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America is an immigrant country, a New World country and opens its doors to virtually everyone, because the American Dream is all about how a poor immigrant can hope to strike it rich someday in America.
Whereas China is an Old World country, our people were here before, and the Chinese Dream is the rejuvenation of our country. So the government has a strict immigration criteria so that only beneficial immigrants (scientists, engineers, businessmen, investors) can enter the country while keeping the undesirables (drug abusers, dissidents, deadbeats, etc) out of China.
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The role of women today are vastly different from the past (especially in the West). Feminism has empowered women at the workplace, encouraged women to dominate their partners in relationships, and because of the Western culture of "political correctness", everybody is afraid to voice their own opinions, for fear of offending feminists (and also ethnic minority groups, LGBT activists, etc) and receiving the backlash from SJWs.
Because of feminism, young girls are encouraged to pursue whatever they want, eat whatever they want, act unfeminine, to get tattoos and piercings, to grow fat and unattractive, and yet, Western media will claim that men will still find them attractive. Maybe some men will, but not all of them find them attractive, and if men find you ugly, then the media will claim they are being "shallow" and they don't "see the beauty within you" and that they deserve you. Frankly, I think many Western men are sick of this PC culture always blaming men for women's problems.
There was a simpler time in the past. A simpler period in every country's history, where everything was traditional. Men worked and women tended the families. Because of this setup, families could grow larger with mothers taking care of the kids. Birth rates were higher in the past, but as modern women started taking on careers and competing with men at the workplace, children became neglected, family sizes shrunk, birth rates fell. If you don't believe me, look at the less developed and more traditional countries. Traditional Muslims for example, tend to have large families, because they can have multiple wives (if the husbands can support them)
Maybe it's time modern people change their mindset about "traditional values" and stop seeing them as backward and barbaric. For much of human history, women have been traditionally the wives and mothers of society, so there must be various advantages why humans adopted such a setup in the first place.
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+Paul Harrison Western culture was built on the backs of African slavery, genocide of Native Americans and Australian Aboriginals, occupation of their lands, brutal colonization of Asia and African, and plundering of their resources like gold. Much of Western mathematics, sciences and astronomy actually had their roots from India and the Middle East (which you seem to despise) and Chinese inventions like the crossbow and gunpowder, help the Westerners establish dominance over other countries, occupy lands and steal resources.
Your science and math aren't entirely your own. Your lands aren't even your own, Your resources like gold (and even slaves) aren't even your own and have been plundered from Asia, Africa, America and Australia, the latter two being occupied territories even till today.
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To people who disagree with One-Child Policy, you are all entitled to your own views of course, but China is world's most populous country, and at that time, China had high child malnutrition, starvation, low literacy and poor healthcare. Why have so many kids born, only to die from hunger, or not enough schools to sent them, and not enough hospitals to provide adequate healthcare?
Why not focus all your resources into raising a single healthy kid into adulthood and get into a good school and break the whole cycle of poverty? According to World Bank, China’s poverty rate fell from 88% in 1981 to mere 6.5% in 2012. According to UNESCO, adult literacy rate of China increased from 65.5% in 1982 to a whopping 96.4% in 2015 growing at an average annual rate of 10.39%.
Of course, there are unforeseen consequences like the gender imbalance, but how else do you expect the CCP to lift China out of poverty? There are also other options such as importing Vietnamese brides to make up for the shortfall of women in China. I mean, its not like its the end of the world isn't it?
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+Kaimanfrosty China's economy was Communist under Mao Zedong, and when Deng Xiaoping introduced economic reforms to China, China was just beginning the switch from communist market to capitalist, so plenty of laws, rules, regulations were not established, and our foundation was weak and more used to communist system. So how can you start talking about the economy being specialized already to strengths and weakness inline with foreign economies? Our economy completely different to the rest of the world at that time.
Back then we had just made the switch so we have to take extra precautions, instead of just letting foreign companies have the advantage. And we want to motivate Chinese companies so the government gave incentives to them. So whats wrong with this? The government needs to maintain control over the economy, otherwise its quite possible China's economy would have broken (similar to USSR collapse) when China made the switch from communist market to capitalist.
2) "The size of population doesn't have much of an effect on growth" What sort of logic is this? You have to raise people out of poverty and a larger population in poverty means more work needs to be done. Hong Kong's population is smaller than China's so the poor people in HK is less than poor people in the mainland, so why make such comparison at all?
India has many port cities too. Did you look at the shape of India and notice how much of India touches the Indian Ocean? India has a coastline spanning 7516.6 kilometres, forming one of the biggest peninsulas in the world and around 95 per cent of India's trading by volume and 70 per cent by value is done through maritime transport. So why use Hong Kong simply because its a small port city?
3) I never said people or companies shouldn't seek profit, I merely stated that state-controlled companies have goals aligned with the state, whereas corporations would follow their own agenda (which is profit most of the time) America's economy is great, because American corporations are great, but not much of this wealth is experienced by the middle and lower income groups. That's why Americans complain about being part of the 99%, and the 1% (the big US corporations) control most of America's wealth. At least by being state-controlled, the Chinese government has some control over directing the profits elsewhere, such as into developing the poorer regions in Western China.
About US crisis, the US government steps in, but then the US has had the Great Depression before the 2008 financial crisis. China's economy is not as old as USA, but thus far, China has not encountered any economic crisis, because the government is constantly controlling it, reading its economic signs and making decisions with regards to China's economic future. The Chinese state-controlled corporations tend to have a big picture of China's economy, whereas US companies have only a limited view of the big picture of US economy. And each US corporation strives to pull US economy in different directions.
I too don't claim to be overly familiar about aviation industry. but the duopoly held by Boeing (USA) and Airbus (EU) prevents other countries from manufacturing their own jumbojet liner to compete with them. Otherwise, other countries would have come up with their own passenger airliner, but the presence of Boeing and Airbus makes it very difficult for them to enter the industry. As for China's C919 Comac it makes use of mostly domestic parts. Even the Jet Engine is homemade, with special single-crystal rhenium superalloy turbine blades that can withstand the necessary high temperatures encountered in Jet engines.
Video: China Makes C919 and J-20 Engines with Rhenium Superalloy youtube.com/watch?v=DnwZmDOR1Rk
4) Can I ask how is China's "allocative efficiency of resources" is too tight? Chinese government has been known for being efficient and when they want something done, they get it done. For example, China had plans to build a hydroelectric station, and they went a head with its construction, even when there was protest against the destruction of Chinese cultural sites and displacement of villagers. But if you had taken all these people's views into consideration, then China would never have gotten the project done. Today, China's Three Gorges Dam is the world's largest hydroelectric powerstation, and has been supplying China with clean renewable energy since its opening, to fuel China's growth.
Video: The Largest Dam in The World youtube.com/watch?v=b8cCsUBYSkw
So it shows China's government efficiency in allocating resources to plan our future. Its all part of a planned economy isn't it? As for USA, its their own solution to their own problem, but by taxing import of foreign goods, you are also creating entity with your allies, and countries like Canada and India haven't been too happy with US slapping tariffs on steel and aluminum, without going through the proper WTO channels.
India takes U.S. steel tariffs complaint to the WTO reuters.com/article/us-usa-trade-india/india-takes-u-s-steel-tariffs-complaint-to-the-wto-idUSKCN1IO1WP
Canada files WTO challenge of U.S. tariffs globalnews.ca/news/4248573/canada-wto-challenge-eu-trade-war/
5) Since other countries (African countries, India, etc) seem unable to match China's more than half a billion out of poverty in decades, then why did you say earlier that "The claim that it is somehow unique to china is a misnomer" ? Can other countries match what China achieved, size for size?
Indian can't make great progress, because the Indian goverment is too wrapped up with what Indians think themselves. The government can't proceed with big projects, because the Indians will protest. If they want to build a big dam like China, they'll have millions of protest that stop the project before it can even begin.
Singapore has many government-owned companies (Singapore Airlines, Mediacorp, Singtel, SMRT, ST engineering, etc) but many of them stay in Singapore and Singapore has a small population so its doesn't have many well-known Singaporean enterprises that have struck it big without being government-controlled. But China has much higher population, more Chinese startups and Alibaba, Huawei, Tencent have become global Chinese brands.
5) Soviet Union were trying to introduce too many reforms at once and social unrest came about because people wanted more of the West. Westerners always complain about China's Tiananmen Incident, but if the government didn't do what needed to be done, China would most likely have dissolved just like Soviet Union. We would lose Tibet, Xinjiang, Hong Kong, Taiwan, and China would be a bunch of different provinces (like USSR) instead of the unified power China is today.
You are correct that they had bigger guns. So USA decide to sanction Russia after its collapse, because USA now has the bigger guns. The think with Westerners is that why is it they think China has no right to do what they did in the past? Who do they think they are? For example, pollution, the West has been polluting the Earth for 300 years since Industrial Revolution in 1700s, yet China industrialized only 40 years ago. And the West is powerful today because it industrialized much earlier.
So why the apparent double standards between China and the West? We are only doing what West did centuries ago. If you think what China doing is wrong, then you are welcome to try and stop China and hinder our growth.
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+LEFT4BASS Why is enforcing that One Child policy on the population at large considered a bad idea?
China is world's most populous country as compared to South Korea, so why compare China to S. Korea? China had much more poor people to lift out of poverty, so what makes you think you can apply what S. Korea did to China? Also, S. Korea's rapid advancement occurred uder the S. Korean dictator, Park Chung Hee, who introduced martial law in S. Korea and made the government authoritarian. But under his dictatorship, S. Korea rapidly modernized and that's why Park has been ranked by the public as the greatest South Korean president but he still remains a controversial figure for his dictatorship.
If you want to compare China's situation, a better example would be India, the world's 2nd most populous country. India today is suffering from overpopulation, high child mortality rates, high child malnutrition, etc (similar problems faced by China back then) India tried to introduce population control measures (India's mass sterilization) but failed, and that's why India is plagued by overpopulation problems. China would most likely have ended up like India if we didn't introduced population control measures of our own.
"The biggest problem the one child policy is just what this video described."
When China was undeveloped country, we suffered from 3rd world problems (starvation, poverty, high birth rate, etc) Now that China is developed country, we suffer from 1st world problems (rising costs, high birth rate, aging population, etc) so what is the big deal here? Other developed countries, like Japan for example, also have low birth rates and aging population, even when they did not have a One Child Policy, so what is the link between that policy and the problems you described?
" A two child policy would have provided a lot more replacement workers, but still shrunk the population."
How do you know for sure that a two child policy would still shrunk the population? With 1 child, families need only concentrate their resources into raising him or her into adulthood, but with 2 child, the resources would be split in half. So China might possibly remain mired in poverty with a 2 child policy, according to this logic.
China today is prosperous and is the world's 2nd largest economy, so why do you think that there are dark days ahead? Look at some of China's scientific progress for example. China build one of world's fastest supercomputers, Sunway Taihu Light : 神威·太湖之光 and in 2017 Top500 supercomputer survey, China beat USA with 202 out of 500 of the world's fastest supercomputers, as compared to USA's 144 out of 500.
China's supercomputers race past US to world dominance
cnet.com/news/china-surpasses-us-in-supercomputer-usage-on-top-500-list/
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+LEFT4BASS What makes you think population density is the decisive factor here? True, China has a lot of people and a lot of land, but what makes you think all of our land and resources is being utilized at once? China's land is so vast, you think all the untapped resources are immediately available at our disposal straight away? And like it or not, China still have a larger population of poor people to lift out of poverty than S. Korea, isn't it?
According to World Bank, China’s poverty rate fell from 88% in 1981 to mere 6.5% in 2012. According to UNESCO, adult literacy rate of China increased from 65.5% in 1982 to a whopping 96.4% in 2015 growing at an average annual rate of 10.39%. This is an amazing feat considering that China is world's most populous country yet achieving 96% literacy and 6% poverty. China would not have been able to accomplish this, if not for the One Child Policy reducing our birthrate, so that available resources can be used to lift single-child families out of poverty.
Wikipedia: Poverty in China
Source: wikipedia.org/wiki/Poverty_in_China
"And the reason the one child policy was such a bad idea was because it helped China in the short run, but in the long run, it’s going to hurt China a lot."
What makes you sure that the One Child Policy will hurt China a lot in the long run? You mean you have seen the future and predicted that is will hurt China a lot? Look at Japan and other developed countries having similarly low birth rates and aging populations, and they did not have One-Child Policy of their own, so where is the link to the One Child policy hurting China's future?
I mean, your statements are superficial and don't elaborate or go into detail. Like you said S. Korea advanced rapidly without One-Child Policy and just simply expect the same thing to happen to China? China is China, S. Korea is S. Korea, so why you think what works for S. Korea will work for China?
About China's economy going to suffer, Western economists have been predicting China's economic downfall since 1990s. Here is compiled list of what Western journalists have been saying about China's economy for decades
1990. The Economist: China's economy has come to a halt.
1996. The Economist: China's economy will face hard landing.
1998. The Economist: China's economy entering a dangerous period of sluggish growth.
1999. Bank of Canada: Likelihood of a hard landing for the Chinese economy.
2000. Chicago Tribune: China currency move nails hard landing risk coffin.
2001. Wilbanks, Smith & Thomas: A hard landing in China.
2002. Westchester University: China Anxiously Seeks A Soft Economic landing.
2003. KWR International: How to find a soft landing if China..
2004. The Economist: The great fall of China?
2005. Nouriel Roubini: The Risk of a Hard Landing in China.
2006. International Economy: Can China Achieve a Soft Landing?
2007. TIME: Is China's Economy Overheating? Can China avoid a hard landing?
2008. Forbes: Hard Landing in China?
2009. Fortune: China's hard landing. China must find a way to recover.
2010. Nouriel Roubini: Hard landing coming in China.
2011. Business Insider: A Chinese Hard Landing May Be Closer Than You Think.
2012. American Interest: Dismal Economic News from China: A Hard Landing.
2013. Zero Hedge: A Hard Landing in China.
2014. CNBC: A hard landing in China.
2015. Forbes: Congratulations, You got Yourself A Chinese Hard Landing....
2016. The Economist: Hard Landing looms for China.
Buts its already 2018, and China's economy is still going strong so at some point, you should realized Western propaganda is simply biased against China's economy, and have been proven consistently wrong for almost 30 years! Why do you still continue to believe China has a dark future, given all your failed predictions about China?
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+Vision 20/20 In its early years as a nation, Singapore also had pollution problems such as littering, spitting in public, people cutting queues. Even the Singapore River was at one time. massively polluted, so what's the big deal? Eventually, Singapore cleaned up itself, so likewise, China is doing the same by cleaning up pollution in China. For example, China built the world's largest hydroelectric powerstation, the Three Gorges Dam, to supply China with clean renewable energy.
Video: The Largest Dam in The World youtube.com/watch?v=b8cCsUBYSkw
But of course it will take time to clean up pollution in China, just like it did for Singapore, considering that China has a larger population and more land to clean up.
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+ジョーさん The thing is, all of Taiwan's prosperity occurred under the authoritarian KMT rule (similar to China's progress occurring under authoritarian CCP rule) Only in 2016 (2 years ago) did another party (DPP) finally took over KMT at the reins, and since then Taiwan's economy has been in a slump. Its because the newcomer party (DPP) doesn't have the same governing experience as KMT, and if I'm not wrong, there was even violence breaking up in the Taiwan Parliament with members throwing chairs and furniture at each other.
Massive fight breaks out in Taiwanese parliament youtube.com/watch?v=kXmPDLRt6hA
Whereas the CCP doesn't act like that. There may be infighting among the various CCP political factions, but when an agreement is made, they go along with implementing the policy efficiently. But back to Taiwan, how can the people of Taiwan trust such people to be your government? Because the West thinks that every country should adopt democracy? Look at President Trump making use of his charisma to seduce votes from gullible Americans with false promises of making America great again. Is such as system really good for the USA, as for Taiwan?
In my opinion, Politics should be about doing what's right, not necessarily what's popular. Sometimes the popular thing may not be right, and the right thing may not be popular. Democracy, reduced to its basic elements, is all about doing what's popular, not necessarily what's right. Why do you let the ordinary people who aren't politically savvy, vote for such important decisions regarding your countries future? Why not let the people who know how to govern govern?
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+Paul Harrison Since the 1970s, China has been investing heavily in African countries like Nigeria, Angola, Kenya, etc, and building infrastructure like roads, railways, highways, bridges, schools, hospitals, hotels, shopping centers, powerstations, telecommunication projects, etc. China has done much to develop Africa in decades compared to what Westerners been doing in Africa for centuries
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