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If you claim that people tend to blame their surroundings as opposed to themselves, their personality or being lazy, then why are you doing that exactly while in China? If Chinese people blame our surroundings, instead of ourselves for being lazy, then China would have remained dirt poor, undeveloped and starving, instead of becoming world's 2nd largest economy today. We worked to get where we are today, not by blaming the circumstances of our country.
As for US social programs, there are many jobless people in USA, who make a living by sponging off government welfare packages and collecting food stamps, instead of actually finding a job and contributing back to society, while the hardworking people pay taxes to support such a system and propagate the cycle. So why do you think China wants to adopt such social programs, when all it seems to do is encourage lazyness among people?
Our current social programs aren't perfect, or as good as the West, but we don't want to just blindly follow Western welfare programs, and fall into the same "traps" USA did. China should study thoroughly the advantages and disadvantages of such systems, and work towards finding a balanced program of our own instead. This is just my opinion that's all.
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+skilthedesert Every country have their form of freedom. Is it freedom when you can own guns and start shooting people because of freedom? No. There are laws in place, so its simply that China's laws are stricter than most countries. Flag burning/desecration is also illegal in Austria, Finland, France, Germany, India, Ireland, Israel, Japan, South Korea, Switzerland etc.
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Since 1980s, Chinese workers helped to build infrastructure in African countries (Nigeria, Angola, Kenya, Ethiopia, etc.) like roads, railways, highways, schools, hospitals, hotels, shopping centers, football stadiums and telecommunication projects.
China has done much in Africa in decades compared to what Westerners did in Africa for centuries.
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+Darren Carter I have been to America (New York, San Fransico, Ames, Minneapolis) and sometimes have been told by rude Americans to "Go Back to China" and "Stop Stealing our Jobs" and other such things. My Chinese friends living there, say although on the surface its America is calm, below it has just as much racism below the surface and isn't that similar to what laowhy is going through in China?
As for the different immigration policies, its up to each country whether they want to impose strict or lenient immigration policies. China has the world's largest population, and we don't really need more immigrants, so that's why applying for a citizenship in China is harder. But I am not talking about applying for citizenship alone, I'm talking about viewing yourself as one of the locals as compared to viewing yourself as a foreigner.
Chinese Mandarin is the most spoken language in the world by the number of speakers. As for the language difficulty, it is relative and I can also say English is a difficult language to learn to isn't it? But as for Chinese courses, how rare are they exactly? Every part of the world has at least some Chinese people living there and there are bound to be tuition classes available to take.
Another factor is immersion in culture also helps people pick up the language faster. For example, in America people speak English, Spanish, French, etc, and so on, so a Chinese person living in America may pick up other languages besides English. But in China, everything is in Chinese, so from a language viewpoint, it should be much easier to pick up Chinese when you are immersed in such a culture.
The fact that laowhy and serpentza still speak such poor Mandarin, despite immersing themselves in China, hearing Mandarin all the time, taking on Chinese wives, and living in China for about 10-15 years (they arrive in China in early 2000s I think) clearly shows that they make little effort in adapting to Chinese culture and learning the language properly.
Lastly, about your example of an Chinese living America and an Non-Chinese living in China. In your case, I would also agree that the Chinese living in America clearly doesn't consider herself an American. She clearly refuses to speak English, and assimilate into American culture properly. If you approach her and ask her personally, she will probably answer that she don't consider herself American, even if she's living in America.
And your example is reflected in laowhy and serpentza living China, but not speaking the language or attempting to integrate into Chinese culture and language.
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Chinese workers come to African countries like Nigeria, Angola, Kenya, etc, to help build roads, railways, highways, infrastructure, schools, hotels, hospitals, shopping centers, football stadiums, telecommunication projects, to make African society better. China has done much in Africa in decades, compared to what Westerners did in Africa for centuries.
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Michael S. About the car analogy, perhaps its not the broken tires at fault, but maybe the exhaust pipes produces lots of poisonous smoke (since you are highliting China's pollution and food poisoning). Ultimately China's goal is for the car to keep on moving (i.e. for China to keep on progressing). So the government will pay attention anything that helps the car to move, such as better engines, better tires, better car batteries, more passenger seats (which translate to better manufacturing, better technology, more houses, etc) and focus less on getting airbags, getting better exhaust pipes, etc.
I mean, China has lots and lots of problems as a developing nation, so realistically, you can't expect the government to solve each and every problem. The government is allocating precious time, effort, manpower, materials and resources to only the most important problems (poverty, employment, education, housing, etc). All the relatively minor problems (food poisoning, pollution, etc) will have to take a backseat to the more pressing issues. I mean, regarding food poisoning, why not first ensure that everyone in China gets food to eat in the first place? Every problem is either serious or not serious with respect to other problems, and the government has to choose which problem to deal with first and which to put aside. Its sad but true, you can't solve every problem with your limited resources.
You personally may not think their videos are very negative, but when is the last time laowhy or serpentza said anything good about China? They may proclaim "I love China" but if you look at their behavior, their mannerism and even their facial expressions, you can tell that they don't mean what they say when they like China. I mean, I have literally never seen laowhy and serpentza hang out with any Chinese friends (apart from their Chinese wives) They always hang out with other foreigners in China (and usually the same few people like Prozzie) There's nothing fundamentally wrong with that, but it gives off the impression that they aren't assimilating into China that's all.
Its not me alone that feels this way. many other Chinese people have seen their videos and notice this particular trend. laowhy and serpentza post videos entitled "Are Chinese girls easy?" and "China's masculinity crisis" in order to attract people afflicted by yellow fever to come watch them.
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Rudolf Adler te envita Studies have shown that Asians are among the most intelligent and diligent people, with long histories and rich cultures. People often stereotype Asians as hardworking, smart, good at math, good at science, good with money and having a good head for business. Stereotypical Asian jobs in the past have an element of hard work to them, such as railroad construction workers, rickshaw drivers, laborers (coolies), chefs (of Chinese restaurants) dry cleaners, laundromat workers, massage parlours and nail salons. If they save up money to send their kids to school, then their kids often studied hard, and not fool around in school, graduating to take on stereotypical Asian jobs like doctors, dentists, lawyers, engineers, programmers, bankers, scientists, businessmen, etc.
Of course this is all merely stereotypes people have about Asians and not all of us follow the above stereotypes. But it must have happened enough times for people to form such stereotypes about Asians. We are often considered to be the "model minority" that is, possessing positive traits such as being seen as industrious, politically inactive, studious, intelligent, productive, and inoffensive people who have elevated their socioeconomic standing through merit, self-discipline and diligence.
But of course in reality every race has their own strengths and weaknesses.
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For example, some Westerners like to complain about the Chinese government abolishing our president term limits. Well then, how do you expect to make long term plans far into the future, if your president has to step down after 4-8 years? China has many 5-year plan, 10-year plan, 20-year plan, 30-year plans set in motion, to map out our future and set goals to achieve by 2020, 2030, 2040, 2050, etc.
In contrast, American presidential term limits only allow US presidents to make short-term plans spanning 4-8 years at the most. After that, the president is forced to step down and your country can't plan longer than 10 years into the future. For example, can you imagine what America will be like in 10 years time? How about 20 years into the future? But for China, we have big plans that are already set in motion by our government.
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+Captain Midnight How is Tibet a nation? Tibet today is an autonomous region of People's Republic of China, as recognized by UN countries like USA, UK, France, Russia, Germany, etc. When people draw the map of PRC, Tibet is regarded as part of Chinese territory by countries all over the world.
Falun Gong is a cult whose cult leader believes that he attained immortality and encourage his followers to donate their savings to him. Even early-stage cancer patients (who could possibly be saved) have been swayed to refuse seeking medical treatment for their condition, and believe that Falun Gong practice will cure their cancer. Look at Falun Gong leader Li Hongzhi 李洪志 living in posh mansion in USA and driving expensive cars, and do you think he is being oppressed at all?
You constantly mock Chinese people lack of recognition, then what about the Japanese lack of recognition for their war crimes? Japanese committed various war atrocities across Asia, from China, Korea, Philippines and there is plenty of evidence for all of this. So far, all the things you mention about China were committed on Chinese citizens, not other races like what Japanese did to Chinese ,Koreans, etc, so again how is all of the points you mentioned related to issues of racism?
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Michael S. People who are foreigners will tend to remain foreigners when they themselves refuse to assimilate into their host country. For example, as a foreigner yourself in America, perhaps do Americans perceive you as one of their own? Do you call Americans your own countrymen, perhaps just like you regard America as your home? Its different just surviving day-to-day in a country, and to actually live in a country.
These guys aren't perfect yes, and my own views differ greatly from theirs indeed. Its because while growing up in China in 1980s, my family was poor, despite both my parents being working engineers. In the 90s, our family shifted into an apartment. By early 2000s, we could afford our first computer, and then by 2010s every one of our family had a smartphone of our own. It just goes to show that where you grew up greatly influences your viewpoint, just like you have sharing some of your own personal experience growing up in America as well here. But to these guys, it appears China is just a country for them to voice their complains, instead of calling it their homeland.
I agree that a better future only happens if we work together on what can be improved. Its true that China has pollution, corruption, energy needs, etc, but a strong firm government is needed to implement change. For example, China built the world's largest hydroelectric power station, Three Gorges Dam to help supply China with renewable green energy to power our growth. China is still heavily coal-dependent, but is taking steps to ban fossil fuel powerplants and switch to green energy. And corruption is rampant in our government, but President Xi is at least conducting corruption crackdown campaign and doing something about it.
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Michael S. I personally believe, that if you want to fit into a new culture, you should start by seeing yourself as one of the local people. Like supposedly if I want to fit in America, I would think of what Americans want, what are American people's dreams and aspirations, what are their fears and so on. Once you start seeing yourself as a local, then the locals should start seeing you as them. But if you continually see yourself as a foreigner, then locals will also see you as a foreigner.
Agreed that family finances affect your viewpoint and overall outlook. People born without having to worry about food, or safety and security (like in America for example) will have different view, from someone who grew up worrying about the next meal. China is still not as well off as America, so people coming to China will find that things are not to their standards.
About positivity, its a good idea to balance both positivity and negativity in videos, so its kinda sad that people like laowhy and serpentza choose to post more negative videos than positive ones (especially the latest ones). I don't mind watching negative videos about China (China is not perfect after all) but if those guys continually post negative video after negative video, then it starts to get a little suspicious after a while.
There are actually many good things about China, but these people seem to concentrate only the negatives. Food poisoning, pollution, censorship, corruption, I'm sure many people heard these before, but they keep on rehashing the same stuff in each episode. So many Chinese people eat the food here in China, and many people don't suffer poisoning. Maybe some people will get food poisoning because of poor body or something, but otherwise millions of Chinese survive (and enjoy) eating our food.
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Rudolf Adler te envita You are entitled to your own opinion about race as am I. No race is absolutely perfect, but I've noticed that many Western men often find Asian women attractive, because they retain traditional notions of feminine beauty. Generally, Asian women (like Chinese, Japanese and Koreans) put effort into their appearance, they exercise regularly and diet to maintain their slim figures as attractive to the opposite sex, they apply facial creams to protect their skin, and so on.
Whereas in the West, feminism is encouraging Western women to act as unfeminine as possible. Beautiful, slim Western girls are being encouraged to dominate their men in relationships, to rebel against authority, to eat whatever they want, to get tattoos and piercings, to grow fat and unattractive, and yet the Western media will tell these women that men will find them attractive. Some men do, but obviously not everyone and if a man finds a woman ugly, he is often blamed as being "shallow" and that the woman does not deserve him.
That's one possible reason why some Western men are simply fed up with the state of feminism in the West, telling them what to find attractive. Many often turn to Asia and seeking out Asian partners because they retain traditional feminine virtues. Because Western feminism is destroying their own feminine virtues.
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Rudolf Adler te envita I do agree that Germanic have some good genes and traits (that's why Hitler supported an Aryan Race) but unlike Hitler, it is actually the Jews that were the intelligent ones. Generally speaking, Jews were cunning, thrifty, good with money, had a good head for business, and placed importance on family and education, thus, they share many similar traits with Asians in this regard.
As a hormone, testosterone has both good and bad things about it. During wartime, it motivates soldiers to kill the enemy and results in increase physical performance, but during peacetime, it may result in increased aggressiveness and so on.
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Nabium How do you know what Chinese people have access to? Chinese people can watch Japanese anime too, from websites like 哔哩哔哩 Bilibili, a video sharing website themed around anime, manga, and game fandom based in China. I grew up watching Transformers tv series too, so what are you talking about?
Regarding American TV shows, we can watch The Walking Dead, Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. Breaking Bad and South Park online so what's the big idea here? You think every Chinese person watches television that's all? We are living in digital age, so why are you looking at China through TV shows only?
That video about Chinese being descended from different homonid species must be about Peking Man, which was homonid discovered in China. Its not just Chinese who thought this was true, because Franz Weidenreich (1873 – 1948) considered Peking Man as a human ancestor and specifically an ancestor of the Chinese people, as seen in his original multiregional model of human evolution in 1946.
Open country or not, China joined WTO in 2001 and has been striving towards more openess when Deng Xiaoping introduced economic reforms in 1970s. But other countries like USA and Europe have some of the most protectionist policies in place that make them seem less open than China.
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+Captain Midnight If Japanese people don't agree with their PM, then why is Abe's support at an all time high right now? Your article was set in 2015, but right now like you said, they support Abe in militarizing the Japanese army. Also, those that protest are students, who like students everywhere, are idealistic and their world consists of textbooks and not about the real political situation faced in Japan today.
So you think the Jews would be happy if the Germans erected a shrine dedicated to Nazism and Hitler? You clearly don't know Asian cultural and dismiss what Japanese people are doing by honoring their ancestors in a warshrine, like Yasukuni shrine. The Japanese Class-A warcriminals should be housed in a war museum, which is neutral territory, instead of a warshrine where Japanese people go to worship.
What evidence do you have to show that Japanese were aware of the full extent their warcrimes? Younger generation of Japanese people think "comfort" women are "well-paid prostitutes" generously paid for their services. The following source illustrates this and claims that If they were paid, they weren't victims, but workers. It also says that the women were forced to serve several soldiers in a day, and weren't allowed to refuse soldiers.
Comfort Women During WWII deniseworldpolitics.weebly.com/comfort-women.html
If you still think Japanese isn't racist, then why they subject such cruelty onto people of other races, by invading their territory and raping our women? Even South Koreans are against Japanese denial of Comfort Women issue, and have even erected a bronze statue of a young girl as a protest outside Japanese embassy. Its not just the Chinese here who are protesting.
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+China Driving Observations "but I really cannot view it as a tourist destination" According to World Tourism Ranking, as of 2015, China is the 4th most popular tourist destination in the world, after France, United States, and Spain, with 56.9 million international tourists per year, and China is the most visited Asian country in the world, surpassing even Japan, Korea and India.
World Tourism Ranking wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Tourism_rankings
As for historical sites, China ranks 2nd in the world in number of UNESCO World Heritage Sites, with 53 sites, only behind Italy/Rome at number 1 with 54 sites.
World Heritage site wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Heritage_site
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Nabium I have shown that countries all have their own degree of censorship, whether its USA, UK, Canada, etc. Even your country has censorship laws in place against hardcore porn, so why are you blaming China's censorship, just because it is to larger degree than yours?
Guam is part of US territory, but the people aren't allowed to vote for Presidential Elections, similar to other US territories like Puerto Rico. So I have at least shown that the US Press Freedom Index is "incomplete" in the sense that not all of US media in all its territories are taken into account.
You said previously that "the whole of the Norwegian people, chose to censor porn." but how do you know that? Do 100% of the Norwegian people choose to censor porn, or is it the majority only? If its only the majority, then why do you claim the whole of Norway choose to do so?
Also, you said previously that: " Transformers and the Walking Dead are not going to open anyone's eyes about other cultures. " But USA has this "Zombie Apocalypse" obsession, evident in their shows, movies, video games and Halloween costumes, so why is The Walking Dead series not introducing China to American culture? Similarly, Transformers is about giant robotic aliens, common in Japanese "mech" culture, so why is it not introducing Chinese to Japanese "mech" culture? Where is your logic here?
Before claiming "刘晓波 died in jail", you said: "Your government is imprisoning and even killing people with differing opinions." so why did you make that earlier statement then?
Your sources about Falun Gong Organ Harvesting is mostly speculation without actual evidence. China performs about 10,000 organ transplants but people like Ethan Gutmann just grossly exaggerates the figure from 10,000 to 100,000? And you just believe what he says without proof?
"We are looking at not 10,000 transplants per year in China, but something more like 60,000 to 100,000 transplants a year in China." - Ethan Gutmann
According to the following source, the estimated number of organ transplants worldwide in 2015 was about 126,670 so you mean China suddenly has the capability to perform 100,000 transplants by ourselves? Where do we get all the doctors to perform a number of transplants almost equal to that of the rest of the world?
Source: Estimated number of organ transplants worldwide in 2015 statista.com/statistics/398645/global-estimation-of-organ-transplantations/
Why don't you step back from your biased view of China, and take a look at the figures carefully?
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Carolyn Jackson That's because those countries (grouped together) are among the world's most populous nations. China, India, Indonesia, Brazil, Pakistan, Nigeria, etc, have high populations so naturally there are more cancer cases. In my source, the cancer rate is calculated out of every 100,000 people in the country, so despite China's large population, less there is significantly less cases than in, say every 100,000 people in USA for example.
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+Bruce Leroy Pfft. Didn't Westerners themselves invent the concept of Libtard and numerous other insults against Liberals? You really think Americans have "choice" simply because you can vote? You spouted an entire list of "progressive" goals to achieve, but have you truly met any of them sufficiently?
I mean, just because its called "progressive" doesn't automatically mean that it is progressing in the right direction. Liberalism encompass a wide range of topics, from democracy, workers rights to LGBT rights, to Feminism and many more topics impossible to cover entirely so I will just touch on a few.
Feminism: Feminism in the West has become more like male-hating than true gender equality. Women are encouraged to dominate their men in relationships and in the workplace, sometimes acting downright aggressive to men. Young, beautiful girls are encouraged eat whatever they want, to get tattoos and piercings, to act "unladylike", to grow fat and unattractive, and yet, the Western media will tell them that men will desire them and find them attractive. If they are attracted by your looks, then they are "shallow" people and they don't deserve you. Are you sure that's what you want for society?
LGBT rights: Homosexual marriage is encouraged and same-sex couples can adopt children. Is this really considered progressive? By destroying the basic family unit (man + woman + any kids they had together) many social problems have been created. What happens to those adopted kids at school if they get bullied/made fun of? How will they grow up with such a different mindset of a family?
Workers Right: People are always asking for more rights, more pay, less work, more healthcare, etc. The impact of this is that America becomes less and less productive and competitive overall as a nation. Who pays for all those improvements? In time, your jobs will start flowing to Chinese and other lower paid workers, because of American workers higher salaries and so on.
Democracy: (When a court declares a law unconstitutional, the citizens may override that ruling by popular vote) This line cracks me up. So you mean laws made by qualified lawyers can suddenly be overturned because of popular vote? Who is more qualified to pass laws, the judges and lawyers, or the ordinary citizen? Why you people obsessed with "democracy" seem to think that the most popular vote is right?
In my opinion, politics should be about doing what's right, NOT what's popular. Sometimes, the popular thing may not be right, and the right thing may not be popular. Democracy is only doing what's popular, not necessarily what's right.
Look at Brexit for example. You mean just because the British held a referendum and voted to leave the EU, means that Britain must leave the EU? Why don't you let the politicians decide the future of the country, instead of leaving it in the hands of the common people? Do the common people know enough about politics to make such important decisions regarding the country's future?
My final statement is simply stating your parties entire list of goals, doesn't automatically mean that it will accomplish anything. Have you people achieved any of the goals you set out to do?
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@wisdomleader85 Initially, serpentza don't seem to fit into his home South Africa (which was why he left SA). When he comes to China, he always seems to be blaming the environment, or the people, or the culture, or the government, etc in his videos about China. He blames everything else except himself, and he somehow seems to expect countries to cater to him, instead of serpentza assimilating into his host countries cultures. It's like somehow he has this "white privilege" mentality and expect other countries to meet his expectations.
It is clear that serpentza isn't compatible with China, and from his mannerism and his behavior, he looks like he would fit into Western country like Britain for example. So why does he continue to live here in China?
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+Captain Midnight If you claim Japanese people are anti-war, then why their PM Shinzo Abe visit the Yasukuni Warshrine memorial, where Class-A Japanese war criminals are housed, in order to pay their respects to their ancestors? Japanese have also modified their historical textbooks to leave out gruesome details of their atrocities in order to "whitewash" their history as shown in this link en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_history_textbook_controversies
What atrocities are Chinese government committing now that rivals that of Japan during WW2? China don't invade your countries to rape your women, unlike what Japan did during WW2. Ethnic minority groups in China actually treated better than Han Chinese, because they aren't subject to One-Child Policy, and can have as many kids of their own. As ethnic minorities, they enjoy special tax exemptions, healthcare and educational bursaries. For example, if qualifying for higher education, if Han Chinese need say 500 points to qualify, ethnic minority (like Tibetan, Uighur, Mongolian, etc) need only 300 points (easier to qualify) for the same course as Han Chinese.
Do you actually watch any Chinese movies to know what you are talking about? There are also Chinese movies which portray Japan in positive light. For example, in Lou Ye's Purple Butterfly 紫蝴蝶 in 2003, there is a romance between Chinese girl and Japanese student in Japanese controlled Manchukuo. In Jet Li's 2006 Huo Yuanjia 霍元甲 there is an honorable Japanese samurai, who realizes that his superiors had poisoned Huo Yuanjia and called out on their treachery. Why are you acting like all Chinese films portray Japanese as the devil?
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+Captain Midnight Those Monks are involved in political separatist movement masterminded by Dalai Lama, who is using these monks to support his political cause while he is in exile in India. People like Labrang Jigme also exaggerate their torture, such as saying he was "beaten" up for 2 days, but look at him and do you see any visible bruises on his body? Or is he making up propaganda for Westerners to wield against China? He also doesn't represent what every Tibetan think of Chinese government. Chinese government only relocate Tibetans because their old houses were extremely backward, lacking facilities like plumbing, electricity and gas, so the government renovate those houses to modernize them and make living more comfortable for Tibetans.
Monasteries may have been destroyed during Cultural Revolution, but the communist party has long admitted to Mao's adverse policies and begin rebuilding the Tibetan monasteries destroyed during the revolution. The Monasteries also serve as tourist attractions, and because of this, Tibet has a growing tourist industry, thanks to the Qinghai railway built to connect the normally isolated Tibet to the rest of the world. Tibet is open for tourism today and not isolated from the rest of the world, thanks to Qinghai railway.
Only Tibetan's suspected of being separatists have their passport revoked, but otherwise, Tibetans can travel to India on pilgrimage to see the 14th Dalai Lama. There are also Tibetan students studying abroad, in countries like South Korea and Japan as part of exchange program between our countries.
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韋龍 ROC claims all of mainland China (including Tibet, Xinjiang, Inner Mongolia, etc) as part of their territory. ROC also claims parts of Mongolia, Burma, Bhutan, India, Japan, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Russia and Tajikistan as part of its territory. So who is the cult organization here? Who lost the Chinese civil war in reality but still believes that it controls the territory of Qing Dynasty China?
Source: Map of ROC Administrative and Claims en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:ROC_Administrative_and_Claims.svg
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Michael S. "Anyways learning your language is much more difficult...The only other languages you'd have a hard time with are the ones with lots of characters, like Japanese, and ancient Egyptian or Sumerian."
China has 5000 years of history and is among the world's oldest "continuous" civilizations still alive today, whereas other great ancient civilizations like Mesopotamia, Rome and Egypt have since faded to history. The Chinese written language has been continuously in use since 1200 BCE whereas other ancient languages like Sumerian Cuneiform, Latin and Egyptian Hieroglyphs are considered "dead" languages today.
About speaking broken English in America, don't the local Americans consider these people who speak broken English as "non-Americans" or "foreigners"? Your Russian, Romanian and Chinese neighbours, do the local Americans consider them to be Americans? Have they bothered to learn English well and attempt to assimilate into American culture, rather than retain their own culture? If they didn't, then local Americans will tend to consider them foreigners living in America (even when they lived in USA for 30 years like you said)
Since the same thing happens in USA, then why can't I say laowhy and serpentza don't consider China their homeland, or Chinese people their fellow countrymen? Integration is a matter of choice and effort, and people who don't make an effort (like those Russians, Romanians, Chinese in America that you mentioned), they aren't making attempts to Americanize themselves.
That's why Americans tend to get frustrated with those people. Its the same in China.
You said "Plus Mandarin is super super super difficult." Then likewise, I can also say English is super super super difficult. Difficulty is relative. Most Chinese can't speak English well, even Japanese and Koreans tend to speak horrible English. Look at the Russians and Romanians you mentioned having difficulty with English while in America. Wouldn't you say English is a difficult language too?
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+Michael S. Exactly. Most Americans (but not all) start labeling people who look exotic or speak broken English as foreigners in America and its the same thing in China. Just like those Russians and Romanians you mentioned, they are bound to be considered foreigners by Americans (whether they voice it or not) because of their poor English, despite living in USA for 30 years.
The thing about USA is that there is so much stuff you simply cannot say and everyone is afraid speaking openly, because of a new phenomenon called "political correctness". This PC culture means people can't voice their true opinions, because its not the politically correct thing to do. For example, progressives in USA advocate LGBT rights, and people who speak out against LGBT get "shamed" (even when it might be their true opinion) The Transgender bathroom issue can be open to possible abuse by male sexual predators dressing up in order to sneak into women's bathroom. But because LGBT rights is considered "progressive" that many Americans join in without considering the possible consequences.
But enough about America and I don't want to open a can of worms about LGBT issues. And yes, Chinese people aren't known for being politically correct.
Its true that China has a common goal. Americans have the American Dream, where any poor immigrant to America can some day, strike it rich and become successful. The Chinese Dream is the eventual rejuvenation of China and in fact, the CCP put up many 5-year plans, 10-year plans, 15-year plans, 20-year plans etc, to map our China's future in 2020, 2030, 2040 and to achieve specific goals by then. In my opinion, its much better to have a plan and a goal to achieve and to slowly work towards it.
About learning a new language, it helps when in your entire environment, everyone is speaking it. Because America is so diverse, not everybody speaks English and that may account for why people speak broken English in America. Whereas in China, everything is in Chinese, including the signs, the menus, the stations names, yet serpentza and laowhy still only have basic understanding of Chinese language? Even after living in China for 10-15 years?
Even their Chinese wives have to speak English to them (probably most of the time too) because they themselves refuse to integrate into actual Chinese culture. Especially while living in Chinese soil. If they were living in American soil, then I'll have nothing to say about that.
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Michael S. Its not just the language alone, its the fact that serpentza and laowhy don't make an effort to understand Chinese culture enough (language is merely the means to better understand Chinese culture) and all I want is to promote better understanding between our cultures is all.
Sure, their lack of Mandarin proficiency won't impact Mandarin-speaking Chinese here much. But on the other hand, their English will influence their subscribers's opinion of China, and like I said recently, most of their latest videos have been largely negative about China, and frankly, I'm sick of them constantly complaining about China while residing in China.
For example, one of serpentza's quirks is that he creates this whole "evil uncle" conspiracy, highlighting Chinese people looking at him and labeling them for staring at him. But look at serpentza, he dresses in a suit and sunglasses, (while the other Chinese around him are dressed casually) and he speaks loudly in unfamiliar English to his phone. So Chinese people are bound to stare at him (because of his dress and his language) and then he tags them as "evil" in his videos.
Over the years, I've come to the conclusion that these two people don't mean China any good, and they mean China harm instead. Every video, they won't hesitate to criticise (even over the most minor issues) and yet, their subscribers continue to praise them (Patreon members make donations too)
Its your America's choice if you want to call people who blame foreigners as "racists". But lets get real here, some of America's problems stem from just readily accepting immigrants into their country. For example, Muslims refugees often immigrate to America. But many Muslims continue to retain their religious beliefs like wearing Muslim veils for the women, instead of adapting to America's majority Christian religion. This creates social tensions, but the Americans can't voice their opinion (because they will be labelled as Islamophobes for doing so). Why can't people just be honest with themselves? Why hide behind the need to appear "politically correct"?
Also, as far as I know, no Chinese blames serpentza for China's internal problems like pollution, corruption, food poisoning, etc. Chinese people are well aware of these problems and taking steps to fix it (such as the government planing to ban all non-electric cars by 2040 for example). But then, laowhy and serpentza will continue to nitpick and find faults with everything we do.
About hating your neighbour because he has a nicer car or a nice house, I don't think Chinese people envy serpentza's or laowhy's position. They don't have Chinese citizenship, they drive modest cars and they live in apartments where the Immigration Department can call upon to inspect their VISAs. Also its not that Chinese people don't want to "work together" with serpentza and laowhy, but how to work together when serpentza and laowhy refuse to assimilate into Chinese culture?
For example, does serpentza and laowhy ever team up with a local Chinese (who isn't their wives) to make a video together? Some Chinese subscribers drop by and appear in their videos once in a while, but you never get to hear their views. In the end, serpentza, laowhy, prozzie tend to stick to the same old groups instead.
Like I said previously in my last paragraph: They themselves refuse to integrate into actual Chinese culture, especially while in Chinese soil. If they were on American soil instead, then I'll have nothing to say.
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Chinese workers come to African countries like Nigeria, Angola, Kenya, etc, to help build roads, railways, highways, infrastructure, schools, hotels, hospitals, shopping centers, football stadiums, telecommunication projects, to make African society better. China has done much in Africa in decades, compared to what Westerners did in Africa for centuries.
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+Mirozen You've no "complaints" about his English proficiency, then why did you said earlier that "He needs to master the sentence structure used by a native speaker of English." Even I myself don't claim to have mastered the sentence structure used by a native speaker of English, since English is not even my 1st language!
But you said earlier that "his sentence structure shows that his native language is almost certainly Chinese" then perhaps could you enlighten me on how his sentence structure indicates his native language to be Chinese. In that comment you highlighted (I'm White, U r just one of the many self hating immigrants.....) he doesn't actually show anything that is specifically indicative of Chinese sentence structure.
About Dave Satun's rudeness, initially he wasn't rude and didn't become rude until other users started hurling vulgarities at him and accusing him of being a wumao. If you pick on his posts being rude, aggressive, defensive, offensive, ignorant, etc, then what about the others who first started accusing him of being a wumao? His comment that "Google and FB are US military tools" is not what I would consider ignorant, since media is the backbone of any political propaganda campaign.
He claims to be Caucasian, but it doesn't automatically mean English is his native language, as he could be French, German, Irish or from all manner of countries that Caucasians usually hail from. It certainly doesn't mean that someone has to be proficient in English to be Caucasian!
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+Mirozen First you said "He needs to master the sentence structure used by a native speaker of English" (now with an addition:) "if he expects people not to assume he's Wu Mao". Then later you mentioned that my English happens to be "Better than many native English speakers". This shows that even among native English speakers, there exists varying degrees of English proficiency so who can truly determine where the baseline for the English standard is, for a native speaker of English?
YouTube is an informal Internet forum, and users may themselves have good English, but still choose to contract their sentences in their posts. Therefore you can't truly assume whether someone is good or bad in English online, until they demonstrate their true capabilities. Heck, scratch that, it may not even be the same user typing out the same posts each time.
You mentioned that Dave Satun "drops" certain keywords in certain comments, then perhaps you could enlighten me to which words were supposedly dropped from his sentences? Also, dropping certain English words from sentence is not just restricted to Chinese, and even Spanish speakers sometimes do away with some words, and the English they speak becomes a sort of "broken" English (sometimes known as Pidgin English) But the term is not restricted to Chinese speakers attempting to speak English alone.
About Dave Satun posting rude comments like "you are just one of the many self hating immigrants (white wannabes) living in Shitamerica", as far as I know, there is nothing truly pro-Chinese in that statement alone, so why are claiming it as such? And you seem to refuse to consider the abusive comments directed against him, such as 岷褪黨素菜1 posting "@Dave Satun you're retarded" or "@Dave Satun Fucking Wumao, good job 👏👏👏". Why is it that you single out Dave Satun's comments, but not the ones who are attacking him personally? I've read the entire comment thread a few times, and Dave Satun did not start using rude terms, until others started attacking him with vulgarities first. It just gives off the impression that you are somehow prejudiced against him that's all.
About his point of people starving on the streets of L. A, I did a quick search, and about 44,000 people in L. A are homeless. I personally don't think that he is being ignorant in mentioning the situation in L. A, and you can't possibly think that all 44,000 people are homeless because of mental illness!
ON THE STREETS -- a feature documentary on homelessness in L.A.
Video: youtube.com/watch?v=WUsJcPc8g0A
About him being a Caucasian but not a native speaker of English, so far, you have yet to produce evidence yourself, that his sentence structure in English mimics that of the Chinese sentence structure. All you seem to do is repeat the same point that his sentence structure follows that of the Chinese language, without ever explaining why or going in to detail.
His comments are mostly about America and Taiwan (and I do agree with him that Taiwan is merely catering to US's interests, not for Chinese interests) so why do you claim that his comments on YouTube that give people a negative attitude towards China and the Chinese people?
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+Mirozen I'll try to shorten my posts. If you believe that "Even native speakers of English have variances in structure and vocabulary that are indicative of where they are from." then you can't possibly claim "He needs to master the sentence structure used by a native speaker of English". Since native speakers of English exhibit variances in structure, then there's no way to master something that exhibit such variances.
Re:Paragraph (4) I did not say that you claimed EVERY post made by Satun was "pro-Chinese" all I said was "there is nothing truly pro-Chinese in THAT STATEMENT alone,". Because there really is nothing in that statement that is pro-Chinese, only anti-American that's all, so why did you claim he is posting pro-Chinese content? He's talking about immigrants in America, and somehow that is considered pro-Chinese by you?
Actually, the better point is not him being insulted by being labelled a wumao its the fact that 岷褪黨素菜1 used clearly offensive terms like "You're retarded" and "Fucking" in his posts addressed to Dave Satun. Yet you seem blind to those blatantly offensive terms and instead you choose to focus on the term wumao instead? Why do you appear to selectively ignore other commenters' rudeness (岷褪黨素菜1 for example) and single out Dave Satun?
Re:Paragraph (5) Homeless is one problem in LA but that does not mean starvation in LA does not exist. Here another source showcasing hunger in LA and according to Feeding America, more than 1 million children and teens in Los Angeles are eligible for subsidized meals and may be at risk of hunger, especially during the summer months. Of those, 650,000, more than half, are considered “food insecure.”
Ending Childhood Hunger, Starting with Los Angeles
http://sodexoinsights.com/ending-childhood-hunger-starting-with-los-angeles/
Starving to death in America is the same as starving to death in 3rd world countries. Starvation is starvation, death is death, and people die of starvation in 1st world and 3rd world countries. I personally wouldn't consider such remarks to be "ignorant", and its those who continue to look the other way of such plights in 1st world countries, that are truly ignorant.
About claiming his sentence structure mimics/follows or is similar to Chinese sentence structure, I ask you HOW? How do you know that his sentence structure is similar to Chinese? Which examples show that his structure is similar to Chinese sentence structures? What are those missing "keywords" he dropped? You have consistently failed to prove how his sentence structure follows that of Chinese language and you refuse to name even a single example where his sentence structure follows Chinese instead of English.
Dave Satun had said "Taiwan is a cheap brothel 4 americans" and "the real micro SHITaiwan backed by the US military" but how exactly do these comments give a negative impression of China? He didn't even mention China at all in those statements! Yet you claim his posts gives off the opposite of a positive impression of China? Where is the link to "China" in his words, when he himself did not even mention China at all?
The thing is, why can't he post comments against a video that was describing the type of comments he was making? Why can't he limit his response to short remarks, inside of typing out long paragraphs like the both of us? It's possible his command of English isn't that good, and that's one possible reason why his responses are limited.
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+Mirozen 1st Paragraph: How do you know that his sentence structure appears to be from a person who speaks Chinese as their native language? What are those "keywords" you claims he dropped? You completely fail to elaborate exactly where does his sentence structure follows Chinese, you just keep on repeating that it is, without providing solid proof. Do you even know Chinese, and Chinese sentence structure at all? Or are you shooting off your mouth without proof?
2nd Paragraph: Again, you fail to elaborate how exactly is Dave Satun's comments pro-Chinese. He didn't even mention China at all, only Taiwan and America, and somehow you draw some insane conclusion that his comments are pro-Chinese? He didn't even mention "China" for heaven's sake, just talked about America and Taiwan, so where on Earth do you draw your senseless conclusions from?
3rd Paragraph: You have consistently failed to prove that his sentence structure is from a person who speaks Chinese as his native language, so what good does standing by your own stand do? You clearly ignored blatantly offensive words like "You're Retarded" and "Fucking" that were made by 岷褪黨素菜1 and instead picked on Dave Satun for his retaliation against 岷褪黨素菜1. He even clearly says he's white, but I'm sure your just going to ignore that as well. Dave Satun didn't use vulgarities initially, and only when others hurled such profanities against him that he began retaliating.
And you posted the same set of points you made in the previous comment. Why repost it? I've already made my response to those points, so what does reposting them do any good?
4th Paragraph: You just say my additional information supports exactly what I've been saying? How? America has people starving, and 3rd world countries has people starving too, so how is that different? Previously, you have been adamantly claiming that being "homeless" and "starving" are different, and now you are suddenly accepting that America has people starving, once I shown my information? Starvation is starvation and death is death. Go tell those starving Americans that they are different from 3rd world people starving to death, and see if they label you as ignorant.
6th Paragraph: If I listen to someone who has learned Chinese Mandarin as a 2nd language, yes I can usually tell that Chinese Mandarin is not their native language. However, I won't be able to accurately tell whether his/her 1st language is English, French, German, Spanish, Russian, etc. Unless I know the other language as well, I won't proclaim that the speaker is a native speaker English or French or German, etc. Even in your examples, you fail to illustrate exactly how exactly you know Dave Satun's sentence structure follows that of Chinese sentence structure.
7th Paragraph: About Dave Satun being petty and insecure, I could say the same thing about 岷褪黨素菜1 for his/her use of vulgarities against Dave Satun (who was merely expressing his own views bluntly, without vulgarities) But its like this 岷褪黨素菜1 is somehow completely invisible to you, and you have completely ignored his/her provocative comments to Dave Satun, and just focused on picking on the latter. 岷褪黨素菜1 doesn't even address Dave Satun's comments before launching a profanity barrage against him.
8th Paragraph: 1) Its his own choice to post his comments after watching such a video. But where do these people who accuse him of being a wumao, get their impression of him from? They just watch some video posted by some guy and assume he's a wumao with zero proof of their own?
2) It could be he types short sentences because he's using his phone or some other device smaller than a PC. If you claim he does so to make money, then why isn't he responding to you?
3) Oh now you suddenly claim he shows an excellent command of English? Why the sudden abrupt change in view? Where does he demonstrate that he has excellent command of the English language?
Enjoy your flight and safe journeys.
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@kirb_erus What makes you think Chinese people are oppressed? Chinese people are free to travel overseas for work, study or play. Everyone has heard of Chinese tourists visiting your lands and spending money on your economies. Your Western schools and universities are positively flooded by Chinese international students, studying the same topics as their peers. Chinese companies like Huawei, Xiaomi, Lenovo, ZTE, Oppo, etc, are expanding overseas and hiring your people, and Chinese investors are buying up property and real estate in your countries.
So what makes you think Chinese people are oppressed? Chinese people can be found virtually all over the globe today, since we make up a fifth of the world's population today. Go to your local neighborhood and how many Chinese nationals can you find? Or go to your local university and ask your local students how they feel about the "Chinese competition"
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@trunginh2421 Evil? China is currently at peace and not at war with any country, since our last major conflict in 1979. Instead of making war, China is building infrastructure like roads, railways, highways, bridges, tunnels, powerstations, dams, ports, airports, etc and investing in developing countries like Sri Lanka, Nepal, Bangladesh, Pakistan, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Tajikistan, and also African countries like Nigeria, Kenya, Chad, Sudan, Ghana, Mozambique, Tanzania, etc.
Whereas the United States is warmonger being involved in Gulf War, Iraq War, Afghan War, Libyan War, Syrian War, Yemen War, etc, even in the 21st century. USA is bombing in those Middle Eastern countries and enacting regime change by cutting off their "heads" (Saddam Hussein, Muammar Gaddafi, etc) and then installing their own US puppet governments in place.
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@trunginh2421 Granted, the Communist Party of China is not perfect (then again which government body truly is?) but despite its initial failures and setbacks, under its leadership, China's population doubled, our lifespans doubled, our literacy rates doubled, and our poverty rates plummeted.
China was once a dirt-poor, war-torn, starving country similar to India (world's largest democracy) in the past, but today, China has since transformed into world's 2nd largest economy, the world's factory (Made in China) having world's 2nd highest R&D spending, protected by world's largest land army, the People's Liberation Army, funded by world's 2nd highest military expenditure.
And it's all been achieved under communist party leadership, despite Western anti-Communist propaganda constantly denouncing China's success all along.
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@georgeinjapan6583 About the Social Credit System, many foreigners often complain Chinese people spit in public, smoke in non-smoking areas, jump queues, disobey traffic rules, jay walk, drive on wrong side of the road, speed through red lights, etc when not all Chinese people are like that. We Chinese feel embarrassed that such bad people represent China overseas, so the government introduce social credit system to discourage such bad behaviour and promote better behaviour instead. This is a meritocratic system where good behaviour is rewarded and bad behaviour penalised.
But if such people persist with bad behaviour, until their scores fall to become unacceptable, then they will be barred from purchasing plane tickets to fly out of China and make nuisances of themselves overseas. At least until their scores improve until it becomes acceptable for them to travel again.
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@georgeinjapan6583 Granted, the Communist Party of China is not perfect (then again which government body truly is?) but despite its initial failures and setbacks, under its leadership, China's population doubled, our lifespans doubled, our literacy rates doubled, and our poverty rates plummeted.
China was once a dirt-poor, war-torn, starving country similar to India (world's largest democracy) in the past, but today, China has since transformed into world's 2nd largest economy, the world's factory (Made in China) having world's 2nd highest R&D spending, protected by world's largest land army, the People's Liberation Army, funded by world's 2nd highest military expenditure.
And it's all been achieved under communist party leadership, despite Western anti-Communist propaganda constantly denouncing China's success all along.
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@georgeinjapan6583 So if I fail to convince you (even after I use logic and cite articles, statistics) does that mean that you simply refuse to admit that China is successful under the Communist Party of China? If you claimed that China did not need the CPC before, then why was China a dirt-poor, war-torn, starving country under the previous "democratic" Republic of China (1912-1949)? Why did the ROC 🇹🇼 lose the mainland to People's Republic of China 🇨🇳 and had to flee to Formosa (Taiwan)?
During the Chinese Civil War, the communists were at a severe disadvantage; they were mostly poorly trained peasants, their weapons were lousy, and they had far fewer numbers (only 50 communist members in 1921) over the Kuomintang. The KMT on the other hand, had massive wealth (they taxed the peasants heavily) they had superior weapons, better training, and far superior numbers over the the communists. Securing victory against the communists should have been a piece of cake for the KMT.
Yet the communists survived all KMT attempts to wipe them out, employing strategies like "Long March" (长征) and despite KMT's initial advantages, the KMT still lost the mainland to communists and had to flee to Formosa (Taiwan). This demonstrates KMT's gross incompetence in their right to rule the mainland.
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+China Driving Observations Trump was an heir to a business empire from his father, whereas Xi Jinping's father was ex-propaganda chief banished to the countryside during the Cultural Revolution. As a child he lived in a cave house, feeding pigs and cleaning toilets, before returning to the party and rising through the ranks
How Xi Jinping Went From Feeding Pigs to Ruling China
Source: youtube.com/watch?v=D_WY63wm6Hw
Even today, President Xi Jinping is among the world's least paid world leaders, at just $22,000 a year.
As for the "thin-skin" comment, why are you getting so upset and obsessed over it? I have shown to be willing to engage in rational debate (as shown in my previous post).
All I did was ask a question, that why do you seem to post a wall of text in response to my comments about laowhy and serpentza? Yet by asking this simple question, I am considered being obsessed on that, to the exclusion of everything else?
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+China Driving Observations About Xi Jinping amassing that wealth before becoming President, lets face it, the real world is ruled by money and modern China is no exception. Realistically, you'll need capital in order to enact change upon the world. In the bloodthirsty and cutthroat politics of the CCP, you won't get far as a lowly-paid official unless you can garner support from other members. Its the truth of politics worldwide.
But its precisely this type of environment, that China's leaders are forged and groomed to become powerful. Power should not just be freely given to people unless they can hold it. Look at Donald Trump just waltzing into the White House, because he criticized and attacked his political opponents, and preyed on voters gullibility with false promises of making America great again. And just like that, he won.
In China's case, if you want change, you join the CCP and start working your way up the ranks, garnering support from other CCP members. Its a slow and tedious process, but at least Chinese leaders have attained lots of political experience before assuming their post. If you don't want change, then you are excluded from the voting process, so as not to jeopardize the elections.
China's political system is not in any way perfect, but it helps ensures that people who do vote are politically aware and qualified to do so, and the billions of other unqualified people do not interfere in elections.
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+Movin On How is my analysis of them so embarrassingly off? Could you elaborate on their characters then? After watching their videos, I get the impression that serpentza and laowhy don't consider China their homeland, neither do they consider Chinese people their own fellow countrymen. They constantly refer to China like its some strange foreign place filled with people with cultures different from their own.
To me, they are just "working" in China, but they aren't truly "living" in China.
The term "Yellow Fever" has its origins in the West, not in China. And didn't serpentza and laowhy married Chinese wives and moved to China? Is it because they couldn't make it in their own home country, that's why they moved to China?
About comparing Chinese women with South Korea, Japan, Vietnam, Thailand, etc, every person have their own tastes. But why do you think China is the last place to go to? China has the world's largest population and there are many Chinese dating websites set up to hook up singles, much more than Korean, Japanese, other Asian websites.
I mean, go to any dating website and what percentage of the profiles do you think are Chinese?
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+China Driving Observations What "billion dollar fortune" are you talking about? According to most sources, President Xi Jinping's net worth is about $100 million, so where do you arrive at your billion dollar figure? From Bloomberg you say? Is this the source you are talking about?
Source: China's incoming president Xi Jinping's family 'has wealth of hundreds of millions'
telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/china/9365099/Chinas-incoming-president-Xi-Jinpings-family-has-wealth-of-hundreds-of-millions.html
According to the above source, it is Xi Jinping's FAMILY that has a wealth of billions of dollars, and it's the FAMILY that owns numerous assets, stakes and other investments, including the villa.
Most of the traceable fortune is held by Mr Xi's older sister, Qi Qiaoqiao, 63, her husband Deng Jiagui, 61, and her daughter Zhang Yannan, 33. No assets were traced to Mr Xi himself, his wife Peng Liyuan, or their daughter. There is also no indication that Mr Xi helped to advance his relatives' business, or of any wrongdoing by Mr Xi or his family, Bloomberg said.
Did you happen to misread the news article, assuming that the billions of dollars of assets belongs to Xi Jinping alone? Those assets weren't traced to Mr Xi himself as mentioned in Bloomberg.
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+Alex T At first, I liked serpentza's and laowhy's initial videos about China, because they depict both the good and bad points about China in a fair light. However, over the years, they changed somewhat and the latest videos about China have all been largely negative, negative, negative.
It's apparent that they don't consider China their home at all and they aren't adapting well to Chinese culture and language. I mean, they stayed in China for like what? 10 years? 15 years? I know they joined in early 2000s, but their Chinese proficiency is comparable to that of a 5-year old, and you can't have decent conversations with them about various topics in Mandarin.
They continually speak English (and they encouraged their wives to speak English) and they remain fiercely independent instead of assimilating into Chinese culture. I mean, I would have nothing to say if they choose to live in America or UK, but they are living in China and yet they make little effort to adapt to Chinese culture, despite living here for a decade.
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Studies have shown Chinese people are among the most intelligent and diligent people in the world, with long rich history and diverse cultures. People often stereotype Chinese as hardworking, smart, good at math, good at science, good with money and having good head for business. Stereotypical Chinese jobs include doctors, lawyers, engineers, programmers, bankers, scientists, businessmen, etc. And stereotypical blue-collar jobs for Chinese have an element of hard work to them, like railroad construction workers, laborers (coolies), rickshaw drivers, chefs (of Chinese restaurants) grocery stall owners, dry cleaners, laundromat workers, nail salons, massage parlours, etc.
Of course these are just stereotypes, but there must be some element of truth to it. Chinese (and other Asians like Japanese and Koreans) are often prescribed as the "model minority" from the above perceptions and there's a reason why the Mongol and Manchu conquerors of China, eventually assimilated into Chinese culture.
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Nabium In US culture, there is this "Zombie Apocalypse" scenario which is very popular, and incorporated into their shows, movies, even video games. There are many Halloween costume where you dress up as Zombie, so why is you claim The Walking Dead does not open Chinese up to Western culture? Where is your logic here?
Chinese people watch whatever television series that they like, so why are you so concerned about what Chinese people watch on TV? China is not the only country to accept a film or series which had some controversial opinions. Here is list of banned films in countries like USA, Canada, Australia and UK.
Sources:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_films_banned_in_Australia
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_films_banned_in_Canada
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_films_banned_in_the_United_States
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_films_banned_in_the_United_Kingdom
So how the above countries any different from China, in banning controversial movies? Every country has some degree of control over censorship. Are you implying that just because your country banned only hardcore pornographic movies only, means China should follow your country?
That theory is still a theory that existed, so why can't Chinese teach it in our classes? By 1952 Peking Man was considered by some to be a direct ancestor of modern humans and some paleontologists have noted a perceived continuity in skeletal remains, according to the following source
Source:An early modern human from Tianyuan Cave, Zhoukoudian, China ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1871827/
Just because Westerners reject it, does it mean China has to reject it? There is still much information about our origins that is unclear. For example, you said there is up to 4% DNA from Denisovan hominins that the rest of the world do not share, which has been found in East Asians, Melanesians, Aboriginals and Native Americans. But we hardly know anything about these Denisovans, what they looked like, what they eat, how do they live, whether they spoke, etc. What if suddenly in future another theory reveals that we have another distant homonid that is previously undiscovered, like Denisovans?
If you open up your country completely, like in US and Europe, then you will subjecting your local population to immigrants, whom may not share your own culture. Europe is taking in up tens of thousands (perhaps millions) of refugees from the Middle East, seeking to escape the constant wars, but that does not mean that all these immigrants will assimilate into the country. Even Europeans are starting to complain about the refugee crisis, that how the population demographic is changing, and European culture is being "diluted".
China should do well to avoid such scenario as faced in Western country. We should preserve our culture, our language, our traditions as much we can, while of course remaining open to other cultures, through television, movies, media, etc.
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Nabium I have shown that other countries also have varying degrees of film censorship. China's censorship happens to have higher degree of censorship, but what's wrong with that? Aren't countries allowed to have their own censorship laws? Even in your country, hardcore pornographic films are still censored so that proves that censorship laws are in place in your country isn't it?
You claim I lack critical thinking skills? In US culture, the "Zombie Apocalypse" scenario is very popular, and has been incorporated into their shows, movies, video games and Halloween costumes, so why is you claim The Walking Dead series does not open Chinese up to Western culture? Where is your logic here?
How is Falun Gong a "religion" ? It was formed in 1992 by a charismatic leader, Li Hongzhi so its only less than 30 years old. It hijacks concepts from Buddhism, Taoism and Traditional Chinese Qigong, so that should sound off alarm bells that it is a cult in the making. Falun Gong practitioners believe that their leader can cure cancer, and there are cases of early stage cancer patients refusing to seek actual medical treatment, because Falun Gong leader says he can cure them.
Source: culteducation.com/group/1254-falun-gong/6922-is-falun-gong-a-cult.html
If immigration is irrelevant then why is Europe facing an immigration crisis? Why is President Trump banning Muslims immigrants from seven Middle Eastern countries? Nobody force your countries to host Falun Gong members, and you can always turn them over to Chinese authorities if you refuse to accept them.
According to your Freedom of Press Index, there is no information for countries like USA, so how can you be sure that countries like USA is "free"? Also, I have never claimed China is free of censorship, all I claimed is that other countries including USA, Canada, UK, Australia have censorship laws of their own, and that some films are banned in those countries. But why should China change our censorship laws just because people like you are upset with them, and complaining about what movies we watch, whether Japanese anime, HK movies, American action movies. etc? You are the one complaining here, not me.
Lastly, Liu Xiaobo 刘晓波 died in jail due to cancer so why are you claiming that the government killed him? Cancer is disease that can affect anyone in the world regardless of where they are, so why are you blaming the Chinese government as its cause?
I think you are the one refusing to apply your critical thinking skills here, and just being blaming everything on China that's all.
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Nabium How do you know that the whole of Norwegian people choose to censor porn? Majority wins, doesn't mean that the minority doesn't exist do they? The only way the whole of Norway chooses to censor something is when 100% of them agree to it. Where is your logic here?
You people always bring up "freedom of speech" but all it is important to is only to people who believe in it. Look at Chinese people. We have access to food, education, safety, housing, modern technology like smartphones, computers, and even the Internet. And we are doing just find without your definition of "freedom of speech" so why is it so important then? Chinese tourists and students come to your country, and they can talk about whatever they want can't they?
So why are you imposing your own personal standards of "freedom of speech" onto China?
My talk about Halloween, is because you said: " Transformers and the Walking Dead are not going to open anyone's eyes about other cultures. " and I clearly shown that Americans have these "Zombie Apocalypse" culture, so why is the Walking Dead not going to open Chinese people's eyes about American culture? Likewise, Transformers is based on Japanese "mecha" culture, so why is Transformers not opening Chinese eyes to Japanese cultures? Where is your logic here?
When did I defend murdering and imprisoning people just because they believe they can cure cancer? All I said was that they have the makings of a cult, and I have shown sources supporting my point. You claim that tens of thousand of people who have been killed, then where's your source for that?
The original topic of discussion is about China "opening up" our borders so why is immigration irrelevant in this discussion? On the other hand, what has censorship got to do with China opening up our borders at all? You are the one suddenly talking about censorship laws here, when it is about China opening up instead.
That means that there is incomplete information about USA, so why is it just accepted that USA is at rank 43? Why isn't there information of freedom of press for people of US overseas territories? These are the territories that are unable to participate in US presidential elections, such as Guam, so how can you know what the people of these territories feel?
You said "Your government is imprisoning and even killing people with differing opinions. 刘晓波 died in jail last year, having done no other crime than having an opinion." didn't you?
What makes you think Reporters without Borders is free from any governmental pressure? In 2007 John Rosenthal argued that RWB showed a bias in favor of European countries. In the 2009 article about RWB and Venezuela cited above, Salim Lamrani stated that "RSF is not an organization that defends freedom of the press, but is an obscure entity with a political agenda precisely commissioned to discredit through all possible means the progressive governments in the world that find themselves on the United States' blacklist."
The Observatoire de l'Action Humanitaire (Centre for Humanitarian Action) criticized RWB's lukewarm criticism of US forces for their shelling, in 2003, of Palestine Hotel, in Baghdad, Iraq, which killed two Reuters journalists.
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+Bruce Leroy That's the major problem of your US government system. You have multiple parties all opposing one another, and nobody wants to tackle the huge US problems, like healthcare, debt, gun violence and so on. In USA, the gun laws are so loose, that ordinary people can have access to firearms, and this makes it easier to commit crimes like robbery as well as those tragic school shootings by armed gunmen.
Sometimes, some trigger happy Caucasian cops just shoot the African American suspect first and then ask questions later (because of the possibility of the suspect being armed) But Americans themselves don't want to amend their gun laws, because they refuse to surrender their rights to bear firearms.
Whereas in China, we can just ban civilian use of firearms. We have a single-party government and that single-party is largely focused on making China a better place and promoting China's interest. But is US multi-party government even promoting US interests? Or their own interests?
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+Bruce Leroy You insult all those US political parties you mentioned, then what's the whole point of having multiple parties in US politics? Each party pulls USA in a separate direction and each party always blame one another for America's problems. I mean, look at the way you insult each party. If everyone blames everyone else, then who's going to take responsibility for America?
Whereas in China, there is only a single party, the CCP, so all the good things and all the bad things are all credited and blamed on CCP. The CCP have done both good and bad things since ruling China and because of that, they accept responsibility and make changes accordingly.
For example, China was failing under Mao's communist market system, so Deng Xiaoping opened China's markets in 1970s, and thus, China progressed rapidly. Another example is One-Child Policy, and now since China's birth rate is shrinking, the policy has been changed to Two-Child Policy. China has pollution problems, so the government is planning to ban coal powerplants (because they burn dirtily and pollute the air) and is planning to ban non-electric cars in China by 2040.In fact, China sold more electric vehicles in 2017 than USA and Europe, and China has the largest stock of electric buses in the world.
China is leading the world in Plug In Electric Vehicle (PEV) sales
Source: Electric car use by country wikipedia.org/wiki/Electric_car_use_by_country
The CCP is an efficient government that actually gets work done, instead of arguing among themselves in a multi-party system like the USA. Since China is successful, then why should China adopt multi-party system then?
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AgarTron So many questions you asked, I'll try to answer them
Companies and the private sector plan America's future, that's why USA goes to war with Middle East countries to control the oil and so the US defense industries can make profit from war. Americans often lament that the corporations control the government, not the other way round. Whereas in China, the corporations are mostly state-owned, so the government controls the corporations in China. Why do you entrust your countries future to a profit-driven corporations?
In the US multi-party system, the Republicans and the Democrats seem to spene more time and money fighting each other, and blaming each other for America's woes, instead of trying to solve America's problems, and their actions may end up wasting precious resources. For example, the Obama Administration came up with the draft for the Trans Pacific Partnership, but after Trump was elected president, he cancelled the TPP, simply because Trump don't like Obama (Obama had humiliated Trump with his birth cert). All that money put in the TPP is wasted and gone down the drain.
Whereas in China's One Party system, the communist party is responsible for all the good and bad things that happen to China. The CCP learns from past mistakes, and moves on, and tackles China's woes one by one, slowly and steadily. Already, the CCP has put forth many 5-year plans, 10-year plans, 15-year plans, 20-year plans, etc, to map out China's direction and our future in 2020, 2030, 2040, 2050, etc. By abolishing the presidential term limit, our leaders can remain in power to help see our long term plans bloom and come to fruition. But US presidents can only be in power for 4-8 years, so they make short term plans for USA, not spanning more than 10 years.
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+AgarTron But what happens when those companies start to control the government? Much of America's wealth is concentrated in only 1% of the population, and the remaining 99% of Americans always complain about it. If you let companies pursue profits, then that's exactly what they'll do. Prioritize profits over virtually everything else.
Look the USA has been involved in Gulf War, Iraq War, Afghan War, etc, because of the oil, and American troops are dying on foreign soil, instead of fighting to defend America at home. The American mainland is hardly in any danger, yet America is still being involved in wars, because the US defense companies profit during war.
About US private sectors, they have led to collapse of the US economy in the past, such as the Great Depression in 1930s as well as the more recent 2008 US financial crash. Its because you let your companies do whatever they want, and this is the result. China thus far, has not have a market crash of our own. Western economists have been predicting China's economic downfall since 1990s. Here is compiled list of what Western journalists have to say about China's economy
1990. The Economist: China's economy has come to a halt.
1996. The Economist: China's economy will face hard landing.
1998. The Economist: China's economy entering a dangerous period of sluggish growth.
1999. Bank of Canada: Likelihood of a hard landing for the Chinese economy.
2000. Chicago Tribune: China currency move nails hard landing risk coffin.
2001. Wilbanks, Smith & Thomas: A hard landing in China.
2002. Westchester University: China Anxiously Seeks A Soft Economic landing.
2003. KWR International: How to find a soft landing if China..
2004. The Economist: The great fall of China?
2005. Nouriel Roubini: The Risk of a Hard Landing in China.
2006. International Economy: Can China Achieve a Soft Landing?
2007. TIME: Is China's Economy Overheating? Can China avoid a hard landing?
2008. Forbes: Hard Landing in China?
2009. Fortune: China's hard landing. China must find a way to recover.
2010. Nouriel Roubini: Hard landing coming in China.
2011. Business Insider: A Chinese Hard Landing May Be Closer Than You Think.
2012. American Interest: Dismal Economic News from China: A Hard Landing.
2013. Zero Hedge: A Hard Landing in China.
2014. CNBC: A hard landing in China.
2015. Forbes: Congratulations, You got Yourself A Chinese Hard Landing....
2016. The Economist: Hard Landing looms for China.
But its already 2018 and China's economy is still going strong, and the West has been proven consecutively wrong in its predictions for nearly 30 years! So doesn't this demonstrate good planning on behalf of the Chinese government in handling economic issues within our country?
Agreed that USA have the power to make change, but change can be good change as well as bad change. For example, President Trump is now starting a trade war with China, but what happens if he gets voted off, or his term ends after 4-8 years? His trade war with China will most likely discontinue, and the next POTUS may start reversing Trump's policies (just like when Trump reversed Obama's policies) For example, Obamacare was not perfect, but if functioned well and was stable for 8 years. Yet Trump wanted to repeal Obamacare and start his new one from scratch? Because Trump don't like Obama?
With a multi-party system, parties can always blame each other for America woes. America's woes include rising debt, healthcare, gun control, and no US party wants to touch this bludgeoning problem. If you think this doesn't hinder USA, then these problems will only continue to grow and grow (because the parties don't want to solve it, and they expect the other party to solve it) Take gun control for example. In USA its much easier to obtain firearms to commit mass shootings in public schools or tourist attractions, by armed gunmen. A simple change to impose stricter laws on guns would probably solve/reduce the problem greatly, but Americans refuse to surrender their right to bear firearms.
List of school shootings in the United States
Source: wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_school_shootings_in_the_United_States
So many tragic shootings in US schools have occurred, because of poor gun control. Because nothing is being done about it, it can be predicted that more gun shootings will occur in the future, so why do you claim such a system isn't hindering USA? Because sooner or later USA will magically figure out a solution?
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+AgarTron Everyone has heard of Americans complaining how the US companies control the government, how the US banks control the government, and how the Jews/Zionist are taking over and controlling the government (sometimes the world). Just watch some videos or read comments about US economy, and you can encounter such people. For example, the then President Bush had invaded Iraq on suspicion of harboring WMDs, but no traces of WMDs were ever found. Its more likely USA invaded Iraq because of oil, and because of US oil companies.
And all those US wars in the Middle East (Gulf War, Iraq War, Afghan War, Libyan War, etc) they present new opportunities for US defense companies to showcase their wares and to justify the increase in US military spending. Most of the ordinary Americans don't want war, but then why USA still goes to war? US military spending is the world's highest, (more than the next 7-8 countries spending combined) and some of that money goes missing (probably into someone's pockets)
$6.5 trillion missing from US Defense Department
Source: wnd.com/2016/08/6-5-trillion-missing-from-defense-department/
China has corruption too yes, but at least under President Xi Jinping, there are ongoing anti-corruption crackdowns and many corrupt CCP officials have been taken down. But when's the last time USA had an anti-corruption crackdown of its own? In my personal opinion, Hiliary Clinton is corrupt, and Donald Trump promised to jail her during his presidential campaign. But after President Trump assumed office, no further action has been taken against Clinton.
How is US companies going to innovate if it has such strict Intellectual Property rights? In my opinion, IP rights hinder innovation, because they encourage innovative people to come with a single idea, and then file for IP protection, and then slowly collect money from IP rights, instead of innovating a new idea. On the other hand, other creative people are restricted by the number of available tools, applications, ideas, because they don't want to incur copyright infringement.
Thus, IP just encourage creative laziness, and otherwise innovative people only come up with a single good idea, and sit back and collect money from patents, and other struggling artists have to pay money to use such resources and are restricted from accessing the full spectrum of available tools.
When did I said the USA learns from its mistakes? Can you highlight my words claiming that USA learns from its mistakes?
If the USA truly learns from its mistakes, then why USA still get involve in more and more wars? Even economically, the Great Depression didn't teach US private companies anything, and that's why the 2008 Financial Crisis occurred again. I mean, you literally give power to the private corporations (who come and go) so what makes you think private corporations will learn from mistakes? They prioritize profits over anything else, and take risky moves without any promised support or fallback plan, and that's why Layman Brothers got bankrupted, and the 2008 Financial crisis occurred. If USA had learned from its mistakes then why did the financial crash happened again?
About India, India is world's largest democracy, whereas China is communist. Republic of India was founded in 1947, whereas People's Republic of China was founded in 1949 (2 years later). As the world's 2nd largest population, the workforce in India is probably the same as the workforce in China. Indians can speak English, whereas many Chinese still struggle with English today. India had a free market whereas China's market was communist until 1970s.
But despite India enjoying all these advantages, China has long overtaken India in various fields. China has the world's 2nd largest economy and our defense industry is stronger than India's. Poverty rates in China are much lower than in India. India's Global Hunger Index is 31.4(serious) compared to China's 7.5(low). China's literacy rate is 96.4% whereas India's literacy rate is 72.1%. Can you imagine that over 25% of Indian adults haven't been to school, yet they can vote for their government?
I have already shown what Westerners been saying about China's economy, yet you still think China's economy will fail? About Chinese banks, they are the world's largest and you really think China is doing the same as American banks where in 2008? Don't forget that these are state-owned banks so they are controlled by the government, and are restricted to giving loans freely like your American banks.
Wikipedia: List of largest banks
Source: wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_largest_banks
The problem is that all of America's woes (rising debt, gun control, military expenditure, etc) need more than 10 years to truly resolve, and no US president can hope to solve all of Americas problems, given his short presidential term of 4-8 years. USA appears to be suffering from what's called "political stagnation" where leaders are unable to solve problems, ineffective leadership and there is often scapegoating and victimization (such as blaming China for America's problems and portraying America as the victim) You just claim that "things will work out" but its clear that they aren't, and US problems are only going to pile up
Wikipedia: Political stagnation
Source: wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_stagnation.
Next US president could change Trump's policies (just like when Trump easily changed Obama's policies) so why do you claim that it isn't easy? The US trade war with China is unpopular with US farmers and other people so why do you claim it is unlikely to stop? It will probably be the 1st one to go, since like I said, US corporations are interested in making profit and a trade war will only lessen their profits. So why would US corporations support a trade war, when its not in the best interests of business?
I've notices that most of your points are just "yeah, things will get better, things will pull through, etc" and you don't really elaborate on your points well enough, or cite actual sources to support your points. If you just leave things to fate, then there's no guarantee that things will proceed as you say. But if you have a stable single-party government like China, then you can implement far-reaching long term policies and make long-term plans spanning far in to the future.
The CCP has put forth 5-year plans, 10-year plans, 20-year plans, etc. and that's why Chinese people can look forward to a bright future, whereas USA lacks long-term planning and instead, you entrust your plans to corporations? I mean, what happens if those US corporations close down suddenly? There goes your long term plan for US economy,
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+Stephen Arias "Most of the Chinese people I know that are from the Mainland can’t handle when others, even their own people criticize China."
I can also say that most Americans that I know can't handle when others, even other Americans criticize America. You said immigrants allow a society to become more open to innovate ideas to better their country. Then why are Americans complaining about the immigrants coming to America? Look at the Muslims coming to America, but refusing to adopt American culture, and they retain their own Muslim culture instead. By opening your doorways to everyone, then the foreign cultures will start to dilute the local American culture and America starts to undergo an identity crisis.
So why should China follow America and just let everyone in? China is not America and America is not China. The "American Dream" is that any poor immigrant to America can eventually strike it rich some day. But the "Chinese Dream" is the eventual rejuvenation of China. For that, we need immigrants who actually contribute to China, and that's why the government scrutinize every immigrant to China and only admit the best possible people in.
I mean, if you let everyone into your country, then both the good immigrants and bad immigrants will come. But if you're like China, and only admit the good people (doctors, lawyers, engineers, scientists, etc) and reject the undesirables (refugees, political dissidents, deadbeats, etc) then over a course of time, your country will start to improve.
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@Pepperstein Many Western men find Chinese women (and also other Asian women like Japanese and Koreans) attractive because they retain traditional notions of feminine beauty. They diet and exercise to keep their bodies slim and attractive, they take care of their skin, applying moisturisers and using umbrellas to shield from harmful UV rays. If you're lucky, you might even find Chinese girl who knows how to cook home-cooked meals.
Whereas feminist is taking over the West and encouraging Western women to dominate their men, to wear the pants in relationships and sometimes even act downright hostile to men. Young, slim, beautiful Western girls are being encouraged to eat whatever they want, act as unfeminine as possible, to get tattoos and piercings all over their bodies, to grow fat and unattractive, and yet, feminists will tell these women that men will find them attractive. Some men do but not all.
No wonder why some men are simply fed up with the state of feminism in the West, and some started seeking out partners from Asian countries. Because feminism is destroying what it means to be female in the West.
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+Arlen Tsao You keep on saying PRC people are rude, then look at your own words addressed to me. I don't resort to hurling personal insults against you, just because your views differ from mine, but you take every opportunity to insult me and degrade me in this thread here. So who is the rude one here?
Taiwan's economic growth was highest under KMT authoritarian rule. In the 1960s, the agrarian economy was replaced with light industry as small and medium enterprises started to form. From 1966 to 1980, Taiwan's economy was gradually stabilized after Chiang Ching-kuo's Ten Major Construction Projects laid the foundation in further economic developments. But then after the KMT introduced democracy and free elections, Taiwan's economy began to slowdown and Taiwan companies began losing its competitiveness. Made in Taiwan products were once well-known, but have since been replaced by Made in China products.
The economy of Taiwan is "at a crossroads" and facing economic marginalization in the world economy, in addition to de-internationalization, low-paid salary to employees and uncertain outlook for personal promotion of staff, which results in human resource talents seeking career opportunities elsewhere in the Asia-Pacific region, and businesses in Taiwan suffer most from being the size of small and medium enterprises only with weaker-than-expected revenue of its hectic business operation for any consideration of further expansion, and overall impedes any attempts at economic transformation of Taiwan from the Taiwanese government.
So can't you see that without your government's help, (in fact, without KMT's leadership) Taiwan's economy is suffering today? Why change from a successful system in the 1960s, to a less efficient "democratic" system today? What has "democracy" ever done for Taiwan?
Since you think Taiwan is so "high tech", then why don't you name some famous Taiwan companies? China has many high tech companies like Huawei, Lenovo, Alibaba, Tencent, Baidu, etc. Here is a list of the largest Internet companies in the world, and China is rapidly catching up to the USA.
Source: List of largest Internet companies wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_largest_Internet_companies
Smartphone use in China is much more widespread and advanced as compared to many other countries. In China, you can go shop online, make purchases, make payments, have them delivered to your doorstep, transfer funds, get your laundry done, book dental appointments, book doctor appointments, book a cab, pay the fare, book karaoke sessions, pay the bills, make a donation, all on your mobile phone.
Source: _20 Amazing things that Chinese people do in WeChat techinasia.com/how-wechat-is-really-used-in-china
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+Arlen Tsao "Rude is not about words online" So you mean hurling verbal insults online is not considered rude? What sort of biased logic is this? You think that excuses yourself from being consider rude, because you are online?
You keep on claiming Chinese in the mainland are rude and that in Taiwan, people are far more helpful towards the general public, then can you show proof? Here's a video about Chinese people helping Americans when they ask for directions in China.
Video: How American and Chinese Treat Foreigners Differently youtube.com/watch?v=04sTkhTRmWE
I mean, its clear that you biasely just hate mainland Chinese that's all, and refuse to discuss Taiwan and China's situations. You keep on saying Taiwan is high tech then why don't you name some famous companies from Taiwan that's all.
China has landed our own lunar spacecraft and rover on the Moon in 2013. China is the 3rd country to send people into space, besides USA and USSR, and we are the only Asian country to have done so (surpassing Japan, Korea and Indian space agencies) In 2008, China conducted our first "spacewalk" where a Chinese astronaut (Taikonaut) exited the spacecraft Shenzhou-7 and ventured into the microgravity of space.
Video: China Shenzhou 7 Space Walk Live youtube.com/watch?v=gMxQEHfU6hM
In contrast, what has Taiwan achieved that makes you think "Taiwan has achieved far more than your rotten Mainland."
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+Arlen Tsao What about you constantly taking every opportunity to insult me and repeating your same points claiming that mainland Chinese people are rude? I don't insult you because your viewpoint is different, all I ask is for you to show some proof of Taiwan's high tech companies that's all, since you seem to think "Taiwan has achieved far more than your rotten Mainland." after all.
About poverty in China, according to World Bank, China’s poverty rate fell from 88% in 1981 to mere 6.5% in 2012. According to UNESCO, adult literacy rate of China increased from 65.5% in 1982 to a whopping 96.4% in 2015 growing at an average annual rate of 10.39%. This is an impressive feat, considering that China is the world's most populous country, yet achieving 6.5% poverty and 96.4% literacy.
Source: Wikipedia: Poverty in China
Of course, every country still have its own problems, China included, Taiwan included, but at least China has greatly raised the living standards of millions of people and today, China is a major driving force of the world economy and an active player of global politics. Here is a short simple 2 minute clip about the nightview of 11 Chinese cities.
Video: Beautiful Night View of China 2016 youtube.com/watch?v=G7ZRa-w9xyA
If you want to call this propaganda, then many mainland Chinese people are happy that our lives are much better today that it was before.
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+Arlen Tsao In the aviation industry, China is building our own homegrown jumbo jetliner to challenge the monopoly (or duopoly) currently held by Boeing (USA) and Airbus (EU). The Comac C919 is China's answer to the Boeing 737 MAX and Airbus A320neo, and several orders have already been made to purchase this medium sized passenger jetliner and is considerably cheaper than our Western competition
Video: COMAC C919 - Chinese narrow-body twinjet airliner. History and future of the aircraft youtube.com/watch?v=axZ7YTZgcHg
You can just choose to label everything I say as "Chinese propaganda" But that does not stop mainland Chinese from trying to better ourselves. I mean, if China sit back complacently and do nothing, then nothing is going to change, and the Westerners will continue to step all over Asians (like China, Japan, Korea, India, etc) Why should Asians consider ourselves inferior to Westerners? Asians are just as hardworking and intelligent as Westerners, so we should be striving to do our best and achieve similar feats as the Westerners.
For example, the Jumbo Jetliner industry is currently dominated by Boeing and Airbus from America and Europe, but that does not mean Asians can't produce our own jumbo jetliner to compete with them in this industry. But if you don't try, then you'll never know what your country is capable of achieving.
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+Arlen Tsao If China wants to better ourselves, then we physically act and do research, built and compete to become better, and that includes in the propaganda department as well. Let's face it, Anti-China propaganda is extremely widespread in the West and they continue to demonize China as some pollution filled country with rude people and so on. Its because China is industrializing and that inevitably creates pollution. If China doesn't produce propaganda of our own, then we will surely be overrun by Western Anti-China propaganda. So why can't we fight back with propaganda of our own?
I mean, the West have been polluting the Earth since 200-300 years ago (since the Industrial Revolution in 17th century) and China only recently industrialized about 30-40 years ago. So why blame China for our pollution when Westerners have done the same thing hundreds of years ago. Western countries are so powerful today, because they industrialized much earlier than other countries, and therefore have an advantage over Middle Eastern, African and Asian countries. So why can't China do the same to improve ourselves? We don't want to be left behind in technological developments.
To combat pollution, China is switching to renewable energy. China built the world's largest hydroelectric powerstation, the Three Gorges Dam, in order to supply China with clean renewable energy to fuel our growth. Because of this, China is the world leader in renewable energy production, surpassing even USA and Europe
List of countries by electricity production from renewable sources wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_electricity_production_from_renewable_sources
In Solar Power, the current largest photovoltaic power station in the world is the 850 MW Longyangxia Dam Solar Park, in Qinghai, China.
Wikipedia: Solar power wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_power
In Wind Power, China has the largest onshore wind farm, the Gansu Wind Farm.
Wikipedia: Wind power wikipedia.org/wiki/Wind_power
But of course, the giant switch from fossil fuels to renewable energy will take time, and China has only just industrialized not so long ago in 1970s. Yet China is already producing more hydroelectric power, solar power and wind power than even the long industrialized Western countries. So what does that tell you about China's determination to succeed?
About Chinese music and other media, China is fast becoming a major movie market, and Hollywood movie producers are eager to tap into China's moving going audiences for profits. Because of that, Hollywood is now eager to work with Chinese film producers (like Zhang Yimou) and hire Chinese actors and actresses to star in their films (like Jing Tian, Fan BingBing, etc).
Thanks to China's movie market, Hollywood is slowing introducing more Asian actors and actresses to the big screen, and helping boost their careers.
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+Arlen Tsao When did I ignore all the negative aspects of Mainland China? I clearly mentioned the problem of Pollution for example, and talked about why China is polluted and how the government is now switching to green energy, making China the largest producer of solar power, wind power and hydroelectricity. So why are you accuse me of such?
What about Taiwan's negative aspects? I shown you a video about violent fight in Taiwan Parliament, but you just ignored it. I shown that Taiwan was ruled by authoritarian single-party KMT for nearly its entire life, but you just ignored it. You said Chinese people are rude, and I showed you a video of Westerners asking for directions in China, but you just ignored it.
You keep saying Taiwan is high tech and "Taiwan is one of the strongest countries on Earth." then why don't you show proof instead of just making such sweeping claims? Where's your high tech for example?
China built the world's largest radio telescope, the Five-hundred-meter Aperture Spherical Telescope (FAST) also know as Tianyan 天眼 (Eye of the Heavens) that will help scientists learn more about the universe's early days, detect low-frequency gravitational waves and hunt for signals that may have been produced by distant alien civilizations.
Source: China Finishes Building World's Largest Radio Telescope space.com/33357-china-largest-radio-telescope-alien-life.html
The larger the radio dish, the more sensitive it is to picking up cosmic radiation and its potential to discover an alien civilization will be 5 to 10 times that of current equipment, as it can see farther and darker planets. 2 years after its trial operation began in 2016, China's radio telescope has already identified 44 new pulsars from outer space.
Source: In just two years, FAST, the world's largest single-dish radio telescope, has discovered 44 pulsars youtube.com/watch?v=176kwcS5iWk
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+What are you looking at? I think you aren't real Chinese at all when you even got my name wrong.
+Captain Midnight China is against North Korean nuclearization as well and Chinese government clearly stated that they oppose North Korean missile testing. So why is it China's fault? Japan was the one who invaded North Korea during WW2, and now you are shielding Japan from North Korea if they choose to retaliate? You are clearly biased against Japanese warcrimes that's all.
What does your own personal opinion about Japanese go to do with what they think? If Japanese truly oppose war, then why did they even invade China in the first place and start Sino-Japanese war? You keep bringing up your own personal experience, and completely ignore whole history of China-Japan war and leave it out of your discussion. Japanese war is real history that really happened, despite what Japanese people think, so again how can you even use your own personal opinion as a point here? Japan already have "criminal" record here isn't it?
Now you are in Philippines and claim that Philippines do not care? You think you can represent people solely based on which country you visited?
You can't answer a question about Asian culture, so you resort to claiming Chinese censorship? Even Koreans are protesting Japanese denial of "comfort" women and that is still happening regardless of Chinese censorship, so what do you even understand about the relations of East Asians towards each other?
This is non-Chinese and non-censored source about Koreans protesting against Japanese bbc.com/news/magazine-22680705 so why blame Chinese censorship here? You claim people don't care about Japanese warcrimes then what about these elderly women who personally experienced such suffering at hands of the Japanese?
Here is video about Philippines protesting outside Japanese embassy youtube.com/watch?v=mEMX2Qwctq8 It is completely unrelated to Chinese censorship.
You have demonstrated that you clearly know nothing about the relations between China, Korea, Japan, Philippines, etc, and so on. You claim to have visited or lived in those countries but you don't even have any evidence to show what the locals think of Japanese wartime atrocities.
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+Rhyan Jill Baytos Philippines only fought Japan for 3 years, from 1942-1945, whereas China fought Japan for 13 years from 1931-1945 (Sino-Japanese War) and worst is Korea, who was under Japanese occupation for 35 years from 1910-1945. Even Europeans fought Nazis for only 6 years from 1939-1945. So even if you or your grandfather don't resent the Japanese, what about Koreans and Chinese who suffered under Japanese hands for more than 10 years?
+Captain Midnight You clearly shown that you are not Japanese, neither are you Korean, Filipino, etc. so what justification do you even have to speak for Japanese people not want war or for Filipinos? You claim I am Chinese apologist, then aren't you being Japanese war apologist? Everything I said about Japanese war atrocities is completely dismissed by you, so what even makes you qualified to speak for Asians at all? Why are you even interfering in Asian issue in the first place, if you weren't not affected by Japanese war?
Like I said, just because you talk to some Japanese people, means you are somehow qualified to represent all Japanese people? Have you actually asked Japanese people what they felt about Japan during WW2? There are Japanese people today continuing to believe that they were the victims of WW2, because of American bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki, so again, why are you being apologists for Japanese war crimes? You keep on saying Japanese of the past aren't the Japanese today, is somehow going to placate the victims of Japanese aggression? Why don't you tell that directly to the elderly S. Korean comfort women today?
If North Korea is targeting US bases in Japan, then why does Japan continue to let US military bases occupy its lands in Okinawa? There are even cases of US troops stationed in Okinawa raping the locals, and the Japanese government can't do anything about it. According to the following source, Okinawa’s anti-base governor, Takeshi Onaga, told the crowd he regretted being powerless to prevent crimes by US military personnel, two decades after the abduction and rape of a 12-year-old girl by three US servicemen.
Thousands in Okinawa protest alleged rape by U.S. sailor japantimes.co.jp/news/2016/03/22/national/thousands-protest-in-okinawa-over-alleged-rape-of-japanese-tourist-by-u-s-serviceman/
I take my sources outside of Chinese censorship, so again, why are you constantly bringing up Chinese censorship in the first place?
You have finally revealed that you are American, so again, why do you care about Asian issues between Japan, Korea, Philippines, etc? You aren't Asian, so what do you know of Asian issues? After Japanese surrender, American shielded Japan from any further retaliation by China, Korea and other Japanese victims, so why did USA choose to protect the aggressor country of WW2? You are clearly being Japanese war apologist, so what right do you have to speak for Asians? Even today, Japan is being target of North Korean Nuclear missiles because of America, like you said isn't it?
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I don't know why you people keep claiming everything I said is Chinese propaganda, propaganda, propaganda. when Western sources have also demonstrated the level of atrocity Japanese soldiers stooped to. During Unit 731, Japanese soldiers conducted ghastly inhumane experiments on Chinese prisoners, including men, women and even children, such as live vivisection without anesthesia, removing organs to study the effect of diseases. The person was kept alive and conscious during the experiment, because the Japanese thought that death of the subject would affect the results. People had their limbs frozen and amputated to study blood loss, sometimes removed and attached to opposite sides of their bodies. There were even unlucky prisoners who had their stomachs removed and oesophagus reattached to the intestines, just to see how long humans can survive without the stomachs.
Chinese women had it the worst in Unit 731. Japanese scientists injected prisoners with Sexually Transmitted Diseases and forced them to spread the STD to other prisoners at gunpoint and impregnate female prisoners. They then cut open the wombs of the mothers to study the effect of STD on fetuses, often resulting in death of mother and child. Some Japanese even conducted experiments on children they fathered with female prisoners. Imagine if you were prisoner in Unit 731, injected with STD and forced to have sex with prisoners at gunpoint. Imagine if you are woman, being raped and impregnated and being vivisected to have experiments conducted on your baby. If Japanese wanted to study STD, why not inject everyone with STD, instead of injecting one persons and forcing them to spread it to other prisoners?
After Japanese surrender, the Japanese destroyed most of the evidence (so there could be even more chilling stories left untold) and America granted the Japanese responsible for Unit 731 immunity, in exchange for acquiring the data Japanese scientists gleamed from Unit 731. So why are people like Captain Midnight being apologists for Japanese war crimes? Because he/she is American? Why everything I said is considered propaganda and dismissed immediately, simply because I am Chinese? You mean just because Japan surrendered after WW2, suddenly means all is forgiven?
Source Wikipedia: Unit 731 en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unit_731
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+Robert Kyle I don't understand, what has "Is Italty BETTER than England" even got to do with this topic? This topic is about Japan and China, not Italy and England, so what is wrong with bringing up historical issues between Japan and China? Those historical issues have largely influenced the modern Japan and China's relationship. So far, majority of my topics is about Japan and China, so am I actually straying off topic at all? What about you suddenly trying to digress by introducing Italy and England into this discussion about Japan and China?
Just glance through this thread and you can see many cases of people expressing derision for China, so why do you claim I am selectively ignoring stuff? Are you also selectively ignoring what others have said about China too? People have said "China is sh!t country" and expressing various human rights violations in China and about noisy, loud and rude Chinese tourists, but you act blind towards those comments? Who are you to claim I am selectively ignoring stuff, when apparently you do it as well?
You are correct in that 100 years has not been rosy for China. During the 19th century, the British wanted to continue drinking our tea, but Chinese people didn't want to sell it, so they waged two wars with China which we lost and were forced to buy opium from them at gunpoint, which we didn't want, because it made us sick and was poisoning our people. The British forced open Chinese port cities, like Shanghai, to act as drug distribution hubs to spread the addiction throughout rest of China. The port city of Hong Kong was even taken from China, and when British renounced their colonial rule, Hong Kong should have been fully returned to China, instead of being "half-returned" with its own existing government.
Exactly what did China ever did to countries like Britain and Japan to deserve this? China gifted your countries with inventions like paper, printing, compass and gunpowder, but you have used guns to wage war on China and steal our lands and territories and forced drugs onto Chinese people to weaken our country. China did not invade your countries to visit such atrocities upon your people. All we want is to be left alone and to defend our homes and protect our loved ones. You claim this is being "victim" complex, when your countries soldiers are the ones on Chinese territories? Which country in the world does not protest the presence of unwanted foreign troops on our territory? You think this "victim" mentality does not have any basis behind its creation?
Once again, who are you to force Chinese people to forgive what Japan did to China back during WW2? Even today, there are Jews who can't forgive Germany for what they did to their people, so who are you to tell Chinese people to forgive their scars? You are not the real victims here, so how do you know their pain, and to tell them to forgive just like that? Can't you even see that you are being Japanese war apologist here? Everything I said about Japanese war crime is instantly dismissed by you, so why do you choose to do that with Japan?
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+Owen Ooi It is your own personal opinion about what you feel about China and Japan.
I don't understand why I can't "rant" about Japan's past, but you can rant about China's past? The Great Chinese Famine of 1950s was also partially due to natural causes, so why are you blaming it entirely on Mao Zedong's failure? He can't control the weather to prevent famine, and according to reports submitted from the farming collectives, everything was proceeding smoothly and there was enough food, so of course, Mao would suspect nothing is amiss.
The Great Leap Forward was expected to last 5 years, but after it was discovered it wasn't working, it was shut down after 3 years and investigated by the communist party. Mao Zedong later made a self-criticism and stepped down from being state chairman, and the communist party has long since, admitted the failures of Mao's Great Leap Forward. I also don't understand why you equate Chinese people being unintentionally starved as being on the same level as Japanese invading China to commit atrocities.
The majority of war crimes during Malayan Emergency were actually committed by the British. According to en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_war_crimes#1948.E2.80.931960:_Malayan_Emergency
-War crimes: In the Batang Kali massacre, about 24 unarmed villagers were killed by British troops. The British government claimed that these villagers were insurgents attempting to escape but this was later known to be entirely false as they were unarmed, nor actually supporting the insurgents nor attempting to escape after being detained by British troops. No British soldier was prosecuted for the murder at Batang Kali.
-War crimes: includes beating, torturing, and killing by British troops and communist insurgents of non-combatants.
-War crimes: As part of the Briggs' Plan devised by British General Sir Harold Briggs, 500,000 people (roughly ten percent of Malaya's population) were eventually removed from the land, had tens of thousands of their homes destroyed.
Note: Communists insurgents did commit war crimes but they weren't at the same level as the British according to the above source.
North Korea was China's ally back then, and had aided Chinese communist party in fighting the KMT and eventually founding People's Republic of China. China only joined the Korean war, because USA had joined in supporting South Korea against North Korea and to repay North Korean help during Chinese Civil War.
Japan was occupied by American forces after WW2 surrender, which disarmed it, so how could it have possibly committed any more war crime under US occupation? Aren't you being biased here as well? Even today, Japan is bound by 1945 WW2 treaty (Article 9 of Japanese Constitution) forbidding it from going to war, so of course they can't declare war on other countries so easily now.
I don't understand why you people are being Japanese war crime apologists, constantly dismissing Japanese war crimes" and saying "Forgive them" or "Don't blame the current generation" and then you contradict yourselves when you don't forgive Chinese crimes against our own people and blame current generation of Chinese being rude and noisy. Do you people actually notice the irony in your own comment, before excusing the war crimes of Japanese, and proceeding to blame Chinese people for crimes against our own people? You can forgive Japanese crimes against Chinese, but not Chinese crimes against Chinese?
I mean, are you people really blind and fail to see the hypocrisy within your own remark? You can forgive Japanese war crimes, and then next moment blame Chinese people for crimes not committed against your countries? What act did China do that rivals the war crimes Japanese soldiers committed on Asia?
Even if France, Germany, UK, Japan recovered post-war, they did not succeed to become world's 2nd largest economy, or to have strongest military to be potential rival to USA. You are Chinese Malaysian, so you grew up outside of China, and weren't subject to China's turbulent periods during 1940-1970s. So what do you know of China's struggles during that period? Modern China was built by Chinese living in China during those chaotic periods, not by Malaysian Chinese, so what does China care about Malaysian Chinese like you? You left our homeland to seek better life in Malaysia, while the rest of China stayed and brought China up from poor, starving country into economic juggernaut with strong army capable defending China from further invasion.
Nobody cares about China, except Chinese people. Nobody can defend China except Chinese people. Nobody wants to see China succeed as a nation, except Chinese people. Even Chinese people like you who left China, and continue to detest their homeland after leaving. Aren't you almost the same as foreigner mindset now? You have adopted Westerner views and now despise your homeland, despite its struggles and successes, and forgiven Japan for its crimes.
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+徐东东 我同意。The Foxconn suicides was only an isolated case and does not reflect whole China's suicide rate. According to World Health Organization en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_suicide_rate Out of every 100,000 people, Japan has 15.4 cases of suicide as compared to China's 8.5 cases. Not related, but South Korea has even worst rate of 24.1.
It goes to show that these countries are under a lot of stress and pressure mentally. Japanese people may be unfailingly polite and courteous, almost to a fault, but while this reflects well on their national image to foreigners, it is probably bad on their mental health internally if they do not find away to relieve this accumulated stress, which could account for the high suicide rate.
The people in China are loud, rude and noisy by comparison, but it helps relieve the mental stress of Chinese people after hard day's work. We are humans after all, not robots, and we can't be expected to be unfailingly polite and quiet at all times, like the Japanese are, especially given that China is much more populous country. Who would expect world's most populous country to be quiet and not rowdy?
But there will be people are probably going label me biased anti-Japanese propagandist anyway, even when my statistics are taken from WHO, and that my opinion is my own.
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+Captain Midnight "Philippines only fought Japan for 3 years."
What is wrong about the above statement? Did I talk about Philippines war with Spain or United States? Why are you bringing those issues into this discussion about Japan and China? Whether I answered his questions or not, is between me and him, not you, so what are you butting in?
You gave no indication of your ancestry, only that you refer to yourself as American, so how do you expect me to know your exact ancestry?
So you mean just because its a new generation of Japanese, means the slate is somehow wiped clean? And the new slate only records "modern" Chinese atrocities? What sort of biased thinking is this here? You constantly label me a bigot, but then, there are other people that haven't forgiven Japanese war crimes. Look at South Korean "comfort" women who are now in their senior age. They clearly protest against Japanese mislabeling of comfort women, so are you man enough to call these grandmothers "bigots" like what you are doing to me? I don't insult you or call you names for your views, so why are you resorting to insulting me now? I am not alone in protesting Japanese war crimes and I have shown videos of Koreans and Filipinos protesting, so why you label me a bigot?
Footage of Korean women sexually enslaved by Japanese soldiers in WWII revealed for the first time youtube.com/watch?v=GIC481VxVlE
You never did answer my questions about what Japanese people felt about Japan during WW2?. You just claimed to have talked to Japanese academia that's all. But Japanese academia do not necessary represent the views of all Japanese.
Whenever did I defend the atrocities committed by Chinese government? I admitted to Mao's disastrous policies many times in my posts, so who are you to constantly label me an apologist? On the other hand, you are clearly dismissing Japanese war crimes many times (and even claiming not to dismiss it) so again, how are you not being Japanese war crime apologist here? You label me illiterate when you don't even read carefully what I said?
Most of your comments is just you hurling insults at me. Do I ever call you bigot or use vulgar language against you, simply for expressing your views? Why resort to low brow insults against me, when you have no content to show for your claims?
Americans are using Japan as forward base, and because of that, North Korea is targeting Japan, so isn't the current crisis in East Asia the fault of Americans? Who is the country sending warships and aircraft carrier strike groups halfway across the globe to Asia here? You claim to be doing "something" political about your government, but what exactly have you done, when Americans voted for Trump?
I use non-Chinese websites for my information, so again, what has Chinese censorship got to do with this issue at all? What about South Koreans protesting Japanese ignoring "comfort" women? You see, you claim to represent Japan or Philippines or Americans, but you fail to provide any proof. I have shown examples of protestors in South Korea and Philippines, so what has Chinese censorship got to do with my sources?
What do you know about protests in China? Everyday, many Chinese people are protesting against issues like corruption in Chinese government, or forced relocation, or poor working conditions and low wages, etc. In 2006, the Chinese Academy of Social Sciences estimated the number of annual mass incidents to exceed 90,000, and Chinese sociology professor Sun Liping estimated 180,000 incidents in 2010. so roughly there are around 490 protests going on in China every day on average.
Protest and dissent in China en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protest_and_dissent_in_China
You know nothing about China, so why do you presume that Chinese people do not protest against the government?
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Robert Kyle You claimed that I am the one who strayed off topic? Who is the one bringing in Italy and England here in a discussion about China and Japan?
Actually the video is about superficial differences between China and Japan, while this thread (started by cho Tech guy) is about Japanese as evil nation and about working life in China and Japan, so how can you even claim that I am going off topic here? You are the one being dense here not me, and are attempting to hijack this thread to talk about Italy and England.
British only fought Japan for 3 years from 1942-1945 whereas China fought Japan for 13 years from 1931-1945. Britain was invaded by Nazis while China invaded by Japanese, so our countries respective hatreds are towards our respective enemies. In the same way, Chinese soldiers don't harbour much resentment towards Nazis like British troops, so what is your point here?
You are the one first mentioned that "these 100 years have not been rosy for China" so what is wrong with my elaboration on the 100 years of humiliation? It has profound effect on China even till today, and it occurred in 19th century, whereas between France and British was in 1700s. So obviously 19th century is closer than 1700s so why are you labelling my claims ridiculous? France and Britain had 200-300 years to mend their ties, whereas China and Japan had only 100 years.
Again when did I ever claim Chinese government did no wrong? You people are obviously putting words that I did not say into my mouth. I have mentioned many times that Chinese government made mistakes, but your selective vision conveniently ignores my statements every time.
You must be replying on the wrong thread, if you claim that "we all want to see China succeed". It clearly does not apply to everyone in this thread. Can you actually name any positive encouragement expressed by the foreignersin this thread towards China, our people and government? Otherwise, how can you claim that you all want to see China succeed? I am not blind to the numerous hostile comments directed against my country, but apparently you appear to be.
China's government is not perfect and there were many mistakes made under the communist party but nobody's government starts off knowing how to government a country, especially one as big as China. 30 years ago, nobody ever thought Chinese communist party would ever succeed economically or to ever play a major part in the world. When Soviet Union dissolved, many people expected communist China to follow suit, but decades gone by and the government didn't collapse and instead, China is world's 2nd largest economy and a major player in global politics, building a strong army PLA to protect our country and also building roads and infrastructure in other countries. Why are you people picking at our government's flaws instead of celebrating China's success? China's success was founded by our government and people, so who are you people to mock our government system when it has brought such success? It's not easy governing a country as big as China, and surely our government deserves a chance to pursue success with our current system.
You claim I am being racist, then exactly what racist remarks did I even said at all? Is pointing out Japanese war atrocities somehow racist? Why is that so? Those ghastly events truly happened, so why is pulling it out of history to support my point considered racist? I feel bad for Chinese women who were raped and impregnated by Japanese. I also feel bad for prisoners injected with STD and forced to have sex at gunpoint to transmit the disease (when simple injection will do) I feel sad for poor South Korean grannies who were accused of being prostitutes and will probably die without being recognised for their suffering in history. How is all of these feelings racist at all?
In conclusion, you are partially right in claiming that nationalistic feelings define the relations between China, Japan and also Korea. But my question is, who first caused the relationship to deteriorate to such a state in the first place?
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Captain Midnight Why don't you tell me when I even quoted Philippines and Yasukuni shrine at all? You people are really putting words in my mouth and claiming that I said such things.
Again you people result to foul language and insulting me, when you can't come up with a plausible explanation.
So when exactly is the slate wiped clean and when are new atrocities inscribed on it? Chinese government has long acknowledged failure of Mao's policies and moved on, so why isn't the slate cleaned for China then? Mao's Cultural Revolution wrecked havoc in Tibet and many Tibetan temples were destroyed (as I acknowledged previously) so why is China's government blamed for rebuilding destroyed temples? Tibetans today have free education up to university and the Chinese government has built roads and railway in Tibet as well as streetlights, electricity, water and gas in Tibetan houses. So why do you still claim the atrocities are still happening in China? Where's your real proof? Tibetan population today
On the other hand, what is Japanese government doing to pay back the victims? You people keep on jumping to defend Japan but what exactly has Japan done to make up for its crimes? Why does Japan PM visit Yasukuni? What about those poor South Korean grannies trying to get recognition for their suffering? If you support their cause, then why you label me bigot and not them, when they are true victims of Japanese imperialism?
The rest of your statements are just more insults being hurled at me. When did I ever use such foul language or insults against you? Just because your beliefs differ from mine? Who is being immature by resorting to vulgarities instead of actually addressing my points? And you still call me a kid when you cuss and swear at me?
I don't protest against Chinese government because I believe it's on the right track. Our government made mistakes in the past, but today it's on the path to a better future. Older communist members with hardline communist views are slowly retiring and dying off, while younger Western educated Chinese are taking up the mantle of leadership in the communist party. Our political change is slow and controlled, not immediate and rapid like President Trump replacing Obama. Why can China be allowed to pursue our own form of governance differ from that of the West? Nobody said ever country has to follow Western democracy in order to be successful, and China is living proof of that.
You people have made it very clear that you wish ill upon China, our people and government with your malicious remarks and obscenity. There is no entertaining the remote possibility of you people actually caring about China's success at all.
But my three points still stand unanswered.
-Why am I getting flak for pointing out Japanese atrocities? Is it wrong to do so?
-Why is everyone so quick to jump to Japan's defence? It's unnatural and you people aren't even Japanese for cry out loud, so why claim to speak for Japanese people defense?
-I never said China's government is perfect (unlike what you people keep claiming) and Chinese government has committed atrocities on Chinese people. But that is for us Chinese people to rectify ourselves, so why you people claim to speak for Chinese people defense?
I can't stop you people resorting to mocking me with vulgarities if you want to. But don't expect me to even take you seriously at a when you argue by cussing.
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You people are simply too much...
I started flinging sh!t at Japanese? Look at all the sh!t you people fling against Chinese people! Why is it you people can get away calling Chinese people loud and noisy, but I can't even criticism Japanese people? Do you people put Japanese people on pedestal and worship them, until they are beyond criticism?
The Yasukuni Shrine incident is not only felt by me, but by Chinese people as well as South Koreans. Wouldn't you people fee outraged, if Germans enshrined Hitler and worshiped him? Why are you people constantly dismissing my claims as trivial, when other Chinese people and even South Koreans have expressed regret over Japanese politicians visit to Yasukuni? I am not alone in my feelings towards Yasukuni, and others have joined as shown in following source.
Korean gov't expresses regret over Japanese politicians' visit to Yasukuni Shrine youtube.com/watch?v=kkH90oEKSBs
So, why can't I blame the younger generation of Japanese when they are the ones honoring Class-A Japanese war criminals? You people just cover up for Japanese's atrocities, both the younger generation and old, when you people aren't even the real victims here?
Even today, Japanese textbook controversy results in Japanese publishers omitting details of Japanese atrocities out of some of their historical textbooks. In Germany, it is illegal NOT to mention Hitler and the Nazi atrocities in their textbooks, but apparently this does not apply to Japanese textbooks and they have doctored textbooks to downplay Japan's event in WW2. Why is this acceptable for you people? You blame me for blaming the younger generation of Japanese, when they are the ones refusing to acknowledge Japanese atrocities? I have already shown many cases of young Japanese refusal to accept historical details of Japan during WW2, so why are you blaming me constantly and labeling me a bigot?
Searching for the Truth: Japan’s Textbook Denial youtube.com/watch?v=VtQcA2XcTAs
Once again I have never denied Chinese government atrocities. In Tibet, only Tibetan monks who separatists are targeted and I already shown that these disputes are political and nature and often overplayed to act as propaganda against Chinese government. For example, Labrang Jigme claims to have been beaten for 2 days. But there are no visible wounds on his body, and neither are there pictures of his wounds. If you were really beaten, won't you take pictures of your wounds to act as solid evidence, instead of simply claiming to be beaten?
Where is your real evidence of atrocities against Tibetans? Tibet population have been steadily increasing for the past few decades. According to the following source, Tibet's population was 1.14 million in 1951, when China first took over, but today, Tibet's population has tripled to become 3 million today. So where are your so-called atrocities being committed against Tibetans?
Facts & Figures: Tibet's population is.china-embassy.org/eng/zt/ChinasTibet/t427565.htm
Falun Gong are notorious for using false allegations in order to propagate their view and gain sympathy for their cause. If you clearly claim to have evidence of Falun Gong organ harvesting, then why not approach Chinese government with the proof and confront them directly by taking them to court over this issue altogether? If there's evidence for such inhuman treatment, then why not expose this evidence to public?
Once again, I have never denied that Chinese government did atrocities against Chinese people and you people are putting words in my mouth.
If Filipinos (or their grandfathers and grandmothers) don't care about Yasukuni, then I don't pursue this issue. Once again, I never said that Filipinos have to care, but does that give you the right to deny Chinese and Koreans from protesting about Yasukuni? Once again, I shown that China and Korea suffered for longer period (13 and 35 years respectively) under Japanese occupation, than did Philippines (3 years). If you claim I am downplaying Philippines victimhood, then the numbers do not lie,
Am I really the bigot here? Who is the one resorting to vulgar language, just because my views differ from yours? Who are the ones insulting me with derogatory terms and calling me bigot? I don't insult you people with words, simply because your views differ from mine, so who here is the real bigot? Who started calling others bigot in the first place?
This video has ZERO political angle, that I agree. But this thread, started by choo Tech guy is clear in its intentions, so who are you people to tell me that I am going off track and hijacking this thread? Why is my topic off topic?
19th century IS closer than 1700s, and this is fact. Who is the one first brought up that the last 100 years have not been rosy for China? Why you bring up this issue, then suddenly claim that I am splitting hairs over bad things countries did hundreds of years ago? During the Boxing Rebellion in 19th century, Chinese people wanted foreigners to stop selling opium to us and to leave Chinese lands. But eight nations (USA, UK, Italy, Russia, France... ... even Japan) banded together and form alliance to invade China to kill Chinese on our own turf. There was even cases of mass looting and even rape of Chinese women by the Allies. After the rebellion, China's territories was carved up like a pie and given to the victorious allies, even when they are the ones invading Chinese soil. Chinese government was also forced to pay hefty reparation fines to all eight nations who invaded China to loot our treasures, kill our men and rape our women.
Like I said, the only ones who care deeply for China's interest, are Chinese people living here. The only ones who can defend China from foreign invasion, are the Chinese soldiers in PLA. Those that want to see China succeed as a nation, are the Chinese people who went through "hell" for 100 years. "Hell" that you foreigners keep on dismissing again and again. You think building a nation such as China is easily accomplished? Why don't other countries rise to become world's 2nd largest economy if it were that easy, or to have world's 2nd largest military budget, like China?
It is clear that most of you people hate China, our people and government, so why pretend to care for China's success at all? Why can't you name any positive points about China expressed by people on this thread? But in this thread, there are so many examples of people jumping to defend Japan for their war crimes. So how can you claim that you people actually care for China's success?
Old China is our mother, where we were born and nurtured, and Modern China is our baby, built painfully by the sweat, blood and tears of Chinese people living here. It is not perfect entity and foreigners to our lands may disdain China, but it is our creation, made by the hands of Chinese people. Who are you people to constantly tell Chinese people what we should do or how to behave? You don't like our precious creation, then you are free to leave and never come back. China does not need foreigners who don't share our interests but still pretend to.
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+Captain Midnight Why are you blaming me for what other people said about the Tsunami that hit Japan? The Tsunami is act of nature that swept across Japan, and not of China's doing, whereas Japanese invasion of China was premeditated and an act of war, so both of those events are entirely different so exactly what is the link here?
Since when is enshrinement of war criminals a "petty" event? Millions of Chinese, Koreans and other people died by the actions of Class-A war criminals, and yet, these people are allowed to be enshrined within the Japanese holy ancestral shrine? Like I said, what if Hitler and Nazism were enshrined by Germans, and people are publicly able to worship them? You constantly attempt to trivialize such a thing as being "petty" and dismiss it, when it concerns the treatment of war criminals? I already shown that Chinese are not the only ones protesting about Yasukuni, and that Koreans are also doing it, yet you continue to brush off both of our countries' views.
I already said Filipinos (including their grandparents) who don't care about Yasukuni at all are allowed not to pursue justice if they don't want to. But that does not mean you can prohibit China and Korean from bringing up Yasukuni. Our countries were affected by Japanese rule for longer duration as compared to Philippines. I am not dragging them into this Yasukuni issue if they choose not to pursue.
Regarding your 1st source, did you look at the picture of Larung Gar? It consists of numerous old wooden shanties, stacked side by side, wall to wall, with tin roofs and low hanging electricity cables. It is a fire hazard, and in 2014, there was a fire that destroyed 100 houses in Larung Gar, since the old shacks are adjacent to each other. More than 450 Chinese rescuers, police, and firefighters took part in relief efforts, but the fire had burned uncontrolled for some 11 hours before it was finally extinguished. So Chinese government is demolishing those old, fire-prone structures to make way for modern buildings with running water and electricity. Chinese government is relocating those 5,000 students to temporary housing while Larung Gar is being demolished to make way for new buildings.
Fire Destroys 100 Houses at Larung Gar rfa.org/english/news/tibet/fire-01102014181943.html
Your 2nd source comes from Central Tibetan Administration, which is the 14th Dalai Lama's exiled government. What makes you think that CTA is able to obtain reliable data about Tibet? It is obviously against China and the CTA is not even a recognised sovereign government by any country. The CTA even receives funding from US CIA in the form of US$1.7 million a year in the 1960s, so isn't it a CIA-sponsored government meant to undermine Chinese rule over Tibet?
The CTA is not recognised as a sovereign government by any country en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Central_Tibetan_Administration#Activities_with_other_organisations
What are the names of the Taoist disciple, the Uighur farmer, the dozens of Christians and so on? The source can make such vague references without giving away any actual names? How do you expect people to believe this source then?
As for Falun Gong harvesting, it is proven to be rumor and was debunked when the number of organs transplants in China do not match up with the allegations of organ harvesting. According to following source, it cannot be true that between 60,000 and 100,000 organ transplants are performed on the Chinese mainland, because the claimed number is equal to the transplant activity of the entire world and is practically impossible, said Jose Ramon Nunez Pena, medical officer of the World Health Organization. He also said that the WHO firmly and without reservation supports China's new ethics-based, transparent organ donor program. Other medical experts like Michael Millis, vice-chairman for global surgery and director at the University of Chicago's School of Medicine Transplant Center, also dismissed the allegations of organ harvesting.
Organ harvesting rumors slammed chinadaily.com.cn/china/2016-08/19/content_26531057.htm
So I won't admit to anything that has proven to be false according to international experts in the above source.. Chinese government may have committed atrocities, but some allegations are simply made up by Western media to malign Chinese government that's all.
Also, you didn't mention anything about Japanese doctoring their historical textbooks to omit WW2 atrocities. Like I said, what if Germany were allowed to edit its history to downplay Nazi atrocities? In Germany it is illegal NOT to mention Hitler or to downplay Nazi crimes, so why is Japan allowed to get away with it? Don't you see the double standards you apply to Japan and German, regarding their war crimes? Althought the atrocities lie with the older Japanese generation, the younger generation of Chinese are the ones publishing such historically inaccurate textbooks downplaying Japan's role in WW2 and are being allowed to get away with it.
Japanese history textbook controversies en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_history_textbook_controversies
So why do you continue to trivialize this affair? The younger generation of Japanese are not atoning for their ancestors sins, by doctoring their historical textbooks, and continuing to pray at Yasukuni shrine.
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Why are people constantly shielding the Japanese and cooking up excuses for their war crimes (real atrocities that actually happened) ? Just because you don't care, means you can tell others not to? China and South Korea both suffered for at least a decade under Japanese occupation (13 years for China, 35 years for Korea) You claim "The rest of the world, including Korea, has gotten past the anger and hatred." then I already shown videos of South Koreans protesting Yasukuni Shrine visit by Japanese politician, as well as elderly S. Korean women protesting against Japanese mislabeling "comfort" women as well paid prostitutes. All of this from Korean news not just China's CCTV, so how is this Chinese propaganda?
The Tsunami that hit Japan was an act of nature, and not of China's doing. If other people claim that it is act of retribution by god, then why is it considered bigotry? "Retribution" and "Karma" are words that imply that the country did something wrong in the past (the Japanese war atrocities) and is now being punished for it. So why is it bigotry to consider the tsunami an act of punishment for previous grievances? Those atrocities really did happen, so what's wrong with people seeing the tsunami as repaying past crimes? Don't you people truly understand concept of "karma" before calling others bigots?
I don't understand why you people continue to call the Yasukuni war shrine visit "petty" and refuse to make comparisons to Germany if they somehow choose to make a shrine to worship Hitler and Nazi. You don't care, gives you the right to tell others not to care? WW2 to many countries, was only 3-6 years (even for Nazism), whereas Japanese occupied China and Korea for more than 10 years, so obviously the circumstances for our countries are different as compared to rest of the world. Who are you people to tell us not to care, when your countries suffered for shorter duration, even for Nazism?
No one has even said anything so far about Japanese revision of its historical textbooks. You claim the young Japanese people know their history, then what about those young Japanese that grew up learning from those revised Japanese historical textbooks? You claim young generation of Japanese are not to blame, then why are those historical textbooks being doctored and published by Japanese then? Would you people protest a German historical textbook downplaying Hitler and Nazism? It is already illegal in Germany NOT to mention its war crimes, so again, why are you people constantly making up excuses to defend Japan doctoring its textbooks?
If you Filipinos (and your grandparents) don't care about Yasukuni, then do I blame you for not caring? And does this give you people the right to tell Chinese and Japanese not to care? Filipino people still protest to Japanese Embassy about "comfort" women issue just like South Koreans (as shown in one of my previous source), so if you personally don't care as Filipino, does that mean that other Filipinos don't care?
Regarding Yasukuni's history, Chinese people didn't care about previous visits to Yasukuni by its politicians for a long time. But it is only after enshrinement of 14 Class-A Japanese war-criminals, did Chinese people began protesting. Chinese people don't mind Yasukuni enshrinement of Japanese war veterans (or even the Chinreisha building honoring those that died in WW2) since those soldiers that died were following orders from above. But it is the Class-A war criminals enshrinement, that Japanese government (i.e. the "younger" generation of Japanese) has probably gone too far here. Not just Chinese and Koreans protest, but also Emperor Hirohito expressed strong displeasure in 1988 over Yasukuni Shrine’s decision in the late 1970s to include Class-A war criminals on the list of people honored there, as shown in this Japanese source.
Hirohito visits to Yasukuni stopped over war criminals japantimes.co.jp/news/2006/07/21/news/hirohito-visits-to-yasukuni-stopped-over-war-criminals/
So why can't Chinese and Koreans protest Yasukuni after enshrinement of Class-A Japanese war criminals? What is fundamentally wrong with us protesting? You people keep saying we should live and let live, as long as such further atrocities are prevented from happening in future. But how are we doing that, if we let Japan enshrine its high-level war criminals to worship them? The message it is sending to young Japanese people is "If you commit high level atrocities in name of Japan, you will be enshrined here and worshipped by leaders of Japan". *How are we going to prevent new generation of Japanese from repeating their war crimes, if we allow them to doctor their textbooks to downplay its atrocities? We all don't want Japan to repeat their war crimes, but how can we prevent that, if we allow Japanese to doctor their textbooks and enshrine high-level war criminals?
As for Chinese government, you complain about Chinese government demolishing Larung Gar of Tibet and displace 5000 Tibetans, then I have already shown that Larung Gar is fire hazard, with numerous old wooden shacks packed closely together with low hanging electrical cables above its tin roofs. I even shown that there was fire in Larung Gar in 2014, so what's wrong with demolishing Larung Gar's old buildings to make way for modern buildings? This is 21st century, so shouldn't Tibetan students get access to more modern buildings, instead of being packed by the thousands into these unsafe accommodations?
The CTA is sponsored by CIA, so how can you trust what it says when it has support from USA, whom is out to malign Chinese government in every way? Its sources just claim a Taoist Monk, an Uighur farmer, etc, etc, without actually naming the people, so why do you still believe what CTA says? On the other hand, I quoted some names of international organ experts from WHO and other organizations, that visited Beijing and denounce rumors of Falun Gong organ harvesting, so why dismiss my source and continue supporting yours? If you claim to have evidence, why not confront Chinese government directly with your proof?
I mean, exactly what atrocities are Chinese government committing on minorities that you keep highlighting about? I have Tibetan and Uighur schoolmates, and although I am not personally close to them, they get along fine with other Han Chinese people and thanks to the government, these people are able to acquire an education and graduate to find jobs. Tibetans and Uighurs, being ethnic minorities in China, enjoy special privileges in education, such as having free education up to university/college and given advantage during entry into educational courses. If Chinese government are against minorities like you claim, then why grant Tibetans and Uighurs special privileges such as tax exemption, healthcare benefits and so on? Why spend money to demolish Larung Gar in Tibet to build modern campus, instead of leaving the old place as fire hazard to "kill" off Tibetans? Before 1951, Tibet had zero universities/colleges, but today, many Tibetan universities been build to help increase education level of Tibetans.
List of universities and colleges in Tibet en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_universities_and_colleges_in_Tibet
You people don't know ANYTHING about China, yet presume to act like you do and claim Chinese media is censored from the truth, when most of you people never even been to China in the first place.
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+Captain Midnight This is what I don't understand: You are American, but why are you sticking up for Japanese war crimes instead of defending your country? Its extremely unnatural. Just because you don't defend your country from criticism, means I can't defend mine? People like you elevate Japanese people to be above all forms of criticism and constantly worship them on a pedestal.
In your definition of bigot, you think Chinese people just simply started hating Japanese for no reason? Japan is the country that earned animosity in Asia in the first place, by invading China and Korea, and visiting many wartime atrocities onto our countries. So why is harboring hatred against Japanese people considered bigotry? Chinese and Koreans hate Japanese for their "actions" and it is these "actions" that earned them hatred, so how is it even related to "race"? If it were another race that committed those atrocities, the victims may still harbor hatred, regardless if the aggressor is Japanese or if the victims are Chinese. "Race" has little to do here with your definition of bigotry, and it is the "actions" that define this hatred in the first place.
As for "karma", it is obvious that someone raised in America like you, would understand little of this Asian concept. "Karma" basically means bad things happen to people who do bad deeds. This divine punishment does not necessarily have to apply to you directly, and instead it can be inflicted on your family, your spouse, your kids, your grandchildren and even your village and country. And the punishment need not arrive immediately, it can occur be several decades later, which is part of the belief in karma. So how is claiming that the tsunami that hit Japan is an act of punishment by god, wrong in any way? China did not create that tsunami, and neither did you or me or that guy that first said it. So why are we being labelled as bigots, simply because American like you don't understand the Asian concept of karma? Who are you to "judge" whether a fate is well-deserved or not? You think you are some higher being that is granted the power to judge other people's crimes? Who do you think you are here to call something as not well deserved in the first place?
Once again, your link of "bigotry" to "tsunami being a punishment by god for past sins" is weak and illogical. Just because Asians have our own beliefs, means you can constantly discount them as petty and trivialize the matter? Just because you don't care (even about your own government) means you can tell others not to care?
I already shown that the Emperor Hirohito is old generation, while the Japanese politicians (like Shinzo Abe) that visit Yasukuni are the younger generation, so again, why are you cooking up excuses to defend the younger generation of Japanese? You claim Japanese have been punished for their crimes, then why is Hirohito (who is Japanese version of "Hitler") not in jail or even executed for orchestrating the entire affair of Japanese Imperialism? From what I heard, at the end of WW2, Hitler escaped punishment by committing suicide in his bunker, whereas the Japanese emperor got away lightly. Don't you see the level of unfairness between German and Japanese treatment after WW2? In my article about Unit 731, people did not know about the horrible experiments committed by Japanese soldiers, because General Douglas MacArthur secretly granted immunity to the physicians of Unit 731, in exchange for providing America with the data of their experiments. But again, you as American is probably going to say something along the lines of "I don't care about America's sins, both past and present"
If new generation of Japanese do not support Japanese revised textbooks, then why is there no outright ban on the textbooks? They may be shunned, but not by every Japanese, and there are still schools teaching using those textbooks. What's going to happen to the next generations of Japanese children brought up by the teachings of this textbook? Why is this book even still partially tolerated by Japan in the first place, when such a book would have been immediately banned in Germany, if the subject was about downplaying Nazi warcrimes instead?
Atrocities committed against OWN people are vastly different from atrocities committed against OTHER people. It is Koreans who should be concerned about North Korean atrocities, not China, since China does not meddle in North Korea's internal affair. As for Chinese atrocities, the communist party has long since acknowledged the failures of Mao's policies and moved on. Mao's Cultural Revolution had affected Tibet adversely, but also the rest of China suffered as well, and after the revolution, the CPC sent workers to Tibet to help rebuild the destroyed monasteries and temples as well as to help develop Tibetan region. They can't resurrect lost lives, but they can work to make living conditions in our country better. You constantly talk of Chinese government's atrocities, but again no new government is perfect in its rulership, and mistakes are bound to be made during the course of governing a country and the important thing was that the communist party realized their mistakes and abandon their current course to switch to Deng Xiaoping's economic reforms in 1970s. According to World Bank, China’s poverty rate fell from 88% in 1981 to a mere 6.5% in 2012. According to UNESCO, adult literacy rate of China increased from 65.5 % in 1982 to 96.4 % in 2015 growing at an average annual rate of 10.39 %. Under the communist government, China's population doubled and our population life expectancy doubled, despite being as poor as India's in 1960s. So the good thing is that while the communist was on the wrong path initially, it was able to notice it and make changes accordingly.
Life Expectancy at Birth in China, Europe, USA and India china-profile.com/data/fig_WPP2010_L0_Boths.htm
Poverty in China en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poverty_in_China
So what is wrong with giving Chinese government credit, where credit is due? I have never claimed that Chinese government is absolutely perfect (as I reiterated many times) but why can't I defend it when false allegations are made against it? You talk of ethnic minority discrimination, then why are ethnic minorities allowed to have as many kids as they want, whereas Han Chinese subject to population control measures? You mention Falun Gong, but I have already quoted international organ experts from WHO after their visit to Beijing.
If you want, here is another article about organ transplant in China, this time with remarks made by Campbell Fraser, an organ trafficking researcher from Australia. He says rumors are still being spread by the Falun Gong cult as well as that China harvested organs from cult members, but "there's no evidence of that whatsoever". "So now this is like a proxy for a political campaign against the Chinese government. The people of the Falun Gong have no interest in transplantations, or in helping the patients. What they are interested in doing is trying to win global support for their campaign against China," he said. Fraser has followed global trends in organ trafficking for years and interviewed countless medical doctors, experts and Falun Gong practitioners.
World can benefit from China's expertise in organ donation, Australian expert says chinadaily.com.cn/china/2017-04/22/content_29037519.htm
You don't care about so many things, like what happens in your own country, but you somehow care for Japanese war crimes enough to jump to their defense? You constantly label our Asian issues "petty" when civilians are being bombed in Middle East and you don't care? Once again, just because you don't care about making your own country better, doesn't mean other people shouldn't care about making our countries better. Only childish people like you, resort to hurling abusive language when you lack any coherent point to bring up during this discussion.
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+Captain Midnight You claim to care about your country's issues and to be doing something about it. But exactly what are you doing about it? Your entire post is about defending Japanese war crimes and cooking up lame excuses, and there is hardly anything about defending America at all. Like I said, its unnatural the way you rush to defend Japanese warcrimes, all the while ignoring your own country's problems. Yet you claim to care about your country?
Once again, you give the same old stale excuse about old generation and new generation. Take USA for example. The United States was formed on the backs of African slavery, genocide of native Americans, occupation of their lands, and plundering of their natural resources, like gold. Your country was built by laborious efforts of people, like Africans, and also Chinese immigrants to USA, who help build railroads and bridges in America, but the "white" Americans treated the other races like 2nd class citizens, when they are all immigrants to America (except for Native Americans). Racism and minority discrimination still exists in America, and you still complain about minority issues in China?
How can you claim to know that these academia on Quora are all authentic Japanese? In Quora, people can easily pose as other races in their posts. Like you said, this is the Internet after all. You may have claimed to have talked to these people personally, but why would they share their intimate country's details about WW2 and innermost nationalist feelings, with a foreigner like you? Japanese well-known for being polite and reserved, so how would you know what they really think, unless you are Japanese-born yourself? For example, do you think such polite and courteous people are capable of such weird game shows, bizarre adult videos and such wicked war atrocities? You are completely fooled by their outward facade and politeness, and know nothing about their innermost thoughts.
Again, why do you continue to call Yasukuni shrine visit "petty"? Would you treat a German Chancellor visiting a hypothetical Nazi shrine honoring Class-A criminals as petty? You are obviously trivializing the entire affair and dismissing it, when this issue continues to define relations between China-Japan and Korea-Japan. Look at Wikipedia: China–Japan relations en.wikipedia.org/wiki/China–Japan_relations and you can clearly see that the relationship between China and Japan has been strained at times by Japan's refusal to acknowledge its wartime past. Revisionist comments made by prominent Japanese officials and some Japanese history textbooks regarding the 1937 Nanjing Massacre have been a focus of particular controversy.
This is unrelated but for completeness sake: According to Wikipedia: Japan–Korea relations, the relationship soured when the Japanese Prime Minister Junichiro Koizumi visited the Yasukuni Shrine every year during his term.
So from the above two paragraphs, why do you claim it is petty affair, when the Yasukuni visits defines the China-Japan and Japan-Korea relations? Such important issue affects our countries' relations, yet you continue to label it "petty"?
I already shown many times that Hirohito is the OLD generation, and the younger Japanese politicians are the NEW generations continuing to worship at the shrines, but you blindly refuse to see this. If the young generation didn't visit Yasukuni, then there wouldn't even be any controversy between the generations at all, isn't there? Why do you refuse to see this?
The general Japanese people may not believe in the revised textbook, but again, the books are NOT completely banned in Japan, and there will be inevitably be some schools teaching young generation of Japanese using those doctored materials. Otherwise, why not ban the book if everyone disapproves of it? Why is it still allowed to exist? Is it some because of some lingering Japanese reluctance to destroy the book? Once again, I don't understand why American like you continue to jump to Japan's defense every time.
About bigotry, what is factually wrong with any of my previous descriptions about Japanese that makes it illogical and irrational? I quoted the Unit 731 atrocities from Wikipedia, so what is factually wrong with my description at all? It is all from Wikipedia, not narrated by Chinese government, so why are you constantly attributing every thing I say to the Chinese government? Those names of international organ experts from WHO and Australia, are they from Chinese government? You are just being extremely prejudice against me and my sources, when you are unable to even prove anything factually wrong with them.
Look at Larung Gar being demolished because it consists of very closely packed old wooden houses, filled by 5000+ Tibetans students. Isn't it a real fire hazard, since a fire broke out in Larung Gar back in 2014? This is 2014, so why are Tibetan students still forced to live in such cramp and poor conditions? Which part of this statement is illogical and irrational at all?
About bigotry again, if it has nothing to do with race, then why did you bring race into it? You claim I am being bigot for hating Japanese, but what is the source of this hatred? From the Japanese war crimes, which are still not fully addressed even till today, so what's wrong with harboring hatred here? It deals with the "actions" of Japanese, not their "race" so why is it bigotry. If those "actions" had never been committed, or if Japanese fully acknowledge their "actions" then this hatred wouldn't even exist at all, wouldn't you agree? Which part of this argument is illogical or irrational? This hatred didn't just rose out of nowhere. Many people in the world also hate a group of people roughly called "terrorists" so is this considered bigotry as well, according to your definition of hating a group of people?
If you had truly known all about karma, then I wouldn't even have to explain its principles to you. You would have known that it affects generations, so why are you labeling me a bigot again? You personally don't believe in it but in Asian countries, belief in karma is prominent and one's actions can affect not just yourself, but your family, etc, etc. This is one of fundamental difference between Westerners beliefs and Asians beliefs. Of course there's no link between the WW2 and the tsunami, (since one is premeditated attack and one is act of nature) so what is wrong with claiming that the Tsunami was divine punishment from above? For the umpteen time, China did not cause the tsunami, neither did you or me or that guy, so how is this bigotry? No one can control when Tsunami will strike. You really feel sympathy for Japanese people killed by natural disaster, but feel nothing for Chinese killed, raped and experimented on by Japanese?
I have never claimed to have judge whether the tsunami is well-deserved fate. All I said that it was an act of nature (which you refuse to even acknowledge) and if anyone was "judging" then it was Heaven's will. If you somehow think that that fate was not well-deserved, then why don't you blame the heavens above, instead of Chinese people by labeling us bigots? You clearly harbor extreme prejudice by blaming Chinese people for something we didn't do, yet defending Japanese for something they did on Chinese.
Hitler knew he would be executed as Westerners are going to demand his blood, which was why he committed suicide. But Hirohito was promised US protection from retaliation by Japan's victims like Chinese, Koreans and allowed to keep his life. Why did USA resort to protecting the aggressor country of WW2 instead of helping victims seek justice? Just like why Unit 731 was covered up by General MacArthur and the Japanese scientists granted immunity? You claim to be defending USA, but what exactly have you done to defend your country at all in your entire post? All you keep doing is sticking up for Japan every time, instead of USA.
Crimes against humanity? Isn't USA also bombing other countries and violating human rights in Guantanamo Bay detention center? What about you constantly being apologist for Japanese war crimes in all of your posts? China is member of UN, but our dealings with North Korea are also on a bilateral (country to country) level which are different from UN's third party interference.
If you don't trust my sources, then what reason do I have to trust your sources? For example, CTA is being openly sponsored by CIA, so what makes its source reliable when it says a Taoist monk, or a Uighur farmer, dozens of Christians, etc, without giving any actual information. About your source, I already shown that Falun Gong is a cult, so what is wrong if Chinese government uses our media to expose its crimes? Doesn't the USA also use their media to expose terrorism within their countries? You constantly label Chinese people as bigots for targeting a group of people, when USA also does that by targeting "terrorists" as a threat to national security in the same way?
You have shown extreme disinterest in anything regarding America, but conversely, you are passionate about Japan and pour so much effort into jumping in to defend Japanese war crimes. Are you really American-Filipino? Why you claim to care about your country's problems, but said nothing about America, and go into extreme detail about Japan instead? Isn't this unnatural, the way you stick up for Japan, but not America? Why is it you are allowed to defend Japan instead of America, but I can't even defend China? I openly said Chinese government is not perfect, and they have their flaws, but thanks to our government, China is not a puppet of USA, like South Korea or Japan or even ROC (Taiwan) and Philippines to lesser extent. Chinese government fights for our own interests, not for that of USA, unlike those other countries I mentioned above. China relies on PLA for defense, not US forces like in S. Korea, Japan or Philippines.
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+Chappie99 9 Where your evidence that organ harvesting is still ongoing today? I already shown that international organ experts from WHO and Australia have been to Beijing to observe our organ transplant practices and have already dispelled rumors of ongoing organ harvesting. For example, Falun Gong claims 100,000 organ transplants are occurring every year in China. But according to statistics, the total number of organ transplants in the world in 2015 was 126,670. So how could Chinese government have performed almost as many organ transplants as the rest of the world put together?
Source: Estimated number of organ transplantations worldwide in 2015 statista.com/statistics/398645/global-estimation-of-organ-transplantations/
+Captain Midnight If you claim nobody defending Japanese war crimes, then exactly what is this argument all about? If you aren't defending Japanese war crimes, then we wouldn't be having this discussion at all, so why continue to stick up for them, while not claiming to do so? You obviously stick up for them, instead of your own country. Look at the amount of content you posted related to Japan, compared to America. Yet you claim you aren't defending Japan, and that you care for America?
I don't know your exact ancestry, but it is possible that you are half-Caucasian, half-Filipino. So obviously you won't hate Caucasian Americans (white), but can you say the same thing for full blooded African Americans (black), Latin Americans (brown), Asian Americans (yellow) and of course Native Americans (red)? Once again, you don't even defend America, but claim to address these minority ethnic problems?
In Youtube, Japanese hosts interview Japanese citizens on TV, but again, who would express their own private opinions to the public media, especially about sensitive issues like Yasukuni and Japanese warcrimes? You really simply believe what these Japanese uploaders choose to show on Youtube? In many of such interviews, the more extremist and radical views expressed of people interviewed are omitted and not shown.
As for Quora, the only information gleamed about the users are that Akinari Kumazawa is half-Japanese and he clearly refers to himself as regular "Jap" (which is actually an ethnic slur against Japanese) so it is clear that he doesn't even respect his own origins. And Hiro Kuwana, it's only known that he is Buddhist, so how can you prove he is really Japanese?
I have already shown how such a "petty" affair can strain the relations between Japan-China and also Japan-Korea. I don't understand why you continue to trivialize such important affair that affects our 3 countries' relations. China and Korea aren't the ones who started the whole thing; Japan did, both by waging war and then continuing to enshrine Class-A war criminals, so how is it our countries are being petty for protesting?
The revised textbooks are still not completely banned in Japan, so why is my fault for point that out? Some schools will still pick up those books and teach it to next generation of Japanese, and these kids will grow up thinking Japan did nothing wrong during WW2. So why are you blaming me, instead of the Japanese? Do you want Japanese children to be taught using these doctored teaching materials? In those textbooks, South Korean "comfort" women are referred to as willing well-paid government prostitutes, so why do you think those elderly Koreans are protesting? They will most likely not receive justice and die being remembered wrongly, so why do you continue to stick up for Japan?
Why don't you spend time proving how my statements illogical and irrational instead of resorting to insulting me? The textbook revision and Yasukuni visit already show that young generation of Japanese do not fully acknowledge war crimes of their ancestors. I mean, if the current Japanese gov't simply rectified these two issues, then China and Korea would be lesser inclined to protest, isn't it? Old generation like Hirohito clearly knows what his generation did, so why younger generation continue to defend older generation's crimes? Nobody would find fault with current Japanese generation, if they choose to directly address these two issues.
You keep saying everything is Chinese propaganda, while I simply shown that Unit 731 is by Western media, so why call me a "tw@t"? Do I call you that?
If its not about race, then why bring race into this issue? I have never once leveled anything racist towards Japanese or blamed them because of their race. I pointed out Japanese "actions" not their "race" so how am I being racist at all? What about you people claiming Chinese people are all rude and noisy? Isn't that racist against Chinese?
So its rational to "hate" terrorists, but "irrational" to hate Japanese people who defend their warcrimes? Who are you to define what is "hating the right people"? You only see from your own point of view and not others, so how do you define "hating the right people"? You're not even Japanese, so why are you constantly sticking up for them? The Yasukuni shrine visit is political affair between China, Korea and Japan, so why are you as American even butting in? You claim I am not involved, then what is your association to Japan-Chinese relations at all?
Just like here, you are claiming I am bigot for believing in Karma. Millions of people in the world believe in karma, so if you don't, then what gives you the right to tell others not to believe? Karma affects people over generations so what is bigoted with our beliefs that you must insult us so? You are half-Asian by ancestry, but it is clear you are full-American in your beliefs. Who are you to mock Asian beliefs of what happens to souls then?
My statement makes sense when strung together, but you are deliberately dissecting it so it doesn't make sense when taken apart. Of course there's no link between WW2 and the tsunami, (since one is man-made and the other is natural) so what is wrong with claiming that the Tsunami was divine punishment from above? Did I ever said the two affairs are not linked spiritually? No, I only said one is done by man and other by nature, so obviously they aren't linked in that regard. If China had invaded Japan, then both of them would be man-made affairs, but since tsunami is act of nature, then whats wrong claiming it to be divine punishment from above?
Get over it? Who is the one complaining about tsunami victims in the first place? You weep for Japanese being killed by act of nature, but not for Chinese people killed, raped and experimented on by Japanese? One affair could have been prevented while the other was entirely unpreventable, so why are you blaming Chinese and calling us bigots for what happened to Japan? Did China invade Japan or somehow created the tsunami? You don't believe in "guy in the sky" means others have to follow your beliefs?
You have entirely failed to show how I am bigoted in any way. I am not racist, and I blame Japanese "actions" not their "race", unlike some of you people stereotyping all Chinese as rude and noisy. I don't mock or insult your beliefs unlike what you keep doing to me. Karma dictates that bad things happen to bad people, over generations, so the tsunami can be viewed as divine punishment by some people. So you call them bigots for their beliefs? Who is the one first mention bigotry in the first place?
Excuse me but I never said Hitler was killed by the Allies, only that he knew he would if he was captured alive. Also, how was Hirohito tried in place of his subordinates? During Tokyo War Crimes Tribunal in 1946, many Japanese military and political leaders were tried and executed, but Emperor Hirohito and all members of the imperial family, such as career officer Prince Yasuhiko Asaka, were not prosecuted, so how was Hirohito tried in place of his subordinates at all? What about General MacArthur covering up Unit 731 atrocities?
Its alright if you claim US government is corrupt, but when have I ever said that Chinese government is absolutely perfect? Chinese government has corruption, but at least the communist party is taking active steps to crack down on corruption and there are many news of communist party leader exposed for corruption. But when is the last time USA conducted anti-corruption campaign? For example, as a candidate, President Trump promised to release his tax details if he became president, but so far, he hasn't done so. And you people just continue to support him not knowing whether he is clean?
Lastly, if you people still believe in Falun Gong organ-harvesting, then why doesn't anyone approach Chinese government with solid proof to expose this matter once and for all? Why doesn't US President Trump confront President Xi directly about Falun Gong organ harvesting? Why didn't Obama administration expose this issue during Obama's term? Do other UN world leaders like Russian President Vladimir Putin or German Chancellor Angela Merkel raise the issue of Falun Gong to President Xi? You people claim to have all these incriminating evidence available, then why don't you take the Chinese government to court over this issue? Even right now, UN human rights focus is on Rohigya crisis happening in Burma, so what makes Falun Gong an issue when no government is willing to take charge of this issue? What use is all your allegations, when you can't even use them to prove anything?
I have already shown organ experts from WHO, Chicago and Australia have been to Beijing and dispelled such rumors, and even quoted their names directly. These people are willing risk their international reputation to refute Falun Gong harvesting rumors. In 2015, the total number of organ transplants in 2015 was 126,670, so how can China be performing over 100,000 organ transplants every year, as claimed by Falun Gong? In China, the waiting time for organ transplants in our hospitals is in months, the same as anywhere else.
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+Captain Midnight My bigoted statements? Who is the one resorting to abusive language, such as "tw@t" and "go F yourself" to attack me personally? I don't use such language against you, simply because your views differ from mine. Just like why is it your observations about Chinese being obnoxious and bigoted is not racist, but I am racist towards Japanese? Can you quote me the statements I made about Japanese is even remotely racist at all? I blame their "actions" not "race" so why you think I am racist, when you clearly are racist yourself?
I have already shown that one of the "Japanese" in Quora is actually half-Japanese, and he uses "Jap" (which is ethnic slur) to refer to his race, so how does his view represent that of all Japanese? You ask me to prove their identity, then what about you claiming that the Japanese criminals who are involved in the unit 731 attrocities did express their opinions to the public media? The Japanese burnt and destroyed most of the materials regarding Unit 731, as shown in my Unit 731 source, so why do you still claim the Japanese involved in Unit 731 are "expressing their views to public media" when tragically, many more horror stories are buried? Why do you still stubbornly defend the Unit 731 Japanese?
About Japanese books being banned, you clearly said "Do you seriously lack the mental capacity...etc" so aren't you faulting me for pointing out that the revised books are not banned in Japan? Why does the Japanese public tolerate the presence of these revised textbooks? These books will inevitably end up being taught in some Japanese schools and the next generation Japanese schoolkids will grow up ignorant of Japan's crimes during WW2. Why do you continue to attack me personally, while sticking up for the Japanese? We all don't want Japan repeat its war crimes, but how can we do that, when they have textbooks that downplay their crimes? I think it is you who lack the mental capacity to think about the consequences of tolerating such revised books.
I have already shown that it is YOUNG generation of Japanese that are visiting Yasukuni Shrine, and publishing those textbooks, not the OLD generation. Old generation like Hirohito is against the Younger Japanese politicians visiting of Yasukuni after enshrinement of Class-A warcriminals, so why can't I blame the younger generation? How is this statement illogical and irrational? You rather prefer to spend your time attacking me personally with insults, instead of actually addressing any of my points.
About Yasukuni Shrine visit and Revised textbook, if you read my source about Japan-China relations, then Sino-Japanese relations warmed considerably after Shinzo Abe became the PM of Japan in 2006, and joint historical study between China and Japan in 2010 pointed toward new consensus on WW2 atrocities. [1] foreignpolicy.com/2010/02/09/nanjing-by-the-numbers/ so why you claim China would protest no matter what the Japanese people do? Chinese people didn't protest Yasukuni Shrine visits PRIOR to the enshrinement of 14 Class-A Japanese war criminals so why you think China would continue to protest, even if Japan rectified this situation? Just because you accept Japan's official position, means China and Korea are wrong for not accepting, and we are giving malice to the visits? Who is the one that maliciously choose to enshrine Class-A war criminals in the first place? Why do you continue to defend Japan, and accept their statements, while labeling China and Korea malicious? Our countries are victims of the war, not Japan, which you keep shielding.
If Japan have the right to do that in their own country, then why are you constantly bringing up Tibet and Falun Gong in our country? In Larung Gar, 10,000+ Tibetans live in those packed, old wooden houses, so what's wrong with China reducing the numbers by half in Larung Gar to 5,000 and also demolishing the buildings to make way for modern apartments? There was a fire in Larung Gar in 2014, so why can't Chinese government take steps to prevent another fire from happening?
Visiting a shrine doesn't mean they are denying their warcrimes, but enshrining Class A Japanese warcriminals is. The message this is sending to younger generations of Japanese is that "Commit these atrocities in Japan's name, and when you die, your remains will be enshrined in Yasukuni and worshiped by future Japanese politicians." Which part of this interpretation is wrong? You think Chinese and Koreans are protesting against Yasukuni without any reason?
Your point of view is logic? Then why do you cuss and swear at me constantly for expressing my views, because mine differ from yours? You tell me to "Learn to Context" when you dissect every line of my paragraph so that each line is meaningless on its own, and then proceed to attack me personally? You know the principles of Karma, and that it affects future generations so why are you labeling us "bigots" for believing in it? You said: "Are worms the souls of your ancestors" already shows your contempt so who are you to blame others for their beliefs? *You shield Japanese belief in Yasukuni, while despising millions in the world who believe in karma. Where is the logic here? My statements make sense when strung together, so you dissect them until nobody can understand what each line means on its own.
Why are we suddenly talking about treatment of black people in China and Japan? If you Japan isn't racist, then you are looking at wrong the demographic. According to the following source, Japan is very well developed first world country today, but the fact remains it still suffers from xenophobia. Although according to Japanese laws, racism and discrimination are not allowed, the government still practices what is called “positive discrimination”. It has very low tolerance for refugees and people from other countries and it is also known fact that Japan tries its best to not allow entry to Muslims in their country as they think that Islam is not compatible with their culture. Such blatant cases of discrimination are prevalent in the country and nothing is being done about it.
Top 12 Most Racist Countries in the World (6th is Japan) listovative.com/top-12-most-racist-countries-in-the-world/
About Hitler, you clearly said: "America wanted to just hang the guy (Hirohito)" so why would they spare Hitler if you compare Hitler's treatment with Hirohito's? How does this analogy not work? So if Hirohito wasn't tried for his crimes, then how does his "plea" to protect his subordinates even work? MacArthur still charged and executed Hirohito's subordinates and spared the royal family, as well as the Unit 731 Japanese scientist? You can clearly see the difference for the victims of Japanese imperialism as compared to victims of Nazism with respect to the treatment of those responsible for WW2. Why then shouldn't Chinese and Koreans protest about this then?
The anti-corruption campaign is not just President Xi Jinping's idea ALONE. Every communist party member has to agree to this campaign in order for it to be carried out. Like I said, the Chinese government is not perfect in its implementation of anti-corruption campaign, but at least there is something being done and corruption is being addressed.
Trump didn't won the popularity vote? Then why is Trump the president of USA, if he is not the most popular? Clinton is corrupt I agree, so why isn't anything being done about her? Didn't Trump promise to jail Clinton? You mock our Chinese anti-corruption campaign, when USA does nothing about its own internal corruption?
About Falun Gong evidence, those resolutions are only passed by USA alone, but not other world leaders like Russia's, Germany's, UK's, France's, etc. If USA has all the evidence, then why doesn't Trump make a fresh appeal to President Xi about Falun Gong then? It is obvious that USA lacks SOLID evidence to properly convict China in court, so how can you go on and on about Falun Gong? The total number of organ transplants IN THE ENTIRE WORLD in 2015 is only 126,670 according to statista.com/statistics/398645/global-estimation-of-organ-transplantations/ so how can you believe that there are over 100,000 transplants every year in China as claimed by Falun Gong?
If those International organ experts from WHO, Chicago and Australia are refuted, then exactly who refuted them?
According to economist.com/blogs/graphicdetail/2014/12/daily-chart-11 China has one of the lowest organ transplant rates in Asia, even lower than Japan or Singapore, and according to the Bar on China, majority of the organs come from deceased donors (dark blue) instead of living donors (light blue). So how can you claim China has 100,000 organ transplants happening secretly underground? Does China have more organ doctors than rest of the world put together to achieve a figure of 100,000? In China the waiting time for organ donation is as long as most other countries, so how does your Falun Gong organ harvest even hold credit at all, when exposed to these facts?
Lastly, all you shown is that you harbor extreme prejudice against Chinese people that's all, while always sticking up for Japan, despite their warcrimes. Anyone can see that you are trying especially hard to defend Japanese atrocities, and that you don't really care about defending America (your country). Why do you care so much about Japan, or that Chinese consider the tsunami that hit Japan as punishment? You don't believe Karma, but you understand it, so what's wrong with millions who believe in karma? The tsunami happened regardless of people's beliefs. You clearly aren't Japanese, so there's nothing at stake if you don't defend them. The shrine and textbooks issues are clearly issues for Japan and China to work out ourselves, not for Americans like you, so cook up excuses for Japan every single time? Are Japanese somehow above all criticism?
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+Chappie99 9 According to your source, in 2005, China's transplant system was built on harvesting organs from criminals sentenced to death (“executed prisoners”) So isn't this similar as "capital punishment" as defined by other countries, such as the USA in which criminals can be given the death sentence? Every country define their capital punishment laws differently. Under Chinese laws, it was legal to harvest organs from death-row inmates, but prior consent had to be obtained from the inmate himself or his family members. The organs are were also given to the inmates families or relatives. Of course, they were also only taken after the donor was dead, not harvested "live", like Western propaganda always claim. This practice has only been banned since January 2015, so Chinese doctors performing 46 emergency liver transplants, between January 2000 and December 2004 were doing so before the ban was in place.
Since when does Falun Gong do yoga? Yoga is Indian exercise not Chinese. Chinese exercise like Qigong have long established history of thousands of years prior to Falun Gong. Falun Gong was only created in 1992, by Li Hongzhi so it has less than 30 years of history, and it hijack existing practices like Qigong which been used in China for thousands of years. That should already sound off warning bells that this is cult in the making.
This article culteducation.com/group/1254-falun-gong/6922-is-falun-gong-a-cult.html defines why Falun Gong is considered a cult. The leader, Li Hongzhi is extremely charismatic, and purportedly possesses "supernatural" powers and know "the top secret of the universe" and says "no religion can save people". His followers believe that Li Hongzhi always right and they are not allowed question the basic assumptions concerning his purported supernatural powers, teachings and/or opinions and he remains an absolute, authoritarian leader with little if any accountability.
If you try to leave Falun Gong, Li Hongzhi's followers will brand you as "evil". He also encourages hatred of homosexuals, saying, "The disgusting homosexuality shows the dirty abnormal psychology of the gay who has lost his ability of reasoning at the present time," Li Hongzhi wrote in Volume II of "Zhuan Falun," or "Turning the Law Wheel," which was translated into English in 1996. In his talk in Switzerland, Li Hongzhi also stated that gay people would be "eliminated" by "the gods." Asked in Frankfurt, Germany, in 1998 whether gays could practice Falun Gong, Mr. Li answered, "You can cultivate, but you must give up the bad conduct."
There are many more reasons listing why Falun Gong is a cult according to above source. Like I told Captain Midnight, if you believe that you have enough incriminating evidence of your own, then you are always welcome to expose this whole affair by taking China directly to court. Otherwise, there is insufficient proof to prove that Falun Gong organ harvesting is still continuing till today.
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+Chappie99 9 China defines deathrow prisoners under Chinese laws and consent is obtained from prisoners before harvesting. Internationals Ethical Guidelines regarding “voluntarily donated” are just that, guidelines like you said, not absolute laws.
Ownby is merely stating his own opinon about Falun Gong not being a cult that's all. Also in your source, Heather Kavan, a researcher at Massey University in New Zealand, disagrees with Ownby and she argues that Falun Gong “could be described as a cult” drawing comparison between Falun Gong and Maoism, writing that “like Mao, Li has activated millions of people with his rhetoric. His ideology is similarly characterized by moral superiority, defining others as absolute evil, dehumanizing enemies by labeling them snake spirits and possessed by ghosts, extolling the virtues of selflessness and sacrifice, emphasizing the necessity of enduring physical hardship, harassing critics, and denigrating science in favor of his purportedly infallible truths.”
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+Captain Midnight You claim that you using abusive language is not bigotry, but somehow, me not retaliating with abusive language is? What sort of twisted logic is this? You're not a bigot, when you are deliberately being offensive? And I am a bigot when I don't stoop to the same low level as you?
African Americans are not true Africans in the sense that grew up in Africa, like Nigerians, Somalians, Ethiopians, etc. No true born African would call themselves by the N-word, unlike those African Americans. So in the same way, isn't that half-Japanese who calls himself the ethnic slur "Jap" not a true born Japanese? What more solid proof do you need here? African Americans "aren't" true Africans and neither is that half-Japanese chap who refers to his people as "Jap", Also, Filipinos don't call themselves "Flip", they usually call themselves "Pinoy" so what nonsense are you cooking up here?
Your first source does not even mention the Japanese guy who told the first story. Did he even get his due, for cutting open a naked 30-year-old prisoner tied to a bed and dissecting him alive, without anesthetic, to study what diseases does to a person? It says the research was covered up and US army granted immunity to those scientists from war crimes prosecution and instead putting the ringleaders on trial, it gave them stipends. So what punishment did this farmer receive? He is 72-year old, still alive and not being punished.
A Russian mother and daughter were gassed to death, the mother vainly trying to cover her child and protect her from the gas. Two Chinese men were "surgical dummies" for Japanese doctors to perform an appendectomy, then an amputation of an arm and finally a tracheotomy, before being killed. Doctors even experimented on a three-day-old baby, with a needle stuck inside the infant's middle finger. Why do you continue defend such atrocities and stick up for them? Imagine if you are one of the prisoners undergoing such procedures. Your source doesn't even mention the testing of STDs and sexual crimes against female prisoners, such as impregnation and conducting experiments on mothers carrying babies.
About Japanese revised books, you claim they are doing something about it, then exactly what are they doing? Why aren't the books banned and why are they allowed to exist? Their continued existence, means some Japanese schools are going to teach using those materials, and new generation of Japanese schoolkids will grow up learning the wrong history. Why can't I point this out for fear of future generations Japanese repeating their crimes in WW2?
As for Chinese extending Japanese war to begin in 1931, the fact still remains that Japanese forces invaded Manchuria in 1931 and occupied our territories since then. So why can't this date 1931 be the actual starting point of the 2nd Sino-Japanese conflict? Japanese invaders were already occupying Chinese territory by time of Marco Polo incident in 1937. Why is this wrong? For example, WW2 formally began when Nazi Germany invaded Poland in 1939, so why can't Japan invade Manchuria be the starting point of Sino-Japanese conflict? China fought Japan long before Nazis even invaded Poland.
About the shrine visits, how is such an event is not "petty" at all, when it affects the bilateral relations between Japan-China and also Japan-Korea as shown in my Sino-Japanese relations. Like I said, China and Korea didn't protest Japanese visiting Yasukuni PRIOR to enshrinement of the 14 Class-A Japanese war criminals. Do you even know who those Class-A criminals are, and what they did? They are the higher-ups responsible for crimes against humanity, like torture and rape that have nothing honorable about it, nor does it benefit the country. They are not the simple Japanese soldiers following orders, like Class-B and below. Why then do Japanese enshrine such high ranking officials in the first place to honor them? Isn't the message saying "Commit those crimes and you will be enshrined" being sent to young generation of Japanese through this actions?
If Japan were truly sincere about apologizing for its crimes, why doesn't Japanese government simply remove those 14 Class-A criminal from Yasukuni to restore Sino-Japan relations prior to their enshrinement? Again, why are you willing to go so far to excuse the actions of these Japanese politicians? This affair mainly concerns China, Japan and Korea, so why are China and Korea wrong for protesting?
So you excuse yourself cussing and swearing in your arguments? How is that being "logical" when you are resorting to verbally attacking me instead of attacking my points? You know that karma affects generations, so what's wrong with claiming the tsunami is divine punishment, according to principles of karma? If you don't despise others who believe in it, then why are you calling the people who believe in it "bigots"? I don't mock you for your beliefs, so why do you do that to us? I already shown that tsunami is act of nature, unlike Japanese invasion of China, so why are you blaming Chinese when we aren't responsible for the tsunami in the first place? Its an act of nature, and we can't attribute it to karma?
Just look at the single lines that you kept on dissecting from my texts in your previous post. No one can understand the context of such lines when you dissect them, so isn't that the reason why you dissect them? They form a cohesive point when grouped together, but since you can't address them directly, you dissect them until they no longer make any sense.
Why are we suddenly talking about "black" people at all? The Western countries are the ones famous for mistreating Africans by importing them as slave labor in 19th century, so how is China's treatment any worst as compared to that of what Westerners did to Africa? Chinese people don't lynch Africans unlike what you Americans did to Africans. In fact, the worst lynching in America happened in Chinatown against Chinese immigrants, so who are you Americans to even talk about racism here based on your history?
The Largest Lynching In US History youtube.com/watch?v=UpZZf7K12pU
If you discount my survey, then how is yours any better? In your source, Philippines is 20 - 39.9% intolerant and South Korea is even worst at 30 - 39.9% whereas China is only 15 - 19.9% intolerant so exactly how racist is China as compared to those countries?
So because Americans didn't get to treat Hitler they way you want, gives you justice to protect Hirohito and his families and cover up Unit 731 crimes? You seen what horrors Japanese inflicted on Chinese, Russian and other prisoners in Unit 731, so why do you still fight to make excuses for Japan? Westerners hated Hitler, well then, Chinese and Koreans hated the Japanese responsible like Hirohito, so why was MacArthur allowed to cover up Unit 731 and protect Hirohito from retaliation by China and Korea? What if our roles were reversed and Chinese somehow prevented Westerners from exacting revenge on Hitler? Wouldn't you feel the same way in this analogy?
The communist party only passes each new laws based on the approval of every communist official. If the "tigers" were powerful, they could have easily blocked the move and prevent the anti-corruption crackdown from occurring.
So, why is Trump president if he didn't win the popularity vote? What's the whole point of popularity vote at all, when it doesn't determine who becomes the US president? You again insult me, while I don't do the same to you, and I only pointed out that China is actually doing "something" tangible about corruption, whereas USA isn't, so who is "butthurt" here? Which gov't gets stuff done?
Your "International Response" covers mainly USA and Israel, but nothing from Russia, UK, France, Germany, etc, about their response. US and its allies response doesn't represent "international response"
In the US, a Congressional Research Service report by Dr. Thomas Lum stated that the Kilgour–Matas report relied largely on logical inference, without bringing forth new or independently obtained testimony; the credibility of much of the key evidence was said to be questionable.
Ethan Gutmann is the one who claimed not "10,000 transplants per year in China, but something more like 60,000 to 100,000 transplants a year." according to theepochtimes.com/interview-with-ethan-gutmann-co-author-of-new-china-organ-harvesting-report_2095465.html The whole world performed about 126,000 transplants in 2015, so how could China have doctors necessary for 100,000 transplants in a year?
Lastly, if my criticism of Japan is unsound, then how is yours any more logical? You resort to abusive language and attacking me personally instead of my points, and you copy my text and dissect them so that each line makes no sense out of context, while providing little content of your own. Whereas I wrote my own opinions, instead of insulting you with vulgarities for your different opinion? Why can't I defend China, when you can stick up for Japanese warcrimes (as horrible as they are) and excuse Japanese politician actions? Karma affects next generations, so why is it bigoted to attack us for our beliefs? We didn't cause the tsunami, but Japan invaded China and refused to fully acknowledge its war atrocities as shown in Yasukuni shrine and those revised textbooks, which are the doing's of young generation of Japanese, not the old ones like Hirohito. Why Hirohito is allowed to escape punishment because America protected him? How would Americans feel if China had somehow protected Hitler if the roles were reversed?
In conclusion, you only see things from your prejudiced point of view that's all and cuss and swear, while expecting to be respected and "logical".
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+Captain Midnight How are people going to make sense of my sentences when you simply just snip off lines and leave them exposed? The definition of bigotry also includes "Intolerance towards those who hold different opinions from oneself." so isn't that what you are doing when you constantly abuse me for having different view?
Oxford dictionary: Bigotry en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/bigotry
Since you claim I am racist, then why don't you quote my racist remarks made towards Japanese? I blame Japanese for their "actions" not their "race". What about you making remarks stereotyping Chinese being obnoxious and bigoted? Isn't that attacking people for their race, not their actions? The "hate" stems from Japanese invasion of our lands and refusal to fully acknowledge its war crimes, so why is this not justified?
See, my whole point about African Americans is that they are AMERICANS, not AFRICANS and Americans use the N-word. So that half-Japanese who used ethnic slur "Jap" is not true Japanese, the same way African Americans aren't true Africans. This whole paragraph makes sense in context, but you constantly snip off lines until it makes no sense in your argument.
In your "flip side story" there is no mention of Filipinos referring to themselves as "flip" The word is just used to mean the "good" side of story, but not referencing to their race. "Flipreads" can also mean turning through pages of a book, so it may not refer to the Filipino race. In the above two contexts, "flip" has more than one meaning so how would you know if they are directly referencing Filipino race, when its primary definition ("good side" and "turning pages") makes more sense in context?
So you mean just because one anonymous Japanese man talked openly about his crimes, means whole Yasukuni Shrine and Revised Textbook is debunked? Who is this Japanese man and what is his name? Is he being punished or is he walking free? You claim Japanese speak openly about this, when we don't even know this person's name? What about the people responsible for Unit 731 (Class-A war criminals) being enshrined and worshiped at Yasukuni?
Why don't you ask how those Japanese rapists if they would openly talk about the women prisoners they raped and impregnated, and then dissecting the pregnant mothers and performing sick experiments on children they fathered with them? Why do you continue to stick up for these people? No non-Japanese would try so hard and go so far to make up excuses for Japanese war crimes. If you weren't defending them, then obviously we wouldn't be having this argument.
It goes without saying that the revised textbooks still not banned, and probably in circulation, despite what you keep claiming. Your source also shows that no real analysis been done on people who have exploited the textbook issue with the aim of reinforcing their political and cultural dominance over contemporary Japan. The leaders and members of the Liberal Democratic Party and bureaucrats in the Ministry of Education continue to prevent the book from being banned, and because of this, some Japanese schools may use such books in their teaching materials for the younger generation of Japanese. How is this lying? The books still exist, meaning that some Japanese schools will inevitably teach it to Japanese children.
Excuse me but you are the one brought up issue of Chinese history, and now accuse me of moving the goalpost? Japan invaded Manchuria in 1931, just like Nazi Germany invaded Poland in 1939 at start of WW2, so shouldn't Sino-Japanese war begin in 1931 then, when the invaders first landed on our shores?
The interpretation is not just my own views. They are also shared by some Chinese and Koreans as well as our respective government so how is it a "petty" issue, when it has adversely affected Japan-China relations and Japan-Korea relations? A trivial issue wouldn't have such impact on countries relations as Japanese politician visits to Yasukuni.
You failed to show how is it "petty" it is when it concerns our nations relations and you continue to defend Japanese actions by claiming removal of the enshrined names is irreversible.
About tsunami and WW2 not being linked. I said they aren't linked because one is man-made and the other isn't. But you keep dissecting my sentences until the original meaning is lost altogether. If you really believe the tsunami and WW2 not spiritually linked then its your own belief. But can you stop others from believing the Tsunami was act of punishment for Japanese warcrimes?
In karma, bad things happen to bad people, sometimes over generations, and we use it to tell our children not to commit bad crimes, else they will end up an insect or even deformed like that example you keep on mentioning. Don't Christians also believe in "Judgement Day" where everyone will be judged according to their crimes? Its the same thing with Karma, except we can physically observe the phenomena such as deformity or natural disasters. So what's wrong with people who believe the tsunami is punishment for Japanese warcrimes? It is interpreted as message from above reminding everyone not to commit bad deeds. Who are you to call us bigots for believing in this, when millions of people in world believe in karma?
Why bring up that "sh!tty" survey if your not going to use it? And you claim I move the goalpost again, when you brought up that survey?
About Hitler and Hirohito, the fact remains that one committed suicide, while the other eluded punishment because of America. So why did US protect the aggressor nation of WW2 from retaliation by its victims? If roles reverse, you won't care (since you don't care about anything at all) but Jews and victims of Hitler would protest the same way Chinese and Koreans are protesting now..
You mock our Chinese anti-corruption campaign design, when US system is designed such that unpopular leaders like Trump can become US President? Why don't you fix your countries problems instead of complaining about Chinese corruption? USA has long been suffering "political stagnation" so why can't Chinese government stir up and change our internal political climate?
Even if Chinese government did kill people, there were results, such as lifting 600 million Chinese out of poverty according to World Bank. This is no easy feat. For comparison, African continent has about 1.2 billion people, so Chinese government lifted a number equal to half of Africa's entire population out of poverty, in decades as compared to what Westerners did in Africa for centuries. This phenomena has been named "unprecedented" in human history, even by Western scholars, and is said to be unlikely to be ever repeated again, even by other developing nations.
Where does Gutmann even get his numbers to grossly exaggerate 10,000 transplants to 100,000 transplants? The entire world's total number of transplants only came up to about 126,000 in 2015, so China as single country is able to match that? Why you just believe whatever figure Gutmann proposed without applying logical thinking? Do our hospitals have enough organ surgeons for 100,000 transplants a year?
If you think Westerners have enough solid evidence about Falun Gong organ harvesting, then like I said, you people are always welcome to take it up in court with Chinese government to present your proof. Otherwise, all your accusations remain as allegations, nothing more. Right now, the international community is mostly concerned with Rohigya crisis in Burma, so the Falun Gong issue is not near anyone's top priority at the moment.
For the whole debate, you have been childishly resorting to hurling insults and vulgarities against me, so how does that make you any more believable? I believe no one on this entire thread is even Japanese, so why are you people jumping to defend them? Why non-Japanese like you fight so hard for Japanese war crimes? Its not your problem, its Japan, China and Korea bilateral issue, isn't? Look at the amount of effort you people put into making up excuses for Japanese warcrimes. Why go so far for them? They are not above criticism so why can't Chinese criticism them base on our history? To you, there's nothing wrong with Japanese worship at warshrine, but Chinese people can't believe the tsunami was an act of karma? Can't you see your unfair double standards applied to our countries? If you think tsunami not linked, then it is your belief, but does that mean you can stop Chinese and Koreans from our beliefs?
Also, in your sources you have shown that Japanese government also censor its warcrimes such as the deathtoll for Rape of Nanjing, so why do you claim Japanese media is uncensored in one of your earlier posts? For me, I never claimed Chinese media is completely free and uncensored, so why is it you continue to bring up Chinese censoring, when majority of my sources is obtained from Wikipedia and other Western sources.
If I have my own fallacies, then I have addressed them the best I can with sources, points and logical thinking, unlike you who resort to vulgar language against me, copying my texts and taking single lines out of context so that the original meaning is lost or it becomes different interpretation. You have shown nothing but contempt for any opinions that differ from your own. Just like you once said: "In Chinese movies, Japanese people are often portrayed as the devil." then what about in WW2 movies where Germans are portrayed as evil? What about WW2 video games about the Allies killing German soldiers? You obviously know nothing about Chinese movie industry, yet you presume to stereotype Chinese movies altogether?
Overall, I still don't get why you claim to not defend Japanese warcrime, when you clearly are. I mean, just look at the amount of content you conjure to defend Japan, but hardly anything for USA. Why do you go so far when you are Non-Japanese? You don't have to stick up for them you know, so why go so far?
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+Rhyan Jill Baytos There is nothing factually wrong with my previous statement. If it's pun, then it is still not widely recognized. "Flip" has so many meanings, from "turning over", "good side", "fickle", etc, that who would think it refers to Filipinos? You appear to be hijacking an existing word, for definitions not many people in world recognized, since according to Wikipedia, there is no mention of "flip" being used by Filipinos to define themselves, especially since "pinoy" exists, and it is less ambiguous unlike the word "flip".
+Captain Midnight My sentences only appear to don't make sense, because you keep snipping them off as individual lines instead of a cohesive paragraph. How are people going to understand a single line out of context, when you dissect everything I said? My own views towards Japanese are based on "actions" not "race" so again how is that racist? You claiming Chinese are obnoxious and bigot isn't racist, whereas I pointing out Japanese "actions" is racist? Even younger generation Japanese politicians continue to worship at Yasukuni, which the older generation like Hirohito quit visiting, so why you keep ignoring this simple fact that the young generation are doing? Am I blaming them on the basis of being Japanese? Of course not. If instead it were Koreans or Germans who invaded China then I would blame their "actions", not their race being Koreans or Germans.
I shown tolerance when other Filipinos (and their grandparents) don't want to pursue justice for Japanese warcrimes, (but that doesn't stop other Filipinos from doing so) You have shown no instances of you changing your opinions towards Chinese at all, so how can you claim to be willing to change? Unlike you, I don't resort to vulgar language at you just because your views differ from mine. You claim I am intolerant, then what about you hurling insults at me, because my views differ from yours?
The source of my hate doesn't make sense because it's not my own personal experience? What about you as American constantly cooking up excuses to explain Japanese actions? How is that personal? At least my grandmother lived through WW2, so its more personal for me, whereas it is very impersonal for you as American to get involved in Japan-China issues.
Since Americans use N-word because they are not citizens of Africa, then isn't the half-Japanese who uses "Jap" because he is not a true citizen of Japan? He is Half-Japanese, for cry out loud, so one of his parents isn't Japanese in the first place, yet you take his view to represent that of native Japanese?
Japanese war criminals are very open about talking about their crimes? Then why does he want to remain anonymous, if Japanese are so open about it? He want's anonymity so that he can say whatever he wants without persecution. The journalist is sworn to keep his name anonymous, so there's no point asking him to break his oath. Even if this guy should be in jail, but isn't, what about his superiors (the Class-A War Criminals) that gave him orders? Why are they allowed to be enshrined at Yasukuni and worshiped by politicians for their misdeeds?
You constantly claim NOT to defend Japanese warcrimes, then why are you constantly making up excuses for them? You seen the atrocities they committed, so why stick up for them as American? MacArthur helped shield Hirohito and his family from the crimes, as well as protect the Unit 731 so is that why you are on their side as US citizen?
I believe the original "goalpost" is that revised books still not banned. You claim that most Japanese don't support the books, then why is are the books still allowed to exist? Can the actions of few Japanese people prohibit the majority of Japanese from banning the book, if they choose to do so? For all your talk, there is still little action and progress towards removing the book.
Who is the one first introduced Chinese textbook revision into this discussion in the first place? You blame me for moving the "goalpost" when you are the one brought up this issue? Japanese forces were present in Manchuria in 1931, so why can't China make that the start of Sino-Japanese war, just like when Nazi troops present in Poland in 1939? What is factually wrong with mentioning this statement?
I already shown that our countries (China and Korea) bilateral relations with Japan have been damaged by politician visit to Yasukuni, so again how is that trivial affair? I also shown Korean media videos protesting about Yasukuni (and also comfort women issue) so how is it just limited to my view alone? You keep claiming that it is my own view when I supported my case with many other races protesting, including Koreans and some Filipinos so why you keep dismissing this event as trivial? If you claim it is "momentarily" forgotten, it doesn't mean it has been "permanently" forgotten, its just that current issues regarding DPRK take precedence over it. But does that mean China and Korea are going to forget Japanese actions? If it were truly "trivial" it would been forgotten long ago, isn't it?
About removal of names in Yasukuni, its just said "It is thought that enshrinement is permanent and irreversible by the current clergy" but does that mean it cannot change? It's also done by current clergy so why can't Chinese fault current generation for enshrining those Class-A war criminals? You see, Korea and China weren't the ones who started this whole affair, the current generation Japanese did, with their "actions" of enshrinement. So why can't I blame them?
Why suddenly talk about CO2 and Global warming? If you believe Tsunami and WW2 are not linked then it is your belief. Then why you call Chinese people bigots for our belief that the tsunami is act of punishment for Japanese war crimes? You personally believe there is no link, but others do, so who are you to call us bigots because of our beliefs? You understand concept of Karma and retribution, so how is our belief wrong? Can you actually prove that "souls" don't exist, neither does the underworld nor the reincarnation into deformity and insects for past crimes? Science unable to completely disprove the existence of underworld or afterlife, so why insult us when you are unable to completely prove our beliefs wrong? If there really is wheel of karma, then what's wrong with Chinese believe tsunami is punishment for Japanese warcrimes? Again, *China did not create the tsunami*.
So you brought up meaningless survey? For what reason, if you don't use it?
You are just dismissing two important figures of WW2 and their fates. One committed suicide and the other got US protection, so can't you understand the resentment behind this? You are just ignoring others people's point of view.
About Chinese oppression, I already said Chinese government is not perfect. Which country government is perfect when starting out? You think every gov't knows how to govern a country at the beginning? What about Americans oppression of native Americans and importing African slaves? What about US greatest lynching (as shown in my source) in Chinatown? You don't flinch at this inhumanity?
Gutmann just exaggerates 10,000 transplants a year to 100,000, and you just believe what he says? If its accepted in "court," then why don't you get support from the court to proceed? Look at the number of organ transplants around in the world and it is about 126,000 so how can China perform 100,000 transplants in a year? Do our hospitals have enough organ doctors to perform as much as the rest of the world to reach such a figure?
Like I said, if you believe Falun Gong organ harvesting is still ongoing, then why doesn't President Trump or Vladir Putin, or Chancellor Merkel or other world leaders ever raise up the issue to President Xi? Right now, UN is interested in Rohigya crisis in Burma, so isn't that more pressing human rights issue?
You despise Chinese anti-corruption campaign, when Trump doesn't even jail Clinton for corruption? What about Trump not releasing his tax details? What about ongoing FBI investigations into President Trump's election? Why have they been stopped? Why don't you fix your own country's problems, instead of looking down on Chinese attempts to crackdown on corruption?
Weren't you the one brought up Chinese movies depict Japanese as the devil? What about American WW2 war videos and games depicting Germans as evil?
What makes you think all Japanese people expose to the true history and know it, if the revised textbooks still exist? Those textbooks will influence young generation of Japanese kids to grow up without knowing true extent of Japanese atrocities, so again, why do you continue to invent excuses their actions?
Your form of criticism is to hurl insults and abusive language like "tw@t" and "go F yourself". How is this actual logical criticism? You criticize Chinese as bigot for our belief in karma, but excuse Japanese worshiping Class-A war criminals? One is natural disaster whereas other was man-made war, so why are you labeling Chinese as bigots while making excuses for Japanese? Chinese people died at hands of Japanese, but Japanese died by tsunami, not Chinese, so why are Chinese bigoted and Japanese aren't? It is obvious that you harbor prejudice against everything Chinese do, while making excuses for Japanese war crimes.
I don't mock or insult you for your beliefs, unlike what you do to me. I even question why you as American, try so hard to stick up for Japan and its atrocities. Because MacArthur defended Japan. Why you find nothing wrong with Japanese worshiping Class A war criminals, but label Chinese bigots for our belief in Karma? If you claim I am begging you to stop, then who is the one posting "I am finished with you" or "This is the last time I'm replying" Like I said, why do you do so much for Japan, yet claim to not be defending them? If you weren't defending them, then we wouldn't be having this discussion, wouldn't you agree?
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+Rhyan Jill Baytos So if "flip" is ethnic slur against Filipinos according to your sources, then why are you people even supporting it at all, and using it in advertisements and company names? "Flip" is what non-Filipino racists use to mock your people, and not normally what Filipinos use to refer to your own race. Pinoy is more neutral.
Pinoy could potentially be a slur, but like you said, it is generally perceived as more positive than "flip". Flip has many potentially negative connotations behind it, such as "flippant" and so on, which is probably why it is not accepted as much.
You call me stubborn and not knowing anything about your country, but I based my source off Wikipedia and in the website's actual content, (not simply the title of a citation) it does not mention even once that Filipinos use "flip" to refer to themselves. What you shown me so far, is that "flip" is a racial slur, but not that Filipinos use it to refer to themselves.
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+Rhyan Jill Baytos So because "flip" is only used by Filipino American youth, so does that mean Filipinos living elsewhere in the world recognize that term? You already shown many times that it is often regarded as racial slur, which could be one reason why it is not popular or in use.
My Wikipedia source still shows there is no mention of "flip" being used by Filipinos to refer to themselves. (Flip is only mentioned in the citation as a title) whereas pinoy is more commonly known. It should be noted that Filipino Americans do not necessarily represent every Filipino, the same way African Americans are not Africans like Nigerians, Somalians, Kenyans, etc, whom are born in Africa.
The word "flip" was invented in America after all, just like N-word, (and also "Jap" after WW2) so again, how can you people claim people born in Philippines, Africa and Japan even use such words to refer to themselves?
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+Rhyan Jill Baytos If you claim I am childish, then why is it you can't find any reliable source depicting actual Filipino people referring to themselves as "flip"? You really think urbandictionary is reliable for the definition of "flip"? Also you choose to look down on my Wikipedia source, when you are unable to prove it wrong, and instead claim that I should admit to being wrong? Which part of my Wikipedia article is factually wrong, that I must admit to it?
Even if I confirm that you are Filipino through twitter and facebook, that still only represents 1 person claiming that Filipinos refer to themselves as "flip", whereas all sources you shown do not explicitly state that real Filipinos do. Only Filipino Americans do, and some of these Filipino Americans are technically "half-Filipino".
I mean, if you claim I am being childish, then why can't you simply produce actual evidence that real Filipinos refer to themselves as "flip", not some Filipino American who thinks he can speak for all Filipinos? Why not find some actual dictionary or proof that Filipinos call themselves by this racial slur and prove me wrong?
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+Rhyan Jill Baytos You appear to be Filipino American (or at least, not fully Filipino), since you claim I won't believe you even if you grew up and lived all your life in the Philippines, which implies that you didn't. So doesn't it already shown that you are not true Filipino, just like African Americans aren't true Africans like Nigerians, Kenyans, etc?
You shown that "flip" is invented in America, so doesn't that explain why you (as Filipino American) personally think "all Filipinos refer to themselves using flip?" But my Wikipedia source already shows that this fact isn't true. At the very least, only Filipino Americans continue to refer to themselves by this racial slur, just like African Americans use N-word on themselves, not Somalians, Nigerians, etc. All you shown so far is that Filipino Americans use "flip" but not that Filipinos generally refer to themselves as such.
"Flips Flipping Pages" could so mean he is using 'flip" twice to emphasis on the action, not that "Flips" refer to "Filipino". Is the author of the blog a true Filipino, or Filipino American or from other countries?
If in Wikipedia, the definition of "Filipinos refer to themselves as flip" doesn't work, it sinks to the bottom, meaning that majority do no support this decision. So why am I wrong here?
+Captain Midnight Who is the one claiming Chinese people are obnoxious and bigoted, whereas I am not basing that all Filipinos call themselves by the ethnic slur "flip" based on what a single Filipino said? Who is the one making up excuses for Japanese people worshiping Class-A criminals enshrined in Yasukuni, while calling Chinese people "bigots" for believing in karma? You are obviously prejudiced against Chinese people, while sticking up and making excuses for Japanese atrocities (despite claiming not to) Who would expend so much energy conjuring articles to excuse Japanese warcrimes, but then claim not to be defending Japanese atrocities, and instead, claim to care about America?
Why do you as American care so much about Japan and China anyway? The Yasukuni visits and revised textbooks are bilateral issues between China and Korea with Japan. Why is it you find nothing wrong with Japanese worshipping Class-A criminals for actual crimes committed at their hands, while labeling Chinese people bigots for believing in karma, when the tsunami was not China's doing?
If you still think Falun Gong atrocities are happening, because Gutmann grossly exaggerates the figure of 10,000 transplants in China in a single year, to his own figure of 100,000 transplants, then why don't President Trump or other world leaders confront President Xi on these figures directly? I already shown people who disputed the Gutmann's exaggerated figure, such as organ experts Jose Ramon Nunez Pena, medical officer of the World Health Organization, and Michael Millis, vice-chairman for global surgery and director at the University of Chicago's School of Medicine Transplant Center, who dismissed the allegations as implausible. Here is the source again if you want to read about it.
WHO Organ expert said the claimed number is equal to the transplant activity of the entire world and is practically impossible chinadaily.com.cn/china/2016-08/19/content_26531057.htm
You abuse vulgarities such as "tw@t" against me and call Chinese people obnoxious and bigoted, but I don't insult you or make derogatory remarks about you, just because your views differ from mine. And since when did I even said anything "racist" towards Japanese? My views are based on their "actions" like such as enshrining Class A war criminals and revising their textbooks, not the "race".
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+Rhyan Jill Baytos If you think I am somehow wrong in my assumptions, then why not explain why "flip" is not even mentioned in Wikipedia at all (except only in citation, and as a title only) instead of just claiming it is incomplete? You claim Wikipedia is incomplete, because it omitted "flip", but you already shown that "flip" is ethnic slur so why is Wikipedia wrong for not including it?
You already shown that "flip" is a term invented in America and used colloquially by Filipino Americans. So how does Filipino Americans refer to all Filipinos all over the world? The N-word for African Americans was invented in America, and used by African Americans today, but is it used by Nigerians, Kenyans, Somalians, etc? Of course not. So in the same way, why do you claim true Filipinos use this racial slur to refer to themselves, when it is not true, as shown in Wikipedia?
Urbandictonary has its own way of defining things, and so does Wikipedia. So why assume Wikipedia is incomplete, simply because it does not have what is mentioned in Urbandictonary? What makes Urbandictionary any better than Wikipedia, such that is is more complete than Wikipedia?
In "Flips Flipping Pages" they talk about things like Halloween, Star Wars, and other things usually associated with America, so isn't it possible that these people are Filipino Americans? As you shown, "flips" is used by Filipino Americans to refer to themselves, but it does not mean that Filipinos all over the world accept the racial slur. Otherwise, wouldn't it be reflected in sources such as Wikipedia?
+Captain Midnight FlipScience is online news source (meaning that is is mobile) and not necessary meaning that it is based in Philippines. Like it said, the love for science and for knowledge is in a dire state in Philippines (said by FlipScience, not me) so isn't that why they create this online portal in the first place, when their country is uninterested in science?
Those shops located in Manila have the world "flip" in their title, so it automatically means they are referring to Filipinos calling themselves by "flip"? So if a sandal shop in Manila called itself "The Flip Flop Shop" does it means that the "flip" in its title refers to Filipinos? "Flip" is just a word, and it has many, many definitions of its own, so how do you know that it is referring to the exact definition you people want it to refer to?
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+Rhyan Jill Baytos So why would Wikipedia cite an article containing "flip" but not used it in its definition? The people who edit Wikipedia and cited the article probably read the article but decided that it wasn't representative of the Filipino population as a whole. Why you claim because simply because it omitted "flip" that Wikipedia is incomplete? You mean they cite an article containing "flip" but they choose to omitted it from the whole page? Its obviously because "flip" is a racial slur and that's why no one wants to include "flip" on the Wikipedia page. Otherwise, why cite the article but not use the term?
You claim this article is originally taken from Wikipedia, but if the article doesn't exist anymore, that means that the editors at Wikipedia realized it was untrue or at least not reflective of what Filipinos feel about themselves. You mean, it once existed, and was removed from Wikipedia, suddenly means Wikipedia is incomplete? Why was it taken down? Probably because Filipinos referring to themselves as "flip" is either inaccurate or untrue, or that most Filipinos don't want to be called by racist slur.
Urbandictionary is informal, so again, how can it be more reliable than Wikipedia, which is stricter? In Urbandictionary, "anyone" can like it, including non-Filipinos, so how can you prove "flip" is actually how Filipinos refer to themselves? What if mischievous non-Filipinos "like" the definition, so that it wrongly propagates the false notion that Filipinos refer to themselves by this racial slur? So many silly words exist in Urbandictionary (including the hoards of bizarre sexual terms, lingo and positions) probably made up and not true, except by naughty teenagers who like them to support its definition, and still, you believe it?
You Wikipilipinas article clearly states that the term is used by Filipino Americans, so are you now contradicting what you claim? There is even a journalist and activist Alex Fabros, Sr. (1903–1999) who claimed the term was first used among Filipinos sometime after his immigration to the United States in 1929, so how did it originate in US bases in the Philippines? Are you now contradicting what you said?
Things like Halloween were only introduced to Philippines, because Philippines was once an American colony. So how can you actually prove that these people are all true Filipinos, when some of them may be Filipino Americans? Its from a blog, so it usually concerns a close group of people, which could be Filipino Americans judging by their preference of English over Tagalog. Such a blog is not representative of the entire Filipino population, especially the ones living in Philippines.
Also, why is there a need to copy my text and repeat it in your posts? All you are doing it making it even harder for me to distinguish between which portion is being said by you and which is by mine. Are you just intentionally trying to make your posts longer to appear more scientific?
+Captain Midnight About Clive Hamilton's Silent Invasion book, it is stated that he is against publishing the book because of potential "suing for defamation" action by Chinese government. Which part of what Chinese government is doing is illegal here? If the author slanders or makes up lies about Chinese government, then under Australian laws, Chinese government can legally sue the author for slander. If what the author says is the truth and nothing but the truth, then what has he to fear from being sued for defamation? He is speaking what he claims to be the truth, so why is he afraid of telling "lies" and being sued for it?
Chinese government is not altogether forbidding Australian government from publishing the book if it wanted to, and its not like China will suddenly declare war with Australia over this book. China is approaching this situation through legal recourse, by suing for defamation under Australian laws, if what the book claims is untrue, so how would China be breaking the law here? Just because the book is by respected Australian professor, means it's immune to being sued?
Source smh.com.au/national/free-speech-fears-after-book-critical-of-china-is-pulled-from-publication-20171112-gzjiyr.html
China Uncensored is a notoriously biased source, that is prejudiced against Chinese government and will always include a slant against China in all of its videos. It will only mention the bad issues but not the good issues, and will always paint Chinese government actions in negative light regardless. I bet CU was how you first came to know of Falun Gong "organ harvesting" in the first place. Also, was CU the source who told you Chinese movies only portray Japanese as the devil? They show some videos of Chinese war movies (without actually telling you the title) and claim that all Chinese portrayal of Japanese are like this? Why don't they show Chinese movies where some Japanese have also been portrayed ordinarily or as honorable characters, like in Jet Li's Huo Yuanjia (霍元甲)?
Also, even if you disbelieve all my Chinese sources, then what about my previous sources showing the statistic regarding total number of organ transplants in the world was 128,000 in 2015, and Gutmann grossly exaggerating that 100,000 transplants occurred every year in China, instead of 10,000 transplants? Does China have as many transplant doctors necessary to perform transplants to meet such a drastic figure as the transplant doctors from the rest of the world put together?
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+Rhyan Jill Baytos The article was only cited because it contains references to Filipinos referring to themselves as "pinoy" which is used in the Wikipedia article. However, Wikipedia did not write to include "flip" as Filipino referring to themselves.
You have already proved that "flip" is racial slur in one of your earlier articles ( en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ethnic_slurs#F ) isn't it? So why is it wrong to assume that it was deleted from Wikipedia, because Filipinos did not want to call themselves by such a racial slur?
Again you resort to copying my text and dissecting it again and again. Why do you do this? You are making it difficult to differentiate which text is written by me, and which is yours.
You didn't actually say anything about Urbandictionary that makes it more reliable than Wikipedia. I mean, just browse through Urbandictionary, and every other word is referring to sexual slang, lingo, positions, etc. Aren't most of them just made up, probably by kids with nothing better to do? Wikipedia is also not entirely reliable, but many people would still prefer Wikipedia over something like Urbandictionary, because of its sources.
If "flips" originates because of anti-Filipino sentiment during WW2, then why has it been adopted by Filipino Americans then? The term was obviously born in America, not the Philippines. Just like the N-word for African Americans is not used by true Africans like Kenyans, Somalians, Nigerians, etc. Like you said, only Filipino Americans use the term "flip" to refer to themselves, but not all Filipinos, since it is racial slur, as shown in Wikipedia.
I mean, if you really claim that Filipinos do refer to themselves as "flip" then why isn't this reflected in Wikipedia? Because you can't prove it, therefore you claim that it is incomplete? Although Wikipedia unreliable, Urbandictionary is even more unreliable, and also, the term "flip" could be voted up by the Filipino Americans, but not all Filipinos. You have shown "flip" to be a racial slur, and that could account for one reason why Filipinos do not recognize the term to refer to themselves. "Flip" has so many definitions, so again, how can you be exactly sure which definition of "flip" is being used each time?
For example, FlipScience logo has the word "science" with the letters inverted/flipped backwards, so it could be that "flip" refers to this. How do you know which exactly definition of "flip" is being used?
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Why are we suddenly talking about Filipinos when the original topic is about China and Japan in the first place? For all your talk, you failed to explain why Wikipedia does not show Filipinos referring to themselves as "flip". You claim I am trying to look correct, when you can't even prove Wikipedia wrong? Why can't I use Wikipedia instead of listening to what some stranger online who claims to be Filipino says?
The original topic is about Japan and China isn't it? All I did was mention Unit 731 warcrimes and then suddenly everyone seems to jump to Japan's defense. You have seen the horrible atrocities they committed, yet why are you people continuing to stick up for them? If you bring up old and new generation again, I already said the old generation like Hirohito despises the younger generation Japanese politicians visit to Yasukuni shrine, so why can't I blame the young generation then?
What about the doctored historical textbooks used by Japan to downplay their atrocities of Rape of Nanjing, Unit 731 and "comfort" women? These books will go on to influence a new generation of Japanese schoolkids to grow up without learning the true Japanese atrocities. In Germany, it is illegal NOT to mention Hitler and Nazism, and to downplay their atrocities, so why is Japan allowed to get away with this?
You claim Yasukuni shrine visit is trivial, but even Koreans protest against Japanese politician visit as well. South Korean grannies who were "comfort" women victims also protest outside Japanese embassy because in Japanese textbooks "comfort" women were well-paid prostitutes by the government. It is very likely these elderly women will die, being remembered as government prostitutes by Japanese students.
Why you people believe its okay for Japanese to enshrine Class-A warcriminals and worship them for actual crimes that took place, but it isn't okay for Chinese to believe in karma from an act of nature creating the tsunami that swept across Japan? One was man-made and the other was act of nature. If you believe that they aren't linked, then why are you calling Chinese people bigots for our belief in karma? To you, they aren't linked isn't it?
You claim I am racist but what racist remarks did I make about Japanese? Can you quote any "racist" remarks I made about Japanese, blaming them for their "race" and not for their "actions"? Once again, I blame them for their "actions" and I didn't attribute any derogatory remark to Japanese "race". What about you people claiming Chinese people are rude, obnoxious and bigoted here?
Lastly, I am not the one resorting to abusive language against you people for your views. But you people continue to insult me and call me "tw@t" and "go F yourself" and so on, simply because my views differ from yours, and resort to attacking me personally instead of attacking my points logically.
China is not perfect (as I said many times) and many of you people despise Chinese people, our country, our government, our belief in karma, while appearing to support Japanese warcrimes, their worshiping beliefs, their government's actions, even those of younger generation. But modern China was built by hard work of Chinese people's efforts after post-WW2 whereas Japan had help from America to get to where it is today.
After WW2, Japan, China and Korea were in ruins, but America protected the aggressor country (Japan) from retaliation by its victims (China, Korea, etc) and invested much money into developing Japanese economy. Japan was demilitarized and protected by US presence instead, whereas every other country in the region (including China) had to allocate money to a defense budget to protect our countries. But Japan didn't have to spend on defense, so it poured the money for defense into developing its economy instead.
Otherwise, why is it few years after WW2, Japan had soared to become the most advanced East Asian country ahead of China and Korea? It had help from America, who protected it and developed it. I still don't understand why you people continue to defend the aggressor country of WW2. Is it because you people are Americans and American allies, that you can overlook Japanese warcrimes?
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+Rhyan Jill Baytos Firstly, this thread was initially about China and Japan, but you have hijacked it to talk about Filipinos. I was talking to someone about China and Japan, and mentioned Filipinos in a statement, and suddenly you jumped claim that I am not correct, when I quoted Wikipedia as my source. Since you can't seem to prove Wikipedia wrong, then why am I wrong in my assumptions then? I have shown my source for my assumptions.
Wikipilipinas cites its source material from Wikipedia, so why is Wikipilipinas correct, and Wikipedia wrong? You are being biased and illogical in justifying Wikipilipinas over Wikipedia.
Who is allowed to vote in Urbandictionary? Anyone can vote in Urbandictionary, including non-Filipinos, so why is Urbandictionary representative of what Filipinos think of themselves over Wikipedia?
The brand names could have different meanings, and I already shown FlipScience has the letters of "Science" inverted backwards, but again you refuse to accept any one of my definitions, despite them being fairly obvious. So how are you going to accept my proofs then?
Also, why are you accusing me of being paid troll or from 50 cent army? For expressing my view? If I was really like that I would have resorted to vulgar language and abusive remarks, but again, I don't do that, just because your views differ from mine. Some other people like Captain Midnight have used derogatory terms against me, so why aren't you accusing them of being trolls, instead of me?
If I am free to believe what I want, then why are you the one constantly trying to distract me from this discussion about China and Japan? I didn't butt into your conversation, you interjected into my discussion when the original topic is about China and Japan.
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I have already given my explanation regarding FlipScience but once again, your people refuse to accept it, so it is your choice. I have shown evidence in Wikipedia, that Filipinos do not refer to themselves as "flip" and that "flip" is only mentioned in a title in the wiki's citation that's all. You people incessantly claim that I am not right here, but you can't even prove Wikipedia wrong or incomplete or whatever? "Flip" has so many other meanings, and in FlipScience it could also represent the creator's desires to "flip" the existing lack of interest in Philippines to create a society more conducive to science. But does it mean that Filipinos refer to themselves as "flip"? Where does the page even show Filipinos referring to themselves as "flip"? All the website shows is that they want to reverse the scientific situation in Philippines that's all.
You have other sources, but your already shown that Wikipilipinas cites from Wikipedia, so why is Wikipilipinas correct (or complete or whatever) while Wikipedia is wrong (or incomplete, etc)? You are just trying to confuse people with terminology instead of addressing the point directly in the first place.
As for Urbandictionary, its already known that anybody can vote to raise these terms, including non-Filipinos so how can you still claim that Filipinos refer to themselves by "flip" then? You consistently deny my Wikipedia source, but biasedly promote your Urbandictonary source? Why do you you harbor unfair double standards with regards to different sources?
I don't understand why is it you claim Wikipedia is incorrect or incomplete, but somehow expect me to substantiate my claims about Wikipedia. Why should I do this? Aren't you the one claiming Wikipedia is incomplete here, not me? Lets go back to the beginning, where I made a short statement about Filipinos not referring to themselves as "flip". It is you who interjected, and when I showed Wikipedia as my source, you claim "flip" is in the citations, but when I claim "flip" is not in the main content, you started calling Wikipedia incorrect or incomplete.
So why am I the one suddenly having to explain Wikipedia's incorrect/incompleteness here? You are the one being unable to prove the source which I cited my reference from as wrong/incomplete, not me. You are just biased twisting my logic and attempting to confuse other people that's all here.
Like I said, the original topic is about Japan and China, not Philippines. I did mentioned Philippines and Filipinos a number of times, but I mostly remained on topic, but you people just claim that I am not right, but are unable to refute my Wikipedia source at all, so why do you claim I am not right?
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I have stood by my arguments, unlike you people who resort to abusive language and derogatory terms, attacking me instead of attacking my points. I have made numerous explanations regarding FlipScience but you people consistently rejected all of my explanations whatsoever, and insisted on your own claims. Where in the FlipScience website does it even say that the "Flip" in "FlipScience" is what Filipinos used to refer to themselves? The whole website talks about improving the state of scientific education in Philippines that's all, so why are you mocking my explanations, when you have nothing to show for your own explanation of FlipScience?
I used Wikipedia as my platform for my views, but you people claim I am not right, but can't even prove my source wrong/incomplete. You claim Wikipedia is incomplete, because Wikipillipinas has "flip" but then again, Wikipillipinas cites its article from Wikipedia which no longer exists. So again, how have you successfully proven that Wikipedia is incomplete, when Wikipillipinas cites directly from Wikipedia? Your own source cites from Wikipedia, but you still claim Wikipedia is incomplete? You are applying unfair double standards for your own sources as compared to mine. Many other people believe in Wikipedia sources, so why are you people ridiculing me for quoting Wikipedia as a source? Can you actually prove that it is wrong/incomplete in the first place?
As for the whole difference between "incorrect" and "incomplete" issue, I have never said my English is absolutely perfect, so why are you people resorting to attacking my imperfect English instead of attacking my points? My English is poor, but many other people in this thread also have poor English, but I don't stoop to your low level of attacking other people's use of the language and abusing derogatory terms against them. Why are you attacking me for my language skills instead of using logic to address my points? Do I impose my level of language comprehension against you people?
For Urbandictionary, we are trying to prove the original point that Filipinos refer to themselves as "flip". Since anyone can vote in Urbandictionary, including non-Filipinos then how is it reliable as a source at all to show that Filipinos refer to themselves as "flip", if the people who are voting could possibly be non-Filipinos themselves? Can't you see your own illogical biased here towards your own sources as compared to mine? I still don't understand why you think Urbandictionary is more reliable than Wikipedia, when Urbandictionary functions by random people voting, whereas Wikipedia has strict guidelines with regards to its sources, as you have shown.
Once again, why is it I have to prove my assumptions about Wikipedia is incomplete? Did I made the accusation that Wikipedia is incomplete? No, you did. You mean deleting an citation, automatically means Wikipedia is incomplete? How? You are the one making unreasonable demands out of me all the time, and expecting me to comply with you. Do I make such demands out of you? No and I don't mock you people because your views happen to differ from mine. You claim you don't care what I think, then why are you posting so many posts about my views on Philippines? I accept it when you and your grandparents don't care about WW2, so why are you constantly claiming I am not right, when you can't even prove my source wrong?
Also, isn't the original issue about China and Japan, not Philippines? If you people accuse me of being a 50 cent troll, then why aren't I spamming posts for money then? Why is a 50 cent posting about Philippines instead of China? You people accuse me of being 50 cent without even applying your own logic to this discussion, and you people are the ones using abusive language like "tw@t" and "go F yourself" and even making fun of my name, Shenzhou. Do I make fun of your names or abuse vulgar expletives against you people, because your views happen to differ from mine?
I mean, if you people don't care about how I view Philippines, then why are you spamming posts about Philippines then? I have stated my stance using Wikipedia as my source, so exactly what am I doing wrong here?
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You people constantly accuse me of being Chinese 50 cent troll, when currently this is topic is more towards Philippines? What sort of twisted logic are you using to support your accusation of me being a 50 cent troll in the first place? I don't abuse vulgar language against you people, like what Captain Midnight is doing, simply because our views are different. Even if I disagree with you, I don't resort to abusive language like those trolls like Captain Midnight. Why don't you accuse him of being a troll then for his abusive language? What about you who keep on derailing this topic by bringing in Philippines?
You keep on rejecting my all my explanations of FlipScience then what do you expect me to do? I at least offered numerous explanations, based on the website's content, whereas nowhere in FlipScience does it even say Filipinos refer to themselves as "flips" so can't you see your own prejudice in your logic? What's the point in giving more explanations about FlipScience when you people incessantly ridicule all my explanations, while being unable to give solid explanations of your own. Why then should I just accept your explanations then, when you have disregarded all of mine?
I already said that I made my views based on Wikipedia, so again, why do you keep claiming I am wrong, but still unable to prove my source wrong? Wikipedia, on the whole, is still a reliable source like it or not, and it probably has more accreditation than other dubious sources like Wikipilipinas or Urbandictionary. You continuously mock me quoting Wikipedia when many other people also use Wikipedia as their source for information? You gave your own sources, and I highlighted some flaw in those sources (which you continuously ignore) so how do you expect me to prove anything at all, when you refuse to accept anything I say?
Now you are claiming I am dishonest? How? I provided sources to support my claims, and even offered my own take towards sources you produced, but still you are labeling me dishonest here? How? Isn't it factually true that FlipScience logo has the letters of "Science" inverted, and that there is no explanation of Filipinos referring to themselves as "flip" in the website? Like I said, you people resort to attacking me personally, instead of attacking my points. I do not label you "dishonest" just because your views differ from mine, but you people use all manner of derogatory terms against me that's all. I don't even make fun of your people's English, because I have never claimed that my English is perfect so I don't stoop to your level of mocking other people's English. But you people are consistently mocking me for my use of English and making a whole issue of it.
If you claim Urbandictionary is informal, then it already goes to show that Filipinos referring to themselves as "flip" is at the most, informal, and that Filipinos will not do that formally. Otherwise, what are you trying to say here? You mean a group of random people voting up a term in Urbandictionary automatically means that this term is formally accepted, whereas in Wikipedia (which has stricter guidelines) does not recognize the use of this term? You have already failed to show the original point of Filipinos use "flip" to refer to themselves using Urbandictionary, since random people can vote in Urbandictionary, so what is the basis for you using Urbandictionary as your source at all?
Now when did I even said that Wikipedia is incomplete at all? Why are you suddenly pinning me for claiming Wikipedia is incomplete, and expecting me to prove it? I don't have to prove anything about Wikipedia being incomplete or wrong or whatever, because I am not the one mocking my own source here. You are, so what on Earth are you expecting me to prove in the first place?
I don't understand why my defending China automatically means I am being morally abhorrent here. Who are the ones jumping to defend Japanese warcrimes in the first place? Who are the ones finding nothing wrong with Japanese worshiping Class-A warcriminals enshrined in Yasukuni, while labeling Chinese people who believe in karma as being bigots when the Tsunami hit Japan? You people obvious harbor prejudice against China, our people and government, and make racist remarks about Chinese by calling us obnoxious or bigoted based on race, whereas I have not said anything remotely "racist" about Japanese. I repeatedly stated that my remarks are based on "actions" not "race" but you people just keep on ignoring what I say. Otherwise, why don't highlight an example of me blaming the Japanese "race" instead of their "actions"?
Just under a week ago, on 13th December, many Chinese people paid respects to The Rape of Nanjing, where thousands of Chinese men were butchered by Japanese and Chinese women raped by Japanese soldiers and killed afterwards to silence them. Naked bodies are left exposed and mutilated. Women private parts were bayoneted or penetrated with sharp bamboo shafts. Young children were not spared too, and if they were too small, the Japanese soldiers cut them open in order to rape these kids to death. Pregnant women too, were targeted for murder, and their swollen bellies bayoneted, sometimes after rape, and the unborn fetus pulled out and stabbed. The Japanese soldiers forced victims to commit acts of incest among families, where sons raped mothers and fathers raped daughters
Nanking Massacre wikipedia.org/wiki/Nanking_Massacre
If you claim that I somehow lack an interest towards Philippines, then likewise, you people also lack an interest regarding China. I am not forcing you people to take an interest if you don't want to (since this issue is primarily between China and Japan) but if you want to criticize Chinese people mindset, then you should at least make an attempt to understand us before jumping to criticize us and defend Japanese warcrimes.But none of you people on this thread is even Japanese, so why are you constantly trying to stick up for Japan, and label me morally abhorrent?
Regarding Philippines, I have already repeatedly stated my stance and given my Wikipedia source for my statement, so why do I even need to elaborate further on my stance? You people can't even refute my source properly, yet you claim that I am not right here? I don't even mock you people or insult you for not agreeing with me, so why do you people resort to abusive language, just because my views differ from yours?
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+Rhyan Jill Baytos Why did you even mention 50 cent troll then, if you didn't say that I am? People from 50 cent army will be talking about Chinese government, not about Philippines now isn't it? Which part of my simple remark about Philippines reveals that I am from 50 cent army at all? You are just making up illogical accusations about me without any evidence whatsoever.
I have already given other explanations for FlipsFlippingPages etc but again, you completely reject any of my explanations, so again what's the point of continuing to pursue them? You simply refuse to consider any of my statements, and just dismiss them entirely, so how do you expect me to explain my point? In FlipsFlippingPages does the website even say anything about Filipinos referring to themselves as "flips"? You can't even prove such a simple point at all, yet constantly accuse me of being wrong and disregarding everything I said? Who is the one making up assumptions that he himself can't even prove?
Why don't you tell me exactly how you proved Wikipedia is incomplete? In Wikipilipinas, it cited an article from Wikipedia, which is now deleted, so how is Wikipilipinas even more reliable than Wikipedia now? You believe in your source Wikipilipinas, when it has to cite from Wikipedia in the first place? Can't you see how unfair you are being in your judgement of sources? Wikipedia has strict guidelines for its sources, but does Wikipilipinas have such strict guidelines? Why then do you accept Wikipilipinas over Wikipedia?
I am not the one labeling you dishonest, unlike what you keep doing to me. I do not mock your English or anything, unlike what you keep doing to me. You have shown to be interested in attacking me personally instead of attacking my points. Just because my English is not good, so it gives you the reason to ridicule my language skills instead? Which part of FlipScience having its letters in "Science" inverted is factually wrong? Why can't you pick out the part that says "Filipinos refer to themselves as flip" in the FlipScience website? Yet you still accuse me of being dishonest?
Urbandictionary being informal already places it in a position much lower than that of Wikipedia. I mean, even in Wikipedia, it is mentioned that Filipinos use "pinoy" to refer to themselves, but nothing about using "flip" to refer to themselves. "Flip" is only mentioned in the citation as a title, but otherwise, nowhere does it say Filipinos use "flip". So doesn't that mean that "pinoy" is formally accepted, whereas "flip" isn't, by your definition of what is formal? If that is the case, then how is my very first and original statement wrong? I made that remark some time ago, using Wikipedia as a source, and it still stands formally today isn't it? Why is it you claim "informal" sources like Urbandictionary are more reliable, while "formal" sources like Wikipedia isn't? Are you really blind to your obvious prejudice against these two sources? You accepting informal, while ignoring formal?
I have never said Wikipedia is incomplete in any way, so again, why is there suddenly a need for me to prove anything now? Like I said before, you are the one first claim Wikipedia is incomplete, so why are you dragging me into this, when you are the one first made such a claim in the first place? I don't understand why you think I want to prove such thing. How doe proving Wikipedia wrong/incomplete help in my argument at all? Why should I do that? Wikipedia is my source from which I acquired my current stance, isn't it?
Who is qualified to judge whether something is morally abhorrent or not? Morality is defined differently by different people in different countries, so how is it you can just judge people like that? I don't judge you or your grandfather and grandmother if you choose to ignore Japanese WW2 atrocities altogether, unlike what you done to me. Do you even attempt to understand Chinese people's feelings and mindset before judging straightaway? No, so why call me morally abhorrent then, just for stating my own views?
Going round in circles? Excuse me, but I have been offering numerous different explanations regarding various topics about FlipScience and so on, but you people have rejected everything I say, labeling me "dishonest" and other terms. And you people keep on insisting that Filipinos refer to themselves as "flip" when such a statement is not entirely present in your sources at all. So who is repeating himself in a circle here? You people refuse to talk about Japan and China at all (which is the original topic) but instead prefer to talk about some term Filipinos claim to call themselves by, without any concrete proof whatsoever. Since you lack a specific concrete proof yourselves, then how can you still claim that I am not right here?
Nobody is forcing you people to post here if you don't want to. People like Captain Midnight keep on claiming this will be your last post, that you don't care about what I believe, and I can believe what I want, so who is stopping you from posting or not posting? Like you, I don't care if this is your last post or not. All I did, was make a simple remark about Filipinos, but it was you people that choose to comment on that remark. My original stance still remains, as supported by the source accompanying it.
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Max Headroom If we are talking about pollution then yes, China has the problem of pollution, but it was because our country industrialised much later than the West. Western countries have been polluting the Earth for 200-300 years since the Industrial Revolution first started in 1700-1800s. As for China, we only began industrialisation 30 years ago as compared to the West. Chinese government also making efforts to clean up the environment in China, but it will take time to truly observe the effects.
Take London for example. 50 years ago, the river Thames was so heavily polluted that it was considered biologically dead. London also had bad air quality, and there was even a Great Smog of London in 1951. Looking at London today, you won't have believed that it was so heavily polluted back then. In the same way, Chinese government is also taking steps to reduce air pollution by banning coal fired power plants, which burn dirty and produce smog. But of course it will take time to reap the benefits, and China is doing all of this in decades, compared to the West taking centuries to actually clean up their countries
China halts over 100 coal power projects reuters.com/article/us-china-coal-idUSKBN151090
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@hansihobr Let me write some pro-CCP comments and see if they are worth the shillings.
Although th Chinese Communist Party is not perfect (then again, which government body is?) but despite its initial failures and setbacks, under its leadership, China's population actually doubled, our lifespans doubled, our literacy rates doubled and our poverty rates plummeted.
Life Expectancy at Birth in China, Europe, USA and India china-profile.com/data/fig_WPP2010_L0_Boths.htm
China was once a dirt poor, war torn, illiterate, starving country similar to India (world's largest democracy) in the past but today, China is world's 2nd largest economy, the manufacturing hub of the world, a rapidly growing scientific nation, protected by world's largest land military, the People's Liberation Army, funded by world's 2nd largest military expenditure.
Video: China - Hell March - the Largest Army in the world youtube.com/watch?v=5Xuqa1xKxOs
All achieved under the CCP leadership. So how much is this comment worth?
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@hansihobr Here are some more pro-CCP comments:
China is home to two of world's fastest supercomputers, the Sunway Taihulight 神威·太湖之光, and Tianhe-2 天河-2 and in the 2017 Top500 supercomputer survey, China beat USA with 202 out of 500 of the world's fastest supercomputers, compared to USA's 144 out of 500.
Source: China's supercomputers race past US to world dominance cnet.com/news/china-surpasses-us-in-supercomputer-usage-on-top-500-list/
Supercomputers play an important role in research, and are used for computationally intensive tasks in various fields, such as quantum mechanics, weather forecasting, climate research, oil and gas exploration, molecular modeling (computing the structures and properties of chemical compounds, biological macromolecules, polymers, and crystals), and physical simulations (such as simulations of the early moments of the universe, airplane and spacecraft aerodynamics, the detonation of nuclear weapons, and nuclear fusion).
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@apophisxo4480 Under Chinese marriage laws, you are NOT granted automatically granted Chinese citizenship just because you married a Chinese national.
You should also remember that even though your country recognises your overseas marriage, it typically does not provide an automatic right for your spouse to enter your country: that is normally subject to a separate application and far from certain to be approved. In the same way a foreigner has no automatic right to live in China because he or she has married a Chinese.
Source: Marriage Registration in China travelchinaguide.com/embassy/visa/marriage-registration.htm
That should be the way immigration laws should be, in my opinion. I mean, look at US immigration laws and virtually anyone who has a family member who is US citizen, is eligible to apply for US citizenship himself/herself. That's why US get flooded by illegal immigrants, because foreigners like Mexicans, Asians and Muslims are marrying Americans for citizenship and then bringing their whole families over to USA.
And who says you can't work in China if you are not married? So many foreigners work in China even when they are married to locals, so what exactly are you talking about? And how exactly do serpentza and laowhy contribute to society? Look at serpentza's wife working long hard hours as doctor to support her family, while her hubby goes biking across China and presumably abandoning her for weeks on end. Either that or serpentza hangs around with other expats and drinks alcohol on camera while complaining about China to his subscribers. How is that contributing to China? We don't need such people like serpentza living here in China!
How exactly does serpentza and laowhy love China? Just look at their faces and behaviour and you can tell that they don't mean what they say when they say they love China! I mean, they always tend to blame the environment, blame the people, blame the government, etc for all their problems! Not once have they attempted to blame themselves. It's like they have some sort of "white privilege" and they expect China to cater for their needs instead of them assimilating into China.
If you claimed you can say the N-word in USA against certain people, then I can also say you can call Chinese people "Winnie the Pooh" if you want. But if you say it to the President Xi's face then its possible that you will be arrested. So why the double standards between USA and China? Every country has some things that are not allowed to be said. For example, in countries like Austria and Germany, depictions of the Nazi flag and swastika are illegal if used outside of historic purposes.
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