Comments by "神州 Shenzhou" (@Shenzhou.) on "India vs China - Who Would Win? Military Comparison" video.

  1. Brahmos is only supersonic missile, whereas China already has hypersonic missile (DF-ZF) that's been tested seven times successfully.
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  2. Pakistan is a sovereign country (as recognized by India) and China is helping develop Pakistan's economy through economic corridor. People join terrorists because they are poor, jobless or angry at their government or USA and so on. Building up Pakistan's economy will help more people find jobs, and then the terrorists will have less recruits for their cause, since people now want to work to make Pakistan better. But US's solution to terrorism is to bomb the countries in Middle East, inevitably killing civilians and fueling anger for the victims to join the terrorist cause. If one terrorist group is destroyed, another pops up to take its place. Al Qaeda was originally trained by CIA to fight terrorists, but they deflected and become terrorists because they saw the damage USA was doing to their countries. The rise of ISIL can also be attributed to US constant intervention in Middle East. America has been fighting wars in Middle East for over 15 years with no end in sight (even till today). Why not try different approach instead, like what China is doing? Its crazy to think that repeating the same method again and again, will solve the whole issue of terrorism.
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  3. Why are you Indians so confident that other countries like India and hate China? Even if Japan and China relations aren't good, China is still one of Japan's biggest trading partners. According to Tourism in China statistics, over 2 million Japanese tourists visit China in 2015 (2nd largest tourist population, after South Korea) so why would Japan risk its economy and tourists, just to join India in war against China? You Indians say China thinks too highly of itself, but likewise I think you Indians regard India too highly, thinking that India's allies will be willing to destroy their economies for India's sake.
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  4. Indians also scream "JAI HIND!" in their own language too.
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  5. China is USA's biggest trade partner, so why would they join India in a war against China? President Trump already mentioned many times in his public addresses that "China's cooperation is essential for dealing with North Korea" so its unlikely that they want to jeopardize US-China relations for India's sake.
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  6. Some Indians like to believe India is the center of global politics and everyone revolves around them.
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  7. China is the 3rd country in the world to send people to space, after USA and USSR. In 2008, China became 3rd nation to conduct "spacewalk" during Shenzhou-7 mission, in which Chinese astronaut exited the spacecraft beyond Earth's atmosphere. You can watch the video in the link below. Video: youtube(dot)com/watch?v=gMxQEHfU6hM
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  8. India has better Airforce? The Indian Air Force lost half of its MiG fighter jets in deadly crashes. which have led to the deaths of 171 pilots, 39 civilians and 8 persons from other services, over the last 40 years.. Because of this, the MiG is often nicknamed "Flying Coffins". Here is a list of known MiG crashes in IAF. Jul 6, 2017: A MiG fighter of IAF crashed in Jodhpur’s Balesar. Sep 10, 2016: A MiG fighter of IAF crashed in Barmer district of Rajasthan Jun 13, 2016: A MiG fighter of IAF crashed in Jodhpur, Rajasthan. Aug 24, 2015: A MiG fighter of IAF crashed near a village in Budgam district. May 8, 2015: A MiG fighter of IAF crashed in West Bengal’s Tantipara area. Jan 31, 2015: A MiG fighter of IAF crashed west of Jamnagar city.. May 27, 2014: A MiG fighter of IAF crashed in Bijbehara area of Anantnag district in Kashmir. Nov 8, 2013: A MiG fighter of IAF crashed near Jamnagar. Jul 15, 2013: A MiG fighter of IAF crashed at Uttarlai airbase in Rajasthan’s Barmer district. Even this new year in Jan 3, 2018, A MiG 29K of Indian Navy crashed at Goa Airport.
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  9. China doesn't want war too but we will defend our lands if India thinks it can just enter other countries territory like Doklam and occupy it for months.
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  10. +Mudit Singh Exactly what has India to offer those countries at all? China is big trading partners with Japan, Vietnam and we are developing better business relations with Philippines, so why do you claim that these countries will break economic relations with China for India's sake?
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  11. 蘇玖離 辛苦你啊。
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  12. + Debabrata Choudhury Why not India and Pakistan mend their relations then? Solve everyone's problem.
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  13. China's Type 99 tanks have been compared with Russia's T-90 and America's M-1 Abrams, and despite never been tested in combat, has commanded healthy respect from international observers, because the performance parameters are equal to many top Western designs.
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  14. 让阿三继续做白日梦。
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  15. In fact, China has world's largest number of Internet users according to Wikipedia: List of countries by number of Internet users
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  16. I'm Indian, and I believe Hindi-Chini bhai bhai ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
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  17. +Narendra Modi China's DF-41 ICBM has operational range between 12,000 km to 15,000 km, making the DF-41 the world's longest range missile, surpassing the range of the US LGM-30 Minuteman which has a reported range of 13,000 km. With such long range ICBM, why does PLA need to worry about the Himalayas posing as an obstacle?
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  18. India's weapons are actually imported from overseas. Whereas China can manufacture more weapons, ammunition, tanks and fighter jets to replenish losses, India would have to purchase more military equipment from USA and Russia, and these countries can always increase the price during times of war.
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  19. According to World Bank, China’s poverty rate fell from 88% in 1981 to mere 6.5% in 2012. According to UNESCO, adult literacy rate of China increased from 65.5% in 1982 to 96.4% in 2015 growing at an average annual rate of 10.39%. Chinese people lifespan was once as low as India's in the past, but have since doubled according to following source. Source: china-profile(dot)com/data/fig_WPP2010_L0_Boths.htm
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  20. O S Raikar Thank you. Modern China was built by sweat, blood, tears and sacrifice of Chinese people to turn China from 3rd world to 1st world country. Maybe India will be extremely successful too, one day in future.
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  21. In 2013, China landed our very own lunar rover and spacecraft (Chang'E and Yutu) on the Moon to collect moonsoil samples. This is the first soft landing on the Moon, after almost 40 years of neglecting the Moon by NASA. The Chinese government plans to put a man on the Moon someday like USA, as well as be the first nation to land on dark side of the Moon.
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  22. President Trump also has several businesses running in China, including those of his daughter's, so why would Trump want to support India in its fight against China? What has India to offer to Trump that is worth destroying trade relations with China?
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  23. 本来，中国是想拉上印度发展的，印度有巨大的人口基数，中国可以将一些产业转移到印度，这样中印可谓互惠互利。但是，由于中印关系不睦，这一战略机遇印度正在失去，中国提出的“一带一路”倡议却不等人，印度相当于一定程度上错过了这一战略机遇。这样的机会一旦错过将不再，印度未来可能将无法承接大量制造业。
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  24. USA will win without a doubt, laughing at China and India fighting each other (possibly dragging Russia into this conflict as well) and destroying the fragile economic growth Asia experienced the past few years, and allowing USA to race further ahead of its rivals in Asia.
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  25. +Haren Rajbonshi What has Chinese Medical Visa requirements even got to do with Chinese investment in Pakistan? Pakistani workers are working in their home country, not China, so why would they need China medical visa? What has that got to do with this? As for funding, there is already much development in Pakistan, since the economic corridor project started, and many Chinese companies are working in Pakistan too to help build infrastructure. Look at Gwadar port, and noticed how developed it has become. Numerous powerplants are popping up in Punjab, Sindh, etc. It is estimated that the economic corridor project will result in the creation of upwards of 2.3 million jobs in Pakistan.
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  26. USA and Russia are enemies, so if USA ally with India, then why would Russia be on same side as USA then?
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  27. China also launched the world's first quantum satellite in 2016 that is said to be "unhackable" due to quantum encryption. The quantum "entanglement" effect is when two particles can influence each others states, seemingly regardless of amount of distance between them. The longest record on Earth was between particles that are 143 KM apart, but China has smashed that record by showing that entanglement works at distances above the stratosphere, enabling two stations over 1,200 KM apart to communicate with each other, according to the following source. Video: youtube(dot)com/watch?v=4QlcKuxDGrs
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  28. No freedoms? According to Global Slavery Index, India has 18 millions people living in conditions of modern slavery, at least 5 times more than any other country. Source: qz(dot)com/695565
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  29. Zhou Enlai once proposed India-China cooperation according to the Five Principles of Peaceful Coexistence 和平共处五项原则 which outline essential details to define our relations.
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  30. - king- China mangled India's interest? Then what about Indian troops trespassing into Doklam/Donglong to obstruct road construction? India does not even claim Doklam as part of its territory at all so why butt in?
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  31. China always invite India to support Pakistan economic development, which is rare opportunity for both countries to finally mend their relations after 70 years of conflict. If Pakistan is economical stable, then less people will join the terrorists and Pakistan government will be interested in spending money to build their economy, instead of spending on defense all the time.
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  32. +Debabrata Choudhury Not possible? Then why you expect China to turn our back on our friend Pakistan just for India's sake? In 1959, Indian PM Nehru choose to provide asylum to 14th Dalai Lama, which makes China suspicious of Indian intent already.
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  33. China manufacture our own weapons, ammunition, tanks and fighter jets, while India continue to rely on purchasing foreign military equipment. During wartime, China can replenish ammunition and make more tanks and jets to replace losses, but India would have to import more weapons from Russia and USA, which are subject to market prices. Those countries would happily jack up the price of their military equipment, since they know India can't refuse their prices and is desperate for military equipment.
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  34. +Narendra Modi What about USA causing trouble in Middle East? South East Asia is at least, not at war at the moment, but Middle East has been in turmoil (Gulf war, Iraq war, Afghan war, Libya war, etc) for over 15 years, because of USA intervention. Chinese don't want Asia to become like the conflicted Middle East, destroying Asia's remarkable growth these few decades. USA is using North Korea as excuse to provoke war in Asia, but China will not let USA turn peaceful Asia into war zone.
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  35. Indian supersonic missile Brahmos? What about China's hypersonc missile DF-ZF, capable attaining speeds up to 10 times that of sound, and having been tested 7 times successfully?
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  36. 太好笑了！
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  37. 战忽局同志辛苦了
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  38. Since when is Youtube banned in China? So many foreign companies come to China do business everyday, and many require access to Western websites to operate, so people just use VPN if they want access Youtube in China. 30 million Chinese live in caves, because that is their traditional abode for many generations, and their parents/grand parents grew up there. Nowadays those people migrate to cities to find work, but some Chinese people like living in caves because it is cool during summer and warm during winter, and all without spending electricity, although electricity and running water can still be installed if needed. It has been compared to living in a villa, and other people have come to rent caves to stay in. There are people living in caves, in France, Spain and even India too. But the biased Western media will portray this like its a backward and poor society to live in cave in today's society.
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  39. +Narendra Modi You explicitly said that "India has the power to decide Bhutan's foreign policy" and then claim that India doesn't exploit Bhutan? Aren't you contradicting yourself here? Can't you see that Bhutan is becoming Indian puppet state here, or do you just apply double standards to China and India here? Bhutan is its own sovereign country and therefore, China's interactions with Bhutan are bilateral (country to country) in nature. It wouldn't be sovereign anymore if it allows other countries like India to dictate its foreign policies isn't it? Why does India interfere with Bhutan-China issues then, when India does not even claim Doklam as part of its territory?
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  40. Philippines had advanced Western weapons back in Korean war, and China's modern weaponry has advanced greatly since after Korean war. Right now, China is sending arms shipments to Philippines (including sniper rifles) to help Philippine authorities combat the rebel groups hiding in its islands.
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  41. 我觉得政治没有永远的朋友是真事，但是中巴友谊就是最真诚、最纯粹的友谊关系。破了就是可惜得很～
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  42. Indians cite their allies as supporting them, but never really think about what India has to offer, to make their allies willing go to war with China for India's sake.
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  43. +Pranav Abbott Russia is anti-USA, so why would Russia join the same side as USA and fight against China, its only dependable anti-US ally? You Indians are just dreaming of the best-case scenario for India that's all, because that's the only chance India's ever going to get. But if you look at real politics, such as how China is USA and Russia's biggest trading partner, then why would these countries break off economic ties with China, for India's sake?
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  44. +Pranav Abbott China is both USA and Russia's biggest trade partners, so why would USA and Russia even want to sacrifice their own economic relations with China, for India's sake? President Trump has repeatedly stated in his public addresses that "China's cooperation is essential to containing the missile crisis on Korean peninsula". So why would USA want to jeopardise US-China relations for India? Because it is democracy? What has India to offer to USA?
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  45. +Basu Vivek That's exactly the point I am trying to make about India and US. US and India are in no way allies, but many Indians seem to believe US is on their side. Russia also helps India in any activity that opposes the USA too, so in war, it is unlikely for Russia and USA to work together with India against China. People need to see the war from perspective of these countries, instead of just claiming they will help unconditionally. Thankfully, no bullet is fired between India and China border. But our countries came close to doing so, during Doklam standoff. Doklam is actually located on China-Bhutan border, so why did Indian troops trespass into Chinese territory to oppose PLA road construction then? India does not claim Doklam as part of its territory. 1. Chinese supplies pass through Strait of Malacca yes, but Chinese goods also reach the West through this channel. USA, Canada, UK and Europe may not take kindly to Strait of Malacca being blockaded by Indian Navy and them being unable to receive their Chinese goods as a result. Also, China is building economic corridor through Pakistan to Gwadar port, which would bypass the need to travel by Strait of Malacca. 2. In mountain warfare, China has light tanks suitable for mountainous terrain. China tested its homegrown light tank, Xinqingtan, whereas India's Arjun tank, which is too heavy for the mountainous regions. PLA tested these tanks during live-fire exercise in Tibet during the Doklam standoff, which was probably when India realised it lacked suitable tanks for mountainous warfare. Source: defensenews(dot)com/land/2017/09/05/indian-army-shows-interest-in-light-tanks-for-defense-along-chinese-border/ 3. India has supersonic cruise missile Brahmos, but China has hypersonic cruise missile, DF-ZF, already tested seven times successfully. 4. India's Agni 4 and Agni 5 have ranges of over 5,000 km but China has DongFeng-41 with operational range between 12,000 km to 15,000 km making it the world's longest range missile, surpassing the range of the US LGM-30 Minuteman which has a reported range of 13,000 km. China has soft power in the form of economic influence, building various infrastructure in other countries like Pakistan, Nepal, Bangladesh, Sri Lanka, and even in Africa, like Nigeria, Angola, Kenya, etc. China has one of the worlds largest movie markets, and many Hollywood directors modified their movies to cater to Chinese audiences (such as Transformers , Iron Man 3 etc)
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  46. No known tests for Brahmos II have been conducted yet, but China's hypersonic DF-ZF is has been tested at least 7 times, and US CIA has made reports that it could possibly bypass US defenses, including THAAD.
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  47. Zeno1999 Mao Zedong proposed 20 KM demilitarized zone for both China and India at our disputed borders, and even withdrew PLA troops from the border. But Indian PM Nehru saw this opportunity to occupy land that PLA had vacated, and sent Indian troops into the regions. Nehru refused to sit down to negotiations, and pursued an aggressive "Forward Policy" of building military bases at our disputed borders, even exceeding the international boundary and into Chinese territory. Zhou Enlai proposed Five Principles of Peaceful Coexistence 和平共处五项原则 to define China-India relations and tried many times to settle our border dispute with India. Zhou Enlai even visited New Delhi 4 times, but Nehru only visited Beijing once.
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  48. +Narendra Modi The US approach to dealing with terrorism is to invade those countries. Ordinary people join terrorism because they are poor, jobless or angry at their government or USA. For example, Al Qaeda is actually trained by CIA, but they rebelled. Even ISIL's rise is said to be attributed to constant US intervention in the ME. When one terrorist group is destroyed, another group pops up to replace it. China's approach to dealing with terrorism is different from USA. China is building infrastructure in Pakistan so that people can find work, instead of flocking to join the terrorists. As Pakistan economy grows, terrorists will find a shrinking pool of angry people to recruit to their cause. Once the country's economy is stable, then it's likely that the government will stabilise as well. Chinese government has tried to get Pyongyang to open up as well, but ultimately the choice lies with them. USA been fighting "terrorism" for over 15 years without resolving the problem and it clearly isn't working out. So why not try a different approach instead of continuing on the same path? If India wants to be a super power, then it will have to work towards becoming one, instead of just dreaming. China worked hard to get to where we are today, having world's 2nd largest economy and largest land army PLA to protect us, as well as being a global player in world politics. If India wants to do the same, then Indians will have to work towards this goal.
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  49. USA will win for sure.
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  50. Aside from these figures alone, China also has weapons like hypersonic missiles (DF-ZF) and anti-satellite missile capabilities which India currently lacks.
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  51. War tactic include aspects, like how China manufacture our own weapons, ammunition, tanks and fighter planes, whereas India relys on purchasing military equipment from foreign countries. During times of war, China can replenish ammunition and make more tanks and jets to replace losses, but India would have to depend on importing them from USA and Russia, and subjected to market price. These countries can always jack up the price, knowing that India has no choice but to buy their weapons.
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  52. But when Russia invaded Ukraine and annexed Crimea, America did nothing, except to impose severe sanctions on Russia (which President Trump is reconsidering)
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  53. Mattias Koskela Agreed, so in the same way, USA would be unlikely to participate in actual China-India war today, if such thing were to happen.
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  54. +anuj gupta Since when does China have dispute with Singapore? Singapore is not a claimant to South China Sea Islands at all, so why are you making up malicious lies?
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  55. Pakistan was once part of British India, but the British partioned British India to form a separate sovereign state Pakistan whom been fighting with India even till today. Furthermore, India support Bangladesh independence from West Pakistan, creating another independent country. A country is strong if it is united and weak when divided and fighting among themselves. Once you lose control of your territories, they may become thorn in your side. This is why China fight so hard to hold on to our territories.
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  56. My family very low income and can't even afford traditional 茶叶蛋 tea leave egg snack.
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  57. +kelly hu Excuse me, but who is the one that first brought up Singapore into this discussion? And you are blaming me now for bringing up other countries? Why apply double standards between you and me in this discussion? If you blame CPC leaders for not declaring their income, then what about US president Trump, who promised during his campaign to reveal his tax details upon assuming office? Up till now, President Trump did not release his own tax details. I never said the Chinese government is uncorrupted, but the CPC is already pursuing anti-corruption crackdowns and arresting various high ranking "tigers" for corruption, as often reported in the news. When did I claim that the Chinese people are the real boss? It is only you who believe that countries future lies in its citizen's hands, when in fact, it is the Chinese leaders that are leading the country. Also, like I said, India is world's largest democracy and a multi-party government, but still equally corrupted. So doesn't this statement alone, dismantle your entire argument about how a multi-party system will not suffer from corruption?
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  58. +Thomas Eddison I am glad that you think so. Indeed, both USA and China are the top two economies, and if war were to break out between our countries, then the rest of the world's economies would be hit and would most likely be sent into recession. Our countries should avoid that scenario at all costs. Regarding planet exploration, it is indeed a better pursuit than war, but it's too bad that USA and China can't cooperate together in this field because NASA is forbidden from working with CNSA (Chinese NASA) according to US law. Space exploration should be for all mankind, and no one should be ostracised from this endeavour. Even the former Soviet Union Russia is allowed to work with NASA, but not China. It's like China isn't even regarded as part of this planet at all, and it breaks my heart as Chinese.
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  59. China able to support 21% of worlds population with only 7% arable land, and still have surplus food for export. China also has world's largest output of pork and mutton in order to feed our enormous population. In seafood, China fishing industry is 2/3 of the world's and in aquaculture, China's fish farms make up 1/3 of farmed seafood worldwide.
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  60. Russia's goal is to oppose US hegemony, and it needs China as an ally against USA. So why Indians still believe Russia will side with India over China? What has India got to offer Russia?
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  61. +Total War Fan You like Russia more than USA, but the important question here, is whether USA and Russia even want to support India by going against China, who is their biggest trading partner.
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  62. +Shivish Shukla So... why can't someone who's neither Pakistani nor Chinese nor Indian, yet still express support for China, based on the figures shown from this video? Must they be Pakistani to do so? Why can't people here make their own choice, base on given facts and figures, regardless of whatever nationalities they are?
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  63. +Total War Fan ???
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  64. +Mayur Dawani China manufacture own weapons, while India relies on importing foreign military equipment. During wartime, China can always make more weapons, ammunition, tanks and fighter jets, but India would have to import its weapons from USA and Russia, and subject to their prices, which they will probably increase, since they know India has no other choice.
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  65. +Total War Fan Go ahead. Be my guest. At least President Xi gets things done, whereas PM Modi direct Indian nationalist anger outward towards China, instead of focusing on dealing with India's internal problems.
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  66. +Shay and Both Russia and China share common goal of opposing US hegemony, but some Indians still believe that Russia is allies with India for India's sake, when Russia is only helping India to oppose USA that's all. They still believe that USA and Russia will join with India against China, when in reality every country has its own goals.
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  67. Gaurav Dey Shaurya is actually ballistic missile, not cruise missile. It will only achieve hypersonic speed at the end stage, but is vulnerable to interception before attaining hypersonic speed. A cruise missile will attain its maximum speed shortly after launch and maintain that speed throughout its journey, which is why they are called cruise missiles.
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  68. China also has anti-satellite missile technology and demonstrated the ability to take out a satellite in orbit using ground launched missiles. This will undoubtedly impact modern military tactics greatly by cutting off flow of information.
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  69. Aircraft carriers alone, doesn't determine whether a country will win or not. What about all the other factors and numbers the video discussed?
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  70. I don't understand why you claim Chinese people are dog eaters so they won't win against India. What is the logic here?
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  71. +Mudit Singh Are you perhaps referring to Indians then? Look at how many Indians barking here without anything substantial.
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  72. If your country's army is not loyal to the government, then there will be possibility of military coup, just like in Thailand government.
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  73. My response was because DévanshonCream had claimed that India has better Airforce than China and I am only proving him wrong. Old aircraft or not, MiGs are still being deployed in IAF and many still crashed in the end. I cited the exact dates and locations of each crash, as well as number of deaths of personnel. Even THIS year in 2018, an Indian MiG crash at Goa airport on Jan 03, so what makes you people think MiG crashes won't happen again?
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  74. +Total War Fan If you claim they are now retired, then why are they still being flown, and the crashes are still happening, even in 2018 this year?
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  75. +Total War Fan ???
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  76. USA will win without a doubt, laughing from across the Pacific Ocean, as whole of Asia breaks out in war between India and China, destroying the fragile economic growth Asia has been experiencing the past few years, and allowing USA to race ahead.
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  77. If during wartime, will Hindu troops actually harm cows if necessary?
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  78. The government is building roads and infrastructure in the poorer provinces in Western China, like Xinjiang and Tibet, to allow some of the wealth in Eastern China to flow towards these parts and not cut them off from progress.
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  79. +Sahil Khan China built Qinghai-Tibet Railway, world's highest elevation railway, to connect isolated Tibet to the rest of the world and improve their lives. This railway passthrough regions of permafrost and low oxygen conditions, such that there are special oxygen tanks in each compartment, as well as a specially trained doctor assigned to each passenger train at all times.
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  80. +Sahil Khan China already has the world's largest high speed railway system, with more track length than rest of the world combined.
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  81. 终于知道了吗？ (＾▽＾)
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  82. China always welcome India to come onboard the Belt and Road Initiative for mutual prosperity.
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  83. +Narendra Modi If so, then that is bilateral issue between China and Bhutan, not India's concern. If India does not want war, then why intervened in bilateral affairs in the first place?
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  84. +Narendra Modi You literally just said that India has the power to decide Bhutan's foreign policy so doesn't that imply India is controlling Bhutan's foreign relations? How can Bhutan be sovereign country, if it allows India to dictate its foreign relations? Bhutan should be left to decide its own policy by itself, without India's interference.
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  85. ELECTION TIME VOTE ON What attack first? Indian troops crossed the border to obstruct PLA road construction in our own territory, so who is the one attacking here? Indian troops certainly aren't defending Indian territory here.
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  86. The current official Indian stance towards Tibet is that Tibet is part of China, as recognised by India, USA, UK, France, Russia, etc, and the rest of the UN nations. Nobody brings up issue of Tibet independence during all those UN meetings.
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  87. +Total War Fan Why don't you ask your Indian PM Narendra Modi to raise up the issue of Tibet sovereignty during the next UN meeting, and see if other countries agree with him or not? Chinese government can also bring up Indian annexation of Sikkim as a response.
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  88. +Narendra Modi Bhutan is unable to change its constitution, because like you said, India has control over Bhutan's foreign policy and India will not allow China to influence Bhutan. Much of Bhutan's livelihood depends on India, so of course Bhutan is reluctant to antagonise India, and is becoming Indian puppet. As for Tibet, like I said, PM Modi is welcome to raise the issue of Tibet during UN meetings, but China will retaliate by bringing up India's annexation of Sikkim.
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  89. +Total War Fan China keeps quiet about Kashmir because India claims that territory. Similarly, India keeps quiet about Tibet, because China claims that territory. But India does not claim Doklam as part of its territory, so why should China keep quiet about Indian troops who trespass onto territory claimed by China?
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  90. According to Indian Source: thewire (dot) in/156180/bhutan-doklam-border-china/ "People in Bhutan seem to think it is time to resolve the dispute without pandering to India's interest. The impression among Bhutanese now is that India has been coming in the way of Bhutan reaffirming its status as independent state, especially in foreign policy arena. Bhutanese think that India has for too long prevented their country from normalising diplomatic ties and negotiating a border with China, adversely impacting Bhutan's ties with China. Several Bhutanese Analysts (Sinchulumpa, Dramana and Shakhatoe) have argued that neither Bhutan nor India has strong historical argument to lay claim over Doklam. "Bhutan's claims are based on an imaginary line drawn on paper by British surveyors, like McMahon Lines, without actual verification on the ground" wrote Yeshey Dorji, a well-known commentator. "
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  91. 笑死我了！
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  92. USA speciality is military power, so attacking US head on should be a last resort. Instead, China should focus on "economic" attack, such as developing alternative to the petrol dollar and expanding influence by developing other less developed countries.
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  93. +kelly hu Chinese government may have internal corruption problems, but at least the communist party is making attempts to curb corruption. But is Indian government or even American government doing anything about corruption? For example, I believe Hilary Clinton is corrupt politician, but US federal authorities aren't doing anything about it. What about President Trump promising during his campaign to release his tax details upon assuming office, but hasn't done so far? Just because they are democracy, doesn't mean that they won't be corrupted. Just look at corruption in Indian government for example.
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  94. +kelly hu As far as I know, the Chinese communist party is world's largest political entity so obviously it's going to be have greater numbers of corruption cases proportionally due to its size. It is unrealistic to expect such big party to have low corruption. Previous leaders like Hu Jintao have remarked about corruption but it was president Xi Jinping that decided to actively work on corruption crackdown. Already at the top levels corrupted CPC members (nicknamed "tigers") are being taken down I mean, given the choice, isn't having anti-corruption crackdown better than NOT having such crackdown in first place. When's the last time other countries like USA or India had a public crackdown on corruption?
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  95. +kelly hu Exactly where did you obtain your figures at all? You think such large political entity like the communist party is immune to corruption? You claim Chinese leaders are suspicious, then who do you expect to replace them? You think China should just change our government because of corruption issues that every nation in the world has to grapple with? One party system or multi party systems doesn't automatically mean corruption will be absent. Look at India, world's largest democracy and it too, has corruption in the government, regardless of single party or not, so what has China abolishing single party doesn't equal no corruption. You don't even look at corruption in the real world, and you somehow think changing entire political system will get rid of corruption? Which democracy right now is actively having anti corruption campaign here? USA? India? Edit: Some of the corrupt officials have migrated to other countries, but the government is also making efforts to catch people overseas like in Australia. Which other government in the world is dedicated to pursuing corrupt officials overseas?
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  96. +kelly hu So exactly who do you think is capable of replacing Chinese government leadership? What guarantee that these people will be "honest and trustworthy" or that their leadership will prove better than the current leaders? Do they have the experience of governing a country of 1.4 billion people, as CPC did for over 60 years? And this independent third party, how qualified are they to investigate suspicious corruptions? Take the US two-party system for example, and Trump said during his campaign that Hilary Clinton will be "going to jail" for her corruption. But is Hilary Clinton in jail? What happened to the ongoing investigations into Clinton's corrupt practices? Even when Trump became most powerful man in USA, and having power over Clinton, nothing is being done this corruption case. Lastly, nobody in this thread is claiming CPC as the greatest, purest and most correct party. Everyone here has admitted that CPC is imperfect and has corruption, but at least active corruption campaigns are ongoing, and even if the corrupt official escape overseas, the CPC has demonstrated willingness to exert influence overseas to bring corrupt officials to justice, in which NO other governments (as far as I know) seem willing to do. It is idealistic to think that corruption can be simply stamped out 100% in this world. Changing China's One-Party dominance does not equal to zero corruption, as other existing democracies have shown, such as India, USA, etc. Even in ROC there is corruption charges against Chen Shui Bian 陳水扁 in 2008 even when Taiwan has Multi-Party system, so why do you think changing China's constitution will result in no corruption? Where is your proof altogether that Two-Party or Multiparty is better than Single-party? To summarize, people like you only think of Step One (Get rid of CPC), but not Step Two (Who is qualified to replace CPC?) You only interested in short-term gains, but ignore long-term benefits. China is strong, both militarily and economically, thanks to CPC's efforts, so why should China get rid of our government when China is still progressing today?
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  97. +kelly hu Excuse me, but Singapore has been governed by an authoritative single-party government for its entire life. The PAP is Singapore's longest (and only ever) ruling party for over 50 years, since Singapore's founding as a nation in 1965, so why do you even consider Singapore to be multi-party? Do you even understand Singapore's politics correctly? In Singapore, it is technically illegal for people to gather in groups of more than 4 people, because it can be classified as "illegal assembly." So how is this any much different from the way Chinese government runs the country? Besides Singapore, "democratic" Taiwan has also been under single-party authoritative rule for much of its lifetime by KMT. Even South Korea was once under a dictatorship (Park Chung Hee). But the common thing is that under single-party rule, our countries progressed and developed rapidly because of a stable long term government. Because of this, our countries are known as the "Four Asian Tigers". Only after Taiwan become democratic, leading to creation of DPP as opposition party, did Taiwan's economy began to slow down significantly. You have no idea who can replace CPC? Then the way you argue your points is similar to those SJWs, who argue for the sake of arguing, without any actual knowledge of the situation. You are just arguing to make yourself "feel good" that's all, when you actually have NO solution at all for the problem. Like I said, people like you only think of Step 1 (address the wrong) but you don't think at all about Step 2 (Where does China go from here?) You think short term, not long term. If you noticed, governments like CPC and PAP have the advantage of long-term governance over the country (60+ years for CPC, 50+ years for PAP) and because of this, our countries are able to make long-term plans spanning 10 or more years, rather than short term plans. In USA, the government only makes short term plans for up to 4-8 years only, because there is no guarantee that they will remain in power for more than a decade. But countries like China is constantly coming up with 5 year plans, 10 year plans and even 20 year plans, because our governments are expected to remain in power. Why should our countries change what appears to be a successful formula for governance? Because Westerners say it is "undemocratic"? Nobody says that every country has to follow Western democracy to be successful, and China is living proof of this. Today, China is world's 2nd largest economy, with world's 2nd largest military spending, protected by world's largest land army, the PLA, and China is also helping to develop other countries by building infrastructure in countries like Pakistan, Sri Lanka, Nepal, Bangladesh as well as African countries like Nigeria, Angola, Kenya, etc, etc.
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  98. +kelly hu Whether elected or not, that doesn't change the fact that Singapore is governed by one party for over 50 years, just like China. Also, the current Singapore President, Halimah Yacob, wasn't elected by Singapore citizens, because no other candidate opposed her at the presidency polls. As for corruption comparison, do you even notice the size of the CPC, as compared to Singapore's PAP? What makes you think the communist party is capable of achieving the same lack of corruption levels as PAP, when CPC is world's largest political entity? Look at India's government, the world's largest democracy, and do you think there is no corruption there? Look at India having multi-party government, but being plagued with corruption. I mean, are you even living in the same planet here? Or are you just spouting off your mouth without verifying the reality of the situation? Since we don't know who will replace CPC if general elections were held in China, lets say for example that some other party took over China's government. Then how would you know if they will be trustworthy and incorruptible? How would we know if they are capable of governing a country as vast as China, with a population of 1.4 billion people? Chinese government will lose control over our long term plans, like the Pakistan Economic Corridor, and the Belt and Road Initiative, because the next party might not want to support it. Look at USA for example, when President Obama been planning the Trans Pacific Partnership deal for 8 years, but when President Trump took over, he cancelled TPP, simply because he didn't like Obama (Obama humiliated him with his birth certificate) So why should China introduce this multi-party system, where the parties constantly oppose each other for their own interest, instead of the country's interest? Like I said, your behavior matches that of SJWs, disconnected from reality, who simply argue about problems, without any proper understanding of the real world issues. You believe in idealistic scenarios only, but care nothing about the consequences. For example, you claim no one is irreplaceable, so what would happen if say, the US government disappears? There would be chaos, anarchy, wars, economic repression, etc, possibly even nuclear war as well. USA may never recover, or USA may recover slowly and will have to start all over again to work its way back to its former glory. So why should China do that? Simply because you claim no one is irreplaceable? If the government allows that, then Tibet will want its own independent government, then maybe Xinjiang as well, then Hong Kong will push for independence, and no one will stop Taiwan from declare independence. So isn't China doomed to break up into many smaller countries (like the collapse of the Soviet Union) if China doesn't have the strong central government we have today?
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  99. +kelly hu No one force you to argue if you don't want to. I only pointed various inconsistencies in your argument alone, and you start suspecting me of being Communist Party member? I have shown that other multi-party systems like India, is equally corrupted, so it doesn't mean that disposing of dictatorship will get rid of corruption. I have also shown how a single-party dictatorship, like PAP ruling Singapore for its entire life, is successful because it can make long-term plans instead of short-term. So why can't China stick with single party system and focus on purging corruption internally, instead of adopting multi party systems? In my opinion, politics should be about doing what's right not what's popular. Sometimes the popular thing may not be right, and the right thing may not be popular. Democracy is only about doing what's popular, but not necessarily what's right.
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  100. kelly hu If you are really so interested in knowing President Xi's income, then you can search for the salaries of major world leaders. President Xi Jinping's salary is only $22,000. even lower than Indian PM Narendra Modi's $30,300. Russian President Vladimir Putin is paid $136,00 a year, while Obama's was $400,000 annually. But Singapore's Lee Hsien Loong is paid a whopping $1,700,000!
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  101. I have made my personal stance very clear, that countries should strive to do what's right, not what's popular. Having a multi-party system, doesn't mean that corruption will go away, as in the case of India. But you refuse to look at India at all, because doing so will dismantle your entire argument completely. You already appear to have poor (or a simplistic) grasp of politics, so how can you be qualified to write about the realities of political conditions nowadays? You don't even know today's political realities well enough, so how can you even begin to argue your case here at all?
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  102. kelly hu Exactly what knowledge of politics have you even displayed at all? You supplied no actual real world examples, and you spout the usual SJW nonsense, like "All men are equal" or "Rise up against oppression" or "don't defend decaying dictatorship" etc, etc. Chinese leaders change hands after every few years, and China has about 7 leaders, from Mao Zedong to Deng Xiaoping to Xi Jinping today. So why would you consider China a dictatorship at all? The older, hardcore CPC members are slowly dying off and retiring, while younger, Western-educated CPC members are taking up the mantle of leadership. Our political change is slow and controlled, not sudden and instanteous, like when Trump took over from Obama. You don't even consider other countries politics, so again why you think that China should follow other countries systems? Just because Westerners think their system is the best? Every system has its flaws, including China's, but that does not mean China has to emulate the West. So India is corrupted because of hierarchy, but China is corrupted because of One Party system? Then why Singapore's one party system is has low corruption, despite PAP ruling Singapore its entire life?
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  103. +kelly hu I have read your post carefully and NOT ONCE was "dictatorship" even mentioned at all in your post, so why do you still label Chinese government a dictatorship then? As for Singapore, you are the one who brought up Singapore first, so why can't I mention it as well? According to your source, both PRC and Singapore are still classified as One Party States, isn't it? Why do you apply double standards between your arguments and mine here?
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  104. +kelly hu So doesn't Singapore share the same definition of dictatorship as well? PAP also oppress dissidents like Amos Yee and jail him for speaking out about Lee Kuan Yew (Singapore's founder) I mean, where are your real world examples at all? All you done is quote textbook definitions constantly. Your words are idealistic in nature because such definitions do not always apply to the real world. Why keep on spouting all these SJW nonsense instead of bringing up some real world examples? India is perfect example of multiparty system that is still corrupted, so what makes you think that China won't be corrupted by introducing multi party system? You don't even understand political realities in other countries, so what makes you qualified to talk about Chinese politics? Using textbook definitions alone?
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  105. kelly hu Firstly, Who is the one calling me "a defender of decayed dictator" here? I compared your behavior to that of SJWs, because such people are idealistic in nature and attempt to apply textbook definitions to real life. For example, you mention China is oligarchy, but if you search online for The World's 5 Most Powerful Oligarchies, they are India, Britain, Russia, China and USA. So what's the point of oligarchy, communism and democracy? Secondly, you tell me not to use other countries' problems, then why'd you brought up Singapore later in your paragraph? Why are you applying unfair double standards between you and me, regarding using other countries as example? You are the one brought up Singapore, then why can't I bring up other countries as well? Thirdly, more of your "textbook" examples? Nobody is interested in textbook definitions because the real world is not like your imaginary and ideal world described in your example. USA blames China for cheating, India blames China the same and likewise China will do the same to other countries when you target us. Fourthly, why you can talk about Singapore, but I can't mention other countries? Why the double standards here? Also, have you compared the size of Singapore's PAP against the largest political party in the world, the Communist Party of China? Its much easier to handle corruption in small party, compared to large party isn't it? Lastly, since you said, no one can guarantee that multiparty system has zero corruption, then why should we adopt it then? Why risk it if it not guaranteed successful? I already mentioned previously, that if CPC allows another party, then Taiwan, Hong Kong, Tibet, Xinjiang will want to declare independence too. China will become divided, like the Soviet Union Collapse, and no longer as powerful as before. Example: Look at British India, being partitioned into India and Pakistan, and then later Bangladesh being created. A country is strong if united and weak when divided. British India would be supremely powerful if left unpartitioned when British left, but each separation weakens the original country. So why should China do that? I mean, I draw upon many real-world examples to compare with China to support my points, but all you do is regurgitate textbook definitions and apply idealistic solutions without caring for the consequences. Why don't you get your head out of the textbook and look at real-world political realities instead?
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  106. +kelly hu Treated unfairly? Don't you see how you keep telling me not to bring up other countries, whereas you can constantly bring up Singapore? Who is treating others unfairly here? Why is it you can criticize China, but I can't defend China and critic other countries as well? Are other countries somehow immune to criticism, but not China? If I proved others wrong using logic and examples, such as Singapore being ruled by PAP its entire life, and about India being multi-party system, but equally corrupted, then what's wrong with that? I did use logic and examples to prove my point, not like you who use "textbook definitions" that's all. Did you find out who the world's 5 most powerful oligarchies are? What makes you think that USA, India, UK are all truly democratic? Even throughout history, people have been traditionally ruled by a minority, whether it is monarchy (ruled by king), aristocracy (ruled by noblemen) or theocracy (ruled by priests). Rome had some form of democracy, but in the end, Rome succumbed to barbarians, when its provinces decide to break apart. China has 5000 years of history, and one of world's oldest "continuous" civilizations alive today, whereas other great ancient civilizations like Egypt and Rome have faded to historical textbooks. If China survived 5000 years without implementing democracy, then why is there a sudden need to implement it then? Because the Westerners say so? Look at what happen to Rome after few thousand years. Like I said before, politics should be about doing what's right not what's popular. What's popular may not be right and what's right may not be popular. The One-Child policy is an example of unpopular policy, but if it wasn't implemented in 1970s, then China today would be possibly be overwhelmed by our population, with insufficient resources to sustain everyone and insufficient schools for all those children born. Example: Look at India today, and you can see that it is overpopulated. Not enough food to feed every newborn (high malnutrition rates) and not enough schools for all its children (Indian literacy rate is 72%, compared to China's 96% literacy rate) If China didn't have population control back then, it is likely China's situation would have ended up like India's today. That's why I keep saying SJWs only know idealistic notions learned from their textbooks that's all. Buts its a totally different story outside of school. What's the point of democratic voting, if 25% of your population is illiterate, as in the case of India? How can you expect such people to make the right choice during voting if they didn't graduate from school? You just blindly apply your idealistic beliefs to society and not caring about the consequences that's all, just like those SJWs who somehow think they know how to solve all the world's problems by themselves.
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  107. During 19th century, the British wanted Chinese luxury products, like silk, porcelain and especially tea, but China didn't want do business with them, so the British waged two bloody wars with China (which both we lost) and force Chinese to buy opium from them at gunpoint, which we didn't want because it made us sick and was poisoning our people. Port cities like Shanghai were forced open to act as drug distribution hubs, to spread the addiction throughout China, and Chinese territories like Hong Kong and Macau were taken from us. Today, China has world's largest land army PLA, to defend our lands from invaders, like British and Japan. A big country with small army will be vulnerable to invasion, whereas a country with strong army will deter potential invaders from eyeing its territories.
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  108. Indian Air Force lost half of its MiG fighter jets in deadly crashes. which have led to the deaths of 171 pilots, 39 civilians and 8 persons from other services, over the last 40 years.. Because of this, the MiG is often nicknamed "Flying Coffins". Here is a list of known MiG crashes in IAF. Jul 6, 2017: A MiG fighter of IAF crashed in Jodhpur’s Balesar. Sep 10, 2016: A MiG fighter of IAF crashed in Barmer district of Rajasthan Jun 13, 2016: A MiG fighter of IAF crashed in Jodhpur, Rajasthan. Aug 24, 2015: A MiG fighter of IAF crashed near a village in Budgam district. May 8, 2015: A MiG fighter of IAF crashed in West Bengal’s Tantipara area. Jan 31, 2015: A MiG fighter of IAF crashed west of Jamnagar city.. May 27, 2014: A MiG fighter of IAF crashed in Bijbehara area of Anantnag district in Kashmir. Nov 8, 2013: A MiG fighter of IAF crashed near Jamnagar. Jul 15, 2013: A MiG fighter of IAF crashed at Uttarlai airbase in Rajasthan’s Barmer district. Even this new year in Jan 3, 2018, A MiG 29K crashed at Goa Airport.
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  109. 阿三觉得美印关系比中美的好～看他们的评论就知道。
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  110. But does USA want to break its economic relations with China, for India's sake? What has India to offer to USA?
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  111. +Yash Gaming And Top 10s Did you know that India is North Korea's 2nd largest trading partner after China, and even more than Russia?
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  112. + Yash Gaming and Top 10s So you can't just say "China supports North Korea" and that is end of discussion, when other countries like India also support North Korea.
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  113. +Yash Gaming So how does your logic even make sense here? Support is still support, no matter the extent.
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  114. India and Pakistan been fighting each other for 70 years. Why continue fighting each other? Both your countries are "brothers" that undergone British colonial rule together. Imagine another 70 years later and your countries still oppose each other. How is Asia going to become strong? China is offering rare opportunities for Pakistan and India to mend their relations through economic corridor project. China also invite India to participate in Belt and Road Initiative too for mutual prosperity.
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  115. 我觉得中国和巴铁有利益也有感情，没利益是假的没感情也是假的。譬如，巴基斯坦把中巴友谊写进了小学课本，他们从小受教育就说中巴友谊，这在世界历史上都很少见。虽然说中国没有像巴基斯坦一样把中巴友谊写进教科书和法律，但是我们能做的就是呼吁大家平等对待巴基斯坦的朋友。
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  116. Total War Fan Pakistan says the same thing about India as well, so both your countries continue to fight each other for another 70 years into the future? Why not mend relations now instead? Look at the Winter Games in Korea and both North and South Korea are discussing participating as single country, despite being enemies, so it's not impossible to take steps to repair your countries relations. China is offering rare opportunity for India to participate in helping develop Pakistan in economic corridor project.
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  117. China mostly manufacture our own weapons, ammunition, tanks, fighter jets, submarines, missiles, etc. but India continues to rely on purchasing military equipment from USA and Russia, whom are most likely to increase the price during times of war, since they know India has no choice but to buy from them.
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  118. +Girish Radhakrishnan If Chinese weapons don't last long, then China will simply make more of it. No matter how long you think US weapons will last, India eventually needs to buy more weapons.
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  119. +Girish Radhakrishnan No matter how good and awesome you claim India's bought weapons are, they will still break down eventually, and you will have to import more weapons. Buying weapons from overseas costs money like you said, and USA can always just increase the prices when they know India wants to buy their weapons. So, who are you to look down on Chinese people, for manufacturing our own weapons in first place? Does India even manufacture its own weapons?
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  120. +ARJUN sharma Where does Google say that youtube is "banned" in China? Can you show me the link?
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  121.  @liljade2307  You want to talk about weapons? China manufacture our own tanks like the Type 99 main battle tank, which have comparable specs as Russia's T-90 tank and America's M-1 Abrams tank. Does India manufacture a main battle tank of its own?
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  122.  @ramakrishna183  Brahmos missile is supersonic missile, whereas China has hypersonic missiles. China has inducted the world's first operational anti-ship ballistic missile, a "carrier killer" capable of carrying a nuclear warhead, known as the DF-21D. The DF-21D is capable of targeting aircraft carrier strike groups out in the open ocean, from the safety of the land. The DF-21D is launched from land-based mobile launchers and flies high up into the stratosphere, using its advanced maneuverability to avoid interception by anti-missile defenses below, before falling at hypersonic speeds (above Mach 20) The warhead is even capable of terminal guidance, making last minute adjustments to its trajectory just seconds before impact.
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  123.  @ramakrishna183  "神州 Shenzhou how silly your talking about tanks." Why is it silly to talk about tanks? The Himalayan mountainous border is unsuitable for heavy tanks so China developed our very own light tank, for mountainous warfare. The Chinese VT5 light tank was deployed on Tibetan Plateau to satisfactory results, whereas Indian Army don't even have a light tank of their own, yet India wants to enter war with China at the mountainous border region?
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  124.  @ramakrishna183  Where's your evidence that 43 People's Liberation Army soldiers died? The only report is from the US intelligence sources and they estimated 43 casualties, but it doesn't mean that all 43 of them died.
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  125.  @chetansamarth9035  "神州 Shenzhou India is the peace lover." My foot! You Indians fight with Pakistan all the time (over your so-called "Pakistan Occupied Kashmir") what peace are you talking about? Whereas China's People's Liberation Army soldiers haven't seen actual combat experience since 1979, yet you're boasting about India being peace lover?
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  126.  Death Zone  Even the Indian PM Narendra Modi said: "‘China did not enter our territory and no posts taken." at all-party meet on Ladakh clash, so you think People's Liberation Army soldiers entered Indian territory?
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  127.  Eshwar Prabhakar  Why don't India settle their border dispute with Nepal instead of starting another with China? Nepalese policemen open fired and killed 1 Indian near Bihar over India-Nepal border dispute. And Indians complain about the so-called "Pakistan Occupied Kashmir" all the time, why don't India wrest control of Kashmir from Pakistan then?
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  128.  Eshwar Prabhakar  Indian PM Narendra Modi publicly stated that "Chinese troops did not enter Indian territory, and no posts were taken" so why blame China for the dispute?
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  129.  @the_fabulous_p14  India doesn't even have a light tank of their own to fight along the mountainous Himalayan border. Your T90 main battletank won't perform well in mountainous region along China-India border, whereas the People's Liberation Army's Type 15 Light Tank is ideal for mountainous warfare.
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  130.  @the_fabulous_p14  You really think that the USA and Australia actually care about India? They're just using India to stop China's rise as an Asian power, because they want the world to remain dominated by Anglo-Saxons. And China can always rely on Pakistan (our iron brother) to help China defend against Indian aggression.
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  131. China is US, UK and Russia's biggest trading partner, so why would these countries want to destroy relations with their biggest trading partner, in order to help India in a war against China?
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  132. +Chiranmoy Bhattacharya You think that USA and UK will help India simply because democracy help democracy. Soviet Union was communist too, yet it helped democratic India so what makes you think ideology alone determines who helps who? China is still USA, UK and Russia's biggest business partner, so isn't their economy more important than ideology alone?
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  133. President Trump said many times in his public address, that "China's cooperation is essential to dealing with the missile crisis on the Korean peninsula" so why would he want to jeopardize US-China relations for India's sake?
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  134. XERNEXX Corruption is universal phenomenon faced by many governments, and Indian government too is not exempted from corruption. But at least the communist party is doing something about it, such as those anti corruption crackdowns to root out corruption. Although I don't know if Indian government is doing anything about its corruption issues.
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