Comments by "神州 Shenzhou" (@Shenzhou.) on "CCTV Video News Agency"
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+EvolutionismAnti-Science Lie Bombarding me with walls and walls of text in both Chinese and English is not going help your argument and is only giving me a big headache. But I'll try to respond to each point, using only one language.
-Big Bang theory only appears to violate both conservation of energy and mass *ONLY* if you assume the system was empty of energy and mass before the Big Bang. What was it like before the Big Bang? If there was energy and mass present, then those laws have not been violated. Remember that mass can be compressed into very, very small space (like neutron stars and black holes)
-Primordial Soup experiment is not to prove creation of bacteria, but mostly to show that under certain conditions, complex organic molecules (CH4, RNA, DNA etc) can be created from simple inorganic precursors (C, H, etc) Bacteria lifeforms were much more advanced, and formed *later* from those organic molecules (DNA). Cooking soup will of course, kill bacteria, but primordial soup experiment uses only short lightning arcs (simulate thunderstrikes), not constant heating like cooking, to create organic molecules, but not complex life like bacteria.
-Evolution does not work the way you mentioned. Evolving from simple organism to complex creature takes millions and millions of years. To see observe it in action, you will have to be immortal and to note *every feature* of the organism. There is proof of evolution in the form of embryos as human embryos have similarity to reptile, bird and other animal embryo. Humans are not special in anyway, otherwise why do we have tail bones? Why do we have wisdom teeth crammed into our small jaws, while Apes have big jaws that can fully accommodate all their teeth? We have evolved smaller jaw from apes due to cooking food making it tender so we have excess teeth remaining in our jaw.
There is alot of evolution theory evidence and I have no time to explain everything.
-Black and White baby twins. Indeed, there is recessive genes, which also explain why some people are born albinos or having blonde hair etc. Genetics and Race profiling are different fields and does not really relate to disproving evolution. It only shows that we are one human race.
-Adam and Eve example was very confusing, but I think you are saying they contain all the necessary genetic makeup for creating everybody in the world today through complex recessive genes processes and so on. But, new studies have shown that humans also contained Neanderthal DNA (with Chinese having some of the highest) so how do Neanderthals factor into this explanation? Neanderthals were apparently human enough to breed with us, so not everyone in the world is descended from Adam and Eve only. (I hope I am not confusing you here)
-Nazi and Japanese massacre of Jews and Chinese was not example of evolution, but *Fascism*, which is belief of superior race over others. Evolution would only have said to occur if Nazis and Japanese succeed in wiping out Jews and Chinese (a fifth of world population) off the face of the earth.
-Century of Humiliation is not so much as racial superiority, but because of factors like British wanting Chinese tea, and selling us opium. They wanted China's resources and a market for their goods, but what has that got to do with atheist disbelief in God or evolution? It was capitalism that triggered it.
-Indeed, Kong Fu Zi, Lao Zi and many people worshiped one God before creation of Qin Empire by Qin Shi Huang abolished most of their teachings. So we have been building out nation since Qin dynasty largely without belief in God, and has He punished us or affected us? Our wars to reunify China, and other Chinese history was because of our believe in ourselves and not because of God.
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+EvolutionismAnti-Science Lie Once again you are flooding me with a wall of text that only makes reading a pain and does not help argue your point effectively at all and is just giving me a migraine.
-Primordial Soup Yes, Bacteria life is much more complex than simple organic molecules. But the experiment's purpose is to show that it is possible to create SOME of the basic building blocks for life there. They may be toxic or incorrectly rotating, but they were created nevertheless. The experiment wasnt trying to create life (I agree, science hasn't entirely proven that yet), but it is still a very, very, very minuscule step in that direction. There are probably hundreds or thousands more of these little steps to take before we can fully prove the creation of life.
Your lighting strike fish pond example is just there to distract me. Of course there were no fishes in the pond before life itself was created. Primordial Soup experiment didn't even have already complex fish as raw input material, only whatever inorganic materials were present back then. I reiterate that the experiment was not trying to create fish out of the pond, but to create the building blocks needed for fish to eventually form out of the water.
-Evolution Millions of years is commonly used, because it is needed to balance out the highly improbable probabilities. Everything related to life and biology appears impossible at first because of the extremely unlikely probabilities, but if you use billions of years, then the chances are greatly increased. Its like multiplying very small chance (0.000......0000001) by a very big number (1.0 x 10^999) to increase the chances.
Me getting struck by lightning is not relating to the issue at hand. Lighting strikes are the input of energy into the system to create the extremely basic building blocks of life. These examples are just there to distract me is all and to curse upon me bad luck.
Hitting the Jackpot is all not done on the same day. Like I said, its a very long series of steps spanning years. Creationists always use this "create complex life out of nothing in a single day" to discredit evolutionists. I mean no disrepect, but even God needed dust (basic building blocks) to create man and to breath (input of energy) life into him.
A dog's intestine is already exceedingly complex, and his example is another creationist's "create something out of nothing" The theory of evolution has never stated anything complex to be created instantaneously.
-That embryo picture doesnt really prove anything. Modern science has also studied embryos and found many similarities between humans and animals. For example, all sexual reproductive organisms start from egg and sperm, and human embryos also had gills once, but developed different from fish. Things like ears developing from the connection to jawbone shows that mammals evolved from reptiles. Like snakes do not have any ears or hearing capability, but can use their lower jaws to feel vibrations in the earth. Our eyelids have a remnant of what used to be translucent skin seen in crocodiles. Like I said, there are many, many, many examples of evolution to mention in this post alone. Even religious leaders also subscribe to that believe, despite being religious people
-Vestigial, doesn't necessarily mean "useless" it simply means that the body can survive without it. For example, our tonsils (globe of flesh in the mouth) is not really related to evolution and we can survive without it. Same for tailbones, wisdom tooth and so on. I also had all four of mine taken out by the dentist. Actually the dinosaurs were all extinct long before the floods, so there is a myth of cavemen and dinosaurs interacting with each other. Big mammals like Elephants, Rhinos, Hippo etc would not have arisen if the herbivorous and carnivorous dinosaurs didnt go extinct. If dragons were dinosaurs, then what dinosaur did dragons resemble actually? Chinese dragon looks more like a snake or skink (snake-like lizard) than a dinosaur.
The fact that you believe our ancestors had bigger skulls, already shows some belief in evolution and that the skulls shrunk.
-if Neanderthals are humans then did God create them too? Why is there only Adam and Eve mentioned in bible then? Paleontologist have found numerous bones and some nearly complete skeletons of Neanderthals, which is why they can have realistic reconstructions. Lucy was a hominid, an early ancestor of humans. If Lucy and Nebraska man were frauds, what about Chinese Peking man and Java man and other hominids? Numerous other "hominids with names" were also found (Source: wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_human_evolution_fossils)
-I agree that China is probably more capitalistic now after Deng's reforms. So century of humiliation is caused by existence of China's own resources (tea, silk etc) was valuable to foreign powers. Japan invaded Manchuria because China has all the resources Japan never had. But, it was also caused by Fascism when Japanese saw themselves as superior to other Asians and my point was to simply show that Fascism is different from Evolution. Zheng He's voyages were grand and for trade, but it was more to showcase China's prestige than actual trade (capitalism). Zheng He's only took cargo of interest to him, like animals, giraffe etc instead of actually trading with the natives.
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+tk42missing Comparing China to American and British is like comparing apple to orange. Why assume that Chinese will follow in same footstep as those countries? Our mindset and Western mindsets are fundamentally different. For example, religion in the West tends to be absolutes; You are either Christian or Muslim and will wage Crusade of Jihad to wipe each other out. But in China, many different religions coexist relatively peacefully together. Chinese can choose to follow Taoism, Buddhism, even Islam and Christianity or even mixed religion. China is even expected to have the world's largest Christian population by 2025, despite being officially atheist.
Britain and American have reached such a state, because, in my own opinion, there is a lack of competition from other countries. Britain still has Germany to be its rival, but USA no longer has Soviet Union to keep it on its toes. NASA used to plan missions to the moon but has stopped for 40 years because of lack of funding, and also lack of Soviet competition. Hopefully China's recent moon landings will spur NASA back to plan more moon missions.
+EvolutionismAnti-Science Lie Its extremely difficult to debunk the theory of evolution, since it has already been well-established. But WW2 examples of what Japanese did to us, and what German Nazis did to Jews is not what evolution is about. That is Fascism, the belief of racial superiority over other races, not evolution. It is only become evolution in the sense, if Japanese succeeded in wiping us Chinese off the face of the planet or if the Nazis managed to do the same thing to Jews. Otherwise, it is not evolution.
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