Comments by "神州 Shenzhou" (@Shenzhou.) on "Anti-China protesters march in Hong Kong" video.

  1. If the British had fully returned their Chinese colony of Hong Kong back to China, then why is Hong Kong even presumed to be granted autonomy in the first place? In 19th century, the British colonial powers stole Hong Kong from China after two bloody wars, so if Hong Kong is to be returned to China, then shouldn't it be returned fully? Not halfway here and there?
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  2. Hong Kong was part of China long before Britain become powerful. During 19th century, the British wanted to continue drinking Chinese tea, but China did not want to sell it to them, so the British waged two bloody wars with China, and forced us to buy opium from them at gunpoint, which we didn't want because it made us sick and was poisoning our people. After the war, Chinese port cities like Shanghai were forced open to act as drug distribution hubs to spread the addiction throughout rest of China. It was during this period, that Hong Kong was taken from China to act in a similar fashion. Once Britain renounced its rule over its former colonies, shouldn't Hong Kong be rightfully returned to Chinese mainland then?
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  3. TEJAS TAMBAT How are Hong-Kong people different from Chinese? Cantonese is Chinese dialect, just like Mandarin, so you mean they are different because they speak different dialect of Chinese? India has over 1,000 different dialects but they are still considered Indians isn't it? And what has Tiananmen incident even got to do with Hong Kong? Hong-Kong and China follow the One China, Two Systems policy so what's Tiananmen issue got to do with this? What makes you think Hong-Kong wants freedom at all? Hong Kong was part of China since Qing dynasty and still relies on the China for power and electricity, as well as for economic trade. If Hong-Kong become independent, it means that they need to train own army, navy and airforce, because PLA is not going to protect them. Do you even know about this China-HK relations at all? Or with Tibet and Taiwan for that matter?
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  4. TEJAS TAMBAT Why you just assume that people are communist propaganda like that? Cantonese is separate dialect from Mandarin, but they are still classified under Chinese language. And India suffer separatist movements in Kashmir and North East Indian provinces too. Why don't you explain how Tiananmen Square Incident is related to Hong Kong then, since you know so much about it? So because your HK friends tell you they want freedom, means all of HK's 7,000,000 people want independence? I have already outlined in detail how HK is dependent on China for power, electricity and protection, so in what makes you think HK can survive without China? Most HK people have jobs and family in the mainland which is why many prefer to remain with China. You claim the whole world knows about HK and China relations? Then why doesn't the UN countries mention HK or even Tibet issue to China's face during all those UN summits and meetings? President Trump currently acknowledges One China policy, that Taiwan is part of China. Trump is willing to recognize Jerusalem as part of Israel (much to Palestinians dismay) but he isn't willing to recognize HK, Tibet or even Taiwan independence.
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  5. TEJAS TAMBAT Why don't you claim that you people are under Western propaganda then? Cantonese is Chinese dialect just like Mandarin, so why are you treating it like a different language altogether? To you, everyone else is brainwashed is that it? Even people of Kashmir? The Indian Army is continuing to rape Muslim women in Kashmir even till today with impunity, so why would they want to be part of India? North East India has separatists movements in Tripura and Manipur, but you just refuse to face reality that's all. When did I associate India's movements with Tiananmen incident? And in Hong Kong, it was HK authorities that deal with protestors so what has that got to do with Tiananmen at all? The PLA are not involved in HK protests. The Umbrella Movement is consist of only about 100,000 participants, mostly HK students and graduates who can't find jobs, so what makes you think it represent the views of all 7,000,000 HK citizens? Those students are idealistic and live in textbooks with lots of free time, so they can gather to protest, but those working adult people with families to support, aren't interested so they ignore these protestors. HK electrical grid is interconnected with the China Southern Power Grid of Mainland China, importing 23% of its total electricity needs from generating facilities with CLP's equity situated in the mainland. So how is HK even independent of China electrically? And HK doesn't even have an army, a navy and an airforce of its own, so how do you even expect HK to become independent here? What about HK water supply? HK import water from China all the time, but China never exercised the "water weapon" in our relationship with Hong Kong. You don't even think of HK real situation here. Trump recognize One-China policy, as does India, Russia, UK, Europe, and many of the world's major countries. Go ask US President Trump, Russian President Vladmir Putin, Indian PM Narendra Modi, German Chancellor Angela Merkel, etc whether they acknowledge One-China policy, and they will say yes. Since you claim UN resolution that No country can directly interfere in another country's internal matter, means that you recognize HK, Tibet, Taiwan are all internally part of China, isn't it?
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  6. +TEJAS TAMBAT Not once did you even acknowledged that "Cantonese is Chinese dialect" at all in your previous comments. You clearly didn't said "Cantonese might be Chinese dialect" at all in your previous comments so why are you mocking my use of English language when you can't even read what your wrote previously? Who is the laughingstock here when your English standard is not even good enough to mock other people? Wikipedia is still a source that draws upon other sources for information. If sources are untrue or unverified than Wikipedia will remove it. What about the Kunan Poshspora incident occurred on February 23, 1991, when the Indian army raped up to 150 people on Kunan and Poshpora? This source is written by Indian so what do you have to say about that? Source: Politics of rape in Kashmir thehindu.com/opinion/lead/lead-article-politics-of-rape-in-kashmir/article6909603.ece#! It was precisely during IPKF intervention in Sri Lanka during its civil war, that the mass raping of Sri Lankan women occurred. Even your 1989 Valvettithurai massacre source said that this period also saw huge loss of civilian life, claimed rapes and number of instances of mass massacres, so why do you keep denying the rapes? The following articles highlights the plight of women as victims of Indian Army. Source: The wounds of war indianexpress.com/article/lifestyle/books/the-wounds-of-war/ Those aren't examples of PLA troop raping HK, Taiwan or Tibetans. The PLA troop that raped Vietnamese has been dismissed from PLA and punished according to Chinese laws. And the soldiers in PAP were sadly Tibetans themselves. These are all isolated cases done by individuals with single witnesses, unlike the mass rape crimes committed by the Indian Army openly, with multiple witnesses. Mao's Great Leap Forward has been openly criticised by the communist party, and Mao Zedong even made self-criticism himself and stepped down from being state chairman. Those people weren't intentionally massacred, instead they died due to unfortunate mass famine caused by the Great Chinese Famine in 1959, which was partially due to the poor weather. According to the following source, China's population in 1950 was 598,574,241 and in 1960 it was 644,450,173, so are you saying that during GLF, China's population fell by 40 million, but grew by 80 million afterwards? Source: Population of China 1950 populationpyramid.net/china/1950/ I have shown that at the most 100,000 HK people protested during umbrella movement. Otherwise, what is the exact figure you claim then? No where does it show that all 7,000,000 HK people participated in the umbrella movement, so how can you claim all HK people agree with the movement then? According to your source, the movement is considered very much a student movement, so does it represent the working HK adult or the ones married with kids and working in HK? Students live in textbooks and tend to be idealistic in nature, without knowledge of ongoing world events. Once these students graduate, find jobs, find an apartment to settle down, then they will finally understand what makes the world go round. I have shown that HK depends on the mainland for water, gas, electricity, and as a market to export and import goods, as well as on the PLA for protection. There are of course many other factors to consider if HK wants full independence (such as having enough food to feed its population, etc) What makes you think India or USA will even ally with Hong Kong then? India recognize Tibet and Taiwan as part of China, so it means it will ally with Hong Kong against China? Right now, Hong Kong enjoys loans from the Chinese mainland at much lower interest than India, so why would it want to break its loans with China for India's? How do you know HK has allies like Vietnam, Philippines, etc? If HK has small army, then it will be unable to defend itself from all those countries. I mean, Singapore can survive because it has one of the most advanced army in South East Asia to deter invaders. For HK to survive it will also need a strong enough army. In the HK army, who will form the troops? HK students will have to enlist in the army, which will undoubtedly be as unpopular as when Singapore enlist its soldiers. And where does HK even get the money to afford all these new tanks, fighter jets and ships themselves, if their economy is in a slump? -US President Trump has affirmed One-China Policy, meaning they recognize Taiwan as part of China. -The Tibetan government in exile is currently not recognized by any country, including its host country India. -ROC is still no longer a recognized UN member as agreed upon by UN members themselves. I think you are the one who don't know how the UN system work. Those 3 points above are agreed upon by UN members including USA, UK, Russia, France, Germany and even India, and so far, none of the UN members appear willing to change the above points. You can ask Donald Trump, Vladimir Putin, Narendra Modi, Angela Merkel, etc, what their country's stance towards HK, Taiwan, Tibet, Xinjiang, etc and they will publicly say that those are Chinese territories.
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  7. +TEJAS TAMBAT You never did acknowledge that "Cantonese is Chinese dialect" so why are you claiming that you did it since the first comment? Your didn't even mention "dialect" at all in your sentences so how is that acknowledgement at all? Why are you resorting to insulting me with derogatory terms? I don't insult you or mock your use of English, so why are you doing such things to me? Wikipedia is still sources its information from various different sources that have strict guidelines, so its often as reliable as any other source on the Internet. If the article doesn't meet the criteria, its simply taken down from the website that's all. Regarding Kunan Poshpora incident, Human Rights organizations including Human Rights Watch have said that the number of raped women could be as high as 150, so why are you claiming that it is totally a hoax when it isn't? Although the Indian government′s investigations into the incident rejected the allegations as "baseless," international human rights organizations have expressed serious doubts about the integrity of these investigations and the manner in which they were conducted. Source: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kunan_Poshpora_incident About IPKF rape in Sri Lanka, here is another article, claiming that IPKF who conducted peacekeeping operations in Sri Lanka between 1987 and 1990, had raped several Tamil women while also killing Tamil's, claiming that there is evidence for that. Source: Sri Lankan minister accuses Indian Peace Keeping Force of rape during LTTE war dnaindia.com/india/report-sri-lankan-minister-accuses-indian-peace-keeping-force-of-rape-during-ltte-war-2032121 The Tibetan Nun clearly said that they were Tibetan soldiers. She also said it was the PAP, not the PLA too. What famine in 1949? Mao Zedong founded People's Republic of China in 1949, and the famine only started in 1959 so why are you blaming Mao solely for this famine, when it was also partially due to the weather? Mao Zedong can't control the weather to make it good for crops so why are you blaming him for bad weather during that period? The communist party has long acknowledged Great Leap Forward failure and Chinese people can read about GLF on Baidu (Chinese Wikipedia) Here you can access Baidu and read about GLF and Chinese people in the mainland can also access Baidu to read about GLF. Baidu: Great Leap Forward (translated) https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=zh-CN&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&u=https%3A%2F%2Fbaike.baidu.com%2Fitem%2F%25E5%25A4%25A7%25E8%25B7%2583%25E8%25BF%259B%2F228533&edit-text=&act=url You haven't given exact figure for HK Umbrella Movement, except that it is only started by non-working, just graduated students, who know nothing of the real world, and only interested in idealistic views imposed on them by their textbooks. The rest of 7,000,000 HK people are still going about their daily lives, not following the students and protesting. According to the following source, Hong Kong electrical grid is interconnected with the China Southern Power Grid of Mainland China. Hong Kong imports 23% of its total electricity needs from generating facilities with CLP's equity situated in the mainland. Source: Electricity sector in Hong Kong en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electricity_sector_in_Hong_Kong Actually, China is the world's largest agricultural exporter, supplying most of the world with vegetables and agricultural produce. China has the worlds largest pig farms and sheep farms. Our fishing industry makes up 2/3 of the world, and in aquaculture, our fish farms form 1/3 of the world's fish farms. As for India, India has a Global Hunger Index of 31.4 (serious) compared to China's 7.5 (low) so why don't India focus on feeding its population first? What has South China Sea suddenly got to do with Hong Kong now? Hong Kong has nothing to do with SCS issues. According to the following source, China's central bank interest rate is 1.75% wherea's India's is 10.01%. Source: List of countries by central bank interest rates en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_central_bank_interest_rates You have no evidence of Vietnam and Philippines being enemies of China. During his visit to Beijing, Philippines President Duterte was received in full military honors befitting that of a president. So what's the point of HK training its own army like Singapore, when it can be under the protection of PLA then? Singapore still relies on other countries to protect it, so would HK allocate resources and manpower to build an army of its own, when it can rely on PLA? The Central Tibetan Administration is not even recognized by its host country India, or USA, UK, Russia, France, etc. Those countries instead recognize China's sovereignty over Tibet. ROC was kick out of UN in 1971, and many major UN countries today recognize the One-China Policy that Taiwan is part of China. Why don't you get the world leaders to bring up Issue of Tibet or Taiwan or Hong Kong, etc during UN meetings? UN countries today can bring up Rohigya crisis with Myanmar/Burma, but not discuss Tibet with China? Look at US president Trump, he is willing to recognize Jerusalem as capital of Israel (to Palestine's dissatisfaction) but he is unwilling to recognize Tibet or Taiwan or HK?
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  8. TEJAS TAMBAT Clearly you never said "Cantonese might be Chinese dialect" at all, so why are you claiming to have acknowledged it when you clearly didn't? Everyone can see that you fail to acknowledge this statement at all. I have read your comments multiple time and not once did you even mention that you acknowledge "Cantonese might be Chinese dialect" so why are you mocking my use of English? Do I insult you with derogatory terms like "bigot" or mock your English, just because your views are different from mine? Wikipedia draws its information from various real sources, not just Chinese ones like you claim. If an article of "Indian army rape" is proven to be false, then Wikipedia will take such articles down. Here is another article about Kunan Poshpora rape by Indian Army. In March 2013, motivated by them, 50 Kashmiri women from different walks of life had filed a Public Interest Litigation (PIL) petition demanding the re-opening of the case, but Indian Army is consistently denying the case from being reopened for investigations. Source: Kunan Poshpora: A forgotten mass-rape case of 2 Kashmir villages hindustantimes.com/india/kunan-poshpora-a-forgotten-mass-rape-case-of-2-kashmir-villages/story-1rmD1TqawPnMMB11LQzgyJ.html You keep dismissing IPKF atrocities in Sri Lanka, then what about Jaffna hospital massacre where the Indian Army killed 60-70 patients and staff? What about the 1989 Valvettiturai massacre where approximately 64 minority Sri Lankan Tamil civilians were killed by soldiers belonging to the IPKF? 1989 Valvettiturai massacre en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1989_Valvettiturai_massacre Jaffna hospital massacre en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jaffna_hospital_massacre The Tibetan nun clearly said that there were Tibetan soldiers, shouting that she was "Dalai’s running dog and that she betrayed our great nation". The Great Chinese Famine was caused by natural disasters. In July 1959, the Yellow River flooded in East China killing, either through starvation from crop failure or drowning, an estimated 2 million people, so how you expect Mao Zedong to stop the river from flooding? In 1960, an estimated 60% of agricultural land in northern China received no rain at all, so how can you blame Mao for not making it rain? Mao is just a man without any control over the weather conditions. You claim the GLF killed 45 million people over 4 years? From 1958 to 1962? According to the following source, China's population in 1955 was 598,574,241 and in 1960 it was 644,450,173. So you mean China's population reduced by 45 million after GLF, but grew by 45.8 million afterwards? Western media is only exaggerating the death toll to suit its anti-communist propaganda that's all. Source: Population of China 1950 populationpyramid.net/china/1950/ You claim 1.3 million HK people turnout during the Umbrella Movement, but that is still 18% of the country. A whopping 82% of HK population did not support the Umbrella Movement, so again, why are you claiming 7,000,000 HK people supported the movement then? Hong Kong still depends on 23% of its power from China. That is approximately one quarter of its power needs, so what makes you think it can independently generate all of its power very easily? China still exports more agricultural produce than India, according to your source. In 2014, China has world's largest pig farms at 474.1 million which is almost half of the world's entire pig stocks of 986.6 million. China is also world's larges producer of sheep, at 146.5 million heads followed by Australia at 101.1 million and India at 62.1 million. In the fishing industy, the top producing countries were the People's Republic of China (excluding Hong Kong and Taiwan), Peru, Japan, the United States, Chile, etc. Source: Pig Farming en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pig_farming According to World Bank, rates of malnutrition among India’s children are almost five times more than in China, and twice those in Sub-Saharan Africa. Why don't Indians work on feeding their country's children first and working on lowering their Global Hunger Index of 31.4 (serious)? China's GHI is only 7.5 (low) so which is the more serious issue here? Source: Helping India Combat Persistently High Rates of Malnutrition worldbank.org/en/news/feature/2013/05/13/helping-india-combat-persistently-high-rates-of-malnutrition Again, what has Hong Kong's location near South China Sea got to do with this topic? Since when does USA even make phone calls to China on HK? SCS is an issue between China and our neighbors, not HK (which is part of China). I have shown Chinese bank interest rates to be lower than that of India's bank interest rates. Whereas your source for Indian banks' interest rates being as low as you claim? You are the one claiming Vietnam and Philippines will somehow "support" HK against China so where's your proof? China shipped our own weapons such as guns and sniper rifles to Philippines to help them combat the radical extremists hiding out in their islands. Duterte thanks ‘good friend’ China as it donates weapons for Philippine Islamist fight scmp.com/news/asia/southeast-asia/article/2100504/duterte-thanks-good-friend-china-it-donates-weapons Singapore has many regional enemies/competitors like Indonesia, Malaysia, etc so it still has to rely on USA for defense, despite having its own army. What makes you think HK will be happy without PLA? Without PLA for protection, means HK citizens have to serve in their army, they have to purchase weapons like tanks, fighter jets, warships, etc, meaning their economy will be adversely affected. They would still have to make good relations with China to depend on PLA for protection, so why bother creating an army of their own? Having no army frees up manpower and resources to concentrate on its economy. Tibet is autonomous region of China, as recognized by USA, UK, France, Russia, India, etc. When you draw the map of China, Tibet is regarded as part of China. Nobody draws the map of People's Republic of China without Tibet. ROC matter was raised in 2007, but the United Nations has rejected Taiwan's latest application to become a member of the world body, citing the organization's adherence to the "one China" policy and its recognition of the Chinese government in Beijing. Source: UN rejects Taiwan application for entry nytimes.com/2007/07/24/world/asia/24iht-taiwan.1.6799766.html?_r=0 According to the above source, Taiwan's UN bid was roundly condemned by China and also opposed by the United States, so since when does USA support ROC's bid at all? President Trump has not brought up any discussion about Tibet, HK or Taiwan with China (all Trump ever talks about is North Korea) so again, what makes you think world leaders are even discussing Tibet, HK or Taiwan? Where's your proof?
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  9. TEJAS TAMBAT You are the one claiming you said "Cantonese are Chinese dialect" in your first comment but you clearly never said those words so why are you pretending to have acknowledged this statement at all? You never even mentioned "dialect" at all, until I pointed out "Cantonese is Chinese dialect" so how come you suddenly acknowledged it without any indication at all? All this arguing about that phrase, it still shows that Cantonese is Chinese dialect so why are you claiming that they want to separate the dialect and language? Where's your proof that they want to separate their language? Wikipedia is public and therefore, can be updated with information from all walks of life, not just from Pakistan sources, Chinese sources, or Indian sources, so what makes it unreliable then? People are free to change it when an article does not meet Wikipedia's criteria. What makes you think no evidence was uncovered in Kunan Poshpora incident? According to following source, there are examples of "torn hymens" and other such incriminating evidence, but the Indian army just dismiss everything and ignore everything the rape victims claim. If Indians distrust Kashmiri people so much, then why do they still want to claim Jammu & Kashmir as part of India then? Why not give it to Pakistan then? Source: Unravelling a ‘mass rape’ thehindu.com/opinion/op-ed/unravelling-a-mass-rape/article4892195.ece#! Even according to your first source, a dozen of the women of just these two villages have had hysterectomies performed within a short period of their ordeal. the psychological trauma is even more than the physical one, and the raped victims were quietly married off to relatives or in distant villages as no one was willing to wed them in the area. Only people like you and the Indian Army are continuing to dismiss such claims. Sri Lankan Security forces may have participated in rape of Tamil women, but that does not mean IPKF is clean either. According to Amnesty International Report: “Several dozen Tamil women, some of whom needed hospital treatment, testified that they were raped by IPKF personnel. A local magistrate in the north reportedly found the IPKF had been responsible for seven cases of rape in December.” - Amnesty International Annual Report, 1988 for period January to December 1987 Source: Investigate Indian War Crimes in Sri Lanka: Rape of Tamil Women sinhalanet.net/investigate-indian-war-crimes-in-sri-lanka-rape-of-tamil-women The Tibetan nun clearly mentioned several times in her comment that Tibetan soldiers themselves mocked her for following Dalai Lama. According to the source your provided, the Tibetan nuns were beaten by women, not the PLA. Also, your source has inconsistencies, such as women designated to "feed pigs" died of starvation, and that only 4 out of 100 women assigned this chore survived? Where is your evidence for accusing PLA of raping Muslim women in Xinjiang then? The Yellow River flooding and the drought occurred on different years altogether, so whats so confusing about my post to label it propaganda? Weather still played a part in the Great Chinese Famine, so what makes you think it has to be either flood or drought that cause famine? As for your claims that millions of Chinese died, of course the famine will cause deaths, but the end result was that China's population grew by 45 million from 1955-1960 so your claims of 45 million perishing by Mao is unfounded, since there are so many factors leading to famine. Its just Western anti-communist propaganda meant to exaggerate the death toll to suit their agenda. You would think Chinese people would notice the deaths of 45 million people in our country. WW2 death toll was about 50-80 million, so you mean Chinese people failed to notice all those 45 million bodies? I have shown that China's population in 1955 was 598,574,241 and in 1960 it was 644,450,173 so where are the bodies, if China suffered a death toll similar to all of WW2? How did China grow to become world's most populous country if we suffered a death toll similar to all of WW2 with roughly the same duration? Its obvious that Westerner propaganda has grossly exaggerated this figure to suit their anti-communist purposes. Here is source about China's life expectancy growing from just 40 years to 45 years from 1950 to 1960. Source: China's life expectancy static.cdn-seekingalpha.com/uploads/2012/6/5/1763391-133891464788003-Stock-Whiz.png Your source on Hong Kong Umbrella Movement only claims 1.3 million HK participated in Umbrella Movement through online tweets. How is "tweeting" online even considered participating in the movement on the streets at all like you claim? You claim 7,000,000 HK people joined on the streets but where is your proof that all of HK's population are on the streets at all? You source even claims that it is a "digitized" fight so how can you claim that even those 1.3 million HK people are protesting on the streets? Hong Kong still doesn't produce 100% of its electrical needs. You claim the remaining 23% is easy for HK to produce, but HK has limited land so where is it going to build plants for the remaining 23%? Are its powerplants going to pollute the HK environment (which is already quite polluted) ? China's electricity grid is powering the remaining 23% of HK's power needs without HK feeling the effects of land scarcity and additional pollution, so what makes you think HK is capable of producing the 23% by itself? According to your source, China produce $63,490,864,000.00 worth of agricultural export. and India produces only $36,730,472,555.00 worth, so how can you even claim India is 2nd and China is 10th? Besides having the world's largest pig and sheep farms, China also produces more rice, wheat and potatoes compared to India, which are three of the world's staples. Rice: China 206.5 million tonnes, India 157.2 million tonnes, Wheat: China 126.2 million tonnes, India 94.5 million tonnes, Potato: China 95.5 million tonnes, India, 46,.4 million tonnes. Source: Rice Production en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rice#Production_and_commerce Source: Wheat Production en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_wheat_production_statistics Source: Potator Production en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Potato#Production "More than 1/3 of world's malnourished children live in India and among these, 1/2 of them under 3 are underweight. World Bank estimates that India is one of highest ranking countries in the world for the number of children suffering from malnutrition and is nearly double that of Sub Saharan Africa with dire consequences for mobility, mortality, productivity and economic growth." So why don't India fix its own problems first? Source: Malnutrition in India en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malnutrition_in_India What has birth defects got to do with this issue? Why are you trying to introduce South China Sea into this discussion about HK? According to the following source, HK celebrities: Wong Cho-lam, Leanne Li Yanan, William Chan Wai-ting, Yang Ying “Angelababy”, Donnie Yan Ji-dan and Hins Cheung defended China’s claim over SCS. Source: HK celebrities defend China’s SCS claims after court ruling hongkongfp.com/2016/07/14/hong-kong-celebrities-defend-chinas-claims-in-south-china-sea-after-intl-court-ruling/ After Trump's phonecall, he did not change US policies regarding One-China Policy and USA continues not to recognize Taiwan. I have already shown Chinese bank's interest rates are much lower than India's. You keep talking about imaginary debttrap but which country in the world is bankrupt and under China's imaginary debt trap? The top seven countries close to bankruptcy are Belarus, Argentina, Jamaica, Belize, Venezuela, Greece and Ukraine, and they have little to do with China. Source Seven countries near bankruptcy usatoday.com/story/money/business/2015/08/05/24-7-wall-st-countries-near-bankruptcy/31164239/ When did I claim Philippines and Vietnam will invade HK? Malaysia is raising water prices against Singapore, and Singapore suffered from Indonesian confrontation when it was part of Malaysia. You say what has this to do with HK, then why did you even bring up Singapore in the first place? HK economy in slump and cannot afford all those tanks, ships, aircraft for its own army, and by serving in the army, HK people will be not working or studying, so how would that make them happy? In the end, even with Army, HK will still rely on its relations with China for defense. Tibet is still drawn as part of PRC and the map's shape hasn't changed at all even till today. That means countries all over the world currently accept Tibet as part of China, and include Tibet into the Map of China every time they draw it. You are the one claiming ROC made a bid in 2006 to return to UN, so why is my 2007 source outdated? In the end, it was UN's decision to reject ROC's 2006 bid. According to my source, USA also clearly opposed ROC's bid which saw it as an effort to change the fragile status quo. If ROC made another bid in 2018 onwards, then USA, China and UN will undoubtedly reject its bid as they did in 2007.
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  10. TEJAS TAMBAT When did you even acknowledge that "Cantonese is Chinese dialect" ? You didn't even mention "dialect" at all, until I brought it up, and even then, you failed to acknowledge that "Cantonese is Chinese dialect". Now you are claiming you never said that in your first comment because you never stated it? Now you suddenly claim that you they don't want to separate? Who is the one constantly changing his stance here after insisting on claiming that "Cantonese is Chinese dialect" ? Yet you continue to mock my use of English here? You yourself said "Wikipedia is public" so doesn't that mean that its knowledge is public knowledge? Why is it unreliable then? Any unreliable source that doesn't meet Wikipedia's standards is automatically taken down by the site. If you write such stupid accusation about me without any proof, then obviously the Wikipedia editors will take it down if you fail to provide proof. The victims of Kunan and Poshpora have been protesting for years because Indian medical examinations are biased towards Indian army. There are already incriminating examples of "torn hymens" but Indian Army just dismiss it. According to the following source, there are numerous accounts of women being raped but Indian army still continues to cover up its atrocities. Source: Kunan-Poshpora: Can Kashmiri Rape Victims Get Justice Against Indian Military After Two Decades? ibtimes.com/kunan-poshpora-can-kashmiri-rape-victims-get-justice-against-indian-military-after-two-decades You are the one thinking Kashmiri people are untrustworthy, so why India continue to fight for control over Jammu & Kashmir then? As for Tibetans, Hong Kong, Taiwan, Xinjiang, etc, they are all Chinese people, which is why China fight so hard for control over them. I am not the one saying these states should leave China, or that these people are untrustworthy. You are the one claiming Kashmiri are untrustworthy here, not me. Your source again says that "Fifteen or more of the women had to undergo hysterectomies following complications because of infection after the sexual violence on them." so why are you claiming that these women are fabricating stories? You call them illiterate is because India has only India literacy rate 72.1% compared to China's 96.4% literacy rate, but again, what has illiteracy got to do with being raped by Indian Army? Source: List of countries by literacy rate en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_literacy_rate The Sri Lankan Security force may have committed rape, but similarly, Indian Peace Keeping Force has several accounts of rape too. According to the following source, "One area of concern to Amnesty International were the reports of rape committed by Indian soldiers. In Dec 1987 a local magistrate found IPKF personnel guilty in 7 cases of rape and in January 1988 an Indian court-martial sentenced 4 Indian soldiers to 1 year in prison for raping Tamil women." Source: Abuses committed by the IPKF in Sri Lanka ecoi.net/en/document/1348818.html The Tibetan Nun clearly mentioned a Tibetan soldier, accusing her of being "Dalai Lama's running dog" and betraying her nation. Read your Tibetan Nun source again carefully. In July 1959, the Yellow River flooded in East China killing either through starvation from crop failure or drowning, an estimated 2 million people, while other areas were affected in other ways as well. Source: The Most Deadly 100 Natural Disasters of the 20th Century disastercenter.com/disaster/TOP100K.html So why are you claiming that the flood is propaganda by Deng Xiaoping? Deng was the one who was anti-Mao in a sense, so why would he cover up Mao's actions? You claimed that 45 million Chinese people have been killed by Mao, which is almost as much as entire WW2 minimally estimated death toll of 50 million, yet Chinese people did not notice a number of dead bodies equal to that of all WW2 in our country? In addition to that, China had One-Child Policy, but despite your death toll and this policy, China is still the world's most populous country? Its obvious that the death toll figure is grossly exaggerated by Western propaganda to suit its anti-communist purposes. Otherwise, how could China become most populous country, despite all those deaths and birth control? China's population actually grew from 598,574,241 in 1955 to 644,450,173 in 1960 (by about 45.8 million) so how could 45 million Chinese died under Mao, yet increased by 45 million again (double) again? Where did your source even claim 6.78 million joined in the Umbrella movement? All it showed was that 1.3 million supporters voiced their support online through tweets, not by actually protesting in the streets like those students, so how can you claim that they took to the streets to protest? Digitized only means that they simply like a comment, but shows nothing of their commitment to join the protestors on the streets. Hong Kong only generates 77% and if it wants 100%, means it will have to build more power plants, which occupy space, cause pollution and waste etc. HK is very land-constrained country so where is it going to build the power station for remaining 23% energy? HK pollution comes from its own powerplants and you said China uses nuclear power, which doesn't pollute the air, so how can you blame HK pollution on China then? Your source clearly listed top agricultural country exports as follows. ... 6. China $63,490,864,000.00 7. Spain $50,960,954,460.00 8 Canada $49,490,302,612.00 9 Belgium $43,904,482,740.00 .. .. 12 India $36,730,472,555.00 So how can you claim India largest exporter in Asia and 2nd, while China is 10th? Its your own source yet you refuse to read it? My units for rice export for India is in tonnes, whereas your 5 billion export claim is in dollars, so do you even see the difference in your argument? My statement that China produces more rice than India still stands, and here is another source to support it. Source: Top 10 Exporters of Rice (Countries) whichcountry.co/top-10-exporters-of-rice/ Jute is just one somewhat uncommon commodity. China is worlds largest producer of many common commodities like rice, wheat, potato even peanuts and apples as shown below. Source: Apple Production en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple#Production Source: Peanut Production en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peanut#Production_and_trade What has birth defects got to do with this argument at all? Birth defects has little to do with malnourishment and you can't truly do anything about birth defects, like you can do for malnourishment. China's Global Hunger Index is only 7.5(low) compared to India's 31.4(serious) Why don't India work on feeding its population and children first instead worrying about China? India's malnutrition is even higher than China's Hong Kong celebrities have expressed support for China's case in South China Sea, means they are wrong for their beliefs? You claim HK celebrities are doing it for self-promotion, then why are they even agreeing with China if it makes them unpopular? Where is the logic here? I have shown China's bank interest rates to be lower than that of India's. UN is just trying to inhibit China's growth instead of any real fears of a debt trap. I mean, there are seven other countries on the brink of bankruptcy, yet UN choose to focus on China instead of countries like Greece, who is truly going bankrupt? Like I said, what has Vietnam or Philippines even got to do with HK? Those countries recognize HK as part of China, so why do you claim they will support HK at all? China is HK's biggest economy, so why would HK cut ties with China to be like Singapore? Singapore is now water dependent on Malaysia, so why would HK want to cut off with China to be like Singapore? Tibet is part of China's map, as recognized by UN countries and drawn on their maps. Many other countries support One China Policy, and fail to recognize ROC. Even US rejected Taiwans bid in 2006 so what are you trying to claim here?
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  11. TEJAS TAMBAT Why are you resorting to insulting me personally? Just because my views differ from yours? You clearly failed to mention "dialect" until I brought up the word, so how can you claim to have acknowledged that "Cantonese is Chinese dialect"? You clearly said Wikipedia is public site, so anyone, from Pakistani to Chinese to Indians can edit its articles as long as they provide reliable sources, so how is Wikipedia unreliable then? Now and then, Wikipedia will take down articles that violate its criteria, so it is as good a source of information as its criteria. There are so many witnesses accounts to Indian Army rape in Kunan Poshpora, but you just keep dismissing it like what Indian Army does. Medical examinations performed on the women revealed "torn hymens" as well as various hysterectomy procedures, indicating mass sexual assault had taken place. Here is another article petitioning that Kunan Poshpora rape cases be reopened, but Indian government and army have mounted efforts to stop these orders. Source:Kashmir: A look at the Kunan Poshpora rapes aljazeera.com/indepth/features/2016/10/kashmir-kunan-poshpora-rapes-161020121136644.html If you claim Kashmiri people can't be trusted, then why does India even want Jammu & Kashmir as part of its territory? Why not give it up to Pakistan if you dislike those people? The Tibetan Nun clearly mentioned Tibetan soldier involved in the atrocity and accusing her of being "Dalai Lama running dog" and betraying her country, so why are you continuing to deny this simple statement? Read your Tibetan Nun story again carefully. What famine in 1949? The People's Republic of China was founded by Mao in 1949 so when was there a famine during China's founding? I have already shown that In 1959, the Yellow River flooded and in 1959, the Yellow River flooded, causing crop failure and starvation, and then in 1960, an estimated 60% of agricultural land in northern China received no rain at all. These weather factors were obviously beyond Mao Zedong's control. You have failed to show that so many people supported HK Umbrella Movement. Your source clearly said that 1.3 million people "tweeted" their support for the movement, but said nothing of these people actively taking to the streets to show their support. In this digitalized world, you can show support by simply "liking" them on social media, but it doesn't mean that you physically showed up to protest on the streets. HK students have lots of free time, and follow textbook ideals without actually thinking of the consequences of their actions like real working adults. I have shown that HK is dependent on the remaining 23% of its electrical needs from China. HK doesn't have the space to build more powerplants to fill up the remaining need, and the pollution from such plants will make its pollution situation worst. As for other imports like food, here is list of HK's largest trading partners. 1. China: US$285.5 billion (55.3% of total Hong Kong exports) 2. United States: $42 billion (8.1%) 3. India: $15.4 billion (3%) Source:Hong Kong’s Top Trading Partners worldstopexports.com/hong-kongs-top-import-partners/ As you can see, China made up a large portion of HK's economy at 55.3%, compared to India's 3% so what makes you think HK will suddenly trade with India here? I have shown that Hong Kong's celebrities support China's stance in South China Sea conflict. You claim that they are doing it for self promotion, then why would they support the mainland's stance then if its so unpopular? Where is your source to show India's bank interest rate? I have clearly shown that China's central bank interest rate is 1.75% compared to India's 6.00%. Because of our lower rates, HK benefits greatly from Chinese loans compared to Indian loans because of India's higher interest rate. Source:List of countries by central bank interest rates en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_central_bank_interest_rates Vietnam and Philippines currently recognize HK as part of China. Look, even Philippines has dispute with Taiwan over South China Sea issue, and Philippines coastguard even shoot to death a Taiwanese fisherman, Hung Shih-cheng (洪石成) so what makes you think that these countries will automatically be on HK's side? Source:Relations sour between Taiwan and Philippines over fisherman's death http://edition.cnn.com/2013/05/17/world/asia/philippines-taiwan-dispute/index.html You brought up Singapore army, and claim that Singapore still rely on USA for defense, so like I said, what's the point of HK building its own army, if it has to rely on PLA for protection then? HK's economy is in a slump, so what makes you think it can afford to start from scratch building its own army? Where's the money going to come from? Tanks, Ships, Fighter Jets, etc, are not cheap and will create additional burden on their economy. As for the HK army personnel, having 1 million soldiers already means that HK's workforce will be 1 million workers shorter, adversely affecting its economy. Indian banks also charges 6.00% interest rate so what makes you think getting loans from India is viable move for HK? Like I shown above, 50% of HK's economy is dependent on China, so why would HK want to jeopardize that relation by declaring itself independent? Tibet is recognized as autonomous region of China by UN countries, including USA, UK, France, Russia, India, etc. and when the map of PRC is drawn, Tibet is incorporated as part of PRC in their maps. What you keep saying about how the map will change in future is only your own speculation that's all and nothing more. President Trump phonecall concluded with him recognizing the One-China Policy, that Taiwan is part of PRC. Otherwise, if you claim he is concern with ROC's freedom, then why didn't he indicate so through the phonecall to President Xi Jinping? ROC's bid back in 2007 was rejected by UN countries, including China and USA. You claim that 2017 Taiwan will make another bid but there's no guarantee that it will be successful. I mean, UN rejected ROC's bid back in 2007, so what makes you think they will suddenly change their mind this time? If ROC was really recognized, then why did UN even decide to kick ROC out of UN since 1971? I have shown that other UN countries recognize Tibet, HK, Taiwan, Xinjiang, etc as part of PRC, whether its through the Map of China, the One-China, Two Systems policy and the One-China Policy. All those states above were part of China even during Qing dynasty back in 1911, and the government has fought hard to regain control of our territories. Look at British India, being partitioned into India and Pakistan in 1947 (and later into Bangladesh) A country is strong if united and weak when divided. We don't want to become like India and Pakistan, two brother countries constantly fighting each other till today. Donald Trump, Vladimir Putin, Narendra Modi, Angela Merkel and other world leaders have made their stance clear that they recognize Tibet, HK, Taiwan, etc as part of China. The current UN focus is on Rohigya crisis in Myanmar/Burma and also North Korea, not China's sovereignty over those territory. 77% is still not 100% and there is remaining 23% that comes from China. Otherwise, HK's power would only operate at 77% instead of 100%. China is generating 23% of HK power so if this power was cut off what will happen to HK's industries and household electricity consumption? China still produces more rice, wheat, potato, apples, peanuts, etc than India. China even produces more pork and mutton than India already, as well as fish too. China also world's largest producer of lettuce and cabbage according to following source. Source:Cabbage Production en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cabbage#Production Source:Lettuce Production en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lettuce#Production Like I said, what has birth defects go to do with this discussion? If you want to talk birth defects, then India registers the highest number of infants born with disabilities in the world. "The number of infants with genetic disorders and birth defects in India is the highest in the world," said Sir Ganga Ram Hospital Center for Genetic Medicine Director and Society of Foetal Medicines President I C Verma. " Source:Infants born with defects highest in India http://archive.indianexpress.com/news/-infants-born-with-defects-highest-in-india...-but-trend-can-be-reversed-/723187 Why don't Indians focus on India's malnourishment and birth defect problems first, instead of complaining about China? India has Global Hunger Index of 31.4(serious) compared to China's GHI of 7.5(low) so which country has more urgent needs here? Pakistan is benefiting greatly from trade with China, and the economic corridor project is expected to generate 2.32 million jobs for Pakistani workers. Gwadar port is being invested to become a major hub for China's Belt and Road Iniative Source: CPEC to generate 2.32m jobs thenews.com.pk/print/176948-CPEC-to-generate-232m-jobs-in-two-years-report Which countries threaten One-China Policy? Even President Trump, the most powerful man of the most powerful country, still accepted the One-China Policy despite receiving phonecall from ROC. Here's the article showing Trump backing down after the phonecall. ""I fully understand the 'One China' policy..." Trump said on "Fox News Sunday." and Beijing responded by appreciating Mr Trump's acknowledgement of the One China Policy, calling the two nations "co-operative partners" who could "push bilateral relations to a historic new high". Source:Trump agrees to honour 'One China' policy despite threats bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-38927891
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  12. TEJAS TAMBAT According to UNESCO, adult literacy rate of China increased from 65.5% in 1982 to a whopping 96.4% in 2015 growing at an average annual rate of 10.39%. India's literacy rate is only 72% meaning almost a quarter of Indians are illiterate. Of course the Taiwan fisherman is Chinese, when did I ever said he wasn't? Taiwan is part of China isn't it? But this goes to show that Philippines does not regard Taiwan as ally against China, so why would Philippines support Hong Kong like you claim? Aren't the people of Taiwan and Hong Kong, Chinese as well? How is it you can hear the conversation Trump spoke over the phone to ROC and conclude that USA will help ROC in 2020? President Trump called President Xi, and they both agreed that One-China Policy should remain. What makes you think China doesn't want to talk about ROC? My previous source at the bottom showed Trump making phone call to Xi to discuss One-China Policy isn't it? Tibet, Xinjiang, Hong Kong, etc, are all incorporated into PRC, whenever the Map of China is drawn. When did other countries recognize the independence of these states? Maps of PRC are all depicted with those states, so how can you claim that they recognize the independence of those states? You claim all those people are slaves under China, but the country with the most number of slaves in the world is actually India, not China. According to the following source, India has 18 million modern slaves, at least 5 times more than any other country in the world. So why don't India fix its modern slavery problem instead of worrying about Chinese being slaves? Source:India has 18 million modern slaves qz.com/695565/india-has-18-million-modern-slaves-at-least-five-times-more-than-any-other-country-in-the-world/ Soviet Union was strong while it was united. Same like USA is strong while unified from 50 states, and European Union is strong with 28 member states. So why can't China strive to remain unified and strong like these countries? A country is strong if unified and weak if divided. Look at British India, being strong when unified but today, it has been partitioned in India and Pakistan (and later, Bangladesh) which are brother states constantly fighting each other. How is Asia going to progress if countries fight each other like India and Pakistan? Look at Europe. France and England were enemies in the past, so was Germany with whole Europe at one point. but today, they are powerful when unified. Communist Russia collapsed in 1991 and many Western countries assumed communist China will soon follow suit. But its already 2018, and the China is still relatively intact, as well as being the world's 2nd largest economy, with an army funded by world's 2nd largest military spending, as well as being potential rival to USA. Donald Trump, Narendra Modi, Angela Merkel, Vladimir Putin, and even Shinzo Abe did not raise any issue about Tibet, Hong Kong, Xinjiang, etc to Xi Jinping. Like I said, the current focus of UN issues is on North Korea, and also Rohigya crisis in Myanmar/Burma. What makes you think the Korean missile crisis will be resolved anytime soon, for Tibet to ever become a topic? All of this talk about US will help Taiwan in 2020, or UN will focus on Tibet after North Korea is dealt with, is just your own speculation that's all. 77% is still not 100%. China supplies the remaining 23% of power to HK like it or not. HK has scarcity of land, so what room is there to expand their powerplants? Expanding their powerplants on HK territory also means more pollution in HK as a result, which is why they draw upon China's energy network for the remaining 23% instead. I already shown China produces more rice, wheat, potatoes, cabbages, lettuce, peanuts, apples, fish, pork and mutton than India. China also produces more onions, tomatoes and even salt compared to India. Source:Tomato Production en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tomato#Production Source:Onion Production en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_onion_production Source:Salt Production en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_salt_production We are talking about production, so of course we use tonnes instead of dollars. You are the one mistaking dollars for tonnes in your units here, not me. Jute is only a single commodity, but every other commodity here I listed for China are often considered staples, unlike jute. I have shown that the malnutrition problem in India are almost 5 times more than in China, and twice those in Sub-Saharan Africa. The Global Hunger Index gave India a score of 31.4(serious) compared to China's 7.5(low) so why don't India fix its own malnutrition problem first before worrying about China? Source:Global Hunger Index Map (India:31.4, China:7.5) ghi.ifpri.org/ Source:India malnutrition 5 times that of China's, twice that of Sub-Sahara Africa worldbank.org/en/news/feature/2013/05/13/helping-india-combat-persistently-high-rates-of-malnutrition What do you mean nothing can be done about malnutrition? You can always feed them, but what can you do about birth defects? Also, according to the following source, India registers the highest number of infants born with disabilities. Source:Infants born with defects highest in India archive.indianexpress.com/news/-infants-born-with-defects-highest-in-india...-but-trend-can-be-reversed-/723187 You claim that HK celebrities are promoting themselves in HK, then why would they express support for China's stance in South China Sea, if that is the unpopular move here? How is that promoting themselves? You clearly said Singapore's army is small, so it will have to depend on other countries like USA to protect it. Since you claim HK army will be small, then they will still rely on PLA to protect them isn't it? Also, HK's economy is in a slump, so how can it afford to build its army by buying tanks, fighter jets, warships, ammunition, etc? Who is going to train HK soldiers to fight? What makes you think HK citizens want to serve in the army? 1 million soldiers serving in HK army, means the HK workforce will be deprived of 1 million workers, so how will that boost the HK economy then? Why would foreign investors want to invest in a country with slumping economy and small army to protect their investments? All your words are just speculation on your part without any proof. LOL did you even read your sources about CPEC myths? According to your sources, one of biggest myths propagated on CPEC is that Pakistan might become a colony/province of China, but the reality is Pakistan’s current trade deficit with China is $6.2 billion. In comparison, India’s trade deficit with China stands at $47 billion and US trade deficit with China is $347 billion. So US and India are China's colonies then? Also from your source, Another myth on CPEC is that China is dictating terms to Pakistan but the reality is quite the opposite. China and Pakistan work jointly in making an overall planning. Your source summarizes with the statement that economic benefits of CPEC are net positive for Pakistan. Vietnamese themselves aren't HK people, so why can they decide for HK want HK citizens want for their country, and support them online? They aren't the ones living in HK you know. Besides, your source also claims "The Vietnamese government worries about the Hong Kong protests. Anh Chi says police would stop any attempt in Vietnam to show support." China is Hong Kong's biggest trading partner, with 55.3% of total Hong Kong exports, worth $285.5 billion going to China, according to the following source. Singapore still depends on Malaysia for water, just like HK depends on remaining 23% of its power needs from China. Source:Hong Kong’s Top Trading Partners worldstopexports.com/hong-kongs-top-import-partners/ Tibet is recognized as autonomous region of China on the world map. Why don't you consult the world map and see for yourself? According to your source, President Trump questioned the One-China Policy, but then "stuck it back on again two months later, telling Xi Jinping, China’s president, that he would honour the One-China policy at President Xi’s request" The follow sources all show Trump accepting One-China Policy. Source:Trump Tells Xi Jinping U.S. Will Honor ‘One China’ Policy nytimes.com/2017/02/09/world/asia/donald-trump-china-xi-jinping-letter.html Source:Trump agrees to support 'One China' policy in Xi Jinping call theguardian.com/world/2017/feb/10/donald-trump-agrees-support-one-china-policy-phone-call-xi-jinping Source:Backing away from a fight, Trump to honor one-China policy washingtonpost.com/world/asia_pacific/trump-agrees-to-honor-one-china-policy-in-call-to-xi-jinping/2017/02/10/ea6e7ece-ef4a-11e6-9973-c5efb7ccfb0d_story.html?utm_term=.490da0076ab9
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  13. TEJAS TAMBAT In 2015, adult literacy rate for China was 96.4 %. Adult literacy rate of China increased from 65.5 % in 1982 to 96.4 % in 2015 growing at an average annual rate of 10.39 %. This is taken from the following source. Source:China - Adult (15+) literacy rate knoema.com/atlas/China/topics/Education/Literacy/Adult-literacy-rate You just said Philippines thought they are Chinese, which they are since Taiwan is part of China, so why are you trying to deny this suddenly? Are you going to deny again that "Cantonese is Chinese dialect" again? I have shown numerous articles that Trump accepts the One-China Policy as of 2017, after phone call to Beijing. I have also shown that UN countries rejected ROC's bid back in 2007 and that even USA rejected it (Trump wasn't president back in 2007 though) The below statement is taken from following source. "Taiwan's UN bid was roundly condemned by China and also opposed by the United States, which saw it as an effort to change the fragile status quo that has governed relations among the three since Washington transferred its diplomatic recognition from Taipei to Beijing in 1979." Source:UN rejects Taiwan application for entry nytimes.com/2007/07/24/world/asia/24iht-taiwan.1.6799766.html?_r=0 Regarding neighbor disputes, China signed many agreements with our neighbors here. -In 1961, Nepal and China signed border agreement. -In 1962, Mongolia and China signed border agreement. -In 1963, Afghanistan and China signed border agreement. -In 1963, Pakistan and China signed border agreement. -In 1991, USSR and China signed Sino-Soviet border agreement. -In 1992, Laos and China signed border agreement. -In 1994, Kazakhstan and China signed border agreement. Only India and Bhutan refuse to sign agreement with China to settle our dispute once and for all. You claim other countries recognize Tibet, Hong Kong, Xinjiang, etc, then why are they incorporated into the Map of People's Republic of China? It goes to show that countries all over the world regard these countries as part of China, and published Maps of China accordingly. Just look at World Map and see for yourself. You claim Chinese people are slaves, but the country with the most number of people living in modern slavery is actually India, with over 18 million living in conditions of slavery, about 5 times more than any other country. Why don't Indians do something about their slavery conditions instead of complaining about China? Even this source doesn't claim 1.3 billion Chinese as slaves, so how can you claim 1.3 billion Chinese as slaves then? Source:India Has the Most People Living in Modern Slavery blogs.wsj.com/indiarealtime/2016/06/02/india-has-the-most-people-living-in-modern-slavery/ Donald Trump, Vladimir Putin, Angela Merkel, Shinzo Abe, Narendra Modi, and other world leaders are focusing on North Korea, and the Rohigya Crisis in Myanmar/Burma. Nothing is being mentioned about Tibet, HK, Xinjiang etc. to Xi Jinping's face. Soviet Union failed because it transited from communism to democracy too quickly and rapidly, causing the satellite states to break away from Russia. China has learnt lessons from Soviet Union's fall, which is why China was able to transit from communist market to capitalist market, without losing control any of our territories. European Union is democratic, but democracy is also tearing EU apart, just like Brexit, where many UK citizens choose to leave the EU. British PM David Cameron even resigned after calling a referendum in which majority of voters voted to leave the EU. Can't you see that democracy is going to allow states to break apart from a union? Source:David Cameron resigns after UK votes to leave European Union theguardian.com/politics/2016/jun/24/david-cameron-resigns-after-uk-votes-to-leave-european-union India and Pakistan are fighting each other even till today after being partitioned, but why was there a need to partition in the first place? British India was powerful and consisted of India, Pakistan and Bangladesh, so why did it need to partition? Imagine if Indian leaders like PM Nehru or Mahatma Gandhi had remained firm against the British, and had not allowed the partition to have taken place. So much bloodshed and lives lost during partition and subsequent wars between India and Pakistan could have been avoided, if partition had not taken place at all, and British India would be unified instead of divided into India, Pakistan and Bangladesh. If your leaders are soft and peaceful, like Nehru and Gandhi, then British people will walk all over you and divide your country. Now its too late and partition has taken place, so why not attempt to mend relations now, instead of fighting each other for over 70 years? How is Asia going to progress if its states are fighting each other? China's "ghost" cities are slowly being filled up, as more people from rural countryside migrate to the cities. For example Zhengzhou was once considered China’s largest ghost city in 2011, but today, Zhengzhou has a population of 9,378,000 inhabitants. China still has millions of people living in the countryside migrating to the cities to seek better opportunities, but of course the process is slow and it will take time to fill up China's ghost cities. Here are 5 more Chinese ghost cities that got filled up over time. Source:5 Chinese Ghost Cities that Came Alive vagabondjourney.com/5-chinese-ghost-cities-came-alive/ North Korean Missile Crisis been going on since 2003 for many years, and it is unlikely to be resolved anytime soon. Even North Korea and South Korea were originally one country, Korea, up till 1905 but have been separated for over 70 years, until the new generation of Koreans hardly regard the other country as part of their country. Like I said, a country is strong if unified and weak if divided. Other countries that were once separated, such as North and South Vietnam, and also East and West Germany (during Cold War) eventually reunified after 20 years and 40 years respectively, so the two halves regard each other as a single country. But North and South Korea been separated by 70 years until new generations of Koreans no longer see themselves as single country. 77% is still not 100%, and China supplies the remaining 23% of HK's power needs. It is nothing to sneeze at, and cutting off the remaining power, means HK loses about 1/4 of its electrical needs, which can be compared to 1 in 4 HK household not having electricity. HK has land constraints, meaning it can't build more powerplants or expand existing plants without taking up valuable land. Also more plants means more pollution for HK (which is already quite polluted due to its existing coal plants). China offers a less polluting alternative to HK, by allowing it to tap into China's electrical grid for power instead. I already quoted several sources where China produces more rice, wheat, potatoes, pork, mutton, fish, lettuce, cabbages, peanuts, apples, onions, tomatoes and even salt, than India. China also produces more chili Peppers, walnuts and chestnuts than India, according to the following sources. Source:Walnut Production en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walnut#Production Source:Chestnut Production en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chestnut#History Source:Chili Pepper Production en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chili_pepper#Production In terms of production, we are interested in how much is actually produced, not the costs involved. Costs can fluctuate greatly with market prices according to supply and demand, but the amount produced in tonnes indicates how capable a country is at producing the commodity. That's why we look at tonnes and quantity instead of prices. India's Malnutrition is 5 times more than China's and twice that of Sub-Saharan African countries, according to World Bank itself. That's why India is given a score of 31.4(serious) by Global Hunger Index, compared to China's 7.5(low) Why don't India fix their own hunger problems first? HK celebrities are living in HK and mostly star in HK films, not mainland Chinese films. If they are doing it for self promotion, then it should be towards HK citizens who watch their shows, so why would they support China's stance in South China Sea issue, if it was unpopular. Just like Jackie Chan, he is famous Hollywood star, even you know his films, so if its for his self-promotion, then why support China's stance in Hollywood and USA, if it is unpopular? You clearly said Singapore army is small, so they depend on USA to protect them, so why would HK want small army, when in the end, it will have to rely on PLA for defense? PLA is the one protecting HK from external threats. If HK fishing vessel is harassed, Chinese coastguard will be dispatched to protect their vessels. HK's economy is in a slump and taking away 1 million HK workers to serve in the army, is only going to tax its economy more. Also, buying tanks, weapons, fighter jets, ships, ammunition cost $$$ as well as maintenance of such equipment costing $$$. Your source clearly says Pakistan being Chinese colony is a myth, since Pakistan's trade deficit is only $6.2 billion. compared to India's $47 billion and USA $347 billion trade deficit, so how is Pakistan a colony here? We are talking "trade deficit" here after all, and its from your source, not mine. Only 1.3 million support HK Umbrella movement digitally not physically on the streets. Singapore still relies on Malaysia for water, just like HK rely China for power. China and Taiwan are still technically "at war" so China is only taking precautions here by pointing weapons against ROC, in case of war being resumed at any moment. Your source is just Taiwan source urging Trump to support ROC. But Trump made his statement to follow One China Policy very clear many times. Currently, USA has zero bases in Taiwan, despite your claims. You see, all you are giving are just speculations without any proof whatsoever. Where's proof that US support ROC in 2020 etc?
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  14. TEJAS TAMBAT What about all my other points then? Does this mean that you fail to address all other previously mentioned points? Also, all you shown about Taiwan is that USTDC was a planning headquarters for the defense of Taiwan and it was only active from 1955 to 1979. Today, it is no more and the former site of the USTDC headquarters became the Taipei Fine Arts Museum in 1983.
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  15. TEJAS TAMBAT You only posted one comment since your last post, so I only answer that single post that's all. I think you are the English Impaired one. I clearly said: "Currently, USA has zero bases in Taiwan, despite your claims." so what makes you think I was talking about the past? Again, it isn't even 2020 yet, so why speculate on things in the future? If Trump truly recognized Taiwan Independence, then why he choose to honor One-China Policy after phonecall to Xi Jinping? He clearly choose to recognize Jerusalem as part of Israel (much to Palestian's dismay) and intent to shift the US embassy to Jerusalem to prove his point, so why didn't he choose to recognize ROC independence then?
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  16. TEJAS TAMBAT There is only one comment that's all, so I just replied to it thats all. You said "continue from above" but you have nothing above, so why are you blaming me and calling me English Impaired when there clearly isn't anything above it? What have my parents suddenly got to do with this? I don't insult your parents or call you derogatory terms like bigot, unlike what you keep doing to me. Why don't you answer all my previous questions then? So far, you have shown no proof of any military base in Taiwan, so how can you go on about a secret military base, when its only your speculation? I clearly said "Currently, USA has zero bases in Taiwan, despite your claims." as thus far, this statement still stands unchallenged. Again, why are you talking about 2020 when its only 2018? You are just speculating about the future that's all, when it hasn't happened yet. According to your source, he plans and operations are outlined in a new book published this week, The Chinese Invasion Threat by Ian Easton, a China affairs analyst with the Project 2049 Institute, a think tank so why is considered confirm, when its just from a think tank that's all?
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  17. TEJAS TAMBAT I have counted exactly 44 comments as of now. Your last few comments all have a single post, so whats 3 comments that you are even talking about? You clearly only said a single comment, so I will only respond to the comment you posted. You are the one fabricating fake comments when you clearly have nothing to say. You brought my parents into this argument for what? I didn't bring your parents into this argument, and neither do I insult you with derogatory terms like Bigot so why are you insulting me personally? Because you can't attack my points? All my previous points still stand uncontested. You have shown no proof of secret US base in Taiwan. You source clearly said that USTDC was a planning headquarters, only active from 1955 to 1979. Today, it is no more and the former site of the USTDC headquarters became the Taipei Fine Arts Museum in 1983. You call me illiterate, when according to UNESCO India literacy is only 72.1% compared to China's 96.4% ? President Xi Jinping said no such thing about a invasion of Taiwan in 2020. You claim he said it, so what are his exact words in Chinese then? That would be the exact, unaltered words taken directly out of his mouth, so can you quote me what words he said then? Otherwise it is apparent that you are unable to answer all my points. I have shown that India has world's highest number of people living in modern slavery at 18 million people, according to Global Slavery Index. India has 5 times more malnutrition than China, and twice that of Sub-Saharan Africa, according to World Bank. And India's Global Hunger Index is 31.4(serious) compared to China's 7.5(low). In fact, India tops world hunger list with 194 million people, so why don't you fix your country's problems instead of complaining about China? Source:India has 18 million modern slaves, at least 5 times more than any other country qz.com/695565/india-has-18-million-modern-slaves-at-least-five-times-more-than-any-other-country-in-the-world/ Source:Rates of malnutrition among India’s children are almost 5 times more than in China, and twice those in Sub-Saharan Africa worldbank.org/en/news/feature/2013/05/13/helping-india-combat-persistently-high-rates-of-malnutrition Source:India tops world hunger list with 194 million people thehindu.com/news/national/india-is-home-to-194-million-hungry-people-un/article7255937.ece China also produces more rice, wheat, potatoes, pork, mutton, fish, lettuce, cabbages, peanuts, apples, onions, tomatoes, walnuts, chestnuts, chili peppers and even salt, than India. China also produces more grapes and carrots than India. Source:Carrot Production en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carrot#Production Source:Grape Production en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grape#Distribution_and_production
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