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  31. +Soul Chicken Nobody cares about China's interests except Chinese. Nobody wants to see China succeed, except Chinese. Nobody can defend China, except Chinese. Modern China was built by sweat, blood, tears and sacrifice of the Chinese people to through wars, invasion, famine, poverty, rebellions and revolutions. There were many failures and mistakes along the way, but Chinese people turned China from dirt poor, war torn and starving country, into world's 2nd largest economy, protected by world's 2nd largest military spending and largest land army, the PLA. If you want to label Chinese people who defend China as "trolls" then aren't you implying that Indians who defend their country are trolls as well? Under the Dalai Lama rule, Tibet was brutal theocracy, where 95% of the population were slaves and the remaining 5% elites were slave owners. Tibetan mountainous soil was poor and the serfs had to work to grow enough food to feed the population and the 5% elites. Starvation was commonplace, and criminals were punished by torture, amputation and even skinning. There is this Tibetans drum called damaru which consists of two human skulls and the drumskin is made from human skin and the drumstick from human bone. When Tibet returned to Chinese rule, it was modernized and roads, schools, universities, hospitals were built, as well as running water, gas and electricity. Tibetans today have access to cars, mobile phones, computers and there is Internet coverage, WiFi, and mobile phone reception, even in such a remote location like Tibet. The population of Tibet has grown from about 1 million in 1951 to 3 million people today, as food can now be imported from the mainland. What makes you think Tibetans will absolutely rise up against China then? Have you been to Tibet and asked the locals? Today, Tibet has a thriving tourist industry, because China built Qinghai railway through difficult mountainous terrain to connect the normally isolated Tibet to the rest of the world.
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  37. Looking from Pakistan perspective, India also supported Bangladesh independence from East Pakistan, so isn't India being hostile towards Pakistan as well, by dividing its country and creating Bangladesh? Why you allow your original country of British India, to become so divided today? Each division only weakens the former country, and create tensions between the individual states. Just imagined if British India had resisted the British and chosen to remained "unpartitioned" and all those conflicts and bloodshed between India and Pakistan didn't happened. Where would India be today if history happened differently? But its too late now, and Pakistan is its own sovereign country, and so is Bangladesh. Why do you want to keep on opposing each other, even after 70 years? How will Asia ever become strong, if we are constantly fighting amongst ourselves? China wants to make Asia strong, by building infrastructure in less developed countries like Pakistan, Bangladesh, Maldives, Sri Lanka, Nepal, because we believe building infrastructure is laying the foundations for countries to develop themselves. Look at the Western approach to terrorism. They invade Middle East country and bomb their cities, resulting in civilian casualties, and these people become angry and join the terrorists to fight against USA. For example, Al Qaeda was once trained by CIA, but eventually rebelled against USA. Even the formation of ISIL has been credited to USA's constant intervention in Middle Eastern wars. When a terrorist cell is destroyed, another one pops up in its place, so it is apparent that US approach simply does not work. So why should we follow their approach then, when its been fighting wars in Middle East for 15 years without end in sight?
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  47. +PrankFrank Why you keep repeat the same few points over and over and expect other people to believe you? Just because you keep repeating it? 1) Whether the goods are intermediary or not, Korean exports to China are worth US$124.4 billion, while export to USA is worth $66.8 billion. UK is less than $10 billion, and rest of Europe is not even mentioned at all in this article below. I don't know how you can still outright lie about Europeans being South Korea's major market over China and still expect people to believe you. South Korea's Top Trading Partners worldstopexports(dot)com/south-koreas-top-import-partners/ 2) Jeju is island south of Korea, and increased domestic tourists simply means more local Korean tourists visit the Island instead of Chinese tourists. This means money only circulate within Korea, and not between foreign tourists and Korea. Jeju doing well, but that doesn't represent the rest of S. Korea. American and European tourist percentage increases are still insignificant compared to Chinese tourists. In 2016, Korea has seen almost 7 000 000 Chinese tourists and only 600 000 US tourists, and negligible amount of European tourists. *What are the small percentage increase in US and European tourists going to matter when compared to decreases in Chinese tourists? 3) FlashMemory? Just come down to Shenzhen and you can find dozens varieties of flash drives for sale, made by Chinese companies locally. America and Europe may use Apple and Samsung, but China is world's largest mobile phone market, with 1 300 000 000 users, compared to USA's 300 000 000 users. This is reason why foreign mobile phone companies keep trying tap into Chinese market. Source: Wikipedia: List of countries by number of mobile phones in use
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  94. You act like India conducts itself transparently in the first place. What about Indian Army sending troops across the border to obstruct road construction efforts at Doklam? Doklam lies on the China-Bhutan border, not the India-China border, so it should be an bilateral issue between China and Bhutan, isn't it? When did China disregard India's claim on Jammu and Kashmir? Chinese workers are only building infrastructure in Kashmir, and China is not claiming that territory as part of China. Once the construction is complete, Chinese workers will vacate the lands and leave it for whomever wants possession of those territory. So how is China disregarding Jammu and Kashmir? In China's case for example, India does business with Taiwan, but does China complain about India doing business with Taiwan? What has South China Sea got to do with India then? India does not claim territory from South China Sea, and neither does Japan, or USA for that matter, so what has SCS issue got to do with those countries at all here? In fact, India doesn't claim Indian Ocean as part of its territory, so why can't Chinese ships and submarines patrol the Indian Ocean? China has 5000 years of history, and is among the world's oldest 'continuous' civilizations still alive today, whereas other great civilizations like Mesopotamia, Rome and Egypt have long since faded to history. China has long history of warfare and military manuals like Sun Zi's The Art of War 孙子兵法 have been written thousands of years ago, but still being taught today in modern military academies. Why is mechanized warfare unfeasible in mountainous region, simply because the video above says so? China has conducted several live-fire exercise and military drills in Tibet, making use of light tanks like VT5 light combat tank. In fact, it is only after the Tibet live-fire exercise, did Indian army realize that it does not have light tanks of its own for combat in mountainous terrain. For mountainous combat scenarios, China also have access to aerial units like our very own combat UAVs, like CaiHong-5, which has been compared to the US's Reaper drone, and allows China to conduct surveillance and light combat operations along Himalayas. China also have world's longest range ICBM, DF-41, with 13,000 to 15,000 km range, allowing it to literally fly over the Himalayan mountain range. China also have anti-satellite missiles that can take out Indian military satellites in space, which will hamper its coordination on the ground and put Indian army at a disadvantage. I haven't even said anything about Pakistan, except for the fact that China does business with them. If Indians want to continue to divide Asia, by fighting with Pakistan all the time, then how is Asia going to become strong again? By fighting amongst themselves? China is helping to stabilize Pakistan government and provide jobs for its people through economic corridor project and by developing Gwadar port. Pakistan is India's brother state, sharing the same history (Mughal rule, British rule, etc) right up the British India's partitioning in 1947, so why can't Pakistan claim Jammu and Kashmir region as part of its territory? From what I know, most of the people living in J & K are Muslims too.
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  158. +coolwitme1 Lets take a look at the individual goals of each East Asian countries and try to understand them. S.Korea's ultimate goal is possibly the unification of Korea. Even if it doesn't want to claim N.Korea, if N.Korea invades than S.Korea is effectively tied up for the rest of the war. Resisting N.Korea probably takes precedence over coming to the aid of other allies. Taiwan's ultimate goal is to either reclaim China or claim independence from China. It can be persuaded to defend its allies or it could try to invade China and try to destroy the CCP from within. If it chose to invade China then the defending force is split in two because it chose to invade China. China has possibly enough troops to fight a war on two fronts if the forces are not coordinated enough although its still a disadvantage. Lastly, Japan goal is probably to simply defend itself. It would probably try to restrict its limited army to defend Japan only instead of aiding its allies. Sending them away to fight the Chinese only leaves the main island vulnerable to retaliation. These views are overly-simplified but are still possible scenarios that a Chinese general can exploit. The US could persuade them to work together but it must first know the intricacies of each nation. My example with Russia was to show that the US has to approach the situation very delicately. US would also be under great pressure to aid its allies if war breaks out in East Asia. I too, think that China is unlikely to start a war but that doesn't mean we can't hypothesize what's going to happen.
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  181. Russian MiGs are sometimes known as "Flying Coffins" due to the number of crashes over the years. 1993 – two MiG-29s of the Russian Air Force collided in mid-air. 17 Oct 2008 – a MiG-29 crashed in southern Siberia. 5 Dec 2008 – a MiG-29 lost part of its tail section due to corrosion and crashed in southern Siberia. 2010 – a MiG-31 crashed in the Perm Krai. 6 Sept 2011 – a MiG-31 on a training mission crashed in the Perm Krai. 4 June 2015 – a MiG-29 fighter crashed and was completely destroyed. 5 July 2015 – a MiG-29 crashed near Krasnodarsk reportedly due to a fire onboard. 14 Nov 2016 – a Mig-29 crashed in the Mediterranean while attempting to land on aircraft carrier. The Indian Air Force also buys Russian MiGs and lost half of its pilots to deadly MiG crashes. 15 Jul 2013 – A MiG-21 crashed while landing at Uttarlai airbase. 8 Nov 2013 – A MiG-29 crashed near Jamnagar minutes after it took off. 27 May 2014 – A MIG-21 crashed in Bijbehara area of Anantnag district in Kashmir. 31 Jan 2015 – A MiG-21 crashed west of Jamnagar city on into a mangrove forest. 8 May 2015 – MiG-27 crashed in West Bengal’s Tantipara area. 24, 2015 – A MiG-21 crashed near a village in Budgam district of Jammu and Kashmir. 2016 – A MiG 27 crashed in Jodhpur, Rajasthan. There is a reason why Chinese government decided build our own jet fighters instead. I got nothing against Russian military hardware and it is thanks to Russian jets that China has the foundation necessary to manufacture fighter jets of our own.
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  206. +Tao Liu I agree that a big population requires better control over the people. Qing’s army consisted of poorly trained Han conscripts who resented Manchu rule and the British had vastly superior firearms, ships etc. However, modern PRC is much different from Qing dynasty. The PLA is trained, well-equiped modern army loyal to the CPC. China’s food source could be disrupted by war, which is why every country has emergency stockpile in case of war or disaster. China has been stockpiling rice, iron ore, barrels of oil and various other supplies. I mentioned 80% of weapons being manufactured indigenously not stockpiled, but I agree that it is not perfect and the shortfall would have to come out from allies like Pakistan. US can enforce a naval blockade, but China also does business with many other inland countries unless the US can enforce sanctions against it. Aircraft, ships and tanks take a long time to build, but China is known as the manufacturing hub of the world. China has entire manufacturing cities like Shenzhen that cater quite exclusively to building products. The CPC just needs an efficient organization of manpower to make full use of it. China also has experience in building infrastructure (which is why they build roads in Africa) so it depends on how well the US can disrupt the transport system. China’s navy is inferior, but it can make use of defensive outposts along the South China Sea as bases to support its navy and air force. Some bases have anti-aircraft gun emplacements and surface to air missiles. There are airstrips for military craft to land and refuel if needed. As for war support, I agree that it depends on how PRC’s actions are perceived. Another thing to note is that China and US economies are linked. Cutting economic ties with China would result in increased prices of products in the US, which would affect the normal livelihood of people each day. Under CPC, the whole Chinese population is ultilised for war, being assigned to factories, growing food etc. As for launching attacks, PRC’s best choice would be Taiwan. This is because PLA has already trained extensively in exercises involving an invasion of Taiwan, so it won’t take years to prepare. US may be able to send carriers to the region but I still believe the video is biased in favour of the US. Aircraft carriers are powerful, but they are vulnerable to things like a sneaky submarine torpedo or anti carrier missile. If I was a Chinese general, I would focus on sending submarines and bombers to take out the aircraft carriers because they represent the morale of the US. As for cruise missiles, China has many, many missiles pointed at Taiwan. It would be foolish to think that PRC invested so much money into these weapons without a reliable tracking system. I don’t claim to be a military expert. PRC may succeed in some areas and lose in other areas that I mentioned above. Strictly speaking, no video in Youtube will ever show PRC winning against the US because such an outcome is simply not acceptable by netizens and will only anger them and result in less views. In real life, mistakes can happen on both sides and ultimately, it depends on the number of victories and losses from both sides.
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  207. +Tao Liu I brought up the Qing dynasty in order to compare it’s army with the PLA. PLA may not be as advanced as the US, but it is still a modern army, not WW2 era. I was focusing on PLA’s attributes like loyalty to CPC and so on, not on the numbers. The US air force and Navy are indeed massive, but remember they are limited by the time it takes to deploy them to the warzone. About 40% of US navy assets are deployed in Asia, while China has close to 100% of its navy ready. In the Gulf War, the Iraq Army had more combat experience than PLA but perhaps not more sophisticated equipment. The war in Kuwait was perhaps US last known successful war, but the next wars were not so successful strategically. The US Army is equipped with all the best and latest gear they can be stymied by lightly armed insurgents that fight with their hearts not with hardware in the battles following the Gulf War. In a war, trade is risky because of possible sabotage and China will seek alternatives to naval trade. You look down on Chinese infrastructure capability but China can build roads and railways if needed during war time. During WW2, the Chinese helped build roads like Ledo road that allow supplies to enter from the West because the naval routes were blocked off. China already has a railroad linking to Russia. Russia may choose to remain neutral to the war, but it has a history of supplying weapons to countries in conflict with the US. In a war of attrition, China has self-sufficiency in food production, emergency stockpiles, 80% home manufactured weapons and possible inflow of weapons from Russia. So how much more prepared can China get? Regarding China’s manufacturing, China not only manufactures low quality products but also technology like vehicles and high speed railway trains. China’s automotive industry churns out more vehicles than the US (Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Automotive_industry#By_country) and China has the most expansive and complex high speed railway in the world. China even has hi speed rail projects in the UK to help them connect the country together. As for global arms sales, they do not reflect a country’s ability to manufacture arms for itself during war. China’s airstrip is only one of many that are possibly being built. China can quickly establish more bases in the region if needed, as shown them overtaking other bases built by other nations in the region. They may not cover the whole sea, but the SAMs and gun emplacement provide strategic cover in that region to support China’s navy. PLA has been planning possible retaking of Taiwan for many years already. PLA has many training exercises simulating an invasion of Taiwan so I doubt it would take as long as a month to prepare. PRC knows time is of the essence in this war with the US. Examples like PRC landing only 2 brigades of troops are only speculation and we won’t know how capable PLA is on invading Taiwan and how much of its forces is it willing to deploy. PRC is capitalist, but during war, the whole country literally goes to war. Chinese has this saying that translates to “Can there be a home without a country?” Chinese people know what’s at stake if they allow the US to land on Chinese soil, as all their hard work building the nation will be destroyed. Sure, some may choose to escape, but CPC would be extremely harsh on them. You can look down on Chinese submarines, but they have shown the ability to stalk US carriers a number of times from the following sources. http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2006/nov/13/20061113-121539-3317r/ http://www.popularmechanics.com/military/navy-ships/news/a18094/a-chinese-submarine-stalked-an-american-aircraft-carrier/ The submarines have demonstrated an ability to surface within torpedo range undetected from the carrier and its escorts. Sorry, but you can’t convince me that PRC’s 1000+ missiles pointed at Taiwan are all unreliable. Why would the PRC spend so much money on the missiles and train PLA in Taiwan retaking exercises if they weren’t going to deploy them at all? I’ve already said that no Youtube video will ever show China winning because nobody will think it will. In this video alone, there is hardly any reference to what China’s navy is doing. There is no point constantly telling me to refer to this video alone. You have to rely on other sources outside and make your own decision.
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  208. +Tao Liu The Gulf war was fought by a coalition but this time US may not have the same allies. Japan, S.Korea and Taiwan are China’s biggest traders after the US. For NATO allies to support they would have to go by land, through the Iraq, Iran and possibly Russia. And I keep saying “modern” because it PLA is modern, no use denying it. 40% of US navy is based on size not tonnage. US navy tonnage is unequally distributed so why would it be a comparison? If you want to compare tonnage then you should look at the locations of the aircraft carriers in the world . Why can’t PLA be both conventional and guerrilla? PLA was formed from the Communist forces fighting the Japanese and made use of guerrilla tactics to defeat the Japanese. With its size, it doesn’t need to resort to guerrilla warfare, but that does not mean it won’t use it if needed. If you want to compare conventional warfare, then the Korean war would suffice. China and US and its allies were facing off in a conventional warfare and the US were stymied and unable to achieve complete victory. You still look down on Chinese infrastructural capacity and I had already given examples of China during WW2 had no naval trade because of Japanese navy, but still built roads to receive supplies from allies. Back then China’s infrastructure was poor but now it is among the most well-connected in the world so the roads and railroads now would be much better. China has great experience building railroads and is even helping South Africa with roads so why is China’s infrastructure building so looked down upon? So if China has poor harvest in one year, it would draw upon its stockpile. If the harvest was good, there is no need to take from the stockpile and if possible, it could even store the surplus. Why do you separate these two activities from each other when China can make use of both? After US bombings, China is not stupid and will also repair the broken infrastructure. In China alone there are many, many paths to destroy so even if one road is inaccessible, China could rely on other paths to transport supplies. Like it or not, China produce 80% of its arms locally and can even import arms through landlines from Russia. Like I said, Russia may not participate in the war, but even during WW2, the Soviets and Nazis traded with each other secretly so why won’t they do the same with China? And I’ve already said what has China’s arms exports got to do with being able to produce enough locally? The fact that nations buy the weapons already shows that they aren’t of low quality. And you underestimate Chinese island building. Why then is the world so alarmed at Chinese base building? Vietnam and Philippines had bases there long before China but China’s base building is the only one in the news. Is it because of the speed it was built? The SAM and gun emplacements are only there to support the PLA N strategically in the South China Sea. PLA N is still the main fighting force. PRC’s preparation of invasion of Taiwan should not be underestimated. It will take time but PRC leaders know time is of the essence here, with the US looming on the horizon. PRC doesn’t have many amphibious assaults vehicles because Taiwan is within range of its missiles so it would most likely use ballistic missiles to soften up targets. PRC may not even use a land invasion force and will only send the PLA through air or even by sea to occupy Taiwan once the defences are down. The US civilians can prepare for war, but will the entire population support the war? US has a history of losing wars because its civilians want out of the war. Stalking still means that the Chinese submarine was able to keep pace with the Carrier. The point is also whether the US ships were able to detect the submarine before it surfaced within torpedo range. Also, which submarine travels slowly while exposed to the surface during war time? Most Chinese like it when people look down on its military capabilities. This is because of according to Sun Zi’s Art of war, you should let the army think you are weak, and let arrogance be their downfall.
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  252.  @shubhamsuryawanshi658  Indian Su30 detected China's Chengdu J-20 5th generation stealth fighter, because the J-20 was on training mission and they equipped with special "radar-reflectors" (Luneburg lens) attached to enlarge and conceal its true radar cross section during peacetime operations. Even the US Airforce equip their F-22 and F-35 with this radar reflectors during peacetime for safety and training purposes, due to the potential for accidents and identification from other aircraft or ground installations. Source: Luneburg lens: Radar reflector wikipedia.org/wiki/Luneburg_lens#Radar_reflector Of course, during actual wartime, our J-20 stealth fighters won't be equipped with this radar reflectors used during peacetime. Only 3 countries in the world have flown full-size stealth combat aircraft demonstrations and they are United States (in 1977), Russia (in 2010) and China (in 2011). Even today, only 2 countries have active stealth fighters serving operationally in our airforce and they are USA and China. Source: Stealth Aircraft wikipedia.org/wiki/Stealth_aircraft#Manned China's Type 99 or ZTZ-99 is 3rd generation battle tank that is ranked among the World's Top 10 Main Battle Tanks, with advanced features including: -a fully stabilised smoothbore gun with autoloader, capable of firing anti-tank sniper missiles, and speculated to be able to penetrate the armour of the US M1 Abrams at close range with tungsten rounds. -Composite armour hull with front portion and turret protected by explosive reactive armour that resist enemy shell penetration. -A multi-layered radar system that detects and denotates incoming enemy missiles before impact. -A laser warning receiver that warns the tank commander that the tank is being painted by hostile lasers. Source: China showcases Type 99 Battle Tank youtu.be/ktniek01Xyw Source: Top 10 Most Powerful Tanks youtu.be/M3n6q_dTjfk?t=385 And its up there with the fastest to boot, equipped with turbo-charged engine providing a maximum road speed of 50 mph (80 kph).
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  257.  @shubhamsuryawanshi658  Congratulations on India's 2019 Anti-satellite test. This comment thread was posted over 1 year ago, at the time when India had not tested any anti-satellite weapons. And the T-90 is Russian tank design, India is only granted the license to build T-90, but Russia may suddenly decide to withdraw the license. Can you explain how is India's Arjun Mk 2 better than China's Type 99 Main Battle Tank? The Arjun Mk 2 has poor firepower, their rifled 120 mm gun is inferior to the Type 99's smoothbore 125 mm cannon. Smoothbore is the way to go for modern tanks. India also dropped the LAHAT missile which is a bad move and the indigenous new missile is still being tested, leaving the lousy APFSDS round, which only has 300 mm penetrative and as compared to China's Type 99 penetration of 600 mm. Both tanks have explosive reaction armor and composites, but the Arjun Mk 2 has poorer coverage as much of the turret is uncovered as compared to the Type 99. The Type 99 is also among the world's fastest tanks, with 1500 hp engine, but only weighing 52 tonnes, while the Arjun Mk 2 has 1400 hp engine and weighs 68 tonnes. Besides, if China and India fight, it would most likely be over the Himalayas, and mountainous terrain is not as suitable for heavy tanks. As a response, China developed a Light Tank, the Type-15 which is suitable for mountainous terrain deployment like in Tibet, Donglong (Doklam) and in the Himalayas. Video: China's New Light Tank So Fast youtu.be/Fia_O_47IQk Video: China's Newest Tank, the Type 15 Makes Parade Debut youtu.be/NrQM7x5-myA On the other hand, Indian Army lacks a proper light tank to engage China on the mountainous Himalayas battlefield. Video: Indian Army shows interest in Light Tanks for defense along the border youtu.be/IljAqpDVytA
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  258.  @shubhamsuryawanshi658  Where's news about India's 6th generation fighter? China has reportedly begun 6th generation fighter development, and has made important breakthroughs in designing and developing several key components, including next-generation engine, planning to field it in the 2025–2030 time frame. Source: Sixth Generation Jet fighter wikipedia.org/wiki/Sixth-generation_jet_fighter#China The HAL Advanced Medium Combat Aircraft (AMCA) is an Indian programme to develop a fifth-generation fighter aircraft, not 6th generation. As for world's most powerful satellite, China's Gaofen 4 (高分-4), launched on December 28, 2015 from Xichang in central China, on a CZ-3B/Long March 3 rocket, to a geosynchronous orbit 22,000 miles above the Earth. Source: Gaofen 4, The World's Most Powerful GEO Spy Satellite, Continues China's Great Leap Forward Into Space popsci.com/gaofen-4-worlds-most-powerful-geo-spy-satellite-continues-chinas-great-leap-forward-into-space/ The Gaofen 4 is the world's most powerful GEO spy satellite. It has a color image resolution of slightly less than 50 meters (which is enough to track aircraft carriers by their wake at sea) and a thermal imaging resolution of 400m (good for spotting forest fires). It may also have a lower resolution video streaming capacity. Because of its round-the-clock coverage of Chinese territory and near aboard, Gaofen 4 can provide instant coverage of earthquake or typhoon hit areas to support humanitarian relief. It will also allow China to monitor strategic foreign sites such as WMD facilities and naval bases inside its observation box. China's Gaofen-5 (高分-5) is the world's first full spectrum hyperspectral satellite for environmental imaging launched into space. Video: China Launches World's First Full Spectrum Hyperspectral Satellite for Environmental Imaging youtu.be/AgYhHaNcjPc
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  259.  @shubhamsuryawanshi658  Where's India self produced combat drone? China has combat UAVs like the Caihong-5 (彩虹-5) and the Wing Loong 2 (翼龙-2) and even supersonic spy drones like the DR-8 and the Sharp Sword stealth drone (which is capable of firing air-to-ground missiles), unveiled during our 70th Anniversary National Day of the founding of the People's Republic of China. Source: China unveils supersonic spy drone during National Day military parade rehearsal scmp.com/news/china/military/article/3027534/china-unveils-supersonic-spy-drone-during-national-day-military Source: China reveals new supersonic drone washingtontimes.com/news/2019/sep/18/chinas-supersonic-dr-8-done-revealed/ Source: China Showcases Stealthier Sharp Sword Unmanned Combat Air Vehicle Configuration thedrive.com/the-war-zone/30111/china-showcases-stealthier-sharp-sword-unmanned-combat-air-vehicle-configuration And about Donglong (Doklam) it is Chinese territory, not Indian territory, so why are Indian troops doing on Chinese territory you tell me? And PLA troops are still patrolling in Donglong, whereas Indian troops have withdrawn from Donglong. Source: PLA troops patrolling Doklam to exercise sovereignty: China economictimes.com/news/defence/pla-troops-patrolling-doklam-to-exercise-sovereignty-china/articleshow/60974831.cms Source: 1,000 Chinese soldiers reportedly still in Doklam a month after border stand-off ended scmp.com/news/china/diplomacy-defence/article/2114265/1000-chinese-soldiers-reportedly-still-doklam-month
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  273. If you want to consider thousands of strategic targets in India, then why even bother to label them as "strategic" targets at all? "Strategic target" implies that out of a huge number, you pick a smaller and manageable number of targets and attack them tactically for maximum benefit, isn't it? In my opinion, strategic targets would be important cites like supply lines, fuel depots, munitions dumps, etc, not monuments like the Taj Mahal. Why does China need to completely destroy the target? What does that achieve? As long as the strategic site has been crippled enough to be unable to support Indian troops or contribute to Indian war machine, then the missiles have achieved their objective. Why focus on destroying a single target, when the main objective is to win the war? In actual warfare, the PLA won't just use MIRV capable missiles alone. An attack could possibly be combined with stealth fighter runs (by Chengdu J-20s for example) or it could be used to soften up the target before a ground attack by Type-99 tanks and infantry. Afterall, the MIRV capabilities of the DF-21 is just one of the many military options that the PLA can choose to deploy during war that's all. Just like China's anti-satellite missiles can always be deployed to take out Indian military satellites in orbit, to put Indian Navy ships and ground troops at a disadvantage without satellite support from above. All these technological implements are designed to give China an edge over India during such a war scenario. As for China's "Carrier Killer" DF-21D, there are ways of locating Indian ships in Indian Ocean, such as using Over-the-Horizon Radars. Chinese military satellites in space may be able to spot the ships, or PLAN submarines in the Indian Ocean could reveal the ships locations to the missile launchers on land.
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  274. If India mistook China's long range ballistic missile as nuclear attack, and launched a full scale nuclear retaliation, then it would be India's grave mistake to have launched a preemptive nuclear attack on China without first having been attacked by nuclear weapons from China. It would be India's fault for not first confirming that the attacks weren't made using nuclear weapons. As far as I know, Indian ATAGS are not yet in full operation. it was started in 2013 by DRDO to replace older guns in service, and took 4 years of development, yet ATAGS are still not operational in Indian Army, even in 2018. As for China, the PLA conducted live-fire exercises in Tibet using mobile artillery, howitzers, multi-launch systems, mortars, etc. according to the following video. Video:Chinese Army carries out military exercise on Tibet plateau youtube.com/watch?v=a8bNgIckr10 The Chengdu J-20 was inducted into PLA Airforce operational service in March 2017, and Chinese sources indicate about 30-40 of the fighters have been built. But of course, any military won't just give away the actual numbers of its military aircraft just like that. If you want to claim the DF-21D "Carrier Killer" is unproven, then why you just claim PAD anti ballastic missile can be modified for anti-satellite role just like that? Has your supposed Indian "anti-satellite" missile even been tested at all, like China's anti-satellite missile? Otherwise, how can you just claim India can modify its missile to be anti-satellite, without actual tests? China's testing of DF-21 has been observed and noted by military agencies of Russia and USA, so isn't there reason to believe this weapon poses a significant threat? OTH is just one of China's possibility to acquire targets, and China can always use submarines to help pinpoint the actual location of ships in Indian Ocean. PLA Navy also deployed many underwater sea drones (across South China Sea) so why can't these drones be deployed in Indian Ocean too? Speaking of drones, in mountainous combat scenario, the PLA can deploy aerial units like our very own combat UAVs, like the CaiHong-5, which has been compared to to USA's Reaper combat drone. During testing, the drone flew for about 30 hours, providing surveillance and carried missiles to engage targets, requiring little or no ground support. But India recently crashed its own Israeli-made drone in 2017 after violating Chinese airspace.
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  275. How is it a mistake on China's part, if India is the one retaliating with full scale nuclear attack? If India mistook China's long range ballistic missile as a nuclear attack, and retaliated with nukes of their own, then straightaway, India is the one preemptively launching nuclear attack on China. If other artillery systems are under acquisition by India, that means its not available for military deployment yet isn't it? And what happens if during actual wartime, the Indian army is cut off from acquiring this equipment? In China's case, we can always make more tanks, fighters, artillery guns, ammunition, drones, etc ourselves to replace losses during wartime. Chinese submarines are still present in Indian Ocean, despite all those difficulties you claim they will encounter. If you think countries won't allow Chinese submarines movement for combat role, then likewise they won't allow Indian warships movement for combat role as well isn't it? You are just speculating about PAD being Indian ASAT, then that means there is no guarantee that India's ASAT will be successful. Also, you claim India and USA will share satellites, but what makes you so sure? Is there an actual written agreement showing that USA will share its sensitive military satellite data with India? As for your sources about J-20 production, how do you know the actual numbers of China's Chengdu J-20, unless you are the actual PLA Airforce general yourself? And what makes you think J-20 are incapable of flying over the Himalayas? The J-20 stealth fighter has been spotted at Daocheng Yading in Tibet, the highest civilian airport in the world after all. Although the CH-5 has not entered service yet, earlier versions like the CH-4 are active and have been exported to Egypt, Saudi Arabia and Iraq. CH-4 is capable of firing air-to-ground missile from altitude of 5,000 meters, therefore the aircraft can stay outside of effective range of most anti-aircraft guns. It also allow CH-4 to be able to fire from a position that provides wider viewing area. Chinese submarines remain the best option for scouting out Indian warships to be targeted by DF-21. China has also been developing a new submarine-launched anti-ship cruise missile, with range of about 290 km, which would put Chinese submarines at a safe distance from most anti-submarine warfare systems. Source:China Unveils New Submarine-Launched Anti-Ship Cruise Missile thediplomat.com/2016/04/china-unveils-new-submarine-launched-anti-ship-cruise-missile/ If you claim DF-21 has not been tested against a moving target, then I can also say India' PAD being modified to become ASAT weapon has not been tested at all too. Would you prefer Indian warships to be the DF-21D's first target? The DF-21 has undergone extensive testing outside of any combat situation to get to where it is today, wheres India's ASAT capabilities have not progressed at all.
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  276. If India mistook China's DF-41 for a nuclear attack, then again, it is India's grave mistake, not China. Look at North Korea has been testing missiles (some of them flying over Japanese mainland) but nobody every mistook that as a nuclear attack and retaliate with full scale nuclear assault on N. Korea. China has demonstrated anti-satellite capabilities in 2007, and India has not yet, so why do you think China won't take out Indian Army satellites in space? If you are quoting the militarization of space treaty, then the treaty does not prohibit the placement of conventional weapons in orbit and thus some highly destructive attack strategies such as kinetic bombardment are still potentially allowable. If its a real war between China and India, I see no reason why China is not allowed to destroy Indian military satellites in space. Its impossible to know the exact figure of how many Chengdu J-20 are present in PLA Airforce, unless you are the PLA General himself. Also, J-20 is not just been conceived in a single year, it has already been in the works for many years, and since it is being prep to enter actual service, it could be possible that multiple aircraft were in production years before the J-20 being deployed into active service. Who knows except for the commander of PLA? Also, wasn't a J-20 spotted in Tibetan airport, indicating that the aircraft is at least capable of flying over Tibet to the Himalayas? China has advanced artillery of our own. China's PLZ-05 self propelled howitzer ranks among the Top 10 Howitzers in the world, together with PLZ-52 (which is export version). China's Multi Launch Rocket Systems (MLRS) are also consistently among the world's Top 10, such as SR-5, AR-3 and WS-2D, as shown in the following videos. In my personal opinion, I would say China's level of artillery support is possibly more advanced than India's. Video:Top 10 Self Propelled Howitzer in the World 2017 youtube.com/watch?v=AQBcIRwg2fg Video:Top 10 MLRS In The World 2017 youtube.com/watch?v=66ETMGNrh98 You appear to underestimate the stealth capabilities of Chinese submarines, which have been moving undetected and spreading out all over the world's seas and oceans. Back in 2007, a Chinese submarine surfaced while in a middle of a US Navy exercise, involving the US carrier, USS Kitty Hawk. Apparently, the Chinese submarine was undetected, and managed to surface within torpedo range of the aircraft carrier. But if Chinese submarines have anti-ship cruise missiles like shown in my previous source, then there will be no need to come so close to the aircraft carrier before opening fire.
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  277. +Kunal Varshney North Korean missiles have flown over Japanese airspace before, but it has not been retaliated with full scale nuclear attack, so why do you still claim China's long range ballistic missile with be mistaken for nuclear attack by India? I mean, isn't this your own speculation on India's part? How can you prove India will mistake China's long range missile launch as nuclear attack and retaliate with nukes of its own? If China is at war with India, why would China not consider deploying anti satellite missiles? The benefit to China are many, and under the militarization of space, nuclear weapons are prohibited, but not conventional weapons. The PLA Airforce would not have pressed J-20 into service, if there isn't any significant numbers of it to be fielded during actual war. Otherwise, why press the J-20 into service if it isn't ready for actual deployment yet? The J-20 is also capable of landing on Tibetan airport, so why do you claim that it can't fly over Himalayas? So if you claim Chinese submarines need permission to pass through South East Asia straits, then won't Indian warships need permission to be there as well? And why do you think there is only one route through to Indian ocean? Brahmos missile is unable to target submerged submarines, so how much of a threat is it at all to Chinese submarines? Our subs can also be equipped with anti ship cruise missiles that can be launched while being safely out of range of many anti-submarine weapons. The thing about artillery, armor and other military hardware is that during wartime, China can always make more tanks, howitzers, fighters, drones, ammunition and equipment to replace losses. But India has to import weapons and ammunition from foreign countries like USA and Russia. If these countries suddenly decide to raise prices of their wares, India still has no choice but to buy their weapons from them.
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  278. MickeyG Shooting down satellites in space is exceedingly difficult yes, which is why only three countries have achieved it thus far. But it is not altogether impossible, as demonstrated by China, Soviet Union and USA. Whether Indian Army relies on it or not, taking out Indian military satellites in space will deny them strategic satellite surveillance from the ground. During war, China will make use of such options if the benefits outweigh the costs. As for taking out Indian carriers, it offers strategic value in numerous ways. It boosts Chinese morale, while lowering India's, it shows that China's anti ship missile are effective, but if it fails, then it provides valuable data for Chinese military to improve on its design. Like the other guy said, the DF-21d has never been tested on a moving target, so won't this be an excellent opportunity to test it? If the DF-21 really lives up to its name, then it will also send a strong signal to other countries with aircraft carriers of their own, like USA, telling them that China is capable of targeting their aircraft carriers. Even if Indian aircraft carriers keep away from the shores, I have shown that Chinese submarines have submarine launched anti ship cruise missiles that could pose a threat to US carriers. Now instead of Taj Mahal, you are talking about Mumbai? Why not aim for real strategic targets like supply lines, fuel depots and ammunition dumps instead? Just like why do you bother calling it strategic sites when you considered thousands of sites earlier? Exactly how is it being strategic when you are considering thousands of sites as tactical targets?
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  279. +Kunal Varshney Why is comparing NK with case of China laughable? Didn't Akin Khoo mentioned earlier that NK is technically still at war with the Allies? If India mistook China's long range ballistic missile as a nuclear attack, and retaliates with full scale nuclear assault, then it would be Indian's grave mistake to have attacked a country with nukes, without being attacked with it first, isn't it? I mean, its India's own fault for not noticing that it wasn't a nuclear assault, isn't it? About Chengdu J-20, you mentioned earlier that "producing 30 fighters in a 1st year is impossible...china have not yet set enough facilities for that...wait i will quote you articles regarding that..." and it has been sometime, yet you still haven't quoted me articles regarding that. Yet you now want me to provide source on J-20, when you haven't quoted me sources like you said you would? If you claim J-20 can't fly over Himalayas, then why was the J-20 photographed at Daocheng Yading airport in Tibet, which is the world's highest altitude civilian airport then? I am talking about Indian warships in the straits, not in South China Sea. They also will need permission from those countries if they want to be there to intercept Chinese submarines, isn't it? Why you think Chinese submarines (which are stealthily submerged) will need permission, when it is the clearly visible Indian warships located in the straits that will attract attention here? You think this video alone is enough to justify all entry routes? There is the 3rd option which longer and require more supplies, but China also has a submarine base in Djibouti to resupply Chinese submarines making the long trip. There are even plans to build another submarine base near Gwadar Port in Pakistan too. India may be able to import advanced weaponry from Russia and USA, but they will be subject to market prices, and the deliveries may take time to reach India. Also, India is unable to produce important components of some of its heavier military equipment. And the Indian ASAT capabilities have not been realized yet so far. And how can you prove that USA will be willing to share its sensitive military satellite data with India? Is there a written agreement stating that USA is willing to share satellite data with Indian military?
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  280. +Kunal Varshney North Korea launched a missile directly at Japanese mainland, and you still want to ask what China will do if India launches Agni V towards China? Did North Korea get retaliated by full scale nuclear weapons? No it didn't, so why assume China will react like India and retaliate with full scale nuclear weapon? Why you assume India will retaliate with full scale nuclear weapon then? This point is brought up by you, so why don't you prove it yourself first that India will retaliate with nukes? The engine problems have largely been solved with the development of WS-15 engines, and the J-20 is still able to climb to Tibetan airport. As for production Here is a Chinese news article indicating that 15 new models have emerged. The sensitive nature of stealthfighters means that the PLA will not tell the public how many of such aircraft are at the PLA Airforce disposal. Source:mil.news.sina.com.cn/jssd/2017-06-14/doc-ifyfzfyz3941865.shtml India owns the water outside the strait? How exactly? You still need permission from those South East Asia countries if you want Indian warships to pass close to their waters. The Nicobar and Andaman Islands are wide, and Chinese subs have greater chance of sneaking through. Also, I did mention that China has submarine base located in Djibouti, so how many more are hidden throughout the oceans to resupply submarines passing through to the Indian Ocean? Its your opinion that you believe in your submarine detection capabilities. Then I should also be able to believe in the stealthiness of Chinese submarines, since they have been demonstrated to be able to surface in the middle of US Navy exercise (seemingly undetected) and within torpedo range of the USS Kitty Hawk aircraft carrier. You mean you can just discount a war of attrition between India and China and claim that it is out of this debate? Besides basic fighting equipment and advanced weaponry, China will most definitely deploy aerial units in mountainous combat scenario, such as our combat UAVs like CaiHong-3 and Caihong-4 (perhaps CaiHong-5 as well). These UAVs are unmanned, and even if destroyed there is no lost of Chinese lives in their destruction, so PLA soldiers can continue to enjoy our numerical advantage in the battle field. About ASAT, as far as I know, US and India did not sign any agreement regarding sharing satellite intelligence. Even if India agrees, will USA agree to share its satellite information with India, since India is also Russian ally as well? China not only has short range missiles, but missiles like DF-21 can also be deployed for land use. The DF-21 flies high above the stratosphere and has guidance system to help avoid anti-missile defenses and adjust its course. During reentry, the DF-21 is capable of achieving hypersonic speeds of up to Mach 10 or 10 times the speed of sound, in order to hit a target. Video:China DF-21D Anti-Ship Ballistic Missile youtube.com/watch?v=p-cEunmqXM8
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  282. Kunal Varshney You ask others to go ask experts, but are you even an expert yourself? Then how can you claim India will retaliate with full blown nuclear weapons, just because China launch long range missile? The North Korea is a recognized nuclear state, so what makes you think they are incapable of deploying nuclear warheads? NK is also still technically at war with South Korea and USA because no peace treaty has been signed. What makes you think Japan and NK don't have any previous history of war? During WW1 and WW2 period, Korea was under Japanese occupation for 35 years yet you still claim they have have no previous history of war? When did I "start claiming since japan didnt intercept NK missiles why india will try to intercept chinese missile" I never said anything about India trying to intercept Chinese missiles or not, all I am saying is whether India will retaliate with full blown nukes if China launches long range missile. You asked me earlier that "if india launches agni 5 towards china..will china assume it to be nuclear armed or conventionally armed" and I answered it by saying NK was not retaliated by nukes, even after launching a long range missile at Japan. I mean, this whole point is brought up by you, isn't it? So why don't you prove it yourself first that India will retaliate with nukes? I have already described a real scenario in which a long range missile launched into foreign airspace, did not trigger a nuclear retaliation. The burden of proof lies on you here to prove India will retaliate with nukes.
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  283. Ashutosh Kumar Why are you certain that long range missiles won't be used? Even North Korea clearly launched a long range missile reaching Japanese islands, so what makes you think China won't do the same? Even if no warheads are deployed, launching long range missile will help test its range and its ability to reach targets isn't it? I have demonstrated that China has plenty of other assets besides ICBM. China has DF-21D "Carrier Killer" which can be used to target warships at sea, from the safety of the land. If it does manage to sink a carrier, it will be a tremendous morale boost for PLA, (and lower Indian morale) and it will also send a message to US carriers that China's DF-21D works. Even if it fails, it will provide valuable data for us to improve our missile capabilities. China also has numerous submarines that can help spot and paint targets for DF-21 deployment. Chinese submarines also can be equipped with submarine-launched anti-ship cruise missile, possibly posing a danger to US carrier strike groups, while putting Chinese submarines at a safe distance from most anti-submarine warfare systems. In mountainous combat scenario, China can deploy aerial units like our very own domestically made combat UAVs, such as Caihong-3, Caihong-4 and possibly even Caihong-5. The drones will provide valuable reconnaissance and are slightly more difficult to detect on radar, while being capable of equipping and firing air-to-ground missiles to engage targets. Even if they are destroyed, no PLA soldiers lives are lost, and it frees up the PLA soldiers to perform other urgent tasks elsewhere. Did I already mention that China has anti-satellite capabilities, and can theoretically take out Indian military satellites in space to put Indian ground troops at disadvantage without satellite comms and coordination? There is a possibility of a draw yes, but even in this simulation, China still has a marginal victory, due to many factors that I have provided recently. Even if its a draw, it will boost PLA's combat experience as well as act as a testing bed for all the new technologies. But in my opinion it is unlikely to be draw, and even the simulation agrees that China will have acquired some new territory.
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  326. Tibet was part of China since 800 years ago, when Mongolians conquered both Tibet and Song dynasty China, and made Tibet part of Yuan dynasty. Tibet broke free of China in 1911, but was reincorporated back in 1951, and under Chinese government, Tibetan lives have improved tremendously. For example, mountainous Tibetan soil is infertile, and the serfs struggle to feed the population and the 5% elite slave owners. Starvation was commonplace, crime was punished by torture and mutilation, even by skinning. There is Tibetan drum called damaru that make use of human slave skulls, human skin and using human bone for the drumstick. But under Chinese government, Tibet's population grew from 1.14 million in 1951, to around 3 million today, triple its size today. This is because food can now be imported from the mainland to feed Tibetans. As far as I know, Tibet's population is 90% Tibetan and about 6% Han Chinese, so how is the ethnic local populations being replaced? Han Chinese settle in Tibet to help build roads and infrastructure like railways, such as Qinghai railway (world's highest elevation railway) going through difficult mountainous terrain with low oxygen environments, so that the normally isolated Tibet is connected with rest of the world. Source:Tibet's population was 1.14 million in 1951. is.china-embassy.org/eng/zt/ChinasTibet/t427565.htm If you don't "re-educate" the Kashmir people, then how will the people of Kashmir ever feel like they are part of India? The Kashmir people feel alienated by Indians, and Indian Army can just commit atrocities like rape on Muslim women, without retribution. The Indian Army still has to deal with separatists issue, just like PLA in Tibet as well, and abuse the Armed Forces (Special Powers) Act that protect Indian higher-ups from persecution by rape victims. India is the world's largest democracy, but what exactly has it done for India at all? But China is even worst, since we are communist country, and automatically doomed to fail, isn't it? Jai Hind! Please rescue poor Chinese from our own government here!
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  327. Like I said, Tibet was made part of China since 800 years by Mongolians (and also later by the Manchu people) so why are you blaming Han Chinese, when it was Mongolians and Manchu people that made Tibet part of China? You claim Tibetans are violently disagreeing with this, but where is your evidence? Only small minority of Tibetans in Tibet have separatist ideals, but other than that, the Tibetans have largely accepted Chinese sovereignty. You mean just because a few separatists from India, in Kashmir or North East India want to break away from India, means the all those states want independence? What is your logic here? As for opium, yes, during the 19th century, the British wanted to continue drinking our tea, but had nothing that Chinese people wanted in return, so British waged two blood wars and forced Chinese people to buy opium from them at gunpoint, which we didn't want because it made us sick and was poisoning our people, turning us into dogs of the West. But today, China is no dog of the West anymore. Modern China was built by sweat, blood, tears and sacrifice of Chinese people to turn China from dirt-poor, starving and wartorn country, into an economic power, protected by world's largest land army, the PLA, and potential rival to USA. 30 years ago, nobody expected Communist China to ever succeed or to participate in global activities. After the Soviet Union collapse, many people assumed China will be next. But China didn't fall and instead became an economic juggernaut today and a global player of world politics. You can hardly go through the day's news without any mention of China at all, since China now has such a large global presence. But what of India? Is India still a doing the bidding of the West? You want to talk about human spirit, then Chinese people have worked hard to get to where we are to day, building infrastructure, working long hours at sweatshops, earning only a pittance over years to get to where we are today. You and the Western media keep saying "This will be China's downfall" but China is still here and growing stronger everyday, so who is the ignorant one here? I mean, you still haven't produced any evidence of the human rights violations against the Ugyhurs at all, whereas I have shown the rape that is going on in Kashmir on Muslim women. Yet you still said previously: "Exactly. That's why I don't understand why Muslims hate India and support China."
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