
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@Winters777 It's written in black and white in the 1898 Treaty of Paris, how is it a lie? Philippines maritime boundaries are drawn and they do not include the South China Sea as within Philippine territory.
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@jayztv3345 Rules-based international law? The Philippines government deliberately ran aground a ship (BRP Sierra Madre) on to the Second Thomas shoal, and then started to claim the shoal as part of Philippine territory, how's this the Rules-Base international law?
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Durtete fought to rid the Philippines of its colonial occupation by removing the US bases. Marcos is reversing this.
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@mg2612 Philippines maritime boundary is drawn up in the 1898 Treaty of Paris, which DOES NOT include the South China Sea Islands as within Philippines territory. (Source: Wikipedia: File: Ph boundary in Treaty of Paris 1898)
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Crying? I think you're mistaking the Chinese coastguard water cannon blasts for tears.
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@leonguererro-n8s "The Spaniards came followed by the Americans and the Japanese." It's astonishing that Philippines had been historically colonized by the Americans, after losing a war in which some 250,000 Filipino citizens were killed. Yet China, now is being pictured as an invader, even though China has no history of invading the Philippines.
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@Conscience Observer Why President Trump need to personally come down to Asia to negotiate trade deals? While President Xi Jinping usually just make phonecalls or send letters to America?
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@Winters777 Philippines intentionally parked a rusty vessel (Sierra Madre) onto the Second Thomas Shoal in order to stake a claim to the shoal, how's that not shameless?
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@Winters777 "Shenzhou. No country in the world supported your claim," According to The Diplomat: Who Wupports China in the South China Sea and Why the authors found at least 70 countries that have expressed support for China's stance on the South China Sea issue, compared with just 6-8 countries that support the Philippine's stance.
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@Winters777 Now you're even resorting to hurling racial slurs (like tofu) against me just because I am Chinese and you're unable to refute my points.
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@Winters777 In 1999, Philippine president Joseph Estrada promised that the ground vessel would be towed away. In 2014, the Chinese government asked the Philippines to remove the grounded ship. In 2017, China and the Philippines established a gentlemen's agreement that the status quo be maintained for the South China Sea, as both sides tried to strengthen their relations. Under the status quo agreement, no construction materials are allowed to fortify the Sierra Madre. Yet the Philippines has gone against this agreement and repeatedly brought in supply ships to reinforce the rusting hull of the grounded vessel.
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@Winters777 According to article entitled: Duterte’s China ‘agreement’ on Ayungin prevented supply of construction material, says his spokesman (by Philippine Daily Inquirer, Jane Bautista) Under the status quo agreement, Philippine vessels may deliver “only water and food” to the BRP Sierra Madre, the grounded World War II-era warship. Thus, any attempt by the Philippines to bring in construction materials to fortify Sierra Madre would be in violation of the agreement. Former President Rodrigo Duterte accepted a “gentleman’s agreement” with Beijing regarding the nature of Manila’s resupply missions to its remote outpost in Ayungin (Second Thomas) Shoal in the West Philippine Sea, his former spokesperson Harry Roque.
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@Todd-rk2lb Lol, what makes you think I've being forced by my government to type here? I present China's side logically, yet I'm being met with vitriol just because my views happen to differ from yours.
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@mathewg5884 Second Thomas Shoal has no artificial islands, what are you talking about? The fact that Philippines had to park a rusty ship to stake its claim, just goes to show that it's not even Philippine territory in the first place.
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@mrkaizagaming2652 What Chinese overlordship? China does not intend to conquer the Philippines, but as I've shown the South China Sea is not part of Philippines territory as per the 1898 Treaty of Paris, so why is Philippines claiming Chinese territory as their own?
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@axisense8651 Greediness? I provide arguments to support China's side, yet you just dismiss them while coming up with nothing substantial of your own.
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@fars7346 Republic of China (now Taiwan) first drew up the 11 Dash Line in 1947. Even the USA acknowledged the 11 Dash Line, and the Americans reminded the Philippines at its independence in 1946 that the Spratlys was not Philippine territory, both to not anger Chiang Kai-shek in China and because the Spratlys were not part of the Philippines per the 1898 treaty Spain signed with America.
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China made a statement in Mandarin language. Marcos Jr used the language of their former colonial masters.
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@markoshae5649 China has 5,000 years of history and is among the world's oldest "continuous" civilizations still alive today, whereas other ancient civilizations like Rome and Egypt eventually crumbled. China has witness the rise and fall of various other countries, yet China has made it to modern times relatively intact.
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@Winters777 Looks like you can't refute my points so you resort to hurling personal insults against me.
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@Winters777 Shameless? The Philippines intentionally grounded a vessel, and refused China's help in repairing the vessel to send it on its way. Instead, the Philippines continues to send supply ships to reinforce the rusting hull of the Sierra Madre, in order to stake their claim shamelessly.
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@Winters777 The Philippines believes that the label Panacot on the Velarde Map refers to the Scarborough Shoal, and it is the first map with label Panacot on it. However, Professor Li Xiaocong of China pointed out that the label Panacot in the 1734 map was not Scarborough Shoal, and the three groups of islands, Galit, Panacot and Lumbay also appeared in the map published by China in 1717.
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@BINI_Maloi_Colet Can't you see that it's the US that's trying to provoke a new conflict, this time in Asia? The US has been involved in Vietnam War, Korean War, Iraq War, Afghan War, and if the conflict goes badly, they simply pull out like the Fall of Saigon where US pulled out of South Vietnam. Or the Fall of Kabul where the US pulled out of Afghanistan, leaving behind their Afghan allies. Don't you think the same's going to happen to the Philippines if conflict breaks out in Asia?
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@Winters777 I literally gave you the article detailing Duterte's gentleman's agreement, but you just pretend it doesn't exist, claiming "There's no status quo there's no gentleman's agreement", then perhaps you're the one living in imagination.
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@Winters777 Who gives them the right to be world policemen? The US involved itself in Iraq War, Afghan War. Even the UN Secretary Kofi Annan said that the Iraq invasion was illegal and that it violated UN charter. Yet countries are so willing to follow the US into another war? Like how the US is trying to provoke another one in Asia?
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@BINI_Maloi_Colet Look at the Ukraine, they went against Russia thinking that the US has their back. But US has a history of withdrawing from conflicts once they lose interest. Think Vietnam or Afghanistan, and perhaps soon-to-be Ukraine, and are you sure you want Philippines to experience the same thing like the Fall of Saigon or the Fall of Kabul?
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@jayztv3345 Republic of China published the Eleven Dash Line in 1947. Back then, even the Philippines did not protest China's claim to the South China Sea. Even the Americans reminded the Philippines that the Spratly Islands wasn't Philippines territory as per the 1898 Treaty of Paris.
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@wlakongpake So the Sierra Madre is also part of your imagination? Then why Philippines keep sending supply ships to reinforce the decaying hull of this grounded vessel?
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@edzdeguzman612 So Philippines listen to King of Spain in 1734? Then why not Philippines follow the maritime boundary marked out in the 1898 Treaty of Paris? The Treaty of Paris does not include South China Sea islands as within Philippine territory. (Source: Wikipedia: File: Ph boundary in Treaty of Paris 1898)
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@Todd-rk2lb Look up the Sierra Madre. It's a rusty ship that Phillipines parked in the Second Thomas Shoal in order to stake its claim. Instead accepting Chinese help in repairing the vessel, the Philippines continues to send supply ships to reinforce the decaying hull of the grounded vessel.
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It's known internationally as the South China Sea, not the West Philippines Sea. Also, the maritime boundary of Philippines is drawn up in the 1898 Treaty of Paris, which DOES NOT include the South China Sea Islands as within Philippines territory. (Source: Wikipedia: File: Ph boundary in Treaty of Paris 1898)
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@mr.supermanbatman6894 Who said that the International Court of Justice in the Hague had ruled over the South China Sea dispute?
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@adcruz5983 Afghanistan defeated the United States, even though it was invaded illegally.
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@mrkaizagaming2652 If you don't want Wikipedia, another article entitled The Treaty Limits of the Philippines (By ResearchGate) also shows Philippines maritime boundary in the Treaty of Paris and it DOES NOT include the South China Sea Islands as within Philippine territory.
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@axisense8651 I've got the guts to present China's point of view regarding the South China Sea issue. The Philippines parked a rusty vessel in the Second Thomas Shoal in order to stake a claim, periodically sending in supply ships to reinforce the decaying hull of the Sierra Madre. How's that following the rule of law?
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@Mikoyuu71 Philippines never went to the ICJ. The tribunal arbitration was performed by the Permanent Court of Arbitration (PCA) which is NOT an official UN agency unlike the ICJ. So why are you claiming that UNCLOS is an international UN body when the PCA is not an official UN agency? The fact is that Philippines signed up to the Code of Conduct on South China Sea, and violated it by seeking out 3rd party arbitration instead of resolving disputes bilaterally.
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@ronwaldoilagan6045 "Shenzhou. . An agreement must be followed." What's the name of the agreement then? Philippines signed up to the Code of Conduct which stipulated that countries will resolve territorial disputes bilaterally, yet Philippines violated that agreement and instead chose 3rd party arbitration in the Hague. "it was your government that initially militarized and constructed artificial islands." Prove it. I've stated that Vietnam built the first artificial island on Spratly Island in 1976. Two years later, the Philippines militarized Thitu Island in 1978. China is a late-comer to the island building scene, only begining construction in 2014, so how is China the first? "ruining the marine environment" China actually impose a fishing ban on the South China Sea that lasts from May to Sept, in order to allow fishes to reproduce and replenish their stock. Philippines is the one protesting China's fishing ban, yet now you're accusing China of ruining the marine environment?
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@paradoxine6287 If you don't want Wikipedia, then an article entitled The Treaty Limits of the Philippines (by ResearchGate) also denotes Philippines maritime boundary by the 1898 Treaty of Paris, in which the South China Sea is not included within Philippine territory.
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@BINI_Maloi_Colet Why not attempt to refute my points instead of hurling insults against me for my views?
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@defaultname354 "Shenzhou. since when was Paris a power in anything ?" Paris is merely the location in which the Treaty of Paris is signed, not that the country that the city is located in has the power to enforce the treaty or anything.
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@lydiawhite8320 "they have an old map that show some part you called China Sea belong to Philippines which now called West Philippines Sea." Lol, not only I call it the South China Sea but the rest of the world does. The so-called West Philippine Sea is not the internationally recognized name for the region. The sea is know internationally as the South China Sea, so why are you trying to make it sound like I'm using incorrect nomenclature?
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@jayztv3345 Taiwan also shares the claim that the South China Sea Islands are part of China.
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@AvanguardInvinsible3740 Philippines intentionally grounded a ship on the Second Thomas Shoal. China offered to help repair the damaged vessel and get it back to the sea, but Philippines refused and instead they send supply ships to reinforce the decaying hull of the BRP Sierra Madre, how's this not stealing territory?
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@mathewg5884 Second Thomas Shoal has no artificial islands, what are you talking about?
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@wlakongpake Looks like you're the one living in imagination land, since you can't refute any of my previous points.
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@mathewg5884 The simple fact that Philippines had to intentionally crash and park a rusty ship there just goes to show that it's not Philippine territory.
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@wlakongpake Still stuck in imagination land? Why don't you comment on the rusty ship that the Philippines intentionally parked and is reinforcing with supply ships?
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@Filipinoshospitality Where's your old map?
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@wlakongpake So that rusty ship is imagined by China? Why is Philippines sending supply ships to reinforce the rusting hull of the Sierra Madre?
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@nixtrope I quote sources to support my argument, you can't refute my points so you resort to hurling personal insults against me?
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@dextercadelina7953 Republic of China (now Taiwan) first drew up the 11 Dash Line in 1947. Even the USA acknowledged the 11 Dash Line, and the Americans reminded the Philippines at its independence in 1946 that the Spratlys was not Philippine territory, both to not anger Chiang Kai-shek in China and because the Spratlys were not part of the Philippines per the 1898 treaty Spain signed with America.
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@JuliaInes-bp8mf In 1999, Philippine president Joseph Estrada promised that the grounded vessel would be towed away. In 2014, the Chinese government asked the Philippines to remove the grounded ship. In 2017, China and the Philippines established a gentlemen's agreement that the status quo be maintained for the South China Sea, as both sides tried to strengthen their relations. Under the status quo agreement, no construction materials are allowed to fortify the Sierra Madre. But the Philippines has violated this agreement and sent supply ships to reinforce the rusting hull of the grounded vessel.
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@JuliaInes-bp8mf Regarding the 9-Dash Line, the Vietnam PM Pham van Dong had formally accepted that the Spratly and Paracel Islands as within Chinese territorial waters in a diplomatic note he wrote to Chinese premier Zhou Enlai. The diplomatic note was written on September 14 and was publicized on Nhan Dan newspaper(Vietnam) on September 22, 1958. (Source: Wikipedia: File: 1958 diplomatic note from phamvandong to zhouenlai)
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@nixtrope You stand for the Philippines, then can't I stand for China? You've been calling it the "West Philippine Sea" but that's not the internationally recognized name for the sea. The region is known internationally as the South China Sea. As for territorial waters, the 1898 Treaty of Paris marked out Philippine's maritime boundary and they did not include the South China Sea as within Philippine boundary.
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@nixtrope What's the name of the 2016 arbitral tribunal? You're constantly calling me a bot, when you can't even give the actual name of the organization that made the ruling?
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@BatAskal "Shenzhou. Where were you in Hague in 2016 to explain that again?" In 2012, the Philippines had signed a Code of Conduct on the South China Sea to resolve territorial disputes through friendly consultations and negotiations by sovereign states, but by bring the matter to the Hague, Philippines had violated the code of conduct by involving 3rd party arbitration.
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@BatAskal Philippines violated the Code of Conduct, and now you're accusing China of violating it? Philippines choose not to settle the territorial dispute bilaterally, instead choosing 3rd party arbitration then China has the right to refuse arbitration. In 2006, China made a declaration in accordance with Article 298 of Section 3 of Part XV of UNCLOS not to allow the convention to rule over matters of sovereignty. Many countries including the United Kingdom, Australia, Italy, France, Canada, and Spain had made similar declarations so China is not alone in refusing 3rd party arbitration.
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@dextercadelina7953 In 1999, Philppines president Joseph Estrada promised that the grounded vessel would be towed away. In 2014, the Chinese government asked the Philippines to remove the grounded ship. In 2017, China and the Philippines established a gentlemen's agreement that the status quo be maintained for the South China Sea, as both sides tried to strengthen their relations. Under the status quo agreement, no construction materials are allowed to fortify the Sierra Madre. But the Philippines went against this agreement and sent supply ships to reinforce the rusting hull of the grounded vessel.
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@IanpaulParanga "1734 maurillo velarde map that's the map that wins against china. Imagine 1734 against 1947 of china. Fact vs. imagination." 1734 Maurillo Velarde Map was drawn up by the Spanish for the Philippines. Drawn by foreigners who had no knowledge of local geography and political boundaries, so how's that a concrete claim? Being colonizers, of course the Spanish would try and incorporate more territory into their colony, whereas the 9-Dash Line was drawn up by local Chinese who lived in the region.
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@alucard6675 Pag Asa Island (Thitu Island) was inhabited by fishermen from Champa in present-day Vietnam and the Chinese, not the Philippines. After the Japanese WW2 surrender, the island was returned to Republic of China, and Chinese officials placed national markers on the major islands, drew up detailed maps of them, renamed them, and published the Location Map of the South China Sea Island. But in 1971 there was a typhoon so the Chinese garrisons withdraw to Taiping Island to avoid the storm. The Philippines saw this empty space and organized the troops to land on the island on 29 July and renamed the island "Pag-asa Island". So the Island was originally Chinese before it was seized by the Philippines after a storm.
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China has been too kind to the Philippines. The Philippines intentionally grounded a vessel (Sierra Madre) onto the Second Thomas Shoal. China offered to help repair the vessel and get it back to the sea, but Philippines refused. Instead, Philippines sent supply ships to reinforce the decaying hull of the vessel in order to stake their claim.
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Philippines maritime boundary is drawn up in the 1898 Treaty of Paris, which DOES NOT include the South China Sea Islands as within Philippines territory. (Source: Wikipedia: File: Ph boundary in Treaty of Paris 1898)
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@jeremywolfe6929 Mongolia relinquished control after the Yuan Dynasty.
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Follow the rule of law? The Philippine government intentionally grounded a vessel (Sierra Madre) onto the Second Thomas Shoal. China offered to help repair the vessel and get it back to the sea, but Philippines refused. Instead, Philippines sent supply ships to reinforce the decaying hull of the grounded vessel. How's this following the rule of law?
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@paradoxine6287 There are literally zero Chinese bases inside the Philippines, but you can't say the same for US bases in the Philippines. Who's the real colonizer here?
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@paradoxine6287 A lot? Name at least 5 of these bases then.
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@rafaelcordero8002 You asked more than one question, yet you said: "i have a question for you"? Ukraine is vital for grain shipment to Africa. Ukraine is being edged on by the US to go against Russia, even though there's no mutual defense treaty between them. And the Ukraine conflict is literally affecting the rest of the world even as we speak, but hardly anyone cares about the Philippines at this point in time. Also, the West Philippine Sea is not the international recognized name for that region. It is known internationally as the South China Sea.
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@nosum223 Following international law? The Philippines had international grounded a vessel (Sierra Madre) onto the Second Thomas Shoal. China had offered to repair the vessel and get it back to the sea, but Philippines refused. Instead, Philippines is sending supply ships to reinforce the rusting hull of the grounded vessel. How's this in accordance with international law?
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@8thsheet407 The authors of the following article have found that 70 countries expressed support for China's stance on the South China Sea, compared to 5-7 countries that support the Philippines stance. (Source: The Diplomat: Who Supports China in the South China Sea and Why)
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Look up the Map of International Waters and the South China Sea is clearly not international waters.
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@CA50716 I am Chinese and proud of China and what it's become. Can't I engage in debate and argument to defend China's side? I use logic and cite sources where necessary, but thus far I've been met with endless insults and verbal abuse. Such people choose to attack me personally, instead of attacking my points, yet can't I point it out?
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@mathewg5884 And Philippines recognize Taiwan as part of China, so he's clearly a Chinese fisherman. And like I said, what brute force, when no Filipino fisherman has been shot to death by the Chinese coastguard?
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@Todd-rk2lb Both Taiwan and mainland China maintain the claim of the South China Sea being part of Chinese territory.
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@mathewg5884 But those Filipino weren't killed, unlike the 65-year old Chinese fisherman Hong Shicheng. So who's using brute force here?
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@rhannightowl173 Republic of China claimed the South China Sea Islands by publishing the 11-Dash Line in 1947 and back then, even the Americans reminded the Philippines at their independence that the Spratly Islands wasn't Philippines territory.
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@jm97117 Self defence could have been achieved by water cannon, not by actual gunfire, resulting in the death of a 65-year old Chinese fisherman. Also the Bailintag island is not within Philippines maritime boundary as per the 1898 Treaty of Paris. (Source: Wikipedia: File: Ph boundary in Treaty of Paris 1898)
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@philipodina9573 Social Credit Score is another myth, just ask any Chinese whether such a system exists in China.
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@pinkyramos620 Philippines parked a grounded vessel onto the Second Thomas Shoal, and continues to reinforce the hull of the rusting vessel, and refuses to remove it, then who's the one bullying here? And a 65-year old Chinese fisherman was shot to death by Philippines coastguard, meanwhile no Filipino fisherman has been shot to death by Chinese coastguard.
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@jm97117 The 2016 arbitral ruling was made the Permanent Court of Arbitration (PCA) which is NOT an official UN agency, unlike say the International Court of Justice (ICJ). Since the ruling was not made by an official UN agency, then China reserves the right not to adhere to its ruling.
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@nixtrope Shameless? It's the Philippines that parked a rusty vessel on the Second Thomas Shoal in an attempt to change the status quo there. In 1999, Philippine president Joseph Estrada promised that the vessel would be towed away. In 2014, the Chinese government asked the Philippines to remove the grounded ship. In 2017, China and the Philippines established a gentlemen's agreement that the status quo be maintained for the South China Sea, as both sides tried to strengthen their relations. Under the status quo agreement, no construction materials are allowed to fortify the Sierra Madre. Yet the Philippines went back on their word and sent supply ships to reinforce the rusting hull of the grounded vessel, in violation of the agreement.
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@nixtrope The fact remains that 65-year old Chinese fisherman Hong Shicheng was shot dead by gunfire from the Philippines coastguard. Yet people accuse China of brute force.
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@littlesenorita1488 The Spanish changed Philippines boundary in the 1898 Treaty of Paris where it no longer included the Spratly Islands as part of its territory. And the Republic of China published the 11-Dash Line in 1947.
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@nixtrope Of course, you don't care if a Chinese fisherman is shot by the Philippines coastguard, you just brush it off like his life doesn't matter. Yet there aren't any Filipino fisherman that have been shot by Chinese coastguard.
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@littlesenorita1488 "the 1734 Murillo Velarde Map... While there was no legal basis for China's expansive claims on the other hand." 1734 Murillo Velarde Map was drawn up by Spanish for the Philippines. Drawn up by foreigners who had no knowledge of the local geography and political boundaries (and without consulting neighboring countries) so how's that a legal claim? As a colonizer, of course the Spanish would want to draw large boundary for their colony, but how does that make it legal? Meanwhile, China's claims are based on historical claims and drawn up by local Chinese officials.
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@rhannightowl173 Both Taiwan and PRC consider themselves China. Taiwan goes by the name Republic of China and the 65-year old fisherman's name is Chinese (Hong Shicheng) written in Chinese characters (洪石成). As for what response, like I said, there's always the option of water cannon, rather than actual gunfire resulting in death of the fisherman. Meanwhile, no Filipino fisherman have been shot to death by Chinese coastguard.
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@broernztyt According to an article: Who Supports China in the South China Sea and Why published by The Diplomat, the authors found that 70 countries support China's stance in the South China Sea, compared to the 5-7 countries that support Philippines' stance.
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@broernztyt "What kind of civilization is China today? Stone aged civilization," China has 5,000 years of history and is among the world's oldest civilization still alive today, whereas other ancient civilizations like Rome and Egypt have since succumbed to history. China has witness the rise and fall of various other countries, yet China has survived to modern times relatively intact. Today, China is also an advanced space nation, having successfully landed a lunar lander (Chang'e-6) on the far side of the Moon.
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@fars7346 It's your funeral then, just like it's Ukraine's. In fact, Philippines' maritime boundaries were drawn in the 1898 Treaty of Paris and they DO NOT include the South China Sea Islands. (Source: Wikipedia: File: Ph boundary in Treaty of Paris 1898)
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@olimpmarkcunanan The United States promised to support Ukraine, but look at the toll that the Russian special miltary operation is having on Ukraine. Does Philippines want to be involved in a conflict in, say the Taiwan Strait, and end up like Ukraine?
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@urbanlegendzero9750 The name West Philippine Sea is not internationally recognized. The region is known internationally as the South China Sea, and as I've stated, the Treaty of Paris laid out Philippines maritime boundary, which does not include the South China Sea. And if the "extended documentation" included those iselets, why drew up Philippines maritime boundary in the first place?
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@urbanlegendzero9750 In 1999, president Joseph Estrada promised that the grounded vessel would be towed away. In 2014, the Chinese government asked the Philippines to remove the grounded ship. In 2017, China and the Philippines established a gentlemen's agreement that the status quo be maintained for the South China Sea, as both sides tried to strengthen their relations. Under the status quo agreement, no construction materials are allowed to fortify the Sierra Madre. Yet the Philippines went against the agreement and instead made use of supply ships to reinforce the rusting hull of the grounded vessel.
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@i.p.0179 Republic of China (now Taiwan) first drew up the 11 Dash Line in 1947. Even the USA acknowledged the 11 Dash Line, and the Americans reminded the Philippines at its independence in 1946 that the Spratlys was not Philippine territory, both to not anger Chiang Kai-shek in China and because the Spratlys were not part of the Philippines per the 1898 treaty Spain signed with America.
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@rommelperalta6111 It's astonishing how you paint China as a dominant giant Golaith country when historically it was the United States that fought against Philippines and made Philippines into an American colony. Have you forgotten the war history so soon?
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@urbanlegendzero9750 So you're saying in the first version Spain drew it out of colonialism? That means it's not truly Philippine territory, it's merely additional territory attached as a result of colonialism, then how's it a concrete claim? And just because the US ask that the water or sea around those islands or islets be added to Philippines that means it's accepted? The US is seeking to provoke a new conflict in Asia, of course they would attribute disputed territory towards Philippines in order to create unnecessary tensions. And the fact remains that the internationally recognized name for the region is the South China Sea. You're the one calling it the West Philippines Seas out of the blue, when it's not the internationally recognized name, yet you're accusing me of claiming it just because of names?
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@urbanlegendzero9750 Under the status quo agreement, Philippine vessels may deliver “only water and food” to the BRP Sierra Madre, the grounded World War II-era warship. Thus, any attempt by the Philippines to bring in construction materials to fortify Sierra Madre would be in violation of the agreement. (Source: Duterte’s China ‘agreement’ on Ayungin prevented supply of construction material, says his spokesman by Philippine Daily Inquirer, Jane Bautista)
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@axisense8651 I've long provided my side of the argument, but all you've done is ignored it. What gives Philippines the right to claim the territory then? According to the Treaty of Paris, Philippine's maritime boundary does not include the South China Sea. And the Philippines intentionally parked a rusting vessel on the Second Thomas Shoal and repeated refused to remove the vessel, in order to stake its claim there.
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@urbanlegendzero9750 The UNCLOS tribunal at the Permanent Court of Arbitration concluded that Second Thomas Shoal do not generate an entitlement to a territorial sea, exclusive economic zone or continental shelf. Yet the Philippines intentionally grounded a rusty vessel onto the shoal, and refused to remove it.
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@urbanlegendzero9750 You said: "Shenzhou. construction materials? Where the hell did you get that? From your own imagination again?" Even the Manila Standard has reported that repairs on the BRP Sierra Madre have begun. Why are you constantly accusing me of imagining things?
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@urbanlegendzero9750 You said: "Shenzhou. but we never supplied any construction materials on the said vessel, my god xD." A team of reporters from The Inquirer visited the grounded vessel in late June 2022. At the time, the Navy-manned wooden boat Unaizah May 2, where the Inquirer was embedded, carried construction materials such as angle bars, welding electrodes and deck plates, aside from the food supplies. Aboard the BRP Sierra Madre—where a handful of sailors were stationed on a rotation basis to stake the country’s claim in that area—were signs of repair to keep the ship from falling apart. This is coming from reporters, yet you're claiming it's my imagination?
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@michaelblue2965 Taiwan is where the former Republic of China government fled to after the Chines Civil War. Both ROC and PRC claim to be China (i.e One China principle) and the 11-Dash Line was drawn up by ROC and was revised to 9-Dash Line by the PRC.
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@leonguererro-n8s "The Spaniards came followed by the Americans and the Japanese." It's astonishing that Philippines was historically invaded by the Americans and the American-Philippine war resulted in the tragic deaths of some 250,000 Filipinos and Philippines was made into an American colony. Yet China without any history of invading Philippines, is now being portrayed as invader, instead of the US.
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@fars7346 According to an article entitled Who Supports China in the South China Sea and Why published by The Diplomat, the author found 70 countries that expressed their support for China's position in the South China Sea, compared to the 5-7 countries that support Philippines stance.
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@urbanlegendzero9750 Your own Philippine president Joseph Estrada made a promise in 1999 that the vessel would be towed away, now Philippines is backing out of the promise. As for construction materials, Philippine President Duterte made a gentleman's agreement with China not to supply construction materials, so again, the Philippines backed out of the agreement. (It's astonishing that earlier you said: "Shenzhou. construction materials? Where the hell did you get that? From your own imagination again? Shenzhou. but we never supplied any construction materials on the said vessel, my god xD.". But when faced with proof of construction materials, you're now saying: "Who are you to stop us resupplying contruction materials for the vessel?" The hypocrisy)
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@urbanlegendzero9750 "Shenzhou. funny thing about that article is that the author is your very own people xD am I right?" The Diplomat is an Australian magazine owned by Japanese company and headquartered in Washington, D.C. Just because the authors of the article happen to have Chinese names, suddenly means that the Diplomat is unreliable? Why are you discriminating against the article because of Chinese names?
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@belle_lustre Philippines grounded a vessel and refuse to remove it, despite promising to do so. Philippines had a gentleman's agreement not to supply construction materials to the rusting vessel, yet again they violated the agreement and sent supply ships to reinforce the rusting hull of the grounded vessel. Yet when I bring up these issues, you hurl insults against others for their views.
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@manueldelfin1152 So does Philippines want to become the next Ukraine?
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@fars7346 "Shenzhou. As expected the article is made by By Wang Wen and Chen Xiaochen." What's wrong with the authors of The Diplomat article having Chinese names? Are you outright saying that you discriminate against Chinese people? The legal basis? It's the support from 70 countries according to the article, that provides the legal basis. "most of websites are linked to chinese websites" Again, what's wrong with Chinese websites? You can always use Google Translate if you need translation, why are you discriminating against the langauge?
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During his presidential campaign, Donald Trump wanted to label China as currency manipulators. But after meeting with President Xi in MaraLargo, he completely flipped his stance. "They're not currency manipulators," President Trump told The Wall Street Journal during 2017 press conference in the Oval Office, and then went on to explain how Beijing hasn't been manipulating the yuan for months. Now President Trump is helping Chinese company ZTE, and tweeting "Too many jobs in China lost"? Can people see the trend here?
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@Mikoyuu71 Republic of China published the 11-Dash Line in 1947. Also UNCLOS is not an organization, what are you talking about?
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@ronwaldoilagan6045 China made a declaration in 2006 in accordance with article 298 of section 3 of part XV of UNCLOS not to accept 3rd party arbitration when it comes to settling territorial disputes. Philippines and China had initially agreed on the South China Sea Code of Conduct to settle disputes bilaterally, but Philippines choose to settle the dispute by 3rd party arbitration in violation of the code.
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@Mikoyuu71 UNCLOS is a convention that countries sign up to, it's not an international body under the UN. Also, UNCLOS does not deal with matters of territorial disputes or to resolve issues of sovereignty, as that field is governed by rules of customary international law on the acquisition and loss of territory.
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@ronwaldoilagan6045 "Shenzhou. . Yes, we agree on that point, but the agreement does not include militarising and creating artificial islands." Other countries have been building airbases in the South China Sea long before China arrived at the scene. Vietnam began construction of its airstrip on Spratly Island in 1976, making this the first runway in the Spratly island group. In 1978, the Philippines incorporated Thitu Island after airstrip construction had already begun. In 1983, Malaysia built an airstrip atop Swallow Reef. Taiwan's government finished constructing its airstrip on Itu Aba in 2008. In fact, China is a late-comer to the scene, only building an airstrip on Fiery Cross Reef in late 2014, when other countries have long been militarizing the South China Sea before that. (Source: Asia Maritime Transparency Initiative: Airpower in the South China Sea)
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Duterte doesn't yield to the Americans, it's Marcos that does that.
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@NancyDugdale Philippines became an American colony after the American-Philippine War. Philippine's maritime boundaries were drawn in the 1989 Treaty of Paris which DOES NOT include the South China Sea Islands. (Source: Wikipedia: File: Ph boundary in Treaty of Paris 1898)
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@Todd-rk2lb 用中文字写
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@BINI_Maloi_Colet Why can't you refute my points? Instead you go around hurling accusations against me just because my views happen to differ from yours.
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@BINI_Maloi_Colet Everyone knows the US is in decline and China is rising. As long as peace prevails, the US will eventually decline to the point where they can no longer afford to challenge China's rise. So before that happens, there's a window of opportunity to start a conflict in Asia, and drive China's economic growth down, and that's why US is seeking to provoke a new conflict.
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@jayztv3345 Philippines boundaries are drawn up in the 1898 Treaty of Paris and they DID NOT include the South China Sea Islands. (Source: Wikipedia: File: Ph boundary in Treaty of Paris 1898)
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@paradoxine6287 If you don't want Wikipedia, you can look up an article The Treaty Limits of the Philippines (by ResearchGate) and Philippines maritime boundary is clearly marked out in the Treaty of Paris, in which the South China Sea is not included within Philippine territory.
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@toppy_ctp In 1999, Philippine president Joseph Estrada promised that the ground vessel would be towed away. In 2014, the Chinese government asked the Philippines to remove the grounded ship. In 2017, China and the Philippines established a gentlemen's agreement that the status quo be maintained for the South China Sea, as both sides tried to strengthen their relations. Under the status quo agreement, no construction materials are allowed to fortify the Sierra Madre. Yet the Philippines has gone against this agreement and repeatedly brought in supply ships to reinforce the rusting hull of the grounded vessel.
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@paradoxine6287 Look up an article entitled: The Treaty Limits of the Philippines if you don't want Wikipedia. They show the same thing that Philippine's maritime boundary does not include the South China Sea.
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@lydiawhite8320 "You only occupied and build an Island in West Phil. Sea when the American base left Philippines. China even said before its ony for fishing docking ? What its now? China Military base. Do your research?" What's the name of this island? Sabina Shoal? They've only found pieces of dead corals, how's this evidence of a "China Military Base?"
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@wlakongpake Republic of China's 11-Dash Line was published in 1947. Philippines boundaries are drawn up in the 1898 Treaty of Paris and it DOES NOT include the South China Sea Islands as part of Philippines territory. (Source: Wikipedia: File: Ph boundary in Treaty of Paris 1898)
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@wlakongpake Even the United States recognised the 11-Dash Line after it was published in 1947. In fact, the US Navy granted the USS Decker to the Chinese navy to help liberate the South China Sea Islands from Japanese occupation and this ship was renamed ROCS Taiping. One of the South China Sea Islands was renamed Taiping Island in honor of this ship.
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@dextercadelina7953 Philippines intentionally ran aground a vessel onto the Second Thomas Shoal. China offered to help repair the vessel so that it can enter the sea, but Philippines refused. In 1999, president Joseph Estrada promised that the vessel would be towed away. In 2014, the Chinese government asked the Philippines to remove the grounded ship. In 2017, China and the Philippines established a gentlemen's agreement that the status quo be maintained for the South China Sea, as both sides tried to strengthen their relations. Under the status quo agreement, no construction materials are allowed to fortify the Sierra Madre. But Philippines kept sending supply ships to reinforce the rusting hull of the grounded vessel, in order to stake a claim to the shoal.
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@alucard6675 "pag asa island even before you claiming that is your own..people living there." There are historical records of the island having been inhabited, at various times in history, by fishermen from Champa in present-day Vietnam and the Chinese, and during WWII by French Indochina and Imperial Japanese troops. After Japan's surrender, the island was returned to the _Republic of China as Chinese officials embarked to recover the island from the Japanese. China's Ministry of the Interior re-erected national markers on the major islands, drew up detailed maps of them, renamed them, and published the Location Map of the South China Sea Island. In May 1956, Tomás Cloma, a Philippine national, landed on several of the islands, claiming that he had discovered them and enjoyed the rights associated with discovery-occupation. The ROC ambassador to the Philippines immediately issued a statement stressing that the islands were ROC territory, and sent a letter of protest to Philippine Vice President and Foreign Secretary Carlos Polestico Garcia. Later, because of a strong typhoon, the islands Chinese inhabitants withdrew and the Philippines saw this empty space and organized the troops to land on the island on 29 July and renamed the island "Pag-asa Island".
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What's the name of this Hague Tribunal that did the ruling on the South China Sea?
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@rapfaelezio6282 There's so many courts in the Hague, which Hague Tribunal is the one that made the ruling on the South China Sea?
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@rapfaelezio6282 So you can't even name the Hague Tribunal that ruled on the South China Sea? Then why should China observe such a ruling?
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@eugeneromero6583 China actually has an annual fishing ban on South China Sea waters lasting from 1st May to 1st Sept, in order to allow the fishes to replenish themselves.
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@banaterist Philippines maritime boundary is drawn up in the 1898 Treaty of Paris, which DOES NOT include the South China Sea Islands as within Philippine territory. (Source: Wikipedia: File: Ph boundary in Treaty of Paris 1898)
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Well, why don't you call for the Freeing of Southern Philippines (Mindanao) while you're at it?
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@pinkyramos620 Why should I leave? Who are you to tell other people to leave?
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@Todd-rk2lb Which part is wrong? The Philippines had grounded a vessel in the Second Thomas Shoal. In 1999, Philippine president Joseph Estrada promised that the vessel would be towed away. In 2014, the Chinese government asked the Philippines to remove the grounded ship. In 2017, China and the Philippines established a gentlemen's agreement that the status quo be maintained for the South China Sea, as both sides tried to strengthen their relations. Under the status quo agreement, no construction materials are allowed to fortify the Sierra Madre. But the Philippines went against the agreement and sent supply ships to reinforce the rusting hull of the grounded vessel.
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@mr.supermanbatman6894 I provided a source to the Treaty of Paris in which Philippine's maritime boundaries were drawn, and they don't include the South China Sea. Also, there is no internationally recognized West Philippines Sea, but the region is known internationally as the South China Sea.
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@mr.supermanbatman6894 Republic of China published the 11-Dash Line in 1947 claiming the South China Sea islands as within Chinese territory. Whereas the 1898 Treaty of Paris doesn't include the South China Sea islands as within Philippine's territory.
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@mr.supermanbatman6894 I've looked up the International Court of Justice website, and the ICJ never made a ruling on the South China Sea, what are you talking about? In 2016, the ICJ only had 3 cases, concerning cessation of the Nuclear Arms Race, but nothing about the South China Sea.
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@mr.supermanbatman6894 The 2016 Hague Ruling was conducted by the Permanent Court of Arbitration (PCA) NOT the International Court of Justice. Also, it says that the PCA is not an official UN agency unlike the ICJ, so it's not even endorsed by the UN.
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Philippines had deliberately ran a ground a vessel (BRP Sierra Madre) on to the Chinese territory of the Second Thomas Shoal, in order to claim it.
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@paradoxine6287 If you don't like Wikipedia, then ResearchGate also has an article entitled: The Treaty Limits of the Philippines where Philippines maritime boundaries are clearly marked out in the Treaty of Paris and the South China Sea is not included within Philippine territory.
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@jeremywolfe6929 So if Mongolia didn't relinquish their control, then why isn't Mongolia trying to claim China now? As for Tibet, it is currently recognized today as part of the People's Republic of China.
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At least the Chinese general spoke in Chinese language. But Marcos Jr speak in the language of Philippines former colonial masters.
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@mathewg5884 It just goes to show that Filipinos regard Anglo-Saxon culture as inherently superior instead of speaking their own native language, like the Chinese general did.
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@Todd-rk2lb Because you don't understand Chinese.
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@Todd-rk2lb 用中文字写。
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@paradoxine6287 I think that as President of the Philippines, he should be speaking in his own native language, leaving it up to the interpreters to translate his message, instead of speaking the language of his former colonial masters. Chinese leaders use Chinese, Russian leaders use Russian, same for India and many other countries. But the colonial mentality still persists within many Filipinos like you said.
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@paradoxine6287 "Why would you speak Chinese in a room filled with non-Chinese speakers" In my opinion, speakers should speak in a language that's most comfortable to them, in order to properly convey the meaning behind the words, and leave it for the interpreters to properly decipher the message. Otherwise, some nuance is lost when the speaker uses the language of another. As I've stated, China does it, so does Russia, India, etc.
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@paradoxine6287 "Shenzhou. But at the end of the day, it is not a sign of colonial mentality, mind you." It is. Colonial mentality is the internalized perception of ethnic or cultural inferiority felt by people as a result of colonization. Such people display a preference for Anglo-Saxon culture over any "non-white" culture, including their own.
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@paradoxine6287 "Marcos spoke in English because he was most comfortable with it. But doesn't mean weak cultural values (colonial mentality)." It shows that the Philippine president does his thinking with a foreign language, rather than his own native language, and it doesn't portray a sense of strong Filipino cultural values. How do Russians feel when their President addresses them in Russian language? How do Indians feel when their PM addresses them in his own native tongue? As for China, I can tell you that Chinese feel proud when our leader speaks in Mandarin (as it should be). Speaking in your own language conveys a sense of pride and strong cultural identity, especially when it's the leader of a country speaking.
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