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  21. The West's obsession with China's economic downfall has been ongoing for over 30 years. 1990. The Economist. China's economy has come to a halt 1996. The Economist. China's economy will face a hard landing 1998. The Economist: China's economy entering a dangerous period of sluggish growth 1999. Bank of Canada: Likelihood of a hard landing for the Chinese economy 2000. Chicago Tribune: China currency move nails hard landing risk coffin 2001. Wilbanks, Smith & Thomas: A hard landing in China 2002. Westchester University: China Anxiously Seeks a Soft Economic Landing 2003. New York Times: Banking crisis imperils China 2004. The Economist: The great fall of China? 2005. Nouriel Roubini: The Risk of a Hard Landing in China 2006. International Economy: Can China Achieve a Soft Landing? 2007. TIME: Is China's Economy Overheating? Can China avoid a hard landing? 2008. Forbes: Hard Landing In China? 2009. Fortune: China's hard landing. China must find a way to recover 2010: Nouriel Roubini: Hard landing coming in China 2011: Business Insider: A Chinese Hard Landing May Be Closer Than You Think 2012: American Interest: Dismal Economic News from China: A Hard Landing 2013: Zero Hedge: A Hard Landing In China 2014. CNBC: A hard landing in China 2015. Forbes: Congratulations, You Got Yourself A Chinese Hard Landing 2016. The Economist: Hard landing looms for China 2017. National Interest: Is China's Economy Going To Crash? 2018. The Daily Reckoning. China's Coming Financial Meltdown 2020. NYT. Coronavirus Could End China's Decades-Long Economic Growth Streak 2021. Bloomberg. Chinese economy risks deeper slowdown than markets realize 2022. Bloomberg China Surprise Data Could Spell R-e-c-e-s-s-i-o-n 2023. Bloomberg. No word should be off-limits to describe China's faltering economy ... Yet it's already 2024 and China's economy is still going strong.
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  24. 1990. The Economist. China's economy has come to a halt. 1996. The Economist. China's economy will face a hard landing. 1998. The Economist: China's economy entering a dangerous period of sluggish growth. 1999. Bank of Canada: Likelihood of a hard landing for the Chinese economy. 2000. Chicago Tribune: China currency move nails hard landing risk coffin. 2001. Wilbanks, Smith & Thomas: A hard landing in China. 2002. Westchester University: China Anxiously Seeks a Soft Economic Landing. 2003. New York Times: Banking crisis imperils China. 2004. The Economist: The great fall of China? 2005. Nouriel Roubini: The Risk of a Hard Landing in China. 2006. International Economy: Can China Achieve a Soft Landing? 2007. TIME: Is China's Economy Overheating? Can China avoid a hard landing? 2008. Forbes: Hard Landing In China? 2009. Fortune: China's hard landing. China must find a way to recover. 2010: Nouriel Roubini: Hard landing coming in China. 2011: Business Insider: A Chinese Hard Landing May Be Closer Than You Think. 2012: American Interest: Dismal Economic News from China: A Hard Landing. 2013: Zero Hedge: A Hard Landing In China. 2014. CNBC: A hard landing in China. 2015. Forbes: Congratulations, You Got Yourself A Chinese Hard Landing. 2016. The Economist: Hard landing looms for China. 2017. National Interest: Is China's Economy Going To Crash. 2018. The Daily Reckoning: China's Coming Financial Meltdown. 2019. BBC: China's Economic Slowdown: How worried should we be? 2020. New York Times: Coronavirus Could End China's Decades-Long Economic Growth Streak. 2021. Bloomberg: Chinese economy risks deeper slowdown than markets realize. 2022. Bloomberg: China Surprise Data Could Spell RECESSION. 2023. Bloomberg: No word should be off-limits to describe China's faltering economy. ... Yet it's already 2024 and China's economy is still going strong.
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  60. 1990. The Economist. China's economy has come to a halt. 1996. The Economist. China's economy will face a hard landing. 1998. The Economist: China's economy entering a dangerous period of sluggish growth. 1999. Bank of Canada: Likelihood of a hard landing for the Chinese economy. 2000. Chicago Tribune: China currency move nails hard landing risk coffin. 2001. Wilbanks, Smith & Thomas: A hard landing in China. 2002. Westchester University: China Anxiously Seeks a Soft Economic Landing 2003. New York Times: Banking crisis imperils China 2004. The Economist: The great fall of China? 2005. Nouriel Roubini: The Risk of a Hard Landing in China 2006. International Economy: Can China Achieve a Soft Landing? 2007. TIME: Is China's Economy Overheating? Can China avoid a hard landing? 2008. Forbes: Hard Landing In China? 2009. Fortune: China's hard landing. China must find a way to recover. 2010: Nouriel Roubini: Hard landing coming in China. 2011: Business Insider: A Chinese Hard Landing May Be Closer Than You Think 2012: American Interest: Dismal Economic News from China: A Hard Landing 2013: Zero Hedge: A Hard Landing In China 2014. CNBC: A hard landing in China. 2015. Forbes: Congratulations, You Got Yourself A Chinese Hard Landing. 2016. The Economist: Hard landing looms for China 2017. National Interest: Is China's Economy Going To Crash? 2018. CNN: Forget the trade war, China's economy has other big problems 2019. BBC: China's Economic Slowdown: How worried should we be? 2020. Economics Explained: The Scary Solution to the Chinese Debt Crisis 2021. Global Economics: Has China's Downfall Started? 2022. Bloomberg: China Surprise Data Could Spell Recession. 2023. Bloomberg: No word should be off-limits to describe China's faltering economy. ... Yet it's already 2024 and China's economy is still going strong.
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  83. Western journalists predictions about China (since 1990). 1990. The Economist: China's economy has come to a halt. 1996. The Economist: China's economy will face a hard landing. 1998. The Economist: China's economy entering a dangerous period of sluggish growth. 1999. Bank of Canada: Likelihood of a hard landing for the Chinese economy. 2000. Chicago Tribune: China currency move nails hard landing risk coffin. 2001. Wilbanks, Smith & Thomas: A hard landing in China. 2002. Westchester University: China Anxiously Seeks a Soft Economic Landing. 2003. New York Times: Banking crisis imperils China. 2004. The Economist: The great fall of China? 2005. Nouriel Roubini: The Risk of a Hard Landing in China. 2006. International Economy: Can China Achieve a Soft Landing? 2007. TIME: Is China's Economy Overheating? Can China avoid a hard landing? 2008. Forbes: Hard Landing In China? 2009. Fortune: China's hard landing. China must find a way to recover. 2010. Nouriel Roubini: Hard landing coming in China. 2011. Business Insider: A Chinese Hard Landing May Be Closer Than You Think. 2012: American Interest: Dismal Economic News from China: A Hard Landing. 2013. Zero Hedge: A Hard Landing In China. 2014. CNBC: A hard landing in China. 2015. Forbes: Congratulations, You Got Yourself A Chinese Hard Landing. 2016. The Economist: Hard landing looms for China. 2017. National Interest: Is China's Economy Going To Crash. 2018. The Daily Reckoning: China's Coming Financial Meltdown. 2019. BBC: China's Economic Slowdown: How worried should we be? 2020. New York Times: Coronavirus Could End China's Decades-Long Economic Growth Streak. 2021. Bloomberg: Chinese economy risks deeper slowdown than markets realize. 2022. Bloomberg: China Surprise Data Could Spell RECESSION. 2023. Bloomberg: No word should be off-limits to describe China's faltering economy. ---> (Going to need an entry for 2024. ) ... Yet despite all their predictions, China's economy is still growing.
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  95. Here's what other western economists have been saying about China's economy since 1990. 1990. The Economist: China's economy has come to a halt. 1996. The Economist: China's economy will face a hard landing. 1998. The Economist: China's economy entering a dangerous period of sluggish growth. 1999. Bank of Canada: Likelihood of a hard landing for the Chinese economy. 2000. Chicago Tribune: China currency move nails hard landing risk coffin. 2001. Wilbanks, Smith & Thomas: A hard landing in China. 2002. Westchester University: China Anxiously Seeks a Soft Economic Landing. 2003. New York Times: Banking crisis imperils China. 2004. The Economist: The great fall of China? 2005. Nouriel Roubini: The Risk of a Hard Landing in China. 2006. International Economy: Can China Achieve a Soft Landing? 2007. TIME: Is China's Economy Overheating? Can China avoid a hard landing? 2008. Forbes: Hard Landing In China? 2009. Fortune: China's hard landing. China must find a way to recover. 2010. Nouriel Roubini: Hard landing coming in China. 2011. Business Insider: A Chinese Hard Landing May Be Closer Than You Think. 2012: American Interest: Dismal Economic News from China: A Hard Landing. 2013. Zero Hedge: A Hard Landing In China. 2014. CNBC: A hard landing in China. 2015. Forbes: Congratulations, You Got Yourself A Chinese Hard Landing. 2016. The Economist: Hard landing looms for China. 2017. National Interest: Is China's Economy Going To Crash. 2018. The Daily Reckoning: China's Coming Financial Meltdown. 2019. BBC: China's Economic Slowdown: How worried should we be? 2020. New York Times: Coronavirus Could End China's Decades-Long Economic Growth Streak. 2021. Bloomberg: Chinese economy risks deeper slowdown than markets realize. 2022. Bloomberg: China Surprise Data Could Spell RECESSION. 2023. Bloomberg: No word should be off-limits to describe China's faltering economy. ... Yet the fact is that China's economy grew 5% in 2024.
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  122. 1990. China's economy has come to a halt. The Economist. 1996. China's economy will face a hard landing. The Economist. 1998. China's economy’s dangerous period of sluggish growth. The Economist. 1999. Likelihood of a hard landing for the Chinese economy. Bank of Canada. 2000. China currency move nails hard landing risk coffin. Chicago Tribune. 2001. A hard landing in China. Wilbanks, Smith & Thomas. 2002. China Seeks a Soft Economic Landing. Westchester University. 2003. Banking crisis imperils China. New York Times. 2004. The great fall of China? The Economist. 2005. The Risk of a Hard Landing in China. Nouriel Roubini. 2006. Can China Achieve a Soft Landing? International Economy. 2007. Can China avoid a hard landing? TIME. 2008. Hard Landing In China? Forbes. 2009. China's hard landing. China must find a way to recover. Fortune. 2010: Hard landing coming in China. Nouriel Roubini. 2011: Chinese Hard Landing Closer Than You Think. Business Insider. 2012: Economic News from China: Hard Landing. American Interest. 2013: A Hard Landing In China. Zero Hedge. 2014. A hard landing in China. CNBC. 2015. Congratulations, You Got Yourself A Chinese Hard Landing. Forbes. 2016. Hard landing looms for China. The Economist. 2017. Is China's Economy Going To Crash? National Interest. 2018. China's Coming Financial Meltdown. The Daily Reckoning. 2019. Seven Reasons Why China Is Facing A Hard Landing In 2019. Zero Hedge. 2020. Remember The China 'Hard Landing'? We Got One. Forbes. 2021. Chinese economy risks deeper slowdown than markets realize. Bloomberg. 2022. China Surprise Data Could Spell R-e-c-e-s-s-i-o-n. Bloomberg. 2023. No word should be off-limits to describe China's faltering economy. Bloomberg. ... But it's already 2024 and China's economy is still going strong
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  141. Here's what western magazines have been saying about China's economy since 1990: 1990. The Economist: China's economy has come to a halt. 1996. The Economist: China's economy will face a hard landing. 1998. The Economist: China's economy entering a dangerous period of sluggish growth. 1999. Bank of Canada: Likelihood of a hard landing for the Chinese economy. 2000. Chicago Tribune: China currency move nails hard landing risk coffin. 2001. Wilbanks, Smith & Thomas: A hard landing in China. 2002. Westchester University: China Anxiously Seeks a Soft Economic Landing. 2003. New York Times: Banking crisis imperils China. 2004. The Economist: The great fall of China? 2005. Nouriel Roubini: The Risk of a Hard Landing in China. 2006. International Economy: Can China Achieve a Soft Landing? 2007. TIME: Is China's Economy Overheating? Can China avoid a hard landing? 2008. Forbes: Hard Landing In China? 2009. Fortune: China's hard landing. China must find a way to recover. 2010. Nouriel Roubini: Hard landing coming in China. 2011. Business Insider: A Chinese Hard Landing May Be Closer Than You Think. 2012: American Interest: Dismal Economic News from China: A Hard Landing. 2013. Zero Hedge: A Hard Landing In China. 2014. CNBC: A hard landing in China. 2015. Forbes: Congratulations, You Got Yourself A Chinese Hard Landing. 2016. The Economist: Hard landing looms for China. 2017. National Interest: Is China's Economy Going To Crash. 2018. The Daily Reckoning: China's Coming Financial Meltdown. 2019. BBC: China's Economic Slowdown: How worried should we be? 2020. New York Times: Coronavirus Could End China's Decades-Long Economic Growth Streak. 2021. Bloomberg: Chinese economy risks deeper slowdown than markets realize. 2022. Bloomberg: China Surprise Data Could Spell RECESSION. 2023. Bloomberg: No word should be off-limits to describe China's faltering economy. ... Yet it's already 2024 and China's economy is still going strong.
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  207. Here's western economist's headlines about China's economy since 1990. 1990. The Economist: China's economy has come to a halt. 1996. The Economist: China's economy will face a hard landing. 1998. The Economist: China's economy entering a dangerous period of sluggish growth. 1999. Bank of Canada: Likelihood of a hard landing for the Chinese economy. 2000. Chicago Tribune: China currency move nails hard landing risk coffin. 2001. Wilbanks, Smith & Thomas: A hard landing in China. 2002. Westchester University: China Anxiously Seeks a Soft Economic Landing. 2003. New York Times: Banking crisis imperils China. 2004. The Economist: The great fall of China? 2005. Nouriel Roubini: The Risk of a Hard Landing in China. 2006. International Economy: Can China Achieve a Soft Landing? 2007. TIME: Is China's Economy Overheating? Can China avoid a hard landing? 2008. Forbes: Hard Landing In China? 2009. Fortune: China's hard landing. China must find a way to recover. 2010. Nouriel Roubini: Hard landing coming in China. 2011. Business Insider: A Chinese Hard Landing May Be Closer Than You Think. 2012: American Interest: Dismal Economic News from China: A Hard Landing. 2013. Zero Hedge: A Hard Landing In China. 2014. CNBC: A hard landing in China. 2015. Forbes: Congratulations, You Got Yourself A Chinese Hard Landing. 2016. The Economist: Hard landing looms for China. 2017. National Interest: Is China's Economy Going To Crash. 2018. The Daily Reckoning: China's Coming Financial Meltdown. 2019. BBC: China's Economic Slowdown: How worried should we be? 2020. New York Times: Coronavirus Could End China's Decades-Long Economic Growth Streak. 2021. Bloomberg: Chinese economy risks deeper slowdown than markets realize. 2022. Bloomberg: China Surprise Data Could Spell RECESSION. 2023. Bloomberg: No word should be off-limits to describe China's faltering economy. ... Yet the fact is that China's economy grew 5% in 2024.
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  229. Here's a Chinese analogy taken off Weibo, to explain the Russo-Ukraine conflict in the form of a family drama: More than 20 years ago, Ukraine divorced her ex-husband (Russia), and took several children along with her. Still, the ex-husband was very accommodating to her and left her with a lot of family property. After that, the ex-husband also paid off more than 200 billion in debts for her. After getting rid of her ex-husband, Ukraine started flirting with the village chief (United States) and his harem of concubines (NATO countries) until she was completely ensnared in their arms. That's still acceptable to a certain point, (but) she was smitten with the village tyrant, and hooked up with him in a plan to attack her ex-husband. The ex-husband was very angry and had insisted on returning a child: Crimea. Ukraine began to harboring grudges against her ex-husband, and dreams of someday marrying into the NATO family. But the truth is that the village chief didn't really want to marry Ukraine into the family. After all, she was high-maintenance and loved to pocket his money (corruption). His many wives also didn't want Ukraine to join family, but in front of Ukraine, they were all smiles and encouraging her to join. The village chief just wanted to use her like a pawn to bully her ex-husband. After 8 years of constant abuse, her two children (Donetsk and Luhansk) were crying and imploring for help from their father. The village chief was always on the sidelines in the ex-husband and wife quarrel, occasionally sending in expired items (ammunition) from time to time. Because of that, Ukraine thought she had someone to support her, and became even more presumptuous towards her ex-husband. The ex-husband could bear it no longer, took another glance at the poor treatment of the children, and rushed over in defense of his two children, so the ex husband and wife started fighting. Now, the village chief and his many wives are cheering on Ukraine from the sidelines, yet none of them are willing to lift an actual finger and partake in the fighting themselves. Ukraine is unlikely to marry into the NATO family, because that would mean that the village chief and his many wives would be obliged to join the fight against the ex-husband. ... Hopefully this analogy puts the Russo-Ukraine conflict into perspective and on a more relatable level.
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  295. 1990. The Economist: China's economy has come to a halt. 1996. The Economist: China's economy will face hard landing. 1998. The Economist: China's economy entering a dangerous period of sluggish growth. 1999. Bank of Canada: Likelihood of a hard landing for the Chinese economy. 2000. Chicago Tribune: China currency move nails hard landing risk coffin. 2001. Wilbanks, Smith & Thomas: A hard landing in China. 2002. Westchester University: China Anxiously Seeks A Soft Economic landing. 2003. KWR International: How to find a soft landing if China.. 2004. The Economist: The great fall of China? 2005. Nouriel Roubini: The Risk of a Hard Landing in China. 2006. International Economy: Can China Achieve a Soft Landing? 2007. TIME: Is China's Economy Overheating? Can China avoid a hard landing? 2008. Forbes: Hard Landing in China? 2009. Fortune: China's hard landing. China must find a way to recover. 2010. Nouriel Roubini: Hard landing coming in China. 2011. Business Insider: A Chinese Hard Landing May Be Closer Than You Think. 2012. American Interest: Dismal Economic News from China: A Hard Landing. 2013. Zero Hedge: A Hard Landing in China. 2014. CNBC: A hard landing in China. 2015. Forbes: Congratulations, You got Yourself A Chinese Hard Landing.... 2016. The Economist: Hard Landing looms for China. 2017. National Interest: Is China's Economy Going To Crash? 2018. The Daily Reckoning: China's Coming Financial Meltdown. 2019. Zero Hedge: Seven Reasons Why China Is Facing A Hard Landing In 2019 2020. Forbes: Remember The China 'Hard Landing'? We Got One. ... But its already 2022, and China's economy is still going strong.
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  328. 1990. The Economist. China's economy has come to a halt. 1996. The Economist. China's economy will face a hard landing. 1998. The Economist: China's economy entering a dangerous period of sluggish growth. 1999. Bank of Canada: Likelihood of a hard landing for the Chinese economy. 2000. Chicago Tribune: China currency move nails hard landing risk coffin. 2001. Wilbanks, Smith & Thomas: A hard landing in China. 2002. Westchester University: China Anxiously Seeks a Soft Economic Landing 2003. New York Times: Banking crisis imperils China 2004. The Economist: The great fall of China? 2005. Nouriel Roubini: The Risk of a Hard Landing in China 2006. International Economy: Can China Achieve a Soft Landing? 2007. TIME: Is China's Economy Overheating? Can China avoid a hard landing? 2008. Forbes: Hard Landing In China? 2009. Fortune: China's hard landing. China must find a way to recover. 2010: Nouriel Roubini: Hard landing coming in China. 2011: Business Insider: A Chinese Hard Landing May Be Closer Than You Think 2012: American Interest: Dismal Economic News from China: A Hard Landing 2013: Zero Hedge: A Hard Landing In China 2014. CNBC: A hard landing in China. 2015. Forbes: Congratulations, You Got Yourself A Chinese Hard Landing. 2016. The Economist: Hard landing looms for China 2017. National Interest: Is China's Economy Going To Crash? 2018. CNN: Forget the trade war, China's economy has other big problems 2020. Economics Explained: The Scary Solution to the Chinese Debt Crisis 2021. Global Economics: Has China's Downfall Started? ... Yet China's economy is still going strong.
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  440. Here's an analogy taken off Weibo, to explain the Russo-Ukraine conflict in the form of a family drama: More than 20 years ago, Ukraine divorced her ex-husband (Russia), and took several children along with her. Still, the ex-husband was very accommodating to her and left her with a lot of family property. After that, the ex-husband also paid off more than 200 billion in debts for her. After getting rid of her ex-husband, Ukraine started flirting with the village chief (United States) and his harem of concubines (NATO countries) until she was completely ensnared in their arms. That's still acceptable to a certain point, (but) she was smitten with the village tyrant, and hooked up with him in a plan to attack her ex-husband. The ex-husband was very angry and had insisted on returning a child: Crimea. Crimea had opted to rejoin the father. Ukraine began to harboring grudges against her ex-husband, and dreams of someday marrying into the NATO family. But the truth is that the village chief didn't really want to marry Ukraine into the family. After all, she was high-maintenance and loved to pocket his money (corruption). His many wives also didn't want Ukraine to join family, but in front of Ukraine, they still gave Ukraine a false sense of hope. The village chief just wanted to use her like a pawn to bully her ex-husband. After 8 years of constant abuse, her two children (Donetsk and Luhansk) were crying and imploring for help from their father. The village chief was always on the sidelines in the ex-husband and wife quarrel, occasionally sending in expired items (ammunition) from time to time. Because of that, Ukraine thought she had someone to support her, and became even more presumptuous towards her ex-husband. The ex-husband could bear it no longer, took another glance at the poor treatment of the children, and rushed over in defense of his two children, so the ex husband and wife started fighting. Now, the village chief and his many wives are cheering on Ukraine from the sidelines, yet none of them are willing to lift an actual finger and partake in the fighting themselves. Ukraine is unlikely to marry into the NATO family, because that would mean that the village chief and his many wives would be obliged to join the fight against the ex-husband. ... Hopefully this analogy puts the Russo-Ukraine conflict into perspective and on a more relatable level.
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  480. Western economists have been predicting China's economic downfall since 1990s. For example, 1990. The Economist: China's economy has come to a halt. 1996. The Economist: China's economy will face hard landing. 1998. The Economist: China's economy entering a dangerous period of sluggish growth. 1999. Bank of Canada: Likelihood of a hard landing for the Chinese economy. 2000. Chicago Tribune: China currency move nails hard landing risk coffin. 2001. Wilbanks, Smith & Thomas: A hard landing in China. 2002. Westchester University: China Anxiously Seeks A Soft Economic landing. 2003. KWR International: How to find a soft landing if China.. 2004. The Economist: The great fall of China? 2005. Nouriel Roubini: The Risk of a Hard Landing in China. 2006. International Economy: Can China Achieve a Soft Landing? 2007. TIME: Is China's Economy Overheating? Can China avoid a hard landing? 2008. Forbes: Hard Landing in China? 2009. Fortune: China's hard landing. China must find a way to recover. 2010. Nouriel Roubini: Hard landing coming in China. 2011. Business Insider: A Chinese Hard Landing May Be Closer Than You Think. 2012. American Interest: Dismal Economic News from China: A Hard Landing. 2013. Zero Hedge: A Hard Landing in China. 2014. CNBC: A hard landing in China. 2015. Forbes: Congratulations, You got Yourself A Chinese Hard Landing.... 2016. The Economist: Hard Landing looms for China. 2017. National Interest: Is China's Economy Going To Crash? 2018. The Daily Reckoning: China's Coming Financial Meltdown. ... But its already 2019 and China's economy is still going strong. Western anti-China propaganda has been consistently proven wrong for almost 30 years already, so why do people still believe China will fail?
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  483. Here's a Chinese analogy taken off Weibo, to explain the Russo-Ukraine conflict in the form of a family drama: More than 20 years ago, Ukraine divorced her ex-husband (Russia), and took several children along with her. Still, the ex-husband was very accommodating to her and left her with a lot of family property. After that, the ex-husband also paid off more than 200 billion in debts for her. After getting rid of her ex-husband, Ukraine started flirting with the village chief (United States) and his harem of concubines (NATO countries) until she was completely ensnared in their arms. That's still acceptable to a certain point, (but) she was smitten with the village tyrant, and hooked up with him in a plan to attack her ex-husband. The ex-husband was very angry and had insisted on returning a child: Crimea. Ukraine began to harboring grudges against her ex-husband, and dreams of someday marrying into the NATO family, which in turn open up a path to her ex-husband's doorstep. But the truth is that the village chief didn't really want to marry Ukraine into the family. After all, she was high-maintenance and loved to pocket his money (corruption). His many wives also didn't want Ukraine to join family, but in front of Ukraine, they were all smiles and encouraging her to join. The village chief just wanted to use her like a pawn to bully her ex-husband. After 8 years of constant abuse, her two children (Donetsk and Luhansk) were crying and imploring for help from their father. The village chief was always on the sidelines in the ex-husband and wife quarrel, occasionally sending in expired items (ammunition) from time to time. Because of that, Ukraine thought she had someone to support her, and became even more presumptuous towards her ex-husband. The ex-husband could bear it no longer, took another glance at the poor treatment of the children, and rushed over in defense of his two children, so the ex husband and wife started fighting. Now, the village chief and his many wives are cheering on Ukraine from the sidelines, yet none of them are willing to lift an actual finger and partake in the fighting themselves. Ukraine is unlikely to marry into the NATO family, because that would mean that the village chief and his many wives would be obliged to join the fight against the ex-husband. ... Hopefully this analogy puts the Russo-Ukraine conflict into perspective and on a more relatable level.
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  534. Westerners have long been predicting China's economic downfall. Here's a list: 1990. The Economist: China's economy has come to a halt. 1996. The Economist: China's economy will face hard landing. 1998. The Economist: China's economy entering a dangerous period of sluggish growth. 1999. Bank of Canada: Likelihood of a hard landing for the Chinese economy. 2000. Chicago Tribune: China currency move nails hard landing risk coffin. 2001. Wilbanks, Smith & Thomas: A hard landing in China. 2002. Westchester University: China Anxiously Seeks A Soft Economic landing. 2003. KWR International: How to find a soft landing if China.. 2004. The Economist: The great fall of China? 2005. Nouriel Roubini: The Risk of a Hard Landing in China. 2006. International Economy: Can China Achieve a Soft Landing? 2007. TIME: Is China's Economy Overheating? Can China avoid a hard landing? 2008. Forbes: Hard Landing in China? 2009. Fortune: China's hard landing. China must find a way to recover. 2010. Nouriel Roubini: Hard landing coming in China. 2011. Business Insider: A Chinese Hard Landing May Be Closer Than You Think. 2012. American Interest: Dismal Economic News from China: A Hard Landing. 2013. Zero Hedge: A Hard Landing in China. 2014. CNBC: A hard landing in China. 2015. Forbes: Congratulations, You got Yourself A Chinese Hard Landing.... 2016. The Economist: Hard Landing looms for China. 2017. National Interest: Is China's Economy Going To Crash? 2018. The Daily Reckoning: China's Coming Financial Meltdown. 2019. Zero Hedge: Seven Reasons Why China Is Facing A Hard Landing In 2019 ... But its already 2021, and China's economy is still going strong. So why continue to believe China's economy will fall, given that Western economist predictions about China's collapse been proven consistently wrong for almost 30 years already?
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  565. +Haruka ino During Unit 731, Japanese soldiers conducted human experiments on Chinese prisoners, including men, women and children. Prisoners were subjected to live vivisection after infecting them with various diseases, and often without anesthesia and usually ending with their death. Organs were removed, limbs frozen and amputated, and reattached to opposite sides of the body, while the subject is kept alive, because it was thought that death will affect the results. Some prisoners even had their stomachs removed and their gullet attached to their intestines, just to see how long humans can survive without the stomach. Japanese scientists experimented with sexually transmitted diseases, by injecting prisoners and forcing them to spread the disease to other people at gunpoint. Women were raped and impregnated (sometimes by Japanese themselves) and then vivisected at various stages to study the effects of diseases on their organs, or on their pregnancy. Japanese scientists literally raped prisoners and then had experiments conducted on unborn children they fathered with female prisoners. Can you imagine if you are woman in Unit 731? Or imagine you are a man injected with STD and forced to have sex at gunpoint to spread it to other prisoners? Why not simply inject everyone with STD in the first place instead? All Chinese people wanted to do was defend our lands and protect our loved ones that's all. But Japanese invaded our lands, stole our territory, killed our men, raped our women and conducted scientific experiments on our children.
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  711. +Haruka ino During the Dalai Lama administration of Tibet, Tibet was a brutal theocracy, where 95% of the population were slaves and the remaining 5% elites (slave owners). Tibetan mountainous soil was poor, and the people were surrounded by mountains, so the slaves worked all day to grow food to feed the population and support the 5% elites. Starvation was commonplace, punishments were harsh, people had limbs amputated for crimes or even their skins removed. There is this Tibetan drum called damaru that is made from human skulls, human skin as the drumskin, and human bone as the drumstick. The Dalai Lama was worshiped and people fought for the right to consume his body fluids like saliva, urine and even his feces, because he was seen as a holy vessel by the people. But after the government regained control of Tibet in 1951, it began to modernize under the government. Roads, houses, streetlamps, schools, universities, hospitals, etc were built, and homes now had running water, plumbing, gas and electricity installed. Modern technology, like cars, smartphones, computers, the Internet, WiFi, and mobile phone coverage were available, even in such remote place like Himalayas. Chinese built the Qinghai Railway (world's highest altitude railway) through difficult mountain terrain and low oxygen conditions, and connecting Tibet to the rest of the world. Now food can be imported from the mainland to feed Tibetans and their population has increased because of that. A tourist industry has even sprung up in Tibet, allowing pilgrims much easier access to the otherwise isolated state in the Himalayas.
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  718. Here's the Chinese way to explain the Ukraine/Russia war to help clear up the confusion through a story: More than 20 years ago, Ukraine divorced her ex-husband (Russia), and took several children along with her. Still, the ex-husband was very accommodating to her and left her with a lot of family property. After that, the ex-husband also paid off more than 200 billion in debts for her. After getting rid of her ex-husband, Ukraine started flirting with the village chief (United States) and his harem of concubines (i.e NATO countries) until she was completely ensnared in their arms. That's still acceptable to a certain point, (but) she was enraptured with the village tyrant, and hooked up with him to attack her ex-husband. The ex-husband was very angry and had insisted on returning a child: Crimea. Ukraine began to harboring grudges against her ex-husband and dreams of marrying into the NATO family, and of milking her ex-husband dry of his assets. The village chief didn't want to marry Ukraine into the family. She was high-maintenance and loved to splurge money. The village chief just wanted to use her like a pawn to bully her ex-husband. After 8 years of constant abuse, her two children (Donetsk and Luhansk) went crying and imploring for help from their father. The village chief was always on the sidelines in the ex husband and wife conflict, occasionally sending in expired items (ammunition) from time to time. Ukraine thought she had someone to support her, and became even more presumptuous towards her ex-husband. The ex-husband could bear it no longer, took another glance at the poor treatment of the children, and rushed over in defense of his two children, so the ex husband and wife started fighting. Now, the village chief and his many wives are cheering on Ukraine from the sidelines, yet none of them are willing to lift an actual finger and partake in the fighting themselves. Ukraine is unlikely to marry into the NATO family, because that would mean that the village chief and his many wives would have to join the fight against the ex-husband.
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  744. Here's a Chinese analogy taken off Weibo, to explain the Russo-Ukraine conflict in the form of a family drama: More than 20 years ago, Ukraine divorced her ex-husband (Russia), and took several children along with her. Still, the ex-husband was very accommodating to her and left her with a lot of family property. After that, the ex-husband also paid off more than 200 billion in debts for her. After getting rid of her ex-husband, Ukraine started flirting with the village chief (United States) and his harem of concubines (NATO countries) until she was completely ensnared in their arms. That's still acceptable to a certain point, (but) she was smitten with the village tyrant, and hooked up with him in a plan to attack her ex-husband. The ex-husband was very angry and had insisted on returning a child: Crimea. Ukraine began to harboring grudges against her ex-husband, and dreams of someday marrying into the NATO family. But the truth is that the village chief didn't really want to marry Ukraine into the family. After all, she was high-maintenance and loved to pocket his money (corruption). His many wives also didn't want Ukraine to join family, but in front of Ukraine, they were all smiles and encouraging her to join. The village chief just wanted to use her like a pawn to bully her ex-husband. After 8 years of constant abuse, her two children (Donetsk and Luhansk) were crying and imploring for help from their father. The village chief was always on the sidelines in the ex-husband and wife quarrel, occasionally sending in expired items (ammunition) from time to time. Because of that, Ukraine thought she had someone to support her, and became even more presumptuous towards her ex-husband. The ex-husband could bear it no longer, took another glance at the poor treatment of the children, and rushed over in defense of his two children, so the ex husband and wife started fighting. Now, the village chief and his many wives are cheering on Ukraine from the sidelines, yet none of them are willing to lift an actual finger and partake in the fighting themselves. Ukraine is unlikely to marry into the NATO family, because that would mean that the village chief and his many wives would be obliged to join the fight against the ex-husband. ... Hopefully this analogy puts the Russo-Ukraine conflict into perspective and on a more relatable level.
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  874.  @smith2354  Agreed. Westerners have long been predicting China's economic downfall since 1990. 1990. The Economist: China's economy has come to a halt. 1996. The Economist: China's economy will face hard landing. 1998. The Economist: China's economy entering a dangerous period of sluggish growth. 1999. Bank of Canada: Likelihood of a hard landing for the Chinese economy. 2000. Chicago Tribune: China currency move nails hard landing risk coffin. 2001. Wilbanks, Smith & Thomas: A hard landing in China. 2002. Westchester University: China Anxiously Seeks A Soft Economic landing. 2003. KWR International: How to find a soft landing if China.. 2004. The Economist: The great fall of China? 2005. Nouriel Roubini: The Risk of a Hard Landing in China. 2006. International Economy: Can China Achieve a Soft Landing? 2007. TIME: Is China's Economy Overheating? Can China avoid a hard landing? 2008. Forbes: Hard Landing in China? 2009. Fortune: China's hard landing. China must find a way to recover. 2010. Nouriel Roubini: Hard landing coming in China. 2011. Business Insider: A Chinese Hard Landing May Be Closer Than You Think. 2012. American Interest: Dismal Economic News from China: A Hard Landing. 2013. Zero Hedge: A Hard Landing in China. 2014. CNBC: A hard landing in China. 2015. Forbes: Congratulations, You got Yourself A Chinese Hard Landing.... 2016. The Economist: Hard Landing looms for China. 2017. National Interest: Is China's Economy Going To Crash? 2018. The Daily Reckoning: China's Coming Financial Meltdown. 2019. Zero Hedge: Seven Reasons Why China Is Facing A Hard Landing In 2019 2020. Forbes: Remember The China 'Hard Landing'? We Got One. ... But its already 2022, and China's economy is still going.
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  899. Western economists have been predicting China's economic downfall since 1990s. 1990. The Economist: China's economy has come to a halt. 1996. The Economist: China's economy will face hard landing. 1998. The Economist: China's economy entering a dangerous period of sluggish growth. 1999. Bank of Canada: Likelihood of a hard landing for the Chinese economy. 2000. Chicago Tribune: China currency move nails hard landing risk coffin. 2001. Wilbanks, Smith & Thomas: A hard landing in China. 2002. Westchester University: China Anxiously Seeks A Soft Economic landing. 2003. KWR International: How to find a soft landing if China.. 2004. The Economist: The great fall of China? 2005. Nouriel Roubini: The Risk of a Hard Landing in China. 2006. International Economy: Can China Achieve a Soft Landing? 2007. TIME: Is China's Economy Overheating? Can China avoid a hard landing? 2008. Forbes: Hard Landing in China? 2009. Fortune: China's hard landing. China must find a way to recover. 2010. Nouriel Roubini: Hard landing coming in China. 2011. Business Insider: A Chinese Hard Landing May Be Closer Than You Think. 2012. American Interest: Dismal Economic News from China: A Hard Landing. 2013. Zero Hedge: A Hard Landing in China. 2014. CNBC: A hard landing in China. 2015. Forbes: Congratulations, You got Yourself A Chinese Hard Landing.... 2016. The Economist: Hard Landing looms for China. 2017. National Interest: Is China's Economy Going To Crash? 2018. The Daily Reckoning: China's Coming Financial Meltdown. ... But it's already 2019 and China's economy is still going strong. So why do people still continue to believe the Western anti-China propaganda when it has been consistently proven wrong for almost 30 years already?
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  1135.  @christopherhamlin6139  1990. The Economist: China's economy has come to a halt. 1996. The Economist: China's economy will face hard landing. 1998. The Economist: China's economy entering a dangerous period of sluggish growth. 1999. Bank of Canada: Likelihood of a hard landing for the Chinese economy. 2000. Chicago Tribune: China currency move nails hard landing risk coffin. 2001. Wilbanks, Smith & Thomas: A hard landing in China. 2002. Westchester University: China Anxiously Seeks A Soft Economic landing. 2003. KWR International: How to find a soft landing if China.. 2004. The Economist: The great fall of China? 2005. Nouriel Roubini: The Risk of a Hard Landing in China. 2006. International Economy: Can China Achieve a Soft Landing? 2007. TIME: Is China's Economy Overheating? Can China avoid a hard landing? 2008. Forbes: Hard Landing in China? 2009. Fortune: China's hard landing. China must find a way to recover. 2010. Nouriel Roubini: Hard landing coming in China. 2011. Business Insider: A Chinese Hard Landing May Be Closer Than You Think. 2012. American Interest: Dismal Economic News from China: A Hard Landing. 2013. Zero Hedge: A Hard Landing in China. 2014. CNBC: A hard landing in China. 2015. Forbes: Congratulations, You got Yourself A Chinese Hard Landing.... 2016. The Economist: Hard Landing looms for China. 2017. National Interest: Is China's Economy Going To Crash? 2018. The Daily Reckoning: China's Coming Financial Meltdown. 2019. Zero Hedge: Seven Reasons Why China Is Facing A Hard Landing In 2019 2020. Forbes: Remember The China 'Hard Landing'? We Got One. ... But its already 2022, and China's economy is still going strong.
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  1211.  @padraicley3265  "How about this one: Russia Putin was a bad ex-husband, often beat up his wives." You're talking about Russia Putin which means post-Soviet dissolution right? Putin's presidency was inaugurated in the Kremlin on 7 May 2012, so which "ex-wife" was beaten up post 2012? "Took money from the mobs, killing some of his friends (LGBT) who doesn't share his view." In 2020, Russia's estimated level of national debt reached about 20% of the GDP, ranking 14th of the countries with the lowest national debt, what borrowed money from the mobs are you talking about? On the other hand, Ukraine had accumulated debts with the EU. And the village bully (USA) and his harem of wives (NATO countries) have a habit of slapping sanctions against anyone that disagreed with their views. "Cyber attack other people for his own gains." Do you actually have proof of this? Did you know that "Russia gate" is a hoax conceived by the Democrats to smear Trump for being too friendly with the Russians? "Rig his standing in the community." Putin enjoys immense support from the people of Russia, and the quality of the life of Russians had grown under his leadership before 2022. "The Ex-wife is about had his ego and im-moral life style and join the another group of friends who has more opportunities for a better life." Again, the EU did not offer good deals to Ukraine, which was why Ukrainian President Viktor Yanukovych didn't want to side with the EU and was subsequently ousted in a coup d'etat in 2014 by the USA. And for all their talk of allowing Ukraine to join, NATO countries did not want admit Ukraine as a member (due to Ukraine's corruption issues) and even till today, NATO is not going to send troops to defend Ukraine, so what "opportunities for a better life" are you talking about? "The Ex-husband is getting angry the ex-wife is doing better than he ever can and decide to ruin her." How is Ukraine doing better than Russia ever can? In 2021 Russia's GDP ($1709 billion) is literally 10 times that of Ukraine's GDP ($164 billion) so on what basis are you claiming Ukraine is doing better than Russia? You're analogy doesn't seem to take into details the deep historical roots that Ukraine has with Russia.
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  1217.  @elanor2123  Previously, while Tibet was under Dalai Lama rule, Tibet was a brutal theocracy, where 95% of the population were slaves and the remaining 5% elites were slave owners. Tibetan mountainous soil is infertile, rainfall is scarce in the Himalayas, so the slaves had to work hard to feed the Tibetan population. Starvation was commonplace and theft of food was punished by torture, amputation and even skinning. There's this Tibetan drum called damaru that's made from human skulls, a drumskin made of human skin and drumstick made of human bone. The Dalai Lama was overly worshipped and his followers fought for the right to consume his saliva, his urine and even his feces, because he was considered a divine vessel. After Tibet returned back to China, Chinese workers began rapidly modernising Tibet, building roads, railways, streetlamps, running water, gas and electricity as well as introducing modern amenities like cars, computers, telephone cables, smartphones, the Internet, WiFi, online shopping (from Taobao) and so on. Under CPC, the first Tibetan colleges opened in Lhasa, offering degrees in both Tibetan and Mandarin Chinese languages. Hydroelectric powerstations were built by Chinese to supply Tibetan homes with electricity. Chinese workers built the Qinghai-Lhasa railway (world's highest elevation railway) through dangerous mountainous terrain and low oxygen environments, to connect the normally isolated Tibet with the rest of the world. Tibet can now import food from the mainland to feed its population, and Tibet's population has tripled from 1 million in 1950s to over 3 million people today. A thriving tourist industry has even sprung up in Tibet.
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  1302. Western economists have been predicting China's economic downfall since 1990s. 1990. The Economist: China's economy has come to a halt. 1996. The Economist: China's economy will face hard landing. 1998. The Economist: China's economy entering a dangerous period of sluggish growth. 1999. Bank of Canada: Likelihood of a hard landing for the Chinese economy. 2000. Chicago Tribune: China currency move nails hard landing risk coffin. 2001. Wilbanks, Smith & Thomas: A hard landing in China. 2002. Westchester University: China Anxiously Seeks A Soft Economic landing. 2003. KWR International: How to find a soft landing if China.. 2004. The Economist: The great fall of China? 2005. Nouriel Roubini: The Risk of a Hard Landing in China. 2006. International Economy: Can China Achieve a Soft Landing? 2007. TIME: Is China's Economy Overheating? Can China avoid a hard landing? 2008. Forbes: Hard Landing in China? 2009. Fortune: China's hard landing. China must find a way to recover. 2010. Nouriel Roubini: Hard landing coming in China. 2011. Business Insider: A Chinese Hard Landing May Be Closer Than You Think. 2012. American Interest: Dismal Economic News from China: A Hard Landing. 2013. Zero Hedge: A Hard Landing in China. 2014. CNBC: A hard landing in China. 2015. Forbes: Congratulations, You got Yourself A Chinese Hard Landing.... 2016. The Economist: Hard Landing looms for China. 2017. National Interest: Is China's Economy Going To Crash? 2018. The Daily Reckoning: China's Coming Financial Meltdown. But its already 2019, and China's economy is still going strong at over 6% growth, so isn't it clear Western propaganda been proven consistently wrong for almost 30 years?
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  1320.  @aribethdetylmarande8228  said "What I stated is that if the government (not necessary to be CCP, can be any party) made a decision to adjust China economic system into Capitalism, China will grow and develop." That's not what you said, you said "Since China had never been ruled by other party, how do you know that China cannot gain similar economic achievement under leadership of a different government?" as I quoted previously. Yet you are accusing me of twisting concepts? When did you ever mentioned capitalism at all? You had proclaimed that China had never been ruled by other party that's all. Also, during the KMT administration of China, Republic of China was capitalist too but after the fall of the Qing Dynasty in 1912, China underwent a period of instability and disrupted economic activity. The KMT seized control of private banks in 1936 and replaced the China's currency by stamping out the earlier silver and gold-backed notes that had made up China's currency previously. However, this led to hyperinflation, as the KMT began printing notes en masse. Initially, a total of 1.4 billion Chinese yuan was issued in 1936, but by the end of the 2nd Sino-Japanese war some 1.031 trillion in notes was issued) So how did China experience growth and development under KMT? And you know why the USA abandoned KMT during the Chinese Civil War? Because KMT was corrupt, and pocketed some 750 million dollars worth of US military aid, until even the US president Harry Truman wrote that "the Chiangs, the Kungs and the Soongs (were) all thieves."
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  1341. More than 20 years ago, Ukraine divorced her ex-husband (Russia), and took several children along with her. Still, the ex-husband was very accommodating to her and left her with a lot of family property. After that, the ex-husband also paid off more than 200 billion in debts for her. After getting rid of her ex-husband, Ukraine started flirting with the village chief (United States) and his harem of concubines (NATO countries) until she was completely ensnared in their arms. That's still acceptable to a certain point, (but) she was smitten with the village tyrant, and hooked up with him in a plan to attack her ex-husband. The ex-husband was very angry and had insisted on returning a child: Crimea. Ukraine began to harboring grudges against her ex-husband, and dreams of someday marrying into the NATO family. But the truth is that the village chief didn't really want to marry Ukraine into the family. After all, she was high-maintenance and loved to pocket his money (corruption). His many wives also didn't want Ukraine to join family, but in front of Ukraine, they were all smiles and encouraging her to join. The village chief just wanted to use her like a pawn to bully her ex-husband. After 8 years of constant abuse, her two children (Donetsk and Luhansk) were crying and imploring for help from their father. The village chief was always on the sidelines in the ex-husband and wife quarrel, occasionally sending in expired items (ammunition) from time to time. Because of that, Ukraine thought she had someone to support her, and became even more presumptuous towards her ex-husband. The ex-husband could bear it no longer, took another glance at the poor treatment of the children, and rushed over in defense of his two children, so the ex husband and wife started fighting. Now, the village chief and his many wives are cheering on Ukraine from the sidelines, yet none of them are willing to lift an actual finger and partake in the fighting themselves. Ukraine is unlikely to marry into the NATO family, because that would mean that the village chief and his many wives would be obliged to join the fight against the ex-husband. ... Hopefully this analogy taken off Weibo helps puts the Russo-Ukraine conflict into perspective and on a more relatable level.
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  1394. It's even more obvious in their magazine publications on China since 1990. 1990. The Economist: China's economy has come to a halt. 1996. The Economist: China's economy will face a hard landing. 1998. The Economist: China's economy entering a dangerous period of sluggish growth. 1999. Bank of Canada: Likelihood of a hard landing for the Chinese economy. 2000. Chicago Tribune: China currency move nails hard landing risk coffin. 2001. Wilbanks, Smith & Thomas: A hard landing in China. 2002. Westchester University: China Anxiously Seeks a Soft Economic Landing. 2003. New York Times: Banking crisis imperils China. 2004. The Economist: The great fall of China? 2005. Nouriel Roubini: The Risk of a Hard Landing in China. 2006. International Economy: Can China Achieve a Soft Landing? 2007. TIME: Is China's Economy Overheating? Can China avoid a hard landing? 2008. Forbes: Hard Landing In China? 2009. Fortune: China's hard landing. China must find a way to recover. 2010. Nouriel Roubini: Hard landing coming in China. 2011. Business Insider: A Chinese Hard Landing May Be Closer Than You Think. 2012: American Interest: Dismal Economic News from China: A Hard Landing. 2013. Zero Hedge: A Hard Landing In China. 2014. CNBC: A hard landing in China. 2015. Forbes: Congratulations, You Got Yourself A Chinese Hard Landing. 2016. The Economist: Hard landing looms for China. 2017. National Interest: Is China's Economy Going To Crash. 2018. The Daily Reckoning: China's Coming Financial Meltdown. 2019. BBC: China's Economic Slowdown: How worried should we be? 2020. New York Times: Coronavirus Could End China's Decades-Long Economic Growth Streak. 2021. Bloomberg: Chinese economy risks deeper slowdown than markets realize. 2022. Bloomberg: China Surprise Data Could Spell RECESSION. 2023. Bloomberg: No word should be off-limits to describe China's faltering economy. ... Yet the fact is that China's economy grew 5% in 2024.
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  1397. Western economists have been predicting China's economic downfall since 1990s. 1990. The Economist: China's economy has come to a halt. 1996. The Economist: China's economy will face hard landing. 1998. The Economist: China's economy entering a dangerous period of sluggish growth. 1999. Bank of Canada: Likelihood of a hard landing for the Chinese economy. 2000. Chicago Tribune: China currency move nails hard landing risk coffin. 2001. Wilbanks, Smith & Thomas: A hard landing in China. 2002. Westchester University: China Anxiously Seeks A Soft Economic landing. 2003. KWR International: How to find a soft landing if China.. 2004. The Economist: The great fall of China? 2005. Nouriel Roubini: The Risk of a Hard Landing in China. 2006. International Economy: Can China Achieve a Soft Landing? 2007. TIME: Is China's Economy Overheating? Can China avoid a hard landing? 2008. Forbes: Hard Landing in China? 2009. Fortune: China's hard landing. China must find a way to recover. 2010. Nouriel Roubini: Hard landing coming in China. 2011. Business Insider: A Chinese Hard Landing May Be Closer Than You Think. 2012. American Interest: Dismal Economic News from China: A Hard Landing. 2013. Zero Hedge: A Hard Landing in China. 2014. CNBC: A hard landing in China. 2015. Forbes: Congratulations, You got Yourself A Chinese Hard Landing.... 2016. The Economist: Hard Landing looms for China. 2017. National Interest: Is China's Economy Going To Crash? 2018. The Daily Reckoning: China's Coming Financial Meltdown. But its already 2019 and China's economy is still going strong. Western predictions about China's economy failing have been consecutively proven wrong for almost 30 years already.
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  1409. Westerners have long been predicting China's economic downfall. Here's a list: 1990. The Economist: China's economy has come to a halt. 1996. The Economist: China's economy will face hard landing. 1998. The Economist: China's economy entering a dangerous period of sluggish growth. 1999. Bank of Canada: Likelihood of a hard landing for the Chinese economy. 2000. Chicago Tribune: China currency move nails hard landing risk coffin. 2001. Wilbanks, Smith & Thomas: A hard landing in China. 2002. Westchester University: China Anxiously Seeks A Soft Economic landing. 2003. KWR International: How to find a soft landing if China.. 2004. The Economist: The great fall of China? 2005. Nouriel Roubini: The Risk of a Hard Landing in China. 2006. International Economy: Can China Achieve a Soft Landing? 2007. TIME: Is China's Economy Overheating? Can China avoid a hard landing? 2008. Forbes: Hard Landing in China? 2009. Fortune: China's hard landing. China must find a way to recover. 2010. Nouriel Roubini: Hard landing coming in China. 2011. Business Insider: A Chinese Hard Landing May Be Closer Than You Think. 2012. American Interest: Dismal Economic News from China: A Hard Landing. 2013. Zero Hedge: A Hard Landing in China. 2014. CNBC: A hard landing in China. 2015. Forbes: Congratulations, You got Yourself A Chinese Hard Landing.... 2016. The Economist: Hard Landing looms for China. 2017. National Interest: Is China's Economy Going To Crash? 2018. The Daily Reckoning: China's Coming Financial Meltdown. 2019. Zero Hedge: Seven Reasons Why China Is Facing A Hard Landing In 2019 ... But its already 2021, and China's economy is still going strong. So why continue to believe China's economy will fall, given that Western economist predictions about China's collapse been proven consistently wrong for almost 30 years already?
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  1448.  @seniorsergeanttomcroydon6401  You said: "I caught a senior University lecturer in my country (from China) making remarks about the justification of Russia's attacks on the Ukraine. When I asked him whether he was comfortable if the University knew about his activities, he pretended he wasn't the Professor, but oddly, the Professor quickly changed his YouTube name, threatened me with lawsuits, but deleted his LinkedIn page. His behaviour tells me he agrees that the University would view it as a breach of their ethics for making such posts." So this professor from China is lecturing in a University in your country? If there was truly "freedom of speech" in the West, then he should be able to make remarks justifying Russia's stance in your country. But it's apparent that Western countries are forcing people who voice a view different from the mainstream view is going to suffer consequences. Just look at the crackdown against Russians, Russian athletes and sportsmen, even Russian artists, musicians and composers are being pressured to condemn Putin or else. The fact that he fears your country's university singling him out as a breach of ethics just for voicing a different view is proof that there's no real freedom of speech in the West. You said: "Funny though, he acts like the West is crap but when threatened with losing his lifestyle, he becomes quiet about it." Of course, he should be able to make remarks justifying Russia's stance without facing backlash in the West, yet it's apparent that he fears for his job in your country's university only further shows that there's no real freedom of speech in the West.
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  1570.  @thenutbrothers8726  Chinese food is delicious, and many people all over the world have professed their love of Chinese cuisine. Want something flavorful? Try our Sweet & Sour Pork. If you want something meaty, we have Peking Duck. If you want something light, we have Dim Sum Dumplings. If you're in a hurry, just grab convenient Baozi (Pork Bun) and eat it on the go. If you like mild spicy, care to try our Kung Pao Chicken? If you like very spicy, dare to try our Mapo Tofu? If you are vegetarian, we have vegetarian Springrolls. And we are tofu heaven. If you like rice, we have Fried Rice. If you like noodles, we have Chow Mein. If you like porridge, we have Congee. If you like soups, we have Hotpot. If you like seafood, well you're in luck, because Chinese love seafood too. Even other countries have adapted Chinese food to suit their local palette. America has Chinese food like General Tso's chicken, Chop Suey, Beef Brocolli, etc. Japan has Chinese food like Ramen (拉麺), Mābō-dōfu (麻婆豆腐), Chashu (叉燒), etc. Korea has Chinese food like Jajangmyeon (炸酱面) Jjamppong, Tangsuyuk (糖醋肉), etc. Australia has Chinese food like Lemon Chicken, Chicken Stir-fried, Chow Sam See, etc. Canada has Chinese food like Ginger Beef, Newfoundland Chow Mein, Thunder Bay bon bons, etc. Philippines has Chinese food like Batchoy (肉脆), Hopia (好餅), Kiampong (鹹飯) etc. ... Sources: Wikipedia: Chinese Cuisine, American Chinese cuisine, Australian Chinese cuisine, Canadian-Chinese cuisine, Filipino Chinese cuisine, Japanese Chinese cuisine, Korean Chinese cuisine, So many people love Chinese food both authentic or modified to suit their tastes, so what's wrong with Chinese food then? I heard that in America for example, there are more Chinese restaurants in United States, that there are Western fast-food restaurants like McDonald's, Wendy's, Kentucky Fried Chicken, etc all combined.
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  1572.  @ngawangyoga9258  Previously, while Tibet was under Dalai Lama rule, Tibet was a brutal theocracy, where 95% of the population were slaves and the remaining 5% elites were slave owners. Tibetan mountainous soil is infertile, rainfall is scarce in the Himalayas, so the slaves had to work hard to feed the Tibetan population. Starvation was commonplace and theft of food was punished by torture, amputation and even skinning. There's this Tibetan drum called damaru that's made from human skulls, a drumskin made of human skin and drumstick made of human bone. The Dalai Lama was overly worshipped and his followers fought for the right to consume his saliva, his urine and even his feces, because he was considered a divine vessel. After Tibet returned back to China, Chinese workers began rapidly modernising Tibet, building roads, railways, streetlamps, running water, gas and electricity as well as introducing modern amenities like cars, computers, telephone cables, smartphones, the Internet, WiFi, online shopping (from Taobao) and so on. Under CPC, the first Tibetan colleges opened in Lhasa, offering degrees in both Tibetan and Mandarin Chinese languages. Hydroelectric powerstations were built by Chinese to supply Tibetan homes with electricity. Source: List of universities and colleges in Tibet wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_universities_and_colleges_in_Tibet Source: List of major power stations in the Tibet Autonomous Region wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_major_power_stations_in_the_Tibet_Autonomous_Region Chinese workers built the Qinghai-Lhasa railway (world's highest elevation railway) through dangerous mountainous terrain and low oxygen environments, to connect the normally isolated Tibet with the rest of the world. Tibet can now import food from the mainland to feed its population, and Tibet's population has tripled from 1 million in 1950s to over 3 million people today. A thriving tourist industry has even sprung up in Tibet.
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  1605. Here's a Chinese analogy taken off Weibo, to explain the Russo-Ukraine conflict in the form of a family drama: More than 20 years ago, Ukraine divorced her ex-husband (Russia), and took several children along with her. Still, the ex-husband was very accommodating to her and left her with a lot of family property. After that, the ex-husband also paid off more than 200 billion in debts for her. After getting rid of her ex-husband, Ukraine started flirting with the village chief (United States) and his harem of concubines (NATO countries) until she was completely ensnared in their arms. That's still acceptable to a certain point, (but) she was smitten with the village tyrant, and hooked up with him in a plan to attack her ex-husband. The ex-husband was very angry and had insisted on returning a child: Crimea. Ukraine began to harboring grudges against her ex-husband, and dreams of someday marrying into the NATO family, which in turn open up a path to her ex-husband's doorstep. But the truth is that the village chief didn't really want to marry Ukraine into the family. After all, she was high-maintenance and loved to pocket his money (corruption). His many wives also didn't want Ukraine to join family, but in front of Ukraine, they were all smiles and encouraging her to join. The village chief just wanted to use her like a pawn to bully her ex-husband. After 8 years of constant abuse, her two children (Donetsk and Luhansk) were crying and imploring for help from their father. The village chief was always on the sidelines in the ex-husband and wife quarrel, occasionally sending in expired items (ammunition) from time to time. Because of that, Ukraine thought she had someone to support her, and became even more presumptuous towards her ex-husband. The ex-husband could bear it no longer, took another glance at the poor treatment of the children, and rushed over in defense of his two children, so the ex husband and wife started fighting. Now, the village chief and his many wives are cheering on Ukraine from the sidelines, yet none of them are willing to lift an actual finger and partake in the fighting themselves. Ukraine is unlikely to marry into the NATO family, because that would mean that the village chief and his many wives would be obliged to join the fight against the ex-husband. ... Hopefully this analogy puts the Russo-Ukraine conflict into perspective and on a more relatable level.
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  1766. Here's a Chinese analogy taken off Weibo, to explain the Russo-Ukraine conflict in the form of a family drama: More than 20 years ago, Ukraine divorced her ex-husband (Russia), and took several children along with her. Still, the ex-husband was very accommodating to her and left her with a lot of family property. After that, the ex-husband also paid off more than 200 billion in debts for her. After getting rid of her ex-husband, Ukraine started flirting with the village chief (United States) and his harem of concubines (NATO countries) until she was completely ensnared in their arms. That's still acceptable to a certain point, (but) she was smitten with the village tyrant, and hooked up with him in a plan to attack her ex-husband. The ex-husband was very angry and had insisted on returning a child: Crimea. Ukraine began to harboring grudges against her ex-husband, and dreams of someday marrying into the NATO family. But the truth is that the village chief didn't really want to marry Ukraine into the family. After all, she was high-maintenance and loved to pocket his money (corruption). His many wives also didn't want Ukraine to join family, but in front of Ukraine, they were all smiles and encouraging her to join. The village chief just wanted to use her like a pawn to bully her ex-husband. After 8 years of constant abuse, her two children (Donetsk and Luhansk) were crying and imploring for help from their father. The village chief was always on the sidelines in the ex-husband and wife quarrel, occasionally sending in expired items (ammunition) from time to time. Because of that, Ukraine thought she had someone to support her, and became even more presumptuous towards her ex-husband. The ex-husband could bear it no longer, took another glance at the poor treatment of the children, and rushed over in defense of his two children, so the ex husband and wife started fighting. Now, the village chief and his many wives are cheering on Ukraine from the sidelines, yet none of them are willing to lift an actual finger and partake in the fighting themselves. Ukraine is unlikely to marry into the NATO family, because that would mean that the village chief and his many wives would be obliged to join the fight against the ex-husband. ... Hopefully this analogy puts the Russo-Ukraine conflict into perspective and on a more relatable level.
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  1843. +최민준 I agree that Chinese and Korean are two completely different languages just like Chinese and Japanese, and Korean and Japanese. The Hangul suited the Korean language and it is good for the country as a result. But you made some insults in your argument that would probably anger people who speak Chinese. You said that "Chinese is made up of short words for a simple people, while Korean is an agglutinative and well composed language" Chinese words are short because Chinese believe that breath is important and we shouldn't waste words or breath while speaking. That is why one word represents one sound. That doesn't mean Chinese are "simple people". Those few sounds must be pronounced correctly using the proper tone or else it is wrong. With short words you can create complex sentences without sounding long-winded. For example, If complex ideas can be expressed in 1 or 2 sounds, how many ideas can you squeeze into a set of 8 sounds? Can you squeeze in the same amount with other languages? As for the writing system, Chinese doesn't need an alphabetical system. Chinese words are difficult to pronounce even in English. Words like Xin, Qian, Cuo, Xie, Qi won't get easier to pronounce just cause you use an alphabetical system. Instead Chinese characters are used to unite all the different dialects of China. A picture has no sound associated with it, so 女 -> Nu in Mandarin, Neoi in Cantonese, Neng in Teochew and so on. Even 女 is On'na in Japanese. 女 means Woman in English btw. I'm not trying to prove that Chinese is superior but I am defending it against people who say "Chinese is made up of short words for a simple people" It is well-known that Chinese a compact and precise language but you can still form long sentences if you want to.
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  1959.  @tottiwulezhou  You said: " 1. Tell animals that animals living in other farms have even worse life." Yes, that's precisely what Americans have been told their entire lives, that everyone in the rest of the world is worst off than America, and that only America is great and everyone wants to come live in the USA. "2. Arrest the leaders of animal protestors." Exactly, that's what happens in USA when people like Julian Assange and Edward Snowden speak out against American tyranny. "3. Give extra meals to a few numbers of animals and then make them animals representatives who will act to vote." Yes, that's basically corruption disguised as "lobbying" inside the USA, where the rich U.S corporations fund the election campaigns of candidates that will promote corporate interests at the expense of ordinary American taxpayers. "4. Pay money to a few YouTube influencers to conduct propaganda for the farm." Yeah, that's what serpentza and laowhy86 are basically, being paid to spread fear and paranoia towards China. Even the Western MSM basically demonized China and Australian "think tanks" like ASPI (Australia Strategic Policy Institute) are funded by actual "tank-makers"(i.e the Military Industrial Complex) to spread fear and paranoia of China to their audiences. "5. Make the patriotism education mandatory to all animals, and choose to love the farm or to be punished." That's why many Americans shout patriotic slogans like "America First!", "Make America Great Again" and "God Bless the United States", and anyone who even says anything remotely positive about China is automatically labelled as a communist party shill.
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  2010.  @koblongata  Haven't you heard of Chinese tourists visiting your lands and spending money on your tourist industry? In 2019, China was top in the world in outbound tourism, seeing a record high of 150 million overseas trips made by people in China according to China Tourism Academy. Even in international students, in 2019, around 703,500 Chinese students left China to pursue overseas studies. The number increased by 6.25 percent compared to the previous year and makes China the largest country of origin for international students in the world. So what makes you think Chinese lack freedoms when we can literally be found all over the globe? You said: "People were repressed and hundreds of thousands got killed by Saddam simply because they said something wrong, and don't forget Saddam was an invasive dictator." Well, the U.S's buddy, Saudia Arabia is a dictatorship under their monarchy, and the Saudi Arabian crown prince had murdered a reporter (named Khashoggi) and yet USA just close one eye and look in the other direction. As for Saddam, former President Bush had suspected Iraq of harboring Weapons of Mass Destruction, but after the Iraq War, no WMDs were ever found in Iraq. Meanwhile, Iraq Body Count has recorded the deaths of some 200,000 Iraqi civilians as a result of the U.S invasion of Iraq. Yet you still claim China is a threat to global peace and stability, when here the USA has been waging wars in the Middle East? How does your logic make sense? As for Afghanistan, the U.S democratic experiment has failed in Afghanistan, after spending nearly 20 years and pouring trillions of dollars into the Afghan war effort. The democratically elected Afghan President Ghani had abandoned his country with carloads of U.S cash, and the 300,000-member strong Afghan Army had surrendered to the Taliban in just weeks with minimal resistance. The U.S even abandoned billions of dollars of military equipment that have fallen into Taliban hands. If anything, this shows that the U.S can't just force democracy onto other countries, and expect the people to want to adopt U.S governing system.
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  2020. Here's an analogy taken off Weibo, to explain the Russo-Ukraine conflict in the form of a family drama: More than 20 years ago, Ukraine divorced her ex-husband (Russia), and took several children along with her. Still, the ex-husband was very accommodating to her and left her with a lot of family property. After that, the ex-husband also paid off more than 200 billion in debts for her. After getting rid of her ex-husband, Ukraine started flirting with the village chief (United States) and his harem of concubines (NATO countries) until she was completely ensnared in their arms. That's still acceptable to a certain point, (but) she was smitten with the village tyrant, and hooked up with him in a plan to attack her ex-husband. The ex-husband was very angry and had insisted on returning a child: Crimea. Ukraine began to harboring grudges against her ex-husband, and dreams of someday marrying into the NATO family. But the truth is that the village chief didn't really want to marry Ukraine into the family. After all, she was high-maintenance and loved to pocket his money (corruption). His many wives also didn't want Ukraine to join family, but in front of Ukraine, they were all smiles and encouraging her to join. The village chief just wanted to use her like a pawn to bully her ex-husband. After 8 years of constant abuse, her two children (Donetsk and Lugansk) were crying and imploring for help from their father. The village chief was always on the sidelines in the ex-husband and wife quarrel, occasionally sending in expired items (ammunition) from time to time. Because of that, Ukraine thought she had someone to support her, and became even more presumptuous towards her ex-husband. The ex-husband could bear it no longer, took another glance at the poor treatment of the children, and rushed over in defense of his two children, so the ex husband and wife started fighting. Now, the village chief and his many wives are cheering on Ukraine from the sidelines, yet none of them are willing to lift an actual finger and partake in the fighting themselves. Ukraine is unlikely to marry into the NATO family, because that would mean that the village chief and his many wives would be obliged to join the fight against the ex-husband. ... Hopefully this analogy puts the Russo-Ukraine conflict into perspective and on a more relatable level.
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  2063. Chinese is definitely not inferior to Korean. Let me give some examples. 子 -> Child, 老 -> Old man, So 孝 -> Filial (Child supporting Elder) If we add 文 -> Culture, we get 教 -> Teach (Elder talking to Child about Culture) Also, 日 -> Sun, 月 -> Moon, So 明 -> Tomorrow (After 1 Day and 1 Night) Add 日 into 木 -> Tree, and we get 東 -> East (Direction Sun rises through a Tree) Add 田 -> rice field, above 木 -> Tree and we get 果 -> Fruit (Harvest of the Tree) 火 -> Fire, while 灭 -> Extinguish (Cover Fire and it will die out). Characters can be paired to form new words. 后 -> After. Add Fruit 果 and 后果 -> Consequences ( "fruits of labor") Fructose in Chinese is 果糖 (lit. "Fruit Sugar") Anime is 动漫 (lit."Moving Comics") Satellite is 卫星 (lit."Protective Star") Extinction is 灭绝(lit."Extinguish Completely") Finally, Chinese recycles ancient characters and puts them to modern use. 笔 -> Brush, consists of 毛 -> Hair and 竹(on top) -> Bamboo The Ancient Chinese Brush which is made from bamboo and horse hair. Chinese still uses 笔 to represent modern writing instruments. 网 -> Fishing Net or Web. In modern society it also means Inter(net) or World Wide (Web). Website is 网站(lit. Web Post). 車 -> Chariot. Ancient Chinese battles were similar to the ancient Egyptian's. Nowadays 車 is used for cars and other vehicles. 火車(lit."Fire Chariot") -> Train Plenty of other things and ideas can be expressed by Chinese. It is a language that has evolved from the ancient hieroglyphic writing style to its present form. Of course one of its difficulties is in pronouncing the words. But my Chinese teacher used to say "Sounds change, words remain." Ancient Mandarin probably sounds different from modern Mandarin but the words still have the same meaning. That's why Kanji is exists.
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  2077.  @MarkYeung1  You said: "There's no question that one party government will not work in Taiwan" How can you say for sure? Previously, Taiwan had been under authoritarian single-party KMT rule for more than half its life. For decades the KMT ruled Taiwan with iron fist and Chiang kai-shek was a dictator who jailed and executed dissidents and political rivals (whether real or perceived) in a period known as White Terror (白色恐怖) and imposed martial law on Taiwan for more than 38 years, which was qualified as "the longest imposition of martial law by a regime anywhere in the world" at that time. But under authoritarian single-party KMT rule, Taiwan actually flourished and prospered, in what's known as the Taiwan Miracle (台湾奇迹). Between 1952 – 1982, Taiwan's economic growth was on average 8.7%, and between 1983 – 1986 at 6.9%. Taiwan GDP grew by 360% between 1965 – 1986. The percentage of global exports was over 2% in 1986, over other recently industrialized countries, and the global industrial production output grew a further 680% between 1965 – 1986. And its all been achieved under KMT leadership. Only in the late 1990s, when democracy was introduced (because USA threatened to cut off weapons sales to Taiwan) did Taiwan's economic growth became more modest. Since then, Taiwan's economy has stagnated, wages are stagnant, cost of living is rising, unemployment is rising and Taiwan graduates are increasingly seeking jobs abroad, such as in Singapore or mainland China.
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  2088. Here's an analogy taken off Weibo, to explain the Russo-Ukraine conflict in the form of a family drama: More than 20 years ago, Ukraine divorced her ex-husband (Russia), and took several children along with her. Still, the ex-husband was very accommodating to her and left her with a lot of family property. After that, the ex-husband also paid off more than 200 billion in debts for her. After getting rid of her ex-husband, Ukraine started flirting with the village chief (United States) and his harem of concubines (NATO countries) until she was completely ensnared in their arms. That's still acceptable to a certain point, (but) she was smitten with the village tyrant, and hooked up with him in a plan to attack her ex-husband. The ex-husband was very angry and had insisted on returning a child: Crimea. Crimea had opted to rejoin the father. Ukraine began to harboring grudges against her ex-husband, and dreams of someday marrying into the NATO family. But the truth is that the village chief didn't really want to marry Ukraine into the family. After all, she was high-maintenance and loved to pocket his money (corruption). His many wives also didn't want Ukraine to join family, but in front of Ukraine, they still gave Ukraine a false sense of hope. The village chief just wanted to use her like a pawn to bully her ex-husband. After 8 years of constant abuse, her two children (Donetsk and Luhansk) were crying and imploring for help from their father. The village chief was always on the sidelines in the ex-husband and wife quarrel, occasionally sending in expired items (ammunition) from time to time. Because of that, Ukraine thought she had someone to support her, and became even more presumptuous towards her ex-husband. The ex-husband could bear it no longer, took another glance at the poor treatment of the children, and rushed over in defense of his two children, so the ex husband and wife started fighting. Now, the village chief and his many wives are cheering on Ukraine from the sidelines, yet none of them are willing to lift an actual finger and partake in the fighting themselves. Ukraine is unlikely to marry into the NATO family, because that would mean that the village chief and his many wives would be obliged to join the fight against the ex-husband. ... Hopefully this analogy puts the Russo-Ukraine conflict into perspective and on a more relatable level.
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  2120.  @RockChatham  You said: "We saw what happened to Tibet" Previously, while Tibet was under Dalai Lama rule, Tibet was a brutal theocracy, where 95% of the population were slaves and the remaining 5% were slave owners. Tibetan mountainous soil is infertile, rainfall is scarce in the Himalayas, so the slaves had to work hard to feed the Tibetan population. Starvation was commonplace and theft of food was punished by torture, amputation and skinning. There's this Tibetan drum called damaru that's made from human skulls, a drumskin made of human skin and drumstick made of human bones. After Tibet's return to China, Chinese workers began rapidly modernizing Tibet, building roads, railways, streetlamps, running water and gas pipes and electric cables as well as introducing modern conveniences like cars, computers, telephone cables, smartphones, the Internet, WiFi, online shopping websites, and so on. Under the CPC, the first Tibetan colleges opened in Lhasa, offering degrees in both Tibetan and Mandarin languages. Chinese built hydroelectric power-stations were in Tibet to supply Tibetans with free, renewable energy to power their homes. Chinese workers also built the Qinghai-Lhasa railway (world's highest railway) through dangerous mountainous terrains, freezing temperatures and low-oxygen environments, to connect the normally isolated Tibet with the rest of the world. Tibet can now import food from the mainland to feed its population, and Tibet's population has tripled from 1 million in 1950s to over 3 million people today. A thriving tourist industry has even sprung up in Tibet.
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  2153.  @michaelkatz275  Western journalists have long been predicting China's economic downfall since 1990. 1990. The Economist: China's economy has come to a halt. 1996. The Economist: China's economy will face hard landing. 1998. The Economist: China's economy entering a dangerous period of sluggish growth. 1999. Bank of Canada: Likelihood of a hard landing for the Chinese economy. 2000. Chicago Tribune: China currency move nails hard landing risk coffin. 2001. Wilbanks, Smith & Thomas: A hard landing in China. 2002. Westchester University: China Anxiously Seeks A Soft Economic landing. 2003. KWR International: How to find a soft landing if China.. 2004. The Economist: The great fall of China? 2005. Nouriel Roubini: The Risk of a Hard Landing in China. 2006. International Economy: Can China Achieve a Soft Landing? 2007. TIME: Is China's Economy Overheating? Can China avoid a hard landing? 2008. Forbes: Hard Landing in China? 2009. Fortune: China's hard landing. China must find a way to recover. 2010. Nouriel Roubini: Hard landing coming in China. 2011. Business Insider: A Chinese Hard Landing May Be Closer Than You Think. 2012. American Interest: Dismal Economic News from China: A Hard Landing. 2013. Zero Hedge: A Hard Landing in China. 2014. CNBC: A hard landing in China. 2015. Forbes: Congratulations, You got Yourself A Chinese Hard Landing.... 2016. The Economist: Hard Landing looms for China. 2017. National Interest: Is China's Economy Going To Crash? 2018. The Daily Reckoning: China's Coming Financial Meltdown. 2019. Zero Hedge: Seven Reasons Why China Is Facing A Hard Landing In 2019 2020. Forbes: Remember The China 'Hard Landing'? We Got One. ... But its already 2022, and China's economy is still going strong. So why continue to believe China's economy will fall, given that Western journalist predictions about China's collapse been proven consistently wrong for 30 years already?
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  2165.  @CyrusJanssen  The Economist (and other Western journals) have been wrong about predicting China's economic downfall. Here's a compiled list: 1990. The Economist: China's economy has come to a halt. 1996. The Economist: China's economy will face hard landing. 1998. The Economist: China's economy entering a dangerous period of sluggish growth. 1999. Bank of Canada: Likelihood of a hard landing for the Chinese economy. 2000. Chicago Tribune: China currency move nails hard landing risk coffin. 2001. Wilbanks, Smith & Thomas: A hard landing in China. 2002. Westchester University: China Anxiously Seeks A Soft Economic landing. 2003. KWR International: How to find a soft landing if China.. 2004. The Economist: The great fall of China? 2005. Nouriel Roubini: The Risk of a Hard Landing in China. 2006. International Economy: Can China Achieve a Soft Landing? 2007. TIME: Is China's Economy Overheating? Can China avoid a hard landing? 2008. Forbes: Hard Landing in China? 2009. Fortune: China's hard landing. China must find a way to recover. 2010. Nouriel Roubini: Hard landing coming in China. 2011. Business Insider: A Chinese Hard Landing May Be Closer Than You Think. 2012. American Interest: Dismal Economic News from China: A Hard Landing. 2013. Zero Hedge: A Hard Landing in China. 2014. CNBC: A hard landing in China. 2015. Forbes: Congratulations, You got Yourself A Chinese Hard Landing.... 2016. The Economist: Hard Landing looms for China. 2017. National Interest: Is China's Economy Going To Crash? 2018. The Daily Reckoning: China's Coming Financial Meltdown. 2019. Zero Hedge: Seven Reasons Why China Is Facing A Hard Landing In 2019 2020. Forbes: Remember The China 'Hard Landing'? We Got One. ... But its already 2022, and China's economy is still going strong.
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  2189.  @seniorsergeanttomcroydon6401  Again, since you know so much about @mansana, why don't you go bother him instead of telling me all this? And regarding Fort Detrick, didn't Victoria Nuland just admitted in court that Ukraine has "bio research facilities"? If those bio labs in Ukraine were supposedly for peaceful purposes, why would Nuland be concerned about the "data falling into Russian hands"? Yet when Russia and China ask to investigate U.S biolabs like Fort Detrick, we get laughed at by Western MSM? You said: "I caught a senior University lecturer in my country (from China) making remarks about the justification of Russia's attacks on the Ukraine. When I asked him whether he was comfortable if the University knew about his activities, he pretended he wasn't the Professor, but oddly, the Professor quickly changed his YouTube name, threatened me with lawsuits, but deleted his LinkedIn page. His behaviour tells me he agrees that the University would view it as a breach of their ethics for making such posts." So this professor from China is lecturing in a University in your country? If there was truly "freedom of speech" in the West, then he should be able to make remarks justifying Russia's stance in your country. But it's apparent that Western countries are forcing people who voice a view different from the mainstream view is going to suffer consequences. Just look at the crackdown against Russians, Russian athletes and sportsmen, even Russian artists, musicians and composers are being pressured to condemn Putin or else. The fact that he fears your country's university singling him out as a breach of ethics just for voicing a different view is proof that there's no real freedom of speech in the West. You said: "Funny though, he acts like the West is crap but when threatened with losing his lifestyle, he becomes quiet about it." Of course, he should be able to make remarks justifying Russia's stance without facing backlash in the West, yet it's apparent that he fears for his job in your country's university only further shows that there's no real freedom of speech in the West.
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  2252. More than 20 years ago, Ukraine divorced her ex-husband (Russia), and took several children along with her. Still, the ex-husband was very accommodating to her and left her with a lot of family property. After that, the ex-husband also paid off more than 200 billion in debts for her. After getting rid of her ex-husband, Ukraine started flirting with the village chief (United States) and his harem of concubines (NATO countries) until she was completely ensnared in their arms. That's still acceptable to a certain point, (but) she was smitten with the village tyrant, and hooked up with him in a plan to attack her ex-husband. The ex-husband was very angry and had insisted on returning a child: Crimea. Ukraine began to harboring grudges against her ex-husband, and dreams of someday marrying into the NATO family. But the truth is that the village chief didn't really want to marry Ukraine into the family. After all, she was high-maintenance and loved to pocket his money (corruption). His many wives also didn't want Ukraine to join family, but in front of Ukraine, they were all smiles and encouraging her to join. The village chief just wanted to use her like a pawn to bully her ex-husband. After 8 years of constant abuse, her two children (Donetsk and Luhansk) were crying and imploring for help from their father. The village chief was always on the sidelines in the ex-husband and wife quarrel, occasionally sending in expired items (ammunition) from time to time. Because of that, Ukraine thought she had someone to support her, and became even more presumptuous towards her ex-husband. The ex-husband could bear it no longer, took another glance at the poor treatment of the children, and rushed over in defense of his two children, so the ex husband and wife started fighting. Now, the village chief and his many wives are cheering on Ukraine from the sidelines, yet none of them are willing to lift an actual finger and partake in the fighting themselves. Ukraine is unlikely to marry into the NATO family, because that would mean that the village chief and his many wives would be obliged to join the fight against the ex-husband. ... Hopefully this analogy taken off Weibo helps puts the Russo-Ukraine conflict into perspective and on a more relatable level.
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  2260.  @koblongata  What makes you claim China has no real Internet? China literally has the world's largest Internet population more than any other in the world. Here's a List of countries by number of Internet users: List of countries by number of Internet users 1. China (1,010,740,000) 2. India (833,710,000) 3. United States (312,320,000) 4. Indonesia (212,354,070) 5. Brazil (160,010,801) 6. Nigeria (136,203,231) 7. Bangladesh (129,180,000) 8. Russia (118,800,000) 9. Pakistan (117,400,000) ... Source: Wikipedia: List of countries by number of Internet users So there are virtually more Chinese Internet users than any other in the world. How is China a threat to the free world? China is currently at peace and not at war with any country, since our last major conflict in 1979. Instead of making war, China is building infrastructure like roads, railways, highways, bridges, tunnels, powerstations, dams, ports, airports, etc and investing in developing countries like Sri Lanka, Nepal, Bangladesh, Pakistan, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Tajikistan, and also African countries like Nigeria, Kenya, Chad, Sudan, Ghana, Mozambique, Tanzania, etc. Whereas the United States is warmonger being involved in Gulf War, Iraq War, Afghan War, Libyan War, Syrian War, Yemen War, etc, even in the 21st century. USA is bombing in those Middle Eastern countries and enacting regime change by cutting off their "heads" (Saddam Hussein, Muammar Gaddafi, etc) and then installing their own US puppet governments in place. If anything, it looks like the United States is the real threat to global peace and stability here.
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  2295. Daniel Vedberg Sekulic You claimed that I am definitely wrong to assume Tibetans are better off today then under the Dalai Lama? Then can you prove how I am definitely wrong then? Did the Tibetans have Internet at all, under the Dalai Lama rule? Today, China has the world's largest Internet population and thanks to that, Tibetans can enjoy Internet access and WiFi, allow the normally isolated place in the Himalayas, to enjoy better connectivity with rest of the world today. You claim Tibet prosperity is "outrightly wrong" then can you prove how it is outrightly wrong? Did Tibetans have any universities or schools, or hospitals, etc, prior to coming under Chinese control in 1951? I think you are confusing Xinjiang with Tibet, as they are both different provinces of China and have different demographic presence and religions. Tibetans are not Muslims, they are Buddhists and the Muslims in Xinjiang (the Uighurs) aren't Tibetans or Buddhists. And I believe both of those people enjoy better education, better healthcare, better housing, better amenities like running water, gas and electricity, under Chinese rule, than they did on their own. Countries all over the world recognize Tibet as an autonomous region of China. Which country today recognize Tibetan independence? Look at part 1:35 of the video, and Tibet was part of Qing dynasty China. Look at part 1:48 of the video and Tibet was part of Republic of China. Look at a Map of PRC today, and Tibet is part of China. You think that Buddhist philosophy alone can keep the people in Tibet fed? That by rejecting material wealth, desires and so on, it becomes an excuse to keep Tibet constantly poor and cut off from modernization? Do you know what Tibet was like under the Dalai Lama rule? It was brutal theocracy, where 95% of the population were slaves, and the 5% elites were slave owners. Tibetan mountainuous soil was infertile, and slaves had to work all day to produce enough food to feed the population, but thanks to modernization, Tibet can now import food from the mainland (through the Qinghai railway) to feed its population. More universities are built in Tibet, so Tibetans can go to school, graduate and venture into cities to find jobs. I mean, you think every Tibetan wants to be a yak farmer, or a monk? Because those two are virtually the ONLY options available to Tibetans under the Dalai Lama rule.
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  2376.  @gulamog5041  Westerners have long been predicting China's economic downfall. Here's a list: 1990. The Economist: China's economy has come to a halt. 1996. The Economist: China's economy will face hard landing. 1998. The Economist: China's economy entering a dangerous period of sluggish growth. 1999. Bank of Canada: Likelihood of a hard landing for the Chinese economy. 2000. Chicago Tribune: China currency move nails hard landing risk coffin. 2001. Wilbanks, Smith & Thomas: A hard landing in China. 2002. Westchester University: China Anxiously Seeks A Soft Economic landing. 2003. KWR International: How to find a soft landing if China.. 2004. The Economist: The great fall of China? 2005. Nouriel Roubini: The Risk of a Hard Landing in China. 2006. International Economy: Can China Achieve a Soft Landing? 2007. TIME: Is China's Economy Overheating? Can China avoid a hard landing? 2008. Forbes: Hard Landing in China? 2009. Fortune: China's hard landing. China must find a way to recover. 2010. Nouriel Roubini: Hard landing coming in China. 2011. Business Insider: A Chinese Hard Landing May Be Closer Than You Think. 2012. American Interest: Dismal Economic News from China: A Hard Landing. 2013. Zero Hedge: A Hard Landing in China. 2014. CNBC: A hard landing in China. 2015. Forbes: Congratulations, You got Yourself A Chinese Hard Landing.... 2016. The Economist: Hard Landing looms for China. 2017. National Interest: Is China's Economy Going To Crash? 2018. The Daily Reckoning: China's Coming Financial Meltdown. 2019. Zero Hedge: Seven Reasons Why China Is Facing A Hard Landing In 2019 2020. Forbes: Remember The China 'Hard Landing'? We Got One. ... But its already 2021, and China's economy is still going strong. So why continue to believe China's economy will fall, given that Western economist predictions about China's collapse been proven consistently wrong for 30 years already?
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  2377.  @junebug8485  You yourself admitted that the U.S gotten involved in Gulf War, Iraq War, Afghan War, Syrian War, Libyan War, Yemen War, how is the term "warmonger" inaccurate when describing the U.S? The fact remains that the U.S went to war with countries in the Middle East, so why is this term not accurate? Americans were initially not interested in the Gulf War, until testimony by a little girl (named Nayirah) emerged, claiming that Iraqi soldiers were taking incubators and leaving their baby occupants behind. The testimony was widely publicized, and was cited numerous times by U.S senators and President George H. W. Bush in their rationale to support Kuwait in the Gulf War. But it later turned out that the testimony was false, and that the alleged events did not occur. It was too late however, as the U.S had gotten involved in the Gulf War. The Iraq War was over President Bush's accusations of Iraq harboring WMDs, but after the Iraq War, no WMDs were ever found. According to Iraq Body Count, some 200,000 Iraqi civilians were killed as a result of the U.S war in Iraq. Even the UN Secretary-General Kofi Annan stated that the Iraq War was illegal and that it violated UN charter. Afghanistan wasn't responsible for 9/11, Osama bin Laden was killed in Pakistan. Yet the U.S occupied Afghanistan for 20 years, until the shambolic withdrawal from Kabul, causing panic among U.S allies stationed in Afghanistan. The democratically elected Afghan President Ghani fled the country with carloads of U.S cash. The 300,000 strong Afghan Army surrendered to the Taliban in weeks with minimal resistance. Libya did not attack any NATO country, why was NATO involved in the Libyan War? Under Muammar Gaddafi, Libya was arguable Africa's most prosperous democracy until the NATO intervention reduced Libya to a failed state today.
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  2382.  @mayurk8697  You sound like the headlines about China from Western magazines since 1990 1990. The Economist. China's economy has come to a halt. 1996. The Economist. China's economy will face a hard landing. 1998. The Economist: China's economy entering a dangerous period of sluggish growth. 1999. Bank of Canada: Likelihood of a hard landing for the Chinese economy. 2000. Chicago Tribune: China currency move nails hard landing risk coffin. 2001. Wilbanks, Smith & Thomas: A hard landing in China. 2002. Westchester University: China Anxiously Seeks a Soft Economic Landing. 2003. New York Times: Banking crisis imperils China. 2004. The Economist: The great fall of China? 2005. Nouriel Roubini: The Risk of a Hard Landing in China. 2006. International Economy: Can China Achieve a Soft Landing? 2007. TIME: Is China's Economy Overheating? Can China avoid a hard landing? 2008. Forbes: Hard Landing In China? 2009. Fortune: China's hard landing. China must find a way to recover. 2010: Nouriel Roubini: Hard landing coming in China. 2011: Business Insider: A Chinese Hard Landing May Be Closer Than You Think. 2012: American Interest: Dismal Economic News from China: A Hard Landing. 2013: Zero Hedge: A Hard Landing In China. 2014. CNBC: A hard landing in China. 2015. Forbes: Congratulations, You Got Yourself A Chinese Hard Landing. 2016. The Economist: Hard landing looms for China. 2017. National Interest: Is China's Economy Going To Crash. 2018. The Daily Reckoning: China's Coming Financial Meltdown. 2019. BBC: China's Economic Slowdown: How worried should we be? 2020. New York Times: Coronavirus Could End China's Decades-Long Economic Growth Streak. 2021. Bloomberg: Chinese economy risks deeper slowdown than markets realize. 2022. Bloomberg: China Surprise Data Could Spell RECESSION. 2023. Bloomberg: No word should be off-limits to describe China's faltering economy. ... Yet it's already 2024 and China's economy is still going strong.
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  2440.  Tenzin Sonam  Previously, while Tibet was under Dalai Lama rule, Tibet was a brutal theocracy, where 95% of the population were slaves and the remaining 5% elites were slave owners. Tibetan mountainous soil is infertile, rainfall is scarce in the Himalayas, so the slaves had to work hard to feed the Tibetan population. Starvation was commonplace and theft of food was punished by torture, amputation and even skinning. There's this Tibetan drum called damaru that's made from human skulls, a drumskin made of human skin and drumstick made of human bone. The Dalai Lama was overly worshipped and his followers fought for the right to consume his saliva, his urine and even his feces, because he was considered a divine vessel. After Tibet returned back to China, Chinese workers began rapidly modernising Tibet, building roads, railways, streetlamps, running water, gas and electricity as well as introducing modern amenities like cars, computers, telephone cables, smartphones, the Internet, WiFi, online shopping (from Taobao) and so on. Under CPC, the first Tibetan colleges opened in Lhasa, offering degrees in both Tibetan and Mandarin Chinese languages. Hydroelectric powerstations were built by Chinese to supply Tibetan homes with electricity. Source: List of universities and colleges in Tibet wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_universities_and_colleges_in_Tibet Source: List of major power stations in the Tibet Autonomous Region wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_major_power_stations_in_the_Tibet_Autonomous_Region Chinese workers built the Qinghai-Lhasa railway (world's highest elevation railway) through dangerous mountainous terrain and low oxygen environments, to connect the normally isolated Tibet with the rest of the world. Tibet can now import food from the mainland to feed its population, and Tibet's population has tripled from 1 million in 1950s to over 3 million people today. A thriving tourist industry has even sprung up in Tibet.
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  2477. 1990. The Economist. China's economy has come to a halt. 1996. The Economist. China's economy will face a hard landing. 1998. The Economist: China's economy entering a dangerous period of sluggish growth. 1999. Bank of Canada: Likelihood of a hard landing for the Chinese economy. 2000. Chicago Tribune: China currency move nails hard landing risk coffin. 2001. Wilbanks, Smith & Thomas: A hard landing in China. 2002. Westchester University: China Anxiously Seeks a Soft Economic Landing 2003. New York Times: Banking crisis imperils China 2004. The Economist: The great fall of China? 2005. Nouriel Roubini: The Risk of a Hard Landing in China 2006. International Economy: Can China Achieve a Soft Landing? 2007. TIME: Is China's Economy Overheating? Can China avoid a hard landing? 2008. Forbes: Hard Landing In China? 2009. Fortune: China's hard landing. China must find a way to recover. 2010: Nouriel Roubini: Hard landing coming in China. 2011: Business Insider: A Chinese Hard Landing May Be Closer Than You Think 2012: American Interest: Dismal Economic News from China: A Hard Landing 2013: Zero Hedge: A Hard Landing In China 2014. CNBC: A hard landing in China. 2015. Forbes: Congratulations, You Got Yourself A Chinese Hard Landing. 2016. The Economist: Hard landing looms for China 2017. National Interest: Is China's Economy Going To Crash? 2018. CNN: Forget the trade war, China's economy has other big problems 2020. Economics Explained: The Scary Solution to the Chinese Debt Crisis 2021. Global Economics: Has China's Downfall Started? ...
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  2485. Here's a Chinese analogy taken off Weibo, to explain the Russo-Ukraine conflict in the form of a family drama: More than 20 years ago, Ukraine divorced her ex-husband (Russia), and took several children along with her. Still, the ex-husband was very accommodating to her and left her with a lot of family property. After that, the ex-husband also paid off more than 200 billion in debts for her. After getting rid of her ex-husband, Ukraine started flirting with the village chief (United States) and his harem of concubines (NATO countries) until she was completely ensnared in their arms. That's still acceptable to a certain point, (but) she was smitten with the village tyrant, and hooked up with him in a plan to attack her ex-husband. The ex-husband was very angry and had insisted on returning a child: Crimea. Ukraine began to harboring grudges against her ex-husband, and dreams of someday marrying into the NATO family, which in turn open up a path to her ex-husband's doorstep. But the truth is that the village chief didn't really want to marry Ukraine into the family. After all, she was high-maintenance and loved to pocket his money (corruption). His many wives also didn't want Ukraine to join family, but in front of Ukraine, they were all smiles and encouraging her to join. The village chief just wanted to use her like a pawn to bully her ex-husband. After 8 years of constant abuse, her two children (Donetsk and Luhansk) were crying and imploring for help from their father. The village chief was always on the sidelines in the ex-husband and wife quarrel, occasionally sending in expired items (ammunition) from time to time. Because of that, Ukraine thought she had someone to support her, and became even more presumptuous towards her ex-husband. The ex-husband could bear it no longer, took another glance at the poor treatment of the children, and rushed over in defense of his two children, so the ex husband and wife started fighting. Now, the village chief and his many wives are cheering on Ukraine from the sidelines, yet none of them are willing to lift an actual finger and partake in the fighting themselves. Ukraine is unlikely to marry into the NATO family, because that would mean that the village chief and his many wives would be obliged to join the fight against the ex-husband. ... Hopefully this analogy puts the Russo-Ukraine conflict into perspective and on a more relatable level.
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  2505. Here's an analogy taken off Weibo, to explain the Russo-Ukraine conflict in the form of a family drama: More than 20 years ago, Ukraine divorced her ex-husband (Russia), and took several children along with her. Still, the ex-husband was very accommodating to her and left her with a lot of family property. After that, the ex-husband also paid off more than 200 billion in debts for her. After getting rid of her ex-husband, Ukraine started flirting with the village chief (United States) and his harem of concubines (NATO countries) until she was completely ensnared in their arms. That's still acceptable to a certain point, (but) she was smitten with the village tyrant, and hooked up with him in a plan to attack her ex-husband. The ex-husband was very angry and had insisted on returning a child: Crimea. Crimea had opted to rejoin the father. Ukraine began to harboring grudges against her ex-husband, and dreams of someday marrying into the NATO family. But the truth is that the village chief didn't really want to marry Ukraine into the family. After all, she was high-maintenance and loved to pocket his money (corruption). His many wives also didn't want Ukraine to join family, but in front of Ukraine, they still gave Ukraine a false sense of hope. The village chief just wanted to use her like a pawn to bully her ex-husband. After 8 years of constant abuse, her two children (Donetsk and Luhansk) were crying and imploring for help from their father. The village chief was always on the sidelines in the ex-husband and wife quarrel, occasionally sending in expired items (ammunition) from time to time. Because of that, Ukraine thought she had someone to support her, and became even more presumptuous towards her ex-husband. The ex-husband could bear it no longer, took another glance at the poor treatment of the children, and rushed over in defense of his two children, so the ex husband and wife started fighting. Now, the village chief and his many wives are cheering on Ukraine from the sidelines, yet none of them are willing to lift an actual finger and partake in the fighting themselves. Ukraine is unlikely to marry into the NATO family, because that would mean that the village chief and his many wives would be obliged to join the fight against the ex-husband. ... Hopefully this analogy puts the Russo-Ukraine conflict into perspective and on a more relatable level.
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  2524.  @songrunner3027  You said: "China is doomed. The next few years will vindicate that prediction." 1990. China's economy has come to a halt. The Economist 1996. China's economy will face a hard landing. The Economist 1998. China's economy’s dangerous period of sluggish growth. The Economist 1999. Likelihood of a hard landing for the Chinese economy. Bank of Canada 2000. China currency move nails hard landing risk coffin. Chicago Tribune 2001. A hard landing in China. Wilbanks, Smith & Thomas 2002. China Seeks a Soft Economic Landing. Westchester University 2003. Banking crisis imperils China. New York Times 2004. The great fall of China? The Economist 2005. The Risk of a Hard Landing in China. Nouriel Roubini 2006. Can China Achieve a Soft Landing? International Economy 2007. Can China avoid a hard landing? TIME 2008. Hard Landing In China? Forbes 2009. China's hard landing. China must find a way to recover. Fortune 2010: Hard landing coming in China. Nouriel Roubini 2011: Chinese Hard Landing Closer Than You Think. Business Insider 2012: Economic News from China: Hard Landing. American Interest 2013: A Hard Landing In China. Zero Hedge 2014. A hard landing in China. CNBC 2015. Congratulations, You Got Yourself A Chinese Hard Landing. Forbes 2016. Hard landing looms for China. The Economist 2017. Is China's Economy Going To Crash? National Interest 2018. China's Coming Financial Meltdown. The Daily Reckoning. 2019. China's Economic Slowdown: How worried should we be? BBC 2020. Coronavirus Could End China's Decades-Long Economic Growth Streak. NY Times 2021 Chinese economy risks deeper slowdown than markets realize. Bloomberg 2022. China Surprise Data Could Spell R-e-c-e-s-s-i-o-n. Bloomberg. 2023. No word should be off-limits to describe China's faltering economy. Bloomberg ... But it's already 2024 and China's economy is still going strong
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  2560. Here's a Chinese analogy taken off Weibo, to explain the Russo-Ukraine conflict in the form of a family drama: More than 20 years ago, Ukraine divorced her ex-husband (Russia), and took several children along with her. Still, the ex-husband was very accommodating to her and left her with a lot of family property. After that, the ex-husband also paid off more than 200 billion in debts for her. After getting rid of her ex-husband, Ukraine started flirting with the village chief (United States) and his harem of concubines (NATO countries) until she was completely ensnared in their arms. That's still acceptable to a certain point, (but) she was smitten with the village tyrant, and hooked up with him in a plan to attack her ex-husband. The ex-husband was very angry and had insisted on returning a child: Crimea. Ukraine began to harboring grudges against her ex-husband, and dreams of someday marrying into the NATO family, which in turn open up a path to her ex-husband's doorstep. But the truth is that the village chief didn't really want to marry Ukraine into the family. After all, she was high-maintenance and loved to pocket his money (corruption). His many wives also didn't want Ukraine to join family, but in front of Ukraine, they were all smiles and encouraging her to join. The village chief just wanted to use her like a pawn to bully her ex-husband. After 8 years of constant abuse, her two children (Donetsk and Luhansk) were crying and imploring for help from their father. The village chief was always on the sidelines in the ex-husband and wife quarrel, occasionally sending in expired items (ammunition) from time to time. Because of that, Ukraine thought she had someone to support her, and became even more presumptuous towards her ex-husband. The ex-husband could bear it no longer, took another glance at the poor treatment of the children, and rushed over in defense of his two children, so the ex husband and wife started fighting. Now, the village chief and his many wives are cheering on Ukraine from the sidelines, yet none of them are willing to lift an actual finger and partake in the fighting themselves. Ukraine is unlikely to marry into the NATO family, because that would mean that the village chief and his many wives would be obliged to join the fight against the ex-husband. ... Hopefully this analogy puts the Russo-Ukraine conflict into perspective and on a more relatable level.
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  2583.  @tory6733  Western economists have been predicting China's economic downfall since 1990s. 1990. The Economist: China's economy has come to a halt. 1996. The Economist: China's economy will face hard landing. 1998. The Economist: China's economy entering a dangerous period of sluggish growth. 1999. Bank of Canada: Likelihood of a hard landing for the Chinese economy. 2000. Chicago Tribune: China currency move nails hard landing risk coffin. 2001. Wilbanks, Smith & Thomas: A hard landing in China. 2002. Westchester University: China Anxiously Seeks A Soft Economic landing. 2003. KWR International: How to find a soft landing if China.. 2004. The Economist: The great fall of China? 2005. Nouriel Roubini: The Risk of a Hard Landing in China. 2006. International Economy: Can China Achieve a Soft Landing? 2007. TIME: Is China's Economy Overheating? Can China avoid a hard landing? 2008. Forbes: Hard Landing in China? 2009. Fortune: China's hard landing. China must find a way to recover. 2010. Nouriel Roubini: Hard landing coming in China. 2011. Business Insider: A Chinese Hard Landing May Be Closer Than You Think. 2012. American Interest: Dismal Economic News from China: A Hard Landing. 2013. Zero Hedge: A Hard Landing in China. 2014. CNBC: A hard landing in China. 2015. Forbes: Congratulations, You got Yourself A Chinese Hard Landing.... 2016. The Economist: Hard Landing looms for China. 2017. National Interest: Is China's Economy Going To Crash? 2018. The Daily Reckoning: China's Coming Financial Meltdown. ... ... But its already 2019, and China's economy is still going strong, so why continue believe Western anti-China propaganda, when their economic predictions been proven consistently wrong for almost 30 years already?
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  2584.  @SwedeenXBL  You said: "NATO now serves as a nuclear alliance, which Russia has now proven it's existance and why previous Soviet countries have joined NATO." How has Russia proven its existence? Russia has not launched any nukes against any other country, the only country to have done so is the United States of America. You said: "It's defensive for reasons I've already mentioned, once again do you actually have a reading disability?" What reasons have you given? I've stated that NATO is not a defensive organization, given its involvement in the bombing of Yugoslavia, and its involvement in Afghanistan War and Libyan War. You said: "I'm not gonna defend NATOs bombing of Yugoslavia just as little as i'm gonna defend USA in general, it's a disgrace on NATO." So NATO is clearly not a defensive organization, since NATO bombed Yugoslavia in 1999, yet why are you claiming that it is? You said: "The difference here is NATO isn't invading neighbouring countries to force them into NATO, which Russia is." Russia isn't trying to invade any country to force them into NATO, what are you talking about? In fact, Russia has repeatedly raised concerns over NATO's continued expansion into other countries. You said: "Yes, I'm well aware Ukraine uses Russian equipment but unfortunately for you the investigation concluded that the BUK in question came from the 53rd Anti-Aircraft Missile Brigade." The investigation's conclusion does not conclude that the BUK missile was fired by that specific brigade, only that it had possible origins from that brigade that's all. Just because a missile was traced back to a specific unit, does not mean that it was launched by said unit. In response, Russian President Vladimir Putin stated that Russia would analyse the JIT conclusion, but would acknowledge it only if it became party to the investigation. You said: "Would you allow the NATO countries involved and trust their investigation about civilian deaths during the Yugoslavian bombings? Didn't think so." Well, why was Ukraine allowed into the investigation into the shooting down of MH17, yet Russia wasn't invited? The shooting occurred near the Russian border, yet why wasn't Russia allowed to become party to the investigation?
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  2594. Here's a Chinese analogy taken off Weibo, to explain the Russo-Ukraine conflict in the form of a family drama: More than 20 years ago, Ukraine divorced her ex-husband (Russia), and took several children along with her. Still, the ex-husband was very accommodating to her and left her with a lot of family property. After that, the ex-husband also paid off more than 200 billion in debts for her. After getting rid of her ex-husband, Ukraine started flirting with the village chief (United States) and his harem of concubines (NATO countries) until she was completely ensnared in their arms. That's still acceptable to a certain point, (but) she was smitten with the village tyrant, and hooked up with him in a plan to attack her ex-husband. The ex-husband was very angry and had insisted on returning a child: Crimea. Ukraine began to harboring grudges against her ex-husband, and dreams of someday marrying into the NATO family, which in turn open up a path to her ex-husband's doorstep. But the truth is that the village chief didn't really want to marry Ukraine into the family. After all, she was high-maintenance and loved to pocket his money (corruption). His many wives also didn't want Ukraine to join family, but in front of Ukraine, they were all smiles and encouraging her to join. The village chief just wanted to use her like a pawn to bully her ex-husband. After 8 years of constant abuse, her two children (Donetsk and Luhansk) were crying and imploring for help from their father. The village chief was always on the sidelines in the ex-husband and wife quarrel, occasionally sending in expired items (ammunition) from time to time. Because of that, Ukraine thought she had someone to support her, and became even more presumptuous towards her ex-husband. The ex-husband could bear it no longer, took another glance at the poor treatment of the children, and rushed over in defense of his two children, so the ex husband and wife started fighting. Now, the village chief and his many wives are cheering on Ukraine from the sidelines, yet none of them are willing to lift an actual finger and partake in the fighting themselves. Ukraine is unlikely to marry into the NATO family, because that would mean that the village chief and his many wives would be obliged to join the fight against the ex-husband. ... Hopefully this analogy puts the Russo-Ukraine conflict into perspective and on a more relatable level.
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  2610. Here's a Chinese analogy taken off Weibo, to explain the Russo-Ukraine conflict in the form of a family drama: More than 20 years ago, Ukraine divorced her ex-husband (Russia), and took several children along with her. Still, the ex-husband was very accommodating to her and left her with a lot of family property. After that, the ex-husband also paid off more than 200 billion in debts for her. After getting rid of her ex-husband, Ukraine started flirting with the village chief (United States) and his harem of concubines (NATO countries) until she was completely ensnared in their arms. That's still acceptable to a certain point, (but) she was smitten with the village tyrant, and hooked up with him in a plan to attack her ex-husband. The ex-husband was very angry and had insisted on returning a child: Crimea. Ukraine began to harboring grudges against her ex-husband, and dreams of someday marrying into the NATO family. But the truth is that the village chief didn't really want to marry Ukraine into the family. After all, she was high-maintenance and loved to pocket his money (corruption). His many wives also didn't want Ukraine to join family, but in front of Ukraine, they were all smiles and encouraging her to join. The village chief just wanted to use her like a pawn to bully her ex-husband. After 8 years of constant abuse, her two children (Donetsk and Luhansk) were crying and imploring for help from their father. The village chief was always on the sidelines in the ex-husband and wife quarrel, occasionally sending in expired items (ammunition) from time to time. Because of that, Ukraine thought she had someone to support her, and became even more presumptuous towards her ex-husband. The ex-husband could bear it no longer, took another glance at the poor treatment of the children, and rushed over in defense of his two children, so the ex husband and wife started fighting. Now, the village chief and his many wives are cheering on Ukraine from the sidelines, yet none of them are willing to lift an actual finger and partake in the fighting themselves. Ukraine is unlikely to marry into the NATO family, because that would mean that the village chief and his many wives would be obliged to join the fight against the ex-husband. ... Hopefully this analogy puts the Russo-Ukraine conflict into perspective and on a more relatable level.
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  2617. +Daniel Vedberg Sekulic Tibet has been part of China since 800 years ago, when the Mongolians conquered both Tibet and Song dynasty China, and made them part of Yuan dynasty China. And since when did any country recognized Tibetan independence at all? USA, UK, France, Russia, Germany, etc, they all accept Tibet as an autonomous region of China. Life for Tibetans did improve, and I already quoted various examples to prove my case. But you just claim that life didn't improve in Tibet, then why don't you show exactly how? Tibet broke free of Qing China in 1912 and was reincorporated back in 1951, so for 39 years it was beyond China's control, but it doesn't mean that it was recognized as its own independent state by other countries. Which country recognized Tibetan independence then during that period? In 1951, The Dalai Lama signed the Seventeen Point Agreement for the Peaceful Liberation of Tibet and affirmed Chinese sovereignty over Tibet. You said so yourself that "What kind of Tibetian have the economy to buy these things since the majority is at best farmers the standard of life in tibet have been quite the same for a long time." But now, Tibetans have the money to spend on cars, electricity, smartphones, computers, Internet and WiFi, so why do you still claim "Did life improve in Tibet?" so aren't you contradicting yourself a bit here? Yes, its true that there is usually poor Internet reception and mobile phone coverage in mountainous regions. But thanks to the mainland building telecommunications infrastructure in Tibet, people and tourists in Tibet can enjoy decent mobile phone coverage and Internet, even in such a remote location like the Himalayas. And Tibet didn't even have electricity or gas in their houses, prior to 1951. Yet you still claim "Did life improve in Tibet?" Since when is Tibet off limits to foreigners? So many tourists, both foreign and local, visit Tibet every day to pray at its temples during pilgrimages, go on mountain hikes, and so on. Ever since the Qinghai railway was built to connect Tibet to rest of the world, the tourism industry in Tibet has expanded rapidly and slowly becoming part of its economy. Why don't you yourself drop by Tibet one day and see for yourself what life is like over there? Self-Immolation originated in India not Tibet, and the radical practice spread to Tibet over the years. Despite what Western media keep portraying about self-immolations in Tibet, since 2008, there have only been 100 or so self-immolations in a decade and these people are usually indoctrinated to risk their life for Western political agenda. I mean, why would any sane person burn themselves for long lost political cause? Why not work hard, go to school, graduate, get a job and start a family like most people do today? Some Tibetans may be radical in their beliefs, but that doesn't mean all Tibetans want that sort of life. I mean, look at self-immolation in India for example, where as many as 1,451 and 1,584 self-immolations have been reported in 2000 and 2001, respectively. What's up with that? I mean, 1,000+ self-immolations in a single year, whereas in Tibet, it is an accumulated 100+ self-immolations over a period of 10 years (2008-2017) so which is worst? Where did you get your sources about poverty statistics in China? According to World Bank, China’s poverty rate fell from 88% in 1981 to mere 6.5% in 2012. According to UNESCO, adult literacy rate of China increased from 65.5% in 1982 to a whopping 96.4% in 2015 growing at an average annual rate of 10.39%. This is an impressive feat, considering that China is world's most populous country, yet managing to achieve 6.5% poverty and 96.5% literacy given such huge population. I mean, at least I am talking about real life examples, using statistics to support my case, but all you do is claim "Did life improve in Tibet" without going on to elaborate your point.
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  2669.  @everythingandmore5537  Previously, while Tibet was under Dalai Lama rule, Tibet was a brutal theocracy, where 95% of the population were slaves and the remaining 5% elites were slave owners. Tibetan mountainous soil is infertile, rainfall is scarce in the Himalayas, so the slaves had to work hard to feed the Tibetan population. Starvation was commonplace and theft of food was punished by torture, amputation and even skinning. There's this Tibetan drum called damaru that's made from human skulls, a drumskin made of human skin and drumstick made of human bone. The Dalai Lama was overly worshipped and his followers fought for the right to consume his saliva, his urine and even his feces, because he was considered a divine vessel. After Tibet returned back to China, Chinese workers began rapidly modernising Tibet, building roads, railways, streetlamps, running water, gas and electricity as well as introducing modern amenities like cars, computers, telephone cables, smartphones, the Internet, WiFi, online shopping (from Taobao) and so on. Under CPC, the first Tibetan colleges opened in Lhasa, offering degrees in both Tibetan and Mandarin Chinese languages. Hydroelectric powerstations were built by Chinese to supply Tibetan homes with electricity. Source: List of universities and colleges in Tibet wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_universities_and_colleges_in_Tibet Source: List of major power stations in the Tibet Autonomous Region wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_major_power_stations_in_the_Tibet_Autonomous_Region Chinese workers built the Qinghai-Lhasa railway (world's highest elevation railway) through dangerous mountainous terrain and low oxygen environments, to connect the normally isolated Tibet with the rest of the world. Tibet can now import food from the mainland to feed its population, and Tibet's population has tripled from 1 million in 1950s to over 3 million people today. A thriving tourist industry has even sprung up in Tibet.
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  2744. What "Fact Check" is this? Previously, while Tibet was under Dalai Lama rule, Tibet was a brutal theocracy, where 95% of the population were slaves and the remaining 5% elites were slave owners. Tibetan mountainous soil is infertile, rainfall is scarce in the Himalayas, so the slaves had to work hard to feed the Tibetan population. Starvation was commonplace and theft of food was punished by torture, amputation and even skinning. There's this Tibetan drum called damaru that's made from human skulls, a drumskin made of human skin and drumstick made of human bone. The Dalai Lama was overly worshipped and his followers fought for the right to consume his saliva, his urine and even his feces, because he was considered a divine vessel. After Tibet returned back to China, Chinese workers began rapidly modernising Tibet, building roads, railways, streetlamps, running water, gas and electricity as well as introducing modern amenities like cars, computers, telephone cables, smartphones, the Internet, WiFi, online shopping (from Taobao) and so on. Under CPC, the first Tibetan colleges opened in Lhasa, offering degrees in both Tibetan and Mandarin Chinese languages. Hydroelectric powerstations were built by Chinese to supply Tibetan homes with electricity. Source: List of universities and colleges in Tibet wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_universities_and_colleges_in_Tibet Source: List of major power stations in the Tibet Autonomous Region wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_major_power_stations_in_the_Tibet_Autonomous_Region Chinese workers built the Qinghai-Lhasa railway (world's highest elevation railway) through dangerous mountainous terrain and low oxygen environments, to connect the normally isolated Tibet with the rest of the world. Tibet can now import food from the mainland to feed its population, and Tibet's population has tripled from 1 million in 1950s to over 3 million people today. A thriving tourist industry has even sprung up in Tibet.
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  2754. Western economists have been predicting China's economic downfall since 1990s. Here is compiled list of what Western journalists have to say about China's economy 1990. The Economist: China's economy has come to a halt. 1996. The Economist: China's economy will face hard landing. 1998. The Economist: China's economy entering a dangerous period of sluggish growth. 1999. Bank of Canada: Likelihood of a hard landing for the Chinese economy. 2000. Chicago Tribune: China currency move nails hard landing risk coffin. 2001. Wilbanks, Smith & Thomas: A hard landing in China. 2002. Westchester University: China Anxiously Seeks A Soft Economic landing. 2003. KWR International: How to find a soft landing if China.. 2004. The Economist: The great fall of China? 2005. Nouriel Roubini: The Risk of a Hard Landing in China. 2006. International Economy: Can China Achieve a Soft Landing? 2007. TIME: Is China's Economy Overheating? Can China avoid a hard landing? 2008. Forbes: Hard Landing in China? 2009. Fortune: China's hard landing. China must find a way to recover. 2010. Nouriel Roubini: Hard landing coming in China. 2011. Business Insider: A Chinese Hard Landing May Be Closer Than You Think. 2012. American Interest: Dismal Economic News from China: A Hard Landing. 2013. Zero Hedge: A Hard Landing in China. 2014. CNBC: A hard landing in China. 2015. Forbes: Congratulations, You got Yourself A Chinese Hard Landing.... 2016. The Economist: Hard Landing looms for China. But its already 2018 and China's economy is still going strong, so its blatantly obvious that Western propagandists are lying about China's economic downfall for almost 30 years. At some point, you stop believing what Westerners say about China being on the brink of collapse.
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  2760. Here's a Chinese analogy taken off Weibo, to explain the Russo-Ukraine conflict in the form of a family drama: More than 20 years ago, Ukraine divorced her ex-husband (Russia), and took several children along with her. Still, the ex-husband was very accommodating to her and left her with a lot of family property. After that, the ex-husband also paid off more than 200 billion in debts for her. After getting rid of her ex-husband, Ukraine started flirting with the village chief (United States) and his harem of concubines (NATO countries) until she was completely ensnared in their arms. That's still acceptable to a certain point, (but) she was smitten with the village tyrant, and hooked up with him in a plan to attack her ex-husband. The ex-husband was very angry and had insisted on returning a child: Crimea. Ukraine began to harboring grudges against her ex-husband, and dreams of someday marrying into the NATO family, which in turn open up a path to her ex-husband's doorstep. But the truth is that the village chief didn't really want to marry Ukraine into the family. After all, she was high-maintenance and loved to pocket his money (corruption). His many wives also didn't want Ukraine to join family, but in front of Ukraine, they were all smiles and encouraging her to join. The village chief just wanted to use her like a pawn to bully her ex-husband. After 8 years of constant abuse, her two children (Donetsk and Luhansk) were crying and imploring for help from their father. The village chief was always on the sidelines in the ex-husband and wife quarrel, occasionally sending in expired items (ammunition) from time to time. Because of that, Ukraine thought she had someone to support her, and became even more presumptuous towards her ex-husband. The ex-husband could bear it no longer, took another glance at the poor treatment of the children, and rushed over in defense of his two children, so the ex husband and wife started fighting. Now, the village chief and his many wives are cheering on Ukraine from the sidelines, yet none of them are willing to lift an actual finger and partake in the fighting themselves. Ukraine is unlikely to marry into the NATO family, because that would mean that the village chief and his many wives would be obliged to join the fight against the ex-husband. ... Hopefully this analogy puts the Russo-Ukraine conflict into perspective and on a more relatable level.
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  2824. More than 20 years ago, Ukraine divorced her ex-husband (Russia), and took several children along with her. Still, the ex-husband was very accommodating to her and left her with a lot of family property. After that, the ex-husband also paid off more than 200 billion in debts for her. After getting rid of her ex-husband, Ukraine started flirting with the village chief (United States) and his harem of concubines (NATO countries) until she was completely ensnared in their arms. That's still acceptable to a certain point, (but) she was smitten with the village tyrant, and hooked up with him in a plan to attack her ex-husband. The ex-husband was very angry and had insisted on returning a child: Crimea. Ukraine began to harboring grudges against her ex-husband, and dreams of someday marrying into the NATO family. But the truth is that the village chief didn't really want to marry Ukraine into the family. After all, she was high-maintenance and loved to pocket his money (corruption). His many wives also didn't want Ukraine to join family, but in front of Ukraine, they were all smiles and encouraging her to join. The village chief just wanted to use her like a pawn to bully her ex-husband. After 8 years of constant abuse, her two children (Donetsk and Luhansk) were crying and imploring for help from their father. The village chief was always on the sidelines in the ex-husband and wife quarrel, occasionally sending in expired items (ammunition) from time to time. Because of that, Ukraine thought she had someone to support her, and became even more presumptuous towards her ex-husband. The ex-husband could bear it no longer, took another glance at the poor treatment of the children, and rushed over in defense of his two children, so the ex husband and wife started fighting. Now, the village chief and his many wives are cheering on Ukraine from the sidelines, yet none of them are willing to lift an actual finger and partake in the fighting themselves. Ukraine is unlikely to marry into the NATO family, because that would mean that the village chief and his many wives would be obliged to join the fight against the ex-husband. ... Hopefully this analogy taken off Weibo helps puts the Russo-Ukraine conflict into perspective and on a more relatable level.
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  2914.  SS3 Super  Previously, while Tibet was under Dalai Lama rule, Tibet was a brutal theocracy, where 95% of the population were slaves and the remaining 5% elites were slave owners. Tibetan mountainous soil is infertile, rainfall is scarce in the Himalayas, so the slaves had to work hard to feed the Tibetan population. Starvation was commonplace and theft of food was punished by torture, amputation and even skinning. There's this Tibetan drum called damaru that's made from human skulls, a drumskin made of human skin and drumstick made of human bone. The Dalai Lama was overly worshipped and his followers fought for the right to consume his saliva, his urine and even his feces, because he was considered a divine vessel. After Tibet returned back to China, Chinese workers began rapidly modernising Tibet, building roads, railways, streetlamps, running water, gas and electricity as well as introducing modern amenities like cars, computers, telephone cables, smartphones, the Internet, WiFi, online shopping (from Taobao) and so on. Under CPC, the first Tibetan colleges opened in Lhasa, offering degrees in both Tibetan and Mandarin Chinese languages. Hydroelectric powerstations were built by Chinese to supply Tibetan homes with electricity. Source: List of universities and colleges in Tibet wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_universities_and_colleges_in_Tibet Source: List of major power stations in the Tibet Autonomous Region wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_major_power_stations_in_the_Tibet_Autonomous_Region Chinese workers built the Qinghai-Lhasa railway (world's highest elevation railway) through dangerous mountainous terrain and low oxygen environments, to connect the normally isolated Tibet with the rest of the world. Tibet can now import food from the mainland to feed its population, and Tibet's population has tripled from 1 million in 1950s to over 3 million people today. A thriving tourist industry has even sprung up in Tibet.
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  2920.  @andrenogueira5058  "神州 Shenzhou Fact: a substantial part - if not all - of Chinese debt was wasted in a mix of useless investments" Do you have evidence to substantiate your claims? Sri Lanka has opened a new railway line in 2019, The 26.75-km long Matara-Beliatta railway extension, built with China's assistance, connecting its coastal city of Matara and Beliatta, a move which will boost passenger traffic. You said: "The people of Sri Lanka are paying the heavy price of it and the corruption fueled by the Chinese "partners". " If anything, by investing in infrastructure, China is able to circumvent corruption in Sri Lanka because the money gets spent on actual, tangible benefits for the people of Sri Lanka, before it has a chance to get pocketed by corrupt officials. There's no way a corrupt official can pocket an entire railway line that's been built and opened to the public, isn't it? You said: "So, your argument is futile, just a biased and useless attempt to assert Chinese reckless lending policies." I use logic, cite examples and sources to support my argument. China only makes up 10% of Sri Lanka's debt, the remaining 90% of Sri Lanka's debt is owned by the West (including Japan and India), yet it seems you're determined to simply pin the blame of Sri Lanka's woes onto China that's all. You said: "In Sri Lanka's case, Chinese debt was just a great nail in its coffin." Once again, when you fill a glass beyond the brim until it overflows, how can you just blame the 10% extra water, instead of the 90% water that's already in the glass? It's like you just trying to pin the blame for Sri Lanka's economic woes on China that's all.
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  3065. Here's an analogy taken off Weibo, to explain the Russo-Ukraine conflict in the form of a family drama: More than 20 years ago, Ukraine divorced her ex-husband (Russia), and took several children along with her. Still, the ex-husband was very accommodating to her and left her with a lot of family property. After that, the ex-husband also paid off more than 200 billion in debts for her. After getting rid of her ex-husband, Ukraine started flirting with the village chief (United States) and his harem of concubines (NATO countries) until she was completely ensnared in their arms. That's still acceptable to a certain point, (but) she was smitten with the village tyrant, and hooked up with him in a plan to attack her ex-husband. The ex-husband was very angry and had insisted on returning a child: Crimea. Ukraine began to harboring grudges against her ex-husband, and dreams of someday marrying into the NATO family. But the truth is that the village chief didn't really want to marry Ukraine into the family. After all, she was high-maintenance and loved to pocket his money (corruption). His many wives also didn't want Ukraine to join family, but in front of Ukraine, they were all smiles and encouraging her to join. The village chief just wanted to use her like a pawn to bully her ex-husband. After 8 years of constant abuse, her two children (Donetsk and Luhansk) were crying and imploring for help from their father. The village chief was always on the sidelines in the ex-husband and wife quarrel, occasionally sending in expired items (ammunition) from time to time. Because of that, Ukraine thought she had someone to support her, and became even more presumptuous towards her ex-husband. The ex-husband could bear it no longer, took another glance at the poor treatment of the children, and rushed over in defense of his two children, so the ex husband and wife started fighting. Now, the village chief and his many wives are cheering on Ukraine from the sidelines, yet none of them are willing to lift an actual finger and partake in the fighting themselves. Ukraine is unlikely to marry into the NATO family, because that would mean that the village chief and his many wives would be obliged to join the fight against the ex-husband. ... Hopefully this analogy puts the Russo-Ukraine conflict into perspective and on a more relatable level.
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  3068. Ah maybe I should have phrased it differently. When I meant forced on to natives I meant it being spread in a more subtle way. The invaders usually teach their language to a few educated (or holding positions of power) people and let them be the leaders and translators of the nation. The British and Spanish Empires are good examples (which is why Mexicans speak Spanish till today). A well-established language like English and France would only result in a few word transfers whereas less developed nations would probably be force to adopt an entire language. Even after the invaders have left, the language may be adopted by natives (it has been "seeded into the native soil, waiting to sprout in future generations"). Thus, we have the proliferation of English across the globe from the British Empire. As for the second part, I did not claim that China was completely unique, but "one of the few". The method you described does occur, but it was difficult, dangerous and expensive to send people abroad. Only wealthy nobles with many children to spare could afford to do so. This form of language transfer probably has minimal effect on the local language. I was actually trying to say that Kanji was not forced onto Japan by China and that they could choose to drop it anytime, like Vietnam and Korea. Chinese characters were created to suit China and that there will be problems if you borrow it as Kanji. There was no need to call this writting system horrible. In fact let me show you an example. 子 -> Child, 老 -> Old person, So 孝 -> Filial (Elder supported by Child, Confucius Belief) and if we add 文 -> Culture, we get 教 -> Teach (Parent talking to Child about Culture) Just to show that there's logic behind these characters.
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  3138. Here's a Chinese analogy taken off Weibo, to explain the Russo-Ukraine conflict in the form of a family drama: More than 20 years ago, Ukraine divorced her ex-husband (Russia), and took several children along with her. Still, the ex-husband was very accommodating to her and left her with a lot of family property. After that, the ex-husband also paid off more than 200 billion in debts for her. After getting rid of her ex-husband, Ukraine started flirting with the village chief (United States) and his harem of concubines (NATO countries) until she was completely ensnared in their arms. That's still acceptable to a certain point, (but) she was smitten with the village tyrant, and hooked up with him in a plan to attack her ex-husband. The ex-husband was very angry and had insisted on returning a child: Crimea. Ukraine began to harboring grudges against her ex-husband, and dreams of someday marrying into the NATO family, which in turn open up a path to her ex-husband's doorstep. But the truth is that the village chief didn't really want to marry Ukraine into the family. After all, she was high-maintenance and loved to pocket his money (corruption). His many wives also didn't want Ukraine to join family, but in front of Ukraine, they were all smiles and encouraging her to join. The village chief just wanted to use her like a pawn to bully her ex-husband. After 8 years of constant abuse, her two children (Donetsk and Luhansk) were crying and imploring for help from their father. The village chief was always on the sidelines in the ex-husband and wife quarrel, occasionally sending in expired items (ammunition) from time to time. Because of that, Ukraine thought she had someone to support her, and became even more presumptuous towards her ex-husband. The ex-husband could bear it no longer, took another glance at the poor treatment of the children, and rushed over in defense of his two children, so the ex husband and wife started fighting. Now, the village chief and his many wives are cheering on Ukraine from the sidelines, yet none of them are willing to lift an actual finger and partake in the fighting themselves. Ukraine is unlikely to marry into the NATO family, because that would mean that the village chief and his many wives would be obliged to join the fight against the ex-husband. ... Hopefully this analogy puts the Russo-Ukraine conflict into perspective and on a more relatable level.
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  3213. Here's the Chinese way to explain the Ukraine/Russia war in the form of a family drama to help clear up confusion about the situation: More than 20 years ago, Ukraine divorced her ex-husband (Russia), taking several children along with her. Still, the ex-husband was very accommodating to her and generously left her with a lot of family property as well as paying off more than 200 billion in debts for her. After getting rid of her ex-husband, Ukraine started flirting with the village chief (United States) and his harem of concubines (i.e NATO countries) until she was completely ensnared in their arms. That's still acceptable to a certain degree, (but) she was enraptured with the village tyrant, and hooked up with him in a plan to attack her ex-husband. The ex-husband was very angry and had insisted on returning a child: Crimea. Ukraine began to harboring grudges against her ex-husband, and someday dreams of marrying into the NATO family, and of surrounding and constricting her ex-husband. The village chief didn't really want to marry Ukraine into the NATO family, because she was high-maintenance and loved to splurge money. Even his many wives did not want her into the family, yet they still encouraged her to join the family. In truth, the village chief just wanted to use her like a pawn to bully her ex-husband. After 8 years of constant abuse, her two children (Donetsk and Luhansk) were crying and imploring for help from their father. The village chief was always on the sidelines in the ex husband and wife conflict, occasionally sending in expired items (ammunition) from time to time. Ukraine thought she had someone to support her, and became even more presumptuous towards her ex-husband. The ex-husband could bear it no longer, took another glance at the poor treatment of the children, and rushed over in defense of his two children, so the ex husband and wife started fighting. Now, the village chief and his many wives are cheering on Ukraine from the sidelines, yet none of them are willing to lift a finger and partake in the actual fighting themselves. Ukraine is unlikely to marry into the NATO family, because that would mean that the village chief and his many wives would have to join the fight against the ex-husband. ... Hopefully this helps clear up any confusion in the Ukraine/Russian war and puts it on a more relatable level.
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  3265. Here's the Chinese analogy to explain the Ukraine/Russia war in the form of a family drama to help clear up confusion about the situation: More than 20 years ago, Ukraine divorced her ex-husband (Russia), taking several children along with her. Still, the ex-husband was very accommodating to her and generously left her with a lot of family property as well as paying off more than 200 billion in debts for her. After getting rid of her ex-husband, Ukraine started flirting with the village chief (United States) and his harem of concubines (i.e NATO countries) until she was completely ensnared in their arms. That's still acceptable to a certain degree, (but) she was enraptured with the village tyrant, and hooked up with him in a plan to attack her ex-husband. The ex-husband was very angry and had insisted on returning a child: Crimea. Ukraine began to harboring grudges against her ex-husband, and someday dreams of marrying into the NATO family, and of surrounding and constricting her ex-husband. The village chief didn't really want to marry Ukraine into the NATO family, because she was high-maintenance and loved to splurge money. Even his many wives did not want her into the family, yet they still encouraged her to join the family. In truth, the village chief just wanted to use her like a pawn to bully her ex-husband. After 8 years of constant abuse, her two children (Donetsk and Luhansk) were crying and imploring for help from their father. The village chief was always on the sidelines in the ex husband and wife conflict, occasionally sending in expired items (ammunition) from time to time. Ukraine thought she had someone to support her, and became even more presumptuous towards her ex-husband. The ex-husband could bear it no longer, took another glance at the poor treatment of the children, and rushed over in defense of his two children, so the ex husband and wife started fighting. Now, the village chief and his many wives are cheering on Ukraine from the sidelines, yet none of them are willing to lift a finger and partake in the actual fighting themselves. Ukraine is unlikely to marry into the NATO family, because that would mean that the village chief and his many wives would have to join the fight against the ex-husband. ... Hopefully this helps clear up any confusion in the Ukraine/Russian war and puts it on a more relatable level.
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  3277.  @fl338  Well not just China alone, but also India (self-declared world's largest democracy) has also similarly abstained from voting against Russia in the UN General Assembly, as has Pakistan and some other countries in the minority. But if you combine the populations of the minority countries that either abstained or voted in support of Russia, including China, India, Pakistan, and African and South American countries, it accounts for more than half of the world's population. And regarding Chernobyl, Russian forces have negotiated with Ukrainian troops defending the nuclear power plant and have reached an agreement those troops. There hasn't been any reports of a surge in nuclear contamination in Chernobyl by IAEA. And about the news of Zaporizhzhia nuclear reactor catching fire, it turns out that it was a facility outside the nuclear reactor that caught fire, not the actual nuclear reactor itself. As for the ICJ, Russia had formally justified the attack in a letter to the UN secretary general on grounds of self-defence, not on genocide. So the whole premise of the ICJ ruling based on genocide is groundless, and that ICJ does not have jurisdiction over the matter since Russia is acting in the interests of self-defense, not genocide. Lastly, regarding Ukrainian biolabs, Victoria Nuland has testified in court that Ukraine has "biological research facilities". If those facilities were supposedly for peaceful, civilian purposes, then why is Nuland so concerned about the data supposedly "falling into the hands" of Russians? You said: "Only Russia and China accepted the Russian allegations." India has also expressed concern over the allegations of biological activities in Ukraine.
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  3283. Daniel Vedberg Sekulic Then can you tell me which countries today recognised Tibetan independence? The UN countries (USA, UK, France, Russia, Germany, Canada, etc) all recognise that Tibet is autonomous region of China today, so where's the basis for your argument that Tibet is its own sovereign state? Nobody in UN brings up the issue Tibetan independence to China during all those UN meetings, so doesn't that mean that they accept China's sovereignty over Tibet? You claim China nullify our own treaty with Tibet, but when did China ever do that? You claim that my argument one sided, then look at yours. You asked "Did life in Tibet improved?" and I already shown how much life in Tibet has improved didn't I? If the KMT or Mongolian want to claim China from the PLA, then they are always welcome to try and take back China from us. Nobody is stopping those governments going to UN to reclaim China isn't it? In fact, it was the UN decision to stop recognising the Republic of China in 1971, and to recognise People's Republic of China as China. How is this flawed logic then? Just like why you keep saying Westerners aren't allowed to Tibet? So many Western tourists come to Tibet every year to take pictures there, so where's the basis for your one sided argument? At least I quoted articles to support my claims, but all you done is make dubious claims without supporting your point at all. For example, Tibet received a record 10 million tourists, both foreign and local in 2012, so why do you claim Westerners aren't allowed to visit Tibet? Where's your proof?
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  3350.  @padraicley3265  "神州 Shenzhou Most former Eastern block countries left mother USSR the ex-husband is so great." But that was the former Soviet Union, you specifically said "Russia Putin" and Putin's presidency was inaugurated in the Kremlin on 7 May 2012, so which "ex-wife" was beaten up post 2012, after Putin was in power? You said: "Russia has a GDP of Texas after Putin in power for 20 years" Well, Ukraine has a GDP 10 times smaller than Russia/Texas, so it already throws your claim that "The Ex-husband is getting angry the ex-wife is doing better than he ever can and decide to ruin her." out the window, since Ukraine wasn't doing better than Russia. You said: "discriminates the LGBT community," The ultranationalist, neo nazis in Ukraine like the Azov Battalion have made homophobic remarks. One of the Azov members even boasted that if not for them, the Maidan Protest would be (in his words) a "gay parade" You said: "Poison opposite party leaders in his country." Ukraine jails their opposition members too. You said: " A low self esteme ex-husband alright." But Russia's GDP is 10 times that of Ukraine, how's that low esteem? Ukraine appears to be the one with low esteem, as it thinks joining NATO and EU will somehow improve their economy, but it's apparent that for all their encouragement of Ukraine joining NATO, they aren't going to let that happen, because it would mean NATO would be obliged to send reinforcements to defend Ukraine if it were a member. Why would a low-esteem husband be willing to take on the village bully (USA) and his harem of wives (NATO countries), if he had low self-esteem? He must be supremely confident in his ability to handle whatever the West throws at him, this is basically the opposite of low self-esteem right here. You said: "You may not understand economic, debt is necessary for growth." But you said the ex-husband borrowed from the mob, yet Russia is ranked 14th in the world with the lowest debt. You said: "High debt nations like Japan, the US and even China are doing well" Macao SAR has 0% debt compared to its GDP, and Hong Kong SAR has 0.99% debt compared to its GDP, yet they are developing alright. You said: "Is he really asking Communist China for money and weapon?" Since NATO countries are slapping sanctions on Russia, then Russia is seeking to do more business with China that's all. As for weapons, China literally imports weapons from Russia, so what makes you think Russia is going to ask China for weapons?
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  3396.  @KuangWen0  Chairman Mao Zedong is the founding father of the People's Republic of China 🇨🇳 and he succeeded in the herculean task of reunifying our divided country where the previous Nationalist Kuomintang failed during the Republic of China 🇹🇼 (1912-1949) for 37 years. When Dr Sun Zhongshan overthrew the previous Qing Dynasty China and established "democratic" Republic of China (1912-1949) China was divided into several areas, we lost control of Tibet, and various warlords ruled different parts of China and even Japan invaded China twice during this weak period of Chinese history. Dr. Sun tried to get help from the Western powers, but they laughed at the thought of China copying their democracy. They even gave away the Shandong province (which had been occupied by the Germans during WWI) to Japan, instead of returning it to China (even when China was part of the Allies during WWI). In the end, Dr. Sun died without ever realising a unified China under democracy. But then Mao Zedong came along, and he accomplished what the ROC could not, and reunifed China under communism, proclaiming the People's Republic of China in 1949 and Tibet was finally returned back to China in 1951. If not for Mao Zedong, China today would still be weak and divided country, fighting among ourselves, instead of the strong unified country we are today. For this reason, I will always be grateful to our founding father. Those Chinese who hate Chairman Mao tend to be the Chinese living in Hong Kong, Taiwan island, or overseas Chinese living in Singapore, Malaysia and elsewhere.
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  3489.  @christianmarriott3696  Socially, Americans have never been more divided than they are today. The increase in freedom of speech isn't accompanied by an increase in taking responsibility. Almost every issue is polarised and rights are over-inflated and conflict with those with different views. The rights of anti-immigration clash with those pro-immigration. Those of religious people clash with the non-religious. LGBT versus homophobic. Vaccinated people vs anti-vaxxers. Those wanting to defund the police vs those who don't. Those pro-Trump vs those who are against. The Democrats vs the Republicans. The Left vs the Right. All this division is tearing the US apart from within. Economically, over the last 4 decades in America, the bottom 50% of income groups in America have grown poorer and the income gap in America is increasing. Landlords evict tenants who are unable to pay the rent, increasing poverty and homelessness. Fresh graduates are unable to find jobs, yet they're already shackled by debt and need to pay off their student loan. Politically, the American democratic institutions are failing from within. Many Trump supporters believe that the election was stolen (whether real or perceived) and this displays a distrust in institutions of democracy. Biden's policies like his infrastructure bill face roadblocks in Congress (surprisingly, from his own party, the Democrats) and the U.S global sphere of influence is retreating, as US allies lose trust in the USA putting their own American interests ahead of their allies. Without a doubt, the US is in decline.
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  3534.  Audio  That's exactly what Western economists been saying all along! 1990. The Economist: China's economy has come to a halt. 1996. The Economist: China's economy will face hard landing. 1998. The Economist: China's economy entering a dangerous period of sluggish growth. 1999. Bank of Canada: Likelihood of a hard landing for the Chinese economy. 2000. Chicago Tribune: China currency move nails hard landing risk coffin. 2001. Wilbanks, Smith & Thomas: A hard landing in China. 2002. Westchester University: China Anxiously Seeks A Soft Economic landing. 2003. KWR International: How to find a soft landing if China.. 2004. The Economist: The great fall of China? 2005. Nouriel Roubini: The Risk of a Hard Landing in China. 2006. International Economy: Can China Achieve a Soft Landing? 2007. TIME: Is China's Economy Overheating? Can China avoid a hard landing? 2008. Forbes: Hard Landing in China? 2009. Fortune: China's hard landing. China must find a way to recover. 2010. Nouriel Roubini: Hard landing coming in China. 2011. Business Insider: A Chinese Hard Landing May Be Closer Than You Think. 2012. American Interest: Dismal Economic News from China: A Hard Landing. 2013. Zero Hedge: A Hard Landing in China. 2014. CNBC: A hard landing in China. 2015. Forbes: Congratulations, You got Yourself A Chinese Hard Landing.... 2016. The Economist: Hard Landing looms for China. 2017. National Interest: Is China's Economy Going To Crash? 2018. The Daily Reckoning: China's Coming Financial Meltdown. But its already 2019, China is still going strong and Western anti-China propaganda been proven consistently wrong for almost 30 years already!
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  3710.  @ziggyzugg  Your analogy is rather superficial, it just barely scratches the surface of the whole issue, and ignores the deep historical roots shared by both Ukraine and Russia. When you get married, you build a home together with shared experiences, shared property, and children get born as a result of such a union. During the Soviet Union period, people traveled all over the USSR, and many Russian troops were stationed in Ukraine, the Soviet's frontline towards the Germans (and later NATO). When the USSR dissolved in 1991, many Russians found themselves trapped in Ukraine, many Russian weapons were left behind in Ukraine, including some nukes. Approximately 1,000 warheads remained in Ukrainian territory after the collapse of the Soviet Union. But the ex-husband was generous, and he left the wife with property and children, and even paid off more than 200 billion in debts for her. You said: "She liked her new life with her new friends and started to see a different brighter future for herself and started to understand how she could fulfill her potential." The village bully (USA) and his harem of wives (NATO countries) had no intention of allowing Ukraine to marry into the NATO family, because she often lined her pockets with their money (corruption), yet they still encouraged her and gave her false hope, in exchange for she turning more nasty towards her ex-husband. The only potential she would be fufiling would be allowing NATO to deploy soldiers and missiles right on her ex-husband's doorstep. You said: "Her ex-husband told her that she could forget her dreams and abducted one of the children." Crimea voted overwhelmingly (96.77%) to join the Russian Federation, it was because the child could see his mother gradually cosying up to the village bully and wanted no part of it. The ex-wife just couldn't see through the false promises made by the village chief and his wives. You said: "and then moved into her house saying that he needed to be there to protect the other two children" The ex-wife had been abusing her two other children for 8 years. Donetsk and Luhansk have the old scars of abuse all over their bodies, as well as many fresh bruises (Patrick Lancaster shows footage of the child abuse) and she also forbade her children from speaking Russian, their father's language while only allowing them to speak Ukrainian. You said: "finally he said that if he could not have the wife.. nobody could have her" Putin has stated that Russia has no plans to occupy Ukraine. The ex-husband's stated goals are to reform his ex-wife through demilitarization and de-Nazification. And the ex-wife is still under the delusion that the village chief and NATO (the "friends" she look up to) would somehow come to defense, when they continue to watch the conflict from a distance. Marrying into the NATO family is unlikely to happen now, because it would bring the family feud over to NATO, and they don't want that.
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  3774.  @elanor2123  So the PLA had the support of many farmers (whom made up the majority of China's population at that time) whereas the KMT were corrupt and terrorized nearby villages for food, then it appears you have your answer as to why the KMT, despite all their wealth and numerical superiority, still lost the mainland to a bunch of dirt-poor, ill-equipped, starving communist peasants and had to flee to Taiwan. It substantiates my point that the KMT don't deserve to rule the mainland, while cementing the communists' right to rule China. "Were KMT soldiers really professional?" They certainly had a background of military training, given their access to resources like food, fuel and weapons, that the communist didn't have as peasants. "Then they should get more credit for using their professionalism against the Japanese in nowadays Chinese dramas," Being professionally trained, doesn't necessarily translate to fighting professionally against the Japanese. For example, in 1938, the KMT deliberately blew up a dike along the Yellow River in an attempt to halt the rapid advance of Japanese forces, but the floodwaters ended up destroying thousands of square km of farmland, and shifted the course of the Yellow River hundreds of kilometers to the south. Thousands of villages were inundated, and several million villagers were forced from their homes and made refugees. An official Kuomintang-led postwar commission estimated that the total number of casualties may be as high as 800,000 killed by the flood. The worst thing is that the Japanese troops were out of its range, either to the north and east or to the south. And while their advance on Zhengzhou was halted, the Japanese still took Wuhan by attacking from a different direction, so for what reason was this artificial flood by the KMT for? It has been called the "largest act of environmental warfare in history" and an example of scorched earth military strategy. Source: 1938 Yellow River flood
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  3819. Here's an analogy taken off Weibo, to explain the Russo-Ukraine conflict in the form of a family drama: More than 20 years ago, Ukraine divorced her ex-husband (Russia), and took several children along with her. Still, the ex-husband was very accommodating to her and left her with a lot of family property. After that, the ex-husband also paid off more than 200 billion in debts for her. After getting rid of her ex-husband, Ukraine started flirting with the village chief (United States) and his harem of concubines (NATO countries) until she was completely ensnared in their arms. That's still acceptable to a certain point, (but) she was smitten with the village tyrant, and hooked up with him in a plan to attack her ex-husband. The ex-husband was very angry and had insisted on returning a child: Crimea. Crimea had opted to rejoin the father. Ukraine began to harboring grudges against her ex-husband, and dreams of someday marrying into the NATO family. But the truth is that the village chief didn't really want to marry Ukraine into the family. After all, she was high-maintenance and loved to pocket his money (corruption). His many wives also didn't want Ukraine to join family, but in front of Ukraine, they still gave Ukraine a false sense of hope. The village chief just wanted to use her like a pawn to bully her ex-husband. After 8 years of constant abuse, her two children (Donetsk and Luhansk) were crying and imploring for help from their father. The village chief was always on the sidelines in the ex-husband and wife quarrel, occasionally sending in expired items (ammunition) from time to time. Because of that, Ukraine thought she had someone to support her, and became even more presumptuous towards her ex-husband. The ex-husband could bear it no longer, took another glance at the poor treatment of the children, and rushed over in defense of his two children, so the ex husband and wife started fighting. Now, the village chief and his many wives are cheering on Ukraine from the sidelines, yet none of them are willing to lift an actual finger and partake in the fighting themselves. Ukraine is unlikely to marry into the NATO family, because that would mean that the village chief and his many wives would be obliged to join the fight against the ex-husband. ... Hopefully this analogy puts the Russo-Ukraine conflict into perspective and on a more relatable level.
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  3854.  @HannarrMontannarr  "@神州 Shenzhou China has the 2nd largest economy solely because it has the largest population" Really? Then why India, world's 2nd largest population does not have 3rd or 4th largest economy then? Isn't India the world's largest democracy too? Many Indians speak English (the preferred language for Westerners) whereas many Chinese still struggle with English even till today. Yet China has since overtaken India in many fields? You said "Lets not forge that china attack UN forces in korea, an organisation that it was a member of," The Korean War was from 1950-1953, and at that time, the People's Republic of China was NOT a member of the United Nations. The PRC only became a UN member in 1971 when the UN voted to kick ROC out of UN Security Council and to recognize PRC as China after winning a two-thirds majority vote. So how was PRC a member of UN at the time of the Korean War? During the Korean War, the People's Liberation Army were mostly poorly trained peasants, our weapons were crappy, our supply lines were overextended, our air and naval support non-existent, and China only had North Korean troops for allies (Soviet Union only provided material support) On the other hand, South Korea had the combined armies of United States, United Kingdom, Canada, Australia, Greece, France, + 10 other countries, had superior equipment, better training, adequete air and naval support, and with Japanese manufacturing capability nearby providing logistical support. Yet despite all these advantages, those 16 countries still did not win the Korean war? Against poorly training PLA troops, with our lousy weapons, our overextended supply lines? With only North Korean troops to support China?
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  3869.  @ericcartmann  China is going to collapse soon? That's what Western economists been saying all along! 1990. The Economist: China's economy has come to a halt. 1996. The Economist: China's economy will face hard landing. 1998. The Economist: China's economy entering a dangerous period of sluggish growth. 1999. Bank of Canada: Likelihood of a hard landing for the Chinese economy. 2000. Chicago Tribune: China currency move nails hard landing risk coffin. 2001. Wilbanks, Smith & Thomas: A hard landing in China. 2002. Westchester University: China Anxiously Seeks A Soft Economic landing. 2003. KWR International: How to find a soft landing if China.. 2004. The Economist: The great fall of China? 2005. Nouriel Roubini: The Risk of a Hard Landing in China. 2006. International Economy: Can China Achieve a Soft Landing? 2007. TIME: Is China's Economy Overheating? Can China avoid a hard landing? 2008. Forbes: Hard Landing in China? 2009. Fortune: China's hard landing. China must find a way to recover. 2010. Nouriel Roubini: Hard landing coming in China. 2011. Business Insider: A Chinese Hard Landing May Be Closer Than You Think. 2012. American Interest: Dismal Economic News from China: A Hard Landing. 2013. Zero Hedge: A Hard Landing in China. 2014. CNBC: A hard landing in China. 2015. Forbes: Congratulations, You got Yourself A Chinese Hard Landing.... 2016. The Economist: Hard Landing looms for China. 2017. National Interest: Is China's Economy Going To Crash? 2018. The Daily Reckoning: China's Coming Financial Meltdown. But its already 2019, and China's economy is still going strong, so why continue to believe Western anti-China propaganda? When it has been consistently proven wrong for almost 30 years?
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  3941.  @koblongata  "神州 Shenzhou No, a lot of people want China to be great, but not in this way." Why can't China be great this way? China found a political system that works for our country, whereas Western institutions of democracy are falling apart and crumbling from within, so should China abandon our working political system for a failing Western-style democracy? If anything, China is living proof that not all countries have to adopt Western Style democracy to be successful. "Cutting off ties with Russia is paramount." Russia is our close ally, whatever for should China cut off ties with one of our closest partners? Contrary to popular belief, it's not China that supplies Russia with weapons, it's the reverse, and China is Russia's 2nd largest buyer of weapons, so why should China cut off ties with such a good partner? You naively think the Western countries will accept China just because of that? "And maybe try and save Afghanistan women first, be the light of the world instead of darkness." Who created the mess that is Afghanistan in the first place? Answer: The United States of America, then why should China be the one to clear up the USA blunders? During the U.S botched withdrawal of Afghanistan, the Afghan peoples made their choice, choosing the Taliban over "Western style democracy". The 300,000-member strong Afghan Army choose to surrender to Taliban, instead of fighting and dying for the sake of "Western democracy", then it's their choice to be ruled by Taliban. You want to save Afghanistan? Then tell the United States to unfreeze the $7 billion dollars worth of Afghan assets that belongs to the people of Afghanistan so that they have money to rebuild their devastated economy.
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  3962.  @skyeagle3123  Look, I'm willing to hear you out, and I want to understand your side as well. You mentioned the Communist Party of China deliberately kept Covid-19 a secret, well, then why'd China report a mysterious pneumonia-like illness to the World Health Organization on 31st Dec 2019? Why'd China published several articles in The Lancet scientific journal about Chinese scientist findings about Covid-19? It's clear that China had given warning to Western countries about the impending pandemic once Covid-19 arrived on their shores, but most Western countries just ignored China's warnings that's all, so how did the CPC keep the novel coronavirus a secret? Look, China even lockdown Wuhan and built two temporary hospitals (1,000-bed hospital Huoshenshan in 10 days and 1,600-bed Leishenshan in 12 days) even Western Media had coverage of China's hospital construction. This should already sound off alarm bells in Western countries to jump to action, yet they did nothing. Then why seemingly blame China when it's your own countries failure to heed China's alarms? Also, the World Health Organization sent a coronavirus origins investigation team to Wuhan on Jan 2021, and they visited Wuhan Huanan Seafood Market and Wuhan Institute of Virology. But their findings indicate that the virus entered the Wuhan Market from elsewhere, and they've all but dismiss the lab leak theory as highly unlikely. I don't understand what you mean when you say "Chinese people have no rights to do what they want on the net". I mean, China literally has the largest Internet population in the world at 1 billion Internet users. List of countries by number of Internet users 1. China (1,010,740,000 Internet users) 2. India (833,710,000 Internet users) 3. United States of America (312,320,000 Internet users) 4. Indonesia (212,354,070 Internet users) 5. Bangladesh (129,180,000 Internet users) ... Source: Wikipedia: List of countries by number of Internet users
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  3992. Westerners have long been predicting China's economic downfall. Here's a list: 1990. The Economist: China's economy has come to a halt. 1996. The Economist: China's economy will face hard landing. 1998. The Economist: China's economy entering a dangerous period of sluggish growth. 1999. Bank of Canada: Likelihood of a hard landing for the Chinese economy. 2000. Chicago Tribune: China currency move nails hard landing risk coffin. 2001. Wilbanks, Smith & Thomas: A hard landing in China. 2002. Westchester University: China Anxiously Seeks A Soft Economic landing. 2003. KWR International: How to find a soft landing if China.. 2004. The Economist: The great fall of China? 2005. Nouriel Roubini: The Risk of a Hard Landing in China. 2006. International Economy: Can China Achieve a Soft Landing? 2007. TIME: Is China's Economy Overheating? Can China avoid a hard landing? 2008. Forbes: Hard Landing in China? 2009. Fortune: China's hard landing. China must find a way to recover. 2010. Nouriel Roubini: Hard landing coming in China. 2011. Business Insider: A Chinese Hard Landing May Be Closer Than You Think. 2012. American Interest: Dismal Economic News from China: A Hard Landing. 2013. Zero Hedge: A Hard Landing in China. 2014. CNBC: A hard landing in China. 2015. Forbes: Congratulations, You got Yourself A Chinese Hard Landing.... 2016. The Economist: Hard Landing looms for China. 2017. National Interest: Is China's Economy Going To Crash? 2018. The Daily Reckoning: China's Coming Financial Meltdown. 2019. Zero Hedge: Seven Reasons Why China Is Facing A Hard Landing In 2019 ... But its already 2021, and China's economy is still going strong. So why continue to believe China's economy will fall, given that Western economist predictions about China's collapse been proven consistently wrong for almost 30 years already?
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  4057. More than 20 years ago, Ukraine divorced her ex-husband (Russia), and took several children along with her. Still, the ex-husband was very accommodating to her and left her with a lot of family property. After that, the ex-husband also paid off more than 200 billion in debts for her. After getting rid of her ex-husband, Ukraine started flirting with the village chief (United States) and his harem of concubines (NATO countries) until she was completely ensnared in their arms. That's still acceptable to a certain point, (but) she was smitten with the village tyrant, and hooked up with him in a plan to attack her ex-husband. The ex-husband was very angry and had insisted on returning a child: Crimea. Ukraine began to harboring grudges against her ex-husband, and dreams of someday marrying into the NATO family. But the truth is that the village chief didn't really want to marry Ukraine into the family. After all, she was high-maintenance and loved to pocket his money (corruption). His many wives also didn't want Ukraine to join family, but in front of Ukraine, they were all smiles and encouraging her to join. The village chief just wanted to use her like a pawn to bully her ex-husband. After 8 years of constant abuse, her two children (Donetsk and Luhansk) were crying and imploring for help from their father. The village chief was always on the sidelines in the ex-husband and wife quarrel, occasionally sending in expired items (ammunition) from time to time. Because of that, Ukraine thought she had someone to support her, and became even more presumptuous towards her ex-husband. The ex-husband could bear it no longer, took another glance at the poor treatment of the children, and rushed over in defense of his two children, so the ex husband and wife started fighting. Now, the village chief and his many wives are cheering on Ukraine from the sidelines, yet none of them are willing to lift an actual finger and partake in the fighting themselves. Ukraine is unlikely to marry into the NATO family, because that would mean that the village chief and his many wives would be obliged to join the fight against the ex-husband. ... Hopefully this analogy taken off Weibo helps puts the Russo-Ukraine conflict into perspective and on a more relatable level.
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  4072. Here's a Chinese analogy taken off Weibo, to explain the Russo-Ukraine conflict in the form of a family drama: More than 20 years ago, Ukraine divorced her ex-husband (Russia), and took several children along with her. Still, the ex-husband was very accommodating to her and left her with a lot of family property. After that, the ex-husband also paid off more than 200 billion in debts for her. After getting rid of her ex-husband, Ukraine started flirting with the village chief (United States) and his harem of concubines (NATO countries) until she was completely ensnared in their arms. That's still acceptable to a certain point, (but) she was smitten with the village tyrant, and hooked up with him in a plan to attack her ex-husband. The ex-husband was very angry and had insisted on returning a child: Crimea. Ukraine began to harboring grudges against her ex-husband, and dreams of someday marrying into the NATO family, which in turn would lead them right up to her ex-husband's doorstep. But the truth is that the village chief didn't really want to marry Ukraine into the family. After all, she was high-maintenance and loved to pocket his money (corruption). His many wives also didn't want Ukraine to join family, but in front of Ukraine, they were all smiles and encouraging her to join. The village chief just wanted to use her like a pawn to bully her ex-husband. After 8 years of constant abuse, her two children (Donetsk and Luhansk) were crying and imploring for help from their father. The village chief was always on the sidelines in the ex-husband and wife quarrel, occasionally sending in expired items (ammunition) from time to time. Because of that, Ukraine thought she had someone to support her, and became even more presumptuous towards her ex-husband. The ex-husband could bear it no longer, took another glance at the poor treatment of the children, and rushed over in defense of his two children, so the ex husband and wife started fighting. Now, the village chief and his many wives are cheering on Ukraine from the sidelines, yet none of them are willing to lift an actual finger and partake in the fighting themselves. Ukraine is unlikely to marry into the NATO family, because that would mean that the village chief and his many wives would be obliged to join the fight against the ex-husband. ... Hopefully this analogy puts the Russo-Ukraine conflict into perspective and on a more relatable level.
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  4168.  @edwardr8826  South Korea experienced massive economic growth under the South Korean dictator Park Chung Hee. When Park came to power in 1961, South Korea's per capita income was only US$72.00 (poorer than some Sub-Saharan African countries) and North Korea was the greater economic and military power on the peninsula. One of Park's main goals was to end the poverty of South Korea, and lift the country up from being a Third World economy to a First World economy via etatist methods. Park is credited with playing a pivotal role in the development of South Korea's tiger economy by shifting its focus to export-oriented industrialisation, resulting in rapid economic growth and industrialization in South Korea, and this was known as the Miracle on the Han River (한강의 기적) However, he became increasingly dictatorial later and declared martial law and amended the constitution into a highly authoritarian document called the Yushin Constitution (effectively abolishing the former constitution) and granting him dictatorial powers. Park is a controversial figure in modern South Korean political discourse and among the South Korean populace in general for his dictatorship and undemocratic ways. While some credit him for sustaining the Miracle on the Han River, which reshaped and modernized South Korea, others criticize his authoritarian way of ruling the country (especially after 1971) and for prioritizing economic growth and contrived social order at the expense of civil liberties.
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  4188.  @Nesher92  Taiwan had been under authoritarian single-party KMT rule for more than half its life. For decades the KMT ruled Taiwan with iron fist and Chiang kai-shek was a dictator who jailed and executed dissidents and political rivals (whether real or perceived) in a period known as White Terror (白色恐怖) and imposed martial law on Taiwan for more than 38 years, which was qualified as "the longest imposition of martial law by a regime anywhere in the world" at that time. Source: White Terror (Taiwan) wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Terror_(Taiwan) But under authoritarian single-party KMT rule, Taiwan actually flourished and prospered, in what's known as the Taiwan Miracle (台湾奇迹). Between 1952 – 1982, Taiwan's economic growth was on average 8.7%, and between 1983 – 1986 at 6.9%. Taiwan GDP grew by 360% between 1965 – 1986. The percentage of global exports was over 2% in 1986, over other recently industrialized countries, and the global industrial production output grew a further 680% between 1965 – 1986. And its all been achieved under KMT leadership. Source: Taiwan Miracle wikipedia.org/wiki/Taiwan_Miracle Only in the late 1990s, when democracy was introduced (because USA threatened to cut off weapons sales to Taiwan) did Taiwan's economic growth became more modest. Today, Taiwan's economy is in a slump, wages are stagnant, cost of living is rising, unemployment is rising, and Taiwan graduates are unable to find jobs, so they seek employment opportunities abroad, such as in mainland China or places like Singapore.
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  4194.  @elanor2123  "神州 Shenzhou Atheism is not a religion," Despite the fact that atheism is not a religion, atheism is protected by many of the same Constitutional rights that protect religion. Since Christian countries and Muslim countries can promote Christianity or Islam in their lands, then can't China as an atheist country (under the Communist Party) promote atheism in our lands? You said: "and promoting atheism equals to demoting every other religion in this world." Similarly promoting one religion is equal demoting every other religion isn't it? The Christians believe in a single God above, whereas there are millions of gods in Hindu mythology and they aren't the same. Even in some Islamic countries like Saudi Arabia, they promote Islam over Christianity, so much such that Christians in Saudi Arabia face discrimination. You asked: "In contrast, countries promoting religion do not (mostly) force people to believe in their religion, do they?" See Saudi Arabia's example above. You asked: "But in China, they force people to let go of all the beliefs which does not fit the ccp's standards, don't they?" The same could be said for every country's government. The Western countries like U.S, U.K, etc and Islamic countries Saudi Arabia, Indonesia, Turkey, etc, would not allow beliefs that do not fit their respective government's standards isn't it? You said: "People should be free to believe what they want as long as it does not significantly harm others or violates other human rights, do you disagree?" I would agree if you include as long as it doesn't harm themselves too, like in the case of Tibetan self-immolation resulting in disfigurement, scarring from burns and loss of their own lives. That's akin to throwing away your life for the sake of religion in my opinion.
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  4196.  @elanor2123  "But religion and beliefs is far from being free in China." Let's get this straight, you earlier admitted that you are an atheist yourself (your words were: "In fact, I'm an atheist too.") yet why is it China is wrong for promoting atheism? You yourself are an atheist, meaning that you don't believe in any god yourself, yet here you are arguing for the sake of how religion is treated in China? Can't you see the sheer irony in your arguments? An atheist like you arguing about religion in China? You said: "I don't think people in Xinjiang and Tibet are free to pursue a lot of their ancestor's religious beliefs." Have you actually been to Lhasa in Tibet Autonomous Region, China? Search online for videos of Lhasa, and you can find many religious Tibetans in prayer, spinning those prayer-wheels and prayer-tops, and performing full-body kowtows on the ground in worship. Then what makes you think people in Tibet aren't free to to pursue a lot of their ancestor's religious beliefs? Have you actually been to those places? "In my perspective, in normal Chinese cities, people don't go to concentration camps like the Uighurs for believing in a religion." Which normal Chinese cities have you been to? And what Uighurs concentration camps are you talking about? The Uighurs in Xinjiang are Chinese citizens by birth and they are receiving a proper Chinese education, learning Mandarin Chinese (national language of China), Chinese history and cultivating patriotism towards their homeland China. Just like the Hawaiins in Hawaii are American citizens by birth, they learn English at school, American history, and cultivate patriotism towards their homeland, America.
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  4197.  @elanor2123  Look, you've previously admitted that you yourself are atheist (you said: "In fact, I'm an atheist too.") which means that you don't believe in any god yourself, then why are you arguing against China (an atheist country) promoting atheism? The whole basis of your argument about religion, is already undermined by you being an atheist yourself, it's almost as if you're "virtue-signalling" yourself against China that's all. "Promoting a single religion is not demoting every other religion." We've already gone over how Christian and Muslim countries promote Christianity and Islam in their lands (respectively, and naturally this comes at the expense of other religion apart from the core religion of the country. In China's case, China is atheist under the Communist Party, then can't China promote atheism, as other religious countries do with their respective religions? "Can't people change what they believe, and freely go back and forth from believing atheism to religion in the Western world? But in China, that option is a bit grayed out, isn't it?" What makes you think people in China can't change what they believe, and freely go back and forth from believing atheism to religion? The number of Christians in China continues to grow, with at least 38 million adherents in 2020 (about 3% of the population), up from 22 million a decade ago. According to some experts, by 2030, China could the country with the largest Christian population in the world. "so although it's great if the government encourages them not to and take care of their body, they must not force them to." What if a Tibetan self-immolates in front of a child, scarring his/her young mind with such a traumatic experience (possibly for life)? Or worst, the child attempts to imitate such harmful behavior?
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  4198.  @elanor2123  "and if u believe technology and advancements are the most important factors defining the happiness of a person and the success of a country, I can't really convince u otherwise since it's quite true." In other words, it's true and you agree? Then you agree that the CPC did bring modernization to Tibet and improved the lives of the vast majority of Tibetans? Before modern technology, life on the Tibetan Plateau is harsh, with high attitudes, freezing temperatures, low-oxygen environments (it's the Himalayas after all). Food was scarce, since the mountainous soil in Tibet was often infertile. Rain clouds were blocked by mountains, resulting in low rainfall and making the land unsuitable for growing crops, so most Tibetans live a hard life. "Not every poor person are unhappy, and people could live happily without modern technology if they don't want to :)" You're always welcome to toss away your smartphone, your computer and other electronic devices, and see if you remain happy afterwards. Otherwise, what's the point of your words? "Pardon me if Japan never introduced any technology to China, but I assumed they did" So I take it you're unable to come with examples of technology that Japan introduced to China, and merely made an assumption that's all. "Shouldn't they have done some of that to China as well, in order to leech out more benefits? :/" So you're talking about a hypothetical scenario now? As far as I know, mainland China hasn't forced Tibet to pay for all the construction fees, since Tibet is part of China after all.
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  4244.  @FullPerspective  "And the claim the last conflict was in 1979 is not actually true," Name a country that China is at war with after 1979 then. Otherwise, the fact remains that China is currently peace and not at war with any country. The People's Liberation Army has not "Many countries has not been at war for more than 100 year, and have also not invaded anyone." Alright then, name 5 countries that have not been at war for more than 100 year, and have also not invaded anyone. "China has the 2nd or 3rd biggest militaries in the world. What is it there for?" Why to defend China of course. China has a history of being invaded by the 8 Nations (Austria-Hungary, British Empire, France, Germany, Italy, Japan, Russia, United States) during the Boxer Rebellion period. China learned long ago that a big country with a weak army will only invite invaders. "China is not a country of peace, like the US and Russia and India they use military force to exert power over others," China has a huge army yes, but China is currently at peace and not at war with any country. You've consistently failed to name a single country that China is currently at war with. "But there is a BIG difference between military used for defense and peace and military used for power, wealth and war." According to List of Overseas Bases, China has less than a handful of overseas bases that's all. "And China has definitely used their military against peace in the last 100 years." Who gave you the time limit of 100 years? Name me 5 countries that have not been involved in wars for the last 100 years.
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  4245.  @FullPerspective  "These islands where not recognized as being Chinese by Malaysia, the Philippines, Netherlands, the US and countless of other countries." The Americans reminded the Philippines at its independence in 1946 that the Spratlys was not Philippine territories as per the 1898 Treaty of Paris that Spain signed with USA. The Treaty Limits of the Philippines defines the maritime and territorial boundaries of the Philippines, which does not include the Spratly Islands. "The fact that China claimed the islands in 1947 does not alone give them right to them." It gives China a claim to the islands. Also in 1917, China was still being governed by the Nationalist Kuomintang which later fled to Taiwan island. And Taiwan Island today still maintains the claim to the 11 Dash Line, whereas the People's Republic of China has reduced it to the 9 Dash Line. "There is countless of land claims and disputes all over the world over territories, but what makes a country of peace which prevent war, is that the country will NOT lay hold of claims to territories where there is a dispute unless there is a INTERNATIONAL agreement allowing them to do so" As far as I know none of the claimants in the South China Sea are at war with each other, not China, not Malaysia, Philippines, Vietnam, etc. Which of those countries is China at war with? "The Spratly and Parcel Islands are not internationally recognized as belonging to China, nor is a lot of border dispute territories with India." The border dispute between China and India was created because after India was colonized by Britain, a British cartographer named Henry McMahon, arbitrarily drew up India's borders with China without consideration for existing historical boundaries, and yet till this day, India vehemently adheres to the McMahon Line (drawn by British) instead of looking at how the border existed historically.
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  4272. Here's the Chinese way to explain the Ukraine/Russia war to help clear up the confusion through a story: More than 20 years ago, Ukraine divorced her ex-husband (Russia), taking several children along with her. Still, the ex-husband was very accommodating to her, and left her with a lot of family property. After that, the ex-husband also paid off more than 200 billion in debts for her. After getting rid of her ex-husband, Ukraine started flirting with the village chief (United States) and his harem of concubines (i.e NATO countries) until she was completely ensnared in their arms. That's still acceptable to a certain point, (but) she was enraptured with the village tyrant, and hooked up with him to hatch a plan to attack her ex-husband. The ex-husband was very angry and had insisted on returning a child: Crimea. Ukraine began to harboring grudges against her ex-husband and dreams of someday marrying into the NATO family, and of milking her ex-husband dry of his assets. The village chief didn't really want to marry Ukraine into the family. After all, she was high-maintenance and loved to pocket his money (corruption). Instead the village chief just wanted to use her like a pawn to bully her ex-husband. After 8 years of constant abuse, her two children (Donetsk and Luhansk) went crying and imploring for help from their father. The village chief and his many wives were always on the sidelines in the ex husband and wife conflict, occasionally sending in expired items (ammunition) from time to time. Ukraine thought she had someone to support her, and became even more presumptuous towards her ex-husband. The ex-husband could bear it no longer, took another glance at the poor treatment of the children, and rushed over in defense of his two children, so the ex husband and wife started fighting. Now, the village chief and his many wives are cheering on Ukraine from the sidelines, yet none of them are willing to lift an actual finger and partake in the fighting themselves. Ukraine is unlikely to marry into the NATO family, because that would mean that the village chief and his many wives would have to join the fight against the ex-husband. ... This is a translation from Weibo by Chinese netizen to hopefully explain the Ukraine/Russia crisis on a more relatable level.
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  4311.  @HannarrMontannarr  "Taiwan has a much more robust high tech sector." China is home to two of world's fastest supercomputers, the Sunway Taihulight 神威·太湖之光 and Tianhe-2 天河-2 and in the 2017 Top500 supercomputer survey, China beat USA with 202 out of 500 of the world's fastest supercomputers, compared to USA's 144 out of 500. China's supercomputers race past US to world dominance https://www.cnet.com/news/china-surpasses-us-in-supercomputer-usage-on-top-500-list/ Supercomputers play an important role in research, and are used for computationally intensive tasks in various fields, including quantum mechanics, weather forecasting, climate research, oil and gas exploration, molecular modeling (computing the structures and properties of chemical compounds, biological macromolecules, polymers, and crystals), and physical simulations (such as simulations of the early moments of the universe, airplane and spacecraft aerodynamics, the detonation of nuclear weapons, and nuclear fusion). China has world's 2nd largest research spending, only behind the USA and in 2016, China published more scientific and technical journal articles (in topics like physics, biology, chemistry, mathematics, clinical medicine, biomedical research, engineering and technology, and earth and space sciences.) than even the United States. Sources: List of countries by research and development spending wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_research_and_development_spending List of countries by number of scientific and technical journal articles wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_number_of_scientific_and_technical_journal_articles
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  4469. +misty bonnie Western economists have been predicting China's economic downfall since 1990s. Eg. 1990. The Economist: China's economy has come to a halt. 1996. The Economist: China's economy will face hard landing. 1998. The Economist: China's economy entering a dangerous period of sluggish growth. 1999. Bank of Canada: Likelihood of a hard landing for the Chinese economy. 2000. Chicago Tribune: China currency move nails hard landing risk coffin. 2001. Wilbanks, Smith & Thomas: A hard landing in China. 2002. Westchester University: China Anxiously Seeks A Soft Economic landing. 2003. KWR International: How to find a soft landing if China.. 2004. The Economist: The great fall of China? 2005. Nouriel Roubini: The Risk of a Hard Landing in China. 2006. International Economy: Can China Achieve a Soft Landing? 2007. TIME: Is China's Economy Overheating? Can China avoid a hard landing? 2008. Forbes: Hard Landing in China? 2009. Fortune: China's hard landing. China must find a way to recover. 2010. Nouriel Roubini: Hard landing coming in China. 2011. Business Insider: A Chinese Hard Landing May Be Closer Than You Think. 2012. American Interest: Dismal Economic News from China: A Hard Landing. 2013. Zero Hedge: A Hard Landing in China. 2014. CNBC: A hard landing in China. 2015. Forbes: Congratulations, You got Yourself A Chinese Hard Landing.... 2016. The Economist: Hard Landing looms for China. But its already 2018, and China's economy is still going strong, so its clear that Western propaganda is simply biased against China and has been proven consistently wrong for almost 30 years. So why do people still think China is going to fall soon?
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  4526. +Soul Chicken Nobody cares about China's interests except Chinese. Nobody wants to see China succeed, except Chinese. Nobody can defend China, except Chinese. Modern China was built by sweat, blood, tears and sacrifice of the Chinese people to through wars, invasion, famine, poverty, rebellions and revolutions. There were many failures and mistakes along the way, but Chinese people turned China from dirt poor, war torn and starving country, into world's 2nd largest economy, protected by world's 2nd largest military spending and largest land army, the PLA. If you want to label Chinese people who defend China as "trolls" then aren't you implying that Indians who defend their country are trolls as well? Under the Dalai Lama rule, Tibet was brutal theocracy, where 95% of the population were slaves and the remaining 5% elites were slave owners. Tibetan mountainous soil was poor and the serfs had to work to grow enough food to feed the population and the 5% elites. Starvation was commonplace, and criminals were punished by torture, amputation and even skinning. There is this Tibetans drum called damaru which consists of two human skulls and the drumskin is made from human skin and the drumstick from human bone. When Tibet returned to Chinese rule, it was modernized and roads, schools, universities, hospitals were built, as well as running water, gas and electricity. Tibetans today have access to cars, mobile phones, computers and there is Internet coverage, WiFi, and mobile phone reception, even in such a remote location like Tibet. The population of Tibet has grown from about 1 million in 1951 to 3 million people today, as food can now be imported from the mainland. What makes you think Tibetans will absolutely rise up against China then? Have you been to Tibet and asked the locals? Today, Tibet has a thriving tourist industry, because China built Qinghai railway through difficult mountainous terrain to connect the normally isolated Tibet to the rest of the world.
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  4536.  @christopherhamlin6139  You said: "I am well aware of the animosity between Vietnam and China." China literally helped the Vietnamese fight for independence from the French. During the First Indochina War, China supplied and provided the Việt Minh guerrilla forces with almost every kind of crucial and important supplies and material required, such as food (including thousands of tonnes of rice), money, medics and medical aid and supplies, arms and weapons, ammunition and explosives and other types of military equipment. 2,000 military advisors from the PRC and the Soviet Union trained the Việt Minh guerrilla force with the aim of turning it into a full-fledged armed force to fight off their French colonial masters and gain national independence. On top of this, the PRC sent two People's Liberation Army (PLA) artillery battalions to help the Vietnamese fight for independence. From 1950 to 1954 the Chinese government shipped goods, materials, and medicine worth $43 billion (in 2019 dollars) to Vietnam. From 1950 to 1956 the Chinese government shipped 155,000 small arms, 58 million rounds of ammunition, 4,630 artillery pieces, 1,080,000 artillery shells, 840,000 hand grenades, 1,400,000 uniforms, 1,200 vehicles, 14,000 tons of food, and 26,000 tons of fuel to Vietnam. ... Source: Wikipedia: First Indochina War Yet some Vietnamese nationalists conveniently forgotten Chinese aid given to them, and even worsts, some claim they've won their independence from the French all on their own.
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  4621.  @ashokjain8449  About Education in China, the Chinese government is pouring funds into research and development, and China already has world's highest R&D spending according to the following source: Countries by Research and Development spending 1. China ($553.4 billion) 2. United States ($511.1 billion) 3. European Union ($379.0 billion) 4. Japan ($165.7 billion) 5. Germany ($118.8 billion) 6. South Korea ($91.6 billion) 7. India ($66.5 billion) 8. France ($60.0 billion) 9. United Kingdom ($44.8 billion) 10. Russia ($42.6 billion) ... Source: List of countries by research and development spending wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_research_and_development_spending#List In the West, researchers often have to worry about funding, so they write papers and cite other peoples work to improve their credibility, so that they can expand their academic circles, get approval of grants so that they can publish more papers. It has degenerated into an academic system and many researcher's ideas remain on paper, instead of being turned into actual products. Whereas in China, research funds are available at all tiers of society, from corporate to government sector, and a struggling research can easily get a $40,000 funding approval, thus freeing the researcher to concentrate on his/her research instead of having to worry about funding. The idea-to-product transition time in China is short too, so many researchers can feel a sense of satisfaction, witnessing their ideas being turned to actual products.
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  4622.  @ashokjain8449  You said: "It is difficult to make them see the real point of China's denial of accepted rules of international engagement. They don't respect any rule based order by not agreeing to treaties, contracts, IPRs, history or traditions. They claim anything and anybody that suit them. Just how on earth you can claim vast areas of sea as yours denying so many others their share of common gifts of nature?" Now you're just making sweeping claims about China not agreeing to treaties. China is party to the United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea (UNCLOS) whereas countries like the United States don't even ratify UNCLOS, yet they are claiming Freedom of Navigation with regards to UNCLOS. As for claiming vast areas of sea, China does not claim the seas itself, only the islands within it. China first claimed South China Sea Islands in 1947 when the Republic of China 🇹🇼 published the 11th Dash Line (of which the 9-Dash Line is based upon). Back then no one complained about China's claims, not Vietnam, not Philippines, not even USA. The North Vietnam PM Phạm Văn Đồng had formally accepted that the Paracel and Spratly islands were historically Chinese in a diplomatic letter he wrote to Chinese Premier Zhou Enlai in 1958. Here is the note: wikipedia.org/wiki/File:1958_diplomatic_note_from_phamvandong_to_zhouenlai.jpg But after it was discovered that the region contain rich deposits of oil and gas, Vietnam suddenly changed its mind, broke their word and started claiming those territory as part of Vietnam. Why Vietnam politician can change their minds just like that?
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  4696.  @gulamog5041  Westerners have long been predicting China's economic downfall. Here's a list: 1990. The Economist: China's economy has come to a halt. 1996. The Economist: China's economy will face hard landing. 1998. The Economist: China's economy entering a dangerous period of sluggish growth. 1999. Bank of Canada: Likelihood of a hard landing for the Chinese economy. 2000. Chicago Tribune: China currency move nails hard landing risk coffin. 2001. Wilbanks, Smith & Thomas: A hard landing in China. 2002. Westchester University: China Anxiously Seeks A Soft Economic landing. 2003. KWR International: How to find a soft landing if China.. 2004. The Economist: The great fall of China? 2005. Nouriel Roubini: The Risk of a Hard Landing in China. 2006. International Economy: Can China Achieve a Soft Landing? 2007. TIME: Is China's Economy Overheating? Can China avoid a hard landing? 2008. Forbes: Hard Landing in China? 2009. Fortune: China's hard landing. China must find a way to recover. 2010. Nouriel Roubini: Hard landing coming in China. 2011. Business Insider: A Chinese Hard Landing May Be Closer Than You Think. 2012. American Interest: Dismal Economic News from China: A Hard Landing. 2013. Zero Hedge: A Hard Landing in China. 2014. CNBC: A hard landing in China. 2015. Forbes: Congratulations, You got Yourself A Chinese Hard Landing.... 2016. The Economist: Hard Landing looms for China. 2017. National Interest: Is China's Economy Going To Crash? 2018. The Daily Reckoning: China's Coming Financial Meltdown. 2019. Zero Hedge: Seven Reasons Why China Is Facing A Hard Landing In 2019 2020. Forbes: Remember The China 'Hard Landing'? We Got One. ... But its already 2021, and China's economy is still going strong. So why continue to believe China's economy will fall, given that Western economist predictions about China's collapse been proven consistently wrong for 30 years already?
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  4703. The role of women today are vastly different from the past (especially in the West). Feminism has empowered women at the workplace, encouraged women to dominate their partners in relationships, and because of the Western culture of "political correctness", everybody is afraid to voice their own opinions, for fear of offending feminists (and also ethnic minority groups, LGBT activists, etc) and receiving the backlash from SJWs. Because of feminism, young girls are encouraged to pursue whatever they want, eat whatever they want, act unfeminine, to get tattoos and piercings, to grow fat and unattractive, and yet, Western media will claim that men will still find them attractive. Maybe some men will, but not all of them find them attractive, and if men find you ugly, then the media will claim they are being "shallow" and they don't "see the beauty within you" and that they deserve you. Frankly, I think many Western men are sick of this PC culture always blaming men for women's problems. There was a simpler time in the past. A simpler period in every country's history, where everything was traditional. Men worked and women tended the families. Because of this setup, families could grow larger with mothers taking care of the kids. Birth rates were higher in the past, but as modern women started taking on careers and competing with men at the workplace, children became neglected, family sizes shrunk, birth rates fell. If you don't believe me, look at the less developed and more traditional countries. Traditional Muslims for example, tend to have large families, because they can have multiple wives (if the husbands can support them) Maybe it's time modern people change their mindset about "traditional values" and stop seeing them as backward and barbaric. For much of human history, women have been traditionally the wives and mothers of society, so there must be various advantages why humans adopted such a setup in the first place.
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  4751. As Chinese myself, I personally found many Hollywood movies to be severely lacking in Asian actors. Asian actors (Chinese,Japanese, Koreans) are simply underrepresented in Hollywood, often casted into cliche roles like martial artist, triad thug, nerdy but social inept guy, hacker, etc. Asian actresses often get roles as damsel in distress (to be saved by Caucasian male lead) or prostitutes, dragon ladies, massage parlor workers, other sexualized roles etc. Also, there's also "white-washing" of Asian characters, that is, the casting of Caucasian actor/actress to portray a character of Asian descent on film. Hopefully, China's influence on Hollywood can grant more prominent roles to Asian actors/actresses.As Chinese myself, I personally found many Hollywood movies to be severely lacking in Asian actors. Asian actors (Chinese,Japanese, Koreans) are simply underrepresented in Hollywood, often casted into cliche roles like martial artist, triad thug, nerdy but social inept guy, hacker, etc. Asian actresses often get roles as damsel in distress (to be saved by Caucasian male lead) or prostitutes, dragon ladies, massage parlor workers, other sexualized roles etc. Also, there's also "white-washing" of Asian characters, that is, the casting of Caucasian actor/actress to portray a character of Asian descent on film. (Take Scarlet Johanson in Ghost in the Shell for example) Hopefully, China's influence on Hollywood can shift their target demographics and in the process, help grant more prominent roles to aspiring Asian actors/actresses.
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  4771. Looking from Pakistan perspective, India also supported Bangladesh independence from East Pakistan, so isn't India being hostile towards Pakistan as well, by dividing its country and creating Bangladesh? Why you allow your original country of British India, to become so divided today? Each division only weakens the former country, and create tensions between the individual states. Just imagined if British India had resisted the British and chosen to remained "unpartitioned" and all those conflicts and bloodshed between India and Pakistan didn't happened. Where would India be today if history happened differently? But its too late now, and Pakistan is its own sovereign country, and so is Bangladesh. Why do you want to keep on opposing each other, even after 70 years? How will Asia ever become strong, if we are constantly fighting amongst ourselves? China wants to make Asia strong, by building infrastructure in less developed countries like Pakistan, Bangladesh, Maldives, Sri Lanka, Nepal, because we believe building infrastructure is laying the foundations for countries to develop themselves. Look at the Western approach to terrorism. They invade Middle East country and bomb their cities, resulting in civilian casualties, and these people become angry and join the terrorists to fight against USA. For example, Al Qaeda was once trained by CIA, but eventually rebelled against USA. Even the formation of ISIL has been credited to USA's constant intervention in Middle Eastern wars. When a terrorist cell is destroyed, another one pops up in its place, so it is apparent that US approach simply does not work. So why should we follow their approach then, when its been fighting wars in Middle East for 15 years without end in sight?
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  4824.  @TPELaoY  You said: "Pleeeease save me the ancient Chinese wisdom lecture. China’s economy is faltering." 1990. The Economist: China's economy has come to a halt. 1996. The Economist: China's economy will face a hard landing. 1998. The Economist: China's economy entering a dangerous period of sluggish growth. 1999. Bank of Canada: Likelihood of a hard landing for the Chinese economy. 2000. Chicago Tribune: China currency move nails hard landing risk coffin. 2001. Wilbanks, Smith & Thomas: A hard landing in China. 2002. Westchester University: China Anxiously Seeks a Soft Economic Landing. 2003. New York Times: Banking crisis imperils China. 2004. The Economist: The great fall of China? 2005. Nouriel Roubini: The Risk of a Hard Landing in China. 2006. International Economy: Can China Achieve a Soft Landing? 2007. TIME: Is China's Economy Overheating? Can China avoid a hard landing? 2008. Forbes: Hard Landing In China? 2009. Fortune: China's hard landing. China must find a way to recover. 2010: Nouriel Roubini: Hard landing coming in China. 2011: Business Insider: A Chinese Hard Landing May Be Closer Than You Think. 2012: American Interest: Dismal Economic News from China: A Hard Landing. 2013: Zero Hedge: A Hard Landing In China. 2014. CNBC: A hard landing in China. 2015. Forbes: Congratulations, You Got Yourself A Chinese Hard Landing. 2016. The Economist: Hard landing looms for China. 2017. National Interest: Is China's Economy Going To Crash. 2018. The Daily Reckoning: China's Coming Financial Meltdown. 2019. BBC: China's Economic Slowdown: How worried should we be? 2020. New York Times: Coronavirus Could End China's Decades-Long Economic Growth Streak. 2021. Bloomberg: Chinese economy risks deeper slowdown than markets realize. 2022. Bloomberg: China Surprise Data Could Spell RECESSION. 2023. Bloomberg: No word should be off-limits to describe China's faltering economy. ... Yet it's already 2024 and China's economy is still going strong.
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  4864.  @rpg1663  So you have no answer for a force that's larger than the PLA? Then how to make a comparison where China is attacked by a much larger force? And yes, the United States lost the 20-year Afghan War to a bunch of insurgents, after pouring trillions of dollars into the Afghan War effort. The democratically elected Afghan President Ghani abandoned the country with carloads of U.S cash, and the 300,000 strong Afghan Army surrendered to the Taliban in weeks with minimal resistance. So if anything, this shows that wars aren't won by money and military equipment (as in the U.S case) yet why did you make the claim that "Wars are won by money and military equipment"? You said: "Russia has lost 10000 in less than a month" That's what Ukrainian media boasts, but how do you verify the figure? We won't know the true scale of the casualties until the conflict is over, and investigations are conducted. You said: "So in your perspective, Russia who can't go inside the capital and make the Ukraine's people, army, and government to surrender, is winning?!" No, my perspective is that Ukraine has literally been abandoned (Zelenskyy's own words) by NATO, since NATO isn't willing to put boots on the ground to defend Ukraine, and neither are they willing to impose a No-Fly Zone over Ukraine. Ukraine's admission into NATO is unlikely to be successful, because that would mean NATO is obliged to send troops to defend Ukraine if it were a member, and I can't see that happening in any case. So there's literally no way for Ukraine to turn the tide in its favor against Russia. You said: "The Blitzkrieg that Russia had planned is going really well right?" Putin has said that the military operation is going according to plan. As for whether it's a Blitzkrieg or not, Russia is taking extra precautions to minimize the civilian causalities as much as possible, that's why they aren't just leveling the capital and cities. But Zelenskyy is making it difficult by releasing prisoners and arming civilians with rifles, in order to inflict maximum civilian casualties. You said: "As for Zelenskyy asking for help, I believe it's quite easy to understand, since Ukraine is being invaded by a nuclear power country with a army 100 times bigger." But you claim Ukraine is winning, then why would NATO continue to send weapons to Ukraine if they were winning? Why would Zelenskyy call for a No-Fly Zone if Ukraine was winning? You said: "What a quick invasion and overthrown of the government, even with the president still in Kyiv lol." Doubts are beginning to surface of whether Zelenskyy is really in the capital Kiev. People have watched Zelenskyy's latest public address in Kiev, and it is suspected that he's possibly filming in front of a green screen of Kiev. The temperature of Kiev at night is freezing, below 0 ° C (32 ° F) and yet he's wearing a light coat and there's no vapor coming of his mouth. Search for "Zelenskyy Green Screen" to see what I mean. You said: "Fortunately not that strong though, and of course, with men (mostly kids) without moral to fight in a war against a country which didn't harm Russia" Zelenskyy literally just removed the age restriction on conscription, allowing kids to pick up weapons to fight and die for his refusal to surrender, yet you're complaining about "kids" in the Russian Army? You said: "It's pretty normal for the Ruble to have that short bullish behavior you've mentioned, but it has been going down once again during the last days." If NATO's strategy is to have the Ruble collapse, that appears to have failed, since the Ruble actually rose against the Dollar. Check it out, the Ruble has since regained some of its value after it's plunge, so it appears that the sanctions are backfiring on EU, UK and USA. You said: "You should check Ruble's value in the last 10 years, and see how healthy Russia economy is LOL. Also, you must be delusional if you think that Russia economy will not crumble." Russia's economy has not been destroyed for the past 10 years, despite pressure from US sanctions, so what makes you think the Russia economy does not know how to deal with sanctions? You think Putin did not prepare for sanctions from the West ahead of this military operation? You said: "Anyways, in one hand I feel quite surprised to see some Chinese people like you supporting separatists movements and illegal invasions, and war as whole." Because there has been shelling between Ukrainian Army, and the two republics, Donetsk & Luhansk for 8 years, of which over 13,000 people have been killed. From 2018 onward, around 80% of the civilians killed were in rebel-held regions in Donbas. Russia is not starting a war, they are putting an end to one that began in 2014 after the Ukrainian President Yanukoyvch was ousted in a coup d'etat orchestrated by the United States, and installing their own U.S puppet government in Ukraine. You said: "Let's see if you are on the same page when the same happens from within China, and some areas start to have separatists movements and want to become independent just like is happening in Ukraine." You're comparing apples to oranges in this scenario. Ukraine and Russia have their history different from China's history with our provinces, so you can't just take what's happening in Ukraine and Russia and superimpose it onto China.
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  4942. Here's an analogy taken off Weibo, to explain the Russo-Ukraine conflict in the form of a family drama: More than 20 years ago, Ukraine divorced her ex-husband (Russia), and took several children along with her. Still, the ex-husband was very accommodating to her and left her with a lot of family property. After that, the ex-husband also paid off more than 200 billion in debts for her. After getting rid of her ex-husband, Ukraine started flirting with the village chief (United States) and his harem of concubines (NATO countries) until she was completely ensnared in their arms. That's still acceptable to a certain point, (but) she was smitten with the village tyrant, and hooked up with him in a plan to attack her ex-husband. The ex-husband was very angry and had insisted on returning a child: Crimea. Ukraine began to harboring grudges against her ex-husband, and dreams of someday marrying into the NATO family. But the truth is that the village chief didn't really want to marry Ukraine into the family. After all, she was high-maintenance and loved to pocket his money (corruption). His many wives also didn't want Ukraine to join family, but in front of Ukraine, they were all smiles and encouraging her to join. The village chief just wanted to use her like a pawn to bully her ex-husband. After 8 years of constant abuse, her two children (Donetsk and Luhansk) were crying and imploring for help from their father. The village chief was always on the sidelines in the ex-husband and wife quarrel, occasionally sending in expired items (ammunition) from time to time. Because of that, Ukraine thought she had someone to support her, and became even more presumptuous towards her ex-husband. The ex-husband could bear it no longer, took another glance at the poor treatment of the children, and rushed over in defense of his two children, so the ex husband and wife started fighting. Now, the village chief and his many wives are cheering on Ukraine from the sidelines, yet none of them are willing to lift an actual finger and partake in the fighting themselves. Ukraine is unlikely to marry into the NATO family, because that would mean that the village chief and his many wives would be obliged to join the fight against the ex-husband. ... Hopefully this analogy puts the Russo-Ukraine conflict into perspective and on a more relatable level.
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  4965.  @fcl3294  You said: "Please explain the admiration for the free and open government of Taiwan." Taiwan had been under authoritarian single-party Kuomintang rule for more than half its life. For decades, the KMT ruled Taiwan with an iron fist and Chiang kai-Shek was a dictator who jailed/executed dissidents and political rivals in a period known as White Terror (白色恐怖). The 228 Incident of 1947, in which the KMT killed at least 18,000 Taiwanese civilians in response to a popular uprising and also summarily executed many local political and intellectual elites. Chiang also imposed martial law in Taiwan for 38 years, which was qualified as "the longest imposition of martial law by a regime anywhere in the world" at that time. Source: Wikipedia: Martial law in Taiwan, White Terror (Taiwan) Yet under authoritarian KMT rule, Taiwan actually flourished in what's known as the Taiwan Miracle (台湾奇迹). Between 1952 and 1982, Taiwan's economic growth was on average 8.7%, and between 1983 and 1986 at 6.9%. The gross national product grew by 360% between 1965 and 1986. The percentage of global exports was over 2% in 1986, over other recently industrialized countries, and the global industrial production output grew a further 680% between 1965 and 1986. Source: Wikipedia: Taiwan Miracle After Western style democracy was introduced to Taiwan (because the U.S threatened to cut off sales of weapons to the island if political reforms were not made), Taiwan's economy has since stagnated, wages are stagnant, cost of living is rising and Taiwan graduates are seeking job opportunities overseas, such as in mainland China or in places like Singapore.
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  4994. Here's western economists headlines about China's economy since 1990. 1990. The Economist: China's economy has come to a halt. 1996. The Economist: China's economy will face a hard landing. 1998. The Economist: China's economy entering a dangerous period of sluggish growth. 1999. Bank of Canada: Likelihood of a hard landing for the Chinese economy. 2000. Chicago Tribune: China currency move nails hard landing risk coffin. 2001. Wilbanks, Smith & Thomas: A hard landing in China. 2002. Westchester University: China Anxiously Seeks a Soft Economic Landing. 2003. New York Times: Banking crisis imperils China. 2004. The Economist: The great fall of China? 2005. Nouriel Roubini: The Risk of a Hard Landing in China. 2006. International Economy: Can China Achieve a Soft Landing? 2007. TIME: Is China's Economy Overheating? Can China avoid a hard landing? 2008. Forbes: Hard Landing In China? 2009. Fortune: China's hard landing. China must find a way to recover. 2010. Nouriel Roubini: Hard landing coming in China. 2011. Business Insider: A Chinese Hard Landing May Be Closer Than You Think. 2012: American Interest: Dismal Economic News from China: A Hard Landing. 2013. Zero Hedge: A Hard Landing In China. 2014. CNBC: A hard landing in China. 2015. Forbes: Congratulations, You Got Yourself A Chinese Hard Landing. 2016. The Economist: Hard landing looms for China. 2017. National Interest: Is China's Economy Going To Crash. 2018. The Daily Reckoning: China's Coming Financial Meltdown. 2019. BBC: China's Economic Slowdown: How worried should we be? 2020. New York Times: Coronavirus Could End China's Decades-Long Economic Growth Streak. 2021. Bloomberg: Chinese economy risks deeper slowdown than markets realize. 2022. Bloomberg: China Surprise Data Could Spell RECESSION. 2023. Bloomberg: No word should be off-limits to describe China's faltering economy. ... Yet the fact is that China's economy grew 5% in 2024. You're telling me you're believing all those headlines about China?
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  5134.  @skyeagle3123  It's actually thanks to China that information about the novel coronavirus is made known to the world, yet why'd you accused China of keeping Covid-19 a secret, when China has been sharing information about the coronavirus to other countries, through the World Health Organization and through scientific journals such as The Lancet? And you're saying now that Covid-19 was actually out in 2018 instead of 2019, then why didn't other countries report the coronavirus to the WHO? For example, the U.S CDC tested over 24,000 American blood samples from across all 50 states, dating back to 14th Dec 2019, and they detected the presence of Covid-19 antibodies. Antibodies takes around two weeks to develop, so this implies that Covid-19 was present in USA even earlier than 14th Dec 2019. Yet the USA, with their advanced medical technologies, the best doctors and medical expertise, still did not detect Covid-19 back in 2019? Instead it was up to China with our inferior medical expertise to detect this new pneumonia-like illness on 31st Dec 2019 and inform the World Health Organization? Then it's actually thanks to China pointing out the existence of this virus isn't it? Also, if you claim Covid-19 was man-made, then why did China release Covid-19 in Wuhan of all places? That would not only cause trouble for China, it also makes other countries point the finger at China, so how does your conspiracy theory that Covid-19 is man-made even make sense at all? As for the CPC member who owns 20 trillion dollars, who is this communist member? I've shown that most of the Communist Party members are farmers, herdsmen, fishermen, workers, managers, professionals, technicians, or administrative staff, who is this communist member who owns 20 trillion dollars? I mean, the richest man in the world currently is Elon Musk worth only 269 billion dollars. Behind Musk, Jeff Bezos of Amazon has an estimated net worth of 187 billion dollars. Bill Gates of Microsoft has a net worth of 131 billion dollars. Yet you're claiming that this unnamed communist party member owns 20 trillion dollars, more than all these richest people in the world?
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  5154. China once tried 'democracy' when Dr Sun Yatsen overthrew Qing dynasty and established Republic of China in 1911. But China was divided into many provinces ruled by individual warlords, we lost control of Tibet, and the Japanese even invaded. In the end, Dr. Sun died without ever realizing a unified China under democracy. Next China tried 'communism' and Mao Zedong managed to unify China and proclaim People's Republic of China in 1949 (which the previous Kuomintang failed to achieve for 37 years!) and Tibet became part of China again. But while Mao Zedong was excellent tactician, he was poor governor and his policies for China were disastrous. This led to Mao making self-criticism and stepping down as state chairman. So China tried 'capitalism' when Deng Xiaoping opened China up and reformed economic policies in 1970s, and China progressed rapidly. But university students began protesting for more democratic reforms and Deng didn't want that so he sent the People's Liberation Army to stop the protests in 1989. Deng Xiaoping refused to admit his mistake even till his death. Now, China is following 'socialism with Chinese characteristics' under President Xi Jinping and its still too early to tell whether we will be successful. But it shows that China has tried various political systems to various degrees of success, and each Chinese leader had some vision of China that he wished to achieve. They all contributed to China in some way or another, so China is not suffering from 'political stagnation' that the West seems to be suffering from.
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  5297.  Wally Wally  said "China food is for animal standards." Chinese food is delicious, and many people all over the world have professed their love of Chinese cuisine. Want something flavorful? Try our Sweet & Sour Pork. If you want something meaty, we have Peking Duck. If you want something light, we have Dim Sum Dumplings. If you're in a hurry, just grab convenient Baozi (Pork Bun) and eat it on the go. If you like mild spicy, care to try our Kung Pao Chicken? If you like very spicy, dare to try our Mapo Tofu? If you are vegetarian, we have vegetarian Springrolls. And we are tofu heaven. If you like rice, we have Fried Rice. If you like noodles, we have Chow Mein. If you like porridge, we have Congee. If you like soups, we have Hotpot. If you like seafood, well you're in luck, because Chinese love seafood too. Even other countries have adapted Chinese food to suit their local palette. America has Chinese food like _General Tso's chicken, Chop Suey, Beef Brocolli,_ etc. Japan has Chinese food like Ramen (拉麺), Mābō-dōfu (麻婆豆腐), Chashu (叉燒), etc. Korea has Chinese food like _Jajangmyeon (炸酱面) Jjamppong, Tangsuyuk (糖醋肉),_ etc. Australia has Chinese food like _Lemon Chicken, Chicken Stir-fried, Chow Sam See,_ etc. Canada has Chinese food like _Ginger Beef, Newfoundland Chow Mein, Thunder Bay bon bons,_ etc. Philippines has Chinese food like _Batchoy (肉脆), Hopia (好餅), Kiampong (鹹飯)_ etc. ... Sources: _Wikipedia: Chinese Cuisine, American Chinese cuisine, Australian Chinese cuisine, Canadian-Chinese cuisine, Filipino Chinese cuisine, Japanese Chinese cuisine, Korean Chinese cuisine,_ So many people love Chinese food both authentic or modified to suit their tastes, so what's wrong with Chinese food then? I heard that in America for example, there are more Chinese restaurants in United States, that there are Western fast-food restaurants like _McDonald's, Wendy's, Kentucky Fried Chicken,_ etc all combined.
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  5349.  @beautanner8409  Ethnic minorities in China (Tibetans, Uighurs, Mongols, Manchu, etc) aren't subject to the One Child Policy (unlike Han), so they can have as many kids as they want and the ethnic minority population in China has grown over the years. Ethnic minorities also enjoy special privileges over Han, such as tax exemption, priority in healthcare, free education for up to 15 years instead of just 9, government bursaries, and special education admission consideration. For example, if both a Han student and an ethnic minority student apply for the same university degree, if the Han candidate needs say 600 points to qualify, then the ethnic minority candidate needs say 400 points (which is easier to qualify) for the exact same university course. China is currently at peace and not at war with any country, since our last major conflict in 1979. Instead of making war, China is building infrastructure like roads, railways, highways, bridges, tunnels, powerstations, dams, ports, airports, etc and investing in developing countries like Sri Lanka, Nepal, Bangladesh, Pakistan, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Tajikistan, and also African countries like Nigeria, Kenya, Chad, Sudan, Ghana, Mozambique, Tanzania, etc. Whereas the United States is warmonger being involved in Gulf War, Iraq War, Afghan War, Libyan War, Syrian War, Yemen War, etc, even in the 21st century. USA is bombing in those Middle Eastern countries and enacting regime change by cutting off their "heads" (Saddam Hussein, Muammar Gaddafi, etc) and then installing their own US puppet governments in place. If anything, it sounds like the United States is a threat to global peace and stability here.
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  5407.  @martinlaoshi  "神州 Shenzhou You are trying to conflate abstaining with voting in support for Russia." I grouped those two together because if anything, those who abstained and those who voted in support for Russia represent countries that did not condemn Russia's military operation, unlike those that voted against Russia. And it's a fact that the combined population of these two groups represent around 50% of the world's population, so claiming that the world is against Russia's invasion isn't reality, because different countries have different population after all. You said: "Pretending like abstaining is taking a position against the US is living in a fantasy world." Really? So in your fantasy world, when China abstained from voting in the UN, that translates to as China not taking a position against the USA? That's great news, but why is USA acting like China is against the U.S position then? Why'd Jake Sullivan meet Yang Jiechi if China is not taking a position against the US? Why'd U.S President Biden meet with Chinese President Xi since China abstained and isn't taking a position against the U.S? You said: "That is not how abstaining works. If a country abstains you DO NOT count that country towards ANY SIDE. You only count those who vote for or against the resolution." Tell that to Jake Sullivan and Joe Biden then. Since according to you, China is not supporting Russia, so for what reason do they have to meet with Yang Jiechi and Xi Jinping? You said: "And if you do that the overwhelming majority of countries is against the invasion." That's true if you count the countries themselves. But of those countries who either abstained or those who voted for Russia, our populations represent around 50% of the world, especially if you include China and India. You said: "That's the reality, not the fanasy that you are trying to create." So in your reality, China abstained, therefore China is not taking a position against the US, then what for US have those meetings with China for? After all, China is not taking a position against the U.S according to your logic. You see where the flaw in your logic is?
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  5414.  @MarkYeung1  It's your own personal choice who you believe. According to my Jay Matthews source: Probably the most widely disseminated account appeared first in the Hong Kong press: a Qinghua University student described machine guns mowing down students in front of the Monument to the People’s Heroes in the middle of the square. The New York Times gave this version prominent display on June 12, just a week after the event, but no evidence was ever found to confirm the account or verify the existence of the alleged witness. Student leader Wu’er Kaixi said he had seen 200 students cut down by gunfire, but it was later proven that he left the square several hours before the events he described allegedly occurred. (So how could Wu’er Kaixi have seen those 200 students cut down by gunfire, when he left the square several hours before?) CBS correspondent Richard Roth’s story of being arrested and removed from the scene refers to “powerful bursts of automatic weapons, raging gunfire for a minute and a half that lasts as long as a nightmare.” Black and Munro quote a Chinese eyewitness who says the gunfire was from army commandos shooting out the student loudspeakers at the top of the monument. (So it was PLA commandos shooting at student's loudspeakers, not at the students themselves.) A BBC reporter watching from a high floor of the Beijing Hotel said he saw soldiers shooting at students at the monument in the center of the square. But as the many journalists who tried to watch the action from that relatively safe vantage point can attest, the middle of the square is not visible from the hotel. (So how could he have witness the shooting at the monument, when it wasn't visible from his vantage point?)
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  5455. +PrankFrank Why you keep repeat the same few points over and over and expect other people to believe you? Just because you keep repeating it? 1) Whether the goods are intermediary or not, Korean exports to China are worth US$124.4 billion, while export to USA is worth $66.8 billion. UK is less than $10 billion, and rest of Europe is not even mentioned at all in this article below. I don't know how you can still outright lie about Europeans being South Korea's major market over China and still expect people to believe you. South Korea's Top Trading Partners worldstopexports(dot)com/south-koreas-top-import-partners/ 2) Jeju is island south of Korea, and increased domestic tourists simply means more local Korean tourists visit the Island instead of Chinese tourists. This means money only circulate within Korea, and not between foreign tourists and Korea. Jeju doing well, but that doesn't represent the rest of S. Korea. American and European tourist percentage increases are still insignificant compared to Chinese tourists. In 2016, Korea has seen almost 7 000 000 Chinese tourists and only 600 000 US tourists, and negligible amount of European tourists. *What are the small percentage increase in US and European tourists going to matter when compared to decreases in Chinese tourists? 3) FlashMemory? Just come down to Shenzhen and you can find dozens varieties of flash drives for sale, made by Chinese companies locally. America and Europe may use Apple and Samsung, but China is world's largest mobile phone market, with 1 300 000 000 users, compared to USA's 300 000 000 users. This is reason why foreign mobile phone companies keep trying tap into Chinese market. Source: Wikipedia: List of countries by number of mobile phones in use
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  5466. ​ @elanor2123  I am ultimately a person of logic and facts over culture. Why can't I use those names since they fit the analogy? The U.S is really behaving like a village bully with his harem of concubines (i.e NATO countries) that follow his lead, therefore I think the names fit those roles and the analogy is appropriate. You said: "Then with the same logic, the whole world can be referred to as those names, lol" That's possible as well. You're welcome to come up with your own analogies using whatever names you choose, yet instead here you are complaining about my analogy and the names given to those countries? You said: "Do you think either country (U.S or Russia) would want the war to go out of hand?" Russia want's to bring the special military operation to a closure, but it appears that the United States is keen on fanning the flames of the conflict they started in Ukraine. The U.S is literally sending billions of dollars of lethal aid to Ukraine and it looks like their goal is to keep the Ukraine crisis going for as long as possible (to distract from domestic issues at home like inflation) You said: "Also, you should know that those oil/gas pipelines are one of the big places Russia profits from, and is a really important source of income which they would fight for, which is one of the many reasons Russia invaded Ukraine which they did not mention." Explain how did Russia had their military operation in Ukraine over the gas pipeline? Joe Biden literally threatened to cut off Nord Stream 2 pipeline supplying Russian gas to Germany, if Russia invaded Ukraine, so why would Russia do that then? You said: "And since a lot of European countries are afraid to act against Russia (although nearly all of them do), shouldn't it be a priority for countries who can influence the pipelines slowly take those countries out of Russia's influence?" EU countries literally depends on Russia for 40% of its energy needs, and it's actually this dependence that has fostered peace between Russia and Western Europe. Then why is it a "priority for countries" to upset this delicate balance between Russia and Western Europe? Putin had made it apparent that he wanted reassurances from NATO that it would not expand eastward (i.e that Ukraine not be allowed to join NATO). In fact, many NATO countries like France and Germany were reluctant to admit Ukraine into NATO (citing concerns over Ukraine government corruption issues) yet they refused to put this down in writing to reassure Putin. So after realizing that his words had fallen on deaf ears all these years, Putin finally decided to act. You said: "it is not an organization doing the U.S' bidding. Rather, it's an organization of Western powers combating socialism and communism, ," How is the NATO bombing of Yugoslavia combating socialism and communism? Or NATO's military intervention in Libya and Afghanistan and example of fighting socialism and communism? NATO is clearly serving the U.S interests in maintaining hegemonic dominance over the world. You said: "and a secondary organization for Western powers to discuss and take actions of things which weren't put into action of other bigger organizations," In other words, they are serving the U.S unilateral interests where multilateral organizations like UN made decisions not to. So the U.S is against multilateralism when the results goes against its own interests. You said: "Your next point consists entirely of statistics..and statistics does not mean everything, since they do not mention any of the small details or processes, but summarizes the outcome." You've just literally proven that statistics mean everything in the long run since they summarize the outcome. You said: "Russia devoted its attention on Ukraine in order to fully turn Ukraine into one of their territories, to be nearly indistinguishable from Russia." Back then, both Russia and Ukraine were part of the Soviet Union so what's wrong with them being indistinguishable? Even before the creation of the USSR, Ukrainians and Russians shared a common ancestry and much of Eastern Ukraine was part of the Russian Empire earlier. The name Ukraine is the old Slavic term for "borderland" after all and even Putin has stated that Ukrainians and Russians were originally one people if you look at the history. You said: "So, basically they wanted Ukraine to become a testing ground for their new (some dangerous) technologies, a place to leech off profits later on to invest in other areas, a strategically important location both economically and militarily." Could you list some examples of dangerous technologies that the communists tested in Ukraine? Or how exactly are "profits leeched off" to invest in other areas? Under the communists, there was no such thing as "profit" so what are you referring to by "profits" and what were they put to use in investing in? Ukraine is indeed a strategically important location both economically and militarily, that's why the Soviets stationed many Soviet troops, weapons and nukes in Ukraine. When the USSR collapsed, suddenly the ownership of these soldiers, weapons and nukes transferred from Russia to Ukraine, (that's why I said Russia left Ukraine with property in my analogy). After the dissolution of the Soviet Union, Ukraine held about one third of the Soviet nuclear arsenal. You said: "I wonder why you did not point out how many innocent lives were lost during its period under the USSR, the unfortunate events in history which scarred Ukraine up to this day" I keep asking you, why can't you point to me what horrible things Russia did to Ukraine? You're being so vague, you can't even pinpoint a single particular event, you just claim Russia did horrible things to Ukraine without any concrete examples whatsoever. What's the "dangerous" technology that the Soviet Union tested in Ukraine you tell me? You said: ", the fact that 90% of the people spoke out for their country's independence although ur statistics imply they should've been happy, the living memories and stories of countless people's experiences, and many many more.." Speaking out for their independence doesn't equal to the Russians treating the Ukrainians badly, it could be because Ukrainians have developed a sense of self-identity. You're just speculating without any concrete examples of the Russians doing horrible things to the Ukrainians, I mean, why can't you cite me any examples?
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  5476.  @ashpatel2505  "India hasn’t invaded or colonized any country!" Manipur regained its separate identity in 1947 but was reunified with India on 1949. Nagaland was inaugurated into India in 1963. Goa was annexed by India in 1961. Sikkim was occupied by the Indian Army in 1975 and was annexed into India. Even today, India continues to eye its neighbor, Pakistan's territory of Kashmir. "Do you know how many companies in U.K are owned by Indians and what is the ethnicity of U.K. Prime Minister?" Less than a thousand? Also, they are based in the UK and they contribute to British economy, not Indian economy. Whereas if you compare with China, there are numerous Chinese companies owned by Chinese and they include big brands like Huawei, Xiaomi, ZTE, Lenovo, Vivo, Oppo, DJI, and so on. The British PM Rishi Sunak is a British national, and he wasn't elected by the people of the UK. And he doesn't care about India, like during the King's coronation ceremony, some of the crown jewels were stolen from India decades ago, yet he keeps silent about it. "How many global and S&P 500 companies have Indian CEOs?" A company having an Indian CEO doesn't mean that that company is Indian owned. Microsoft has an Indian-American CEO, but the company is most definitely American, not Indian. How many Indian companies have made it onto the Top 500 companies?Did you know that China has the most companies (145) in the Fortune Global 500 companies, and that US is 2nd place with 124 companies? "India is trusted by most countries in the world, but the same can not be said about China." China has brokered many deals across the globe. Just look at the rapprochement deal between Saudi Arabia and Iran. What has India done in comparison?
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  5548.  @xpro2009  You said: "Maybe it would be appreciated more if they and spend more of their living times on board the train." Trains are a means to get to a destination, why would they want to spend more of their living time on board the train? China is a vast country and the advent of high-speed train has helped shorten the travelling time for passengers from days to just hours. Trains are not only the only mode of transport, China also has bike sharing services that allow people to rent bikes to commute to places easily and conveniently. "They also have to transact with some government officials for permit of some sort or interact with authorities, Then there would lie the nightmare and severe headache." We only need to buy a train ticket that's all, what permit are you talking about? For example, during the Spring Festival (Chinese New Year), it's become the *world's largest annual human migration (even larger than Christmas migration) as people return to their home provinces to spend the new years in their home town. Thanks to the advent of high-speed trains, the long journey home has been shortened from weeks to days (and even from days to hours) Yet you're saying that hundreds of millions of Chinese have to all apply for a permit just to take the train? "These has become the norm, the unspoken standard procedure that people become so sick with it and could only wish to get out." Look, all you need to do is purchase a train ticket online (or at the kiosk if you desire), what's all this permit or red tape that you keep on alluding to? Could you give an example of one such permit or red tape?
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  5560. Western economists have been predicting China's economic downfall since 1990s. 1990. The Economist: China's economy has come to a halt. 1996. The Economist: China's economy will face hard landing. 1998. The Economist: China's economy entering a dangerous period of sluggish growth. 1999. Bank of Canada: Likelihood of a hard landing for the Chinese economy. 2000. Chicago Tribune: China currency move nails hard landing risk coffin. 2001. Wilbanks, Smith & Thomas: A hard landing in China. 2002. Westchester University: China Anxiously Seeks A Soft Economic landing. 2003. KWR International: How to find a soft landing if China.. 2004. The Economist: The great fall of China? 2005. Nouriel Roubini: The Risk of a Hard Landing in China. 2006. International Economy: Can China Achieve a Soft Landing? 2007. TIME: Is China's Economy Overheating? Can China avoid a hard landing? 2008. Forbes: Hard Landing in China? 2009. Fortune: China's hard landing. China must find a way to recover. 2010. Nouriel Roubini: Hard landing coming in China. 2011. Business Insider: A Chinese Hard Landing May Be Closer Than You Think. 2012. American Interest: Dismal Economic News from China: A Hard Landing. 2013. Zero Hedge: A Hard Landing in China. 2014. CNBC: A hard landing in China. 2015. Forbes: Congratulations, You got Yourself A Chinese Hard Landing.... 2016. The Economist: Hard Landing looms for China. 2017. National Interest: Is China's Economy Going To Crash? 2018. The Daily Reckoning: China's Coming Financial Meltdown. ... But its already 2019, and China's economy is still going strong, so why continue believe Western anti-China propaganda, when their economic predictions been proven consistently wrong for almost 30 years already?
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  5573. @nationalghost You think the West does not copy from others at some point in history? A century ago, it was United States that was plagiarizing Europe. Charles Dickens, who visited Boston in 1842 found the city's bookstores rife with pirated copies of his novels, along with those of his countrymen. Source: A nation of outlaws archive.boston.com/news/globe/ideas/articles/2007/08/26/a_nation_of_outlaws/ Here are some exerpts American food vendors tampered with their products en masse, bulking out supplies with cheap filler, using dangerous additives to mask spoilage or to give foodstuffs a more appealing color. Candy contained arsenic and dyed with copper chloride; brewers mixed strychnine, to simulate the bitter taste of hops. Pickles contained copper sulphate, and custard powders yielded traces of lead. Sugar was blended with plaster of Paris, as was flour. Milk had been watered down, then bulked up with chalk and sheep's brains. In the literary realm, for most of the 19th century the United States remained an outlaw in the world of international copyright. The nation's publishers merrily pirated books without permission, and without paying the authors or original publishers a dime. When Dickens published a scathing account of his visit, "American Notes for General Circulation," it was immediately pirated in the United States. 19th-century American producers churned out counterfeit products in remarkable quantities, slapping fake labels on locally made knockoffs of foreign ales, wines, gloves, and thread. As one expose at the time put it: "We have 'Paris hats' made in New York, 'London Gin' and 'London Porter' that never was in a ship's hold, 'Superfine French paper' made in Massachusetts."
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  5625. +Darren Carter I have been to America (New York, San Fransico, Ames, Minneapolis) and sometimes have been told by rude Americans to "Go Back to China" and "Stop Stealing our Jobs" and other such things. My Chinese friends living there, say although on the surface its America is calm, below it has just as much racism below the surface and isn't that similar to what laowhy is going through in China? As for the different immigration policies, its up to each country whether they want to impose strict or lenient immigration policies. China has the world's largest population, and we don't really need more immigrants, so that's why applying for a citizenship in China is harder. But I am not talking about applying for citizenship alone, I'm talking about viewing yourself as one of the locals as compared to viewing yourself as a foreigner. Chinese Mandarin is the most spoken language in the world by the number of speakers. As for the language difficulty, it is relative and I can also say English is a difficult language to learn to isn't it? But as for Chinese courses, how rare are they exactly? Every part of the world has at least some Chinese people living there and there are bound to be tuition classes available to take. Another factor is immersion in culture also helps people pick up the language faster. For example, in America people speak English, Spanish, French, etc, and so on, so a Chinese person living in America may pick up other languages besides English. But in China, everything is in Chinese, so from a language viewpoint, it should be much easier to pick up Chinese when you are immersed in such a culture. The fact that laowhy and serpentza still speak such poor Mandarin, despite immersing themselves in China, hearing Mandarin all the time, taking on Chinese wives, and living in China for about 10-15 years (they arrive in China in early 2000s I think) clearly shows that they make little effort in adapting to Chinese culture and learning the language properly. Lastly, about your example of an Chinese living America and an Non-Chinese living in China. In your case, I would also agree that the Chinese living in America clearly doesn't consider herself an American. She clearly refuses to speak English, and assimilate into American culture properly. If you approach her and ask her personally, she will probably answer that she don't consider herself American, even if she's living in America. And your example is reflected in laowhy and serpentza living China, but not speaking the language or attempting to integrate into Chinese culture and language.
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  5651. @Tenzin Dhondup Previously, while Tibet was under Dalai Lama rule, Tibet was a brutal theocracy, where 95% of the population were slaves and the remaining 5% elites were slave owners. Tibetan mountainous soil is infertile, rainfall is scarce in the Himalayas, so the slaves had to work hard to feed the Tibetan population. Starvation was commonplace and theft of food was punished by torture, amputation and even skinning. There's this Tibetan drum called damaru that's made from human skulls, a drumskin made of human skin and drumstick made of human bone. The Dalai Lama was overly worshipped and his followers fought for the right to consume his saliva, his urine and even his feces, because he was considered a divine vessel. After Tibet returned back to China, Chinese workers began rapidly modernising Tibet, building roads, railways, streetlamps, running water, gas and electricity as well as introducing modern amenities like cars, computers, telephone cables, smartphones, the Internet, WiFi, online shopping (from Taobao) and so on. Under CPC, the first Tibetan colleges opened in Lhasa, offering degrees in both Tibetan and Mandarin Chinese languages. Hydroelectric powerstations were built by Chinese to supply Tibetan homes with electricity. Source: List of universities and colleges in Tibet wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_universities_and_colleges_in_Tibet Source: List of major power stations in the Tibet Autonomous Region wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_major_power_stations_in_the_Tibet_Autonomous_Region Chinese workers built the Qinghai-Lhasa railway (world's highest elevation railway) through dangerous mountainous terrain and low oxygen environments, to connect the normally isolated Tibet with the rest of the world. Tibet can now import food from the mainland to feed its population, and Tibet's population has tripled from 1 million in 1950s to over 3 million people today. A thriving tourist industry has even sprung up in Tibet.
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  5663. Ancient Chinese scholars been keeping meticulous records of our history. We know the names of all 650+ rulers of China, what period they ruled China, what sort of government they had, how many wives and concubines they had, how many sons and daughters they had, which daughters were married off and which son succeeded him and what happened to the rest of his children, how the emperor died, whether it was by court intrigue, poison or by rebellion. We know the size of the imperial court, how many ministers it had, how many eunuchs, the size of the imperial army, the names of the top generals, the battles they fought, the number of victories and defeats, the casualties and death toll of each battle, the territories conquered and lost, which territories became tributary states, the names of the leaders of suzerain kingdoms, how much tribute they paid to China, how much tribute they received from China in return, and so on. There is literally no period in China, where information isn't being recorded at all by Chinese scribes. China has among the world's most complete history and other Asian countries like Japan, Korea, Vietnam make use of Chinese records for information about their own country's history. China has even influenced Western history, and Chinese practices such as the Imperial Examinations resulted in the concept of a merit system, which spread from China to British India during the 17th century, and then into continental Europe. Source: List of rulers of China en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_rulers_of_China
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  5664. Skate Trooper Who are you calling dude here? A. There may be languages that derived from Latin, but it that doesn't mean Latin is not a dead language. Languages that evolve and change over the years, are often termed "living", whereas those with no new words added or no native speaker having it as 1st language, are often called "dead" languages like Latin and also Egyptian Hieroglyphs for example. B. You brought up Western clothing, and also said: "China today is nothing like China in the past" so why can't I point out that Chinese wear traditional clothing during Chinese New Year, even till today? Do Western people still wear togas like they did in the past? Chinese people wore luxurious silk clothing since 4th millennium BCE, while rest of the world mostly wore loincloths and "bedsheets" called togas. Even the pants that you claim were invented by Germanic tribes in Celtic tribes were actually from China. The oldest known trousers in the world are found at the Yanghai cemetery in Turpan, Xinjiang, western China, dated to the period between the 13th and the 10th centuries BC, and were made of wool and most likely made for horseback riding. C. Rome conquered countries and introduced Roman/Greek culture to those countries, but in China's case, it was the Mongolian and Manchu rulers who adopted Chinese culture instead. You claim Western Civilization is born when the Rome fell, so how does that imply that Roman culture is Western civilization then? Many Western historians agree that Rome did indeed fell, otherwise, is Rome empire alive today? Chinese "empire" survived to the modern day relatively intact (Tibet, Xinjiang, Inner Mongolia, Northern China, Southern China, Hainan Island, NorthEast China, etc) but is Roman empire (France, Germany, Britain, Spain, Italy, Egypt, etc) still alive today? D. The earliest evidence of crossbows comes from ancient China in the form of crossbow triggers dating back to the 6th century BC. Remnants of Intricate bronze crossbow were found in many Chinese tombs (including First Emperor's Tomb) but the wooden and degradable parts of the crossbow had long since rotted away. You were the one mentioning how China was still using chariots, so why can't I talk about weapons? Knights equipped with chainmail armor, were still vulnerable to high powered crossbow bolts fired by poorly trained peasants. And what Western military doctrine are you referring to? The are various Chinese military manuals, like Sun Zi's "The Art of War" 孙子兵法 and its topics are still taught in many modern military academies and sometimes applied to business and romance as well. As for revolutionizing warfare, the most significant invention was probably Chinese invention of gunpowder. E. I agree that many other countries can trace their heritage for thousands of years, but none as well as China. After the Fall of Rome, many European countries were plunged into the "Dark Ages" where little of their former glory is known and not much information being recorded about rulers, governments, armies, cities, etc. China has kept records of every Chinese ruler, their form of government, how many concubines the emperor had, how many sons and daughters the royal family had, which sons and daughters were killed, which son succeeded the emperor and what happened to the other children, etc. There is literally not a period in China where no information being recorded. China did not truly have a "dark age" like in Europe.
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  5686.  @garygraham8373  So the death toll estimates for the Great Leap Forward reached up to sixty million? If we take China's population at that time (1950s - 1960s) as 600 million, then 60 million dead means that around 10% of China's population perished. So you're saying that China lost up to 10% of our population during the Great Leap Forward (1958-1962)? Where did you get such an exaggerated death toll figures from? If anything, my previous graph indicates that China's population actually increased during the Great Leap Forward period. You said: "all population control measures are inherently nebulous" If you're referring to the One Child Policy, in the past China was still dirt-poor country, suffering from high birth rate, high child malnutrition, high child mortality, high illiteracy and other population problems at that time. Why allow families in China to raise multiple kids, only for them to starve to death, succumb to childhood diseases, and having not enough food, not enough hospitals, and not enough schools to send them all to? Why not make families focus all available resources into raising a single, healthy kid into adulthood, and get him into a good school? According to World Bank, China's extreme poverty rate fell from 88% in 1981 to a mere 0.7% in 2015. According to UNESCO, adult literacy rate in China increased from 65.5% in 1982 to a whopping 96.4% in 2015. This is an impressive feat considering that China is world's most populous country, yet attaining 0.7% extreme poverty and 96.4% literacy. Look at India, the world's 2nd largest population country, and India is suffering from high birth rate, high child malnutrition, high child mortality, high illiteracy and other population problems that China once suffered from in the past. Because India did not have any population control measures unlike China.
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  5702.  @fukushimaisrevelation2817  How does China have a Han racial superiority authoritarian mindset? Ethnic minorities in China like Tibetans, Uighurs, Mongols, Manchu, etc. aren't subject to the One Child Policy (unlike Han) so they can have as many kids as they want. Ethnic minorities in China also enjoy special privileges over Han, such as tax exemption, priority in healthcare, free education for 15 years (9 years for Han), government bursaries and higher education admission advantages. For example, if a Han candidate needs say 600 points to apply for a certain university course, then an ethnic minority candidate needs only say 400 points to qualify for the exact same course. So how is China being Han supremacist when there are numerous privileges offered to ethnic minorities compared to Han? Also you talked about American protestant missionary worldview values, but China is currently at peace and not at war with any country, since our last major conflict in 1979. Instead of making war, China is building infrastructure like roads, railways, highways, bridges, tunnels, powerstations, dams, ports, airports, etc and investing in developing countries like Sri Lanka, Nepal, Bangladesh, Pakistan, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Tajikistan, and also African countries like Nigeria, Kenya, Chad, Sudan, Ghana, Mozambique, Tanzania, etc. Whereas the United States is warmonger being involved in Gulf War, Iraq War, Afghan War, Libyan War, Syrian War, Yemen War, etc, even in the 21st century. USA is bombing in those Middle Eastern countries and enacting regime change by cutting off their "heads" (Saddam Hussein, Muammar Gaddafi, etc) and then installing their own US puppet governments in place. If anything, it looks like the United States is a threat to global peace and stability here.
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  5703.  @fukushimaisrevelation2817  So up till now, you've only been hearing one side of the story? And you've outright admitted that you've never visited China (nor will you ever visit) then why do you already harbor such a negative opinion of a country that you've never been? Previously China was a dirt-poor, war-torn, starving country in the past, but today China has since transformed into the world's 2nd largest economy, the world's factory (Made-in-China) having the world's 2nd largest R&D spending, protected by the world's largest land army, the PLA, funded by the world's 2nd highest military expenditure. And it's all been achieved under communist party leadership despite Western MSM constantly denouncing China's success all along. Have you asked yourself why do you harbor a negative opinion of a country that you've never even set foot and seen what life is like here for yourself? You're welcome to come here and talk to the ethnic minority populations and see how much life has improved for them. For example, the population of Uighurs in China has since tripled in size from 3 million (1953) to 11 million (2020) Population of Uighurs in China from 1953 to 2020 according to ethnic group censuses 1953: 3,640,125 1964: 3,996,311 1982: 5,917,030 1990: 7,207,024 2000: 8,399,393 2010: 10,069,346 2020: 11,774,538 ... How do you know that America is a war mongering nation but for good and not evil in general? Take Iraq for example, and former U.S President Bush accused Iraq of harboring Weapons of Mass Destruction, but after the Iraq War, no WMDs were ever found in Iraq. But the Iraq War resulted in the deaths of some 200,000 Iraqi civilians, according to Iraq Body Count then how is the USA a force for good when they kill people in other countries? Whereas China is not only improving our country, but China is also trading with other developing countries in Africa and South America, helping improve the quality of living in other countries. As for your last point about 5 billions copies of the Bible in print, you know which country is printing those Bibles? Answer: China. The world's largest Bible printer is China's Amity Printing Co, producing an average of 70 Bibles per minute, and they've just celebrated printing its 200 millionth Bible in 2019. So the question is why do you harbor such a negative view about our country, when China has found success through following our own path?
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  5763. ​ @markemailonly3114  You said: "Uyhgur's own unique culture and history are not appreciated enough and priority for their preservation be given by the state." Alright, do you have evidence to support this claim of yours? I check the Chinese Renminbi note, and our physical currency actually contain Uighur langauge (as well as Tibetan, Mongolian and Zhuang language) written on our currency itself, how's that for "not appreciating" Uighur culture? Since you brought up the Native Americans, does the American Dollar bill contain any Native American writing in them? I mean, I watch Chinese media like CGTN, CCTV, Xinhua (New China) TV, and they proudly showcase Uighur culture, cuisine (like naan flatbread & lamb kebabs) festivals, traditional clothing, playing traditional instruments, song and dance, then how is China not being appreciative of Uighur culture and its preservation? You said: "Uyghurs are different from the Han and should not be treated exactly alike." Uighurs (and other ethnic minorities like Tibetans, Mongols, Manchu, etc) are actually treated differently from Han. In China, ethnic minorities enjoy special privileges like tax exemption, priority in healthcare, free education for 15 years (9 years for Han), government bursaries and education admission advantages. For example, if a Han candidate and a Uighur candidate both want to apply for a certain university course, then if the Han needs say 600 points to qualify for this course, then the Uighur candidate needs only say 400 points (easier to apply) for the exact same course.
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  5769.  @HannarrMontannarr  "The centralisation of power without oversight does and has lead to enormous levels of corruption in china." India is democracy, without centralized government, but India actually has ranks higher on corruption levels than even China. Its because BJP and CPC rank among the world's largest political parties and that's why there are high levels of corruption within our political parties. Corruption is universal phenomena but at least under President Xi Jinping there are ongoing anti-corruption crackdowns dealing with the mountain of corruption within the party. China's economy is still growing and is even expected to surpass the US's by 2050, so what's wrong with CCP leading at the helm? And how do you know for sure that China's economy "could and should have grown faster and earlier" like Japan or South Korea? How exactly has the Communist Party been a disaster for China? The CCP is not perfect (then again, which government body is?) but despite its initial failures and setbacks, under its leadership, China's population doubled, our lifespans doubled, our literacy rates doubled and our poverty rates plummeted. Life Expectancy at Birth in China, Europe, USA and India http://www.china-profile.com/data/fig_WPP2010_L0_Boths.htm China was once a dirt-poor, war-torn, starving country similar to India in the past, yet China managed to lift 700 million people out of poverty in just 40 years! Just for comparison, the entire African population is about 1.2 billion so China lifted a number equal to HALF of Africa's entire population out of poverty in decades, as compared to what Westerners been doing in Africa for centuries. And it was all achieved under CCP leadership, so why do you claim the CCP is disaster for China?
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  5771. +Yumeha Minakami When did I ever said the bow itself was Chinese invention? The earliest bronze crossbow triggers were found in China, during an Age where much of the world was forging short bronze swords, so what's wrong with claiming crossbow is Chinese inventions? Besides the crossbow, Chinese also invented a repeating crossbow that is semi-automatic and can fire bolts repeatedly. A large siege version of it was also built on ships. China had siege engines like the triple-bow arcuballista and the Lian Nu, which could fire multiple bolts at one time. Chinese cavalry also made use of crossbows on horseback. Chinese also had armor of our own, (seen on unearthed terracotta soldiers) which influenced the development of Japanese samurai armor later. Mail armor isn't the best armor everywhere in the world, because while it was effective against bladed weapons, it was vulnerable to high powered arrows and crossbow bolts, which was why it wasn't widely used in China. Ancient Chinese people were the first people to discover pig iron, cast iron, and wrought iron, inventing the blast furnace and cupola furnace, and the bellows necessary to achieve the temperatures needed to melt iron ore, using coke as fuel. Chinese metallurgists also produced steel of our own, by repeated forging, folding, and stacking of wrought iron from pig iron, in a process known as Puddling. The first stirrups (that improved mounted combat) appeared during Han dynasty around this time. In seafaring, Chinese sailors invented the compass, the nautical steering rudder, bulkheads (to keep floods compartmentalization in a ship) as well as special Chinese-style sails, which resemble "fish-fins". Lastly, China invented paper and paper inventions like sky lanterns (the first hot air balloons) and kites used for battlefield signalling. 3D maps detailing terrain (like the one at 2:46 of the video) were invented in China to factor in the terrain during large confrontation, and in such battles the terrain was important part of the battlefield.
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  5811.  @fcl3294  You said: "The PRC has gone from extremly bad to just very bad." Previously, China was once a dirt-poor, war-torn, starving country in the past, but fast forward till today, and China has since transformed into the world's 2nd largest economy, the world's factory (i.e Made-in-China), having the world's 2nd largest R&D spending, protected by the world's largest land army, the People's Liberation Army, funded by the world's 2nd largest military spending. China has become the largest trading partner of many countries in the world, and China is currently at peace and not in a state of war with any country since our last conflict in 1979. In terms of freedom, Chinese are free to travel overseas for work, study or play. Before 2019, everyone has heard of Chinese tourists visiting your lands and spending coin on your tourist industry. Western schools and universities were positively flooded with Chinese international students, studying the same topics as their local peers. China was the world's largest source of outbound tourists and international students, yet you're claiming Chinese aren't free? In terms of quality of life, China's life expectancy has surpassed the U.S. Chinese are expected to live up to 77.1 years, compared to American's 76.1 years. It means that the gap in longevity at birth between people in the US and China has now widened to a full year. Poverty alleviation is at the forefront of the communist party's goals. According to the World Bank, more than 850 million Chinese people have been lifted out of extreme poverty; China's poverty rate fell from 88 percent in 1981 to 0.7 percent in 2015, as measured by the percentage of people living on the equivalent of US$1.90 or less per day in 2011 purchasing price parity terms, (which still stands in 2022.)
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  5820.  @everythingandmore5537  For the last eleven years the United States government, in a covert operation born of cynicism and hypocrisy, has collaborated with the genocidal Khmer Rouge in Cambodia. More specifically, Washington has covertly aided and abetted the Pol Potists' guerrilla war to overthrow the Vietnamese backed government of Prime Minister Hun Sen, which replaced the Khmer Rouge regime. The U.S. government's secret partnership with the Khmer Rouge grew out of the U.S. defeat in the Vietnam War. After the fall of Saigon in 1975, the U.S.-worried by the shift in the Southeast Asian balance of power-turned once again to geopolitical confrontation. It quickly formalized an anti-Vietnamese, anti-Soviet strategic alliance with China-an alliance whose disastrous effects have been most evident in Cambodia. For the U.S., playing the "China card" has meant sustaining the Khmer Rouge as a geopolitical counterweight capable of destabilizing the Hun Sen government in Cambodia and its Vietnamese allies. …… During his reign as National Security Adviser, Zbigniew Brzezinski played an important role in determining how the U.S. would support the Pol Pot guerrillas. Elizabeth Becker, an expert on Cambodia, recently wrote, "Brzezinski himself claims that he concocted the idea of persuading Thailand to cooperate fully with China in efforts to rebuild the Khmer Rouge.... Brzezinski said, " I encouraged the Chinese to support Pol Pot. I encouraged the Thai to help the DK [Democratic Kampuchea]. The question was how to help the Cambodian people. Pol Pot was an abomination. We could not support him but China could." …… Source: Third World Traveller: On the Side of Pol Pot: U.S. Supports Khmer Rouge thirdworldtraveler.com/US_ThirdWorld/US_PolPot.html by Jack Colhoun
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  5825.  @Jordie-c4k  You sound like the headlines about China from Western magazines since 1990 1990. The Economist. China's economy has come to a halt. 1996. The Economist. China's economy will face a hard landing. 1998. The Economist: China's economy entering a dangerous period of sluggish growth. 1999. Bank of Canada: Likelihood of a hard landing for the Chinese economy. 2000. Chicago Tribune: China currency move nails hard landing risk coffin. 2001. Wilbanks, Smith & Thomas: A hard landing in China. 2002. Westchester University: China Anxiously Seeks a Soft Economic Landing. 2003. New York Times: Banking crisis imperils China. 2004. The Economist: The great fall of China? 2005. Nouriel Roubini: The Risk of a Hard Landing in China. 2006. International Economy: Can China Achieve a Soft Landing? 2007. TIME: Is China's Economy Overheating? Can China avoid a hard landing? 2008. Forbes: Hard Landing In China? 2009. Fortune: China's hard landing. China must find a way to recover. 2010: Nouriel Roubini: Hard landing coming in China. 2011: Business Insider: A Chinese Hard Landing May Be Closer Than You Think. 2012: American Interest: Dismal Economic News from China: A Hard Landing. 2013: Zero Hedge: A Hard Landing In China. 2014. CNBC: A hard landing in China. 2015. Forbes: Congratulations, You Got Yourself A Chinese Hard Landing. 2016. The Economist: Hard landing looms for China. 2017. National Interest: Is China's Economy Going To Crash. 2018. The Daily Reckoning: China's Coming Financial Meltdown. 2019. BBC: China's Economic Slowdown: How worried should we be? 2020. New York Times: Coronavirus Could End China's Decades-Long Economic Growth Streak. 2021. Bloomberg: Chinese economy risks deeper slowdown than markets realize. 2022. Bloomberg: China Surprise Data Could Spell RECESSION. 2023. Bloomberg: No word should be off-limits to describe China's faltering economy. ... Yet it's already 2024 and China's economy is still going strong.
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  5854.  @adamperdue3178  You said: "(Such as- Nazi Germany, many Empires, the USSR, and China, to give a few examples)" Just wanted to point out that the Nazi Party was elected by the German people through Hitler preying on German people's resentment towards the humiliating Treaty of Versailles and he promised to make Germany great again. Much like Trump's MAGA campaign. You said: "1) There's so many abstractions here that by the time it gets to regional politics, let alone the federal level, the will of the people has been muddled so much as to become meaningless." China has the world's largest population at estimated 1.4 billion people, it's almost a given that determining the "people's will" is going to be a messy affair. Such a system has to be streamlined into the central government which "charts the direction China is taking", while the local provincial governments implements those policies at the local level. The CPC is in charge of long-term planning and all of China, whereas the local governments are in charge of short-term planning and the local regions. Ultimately, the local people's interests are subservient to all of China's interests. For example, the people of Shanghai may not like the lockdowns, but it is necessary in order to prevent the spread to other Chinese cities. You said: "2) Any individual candidate that runs for office, runs at the will of the CCP." Because in theory, the Communist Party of China is supposed to represent China itself. I know this is a difficult concept for many foreigners to grasp but most Chinese really believe that the CPC is China, and China is the CPC, and the two are inseparable. An individual has to be really, really, anti-China himself/herself, to be disallowed to run for office by the CPC. For example, if an individual wants to allow Western Imperialism into China, of course he/she would not be given approval by the CPC. And in the scenario where the CPC declines to the point where they are no longer representative of China, they will eventually be overthrown by the people. It has happened before many times throughout Chinese history, with the overthrow of tyrannical Chinese emperors. This means that the CPC has to constantly strive to represent China the best it can. You said: "3) China is by and large a 1 party system." The thing is, China's single party has total representation of all 100% of Chinese people's interests (or at least 80-90%). Whereas in a two party system like in the United States, there is only partial representation of American people's interests by either the Democrats or the Republicans, in perhaps around 51% of American's interest. This generates disgruntlement among the 49% that didn't vote for the winning party. (Note: Some believe the Democrats and Republican representation is even lower, perhaps representing only 1% of the Americans, if you know which 1% I'm referring to)
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  5865.  @richarde.halliburton8022  "神州 Shenzhou Thank you for your thoughtfyl reply to my comments" I try not to resort to hurling personal insults against others for their views (unlike those who call me ultra-nationalist or communist shill), I try to argue with points brought up where possible. You said: "China's "rise" post war with Japan would have been achieved much faster and with much less suffering had the Republic of China (Nationalist) forces prevailed against the Communists in 1949," So the question is why did Republic of China 🇹🇼 lose the mainland to People's Republic of China 🇨🇳 and had to flee to Formosa (Taiwan)? During the Chinese Civil War, the Nationalist Kuomintang had massive wealth (they taxed peasants heavily) they had superior weapons and superior numbers over the communists, yet they still lost the mainland to dirt-poor, heavily outnumbered, ill-equipped, starving Communist peasants and had to flee to Taiwan? This demonstrates KMT's gross incompetence in their right to rule the mainland, and solidifies the Communist's right to rule the mainland after 1949. I mean, the KMT literally lost the mainland to a bunch of dirt-poor, starving communist peasant conscripts, then why should they deserve to rule the mainland? During the ROC (1912-1949) era, there was hyperinflation as KMT kept on printing money. There were also numerous famines during ROC era, such as 1920–1921 North China Famine, 1928–1930 Northern China Famine, 1936–1937 Sichuan-Gansu Famine, 1942–1943 Henan Famine and others. So there is no guarantee that had the KMT succeeded over the Communists, they would have avoided the Great Chinese Famine, given their history of famines during ROC period.
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  5881. Here's a Chinese analogy taken off Weibo, to explain the Russo-Ukraine conflict in the form of a family drama: More than 20 years ago, Ukraine divorced her ex-husband (Russia), and took several children along with her. Still, the ex-husband was very accommodating to her and left her with a lot of family property. After that, the ex-husband also paid off more than 200 billion in debts for her. After getting rid of her ex-husband, Ukraine started flirting with the village chief (United States) and his harem of concubines (NATO countries) until she was completely ensnared in their arms. That's still acceptable to a certain point, (but) she was smitten with the village tyrant, and hooked up with him in a plan to attack her ex-husband. The ex-husband was very angry and had insisted on returning a child: Crimea. Ukraine began to harboring grudges against her ex-husband, and dreams of someday marrying into the NATO family, which in turn would lead them right up to her ex-husband's doorstep. But the truth is that the village chief didn't really want to marry Ukraine into the family. After all, she was high-maintenance and loved to pocket his money (corruption). His many wives also didn't want Ukraine to join family, but in front of Ukraine, they were all smiles and encouraging her to join. The village chief just wanted to use her like a pawn to bully her ex-husband. After 8 years of constant abuse, her two children (Donetsk and Luhansk) were crying and imploring for help from their father. The village chief was always on the sidelines in the ex-husband and wife quarrel, occasionally sending in expired items (ammunition) from time to time. Because of that, Ukraine thought she had someone to support her, and became even more presumptuous towards her ex-husband. The ex-husband could bear it no longer, took another glance at the poor treatment of the children, and rushed over in defense of his two children, so the ex husband and wife started fighting. Now, the village chief and his many wives are cheering on Ukraine from the sidelines, yet none of them are willing to lift an actual finger and partake in the fighting themselves. Ukraine is unlikely to marry into the NATO family, because that would mean that the village chief and his many wives would be obliged to join the fight against the ex-husband. ... Hopefully this analogy puts the Russo-Ukraine conflict into perspective and on a more relatable level.
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  5887.  @zszs100  Westerners have long been predicting China's economic downfall. Here's a compiled list: 1990. The Economist: China's economy has come to a halt. 1996. The Economist: China's economy will face hard landing. 1998. The Economist: China's economy entering a dangerous period of sluggish growth. 1999. Bank of Canada: Likelihood of a hard landing for the Chinese economy. 2000. Chicago Tribune: China currency move nails hard landing risk coffin. 2001. Wilbanks, Smith & Thomas: A hard landing in China. 2002. Westchester University: China Anxiously Seeks A Soft Economic landing. 2003. KWR International: How to find a soft landing if China.. 2004. The Economist: The great fall of China? 2005. Nouriel Roubini: The Risk of a Hard Landing in China. 2006. International Economy: Can China Achieve a Soft Landing? 2007. TIME: Is China's Economy Overheating? Can China avoid a hard landing? 2008. Forbes: Hard Landing in China? 2009. Fortune: China's hard landing. China must find a way to recover. 2010. Nouriel Roubini: Hard landing coming in China. 2011. Business Insider: A Chinese Hard Landing May Be Closer Than You Think. 2012. American Interest: Dismal Economic News from China: A Hard Landing. 2013. Zero Hedge: A Hard Landing in China. 2014. CNBC: A hard landing in China. 2015. Forbes: Congratulations, You got Yourself A Chinese Hard Landing.... 2016. The Economist: Hard Landing looms for China. 2017. National Interest: Is China's Economy Going To Crash? 2018. The Daily Reckoning: China's Coming Financial Meltdown. 2019. Zero Hedge: Seven Reasons Why China Is Facing A Hard Landing In 2019 ... But its already 2021, and China's economy is still going strong. So why continue to believe China's economy will fall, given that Western economist predictions about China's collapse been proven consistently wrong for almost 30 years already?
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  6022.  @KrunoslavStifter  You said: "He won the civil war, but it was far from his doing." During the Chinese Civil War, the communists were at a severe disadvantage; they were mostly poorly trained peasants, their weapons were inferior, and they had far fewer numbers (only 50 communist members in 1921) over the Nationalist Kuomintang. The KMT on the other hand, had massive wealth (they taxed the peasants heavily) they had superior weapons, better training, and far superior numbers over the the communists. Securing victory against the communists should have been a piece of cake for the KMT. Yet despite the odds, the communists survived all KMT attempts to wipe them out, employing strategies like "Long March" (长征) and despite KMT's initial advantages, the KMT still lost the mainland to communists and had to flee to Formosa (Taiwan). If anything, this demonstrates KMT's gross incompetence in their right to rule the mainland, as well as cementing the communists right to rule China. If you truly know about the democracy you speak about, then Mao Zedong clearly had the support of the people of mainland China. As for Tibet, the Tibetans themselves signed the Seventeen Point Agreement for the Peaceful Liberation of Tibet (中央人民政府和西藏地方政府关于和平解放西藏办法的协议) in 1951, thus affirming Chinese sovereignty over Tibet. Source: Wikipedia: Seventeen Point Agreement So there is this legally binding agreement signed by the Tibetans themselves acknowledging Chinese sovereignty over Tibet. Even today, countries all over the world recognise the Tibet Autonomous Region as part of the People's Republic of China, because they include Tibet in maps of China.
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  6056. Westerners have long been predicting China's economic downfall. Here's a list: 1990. The Economist: China's economy has come to a halt. 1996. The Economist: China's economy will face hard landing. 1998. The Economist: China's economy entering a dangerous period of sluggish growth. 1999. Bank of Canada: Likelihood of a hard landing for the Chinese economy. 2000. Chicago Tribune: China currency move nails hard landing risk coffin. 2001. Wilbanks, Smith & Thomas: A hard landing in China. 2002. Westchester University: China Anxiously Seeks A Soft Economic landing. 2003. KWR International: How to find a soft landing if China.. 2004. The Economist: The great fall of China? 2005. Nouriel Roubini: The Risk of a Hard Landing in China. 2006. International Economy: Can China Achieve a Soft Landing? 2007. TIME: Is China's Economy Overheating? Can China avoid a hard landing? 2008. Forbes: Hard Landing in China? 2009. Fortune: China's hard landing. China must find a way to recover. 2010. Nouriel Roubini: Hard landing coming in China. 2011. Business Insider: A Chinese Hard Landing May Be Closer Than You Think. 2012. American Interest: Dismal Economic News from China: A Hard Landing. 2013. Zero Hedge: A Hard Landing in China. 2014. CNBC: A hard landing in China. 2015. Forbes: Congratulations, You got Yourself A Chinese Hard Landing.... 2016. The Economist: Hard Landing looms for China. 2017. National Interest: Is China's Economy Going To Crash? 2018. The Daily Reckoning: China's Coming Financial Meltdown. 2019. Zero Hedge: Seven Reasons Why China Is Facing A Hard Landing In 2019 ... But its already 2021, and China's economy is still going strong. So why they continue to believe China's economy will fall, given that Western economist predictions about China's collapse been proven consistently wrong for almost 30 years already?
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  6089. ​ @DerekYoung1  They've been saying that about China since 3 decades ago. 1990. The Economist: China's economy has come to a halt. 1996. The Economist: China's economy will face hard landing. 1998. The Economist: China's economy entering a dangerous period of sluggish growth. 1999. Bank of Canada: Likelihood of a hard landing for the Chinese economy. 2000. Chicago Tribune: China currency move nails hard landing risk coffin. 2001. Wilbanks, Smith & Thomas: A hard landing in China. 2002. Westchester University: China Anxiously Seeks A Soft Economic landing. 2003. KWR International: How to find a soft landing if China. 2004. The Economist: The great fall of China? 2005. Nouriel Roubini: The Risk of a Hard Landing in China. 2006. International Economy: Can China Achieve a Soft Landing? 2007. TIME: Is China's Economy Overheating? Can China avoid a hard landing? 2008. Forbes: Hard Landing in China? 2009. Fortune: China's hard landing. China must find a way to recover. 2010. Nouriel Roubini: Hard landing coming in China. 2011. Business Insider: A Chinese Hard Landing May Be Closer Than You Think. 2012. American Interest: Dismal Economic News from China: A Hard Landing. 2013. Zero Hedge: A Hard Landing in China. 2014. CNBC: A hard landing in China. 2015. Forbes: Congratulations, You got Yourself A Chinese Hard Landing.... 2016. The Economist: Hard Landing looms for China. 2017. National Interest: Is China's Economy Going To Crash? 2018. The Daily Reckoning: China's Coming Financial Meltdown. 2019. Zero Hedge: Seven Reasons Why China Is Facing A Hard Landing In 2019 2020. Forbes: Remember The China 'Hard Landing'? We Got One. 2021. Bloomberg: Chinese economy risks deeper slowdown than markets realize. 2022. Bloomberg: China Surprise Data Could Spell R-e-c-e-s-s-i-o-n. 2023. Bloomberg: No word should be off-limits to describe China's faltering economy. ... Yet it's already 2024 and China's economy is still going strong.
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  6125.  @peterhanssens7260  You said: "Unfortunately, this is why China either steals intellectual property to make up for lost time or doesn't want to invest in the effort of innovation" Who says China does not invest in innovation? The Chinese government is pouring funds into research and development, and China already has world's 2nd highest R&D spending after the USA: Countries by Research and Development spending 1. United States ($612.7 billion) 2. China ($514.8 billion) 3. Japan ($172.6 billion) 4. Germany ($131.9 billion) 5. South Korea ($100.0 billion) 6. India ($66.5 billion) 7. France ($63.6 billion) 8. United Kingdom ($51.7 billion) ... Source: wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_research_and_development_spending#List In the West, researchers often have to worry about funding, so they write papers and cite other peoples work to improve their credibility, so that they can expand their academic circles, get approval of grants so that they can publish more papers. It has degenerated into an academic system and many researcher's ideas remain on paper, instead of being turned into actual products. Whereas in China, research funds are available at all tiers of society, from corporate to government sector, and a struggling research can easily get a $40,000 funding approval, thus freeing the researcher to concentrate on his/her research instead of having to worry about funding. The idea-to-product transition time in China is short too, so many researchers can feel a sense of satisfaction, witnessing their ideas being turned to actual products.
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  6132.  @huiyangong1073  When Tibet was under their own Dalai lama rule, Tibet was brutal theocracy where 95% of Tibetans were slaves and the top 5% were slave owners. Tibetan mountainous soil is infertile, rainfall is low and the slaves had to work hard to feed the population. Starvation and crime were commonplace, theft was punished by amputation, even skinning! There is this Tibetan drum known damaru that is composed of human skulls, with drumskin made from human skin and drumstick made by human bone. The Dalai Lama was worshipped as holy person, and his followers fight among themselves for the right to consumer his saliva, his urine (and even his feces) because Dalai Lama was seen as a divine vessel. After Tibet returned China, Chinese help modernise and develop Tibet, building roads, streetlamps, running water, gas and electricity, as well as introducing modern technology like cars, computers, smartphones, the Internet, WiFi, online shopping, and so on. Even the poorest Tibetan farmer owns a smartphone and can shop online in Taobao and have purchases shipped all the way to Lhasa. Under Chinese rule, the first Tibetan universities were founded in Lhasa, and hydroelectric powerstations were built in Tibet to supply green energy to Tibetans. The Qinghai-Lhasa (world's highest elevation railway) was built through difficult mountainous terrain and low oxygen environments to connect the normally isolated Tibet to rest of the world. Tibetans can now import food from the mainland and a thriving tourist industry has sprung up in Tibet. Sources: List of universities and colleges in Tibet wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_universities_and_colleges_in_Tibet List of major power stations in the Tibet Autonomous Region wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_major_power_stations_in_the_Tibet_Autonomous_Region Therefore, I would make the claim that Tibetans lives have improved a lot under Chinese rule.
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  6228.  @echelon2k8  "Is a yes or no answer to that question really too much to ask?" Because the question is phrased to limit the answer to only one of two options. It's an example of what's called a false dichotomy used in an argument to force your opponent into an extreme position by making the assumption that there are only two positions, when there are other possible options available. You said: "China likes to pretend that they're always neutral by not taking sides or interfering in other nations affairs, yet they also say that they want to continue to do trade with both Russia and the Ukraine at this time as per usual." Yeah, what's wrong with that? Isn't that usually what neutral countries do by continuing trading with both Russia and Ukraine at this time per usual? Otherwise what would a true neutral country do in this position if not continue trading with both countries? You said: "Where everyone else is putting sanctions where they are rightly deserved for an invasion of another sovereign country, China has not condemned Russia, they are instead financially supporting them." Not everyone else, even India (world's largest self-declared democracy) has abstained from the UN assembly vote and isn't condemning Russia, just like China. In fact, India just recently purchased 3 million barrels of oil from Russia at a discount (and in rupees too!) You said: "Supporting the likes of a dictator (someone who China's leader has given a friendship medal to and declared a no limits partnership with) who would threaten nuclear war to anyone who would get in his way." Sounds just like USA supporting Saudi Arabian monarchy and their crown prince murdering a reporter, Jamal Khashoggi, and getting no condemnation from the USA. You said: "The world won't forget China's role in this any time soon, especially if they themselves ever attempt to invade another democracy, such as Taiwan." Taiwan is part of China (according to their own constitution) so how can China invade ourselves? In fact, most of the world (including USA, UK, Canada, Australia, EU countries, etc) recognizes Taiwan as part of China. Since Taiwan hasn't formally declared independence, then by default, Taiwan is part of China under their own constitution.
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  6229.  @ryanshiflett2178  Russia was helping to guarantee the Donetsk and Lugansk side of the Minsk Agreements, while France and Germany were supposed to guarantee Ukraine's side. But the Ukrainian ultra-nationalists neo nazis continued their shelling of those two regions for 8 years. According to UN statistics, some 13,000 people have been killed in the Ukraine civil war, and from 2018 onwards, some 80% of civilian casualties occurred on rebel held territories in Donbas. You said: "I am not denying that ultra-right groups in Ukraine are not an issue; they are, and they are also a major problem in Russia as well." Russia's far right groups do not dominate Russian politics to the level that Ukrainian ultra-nationalist neo-nazis do. There are several documentaries depicting Ukrainian fascism, by BBC and other Western documentaries. Most famous is Oliver Stone's 2016 documentary Ukraine On Fire, that explores fascism in Ukraine. Nazi Idols such as Stepan Bandera are still worshiped in Ukraine, and they even held Nazi "summer camps" to indoctrinate Ukrainian youth into the ideology. You said: "But Russia has no right to send its troops into another country without that country's consent... Fighting was limited to Donbass before, and now there is a full-scale war all over Ukraine..." Russia had declared Donetsk and Lugansk as independent republics, and Ukraine was about to launch yet another salvo of artillery fire into the two republics, so Russia stepped into put an end to the war that had been ongoing since the 2014 coup of Ukraine's government by the USA. When Germany attacked Poland during WWII, the Allies eventually took the fighting to Germany itself instead of just limiting their fighting to Poland right? Moscow is doing the same by taking the fighting to Kiev itself.
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  6230.  @echelon2k8  It is a false dichotomy, because it erroneously limits what options are available. China is neutral, so the answer may not necessarily be yes or no, those are answers meant for allies or enemies, not neutral countries. You said: "Are you Chinese, yes or no? "Well, actually I'm something else". You see how stupid that sounds?" There are people who are half-Chinese, so how's it stupid to pick a different answer other than yes or no? That's the fallacy of the false dichotomy because the issues are more complex than just two absolutes. You said: "A neutral country would be staying out of this completely, not be giving a country with sanctions imposed upon it for invading another country the ability to get around those sanctions." Do you actually have evidence of China giving Russia the ability to get around sanctions? Otherwise, what's wrong with China continuing to trade with both Ukraine and Russia like a neutral country would? You said: "When I say everyone else in this situation, I obviously mean the majority," Well, if you add up the populations of China, India, Pakistan and the rest of other countries that abstained in the UN assembly, it turns out that we make up more than 50% of the world's population, so it means our countries are the majority here. You said: "...not those who have placed relying on Russia for a particularly commodity as being more important to them than standing up for what's right." Well, did you know that even right now at this instant, EU countries are continuing purchasing Russian gas, despite all those other sanctions they thrown at Russia? So you're saying EU countries value this commodity than "standing up for what's right"? Are you perhaps one of those Social Justice Warriors that pounce on anyone who says anything politically incorrect? You said: "If not, what do you expect the US to do here?" Nothing, I'm just pointing out that USA continues to support a dictatorship like Saudi Arabia, since you talked about "supporting the likes of a dictator" You said: "Taiwan being part of China according to Taiwan's constitution does not mean that Taiwan is part of the Communist Party of China's China." Turns out that the People's Republic of China 🇨🇳 also claims Taiwan as part of China, just like Taiwan's Republic of China 🇹🇼 constitution. In fact, Taiwan's constitution also claims the whole of mainland (including Tibet, Xinjiang, Inner Mongolia, Manchuria, etc) as part of their territory, including territory currently under the control of Mongolia, Myanmar, Bhutan, India, Japan, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Russia and Tajikistan. Just look up Map of ROC Administrative and Claims to see the amount of territory Taiwan claims. You said: "Mainland China is separate from Taiwanese China as it has two separate ruling governments with two separate constitutions." China is special in the sense that we allow separate government systems within our territory, known as the One Country, Two Systems policy. Just like Hong Kong has their own separate government from mainland China, yet Hong Kong is part of China, just like Taiwan is part of China. Having separate governments doesn't mean that they aren't separate, because their constitution says that Hong Kong and Taiwan are part of China. You said: "Taiwanese ruled China isn't a part of Mainland ruled China any more than Mainland ruled China isn't a part of the Taiwanese ruled China." Taiwan can continue to claim the mainland in their constitution, then can't the mainland claim Taiwan in our constitution? Since there hasn't been any amendments to Taiwan's constitution, then by default, Taiwan is part of China. You said: "Taiwanese ruled China isn't a part of Mainland ruled China any more than Mainland ruled China isn't a part of the Taiwanese ruled China." But since we know both parties claim to be China, there's a mutual understanding of the One China Policy, that Taiwan is part of China, so how can a country invade ourselves? If anything, conflict between Taiwan and the mainland would be seen as a continuation of the previously stalled Chinese Civil War between the Nationalist Kuomintang and the Communists, that never truly ended. It's certainly not an invasion of another country, it's a civil war within the same country, China, as recognized by both parties.
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  6231.  @ryanshiflett2178  But the ultra-nationalists have taken over Ukraine's policies regarding Donbass, that's why there's been continued shelling of Donetsk and Lugansk for the past 8 years, and the Minsk Agreement wasn't able to be honored. Zelenskyy was elected because of his promise to bring peace to the Donbas region, yet he was unable to do so because the Azov Battalion threatened his life if he signed the Minsk Agreement. So Russia is not going to continue doing nothing while the killing of ethnic Russians in Donbass region continues and they have decided to act. You said: "Russia declared the republics as independent, but that does not make them independent by nature." Well, it makes Donetsk and Lugansk independent republics in Russia's eyes at least. And Ukraine's continued shelling of the two republics is seen by Russia as attack on two sovereign republics (much like how Germany attacked Poland) so Moscow took the fighting to Kiev, in very much the same way the Allies took the fighting to Germany itself, rather than limiting the fighting to Poland. The first part of my analogy involves three parties (Germany, Poland and the Allies) and the second part also involves three parties (Ukraine, Donbas republics, and Russia). Russia perceives the continued Ukrainian attacks on the two republics the same way the Allies perceive Germany's attack on Poland, and instead of limiting the fighting to Donbas, Moscow has taken the fighting to Kiev very much the same way the Allies took the fighting to Germany instead of limiting it to Poland.
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  6293. The Economist: "Taiwan is the most dangerous place on Earth" Also 1990. The Economist: China's economy has come to a halt. 1996. The Economist: China's economy will face hard landing. 1998. The Economist: China's economy entering a dangerous period of sluggish growth. 1999. Bank of Canada: Likelihood of a hard landing for the Chinese economy. 2000. Chicago Tribune: China currency move nails hard landing risk coffin. 2001. Wilbanks, Smith & Thomas: A hard landing in China. 2002. Westchester University: China Anxiously Seeks A Soft Economic landing. 2003. KWR International: How to find a soft landing if China.. 2004. The Economist: The great fall of China? 2005. Nouriel Roubini: The Risk of a Hard Landing in China. 2006. International Economy: Can China Achieve a Soft Landing? 2007. TIME: Is China's Economy Overheating? Can China avoid a hard landing? 2008. Forbes: Hard Landing in China? 2009. Fortune: China's hard landing. China must find a way to recover. 2010. Nouriel Roubini: Hard landing coming in China. 2011. Business Insider: A Chinese Hard Landing May Be Closer Than You Think. 2012. American Interest: Dismal Economic News from China: A Hard Landing. 2013. Zero Hedge: A Hard Landing in China. 2014. CNBC: A hard landing in China. 2015. Forbes: Congratulations, You got Yourself A Chinese Hard Landing.... 2016. The Economist: Hard Landing looms for China. 2017. National Interest: Is China's Economy Going To Crash? 2018. The Daily Reckoning: China's Coming Financial Meltdown. 2019. Zero Hedge: Seven Reasons Why China Is Facing A Hard Landing In 2019 2020. Forbes: Remember The China 'Hard Landing'? We Got One. ... But its already 2022, and China's economy is still going strong.
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  6306.  @jp95js  You said: "I also know that the Vietnamese in spite of having a large Chinese community in their Country for many generations do not like them as well." Many Vietnamese nationalists forgotten what the Communist Party of China did for Vietnam Independence from France. During the First Indochina War, China supplied and provided the Việt Minh guerrilla forces with almost every kind of crucial and important supplies and material required, such as food (including thousands of tonnes of rice), money, medics and medical aid and supplies, arms and weapons (ranging from artillery guns (24 of such were used at the Battle of Dien Bien Phu) to rifles and machine-guns), ammunition and explosives and other types of military equipment. 2,000 military advisors from the PRC and the Soviet Union trained the Việt Minh guerrilla force with the aim of turning it into a full-fledged armed force to fight off their French colonial masters and gain national independence. On top of this, the PRC sent two People's Liberation Army (PLA) artillery battalions to help Vietnam fight for independence. From 1950 to 1954 the Chinese government shipped goods, materials, and medicine worth $43 billion (in 2019 dollars) to Vietnam. From 1950 to 1956 the Chinese government shipped to Vietnam: -155,000 small arms, -58 million rounds of ammunition, -4,630 artillery pieces, -1,080,000 artillery shells, -840,000 hand grenades, -1,400,000 uniforms, -1,200 vehicles, -14,000 tons of food, -26,000 tons of fuel. ... Source: Wikipedia: First Indochina War Yet many Vietnamese nationalists conveniently forgotten what China did for Vietnam independence, some Vietnamese even claimed that they won their independence all by themselves, forgetting the aid that China sent them.
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  6324.  @Legacy241  Here's a video entitled: Tibet: The Truth by Monarex Hollywood about the slavery in Tibet under the Dalai Lama rule. YouTube will prompt you that this video is offensive and inappropriate. Video: TIBET - The Truth [Chinese subtitles] HD youtu.be/Wvo8MXny5XI (Warning: Footage may be offensive or inappropriate for some viewers) Taiwan had been under authoritarian single-party KMT rule for more than half its life. For decades the KMT ruled Taiwan with iron fist and Chiang kai-shek was a dictator who jailed and executed dissidents and political rivals (whether real or perceived) in a period known as White Terror (白色恐怖) and imposed martial law on Taiwan for more than 38 years, which was qualified as "the longest imposition of martial law by a regime anywhere in the world" at that time. Source: White Terror (Taiwan) wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Terror_(Taiwan) But under authoritarian single-party KMT rule, Taiwan actually flourished and prospered, in what's known as the Taiwan Miracle (台湾奇迹). Between 1952 – 1982, Taiwan's economic growth was on average 8.7%, and between 1983 – 1986 at 6.9%. Taiwan GDP grew by 360% between 1965 – 1986. The percentage of global exports was over 2% in 1986, over other recently industrialized countries, and the global industrial production output grew a further 680% between 1965 – 1986. And its all been achieved under KMT leadership. Source: Taiwan Miracle wikipedia.org/wiki/Taiwan_Miracle Only in the late 1990s, when democracy was introduced (because USA threatened to cut off weapons sales to Taiwan) did Taiwan's economic growth became more modest. Today, Taiwan's economy is in a slump, wages are stagnant, cost of living is rising, unemployment is rising and Taiwan graduates are leaving the island and seeking employment opportunities abroad in places such as Singapore and mainland China. You're the one who constantly thinks the absolute worst of China no matter what, you constantly s**t on China's achievements and mock Chinese infrastructure and so on. You're just anti-China that's all, because you can't stand to see China succeed.
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  6333.  @Faceless-Patriote  You asked: "Anyway, why is this great, wealthy and prosperous Nation like China, still disputing some rugged mountainous, inhabited piece of land?" China has 14 land neighbors which is the most number of land neighbors in the world (tied with Russia) and China patiently sit down one-to-one with each neighbor to discuss and settle border dispute -In 1915, Tajikistan and China signed border treaty -In 1960, Myanmar and China signed border treaty -In 1962, Mongolia and China signed border treaty -In 1963, Pakistan and China signed border treaty -In 1963, Nepal and China signed border treaty -In 1963, Afghanistan and China signed border treaty -In 1964, North Korea and China signed border treaty -In 1991, Soviet Union and China signed border treaty -In 1992, Laos and China signed border treaty -In 1994, Kazakhstan and China signed border treaty -In 1996, Kyrgyzstan and China signed border treaty -In 1999, Vietnam and China signed border treaty ... Yet, China has yet to sign a border treaty with Bhutan and India. Mind you, China had 25 rounds of border talks with Bhutan, yet failed to settle our border dispute. Even though China has settled border disputes with every other neighbor (apart from India, of whom we had 30 rounds of border talks!) Tell me who is really delaying resolving the border dispute here? China tried 25 times to talk with Bhutan, yet failed to arrive at a solution to the border (even though China has succeeded with other neighbors) so who's the one creating problems here?
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  6392. Western economists have been predicting China's economic downfall since 1990s. Here is compiled list of what Western journalists have to say about China's economy 1990. The Economist: China's economy has come to a halt. 1996. The Economist: China's economy will face hard landing. 1998. The Economist: China's economy entering a dangerous period of sluggish growth. 1999. Bank of Canada: Likelihood of a hard landing for the Chinese economy. 2000. Chicago Tribune: China currency move nails hard landing risk coffin. 2001. Wilbanks, Smith & Thomas: A hard landing in China. 2002. Westchester University: China Anxiously Seeks A Soft Economic landing. 2003. KWR International: How to find a soft landing if China.. 2004. The Economist: The great fall of China? 2005. Nouriel Roubini: The Risk of a Hard Landing in China. 2006. International Economy: Can China Achieve a Soft Landing? 2007. TIME: Is China's Economy Overheating? Can China avoid a hard landing? 2008. Forbes: Hard Landing in China? 2009. Fortune: China's hard landing. China must find a way to recover. 2010. Nouriel Roubini: Hard landing coming in China. 2011. Business Insider: A Chinese Hard Landing May Be Closer Than You Think. 2012. American Interest: Dismal Economic News from China: A Hard Landing. 2013. Zero Hedge: A Hard Landing in China. 2014. CNBC: A hard landing in China. 2015. Forbes: Congratulations, You got Yourself A Chinese Hard Landing.... 2016. The Economist: Hard Landing looms for China. 2017. National Interest: Is China's Economy Going To Crash? 2018. The Daily Reckoning: China's Coming Financial Meltdown. But its already 2019, and China's economy is still going strong. Why continue to believe Western propaganda about China when Western economists predictions have been consistently proven wrong for almost 30 years?
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  6424.  @martinlaoshi  For all your various analogies, they don't apply perfectly to the real world. Your perfect analogies may exist in a fantasy world of your creation, but the matter of the fact is that those who abstained from voting in the UN against Russia are deemed to be in the same camp as those who voted in support of Russia. No matter how you phrase it, those who abstained are perceived to be not condemning Russia for their military operation, by those that do. In an ideal world, the options A, B, C will all have their distinct characteristics (as you have outlined). But in the real world, the options B and C are regarded as the same, in the UN general assembly. Abstaining from the vote is regarded the same as not condemning Russia's military intervention. That's why the USA is coming after China (and possibly India) and slapping sanctions against our country, even though China abstained. In your ideal fantasy world, China choosing Option C (abstaining) should have no consequences isn't it? But we aren't seeing this reflected in reality, because USA is treating China as though it have chosen Option B instead of C, that's why I grouped the two categories together, because that's how reality is. ... I mean, even you at one point admitted that that the act of abstaining itself is not taking a position against the US, yet China abstaining and not taking a position against the US (in your own words) would "obviously be absurd." So you've basically dismantled your own argument, because China abstained, yet is being regarded as taking a position against the US.
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  6427. Here's an analogy taken off Weibo, to explain the Russo-Ukraine conflict in the form of a family drama: More than 20 years ago, Ukraine divorced her ex-husband (Russia), and took several children along with her. Still, the ex-husband was very accommodating to her and left her with a lot of family property. After that, the ex-husband also paid off more than 200 billion in debts for her. After getting rid of her ex-husband, Ukraine started flirting with the village chief (United States) and his harem of concubines (NATO countries) until she was completely ensnared in their arms. That's still acceptable to a certain point, (but) she was smitten with the village tyrant, and hooked up with him in a plan to attack her ex-husband. The ex-husband was very angry and had insisted on returning a child: Crimea. Crimea had opted to rejoin the father. Ukraine began to harboring grudges against her ex-husband, and dreams of someday marrying into the NATO family. But the truth is that the village chief didn't really want to marry Ukraine into the family. After all, she was high-maintenance and loved to pocket his money (corruption). His many wives also didn't want Ukraine to join family, but in front of Ukraine, they still gave Ukraine a false sense of hope. The village chief just wanted to use her like a pawn to bully her ex-husband. After 8 years of constant abuse, her two children (Donetsk and Luhansk) were crying and imploring for help from their father. The village chief was always on the sidelines in the ex-husband and wife quarrel, occasionally sending in expired items (ammunition) from time to time. Because of that, Ukraine thought she had someone to support her, and became even more presumptuous towards her ex-husband. The ex-husband could bear it no longer, took another glance at the poor treatment of the children, and rushed over in defense of his two children, so the ex husband and wife started fighting. Now, the village chief and his many wives are cheering on Ukraine from the sidelines, yet none of them are willing to lift an actual finger and partake in the fighting themselves. Ukraine is unlikely to marry into the NATO family, because that would mean that the village chief and his many wives would be obliged to join the fight against the ex-husband. ... Hopefully this analogy puts the Russo-Ukraine conflict into perspective and on a more relatable level.
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  6435. +Chad Leach If you look at the government, the older hardcore communist party members are slowly retiring and dying off, and the younger newer generations of CPC members are educated (many with Western degrees). China's change is slow and steady, not abruptly, like when Trump became president of USA. For example, President Obama was working on Trans Pacific Partnership for 8 years, then when Trump took over, he cancelled TPP because he doesn't like Obama (Obama humiliated Trump with his birth certificate) So all those taxpayers money in TPP all went down the drain because of sudden changes to governance like Trump coming to power. As for foreigners in China, remember that China is world's most populous country. We are already somewhat overpopulated, so why is there a need to accept more foreigners as citizens at the moment? To China, the rest of the world is severely underpopulated, so China doesn't see much wrong with foreigners leaving China. Only rich Chinese leaving China pose a concern for the CPC, because it means China's wealth is leaving with them. This sounds harsh, but you have to look at this from China's perspective, not from foreigner perspective. If you are foreigner in China, you are expected to obey China's laws. The government also realized that fossil fuels are polluting China, and are taking steps to slowly ban coal power plants in possibly 2018. Coal fuel burns dirty and is responsible for much of China's smog, even in Hong Kong, so China is slowly reducing coal imports to reduce oversupply of power from coal and switch to renewable energy sources instead. China poised to ban new coal-fired power stations afr.com/news/china-poised-to-ban-new-coalfired-power-stations-20160711-gq3izc
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  6481.  @garam6555  "神州 Shenzhou the status quo is taiwan is taiwan," Wrong, the status quo according to Taiwan's constitution is that Taiwan is part of China under their own constitution. Since there hasn't been any amendments to Taiwan's constitution, then by default, Taiwan is part of China under their own constitution. And the status quo is what the majority of the people of Taiwan prefer. Declaring formal independence would be considered changing the status quo and that's not what the majority of the people of Taiwan prefer. You said: "world knows that prc plays a game called 'change your constitution and we won't bomb you' so taiwan doesn't change constitution." Well if anything, you've just shown that Taiwan clear isn't independent they can't change their constitution without the Communist Party of China, and you've just demonstrated that Beijing controls Taipei after all. Also, you mentioned Taiwan's spirit and savvy innovation but where are the famous companies from Taiwan as compared to the mainland? Besides smartphones, Chinese companies also dominate the civilian drone industry and Chinese company DJI is world's largest civilian drone-maker. Top Consumer Drone Companies 2019 1. DJI (Chinese) 2. Parrot (French) 3. Power Vision (Chinese) 4. 3dr (American) 5. Yuneec (Chinese) 6. EHang (Chinese) 7. Walkera (Chinese) 8. Syma (Chinese) 9. Autel Robotics (Chinese) 10. Blade (French) 11. Hubsan (Chinese) 12. UDIRC (Chinese) ... Source: _Top Consumer Drone Companies 2019 But where are the examples of innovation in Taiwan as compared to the mainland?
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  6484.  @elanor2123  "神州 Shenzhou Regarding your last point, I think u understood what I was saying but are pretending u interpreted it in a different way." You had said: "Communism has never yielded a good result in terms of economy in Europe." and I'm merely proving your statement wrong. Before the 1912, Russia was arguably the poorest country in Europe at that time, but after the Communist Revolution by the Bolsheviks, the new Soviet Union rapidly grew to become arguably the strongest country in Europe during its heyday, both militarily as well as economic, since the Soviet Union was the world's 2nd largest economy from 1960 to 1985, only just behind the United States at number one. So clearly, the communist ideology transformed one of Europe's poorest into it's strongest economy and that's why Western Europeans felt threatened by Soviet Union rising might, so how can you claim it has never yielded a good result in terms of economy in Europe? You said: "You did not mention how and why communist countries such as the USSR ended. They collapsed, and the after effects were always mostly bad..affecting the people for generations." That's because communist ideology was eventually abandoned in the Soviet Union and that lead to the collapse of the USSR. The after effects of the USSR collapse were indeed mostly bad, and apart from Russia, the mortality rates of former Soviet Union states were significantly higher than those in Western Europe. Male life expectancy in Russia fell from 63 years in 1990 to 58 in 2000, and rose again to 62 years in 2009. Female life expectancy in Russia has remained fairly steady. It was 74 years in 1990, dipped to 72 in 2000, and rose back to 74 years in 2009. Belarus and Ukraine also saw a drop in male life expectancy. In Belarus it fell from 66 years in 1990 to 64 in 2009 and in Ukraine it declined from 65 years in 1990 to 62 in 2009. Kazakhstan is the former Soviet republic with the lowest life expectancy, falling from 61 years to 59 over the same period. And mind you, this was after the fall of the Soviet Union, so how can you blame communism for the after effects suffered by countries that have abandoned the ideology? You said: "Communism and socialism may prove effective in the shorter terms, but it's process isn't pretty and sooner or later it collapses," There's still countries that support communism and socialist ideology, like the Socialist Republic of Vietnam, the Democratic People's Republic of Korea, the Republic of Cuba, and of course, the People's Republic of China. And in China's case, China has survived long after the fall of the Soviet Union, and still continues to improve everyday.
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  6495.  @larrysmith2123  After the Korean War, South Korea was actually dirt-poor under democracy with GDP lower than sub-saharan African countries. It was under South Korean dictator, Park Chung-hee that brought prosperity to the South Korea. When he came to power in 1961, South Korea's per capita income was only US$72.00 and North Korea was the greater economic and military power on the peninsula. One of Park's main goals was to end the poverty of South Korea, and lift the country up from being a Third World economy to a First World economy via etatist methods. Using the Soviet Union and its Five Year Plans as a model, Park launched his first Five Year Plan and he is credited with playing a pivotal role in the development of South Korea's tiger economy by shifting its focus to export-oriented industrialisation. Park's policies transformed the impoverished South Korea into prosperity, resulting in Miracle on the Han River (漢江의 奇蹟) but he was a dictator, ruling the country as head of a military dictatorship. In 1972, Park declared martial law and amended the constitution into a highly authoritarian document, tantamount to abolition of the former Constitution. During this time, political opposition and dissent was constantly repressed and Park had complete control of the media and military. In short, South Korea actually prospered under authoritarian South Korean dictator Park, it wasn't because of democracy that South Korea was prosperous. You can read about Park Chung-hee on Wikipedia.
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  6510.  @lakvenk6554  Previously, while Tibet was under Dalai Lama rule, Tibet was a brutal theocracy, where 95% of the population were slaves and the remaining 5% elites were slave owners. Tibetan mountainous soil is infertile, rainfall is scarce in the Himalayas, so the slaves had to work hard to feed the Tibetan population. Starvation was commonplace and theft of food was punished by torture, amputation and even skinning. There's this Tibetan drum called damaru that's made from human skulls, a drumskin made of human skin and drumstick made of human bone. The Dalai Lama was overly worshipped and his followers fought for the right to consume his saliva, his urine and even his feces, because he was considered a divine vessel. After Tibet returned back to China, Chinese workers began rapidly modernising Tibet, building roads, railways, streetlamps, running water, gas and electricity as well as introducing modern amenities like cars, computers, telephone cables, smartphones, the Internet, WiFi, online shopping (from Taobao) and so on. Under CPC, the first Tibetan colleges opened in Lhasa, offering degrees in both Tibetan and Mandarin Chinese languages. Hydroelectric powerstations were built by Chinese to supply Tibetan homes with electricity. Source: List of universities and colleges in Tibet wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_universities_and_colleges_in_Tibet Source: List of major power stations in the Tibet Autonomous Region wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_major_power_stations_in_the_Tibet_Autonomous_Region Chinese workers built the Qinghai-Lhasa railway (world's highest elevation railway) through dangerous mountainous terrain and low oxygen environments, to connect the normally isolated Tibet with the rest of the world. Tibet can now import food from the mainland to feed its population, and Tibet's population has tripled from 1 million in 1950s to over 3 million people today. A thriving tourist industry has even sprung up in Tibet.
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  6516.  @daomingjin  You said: "If it was still China aka 华夏 you would still be using the same currency. However you are not using it. " Can't the same state use a different currency? When the Nationalists were in power, the Republic of China (1912-1949) issued its own currency different from the previous Qing Dynasty currency (after disposing of the Qing government) but does that mean ROC wasn't China? After the Nationalist fled to Taiwan island, there was no more ROC government (they also took Shanghai's gold reserves and transferred it to Taipei) so can't the new People's Republic of China issue a new currency? You said: "At that point there was no more 华夏 there was then 中华人共和国. Even in Chinese language it's not even the same name." China has many names throughout its long history, and Huaxia (华夏) is just one of the names of China. Other Chinese names include Zhongguo (中国), Zhonghua (中华), Jiuzhou (九州) and even my own username Shenzhou (神州) is one of the ancient names for China. All of those names refer to the same state called China. You said: "If you want to say America is a young nation then we can easily say that it's as old as Ancient Greece" Do the Americans speak and write in Greek then? Whereas even if you claim China's name is different, they are still written using Chinese Characters. You said: "Ancient Rome became the British Empire," Do the British speak Latin then? Also, the Roman Republic was a democracy, whereas the British Empire was an authoritarian monarchy under the British King/Queen for most of its rule until the 20th century.
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  6539. Western journalists have been predicting China's economic fall since 1990. 1990. China's economy has come to a halt. The Economist 1996. China's economy will face a hard landing. The Economist 1998. China's economy’s dangerous period of sluggish growth. The Economist 1999. Likelihood of a hard landing for the Chinese economy. Bank of Canada 2000. China currency move nails hard landing risk coffin. Chicago Tribune 2001. A hard landing in China. Wilbanks, Smith & Thomas 2002. China Seeks a Soft Economic Landing. Westchester University 2003. Banking crisis imperils China. New York Times 2004. The great fall of China? The Economist 2005. The Risk of a Hard Landing in China. Nouriel Roubini 2006. Can China Achieve a Soft Landing? International Economy 2007. Can China avoid a hard landing? TIME 2008. Hard Landing In China? Forbes 2009. China's hard landing. China must find a way to recover. Fortune 2010. Hard landing coming in China. Nouriel Roubini 2011. Chinese Hard Landing Closer Than You Think. Business Insider 2012. Economic News from China: Hard Landing. American Interest 2013. A Hard Landing In China. Zero Hedge 2014. A hard landing in China. CNBC 2015. Congratulations, You Got Yourself A Chinese Hard Landing. Forbes 2016. Hard landing looms for China. The Economist 2017. Is China's Economy Going To Crash? National Interest 2018. China's Coming Financial Meltdown. The Daily Reckoning. 2019. China's Economic Slowdown: How worried should we be? BBC 2020. Coronavirus Could End China's Decades-Long Economic Growth Streak. NY Times 2021. Global Economics: Has China's Downfall Started? 2022. China Surprise Data Could Spell R-e-c-e-s-s-i-o-n. Bloomberg ... But it's already 2023 and China's economy is still going strong.
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  6551.  @niyarao2962  Previously, while Tibet was under Dalai Lama rule, Tibet was a brutal theocracy, where 95% of the population were slaves and the remaining 5% elites were slave owners. Tibetan mountainous soil is infertile, rainfall is scarce in the Himalayas, so the slaves had to work hard to feed the Tibetan population. Starvation was commonplace and theft of food was punished by torture, amputation and even skinning. There's this Tibetan drum called damaru that's made from human skulls, a drumskin made of human skin and drumstick made of human bone. The Dalai Lama was overly worshipped and his followers fought for the right to consume his saliva, his urine and even his feces, because he was considered a divine vessel. After Tibet returned back to China, Chinese workers began rapidly modernising Tibet, building roads, railways, streetlamps, running water, gas and electricity as well as introducing modern amenities like cars, computers, telephone cables, smartphones, the Internet, WiFi, online shopping (from Taobao) and so on. Under CCP, the first Tibetan colleges opened in Lhasa, offering degrees in both Tibetan and Mandarin Chinese languages. Hydroelectric powerstations were built by Chinese to supply Tibetan homes with electricity. Source: List of universities and colleges in Tibet wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_universities_and_colleges_in_Tibet Source: List of major power stations in the Tibet Autonomous Region wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_major_power_stations_in_the_Tibet_Autonomous_Region Chinese workers built the Qinghai-Lhasa railway (world's highest elevation railway) through dangerous mountainous terrain and low oxygen environments, to connect the normally isolated Tibet with the rest of the world. Tibet can now import food from the mainland to feed its population, and Tibet's population has tripled from 1 million in 1950s to over 3 million people today. A thriving tourist industry has even sprung up in Tibet.
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  6590.  @rpg1663  You said: "Capitalism improved the life quality of billions, not to say every single person in the world.. it developed science, medicine, social care, transportation, lots of food lol," Capitalism improved the quality of life of a few select countries, predominantly the Anglo-Saxon countries in the global North (i.e USA, UK, Canada, Australia, the EU) at the expense of people living in the global South (i.e South America, Africa, and much of Asia). The poor developing countries are exploited by the wealthier developed countries (even till today) and their natural resources were extracted and obtained at cheap rates by capitalists, who then use labor to make finished products to sell back to developing countries in order to keep them poor. Capitalism has improved the lives of developed countries at the expense of developing countries. Socialists/Communists have also developed science and help advanced mankind's technology. For example, the Soviet Union invented and launched the world's first artificial satellite, Sputnik-1 on October 4, 1957. The Soviet Union also made many inventions and advancements to human society while under the Communist Party of the Soviet Union On October 4, 1957, the Soviet Union sent the beach ball-sized satellite, Sputnik 1 into space. The launch grabbed the world’s attention because it was at the height of the Cold War. Video: The Sputnik 1 Launch: The First Artificial Satellite To Enter Earth's Orbit | Mach | NBC News youtu.be/g2WaJdflqT0 You said: "The foundation of capitalism is Trading, not the seek of profit as you mention, and it's practiced in the world for centuries. Communism you basically have people working and producing things, and delivering them to some sort of state, which will later split those things amongst everyone in the same proportion. I believe you need to go back and read the fundamentals of communism..." The foundation of capitalism is the private ownership of the means of production and their operation for profit, and unequal trade is one of the methods capitalists do to achieve this. In true communism, the working class own* the means of production (i.e dictatorship of the proletariat) and a governing state is absent in true communism.
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  6591.  @rpg1663  Which countries did the Soviet Union exploit and how did the Soviet Union exploit China? China was exploited by the Western capitalists during the 19th century, when the British wanted to continue drinking Chinese tea, but China did not want anything from the West, so the British waged two wars with China and force Chinese to buy opium from them at gunpoint, which we didn't want because it made us sick and was poisoning our people. During this weak period of Chinese history, Hong Kong was taken from China and made into a British colony, to act as a drug distribution hub to spread the addiction throughout the rest of China. Even when Britain renounced ownership over its former territories, Hong Kong was not fully returned back to China, and China had to agree to Sino-British declaration just for Britain to handover what belongs to us. You said: "As for the other countries you mention (i.e South America, Africa, and much of Asia) is well known that they have also benefited from capitalism, and they still do, even if in a smaller scale." How have the Global South (i.e South America, Africa and much of Asia) benefited from capitalism? Poverty is not decreasing worldwide at the rate that institutions like the World Bank and the United Nations claim. The Global North (i.e USA, UK, Canada, Australia, NZ, EU) is not developing the Global South, it is under-developing the global south, through manipulation of data, crushing debt traps, covert intelligence operations, military interventions, and a modification of age-old colonialism tactics, rich nations are keeping poor nations in their current state. Back in the 1500s, it was a different story, there was little difference between Europe and the rest of the world. In fact, people living in South America, India and Asia were in many ways better off than the Europeans in terms of living standards, and Asian countries actually had higher living standards than Europeans. But European colonization reversed this by de-populating Africa, North America and South America from the 16th century to the 19th century, through slavery, warfare and control, all in the service of stripping resources from other nations, many of which prior to that time, were not suffering from poverty. This the world system of colonialism. Video: Global Capitalism - Rich Nations and Poor Nations | Renegade Cut youtu.be/Q6WdUkaFyGw Prior to colonialism, Africa was advancing and progressing economically and politically, had the atlantic slave trade and colonialism never been imposed on Africa, it's development almost certainly would not have stagnated. The global economy post-colonialism is still affected by colonialism. Slavery caused wages to shrink, as workers had to compete with free labor. Poor countries have a comparative deficit of capital because they were plundered of precious metals and because their colonizers forcibly destroyed local industries so that they would have no choice but to consume Western exports. Poor countries were kept poor because the rich countries also transferred their debts to poor countries, in violation of international law. Poor nations were forced to borrow loans from Western institutions and they could only export raw materials at cheap rates and had to buy finished goods from the West. As for China's massive improvement, it is not because of capitalism (as often claimed). In fact, if you watch the video link, China (and a few other countries in Asia) are some of the only places in the world, where free-market capitalism was not forcibly imposed by the World Bank and the IMF. China was not subject to the structural adjustment imposed on the Global South. In other words, our current economic system has not made the global south better, it has made it worse. And the only nations mostly immune to the machinations of the World Bank and IMF are "communist" nations in Asia.
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  6627.  @MarkYeung1  "Do you know how many people died due to capitalism?" Searched Quora for How many deaths are caused by capitalism? came up with this response: 222,500,000+ Deaths due to certain events: 100,000,000: Extermination of native Americans (1492–1890) 15,000,000: Atlantic slave trade (1500–1870) 150,000: French repression of Haiti slave revolt (1792–1803) 300,000: French conquest of Algeria (1830–1847) 50,000: Opium Wars (1839–1842 & 1856–1860) 1,000,000: Irish Potato Famine (1845–1849) 100,000: British supression of the Sepoy Mutiny (1857–1858) 20,000: Paris Commune Massacre (1871) 29,000,000: Famine in British Colonized India (1876–1879 & 1897–1902) 3,445: Black people lynched in the US (1882–1964) 10,000,000: Belgian Congo Atrocities: (1885–1908) 250,000: US conquest of the Philipines (1898–1913) 28,000: British concentration camps in South Africa (1899–1902) 800,000: French exploitation of Equitorial Africans (1900–1940) 65,000: German genocide of the Herero and Namaqua (1904–1907) 10,000,000: First World War (1914–1918) 100,000: White army pogroms against Jews (1917–1920) 600,000: Fascist Italian conquest in Africa (1922–1943) 10,000,000: Japanese Imperialism in East Asia (1931–1945) 200,000: White Terror in Spain (1936–1945) 25,000,000: Nazi oppression in Europe: (1938–1945) 30,000: Kuomintang Massacre in Taiwan (1947) 80,000: French suppression of Madagascar revolt (1947) 30,000: Israeli colonization of Palastine (1948-present) 100,000: South Korean Massacres (1948–1950) 50,000: British suppression of the Mau-Mau revolt (1952-1960) 16,000: Shah of Iran regime (1953–1979) 1,000,000: Algerian war of independence (1954–1962) 200,000: Juntas in Guatemala (1954–1962) 50,000: Papa & Baby Doc regimes in Haiti (1957–1971) 3,000,000: Vietnamese killed by US military (1963–1975) 1,000,000: Indonesian mass killings (1965–1966) 1,000,000: Biafran War (1967–1970) 400: Tlatelolco massacre (1968) 700,000: US bombing of Laos & Cambodia (1967–1973) 50,000: Somoza regime in Nicaragua (1972–1979) 3,200: Pinochet regime in Chile: (1973–1990) 1,500,000: Angola Civil War (1974–1992) 200,000: East Timor massacre (1975–1998) 1,000,000: Mozambique Civil War (1975–1990) 30,000: US-backed state terrorism in Argentina (1975–1990) 70,000: El Salvador military dictatorships (1977–1991) 30,000: Contra proxy war in Nicaragua: (1979–1990) 16,000: Bhopal Carbide disaster (1984) 3,000: US invasion of Panama (1989) 1,000,000: US embargo on Iraq (1991–2003) 400,000: Mujahideen faction conflict in Afghanistan (1992–1996) 200,000: Destruction of Yugoslavia (1992–1995) 6,000,000: Congolese Civil War (1997–2008) 30,000: NATO occupation of Afghanistan (2001-present)
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  6678. Michael S. About the car analogy, perhaps its not the broken tires at fault, but maybe the exhaust pipes produces lots of poisonous smoke (since you are highliting China's pollution and food poisoning). Ultimately China's goal is for the car to keep on moving (i.e. for China to keep on progressing). So the government will pay attention anything that helps the car to move, such as better engines, better tires, better car batteries, more passenger seats (which translate to better manufacturing, better technology, more houses, etc) and focus less on getting airbags, getting better exhaust pipes, etc. I mean, China has lots and lots of problems as a developing nation, so realistically, you can't expect the government to solve each and every problem. The government is allocating precious time, effort, manpower, materials and resources to only the most important problems (poverty, employment, education, housing, etc). All the relatively minor problems (food poisoning, pollution, etc) will have to take a backseat to the more pressing issues. I mean, regarding food poisoning, why not first ensure that everyone in China gets food to eat in the first place? Every problem is either serious or not serious with respect to other problems, and the government has to choose which problem to deal with first and which to put aside. Its sad but true, you can't solve every problem with your limited resources. You personally may not think their videos are very negative, but when is the last time laowhy or serpentza said anything good about China? They may proclaim "I love China" but if you look at their behavior, their mannerism and even their facial expressions, you can tell that they don't mean what they say when they like China. I mean, I have literally never seen laowhy and serpentza hang out with any Chinese friends (apart from their Chinese wives) They always hang out with other foreigners in China (and usually the same few people like Prozzie) There's nothing fundamentally wrong with that, but it gives off the impression that they aren't assimilating into China that's all. Its not me alone that feels this way. many other Chinese people have seen their videos and notice this particular trend. laowhy and serpentza post videos entitled "Are Chinese girls easy?" and "China's masculinity crisis" in order to attract people afflicted by yellow fever to come watch them.
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  6720. @Tenzin Dhondup What genocide of Tibetan language? Here's video of Tibetan singer Alan 阿蘭(阿兰) singing the song 《青藏高原》 Tibetan Plateau 藏/中文版 Tibetan and Chinese version youtu.be/jJfCI3FL9WI Did you know that the 14th Dalai Lama is a CIA agent and a traitor to his people? The 14th Dalai Lama received funding from CIA to train Tibetan guerrillas in separatist activities against the Central People's Government (Beijing). Declassified CIA files have exposed that a total of 1,735,000 dollars was devoted to the Tibetan program for FY1964 -Tibetan resistance efforts in Nepal (US$500,000) -Tibet Houses in New York and Geneva (1/2 year) (US$75,000) -Training (US$855,000) -Subsidy to the Dalai Lama (US$180,000) -Miscellaneous costs (US$125,000) Source: CIA Tibetan program wikipedia.org/wiki/CIA_Tibetan_program#Costs So here we have concrete evidence that the 14th Dalai Lama received funding from the USA to engage in separatist activities against the Central People's Government. What environmental destruction? Chinese workers build hydroelectric powerstations in Tibet to supply clean, renewable energy to Tibetan homes for warmth during chilling winters, electricity for lighting, appliances and electronics. Here's a List of hydroelectric powerstations in Tibet Autonomous Region: Ngari Hydro Power Station[1] 阿里水电站 Pangduo Hydro Power Station[2] 旁多水电站 Zhikong Hydro Power Station 直孔水电站 Bayu Hydro Power Station 巴玉水电站 Dagu Hydro Power Station 大古水电站 Jiexu Hydro Power Station 街需水电站 Zangmu Hydro Power Station 藏木水电站 Jiacha Hydro Power Station 加查水电站 Lengda Hydro Power Station 冷达水电站 Zhongda Hydro Power Station 仲达水电站 Langzhen Hydro Power Station 朗镇水电站 Changbo Hydro Power Station 昌波水电站 Suwalong Hydro Power Station 苏洼龙水电站 Batang Hydro Power Station 巴塘水电站 Lawa Hydro Power Station 拉哇水电站 Yebatan Hydro Power Station 叶巴滩水电站 Boluo Hydro Power Station 波罗水电站 Yanbi Hydro Power Station 岩比水电站 Gangtuo Hydro Power Station 岗托水电站 ... Source: List of hydroelectric powerstations in Tibet Autonomous Region wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_major_power_stations_in_the_Tibet_Autonomous_Region#Hydroelectric
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  6741.  Giovanni Sanchez  China had a well-developed musical culture as early as the Zhou dynasty (1122 BC – 256 BC). Ancient Chinese invented the Four Great Inventions (四大发明) which have greatly influenced the world through their respective areas. Paper and Printing made the transcribing and transmission of knowledge easier. The Compass made navigation easier and dangerous journeys safer and more reliable. And Gunpowder has changed the way modern wars are fought. But do Chinese people complain about Westerners making use of Chinese inventions? China has 5000 years of history and is among the world's oldest "continuous" civilization still alive today, whereas other ancient civilizations like Mesopotamia, Rome and Egypt have since succumbed to history. China has witnessed the birth and death of various other nations, the rise and fall of numerous other empires, yet China has survived the violent passage of time to modern times relatively intact, whereas even Rome eventually crumbled. China has always been under the authoritarian rule (and we still are today) of emperors and the imperial court, because that's how China has been successfully governed for millennia. Not all countries have to adopt Western democracy to be successful and China is living proof of this. And like I said, trousers were invented in China. The oldest known trousers were found at the Yanghai cemetery in Turpan, Xinjiang, western China and dated to the period between the 10th and the 13th centuries BC. So isn't it Westerners copying Chinese trousers for themselves?
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  6744.  @FullPerspective  You said: "I DID NOT DEFINE THE STANDARD OF PEACE A DICTIONARY DID," The dictionary defined the meaning of the word peace, but it's you who attributed a higher standard to the term. Are you telling me you don't know the difference between definition and standard? Then who are you to boast about your English proficiency while taking every opportunity to mock me for mine? China clearly fits the most basic definition of peace, in which a country is not at war with another, but its you who choose to elevate the standard of peace to frankly unrealistic levels. I mean, no country in the world fits the first definition of "free from disturbance; tranquil" because countries constantly interact with the world and with each other, which inevitably produces disturbances. You said: "Shenzhou. Claiming China is PEACEFUL IS A CONCEPT OF FICTION!!!" Firstly, such a statement coming from you only serves to reinforce the fact that "Animal Farm" and "1984" are works of fiction, and that George Orwell is first and foremost a novelist, carefully constructing alternative realities that exist only in fiction, and then posing such stories as a critique of real world ideologies. And secondly, I've already presented arguments previously to prove this statement of yours false. You said: "Hypocrite! This is the kind of behavior which is why people do not want to be Chinese or live in China, like the behavior I see with so many Americans and Russians too, this dogmatic know it all attitude without actually investigating anything," Have you actually been to China and seen what life is like here for yourself? Have you actually done any investigation before making all those claims about China without research? If anything, then perhaps it's you who have such an know-it-all attitude without having actually been here.
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  6770.  @rpg1663  "神州 Shenzhou Again, I'm not talking about the past LOL." You were. You said: "Why wonder why nowadays people don't speak Japanese in China hahahah.. Oh wait... USA gave China a hand before." and that was clearly referencing the Sino-Japanese War, and I've already explained that China stood a chance against Japan, and even you admitted that USA got involved after Pearl Harbor. You said: "I'm saying if China was Ukraine right now being attacked by a much larger force," The People's Liberation Army is literally the largest army in the world, what force could be much larger than the PLA? You said: "And yes, so far they're winning due to many countries help, not just NATO countries as you mention." If Ukraine was truly winning, then why is Zelenskyy desperately calling for NATO to impose a No-Fly-Zone over Ukraine? Why is Zelenskyy constantly asking for more lethal aid instead of humanitarian aid, if he truly cared about the lives of Ukrainians? It's because Zelenskyy want's to use civilians as a human shield, that's why he's prolonging the war to maximise the civilian casualties, yet you still think Ukraine is winning when it constantly needs more aid? You said: "Such war costs millions every hour.. Russia can't hold much longer" In fact just recently the Russian ruble actually increased in value after the initial plunging because of the torrent of sanctions against Russia, so NATO's plan to sanction Russia into oblivion has apparently failed. Secondly, oil prices are skyrocketing through the roof, and Russia is a major oil and gas supplier (especially to Western Europe) so won't Russia be making more money off gas sales?
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  6801.  @fukushimaisrevelation2817  I believe that ultimately, it is your own hands that shape the reality, not prayer and belief in an unproven entity. I agree that pollution is a byproduct of industrial development, but Western countries have been polluting the Earth since 200-300 years ago since the Industrial Revolution began in 1700-1800s. Whereas China only recently industrialised some 50 years ago in comparison. But just as there was once poor air quality in the West during the Industrial Revolution, their air has largely cleared up and China's air quality is bound to improve eventually. About Communism vs Capitalism, it's no secret today that capitalism is killing the planet. Capitalism is the overproduction of goods for the sake of profits, unnecessarily polluting the Earth in the process, with the eventual goal being the complete depletion of the Earth's resources. Because our modern industries are just too efficient, we can literally produce enough food, goods, houses, schools, hospitals, etc for everyone on the Earth. Yet despite this, we still have starving people in the world, homeless people, illiteracy, people lacking access to healthcare, etc. Because under the capitalist system, the goods go to those who can afford it. Communism is the belief that every resource should be allocated to the people according to needs. The Earth's resources are finite, and capitalism only seeks to exhaust the Earth's resources in pursuit of profit, whereas communism is committed to the idea of distributing resources according to needs.
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  6826. This is what Western economists been saying about China since 1990s 1990. The Economist: China's economy has come to a halt. 1996. The Economist: China's economy will face hard landing. 1998. The Economist: China's economy entering a dangerous period of sluggish growth. 1999. Bank of Canada: Likelihood of a hard landing for the Chinese economy. 2000. Chicago Tribune: China currency move nails hard landing risk coffin. 2001. Wilbanks, Smith & Thomas: A hard landing in China. 2002. Westchester University: China Anxiously Seeks A Soft Economic landing. 2003. KWR International: How to find a soft landing if China.. 2004. The Economist: The great fall of China? 2005. Nouriel Roubini: The Risk of a Hard Landing in China. 2006. International Economy: Can China Achieve a Soft Landing? 2007. TIME: Is China's Economy Overheating? Can China avoid a hard landing? 2008. Forbes: Hard Landing in China? 2009. Fortune: China's hard landing. China must find a way to recover. 2010. Nouriel Roubini: Hard landing coming in China. 2011. Business Insider: A Chinese Hard Landing May Be Closer Than You Think. 2012. American Interest: Dismal Economic News from China: A Hard Landing. 2013. Zero Hedge: A Hard Landing in China. 2014. CNBC: A hard landing in China. 2015. Forbes: Congratulations, You got Yourself A Chinese Hard Landing.... 2016. The Economist: Hard Landing looms for China. 2017. National Interest: Is China's Economy Going To Crash? But its already 2018 and China's economy is still going strong, so its clear that Western propaganda is simply biased against China that's all and been consistently proven wrong for almost 30 years. So why do you still believe China will crash soon?
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  6859. +Sam Shyam Mao Zedong was fed false reports of bountiful harvest and exaggerated growth figures from other communist members (who wanted to please him and report good news) and that led to ignorance and starvation. Furthermore, China suffered the Great Chinese Famine, which resulted in bad weather, flooding and drought causing destruction of crops and starvation. It should be noted too, that those people died from starvation too. If those Chinese warlords unified China, then who was their leader if not Mao Zedong? Why did Jiang Jieshi (of the Kuomintang) lost control of the mainland to poorly equipped, poorly trained, heavily outnumbered communists peasants? The KMT had wealth (they taxed the lands heavily) had better equipment, better training, better numbers, yet the KMT lost the mainland to communists and had to flee to Taiwan. This demonstrates great incompetence on KMT's right to rule the mainland. Tibet was part of China during Qing dynasty, and even the KMT wanted to eventually reclaim Tibet as part of China. How do you know whether most Tibetans hate Mao? Under the Tibetan rulers (14th Dalai Lama) Tibet was backward, brutal theocracy, with 95% of the population being slaves and the other 5% slave owners. Tibetan mountainous soil was infertile, and many slaves had to struggle to feed the population of Tibet. Starvation and crime were commonplace, punishments were cruel and included torture, amputation and skinning. There is this Tibetan drum called damaru that is made from two human skulls, a drumskin made from human skin and a drumstick made from human bone. When Mao Zedong took over Tibet in 1951, Tibet began modernization. Under CCP rule, infrastructure was built in Tibet, like roads, streetlamps, running water, gas and electricity. Modern technology like cars, smartphones, computers, Internet, WiFi, telecommunications were introduced to Tibet. The Qinghai-Lhasa railway (world's highest altitude railway) was built through difficult mountaineous terrain and low oxygen conditions to connect the otherwise isolated Tibet to the rest of the world. Food can now be imported from the mainland to feed Tibet. Hydroelectric powerstations were built in Tibet to supply clean renewable energy. The first Tibetan universities opened offering courses in Mandarin Chinese and Tibetan languages. Source: List of universities and colleges in Tibet wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_universities_and_colleges_in_Tibet Source: List of major power stations in the Tibet Autonomous Region wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_major_power_stations_in_the_Tibet_Autonomous_Region From the above, I would say life in Tibet under the CCP today is probably much better than life under the Tibetan leaders.
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  6896. @Republic of china,the real china,communist fake Westerners have long been predicting China's economic downfall. Here's a list: 1990. The Economist: China's economy has come to a halt. 1996. The Economist: China's economy will face hard landing. 1998. The Economist: China's economy entering a dangerous period of sluggish growth. 1999. Bank of Canada: Likelihood of a hard landing for the Chinese economy. 2000. Chicago Tribune: China currency move nails hard landing risk coffin. 2001. Wilbanks, Smith & Thomas: A hard landing in China. 2002. Westchester University: China Anxiously Seeks A Soft Economic landing. 2003. KWR International: How to find a soft landing if China.. 2004. The Economist: The great fall of China? 2005. Nouriel Roubini: The Risk of a Hard Landing in China. 2006. International Economy: Can China Achieve a Soft Landing? 2007. TIME: Is China's Economy Overheating? Can China avoid a hard landing? 2008. Forbes: Hard Landing in China? 2009. Fortune: China's hard landing. China must find a way to recover. 2010. Nouriel Roubini: Hard landing coming in China. 2011. Business Insider: A Chinese Hard Landing May Be Closer Than You Think. 2012. American Interest: Dismal Economic News from China: A Hard Landing. 2013. Zero Hedge: A Hard Landing in China. 2014. CNBC: A hard landing in China. 2015. Forbes: Congratulations, You got Yourself A Chinese Hard Landing.... 2016. The Economist: Hard Landing looms for China. 2017. National Interest: Is China's Economy Going To Crash? 2018. The Daily Reckoning: China's Coming Financial Meltdown. 2019. Zero Hedge: Seven Reasons Why China Is Facing A Hard Landing In 2019 2020. Forbes: Remember The China 'Hard Landing'? We Got One. ... But its already 2021, and China's economy is still going strong. So why continue to believe China's economy will fall, given that Western economist predictions about China's collapse been proven consistently wrong for over 30 years already?
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  6908.  @HannarrMontannarr  This is what you wrote earlier: "Lets not forge that china attack UN forces in korea, an organisation that it was a member of," But People's Republic of China was NOT yet a UN member during the Korean War, so why are you claiming China attack UN forces in Korea, an organisation that it was a member of? You've already gotten your history chronically mixed up, since the Korean War was in 1950 – 1953, whereas PRC became UN member in 1970s (approx. 20 years later). Why was Korea even divided up in the first place? Korea was once a single unified country but was conquered by Japan and after Japanese WWII surrender, Korea was divided into North Korea (Soviet Union) and South Korea (United States). North Korea wanted to end this humiliating division of their country and it almost succeeded (99% unified Korea) but then the United States suddenly declared war against North Korea and joined in this internal Korean civil war between North and South Korea. The UN forces did not stop at the North Korean-South Korean border (38 Paralle) they actually pushed past the 38 Parallel and invaded actual North Korean territory themselves, right up to the doorstep of China (Liaoning Province) Reluctantly, PRC was forced to take defensive measures and later joined the war against United States, pushing UN forces back to the 38 Parallel. And as far as I know, Chinese troops did NOT cross the 38 Parallel during Korean War and ventured into South Korean territory, whereas UN forces crossed the 38 Parallel into North Korean territory, so isn't UN forces the one at fault here by pushing past the border in to North Korean territory? And like I said earlier, PRC was not yet a member of UN during the time of Korean War.
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  6909. Here's a Chinese analogy taken off Weibo, to explain the Russo-Ukraine conflict in the form of a family drama: More than 20 years ago, Ukraine divorced her ex-husband (Russia), and took several children along with her. Still, the ex-husband was very accommodating to her and left her with a lot of family property. After that, the ex-husband also paid off more than 200 billion in debts for her. After getting rid of her ex-husband, Ukraine started flirting with the village chief (United States) and his harem of concubines (NATO countries) until she was completely ensnared in their arms. That's still acceptable to a certain point, (but) she was smitten with the village tyrant, and hooked up with him in a plan to attack her ex-husband. The ex-husband was very angry and had insisted on returning a child: Crimea. Ukraine began to harboring grudges against her ex-husband, and dreams of someday marrying into the NATO family, which in turn open up a path to her ex-husband's doorstep. But the truth is that the village chief didn't really want to marry Ukraine into the family. After all, she was high-maintenance and loved to pocket his money (corruption). His many wives also didn't want Ukraine to join family, but in front of Ukraine, they were all smiles and encouraging her to join. The village chief just wanted to use her like a pawn to bully her ex-husband. After 8 years of constant abuse, her two children (Donetsk and Luhansk) were crying and imploring for help from their father. The village chief was always on the sidelines in the ex-husband and wife quarrel, occasionally sending in expired items (ammunition) from time to time. Because of that, Ukraine thought she had someone to support her, and became even more presumptuous towards her ex-husband. The ex-husband could bear it no longer, took another glance at the poor treatment of the children, and rushed over in defense of his two children, so the ex husband and wife started fighting. Now, the village chief and his many wives are cheering on Ukraine from the sidelines, yet none of them are willing to lift an actual finger and partake in the fighting themselves. Ukraine is unlikely to marry into the NATO family, because that would mean that the village chief and his many wives would be obliged to join the fight against the ex-husband. ... Hopefully this analogy puts the Russo-Ukraine conflict into perspective and on a more relatable level.
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  6926.  @rv8804  It's because while Britain was colonial superpower in 19th century (eventually overtaken by USA in 20th century) China had been economic superpower for 1800 years prior to Britain. But during the 19th century, the British wanted to continue drinking Chinese tea, but China did not want what the West had to offer, so Britain waged two bloody wars on China and forced Chinese to buy opium from them, which we didn't want, because it made us sick and was poisoning our people. Port Cities like Shanghai were forced to act as drug distribution hubs, and Hong Kong was taken and made into British Colony. Even when British renounced ownership over its former colonies, Hong Kong was not fully returned to China. So much crap happened to China after that, from the civil war between KMT and CCP, to Japanese invasion, to Korean War, to Mao's era, etc, etc. Now China is more or less stabilized, and growing, more poor people having access to education, According to World Bank, China's poverty rate fell from 88% in 1981 to a mere 6.5% in 2012. According to UNESCO, adult literacy rate of China increased from 65.5% in 1982 to a whopping 96.4% in 2015 growing at an average annual rate of 10.39%. This is impressive feat considering that China is world's most populous country, yet attaining 6.5% poverty and 96.4% literacy. Source: Wikipedia: Poverty in China And believe it or not, its all achieved under CCP leadership. China has woken up and is rapidly catching up to Western world. India as the world's 2nd most populous country, also enjoys the same statistical geniuses. That's why you'll see many international students from China and India studying math, sciences, or computing, business, etc, within your Western universities.
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  6928. @bd z When China market fall? That's what Westerns been saying all along! 1990. The Economist: China's economy has come to a halt. 1996. The Economist: China's economy will face hard landing. 1998. The Economist: China's economy entering a dangerous period of sluggish growth. 1999. Bank of Canada: Likelihood of a hard landing for the Chinese economy. 2000. Chicago Tribune: China currency move nails hard landing risk coffin. 2001. Wilbanks, Smith & Thomas: A hard landing in China. 2002. Westchester University: China Anxiously Seeks A Soft Economic landing. 2003. KWR International: How to find a soft landing if China.. 2004. The Economist: The great fall of China? 2005. Nouriel Roubini: The Risk of a Hard Landing in China. 2006. International Economy: Can China Achieve a Soft Landing? 2007. TIME: Is China's Economy Overheating? Can China avoid a hard landing? 2008. Forbes: Hard Landing in China? 2009. Fortune: China's hard landing. China must find a way to recover. 2010. Nouriel Roubini: Hard landing coming in China. 2011. Business Insider: A Chinese Hard Landing May Be Closer Than You Think. 2012. American Interest: Dismal Economic News from China: A Hard Landing. 2013. Zero Hedge: A Hard Landing in China. 2014. CNBC: A hard landing in China. 2015. Forbes: Congratulations, You got Yourself A Chinese Hard Landing.... 2016. The Economist: Hard Landing looms for China. 2017. National Interest: Is China's Economy Going To Crash? 2018. The Daily Reckoning: China's Coming Financial Meltdown. But it's already 2019, and China's market is still going strong, yet you continue to believe that Western anti-China propaganda, when it has been consistently proven wrong for almost 30 years already?
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  6949.  @宋庆-i4m  Because that's just the way American MSM operates. Can't a news media report bad things about their own country as true, yet at the same time, falsely report negative things about China as true? The thing is, many American MSM uses the negative portrayal of its own country as proof it's reliability. After gaining this trust from audiences, they promote a false narrative of China, painting China in a negative light and "demonising" our country, so much such that many Americans already hold a negative view of China. Even without setting foot in China and seeing what life is like here for themselves. That's just how insidious American MSM is, they use negative news about America to gain credibility, and use that credibility to promote lies about China. The media can always present double standards to make itself appear reliable. Honestly speaking, China's propaganda sucks. Many people just don't want to believe Chinese propaganda, even when presented with actual facts and statistics. That's why many foreigners already have a negative view of China before arriving here, because our propaganda sucks. However, American propaganda is very effective. Many people readily believe negative things about China as long as American media presents it, even without proof. And even after people spent time debunking American lies, people still continue to believing the fake news after it's been disproven. Just like when former President Bush invaded Iraq on suspicion of harbouring Weapons of Mass Destruction, however after invading Iraq, no WMDs were ever found. Yet many Americans still justify the Iraq War. This is testament to the efficacy of American propaganda, as compared to China's propaganda. That's why world views towards China and USA are in their current state.
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  6986.  @fcl3294  You said: "Mao killed 60 million mainland people And the CPC worships him" It was during Chinese Civil War, of course Chinese were killing Chinese. Just like in American Civil War, the Americans were killing Americans. Or Koreans killing their own during Korean War. Or Vietnamese during Vietnam War, or any civil war for that matter. But Chairman Mao Zedong is the founding father of the People's Republic of China 🇨🇳, and he succeeded in the herculean task of reunifying our divided country, where the previous Kuomintang administration failed to do so during the Republic of China 🇹🇼 (1917-1949) for 37 years. When Dr Sun Zhongshan overthrew the previous Qing Dynasty China and established the ROC, China was divided into several areas, we lost control of Tibet, and various warlords ruled different parts of China and even Japan invaded China twice during this weak period of Chinese history. Dr. Sun tried to get help from the Western powers, but the West laughed at the thought of China copying their democracy. The West even gave away the Shandong province (which had been occupied by the Germans during WWI) to Japan, instead of returning it to China (even when China was part of the Allies during WWI). In the end, Dr. Sun died without ever realizing a unified China under democracy. But then Mao Zedong came along, and he accomplished what the ROC could not, and he reunified China under communism, proclaiming the founding of the PRC in 1949. Tibet was finally returned back to China in 1951 and if not for Chairman Mao, China today would most likely still be a weak and divided country, fighting among ourselves, instead of the strong unified country we are today. So why shouldn't the communist party continue to worship our founding father of the PRC?
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  7002.  @eltyjamessmith3482  So because of a border dispute with India, China is somehow wrong? China has settled boundary dispute approximately of 20,000 km with 12 countries out of the 22,000 km and is yet to settle about 2,000 km of boundary involving India and Bhutan. -In 1961, Nepal and China signed border agreement. -In 1962, Mongolia and China signed border agreement. -In 1963, Afghanistan and China signed border agreement. -In 1963, Pakistan and China signed border agreement. -In 1991, USSR and China signed Sino-Soviet border agreement. -In 1992, Laos and China signed border agreement. -In 1994, Kazakhstan and China signed border agreement. -In 2011, Tajikistan ratified a 1999 deal with China. We solved our border disputes with literally all our land neighbors, only Bhutan and India remain. China has 21 talks with Bhutan and 19 talks with India, but still fail to settle our countries borders. Who's fault is it? Regarding Taiwan, the Nationalist Kuomintang lost the mainland to communists and had flee to Formosa (Taiwan). During the Chinese Civil War, the communists were mostly poorly trained peasants, their weapons were crappy, and they had far fewer numbers (only 50 communist members in 1921) over the KMT. The KMT on the other hand, had massive wealth (they taxed the peasants heavily) they had superior weapons, better training and superior numbers over the communists. Yet despite all these advantages, the KMT still lost the mainland to communists and had to flee to Taiwan? This demonstrates KMT's sheer incompetence in their right to rule the mainland.
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  7015.  @johnnyrommel4113  You yourself said: "Society changes and evolves." Then two lines later you said: "The rules were not supposed to change until 2047." so what's the meaning of this? There were endless riots across Hong Kong, so why can't Beijing change the rules due to the turbulent times? You yourself admitted that things need to change, but when China does it, suddenly it's wrong? You said: "China seems to want to adopt this position that they are a world power. I agree that they are the newest member of the club. But you don't begin your career by walking into a room and dictating terms to the guys who already been there for a long time." China is not a newcomer, China was a superpower long before the USA. Britain was colonial superpower during 19th century but was eventually overtaken by USA in 20th century. But prior to that, China (and also India) had been economic superpower for 1800 years and we made up 25% of the world's GDP share, according to world leading British economist, Angus Maddison. Source: Global distribution of GDP among China, India, Western Europe, USA, Middle East from 1 AD to 2003 AD wikipedia.org/wiki/File:1_AD_to_2003_AD_Historical_Trends_in_global_distribution_of_GDP_China_India_Western_Europe_USA_Middle_East.png And judging from the above trend, it looks as though China is all set to dominate the 21st century. So China is merely returning to our original status that's all, it was Westerners that toppled China during the Opium Wars. Yet you're accusing China of dictating terms, when Westerners (the new superpowers) did the same thing to China (the original superpower) during the Opium Wars?
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  7062.  @augustuswoods4548  "This is why I'm not bothering to respond to your statement about Native Americans, since that is not at all the point." You are the one who brought up the topic Native Americans here, yet when I elaborated on how their lands are still occupied today by non-Native Americans and Canadians, you decided not to respond further? That means that you're aware of the biased double standards the West has on China, but refuse to comment further on it, instead you rather point at China reclaiming Tibet (which was part of Chinese history since 800 years ago). You foreigners can criticise China negatively, but when I as a Chinese, bring up China's positive achievements, suddenly, I'm the one spreading pure propaganda? China has made numerous achievements under the leadership of the Communist Party of China, why is my pointing them out propaganda, but you painting China negatively not? Could you point out how my narrative is incomplete? Take Tibet for example, I've shown maps that Tibet was part of Chinese history since 800 years ago. I've pointed out that the 14th Dalai Lama is a CIA agent and that he received funding from CIA to train Tibetan guerrillas in separatist activities against the central government. I've even shown that the Tibetans themselves signed the Seventeen Point Agreement for the Peaceful Liberation of Tibet (中央人民政府和西藏地方政府关于和平解放西藏办法的协议) in 1951, thus affirming Chinese sovereignty over Tibet. So exactly which narrative am I missing out?
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  7063.  @richarde.halliburton8022  You said: "Taiwan joined the other burgeoning democracies - South Korea and Japan, in an economic miracle of progress from the end of WWII" Taiwan had been under authoritarian single-party KMT rule for more than half its life. For decades the KMT ruled Taiwan with iron fist and Chiang kai-shek was a dictator who jailed and executed dissidents and political rivals (whether real or perceived) in a period known as White Terror (白色恐怖) and imposed martial law on Taiwan for more than 38 years, which was qualified as "the longest imposition of martial law by a regime anywhere in the world" at that time. Source: White Terror (Taiwan) wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Terror_(Taiwan) But under authoritarian single-party KMT rule, Taiwan actually flourished and prospered, in what's known as the Taiwan Miracle (台湾奇迹). Between 1952 – 1982, Taiwan's economic growth was on average 8.7%, and between 1983 – 1986 at 6.9%. Taiwan GDP grew by 360% between 1965 – 1986. The percentage of global exports was over 2% in 1986, over other recently industrialized countries, and the global industrial production output grew a further 680% between 1965 – 1986. And its all been achieved under KMT leadership. Source: Taiwan Miracle wikipedia.org/wiki/Taiwan_Miracle Only in the late 1990s, when democracy was introduced (because USA threatened to cut off weapons sales to Taiwan) did Taiwan's economic growth became more modest. Taiwan's economy has since stagnated, wages are stagnant, cost of living is rising, unemployment is rising and Taiwan graduates are leaving the island to seek employment opportunities on the mainland. So in other words, Taiwan's massive economic miracle was achieved under authoritarian, single-party KMT rule, not because of democracy that Taiwan flourished. Look at the Taiwan economic miracle and it occurred under the authoritarian rule of Kuomintang. Under democratic multi-party system, Taiwan is struggling today.
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  7078. +Trel carbyx In modern century, China did not wage wars on the same scale as Japan and USA, so what makes you think Japan and US are far more greater than China? Did China invade Philippines like what USA and Japan did to your country? As for South China Sea Islands, China first claim those territory back in 1947, under ROC's 11 dash line, which PRC's 9 dash lines is based upon. Nobody objected to China's claim back then, not Vietnam, nor Philippines. North Vietnam had acknowledged that the Paracel and Spratly islands were historically Chinese. When Philippines became independent, it did not include Scarborough Shoals within its national boundaries. Even USA supported China's claim, and sent warships to help China reclaim those islands. But then slowly Philippines and Vietnam began encroach on Chinese territory. Philippines crash an old rusting WW2 vessel in 1999 onto one of our islands and began secretly removing Chinese markers. Chinese government protested and offered to help Philippines by sending ships to remove the vessel, but Philippines declined Instead they began reinforcing it to prevent it from disintegrating, so that they can claim our territory. So who exactly who is being sneaky here? If Philippines object to China's claim, why didn't you voice it out back in 1947, when China first made the claim? Taiwan independence is not recognized by many countries over the world, including USA, UK, France, etc, even Philippines. Chinese PLA troops continue to patrol our land at Donglong, not Bhutanese troops. The Diaoyu islands were historically Chinese, but stolen from us by Japan during the war. After Japanese WW2 surrender, Japan pledged to return all its occupied territory, so shouldn't the lands be returned to China? You are just biased against China that's all in your views. You complain of so-called Chinese "aggression" when China did not invade Philippines at all, but forgive Japan and USA when they invade and occupied your lands already shows that you have prejudice against different countries.
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  7120.  @kungflunazi9445  "China is in terminal decline" Westerners have long been predicting China's economic downfall. Here's a list: 1990. The Economist: China's economy has come to a halt. 1996. The Economist: China's economy will face hard landing. 1998. The Economist: China's economy entering a dangerous period of sluggish growth. 1999. Bank of Canada: Likelihood of a hard landing for the Chinese economy. 2000. Chicago Tribune: China currency move nails hard landing risk coffin. 2001. Wilbanks, Smith & Thomas: A hard landing in China. 2002. Westchester University: China Anxiously Seeks A Soft Economic landing. 2003. KWR International: How to find a soft landing if China.. 2004. The Economist: The great fall of China? 2005. Nouriel Roubini: The Risk of a Hard Landing in China. 2006. International Economy: Can China Achieve a Soft Landing? 2007. TIME: Is China's Economy Overheating? Can China avoid a hard landing? 2008. Forbes: Hard Landing in China? 2009. Fortune: China's hard landing. China must find a way to recover. 2010. Nouriel Roubini: Hard landing coming in China. 2011. Business Insider: A Chinese Hard Landing May Be Closer Than You Think. 2012. American Interest: Dismal Economic News from China: A Hard Landing. 2013. Zero Hedge: A Hard Landing in China. 2014. CNBC: A hard landing in China. 2015. Forbes: Congratulations, You got Yourself A Chinese Hard Landing.... 2016. The Economist: Hard Landing looms for China. 2017. National Interest: Is China's Economy Going To Crash? 2018. The Daily Reckoning: China's Coming Financial Meltdown. 2019. Zero Hedge: Seven Reasons Why China Is Facing A Hard Landing In 2019 ... But its already 2021, and China's economy is still going strong. So why continue to believe China's economy will fall, given that Western economist predictions about China's collapse been proven consistently wrong for almost 30 years already?
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  7165.  Charles Schmidd  Terminal Decline? Westerners have long been predicting China's economic downfall. Here's a list: 1990. The Economist: China's economy has come to a halt. 1996. The Economist: China's economy will face hard landing. 1998. The Economist: China's economy entering a dangerous period of sluggish growth. 1999. Bank of Canada: Likelihood of a hard landing for the Chinese economy. 2000. Chicago Tribune: China currency move nails hard landing risk coffin. 2001. Wilbanks, Smith & Thomas: A hard landing in China. 2002. Westchester University: China Anxiously Seeks A Soft Economic landing. 2003. KWR International: How to find a soft landing if China.. 2004. The Economist: The great fall of China? 2005. Nouriel Roubini: The Risk of a Hard Landing in China. 2006. International Economy: Can China Achieve a Soft Landing? 2007. TIME: Is China's Economy Overheating? Can China avoid a hard landing? 2008. Forbes: Hard Landing in China? 2009. Fortune: China's hard landing. China must find a way to recover. 2010. Nouriel Roubini: Hard landing coming in China. 2011. Business Insider: A Chinese Hard Landing May Be Closer Than You Think. 2012. American Interest: Dismal Economic News from China: A Hard Landing. 2013. Zero Hedge: A Hard Landing in China. 2014. CNBC: A hard landing in China. 2015. Forbes: Congratulations, You got Yourself A Chinese Hard Landing.... 2016. The Economist: Hard Landing looms for China. 2017. National Interest: Is China's Economy Going To Crash? 2018. The Daily Reckoning: China's Coming Financial Meltdown. 2019. Zero Hedge: Seven Reasons Why China Is Facing A Hard Landing In 2019 ... But its already 2021, and China's economy is still going strong. So why continue to believe China's economy will fall, given that Western economist predictions about China's collapse been proven consistently wrong for almost 30 years already?
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  7233.  @somaday2595  You said: "Saigon used to be called the Paris of the East/ Pearl of the Orient." That's part of the tourism campaign touted by the French seeking to attract traders and visitors to its colonies. By destroying traditional Vietnamese local temples, pagodas, monuments and buildings (some of which had stood for a millennium) and then erecting French architecture in its place, French colonists hoped to create the illusion of a "Paris of the East". The reality is that Saigon was colonized by the French, who were acquiring land, exploiting labour, exporting resources and making profit at the expense of local Vietnamese. Why'd you think the Vietnamese eventually wanted independence from France? You said: "If the French ruled Vietnam had been allowed to peacefully evolve into an independent democracy, maybe Vietnam would resemble Malaysia economically." It's the "colonial mentality" at work here. Why is it assumed that Vietnam's economic prosperity is somehow linked to whether it's a Western-style democracy or not? Countries can be undemocratic, yet economically prosperous (i.e Saudi Arabia). Likewise, countries can also be democratic, yet economically poor. (i.e many African democracies) Also, Malaysia's economy is ranked 34th in the world, while Vietnam's is ranked 39th, so the difference is almost marginal and not that significant in the big picture. But the difference in how each country attained their independence stands out. Malaysia is granted independence, whereas Vietnamese had to fight to earn their independence.
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  7253.  @SwedeenXBL  You said: "Because the American HIMARs brigades actually doesn't fire the HIMARs systems located in Ukraine lol." HIMARS actually requires targeting coordinates provided by American satellites in order to function, so as a matter of fact, the US is responsible for the HIMARS in Ukraine being able to acquire targets. You said: "Because with your logic the USA isn't involved in Ukraine, right?" I never said that, and my previous point shows that the U.S is responsible for HIMARS in Ukraine being able to acquire targets. Also, I find it astonishing that you accuse me of changing the topic, when you yourself go on tangents all the time. You said: "The fact that the AA missile system BELONGED to the 53rd Brigade proves that Russia either transferred or lended the 53rd Brigades AA missile system to separtist groups in the Donbas" There's a possibility that the AA missile system was stolen from the 53rd Brigade. Again, even Ukraine Armed Forces also use Russian weapons, and if you trace back every Ukraine weapons it had belonged to Russian at one point in its life. Additionally, how does the investigation have access to the 53rd AA Brigade? Russia has not reported that a Buk of the 53rd Brigade was deployed in Eastern Ukraine and that this Buk downed flight MH17. In response, Russian President Vladimir Putin stated that Russia would analyse the JIT conclusion, but would acknowledge it only if it became party to the investigation. But the JIT refused to allow Russia to participate in the investigation.
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  7265.  @skyeagle3123  So according to you, the coronavirus was spreading like wildfire in China, that's why China reported the mysterious pneumonia-like illness to World Health Organization on 31st Dec 2019. then why are you accusing China of keeping Covid a secret when they made available whatever information about Covid-19 to the rest of the world through the WHO, and through scientific publications such as The Lancet? Did you know that traces of Covid-19 had been found in Barcelona sewers in Spain since March 2019, nine months before the outbreak in Wuhan? Spanish virologists have found traces of the novel coronavirus in a sample of Barcelona waste water collected in March 2019, nine months before the COVID-19 disease was identified in China, the University of Barcelona said You said: "My big question is why and the world were they making a man made virus like this when it had nothing to do with humans in the frist place thats how the scienctist figure that it was man made." Where's your evidence that this coronavirus is man-made? Scientists from all over the world have since debunked the claim that Covid-19 is man-made. I mean, if you claim it's man-made then why would China even release this virus in Wuhan of all places? This would alert other countries of the existence of such a virus and also point the finger in China, so how does your conspiracy theory that the coronavirus is man-made hold water? You said: "China on the other hand could careless about there disgusting ways of life of humanity" If China really didn't care about humans, then why'd the government shut down all flights coming out of China? Why'd China built two 1000-bed temporary hospitals for patients and to save more lives? I heard that in New York, there was a shortage of hospital beds, so the doctors and nurses just erect tents in Central Park for patients, yet you're claiming the Communist Party of China doesn't care about humans? You said: "how does one ccp member own 20 trillion dollars thats right that's on one of them and if you took all there wealth together what they own would be unreal" Which communist party member owns 20 trillion dollars ($20,000,000,000,000)? The Communist Party of China has a membership of 90 million communist members, so if you multiple 20 trillion by 90 million, you'll get a figure that even the United State's economy can't match, so where did you get such an absurd figure of one communist member owning 20 trillion dollars? Let's look at the membership of the Communist Party of China. As of 30 Jun 2016, the CPC consists of: -Farmers, Herdsmen and Fishermen (26 million) -Workers (7.2 million) -Managers, professionals and technical staff in enterprises and public institutions (12.5 million) -Administrative Staff (9 million) -Party Cadres (7.4 million) ... So actually the CPC members are mostly common folk, whose the communist party member that owns $20 trillion dollars?
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  7372. Here's a Chinese analogy taken off Weibo, to explain the Russo-Ukraine conflict in the form of a family drama: More than 20 years ago, Ukraine divorced her ex-husband (Russia), and took several children along with her. Still, the ex-husband was very accommodating to her and left her with a lot of family property. After that, the ex-husband also paid off more than 200 billion in debts for her. After getting rid of her ex-husband, Ukraine started flirting with the village chief (United States) and his harem of concubines (NATO countries) until she was completely ensnared in their arms. That's still acceptable to a certain point, (but) she was smitten with the village tyrant, and hooked up with him in a plan to attack her ex-husband. The ex-husband was very angry and had insisted on returning a child: Crimea. Ukraine began to harboring grudges against her ex-husband, and dreams of someday marrying into the NATO family, which in turn would lead them right up to her ex-husband's doorstep. But the truth is that the village chief didn't really want to marry Ukraine into the family. After all, she was high-maintenance and loved to pocket his money (corruption). His many wives also didn't want Ukraine to join family, but in front of Ukraine, they were all smiles and encouraging her to join. The village chief just wanted to use her like a pawn to bully her ex-husband. After 8 years of constant abuse, her two children (Donetsk and Luhansk) were crying and imploring for help from their father. The village chief was always on the sidelines in the ex-husband and wife quarrel, occasionally sending in expired items (ammunition) from time to time. Because of that, Ukraine thought she had someone to support her, and became even more presumptuous towards her ex-husband. The ex-husband could bear it no longer, took another glance at the poor treatment of the children, and rushed over in defense of his two children, so the ex husband and wife started fighting. Now, the village chief and his many wives are cheering on Ukraine from the sidelines, yet none of them are willing to lift an actual finger and partake in the fighting themselves. Ukraine is unlikely to marry into the NATO family, because that would mean that the village chief and his many wives would be obliged to join the fight against the ex-husband. ... Hopefully this analogy puts the Russo-Ukraine conflict into perspective and on a more relatable level.
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  7398.  @andrenogueira5058  The Tibetans have found that their quality of improved. Previously, while Tibet was under Dalai Lama rule, Tibet was a brutal theocracy, where 95% of the population were slaves and the remaining 5% elites were slave owners. Tibetan mountainous soil is infertile, rainfall is scarce in the Himalayas, so the slaves had to work hard to feed the Tibetan population. Starvation was commonplace and theft of food was punished by torture, amputation and even skinning. There's this Tibetan drum called damaru that's made from human skulls, a drumskin made of human skin and drumstick made of human bone. The Dalai Lama was overly worshipped and his followers fought for the right to consume his saliva, his urine and even his feces, because he was considered a divine vessel. After Tibet returned back to China, Chinese workers began rapidly modernising Tibet, building roads, railways, streetlamps, running water, gas and electricity as well as introducing modern amenities like cars, computers, telephone cables, smartphones, the Internet, WiFi, online shopping (from Taobao) and so on. Under CPC, the first Tibetan colleges opened in Lhasa, offering degrees in both Tibetan and Mandarin Chinese languages. Hydroelectric powerstations were built by Chinese to supply Tibetan homes with electricity. Chinese workers built the Qinghai-Lhasa railway (world's highest elevation railway) through dangerous mountainous terrain and low oxygen environments, to connect the normally isolated Tibet with the rest of the world. Tibet can now import food from the mainland to feed its population, and Tibet's population has tripled from 1 million in 1950s to over 3 million people today. A thriving tourist industry has even sprung up in Tibet.
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  7408. @Danish Khan Over 70 years ago, nobody ever thought "communist" China would ever succeed, or that China would ever play a prominent role in today's history. When the Soviet Union collapsed in 1990s, everyone expected China would soon follow. But China has consistently defied all expectations of imminent failure, and succeeded long after the USSR dissolution. The Chinese Communist Party is not perfect (then again, which government body is?) but despite its initial failures and setbacks, under its leadership, China's population doubled, our lifespans doubled, our literacy rates doubled and our poverty rates plummeted. This graph shows life-expectencies across China, India, Europe and USA. Life Expectancy at Birth in China, Europe, USA and India china-profile.com/data/fig_WPP2010_L0_Boths.htm China was once dirt-poor, war-torn, starving country, similar to India (world's largest democracy) in the past, but today, China has since transformed into world's 2nd largest economy, the world's factory (Made in China), the world's 3rd largest arms exporter, having world's 2nd highest R&D spending, protected by world's largest land army, the People's Liberation Army and funded by world's 2nd highest military expenditure. And China today has strong global presence as well being influential player of world politics. And its all achieved under the CCP leadership, despite decades of Westerners fully expecting China to fail, China has continually succeeded, so why continue to believe those biased Westerners views about China?
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  7435.  @peterhanssens7260  You said: "As to the political part of life, would one, given the choice to live in a democracy with the freedoms associated with that life or a one party state run by a Party that seized power and kept it for it ?" If the dictatorship has shown to be viable for our country and able to produce results that ordinary people enjoy, then I don't see anything wrong with an alternative political system to Western brand of democracy. Look at India (world's largest democracy) and why hasn't India surpassed China, despite being a Western brand of democracy? Both China and India are the two countries with the world's largest populations (1.4 billion for China, 1.3 billion for India) and we were both dirt-poor countries in the past. Yet under a one-party system, China has succeeded where India hasn't under Western democracy, so is there a really a need for China to abandon our political system and adopt Western brand of democracy? …… You said: "Don't forget the major players in the CCP, a great deal of them are children or have past connections to the party either through Parents or others." The Communist Party of China is a meritocracy, selecting and promoting its members based on deeds performed, not through family bloodlines. The top student of every school (or the top 5%) with the best grades is recruited to join the CPC and contribute their brainpower to China. The new members are put on probation for one year, before becoming a full fledged communist member and being allowed to participate in political decision-making, rising through the ranks by garnering votes from other politically experienced communist members.
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  7437.  @peterhanssens7260  You said: "Democracy is not perfect and doesn't pretend to be. Totalitarianism has been ruling China for just 70 + years who is to say that will continue ? No guarantees right ?" China once tried Western "democracy" back when Dr Sun Yatsen overthrew the previous Qing Dynasty China and established "democratic" Republic of China 🇹🇼 (1912-1949), but China was divided into several areas, we lost control of Tibet, and various warlords ruled different parts of China and even Japan invaded China twice during this weak period of Chinese history. Dr. Sun tried to get help from the Western powers, but they laughed at the thought of China copying their democracy. They even gave away the Shandong province (which had been occupied by the Germans during WWI) to Japan, instead of returning it to China (even when China was part of the Allies during WWI). In the end, Dr. Sun died without ever realising a unified China under democracy. But then Mao Zedong came along, and he accomplished what the ROC could not, and reunifed China under communism, proclaiming the People's Republic of China 🇨🇳 in 1949 and Tibet was finally returned back to China in 1951. If not for Chairman Mao, China today would still be weak and divided country, fighting among ourselves, instead of the strong unified country we are today. China doesn't just have 70+ years of authoritarian rule, what about earlier 5000 years of Chinese history, being under the authoritarian rule of the Emperor and the Imperial Court? Democracy has even less of an impact on China than authoritarian rule, history has shown that China is at our most successful, when we are under authoritarian rule, so why is there a sudden need to abandon our political system and adopt Western brand of democracy? Because Westerners say so? …… You said: "The Chinese are not, by tradition, a militarist people and the Defense Forces of China are untested in long military conflicts, the recent conflict with India is proof of that. So are you saying that you want China to be a warmongering nation like the USA? China doesn't want war, but that doesn't mean China is weak. China is not afraid of war and we are constantly improving our defenses so that invaders like Britain and Japan think twice before invading China like they did in the past.
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  7438.  @peterhanssens7260  You said: "Mainland Chinese now have finally the right to travel because the CCP said so, "thank you daddy" they will see things and come back with stories but the travel experience will change them…" Yes, Chinese tourists are everywhere in world today, I myself have the opportunity to learn English and study abroad, but I was appalled at the sheer amount of Western anti-China propaganda out there. Whenever I bring up China's achievements, many Westerners just laugh at me, called me brainwashed or a communist party shill, or told me to "Go back to China if you like it there." These anti-China Westerners never even set foot in China and see what life is like here for themselves, yet they are already lecturing me (a Chinese) on how "evil" my own country's political system is. In 2018 over 100 million Chinese tourists travelled abroad, and 99.99% of Chinese choose to return back to China. This shows that majority of Chinese citizens aren't impressed with so-called Western democracy, in fact the election of Trump has shown how a system like Western democracy can suffer catastrophically. …… You said: "I personally think that Xi's aggressive behavior is counter to what the wise men of China want and I am sure that the powers to be outside the CCP want change." What aggressive behaviour? I've already shown that President Xi Jinping publicly stated that China's political system is not for export, and the fact remains that China today is currently at peace and not at war with any country. …… You said: "Dictatorship is easy and democracy is hard why, because democracy is an open system that are the results of many hard fought battles." About democracy, what makes you think allowing ordinary citizens to participate in political decision-making is a wise idea? Ordinary people are fickle and they make poor voters for several reasons: -Ordinary people may not vote responsibly (i.e. They may not turn up to vote, or they submit blank votes) -Ordinary people may base their vote on emotions, not logic (i.e. Many British don't like immigrants, so majority voted for Brexit) -Ordinary people are susceptible to foreign influences (i.e. Russian interference in US elections) -Ordinary people may simply lack awareness of the country's real political situation, to make informed decisions regarding the country's future. There's a host of other problems associated with democracy, so why not let those who know how to govern, govern? That's what China is doing and look at how successful China is.
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  7465.  @topsuperseven7910  Westerners have long been predicting China's economic downfall. Here's a list: 1990. The Economist: China's economy has come to a halt. 1996. The Economist: China's economy will face hard landing. 1998. The Economist: China's economy entering a dangerous period of sluggish growth. 1999. Bank of Canada: Likelihood of a hard landing for the Chinese economy. 2000. Chicago Tribune: China currency move nails hard landing risk coffin. 2001. Wilbanks, Smith & Thomas: A hard landing in China. 2002. Westchester University: China Anxiously Seeks A Soft Economic landing. 2003. KWR International: How to find a soft landing if China.. 2004. The Economist: The great fall of China? 2005. Nouriel Roubini: The Risk of a Hard Landing in China. 2006. International Economy: Can China Achieve a Soft Landing? 2007. TIME: Is China's Economy Overheating? Can China avoid a hard landing? 2008. Forbes: Hard Landing in China? 2009. Fortune: China's hard landing. China must find a way to recover. 2010. Nouriel Roubini: Hard landing coming in China. 2011. Business Insider: A Chinese Hard Landing May Be Closer Than You Think. 2012. American Interest: Dismal Economic News from China: A Hard Landing. 2013. Zero Hedge: A Hard Landing in China. 2014. CNBC: A hard landing in China. 2015. Forbes: Congratulations, You got Yourself A Chinese Hard Landing.... 2016. The Economist: Hard Landing looms for China. 2017. National Interest: Is China's Economy Going To Crash? 2018. The Daily Reckoning: China's Coming Financial Meltdown. 2019. Zero Hedge: Seven Reasons Why China Is Facing A Hard Landing In 2019 2020. Forbes: Remember The China 'Hard Landing'? We Got One. ... But its already 2021, and China's economy is still going strong. So why continue to believe China's economy will fall, given that Western economist predictions about China's collapse been proven consistently wrong for 30 years already?
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  7500.  @hangtuah888  "神州 Shenzhou I am so sorry you are just showing ignorance. Anglo Saxon pertained to the people from British Isles only, there is Germanic and various like Slavs are not Anglo Saxons." But the term Caucasian is even worst, it included people from Europe, Western, Central, and South Asia, North Africa, and the Horn of Africa. so it's very inaccurate when you use such an outdated term to refer to white people. Anglo Saxon (pertaining to the people from British Isles) is still more accurate, as the British had many colonies including United States, Canada, Australia, etc, that share this similar "Western" cultural values. You said: "The term Mongoloid whilst it is used to describe people with Down Syndrome, does not rendered the term invalid or pejorative." Go ahead and call say a Japanese person a Mongoloid then, and see whether it's offensive to them. I know it's offensive to me if someone calls me Mongoloid, especially when you know the connection to Down Syndrome then why continue using these outdated terms? You said: "Think about it as it really annoyed me that you opined on something you know very little about." So instead of refuting my points that I brought out, you choose to hurl insults against me by claiming I opined on something I know very little about? I just search the term Caucasian and found many articles showing that it's an outdated and borderline offensive term to many white people. You said: "Please do not get on your high horse and try and debate me on anything." Again, why are you seemingly trying to make this personal? High Horse? I'm saying that Caucasians as a term is rude to some people, how am I on a high horse when I'm taking in consideration white people's feelings towards the use of the term Caucasian? You said: "I had a Malaysian Chinese telling me that there are millions of underground Chinese who are christians. I told him the mere fact it is underground he would not be able to determine the numbers and how he can come up with that figure is beyond me." That's great for you, but what has your encounter with a Malaysian Chinese even got to do with this discussion? You said: "I constantly get comments from netizens who praised me that I used facts and figures to back up my comments." That's a great boast you made there, and surely you feel praised but people do make mistakes every now and then. You said: "I was shocked and aghast that you dare to state in writing that Caucasian hailed from the Caucasus." I just searched Wikipedia: Caucasian and the first entry is Anthropology -Anything from the Caucasus region -Peoples of the Caucasus, humans from the Caucasus region So what's so shocking to you that I dare to state in writing that Caucasian hailed from the Caucasus? Earlier you shamelessly boasted earlier that you get comments from netizens who praised you that you used facts and figures to back up your comments, but people still do mistakes now and then. You said: "It really showed the shallowness of your reading and worst understanding." At least I did some research, but I'm not the one shameless boasting how netizens praised me or anything like that. You said: "FYI, I hold degrees in Arts majoring in Political Science and well aware of the different genus classifying humanity as well as few other fields." That kinda sounds like a defensive boast that someone makes when seemingly challenged on his/her authority. Sounds like the argument of "Trust me, I'm an expert." even though we have no way of verifying whether your claims are true or not. You said: "I do not comment on YouTube out of ignorance." Well, there's always a first time for everything. You said: "It is okay to admit you do not know as I do not expect you to know unless you read widely." I believe I've never really admitted to knowing absolutely everything, but I've encountered such people who shamelessly boasted that netizens praised them that they "use facts," and they told me to "get off my high horse" as if I'm the one boasting like that. "But what I dislike and intolerant of is ignorance or falsehood." That I can agree with. I too dislike ignorance and falsehood, and I hope more people read up and learn what terms are considered possibly offensive to other races. We as Asians know what's offensive to us, but we should also learn what's offensive to other races and try to understand it from their point of view.
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  7510. I'm sure many people are confused about the Ukraine/Russia conflict. Here's a Chinese analogy to explain the Ukraine/Russia situation better, in the form of a family drama to hopefully make it more understandable to audiences. More than 20 years ago, Ukraine divorced her ex-husband (Russia), taking several children along with her. Still, the ex-husband was very accommodating to her and generously left her with a lot of family property as well as paying off more than 200 billion in debts for her. After getting rid of her ex-husband, Ukraine started flirting with the village chief (United States) and his harem of concubines (i.e NATO countries) until she was completely ensnared in their arms. That's still acceptable to a certain degree, (but) she was enraptured with the village tyrant, and hooked up with him in a plan to attack her ex-husband. The ex-husband was very angry and had insisted on returning a child: Crimea. Ukraine began to harboring grudges against her ex-husband, and someday dreams of marrying into the NATO family, and of surrounding and constricting her ex-husband. The village chief didn't really want to marry Ukraine into the NATO family, because she was high-maintenance and loved to pocket his money (corruption). Even his many wives did not want her into the family, yet they still encouraged her to join the family. In truth, the village chief just wanted to use her like a pawn to bully her ex-husband. After 8 years of constant abuse, her two children (Donetsk and Luhansk) were crying and imploring for help from their father. The village chief was always on the sidelines in the ex husband and wife conflict, occasionally sending in expired items (ammunition) from time to time. Ukraine thought she had someone to support her, and became even more presumptuous towards her ex-husband. The ex-husband could bear it no longer, took another glance at the poor treatment of the children, and rushed over in defense of his two children, so the ex husband and wife started fighting. Now, the village chief and his many wives are cheering on Ukraine from the sidelines, yet none of them are willing to actually partake in the actual fighting themselves. Ukraine is unlikely to marry into the NATO family, because that would mean that the village chief and his many wives would have to join the fight against the ex-husband. ... Hopefully this helps clear up any confusion in the Ukraine/Russian war and puts it on a more relatable level.
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  7538.  Giovanni Sanchez  Westerners have long been predicting China's economic downfall. Here's a list: 1990. The Economist: China's economy has come to a halt. 1996. The Economist: China's economy will face hard landing. 1998. The Economist: China's economy entering a dangerous period of sluggish growth. 1999. Bank of Canada: Likelihood of a hard landing for the Chinese economy. 2000. Chicago Tribune: China currency move nails hard landing risk coffin. 2001. Wilbanks, Smith & Thomas: A hard landing in China. 2002. Westchester University: China Anxiously Seeks A Soft Economic landing. 2003. KWR International: How to find a soft landing if China.. 2004. The Economist: The great fall of China? 2005. Nouriel Roubini: The Risk of a Hard Landing in China. 2006. International Economy: Can China Achieve a Soft Landing? 2007. TIME: Is China's Economy Overheating? Can China avoid a hard landing? 2008. Forbes: Hard Landing in China? 2009. Fortune: China's hard landing. China must find a way to recover. 2010. Nouriel Roubini: Hard landing coming in China. 2011. Business Insider: A Chinese Hard Landing May Be Closer Than You Think. 2012. American Interest: Dismal Economic News from China: A Hard Landing. 2013. Zero Hedge: A Hard Landing in China. 2014. CNBC: A hard landing in China. 2015. Forbes: Congratulations, You got Yourself A Chinese Hard Landing.... 2016. The Economist: Hard Landing looms for China. 2017. National Interest: Is China's Economy Going To Crash? 2018. The Daily Reckoning: China's Coming Financial Meltdown. 2019. Zero Hedge: Seven Reasons Why China Is Facing A Hard Landing In 2019 ... But its already 2021, and China's economy is still going strong. So why continue to believe China's economy will fall, given that Western economist predictions about China's collapse been proven consistently wrong for almost 30 years already?
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  7612.  @ryanshiflett2178  "神州 Shenzhou It doesn't matter what Russia perceives to be true, that is separate from reality." Again, the fact that you so casually just dismiss Russia's position just goes to show how much Putin's words have fallen on deaf ears, because of the Western hubris towards Russia after the collapse of the Soviet Union. You want to know the reality? The reality is that Donetsk and Lugansk were already independent republics (that's reality yes) before Russia even declared them independent, and Ukrainian ultra-nationalist continued shelling of Donbas is perceived by Russia as an attack on two independent republics (much like Germany's attack on Poland was viewed as such by the Allies). So instead of limiting the battle to Donbas region, Moscow is taking the fight to Kiev, in very much the same way the Allies took the fighting to Germany instead of limiting it to Poland where Germany attacked. You said: "By taking Russia's position (a flawed position), you have now moved the goalposts (in other words, you've committed a logical fallacy) and constructed a flawed argument." How have I moved the goalpost by taking Russia's position? Do you actually have proof that Russia's position is flawed? Russia perceived Ukraine joining NATO as an existential threat to it's existence, because NATO would be able to move missiles and deploy soldiers to Russia's doorstep, very much the same way the 1962 Cuban Missile Crisis posed an existential threat to USA through the Soviet deployment of missiles to Cuba. Many applauded President Kennedy for his refusal to back down and eventually the Soviets withdrew their missiles, so Putin also perceives Ukraine joining NATO as an existential threat much like Soviet missiles in Cuba posed to USA.
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  7614. @UCyRXng9S48e9VJzpTLveAMw "Last I heard, the Taiwanese government does not officially claim the Chinese Mainland as their own territory anymore, even it might still be in their constitution." Well, why didn't Taiwan put that down in their constitution? Since there hasn't been any amendments to Taiwan's constitution, that means by default, Taiwan is part of China under their own constitution. You said: "I'm not sure about their current position on the South China Sea, though, but It wouldn't surprise me if they also claimed this like the Chinese Mainland does," Taiwan still maintains the claim the South China Sea under the Republic of China's 🇹🇼 11-Dash Line published in 1947. The People's Republic of China 🇨🇳 modified the claim by removing 2 dashes and arriving at the 9-Dash Line. You said: "I think it's pretty clear by now that Hong Kong does not really have a One government, Two Systems policy anymore after what Beijing recently did to Hong Kong with the so-called Hong Kong National Security Law after it bypassed Hong Kong's approval." How? Hong Kong clearly have their own Hong Kong government separate from the mainland government in Beijing, how doe the One Country, Two System policy not apply anymore? Every state has a National Security Law of their own, even the USA employed their National Security Law during the Capitol Hill riots. According to Hong Kong's Basic Law Article 23 (香港基本法第二十三條) states that Hong Kong shall enact laws to prohibit any act of treason, secession, sedition, subversion against the Central People's Government (aka Beijing) so the Hong Kong National Security Law was a long time coming in preventing any act of treason, secession, sedition, subversion against Beijing. You said: "The only people anyone can vote for are those who Beijing has approved of, not the Hong Kong people themselves." That's in accordance with Hong Kong Basic Law Article 45 (香港基本法第四十五條) which states that: "The Chief Executive of the Hong Kong Special Administrative Region shall be selected by election or through consultations held locally and be appointed by the Central People's Government." So clearly, the Central People's Government (aka Beijing) reserves the right to appoint Hong Kong's Chief Executive as per Article 45. You said: "I'm not saying it would be an military invasion of one country by another, I'm saying it would be a military invasion of one democratically elected government by a non-democratically elected government," This is getting weird, how can a government invade another government? It's countries that invade each other, but since Taiwan is part of China (as per both Taiwan and the mainland's constitution) then that means China is not invading ourselves, if anything, it would be a resumption of the previously stalled Chinese Civil War fought by between the Nationalist KMT and the Communists.
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  7717. Here's a Chinese analogy taken off Weibo, to explain the Russo-Ukraine conflict in the form of a family drama: More than 20 years ago, Ukraine divorced her ex-husband (Russia), and took several children along with her. Still, the ex-husband was very accommodating to her and left her with a lot of family property. After that, the ex-husband also paid off more than 200 billion in debts for her. After getting rid of her ex-husband, Ukraine started flirting with the village chief (United States) and his harem of concubines (NATO countries) until she was completely ensnared in their arms. That's still acceptable to a certain point, (but) she was smitten with the village tyrant, and hooked up with him in a plan to attack her ex-husband. The ex-husband was very angry and had insisted on returning a child: Crimea. Ukraine began to harboring grudges against her ex-husband, and dreams of someday marrying into the NATO family, which in turn would lead them right up to her ex-husband's doorstep. But the truth is that the village chief didn't really want to marry Ukraine into the family. After all, she was high-maintenance and loved to pocket his money (corruption). His many wives also didn't want Ukraine to join family, but in front of Ukraine, they were all smiles and encouraging her to join. The village chief just wanted to use her like a pawn to bully her ex-husband. After 8 years of constant abuse, her two children (Donetsk and Luhansk) were crying and imploring for help from their father. The village chief was always on the sidelines in the ex-husband and wife quarrel, occasionally sending in expired items (ammunition) from time to time. Because of that, Ukraine thought she had someone to support her, and became even more presumptuous towards her ex-husband. The ex-husband could bear it no longer, took another glance at the poor treatment of the children, and rushed over in defense of his two children, so the ex husband and wife started fighting. Now, the village chief and his many wives are cheering on Ukraine from the sidelines, yet none of them are willing to lift an actual finger and partake in the fighting themselves. Ukraine is unlikely to marry into the NATO family, because that would mean that the village chief and his many wives would be obliged to join the fight against the ex-husband. ... Hopefully this analogy puts the Russo-Ukraine conflict into perspective and on a more relatable level.
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  7723.  @mojito4493  Chiang kai-Shek even served in the Japanese Army from 1909 to 1911. He purged communists from KMT and their removal of Communists from within the ranks allowed him free reign to give himself what amounted to dictatorial power over much of China. Source: 11 Things You Should Know About Chiang Kai-shek https://theculturetrip.com/asia/taiwan/articles/11-things-know-chiang-kai-shek/ When the Japanese invaded Manchuria, Chiang refused to face the Japanese invaders, until two of his subordinates, Generals Zhang Xueliang and Yang Hucheng, had to kidnap him to get him to ally with the communists in a united front against the Japanese. (Xi'an Incident) Additionally, the Communists actually saved his leadership, and it’s often forgotten that without the Communists’ help, Chiang would never have survived as a political force, since was the communists who convinced the officers to release Chiang and allow him to take control of the government once again. Chiang’s efforts against the Japanese gained him some influential friends. And although the Communist General Mao was responsible for much of the damage inflicted upon the Japanese, it was Chiang who got the credit mainly from Britain and the US. When civil war broke out in China, Chiang expected help from the allies, but after a long campaign against both the Japanese and the Germans, the US and Britain were reluctant to get involved in a civil war. His Western ‘friends’ literally abandoned him. He suppressed local culture in Taiwan (White Terror) and was responsible for the imprisonment of 140,000 Taiwanese. These people were taken captive for their alleged opposition to the KMT. At this time, anyone openly criticizing the ruling party was deemed a Communist sympathizer. He held the Taiwan presidency for 25 years. He held the Taiwan under a permanent state of martial law, thus ensuring his power was absolute. In fact, the constitution only allowed for two terms in power, but with martial law as his excuse, Chiang could rule indefinitely.
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  7806.  @rpg1663  You said: "Many of the last century big discoveries and developments were made by much smaller countries," Because China in the last century was undergoing civil strife, starvation, poverty, invasion, and exploitation by the West (and Japan), in whats called the Century of Humiliation. During the 19th Century, the British wanted to continue drinking Chinese tea, but China did not want anything the West had to offer, so they waged two wars with China and forced us to buy opium from them, which was unwanted because it made our people sick and was poisoning the country. Port cities like Hong Kong was taken to act as a drug distribution hub to spread the addiction throughout the rest of China. Even when Hong Kong was eventually returned in 1997, the mainland had to agree to the Sino-British Declaration just for them to handover what was previously Chinese territory that they've taken. But now that China has reunified, civil strife has ended, and poverty alleviation efforts proving successful, it's only a matter of time for new discoveries and developments to start coming out of China. You said: "And please don't mention 5G LOL.. It's a good improvement of an already existing technology though." That's the point about existing technology, it can always be improved upon and be opened up to new uses. The same goes for carbon chips, which you claimed existed since 2013, but in 2020, China has made a breakthrough in perfecting the process for large scale industrial application. Once silicon-based chip reaches its theoretical limit, then lithography machines are simply unable to make those chips any smaller, so alternatives like carbon chips (whom are more efficient and less energy intensive) may come to the forefront, and China will no longer be affected by U.S sanctions on lithography machines, since the manufacturing process for carbon chips are different from silicon.
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  7932.  @PhysicsGamer  I don't think anyone in China really wants portray themselves as that "the sort of person who uses that particular stroke order" it is because it's the accepted stroke order (as prescribed by the Chinese education system). I mean, nobody in English writes from right to left (eg, writing PhysicsGamer by starting with r-e-m-a-G-s-c-i-s-y-h-P) because they want to be "that person". What are you trying to suggest by bringing this as a matter of style/identity? Perhaps it's those who deliberately follow wrong stroke order that do so out of a sense of identity, not the ones who observe proper stroke order. For those having grown up with a different stroke, more often they find that learning the proper stroke order is beneficial rather than the one they were brought up with. You don't see the problem with your 台 character because it doesn't resemble any known Chinese character, it looks like Korean Hangul character. Someone looking at your character may not even realise you are writting Chinese, when it looks like Korean Hangul, so how can you say that there is no problem? Try asking other Chinese to decipher your illegible 台 character and how does that not constitute a problem in itself? Chinese is not English or German and the Chinese character for gift is definitely different from the English or German word. And about in what possible set of circumstances that you'll wind up needing to write that character to a Chinese stranger, what if the Chinese stranger doesn't understand your Mandarin and you need to write 台 (let's say for Taiwan 台湾) and you ended writing a Korean Hangul character instead? That Chinese stranger could assume that you're from Korea or going to Korea or all manner of misunderstandings. Even today, Chinese people write characters on people's hands (following the proper stroke order) to communicate the meaning across. Just like some Japanese people do with Kanji (Hanzi) Yes, my SCMP article does say "the speed of cursive is required" but it doesn't specifically say "cursive is faster than print" so where does my SCMP article say that "cursive is faster than print"? When it says "start printing their letters, it's talking about learning to write the characters instead of "print" (as in computer print) Here's a printing exercise for example. The next step after tracing letters is printing letters. Practicing printing letters helps kids learn the alphabet and is the first step towards learning to write. We provide a set of 26 printing letter worksheets, each with both upper case and lower case letters. Source: Printing letter worksheets for preschool & kindergarten https://m.k5learning.com/free-preschool-kindergarten-worksheets/letters-alphabet/printing-letters Can't you see your contradiction when you said "cursive has nothing to do with writing phonemes rather than letters" and "One also groups phonemes when one writes on print. That is not unique to cursive."? Since you admitted that you can also group phonemes in cursive, then how's it that cursive has nothing to do with phonemes? Either can be done, so both have something to do with phonemes, but the article is stating that cursive helps join phonemes together. Because each letter is connected to the next letter in proper cursive, and phonemes (like say Phy-sics-Ga-mer) have their letters connected in cursive and allows for better memorization according to the article. You saying "Despite never having seen the character 神 before" could have been referring to me even though 神 is part of my username. And since you have seen my username yourself then you clearly seen 神 before, so why did you claim that you never seen (or encountered) this character before? Those were your exact words, and it meant that 神 was a completely new character that you never seen or encountered before. I could tell you wrote 神 on digital input but had you written using pen or brush, then it's possible that you may have messed up the word many times before. Digital input allows for numerous "undo"s and deletion without much penalty, compare to making mistakes while writing on paper. "I made every stroke of the character while expending the least effort towards legibility as possible" No, it is apparent that this time that you expended additional effort to at least make 神 look legible, after your earlier mess up with 台. Your 台 character is an example where all notion of legibility is tossed out the window and had you applied the same mentality to 神, you wouldn't have acquired such a legible character. Even your "downward curve stroke" was clearly an attempt to make 礻look more legible, when following the proper stroke order would have resulted in a legible 礻radical. And about your hand position is after each stroke, had you followed a loop (left, top, right) like you said then there would be a moment in time when you were acting against gravity (from left to top, for example) than had you followed the proper stroke order for 礻 if this was a written on a wall or chalkboard for instance. Fewer strokes doesn't necessarily mean that you'll save energy or "expend less effort" if your hand positioning after each stroke isn't positioned to make the next stroke efficiently. Proper stoke order often take into consideration the hand position after each stroke in order to minimise energy spent. "Drawing against gravity isn't difficult when one isn't using a calligraphy brush or feather pen." Writing from top to bottom helps to minimise the affect of gravity on your writing, when your writing on a vertical surface like a wall or whiteboard or chalkboard. Sure, you may not be doing it right now, but what if when you encounter a situation where you have to write a character on the classroom chalkboard? Do you follow the proper stroke order or continue with your different stroke order, starting from bottom to the top? If you memorised the wrong stroke order since childhood, how can you apply the wrong stroke order every time to every situation in life? Rather than had you memorised the proper stroke order right from the beginning? How did you draw your 口 then? A single continuous line? If doing so, then at least one of left or right lines would be going against gravity and results in more effort spent instead of following the proper stroke order. The rounding of top and rightmost side of the box is normal and accepted, but oftentimes not a single O to represent a box. You've seen new students introduced to Chinese characters several different ways, but oftentimes those that don't stick to the proper stroke order may give up halfway through their studies or never fully realise the significance of stroke order until later when they reach the higher levels of the language. Learning different ways to write a single character results in less memorisation of a single proper stroke order and makes it more difficult to memorise the character if there are multiple ways to write them. Such students you described probably never advanced beyond learning basic Chinese characters. Yes, 藏 is consist of different components 艹, 爿, 臣, 戈 and each component have their own stroke order. I don't which method you used, but 藏 is generally written in that order from 艹, 爿, 臣, 戈. Your naive approach to writing 臧 was correct, because the inclination to start from left to right with 爿, 臣, 戈 is the proper stroke order. You don't start with 臣 in the middle before going to 爿 or 戈 because it's the wrong stroke order. As for the hairy situation you described, the first two strokes are necessary to "gauge the height of width" of the character and that's why an exception to the stroke order is made to allow the first stroke of 戈 to be made. This is common in some Chinese characters resulting a sort of merger between the components. For example, 我 was originally 手 and 戈 that over the years, have been merged into a single character 我 with its own stroke order, because the horizontal line that's "shared" by the component stabilises the overall shape. It's a bit difficult to explain unless you write out the character and want it to look neat on paper. And like I said earlier to blacklistnr1, for all my talk of stroke order, Chinese is an evolving language and microchanges are happening. The thing is that stroke order forms a proper basis for writing a certain character a certain way and over the course of thousands of years, the Chinese stroke order has been refined by scholars to what it is today. 臣 character has multiple stroke order. Some complete the internals first, others draw the outer boundary first. Both start from the top and ended on the bottom. 臣 stroke order (Method 1) strokeorder.info/mandarin.php?q=%E8%87%A3 臣 stroke order (Method 2) visualmandarin.com/tools/chinese-stroke-order/60682 I guess in this instance there are multiple ways to write 臣 but you started from the bottom, left and top sides, then doesn't it meant you drew against gravity at one point? And about "Finally I added the 艹 as standard" what happened if say you forgotten to write 艹 after you written 臧? You would have ended up with a different word and that's one reason why Chinese insist you start from top to bottom. People are generally lazy, even in English, many students forget to "dot their i's" because its instinctive that once you reach the rightside or bottomside, you feel like you completed the character or word. Many other characters with 艹 like 草, 莲, 菊, 茞, etc would form different words had the 艹 been forgotten at the end. So proper stroke order helps minimise potential mistakes as well in this case. About your totally different style of writing 藏, it's incorrect in the same way that 我 would be incorrect if 手 and 戈 were separated. Some people might even see it as 3 different characters, like 爿, 茞 and 戈 for instance.
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  7939.  @venkatramakkineni  I never said that language can be represented by only one writing system. Take Japanese for example and there's Hiragana, Katakana and Kanji for writing the same word. But is learning this additional writing forms (like you said Sanskrit has 5 different scripts) means that the language has practicality? "Once you master English, Hindi, Telugu alphabet, you can read just about any text anywhere written in that language. You may not understand it, but that is beyond the point." How many words does English have compared Chinese? Including all those scientific nomenclature for the sciences? And like I said earlier, you don't need to know every single character in the Chinese language. An educated Chinese person will know about 8,000 characters, but you will only need about 2-3,000 to be able to read a newspaper. And what's the point of reading words when you don't know their meaning? Let's look at Chemistry for example and specifically at the Periodic Table of the Elements. In Chinese, the Chinese characters for metallic elements have the 钅radical for metal attached to them, such as 银(Silver), 铜 (Copper), 铁 (Iron), 铝 (Aluminium), 镍 (Nickel). The Chinese characters for elements which are gases have a 气 radical for gas attached to them, like 氧 (oxygen), 氮 (nitrogen), 氢 (hydrogen), 氯 (chlorine), 氟 (fluorine) and so on. The Chinese characters for non-metallic elements have the 石 radical for stone attached to them, such as 硼 (boron), 碳 (carbon), 硅 (silicon), 磷 (phosphorus), 碘 (iodine) and so on. You might even say that Chinese characters are more efficient than English words. Source: The Periodic Table Song With Chinese Character 元素周期表之美丽的汉字 youtu.be/MKn5FmWn_ME Again, adults have a harder time learning a new language because they already have their own 1st language and they're now learning a 2nd language. Compared than a kid learning a new language for the first time. And it's not that learning to write Chinese as an adult is hard, it depends on the adult's linguistical background. For example, Japanese adults often have an easier time learning Chinese characters (they have Kanji after all) compared to an adult English speaker learning Chinese for the first time. It depends on the adult's background, you can't just say that learning to write Chinese characters is not easy for adults. "English has 26 unique sounds" You're wrong, English has at least approximately 44 sounds, with some variation dependent on accent and articulation. The 44 English phonemes are represented by the 26 letters of the alphabet individually and in combination. You think that just because there are 26 letters in the English alphabets means that there are 26 unique sounds? Source: The 44 Sounds in the English Language thoughtco.com/sounds-in-english-language-3111166 And compared to that, Mandarin Chinese has about 37 unique sounds which is smaller than English. So by your standards, doesn't this imply Chinese is more efficient and more practical than say, English? You only need to program less sounds into a Mandarin voice-output software, compared to the sheer amount of English sounds so isn't Mandarin Chinese more practical in this regard? Why have more sounds, when you can communicate with less sounds? How does it make a language more practical? About decimal numbers, you aren't referring to spoken numbers so you're referring to written numbers? You can write in English all the numbers, such one, two, three, four, ... ten, eleven, twelve, thirteen, ... twenty-five, twenty-six, twenty-seven,... ninety-nine, one hundred, one hundred and one, one hundred and two.. nine-hundred and ninety-nine, one thousand, etc and its difficult to write (and read) everything out. Whereas in Chinese it's 一,二,三,... 十 (ten),十一(eleven),十二 (twelve),... 二十 (twenty), 二十一 (twenty-one), 九十九 (ninety-nine), 一百 (one hundred), 一百一 (hundred and one)... 九百九十九 (nine hundred and ninety-nine), 一千 (one thousand) and so on. In written numbers, written Chinese is much more efficient than written English numbers, so again, how does this make Chinese an impractical language? China actually publishes more books than any other country in the world per year, according to the following source: Books published per country per year 1. China (440,000) 2. United States (304,912) 3. United Kingdom (184,000) 4. Japan (139,078) 5. Russia (101,981) 6. Germany (93,600) 7. India (90,000) ... Source: Books published per country per year wikipedia.org/wiki/Books_published_per_country_per_year
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  7947. Here's a Chinese analogy taken off Weibo, to explain the Russo-Ukraine conflict in the form of a family drama: More than 20 years ago, Ukraine divorced her ex-husband (Russia), and took several children along with her. Still, the ex-husband was very accommodating to her and left her with a lot of family property. After that, the ex-husband also paid off more than 200 billion in debts for her. After getting rid of her ex-husband, Ukraine started flirting with the village chief (United States) and his harem of concubines (NATO countries) until she was completely ensnared in their arms. That's still acceptable to a certain point, (but) she was smitten with the village tyrant, and hooked up with him in a plan to attack her ex-husband. The ex-husband was very angry and had insisted on returning a child: Crimea. Ukraine began to harboring grudges against her ex-husband, and dreams of someday marrying into the NATO family, which in turn open up a path to her ex-husband's doorstep. But the truth is that the village chief didn't really want to marry Ukraine into the family. After all, she was high-maintenance and loved to pocket his money (corruption). His many wives also didn't want Ukraine to join family, but in front of Ukraine, they were all smiles and encouraging her to join. The village chief just wanted to use her like a pawn to bully her ex-husband. After 8 years of constant abuse, her two children (Donetsk and Luhansk) were crying and imploring for help from their father. The village chief was always on the sidelines in the ex-husband and wife quarrel, occasionally sending in expired items (ammunition) from time to time. Because of that, Ukraine thought she had someone to support her, and became even more presumptuous towards her ex-husband. The ex-husband could bear it no longer, took another glance at the poor treatment of the children, and rushed over in defense of his two children, so the ex husband and wife started fighting. Now, the village chief and his many wives are cheering on Ukraine from the sidelines, yet none of them are willing to lift an actual finger and partake in the fighting themselves. Ukraine is unlikely to marry into the NATO family, because that would mean that the village chief and his many wives would be obliged to join the fight against the ex-husband. ... Hopefully this analogy puts the Russo-Ukraine conflict into perspective and on a more relatable level.
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  7949.  @elanor2123  "神州 Shenzhou Those names aren't fit at all, please refrain the use of such words to refer anything." Those names clearly fit the analogy. USA is clearly dictating to NATO what to do, just look at Joe Biden's threatening to cut off Nord Stream 2 pipeline supplying Russian gas to Germany. It's typical of the U.S.A to sacrifice Germany's interests just to promote their own U.S interest of selling LNG to Germany. You said: "the countries in Nato all have the same interest, which is countering the influences of Russia, formerly the Soviet Union(USSR)." NATO was formed in response to the Soviet Union's rising military might, but ever since the USSR dissolved in 1990s, NATO no longer serves any interest, except serving the U.S hegemonic interest. You said: "Regarding ur second paragraph, it doesn't make sense, does it?" Again, why can't you point to me what horrible things Russia did to Ukraine? Ukraine was poor before, but under the Soviet Union, Ukraine had remarkable industrialization. In 1950 industrial gross output had already surpassed 1940-levels. In the prewar years, 15.9 percent of the Soviet budget went to Ukraine, in 1950, during the Fourth Five-Year Plan this had increased to 19.3 percent. The workforce had increased from 1.2 million in 1945 to 2.9 million in 1955; an increase of 33.2 percent over the 1940-level. The result of this remarkable growth was that by 1955 Ukraine was producing 2.2 times more than in 1940, and the republic had become one of the leading producers of certain commodities in Europe. Ukraine was the largest per-capita producer in Europe of pig iron and sugar, and the second-largest per-capita producer of steel and of iron ore, and was the third largest per-capita producer of coal in Europe. And it was all achieved while Ukraine was part of the Soviet Union. You said: "Communism has never yielded a good result in terms of economy in Europe." Are you certain about this statement? Before 1912, Russia was arguably the poorest country in Europe at that time, full of peasants who made up 80 percent of the population and whose traditional household economies were extremely inefficient compared to agriculture in Western Europe or the United States. Only about 15 percent of the population lived in towns, and fewer than 10 percent worked in industry. But after the 1912 Communist Revolution by the Bolsheviks, the new Soviet Union rapidly grew to become arguably the strongest country in Europe both militarily as well as economically. In fact, the Soviet Union was the world's 2nd largest economy from 1960 to 1985, only just behind the United States at number one, so what are you talking about? The Soviet Union was the most successful economically out of all countries in Europe during its heyday. Source: Wikipedia: List of countries by largest historical GDP (Soviet Union was world's 2nd largest economy from 1960 to 1985)
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  7966.  @bajaxbajax910  Why is it humans have discovered the ability to defy nature, and to keep food fresher for longer periods? Why is it humans have evolved beyond animalistic instincts? We laugh when someone trips and falls or makes a funny mistake, or cry and mourn when our people die (sometimes we cry over the prey we killed) whereas animals don't laugh or cry? Agreed with you that creatures find places that are suitable to their propagation. Therefore, it can be said that Marxism hasn't thrived in human societies yet, because humans mindset haven't yet evolved to the stage where it is suitable for Marxism to thrive. Because we are still afflicted by human vice that prevents Marxism from being successful As for human vice, why is it that some people do charity work or become vegetarians, or refuse to steal, even when no one is looking? Even when the benefits to themselves are minimal? Why is it some people are "saints" that exhibit the best virtues of humanity? If 1 person can be born and raised like that, then why not 10 more, or 100 more, or the entire human population? I mean, if you go back in time to the time of our prehistoric ancestors, and try to introduce modern virtues like "not being racist" or "treating women equally as men" how will their primitive societies react to that? It just shows that primitive tribes aren't "ready" yet for modern thinking, likewise, our mindsets today aren't ready to embrace far-futuristic thinking yet. You are taking about communist nations with our current mindset (which is mostly about greed, selfishness, etc). But what if communism was applied to a group of people with "enlightened" thinking from the future, who are willing to give its principles a shot? Communism/Marxism may not survive in today's modern thinking, but there's no guarantee that it won't in the future.
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  7985.  @ZeldaZiplock  1) Sparrows ate both grain and insects and were considered pests since they couldn't be controlled by Chinese farmers unlike ducks and chickens. The point is that sparrows aren't the only insect-eating animals around, our rice fields had insect-eating frogs and fishes. How can you just blame people starving to death as the cause of Chairman Mao like that? 2. So the local governments lied about the abundance of crop harvests to Chairman Mao that's why Mao thought there was sufficient grain to export to the Soviet Union to repay them for imports of Soviet agricultural machinery, then how's it Mao's fault? The problems came from bottom up (the inflation of harvests) not from the top down, how do you expect Chairman Mao to pierce through the lies formed by local governments? An underwater reef? That's an unforeseen obstacle under the water, if the watcher in the crow's nest (ship's look-out tower) notices visible rocks as an incoming hazard to the ship, but chooses to lie to the captain about the obstacle, then if the ship crashes on the rocks, how's it the captain's fault? 3) So China's modern steel production is thanks to our first baby steps, the backyard furnaces, granting Chinese farmers metallurgical experience. The Great Leap Forward represents PRC's transition from a dirt-poor agricultural country to an industrial country. And the backyard furnaces did not operate year-around, and did not disrupt farm harvests, but the farmers gained valuable metallurgy experience that will served them well later when Deng introduced his economic reforms in late 1970s. The Great Leap Forward experienced success in many areas. By 1958, agricultural production almost doubled from 1949 (108 million tons to 185 million tons), coal production quadrupled to 123 million tons, and steel production grew from 100,000 tons to 5.3 million tons. And about putting farmers to work in the steel furnaces, where else is China going to get workers from? China was 90% agricultural country and we want to transition into an industrial country, so where are our workers going to come from, if not from the farmers?
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  8052.  @andrenogueira5058  History is littered with numerous examples of authoritarian governments for the past 1000-2000 years, many of whom were stable and long-lived. Here are examples of authoritarian countries and the total duration of their reign: Achaemenid Empire (220 years), Ahom Dynasty (610 years), Akkadian Empire (180 years), Armenian Empire (618 years), Babylonian Empire (300 years), Bruneian Empire (520 years), Byzantine Empire (1123 years), Carthaginian Empire (668 years), Crimean Khanate (342 years), Dutch Empire (407 years), Egyptian Empire (473 years) and so many more! Source: Wikipedia: List of Empires Whereas modern Western Liberal Democracy only has a history of 100-200 years and is not guaranteed to be successful in the future. Already we are witnessing the decline of Western democratic institutions since their governments are unable to deliver what the ordinary people want. You said: "Two examples illustrate this perfectly: Russia and China." Before the 1917 communist revolution, Russia was arguably the poorest country in Europe at that time, with agriculture providing the livelihood for 80% of the population and was dominated by peasants, whose traditional household economies were extremely inefficient compared to agriculture in Western Europe or the United States. Only about 15% of the population lived in towns, and fewer than 10% worked in industry. Russia was also technologically backward and lagged far behind advanced capitalist countries like Great Britain and Germany. But after the 1917 Bolshevik revolution, the new Soviet Union rapidly grew to become arguably the strongest country in Europe at that time, both economically as well as militarily (that's why NATO was formed in response to rising Soviet Union might). The Soviet Union was the world's 2nd largest economy from 1960 to 1985, and the Soviets made various contributions to science and technology during its hey day. Such an ideology that transformed pre-1917 Russia from arguably Europe's poorest country into its strongest as the Soviet Union. Yet you just refuse to learn from the Soviet Union's success story? Same thing goes with China. Previously, China was once a dirt-poor, war-torn, starving country in the past, but fast forward till today, and China has since transformed into the world's 2nd largest economy, the world's factory (i.e Made-in-China products) having the world's 2nd largest R&D spending, protected by the world's largest land army, the People's Liberation Army, funded by the world's 2nd largest military expenditure. And it's all been achieved under communist party leadership, despite Western anti-communist propaganda constantly denouncing China's success all along. You said: "As for Ukraine and Russia, don't be fool and even more so, don't try to fool others." I give evidence to support my claims, all you do is talk your mouth off without proof. The 2014 coup d'etat wasn't even peaceful, did you see what Ukrainians did in Odessa where they set fire to the Trade Union House and many people were killed by the fumes, burnt or fell to their death trying to escape from the burning building. You said: "It was the Ukrainian people ultimately deciding and that's far more valuable than any other consideration. The Crimea referendum is a fraud and is not to be taken serious." So when the Ukrainians decide, it is democratic, but when the Crimean Referendum revealed that 97% of Crimeans voted to join the Russian Federation, suddenly that's not? Why the double standards here?
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  8095.  @barrywhite1770  Again, what do you mean that democracies are always more stable in the long run? If we look back in history by 1000-2000 years, we can see that most successful human civilizations are overwhelmingly authoritarian forms of government. Here are some examples of historical authoritarian governments and the duration of their rule. -Achaemenid Empire (220 years) -Akkadian Empire (180 years) -Aztec Empire (93 years) -Babylonian Empire (300 years) -British Empire (394 years) -Byzantine Empire (1123 years) -Carthaginian Empire (668 years) -Dutch Empire (407 years) -Egyptian Empire (473 years) -French colonial empire (446 years) .... Source: Wikipedia: List of empires On the other hand, Western democracy only has a history of around 100-200 years, so already it's not proven that democracies are always more stable in the long term, do you actually have any examples to illustrate your point? You said: "What I meant by stability, though, is the tendency for authoritarian governments to make mistakes that severely impact the citizens and result in violent overthrows of the government." That does happen throughout history, but if we look at my above examples, many authoritarian empires lasted at some 100-200 years or more. Some empires are short-lived, but many others are long-lived, so it doesn't prove that democracies are always more stable in the long run compared to other forms of governments. This is what our history is telling us, that for 1000-2000 years, authoritarian forms of government were more stable and long-lived than the 100-200 years of Western democracy. You said: "The west has a bottom up economy and has produced more innovation and excess than any economy in human history." I disagree with your claim that the Western democracies have produced more innovation than any economy in human history. Chinese have previously invented the Four Great Inventions (四大发明) which have greatly influenced the world through their respective areas. Paper and Printing made the transcribing and transmission of knowledge easier. The Compass made navigation easier, and dangerous journeys safer and more reliable. And Gunpowder has changed the way modern wars are fought. So clearly authoritarian forms of government were capable of innovation as well.
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  8115. +In Friends We Trust Republic of China published the 11-Dash Line back in 1947 and back then, USA approved of China's claim and Philippines did not object to China's claim. In 1958, Vietnamese PM Phạm Văn Đồng had formally accepted that the Paracel and Spratly islands were historically Chinese, in a diplomatic letter he sent to Chinese Premier Zhou Enlai. In 1958, the People's Republic of China issued a declaration defining its territorial waters which encompassed the Spratly and Paracel Islands. North Vietnam's prime minister, Pham Van Dong, sent a diplomatic note to Zhou Enlai, stating that "The Government of the Democratic Republic of Vietnam respects this decision." The diplomatic note was written on September 14 and was publicized on Nhan Dan newspaper(Vietnam) on September 22, 1958. _1958 diplomatic note from Phạm Văn Đồng to Zhou Enlai._Source: wikipedia.org/wiki/File:1958_diplomatic_note_from_phamvandong_to_zhouenlai.jpg But in that same year, Vietnam suddenly change its mind, and broke its agreement and started contesting China for those territory. Why is Vietnam politician suddenly allowed to change his mind and ignore previous agreements? You're saying that China has already militarized Scarborough Shoal? As far as I know, Scarborough Shoal is NOT an island and its area is mostly submerged underwater. The shoal's highest point, South Rock, is a mere 1.8 m above sea-level at high tide, which means the highest point of Scarborough Shoal is only about the height of a tall man (1.8 m) and that's during high tide! So you're calling that an Island? How is it possible that China has already militarized Scarborough Shoal? Can you show pictures of Chinese "bases" in Scarborough Shoal to support your claims? Maybe the government built a super secret, high tech, underwater submarine base!
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  8119.  @MarkYeung1  "The HK government must bear some responsibility of the unrest." The Hong Kong Extradition Bill was meant to cover up the legal loophole of someone committing a crime elsewhere and then escaping to Hong Kong to evade extradition. By bearing responsibility, are you saying that Hong Kong government is wrong for trying to seek justice for the poor pregnant girl who was murdered in Taiwan by her boyfriend? Also earlier you clearly blamed mainland China as the cause of the riots (you said: "China has cost (I think you meant "caused") the riots in Hong Kong by imposing the extradition agreement." then how is mainland China to blame? You said: "The unpopularity of Hong Kong government is well know (ask Cyrus)." Why should I ask an American living in Canada about the unpopularity of Hong Kong government? You said: "Not surprisingly Carrie Lam didn't seek for a second term." Previously, Carrie Lam had won the three-way 2017 Chief Executive election garnering 777 out of 1200 votes, and Beijing did not cast any votes in Hong Kong's election. Since she's not seeking a second term, this implies she's not a Beijing puppet after all, and that Beijing did not force her to remain in power as a so-called puppet. You said: "神州 Shenzhou Violence in protest is wrong and should be punished. But if a government cannot solve its extradition issues, it's your own fault." How is it my own fault? Do the Hong Kong rioters even understand what the extradition bill is for? Have they read its contents and understood them before protesting? And why is it after the bill was scrapped, the protests and riots in Hong Kong still continued?
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  8135. You act like India conducts itself transparently in the first place. What about Indian Army sending troops across the border to obstruct road construction efforts at Doklam? Doklam lies on the China-Bhutan border, not the India-China border, so it should be an bilateral issue between China and Bhutan, isn't it? When did China disregard India's claim on Jammu and Kashmir? Chinese workers are only building infrastructure in Kashmir, and China is not claiming that territory as part of China. Once the construction is complete, Chinese workers will vacate the lands and leave it for whomever wants possession of those territory. So how is China disregarding Jammu and Kashmir? In China's case for example, India does business with Taiwan, but does China complain about India doing business with Taiwan? What has South China Sea got to do with India then? India does not claim territory from South China Sea, and neither does Japan, or USA for that matter, so what has SCS issue got to do with those countries at all here? In fact, India doesn't claim Indian Ocean as part of its territory, so why can't Chinese ships and submarines patrol the Indian Ocean? China has 5000 years of history, and is among the world's oldest 'continuous' civilizations still alive today, whereas other great civilizations like Mesopotamia, Rome and Egypt have long since faded to history. China has long history of warfare and military manuals like Sun Zi's The Art of War 孙子兵法 have been written thousands of years ago, but still being taught today in modern military academies. Why is mechanized warfare unfeasible in mountainous region, simply because the video above says so? China has conducted several live-fire exercise and military drills in Tibet, making use of light tanks like VT5 light combat tank. In fact, it is only after the Tibet live-fire exercise, did Indian army realize that it does not have light tanks of its own for combat in mountainous terrain. For mountainous combat scenarios, China also have access to aerial units like our very own combat UAVs, like CaiHong-5, which has been compared to the US's Reaper drone, and allows China to conduct surveillance and light combat operations along Himalayas. China also have world's longest range ICBM, DF-41, with 13,000 to 15,000 km range, allowing it to literally fly over the Himalayan mountain range. China also have anti-satellite missiles that can take out Indian military satellites in space, which will hamper its coordination on the ground and put Indian army at a disadvantage. I haven't even said anything about Pakistan, except for the fact that China does business with them. If Indians want to continue to divide Asia, by fighting with Pakistan all the time, then how is Asia going to become strong again? By fighting amongst themselves? China is helping to stabilize Pakistan government and provide jobs for its people through economic corridor project and by developing Gwadar port. Pakistan is India's brother state, sharing the same history (Mughal rule, British rule, etc) right up the British India's partitioning in 1947, so why can't Pakistan claim Jammu and Kashmir region as part of its territory? From what I know, most of the people living in J & K are Muslims too.
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  8164.  @auroragb  And Taiwan had been under authoritarian single-party Kuomintang rule for more than half its life! For decades, the KMT ruled Taiwan with an iron fist and KMT leader Chiang kai-shek was a dictator who jailed and executed many dissidents and political rivals (whether real or perceived) in a period known as White Terror (白色恐怖) and he imposed Martial Law on Taiwan for more than 38 years, which was qualified as "the longest imposition of martial law by a regime anywhere in the world" at that time. But under authoritarian single-party KMT rule, Taiwan flourished and prospered in what's known as Taiwan Miracle (台湾奇迹) Between 1952-1982, Taiwan's economic growth was on average 8.7%, and between 1983-1986 at 6.9%. Taiwan's GDP grew by 360% between 1965-1986 and the percentage of global exports was over 2% in 1986, over other recently industrialized countries, and the global industrial production output grew a further 680% between 1965-1986. All this occurred under authoritarian single party KMT rule of Taiwan. Source: Wikipedia: Taiwan Miracle Only when democracy was introduced in 1990s (because USA threatened to cut off sales of weapons to Taiwan if KMT did not introduce political reforms) did Taiwan's economic growth became more modest. Today, Taiwan's economy is in a slump, wages are stagnant, cost of living is rising, and Taiwan graduates are seeking job opportunities in the mainland or in Singapore. So isn't this a proof that Taiwan actually prospered under authoritarian KMT rule and suffered under democracy? Why fix something that wasn't broken? Because Westerners say so?
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  8165.  @auroragb  Its true that Article 45 is for 50 years, but until then, the CCP did not breach any laws in it. And your "halfway point" clearly does not exist within Article 45, so who are you to just make up an "imaginary halfway point" in Article 45 and then blame the CCP for violating this imaginary time limit made up by yourself? You have consistently failed to refute this point, and you are constantly trying to make up excuses which have all been shot down by facts. Since when does Singapore allow public protests? When is the last time Singapore had a protest you tell me? In 2008, a group of 20 people turned up at Parliament House to protest against the escalating cost of living in Singapore and the event was organised by the SDP and included their members. 18 were arrested when they refused to disperse as ordered by the police. All 20 were subsequently charged under Section 5(4)b Chapter 184 of the Miscellaneous Offences (Public and Nuisance) Act. On 12 January 2009, 2 Singaporeans staged a protest outside the Ministry of Manpower (MOM) building to voice their disapproval over the treatment of two Myanmar nationals who had their work permits cancelled. The two activists were arrested but released on bail later. Seriously, how much do you even know about Singapore's authoritarian laws? Singapore's political environment is stifling and citizens continued in 2016 to face severe restrictions on their basic rights to freedom of expression, association, and peaceful assembly. You can't even refute this simple fact.
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  8166.  @auroragb  Literacy rate being equated with competence only applies to democracies, because like you said, it is the ordinary people that vote in their leaders, so why do you want illiterate people participating in political elections that will affect your country's future? Or those undesirable peoples like beggars, drug addicts, drunkards, deadbeats, dissidents, and so on? What makes you think the lower rung of society will be able to make important decisions regarding the country's future? India's illiteracy rate is because of its massive population. In the past, China was once like India, a dirt-poor country with enormous population, suffering from high birth rates, high child malnutrition, high child mortality, high illiteracy rates and other population problems. Why allow families to raise multiple kids, only for them to starve to death, to succumb to diseases in childhood because of not enough food, not enough hospitals and not enough schools to send them to? Instead, why not focus all available resources into raising a single, healthy kid into adulthood and get him into a good school? That's why China introduced the One-Child Policy and according to World Bank, China's poverty rate fell from 88% in 1981 to a mere 0.7% in 2015. According to UNESCO, adult literacy rate of China increased from 65.5% in 1982 to a whopping 96.4% in 2015 growing at an average annual rate of 10.39%. This is impressive feat considering that China is world's most populous country, yet attaining 0.7% poverty and 96.4% literacy. Source: Wikipedia: Poverty in China Look at India today and its suffering from population problems like high birth rate, high child malnutrition, high child mortality, low literacy, etc, which were problems that China once suffered from. So why do you still think China should be democracy then? We've been successful following authoritarian rule unlike India and just having 96.4% literacy rate is not a reason to suddenly change to democracy.
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  8168.  @auroragb  Exactly, democracy is inefficient like you say. Why let the whole population rule, when a small number will suffice in the government? And once again, my question never said "dissolve people" you came up with the ridiculous notion yourself here because you can't admit that your countries need governments to function. Why not let the people who know how to govern, govern like I said? History has proven that much of human civilization follows some sort of authoritarian or oligarchic political systems. Political power was not concentrated in the hands of many, instead it was concentrated in the hands of the few elites, such as the nobles (aristocracy), or priests (theocracy) or kings and emperors (monarchy) Such authoritarian/oligarchic systems were prevalent because they were stable, and simply because they worked. The elites were often well educated and politically savvy, often capable of making political decisions, whereas the ignorant masses were kept well away from politics. Whereas frankly speaking, democracy has a long history of failure. Proto-democracies like Athenian democracy failed, Spartan democracy failed, and even Republic of Rome eventually failed. In the ancient world, Democracy was never in fact, popular outside of Greece at all, and after Rome fell, many of the individual states began to assume authoritarian rule under monarchy once again. Modern Western democracy is different but it only has 100-200 years of history to its name, so that's certainly not a guarantee for it to be successful in future. Why then should China adopt Western democracy, simply because Westerners think it is the best political system?
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  8191. @nationalghost Taiwan had been ruled by authoritarian, single-party KMT rule for more than half its life! For decades, the KMT ruled Taiwan with an iron fist, and Chiang kai-Shek was a dictator responsible for jailing and executing his political rivals in White Terror and imposed martial law on Taiwan for more than 38 years. Yet, it was under authoritarian single-party KMT rule, that Taiwan actually flourished and modernized, resulting in the Taiwan Miracle (台湾奇迹) Between 1952 and 1982, Taiwan's economic growth was on average 8.7%, and between 1983 and 1986 at 6.9% and Taiwan's GDP grew by 360% between 1965 and 1986. The percentage of global exports was over 2% in 1986, over other recently industrialized countries, and the global industrial production output grew a further 680% between 1965 and 1986. And it was all achieved under authoritarian single-party KMT. Only when democracy was introduced to Taiwan (because the USA threatened to cut off sales of weapons to Taiwan, if KMT did not implement political reforms) did Taiwan's economic growth became more modest in 1990s. Today, Taiwan's economy is in a slump, wages are stagnant, the cost of living is rising, and many Taiwan graduates are unable to find jobs, so many choose to seek employment opportunities overseas, such as in mainland China or in Singapore. So doesn't this show that democracy is not the way to go for Taiwan? Taiwan was flourishing under KMT single-party rule, so why fix something that's not broken? Because Westerners say so?
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  8200.  @pierremarel  You said: "You will agree with me that even the western countries have abandoned the strategy of land acquisitions. Invasions bring bad publicity nowadays." Old style Colonialism has given way to neo-Colonialism. Outright invasion is frowned upon, so the United States goes through more subtle ways through economic, cultural and political imperialism. And while there's no explicit colonization process, many former colonies still suffer from the "colonial mentality" where they worship everything Anglo-Saxon and make policies in the interest of their former colonial masters. "That does not mean that China (or the CCP as long as it sustains its control over China) will refrain from imposing his ways to smaller tributary countries and, if required, by the use of force." The tributary system used by ancient China is different from the Western definition, and is often misunderstood. In the Chinese system, the tributaries are expected to acknowledge China's predominant role, through sending tributes (often of a taxing nature, including food, resources, slaves, etc) to China and in exchange, China sends gifts to tributaries that is equal in value (if not more valuable), such as silk, tea, porcelain, etc. The tributary states are often granted near complete autonomy, as well as trading rights and military assistance by the Imperial Chinese Army, in case of invasion by other countries. Oftentimes, the tributaries stand to gain much from such a system. But the tributary system is no more, and President Xi Jinping has made it clear that China political system is not for export. “We will not import other countries’ models, and will not export the China model,” President Xi Jinping told a forum for foreign political groups. “We will provide more opportunities for the world through our development,” he said. Whereas the United States is still trying to export its own brand of democracy to other countries.
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  8250.  @thethoth1755  You said: "The overwhelming evidence that China has covered up all the evidence ,refused to cooperate with the world health organization’s investigation and now threatening anyone who points a finger , is clearly the guilty party." How did China covered up all the evidence? China was the first to inform the World Health Organization of a "mysterious pneumonia-like illness" on 31st Dec 2019. By 5th Jan 2020, China had isolated and identified the novel coronavirus strain (out of millions) in record time. By 12th Jan 2020, China had sequenced the coronavirus genome and shared the vital information with the WHO. So perhaps could you explain how did China cover up all the evidence? Because China's behavior appears to be the complete opposite of what you described. Next you said China refused to cooperate with the WHO's investigation, but a WHO investigation team touched down in Wuhan on Jan 2020 to investigate Wuhan Huanan Seafood Market, and the Wuhan Institute of Virology. Their investigations revealed that the coronavirus did not originate in the seafood market, it was imported in from elsewhere, and the team has all but dismissed the possibility of a lab-leak theory as "highly improbable". So how did China refuse to cooperate with the WHO investigation? In fact, China is the only country who have undergone WHO investigation regarding the coronavirus origins, no other country has done so. Lastly, you said China is now threatening anyone who points a finger, but since the WHO investigation team's results in Wuhan were inconclusive, then why not other countries open their labs to investigations that's all? China is suggesting that the WHO pursue other leads that's all, how does that automatically make China the guilty party?
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  8265. Michael S. People who are foreigners will tend to remain foreigners when they themselves refuse to assimilate into their host country. For example, as a foreigner yourself in America, perhaps do Americans perceive you as one of their own? Do you call Americans your own countrymen, perhaps just like you regard America as your home? Its different just surviving day-to-day in a country, and to actually live in a country. These guys aren't perfect yes, and my own views differ greatly from theirs indeed. Its because while growing up in China in 1980s, my family was poor, despite both my parents being working engineers. In the 90s, our family shifted into an apartment. By early 2000s, we could afford our first computer, and then by 2010s every one of our family had a smartphone of our own. It just goes to show that where you grew up greatly influences your viewpoint, just like you have sharing some of your own personal experience growing up in America as well here. But to these guys, it appears China is just a country for them to voice their complains, instead of calling it their homeland. I agree that a better future only happens if we work together on what can be improved. Its true that China has pollution, corruption, energy needs, etc, but a strong firm government is needed to implement change. For example, China built the world's largest hydroelectric power station, Three Gorges Dam to help supply China with renewable green energy to power our growth. China is still heavily coal-dependent, but is taking steps to ban fossil fuel powerplants and switch to green energy. And corruption is rampant in our government, but President Xi is at least conducting corruption crackdown campaign and doing something about it.
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  8266. Michael S. I personally believe, that if you want to fit into a new culture, you should start by seeing yourself as one of the local people. Like supposedly if I want to fit in America, I would think of what Americans want, what are American people's dreams and aspirations, what are their fears and so on. Once you start seeing yourself as a local, then the locals should start seeing you as them. But if you continually see yourself as a foreigner, then locals will also see you as a foreigner. Agreed that family finances affect your viewpoint and overall outlook. People born without having to worry about food, or safety and security (like in America for example) will have different view, from someone who grew up worrying about the next meal. China is still not as well off as America, so people coming to China will find that things are not to their standards. About positivity, its a good idea to balance both positivity and negativity in videos, so its kinda sad that people like laowhy and serpentza choose to post more negative videos than positive ones (especially the latest ones). I don't mind watching negative videos about China (China is not perfect after all) but if those guys continually post negative video after negative video, then it starts to get a little suspicious after a while. There are actually many good things about China, but these people seem to concentrate only the negatives. Food poisoning, pollution, censorship, corruption, I'm sure many people heard these before, but they keep on rehashing the same stuff in each episode. So many Chinese people eat the food here in China, and many people don't suffer poisoning. Maybe some people will get food poisoning because of poor body or something, but otherwise millions of Chinese survive (and enjoy) eating our food.
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  8297.  @bugsygoo  "神州 Shenzhou Start off by blaming the victim. Nice." How am I blaming the victim? I'm asking for your evidence that the vice premier sexually assaulted Peng Shuai, because Peng Shuai wrote in an email that the allegations of sexual assault aren't true. Then where's the allegations of sexual assault? If you can't even establish a basis for the claim of sexual assault, then how do we even proceed from here? "If the CCP has nothing to hide, why are they blocking all mention of her on the Chinese internet?" Who says that she's blocked on Chinese Internet? I can find pages of Peng Shuai 彭帅 on Baidu, go ahead and search on Baidu for Peng Shuai and why do you claim all mention of her is blocked on the Chinese internet? "If they can make Jack MA disappear for a few months and then come back all contrite, imagine what they can do to a woman with no power?" Jack Ma was also similarly keeping a low profile and had avoiding the public eye, yet anti-China trolls continued to demand "Where's Jack Ma?" and it turns out Jack Ma was a on a holiday cruise in the Balearic waters. So why is it inconceivable to you that Peng Shuai want's to keep a low profile after her previous relation with a much older man has been revealed? "And what's the motive of the WTA? They stand to lose hundreds of millions." It's possible that WTA want's to politicize the issue in order to malign China. The 2022 Beijing Olympics are coming soon, and WTA is trying to blow the matter up in order to use as "ammunition" to get more countries to potentially boycott the Beijing games.
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  8431.  Giovanni Sanchez  For the past couple of hundred years, yes. Britain was colonial superpower during 19th century but was eventually overtaken by USA in 20th century. But prior to that, China (and also India) had been economic superpower for 1800 years and we made up 25% of the world's GDP share, according to world leading British economist, Angus Maddison. Source: Global distribution of GDP among China, India, Western Europe, USA, Middle East from 1 AD to 2003 AD wikipedia.org/wiki/File:1_AD_to_2003_AD_Historical_Trends_in_global_distribution_of_GDP_China_India_Western_Europe_USA_Middle_East.png And judging from the above trend, it looks as though China is all set to dominate the 21st century. Ancient Chinese nobility wore luxurious silk clothing since 4th millennium BCE, while the rest of the world wore mostly loincloths and "bedsheets" called togas. Silk was much prized by the rest of the world, so much that a lucrative trade route had been set up and named in honor of the precious material. Along the Silk Road, flowed Chinese luxury goods like silk, tea, paper, gunpowder, porcelain (fine china) which were in great demand throughout the ancient world. Take Han Chinese traditional clothing Hanfu (汉服) for example and it has 5,000 years of history and even the Japanese Kimono and Korean Hanbok clothing have their origins in Chinese Hanfu. Video: Beautiful Traditional Costume: Han Chinese Clothing (Hanfu) youtu.be/T6CucJxiWec?t=5 But what makes you Chinese culture is destroyed? Have you actually been to China and witness Chinese culture for yourself?
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  8478.  @OlJackBurton  You literally said that "If people want to ruin their own lives they should be allowed to." then you're advocating for kids to stray away and get hooked on addictive activities like drugs, gambling, drinking alcohol at such a young age. That's what's meant by "ruining their lives" isn't it? "Where else in the world is playing video games (or watching TV or using the Internet, social media, etc.) illegal?" In 2011, South Korea instituted a law that blocked video game access from midnight until 6 am for players under the age of 16 in an effort to curb adolescent gaming addiction. You're acting like China is the only country in the world to do implement video game restriction for minors? "And why would they gamble and steal digital money, since there is hardly any cash in China?" There's this kid who stole ¥2,000 from his grandmother's wallet to buy equipment for his mobile phone game. "Their parent's money is for them anyway." For them to spend on real things, like buying a house, getting married, etc, not for spending their parents savings on in-game mobile phone purchases. "Unless the government doesn't allow parents to spend their money and time how they wish with their kids." Playing mobile phone games is not the same as parents spending time with their kids. There's so many other ways that parents can spend time with their kids, including picnics, sports, cycling, dancing, singing, etc, yet you're acting as though video games is the only way that parents get to spend time with their kids? "Why would they hate their parents? China is supposed to be a Confician country where filial piety is the natural rule. You're projecting." You literally just projected China as entirely Confucian yourself, and imply that every child observes filial piety, but obviously this is not the case in all China, and there exists unfilial kids.
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  8504.  @12time12  "神州 Shenzhou if that’s the case your country wouldn’t rely on intellectual property theft from Europe and the USA to get anywhere." In the past, the United States relied on Intellectual Property from the United Kingdom. According to an article in the The Boston Globe entitled: A nation of outlaws, a hundred years ago, it was U.S that stole U.K intellectual property. Excepts: Taking a page from the British, who had pioneered many ingenious methods of adulteration a generation or two earlier, American manufacturers, distributors, and vendors of food began tampering with their products en masse -- bulking out supplies with cheap filler, using dangerous additives to mask spoilage or to give foodstuffs a more appealing color. ... _ In the literary realm, for most of the 19th century the United States remained an outlaw in the world of international copyright. The nation's publishers merrily pirated books without permission, and without paying the authors or original publishers a dime. When Dickens published a scathing account of his visit, "American Notes for General Circulation," it was, appropriately enough, immediately pirated in the United States. In one industry after another, 19th-century American producers churned out counterfeit products in remarkable quantities, slapping fake labels on locally made knockoffs of foreign ales, wines, gloves, and thread. As one expose at the time put it: "We have 'Paris hats' made in New York, 'London Gin' and 'London Porter' that never was in a ship's hold, 'Superfine French paper' made in Massachusetts."_
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  8518. How is Taiwan a successful example of democracy? Taiwan had been ruled by authoritarian single-party Kuomintang for more than half its life! For decades, the KMT ruled Taiwan with iron fist and KMT leader Chiang kai-shek jailed and executed his dissidents and political rivals (whether real or perceived) in a period known as White Terror (白色恐怖) and he imposed martial law (台湾省戒严令) on Taiwan for more than 38 years, which was qualified as "the longest imposition of martial law by a regime anywhere in the world" at that time. But under authoritarian single-party KMT rule, Taiwan flourished and rapidly modernized in what's known as Taiwan Miracle (台湾奇迹). Between 1952 and 1982, Taiwan's economic growth was on average 8.7%, and between 1983 and 1986 at 6.9%. Taiwan's GDP grew by 360% between 1965 and 1986 and the percentage of global exports was over 2% in 1986, over other recently industrialized countries, and the global industrial production output grew a further 680% between 1965 and 1986. And it had been achieved under authoritarian single party KMT rule. Only when democracy was introduced (because the USA threaten to ban weapon sales to Taiwan if KMT did not introduce political reforms) did Taiwan's economic growth became more modest in 1990s. Today, Taiwan's economy is in a slump, wages are stagnant, cost of living is high, and Taiwan graduates are unable to find work at home, so many seek employment opportunities overseas, in the mainland or in places like Singapore.
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  8532.  @fukushimaisrevelation2817  As for India, you boasted about India looking at potentially 2 billion people in a couple of decades, but you've repeatedly mentioned about the 5th Industrial Revolution about "robots making robots" then what good does a huge population play when the industrial capacity is fueled by robotics, not manpower? In fact, China is currently the world's largest market for automation and this enables China to retain industrial competitiveness through robotics. China is already home to Asia's first fully automated port in Qingdao, that's not only more efficient but also able to operate 24 hours, even at night in complete darkness loading and unloading ships. You've also boasted that India is perhaps better situated to dominate the Indian Ocean and its region compared to China, but the Indian Ocean is a bigger territory than the South China Sea, so how is India able to dominate the ocean? China's People's Liberation Army (PLA) Navy is arguably the largest navy in the world by number of ships compared to the Indian Navy, and China patrols the smaller South China Sea compared India having to patrol the bigger Indian Ocean. And what mainland aggression in Hong Kong are you talking about? The 2019 Hong Kong riots were destroying Hong Kong businesses and spooking investors, it's actually thanks to mainland China that order has since been restored to Hong Kong, so that the businesses can recover, how's that aggression? America has network of rivers but transportation of goods is still slow. Whereas China literally has the world's largest high-speed railway network, more than the rest of the world combined, connecting our cities together and allowing quick commutation and transport of goods. Here's a List of countries by high speed rail length. List of countries by High Speed Rail in 2019 1. China (38,207 km) 2. Spain (5,525 km) 3. France (3,870 km) 4. Germany (3,596 km) 5. Japan (3,422 km) 6. Russia (2,026 km) 7. United Kingdom (1,997 km) 8. Italy (1,697 km) ...
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  8534. @Jedi Of Math 369 Chairman Mao did not murder those people, they starved to death because of the Great Chinese Famine, caused by bad weather conditions like floods and drought, causing destruction of crops and resulted in poor harvest and mass starvation. Even Mao Zedong couldn't control the weather isn't it? And even if he somehow could, he would have wished for fair weather and bountiful harvests, because he wants to make China strong enough to resist foreign imperialism. In fact, under Mao Zedong, China nearly doubled in population from 540 million in 1949 to 969 million in 1979. Life expectancy at birth under Mao nearly doubled from 35–40 years in 1949 to 65.5 years in 1980, and is among the most rapid sustained increases in documented global history (Banister and Preston 1981; Ashton et al. 1984; Coale1984; Jamison 1984; Banister 1987; Ravallion 1997; Banister and Hill 2004). China's infant mortality was halved, and illiteracy rates were halved under Mao. By 1959, illiteracy rates among youth and adults (ages twelve to 40) had fallen from 80% to 43%. China’s literacy success has been described as “perhaps the single greatest educational effort in human history” (Peterson, 1997). Who are you to ascertain whether the USA won the space race? The Soviet Union invented and launched the world's first artificial satellite, Sputnik-1 and the first man in space was Soviet cosmonaut Yuri Gagarin. And who said USA got to the Moon first? The first human-made object to touch the Moon was the Soviet Union's Luna 2, on 13 September 1959, so technically speaking, the Soviets got to the Moon first.
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  8539.  @ewchi-m4n012  Taiwan had been under authoritarian single-party KMT rule for more than half its life. For decades the KMT ruled Taiwan with iron fist and Chiang kai-shek was a dictator who jailed and executed dissidents and political rivals (whether real or perceived) in a period known as White Terror (白色恐怖) and imposed martial law on Taiwan for more than 38 years, which was qualified as "the longest imposition of martial law by a regime anywhere in the world" at that time. Source: Wikipedia: White Terror (Taiwan) But under authoritarian single-party KMT rule, Taiwan actually flourished and prospered, in what's known as the Taiwan Miracle (台湾奇迹). Between 1952 – 1982, Taiwan's economic growth was on average 8.7%, and between 1983 – 1986 at 6.9%. Taiwan GDP grew by 360% between 1965 – 1986. The percentage of global exports was over 2% in 1986, over other recently industrialized countries, and the global industrial production output grew a further 680% between 1965 – 1986. And its all been achieved under KMT leadership. Source: Wikipedia: Taiwan Miracle Only in the late 1990s, when democracy was introduced (because USA threatened to cut off weapons sales to Taiwan) did Taiwan's economic growth became more modest. Since then, Taiwan's economy has stagnated, wages are stagnant, cost of living is rising, unemployment is rising and Taiwan graduates are increasingly seeking jobs abroad, such as in Singapore or mainland China. So how is Taiwan doing better than mainland China?
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  8604. +Kianglek Tan said "The CCP now is not like it used to be, it's rubbish now" The Chinese Communist Party started off with a only just 50 members at the beginning of 1921 and grew to nearly 4.5 million when the People's Republic of China was founded in 1949. Today, the CCP is among the world's largest political party, with over 89 million members (which is about the population size of Germany) Being a CCP member is not easy, you'll have to be among the top 5% in your field of specialization. About 20.27 million (23.8%) of CCP are women and 5.80 million (6.8%) are from ethnic minority groups. In terms of occupation, farmers, herders and fishers totaling 25.35 million is the largest group, while 7.25 million Party members are industrial workers. Another 7.16 million members work in Party and state agencies, and 20.20 million are managerial staff and professional technicians working in enterprises and nonprofit organizations. Students make up 2.91 million and more than a quarter of members are 35 years or younger and about 34.09 million have obtained degrees in higher education institutions. All of them are highly qualified members of their respective fields and they are a politically savvy to make important decisions regarding the country's future whenever the CCP votes. But you look at democracies like USA and not every American is politically savvy enough to make the right vote, yet USA still allow them to vote? You are deciding the course of a country of 300 million (1.4 billion for China) so why entrust such important decisions to people are aren't politically savvy enough? All in all, I think the CCP has proven itself to be extremely competent, having survived the Japanese invasion and numerous KMT attempts to purge them, overthrowing the KMT and growing from a mere 50 members to about 89,450,000 members today.
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  8618.  @junebug8485  Read the World Economic Forum article again, its about which countries are on the right track, according to their citizens, not about disliking which government party. The WEF survey shows that China is bucking the trend with 90% of people expressing confidence in their country’s direction, as compared to the 65% of Americans that think their country is on the wrong track. Also, claiming that they disagree with Donald Trump and the Republicans or Joe Biden and the Democrats, doesn't this reinforce the view that neither of the two parties are able to deliver what the ordinary Americans want? The truth is that the two parties answer to the 1%, not to the 99% of Americans, making the U.S a plutocracy rather than a democracy. Whereas in China, even though there's only one type of government and one type of party, if the government is able to deliver what the Chinese want, then isn't China more democratic than the U.S in this sense? You said: "opinions and different viewpoints are what forges a democracy." Again, that's only one definition of a democracy, there are multiple definitions, and if we go by the standard that democracy is a government of the people, by the people, for the people, then the U.S is not a democracy, it's a plutocracy with a government of the 1%, by the 1%, for the 1%. For example, if you have to have lots of $$$ if you want to become POTUS, that's why only rich people can become POTUS. Also, censorship does exist in the U.S as people with different views are having their voices silenced by social media websites, so it appears that even by your own definition, the U.S isn't a democracy. Even on YT, different viewpoints (like Russian media RT) is banned, so doesn't this take away from the West being open to different viewpoints?
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  8650.  Supreme  "神州 Shenzhou your views are straight delusional and seem like you are pro ccp almost blindly and to the point you ignore valid criticism." Granted, the Communist Party of China is certainly not perfect (then again which government body truly is?) but despite its initial failures and setbacks, under its leadership, China's population doubled, our lifespans doubled, our literacy rates doubled, and our poverty rates plummeted. Under Chairman Mao Zedong, China's population grew from 540 million in 1949 to 969 million in 1979. China's growth in life expectancy at birth from 35–40 years in 1949 to 65.5 years in 1980 is among the most rapid sustained increases in documented global history (Banister and Preston 1981; Ashton et al. 1984; Coale1984; Jamison 1984; Banister 1987; Ravallion 1997; Banister and Hill 2004). This graph shows life-expectencies at birth across China, USA and India. Source: data.worldbank.org/indicator/SP.DYN.LE00.IN?locations=CN-IN-US China was once a dirt-poor, war-torn, starving country similar to India (world's largest democracy) in the past, but today, China has since transformed into world's 2nd largest economy, the world's factory (Made in China) having world's 2nd highest R&D spending, protected by world's largest land army, the People's Liberation Army, funded by world's 2nd highest military expenditure. And it's all been achieved under communist party leadership, despite Western anti-Communist propaganda constantly denouncing China's success all along.
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  8682.  @HannarrMontannarr  Every country copies technology from one another. Where'd you think Taiwan got their high end technology then? Even the USA copied German technology and stole German patents after WWII. At the beginning of WWII, American tanks were largely inferior to German tanks, but after WWII Nazi Surrender, the Americans absorbed German Panzer (Tank) Technology and that's why American tanks are so powerful today. The Nazi Airforce (Luftwaffe) had such successful aircraft designs that America incorporated those designs into its Airforce. Even Nazi V2 Rocket Scientists were put to work by NASA on their Moon landing missions. Source: One of the greatest ripoffs of all time was the US theft of German patents after WWII wintersonnenwende.com/scriptorium/english/archives/articles/patents.html Like I said, the PRC was NOT a member of the UN during the time of the Korean War in 1950s, and PRC only became a member of UN in 1970s, so why did you wrote "Lets not forge that china attack UN forces in korea, an organisation that it was a member of,"? You already got your historical facts about Korean War all mixed up in your statement here. According to journalist Fyodor Tertitskiy, documentation from 1945 suggests the Soviet government had no plans for a permanent division of Korea, and a Soviet-US Joint Commission met in 1946 and 1947 to work towards a unified administration. In 1946, the Soviet Union proposed Lyuh Woon-hyung as the leader of a unified Korea, but this was rejected by the US. At the final meeting of the Joint Commission in September 1947, Soviet delegate Terentii Shtykov proposed that both Soviet and US troops withdraw and give the Korean people the opportunity to form their own government. This was again rejected by the US. So isn't the USA that seemingly refused to allow Korea to unify by themselves? Isn't it the USA that rejected the idea that both Soviet and US forces withdraw and give the Korean people the opportunity to form their own government?
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  8687. +Yumeha Minakami Where is evidence of Greek and Middle Eastern invention of crossbow? You claiming I am not reading your comment, then tell me when did I ever said Chinese invented the bow? The earliest bronze crossbow triggers were found in Chinese tombs, like in the Terracotta Army. There isn't any archaeological evidence of Polybolos, apart from writings that's all. On the other hand, archaeological evidence of the earliest repeating crossbow from Tomb 47 at Qinjiazui, Hubei Province has been dated to the 4th century BC, during the Spring and Autumn period. Where is your archaeological proof for your claims? You are downright lying about mail armor offering protection from arrows and crossbow bolts. Just search videos about "Mail Armor versus arrows/crossbows" on Youtube to see what I mean. So many modern tests been conducted on mail armor using medieval bows and crossbows, yet you still claim mail can withstand a high powered bolt from crossbow? Which part of my statement that ancient Chinese people invented pig iron (256 BC) or cast iron (5th century BC) or wrought iron (2nd century BC) or blast furnace (1st century AD) or cupola furnace (4th century BC) or other things I mentioned is wrong? What about the Puddling process invented in 1st century AD? If you found anything wrong with my above statements, then why don't you point it out instead of mocking me? I thought we are talking about seafaring inventions here, not how well the country's sailors were. I have already named some Chinese seafaring inventions, like the compass (206 BC), and the rudder (1st century AD) etc. One of famous Chinese warship battles was Battle of Red Cliffs (same as the movie) where Liu Bei and Sun Quan fought Cao Cao. This battle has been cited as a candidate for one of the largest naval battles in history according to the following source. Wikipedia: Largest Naval Battles in History en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Largest_naval_battle_in_history You don't know much about Chinese history, but presume to look down on our naval capabilities? During Han dynasty, China had tower ships called Louchuan (楼船) which were floating fortresses armed with siege weapons including traction trebuchets. Paper still proved more popular than Egyptian papyrus, which was why it was eventually replaced. Paper was cheaper, easier to make, and revolutionized the recording and transmission of information. Han Chinese even invented the paper banknote, to help make business transactions more efficient, instead of carrying around precious metals and gems all the time. I have done much research and supplied dates of numerous Chinese inventions in my posts to prove my point, whereas you are making up obvious lies in your posts, such as claiming that mail armor can withstand high powered arrows and crossbow bolts, when this is proven to be false.
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  8699.  @NoChinaforever17  Previously, while Tibet was under Dalai Lama rule, Tibet was a brutal theocracy, where 95% of the population were slaves and the remaining 5% elites were slave owners. Tibetan mountainous soil is infertile, rainfall is scarce in the Himalayas, so the slaves had to work hard to feed the Tibetan population. Starvation was commonplace and theft of food was punished by torture, amputation and even skinning. There's this Tibetan drum called damaru that's made from human skulls, a drumskin made of human skin and drumstick made of human bone. The Dalai Lama was overly worshipped and his followers fought for the right to consume his saliva, his urine and even his feces, because he was considered a divine vessel. After Tibet returned back to China, Chinese workers began rapidly modernising Tibet, building roads, railways, streetlamps, running water, gas and electricity as well as introducing modern amenities like cars, computers, telephone cables, smartphones, the Internet, WiFi, online shopping (from Taobao) and so on. Under CPC, the first Tibetan colleges opened in Lhasa, offering degrees in both Tibetan and Mandarin Chinese languages. Hydroelectric powerstations were built by Chinese to supply Tibetan homes with electricity. Source: List of universities and colleges in Tibet wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_universities_and_colleges_in_Tibet Source: List of major power stations in the Tibet Autonomous Region wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_major_power_stations_in_the_Tibet_Autonomous_Region Chinese workers built the Qinghai-Lhasa railway (world's highest elevation railway) through dangerous mountainous terrain and low oxygen environments, to connect the normally isolated Tibet with the rest of the world. Tibet can now import food from the mainland to feed its population, and Tibet's population has tripled from 1 million in 1950s to over 3 million people today. A thriving tourist industry has even sprung up in Tibet.
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  8768.  @storage4539  "神州 Shenzhou Not until we control and bring the world under the rules of China, we need to fight the western info front." When has China ever wished for such a scenario? China isn't going around enforcing our political system onto other countries, it's actually the U.S that's doing such a thing, so why are you advocating that China do the same as the U.S? "Our dear leader Xi Jinping has reinforced the firewall, but our people constantly sneak out and get indoctrinated by western lies. You and I speaking freely on YouTube shows how impotent the firewall is." Nobody will come arrest you just for login into YouTube while in China, which person has been arrested just for doing so? There are so many foreign companies that come to China and set up shop here, and they require access to Western websites like Facebook, Twitter, etc, so the government issue VPN license to these companies. "By domesticating second tier western media whom is prone to spread fake news, plus our forged evidence if needed, we can invalidate and disparage the western hypocrisy in our own terms to our people and the world audience effectively." This sentence in itself is full of contradictions. We can't "invalidate and disparage the western hypocrisy" if our media itself resorts to "forged evidence" it's clearly an extremely risky maneuver with little probability of success. "CGTN's impartial cover has been blown since they registered as a foreign agent. The west knows that it is a party month piece and every word from it is just not trustworthy." I'm pretty sure Western audiences already know about CGTN's affiliations (they literally include it on YouTube disclaimers) so isn't this point moot? "Our central government should just cut CGTN out to save our face but let lousy western media in for our local puppet shows." I've previously addressed this point that it's a huge risk of this backfiring, and people in China getting hoodwinked by foreign media. On the other hand, foreign media will gain a foothold in China in order to convince more people to their cause.
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  8769.  @rr7369  Tibet was part of China since 800 years ago (longer than the entire colonial history of the Americas) how is Tibet not part of Chinese history? Previously, while Tibet was under Dalai Lama rule, Tibet was a brutal theocracy, where 95% of the population were slaves and the remaining 5% elites were slave owners. Tibetan mountainous soil is infertile, rainfall is scarce in the Himalayas, so the slaves had to work hard to feed the Tibetan population. Starvation was commonplace and theft of food was punished by torture, amputation and even skinning. There's this Tibetan drum called damaru that's made from human skulls, a drumskin made of human skin and drumstick made of human bone. The Dalai Lama was overly worshipped and his followers fought for the right to consume his saliva, his urine and even his feces, because he was considered a divine vessel. After Tibet returned back to China, Chinese workers began rapidly modernising Tibet, building roads, railways, streetlamps, running water, gas and electricity as well as introducing modern amenities like cars, computers, telephone cables, smartphones, the Internet, WiFi, online shopping (from Taobao) and so on. Under CPC, the first Tibetan colleges opened in Lhasa, offering degrees in both Tibetan and Mandarin Chinese languages. Hydroelectric powerstations were built by Chinese to supply Tibetan homes with electricity. Chinese workers built the Qinghai-Lhasa railway (world's highest elevation railway) through dangerous mountainous terrain and low oxygen environments, to connect the normally isolated Tibet with the rest of the world. Tibet can now import food from the mainland to feed its population, and Tibet's population has tripled from 1 million in 1950s to over 3 million people today. A thriving tourist industry has even sprung up in Tibet.
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  8870.  @Andrew-ib7gs  China can support 20% of the world's population with only 7% arable land and still produce surplus food for export. We are home to world's largest pig, goat, sheep and duck farms. China's fishing industry accounts for one-third of the world's fish production and our fish farms account for two-thirds of the world's aquaculture production. Source: Fishing Industry in China wikipedia.org/wiki/Fishing_industry_in_China China ranks 1st in worldwide farm output, producing more rice, wheat, onions, cabbages, green beans, cauliflowers, eggplant, potatoes, spinaches, carrots, cucumbers, pumpkins, sweet potatoes, pears, grapes, peaches, apples, plums, strawberries, kiwifruits, tomatoes, watermelons, tea, beer, chestnuts, peanuts, eggs, and honey than other countries. Source: List of largest producing countries of agricultural commodities wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_largest_producing_countries_of_agricultural_commodities Even Hong Kong is dependent on the mainland for food, water and even electricity. About 70% of Hong Kong's water demand is met by importing water from the Dongjiang River in neighbouring Guangdong province in the mainland. Hong Kong electrical grid is interconnected with the China Southern Power Grid of Mainland China. Hong Kong imports 23% of its total electricity needs from the mainland. Source: Water supply in Hong Kong wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_supply_and_sanitation_in_Hong_Kong Source: Electricity sector in Hong Kong wikipedia.org/wiki/Electricity_sector_in_Hong_Kong#Interconnection_with_China While you live in Hong Kong, you're actually relying on the mainland for your water, food and electricity.
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  8871.  @Andrew-ib7gs  You can suddenly bring up unrelated topic like British colonial government being responsible for the housing crisis, then why can't I bring up China's agricultural achievements, since you talked about crops in China? Hong Kong food and water come from the mainland, that's what you're eating and drinking every day in Hong Kong. Hong Kong doesn't even have enough arable land to support their own population, yet you want to complain about mainland produce when that's where your food comes from? About spraying pesticides, China's agricultural technology even makes uses drones for more efficient pesticide use, better pesticide coverage, saving pesticide use and saving manpower. Video: Pesticide-spraying drones rise to challenge of China’s ‘intelligent agriculture’ ambition youtu.be/8ZbhJT6NinM If the mainland suddenly cut off our electrical supply to Hong Kong then Hong Kong would be struggling to produce their remaining 23% of their electrical needs. You don't even give any sources to support your claims. Shenzhen’s economic growth has actually surpassed Hong Kong's in 2017. Source: Shenzhen surpasses US$338 billion GDP mark in 2017, beats Hong Kong and Singapore’s growth scmp.com/news/china/economy/article/2128310/shenzhen-88-cent-hi-tech-growth-roll-hit-y2tr-2017 Shenzhen is roughly the same economic size as Singapore and Hong Kong, but recorded nominal output of 2.2 trillion yuan (US$338 billion) in 2017 thanks to its booming hi-tech sector. Over 40% of the output came from “innovative” businesses such as internet, biotech and telecom. And that's despite Shenzhen being under communist party rule, while Hong Kong is suffering under its own democratic government.
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  8886.  @johnnyrommel4113  Look, Biden wants to return America to the pre-Trump era. But remember, that the pre-Trump era was precisely what led to Trump's election in 2016. To further elaborate this example, imagine from the Trump era (B), you want to return to pre-Trump era (A). But (A) was precisely what led to (B) in the first place! (A) -> (B) By returning that pre-Trump era (A), Biden is only setting up the USA to return to the Trump era (B). Unless you change the conditions and fix the root of the problem, you'll see a return to Trump's re-election (or another candidate with similar Trump views) By ignoring the 49% of American voters, you are setting up the same conditions for next election in 2024 to be a close shave as well. …… You said: "But once again, your issue is with Trump. Not me or any other American. Only Trump to blame for that. Rest of us are clean." Why are you Americans always trying to wash your hands clean? Earlier you said your family is clean, now you're saying rest of Americans are clean? Why are you deliberately trying to avoid responsibility? You constantly try to paint Americans as clean, when 71 million of Americans who voted, voted for Trump! You're just going to ignore 49% of Americans votes and claim you're clean? You are illustrating the deep divisions present in American society. By ignoring the 49% and trying to paint rest of Americans as clean, you're just avoiding responsibility for American's actions that's all, what sort of thinking is this?
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  8935.  @augustuswoods4548  Previously, while Tibet was under Dalai Lama rule, Tibet was a brutal theocracy, where 95% of the population were slaves and the remaining 5% elites were slave owners. Tibetan mountainous soil is infertile, rainfall is scarce in the Himalayas, so the slaves had to work hard to feed the Tibetan population. Starvation was commonplace and theft of food was punished by torture, amputation and even skinning. There's this Tibetan drum called damaru that's made from human skulls, a drumskin made of human skin and drumstick made of human bone. The Dalai Lama was overly worshipped and his followers fought for the right to consume his saliva, his urine and even his feces, because he was considered a divine vessel. After Tibet returned back to China, Chinese workers began rapidly modernising Tibet, building roads, railways, streetlamps, running water, gas and electricity as well as introducing modern amenities like cars, computers, telephone cables, smartphones, the Internet, WiFi, online shopping (from Taobao) and so on. Under CPC, the first Tibetan colleges opened in Lhasa, offering degrees in both Tibetan and Mandarin Chinese languages. Hydroelectric powerstations were built by Chinese to supply Tibetan homes with electricity. Source: List of universities and colleges in Tibet wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_universities_and_colleges_in_Tibet Source: List of major power stations in the Tibet Autonomous Region wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_major_power_stations_in_the_Tibet_Autonomous_Region Chinese workers built the Qinghai-Lhasa railway (world's highest elevation railway) through dangerous mountainous terrain and low oxygen environments, to connect the normally isolated Tibet with the rest of the world. Tibet can now import food from the mainland to feed its population, and Tibet's population has tripled from 1 million in 1950s to over 3 million people today. A thriving tourist industry has even sprung up in Tibet.
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  8941.  Narglar Wing  I literally shown information that under Chairman Mao, China's population actually increased during the period of the Great Leap Forward (by an estimated 48 million). In fact, under the Communist Party rule, China's population has nearly tripled in size from 500 million in 1950s to 1.4 billion people today. And it's all been achieved under the leadership of the Communist Party of China, despite Western anti-Communist propaganda constantly denouncing China's success all along. I mean, why did Republic of China 🇹🇼 (1912-1949) a so-called "democracy" even lost the mainland to People's Republic of China 🇨🇳 which consist of dirt-poor, heavily outnumbered, ill-equipped, starving Communist peasants and had to flee to Formosa (Taiwan)? Mao Zedong and the communists managed to reunify out divided country where the Nationalist Kuomintang failed to do so for 37 years. When Dr Sun Yatsen overthrew the previous Qing Dynasty China and established "democratic" Republic of China (1912-1949) China was divided into several areas, we lost control of Tibet, and various warlords ruled different parts of China and even Japan invaded China twice during this weak period of Chinese history. Dr. Sun tried to get help from the Western powers, but they laughed at the thought of China copying their democracy. They even gave away the Shandong province (which had been occupied by the Germans during WWI) to Japan, instead of returning it to China (even when China was part of the Allies during WWI). In the end, Dr. Sun died without ever realising a unified China under democracy. But then Mao Zedong came along, and he accomplished what the ROC could not, and reunifed China under communism, proclaiming the People's Republic of China in 1949 and Tibet was finally returned back to China in 1951. If not for Mao Zedong, China today would still be weak and divided country, fighting among ourselves, instead of the strong unified country we are today.
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  8943.  @richarde.halliburton8022  After WWII, South Korea was actually dirt-poor country under democracy (with GDP lower than some sub-Saharan African countries), while North Korea was the more powerful country on the Korean peninsula. That's why North Korea was able to attempt to reunify their divided homeland during the Korean War, but their attempt at Korean reunification was thwarted because the USA intervened in their internal civil war and joined South Korea. After the Korean War, South Korea actually prospered under South Korean dictator, Park Chung-hee. When Park came to power in 1961, South Korea's per capita income was only US$72.00 and North Korea was the greater economic and military power on the peninsula. One of Park's main goals was to end the poverty of South Korea, and lift the country up from being a Third World economy to a First World economy via etatist methods. Using the Soviet Union and its Five Year Plans as a model, Park launched his first Five Year Plan in Korea. Park is credited with playing a pivotal role in the development of South Korea's tiger economy by shifting its focus to export-oriented industrialisation, creating the "Miracle on the Han River" (漢江의 奇蹟) Source: wikipedia.org/wiki/Park_Chung-hee#Economic_policy But Park was also a South Korean dictator. In 1972, Park declared martial law and amended the constitution into a highly authoritarian document, called the Yushin Constitution, effectively tantamount to abolition of the former Constitution. During this time, political opposition and dissent was constantly repressed and Park had complete control of the media and military. So South Korea was actually dirt-poor under democracy after WWII and Korean War, it was South Korean dictator Park Chung-hee that brought economic prosperity to South Korea. Not democracy.
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  8944.  @augustuswoods4548  So YouTube is deleting your comments, then this shows that censorship exists in the West yet you want to complain about censorship in China? I thought many Westerners boasted that they have freedom of speech in the West. We are talking about Tiananmen Square Massacre itself (that's what you wrote) and I have already cited numerous articles showing that nothing happened and there was no bloodshed inside Tiananmen Square Jun 1989. The students in the square when troops arrived were allowed to leave peacefully, yet Western media constantly brings up Tiananmen Square Massacre? So Jay Matthews has been showing that there was no bloodshed inside Tiananmen Square Jun 1989. According to Jay Matthews article: Student leader Wu’er Kaixi said he had seen 200 students cut down by gunfire, but it was later proven that he left the square several hours before the events he described allegedly occurred. (so how could he have witness the gunning down of students when he left the square earlier?) CBS correspondent Richard Roth’s story of being arrested and removed from the scene refers to “powerful bursts of automatic weapons, raging gunfire for a minute and a half that lasts as long as a nightmare.” Black and Munro quote a Chinese eyewitness who says the gunfire was from army commandos shooting out the student loudspeakers at the top of the monument. (so the People's Liberation Army commandos were shooting at student’s loudspeakers, not at the students themselves) A BBC reporter watching from a high floor of the Beijing Hotel said he saw soldiers shooting at students at the monument in the center of the square. But as the many journalists who tried to watch the action from that relatively safe vantage point can attest, the middle of the square is not visible from the hotel. (so how could he have witnessed soldiers shooting at students at the monument in the middle of the square, when the monument wasn't visible from his vantage point?)
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  8963.  @augustuswoods4548  You said: "gives no moral or logical legitimacy to the present-day" And I already responded with the Tibetans themselves signed the Seventeen Point Agreement for the Peaceful Liberation of Tibet (中央人民政府和西藏地方政府关于和平解放西藏办法的协议) in 1951, thus affirming Chinese sovereignty over Tibet. This is the modern justification and legitimacy, even today, countries all over the world recognise Tibet Autonomous Region as part of the People's Republic of China. Just draw the Map of China and Tibet is clearly part of China. Here's a Map of China: maps-of-the-world.net/maps/maps-of-asia/maps-of-china/detailed-special-economic-zones-map-of-china-1997.jpg As for dishonesty, we are talking about the Tiananmen Square Massacre and I've already cited numerous articles showing that there was no bloodshed inside Tiananmen Square Jun 1989. That is what we are talking about, the Tiananmen Square Massacre, isn't it? And you said Liu Xiaobo won't died under house arrest in America, which I said: "Of course, because Liu Xiaobo is a Chinese dissident, not an American dissident." so how am I missing the point? And Liu Xiaobo received medical treatment for his cancer, but still succumbed to cancer in the end, so what makes you think Liu Xiaobo would live beyond his time, had he been in America? I can also make the speculation that fugitives of America like Assange and Snowden won't be alive today, if they were in America today, what's the point of your argument? "Americans are not arrested for making arguments in favour of a different system of government." Likewise, Chinese are not arrested for making arguments in favor of a different system of government, for example: Anarchy, Fascism, Democracy, Soviet Democracy, Communism, Monarchy, Meritocracy, as long as they aren't trying to actively implement said system onto China. Whereas it's illegal to display the Nazi Flag in Germany, France, Austria, etc outside of historical context, nor the Communist Hammer and Sickle flag in former Soviet Union countries like Ukraine, Lithuania, Czech Republic. Source: Bans on Nazi flag wikipedia.org/wiki/Post%E2%80%93World_War_II_legality_of_Nazi_flags Source: Bans on Communist Symbols wikipedia.org/wiki/Bans_on_communist_symbols But in China, you can display the Nazi Flag or the Communist Hammer and Sickle flag, no problem.
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  8966.  @augustuswoods4548  And as I said, the Tibetans themselves signed the Seventeen Point Agreement acknowledging Chinese sovereignty over Tibet, this is the modern justification and legitimacy of China's claim. And I've already proven it by showing that countries all over the world recognise Tibet Autonomous Region as part of China using the map of China. We were talking about Tiananmen Square Massacre, and we have already come to the conclusion that there was no bloodshed inside Tiananmen Square Jun 1989 (even Nicholas Kristof said so) so isn't this settled? "Were hundreds of Chinese citizens killed by the Chinese military/police in Beijing on July 3rd and 4th 1989? Yes or No?" Why are you trying to force me to choose one of two answers? This is a false dichotomy fallacy based on a premise that erroneously limits what options are available. Yes, you weren't saying people won't die of cancer in America, but you made the claim that Liu Xiaobo would not have died under house arrest in America (to which I replied because Liu was a Chinese dissident, not an American dissident). And in China, you aren't arrested just for arguing in favour of a different political system like Soviet democracy, Monarchy, Meritocracy, etc as long as you don't try to implement said system in China. In fact, China is the only country in the world to have multiple political systems (democracy and socialism with Chinese Characteristics) existing within our borders, through the One Country, Two Systems Policy. No Western democracy has such a system where multiple political systems exist within their borders.
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  9062.  @fclopez1  Previously, while Tibet was under Dalai Lama rule, Tibet was a brutal theocracy, where 95% of the population were slaves and the remaining 5% elites were slave owners. Tibetan mountainous soil is infertile, rainfall is scarce in the Himalayas, so the slaves had to work hard to feed the Tibetan population. Starvation was commonplace and theft of food was punished by torture, amputation and even skinning. There's this Tibetan drum called damaru that's made from human skulls, a drumskin made of human skin and drumstick made of human bone. The Dalai Lama was overly worshipped and his followers fought for the right to consume his saliva, his urine and even his feces, because he was considered a divine vessel. After Tibet returned back to China, Chinese workers began rapidly modernising Tibet, building roads, railways, streetlamps, running water, gas and electricity as well as introducing modern amenities like cars, computers, telephone cables, smartphones, the Internet, WiFi, online shopping (from Taobao) and so on. Under CPC, the first Tibetan colleges opened in Lhasa, offering degrees in both Tibetan and Mandarin Chinese languages. Hydroelectric powerstations were built by Chinese to supply Tibetan homes with electricity. Chinese workers built the Qinghai-Lhasa railway (world's highest elevation railway) through dangerous mountainous terrain and low oxygen environments, to connect the normally isolated Tibet with the rest of the world. Tibet can now import food from the mainland to feed its population, and Tibet's population has tripled from 1 million in 1950s to over 3 million people today. A thriving tourist industry has even sprung up in Tibet.
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  9111.  @creddesignmatters6855  I have been answering your relentless questions, to the best of my ability, but all you done is mock my answers as "too nice to be true" then why are you being condescending towards me? You answered none of my questions, yet you constantly demand answers out of me? Who do you think you are? I have explained briefly how the Communist Party of China functions, yet you just throw the same questions after I answered them? This video goes into detail about who joins the CPC. Video: Who joins the Communist Party of China? youtu.be/zdhnoYg93mw I quoted a Harvard University study showing around 80-90% of Chinese citizens support the Communist Party of China, yet you're response is to give your own anecdotal evidence? And not even about China, you give anecdotes about Soviet Nations. Well, China is not the Soviet Union so why are you bringing up your own personal stories about the Soviet Union nations when I quoted Harvard University study on Chinese citizens? This is a strawman fallacy, isn't it? And since you brought up the Soviet Union, back in 1917, Russia was arguably the poorest country in Europe at that time, filled with starving peasants and poor workers, under the rule of the corrupt Tsar and Russia was technologically backward compared to the richer, developed Western European countries. After the Communist Revolution however, the Soviet Union rapidly grew to become arguably the strongest country in Europe surpassing it's Western European neighbours both economically and militarily (that's why NATO was formed in response to Soviet Union military rise). Soviet Union was world's 2nd largest economy from 1960-1985 during its heyday. Source: Soviet Union was world's 2nd largest economy from 1960-1985 wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_largest_historical_GDP#Overview_of_the_ten_largest_economies And it's all been achieved under the leadership of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union.
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  9117. +Parm Mohan You claim I'm wrong? Since when was India given membership and a seat in UNSC? When did India gave that seat to China? I've found this source from Indian Newspaper and Indian Prime Minister Nehru has categorically denied any offer, formal or informal, having been received about a seat for India in the UN Security Council The Prime Minister said: "There has been no offer, formal or informal, of this kind. Some vague references have appeared in the press about it which have no foundation in fact. The composition of the Security Council is prescribed by the UN Charter, according to which certain specified nations have permanent seats. No change or addition can be made to this without an amendment of the Charter. There is, therefore, no question of a seat being offered and India declining it. Our declared policy is to support the admission of all nations qualified for UN membership.'' UN seat: Nehru clarifies Source: thehindu.com/2005/09/28/stories/2005092800270900.htm So why do you claim that I am wrong and that India was offered a seat which India gave to China? India's PM Nehru himself has denied such offer so where's your proof that India was offered a seat at UNSC? Why are we even talking about USA saving China? You were asking about UN membership, and both the US and China are a permanent members, whereas India isn't, so why bring up USA saving China? USA did not even invade the Japanese mainland, and the Japanese only surrendered after Russia joined the Allies against Japan and invaded the Japanese occupied region of Manchuria. Wikipedia: Soviet invasion of Manchuria wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_invasion_of_Manchuria
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  9123.  @neil6958  Over 50 years ago, nobody thought that China would ever be successful, or play any important role in global politics, yet look at where China is today? Hong Kong was taken from China by Britain and wasn't fully returned. During the 19th century, the British wanted to continue drinking Chinese tea, but China did not want anything the West had to offer, so Britain waged two bloody wars with China and forced Chinese to buy opium from them at gunpoint, which we didn't want because it made us sick and was poisoning our people. During this weak period of Chinese history, Hong Kong was taken from China and made into British colony, to act as a drug distribution hub to spread the addiction throughout rest of China. Even when Britain renounced ownership over its former territories, Hong Kong was not fully returned back to China, and China had to agree to Sino-British declaration just for Britain to handover what belongs to us. I've already explained the idea behind the Social Credit System, to reward good social behaviour and to penalise bad behaviour. But you Westerners often quote the storybook by Orville, but that's just a work of fiction! The author deliberately exaggerate the negative aspects of technology for entertainment purposes and to attract readership, but it doesn't necessarily mean that reality will follow in its example. Under old Chinese laws, it was legal to harvest organs from prisoners on death row, but only with the express permission of the prisoner or their family members. In my opinion, the criminal is already sentenced to death, so at least the harvested organs will be put to good use saving someone's life, instead of being wasted and rotting away with the body. But since 2014, China has abolished the act of harvesting organs from executed prisoners and China's organ transplant rates are low, and the organ waiting lists are long. Source: The Economist: China ends the practice of harvesting organs from executed prisoners economist.com/graphic-detail/2014/12/30/organ-harvest
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  9125.  @tomspencer1364  You asked: "What do you do when they start to do an awful job?" Throughout China's 5000 years of history, China has our fair share of tyrant emperors neglecting state affairs and indulging in pleasures while the common people suffered, yet China's authoritarian political system has survived for millenia. Peasants eventually rise up to overthrow the Emperor and the imperial court. But guess what happens next? Another Emperor is eventually installed in power after the uprising, and China's authoritarian political system continues as it has until the modern times. "神州 Shenzhou Did I say the CCP was doing an awful job?" If you support the idea that the Communist Party of China is doing a good job governing China, then we are in agreement. A recent long-term study by Harvard University has revealed that around 80-90% of Chinese citizens support the CPC. Source: Harvard survey finds Chinese satisfaction with govt rises china.org.cn/china/2020-07/17/content_76281590.htm About the exceptionally bad performance of the United States in dealing with Covid-19, I agree that the root of problem probably started decades ago (like you said). But had democracy been "self-correcting" like you said, then you would have rooted out the problem decades ago. This shows that simply changing government doesn't solve the problem at all, you need to change policies, not change governments. In short, in USA, you can change the government, but not the policies. Whereas in China, you can't change the government, but the policies change. Finally, with regards to your last statement, there's no shame in being an elderly person. In Chinese culture, elders are respected, for they are fonts of wisdom, just waiting to impart their knowledge to the new generation.
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  9159. Here's the Chinese way to explain the Ukraine/Russia war to help clear up the confusion through a story: More than 20 years ago, Ukraine divorced her ex-husband (Russia), and took several children along with her. Still, the ex-husband was very accommodating to her and left her with a lot of family property. After that, the ex-husband also paid off more than 200 billion in debts for her. After getting rid of her ex-husband, Ukraine started flirting with the village chief (United States) and his harem of concubines (i.e NATO countries) until she was completely ensnared in their arms. That's still acceptable to a certain point, (but) she was enraptured with the village tyrant, and hooked up with him to attack her ex-husband. The ex-husband was very angry and had insisted on returning a child: Crimea. Ukraine began to harboring grudges against her ex-husband and dreams of marrying into the NATO family, and of milking her ex-husband dry of his assets. The village chief didn't want to marry Ukraine into the family. She was high-maintenance and loved to splurge money. The village chief just wanted to use her like a pawn to bully her ex-husband. After 8 years of constant abuse, her two children (Donetsk and Luhansk) went crying and imploring for help from their father. The village chief was always on the sidelines in the ex husband and wife conflict, occasionally sending in expired items (ammunition) from time to time. Ukraine thought she had someone to support her, and became even more presumptuous towards her ex-husband. The ex-husband could bear it no longer, took another glance at the poor treatment of the children, and rushed over in defense of his two children, so the ex husband and wife started fighting. Now, the village chief and his many wives are cheering on Ukraine from the sidelines, yet none of them are willing to lift an actual finger and partake in the fighting themselves. Ukraine is unlikely to marry into the NATO family, because that would mean that the village chief and his many wives would have to join the fight against the ex-husband.
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  9185.  @zilun  Trump will eventually have to step down, and then what's next? The USA lacks a long-term strategy against China, because US presidents have to step down after 4-8 years, and are thus, unable to make long-term plans spanning, say 10 years or more. Whereas Chinese government has put forth many 5-year plans, 10-year plans, 20-year plans, 30-year plans, etc to map out China's direction and future in 2020, 2030, 2040, 2050, etc, and to set specific goals for China to achieve. Some of these goals include (but are not limited to): -By 2020, China plans to eliminate poverty completely and establish moderately prosperous society. -By 2025, China plans to transform our manufacturing industry to incorporate high-end technology. -By 2030, China plans to be world leader in Artificial Intelligence -By 2035, China plans to be key innovative, scientific power and establish moderately socialist society. -By 2040, China plans to ban all fossil fuel powerplants and all non-electric vehicles for greener future. -By 2045, China plans to be world leading space nation, having established a space elevator. -By 2050, China plans to have surpassed the USA as global superpower, economically and militarily. By abolishing the presidential term limit, our leaders can remain in power long enough to see their plans for China bloom and come into fruition in the future. But the US presidents can't make long term plans, because they are limited by their term limits, and the two parties constantly fight among each other, sabotaging each other's plans, instead of fighting for America's future.
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  9210.  @meeveebee  Here I found this forum about "Is Forced/compulsory Military Conscription Morally Right?" and Singapore forced conscription is being talked about and compared to "slavery" Source: "Is Forced/compulsory Military Conscription Morally Right?" depressionforums.org/forums/topic/98638-is-forcedcompulsory-military-conscription-morally-right/ One person wrote: My country Singapore currently has 2 year military conscription compulsory for all males aged 18. Failing to comply to the law will face 3 year imprisonment and fined SGD 10 000. I actually find it pressurizing and pointless. I was so stressed up that I started self harming myself when the enlistment letter came. 3 months basic military training of that 2 year, recruits can't go home. Worse of all, our government is paying the soldiers quite lowly, at least 2 - 3 times lower than the normal monthly incomes of city jobs. I feel it is slavery than I have anything to gain from it. I've more to lose than I've anything to gain. It hurts my self esteem quite a lot thinking about it. Shaving bald and slaved inside as a recruit. I think it is cruelty. Don't get me wrong, my personal stance is that forced military conscription is essential in order for Singapore to survive as a country. Who's going to serve in the Singapore army if not Singapore people? Just like in Xinjiang, re-education of these potential Uighur extremists is essential for China to reform their ways, provide free education for them and train these Uighurs in job skills to prepare them for the workforce in China. Through this, I hope the Uighurs emerge as productive members of society
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  9214.  @akif5638  By reciting your pledge, you are literally showing that you have been brainwashed by Singapore nationalistic propaganda. Forced conscription is a great way to make young men more patriotic to the country, so why can't China teach Uighurs to be more patriotic to China through re-education? China's Islamic education is the same as Singapore's Islamic education, we remove all the extremist elements from the student's thoughts. In Singapore, you can practice Islam and only condition is that you are respectful to people with other beliefs than yours. Likewise, China allows Muslims do any Islam things except things against the nation or the party and the Government respects Muslim tradition and custom as long as they obey the law and order. As for Singapore building a" democratic society" your country has been literally ruled by authoritarian single party PAP for its entire life already. How is that democratic? Did you know that in Democratic People's Republic of Korea, the population also gets to vote for Kim Jong Um to lead them? You think Singapore does not have dark history of its own? There are so many examples of Singapore dissidents being arrested, and Singapore news will of course paint them as "the enemies" in your country. The part about Amos Lee offending Christians was just a "cover" by Singapore media to punish him for his political views, and you just believe it like that? Even US Asylum court made the following assertion for his asylum: “The evidence presented at the hearing demonstrates that Singapore’s prosecution of Yee was a pretext to silence his political opinions critical of the Singapore government. His prosecution, detention and general maltreatment at the hands of the Singapore authorities demonstrates persecution on account of Yee’s political opinions. Yee is a young political dissident and his application for asylum is granted.” – The Honourable Samuel Cole, immigration judge. Source: A Singapore opposition politician’s experience of dissident Amos Yee’s US asylum hearing hongkongfp.com/2017/03/27/singapore-opposition-politicians-experience-dissident-amos-yees-us-asylum-hearing/ So are you really from Singapore when you don't even know how your country deals with political dissidents? And while you personally enjoyed forced conscription in your country, I have earlier cited a source about Singapore males who compare forced conscription to slavery. And Singapore is of course not China (just like China is not Singapore) but clearly, our countries share similar views with regard to authoritarian single-party rule, as well as crushing political dissidents. But you are the one pretending like Singapore is somehow better, when your political system is similar to ours.
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  9216.  @JohnBobb  "It was hoped (and i did too) that you would find your way into a democracy (like HK and Taiwan)" Explain, why should China adopt Western democracy? Hong Kong had been ruled by authoritarian British colonial rule and it was successful, right up to democracy was introduced after Hong Kong handover to mainland China, then Hong Kong started suffering all the protests and its economy stagnated. And Taiwan had been under authoritarian single-party Kuomintang rule for more than half its life! The KMT ruled Taiwan with iron fist, and KMT leader Chiang kai-shek jailed and executed many dissidents and political rivals (whether real or perceived) in a period known as White Terror 白色恐怖 and imposed martial law on Taiwan for more than 38 years, which was qualified as "the longest imposition of martial law by a regime anywhere in the world" at that time. But under authoritarian KMT rule, Taiwan flourished and rapidly modernized and this was known as Taiwan Miracle. Between 1952 and 1982, Taiwan's economic growth was on average 8.7%, and between 1983 and 1986 at 6.9%. Taiwan GDP grew by 360% between 1965 and 1986 and the percentage of global exports was over 2% in 1986, over other recently industrialized countries, and the global industrial production output grew a further 680% between 1965 and 1986. And it was all achieved under authoritarian KMT rule. Only when democracy was introduced to Taiwan (because USA threatened to halt weapons sale to Taiwan if KMT did not introduce political reforms) did Taiwan's economic growth became more modest in 1990s and today, Taiwan's economy is in a slump, wages are stagnant, cost of living is high, and Taiwan graduates can't find job so they seek employment opportunities abroad, such as in the mainland or Singapore. So why should China introduce democracy then? Because Westerners say so?
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  9254.  @sneeringimperialist6667  "神州 Shenzhou what about Tibet?" Under the Dalai Lama (Tibetan leader) rule, Tibet was brutal theocracy, where 95% of the population are slaves, while the remaining 5% elites were slave-owners. Tibetan mountainous soil was infertile, rainfall was scarce in the Himalayas, so the slaves had to work hard to feed the population. Starvation was commonplace, theft of food was punished by amputation, torture and even skinning. There is this Tibetan drum called damaru that consists of 2 human skulls, a drum skin made from human skin, and a drumstick made from human bone. The Dalai Lama was worshiped and his followers fight for the right to consume his saliva, his urine and even his feces, because he was seen as a divine vessel. After Tibet returned to Chinese rule, Chinese workers began rapidly modernizing Tibet, building roads, railways, highways, streetlamps, running gas and water pipelines, electricity cables, as well as modern technology like cars, appliances, telephones, computers, the Internet, WiFi, online shopping (like Taobao), and so on. Under Chinese rule, the first Tibetan universities were opened in Lhasa, offering courses in both Tibetan and Mandarin Chinese. Hydroelectric dams were built in Tibet to provide renewable energy to houses. The Qinghai-Lhasa railway (world's highest elevation railway) was built to connect the normally isolated Tibet to the rest of the world. Tibet can now import food from the mainland and its population has since tripled from 1 million in 1952 to over 3 million today. Sources: List of universities and colleges in Tibet wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_universities_and_colleges_in_Tibet List of major power stations in the Tibet Autonomous Region wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_major_power_stations_in_the_Tibet_Autonomous_Region
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  9343.  @somaday2595  "神州 Shenzhou You forgot to complete the North Korean outcome." Korea was originally once a single country (Joseon Dynasty) until Imperial Japan invaded it and occupied it for 50 years (1910-1945) after which Korea was (again needlessly) partitioned into North Korea (by Soviet Union) and South Korea (by United States). Initially North Korea was the stronger nation on the peninsula and they wanted to end this humiliating division of their country, and they almost succeeded. By Sept 1950, Korea was around 95% unified under North Korea, until the U.S intervened in this internal Korean Civil War, and pushed the North Korean forces back, past the 38th Parallel and into actual North Korean territory, right up to the border with China. Seeing the enemy encroach onto China's doorstep, China eventually agreed to help our North Korean allies push the invaders back to the 38th Parallel. Till today, North Korea and South Korea are still technically at war, and over 70 years of separation has made the chances of a Korean reunification slimmer with each passing year. You said: "But the USA did not abandon S Vietnam." They did. U.S troops withdrew at the Fall of Saigon, and Operation Frequent Wind was was the largest helicopter evacuation in history. That after American troops been dropping napalm bombs and torching villages to ashes, and spraying chemical defoliants causing birth defects in Vietnamese children 40 years after. You said: "There was a peace accord signed and later broken by N Vietnam and was an extremely repressive once it controlled S Vietnam." Despite speculation that the victorious North Vietnamese would, in President Nixon's words, "massacre the civilians there [South Vietnam] by the millions," there is a widespread consensus that no mass executions took place. Then there's the issue that the US used its security council veto to block Vietnam's recognition by the UN three times, an obstacle to the country receiving international aid.
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  9352. @nithinv5990 "Therefore, rejecting colonial history means heading towards disintegration rather than integration." Clearly that shows you're not confident enough to stand on your own two feet, and that you constantly rely on colonial maps to keep your country from disintegrating. It's gotten so bad that you cannot even make the slightest modification to colonial maps. No flexibility, only rigidity. You said: "Acceptance does not mean that we have an inferiority complex, just that we are confident enough now." Prove it then. Instead of relying on the British drawn McMahon Line, India should be confident enough now to negotiate a border with China, one that is acceptable to both sides. You said: "In that way, China also has a Western Colonial Mindset. Why does China follow Communism that originated in Germany?" Today, under President Xi Jinping, China is adhering to "Socialism with Chinese Characteristics." China tried the pure Marxist ideology and found that it wasn't suitable for China. So China has made modifications to it, drawing wisdom from 5,000 years of Chinese history to suit the ideology to China's needs and have arrived at the result today. In fact, China reached back towards the Confucian classics and found parallels between Communism and Confucius's teaching of the Great Unity (大同; Datong). According to it, the society in Great Unity was ruled by the public, where the people elected men of virtue and ability to administer, and valued trust and amity. People loved not only their own parents and children but those of other people as well. Those who were widowed, orphaned, childless, handicapped and diseased were all taken care of. Resources weren't wasted but people did not seek to possess them; they wanted to exert their strength but did not do it for their own benefit.
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  9390.  @rogerdodger8415  You said: "The Tibetan people choose their spiritual leader," How do the Tibetan people choose their leaders? It's basically a "lottery system" and some child is chosen as the next Dalai Lama. And the 14th Dalai Lama clearly sold out to the Americans having accepted $1,735,000 in funds from the American CIA, isn't this the smoking gun that the so-called spiritual leader is an agent of the CIA? The proof is staring you in the eye, we only know about CIA activities in Tibet after they declassified the files. About Hong Kong, they currently have their own government separate from the mainland. Hong Kong people vote in elections for their leaders, the Chief Executive Carrie Lam won the 2017 HK Chief Executive election by garnering 777 votes out of the 1200-member Election Committee (which consists of entirely of Hong Kong groups. Beijing does not cast any votes in HK's elections, they are all decided by Hong Kong people themselves, so how does Hong Kong not have democracy? Previously, Hong Kong had been under the authoritarian rule of colonial Britain for 150 years where they didn't enjoy democracy, until the 1997 handover period, that Hong Kong people finally get democracy under the 1 Country, 2 Systems policy. Also, every country/region needs a National Security Law, even USA has their own National Security Law. According to Hong Kong Basic Law Article 23 (香港基本法第二十三條) It states that Hong Kong shall enact laws to prohibit any act of treason, secession, sedition, subversion against the Central People's Government, or theft of state secrets, to prohibit foreign political organizations or bodies from conducting political activities in the Region, and to prohibit political organizations or bodies of the Region from establishing ties with foreign political organizations or bodies. The foreign political organisations part is especially important, given that USA has previously interfered in Tibet, poached the 14th Dalai Lama and funded separatist activities (see the declassified CIA files) against the Beijing. So Beijing needs to ensure that Hong Kong doesn't become susceptible to foreign political organisations like Tibet was previously.
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  9395.  @rogerdodger8415  Previously, while Tibet was under Dalai Lama rule, Tibet was a brutal theocracy, where 95% of the population were slaves and the remaining 5% elites were slave owners. Tibetan mountainous soil is infertile, rainfall is scarce in the Himalayas, so the slaves had to work hard to feed the Tibetan population. Starvation was commonplace and theft of food was punished by torture, amputation and even skinning. There's this Tibetan drum called damaru that's made from human skulls, a drumskin made of human skin and drumstick made of human bone. The Dalai Lama was overly worshipped and his followers fought for the right to consume his saliva, his urine and even his feces, because he was considered a divine vessel. After Tibet returned back to China, Chinese workers began rapidly modernising Tibet, building roads, railways, streetlamps, running water, gas and electricity as well as introducing modern amenities like cars, computers, telephone cables, smartphones, the Internet, WiFi, online shopping (from Taobao) and so on. Under CPC, the first Tibetan colleges opened in Lhasa, offering degrees in both Tibetan and Mandarin Chinese languages. Hydroelectric powerstations were built by Chinese to supply Tibetan homes with electricity. Source: List of universities and colleges in Tibet wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_universities_and_colleges_in_Tibet Source: List of major power stations in the Tibet Autonomous Region wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_major_power_stations_in_the_Tibet_Autonomous_Region Chinese workers built the Qinghai-Lhasa railway (world's highest elevation railway) through dangerous mountainous terrain and low oxygen environments, to connect the normally isolated Tibet with the rest of the world. Tibet can now import food from the mainland to feed its population, and Tibet's population has tripled from 1 million in 1950s to over 3 million people today. A thriving tourist industry has even sprung up in Tibet.
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  9417.  @KrunoslavStifter  You said: "神州 Shenzhou The invasion of Imperial Japan and involvement of USA in the WWII and Asian Theater is something you still haven't explained." The U.S did not save China from Japan in WW2. When Imperial Japan invaded Manchuria in 1931 (8 years before the Nazi invaded Poland start of WW2), the Americans were content to let the Japanese conquer more and more Chinese territory. Only when Pearl Harbor was bombed did the Americans finally joined China against the Japanese, so it was not for China's sake that U.S joined WWII. In total, China fought Japan for 14 years (1931-1945) with 11 years alone. Whereas the U.S fought Japan for 3 years (1942-1945) with Chinese aid. You said: "Also who supported the Mao rebels and who supported the nationalists under Chiang Kai-shek (蔣中正 蔣介石). Because Soviet Union also was involved." The communists had Soviet support, but similarly the Nationalist Kuomintang had U.S support. But KMT corruption had resulted in them pocketing some $750,000,000 worth of U.S aid, so much such that even the U.S President Truman made a remark about it and wrote that "the Chiangs, the Kungs and the Soongs (were) all thieves". Chiang’s nationalist army hoarded US aid monies, arms and material to such a degree that President Truman wrote that "the Chiangs, the Kungs and the Soongs (were) all thieves" having stolen some $750 million dollars of US funds Source: voltairenet.org/article177063.html You said: "In the end Mao's gorilla tactics and a bit of lucky beyond his control help. I don't deny that he played a major role, but it was not a sole role or brilliance of Mao as I'm sure CCP likes to show it," I find that you apply double standards between taking away credit from Mao for his positive achievements, but at the same time, solely pinning the blame on Mao for people starving to death because of the Great Chinese Famine. Why do you attribute his success to other factors, while at the same time, ignore the other factors during the Great Famine and pin the blame solely on Mao?
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  9418.  @KrunoslavStifter  Tibet was part of China since 800 years ago when the Mongols conquered Kingdom of Thibet and Song Dynasty China and incorporated those territory into Yuan Dynasty China. The Manchu conquerors of China did a similar thing with Tibet centuries later during Qing Dynasty China. Tibet broke free of China in 1913 but was eventually reunified with the mainland by 1951 with the signing of the Seventeen Point Agreement, so should China give up our ancestral lands, simply because Westerners say so? Previously, while Tibet was under Dalai Lama rule, Tibet was a brutal theocracy, where 95% of the population were slaves and the remaining 5% elites were slave owners. Tibetan mountainous soil is infertile, rainfall is scarce in the Himalayas, so the slaves had to work hard to feed the Tibetan population. Starvation was commonplace and theft of food was punished by torture, amputation and even skinning. There's this Tibetan drum called damaru that's made from human skulls, a drumskin made of human skin and drumstick made of human bone. The Dalai Lama was overly worshipped and his followers fought for the right to consume his saliva, his urine and even his feces, because he was considered a divine vessel. After Tibet returned back to China, Chinese workers began rapidly modernising Tibet, building roads, railways, streetlamps, running water, gas and electricity as well as introducing modern amenities like cars, computers, telephone cables, smartphones, the Internet, WiFi, online shopping (from Taobao) and so on. Under CPC, the first Tibetan colleges opened in Lhasa, offering degrees in both Tibetan and Mandarin Chinese languages. Hydroelectric powerstations were built by Chinese to supply Tibetan homes with electricity. Source: List of universities and colleges in Tibet wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_universities_and_colleges_in_Tibet Source: List of major power stations in the Tibet Autonomous Region wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_major_power_stations_in_the_Tibet_Autonomous_Region Chinese workers built the Qinghai-Lhasa railway (world's highest elevation railway) through dangerous mountainous terrain and low oxygen environments, to connect the normally isolated Tibet with the rest of the world. Tibet can now import food from the mainland to feed its population, and Tibet's population has tripled from 1 million in 1950s to over 3 million people today. A thriving tourist industry has even sprung up in Tibet.
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  9419.  @KrunoslavStifter  The Great Leap Forward was PRC's first attempt to industrialize our country. After WWII, China was primarily an agricultural society, and Chairman Mao knew that in order for China to survive, we had to industrialize or risk falling further backward. I mean, would you have preferred China to remain a dirt-poor agricultural country forever without ever industrializing? Those backyard furnaces represented PRC's foray into metallurgy in order to gain independence from our reliance on imports of steel. If not, how else is China going to industrialize? You said: "Mao hoped to increase China's agricultural output while also pulling workers from agriculture into the manufacturing sector." Because China had plenty of farmers, but no industrial workers. How else is China going to industrialize if we don't train whatever manpower we have in the manufacturing processes? Industrial workers don't just pop out of thin air, they have to come from other stock and in this case, they came from the farmers. You said: "He relied, however, on nonsensical Soviet farming ideas," Those were crop experiments were only carried out in a few fields, and not throughout all of China. Also, there is no evidence that the farmers adopted deep-plowing. You said: "Backyard smelters run by peasants with no metallurgy training produced such low-quality material that it was completely worthless." That's because China is literally starting from scratch. We had no experienced metallurgists so we had to make do with what we have, which are peasants and if anything, those backyard furnaces helped peasants gain valuable metallurgical experience and laid down the foundation for Deng Xiaoping's economic reforms in the late 1970s. It's because those peasants have gained metallurgic experience to operate actual smelters later during Deng's economic reforms. You said: "The backyard steel production plan resulted in entire forests being chopped down and burned to fuel the smelters," Because China didn't have solar energy, wind energy, or even fossil fuels out there in the countryside to fuel those furnaces, so of course peasants turned to the most abundant fuel source which are the forests. Also, the backyard furnaces weren't left running throughout the entire year. You said: "However, so many farmers had been sent into steel production work that there weren't enough hands to harvest the crops." That's incorrect. The backyard furnaces were not left running throughout the entire year, they stopped when it comes time to harvest crops. You said: "Instead of using people who knew what they were doing, Mao used anyone available. Result was bad protection against flooding." Why would Mao "used anyone available"? There are locals who lived along the Yellow River for centuries and know how to control the flooding, why would Mao use anyone available? Central planning obviously used people who lived beside the river to build flood protection, the statement that Mao used anyone available sounds like a smear campaign. You said: "Anxious commune leaders vastly exaggerated their harvests, hoping to curry favor with the Communist leadership." So it's the provincial government's fault for exaggerating the crop yields? When Mao personally visited those fields, the local governors had workers transplant stalks of healthy grain from dying fields to healthy fields to give the illusion of a bumper harvest. That's why Mao thought there was surplus grain to export to the cities and to pay back the Soviet Union for the importation of Soviet machinery. So how can you sole pin the blame on Mao when it was the provincial governments that exaggerated crop yields?
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  9420.  @KrunoslavStifter  You claimed that 30 million people starved to death during the Great Leap Forward (1958-1961) but if we look at China's population statistics, China's population in was 612,241,552 in 1955 and by 1960, China's population actually increased to 660,408,054, having actually increased by 48,166,502 in just 5 years. Population of China from 1950-1965 1950: 554,419,268 1955: 612,241,552 (Great Leap Forward 1958-1961) 1960: 660,408,054 (Great Leap Forward 1958-1961) 1965: 724,218,970 ... Source: populationpyramid.net/china/1955/ So you're saying that from China's population decreased by 30 million from 1958-1961 (Great Leap Forward) yet the statistics show that from 1955 to 1960, China's population further increased by 48 million? Where did you get your exaggerated death toll figures from? Could they have been exaggerated to paint Mao in a negative light? I mean, why is China currently the country with the world's largest population then? Even under Mao, China nearly doubled in population from 540 million in 1949 to 969 million in 1979. China's Life Expectancy at birth under Mao nearly doubled from 35–40 years in 1949 to 65.5 years in 1980 and is among the most rapid sustained increases in documented global history (Banister and Preston 1981; Ashton et al.) Infant mortality rate in China under Mao plummeted from 195 per thousand in 1950 to just 55 per thousand in 1980. Adult illiteracy rate also nearly halved under Mao. By 1959, illiteracy rates among youth and adults (ages twelve to 40) had fallen from 80% to 43%.
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  9423.  @KrunoslavStifter  "神州 Shenzhou 30 million is common estimation since its virtually impossible to have exact numbers because of the nature of policy," My previous source shown that China's population literally increased by 48 million from 1955 to 1960, whereas you claimed China's population decreased by 30 million during the Great Leap Forward (1958-1960)? Have you considered that perhaps Western anti-communist propaganda deliberately inflate those death toll figure to paint a negative view of communism? If you search China's Population 1955, Google gives 605 million people If you search China's Population 1960, Google gives 667 million people That means China's population increased by 62 million from 1955-1960, yet you claim China's population decreased by 30 million from 1958-1960 (Great Leap Forward)? You said: "Even if you take the low estimate of 7-10 million its a unforgivable number, because it was not necessary." Like I said, famine is famine, and in 1958 the Yellow River flooded which coincided with the onset of the Great Leap Forward and affected 741,000 people, submerged over half a million acres of crops (3.04 million mu), and destroyed over 300,000 houses in 1708 villages. Yet all the statistics show that China's population actually increased during the Great Leap Forward, so don't you think the figure of 30 million is deliberately exaggerated? And like I said, China's life expectancy at birth nearly doubled from 35–40 years in 1949 to 65.5 years in 1980 and is among the most rapid sustained increases in documented global history (Banister and Preston 1981; Ashton et al.) Source: An exploration of China's mortality decline under Mao - NCBI ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4331212/
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  9424.  @KrunoslavStifter  You said: "This is not true. Russia was far from backward country, it was a great civilization" Great civilization or not, pre-1917 Russia was technologically backward (that's the point I'm making), with agriculture providing the livelihood for 80% of the population and only 15% of the population lived in towns, and fewer than 10% worked in industry. It's similar to how China is a great civilization, but we were also technologically backward compared to the West during the 19th century. You said: "It was far from backwater, it was very rich culturally but it was not industrialized." Who said anything about backwater? I wrote "Russia was also technologically backward and lagged far behind advanced capitalist countries" yet you bring up cultural richness out of nowhere? And the fact that you admitted Russia wasn't industrialized proves my point. You said: "As for industrialization of Soviet union. At what cost. 20 + mil dead in WWII," How is the 20 million who died during WWII somehow the Soviet Union's fault? What logic is this? The Soviet Union fought the Nazis during WWII and while they suffered the most casualties, the Soviet Union also inflicted the most damage onto the Germans, who suffered three-quarters of their wartime losses fighting the Soviets. So shouldn't we be thankful for the USSR's intervention in WWII, rather that blaming them like you are? Source: Don’t forget how the Soviet Union saved the world from Hitler washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2015/05/08/dont-forget-how-the-soviet-union-saved-the-world-from-hitler/ You said: "Surly if the goal was to strengthen Russia there are better ways." Communist ideology literally transformed pre-1917 Russia from arguably the poorest country in Europe into its strongest as the Soviet Union. I don't know why you rather choose to dismiss the ground facts, that the Soviet Union was not only militarily the most powerful in Europe (that's why NATO was formed) but also economically the strongest in Europe (ranking the world's 2nd largest economy from 1965-1980. Source: Soviet Union was world's 2nd largest economy from 1960-1985. wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_largest_historical_GDP#By_average_values_of_GDP_(nominal) Had the communists not gained control of Russia, it's possible that Russia would remain technologically backward as it was pre-1917. ... (The last few paragraphs of your comment are just "statements" taken by anti-communists, while ignoring the facts that Russia had transformed into the economic and military power that is the Soviet Union under communist party leadership.)
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  9425.  @KrunoslavStifter  What strong argument have you presented at all? You brought up Mao's Four Pests Campaign, but you don't even know the number of sparrows in China at that time, which already reduces your argument to just speculation without concrete facts. You said: "nor does the increase in number of people equal *standard of living increase.*" But China's standard of living did increase under Mao. For example, China's growth in life expectancy at birth from 35–40 years in 1949 to 65.5 years in 1980 is among the most rapid sustained increases in documented global history (Banister and Preston 1981; Ashton et al. 1984; Coale1984; Jamison 1984; Banister 1987; Ravallion 1997; Banister and Hill 2004). Source: An exploration of China's mortality decline under Mao - NCBI ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4331212/ You said: "Furthermore, after Mao died, China was economically it bad shape, and it was not the Mao economics that gave economic boost to China," China's GDP actually increased under Mao, growing from just $30.55 billion (USD) in 1952 to $306 billion in 1980, so how was China economically in bad shape, when China's GDP increased tenfold? Here's a graph of China's GDP growth from 1953 to 1980 China's GDP from 1953 to 1980 1952: $30.55 billion 1953: $31.66 billion 1954: $33.02 billion 1955: $35.01 billion 1956: $39.58 billion ... 1976: $153.94 billion 1977: $174.94 billion 1978: $218.50 billion 1979: $263.70 billion 1980: $306.17 billion ... Source: Historical GDP of China wikipedia.org/wiki/Historical_GDP_of_China
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  9429.  @KrunoslavStifter  It seems that you're still unable to counter the fact that the communists transformed pre-1917 Russia from a technologically backward society into the economic and military power that was the Soviet Union after the communist revolution. And I've actually cited data In China's case, after the KMT fled the mainland, Chairman Mao did seize the lands from the rich landlords, but he redistributed it among the poor peasantry, and as a result, many peasants in China found themselves freed of having to pay taxes to the rich landlords, and actually owning the lands they worked on. Since the landlords were the minority in China at that time while the peasants made up the majority, the end result is that there's actually an overall increase in private property ownership, since the peasants now have land to call their own. That's why every Chinese has our laojia (老家) our native plot of land that we can return to, especially during the Spring Festival (Chinese New Year). It's because of Mao's seizure of lands from the landlords and distribution of land among the peasantry. You said: "It can only end one way. Mass starvation." Look, both you and I agree that there was bad weather conditions involved in the famines, such as the Yellow River flood in China causing destruction of crops and resulting in mass starvation. No one intended for bad weather (not even Mao, whom you like to keep on blaming) and even during the Soviet Famine there was bad weather like drought. The point is that both Russia and China were primarily agricultural countries that were industrializing, so our industrial workforce had to come from somewhere and that's why farmers were recruited to work in industry. Would you have preferred both Russia and China to remain agricultural countries forever and never industrialize?
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  9430.  @KrunoslavStifter  You said: "Maybe that is because WWII destroyed just about every other economy except American." Which country suffered the most casualties out of WWII? You literally answered it when you brought up Soviet Union suffering over 20 million deaths during WWII. Yet you somehow blame it as the Soviet Union's fault when you said: "At what cost. 20 + mil dead in WWII,"? And the Soviet Union even inflicted the most damage onto the Nazis, who suffered three-quarters of their wartime losses fighting the Soviets. So shouldn't we be thankful for the USSR's intervention in WWII, rather that blaming them like you are? Yet despite the USSR suffering the highest death toll, the Soviet Union eventually rose to become the world's 2nd largest economy after the USA (whose economy was relatively untouched like you said). You said: "As for contrast in economies, East vs West Berlin should provide clear example." There's a lot of context to this scenario. As we mentioned earlier, the Soviet Union suffered the highest death toll out of WWII, so naturally Stalin wanted East Germany to pay reparations for causing so much death. The rest of the Western countries realized from WWI history that the exacting of reparations from Germany was what caused the rise of Hitler and Nazi Germany, so instead, the U.S came up with the Marshall plan to develop West Germany's economy. Stalin was alarmed by the West's move. His think was along the lines of "the Allies fought hard to capture Germany, now you wanted to make Germany great again?" So he gave out the order for the military to block any connection between East and West Germany as to get the Western powers to reconsider their actions. But this was a problem because West Germany relied on importing food from Eastern Germany, and eventually the Berlin Wall fell with the dissolution of the Soviet Union. Long story short, East and West Germany didn't really have much to do with the different system, it was because Germany was part of the Axis, and that both sides have a different approach as to how to deal with the defeated country.
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  9431.  @KrunoslavStifter  You said "China was in terrible shape economically after Mao," You have yet to prove your claim, whereas I've shown that China's GDP increased tenfold from 30 billion in 1952 to 300 billion in 1980. You had also earlier talked about the quality of living of China, and my response is that China's life expectancy at birth under Mao nearly doubled from 35–40 years in 1949 to 65.5 years in 1980. Under Mao, Infant mortality for children under one year of age plunged from 195 per thousand in 1950 to 55 per thousand in 1980. If anything, this data suggests that the quality of life for many Chinese improved under Mao. China's education system had also improved under Mao. When Mao proclaimed the founding of PRC, the illiteracy rate of China stood at roughly 85-90% when it was first calculated at the turn of the 20th century, and it began to decrease significantly from the 1950s onward. By 1959, illiteracy rates among youth and adults (ages twelve to 40) had fallen from 80% to 43%. The Cultural Revolution had made it possible for more peasants to receive an education, and similarly, women were also granted access to education. "Women hold up half the sky" (妇女能顶半边天) is one of Mao's sayings, and women were often featured prominently alongside men in Cultural Revolution posters. You said: "Whatever you think CCP has done to make lives of people better, imagine where people would be if CCP did not caused them all the problems in the first place and did not rob them and oppress them." If not for Chairman Mao and the Communist Party of China, there would literally be no China today. It was Mao and the communists that succeeded in the herculean task of reunifying our divided country, when even the earlier Nationalist KMT administration failed to achieve for 37 years prior. I just cannot emphasize the enormity of the task of reunifying China. If not for the communists, China today would most likely be the weak and divided country we were during the ROC, fighting among ourselves instead of the strong unified country we are today. I don't understand why you keep on insinuating that I'm brainwashed, when I cite numerous sources, data, statistics, etc to support my arguments. On the other hand, your posts are full of hate towards Mao, towards Stalin, towards communism without any attempt to at least understand it, except for quoting anti-communist phrases by others.
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  9433. +AM Life Why do you say largest part China population still live in poverty? According to World Bank, China’s poverty rate fell from 88% in 1981 to mere 6.5% in 2012, so why still claim largest part of Chinese population are still living in poverty? Sure, its not 0%, but remember that China is world's largest population, so reducing poverty from 88% to 6.5% is astonishing feat. If every Chinese person somehow attained living standards as that of USA, then it could be possible that Earths resources would be depleted to sustain such large population at such high living standards. If you claim "free environment" needed to grow, then why not look at India, world's largest democracy. It has world's 2nd largest population and Republic of India was democratic since 1947, whereas People's Republic of China founded 2 years later (1949) than India. Yet China mostly overtaken India in virtually every aspect, so what makes you think that China would somehow be better under democratic system? As for Singapore, Hong-Kong, Macau, Japan, South Korea, most of them were ruled by authoritarianism at one point in their history which led to their growth. Singapore was ruled by authoritarian Lee Kuan Yew, and South Korea by Park Chung Hee. Even ROC (Taiwan) while claiming be "democratic" was ruled by Jiang Jieshi for many decades before free elections were held in ROC. The common thing shared by all these countries during their authoritarian rule, was that the country experienced tremendous economic growth during this period. Even today, China's economy is largest than all of them, and economies in Japan and Hong-Kong are said to be declining. I don't understand why you think a radical change in leadership, will somehow solve the economic issues of the country. You think American citizens angry at USA economy are doing the right thing, when they radically vote Trump into power to "Make America Great Again"? True, the whole US system isn't changed, but the leader can always revoke policies made by previous political party. For example, President Obama spent 8 years planning and developing the Trans Pacific Partnership, only for Trump to take over and cancel the TPP, simply because Trump disliked Obama (Obama humiliated Trump with his birth certificate) Because of his actions, 8 years of taxpayers money suddenly went down the drain just like that, because of one man's actions. So how exactly does changing the leader result in better policies? As for China's system, the government always present united front, and any good policies reflect well while bad policies reflect badly. For example, the communist party has to live with the consequences of Mao's policies and because of this, new measures such as age-limits are introduced to prevent people from attaining too much power. Also, the party supports long term policies, like the Belt and Road Iniaitive, which will take decades, even centuries to fully manifest, but China can achieve this, because our government is still expected to remain in power even after decades later. But US government changes every 4-8 years, so it is impossible for USA to have any long-term policies for the country spanning more than 8 years, without another person coming into power to sabotage it. China has many problems of our own like pollution, corruption and so on, but what makes you think giving people more liberties will somehow make them happier? Once you grant someone liberty, it is extremely difficult to retract it. For example, in America, there are loose gun laws, and every citizen has a right to bear firearms. Because of this, it is easier to commit crime like robbing banks, due to availability of guns to the public, than in other countries with stricter gun laws. American Policemen also encounter more danger in their work, due to higher possibility of suspects being armed. The American government is having difficulty in introducing stricter gun laws, because doing so will be seen as taking away people's freedoms in the American citizen's eyes. Therefore, from the American gun law example, I would say China is in no hurry to introduce such liberties to the common Chinese people, if it can be avoided. For example, China is slowly shifting from fossil fuels by stopping any more of such plants being built. But in America, the fossil fuel and petroleum industry are so big, that banning fossil fuels is going to be quite impossible to achieve in such short time. China poised to ban new coal-fired power stations afr.com/news/china-poised-to-ban-new-coalfired-power-stations-20160711-gq3izc
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  9477. ​ @testusersg  I have spoken to people in Malaysia to get their side of the story. Singapore was the one practically begging Malaysia for merger (starting with David Marshall), whereas Malaysia initially didn't want merger and only reluctantly agreed in the end. Yet how did Singapore repay Malaysia? By causing all manner of trouble for Malaysia, such as imposing Singapore policies onto the whole of Malaysia, yet you don't see this as stirring up trouble? Why should all of of Malaysia follow the policies put forth by Singapore? You join a Federation but seek to impose your will against the others? The Malays in South East Asia represent the indigenous population, the Bumiputera, as compared to the Chinese. Yet in Singapore's education system, the Malays are academically underrepresented and tend to occupy the lower rungs of their education system. So the Malays in Singapore are actually at a disadvantage compared to those in Malaysia. You said: "Look at China, everyone is equal. There is no "special status" for Han Chinese. All Chinese are equal in the eyes of the law." That's incorrect. Us Han Chinese are actually at a disadvantage compared to ethnic minorities who enjoy benefits such as tax exemption, priority in healthcare, free education for 15 years (9 years for Han) and exemption from the One-Child Policy, meaning that ethnic minorities can have as many kids as they want. You said: "And even miniorities have more benefits than the majority." Exactly, then how can you say in China everyone is equal when ethnic minorities enjoy more benefits than the majority Han? Aren't you contradicting yourself here? You said: "Fact is, LKY's policies are attractive and makes more sense to the people, that is why UNMO is worried. Because their policies is clearly inferior." LKY's policies were suitable for Singapore, but not for the rest of Malaysia. Claiming that Singapore is not race-based but merit-based is the biggest myth and a public relations exercise that Lee and the American media have created. It's cosmetic window dressing - like many things in Singapore. Deep down it is one race. All the heads of major civil service divisions, judiciary and the armed forces are from one race - just like in Malaysia. You said: "And they eliminate the competition by removing SG." Well, Malaysia initially did not want merger with Singapore, it only did so reluctantly, so why should Malaysia continue to hold on to Singapore when Malaysia can survive without Singapore in the first place?
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  9478.  @testusersg  You said: "SG education only tell the facts. They don't paint m'sia as the enemy like what m'sian politicians do." Claiming that Singapore's education only tells the facts is being rather naive in itself. Singapore's education system is designed to foster patriotism towards Singapore, so if tells the good side of Singapore while downplaying the negative, attempting to redirect blame elsewhere (esp. towards Malaysia) rather than blame the government. And the fact that all this while, you've been regarding Malaysia as the (perceived) enemy already spells the truth that your education system is designed to subconsciously plant that idea in your mind. Weren't you the one who brought up statements such as: "(such as the one always threatening to cut our water supply)."? You said: "Everything that was reported in the news about m'sia are facts understand?" Blind allegiance into believing everything Singapore media says about Malaysia is dangerous. Singapore's MSM is considered to be highly controlled by the government, that's why your media tries to paint Malaysia as the perceived enemy to Singaporeans, in order to redirect blame away the government. But it seems that you've just blindly bought into thinking everything Singapore MSM says about Malaysia is fact, without bothering to do research You said: "Go and check if up yourself if m'sian PM said there are many ways to skin a cat (referring to SG)" I checked it out, and it turns out that the then Malaysian PM Mahathir's remarks were made in the context of growing competition for investments between the two neighbours. Such statements should be taken in stride, pointing out that "skinning the cat" has been one of Mahathir's favourite phrases in media interviews even on issues not related to Singapore. You said: "Go and read the news if m'sia threaten to cut our water supply." I've looked it up, and it turns out that Malaysia never actually threatened to cut Singapore's water supply, only seeking to renegotiate the terms. In an interview with Bloomberg published on Monday, Dr Mahathir said water is among issues with Singapore “that we need to settle”, adding: “We will sit down and talk with them, like civilised people.” (How is that threatening?) "I think it is manifestly ridiculous that you should sell water at 3 sen per thousand gallons. I mean, that was okay way back in the 1990s or 1930s, but now, what can you buy with 3 sen. Nothing," Mahathir said. Also in the first place, Malaysia is under no obligation to supply Singapore with water since Singapore's separation from Malaysia. If anything, Singapore threatening to go to war with Malaysia if Malaysia stops supplying water is almost akin to pointing a gun at someone and demanding that they supply water to you. You said: "Stop making up lies on this youtube channel." Could you point out which of my statements are lies?
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  9479.  @testusersg  You said: "Saying m'sia doesn't do that is simply naive or lying." Yeah, but did I ever said that? It seems the one with blind allegiance to Singapore media here is you, because earlier you said (and I quote your own words): "SG education only tell the facts." -"Everything that was reported in the news about m'sia are facts understand?"_ ... So who is the one truly being naive here? You said: "So, are you trying to say China state media portraying of USA is lying?" No I never said that. You're seemingly employing the strawman fallacy where you replaced my argument with a fake one and then attack that false argument because you're unable to refute my original argument that's all. You said: "Your accusation of Sg media distorting facts against m'sia is simply baseless. substantiate it with credible evidence if you want to make such an accusation." I searched online for "Malaysia threatening to cut off Singapore Water" and could find no concrete example, except from Singaporean Media. They don't even quote the exact words Mahathir used, they just present Malaysia as threatening without evidence. So far, the only example you quote is Mahathir's "skinning the cat" but do you even know the meaning of that idiom? It simply means that there are multiple ways to deal with a situation that's all, how's that a threat? You said: "Don't just blindy believe your m'sia media or m'sian friends." You're the one saying (and I quote your words) "Everything that was reported in the news about m'sia are facts understand?" then now you're telling me not to believe what my Malaysian friends say? I get news from multiple sources, whereas you apparently just blindly believe Singapore media as facts that's all, then who's the one with blind allegiance here? I mean, you've accused me of lying yet you can't disprove my facts. It was Singapore that approached Malaysia for merger, Malaysia initially did not want merger and only reluctantly agreed, yet Lee Kuan Yew caused trouble for Malaysia by interfering in Malaysian policies. After separation, he even threatened to go to war with Malaysia if they stopped supplying water to Singapore (an accusation that has no statement to back it up). I mean, Malaysia is actually under no obligation to supply water to Singapore as separate countries, yet Singapore is the one pointing a gun at Malaysia here. Can't you see the absurdity of the geopolitical situation here? Yet you've accused me of lying when I substantiate my points with evidence? Malaysian workers and Mainland China workers worked in Singapore, yet some Singaporeans look down on foreign workers, even though we are only doing the work that many Singaporeans workers themselves refused to do. Yet you claim Singapore education system and media is not making out Malaysia to be the perceived enemy, then where is this dislike towards Malaysians and mainland Chinese coming from?
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  9520.  @islandbee  said "And some of the restaurants in China are just a weak attempt at copying a Western brand." Firstly, Chinese food is delicious and many people all over the world have professed their love of authentic Chinese cuisine, setting up restaurants to adapt Chinese flavors to their local tastes. If you want something flavorful, try our Sweet & Sour Pork. If you want something meaty, we have Peking Duck. If you are in a rush, just grab a convenient Baozi (Pork Bun) and eat it on the go. If you want something light, we have Dimsum Dumplings. If you like mild spicy, care to try our Kung Pao Chicken? If you like very spicy, dare to try our Mapo Tofu? If you are vegetarian, we have vegetarian Springrolls. And we are Tofu heaven. If you like rice, we have Fried Rice. If you like noodles, we have Chow Mein. If you like porridge, we have Congee. If you like soups, try our Hotpot. If you like seafood, well, you're in luck because Chinese people love seafood too! Food is life and Chinese celebrate our food culture. With such a wide variety of food, people are bound to find something that they like in Chinese cuisine. Secondly, even Americans have their own American Chinese food, like General Tso's Chicken, Chop Suey, Beef & Broccoli, and many more. Even the Japanese have food with Chinese origins like Ramen (lāmiàn 拉面), Gyoza, Mabodofu (mápódòufu 麻婆豆腐), Chashu (叉烧), Harumaki, and so on. Even the Koreans have food with Chinese origins like Jajangmyeon (zhájiàngmiàn 炸酱面), Jjamppong, Tangsuyuk (tángcùròu 糖醋肉) Sources: American Chinese cuisine wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Chinese_cuisine Japanese Chinese cuisine wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_Chinese_cuisine Korean Chinese cuisine wikipedia.org/wiki/Korean_Chinese_cuisine Therefore Western food in Chinese restaurants are primarily meant to appeal to Chinese tastes, just like how Chinese food in other countries are cooked to suite their local palate.
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  9543.  @ladodah  Corruption is a universal phenomena and every country suffers from corruption to a certain degree. But at least under President Xi Jinping, there are ongoing anti-corruption campaigns to crackdown on the mountain of corruption inherent within the communist party. But when is the last time a country like USA for example, had an anti-corruption of its own? Hillary Clinton is a corrupt politician and Donald Trump promised to jail her during his Presidential campaign, but after he became president, no further action has been taken against Clinton for corruption. About the Social Credit System, many foreigners often complain about the bad behavioura of some Chinese people such as spitting in public, smoking in non-smoking areas, jumping queues, disobeying traffic rules, jay walking, driving on the wrong side of the road, speeding through red lights, etc when not all Chinese people are like that. We Chinese feel embarrassed that such bad people represent China overseas, so the government is planning a social credit system to discourage such bad behaviour and promote better behaviour instead. If implemented, this will be a meritocratic system where good behaviour is rewarded and bad behaviour penalised. But if such people persist with bad behaviour, until their scores fall to become unacceptable, then they will be barred from purchasing plane tickets to fly out of China and make nuisances of themselves overseas. At least until their scores improve until it becomes acceptable for them to travel again.
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  9544.  @ladodah  Chairman Mao did not murder those people, they starved to death because of bad weather. In 1958, the Yellow River flooded, which coincided with the onset of the Great Leap Forward. In July 1958, the peak discharge of the Yellow River at Huayuankou was 22,300 m3/s (790,000 cu ft/s) with a maximum sediment concentration of 911 kg/m3 (57 lb/cu ft), 14× and 24× their mean annual values, respectively. The flood water level was so high that it rose up to the top of the levee in several places. This flood affected 741,000 people, submerged over half a million acres of crops (3.04 million mu), and destroyed over 300,000 houses in 1708 villages. It was reported as the most severe flood since 1933. As for the falsified data, that was not by Mao, it was local provincial governments that deliberately exaggerated the crop yields to the central government. Mao even personally visited the fields himself, but the provincial government would get farmers to transplant healthy stalks from dying fields to healthy fields, giving off the illusion of a bumper harvest to Mao when he inspected the fields. Therefore Mao concluded that since there was a surplus of grain, instead of letting the surplus rot, China could afford to export the surplus grain to Russia to pay them back for imports of Russian agricultural machinery. Therefore, Mao was actually duped by the provincial government who exaggerated their crop yields, so Mao decided to export the surplus grain. How is Mao the cause of the famine then?
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  9555. China also once believed we will never get invaded, but 19th century British wanted continue drinking our tea, which China did not want to sell, so they waged two bloody wars with China and force us to buy opium from them at gunpoint, which we didn't want because it made us sick and was poisoning our people. Ports like Shanghai were forced open to distribute the drug throughout China and Hong Kong was also stolen from us. Next during Boxer Rebellion, Chinese people wanted foreigners out of our lands, but 8 nations (USA, Russia, UK, Italy, France... ... even Japan) made an alliance to invade China and kill our people on our own soil. There was even widespread looting and raping of Chinese women. Afterwards, China's territory carved up like pie for the Western powers and China forced make massive payments to them. Japan wasn't satisfied, made 21 demands and also invaded Manchuria, kicking off Sino-Japanese war, years before Nazi even invade Poland. Japan committed vast atrocities like Rape of Nanjing, Unit 731 and "comfort" women. In the past, Japan was starving and tribal country, but China taught Japan how to grow rice to feed themselves, how to cultivate silk for pretty kimono, and even how to read and write Chinese characters. Japan repaid this kindness by invading our lands, stealing our territory, killing our men and raping our women, even when Chinese army had never set foot on Japanese soil. Nobody cares about China except Chinese people. Nobody can defend China from invaders, except Chinese people. Today, PLA is world's largest land army and because of that, Britain, Japan and USA think twice before invading China like they did in the past. A big country with weak army is ripe target for invasion, but a strong army acts as deterrent to invasion.
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  9575.  @hectoOut  "神州 Shenzhou did you hire any locals or you bring Chinese workers along in those infrastructure project?" Building infrastructure is not that simple, you'll need qualified workers and engineers to build roads, railways, highways, bridges, etc. Many developing countries simply lack the qualified workers and engineers, whereas China has arguably the best expertise when it comes to building infrastructure, so that's why Chinese workers and engineers are hired first. Meanwhile, developing countries themselves are training more engineers and workers so that they can take over infrastructure jobs in the future. You said: "Instead of building ghost cities in China now yiu find new way to get your money back." So-called Chinese "ghost cities" are gradually filling up as more people migrate from the rural countryside to the urban centers. For example, Zhengzhou was once called China's Largest "Ghost City" according to the London Daily. But today, Zhengzhou has a population of 12,600,574 inhabitants and a total GDP of 1.014 trillion (RMB) in 2018. You said: "get rid off country of Taiwan and perhaps Australia and NZ next." Taiwan is an inalienable part of China, even Taiwan's own constitution says that Taiwan is part of China. Since there hasn't been any amendments to Taiwan's constitution, then Taiwan is part of China under their own constitution. Additionally, if mainland China can offer a better deal to those countries compared to Taiwan island, then can't those Pacific nations accept the mainland's deal? You said: "Where is in tye Chinese history book says Chinese call other races as their brothers sisters?" Take Pakistan for example, Chinese refer to Pakistani people as our "iron brother" (巴铁) because our friendship is as strong as iron.
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  9657.  @distinctga5811  You said: "America isn't like China, it is not a monolith. It is far more diverse in thought, ethnicity, culture, race and nationality." Likewise, China is not the United States, yet why'd you seemingly want to impose the American way of thinking onto China? China has our own way of thinking, derived from 5,000 years of history, literature from philosophers like Confucius, Laozi, and is perhaps among the world's oldest "continuous" civilization still alive today, whereas other ancient civilizations like Mesopotamia, Egypt, and Rome eventually succumbed to history. Throughout our thousands of years of history, China has witness the birth and death of various other nations, the rise and fall of numerous empires, and yet China has survived the oftentimes violent passage of time to the modern era relatively intact, while other ancient civilizations like Mesopotamia, Egypt and Rome haven't. China is a civilization to be studied, not lectured at. You said: "Lastly, the CCP sucks." This is precisely the kind of remark I get whenever I bring up examples of China's accomplishments under communist party leadership. You said: "If they were so great, they'd be able to keep up with the Taiwanese, Cantonese or Singaporeans." Mainland China has surpassed Taiwan island, Hong Kong SAR, and Singapore. For example, mainland China's GDP (nominal) is ranked 2nd in the world, while Taiwan island's is ranked 21st, Singapore's is ranked 37th, while Hong Kong SAR's is ranked 42nd. according to the IMF. Mainland China is the manufacturing hub of the world and while previously there were Made-in-Taiwan and Made-in-Hong Kong (not sure about Singapore), but they have been outsourced to the mainland, and nowadays, almost everything is Made-in-China. You said: "All Chinese, but only one Communist government: I think you get the point." I do, but do you yourself get the point? Throughout its 5,000 years of history, China has always been under the authoritarian rule of the Emperor and the Imperial Court, and even today, China's political system under the President and the Communist Party of China closely emulate the governing system of China's past. Because history has shown that China benefits from having a strong central government so why is it surprising for you to learn that there should be one government in charge of China?
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  9661. Meanwhile, Western journalists continue to predict an economic hard landing for China. 1990. The Economist: China's economy has come to a halt 1996. The Economist: China's economy will face a hard landing 1998. The Economist: China's economy entering a dangerous period of sluggish growth 1999. Bank of Canada: Likelihood of a hard landing for the Chinese economy 2000. Chicago Tribune: China currency move nails hard landing risk coffin 2001. Wilbanks, Smith & Thomas: A hard landing in China 2002. Westchester University: China Anxiously Seeks a Soft Economic Landing 2003. New York Times: Banking crisis imperils China 2004. The Economist: The great fall of China? 2005. Nouriel Roubini: The Risk of a Hard Landing in China 2006. International Economy: Can China Achieve a Soft Landing? 2007. TIME: Is China's Economy Overheating? Can China avoid a hard landing? 2008. Forbes: Hard Landing In China? 2009. Fortune: China's hard landing. China must find a way to recover 2010: Nouriel Roubini: Hard landing coming in China 2011: Business Insider: A Chinese Hard Landing May Be Closer Than You Think 2012: American Interest: Dismal Economic News from China: A Hard Landing 2013: Zero Hedge: A Hard Landing In China 2014. CNBC: A hard landing in China 2015. Forbes: Congratulations, You Got Yourself A Chinese Hard Landing 2016. The Economist: Hard landing looms for China 2017. National Interest: Is China's Economy Going To Crash? 2018. The Daily Reckoning: China's Coming Financial Meltdown 2019. BBC: China's Economic Slowdown: How worried should we be? 2021 Bloomberg: Chinese economy risks deeper slowdown than markets realize 2022. Bloomberg: China Surprise Data Could Spell R-e-c-e-s-s-i-o-n 2023. Bloomberg: No word should be off-limits to describe China's faltering economy. ... Yet it's already 2024 and China's economy is still going strong.
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  9682.  @abbotsful  Xia dynasty (夏朝) (2070–1600 BC) 2150–2106 BC Yǔ 禹 2106–2077 BC Qǐ 啟 2077–2048 BC Kāng 康 2048–2036 BC Kāng 康 2036–2008 BC Xiāng 相 1968–1946 BC Kāng 康 1946–1929 BC Zhù 杼 1929–1885 BC Huái 槐 1885–1867 BC Máng 芒 1867–1851 BC Xiè 泄 1851–1792 BC Jiàng 降 1792–1771 BC Jiōng 扃 1771–1750 BC Jǐn 廑 1750–1719 BC Kǒng Jiǎ 孔甲 1719–1708 BC Gāo 阜 1708–1689 BC Fā 發 1689–1658 BC Jié 桀 Shang dynasty (商朝) (1600–1046 BC) 1658–1629 BC Tiān Yǐ 天乙 1629–1627 BC Wài Bǐng 外丙 1627–1623 BC Tài Jiǎ 太甲 1623–1611 BC Zhōng Rén 中壬 1611–1592 BC Wò Dīng 沃丁 1592–1567 BC Tài Gēng 太庚 1567–1550 BC Xiǎo Jiǎ 小甲 1550–1538 BC Yōng Jǐ 雍己 1538–1463 BC Tài Wù 太戊 1463–1452 BC Zhòng Dīng 仲丁 1452–1437 BC Wài Rén 外壬 1437–1428 BC Hé Dān Jiǎ 河亶甲 1428–1409 BC Zǔ Jǐ 祖己 1409–1393 BC Zǔ Xīn 祖辛 1393–1368 BC Wò Jiǎ 沃甲 1368–1336 BC Zǔ Dīng 祖丁 1336–1307 BC Nán Gēng 南庚 1307–1290 BC Yáng Jiǎ 陽甲 1290–1262 BC Pán Gēng 盤庚 1262–1259 BC Xiǎo Xīn 小辛 1259–1250 BC Xiǎo Yǐ 小乙 1250–1192 BC Wǔ Dīng 武丁 1192–1185 BC Zǔ Gēng 祖庚 1185–1158 BC Zǔ Jiǎ 祖甲 1158–1152 BC Lǐn Xīn 廩辛 1152–1147 BC Gēng Dīng 庚丁 1147–1112 BC Wǔ Yǐ 武乙 1112–1102 BC Wénwǔ Dīng/ Wén Dīng 文武丁 / 文丁 1101–1076 BC Dì Yǐ 帝乙 1075–1046 BC Xīn (Zhou) 辛(紂) ....
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  9778.  @edwardr8826  South Korea experienced massive economic growth under the South Korean dictator Park Chung Hee. When Park came to power in 1961, South Korea's per capita income was only US$72.00 (poorer than some Sub-Saharan African countries) and North Korea was the greater economic and military power on the peninsula. One of Park's main goals was to end the poverty of South Korea, and lift the country up from being a Third World economy to a First World economy via etatist methods. Park is credited with playing a pivotal role in the development of South Korea's tiger economy by shifting its focus to export-oriented industrialisation, resulting in rapid economic growth and industrialization in South Korea, and this was known as the Miracle on the Han River (한강의 기적) However, he became increasingly dictatorial later and declared martial law and amended the constitution into a highly authoritarian document called the Yushin Constitution (effectively abolishing the former constitution) and granting him dictatorial powers. Park is a controversial figure in modern South Korean political discourse and among the South Korean populace in general for his dictatorship and undemocratic ways. While some credit him for sustaining the Miracle on the Han River, which reshaped and modernized South Korea, others criticize his authoritarian way of ruling the country (especially after 1971) and for prioritizing economic growth and contrived social order at the expense of civil liberties. So what can China learn from South Korea? Its economic growth occurred under South Korean dictatorship.
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  9779.  @edwardr8826  Taiwan had been under authoritarian single-party Kuomintang rule for more than half its life! For decades, KMT ruled Taiwan with iron fist and KMT leader Chiang kai-shek was dictator who jailed and executed dissidents and political rivals (whether real or perceived) in a period known as White Terror (白色恐怖) and declared Martial Law on Taiwan for more than 38 years, which was qualified as "the longest imposition of martial law by a regime anywhere in the world" at that time. But under authoritarian single-party KMT rule, Taiwan rapidly modernized and flourished in what's known as Taiwan Miracle (台湾奇迹) Between 1952 and 1982, Taiwan's economic growth was on average 8.7%, and between 1983 and 1986 at 6.9%. Taiwan's GDP grew by 360% between 1965 and 1986 and the percentage of global exports was over 2% in 1986, over other recently industrialized countries, and the global industrial production output grew a further 680% between 1965 and 1986. And it all occurred under authoritarian KMT rule. Only when democracy was introduced to Taiwan (because the USA threatened to cut off weapons sales to Taiwan if KMT did not introduce political reforms) did Taiwan's economic growth became more modest in the 1990s. Today, Taiwan's economy is in a slump, wages are stagnant, cost of living is rising, and graduates in Taiwan are unable to find jobs locally, so many seek employment opportunities abroad, such as in mainland China or in Singapore. So why should China follow Taiwan's democratization? Taiwan's economy was flourishing under authoritarian KMT rule, so why change to democracy? Because Westerners says so? Why fix something that's not broken?
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  9926.  @PomegranateChocolate  Chiang kai-Shek even served in the Japanese Army from 1909 to 1911. He purged communists from KMT and their removal of Communists from within the ranks allowed him free reign to give himself what amounted to dictatorial power over much of China. When the Japanese invaded Manchuria, Chiang refused to face the Japanese invaders, until two of his subordinates, Generals Zhang Xueliang and Yang Hucheng, had to kidnap him to get him to ally with the communists in a united front against the Japanese. (Xi'an Incident) Additionally, the Communists actually saved his leadership, and it’s often forgotten that without the Communists’ help, Chiang would never have survived as a political force, since was the communists who convinced the officers to release Chiang and allow him to take control of the government once again. Chiang’s efforts against the Japanese gained him some influential friends. And although the Communist General Mao was responsible for much of the damage inflicted upon the Japanese, it was Chiang who got the credit mainly from Britain and the US. When civil war broke out in China, Chiang expected help from the allies, but after a long campaign against both the Japanese and the Germans, the US and Britain were reluctant to get involved in a civil war. His Western ‘friends’ literally abandoned him. He suppressed local culture in Taiwan (White Terror) and was responsible for the imprisonment of 140,000 Taiwanese. These people were taken captive for their alleged opposition to the KMT. At this time, anyone openly criticizing the ruling party was deemed a Communist sympathizer. He held the Taiwan presidency for 25 years. He held the Taiwan under a permanent state of martial law, thus ensuring his power was absolute. In fact, the constitution only allowed for two terms in power, but with martial law as his excuse, Chiang could rule indefinitely. (All of this is taken from an article entitled: 11 Things You Should Know About Chiang Kai-shek by The Culture Trip)_
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  9927.  @PomegranateChocolate Chairman Mao Zedong is the founding father of the People's Republic of China 🇨🇳 and he succeeded in the herculean task of reunifying our divided country where the previous Nationalist Kuomintang failed during the Republic of China 🇹🇼 (1912-1949) for 37 years. When Dr Sun Zhongshan overthrew the previous Qing Dynasty China and established "democratic" Republic of China (1912-1949) China was divided into several areas, we lost control of Tibet, and various warlords ruled different parts of China and even Japan invaded China twice during this weak period of Chinese history. Dr. Sun tried to get help from the Western powers, but they laughed at the thought of China copying their democracy. They even gave away the Shandong province (which had been occupied by the Germans during WWI) to Japan, instead of returning it to China (even when China was part of the Allies during WWI). In the end, Dr. Sun died without ever realising a unified China under democracy. But then Mao Zedong came along, and he accomplished what the ROC could not, and reunifed China under communism, proclaiming the People's Republic of China in 1949 and Tibet was finally returned back to China in 1951. If not for Mao Zedong, China today would still be weak and divided country, fighting among ourselves, instead of the strong unified country we are today. Since ROC failed to reunify China under KMT rule, why should China Ben under the banner of ROC when the PRC is far more successful?
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  9945.  @qqyoung2899  So if you agree that letting Muslims do whatever they want is not a good thing, then what's wrong with Chinese government controlling Muslims and guiding them away from extremist tendencies and providing free education to boost their literacy and job skills training to prepare them for the workforce? Merkel choosing to accept refugees is Germany's own stance, but if Caucasian families are shrinking in sizer (low birth rates and high divorce rates) and if Muslim refugees are flooding Germany, then the country will start to see a shift in population demographics. There was even an anti-Muslim protest in Dresden, protesting the rising number of Muslims in Germany. Video: Germany at odds over its growing Muslim population youtube.com/watch?v=1Cf6dtq0zTc I've gone over the reason why Muslims are not wanted in Western countries, for the simple reason that they are under no pressure to adapt to their host country's religion and culture, Instead they are spreading Islam to your countries, after fleeing their own conflict-filled Islamic country. Why Western government bend over backwards to accommodate Muslims? Are they somehow superior to you, that you allow them free reign in your countries? The German people are known for being hardworking and their excellence in engineering, then why not incorporate some of these positive attributes to Muslim immigrants in your country? Imagine how much more accepting these anti-Muslim Germans would be, if they learnt that Muslims are willing to adapt to Germany? Then similarly why can't China impart some of our positive virtues (being studious for example) onto these Uighurs, whom might have gone down the path of terrorism, if left unchecked?
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  9954.  @koblongata  "神州 Shenzhou We all know Russia has no intentions of talks since day one..." Putin has been engaging in dialogue all this time, it's the West that have been disregarding Russia's point of view. Even from day one, Putin has made it clear that he wants a written reassurance that NATO would not continue expanding eastward, that Ukraine would not be allowed to join NATO. In fact in the 1990s, there was a verbal agreement by NATO to not expand eastwards, yet they've expanded into 13 countries since and are continuing eastward towards Russia's border. Many NATO countries did not want Ukraine to join NATO, yet they refused to put this down in words to reassure Putin, so after finding out that Putin's words have fallen on deaf ears all this time, Putin decide to finally act. You said: "And we all know the only way to stop Putin is for China, Putin's only lifeline, to openly condemn Putin." Russia has been sanctioned since 2014 and they've learned to adapt and develope self-sufficiency capabilities against sanctions, that make even China envious of their self-sufficiency. If you truly believe that China is Putin's only lifeline, then why is it American diplomats like Jake Sullivan and Anthony Blinken are still so arrogant to China, expecting that we bow down to their demands? The U.S is the one banning Chinese companies like Huawei and slapping sanctions on China, yet they still expect China to play along with them in condemning Russia? Who does the West think they are addressing here? The absence of U.S diplomacy is simply startling thinking that the U.S can command China to do their bidding. You said: "No, the Chinese government is teaching Chinese kids that if you want something from someone, just go and rob it, if that someone hired a security guard, then you can accuse that someone of threatening your livelihood, and then you can just go and kill that someone and take everything." If that's really the case then why is it mainland China still continues to leave Taiwan as it is, focusing on slowly reintegrating Taiwan back to the mainland through peaceful means rather than brute force? Even Hong Kong is originally part of China but was taken from China by Britain during the 19th century, yet the mainland doesn't just force Hong Kong to give up their system and become part of China (as it is within China's right) instead China allows Hong Kong to continue the One Country, Two System policies.
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  9955. @UCyRXng9S48e9VJzpTLveAMw "神州 Shenzhou Again, China is not neutral if they are helping support Russia by trading with them when others are not helping them by putting sanctions on them." But a neutral country will continue trading (as if nothing is happening) with both Russia and Ukraine instead of taking sides isn't it? If China stops trading with either Russia or Ukraine, that would mean China is no longer neutral and is taking Ukraine's side against Russia, so how does your logic make sense here? You said: "If you are half Chinese you are still Chinese just as much as you are half something else. You trying to say that half Chinese people aren't Chinese now." I never said that half Chinese people aren't Chinese now, I'm just demonstrating that there are multiple options, not restricted to just yes or no that you insist upon. What if this question was asked to someone who is quarter-Chinese? Or perhaps an eighth Chinese? Or a sixteenth? You said: "When asked this simple question, the person who's asking doesn't want your entire life story." The person's life story is what influences his/her answer to even such a simple question, just like the Russo-Ukraine conflict is rooted in historical complexities that many Westerners often dismiss and ignore. If you study the history of Russo-Ukraine relations, both Ukrainians and Russians are of one people. You said: "If other EU countries are financially supporting the Russian government during this time whilst simultaneously sanctioning them, it sounds like they need to reevaluate their priorities." The EU priorities are to garner enough fuel to survive the upcoming winter, and that's why they are continuing to purchase Russian gas even after slapping insane amount of sanctions on Russia. In this regard, they've certainly got their priorities straight. You said: "As far as I'm aware, most of the sanctions leveled at Russia are targeted sanctions aimed at Russian oligarchs, etc, who are helping to support Putin, not the Russian people themselves who are essentially caught up in this mess and are largely innocent." But those sanctions are affecting ordinary Russians living in Russia. Look at Western corporations like McDonald's, Coke and other corporations pulling out of Russia and they affect the ordinary Russians, not Putin's administration. In fact, sanctions don't work, all they do is create misery for ordinary people that's all. Even those ethnic Russians living in the West are being discriminated against if they refuse to condemn their motherland. Russian athletes are getting banned in the Olympics. Russian tennis players and chess players are forbidden from competitions unless they denounce their motherland. Likewise, many Russian musicians, composers, conductors, dancers and other artists are being forced to condemn their motherland or else face discrimination or being given the sack. You said: "Do I actually have evidence of China giving Russia the ability to get around sanctions? No, I don't." Then you shouldn't be making accusations like China is not neutral isn't it? You said: "When I was talking about supporting a dictator, I was talking about supporting the likes of a dictator like Putin that is unlawfully invading other sovereign countries. Let me know when the US starts doing that and I'll let you know when China starts doing that." USA is supporting Saudi Arabian dictatorship that's involved in a military intervention in Yemen.
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  9956.  @echelon2k8  "神州 Shenzhou No, neutral countries don't get involved." China had been trading with Russia and Ukraine prior to the Ukraine crisis, so as a neutral country, China continues to maintain trade with both Russia and Ukraine after the conflict began. Nothing's changed in our trade relations, and that's how China maintains neutrality, instead of giving in to pressure from outside parties. "They don't help countries that are being sanctioned through continuing to trade with them whilst not condemning them." Neutral countries don't care whether other countries are sanctioning their partner or not, they just continue to do business as usual, that's the meaning of being neutral, and that's the stance that China has taken regarding both Russia and Ukraine. "By not condemning them and by helping them through continued trade, they are not being neutral; they are de facto supporting the country that is being sanctioned and condemned, even if they are also trading with the Ukraine and even if they are not condemning the sanctioned country." Neutral countries do not condemn anything and they just continue trade relations as per normal, which is what China's stance is regarding Russia and Ukraine. If China gives in to outside pressure to condemn another country, that means China is no longer neutral and is taking up a side here. "They don't have to be supporting one country over another to not be neutral when they are helping the country that is being sanctioned by others." China isn't supporting one country over another, China is supporting both Russia and Ukraine. China is sending humanitarian aid to Ukraine as well as continuing business with Russia as per normal, instead of bowing down to pressure from other countries just because they choose to sanction a country, doesn't mean that China has to do the same. This is the hallmark of a neutral country, to continue to maintain relations with both sides. "This is precisely the reason why other nations are wondering why China has stayed silent over this and has not condemned Russia for their invasion and why they are continually being warned not to provide Russia will military aid, etc." Again, because China's stance is neutral. Condemnation of any party is already taken as choosing a side and no longer maintaining neutrality. Also, do you have any evidence of China providing Russia with military aid? Russia is literally the world's 2nd largest weapons exporter, and China is the second-largest buyer of Russian weaponry. "Because if experience has taught them anything, China will say one thing yet do another." That's the experience China has of the USA. During the Biden-Xi meeting, President Xi remarked that some people in the US did not implement the important consensus reached in the November summit. "That's because the options are only yes or no. You're either Chinese or you're not." That's how the fallacy of false dichotomy works, by erroneously restricting what options are available when there more choices in actuality. "Because they are not pretending that Russian government is not doing what they are obviously doing." So since you agreed that EU countries continue to buy Russian gas in order to tide themselves over the winter, then what's the basis of you continuing to criticize China when EU countries continue to trade with Russia? You've literally showing your double standards here vis-a-vis EU trading with Russia and China trading with Russia. "They're not staying silent on their behavior and continuing to trade with them like nothing's wrong with them like a bunch of complete sociopaths." Yes, because China's stance is neutral, and neutral countries don't condemn anything, nor do they bow down to pressure to take a side in a conflict. "That may be, but that's not due to the sanctions themselves, that's due to the consequences of the sanctions." So NATO countries clearly don't care about Russian civilians since they slap sanctions on Russia in order to hurt the living standards of Russian civilians, since that is the purpose of sanctions after all; to hurt civilian populations. And that includes NATO civilians too now suffering under the sanctions themselves and facing inflation and increasing gas prices. "No, they're not. Russian/Ukrainian isn't a race, it's a nationality/ ethnic group." Ukrainians are also getting implicated, there was an example of a Russian-style bistro in America getting vandalized, even though the owner is a Ukrainian and the staff employed are Ukrainian themselves. This is just how little some people in the West make the effort to distinguish between Russian and Ukrainian. "There are plenty of Russians in the West and in Russia itself who are against Putin's war, so anyone who is indiscriminately 'racially' targeting anyone of "Russian descent" in the West for the actions of Vladimir Putin is obviously an idiot." So those Westerners who banned long-dead Russian composes like Tchaikovsky and Dostoevsky are "idiots" in your view? Even Yuri Gagarin, the first man in space is getting rewritten by the Space Foundation. And again, these Russian musicians, dancers, athletes, sportsmen, chess players, are being discriminated against just because they're Russian, so it's as though the West is against Russian people themselves. "I mean, since when is Yemen a democracy?" You asked for "supporting the likes of a dictator like Putin that is unlawfully invading other sovereign countries." you never mentioned that it had to be democratic. And since you brought it up, since when is Ukraine a democracy? "Carrie Lam was voted leader in 2017 amid claims of Mainland China meddling, if I recall correctly." Could you explain how mainland Beijing interfered in Carrie Lam's election in 2017? "Only 0.03% of Hong Kong’s registered voters were are able to cast a ballot, with the election committee comprising mostly of elites loyal to Beijing." The Election Committee is entirely comprised of Hong Kong people themselves and Beijing does not cast any votes in Hong Kong's elections, so the fact remains that Hong Kong people voted for Carrie Lam. 100% of the votes were cast by Hong Kong people, which leaves 0% cast by Beijing, so clearly the people of Hong Kong voted during their election. Who is Nathan Law and what does he say matter? We have just proven that the Hong Kong people elected their leaders, since there were 0 votes cast by Beijing. "Protesting is a peaceful public display of disapproval, rioting is what you described and the vast majority of people who were dissatisfied at their puppet government for what Beijing was doing though them were protestors, not rioters." And what was Beijing doing to them that was making the Hong Kong protestors protest? The Hong Kong Extradition Bill was proposed because of a Hong Kong man (name Chan) who strangled his pregnant girlfriend (Poon) to death in Taiwan and flew back to Hong Kong, leaving her body for the Taiwan authorities to discover. Taiwan wanted to extradite this Hong Kong murderer, but Hong Kong realized they had no extradition treaty. Since the crime occurred in Taiwan, Hong Kong courts are powerless to convict Chan of crimes committed outside of Hong Kong, so the Hong Kong Extradition Bill was drawn up to plug up this legal loophole. But the Hong Kong protestors kept protesting until the bill was eventually scrapped and now a Hong Kong murderer roams free and unpunished. "The Joint Declaration stipulated that Hong Kong would retain its high degree of autonomy, rights and freedoms for 50 years after the handover. This hasn't happened" Hong Kong clearly enjoys a high degree of autonomy, rights and freedoms. Hong Kong was ranked among the world's freest in the Index of Freedom in the World with a score of 8.81. In Economic Freedom of the World Hong Kong was ranked 1st with a score of 8.91. "The recent mass arrests of pro-democracy activists and politicians has undermined Hong Kong’s autonomy and stifled political pluralism contrary to the aim of moving towards universal suffrage as set out in the city’s mini-constitution." The second part of Hong Kong Basic Law Article 45 (香港基本法第四十五條) says: "The method for selecting the Chief Executive shall be specified in the light of the actual situation in the Hong Kong Special Administrative Region and in accordance with the principle of gradual and orderly progress." so clearly Beijing reserves the right to amend the methods of selection based on what's happening on the ground. So China did not violate the Joint Declaration. "Beijing has even since said that they would refuse to appoint an unsupportive Chief Executive even if they were democratically elected. That says everything really." Again, that's part of Article 45 which states that Beijing has the right to appoint the Hong Kong Chief Executive like I mentioned previously. All in all, China did not violate the Joint Declaration. "Again, the CPC has never ruled over Taiwan, yet this is evidently their intention and the only sure way they seem to think they can accomplish this is by invading a democratically self-ruled Taiwan with military force." If CPC has never ruled over Taiwan, then why is it Taiwan cannot participate in the Olympics under their own name? Instead they have to use the name "Chinese Taipei" at the Olympics. And lastly, you're just talking about a hypothetical scenario of Taiwan conflict that hasn't actually happened so how can you claim the only sure way the CPC think they can accomplish this is by attacking a democratically self-ruled Taiwan with military force? If that was the case, why hasn't it happen yet? It's just speculation in your mind that's all.
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  9996. +Adityaa Chaubey Chinese government has provided ample evidence support our claims, including maps and treaties. Also, what about Bhutanese government evidence at all? What right does Indian government have to take on Bhutan's territorial claims for itself? The treaty between India and Bhutan only says that India will help Bhutan, but does not say that India will fight for Bhutan's territorial claims? You constantly mock and insult me for my evidence, but you expect me to believe you when you have no solid evidence of your own? Where is proof of ownership that Bhutan controls that territory, and why isn't Bhutan even publishing its own evidence to support its territorial claim? +Mohit Khanna The Straits of Malacca is so much further from Andaman and Nicobar islands, and Straits is still within waters of Malaysia, Singapore, Indonesia etc. so how does that obstruct Chinese trade? Furthermore like I said, China is big trading partners with USA, Europe and rest of world. You think USA, Europe etc would tolerate Indian blockade prevent Chinese goods from reaching those countries? All you people shown is that you dimiss any evidence I provide, belittle Chinese people and our armies, and still expect me to believe you? If war breaks out, the conflict won't be restricted to Donglong, but in other contested areas like Ladakh and so on. China has demonstrated the ability to take out a satellite in orbit from a ground -launched missile (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-satellite_weapon ) and is 3rd country in world to achieve that currently. The government can also apply cyberattacks (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyberattack#China.2C_United_States_and_others ) and other venues of attack, such as disrupting India's economy and so on. But Chinese people don't want war, which is why the government giving India plenty of time to commit to its choice. War is not in our countries interest, and will only hurt our economies while Western countries continue to progress. The BRICS summit is happening soon in China, and our countries should take this opportunity to discuss issues. We should be cooperating to resist Western influence in our countries, not fighting amongst ourselves.
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  9997. +Adityaa Chaubey The only contradiction in the treaty is that the highest watershed was assumed to be Mount Gipmochi. But it is also explicitly stated that Mt Gipmochi is the trijunction. If you continue to mock my evidence, then what evidence does Indian government have to show for its claims? You have no evidence of your own, yet you continue ridiculing me? You claim Bhutanese troops tried stop PLA road construction? Then where are these Bhutanese troops now? We have claimed withdrawal of Indian troops from our territory many times, but not Bhutanese troops, because they aren't there. So what makes you say Bhutanese army even entered Donglong in the first place? You really think international committee siding with India? Bhutan doesn't even have diplomatic relations with other UNSC members, which are USA, Britain, France, Russia. So why would these countries care about supporting Bhutanese territorial claims, especially since Bhutanese government has not shown evidence to support its claims? China is big trading partners with all these countries, so you think they willing to risk their economies to side with India against China for territory India does not claim as its own, and Bhutan has no proof of ownership? I think someone else here is dreaming, and needs to wake up here. Even if these UNSC remains neutral in our territorial dispute, China still has Pakistan that stands to benefit by perhaps taking the opportunity to expand its claims on Kashmir, while India being distracted by China, Lastly, I don't insult or mock your entire race like what you are doing to Chinese people. Chinese people have been shown to be among the most hardworking and intelligent people, with long history and culture spanning 5000 years. Our culture greatly influenced other East Asian countries like Japan and Korea, and these countries have also succeeded in their own ways and are some of world's newest developing economies. Our culture has also spread beyond to the West, so much that there are Chinatown enclaves in virtually every major city in the world. So who are you to call insult and label all Chinese people "a disease which needs to be treated"? You are simply despicable person to resort to using such derogatory terms against our people.
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  9998.  @Esquera123  Like I said, China has so many neighbors, so marking out China's entire border is certainly no easy feat. 14 land neighbors in total and each boundary has to be settle individually, kilometer by kilometer, country-to-country. If there are any border disputes with Nepal or Russia, I've yet to hear of them from their leaders. But since China successfully signed border treaties with Nepal and Russia, then I'm sure any border issues can be easily worked out through negotiations with those two countries. You think Johnny Harris knows about China's border disputes without actually visiting China's border and looking at the geography carefully and factoring historical boundaries and so on? Of course not, he's just making these videos for the views As for India and Bhutan, I've already mentioned that China has yet to settle border dispute with those countries. China negotiated 30 times with India, and 25 times with Bhutan, yet still our border issue remains unresolved. Even though China has successfully negotiated border treaties with all of other other land neighbors, apart from these two countries. Then honestly speaking does the fault lie with China? Or specifically with those two countries? The crux of the China-India border dispute is because India was colonized by Britain, and the British cartographer, Henry McMahon, arbitrarily drew up India's border with China. The McMahon line was drawn without regard for geography or existing historical boundaries between India and China, and even after the British left India, India still insists on following through with this line drawn by the British, instead of returning to the actual historical boundary between China and India that existed before McMahon.
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  10163.  @Legacy241  Who said that China destroyed our history? China has 5000 years of history and is among the world's oldest "continuous" civilization still alive today, whereas other ancient civilizations like Mesopotamia, Rome and Egypt have since succumbed to history. China has witnessed the birth and death of various other nations, the rise and fall of numerous other empires, yet China has survived the violent passage of time to modern times relatively intact, whereas even Rome eventually crumbled. China has always been under the authoritarian rule (and we still are today) of emperors and the imperial court, because that's how China has been successfully governed for millennia. Not all countries have to adopt Western democracy to be successful and China is living proof of this. Tibet was part of China since 800 years ago when the Mongols conquered Kingdom of Thibet and Song Dynasty China and incorporated those territory into Yuan Dynasty China. The Manchu conquerors of China did a similar thing with Tibet centuries later during Qing Dynasty China. Just look up maps of Yuan Dynasty China and Qing Dynasty China and Tibet was clearly part of Chinese history, why should we give updates our ancestral lands? Because you foreigners say so? Source: Map of Yuan Dynasty China images.chinahighlights.com/allpicture/2017/04/yuan.jpg Source: Map of Qing Dynasty China images.chinahighlights.com/allpicture/2017/06/f114660d2bf5452994135c4c.gif So Tibet was part of China for longer than America's entire colonial history, why should China give up our ancestral lands? China don't want war, but that doesn't mean that China is afraid of war. If America continually attempts to wage trade war and tech war with China and constantly paint China as "the enemy" then why should China quietly accept USA judging China?
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  10166.  @Legacy241  Previously, while Tibet was under Dalai Lama rule, Tibet was a brutal theocracy, where 95% of the population were slaves and the remaining 5% elites were slave owners. Tibetan mountainous soil is infertile, rainfall is scarce in the Himalayas, so the slaves had to work hard to feed the Tibetan population. Starvation was commonplace and theft of food was punished by torture, amputation and even skinning. There's this Tibetan drum called damaru that's made from human skulls, a drumskin made of human skin and drumstick made of human bone. The Dalai Lama was overly worshipped and his followers fought for the right to consume his saliva, his urine and even his feces, because he was considered a divine vessel. After Tibet returned back to China, Chinese workers began rapidly modernising Tibet, building roads, railways, streetlamps, running water, gas and electricity as well as introducing modern amenities like cars, computers, telephone cables, smartphones, the Internet, WiFi, online shopping (from Taobao) and so on. Under CPC, the first Tibetan colleges opened in Lhasa, offering degrees in both Tibetan and Mandarin Chinese languages. Hydroelectric powerstations were built by Chinese to supply Tibetan homes with electricity. Source: List of universities and colleges in Tibet wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_universities_and_colleges_in_Tibet Source: List of major power stations in the Tibet Autonomous Region wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_major_power_stations_in_the_Tibet_Autonomous_Region Chinese workers built the Qinghai-Lhasa railway (world's highest elevation railway) through dangerous mountainous terrain and low oxygen environments, to connect the normally isolated Tibet with the rest of the world. Tibet can now import food from the mainland to feed its population, and Tibet's population has tripled from 1 million in 1950s to over 3 million people today. A thriving tourist industry has even sprung up in Tibet.
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  10178. Westerners have long been predicting China's economic downfall. Here's a list: 1990. The Economist: China's economy has come to a halt. 1996. The Economist: China's economy will face hard landing. 1998. The Economist: China's economy entering a dangerous period of sluggish growth. 1999. Bank of Canada: Likelihood of a hard landing for the Chinese economy. 2000. Chicago Tribune: China currency move nails hard landing risk coffin. 2001. Wilbanks, Smith & Thomas: A hard landing in China. 2002. Westchester University: China Anxiously Seeks A Soft Economic landing. 2003. KWR International: How to find a soft landing if China.. 2004. The Economist: The great fall of China? 2005. Nouriel Roubini: The Risk of a Hard Landing in China. 2006. International Economy: Can China Achieve a Soft Landing? 2007. TIME: Is China's Economy Overheating? Can China avoid a hard landing? 2008. Forbes: Hard Landing in China? 2009. Fortune: China's hard landing. China must find a way to recover. 2010. Nouriel Roubini: Hard landing coming in China. 2011. Business Insider: A Chinese Hard Landing May Be Closer Than You Think. 2012. American Interest: Dismal Economic News from China: A Hard Landing. 2013. Zero Hedge: A Hard Landing in China. 2014. CNBC: A hard landing in China. 2015. Forbes: Congratulations, You got Yourself A Chinese Hard Landing.... 2016. The Economist: Hard Landing looms for China. 2017. National Interest: Is China's Economy Going To Crash? 2018. The Daily Reckoning: China's Coming Financial Meltdown. 2019. Zero Hedge: Seven Reasons Why China Is Facing A Hard Landing In 2019 2020. Forbes: Remember The China 'Hard Landing'? We Got One. ... But its already 2021, and China's economy is still going strong. Yet people still continue to believe China's economy will fall, given that Western economist predictions about China's collapse been proven consistently wrong for over 30 years already.
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  10209. +Global Thinker +nn bhardwaj China builds infrastructure and roads to help develop the economies of other less developed countries, like Pakistan, Kazakhstan, Nepal, Sri Lanka, Bangladesh and South Africa. -In Pakistan, China has $60 million dollar CPEC deal to build modern transportation networks, ports, energy projects to power Pakistan's economic growth. -In 2009 China lent $10 billion to Kazakhstan to develop its industries. -In 2007, China began construction of a 770-kilometre railway connecting the Tibetan capital of Lhasa with the Nepalese border town of Khasa, connecting Nepal to China's wider national railway network, as part of Qinghai railway. -China loaned Nepal $7 billion dollars for construction of port in Hambantota. -China has offered to construct nuclear power plants in Bangladesh to help power its economy. -China has also build many roads, railways, schools, hospitals and hotels in Africa. In short, China's dream is to make Asia and Africa strong, by building roads and helping these economies develop strong, stable economies. But India is against building of such roads, and constantly poses an obstacle to Asia's economic growth. What is India's dream of a growing Asia then? For poorly developed countries to remain poor forever? China does not follow USA's method of building 700+ military bases in other countries, but to develop economic links with countries so that prosperity can be shared. How do Indians expect Asia to rise at all, if we aren't even allowed to build roads?
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  10256. +Captain Midnight If Japanese people don't agree with their PM, then why is Abe's support at an all time high right now? Your article was set in 2015, but right now like you said, they support Abe in militarizing the Japanese army. Also, those that protest are students, who like students everywhere, are idealistic and their world consists of textbooks and not about the real political situation faced in Japan today. So you think the Jews would be happy if the Germans erected a shrine dedicated to Nazism and Hitler? You clearly don't know Asian cultural and dismiss what Japanese people are doing by honoring their ancestors in a warshrine, like Yasukuni shrine. The Japanese Class-A warcriminals should be housed in a war museum, which is neutral territory, instead of a warshrine where Japanese people go to worship. What evidence do you have to show that Japanese were aware of the full extent their warcrimes? Younger generation of Japanese people think "comfort" women are "well-paid prostitutes" generously paid for their services. The following source illustrates this and claims that If they were paid, they weren't victims, but workers. It also says that the women were forced to serve several soldiers in a day, and weren't allowed to refuse soldiers. Comfort Women During WWII deniseworldpolitics.weebly.com/comfort-women.html If you still think Japanese isn't racist, then why they subject such cruelty onto people of other races, by invading their territory and raping our women? Even South Koreans are against Japanese denial of Comfort Women issue, and have even erected a bronze statue of a young girl as a protest outside Japanese embassy. Its not just the Chinese here who are protesting.
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  10278.  @MarkYeung1  "神州 Shenzhou Hong Kong people are NOT interested in becoming pawns of the west. Hong Kong people are NOT interested in independence. Hong Kong people are NOT interested in destabilising the mainland." I never said that Hong Kong people are, I'm just saying that if Hong Kong decides to become a tool of the West, then mainland China will not tolerate it. But during the Hong Kong protests, some Hong Kong people can be seen waving United States 🇺🇲 flag or the United Kingdom 🇬🇧 flag among the crowds, these are the suspected foreign-assisted forces that are threatening Hong Kong and the mainland, so the Hong Kong National Security Law is meant to target these separatists. About destabilising the mainland, Hong Kong's status as a financial hub took an economic blow during the 2019 Hong Kong riots, and this negatively impacted the mainland. Hong Kong is an important financial centre in Asia and the mainland's gateway to the West. If there is continued unrest in Hong Kong then it will negatively impact the mainland's image, especially if the protests are prolonged for more than a year. Even after HK Chief Executive Carrie Lam cancelled the extradition bill, the HK rioters continued with no end in sight. So obviously, the central government needed to step in to finally bring an end to the riots in Hong Kong and bring stability back to Hong Kong under the Hong Kong National Security Law. Otherwise, let the 2019 Hong Kong riots continue for another year, 2 years, 3 years with no end in sight? Something had to be done to stop the riots and return Hong Kong to stability.
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  10290.  @stopwarstop7334  "神州 Shenzhou as said anybody can claim anything in their constitution." So since ROC can claim all of mainland China, that means PRC can claim Taiwan as part of PRC. You can't have double standards now. You said: "Republic of China can claim the whole of mainland but really is still up to you guys if you want to return to Republic of China" Why'd the Republic of China 🇹🇼 even lose the mainland to the People's Republic of China 🇨🇳 and fled to Taiwan? During the Chinese Civil War, the Nationalist Kuomintang had massive wealth (they taxed peasants heavily) they had superior weapons and superior numbers over the communists. Wiping out the communists should have been a piece of cake, yet despite all their initial advantages, the KMT still lost the mainland to a bunch of dirt-poor, ill-equipped, starving communist peasants and had to flee to Taiwan. If anything this demonstrates KMT's gross incompetence in their right to rule the mainland, while at the same time cementing the communist's right to rule China. Why then should the PRC revert back to ROC when the ROC couldn't hold the mainland? You said: "If you want to return then quickly go tell Xi Jing Ping to change back PRC to Republic of China so your dream of reunification can happen quickly." I've previously mentioned that Time is on China's side. Taiwan's ability to stubbornly hold out stems from perceived U.S support, but as long as peace prevails, the U.S will eventually declined to the point where they can no longer afford to challenge China's rise. At that point, Taiwan's backing will be gone and reunification will be inevitable without the perceived U.S support by Taiwan.
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  10334.  @joeburns88  It's not as though Westerners did not copy from each other at one point. The 18th century Americans were copycats of European countries and violated many Intellectual Property rights during the heyday, according to this source: A nation of outlaws http://archive.boston.com/news/globe/ideas/articles/2007/08/26/a_nation_of_outlaws/ Here are some excerpts from the above source: Charles Dickens, who visited Boston in 1842, was, like many Britons, stunned by the economic ambition of American inhabitants, and appalled by what they would do for the sake of profit and he found the city's bookstores rife with pirated copies of his novels, along with those of his countrymen. Dickens would later deliver lectures decrying the practice, and wrote home in outrage: "my blood so boiled as I thought of the monstrous injustice." American food vendors tampered with their products en masse -- bulking out supplies with cheap filler, using dangerous additives to mask spoilage or to give foodstuffs a more appealing color. Candy was found to contain arsenic and dyed with copper chloride; conniving brewers mixed extracts of "nux vomica," a tree that yields strychnine, to simulate the bitter taste of hops. Pickles contained copper sulphate, and custard powders yielded traces of lead. Sugar was blended with plaster of Paris, as was flour. Milk had been watered down, then bulked up with chalk and sheep's brains. "Swill milk" taken from diseased cows force-fed a diet of toxic refuse produced by liquor distilleries was sold. In the literary realm, for most of the 19th century the United States remained an outlaw in the world of international copyright. The nation's publishers merrily pirated books without permission, and without paying the authors or original publishers a dime. 19th-century American producers churned out counterfeit products in remarkable quantities, slapping fake labels on locally made knockoffs of foreign ales, wines, gloves, and thread. As one expose at the time put it: "We have 'Paris hats' made in New York, 'London Gin' and 'London Porter' that never was in a ship's hold, 'Superfine French paper' made in Massachusetts." So America was copying Europe during the 19th century and that's how America became powerful and eventually overtook Britain as a superpower by the 20th century. And it looks as though China is set to dominate the 21st century, if you follow the trend according to Angus Maddison.
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  10368.  @martinlaoshi  In your KFC-Burger King analogy, out of a total of 5 people, you want to go to BK, 2 people want to go KFC, and me and another shrugged and said nothing, so majority of us didn't agree with going to KFC (3 vs 2). Likewise, those who abstained from voting or voted in favor of Russia represent countries that didn't condemn Russia's military operation, including China, India, Pakistan and so on. And while it's true that if you count the countries themselves, majority of them voted against Russia. However if you take the combined population of countries that abstained or voted in support of Russia (including China, India, Pakistan, etc) our populations make up more than 50% of the world's entire population, so claiming that the world is against Russia's invasion isn't reality, because of the different populations of different countries. You said: "I wrote that the act of abstaining itself is not taking a position against the US, not that China never takes a position against the US after abstaining." But China abstained so according to your logic, China is not taking a position against the U.S, when that's clearly not the case in reality. Jake Sullivan and Joe Biden had meetings with Yang Jiechi and Xi Jinping, and it's clear from the outcome that U.S-China ties have deteriorated as a result of the Ukraine crisis, so it appears that only in your fantasy world is the act of abstaining itself is not taking a position against the US. Even India abstained, and USA is planning sanctions on India just like what USA did with China, with Anthony Blinken announcing fresh sanctions on Chinese officials. You said: "Again, abstaining does not mean that China's position will forever be the same after doing so." Forever is a long time, but it appears that for the moment and the near-future, China's position is going to be against U.S at least until USA changes their attitude towards China. You said: "You wrote that the act of abstaining was taking a position against the US hegemony. Not only from China, but from all the African countries and Latin American countries that abstained. that is obviously not true and that was what i was pushing back at." Well, for what reason did the African and Latin American countries either abstained or voted in support of Russia, if not pushing back against U.S attempts to maintain hegemonic control?
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  10372.  @nemaiemoskalia  "Firstly, Putin firstly became president in 2000, not in 2012," I'm still waiting for that guy to list which "ex-wife" was beaten up post 2012 (or post 2000) after Putin was in power. "The Revolution of Dignity started when students were cruelly beaten up by Yanukovych forces during peaceful demonstrations." So that's Ukrainian President Yanukovych forces, not Russian forces, does it have anything to do with Russia? Or is it just blaming Russia for the Maidan Coup in 2014 ousting Yanukovych by the USA and installing their own U.S puppet government in Kiev? The leaked audio recordings by Victoria Nuland are proof of this. "And yes, Ukraine and Russia do have a long history together, but do you know that it was mostly dark and groomy?" Ukraine was arguably at it's most prosperous as part of the Soviet Union. The Soviets industrialized Ukraine, introducing the 4th Five-Year Plan in 1946. which proved to be a remarkable success, and can be likened to the "wonders of West German and Japanese reconstruction", but without foreign capital; the Soviet reconstruction is historically an impressive achievement. The workforce had increased from 1.2 million in 1945 to 2.9 million in 1955; an increase of 33.2 percent over the 1940-level. The result of this remarkable growth was that by 1955 Ukraine was producing 2.2 times more than in 1940, and the republic had become one of the leading producers of certain commodities in Europe. Ukraine was the largest per-capita producer in Europe of pig iron and sugar, and the second-largest per-capita producer of steel and of iron ore, and was the third largest per-capita producer of coal in Europe. All achieved while Ukraine was part of the Soviet Union. "Do you think that modern unit would be better?" The modern Ukraine today is arguably the poorest country in Europe how would it have done better? I'm willing to hear you out, but you just give vague statements without supporting evidence.
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  10392.  @Andy-P  "But recently China has hit a lot of head winds - Property crisis, Covid, world relations, slowing economy." If anything, China's handling of Covid-19 has actually boosted Chinese citizens support for the Communist Party of China. The 2018 World Values Survey reported that 95% of Chinese citizens said that they have a great deal or quite a lot of trust in national government. Comparatively, about 69% felt the same way about their local government. After the pandemic, the data show that Chinese citizens’ trust in their national government increased to 98%. Their trust in local government also increased compared to 2018 levels — 91% of Chinese citizens surveyed now said they trust or trust completely the township-level government. Trust levels rose to 93% at the county level, 94% at the city level and 95% at the provincial level. Source: The Washington Post The survey was in collaboration with 17 Chinese academics, they recruited more than 600 students from 53 universities across China to conduct one-on-one interviews online. In the end, they interviewed 19,816 individuals from 31 provinces or provincial-level administrative regions across China. As for world relations, just recently, the Solomon Islands and Nicaragua switched their recognition of Taipei to Beijing, recognising the People's Republic of China 🇨🇳 instead of the Republic of China 🇹🇼 so world relations for the PRC is definitely improving. Didn't the USA recently applied for 18 officials to attend the 2022 Beijing Olympics despite Biden administration announcing a diplomatic boycott? Video: US applies for 18 officials to attend Beijing Olympics despite boycott announcement youtu.be/Vg3WyImPe7w
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  10405.  @junebug8485  I refer you to an article entitled: 11 Things You Should Know About Chiang Kai-shek (by Culture Trip) Chiang kai-Shek served in the Japanese Army from 1909 to 1911. He purged communists from KMT and their removal of Communists from within the ranks allowed him free reign to give himself what amounted to dictatorial power over much of China. When the Japanese invaded Manchuria, Chiang refused to face the Japanese invaders, until two of his subordinates, Generals Zhang Xueliang and Yang Hucheng, had to kidnap him to get him to ally with the communists in a united front against the Japanese. (Xi'an Incident) Additionally, the Communists actually saved his leadership, and it’s often forgotten that without the Communists’ help, Chiang would never have survived as a political force, since was the communists who convinced the officers to release Chiang and allow him to take control of the government once again. Chiang’s efforts against the Japanese gained him some influential friends. And although the Communist General Mao was responsible for much of the damage inflicted upon the Japanese, it was Chiang who got the credit mainly from Britain and the US. When civil war broke out in China, Chiang expected help from the allies, but after a long campaign against both the Japanese and the Germans, the US and Britain were reluctant to get involved in a civil war. His Western ‘friends’ literally abandoned him. He suppressed local culture in Taiwan (White Terror) and was responsible for the imprisonment of 140,000 Taiwanese. These people were taken captive for their alleged opposition to the KMT. At this time, anyone openly criticizing the ruling party was deemed a Communist sympathizer. He held the Taiwan presidency for 25 years. He held the Taiwan under a permanent state of martial law, thus ensuring his power was absolute. In fact, the constitution only allowed for two terms in power, but with martial law as his excuse, Chiang could rule indefinitely.
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  10450. +Kaimanfrosty China's economy was Communist under Mao Zedong, and when Deng Xiaoping introduced economic reforms to China, China was just beginning the switch from communist market to capitalist, so plenty of laws, rules, regulations were not established, and our foundation was weak and more used to communist system. So how can you start talking about the economy being specialized already to strengths and weakness inline with foreign economies? Our economy completely different to the rest of the world at that time. Back then we had just made the switch so we have to take extra precautions, instead of just letting foreign companies have the advantage. And we want to motivate Chinese companies so the government gave incentives to them. So whats wrong with this? The government needs to maintain control over the economy, otherwise its quite possible China's economy would have broken (similar to USSR collapse) when China made the switch from communist market to capitalist. 2) "The size of population doesn't have much of an effect on growth" What sort of logic is this? You have to raise people out of poverty and a larger population in poverty means more work needs to be done. Hong Kong's population is smaller than China's so the poor people in HK is less than poor people in the mainland, so why make such comparison at all? India has many port cities too. Did you look at the shape of India and notice how much of India touches the Indian Ocean? India has a coastline spanning 7516.6 kilometres, forming one of the biggest peninsulas in the world and around 95 per cent of India's trading by volume and 70 per cent by value is done through maritime transport. So why use Hong Kong simply because its a small port city? 3) I never said people or companies shouldn't seek profit, I merely stated that state-controlled companies have goals aligned with the state, whereas corporations would follow their own agenda (which is profit most of the time) America's economy is great, because American corporations are great, but not much of this wealth is experienced by the middle and lower income groups. That's why Americans complain about being part of the 99%, and the 1% (the big US corporations) control most of America's wealth. At least by being state-controlled, the Chinese government has some control over directing the profits elsewhere, such as into developing the poorer regions in Western China. About US crisis, the US government steps in, but then the US has had the Great Depression before the 2008 financial crisis. China's economy is not as old as USA, but thus far, China has not encountered any economic crisis, because the government is constantly controlling it, reading its economic signs and making decisions with regards to China's economic future. The Chinese state-controlled corporations tend to have a big picture of China's economy, whereas US companies have only a limited view of the big picture of US economy. And each US corporation strives to pull US economy in different directions. I too don't claim to be overly familiar about aviation industry. but the duopoly held by Boeing (USA) and Airbus (EU) prevents other countries from manufacturing their own jumbojet liner to compete with them. Otherwise, other countries would have come up with their own passenger airliner, but the presence of Boeing and Airbus makes it very difficult for them to enter the industry. As for China's C919 Comac it makes use of mostly domestic parts. Even the Jet Engine is homemade, with special single-crystal rhenium superalloy turbine blades that can withstand the necessary high temperatures encountered in Jet engines. Video: China Makes C919 and J-20 Engines with Rhenium Superalloy youtube.com/watch?v=DnwZmDOR1Rk 4) Can I ask how is China's "allocative efficiency of resources" is too tight? Chinese government has been known for being efficient and when they want something done, they get it done. For example, China had plans to build a hydroelectric station, and they went a head with its construction, even when there was protest against the destruction of Chinese cultural sites and displacement of villagers. But if you had taken all these people's views into consideration, then China would never have gotten the project done. Today, China's Three Gorges Dam is the world's largest hydroelectric powerstation, and has been supplying China with clean renewable energy since its opening, to fuel China's growth. Video: The Largest Dam in The World youtube.com/watch?v=b8cCsUBYSkw So it shows China's government efficiency in allocating resources to plan our future. Its all part of a planned economy isn't it? As for USA, its their own solution to their own problem, but by taxing import of foreign goods, you are also creating entity with your allies, and countries like Canada and India haven't been too happy with US slapping tariffs on steel and aluminum, without going through the proper WTO channels. India takes U.S. steel tariffs complaint to the WTO reuters.com/article/us-usa-trade-india/india-takes-u-s-steel-tariffs-complaint-to-the-wto-idUSKCN1IO1WP Canada files WTO challenge of U.S. tariffs globalnews.ca/news/4248573/canada-wto-challenge-eu-trade-war/ 5) Since other countries (African countries, India, etc) seem unable to match China's more than half a billion out of poverty in decades, then why did you say earlier that "The claim that it is somehow unique to china is a misnomer" ? Can other countries match what China achieved, size for size? Indian can't make great progress, because the Indian goverment is too wrapped up with what Indians think themselves. The government can't proceed with big projects, because the Indians will protest. If they want to build a big dam like China, they'll have millions of protest that stop the project before it can even begin. Singapore has many government-owned companies (Singapore Airlines, Mediacorp, Singtel, SMRT, ST engineering, etc) but many of them stay in Singapore and Singapore has a small population so its doesn't have many well-known Singaporean enterprises that have struck it big without being government-controlled. But China has much higher population, more Chinese startups and Alibaba, Huawei, Tencent have become global Chinese brands. 5) Soviet Union were trying to introduce too many reforms at once and social unrest came about because people wanted more of the West. Westerners always complain about China's Tiananmen Incident, but if the government didn't do what needed to be done, China would most likely have dissolved just like Soviet Union. We would lose Tibet, Xinjiang, Hong Kong, Taiwan, and China would be a bunch of different provinces (like USSR) instead of the unified power China is today. You are correct that they had bigger guns. So USA decide to sanction Russia after its collapse, because USA now has the bigger guns. The think with Westerners is that why is it they think China has no right to do what they did in the past? Who do they think they are? For example, pollution, the West has been polluting the Earth for 300 years since Industrial Revolution in 1700s, yet China industrialized only 40 years ago. And the West is powerful today because it industrialized much earlier. So why the apparent double standards between China and the West? We are only doing what West did centuries ago. If you think what China doing is wrong, then you are welcome to try and stop China and hinder our growth.
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  10527.  @PhysicsGamer  I'm talking about writing the alphabets of the words from a different order instead of left to right. Take your name PhysicsGamer for example, do you write r-e-m-a-G-s-c-i-y-h-P (which is basically writing PhysicsGamer from right to left) when you spell your name? Or do you perhaps start in the middle, writing G-a-m-e-r first before writing P-h-y-s-i-c-s? No, you write it the proper way, from left to right, P-h-y-s-i-c-s-G-a-m-e-r because that's the way words are written in English. Likewise, Chinese characters have their own proper stroke order. I'm not talking about how each letter is written, I'm talking about how each word is written. Do starting writing words from right to left, or begin somewhere in the middle? No, just like there is a proper way to write Chinese characters according to stroke order. How is "only one standardized font' choice in Chinese characters, kind of silly? I thought we are talking about stroke order. Besides, all other Chinese fonts follow the same stroke order as taught in the language, do you know of any fonts that follow a different stroke order as the one prescribed? So because English cursive has fallen into disuse, means that it isn't taught in English classes? Just like Chinese calligraphy, there's a proper stroke order to Chinese calligraphy and learning the proper stroke order is fundamental to learning Chinese characters. Have you seen videos in which elderly men in China practice Chinese calligraphy using floor tiles as the backdrop?
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  10529.  @PhysicsGamer  Yes English letters are read left to write. But we are talking about stroke order so how do you write English words? Left to right, not right to left or starting in the middle (see the different ways I used to write PhysicsGamer for example) so why is following the correct stroke order in Chinese characters so difficult? That's just the way Chinese characters are written that's all. "And again, plenty of English words are commonly written ending in the middle - such as, for instance, "middle" itself." How is the word "middle" written such that it ends in the middle? As for the your second paragraph, stroke orders are the way Chinese characters are written, who said anything about neon signs? Handwritten Chinese Signboards follow the traditional strokes of Chinese calligraphy, of course printed signs don't follow stroke order (just like printed English words don't follow any sort of stroke order) but like I said, we are talking about how the Chinese characters are written. I mean, if you don't have a neon sign or printer handy (or even a cell phone) then given a pen and paper, how would you write Chinese characters if you don't know the proper stroke order? Regarding your digital fonts, how would you go about writing those Chinese characters onto a piece of paper? You need to learn proper stroke order else like I said earlier, a 台 might end up looking like a 合 which are 2 different characters. Stroke orders help minimise the amount of errors created while writing characters, of course when you digitalise everything then it becomes redundant. But Chinese characters are traditionally written down, not digitalised until the digital age. About English cursive writing, the so-called "stroke order" is even more apparent, because each letter is properly connected to the letter before it, so it becomes even more important to know the proper "stroke order" About cursive English disappearing, this is untrue and cursive English is still taught in the United Kingdom for example. It's the Americans that aren't interested preserving this tradition that's all.
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  10530.  @PhysicsGamer  Who's talking about the individual letters? I'm talking about writing the word PhysicsGamer itself not about how each letter is written. Do you write the P then u then a then e then G then a then s... in some random order? No, you write it from left to right, starting with P and ending with r. You don't start in the middle of PhysicsGamer you start with P and end with r so likewise, there is a correct stroke order for Chinese characters. Why compare writing Chinese characters to letters, when our characters are infinitely more complex to letters? It should be a comparison of Chinese characters to words itself. Like I said, even if neon lights and printed words don't have a stroke order, then how do you write Chinese characters if you yourself don't even know the proper stroke order? Even English printed signs and neon signs don't have a stroke order, but written English has a sort of way to write of its own. Without a proper stroke order, how are you going to write Chinese characters on paper and still be understood? And in your picture, the 合 is passable but what on earth is that character on the left? Is it a Korean character? Is it supposed to be a 台? Because you clearly don't know the proper stroke order or how the character is supposed to look like, then how will you be understood if you wrote it like that? You show that character to a Chinese teacher and he/she will ask you to write that character at least 50 times more. Because that's how Chinese characters are learnt. Cursive English is still taught in the United Kingdom, the practice of teaching primary school-aged children the art of cursive (often called 'joined-up') handwriting has been a standard part of the UK's curriculum for decades. And if English language users decide not to pass on their language history, that does not mean that China should forget our stroke orders. Is it necessary to learn the stroke order of Chinese characters? hackingchinese.com/is-it-necessary-to-learn-the-stroke-order-of-chinese-characters/ Short answer: Yes.
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  10532.  @PhysicsGamer  But you clearly start with "P" first isn't it? That's the "stroke order" of English, you don't start with some other letter, so that's why there's a stroke order in Chinese characters too. As for the world "middle" you begin with "m" so how do you begin in the middle? You don't start with one of the "d"s don't you? You start with "m" because it's the proper way to write. How does your point stand when I can't even understand what the character on the left of your picture is? I can recognise the 合 but what on earth is that character to the left of it? Is it a Korean Hangul character? Because it looks nothing like 台 and of you don't believe me, show the picture to other Chinese and see if they can recognise what the character on the left is. It's because you don't know the proper stroke order that's why your character turned out like that. You're just illustrating the need to learn the correct stroke order in Chinese. And of course you'll refuse to write that character 50 times more, because you're clearly not a student of Chinese language and you have no interest in learning Chinese, then why mock Chinese stroke order when you messed up the character? No self-respecting Chinese teacher would tolerate such a student without correction, and the same could be said for an English teacher who's student messed up his/her word. Cursive English is even taught by countries learning English. Like in China, people learn cursive English as part of our English language program and Hong Kong SAR Source: Why digital natives must still learn handwriting: so they can pass Hong Kong exams (and write birthday cards) amp.scmp.com/lifestyle/families/article/2085005/why-digital-natives-must-still-learn-handwriting-so-they-can-pass And even in the digital age with keyboards and whatnot, how do you type out Chinese characters? There are 2 ways, phonetic readings or root shapes. Methods under the phonetic category usually are easier to learn but are less efficient, thus resulting in slower typing speeds because they typically require users to choose from a list of phonetically similar characters for input; whereas methods under the root shape category allow very precise and speedy input but have a difficult learning curve because they often require a thorough understanding of a character's strokes and composition. Other methods allow users to write characters directly onto touchscreens, such as those found on mobile phones and tablet computers. Source: Chinese input methods for computers wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_input_methods_for_computers So even in this digital age, correct stroke order is important for Chinese character recognition software to be able to understand what you're writing. Most users use a combination of the two methods.
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  10533.  @PhysicsGamer  Why does my comparison to writing letters from left to right in English to stroke order when writing Chinese characters not make sense? I never said anything about reading a word from left to write, in English, people literally just recognise the word itself (PhysicsGamer for example) just like Chinese characters (my username 神州 for example). But how do you write the English word and Chinese characters? You use the proper method for English words (left to right) as well as for Chinese characters (stroke order). That's the way words and characters are written. Your character on the left doesn't even resemble any known Chinese characters, it looks like Korean Hangul (님? ) or some other language. Because you didn’t even learn the proper Chinese stroke order, so aren't you clearly proving my point that stroke order is important? Because if not, then your character doesn't even look like a Chinese character 台 at all. How is learning cursive a complete waste of time? It generally improves writing speed, allows kids to better string words together and improves spelling. You talk about print, but what if you don't have a keyboard nearby? Using print makes you lazy, you might start typing "r u alrite?" instead of "Are you alright?". And even if you use print, cursive writing has shown to improve a child's spelling, you know how many i's and s's there are in Mississippi for example if you practice cursive. Where does my SCMP article claim that "cursive is faster than print"? Please quote where in the article does it even makes such a claim. And do you know what are phonemes? It's dividing words into pieces Like Phy sics Gam er in order to improve memorization and internalised "pronouncing" of the word as you write it out. And you're writing a simple character 台 using OCR input. What happens when you have to write more complex Chinese characters like the 神 character in my username for example? Try writing 神 without knowing the proper stroke order. And we haven't even touched on more complicated characters in the Chinese language. Stroke order serves as a "road map" on how to write the more difficult Chinese characters so even in the digital age, stroke order is going to play an important role to students of the Chinese language.
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  10534.  @PhysicsGamer  So English words are written in a specific order from left to right and Chinese characters have proper stroke order. You claim that it's a matter of convenience for English then it's also a matter of convenience for Chinese characters to follow the proper stroke order isn't it? How does it undermine my argument? How do I know if you're writing in Chinese? Your left character beside 合 looks nothing like a character in the Chinese language, it looks like Korean Hangul or something else. Because you clearly did not follow the proper stroke order, and that's why your 台 character turned out to be unrecognisable. Did you shoe that picture to Chinese and see if they recognise that character? Hey, you said my SCMP article contained inaccuracies, but where in my SCMP article did it ever said that "cursive is faster than print"? You quoted: "Studies show that joining letters not only helps to increase the speed at which children work but crucially aids their mental processing skills, helping them think more fluently." but where in this quote does it say that "cursive is faster than print"? I mean, earlier you specifically said (and I quote): "The SCMP article you quoted is riddled with inaccuracies. Contrary to what it claims, cursive is slower than print, not faster, and cursive has nothing to do with writing phonemes rather than letters" but where in my SCMP article does it ever made the claim that "cursive is faster than print"? And how doesn't phonemes have nothing to do with cursive writing? When you use cursive writing, you are subconsciously forming phonemes as you write out each word. Your 神 character is passable, but because you said you "never encountered the character 神 before" then you are deliberately left stumbling in the dark, without a road map that is Chinese stroke order. I can already tell that your 礻radical is following the incorrect stroke order, resulting in a strange "curve" when it should be sharp. That's the problem without learning the proper stroke order. Even writing the 申 you deliberately tried to draw a square 口 but because you use a single continuous stroke, you could have mistaken drawn a circle O (when writing quickly) instead of a square 口. That's the danger of abandoning the stroke order. And just so you know, the proper stroke order for 神 can be found here: Source: Stroke order for 神 strokeorder.info/mandarin.php?q=%E7%A5%9E And 神 isn't even considered a complex character yet you're having difficulty writing it without knowing the stroke order. Could you imagine writing some of the more complicated Chinese characters? Like say, the character 藏 (hiding)? Without the stroke order acting as a guide map? Whether you want to consider English 1 dimensional and Chinese 2 dimensional has little bearing on the learning the stroke order.
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  10535.  @PhysicsGamer  I said that English write from left to right as a matter of convenience, then Chinese follow the stroke order as a matter of convenience too. Following the correct stroke order IS the convenience, just like writing from left to right in English. Why is my question "How do I know if you're writing in Chinese?" asinine? What's the context? You could just started writing that character on the left of 合 randomly out of nowhere to a Chinese stranger on the street and since your character does not resemble any known Chinese character (it looks like Korean Hangul or some other language) then how would people know if you're writing Chinese? When you didn't bother to learn the proper stroke order in the first place? Your character could be confused with some other language like the Korean Hangul, say 님 for example. All because you didn't bother to learn the proper stroke order. Where in my SCMP article did it ever mentioned "print" at all? Your quote "This is very misguided, as the sheer amount of note taking and work demands in secondary school require the speed of cursive more than ever." so what it says is that that the speed of cursive is "required" but not that "cursive is faster than print" like you are proclaiming. Where in this quote does it say that "cursive is faster than print"? You said: "One also groups phonemes when one writes in print. That is not unique to cursive." There, you have just proven your earlier statement ("cursive has nothing to do with writing phonemes rather than letters.") wrong, since cursive groups phonemes like in print. Thank you for proving your earlier statement wrong. You said: "Despite having never seen the character 神 before, you were able to tell what I had written." That's incorrect, I have seen the character 神 before (it's part of my username for crying out loud) And by talking to me, you have already seen the character 神 in my username, if not my profile picture, so why did you claim you never seen the character 神 before? How to define "expand less effort"? The number of strokes alone doesn't determine the amount of effort spent. For example, in your writing of the the 礻radical, you had to curve your 2nd stroke awkwardly downwards, instead of naturally to the left, had you followed the proper stroke order. And you had to do an awkward stroke on the left (to make it seem as though it's joined) so it's possible that you expanded more effort than had you follow the proper stroke order. And about drawing a circle O instead of a square 口 for the 申, where did your hand (or pen or brush) position ended up after completing that circle? If you were writing this character on a piece of paper on the wall (or phone held vertically), you would be drawing upwards (going against gravity) if you didn't follow the proper stroke order. The proper stroke order optimises the position of the hand (or brush or pen or stylus, whatever) after each stroke, allowing you to save effort with each stroke. So you can't just determine that you "expanded less effort" just from the number of strokes alone. Additionally, a following the proper stroke order helps in memorization of the character itself. If you follow a random stroke order each time you write 神 then your brain will have a harder time memorizing different pathways to write the character, had you not followed the proper stroke order. Learning the proper stroke order helps you to write other characters as well. Once you know how to write 礻radical then it becomes easier to write 禅, 祖, 礼 and other characters with 礻radical. Just like 申 for other characters. I didn't really ask you to write 藏 character in my previous comment, I merely said: "Could you imagine writing some of the more complicated Chinese characters? Like say, the character 藏 (hiding)? Without the stroke order acting as a guide map?" but since you did it anyway, isn't it difficult to do so without first learning the proper stroke order? Of course Chinese characters can be subdivided down into character components. Like what I did with 礻+申 = 神. But did you know that even each subdivided component has their own stroke order? Here's the stroke order for 礻. Source: Stroke order for 礻wiktionary.org/wiki/%E7%A4%BB#Translingual
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  10547. +coolwitme1 Lets take a look at the individual goals of each East Asian countries and try to understand them. S.Korea's ultimate goal is possibly the unification of Korea. Even if it doesn't want to claim N.Korea, if N.Korea invades than S.Korea is effectively tied up for the rest of the war. Resisting N.Korea probably takes precedence over coming to the aid of other allies. Taiwan's ultimate goal is to either reclaim China or claim independence from China. It can be persuaded to defend its allies or it could try to invade China and try to destroy the CCP from within. If it chose to invade China then the defending force is split in two because it chose to invade China. China has possibly enough troops to fight a war on two fronts if the forces are not coordinated enough although its still a disadvantage. Lastly, Japan goal is probably to simply defend itself. It would probably try to restrict its limited army to defend Japan only instead of aiding its allies. Sending them away to fight the Chinese only leaves the main island vulnerable to retaliation. These views are overly-simplified but are still possible scenarios that a Chinese general can exploit. The US could persuade them to work together but it must first know the intricacies of each nation. My example with Russia was to show that the US has to approach the situation very delicately. US would also be under great pressure to aid its allies if war breaks out in East Asia. I too, think that China is unlikely to start a war but that doesn't mean we can't hypothesize what's going to happen.
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  10560.  @venkatramakkineni  "Truly evolved scripts provide speaker the ability to come up with a series of characters and the order they should be arranged in to represent the word in writing merely by listening to the word. That is the function of a script. English provides this ability to some extent as I'm sure you'll agree. But English does not eliminate the need to memorize words." Chinese characters provide this ability to some extent too, it's a living language after all and it's are constantly evolving with the times, (whereas other ancient scripts like Sumerian Cuneiform, Latin and Egyptian Hieroglyphs are considered dead languages today). For example, modern Chinese call our fathers ba 爸 which a new character. Ancient Chinese called their fathers fu 父 and the modern character for father is derived from adding a sound 巴 (ba) below 父 to get the character ba 爸. So anyone seeing the character 爸 at least knows that it's related to father from the 父 part. Who knows, in the far future, we might start calling our fathers differently. But you can rest assured that the 父 character for father will remain relevant. As for my second paragraph, you didn't really answer my question of "So how would you define "practicality" then?" What's your criteria for "practicality" then? Is the script having been used since 1200 BCE? Is it the fact that Mandarin Chinese is the most spoken language by number of speakers today? Here's a list of the Top Ten Most Spoken Languages according to the following source: The Top 10 Most Spoken Languages in the World 1. Mandarin Chinese (1.1 billion speakers) 2. English (983 million speakers) 3. Hindustani (544 million speakers) 4. Spanish (527 million speakers) 5. Arabic (422 million speakers) 6. Malay (281 million speakers) 7. Russian (267 million speakers) 8. Bengali (261 million speakers) 9. Portuguese (229 million speakers) 10. French (229 million speakers) Source: What are the Most Spoken Languages in the World? fluentin3months.com/most-spoken-languages/ You said: "I hope you'll agree that coming up with more characters for words with each passing century doesn't count toward evolution." But how do you define evolution (of script or language) if adding new words to vocabulary doesn't count? What makes a language or script truly "alive and evolving" not "stagnant and dead" then? The problem is you refuse to define terms like "practicality" or "evolution" that's all.
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  10561.  @venkatramakkineni  How did I confuse written language with spoken language? Every spoken word has a written form like what I've shown with the character ba 爸 for father in modern Chinese. I mean, show the words "father and dad" to English kids and they may not know that they have the same meaning. But show the same words in Chinese (i.e 父 and 爸) to Chinese kids and once they know 父 is father then they'll know that 爸 is related to 父. Because they use the same radical after all. Let's compare the characters/words for trees, woods, and forest in English and Chinese. In Chinese they would be 木(tree), 林(woods), 森(big forest) and they are all basically repetitions of 木 that all. If you show a kid the words tree, woods and forest how likely are they going to get those words correct, compared to showing a kid 木, 林 and 森? I'll bet even English kids can guess the meanings of 木, 林 and 森. -About Education in China, children go to grade 1 at the age of 7 and when they graduated from the primary school (grade 6), they should know at least 2500 characters, and the target made by the China Ministry of Education. -Generally speaking, adults often have a harder time learning a new language different from their first language, compared to kids. Adult aren't as absorbant as children when it comes to learning new languages, that's why many non-English speaking adults have a difficult time learning English while as adults. Same goes for Chinese or Japanese or French or any language different from the one they were brought up with as a child. I disagree with the view that "each character should make a unique sound." Theres only a limited number sounds that human vocal cords can make (as impressive as our vocal cords may be) and it becomes tedious to make up new sounds for every single new word, and as long as you can differentiate similar sounding characters using context, then can't sounds repeat themselves? After all, it's more efficient to reuse the same sounds, rather than program new sounds all the time. "character set should remove the need to memorize spellings" Not sure how I feel about this criteria, but without spellings, words can easily be misspelt and written incorrectly. What Chinese does is that it simplifies the character. For example, the simplified version of 龍 for dragon is 龙 and this reduces the number of so-called spelling errors. But I don't think anyone can completely remove the need for spelling, you literally have to write nothing at all. About the decimal system, even kids counting from 1 to 20 in English may find it difficult. Once they count beyond 10 (ten) the next number 11 is (eleven) and 12 (twelve) comes next followed by 13 (thirteen) 14 (fourteen) etc and the pattern develops. So there's this strange "aberration" of eleven and twelve in the English numerical system. Whereas in Chinese mathematics, after 10 (十) comes 11 (十一) and 12 (十二) which are basically 10+1 and 10+2 respectively and the child has an easier time picking up the mathematical pattern. Hopefully this video better illustrates this example. Video: How The Chinese Language Makes Math Easier - Linguistic Analysis youtu.be/n7jHT7Tumcw
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  10571. +EvolutionismAnti-Science Lie Bombarding me with walls and walls of text in both Chinese and English is not going help your argument and is only giving me a big headache. But I'll try to respond to each point, using only one language. -Big Bang theory only appears to violate both conservation of energy and mass *ONLY* if you assume the system was empty of energy and mass before the Big Bang. What was it like before the Big Bang? If there was energy and mass present, then those laws have not been violated. Remember that mass can be compressed into very, very small space (like neutron stars and black holes) -Primordial Soup experiment is not to prove creation of bacteria, but mostly to show that under certain conditions, complex organic molecules (CH4, RNA, DNA etc) can be created from simple inorganic precursors (C, H, etc) Bacteria lifeforms were much more advanced, and formed *later* from those organic molecules (DNA). Cooking soup will of course, kill bacteria, but primordial soup experiment uses only short lightning arcs (simulate thunderstrikes), not constant heating like cooking, to create organic molecules, but not complex life like bacteria. -Evolution does not work the way you mentioned. Evolving from simple organism to complex creature takes millions and millions of years. To see observe it in action, you will have to be immortal and to note *every feature* of the organism. There is proof of evolution in the form of embryos as human embryos have similarity to reptile, bird and other animal embryo. Humans are not special in anyway, otherwise why do we have tail bones? Why do we have wisdom teeth crammed into our small jaws, while Apes have big jaws that can fully accommodate all their teeth? We have evolved smaller jaw from apes due to cooking food making it tender so we have excess teeth remaining in our jaw. There is alot of evolution theory evidence and I have no time to explain everything. -Black and White baby twins. Indeed, there is recessive genes, which also explain why some people are born albinos or having blonde hair etc. Genetics and Race profiling are different fields and does not really relate to disproving evolution. It only shows that we are one human race. -Adam and Eve example was very confusing, but I think you are saying they contain all the necessary genetic makeup for creating everybody in the world today through complex recessive genes processes and so on. But, new studies have shown that humans also contained Neanderthal DNA (with Chinese having some of the highest) so how do Neanderthals factor into this explanation? Neanderthals were apparently human enough to breed with us, so not everyone in the world is descended from Adam and Eve only. (I hope I am not confusing you here) -Nazi and Japanese massacre of Jews and Chinese was not example of evolution, but *Fascism*, which is belief of superior race over others. Evolution would only have said to occur if Nazis and Japanese succeed in wiping out Jews and Chinese (a fifth of world population) off the face of the earth. -Century of Humiliation is not so much as racial superiority, but because of factors like British wanting Chinese tea, and selling us opium. They wanted China's resources and a market for their goods, but what has that got to do with atheist disbelief in God or evolution? It was capitalism that triggered it. -Indeed, Kong Fu Zi, Lao Zi and many people worshiped one God before creation of Qin Empire by Qin Shi Huang abolished most of their teachings. So we have been building out nation since Qin dynasty largely without belief in God, and has He punished us or affected us? Our wars to reunify China, and other Chinese history was because of our believe in ourselves and not because of God.
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  10572. +EvolutionismAnti-Science Lie Once again you are flooding me with a wall of text that only makes reading a pain and does not help argue your point effectively at all and is just giving me a migraine. -Primordial Soup Yes, Bacteria life is much more complex than simple organic molecules. But the experiment's purpose is to show that it is possible to create SOME of the basic building blocks for life there. They may be toxic or incorrectly rotating, but they were created nevertheless. The experiment wasnt trying to create life (I agree, science hasn't entirely proven that yet), but it is still a very, very, very minuscule step in that direction. There are probably hundreds or thousands more of these little steps to take before we can fully prove the creation of life. Your lighting strike fish pond example is just there to distract me. Of course there were no fishes in the pond before life itself was created. Primordial Soup experiment didn't even have already complex fish as raw input material, only whatever inorganic materials were present back then. I reiterate that the experiment was not trying to create fish out of the pond, but to create the building blocks needed for fish to eventually form out of the water. -Evolution Millions of years is commonly used, because it is needed to balance out the highly improbable probabilities. Everything related to life and biology appears impossible at first because of the extremely unlikely probabilities, but if you use billions of years, then the chances are greatly increased. Its like multiplying very small chance (0.000......0000001) by a very big number (1.0 x 10^999) to increase the chances. Me getting struck by lightning is not relating to the issue at hand. Lighting strikes are the input of energy into the system to create the extremely basic building blocks of life. These examples are just there to distract me is all and to curse upon me bad luck. Hitting the Jackpot is all not done on the same day. Like I said, its a very long series of steps spanning years. Creationists always use this "create complex life out of nothing in a single day" to discredit evolutionists. I mean no disrepect, but even God needed dust (basic building blocks) to create man and to breath (input of energy) life into him. A dog's intestine is already exceedingly complex, and his example is another creationist's "create something out of nothing" The theory of evolution has never stated anything complex to be created instantaneously. -That embryo picture doesnt really prove anything. Modern science has also studied embryos and found many similarities between humans and animals. For example, all sexual reproductive organisms start from egg and sperm, and human embryos also had gills once, but developed different from fish. Things like ears developing from the connection to jawbone shows that mammals evolved from reptiles. Like snakes do not have any ears or hearing capability, but can use their lower jaws to feel vibrations in the earth. Our eyelids have a remnant of what used to be translucent skin seen in crocodiles. Like I said, there are many, many, many examples of evolution to mention in this post alone. Even religious leaders also subscribe to that believe, despite being religious people -Vestigial, doesn't necessarily mean "useless" it simply means that the body can survive without it. For example, our tonsils (globe of flesh in the mouth) is not really related to evolution and we can survive without it. Same for tailbones, wisdom tooth and so on. I also had all four of mine taken out by the dentist. Actually the dinosaurs were all extinct long before the floods, so there is a myth of cavemen and dinosaurs interacting with each other. Big mammals like Elephants, Rhinos, Hippo etc would not have arisen if the herbivorous and carnivorous dinosaurs didnt go extinct. If dragons were dinosaurs, then what dinosaur did dragons resemble actually? Chinese dragon looks more like a snake or skink (snake-like lizard) than a dinosaur. The fact that you believe our ancestors had bigger skulls, already shows some belief in evolution and that the skulls shrunk. -if Neanderthals are humans then did God create them too? Why is there only Adam and Eve mentioned in bible then? Paleontologist have found numerous bones and some nearly complete skeletons of Neanderthals, which is why they can have realistic reconstructions. Lucy was a hominid, an early ancestor of humans. If Lucy and Nebraska man were frauds, what about Chinese Peking man and Java man and other hominids? Numerous other "hominids with names" were also found (Source: wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_human_evolution_fossils) -I agree that China is probably more capitalistic now after Deng's reforms. So century of humiliation is caused by existence of China's own resources (tea, silk etc) was valuable to foreign powers. Japan invaded Manchuria because China has all the resources Japan never had. But, it was also caused by Fascism when Japanese saw themselves as superior to other Asians and my point was to simply show that Fascism is different from Evolution. Zheng He's voyages were grand and for trade, but it was more to showcase China's prestige than actual trade (capitalism). Zheng He's only took cargo of interest to him, like animals, giraffe etc instead of actually trading with the natives.
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  10593.  @bajaxbajax910  These are all the minor arguments they can be easily responded to. So why don't beavers build cities and skyscrapers like humans do? Why don't corals send spacecraft into outer space? Human civilizations are proof that man was meant to defy nature. And man didn't always dominate the Earth, prior to that, during the time of the dinosaurs, the environment was unsuitable for man (or mammals for that matter) to dominate the Earth. Agreed that humans do things like tell bedtime stories, get enchanted by fire, and so on. Humans didn't develop this overnight, they did it over many years. So once again, this is evidence that in future, humans in the far future may have values vastly different from humans today, and who knows, humans in the future may be the suitable environment for Marxism to thrive. The evidence you given for "animals don't laugh or cry" so far is speculative. What makes you think Marxism punishes virtues and promotes corruption? Marxism is all about how the rich (the bourgeoisie) control the poor (the laborers and workers) and how the poor might possibly overthrow the rich and establish an equal society. In order to establish a Marxist society, one must be truly "altruistic", to have an absence of classes, an absence of states and a completely humane society. Like I said above, you have to really treat strangers like friends, treat beggar like kings, treat kings without worshipping them, among other things. Humanity's current mental state is unable to accept such an advance way of thinking, but that does not mean it will not be possible in the future. Like I said earlier, if we modern humans somehow travel back in time and try to explain modern concepts like treating women and other races equally to our primitive ancestors, it's probable that they would regard us with shock and disgust. Therefore, it all boils down back to my original point, that humans in our current state, just isn't suitable environment for Marxism to thrive.
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  10613.  @ZeldaZiplock  1) Even though the grain-eating sparrows were killed, Chinese farmers reared insect-eating livestock like chickens and ducks, and our rice fields had insect-eating frogs and fishes. Sparrows weren't the only insect-eating animals. 2) The local provincial governments lied about harvests and exaggerated the crop yields to Chairman Mao. When Mao visited the fields, local governors had stalks from poorer fields transplanted into better fields to give the illusion of a "bumper harvest" so Chairman Mao believed that there was sufficient grain to export to the Soviet Union to repay them for imported Soviet agricultural machinery. Because the data from below are reporting high yields, so how is Chairman Mao to blame when the local governments lied to him? 3) The Great Leap Forward represented PRC's first attempt to industrialise and modernise. Would you have preferred China to remain dirt-poor agricultural country forever and never industrialise? And China was around 90% agricultural at that time, so obviously the steel workers had to come from the farmers. It was thanks to backyard furnaces that many workers gained experience with metallurgy and this paved the way for China's eventual industrialisation under Deng's 1970s economic reforms. Steel production in China actually grew from 100,000 tonnes to 5.3 million tonnes during the Great Leap Forward. It was bad weather conditions like flood and drought that caused destruction of crops and resulted in poor harvest and mass starvation. In July 1958, the Yellow River flooded and affected 741,000 people in 1708 villages and inundated over 3.04 million mu (over half a million acres) of cultivated fields. The peak discharge of the Yellow River at Huayuankou was 22,300 m3/s (790,000 cu ft/s) with a maximum sediment concentration of 911 kg/m3 (57 lb/cu ft), 14× and 24× their mean annual values, respectively. Source: 1958 Yellow River flood wikipedia.org/wiki/1958_Yellow_River_flood
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  10622.  @CT--gs1wj  The Hong Kong anti-mask law was invoked by Carrie Lam using powers bestowed by colonial Britain. Go blame the British for granting HK Chief Executive such authority. The Hong Kong extradition bill was proposed because of a certain incident. A Hong Kong guy named Chan, brought his pregnant girlfriend to Taiwan and then proceeded to strangle her to death, and stuff her body in her suitcase, before flying back to Hong Kong alone, leaving her body for the Taiwan authorities to discover. Chan has since confessed to his crime and Taiwan wanted to extradite this HK murderer to face justice for his crime, but Hong Kong has no extradition treaty with Taiwan. Furthermore, since the crime occurred in Taiwan, the Hong Kong courts are powerless to pursue justice for the victim's family. That's why Hong Kong Chief Executive Carrie Lam proposed the amendments to Hong Kong extradition laws. Do the HK protestors even know what they are protesting for? Have they read the bill and understood its contents in their entirety? And this extradition bill amendment was not put forth by mainland China, it was Carrie Lam's own doing, so how is mainland China interfering in HK's affairs. Video: Hong Kong's Lam Defend Extradition Bill youtu.be/jP4Dmry984w "This bill is not initiated by the Central People's Government (Beijing). I have not received any instruction or mandate from Beijing to do this." - HK Chief Executive Carrie Lam. And Hong Kong recently had their election resulting in landslide victory for pro-democracy candidates, whom now occupy more than 300 seats in their government, so how exactly is mainland China interfering in Hong Kong's elections? Beijing did not cast any votes in Hong Kong's elections and Hong Kong clearly held elections so what's your problem?
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  10643. Rody Code  Again why are you bringing up past votes in 2008 and 2012? Also the Taiwan midterm elections seems to indicate that the majority of Taiwan people don't want independence, since they voted against the pro-independence DPP. Otherwise, why did they vote against the DPP then? You said "you think a single election win today means majority of Taiwan wants reunification?" but I clearly never said that! When did I ever said such a thing? Can you quote me my words claiming that majority of Taiwan wants reunification? You said "Do you seriously believe pro-unification minority can suddenly become majority in 2 years" but I clearly never said that! Why are you putting words into my mouth here? You said "Unification means become part of PRC which implies majority is OK under CCP rule" but who said that Taiwan will be under CCP rule? China has offered the "One Country Two Systems" policy to Taiwan to allow them to keep their government so how will Taiwan be under CCP rule? About Hong Kong, all Beijing does is approve the candidates, but in the end, the candidates are voted in by Hong Kong. This is part of the agreement China made with Britain during the Hong Kong handover.  According to Hong Kong Basic Law Article 45 香港基本法第四十五條 The Chief Executive of the Hong Kong Special Administrative Region shall be selected by election or through consultations held locally and be appointed by the Central People's Government. If you disagree with this One Country Two Systems, proposition then what exactly do you propose? China offered the One Country Two Systems policy to Taiwan but Taiwan just reject it and did not offer a counterproposal of its own! The PRC fought to regain control of the mainland so why should China grant Taiwan government equal status as the mainland?
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  10644. +Rody Code You were the one who claimed "The majority of Taiwan also don't want reunification either" so all I did was ask you proof of your claims that's all. How does this imply that I think majority wants reunification? All I did was ask you for proof of your claims that's all. And your statement clearly meant that the present, not 10 years ago so why are you quoting past votes to support your current claim? In that statement I clearly used the word "seems" so how is that misleading? And now you claim "Majority of Taiwan never want independence to begin with, nor do they want reunification"? Why do you make blatant statements that you yourself can't proof? Now where did I ever mention that KMT candidates are confident enough to propose "reunification" in 2020 election? Under China's One Country Two Systems, the people of Hong Kong can vote for candidates whereas all Beijing does is approve the candidates that's all. That's part of HK Basic Law article 45, and Beijing does not get to vote for which candidates they want. The most basic definition of democracy is that the people get to vote for their leaders and in the end, HK's leaders are voted in by HK. So how is this not democracy you tell me? The people of HK are voting for their leaders after all. Both People's Republic of China and Taiwan agreed to the One China policy in which Taiwan is part of China. Its literally written into Taiwan constitution after all. I mean if you disagree with One Country Two Systems policy then how else do you propose to solve the problem then? The communists fought to regain control of the mainland during the Chinese Civil War. During the civil war, the communists were poorly trained peasants, their weapons were crappy, and they had far fewer numbers than the KMT. On the other hand, KMT had wealth (they taxed the peasants for money) they had superior weapons, better training, superior numbers, yet despite all these advantages, the KMT still lost control of the mainland and had to flee to Formosa. This demonstrated gross incompetence of KMT in their right to rule the mainland so why should they be treated as equals as the mainland?
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  10645. +Rody Code You're claiming data from 10 or 20 years ago and passing it off as proof? What sort of logic is this? And I asked for proof from your statement that majority of Taiwan don't want reunification either, not for the status quo. Taiwan Internet tends to be filled with the younger generation of Taiwan people, so its opinions may not reflect those of the majority of Taiwan. Most of the older generations of Taiwan people don't log onto the Internet and many still have families on the mainland. I used the term "seems" so how is that misleading? And when did I ever made that statement from weeks ago? Unification Promotion Party is not as seasoned as the KMT, that's why it's not popular. The communist party had only 50 members at the beginning of 1921, yet today the communists are in control of the mainland and is among the world's largest political party, with a strength of 80 million members (around the population size of Germany). So why didn't the communists achieve the impossible? Nobody expected the communists to win, yet they succeeded. The KMT received supplies from USA, but they were so corrupted that they pocket 750 million dollars worth of US aid. Even US President Truman made a remark that "the Chiang were all thieves". As for doing most of the fighting, the communists had smaller numbers so they resorted to tactics suitable for smaller force to fight against a larger force, such as guerrilla warfare. But even after Japanese surrender, the KMT had superior numbers compared to communists, yet they still lost the mainland to communists and had to flee to Formosa? This demonstrates gross incompetence in KMT's right to rule the mainland. The current HK Chief Executive Carrie Lam, won the 2017 election with 777 votes out of 1200, in which Beijing did not get to vote at all. So how is this not democracy, since the HK leader was voted in by HK? The basic requirement for democracy has already been met. I mean, are you even from Taiwan yourself? Then why do you care so much about Taiwan?
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  10649. @NopFor OpposingForce It was China ourselves that decided to open up, under Deng Xiaoping's economic reforms, not President Nixon's visit to China. Also, when the World Trade Organization was formed in 1995, China aimed to be included as a WTO founding member (which would validate our country as a world economic power) but this attempt was thwarted because United States and its allies requested that China first reform various tariff policies, including tariff reductions, open markets and industrial policies. The US imposed additional conditions on China and when China joined the WTO, we agreed to considerably harsher conditions than other developing countries. Why is that? So how exactly did USA help China? We could have been a founding member of WTO, but US prevented that and only in 2001 was China finally allowed to join the WTO. As for copyright and intellectual property, ancient Chinese invented the Four Great Inventions 四大发明 which have greatly influenced the rest of the world. Paper and Printing made the recording and transmission of knowledge much easier. The Compass made navigation much easier and hazardous journeys more safer and reliable. And Gunpowder has greatly influenced the way modern wars are fought. But do Chinese people complain about foreigners using our inventions? As for those countries with poor human rights, how do you ever expect them to escape the poverty and develop themselves at all, if you refuse them loans because of human rights violation? These countries need capital in order to kick start their country's industrialization and progress, and China is providing a chance for them to develop themselves with loans and infrastructure development. Otherwise, what is you proposed solution to the problem if you seem to reject what China is doing? Those countries human rights aren't going to improve themselves at all at this rate.
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  10650. @NopFor OpposingForce How exactly did Nixon help China open up? China ourselves choose to open our doors, just like we can choose to close our doors ourselves. As for Communism, Karl Marx believed that the capitalist bourgeois and their economists were promoting what he saw as the lie that "the interests of the capitalist and of the worker are ... one and the same", therefore he believed that they did this by purporting the concept that "the fastest possible growth of productive capital" was best not only for the wealthy capitalists but also for the workers because it provided them with employments. In short, according to Kal Marx, capitalism was good because it promoted both the interests of capitalists and workers. Who says we hate Chinese products? Chinese brands like Huawei, Lenovo, Xiaomi, ZTE, Oppo, etc have grown to become world class brands. Here is list of the world's top 10 smartphone brands and Chinese brands are consistently ranked among the top 10 in the world. Top 10 Smartphone brands in the world in 2017 marketing91.com/top-smartphone-brands/ Top 10 Smartphone Brands in the World techzac.com/top-10-smartphone-manufacturers-in-the-world/ As for China's investment strategy, if you take all the time in the world to consider contracts and negotiate, then you are only wasting valuable time. I mean, Chinese investors are clearly prepared to deal with the risks and absorb potential losses, then what's wrong with proceeding with investment? No risk, no gain, like people say. I shall reiterate again: "Otherwise, what is you proposed solution to the problem if you seem to reject what China is doing? Those countries human rights aren't going to improve themselves at all at this rate." You just seem to criticise China's investments, without offering a viable solution of your own.
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  10651. @NopFor OpposingForce Firstly, why do you think China has to follow 100% of what Marxism is all about? Under President Xi, China is currently following "Socialism with Chinese characteristics" so its not strictly all about communism, Marxism, Maoism, or other philosophies. It could possible that in the future, democracy would be introduced, but as of now, many Chinese feel that democracy is not the right choice for China. About Intellectual Property and copyrights. in my opinion, IP rights doesn't really promote innovation, because creative people are encouraged to come up with a single good idea, file for IP rights, and then sit back and collect money from the copyright laws, instead of constantly innovating. Then on the other hand, other creative but struggling innovators are denied access to the full spectrum of available tools and materials, because of copyright laws, and they may become 'paralyzed' because they can't proceed without infringing on someone's else's copyright. Thus IP rights may actually hinder creativity rather than promote it, from what I described above Your solution about removing CEOs and letting the workers own the company, that sounds almost exactly like Mao Zedong's Great Proletarian Cultural Revolution, where the intellectuals were put to work in farms and the farmers were put to work in intellectual positions. And you can see the results of Mao's Cultural Revolution on China. The thing is, I'll bet you don't really care about China, I would even venture to say nobody cares for China's interests except Chinese. Nobody wants to see China succeed except Chinese. Nobody can defend China except Chinese. I watched Western media about China, and they literally demonize literally everything about China, and saying China should follow the Western style and so on. Why should China do that? Why can't we do things our own way?
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  10660.  @Fantasy-kx4rz  You said: "In fact, she even said that she only agreed because of the emotional pressure in that moment." What emotional pressure in the moment? Peng Shuai had previously known Zhang for seven years earlier, and she was remembering the times she shared with Zhang, he said he had never forgotten her and he would treat her well, that's why she consented to sex in the end. And after that, Zhang did treat her well (according to her words) they had discussions about economics, politics, played chess, sang, played table tennis, played pool and tennis (her own specialty). And Peng Shuai is not a good person, she has admitted many times in her full post that she was bad and a hypocrite.Peng Shuai wrote at the beginning of her post: "I know I cannot explain this clearly, and even if I say it, it won't matter, but I still want to let it out. I am a hypocrite. I admit I am not a good woman, and am in fact, a very very bad woman." "In the middle of all of this, I never thought I was a good woman. I hated myself, I hated why I came to this world." "Everything that has happened, I deserve it. I have brought everything upon myself." (This line I quoted showed that she consented to the relationship, as twisted as it is.) "I am a bad woman who doesn't deserve to be a mother, but you are a father with both boy and girl." Ultimately, this is a lovers quarrel between the two of them (and nothing to do with the Communist Party of China) and Peng Shuai should take some time off and get her affairs in order and settle this issue internally. But the WTA is demanding that she appear in public to bare more of her private life for all the world to see, based on a misunderstanding of a sexual assault when there is none in her post.
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  10661.  @Fantasy-kx4rz  But Peng Shuai consented to sex in the end because of feelings she had for him since seven years ago as mentioned "A no should be a no and that's it." You said "should be", because in this case the no eventually became a yes and she consented to sex. You're using a very black and white way of thinking that no means no. allegation of sexual assault was not true, and that she was not missing. The email also criticized the WTA for releasing what it claimed was unverified information about Peng without her consent. "Apparently, he didn't want to take responsibility so I doubt there was much love from his side." Zhang treated her well (according her words) and they had discussions about economics and politics, played chess, sang together, played sports (including tennis) and did many activities together. There was clearly a level of love in their relationship if she felt that their personalities fit together. "The rest of your comment (starting from 'And Peng Shuai is not a good person') is just victim blaming." How? I'm quoting Peng Shuai's own words that she called herself a bad person indicating that she's aware of doing bad things in the relationship, then how am I victim blaming? On the other hand, it appears that your trying to victimise Peng Shuai and demonise Zhang only, when it's a lovers quarrel and there is blame on both sides. ... Lastly, Peng Shuai is not pressing charges. On 17th November, Peng Shuai wrote an email to WTA saying that the allegation of sexual assault was not true, and that she was not missing. She also criticized the WTA for releasing what it claimed was unverified information about Peng without her consent.
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  10662.  @Fantasy-kx4rz  It was consensual, Peng Shuai wrote in her post that she consented to sex in the end. "It would have still been a 'no' if she weren't under emotional distress, taken advantage of by a much older and more powerful man." But the no has morphed into a yes, she consented to sex. The day after that, Peng Shuai renewed her love for Zhang as she wrote in her post. She wrote: Taking into consideration the affection I had for you seven years ago, I agreed... yes, we had sex. Romantic attraction is such a complicated thing that explain it clearly. From that day on, I renewed my love for you. "How do you know for sure? Have you been there?" Peng Shuai did not press any charges of sexual assault, and she repeatedly said that the allegations of sexual assault are not true. Recently, Singaporean Newspaper Lianhe Zaobao interviewed Peng Shuai and she once again denied the allegations of sexual assault. "He left her two times without saying anything. He put guards in front of the door when they had sex so noone could leave or enter. He said "I hate you". Does that sound like he truely loved her?" That "I hate you" was before she consented to sex, but the day after, she renewed her love for him. Here's what she wrote and the examples of activities they shared together Throughout my time with you after that, purely based on our interactions, you were a very good person, and you treated me well. We talking about recent history, as well as ancient eras. You educated me on so many topics, and we had discussions about economics, politics. We never ran out of things to talk about. We played chess, sang, played table tennis, played pool and also played tennis together. We always had endless fun. It was as if our personalities fit perfectly together. You are ignoring the good points and just trying to demonize Zhang while trying to victimize Peng Shuai. "Also, Peng Shuai not pressing charges doesn't prove anything." At the very least, it shows that's Peng Shuai's private affair. Here's Singapore reporter interviewing Peng Shuai where she denied that she had made any accusations, saying in Mandarin "I have never said or written that anyone has sexually assaulted me, I have to clearly stress this point", and that there had been misunderstandings about her post on Weibo. Video:youtu.be/ZF9Owb9uSOE
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  10663.  @Fantasy-kx4rz  "No, it was not and you won't find her writing that she consented to it either. If so, then please quote it." Here, let me quote Peng Shuai's own words saying that she consented to sex: Taking into consideration the affection I had for you seven years ago, I agreed... yes, we had sex. Romantic attraction is such a complicated thing that explain it clearly. From that day on, I renewed my love for you. You said: "You write that like it happened magically. Any no can 'morph' into a yes if you put the other party under enough emotional pressure and this was clearly given here." Because the "no" transformed into a "yes," and if you read her words, Peng Shuai renewed her love for Zhang Gaoli, so isn't it magical? Even Peng Shuai remarked that Romantic attraction is such a complicated thing, so it may have been magical in her eyes. And thus far, even you failed to show how the "no" remained a "no", then what's the basis for your claims of sexual assault? You said: "Again, her not pressing charges doesn't prove anything." It clearly means that she's not pressing charges and her post doesn't even have any allegations of sexual assault, then what are you going to do? Press charges in her place? You said: "Also, she denied all of this after weeks." Again, it's because she's trying to keep a low profile until this all blows over, that's why she's been avoiding the public eye all this time. But the WTA is demanding that she appear in public to bare her private life for all the world to see. You said: "We don't know what happened in the meantime so that's not really a prove either." So that's only speculation that "something happened" in the meantime, but you don't have proof that something really happened? You said: "Maybe she did, but he obviously never truely loved her. The 'I hate you' is prove enough for that. Noone says that to someone he or she loves." Again, your being one-sided. People who love each other sometimes say things to hurt each other (like Peng Shuai said, Romance is complicated) and quarreling lovers sometimes say "I hate you" in their arguments. Also, the "I hate you" was spoken before she consented to sex. You said: "Peng Shuai obviously still had feelings for Zhang, hence the romantic words," So since you admit that she had feelings for Zhang, then why is it inconceivable to you that she consented to sex? Zhang clearly treated Peng Shuai well after that, she said he was a very good person to her, and they had discussions about history, economics, politics, sang and played chess and sports like table tennis, pool and also tennis (her speciality). She describes it as "always having endless fun", ... Peng Shuai herself has repeatedly denied the allegations of sexual assault, she said in Mandarin: "I have never said or written that anyone has sexually assaulted me, I have to clearly stress this point", and that there had been misunderstandings about her post on Weibo. She also stated that the state media translation of her earlier email to Simon denying allegations of sexual assault was accurate. Video:youtu.be/ZF9Owb9uSOE
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  10664.  @Fantasy-kx4rz  "Read it again and tell me where she used the word 'consent'. She only said that she agreed" Do I really need to teach you English now? Agreed = Consent. They are synonyms in the English language, just like concur, accede, accept, and so on. Or let's look at Peng Shuai's words in Chinese, she said: 是的就是我们发生性关系了 "I agreed... we had sex" You said: "She said 'no' in the beginning, meaning she didn't want to have sex." But the "no" transformed into a "yes" afterwards, and she renewed her love for him from that day onwards. Peng Shuai wrote in Chinese 从那日后我再次打开了对你的爱 "From that day on I opened my love for you again" so isn't it magical in this sense? You said: "Also, she 'renewed' her love AFTER they had sex, so no, this is not 'magical'." So clearly this means that the "no" has morphed into a "yes" since she renewed her love AFTER she consented/agreed to have sex. Then why is it not magical? You said: "Peng Shuai even said herself that she was forced to have sex, read her post again." That was before. But the "no" has changed into a "yes", and you have no evidence that the "no" remained a "no". You said: "How do you know this? Any proof for this claim?" Because she did not show up in social media for weeks? This means she's laying low and avoiding the public eye, but the WTA constantly calls unwanted attention to her time and time again. You said: "I never said that I have proof that something happened. How should I? I only said that we don't know, hence we should be careful with any assumptions." So you have no proof that "something happened" in the meantime. Then why do you seemingly have the assumption that something happened? You said: "Yes, but you don't say "I hate you", not when you truely love somebody." Lovers might say such a unpleasant thing in the heat of the moment during a lover's quarrel. I mean, even outside of romantic love, in a loving family, a small kid might suddenly throw a tantrum and shout "I hate you" to his/her parents. But as time goes by, both the parents and kid know that he/she didn't really mean those words "I hate you" so why are you claiming that this 3 words define their relationship when it's obviously more complex than that? You said: "It also doesn't matter when it was spoken. In fact, since it was spoken before they had sex, this likely served to further increase the emotional pressure on her." Yes, the "I hate you" was spoken before she consented to sex, and afterwards, she renewed her love for him and they had discussions about history, economics, politics, sang together, played chess, pool, table tennis, tennis (her specialty) and Peng Shuai truly felt that their personalities matched and had fun everyday. So obvious, Zhang didn't mean those words "I hate you" if he treated her so well afterwards. You said: "Because that's not the whole picture. The whole picture is that Zhang took advantage of Peng Shuai's emotional insecurity in this moment, emotionally abusing her to spend some time with her and left her when he had enough of her." Again, that's your own one-sided picture in your obvious attempts to victimize Peng Shuai while demonizing Zhang Gaoli, you repeatedly ignored the times Peng Shuai knew she was a bad woman. And this is not my own words, Peng Shuai herself said: "I know I cannot explain this clearly, and even if I say it, it won't matter, but I still want to let it out. I am a hypocrite. I admit I am not a good woman, and am in fact, a very very bad woman." "In the middle of all of this, I never thought I was a good woman. I hated myself, I hated why I came to this world." "Everything that has happened, I deserve it. I have brought everything upon myself." (This line I quoted showed that she consented to the relationship, as twisted as it is.) "I am a bad woman who doesn't deserve to be a mother, but you are a father with both boy and girl." You said: "I have already replied to that, this doesn't prove anything as she said that weeks after the actual incident." It proves that Peng Shuai is not pressing charges, and she has repeatedly told WTA that the allegations were false. And I don't understand what you mean as she said the weeks after the actual incident, are you implying "something happened" in the meantime, without any proof? Peng Shuai's private affairs are her own, and frankly none of your business and none of my business, and most importantly, none of the WTA's business. Peng Shuai has expressed the desire for her personal privacy to be respected in a video call with IOC, but the WTA is demanding that she appear in public to bare her private life details, instead of respecting her wishes for privacy.
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  10665.  @Fantasy-kx4rz  "Tell me: If someone points a gun at you and wants you to agree to something, then you agree." But Zhang Gaoli didn't point a gun at Peng Shuai and force her to have sex with him, she agreed because of her feelings for him. If at first you don't want to buy a product from a salesman, but after some persuasion, the salesman manages to convince to buy his product, then you agreed in the end. You said: "She said yes because she was under emotional pressure, how often do you want me to repeat this?" So you agreed that the "no" transformed into a "yes" then. I only repeated because you seem to think the "no" remained a "no", which is not true. You said: "Once again, it was changed into a 'yes', because there was emotional pressure on her." So once again you agreed that the "no" transformed into a "yes" then. Then we have confirmed this, and you have no proof that the "no" remained a "no". You said: "And she wrote the post AFTER all this, so it wasn't 'before'." But in the post, she wrote the "I hate you" before she had sex. You said: "No, this doesn't mean she's laying low. This is no proof whatsoever." Not going on social media for weeks means that she's keeping a low profile, because clearly, she's not as prominent socially as before. That means she's laying low. You said: "Strawman from your side. I never said that something happened." I was probing you for your view, and now we have confirmation that you never said "something happened" during the meantime then. Alright, so if there's no assumption that something happened during those weeks then, then why did you say earlier that "this doesn't prove anything as she said that weeks after the actual incident."? You said: "You're misinterpreting things such that they fit into your narrative of a love relationship which was clearly not given in this case." It was a love relationship given that Peng Shuai and Zhang Gaoli spent time together, and he treated her well (according to her words) they had discussions about history, economics, politics, sang together, played chess, pool, table tennis, tennis, and Peng Shuai remarked that they "had endless fun". You said: "He didn't treat her well, he ghosted her." That was before she consented to sex. I mean, it's evident that you trying to wholly victimize Peng Shuai and wholly demonize Zhang Gaoli, when it's apparent that it's their own lover's quarrel and she consented to the sex and the relationship, even knowing that Zhang was married. You said: "I could blame you for the exact opposite, you're obviously attempting to demonize Peng Shuai. The difference between us is, that I see the full picture while you create your own narrative." I pointed out that Peng Shuai is not a good person, and she has admitted many times in her full post that she was bad and a hypocrite, but how's this demonizing Peng Shuai? On the other hand, you absolutely refuse to acknowledge anything good that Zhang Gaoli did, even though it's evident from Peng Shuai's words that she consented to sex and she enjoyed her time with him. Then you're not showing the whole picture, only your one-sided narrative that's all. You said: "Let me ask you another question: If the post had no bad intentions whatsoever, then why was it removed from chinese social media?" Possibly Peng Shuai removed it because she found it too embarrassing? In Chinese culture, it's still considered shameful for a woman to date a much older guy (especially a married one) and that's probably way she kept saying that she's been a bad woman (her words, not mine). ... At the end of the day, this is Peng Shuai and Zhang Gaoli's private affair and it's up to themselves to settle their differences. It's frankly none of your business and none of my business, and most certainly none of the WTA's business. Peng Shuai has expressed the desire for her personal privacy to be respected in a video call with IOC, but the WTA is demanding that she appear in public to bare her private life details, instead of respecting her wishes for privacy.
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  10666.  @Fantasy-kx4rz  You quoted "What Consent looks like" by rainn but what the heck is rainn? Is it a world recognised organisation that have authority over everything to do with sexual assault all over the world? Otherwise all you done is quote one definition of consent that's all, it does not mean that it's definition is recognised by the world. "Unequal power dynamics, such as engaging with an employee or student, also mean that consent cannot be freely given." You said the relationship between Zhang and Peng falls in this category of unequal power dynamics, but Peng Shuai is Not Zhang's employee or student then how does your comparison make sense? And the guard standing outside the door was to watch for Zhang's wife in case she decided to intrude. Even Peng Shuai confirmed this when she wrote: "someone helped guard outside, because nobody would believe that a wife would allow this." So your claim that I don't know the difference between "agree" and "consent" is only exposing your own ignorance that's all. I base my arguments on what she wrote on Weibo, whereas you perform all sorts of mental gymnastics just to argue your point. As for your last paragraph, I clearly stated that it's a possibility that Peng Shuai removed the post on her own, because it was embarrassing and airing out her personal private affairs was attracting unwanted attention. We know this because in the video call with IOC, Peng Shuai expressed her desire for privacy, but it appears that the WTA would have none of that and they are demanding that she appear in public to bare her private life for all the world to see. On 7 Feb 2022, Peng Shuai announced her retirement from competitive tennis and that there had been a huge misunderstanding surrounding the accusation of Zhang, her disappearance from the Chinese internet, and her well-being, reiterating "I never said anyone sexually assaulted me". Peng also said the Weibo “post resulted in an enormous misunderstanding from the outside world. My wish is that the meaning of this post no longer be skewed” and claimed that she erased it. So it turns out I was right after all and that Peng Shuai erased the post on her own accord.
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  10667.  @Fantasy-kx4rz  So just because rainn is based in the United States, then it doesn't mean that it can speak on behalf of the rest of the world. And I didn't accept the definition, I merely pointed out that the relationship between Peng and Zhang doesn't even fall under the category of unequal power dynamics, since Peng is not Zhang's employee or student, which shows that you don't understand what the category even means. I said I was right about Peng Shuai erasing the post on her own accord, she even mentioned it on February 7, 2022, during her participation in French sports newspaper L'Équipe. Peng Shuai has been telling the Western world that they have mistaken her post so many times. We've even gone through Peng Shuai's post on Weibo several times, where there are no allegations of sexual assault in her post (you've repeatedly failed to point out where in her post did she ever said she was sexually assaulted) and she clearly stated that she consented to sex. You claimed the relationship falls under the category of unequal power dynamics, but Peng Shuai is not Zhang' employee or student so Zhang doesn't have any such power over her. What exhaustive explanation have you given? You literally quote external sources instead of looking at what Peng Shuai wrote on her post. You've repeatedly failed to highlight where in Peng Shua's post did she ever said she was sexually assaulted, whereas I pointed out the words where she consented to sex, and they resumed their long-term on-and-off relationship. This time they had discussions about economics, politics, played chess, sang, played table tennis, played pool and tennis, so it was apparent that she consented to the sex and now the relationship that followed. How is this relationship one of "unequal power dynamics" you've failed to explain. I've already made the conclusion that at the end of the day, this is Peng Shuai and Zhang Gaoli's private affair and it's up to themselves to settle their differences. It's frankly none of your business and none of my business, and most certainly none of the WTA's business. Peng Shuai has expressed the desire for her personal privacy to be respected in a video call with IOC, but the WTA is demanding that she appear in public to bare her private life details, instead of respecting her wishes for privacy. Peng Shuai has stated multiple times now that the Western world has misunderstood her Weibo post, and she has made it very clear that there are no allegations of sexual assault in her post. But people like you refuse to listen to her actual words or respect her desire for privacy.
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  10690.  @RedHanded1969  You said: "Taiwan n Korea had done it long before China." Taiwan had been under authoritarian single-party KMT rule for more than half its life. For decades the KMT ruled Taiwan with iron fist and Chiang kai-shek was a dictator who jailed and executed dissidents and political rivals (whether real or perceived) in a period known as White Terror (白色恐怖) and imposed martial law on Taiwan for more than 38 years, which was qualified as "the longest imposition of martial law by a regime anywhere in the world" at that time. Source: White Terror (Taiwan) wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Terror_(Taiwan) But under authoritarian single-party KMT rule, Taiwan actually flourished and prospered, in what's known as the Taiwan Miracle (台湾奇迹). Between 1952 – 1982, Taiwan's economic growth was on average 8.7%, and between 1983 – 1986 at 6.9%. Taiwan GDP grew by 360% between 1965 – 1986. The percentage of global exports was over 2% in 1986, over other recently industrialized countries, and the global industrial production output grew a further 680% between 1965 – 1986. And its all been achieved under KMT leadership. Source: Taiwan Miracle wikipedia.org/wiki/Taiwan_Miracle Only in the late 1990s, when democracy was introduced (because USA threatened to cut off weapons sales to Taiwan) did Taiwan's economic growth became more modest. Today, Taiwan's economy is stagnant, wages are stagnant, cost of living is rising, unemployment is rising, and Taiwan graduates are seeking employment abroad, such as in mainland China or Singapore. Since Taiwan thrived under authoritarian single-party KMT rule then why switch to democracy? Because Westerners say so?
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  10692.  @RedHanded1969  Mao Zedong did not murder those people, they starved to death because of Great Chinese Famine which was caused by bad weather conditions like flood and drought, causing destruction of crops and resulted in poor harvest and mass starvation. Even Mao Zedong can't possibly control the weather isn't it? And even if he could, he'll wish for fair weather and bountiful harvests, because he wants to make China strong enough to resist foreign imperialism. About the One Child Policy, in the past China was still dirt-poor country, suffering from high birth rate, high child malnutrition, high child mortality, high illiteracy and other population problems at that time. Why allow families in China to raise multiple kids, only for them to starve to death, succumb to childhood diseases, and having not enough food, not enough hospitals, and not enough schools to send them all to? Why not make families focus all available resources into raising a single, healthy kid into adulthood, and get him into a good school? According to World Bank, China's poverty rate fell from 88% in 1981 to a mere 0.7% in 2015. According to UNESCO, adult literacy rate in China increased from 65.5% in 1982 to a whopping 96.4% in 2015, growing at an average annual rate of 10.39%. This is an impressive feat considering that China is world's most populous country, yet attaining 0.7% poverty and 96.4% literacy. Source: Poverty in China wikipedia.org/wiki/Poverty_in_China Source: Adult literacy in China 1982-2015 statista.com/statistics/271336/literacy-in-china Look at India, world's 2nd largest population country, and India is suffering from high birth rate, high child malnutrition, high child mortality, high illiteracy and other population problems that China once suffered from in the past. So China's One Child Policy actually worked, that's how the CPC managed to lift our people out of poverty. Whereas India did not have population control measures, and they are suffering from overpopulation today.
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  10693.  @RedHanded1969  Dr Sun is the father of modern China, but Mao Zedong is the founding father of the People's Republic of China 🇨🇳. What's wrong with the Soviet Union giving China our flag 🇨🇳? You're just being biased against China that's all. Mao Zedong reunified China where the KMT failed during Republic of China 🇹🇼 (1912-1949) for 37 years, what are you talking about? Even Tibet was finally returned to the mainland in 1952, yet you're denying that Mao reunified our divided country? If not for Mao Zedong, China would be a weak and divided country, fighting among ourselves, while the Westerners laugh at China. Previously under ROC, China was dirt-poor, war-torn, starving country in the past, but today under the PRC, China has since transformed into the world's 2nd largest economy, the world's factory (Made in China) having world's 2nd highest R&D spending, being world's 3rd largest weapons exporter, protected by world's largest land army, the People's Liberation Army, funded by world's 2nd highest military expenditure and China today has strong global presence as well as being an influential player of world politics. Whereas Taiwan's economy is ranked 23rd in the world, their manufacturing jobs have been virtually all but outsourced to the mainland ('Made in Taiwan' used to be commonplace, now its been largely replaced by 'Made in China') Taiwan has failed to deliver on their promise to someday retake the mainland and it relies on US weapon imports. Worst of all, Taiwan has hardly any global presence, it's merely a pawn on the chessboard between world powers.
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  10746. +Basu Vivek That's exactly the point I am trying to make about India and US. US and India are in no way allies, but many Indians seem to believe US is on their side. Russia also helps India in any activity that opposes the USA too, so in war, it is unlikely for Russia and USA to work together with India against China. People need to see the war from perspective of these countries, instead of just claiming they will help unconditionally. Thankfully, no bullet is fired between India and China border. But our countries came close to doing so, during Doklam standoff. Doklam is actually located on China-Bhutan border, so why did Indian troops trespass into Chinese territory to oppose PLA road construction then? India does not claim Doklam as part of its territory. 1. Chinese supplies pass through Strait of Malacca yes, but Chinese goods also reach the West through this channel. USA, Canada, UK and Europe may not take kindly to Strait of Malacca being blockaded by Indian Navy and them being unable to receive their Chinese goods as a result. Also, China is building economic corridor through Pakistan to Gwadar port, which would bypass the need to travel by Strait of Malacca. 2. In mountain warfare, China has light tanks suitable for mountainous terrain. China tested its homegrown light tank, Xinqingtan, whereas India's Arjun tank, which is too heavy for the mountainous regions. PLA tested these tanks during live-fire exercise in Tibet during the Doklam standoff, which was probably when India realised it lacked suitable tanks for mountainous warfare. Source: defensenews(dot)com/land/2017/09/05/indian-army-shows-interest-in-light-tanks-for-defense-along-chinese-border/ 3. India has supersonic cruise missile Brahmos, but China has hypersonic cruise missile, DF-ZF, already tested seven times successfully. 4. India's Agni 4 and Agni 5 have ranges of over 5,000 km but China has DongFeng-41 with operational range between 12,000 km to 15,000 km making it the world's longest range missile, surpassing the range of the US LGM-30 Minuteman which has a reported range of 13,000 km. China has soft power in the form of economic influence, building various infrastructure in other countries like Pakistan, Nepal, Bangladesh, Sri Lanka, and even in Africa, like Nigeria, Angola, Kenya, etc. China has one of the worlds largest movie markets, and many Hollywood directors modified their movies to cater to Chinese audiences (such as Transformers , Iron Man 3 etc)
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  10750. Its a preconceived notion that democracy is the best form of governance. Look at ROC, South Korea and Singapore for example. ROC has been ruled by authoritarian single-party Kuomingtang (Nationalist) for almost its entire life, and KMT was successful in developing Taiwan to what it is today. Only in 2016, did another party like DPP took over KMT. Would Taiwan be where it is today if not for KMT? South Korea had the dictator Park Chung Hee, who led a period of rapid economic growth in South Korea, until 1979, and despite his controversial dictatorship, Park has been ranked by the public as the greatest South Korean president for his contributions. Would South Korea be where it is today if not for Park? Singapore has been ruled by single-party authoritarian party (PAP) for its entire life, for over 50 years since its founding as a nation. The first PM of Singapore, Lee Kuan Yew, ruled with an iron fist, but managed to turn the country from small fishing village into 1st world economy. Would Singapore be where it is today if not for PAP and Lee Kuan Yew? The success of these countries could be attributed to the fact that single party authoritarian governments can make long-term plans, not short term plans. For example, Chinese government has been ruled by communist party for over 60 years, and they can make long-term 5-year plans, 10-year plans, 20-year plans, to map out China's future in 2020, 2030, 2050, etc. Democratic parties have limits (like USA having 4-8 years term limit) so at the most they can only make short term plans, because there's no guarantee that they will be in power after their term is over.
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  10771.  @perrychrispy1  1984 was written for entertainment purposes, a work of fiction that exaggerated the perils of technology, in order to appeal to readers. I mean, don't you read the disclaimer of fictitious work at the beginning of such works? History and reality are obviously going to be different than fiction. In democracy, why do you allow ordinary people to participate in political decisions that will affect the country's future? Ordinary people may not necessary know how to vote responsibly (e.g. they fail to turn up to vote) or they may base their votes on emotions, not logic (e.g. British people don't like foreigners, so they voted for Brexit) or they may simply lack the political awareness to make informed decisions regarding the country's future. That's how people like Hilter managed to come to power, by preying on German people's resentment towards the Treaty of Versailles and he promised to make Germany great again (which admittedly he did) And that's how Donald Trump was able to prey on gullible Americans voters' resentment towards China, together with false promises of making America great again. Whereas China has 5000 years of history and is among the world's oldest 'continuous' civilization still alive today, whereas other great ancient civilizations like Mesopotamia, Rome and Egypt have since succumbed to history. China has seen the rise and fall of various nations and survived the violent course of history relatively intact. China has always been under the authoritarian rule (and we still are today) because it works for China, so why does China have to adopt Western democracy then? Because Westerners say so?
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  10815.  @auroragb  Who's asking you to dissolve people? It's obvious you can't even answer this simple question, so you deliberately try to twist the words into a different meaning and purposely misinterpret the question so that you don't have to answer it. If you believe people are capable of running the country themselves, then why not dissolve your government and let the people run the country themselves? Why do you still need a government then you tell me? I have already modified the question to be as specific as possible, what more can I modify it to make my meaning any more clearer? You just refuse to answer its because deep down you know that countries need a government to control their people. Why not listen to what the government is doing then? Why not let the people who know how to govern, govern? About Trump, Brexit, Great Leap Forward, Cultural Revolution, etc, you claimed that at least with democracy, the people can only blame themselves for bad choices. But people blaming themselves does not equate to actually taking responsibility for those actions. Look at the US, and the Republicans and Democrats are fighting among themselves, instead of fighting for America's future. Their elected leaders sabotage and hinder the opposition's plans, instead of tackling America's woes, like rising healthcare, debt, violence, etc. and Trump's election has created a deep political rift within American society today. Why should China adopt such a chaotic system like Western democracy then? The CCP is not perfect yes, and made mistakes in the past, but the clear difference is that the CCP acknowledges the mistakes and move on. The CCP has long acknowledged the failure of Great Leap Forwards (and even Mao Zedong himself made a self-criticism and stepped down as State Chairman) and learned from it. In a multiple-party system, the two or more parties blame each other for the country's woes, but in a single-party system, the party itself is to blame for all the bad things and all the good things. That's why China's single-party system is superior, because it accepts responsibility for failures, learn from it and move on, while the Republicans and Democrats in America are diverting blame elsewhere.
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  10818.  @samuelboucher1454  "神州 Shenzhou China is supporting Pakistan against India" Pakistan is our "iron brother" 巴铁 because our bond is as strong as iron. Pakistan always helped China in our time of need, so why can't China support Pakistan then? Look at India and they provided asylum to the Chinese fugitive, the 14th Dalai Lama, so who knows what intentions India has towards Tibet Autonomous Region in China? "China supports Venezuela dictatorship" Nicolás Maduro is the democratically elected President of Venezuela, and he won his 2nd term in the 2018 election, garnering 67.84% of the votes, so what's wrong with China supporting Maduro you tell me? Venezuela is suffering from hyperinflation today, because President Trump slapped crippling sanctions on Venezuela which cause their food prices to skyrocket. China's Belt and Road Initiative is NOT the same as the Opium War, China did NOT wage war with BRI countries and force them to join the BRI. Participation in BRI is entirely voluntarily. During the 19th century, the British wanted to continue drinking Chinese tea, but China did not want anything the West had to offer, so Britain waged two bloody wars with China and forced Chinese to buy opium from them at gunpoint, which we didn't want because it made us sick and was poisoning our people. During this weak period of Chinese history, Hong Kong was taken from China and made into British colony, to act as a drug distribution hub to spread the addiction throughout rest of China. Even when Britain renounced ownership over its former territories, Hong Kong was not fully returned back to China, and China had to agree to Sino-British declaration just for Britain to handover what belongs to us. And what makes you think Chinese people aren't free? Chinese people are free to travel overseas for work, study or play. Haven't you seen Chinese tourists in your lands? Or Chinese international students flooding Western schools and universities? Who said that Natives speaking out against Great Britain weren't "disappeared"? Look at what Great Britain did to Indian rebels. They tied Indians to the mouth of a loaded cannon and executed them by blasting a hole in their chests, a brutal execution method known as "Blowing from a Gun" Source: Blowing from a gun wikipedia.org/wiki/Blowing_from_a_gun Suppression of the Indian Revolt by the English, which depicts the execution of mutineers by blowing from a gun by the British, a painting by Vasily Vereshchagin c. 1884.
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  10819.  @samuelboucher1454  1. Pakistan, our iron brother, always helped China in our time of need. What has India actually done to help China? Then can't China support Pakistan over India? Pakistan is their own sovereign country "separate" from India after 1947, so why can't China support the Pakistan against India? India and Pakistan are literally "blood brother" states, and they rather fight among themselves? 2. Maduro is the democratically elected President of Venezuela and he won his 2nd term in the 2018 elections, so why can't China support Venezuela? And Trump slapped crippling sanctions on Venezuela because Maduro refused to be a slave to the US Petrol Dollar and he decided to switch to Chinese Yuan instead. Venezuela's Maduro says will shun U.S. dollar in favor of yuan, others reuters.com/article/us-venezuela-forex/venezuelas-maduro-says-will-shun-us-dollar-in-favor-of-yuan-others-idUSKCN1BJ06O That's why Trump intends to make life difficult for Maduro and drive up food prices in Venezuela with his economic sanctions on Venezuela. 3. First you compared Belt and Road Initiative to Opium Wars, now you are comparing it to French colonisation of Indochina? China did not make colonies unlike France, and participation in BRI is entirely voluntarily like I said earlier. Countries have the option to withdraw from the BRI anytime they want. 4. Who says that Chinese can't speak out against the government? Have you actually seen what Chinese netizens say in Weibo and other Chinese social media sites, before you accuse China of such a thing? 5. Britain did horrible things to the virtually the entire world, building their success upon the backs of African slavery, genocide of Native Americans and Australian Aboriginals, occupation of their lands even till today, brutal colonisation of Asia (India, Hong Kong, Singapore, etc) and African countries, and plundering resources like gold. British people today are so rich, because they're sitting on a pile of wealth that their ancestors stole from Asia, Africa America and Australia.
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  10820.  @RaginYak  Previously, while Tibet was under Dalai Lama rule, Tibet was a brutal theocracy, where 95% of the population were slaves and the remaining 5% elites were slave owners. Tibetan mountainous soil is infertile, rainfall is scarce in the Himalayas, so the slaves had to work hard to feed the Tibetan population. Starvation was commonplace and theft of food was punished by torture, amputation and even skinning. There's this Tibetan drum called damaru that's made from human skulls, a drumskin made of human skin and drumstick made of human bone. The Dalai Lama was overly worshipped and his followers fought for the right to consume his saliva, his urine and even his feces, because he was considered a divine vessel. After Tibet returned back to China, Chinese workers began rapidly modernising Tibet, building roads, railways, streetlamps, running water, gas and electricity as well as introducing modern amenities like cars, computers, telephone cables, smartphones, the Internet, WiFi, online shopping (from Taobao) and so on. Under CCP, the first Tibetan colleges opened in Lhasa, offering degrees in both Tibetan and Mandarin Chinese languages. Hydroelectric powerstations were built by Chinese to supply Tibetan homes with electricity. Source: List of universities and colleges in Tibet wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_universities_and_colleges_in_Tibet Source: List of major power stations in the Tibet Autonomous Region wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_major_power_stations_in_the_Tibet_Autonomous_Region Chinese workers built the Qinghai-Lhasa railway (world's highest elevation railway) through dangerous mountainous terrain and low oxygen environments, to connect the normally isolated Tibet with the rest of the world. Tibet can now import food from the mainland to feed its population, and Tibet's population has tripled from 1 million in 1950s to over 3 million people today. A thriving tourist industry has even sprung up in Tibet.
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  10855.  @svetoslavpp  I dislike those anti-China people who always use the same stale excuse of "I'm not anti-China, I'm just anti-CPC" to defend themselves and justify their anti-China stance. These anti-China people clearly don't care about China's interest, they just can't stand to see China succeed that's all. So what U.S laws did Huawei CFO Meng Wanzhou break, you tell me? Just cause she was accused by USA, means that she has to be detained in her home for 2 years (since 2018)? Where's the USA proof of her crimes then? Obviously the USA is trying to strike an economic blow against Huawei (because Huawei is so successful) and to wound Chinese national pride, is this how Westerners treat Chinese? 8 months ago isn't that old. It clearly shows that anti-China sentiment is growing in the West, what makes you think that Jusy because 8 months passed, that anti-China sentiment will magically go away? Here's a 39-year-old Asian woman from New York City suffered severe burns across her body after someone sneaked up behind her as she was throwing out the trash and splashed her with acid. Video: Asian woman attacked with acid outside her home in New York youtu.be/_XizsaCNaHc How is the coronavirus a creation of the CPC? The coronavirus lab origins myth have long been debunked by experts. Source: Live Science: The coronavirus was not engineered in a lab. livescience.com/coronavirus-not-human-made-in-lab.html You people are clearly anti-China to begin with, you're just trying to justify your anti-China stance that's all.
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  10881.  @elanor2123  Falungong was founded in 1992 by a man named Li Hongzhi, by hijacking existing practices from Taoism, Buddhism, and traditional Qigong practices. This should already sound off alarm bells that it's actually a cult in disguise. Falungong practitioners believe Li Hongzhi has the supernatural ability to cure all ailments and none are allowed to question the basic assumptions concerning his purported supernatural powers, teachings and/or opinions. There have been cases of Falungong practitioners who are early-stage cancer patients, yet they refuse to seek medical treatment, instead they are encouraged to donate their savings to Li, in hopes of him curing their cancer. The cancer patients died in the end. -There were 2,365 Falungong practitioners who have turned themselves into victims of the cult. 1,559 of them died of suicide or rejecting medical treatment; 651 suffered from mental disorders; 11 killed others; and 144 became disabled. -On January 23, 2001, seven Falun Gong practitioners, at the request of Li Hongzhi that "let go of life and death," set themselves on fire at the Tian'anmen Square, resulted in two deaths and three disabled because of serious injuries. -From May 25 to June 27, 2003, an obsessed Falun Gong follower named Chen Fuzhao killed 16 people with rat toxicant in order to "enhance his Gong powers." Of all the victims, 15 were junkmen or beggars, and one was a Buddhist. Doesn't this sound similar to the Tibetan monks who doused themselves in oil and set themselves on fire, either sacrificing their lives or permanently scarring themselves, just for the sake of "religion"? Or like the terrorists who strapped bombs to themselves and blow up innocent people, sacrificing their lives to advance the terrorists' cause?
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  10925. +Jennifer Lee Firstly, in an adopted straight family, the orphan will already know (once he's told) that his parents aren't his true blood parents. Even in a real family, with a child who grew up without father (an unmarried mother for example) will already face immense societal pressure (from his classmates, etc) What makes you think growing up in a gay family will not stress the child? Are you the one growing up with gay parents here? Why is it a person jumping off a cliff, is not an "irrational demand", according to what you said? The person making such statement could be mentally ill, and people who try to restrain him are considered "bullying" him? Who are you to make judgements and joke about this issue here? Your beliefs are your own, and China's societal beliefs are ours. Its your choice if you choose to allow a person to jump off the cliff, because you people believe in "rights of the individual" over the rights of society. I mean, in USA, they have freedom to bear firearms like guns, and because of this, robbing a bank is much easier, due to availability of guns, so why should China strive towards "individual rights" over that of society? Your study of trans bathroom laws applies only to USA. How accurate will they be when they are applied to China? China has about 5 times more people (in fact, China is world's most populous country) than America, so would such a study be representative of China, if trans toilets were implemented in China? You said 70% of people were harassed in toilets, which is bad, but imagined if perverts decide to exploit a loophole in trans gender toilets. Such loopholes may not be obvious at first, until they are discovered. More laws, only means more chances for loopholes, in my opinion. Like I said, why should China accept LGBT as equals to heterosexuals? Because US does it? You say it doesn't change the lives of ordinary people? Then what about families wanting their gay son to carry on the family line by producing an heir? You don't know anything about China, but presume to impose your views on us?
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  10927. When these people get married, they cannot biologically carry on the blood line (at least with current technology level) so isn't that considered ancestral suicide, akin to jumping off a cliff? Why is it considered bullying for restrain such people? Orphans can't be choosers. They have such tragic circumstances, yet why should they be subject to further pressure growing up under such family? What about their school life, classmate teasing, and what if their future girlfriend or boyfriend think of their family when they grow up? You weren't raised in such a family, so how do you know what they are going through? Since you understand China is more conservative in general, then what's wrong taking a conservative approach towards implementing such laws? There is no urgent need to implement such law, and it only benefits a small majority of trans people, while possibly exposing more exploitation? And there ARE cases of trans bathroom exploitation that you are simply unaware of. -The University of Toronto changing its policy on gender neutral bathrooms after male students within the University’s Whitney Hall student residence were caught holding their cellphones over female students’ shower stalls and filming them as they showered. -A biological man, Christopher Hambrook, 37, claimed to be ‘trans’ so as to gain access to and prey on women at two Toronto shelters was jailed ‘indefinitely’ -A man who wore a wig and women’s clothing to disguise himself as he allegedly used a concealed camera to record “hours” of video of women in a Los Angeles-area department store restroom.” Source: nobathroombill com/examples
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  11012. I know I posted this before about how events led up till the situation today, but it bears repeating this posts taken off Weibo: More than 20 years ago, Ukraine divorced her ex-husband (Russia), and took several children along with her. Still, the ex-husband was very accommodating to her and left her with a lot of family property. After that, the ex-husband also paid off more than 200 billion in debts for her. After getting rid of her ex-husband, Ukraine started flirting with the village chief (United States) and his harem of concubines (NATO countries) until she was completely ensnared in their arms. That's still acceptable to a certain point, (but) she was smitten with the village tyrant, and hooked up with him in a plan to attack her ex-husband. The ex-husband was very angry and had insisted on returning a child: Crimea. Ukraine began to harboring grudges against her ex-husband, and dreams of someday marrying into the NATO family. But the truth is that the village chief didn't really want to marry Ukraine into the family. After all, she was high-maintenance and loved to pocket his money (corruption). His many wives also didn't want Ukraine to join family, but in front of Ukraine, they were all smiles and encouraging her to join. The village chief just wanted to use her like a pawn to bully her ex-husband. After 8 years of constant abuse, her two children (Donetsk and Luhansk) were crying and imploring for help from their father. The village chief was always on the sidelines in the ex-husband and wife quarrel, occasionally sending in expired items (ammunition) from time to time. Because of that, Ukraine thought she had someone to support her, and became even more presumptuous towards her ex-husband. The ex-husband could bear it no longer, took another glance at the poor treatment of the children, and rushed over in defense of his two children, so the ex husband and wife started fighting. Now, the village chief and his many wives are cheering on Ukraine from the sidelines, yet none of them are willing to lift an actual finger and partake in the fighting themselves. Ukraine is unlikely to marry into the NATO family, because that would mean that the village chief and his many wives would be obliged to join the fight against the ex-husband. ... Hopefully this analogy taken off Weibo helps puts the Russo-Ukraine conflict into perspective and on a more relatable level.
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  11040.  @andrenogueira5058  You said: "In Western systems - democracies, that is - this separation is protected by the constitution and actually works." We are witnessing the breakdown of such a system, especially with regards to the new landmark abortion ruling (Roe v. Wade decision) by the Supreme court overturning abortion rights, that has resulted in mass protests across the United States. Other issues like demands for stricter gun control aren't being met either. You said: "These campaigns are in fact purges - ordered by one leader - and generally serve the leader's own power agenda." Do you have actual evidence of your claims? Xi had vowed to crack down on "tigers and flies", that is, high-level officials and local civil servants alike. Many ordinary Chinese have benefited from the corruption crackdown which targeted officials accepting bribes and abuse of power. You said: "At best they eliminate the dear-leader's opposition. A good example of this can be seen in Russia, where the local dear-leader imprison his political adversaries on corruption charges while being the most corrupt of them all. Mao did the exact same thing, and Xi is no different in this regard." I don't understand why are you using Russia to compare with China's anti-corruption campaign? What's your logic? Also do you have evidence that Chairman Mao was "the most corrupt of them all" and that Xi is no different? From what I can tell, President Xi Jinping has one of the world's lowest salaries (for a world leader) at just $22,000 annually. Even Indian PM Narendra Modi draws a higher annual salary of $30,000 compared to Xi.
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  11044. Ruata Lungchuang So what is the best solution then? That both North and South Korea become two separate countries? If that's the case, then a new treaty has to be drafted and North Korea has tried to approach USA for terms of peace, but USA keeps rejecting it. Everyone knows that if North Korea ever attacked USA, it will be annihilated by it. Even China will destroy North Korea if it made the first move. So why not USA sign peace treaty with N. Korea then? When did I ever said that the DMZ will be decommissioned? What do know about how South Koreans feel about N. Korea? Many S. Koreans have families and relatives living in N. Korea so who is to say how they feel about reunification? Only the new generation of S. Koreans grew up without knowledge of a former unified Korea, so they lack a sense of kinship with N. Korea. China supports N. Korea because remember that it is nuclear capable state and we don't want push N. Korea over the edge and for war to break out in East Asia. China's sanctions on N. Korea are judged to what we deem as necessary and not to the point that war will erupt. What do you know about Chinese efforts to open up N. Korea? China built a bridge that extends to N. Korea in hopes of opening up its market but N. Korea refuses to accept it, and the bridge doesn't extend to reach N. Korea soil. Chinese officials even once invited Kim Jong Il (previous NK leader) to Liaoning province to display China's progress and woo him to open up his markets, but he refused. You think China can just control NK as we like? China doesn't have any military bases in NK, but USA has many bases in SK, so who are you to compare China with USA? But USA does not care about peace and constantly pressurised N. Korea into possible war. USA keeps sending warships and aircraft carrier battlegroup to East Asia to provoke China and NK. This place is our home, not USA's yet USA keeps taking provocative actions instead of peaceful ones. If war breaks out in Asia, it will be Chinese, Japanese and Koreans that will be dying, not so much USA people, so who are you to judge Chinese people on our views? We are the ones living here in East Asia so we have a stake in its continued peace.
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  11045. +Ruata Lungchuang China does not have military bases in North Korea, and N. Korea needs strong a military since it is technically still at war with USA. It is N. Korea who chooses to militarize, not because of Chinese backing. The government has mentioned many times that N. Korea is not under Chinese control and its reckless actions are its own decisions. North Korea was product of Soviet Union (just like Communist China from Marxism) and South Korea was product of USA. N, Korea tried to unify Korea again after the humiliating division, and almost succeeded (90% unified) but USA declared war on N. Korea and pushed them back past 38 parallel to China's border (Liaoning province) Reluctantly, China joined in Korean war to prevent USA from controlling entire Korea. You can see from this, that N. Koreans feel that USA declared war on them, even when technically, it was internal civil war within Korea, and should not have foreign intervention. China only joined in Korean war because USA joined it, and Chinese forces did not push past 38 parallel in to S. Korean territory. No peace treaty has been signed, so how is N. Korea ever going to attract foreign investment and normalize itself? So you can talk about your own opinions and Chinese people's hypocrisy, but I can't give my own views? I don't mock or insult you, so why do you look down on Chinese people not being aware of the reality? Like I said, we are the ones living here in East Asia, and we have the most to lose if war breaks out in East Asia. East Asia has been peaceful past 30 or so years and there have been much progress, with developing economies in S. Korea, Japan and China (and Taiwan). All of these countries will be affected if war breaks out in Korean peninsula.
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  11053.  @rufanuf1  "神州 Shenzhou That's a long post to make a "snide" remark," Look, you've been making derogatory remarks against me, claiming my perception of global reality is flawed, and that I'm revealing my ignorance, among other such insults. Why? Just because my views happen to differ from yours? I've cited numerous examples to illustrate my point, whereas you've not data to support yours. You just seemingly make claims without bothering to support them with evidence. You said: "However humanity and civilization was not built during the measly "5000 years" of Chinese accumulated "political experience"." China's 5,000 years of history is not enough? Then what on Earth makes you think 200 years of American history is enough to build humanity and civilization? What sort of double standards is this? You're only taking into account the past 100-200 years of human history, and ignoring the past 1000-2000 years of human history? Then you're being somewhat myopic in the sense that you're only looking at events short-term, instead of long-term. You said: "The US has barely no history at all! (And NO I am not American) But they have done more to lift the world out of poverty in the last 200 years than any other nation on Earth including helping China along the way!" Again, where's your data? According to the World Bank, China's poverty alleviation efforts have resulted in an unprecedented number of people being lifted out of poverty . And you're not even American yourself, yet you keep on singing their praises while ignoring their negative outcomes.
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  11055.  @rufanuf1  You said: "Having a good grasp on history is fine, but it's of little use in a political debate, yet that is the method your trying to use" Arguably, there is no greater teacher than history itself. History shows us what works, what didn't and what mistakes were made. If we look at the political systems of human societies for the past 1000-2000 years, virtually all of them gravitated towards an authoritarian form, where political power is concentrated in the nobles (aristocracy), priests (theocracy) or kings and emperors (monarchy). Western-style democracy actually has a history of failure, and Athens, Sparta and Greece had early forms of democracy that weren't successful. Democracy itself wasn't even popular outside of Greece, and didn't spread throughout the rest of the ancient world (whom preferred authoritarian forms of governance). Modern Liberal Democracy is a different breed from ancient democracies, but this means that it only has 100-200 years of history, and hasn't undergone the test of time, unlike say, China's 5,000 years of strong central government rule. You said: "In many ways I am demonstrating to you that the upbringing of someone in a western democracy allows us to have an opinion beyond what our schools or textbooks teach us." If that's really the case, then why is it you are unable to accept the fact that China is doing well under a non-Western democratic government such as the Chinese government? I thought you should be able to accept different points of views, yet you seem unable to accept my view (which obviously differs from yours)? You said: "Reciting facts is not creative, its closer to "indoctrinated"." Reciting facts is citing scientific proof which can be verified.
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  11105.  @blackopal3138  What makes you think China is sinking? Western economists have been predicting China's economic downfall since 1990s. Here is compiled list of what Western journalists have to say about China's economy 1990. The Economist: China's economy has come to a halt. 1996. The Economist: China's economy will face hard landing. 1998. The Economist: China's economy entering a dangerous period of sluggish growth. 1999. Bank of Canada: Likelihood of a hard landing for the Chinese economy. 2000. Chicago Tribune: China currency move nails hard landing risk coffin. 2001. Wilbanks, Smith & Thomas: A hard landing in China. 2002. Westchester University: China Anxiously Seeks A Soft Economic landing. 2003. KWR International: How to find a soft landing if China.. 2004. The Economist: The great fall of China? 2005. Nouriel Roubini: The Risk of a Hard Landing in China. 2006. International Economy: Can China Achieve a Soft Landing? 2007. TIME: Is China's Economy Overheating? Can China avoid a hard landing? 2008. Forbes: Hard Landing in China? 2009. Fortune: China's hard landing. China must find a way to recover. 2010. Nouriel Roubini: Hard landing coming in China. 2011. Business Insider: A Chinese Hard Landing May Be Closer Than You Think. 2012. American Interest: Dismal Economic News from China: A Hard Landing. 2013. Zero Hedge: A Hard Landing in China. 2014. CNBC: A hard landing in China. 2015. Forbes: Congratulations, You got Yourself A Chinese Hard Landing.... 2016. The Economist: Hard Landing looms for China. 2017. National Interest: Is China's Economy Going To Crash? 2018. The Daily Reckoning: China's Coming Financial Meltdown. ... But its already 2019, and China's economy is still going strong, so why continue to believe China is sinking? When Western propaganda been proven consistently wrong for almost 30 years already?
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  11120.  @patrickdempsey4034  Hong Kong was taken from China by Britain and wasn't fully returned. During the 19th century, the British wanted to continue drinking Chinese tea, but China did not want anything the West had to offer, so Britain waged two bloody wars with China and forced Chinese to buy opium from them at gunpoint, which we didn't want because it made us sick and was poisoning our people. During this weak period of Chinese history, Hong Kong was taken from China and made into British colony, to act as a drug distribution hub to spread the addiction throughout rest of China. Even when Britain renounced ownership over its former territories, Hong Kong was not fully returned back to China, and China had to agree to Sino-British declaration just for Britain to handover what belongs to us. About the South China Sea, the North Vietnam PM Phạm Văn Đồng had formally accepted that the Paracel and Spratly islands were historically Chinese in a diplomatic letter he wrote to Chinese Premier Zhou Enlai in 1958. Here is the note: wikipedia.org/wiki/File:1958_diplomatic_note_from_phamvandong_to_zhouenlai.jpg In 1958, the People's Republic of China issued a declaration defining its territorial waters which encompassed the Spratly and Paracel Islands. North Vietnam's prime minister, Pham Van Dong, sent a diplomatic note to Zhou Enlai, stating that "The Government of the Democratic Republic of Vietnam respects this decision." The diplomatic note was written on September 14 and was publicized on Nhan Dan newspaper(Vietnam) on September 22, 1958. But after it was discovered that the region contain rich deposits of oil and gas, Vietnam suddenly changed its mind, broke their word and started claiming those territory as part of Vietnam. Why Vietnam politician can change their minds just like that?
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  11141. +christuffer said: "The world would still be in the primitive dark ages if it wasn't for Britain." The sciences, mathematics, astronomy of Britain had historical roots from Asia, and technology like crossbows and gunpowder came from China. The British Empire brutalized the entire global by colonizing other lands, importing slaves from Africa to do laborious work, causing genocide of Native Americans and Australian Aboriginals, occupation of their lands and plundering resources like gold from Africa and Asia. During British rule of India, British made use of Indian troops to fight Nazi Germany, (which the war had nothing to do with India) Winston Churchill was a racist against Indians and he deliberately caused a famine in Bengali, by stockpiling food for British troops and causing 4 million Indians to starve to death. When the British first colonized India, India was a wealthy country with 25% GDP, but when the British left India, its GDP had fallen to 4% British also wanted to continue drinking Chinese tea, but China didn't want to sell it, so they waged two bloody wars with China (the 1st war made use of Indian troops) and forced Chinese to buy opium from them, which we didn't want because it made us sick and was poisoning our people. Port cities like Shanghai were forced open to act as drug distribution hubs to spread the addiction throughout rest of China, and Hong Kong was stolen and made a British colony. And that's not covering what Britain did to America, to Africa, to Australia. Otherwise, why is it most of the world speaks English today?
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  11172. Western economists have been predicting China's economic downfall since 1990s. Here is compiled list: 1990. The Economist: China's economy has come to a halt. 1996. The Economist: China's economy will face hard landing. 1998. The Economist: China's economy entering a dangerous period of sluggish growth. 1999. Bank of Canada: Likelihood of a hard landing for the Chinese economy. 2000. Chicago Tribune: China currency move nails hard landing risk coffin. 2001. Wilbanks, Smith & Thomas: A hard landing in China. 2002. Westchester University: China Anxiously Seeks A Soft Economic landing. 2003. KWR International: How to find a soft landing if China.. 2004. The Economist: The great fall of China? 2005. Nouriel Roubini: The Risk of a Hard Landing in China. 2006. International Economy: Can China Achieve a Soft Landing? 2007. TIME: Is China's Economy Overheating? Can China avoid a hard landing? 2008. Forbes: Hard Landing in China? 2009. Fortune: China's hard landing. China must find a way to recover. 2010. Nouriel Roubini: Hard landing coming in China. 2011. Business Insider: A Chinese Hard Landing May Be Closer Than You Think. 2012. American Interest: Dismal Economic News from China: A Hard Landing. 2013. Zero Hedge: A Hard Landing in China. 2014. CNBC: A hard landing in China. 2015. Forbes: Congratulations, You got Yourself A Chinese Hard Landing.... 2016. The Economist: Hard Landing looms for China. 2017. National Interest: Is China's Economy Going To Crash? 2018. The Daily Reckoning: China's Coming Financial Meltdown. But its already 2019, and China's economy is still going strong, despite all expectations of failure. Can't you see Western predictions about Chinese economy failing have been proven consistently wrong from almost 30 years already?
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  11174. +Haruka ino What about Unit 731 then? During unit 731, the Japanese conducted human experiments on Chinese prisoners, including men, women and children. Prisoners were infected with various diseases, and subject to live vivisection, often without anesthesia. Japanese performed invasive surgeries into prisoners, organs were removed, limbs amputated, and then reattached to opposite sides of the body, all while the subject is kept alive. There are prisoners who even had their stomachs removed and their esophagus reattached to the intestines, presumably to see how long humans can survive without the stomach. The women had it worst during Unit 731. There were experiments with sexually transmitted diseases, by first injecting prisoners and forcing them at gunpoint to spread the infection to other prisoners. Women were raped and impregnated (sometimes by Japanese themselves) and then vivisected at various stages to study the effects of diseases on their organs or on their pregnancy. Some Japanese scientists even raped prisoners and then had experiments conducted on unborn children they fathered with female prisoners there. I mean, can you imagine if you are woman prisoner in Unit 731? Or that you are a man injected with STD and forced to have sex at gunpoint to spread it to other prisoners? Why not inject everyone with STD, instead of forcing prisoners to spread STD by sex? Chinese people only wanted to defend our lands that's all, and protect our homes and loved ones. But the Japanese invaded our territory, stole our lands, killed our men, raped our women and then conducted inhuman scientific experiments on our children.
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  11242.  @ewchi-m4n012  Again, how is Taiwan doing better than the mainland? Mainland China is the world's 2nd largest economy, the world's factory (Made in China) having world's 2nd highest R&D spending, being world's 3rd largest weapons exporter, protected by world's largest land army, the People's Liberation Army, funded by world's 2nd highest military expenditure and China today has strong global presence as well as being an influential player of world politics. Whereas Taiwan's economy is ranked 23rd in the world, their manufacturing jobs have been virtually all but outsourced to the mainland ('Made in Taiwan' used to be commonplace, now its been largely replaced by 'Made in China') Taiwan has failed to deliver on their promise to someday retake the mainland and it relies on US weapon imports. Worst of all, Taiwan has hardly any global presence, it's merely a pawn on the chessboard between world powers. Taiwan used to be one of Four Asian Tigers but since democracy was introduced to Taiwan, it's economy is in slump, wages are stagnant, cost of living is rising and Taiwan graduates are leaving for jobs in the mainland or Singapore Video: How Taiwan Lost Its Roar And Its Young Talents | Insight | CNA Insider "From the '90s, Taiwan became a two-party system with more partisan disagreements on policy matters. This produced less effective policy making. Secondly, the ruling officials tend to be more conservative in Taiwan, so they do not enthusiastically push for policies to globalise and liberalise the island." - Ray Chou, Research Fellow, Institute of Economics, Academia Sinica. ... Video: How Taiwan Lost Its Roar And Its Young Talents | Insight | CNA Insider
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  11270.  @matthewmorgan7106  Why did Republic of China 🇹🇼 lose the mainland to People's Republic of China 🇨🇳 and had to flee to Formosa (Taiwan)? During the Chinese Civil War, the Nationalist Kuomintang had massive wealth (they taxed peasants heavily) they had superior weapons and superior numbers over the communists, yet they still lost the mainland to dirt-poor, heavily outnumbered, ill-equipped, starving Communist peasants and had to flee to Taiwan? This demonstrates KMT's gross incompetence in their right to rule the mainland, and supports the communists right to rule the mainland. I mean, you're talking about a hypothetical scenario had the communists not succeeded, yet the KMT still lost the mainland to the CPC. And you still say that China will be far more powerful, technologically advanced fairer and more harmonious? Taiwan had been under authoritarian single-party KMT rule for more than half its life. For decades the KMT ruled Taiwan with iron fist and Chiang kai-shek was a dictator who jailed and executed dissidents and political rivals (whether real or perceived) in a period known as White Terror (白色恐怖) and imposed martial law on Taiwan for more than 38 years, which was qualified as "the longest imposition of martial law by a regime anywhere in the world" at that time. Source: White Terror (Taiwan) wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Terror_(Taiwan) But under authoritarian single-party KMT rule, Taiwan actually flourished and prospered, in what's known as the Taiwan Miracle (台湾奇迹). Between 1952 – 1982, Taiwan's economic growth was on average 8.7%, and between 1983 – 1986 at 6.9%. Taiwan GDP grew by 360% between 1965 – 1986. The percentage of global exports was over 2% in 1986, over other recently industrialized countries, and the global industrial production output grew a further 680% between 1965 – 1986. And its all been achieved under KMT leadership. Source: Taiwan Miracle wikipedia.org/wiki/Taiwan_Miracle Only in the late 1990s, when democracy was introduced (because USA threatened to cut off weapons sales to Taiwan) did Taiwan's economic growth became more modest. Now Taiwan's economy is stagnant, wages are stagnant, cost of living is rising, unemployment is rising, and Taiwan graduates are leaving the island to seek jobs in mainland China or Singapore.
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  11316.  Damian609  About life-long leadership, US presidents eventually have to step down after 4-8 years when their term is over, and therefore they can only make short term plans for America's future, instead of long term plans spanning, say 10 years or more. Look at America's long time problems, like its rising debt and healthcare costs, and no US president can possibly hope to solve America's woes in just 4-8 years. The presence of US term limits and lack of long-term plans is hindering America. Whereas in China, the Chinese government has put forth many 5-year plans, 10-year plans, 20-year plans, 30-year plans, etc to map out China's direction and future in 2020, 2030, 2040, 2050, etc, and to set specific goals for China to achieve. By abolishing the presidential term limit, our leaders can remain in power long enough to see their plans for China bloom and come into fruition in the future. -By 2020, China plans to eliminate poverty completely and establish moderately prosperous society. -By 2025, China plans to transform our manufacturing industry to incorporate high-end technology. -By 2030, China plans to be world leader in Artificial Intelligence -By 2035, China plans to be key innovative, scientific power and establish moderately socialist society. -By 2040, China plans to ban all fossil fuel powerplants and all non-electric vehicles for greener future. -By 2045, China plans to be world leading space nation, having established a space elevator. -By 2050, China plans to have surpassed the USA as global superpower, economically and militarily. Source: Xi Plans to Turn China Into a Leading Global Power by 2050 bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-10-17/xi-to-put-his-stamp-on-chinese-history-at-congress-party-opening So can't you see that term limits is actually bad for America, because it prevents your leaders from making long term plans? How to solve America's problems in just a mere 4-8 years? That's why most American leaders only tackle immediate problems faced by America, and ignore the long-term problems.
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  11349.  @Apollonos  "神州 Shenzhou Of course the CCP is not to blame for the weather, but it is responsible for the poorly built dams that are collapsing and drowning hundreds of people. The CCP allows corrupt contractors to save money by building weak dams with too much sand and not enough concrete." Do you have evidence that those dams are poorly built? Dams in China are built to withstand a certain water capacity, but heavy rains and floods have caused water levels to rise beyond the dams specified capacity then of course the dam will collapse if it goes beyond its expected capacity. And do you have evidence that the Communist Party corrupt contractors to save money by building weak dams? You said: "This would not happen in my country, because government inspectors check the work of contractors." How many dams does your country have, you tell me? China is home to nearly 22,000 dams that are over 15 metres (49 ft) in height, that's about half the world's total that having been constructed in China since the 1950s. Does your country have more than half the world's number of dams to inspect? You said: "If a contractor tried to cut costs by building a sub-standard dam, they would be arrested and thrown in jail for endangering public safety. China apparently doesn't have inspectors." China is literally home to half of all the world's dams and you're claiming China doesn't have inspectors? Seriously? China is home to the world's largest hydroelectric powerstation, the Three Gorges Dam and you're claiming China doesn't have inspectors? Video: National Geographic: The Largest Dam in the World https://youtu.be/j3J196bLP5E You said: "China has seen some of the worst plagues of disease, earthquakes, storms, and even swarms of locusts destroy hundreds of millions of livestock and destroy millions of acres of farmland. So China is not doing very well with food right now." China is literally the world's largest agricultural producer, producing more rice, wheat, cotton, lettuce, onion, cabbage, green bean, green pea, cauliflowers, eggplant, potato, spinach, carrots, turnips, pumpkins, sweet potato, pear, grapes, peaches, apples, plums, strawberries, kiwifruit, tomato, watermelons, chestnuts, peanuts, walnuts, than any other country in the world. List of largest producing countries of agricultural commodities https://wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_largest_producing_countries_of_agricultural_commodities If there is famine in China, then countries that depend on Chinese agricultural imports will be the first one affected as China halts the export of produce. You said: "It is estimated that Mao killed between hundreds of thousands to 20 million Chinese. Compared to that, Chiang kai-shek was an amateur." Chairman Mao did not murder those people, they starved to death because of Great Chinese Famine that was caused by bad weather conditions like flood and drought, causing destruction of crops and resulting in poor harvests and mass starvation. Even Mao Zedong couldn't possibly control the weather isn't it? And even if he somehow could, he'll wish for fair weather and bountiful harvests because he wanted to make China strong enough to resist foreign imperialism. You said: "You say that Taiwan is suffering under democracy. According the the most recent reports, Taiwan has the 8th largest economy in Asia and the 18th in the world." Because Taiwan's economic boom was built under authoritarian single-party rule by Chiang kai-shek and the KMT, it is under democracy that Taiwan's economy has since fallen. Taiwan used to be one of Four Asian Tigers but since democracy was introduced to Taiwan, it's economy is in slump, wages are stagnant, cost of living is rising and Taiwan graduates are leaving for jobs in the mainland or Singapore Video: How Taiwan Lost Its Roar And Its Young Talents | Insight | CNA Insider youtu.be/P3BCnPb8qHY?t=110 "From the '90s, Taiwan became a two-party system with more partisan disagreements on policy matters. This produced less effective policy making. Secondly, the ruling officials tend to be more conservative in Taiwan, so they do not enthusiastically push for policies to globalise and liberalise the island." - Ray Chou, Research Fellow, Institute of Economics, Academia Sinica You said: "You ask if there is something preventing Taiwan from joining the U.N. The answer is yes. The thing that is preventing Taiwan from rejoining the U.N. is China." So that means Taiwan isn't independent after all since you admit that mainland China is preventing Taiwan from joining the U.N as an independent country. And if you read Taiwan's own constitution, it says that Taiwan is part of China. Since there hasn't been any amendments to Taiwan's constitution, then by default, Taiwan is part of China under their own constitution. You said: "but when mainland China became a member in 1971, Taiwan lost their seat in the U.N. due to bullying by China." Bullying by China? It was the United Nations countries that democratically voted to recognize the People's Republic of China 🇨🇳 as China and to kick the Republic of China 🇹🇼 out of the United Nations in 1971. The UN General Assembly Resolution 2758 was passed in response to the UN General Assembly Resolution 1668 that required any change in China's representation in the UN be determined by a two-thirds vote referring to Article 18 of the UN Charter. The poll results were as follows: -76 voted for -35 voted against -17 abstained -3 non-voting ... Source: United Nations General Assembly Resolution 2758 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_General_Assembly_Resolution_2758 Since PRC won the vote with two thirds majority, the resolution was passed on 25 October 1971, and recognized the People's Republic of China (PRC) as "the only legitimate representative of China to the United Nations" and removed "the representatives of Chiang Kai-shek" from the United Nations. So your countries democratically voted to recognize PRC as China and to kick Taiwan out, how is that "bullying by China"? You said: "Lithuania just opened a Taiwanese embassy." Where's this official Taiwan embassy in Lithuania? Does it have the name Taiwan Embassy on the building indicating that it's an official Taiwan embassy? You said: "Long live Taiwan! Down with China!" So you're just anti-China that's all and you want China to fail is that right?
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  11351.  @junebug8485  "神州 Shenzhou I would define good governance as a place where one man's opinions doesn't warrant widespread censorship." Well, that's your own definition then, and your definition clearly differs from mine (which is that good governance means a government is able to deliver what the people want) I mean, comparing two scenarios: (1) The government censors but is able to deliver what the people want (2) The government doesn't censor, but is unable to deliver what the people want, then it's clear that (1) still represents good governance, while (2) doesn't. You can have zero censorship, but if your government is unable to deliver, then in my opinion it's not good governance. You said: "If you need to censor your own people then that's a sign you want more control over them and therefore you aren't for what the people want - but rather your own hold on power. Therefore the current Chinese government does not represent a form of democracy." Holding on to power yes. But again, if your government is able to deliver what the people want, then isn't that an indication of good governance (and therefore a form of democracy)? According to a long-term survey by Harvard University and Ash Center, around 80-90% of Chinese citizens support the Chinese government. A Harvard University survey has found that Chinese citizens' satisfaction with government has increased virtually across the board, with the central authorities receiving the strongest level of approval, increasing from 86 percent to 93 percent between 2003 and 2016, the period of the study. You said: "Let me ask you this: If we are truly a bad form of government and the people don't get what they want, how has this same system not collapsed or been through a regime change in over 230 years?" Perhaps in the early stages, for the first 100-200 years, America's government was able to deliver what the people want and most Americans enjoyed a good quality of life probably around 1950s. However, in recent years, the U.S system has become a plutocracy (i.e a government of the 1%, by the 1%, for the 1%) instead of a democracy, and subsequent U.S administrations are increasingly unable to deliver what the Americans truly want.
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  11356.  @keithborjes312  Trump will eventually have to step down, and then what's next? The USA lacks a long-term strategy against China, because US presidents have to step down after 4-8 years, and are thus, unable to make long-term plans spanning, say 10 years or more. Whereas Chinese government has put forth many 5-year plans, 10-year plans, 20-year plans, 30-year plans, etc to map out China's direction and future in 2020, 2030, 2040, 2050, etc, and to set specific goals for China to achieve. Here are some of China's goals include (but there may be more than this): -By 2020, China plans to eliminate poverty completely and establish moderately prosperous society. -By 2025, China plans to transform our manufacturing industry to incorporate high-end technology. -By 2030, China plans to be world leader in Artificial Intelligence -By 2035, China plans to be key innovative, scientific power and establish moderately socialist society. -By 2040, China plans to ban all fossil fuel powerplants and all non-electric vehicles for greener future. -By 2045, China plans to be world leading space nation, having established a space elevator. -By 2050, China plans to have surpassed the USA as global superpower, economically and militarily. By abolishing the presidential term limit, our leaders can remain in power long enough to see their plans for China bloom and come into fruition in the future. But the US presidents can't make long term plans, because they are limited by their term limits, and the two US parties constantly fight one another, sabotaging each other's plans, instead of fighting for America's future.
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  11363.  @johanhirte9661  Today, Tibet is recognised as part of China, even the United States recognise Tibet as part of China, and so on does Germany for crying out loud. Previously, while Tibet was under Dalai Lama rule, Tibet was a brutal theocracy, where 95% of the population were slaves and the remaining 5% elites were slave owners. Tibetan mountainous soil is infertile, rainfall is scarce in the Himalayas, so the slaves had to work hard to feed the Tibetan population. Starvation was commonplace and theft of food was punished by torture, amputation and even skinning. There's this Tibetan drum called damaru that's made from human skulls, a drumskin made of human skin and drumstick made of human bone. The Dalai Lama was overly worshipped and his followers fought for the right to consume his saliva, his urine and even his feces, because he was considered a divine vessel. After Tibet returned back to China, Chinese workers began rapidly modernising Tibet, building roads, railways, streetlamps, running water, gas and electricity as well as introducing modern amenities like cars, computers, telephone cables, smartphones, the Internet, WiFi, online shopping (from Taobao) and so on. Under CPC, the first Tibetan colleges opened in Lhasa, offering degrees in both Tibetan and Mandarin Chinese languages. Hydroelectric powerstations were built by Chinese to supply Tibetan homes with electricity. Chinese workers built the Qinghai-Lhasa railway (world's highest elevation railway) through dangerous mountainous terrain and low oxygen environments, to connect the normally isolated Tibet with the rest of the world. Tibet can now import food from the mainland to feed its population, and Tibet's population has tripled from 1 million in 1950s to over 3 million people today. A thriving tourist industry has even sprung up in Tibet.
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  11370. +General S. Patton U.S does not violate the rights of its own citizens on same footing as CCP? Snowden exposed that USA was tapping into communication lines and monitoring people's private conversations, so how is that much different from our system? Falun Gong practitioners are practicing ancient Chinese culture? Qigong widely practiced throughout China outside of Falun Gong. Falun Gong was only founded in 1992 by Li Hongzhi (less than 30 years ago) whereas Qigong has thousands of years of history, so isn't it obvious Falun Gong hijack Qigong practices to use in their new religion, which has been classified by some people as a cult. The leader, Li Hongzhi is very charismatic and influence his followers to believe he is immortal and can cure cancer. Some of his followers with early stage cancer, which is potentially treatable, have been encouraged to donate their savings to his cause, instead of seek medical treatment with doctors. RYB Education Institution is run by US-listed group and is a private company (not owned by the government) so how is it the government's fault and why you attribute its actions to that of the CPC? You are attributing the blame onto the wrong people, since the company is not government-run. Source rt.com/news/410862-us-run-nursery-china-abuse/ "Nail houses" are result of people who refuse to give up their property even when they have been offered 5 times the market rate for their houses. All they are doing is slowing progress of China, since roads have to be built around these places because they want more money for their houses. If you claim government is abusing citizen rights, then why not the government simply bulldoze these houses instead of listening to their requests? China's nail houses theguardian.com/cities/gallery/2014/apr/15/china-nail-houses-in-pictures-property-development
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  11436. +Yumeha Minakami Chinese crossbow invented in 6th century BC, long before the Gastraphetes, so won't the Greeks had time to copy Chinese inventions then? According to Wikipedia: Gastraphete, "There are no attestations through pictures or archaeological finds of the Gastraphetes" so how can you truly proved it exists? How can you prove it is independently occurring phenomena then? Crossbows weren't used throughout much of ancient history, prior to Chinese crossbow. so couldn't these people have learnt of the crossbow through trade with China? I have never claimed written characters are Middle Eastern invention. All I am talking about is crossbows, and you are the one unnecessarily bringing up bows and written language to detract from this conversation. Excuse me but did you actually watch the whole video you posted? Skallagrim also tested RIVETED mail around halfway through the video, specifically a reproduction of viking mail armor based on Gjermundbu find with RIVETED rings. Even the video's title is "Old vs. New - Bows and Crossbows tested on Butted and Riveted Mail Armor ("Chainmail")" so again, why am I wrong in claiming that a high powered arrow or crossbow bolt CAN penetrate mail armor, including RIVETED mail. Aside from blast furnace, so who invented the "Cupola Furnace" then? Who invented "Cast Iron"? What about the "Puddling" process to produce "Wrought Iron"? You claim everything else I said is wrong, then why don't you prove it, instead of just dismissing my research just like that? I never said Chinese invented iron, because iron comes in various grades, so a poor quality iron weapon would be susceptible to high grade bronze weapon. Do you actually know these things about metallurgy? I don't understand you here, you want to talk about "technological inventions," not seafaring capabilities so why are you introducing sea voyages into this discussion? Chinese people could simply be feeling the need not to explore and remained close to the coast that's all. If you claim Indian ships are most sophisticated, then why not produce evidence, instead of just claiming so? I have shown evidence of much of Chinese naval inventions, but you just keep ignoring what I said and dismissing my research. About Chinese history, I never said the other ships don't exist, all I am saying is that Red Cliff Naval Battle was merely a candidate for being one of the largest naval battles in history. Does that mean I deny other candidates or other naval battles? Why are you purposely misreading my statements? Every country have their own warship, and Chinese ships were in the form of "castle ships" during that time, so what am I saying wrong? Also piracy in Asia only emerged (or became significant) after 9th century AD, so why are you factoring piracy into this issue, set in Han dynasyt 200 BC to 200 AD? Aren't we limiting the time period to around the Three Kingdoms period, or are you suddenly including all of China's long history here? During Han dynasty, there weren't any records of piracy. Paper is still more popular than Papyrus. Why aren't we still using papyrus today then, if you look down on paper? Its cheaper, its easier to make and has several other advantages over papyrus. As for paper money being more convenient than gold and silver, how is this statement wrong? China didn't have enough gold and silver to circulate throughout the country, so of course it made it more convenient to use paper money instead of gold. Imagine today, modern countries would also have insufficient gold and silver to circulate among its citizenry, so why is China wrong for foreseeing the problems of the modern age, back when paper money was first invented? I have shown I am not wrong, when I said paper money is more convenient. Imagine today, if your country is short of gold and silver, because it is being circulated as currency today. Counterfeiting currency existed before paper money was made. No matter what material currency is made off, it can always be faked. I have been clear and precise in my statements, I make arguments to the best of my knowledge and support them with facts, dates and logic, whereas you appear to just dismiss my arguments without consideration. Mail armor is not the BEST armor in the world, and its usage declines approximately at the time of rise of high powered arrows and crossbows.
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  11447.  @jasonleetaiwan  You said: "but some how you think Chiang started it just because the CCP had smaller numbers. I never said that, I clearly stated that Chiang started dividing China by deliberately purging communists during the 1927 Shanghai Massacre. You're the one saying CPC was planning to overthrow the KMT government by force, but the communist strength was just 50 members in 1921, so how to overthrow by force? You said: "It's their intention and not their numbers. They were not a benevolent group of people." The Communists promised to take power from the corrupt landlords and redistributed it back to the peasantry (whom at that time, made up the majority of China's population) whereas it's the KMT that protected the corrupt landlords and continued taxing the peasants again and again. And there's also the case where the U.S sent some $750 million in aid to the KMT, but the KMT just pocket the money for themselves, until U.S President Truman made a remark about it. You said: "They were starting uprisings in Shanghai with the aim of taking military control of China." That was AFTER the April 12 1927 Shanghai Massacre where Chiang purged 5,000 - 10,000 communists, effectively declaring war on the communists. You think the communists are just going to suffer thousands of deaths of their comrades by Chiang and not do anything about it? It's clearly Chiang that started the Chinese Civil War, yet you refuse to accept this fact, and somehow insisted Mao divided and weakened China before and after WWII.
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  11449.  @jasonleetaiwan  You said: "神州 Shenzhou Of course he divided China by having an army in the first place that was fighting with the central government." Once again, because Chiang kai-shek started purging thousands of communists during the Shanghai Massacre, that's when the KMT declared war on the communists and you expect the communists to just lie down and die? In fact, it should have been a piece of cake for the KMT to wipe out the communists, yet through sheer grit and determination, the communists survived all KMT attempts to wipe them out, employing tactics such as the Long March 长征 to break free of KMT encirclement and regroup. This tactical retreat had seen communist forces reduced from 69,000 (October 1934) to just 7,000 (October 1935), while the KMT had a strength of over 300,000. You said: "And Mao was a traitor to China because he discouraged his generals from fighting the Japanese like Zhu De." So was Chiang a traitor to his people, because even after the Japanese invaded Manchuria in 1931, he continued purging communists (our fellow Chinese ) instead of meeting the invaders head-on? That it took a kidnapping and negotiations by CPC diplomats to finally get Chiang to ally with the communists against the Japanese invaders? You said: "The CCP also gave intelligence to the Japanese where the Nationalists troops were." Do you have actual concrete evidence that the CPC really did this? You said: "If they had lost, this all would have been exposed but instead you think they are heroes for sneaking up from behind later after Chiang did the real work defending China." Once again, Chiang refused to meet the Japanese invaders head on when they invaded Manchuria in 1931, and it took the communist goodwill by Zhou Enlai and Lin Boqu to negotiate for Chiang's release (even after what he did to the communists) to finally form an alliance between the KMT and the communists against the Japanese invaders. Also, we've already established that even after the Japanese surrendered at the end of WWII, the communists had a strength of 1,200,000 (July 1945) whereas the KMT had a strength of 2,000,000 (June 1946). So the KMT still outnumbered the communists even after WWII, and yet they still lost the mainland to a bunch of dirt-poor, ill-equipped, starving communist peasants?
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  11464.  @swanie360  "神州 Shenzhou China's EEZ (Exclusive Economic Zone) isn't recognised in international law" The United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea (UNCLOS) recognizes a country's EEZ, which extend 200 NM from the baseline. Within this area, the coastal nation has sole exploitation rights over all natural resources. In casual use, the term may include the territorial sea and even the continental shelf. So why you claim China's EEZ in the Paracel Islands isn't recognized? You said: "Otherwise offer historical evidence that these island belong to China, especially the Spratly islands." In the 14th century Song Dynasty work, Zhu fan zhi by Zhao Rugua, the names Qianli Changsha (千里長沙, lit. "Thousand mile-Long Sands") and Wanli Shichuang (萬里石床 lit. "Ten-thousand mile-Rock Bed") refered to Paracel and Spratly respectively. The Yuan dynasty work Daoyi Zhilüe by Wang Dayuan considers that Shitang (石塘) to be the same as Wanli Shitang (萬里石塘, lit. "Ten-thousand mile-Rock Embankment"), which starts from Chaozhou and extends to Borneo, west to Côn Sơn Island off Vietnam and down as far as Java. The History of Yuan uses the terms Qizhouyang (七洲洋, "The Ocean of Seven Islands") and Wanli Shitang, which are taken to mean Paracel and Spratly respectively. In the Mao Kun map from the Zheng He's voyage of the early 15th century, groups of islands were named as Shitang (石塘), Wansheng Shitangyu (萬生石塘嶼), and Shixing Shitang (石星石塘), with Shitang to mean Paracel. Another Ming text, Haiyu (On the Sea), uses Wanli Shitang to refer to Paracel and Wanli Changsha for Spratly. During the Qing dynasty, a set of maps refer to Paracel as Qizhouyang (Shitang became Spratly, and Changsha became Zhongsha), while a book Hai Lu (Illustrations of the Sea) refers to Paracel as Changsha and Spratly as Shitang. A sea chart prepared in the Daoguang era, Yiban Lu (Particular Illustrations) by Zheng Guangzu, uses Xisha to refer to Paracel. Xisha became the standard name used in China in the 20th century, and was used in 20th century maps published by the Republic of China, for example in 1935, and the 1947 11-dash line map which claimed Paracel and Spratly as its territories. You said: "Using your logic anything the Indian ocean belongs to India? I don't think so." All I'm saying is that majority of the Paracel Islands fall within 200 NM of China's geographic baseline, so it's within China's EEZ then why are you misinterpreting it to become Indian Ocean belonging to India? How is that my logic?
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  11525.  @user-bp3ou2dq2q  "But the cost would be the destruction of the island," The mainland does not intent to nuke Taiwan (that would be insane and serves no real purpose). A possible scenario is the People's Liberation Army learning a thing or two from the Russian special military operation, and focusing on demilitarizing Taiwan, targeting their airbases and military facilities first. "Tech shock for China" There would be an initial disruption to Taiwan's chipmaking industry. But once Taiwan is fully reunified with the mainland, the mainland would probably gain full access Taiwan's chips once production resumes. In fact, Taiwan exporting of chips to the mainland would probably be better streamlined and simplified after reunification. "economic shock (global sanctions)" Global as in the entire world? Probably the West would slap sanctions on China (as they did for Russia) but as for the developing world (i.e South America, Africa, Middle East, etc) they might still continue doing business with China. We shouldn't think of the West (which only represents 14% of the global population) as the entire world. "political cost" Indeed Chinese wouldn't be comfortable killing our brothers and sisters in Taiwan, but the mainland resolve to see Taiwan reunified with the mainland is strong. Additionally, if reunification is successful, it would show off the capabilities of the People's Liberation Army, and finally the West would get the message that China is not to be trifled with. With so many media claiming that China's Army is untested in combat, the successful reunification with Taiwan would be prove them wrong, and provide a boost to PLA's reputation a miltary force. But in the end, I share your opinion that such an outcome is not preferable for either Taiwan or the mainland. Hopefully the people in Taiwan realized that U.S is merely stoking separatist activity in the island and using the island as a chess piece to contain the mainland's rise.
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  11530. ​ @rr7369  "And of course democracy is better than totalitarianism, because the people are happier and FREE!" You're saying that people in India (world's largest democracy) are happier and free compared to people in China? Let's take for example women's position in India and China. An Indian woman's life expectancy is 71 years, whereas in China it's 79 years, so a Chinese woman lives 8 years longer than an Indian woman. In China, female literacy is 95% , in India it's 65%. The risk of a woman dying in childbirth is 8 times higher in India than in China. Yet you're claiming that because of "democracy" an Indian woman in India is happier and free compared to a Chinese woman in China? You said: "I'd rather be poor and free than rich and controlled by a dictator!" Not everyone is so lucky as to be born in European country like you, without having to worry about food, clothing, having access to education, healthcare, even just basic security. Why don't you go and live in India and taste what true poverty is like before spouting off such statements? Do you even know what's it like to eat dirt to survive? China was once a dirt-poor, war-torn, starving country in the past, similar to India (world's largest democracy) yet look at how far China has come under the leadership of the Communist Party of China compared to India under their Western-style democracy? "神州 Shenzhou And again US, US, US.... you are obsessed." It's clear that you know the U.S is influencing it's allies like UK, Canada, Australia to adopt an anti-China sentiment in order to contain China's rise. And it's not even in your countries interests, it's in the U.S interest to do so. The U.S abandoned it's allies when they choose to unilaterally withdraw from Afghanistan (without consulting any other world leader) and now USA seeks to start another war with China and dragging it's allies into it.
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  11534.  @rr7369  Now you're just hand waving away your contradiction by claiming you did not include a 😉, but the fact remains that you said China has 5000 years of history, but now contradict yourself by claiming China doesn't have 5000 years of history, then aren't you stumbling over your own words? And China's history is telling us that our country has always been historically governed under a strong central government under the Emperor and the Imperial Court, then can't China continue with such a political system? You said: "China has not benefited from the central government... they were responsible for it being dirt-poor and war-torn!" How? During the Republic of China 🇹🇼 (1912-1949) period when China was (technically) a democracy, China was a dirt-poor, war-torn starving country. When back when Dr Sun Zhongshan overthrew the previous Qing Dynasty China and established "democratic" Republic of China (1912-1949) China was divided into several areas, we lost control of Tibet, and various warlords ruled different parts of China and even Japan invaded China twice during this weak period of Chinese history. Dr. Sun tried to get help from the Western powers, but they laughed at the thought of China copying their democracy. They even gave away the Shandong province (which had been occupied by the Germans during WWI) to Japan, instead of returning it to China (even when China was part of the Allies during WWI). In the end, Dr. Sun died without ever realising a unified China under democracy. But then Mao Zedong came along, and he accomplished what the ROC could not, and reunifed China under communism, proclaiming the People's Republic of China 🇨🇳 in 1949 and Tibet was finally returned back to China in 1951. The KMT tried several times to wipe the communists and they nearly succeeded if not for Mao's strategem, the Long March, in which communist forces travelled incredible distances to evade the KMT and brought the communists back from the brink of extinction at the hands of the KMT. If not for Mao Zedong, China today would still be weak and divided country, fighting among ourselves, instead of the strong unified country we are today. You said: "China having the largest population in the world should make them number 1, not number 2!" India 🇮🇳 has the world's 2nd largest population in the world after China, as well as the world's largest democracy, then why isn't India number 1 or number 2 then? Why hasn't India even overtaken China, you tell me? You said: "Also, looking at GDP per capita, China is ranked 100! That's even worse than countries like Thailand etc!" That's an unfair comparison between China and Thailand. Looking at a GDP per capita basis, since China has the world's largest population, then if you divide our GDP by our enormous population, then of course China's GDP per capita would be low, as compared to Thailand. But if you compare the world's 2 most populous countries, then the GDP per capita of China is 10 times that of the GDP per capita of India (despite China having a larger population than India). You said: ""Made in China" is telling people they get a cheap product, "Made in Germany" is a sign for quality!" Not everyone in the world can afford a Made-in-Germany product, given their hefty price tags. Chinese workers make products like smartphones, computers, electronics, gadgets, clothing, toys, sneakers cheap so that the cost of living in other countries is kept lower than it should be. Think about the billions of dollars people in other countries have saved on living expenses, thanks to affordable Chinese goods. Money saved that can then be spent on other things like cars, luxury brands, housing, rent, tuition fees, etc. I mean, isn't that why many Americans flock to Walmart for their everyday low prices? Because it saves them money? You said: "Spending money in R&D doesn't automatically result in inventions... many Chinese companies still just copy foreign brands." Let's look at smartphones for example, and China has produced many successful smartphone companies like Huawei, Xiaomi, ZTE, Lenovo, Vivo, Realme, OnePlus, Tecno, and so on. Here's a list of the Top 10 Mobile Phone Brands in World 2021 Ranking List (according MBA Skool) Top 10 Mobile Phone Brands in World 2021 Ranking List Rank 1. Samsung (South Korean) Rank 2. Huawei (Chinese) Rank 3. Apple (American) Rank 4. Xiaomi (Chinese) Rank 5. Oppo (Chinese) Rank 6. Vivo (Chinese) Rank 7. LG (South Korean) Rank 8. ZTE (Chinese) Rank 9. Lenovo (Chinese) Rank 10. Realme (Chinese) ... Source: MBA Skool You said: "And having a big army and spending lots of money on the military is NOT something to be proud of!" Why not? China has learned long ago that a big country with a weak army will only tempt other countries to take invade and take advantage of our country. During the 19th century, the British wanted to continue drinking Chinese tea, but China did not want anything the West had to offer, so Britain waged two bloody wars with China and forced Chinese to buy opium from them at gunpoint, which we didn't want because it made us sick and was poisoning our people. During this weak period of Chinese history, Hong Kong was taken from China and made into British colony, to act as a drug distribution hub to spread the addiction throughout rest of China. Even when Britain renounced ownership over its former territories, Hong Kong was not fully returned back to China, and China had to agree to Sino-British declaration just for Britain to handover what belongs to us. Now with a strong military, foreign countries like Britain and Japan think twice about invading China and stealing our territories. You said: "So what is your criteria that the government is working? And even if I were to agree, that it does WORK... my point is that it would WORK BETTER without the CCP!" I've already listed my criteria and stood by my arguments. And you claim that it would "WORK BETTER without the CCP!" but where's your proof? China has never been more powerful than we are today under the leadership of the Communist Party of China, then is there really a need for China to abandon a political system that clearly works for our country?
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  11535.  @rr7369  "Wrong... China would be a flourishing democracy like Taiwan!" How is Taiwan flourishing? Taiwan used to be one of Four Asian Tigers but since democracy was introduced to Taiwan, it's economy is in slump, wages are stagnant, cost of living is rising and Taiwan graduates are leaving for jobs in the mainland or Singapore Video: How Taiwan Lost Its Roar And Its Young Talents | Insight | CNA Insider youtu.be/P3BCnPb8qHY?t=110 "From the '90s, Taiwan became a two-party system with more partisan disagreements on policy matters. This produced less effective policy making. Secondly, the ruling officials tend to be more conservative in Taiwan, so they do not enthusiastically push for policies to globalise and liberalise the island." - Ray Chou, Research Fellow, Institute of Economics, Academia Sinica You said: "You mean invaded once more!" Tibet was part of China since 800 years ago, back when the Mongols conquered Kingdom of Thibet and Song Dynasty China and incorporated those territories into Yuan Dynasty China. The Manchu conquerors did a similar thing with Tibet centuries later during the Qing Dynasty. Tibet broke free of China in 1912 but was eventually reunified with the mainland by 1951. I mean, even today, when people refer to the People's Republic of China and draw the map of China, Tibet Autonomous Region is considered part of China. You said: "Democracy alone is not enough, you need good leaders." Well, China has a good leader and President Xi Jinping has shown to be a strong and competent leader, willing to tackle to mountain of corruption inherent within the Communist Party, then what's wrong with China following our own political system? You claimed "China having the largest population in the world should make them number 1, not number 2!" then why hasn't India (world's largest democracy and 2nd most populous country) surpassed China? The problem with liberal democracy for countries with huge populations is that the votes can swing heavily. Look at the 2016 Presidential elections in the USA and already around 80,000 votes swung the election in favor of Donald Trump, then in a huge population democracy like India, the problems are magnified even further. Since China has found a political system that apparently works for our country, then is there really a need for China to abandon our system for Western-style democracy like India? You said: "They are successful BECAUSE they COPY!" How'd you think Japan or South Korea developed and industrialize then, if they didn't copy? I remember previously Japanese companies was copying Western companies, especially in the automotive industry, where their cars tended to be based on European or American models. For example, the 1917 Mitsubishi Model A was based on the Fiat A3-3 design. In the 1930s, Nissan Motors' cars were based on the Austin 7 and Graham-Paige designs, while the Toyota AA model was based on the Chrysler Airflow. _Ohta built cars in the 1930s based on Ford models, while Chiyoda and Sumida, a predecessor of Isuzu, built cars resembling General Motors products 1935 _Pontiac, and 1930s LaSalle. Japanese companies have since come a long way, and likewise, Chinese companies have come through as well. Chinese car companies like FAW Group, Dongfeng, SAIC Motor, Chang'an, Geely, BYD, etc are now producing higher quality vehicles. You said: "Bulls**t! Those countries haven't invaded ANYONE after WW2 and they even wouldn't do so, if China were without any army." Those countries had a history of invasion PRIOR, then why can't China build up an army to defend ourselves in case of the scenario of foreign invasion (as it has often happened in Chinese history) I mean, you have heard of China having 5,000 years of history right? You even previously mentioned (and I quote your words): "There have been many dynasties in "China"s history and their borders have been completely different from what we call China today. They all crumbled and/or where defeated!" then you're supporting China's need for an Army after all. You said: "Just like the US is never going to attack, unlike what many Chinese politicians claim!" Firstly, how can you say for certain the future that the U.S is never going to attack? Do you have powers of precognition, or a magical crystal ball to gaze into the future? Secondly, it is literally thanks to China's military acting as a deterrent to make the USA reconsider any potential invasion of China, then that's why a large country like China needs a big army. You said: "Where is your proof that I couldn't do a better job than the CCP?" Did I ever said you couldn't do a better job? Why are you asking me this question then? You're the one claiming that your point is that it would "WORK BETTER without the CCP!" then I'm asking you for prove to backup your claim. But you answered my question with a question of your own?
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  11536.  @rr7369  Taiwan had been under authoritarian single-party KMT rule for more than half its life. For decades the KMT ruled Taiwan with iron fist and Chiang kai-shek was a dictator who jailed and executed dissidents and political rivals (whether real or perceived) in a period known as White Terror (白色恐怖) and imposed martial law on Taiwan for more than 38 years, which was qualified as "the longest imposition of martial law by a regime anywhere in the world" at that time. But under authoritarian single-party KMT rule, Taiwan actually flourished and prospered, in what's known as the Taiwan Miracle (台湾奇迹). Between 1952 – 1982, Taiwan's economic growth was on average 8.7%, and between 1983 – 1986 at 6.9%. Taiwan GDP grew by 360% between 1965 – 1986. The percentage of global exports was over 2% in 1986, over other recently industrialized countries, and the global industrial production output grew a further 680% between 1965 – 1986. And its all been achieved under KMT leadership. Only in the late 1990s, when democracy was introduced (because USA threatened to cut off weapons sales to Taiwan) did Taiwan's economic growth became more modest. Since then, Taiwan's economy has stagnated, wages are stagnant, cost of living is rising, unemployment is rising and Taiwan graduates are increasingly seeking jobs abroad, such as in Singapore or mainland China. Taiwan was actually better off under authoritarian single-party KMT rule than they are today under democracy. ... The Tibetans themselves signed the Seventeen Point Agreement for the Peaceful Liberation of Tibet (中央人民政府和西藏地方政府关于和平解放西藏办法的协议) in 1951, thus affirming Chinese sovereignty over Tibet. So there's this legally binding agreement signed by the Tibetans themselves acknowledging Chinese sovereignty over Tibet.
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  11537.  @rr7369  "神州 Shenzhou so you think all of the world should be ruled by authoritarian single-party governments?" Did I ever indicated such? I'm saying that Taiwan's great economic success was built upon authoritarian single-party rule, under the KMT leadership and Chiang kai-shek's dictatorship, not because of Western-style democracy. So since that's the case, then why can't China continue our political system under the Communist Party of China when it has proven to be successful thus far? I mean, look at India (world's largest democracy and the world's 2nd most populous country) and they are nowhere near the level of China's development, then this goes to show that not all countries have to adopt Western-style democracy to be successful and China is living proof of this. You said: "Like North Korea etc? Don't hear you bragging about how great they are doing..." North Korea was actually once more economically developed than South Korea (which was dirt-poor and had GDP lower than sub-Saharan African countries) but the U.S slapped crippling sanctions on the DPRK, while pouring U.S aid into South Korea. The United States’ $35 billion investment in economic foreign assistance has helped the Republic of Korea (ROK), once one of the poorest nations, become the world’s 12th largest economy according to Borgen Project: How Has U.S. Foreign Assistance Has Helped South Korea You said: "Are you really this stupid? After every war/invasion someone is declared "ruler" of the losing party just to sign whatever the winners demand!" Then why not get all the non-Native Americans, Canadians and Australians to get out of America and Australia and leave the lands to the Native Americans and Australian Aboriginals? I mean, Tibet was part of China since longer than the entire colonial history of America, then why should we give up our ancestral lands?
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  11550. 1990. The Economist. China's economy has come to a halt 1996. The Economist. China's economy will face a hard landing 1998. The Economist: China's economy entering a dangerous period of sluggish growth 1999. Bank of Canada: Likelihood of a hard landing for the Chinese economy 2000. Chicago Tribune: China currency move nails hard landing risk coffin 2001. Wilbanks, Smith & Thomas: A hard landing in China 2002. Westchester University: China Anxiously Seeks a Soft Economic Landing 2003. New York Times: Banking crisis imperils China 2004. The Economist: The great fall of China? 2005. Nouriel Roubini: The Risk of a Hard Landing in China 2006. International Economy: Can China Achieve a Soft Landing? 2007. TIME: Is China's Economy Overheating? Can China avoid a hard landing? 2008. Forbes: Hard Landing In China? 2009. Fortune: China's hard landing. China must find a way to recover 2010: Nouriel Roubini: Hard landing coming in China 2011: Business Insider: A Chinese Hard Landing May Be Closer Than You Think 2012: American Interest: Dismal Economic News from China: A Hard Landing 2013: Zero Hedge: A Hard Landing In China 2014. CNBC: A hard landing in China 2015. Forbes: Congratulations, You Got Yourself A Chinese Hard Landing 2016. The Economist: Hard landing looms for China 2017. National Interest: Is China's Economy Going To Crash? 2018. The Daily Reckoning. China's Coming Financial Meltdown 2019. BBC. China's Economic Slowdown: How worried should we be? 2020. NYT. Coronavirus Could End China's Decades-Long Economic Growth Streak 2021 Bloomberg. Chinese economy risks deeper slowdown than markets realize 2022. Bloomberg China Surprise Data Could Spell R-e-c-e-s-s-i-o-n 2023. Bloomberg. No word should be off-limits to describe China's faltering economy ... Yet it's already 2024 and China's economy is still going strong.
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  11563.  @christt6809  "Why not letting the other choose for you what you want? Did your parent keep choosing for you how to live your life?" The question should be why let Westerners (i.e USA, UK, Canada, Australia, etc) tell Chinese how to govern our country? I mean, China's political system has shown to be viable for our country (and extremely successful to boot) then why should China abandon our political system and adopt Western brand of democracy? Because Westerners say so? Why should China listen to what Westerners telling Chinese how to govern our country? "According to you, they should, since they have more experience and knowledge about life than you." China has 5000 years of history and is among the world's oldest "continuous" civilization still alive today, whereas other ancient civilizations like Mesopotamia, Rome and Egypt have since succumbed to history. China has witnessed the birth and death of various other nations, the rise and fall of numerous other empires, yet China has survived the violent passage of time to modern times relatively intact, whereas even Rome eventually crumbled. China has always been under the authoritarian rule (and we still are today) of emperors and the imperial court, because that's how China has been successfully governed for millennia. Not all countries have to adopt Western democracy to be successful and China is living proof of this. "What about getting inform and getting implicated yourself in politic?" If you want to participate in politics in China, then you apply to join the Communist Party of China and pass their strict criteria. The top 5% of students in all schools get recruited to join the communist party where they serve 1 year of probation and after which, they can participate in political decision making and garner votes from other politically experienced communist members. But again, why should ordinary people participate in political decision making? I already outlined several reasons why it's a bad idea.
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  11564.  @christt6809   You said: "Remember, it is the CCP that as bring China in absolute poverty before they finely give some economic liberty to the Chinese." The Communist Party did not bring absolute poverty to China. China's poverty was caused by the Century of Humiliation at the hands of foreigners. During the 19th century, the British wanted to continue drinking Chinese tea, but China did not want anything the West had to offer, so Britain waged two bloody wars with China and forced Chinese to buy opium from them at gunpoint, which we didn't want because it made us sick and was poisoning our people. During this weak period of Chinese history, Hong Kong was taken from China and made into British colony, to act as a drug distribution hub to spread the addiction throughout rest of China. Even when Britain renounced ownership over its former territories, Hong Kong was not fully returned back to China, and China had to agree to Sino-British declaration just for Britain to handover what belongs to us. "The KMT that you praise was a nightmare of oppression... and again, when you start from the absolute bottom, you can only go up." Yes, but you can't ignore the fact that Taiwan's economy flourished and experienced massive economic growth during authoritarian single-party KMT rule of Taiwan. After democracy was introduced, Taiwan's economy has since stagnated, cost of living is rising, unemployment is rising and Taiwan graduates are seeking employment opportunities abroad. Even at 8:20 of John Oliver's video, you can see Taiwan government brawling and throwing water balloons and pig guts at each other, it an indication of Taiwan suffering under democracy. "Progess seems pretty big when you start from starvation... maintaining a balanced economy is a lot more complicated." So which other country started from a once dirt-poor, war-torn, starving country in the past and transformed into the world's 2nd largest economy today like China has? Look at India (the world's largest democracy) and why hasn't India surpassed China, despite being a Western style democratic country unlike China?
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  11595.  @fcl3294  You said Mao said: “When there is not enough to eat people starve to death. It is better to let half of the people die so that the other half can eat their fill.” (大家吃不饱,大家死,不如死一半,让另一半人能吃饱) The original and complete quote from Mao was: "要完成计划,就要大减项目。1078个项目中还应该坚决地再削减,削减500个。平均使用力量是破坏大跃进的办法。大家吃不饱,大家死,不如死一半,另一半人吃饱。" Translation: "To complete the plan, we need to drastically cut projects. The (existing) 1,078 projects should be further, determinedly cut, by another 500. Using our power (resources) averagely is a way to sabotage the Great Leap Forward. “When there is not enough to eat, people starve to death. It is better to let half the people die so that others can eat their fill.” He said this in March, 1953, when talking about 第二季度生产安排 (production arrangements for second season) that year. So, this is not about distributing food, or whatever misinformed or deliberately misinforming individuals believe to be about the great famine that came years later (again, pay attention to the fact that Mao said this in 1953 when there was no large-scale food shortage whatsoever). I suspect that that Frank Dikotter did not put the quote into its original context, most likely omitting the sentence right before the “when there is not enough to eat” part. Also, in the quote, Mao was actually talking about cutting plans, not adding on to them in the Great Leap Forward.
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  11641. ​ @eltyjamessmith3482  While the communists had indeed received support from Soviet Union, the nationalist Kuomintang (Taiwan) had also received US military aid to help them fight the communists. But the KMT were notoriously corrupt, having pocketed some 750,000,000 dollars worth of US military aid, until even US President Harry Truman made a remark about it and wrote that "the Chiangs, the Kungs and the Soongs (were) all thieves." Source: Wikipedia: Kuomintang Also, it was United Nation's own decision to kick out Republic of China (Taiwan) and to recognize the People's Republic of China (China) as China, through a democratic voting process back in 1971. According to United Nations General Assembly Resolution 1668, any proposal to change the designated representation of China at the UN would require a two-thirds majority vote and the poll results were 61 in favor, 34 against it, 7 abstaining and 2 non-voting. Next, the United Nations General Assembly Resolution 2758 was passed in response and the results were 76 in favor, 35 against it, 17 abstaining and 3 non-voting as shown in the following map. Source; Map of results of United Nations General Assembly Resolution 2758 wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Voting_res_2758.png As you can see, the US voted against PRC so how did USA betray ROC? The resolution was then passed on 25 October 1971, and recognized the People's Republic of China (PRC) as "the only legitimate representative of China to the United Nations" and removed the collective representatives of Chiang Kai-shek and the Republic of China from the United Nations. So PRC is recognized as the legitimate authority over China through a democratic voting process by UN countries, in which PRC won with two-thirds majority vote over ROC.
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  11649.  @readyandwaitingwithasupris3693  About receiving funding, the Chinese government is pouring funds into R&D, and China already has world's highest R&D spending according to the following source: Countries by Research and Development spending 1. China ($553.4 billion) 2. United States ($511.1 billion) 3. European Union ($379.0 billion) 4. Japan ($165.7 billion) 5. Germany ($118.8 billion) 6. South Korea ($91.6 billion) 7. India ($66.5 billion) 8. France ($60.0 billion) 9. United Kingdom ($44.8 billion) 10. Russia ($42.6 billion) ... Source: List of countries by research and development spending wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_research_and_development_spending#List In the West, researchers often have to worry about funding, so they write papers and cite other peoples work to improve their credibility, so that they can expand their academic circles, get approval of grants so that they can publish more papers. It has degenerated into an academic system and many researcher's ideas remain on paper, instead of being turned into actual products. Whereas in China, research funds are available at all tiers of society, from corporate to government sector, and a struggling research can easily get a $40,000 funding approval, thus freeing the researcher to concentrate on his/her research instead of having to worry about funding. The idea-to-product transition time in China is short too, so many researchers can feel a sense of satisfaction, witnessing their ideas being turned to actual products.
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  11658.  @Andrew-ib7gs  As for HK accounting for 22% of Chinese GDP 30 years ago, and being less than 2% today, by bringing up China's phenomenal economic growth over the last 30 years, you're basically admitting that China's economic growth occurred under authoritarian CPC rule. Since you claim China is not a Western brand of democracy. So the logic is, since China's phenomenal growth for 30 occurred under the CPC rule, then should China abandon our political system and adopt Western brand of democracy? Why abandon a system that works for China and adopt Western brand of democracy? Because Westerners say so? You said Hong Kong's economy made up 22%of Chinese GDP 30 years ago, well that's because Hong Kong was a British colony before the 1997 handover. That means that Hong Kong thrived as a British colony and only began to decline after the 1997 handover. So given that the mainland is successful under the CPC, while Hong Kong is suffering under their current government, wouldn't you agree that Hong Kong would be better governed were fully returned back to China rather than having their own separate government? Look at prosperous Shenzhen in the mainland, just across from Hong Kong and Shenzhen’s economic growth surpassed Hong Kong's in 2017. Source: Shenzhen surpasses US$338 billion GDP mark in 2017, beats Hong Kong and Singapore’s growth scmp.com/news/china/economy/article/2128310/shenzhen-88-cent-hi-tech-growth-roll-hit-y2tr-2017 Shenzhen is roughly the same economic size as Singapore and Hong Kong, but recorded nominal output of 2.2 trillion yuan (US$338 billion) in 2017 thanks to its booming hi-tech sector. Over 40% of the output came from “innovative” businesses such as internet, biotech and telecom. And that's despite Shenzhen being under communist party rule, while Hong Kong is suffering under its own democratic government.
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  11667. Here's the Chinese way to explain the Ukraine/Russia war in the form of a family drama to help clear up confusion about the situation: More than 20 years ago, Ukraine divorced her ex-husband (Russia), taking several children along with her. Still, the ex-husband was very accommodating to her and generously left her with a lot of family property as well as paying off more than 200 billion in debts for her. After getting rid of her ex-husband, Ukraine started flirting with the village chief (United States) and his harem of concubines (i.e NATO countries) until she was completely ensnared in their arms. That's still acceptable to a certain degree, (but) she was enraptured with the village tyrant, and hooked up with him in a plan to attack her ex-husband. The ex-husband was very angry and had insisted on returning a child: Crimea. Ukraine began to harboring grudges against her ex-husband, and someday dreams of marrying into the NATO family, and of surrounding and constricting her ex-husband. The village chief didn't really want to marry Ukraine into the NATO family, because she was high-maintenance and loved to splurge money. Even his many wives did not want her into the family, yet they still encouraged her to join the family. In truth, the village chief just wanted to use her like a pawn to bully her ex-husband. After 8 years of constant abuse, her two children (Donetsk and Luhansk) were crying and imploring for help from their father. The village chief was always on the sidelines in the ex husband and wife conflict, occasionally sending in expired items (ammunition) from time to time. Ukraine thought she had someone to support her, and became even more presumptuous towards her ex-husband. The ex-husband could bear it no longer, took another glance at the poor treatment of the children, and rushed over in defense of his two children, so the ex husband and wife started fighting. Now, the village chief and his many wives are cheering on Ukraine from the sidelines, yet none of them are willing to lift a finger and partake in the actual fighting themselves. Ukraine is unlikely to marry into the NATO family, because that would mean that the village chief and his many wives would have to join the fight against the ex-husband. ... Hopefully this helps clear up any confusion in the Ukraine/Russian war and puts it on a more relatable level.
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  11688.  @davethebrahman9870  Previously, while Tibet was under Dalai Lama rule, Tibet was a brutal theocracy, where 95% of the population were slaves and the remaining 5% elites were slave owners. Tibetan mountainous soil is infertile, rainfall is scarce in the Himalayas, so the slaves had to work hard to feed the Tibetan population. Starvation was commonplace and theft of food was punished by torture, amputation and even skinning. There's this Tibetan drum called damaru that's made from human skulls, a drumskin made of human skin and drumstick made of human bone. The Dalai Lama was overly worshipped and his followers fought for the right to consume his saliva, his urine and even his feces, because he was considered a divine vessel. After Tibet returned back to China, Chinese workers began rapidly modernising Tibet, building roads, railways, streetlamps, running water, gas and electricity as well as introducing modern amenities like cars, computers, telephone cables, smartphones, the Internet, WiFi, online shopping (from Taobao) and so on. Under CPC, the first Tibetan colleges opened in Lhasa, offering degrees in both Tibetan and Mandarin Chinese languages. Hydroelectric powerstations were built by Chinese to supply Tibetan homes with electricity. Chinese workers built the Qinghai-Lhasa railway (world's highest elevation railway) through dangerous mountainous terrain and low oxygen environments, to connect the normally isolated Tibet with the rest of the world. Tibet can now import food from the mainland to feed its population, and Tibet's population has tripled from 1 million in 1950s to over 3 million people today. A thriving tourist industry has even sprung up in Tibet.
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  11701.  @andrenogueira5058  Chairman Mao did not murder those people, they starved to death because of the Great Chinese Famine caused by bad weather conditions like flood and drought, causing destruction of crops and resulting in poor harvests and mass starvation. Even Mao himself couldn't control the weather isn't it? And even if he somehow could, he would have wished for fair weather and bountiful harvests, because his objective is to make China strong enough to resist foreign imperialism. About China's involvement in Vietnam, during the First Indochina War, China supplied and provided the Việt Minh guerrilla forces with almost every kind of crucial and important supplies and material required, such as food (including thousands of tonnes of rice), money, medics and medical aid and supplies, arms and weapons, ammunition and explosives and other types of military equipment. 2,000 military advisors from the PRC and the Soviet Union trained the Việt Minh guerrilla force with the aim of turning it into a full-fledged armed force to fight off their French colonial masters and gain national independence. On top of this, the PRC sent two People's Liberation Army (PLA) artillery battalions to help the Vietnamese fight for independence. From 1950 to 1954 the Chinese government shipped goods, materials, and medicine worth $43 billion (in 2019 dollars) to Vietnam. From 1950 to 1956 the Chinese government shipped 155,000 small arms, 58 million rounds of ammunition, 4,630 artillery pieces, 1,080,000 artillery shells, 840,000 hand grenades, 1,400,000 uniforms, 1,200 vehicles, 14,000 tons of food, and 26,000 tons of fuel to Vietnam.
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  11713.  @YakuzaSRC  Backstabbing? It was Chinese Premier Zhou Enlai that had formulated The Five Principles of Peaceful Coexistence (和平共处五项原则) to define China-India relations and which formed the basis of the Panchsheel Agreement. But in 1959, the 14th Dalai Lama led a failed rebellion in Tibet and fled to India, the Indian PM Nehru choose to provide asylum to him instead of handling him over back to China. This created suspicion in China towards India's motives regarding Tibet. About the events leading up to the 1962 Sino-Indian War, not only did India provide shelter to Chinese fugitive, the Dalai Lama, but Chinese government had proposed settling our border disputes diplomatically, but the Indian PM Nehru would have none of it. Instead Nehru pursued his aggressive Forward Policy of building military outposts at our disputed border, even going beyond the internationally recognized line. There were eventually 60 of such outposts, including 43 beyond the line and on actual Chinese territory. In the end, China had no choice but to react militarily to defend our sovereignty against Indian invaders entering Chinese territory. You said: "Most Indian now have innate dislike for the Communist system of government." Because the Indian Media try to downplay Nehru's aggressive Forward Policy of building military outposts at our disputed border (and on actual Chinese territory)_ while taking credit for "Hindi Chini Bhai Bhai" when it was derived from Zhou Enlai's Five Principles of Peaceful Coexistence, while neglecting to mention China's numerous attempts to settle our border dispute diplomatically. Yet when Chinese workers build a road on Chinese territory in Donglong, the Indian Army rushed in to block Chinese road construction in our own territory.
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  11756.  @richarde.halliburton8022  Towards the end of the Chinese Civil War, when KMT fled the mainland, Chiang kai-shek began transferring mainland gold reserves from Shanghai to Taipei, which form the basis for Taiwan's currency. In 1948, President of the Kuomintang (KMT) government, Chiang Kai-shek was losing the civil war in north-east China against the Communists. He began planning a retreat to Taiwan and he intended to take the gold reserves with him. Source: How one man took China’s gold mining.com/web/how-one-man-took-chinas-gold/ Estimates of how much was moved differ between sources, ranging from between 3 million – 5 million taels (113.6 tons – 115.2 tons). In The Archives of Gold published in 2010, Dr Wu Sing-yung, outlines how his father (head of finance for the KMT government) helped to mastermind the operation that saw over 4 million taels of gold be moved from Shanghai to Taiwan. One tael is 37.2 grams. So KMT in Taiwan had an injection of capital to kick-start it's economy, whereas the CPC in the mainland were in ruins, devastated by Japanese invasion and civil strife. So how can you just claim that Taiwan is successful while the mainland isn't, when the KMT transfered China's gold reserves from the mainland to Taiwan? This action made Taiwan richer and the mainland poorer. Yet under communist party rule, mainland China has long surpassed Taiwan economically, militarily and politically today. Today, mainland China is the world's 2nd largest economy, the world's factory (Made in China) having world's 2nd highest R&D spending, being world's 3rd largest weapons exporter, protected by world's largest land army, the People's Liberation Army, funded by world's 2nd highest military expenditure and China today has strong global presence as well as being an influential player of world politics. Whereas Taiwan's economy is ranked 23rd in the world, their manufacturing jobs have been virtually all but outsourced to the mainland ('Made in Taiwan' used to be commonplace, now its been largely replaced by 'Made in China') Taiwan has failed to deliver on their promise to someday retake the mainland and it relies on US weapon imports. Worst of all, Taiwan has hardly any global presence, it's merely a pawn on the chessboard between world powers.
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  11758.  @augustuswoods4548  How am I redirecting and obfuscating? You mentioned Tiananmen Square Massacre (those are your own words) and I have already cited sources that it's a Myth propagated by the British, since all verified eyewitness accounts say that nothing happened inside Tiananmen Square Jun 1989 and the students who remained in the square when troops arrived were allowed to leave peacefully. That is the topic we were talking about, isn't it? The Tiananmen Square Massacre? I have been focusing on the Tiananmen Square Massacre, citing Jay Matthews that no one died that night in Tiananmen Square Jun 1989 as well as a Wikileaks example by Chilean diplomat (Carlos Gallo) who said that there was no mass firing into the crowds inside Tiananmen Square. “A Chilean diplomat provides an eye-witness account of the soldiers entering Tiananmen Square: He watched the military enter the square and did not observe any mass firing of weapons into the crowds, although sporadic gunfire was heard. He said that most of the troops which entered the square were actually armed only with anti-riot gear — truncheons and wooden clubs; they were backed up by armed soldiers.” A following cable stated: “A Chilean diplomat provides an eye-witness account of the soldiers entering Tiananmen Square: Although gunfire could be heard, he said that apart from some beating of students, there was no mass firing into the crowd of students at the monument.” Source: wibailoutpeople.org/2017/04/21/wikileaks-confirms-it-tiananmen-square-massacre-was-a-myth/
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  11759.  @richarde.halliburton8022  So now that you admitted that non-democracies like mainland China can do well, then why should China abandon our political system and adopt Western brand of democracy? Because Westerners say so? When China has been far more successful under our current political system? And if you go and read Taiwan's own constitution, it says that Taiwan is part of China. Taiwan claims all of mainland China (including Tibet, Xinjiang, Inner Mongolia, Manchuria, etc) as part of the their territory, including territory currently under the control of Mongolia, Burma, Bhutan, India, Japan, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Russia and Tajikistan. Here's a map of ROC Administrative and Claims. Source: ROC Administrative and Claims wikipedia.org/wiki/File:ROC_Administrative_and_Claims.svg Since there hasn't been any amendments to Taiwan's constitution, then by default, Taiwan is part of China under their own constitution. So Taiwan can claim all of the mainland, then why can't mainland China claim Taiwan as part of our territory? Hong Kong was taken from China by Britain. During the 19th century, the British wanted to continue drinking Chinese tea, but China did not want anything the West had to offer, so Britain waged two bloody wars with China and forced Chinese to buy opium from them at gunpoint, which we didn't want because it made us sick and was poisoning our people. During this weak period of Chinese history, Hong Kong was taken from China and made into British colony, to act as a drug distribution hub to spread the addiction throughout rest of China. Even when Britain renounced ownership over its former territories, Hong Kong was not fully returned back to China, and China had to agree to Sino-British declaration just for Britain to handover what belongs to us.
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  11770. Here's the Chinese way to explain the Ukraine/Russia war in the form of a family drama to help clear up confusion about the situation: More than 20 years ago, Ukraine divorced her ex-husband (Russia), taking several children along with her. Still, the ex-husband was very accommodating to her and generously left her with a lot of family property as well as paying off more than 200 billion in debts for her. After getting rid of her ex-husband, Ukraine started flirting with the village chief (United States) and his harem of concubines (i.e NATO countries) until she was completely ensnared in their arms. That's still acceptable to a certain degree, (but) she was enraptured with the village tyrant, and hooked up with him in a plan to attack her ex-husband. The ex-husband was very angry and had insisted on returning a child: Crimea. Ukraine began to harboring grudges against her ex-husband, and someday dreams of marrying into the NATO family, and of surrounding and constricting her ex-husband. The village chief didn't really want to marry Ukraine into the NATO family, because she was high-maintenance and loved to splurge money. Even his many wives did not want her into the family, yet they still encouraged her to join the family. In truth, the village chief just wanted to use her like a pawn to bully her ex-husband. After 8 years of constant abuse, her two children (Donetsk and Luhansk) were crying and imploring for help from their father. The village chief was always on the sidelines in the ex husband and wife conflict, occasionally sending in expired items (ammunition) from time to time. Ukraine thought she had someone to support her, and became even more presumptuous towards her ex-husband. The ex-husband could bear it no longer, took another glance at the poor treatment of the children, and rushed over in defense of his two children, so the ex husband and wife started fighting. Now, the village chief and his many wives are cheering on Ukraine from the sidelines, yet none of them are willing to lift a finger and partake in the actual fighting themselves. Ukraine is unlikely to marry into the NATO family, because that would mean that the village chief and his many wives would have to join the fight against the ex-husband. ... Hopefully this helps clear up any confusion in the Ukraine/Russian war and puts it on a more relatable level.
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  11792.  SS3 Super  Previously, while Tibet was under Dalai Lama rule, Tibet was a brutal theocracy, where 95% of the population were slaves and the remaining 5% elites were slave owners. Tibetan mountainous soil is infertile, rainfall is scarce in the Himalayas, so the slaves had to work hard to feed the Tibetan population. Starvation was commonplace and theft of food was punished by torture, amputation and even skinning. There's this Tibetan drum called damaru that's made from human skulls, a drumskin made of human skin and drumstick made of human bone. The Dalai Lama was overly worshipped and his followers fought for the right to consume his saliva, his urine and even his feces, because he was considered a divine vessel. After Tibet returned back to China, Chinese workers began rapidly modernising Tibet, building roads, railways, streetlamps, running water, gas and electricity as well as introducing modern amenities like cars, computers, telephone cables, smartphones, the Internet, WiFi, online shopping (from Taobao) and so on. Under CPC, the first Tibetan colleges opened in Lhasa, offering degrees in both Tibetan and Mandarin Chinese languages. Hydroelectric powerstations were built by Chinese to supply Tibetan homes with electricity. Source: List of universities and colleges in Tibet wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_universities_and_colleges_in_Tibet Source: List of major power stations in the Tibet Autonomous Region wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_major_power_stations_in_the_Tibet_Autonomous_Region Chinese workers built the Qinghai-Lhasa railway (world's highest elevation railway) through dangerous mountainous terrain and low oxygen environments, to connect the normally isolated Tibet with the rest of the world. Tibet can now import food from the mainland to feed its population, and Tibet's population has tripled from 1 million in 1950s to over 3 million people today. A thriving tourist industry has even sprung up in Tibet.
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  11804.  Atma 01  Look at what India did to its borders: ‪1947 annex Kashmir ‬ ‪1949 annex Manipur ‬ ‪1949 annex Tripura ‬ ‪1951 hitting south Tibet ‬ ‪1954 annex Nagaland ‬ ‪1961 annex Goa‬ ‪1962 annex karapani of Nepal‬ ‪1962 attack China‬ ‪1971 annex Turtuk of Pakistan ‬ ‪1972 annex Tin Bigha of Bangladesh‬ 1975 attack and annex Sikkim 1983 attack Mauritius ‬ ‪1987 invade Sri Lanka ‬ ‪1990 attack Bhutan ‬ ‪2006 annex Dooars of Bhutan ‬ ‪2013 annex Moreh of Burma ‬ ‪2017 attack China ‬ ‪2017 attack Bhutan ‬ ‪2018 invade Maldives‬ ‪2020 attacking one Chinese soilder with plenty of soilders first‬ ‪2020 break the border deal that made by China and India and said they killed 5 Chinese soilder Yet you claim China push Nepal into dispute with India? Where's your proof? You just trying to blame China for the border dispute between India and Nepal when its up to your countries to solve your border dispute? And the 14th Dalai Lama is certainly not elected by anyone, so what "Tibetan President" are you talking about? When was 14th Dalai Lama's election (if any?) What was the poll results? Then how is the 14th Dalai Lama a "Tibetan President" when he wasn't even elected? And the Tibetan Government in Exile isn't even formally recognised by any other country, what are you even talking about? The Central Tibetan Administration is not recognised as a sovereign government by any country and they receive their funding from the CIA so isn't this an attempt by USA to interfere in China's sovereignty over Tibet? The CTA is not recognised as a sovereign government by any country, but it receives financial aid from governments and international organisations for its welfare work among the Tibetan exile community in India. In October 1998 the Dalai Lama's administration acknowledged that it received US$1.7 million a year in the 1960s from the US Government through the Central Intelligence Agency, which had also trained a guerrilla force at Camp Hale in Colorado. Source: Wikipedia: Central Tibetan Administration
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  11817.  @tonypeterson5316  "why was China so poor? Why were so many living under poverty? Why was their military so outdated?" More of your incessant questions. Much of China's vast wealth was plundered by Western powers during the Century of Humiliation. During the 19th Century, the British wanted to continue drinking Chinese tea, but China did not want anything the West had to offer, so the British wages two wars with China and forced us to buy opium from them at gunpoint, which we didn't want because it made us sick and was poisoning our people. Chinese port cities like Hong Kong was taken and made in to a British colony, in order to spread the addiction throughout the rest of China. (Even after the 1997 return of Hong Kong to China, China had to agree to the Sino-British Declaration in order for Britain to handover what's originally China's) There were several other events, such as the sacking of the Old Summer Palace (圆明园). The Old Summer Palace was home to many of China's exquisite artworks – sculptures, porcelain, jade, silk robes, elaborate textiles, gold objects, but was looted by the French and British soldiers and are now located in 47 museums around the world, according to UNESCO. Then we have the Boxer Rebellion, where Eight Nations (Germany, Japan, Russia, Britain, France, the United States, Italy, and Austria-Hungary) formed an alliance to invade China, kill our men, plunder our wealth and carve up China's territory like a pie (in that infamous French Cartoon) and serve it to themselves. It's a combination of these factors that resulted in China's wealth being looted and our country descending into poverty and our military becoming outdated.
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  11828.  @storage4539  Well, Hong Kong was taken from China by the British during the 19th century, so when Hong Kong was returned back to China on 1997, can't China remove Hong Kong from the UN, since it's part of China? As for changing the political structure of Hong Kong, the British ruled Hong Kong under authoritarian colonial rule for 150 years, during which Hong Kong practically did not enjoy democracy while it was a British colony, it was actually during the period of Hong Kong's 1997 return to mainland that Hong Kong people finally get to vote under the One Country, Two System Policy. You said: "The problem with Article 45 is the portion you chose to skip. "....The ultimate aim is the selection of the Chief Executive by universal suffrage upon nomination by a broadly representative nominating committee in accordance with democratic procedures." I have read that line, but what's seems to be the problem? It just states that universal suffrage is the ultimate aim, but since there is no deadline, then basically there is no promise of granting universal suffrage to Hong Kong. It just states that that's a aim (a goal) that's all, not a promise. And the point remains in the earlier portion of Article 45, that Beijing (aka the Central People's Government) reserves the right to appoint the Hong Kong Chief Executive in light of the actual situation in Hong Kong. So China isn't actually violating the Hong Kong Basic Law, nor the Sino-British Declaration by appointing the Chief Executive. You said: "During one of the riots, an officer in HK police uniform was yelling at another policeman saying "you don't deserve to be a soldier" in Mandarin." What's the name of that officer who yelled such a line? Do you actually have proof that those words were from the HK police officer or was it from just one of the passers-by that happens to speak Mandarin? So according to your logic, because Joshua Wong speaks in English (albeit brokenly and with a heavy accent) it means that he's an Western spy?
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  11847.  @storage4539  The Hong Kong Police did exhibit incredibly restraint during the 2019 Hong Kong riots, despite the violence perpetrated by the protestors, that's why there were 0 deaths by the HKPF during 2019, whereas you can't say the same for George Floyd, Ahmaud Arbery, Breonna Taylor, Rayshard Brooks and other African Americans at the hands of American police. And you claimed that I made judgements such as treated them as humans, but you're the one who talked about dehumanising the HKPF. In fact, you're the one who brought up "police brutality" when I never talked about it. How would I know if the U.S policemen demonstrate a high level of discipline? I'm not here to discuss discipline, all I did was point out that there were 0 deaths by the HKPF during 2019, compared to the deaths of African Americans at the hands of U.S police. I never made any judgement of a high level of discipline for the U.S police, so what's the point of you bringing it up? I brought up George Floyd because his death was in 2020, during the same period as the 2019-2020 Hong Kong riots, yet you're bringing up events in 2014 (and even 1989) many years and decades ago? And the deaths under British colonial rule of Hong Kong is even earlier, because of the colonizers mindset over the colonized people. My counter argument to your claim that Hong Kong police were dehumanising thr protestors was to point out that there were 0 deaths by the HKPF during 2019 Hong Kong riots. And only now than you started using their names? All this time you've been calling her that Shenzhen woman and you refused to mention the African Americans names then it almost sounded like you were dehumanising them, that's my observation that's all. And I've been spelling Arbery correct all this time, what are you talking about? According to your definition, then simply insulting others like calling them expletives like the son of a female dog, is considered dehumanisation in your eyes? What about calling someone a cartoon bear like Winnie the Pooh for example? Is that considered dehumanising? And again, since we all know that the man in the grey shirt is not a Hong Kong Policeman, then why'd you jump to the conclusion that PLA soldiers are disguised as Hong Kong police? You even quoted Hong Kong Police recruitment website stating that Cantonese fluency is a requirement, so that already rules out the man in grey.
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  11848.  @storage4539  "神州 Shenzhou Your argument has been the HK Police showed "restraint" and "discipline"... Then how did you know the HK Police demonstrated a high level of discipline?" I did mention restraint but I never mentioned discipline. Did I ever said that the HKPF demonstrated a high level of discipline? All I said was that the HKPF did exhibit incredible restraint during the 2019 Hong Kong riots, that's why there was 0 deaths by the HKPF, whereas you can't say the same for George Floyd and the other African Americans. You said: "You didn't know the US cases you mentioned were not riots or protests, right? Also, please google how Ahmaud Arbery was killed and you may want to omit his case the next time." That makes it even more tragic given that deaths resulted from individual cases. Ahmaud Arbery was shot while jogging. You said: "The Shenzhen case is more relevant if you want to talk about police brutality of which you don't have the capacity to discuss." Again, I never mentioned police brutality, in fact it was you who brought it up, when I never talked about it. Even you agreed about it when you said: "神州 Shenzhou Yes, I agree that you never mention police brutality." And as for Ahmaud Abery, what difference does it make as long as people know who I'm referring to? I don't even understand your logic how is misspelling someone's name make them less human? It's not as though we are calling Jews "Rats" or Tutsi as "cockroaches". For example, the Ukrainian President Zelenskyy has many different spellings of his name like Zelensky or Zelenskiy on different media, but how's that equal to dehumanizing a person? You said: "You still don't understand the meaning of the word "disguise"." Since we all know that the man in the grey shirt is not a Hong Kong Policeman, then why'd you jump to the conclusion that PLA soldiers are disguised as Hong Kong police? You even quoted Hong Kong Police recruitment website stating that Cantonese fluency is a requirement, so that already rules out the man in grey. In fact I think the person who's really disguised here is you. You're pretending to praise PLA actions in 1989, while you're ever so reluctant to talk about U.S police killings of African Americans, then why continue this pretense?
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  11849.  @storage4539  Search my posts I never actually mentioned discipline, I did mention restraint, since there were 0 deaths by the HKPF despite the violence by the 2019 Hong Kong protesters. But you can't say the same for the African Americans like George Floyd, Ahmaud Abery, Breonna Taylor, Rayshard Brooks. Did I ever made such a reply to Rosalynn Chow? There is no record of such a reply in my Internet archive, so why are you making stuff out of nowhere? As for the concept of "dehumanizing", clearly we are using Ahmaud Abery's name, even if misspelled. But you earlier you never actually referred to the Shenzhen woman by name in the first place, so it appears that you're dehumanizing her by not using her name that's all. I mean, didn't you say earlier that examples of dehumanizing is by calling the Jews "Rats" or Tutsi as "cockroaches"? Then how is misspelling Abery's name constitute dehumanizing when we are using a human name to refer to him, even if misspelled? So how is my argument ridiculous when your logic of dehumanizing is misspelling someone's name? You asked: "Huh, seriously? I have been saying these were unjust and illegal killings" You didn't really say that, you were contemplating whether they were unjust or illegal that's all, and you didn't really confirm it. You've actually barely talked about those cases. So why pretend that you're for the Communist Party of China, when all you do is talk about 1989 when there's an opportunity for you to condemn the African American killings? Why pretend that you support the PLA when it's apparent that you don't? This is what it means to be disguised. And again, since the man in grey is not even disguised as a HKPF, you're claim that PLA soldiers are disguised as HKPF doesn't even hold water. Joining the Hong Kong police force requires that one be fluent in Cantonese (like you quoted earlier) so how is the man in grey disguised as HKPF?
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  11850.  @storage4539  I searched the whole comment thread and I never posted such a comment to Rosalynn Chow, what are you talking about? I mentioned that the Hong Kong Police Force demonstrated restraint such that there were 0 deaths by HKPF but I never mentioned discipline. You said: "I think you are right that I didn't exactly use the words unjust and illegal on the US cases." It's like you're so quick to condemn HKPF, and also the Shenzhen police, but you're so reluctant to talk about the killings of African Americans by the American Police. Look at the number of times you bring up HKPF and Shenzhen police as compared to the U.S, and it's apparent that you're reluctant to talk about them. You said: "Am I reluctant to talk about US police killings of African Americans? Please confirm." Well, just look at the number of times you mentioned George Floyd and the other African Americans, compared to constantly talking about HKPF and the Shenzhen police case. You said: "So, on your great mind, not mentioning victims' names is dehumanizing." In a sense, by not doing so you're not treating the victims as human so it does fit into the logic. You said: "Meanwhile, continuously misspelling victims name is not." Even if misspelled, those are still human names and are clearly attempts to humanize the victims by using their name. You said: "Of course, I am for CCP. No CCP, no China!!" That's just you pretending. You're so reluctant to talk about the killings of African Americans, while talking about HKPF so why pretend that you're for the Communist Party of China (CPC)? You can't even use the correct acronym. And again, since the man in grey is not even disguised as a HKPF, you're claim that PLA soldiers are disguised as HKPF doesn't even hold water. Joining the Hong Kong police force requires that one be fluent in Cantonese (like you quoted earlier) so how is the man in grey disguised as HKPF?
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  11851.  @storage4539  I mentioned restraint but not discipline, and I've already admitted that the Hong Kong Police force demonstrated restraint as there are 0 deaths by the HKPF during the 2019 Hong Kong riots. Nowhere did I ever made any such comment to @Rosalynn Chow, you're just making things up that's all. Look at the number of times you bring up HKPF and Shenzhen police as compared to the U.S, and it's apparent that you're reluctant to talk about them. Here's a golden opportunity to denounce the killings of George Floyd, Ahmaud Arbery, Breonna Taylor, Rayshard Brooks, yet you are clearly reluctant to talk about them, instead you constantly draw attention to HKPF and even the Shenzhen police, so aren't you relunctant here? You said: "Please also explain why not mentioning victims' names constituents dehumanization." From Quora: Is it dehumanizing to refuse to say someone's name? Why or why not? Responses: "A persons name is their identity, the very first given to them from their parents or someone else who probably thought through the meaning and specialness of that name and the person before bestowing it on them. To refuse to/to disregard someone’s name, therefore, is like ignoring/disregarding their personhood. It is disrespectful." "Your name is your identity, Yes I believe it is dehumanizing if you refuse to utter the name of the individual. It also shows that you have no sympathy or empathy for the person." You said: "Of course, I am for CCP. No CCP, no China!!" You can't even get the name of the Communist Party of China (CPC) right. The name in Chinese is Zhōngguó Gòngchǎndǎng (中国共产党) in which Zhōngguó (中国) means China and Gòngchǎndǎng (共产党) means Communist Party. So the correct name of the party is the Communist Party of China (CPC), not the Chinese Communist Party (CCP). So please stop pretending that you're for the CPC, you're reluctant to talk about the killings of African Americans, instead you rather bring up HKPF and the Shenzhen police. I can see through your disguise. And again, since the man in grey is not disguised as a Hong Kong police, then your claim that PLA soldiers are disguised as Hong Kong police doesn't hold water, given that one of the recruitment criteria is speaking fluent Cantonese (like you specified earlier). And can you prove that the man in grey is specifically a PLA soldier, not a Taiwan army soldier, Singapore army soldier, or some other soldier that also speaks Mandarin? And do you have evidence that the other Hong Kong policeman is a PLA soldier himself? Otherwise, the whole video is merely speculation on your part that PLA soldiers are disguised as Hong Kong police.
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  11852.  @storage4539  I followed your instructions, but the only result is from a website called: KZpost but that's clearly a different website, not YouTube so how does that even serve as evidence? You can't link to another website and claim that it's from YouTube when the URL is a different website altogether. Is there something wrong with quoting Quora? Your question was: "Please also explain why not mentioning victims' names constituents dehumanization." and so Quora has answered it as such. Your question is asking for an explanation so what has 5 out of 7 even got to do with it, since all you're asking for is an explanation on how not mentioning victim's names constitutes dehumanization? As for "your name is your identity" where does it say that misspelling the name constitutes dehumanizing? I'm still using their human name after all, even if misspelled. Whereas for a while you refused to use Cheng's name, you just keep calling her that Shenzhen woman that's all. You're reluctant to talk about the U.S police killings of African Americans (you barely even mentioned their names). I mean, if you're really "for the Communist Party" you had plenty of opportunity to denounce the U.S killings, yet you rather bring up Shenzhen police even though Cheng survived, so aren't you just pretending to be for the CPC? And twice, you misspelled CPC as CCP, when the name is clearly the Communist Party of China, so why continue this pretense that you're for the CPC when it's apparent that you aren't? You keep talking about disguises, then it appears that you're the one in disguise here and pretending to be what you are not. As for speaking Cantonese fluently, it's clearly written in the HKPF website that that's one of the requirements during recruitment. And since the man in grey is not disguised as a Hong Kong police, how can you claim PLA soldiers are disguised as Hong Kong Policemen? You can't even prove that the man in grey is a PLA soldier, not some other soldier that also speaks Mandarin, so your claim that PLA soldiers are disguised as Hong Kong policemen are all just speculation without proof.
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  11853.  @storage4539  Because it's clearly not the same website as YouTube. This KZ Post website you referred me to, how would I know if what it displayed was exactly the same as in YouTube? It's possible that the website was created to mimic the content on YouTube, but it doesn't mean that what is written there is what is written on YouTube. So if there's nothing wrong with using Quora, then I was merely using it to answer your question: "Please also explain why not mentioning victims' names constituents dehumanization." What has the majority of the answers on Quora even got to do with this? You asked for an explanation, and that's exactly what I offered; an explanation. Again, I still used Abery's name even if misspelled, so how is that dehumanizing? But the fact that for the longest time, you refused to even call that Shenzhen woman by her name, Cheng, is an example of you attempting to dehumanize her (as explained on Quora). Human names can be misspelled (take Zelenskyy for example, it has been spelled as Zelenskiy or Zelensky depending on different media). But it's still attempting to use the person's name, which you didn't. "1) On your mind, my continuous calling out of police brutality in the those cases you kept mentioning in the US means "reluctant" to talk about it?" I've already explained it, here's what I said: "Look at the number of times you bring up HKPF and Shenzhen police as compared to the U.S, and it's apparent that you're reluctant to talk about them." "Look at the number of times you bring up HKPF and Shenzhen police as compared to the U.S, and it's apparent that you're reluctant to talk about them." "2) On your mind, not speaking Cantonese disqualifies someone to fake a HK policeman." Because Hong Kong Police recruitment website clearly stated that one of the requirements for joining the force is to speak fluent Cantonese, so how is that man in grey disguised as a Hong Kong police? It's apparently you just jumping to conclusions that he's disguised as a policeman without proof. "3) You acknowledged that the gray shirt guy was a soldier, but you are uncertain of his allegiance." I never said that, I just said that you that the man in grey is a PLA soldier, not some other soldier that also speaks Mandarin. Again, please stop pretending that you actually support the Communist Party of China, when you've been using the incorrect acronym all this time. You're just pretending to be a CPC supporter that's all, so if talking about people being disguised, you would qualify. You asked: "Should we denounce police brutality, which includes unjust killings, regardless of country?" Once again, I never said anything about police brutality, it's you who brought it into the conversation. I merely pointed out that there had been 0 deaths by HKPF in 2019, and Cheng was alive, whereas you can't say the same for George Floyd and the others. You asked: "So on your mind, it is ok to condemn police brutality, including unjust killings, in the US, but it is not OK to condemn police brutality, including killings, in HK and China?" But we've made it clear that there were 0 deaths by HKPF during the 2019 Hong Kong riots, and even in Shenzhen, Cheng did not die isn't it? And again, I'm not talking about police brutality, it's you who've keep on trying to bring it up again and again.
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  11854.  @storage4539  You said it was done by third parties? Then how can you be sure if some third party didn't edit the comments to insert posts that weren't there before? Since this KZ Post is a different a website other than YouTube, it doesn't represent what was posted on YouTube, if third parties can create comments in them. "You are funny. It means your explanation is questionable, including netizens on Quora." But you asked for an explanation, and I gave it to you. Your question was (and I quote your previous words): "Please also explain why not mentioning victims' names constituents dehumanization." and I have explained exactly that. Your question has been answered with my explanation, so what has the majority of the questions in Quora even got to do with this, when your question has been answered? "Discussions are about making points, FYI. There are more points against than supporting your argument. It means your so-called "explanation" is not convincing." That's a discussion, but you just asked for an explanation why not mentioning victims' names constitutes dehumanization, and I have explained how it's dehumanizing not to use people's names. "One of the 5.5/7 counter arguments challenging your so-called "explanation":" They challenged it yes, but you asked for an explanation, which I have given to you. "Which sentence is the most important one? I think it is the first: "Your name is your identity." Therefore, you seem to have accepted the explanation, so I believe I have thus answered your question of: "Please also explain why not mentioning victims' names constituents dehumanization." "On your mind, why not uttering a name is not as severe as purposely misspelling a name and continuously denying a mistake?" I thought I have answered this before: because I am at least attempting to use that person's human name (even if misspelled) whereas not mentioning that person's name is in a sense dehumanizing (as I've explained many times) You said: "On your mind, my continuous calling out of police brutality in the those cases you kept mentioning in the US means "reluctant" to talk about it. Why?" Because you mentioned the Hong Kong Police Force and the Shenzhen Police far more than you mentioned U.S Police. "Arbery is Ukrainian? Last time I checked, he was AMERIAN." Did I ever said Arbery is Ukrainian? All I said was that Human names can be misspelled, using an Ukrainian name as an example. "You need to speak Cantonese to fake a policeman? You cannot fake a policeman if you don't speak Cantonese? Could you show me where you find it in the HK Police web site." How else are you going to fake a Hong Kong Policeman, if you can't speak Cantonese? You yourself said: "神州 Shenzhou "Language Proficiency Requirements...AND be able to read and write Chinese and speak fluent Cantonese." From the HK police recruitment site." "You and I are using VPN, which is illegal in China," Who said that VPN is illegal in China? There are many foreign companies that come to China and set up shop here, and may of them require access to Western websites like Facebook, Google, etc, so the government issue VPN license for these companies to operate in China. So how is VPN illegal in China? So please stop pretending to be what you are not. And talking about people being disguised, I've already explained that you would qualify as such. "How did Arbery die? How did the US police kill him? In HK, how many policemen were killed?" You claim you have VPN, then don't you already know the answers to all these questions yourself?
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  11857.  @storage4539  Because you asked for an explanation to your question: "Please also explain why not mentioning victims' names constituents dehumanization." Since you have repeatedly said "Your name is your identity." that means you've accepted the explanation, right? Then what more needs to be said? "There are overwhelming arguments countering his." But you asked for an explanation and that's exactly what I gave you. You never asked for arguments countering it, you just asked to explain why not mentioning victims' names constitutes dehumanization that's all. Since you've accepted "Your name is your identity" that means you've accepted this explanation. "Because you mentioned the Hong Kong Police Force and the Shenzhen Police far more than you mentioned U.S Police." I admired your imagination and lies." How am I lying when you clearly mentioned the HKPF and Shenzhen police far more than the U.S Police? "I also have said police brutality in HK and Shenzhen. Why you are reluctant to talk about it? Black lives matter to you, but Chinese lives don't matter to you. Why do you so racist against your own people? Are you ashamed of being Chinese?" I already said that there were 0 deaths by the HKPF during the 2019 Hong Kong protests, and even the Shenzhen woman, Cheng survived, so why are you accusing me of saying Chinese lives don't matter to me? "It seems quite frequent that you don't know what a rhetorical question is." All I'm asking is did I ever said Arbery is Ukrainian that's all. "Yes, human names can be misspelled," So again, how is that dehumanizing when I'm using his human name? "Yes, it is for a REAL policeman. Please show me the requirements for a FAKE policeman on the HK Police recruitment site. This Cantonese argument is laughable. First time I've ever heard someone needs to have a credential to fake something. Your logical thinking needs an improvement." Obviously if you want to fake a Hong Kong policeman, then the requirement is to speak Cantonese fluently otherwise how are you going to fake a Hong Kong Policeman? The logic is so simple, yet you're the one claiming my logical thinking needs an improvement? "But I am not a company and I don't have a company license like you." You've obvious never been to China, who said VPN is illegal in China? I mean, which person has been arrested just for login into YouTube while in China? You're just pretending to support the CPC (which you've used the wrong acronym earlier) so if anyone is disguised, it's you. "What is your definition of disguise and pretending? It's been a question unanswered by you for weeks." I've already use you as an example of disguise and pretending. And you never seem to answer my questions, yet you constantly demand answers out of me to yours? "Arbery wasn't killed by the police. You've been lying." He was. Arbery was killed by Gregory McMichael who worked as a Glynn County Police Department officer. "Another lie. You didn't spell Arbery correctly all this time." I did. And again, I've used his human name, so how is that dehumanizing? "I admire your comparison of "0 deaths by the HKPF" vs. 59 deaths and 51 deaths in 1956 and 1967 respectively." Thanks. First compliment out of you, since all you've done is insult me time and time again for my views. "It shows you didn't know the history when policemen and innocent citizens were among the death numbers you proudly presented here." I never said that policemen and innocent citizens were among the death numbers, all I'm doing I pointing out the death tolls that's all. "Why you lied about the numbers?" Which numbers did I lie about? "There was a riot in 1981 and 0 deaths." Well, that's good news then. It shows that Hong Kong riots were progressing towards better restraint from 1967 (51 deaths) to 1956 (59 deaths) to 1981 (0 deaths) and 2019 (0 deaths) "Per your genius logic, is it a testament to how far the HKPF has come since BEFORE the 1997 handover, and demonstrates the incredible restraint exhibited by the HKPF?" I never said that there weren't other riots before the 1997 handover, so why are you making such a mountain out of a molehill?
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  11917.  @christopherhamlin6139  You asked: "Who was Ho Chi Minh and what did he say about China." He was the founding father of the Democratic Republic of Vietnam and he formed the Việt Minh to fight for Vietnam's independence from the French, during the First Indochina War. During the First Indochina War, China supplied and provided the Việt Minh guerrilla forces with almost every kind of crucial and important supplies and material required, such as food (including thousands of tonnes of rice), money, medics and medical aid and supplies, arms and weapons, ammunition and explosives and other types of military equipment. 2,000 military advisors from the PRC and the Soviet Union trained the Việt Minh guerrilla force with the aim of turning it into a full-fledged armed force to fight off their French colonial masters and gain national independence. On top of this, the PRC sent two People's Liberation Army (PLA) artillery battalions to help Vietnam fight for independence. From 1950 to 1954 the Chinese government shipped goods, materials, and medicine worth $46 billion (in 2021 dollars) to Vietnam. From 1950 to 1956 the Chinese government shipped 155,000 small arms, 58 million rounds of ammunition, 4,630 artillery pieces, 1,080,000 artillery shells, 840,000 hand grenades, 1,400,000 uniforms, 1,200 vehicles, 14,000 tons of food, and 26,000 tons of fuel to Vietnam. ... Source: Wikipedia: First Indochina War If anything, Ho Chih Minh should be grateful for the Chinese aid given to Vietnam to help them fight for independence from the French.
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  11927.  @andrenogueira5058  "2. Why are Chinese tourist sinking fishing vessels? Is it the way they entertain themselves?" Which fishing vessel has been sunk by Chinese? On the other hand, a Vietnamese fishing vessel (QNG90617) had been fishing illegally in waters near the Paracel Islands and had refused to leave after repeated warnings from the Chinese coastguard, instead it rammed into the Chinese coastguard ship. Not only Vietnam, but the Phillippines coastguard patrol boat (Maritime Control Surveillance 3001) shot to death a 65-year old Chinese fisherman, Hong Shicheng (洪石成). But which Vietnamese/Philippine fishing vessel been shot by Chinese coastguard? Answer: None! You said: "3. What about plundering the seas? Is it a competition to see who can destroy most fish at a faster pace?" Now you're resorting to "what-aboutism"? China isn't destroying fish just for the sake of it, the fish caught are used to feed our enormous population of 1.4 billion people. In fact, China has imposed an annual fishing ban in the South China Sea since 1999, as part of our efforts to promote sustainable marine fishery development and improve marine ecology, giving the fish a period to recover. Not even Philippines nor Vietnam have imposed such a fishing ban in the South China Sea, unlike China. You said: "4. What about under-sea mining? is it a complementary activity with full-board or you pay extra?" More what-aboutism from you? If China has the capacity to mine the deep-sea for rare earth metals, then can China do that? China is responsible for around 80-90% of rare earth metal production in the world, which are used in many technologies like batteries, DVDs, LEDs, solar cells, wind turbines, lasers, etc.
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  11929.  @andrenogueira5058  You said: "the military bases built up by other nations were built as a defense from/reaction to the Chinese aggressive military built up." If you follow the timeline, other nations had already built airstrips (capable of launching military aircraft) much earlier than the People's Republic of China. For example, Vietnam built its airstrip on Spratly Island in 1976, making this the first runway in the Spratly island group. In 1978, the Philippines incorporated Thitu Island after airstrip construction had already begun. In 1983, Malaysia built an airstrip atop Swallow Reef. The Nationalist Chinese government 🇹🇼 occupied Itu Aba in 1946, but did not begin constructing its airstrip until 2006, and construction finished in 2008. Mainland China 🇨🇳 is the most recent Spratly claimant to build an airstrip, which it began on Fiery Cross Reef in late 2014. ... Source: Asia Maritime Transparency Initiative: Air power in the South China Sea If anything, mainland China is actually a late-comer to building airstrips in the South China Sea, and even Vietnam, Philippines, Malaysia, etc, built airstrips earlier than China. Yet the West kept silent about other nations building bases, but makes noise when it comes to China? You said: "That is what "peaceful China" achieved: the militarization of a former de-militarized region of the globe." See the timeline I described above, it turns out Vietnam, Philippines, Malaysia, etc had built airstrips capable of launching military aircraft in the South China Sea long before the late-comer, mainland China made any such moves of our own. You said: "And more: Vietnam and the Philippines do not sink Chinese fishing vessels while China does sink foreigner vessels." Again, I'm asking you which fishing vessel have been sunk by the Chinese? I literally shown that the Phillippines coastguard patrol boat (Maritime Control Surveillance 3001) open fired and shot to death a 65-year old Chinese fisherman, Hong Shicheng (洪石成), but has Chinese coastguard shot to death any Vietnamese or Filipino fisherman? Answer: None!
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  11930.  @andrenogueira5058  "In addition, the Spratly islands are much closer to the Philippines and Brunei: they weren't Vietnamese to start with, so those letters mean absolutely nothing - as the arbitrary UN court ruling supported." The Spratly Islands weren't part of the Philippines either as per the 1898 Treaty of Paris that Spain signed with America. Look up the Map of the Treaty Limits of the Phillippines by ResearchGate and the Spanish and Americans drew up Philippines territorial boundaries which did not include the Spratly Islands as within Philippine territory. The Philippines, on the basis of historic right of title, claims that its territorial sea extends to the limits set forth in the colonial treaties, which define the extent of the archipelago at the time it was ceded from Spain to the U.S. in 1898. The line drawn around the archipelago marks the outer limits of the historic territorial seas of the Philippines, which will be referred to here as the Philippine Treaty Limits. ... Source: The Treaty Limits of the Philippines - ResearchGate So of course the Spratly weren't Vietnamese to begin with (according to Vietnam PM Pham Van Dong's diplomatic letter) neither was it Phillippines territory (according to the 1898 Treaty of Paris). Also, what arbitrary UN court ruling are you talking about? The Permanent Court of Arbitration (PCA) is not an official UN agency, it only shares the same office space in the Hague as the International Court of Justice (ICJ) but the two organizations are not related. ... Source: SCMP: United Nations stresses separation from Hague tribunal
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  11955.  @rykellim  Lol, I would like to see if this new President Trump 2.0 will be able to complete his/her predecessor's campaign promise to build a wall at the US-Mexico border. Or maybe if President 3.0 will. America today is suffering from what's called 'political stagnation' whereas believe it or not, China's modern political system has undergone many changes in just a century. China was once 'democratic' when Dr. Sun Yatsen overthrew the Qing dynasty and established Republic of China from 1912-1949. But during this period, China was in chaos, we lost control of Tibet and China was divided into various provinces ruled by warlords. Even the Japanese attacked China during this weak period in our history, and in the end, Dr. Sun died without ever realizing a unified China. Next, China tried 'communism' under Mao Zedong and Mao succeeded in unifying China (where the previous administration failed to achieve, even after 37 years!) and proclaimed People's Republic of China in 1949. But while Mao was excellent tactician, he was a poor governor and his disastrous policies eventually lead to Mao making self-criticism and stepping down as state chairman. In 1970s, Deng Xiaoping introduced 'capitalist' reforms when it turned out that communist market system wasn't working and with the reforms, China's economy grew rapidly. But with economic prosperity came pressure to adopt Western democracy, which Deng felt China wasn't ready for yet, so he ordered the People's Liberation Army to quell the protests of 1989. In the end, Deng went to his grave without ever admitting to the events of 1989. Currently, China is pursuing "socialism with Chinese characteristics" under President Xi Jinping, and its still too early to know if it will be successful or not. But I have shown that China's political system has seen much change in just under a century. All of the above mentioned Chinese leaders had/have some vision of China in which they wanted to achieve, and all of them are/were fiercely patriotic to China. But in contrast, US appears to be undergoing "political stagnation" where there is increased scapegoating (blaming China for America's woes) and victimization (claiming America is victim of Chinese trade) and so on. Frequent change of leaders does not always mean that its for the better and instead the leaders may reverse each other's policies.
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  11969.  @tomspencer1364  China's political system has been through immense change. China once tried democracy when Dr. Sun yatsen (Sun Zhongshan) overthrew the Qing Dynasty China in 1911 and established the Republic of China 🇹🇼 (1912-1949). But back then China was divided into several areas, we lost control of Tibet, and various warlords ruled different parts of China and even Japan invaded China twice during this weak period of Chinese history. Dr. Sun tried to get help from the Western powers, but they laughed at the thought of China copying their democracy. They even gave away the Shandong province (which had been occupied by the Germans during WWI) to Japan, instead of returning it to China (even when China was part of the Allies during WWI). In the end, Dr. Sun died without ever realising a unified China under democracy. Next, China tried communism under Mao Zedong and he accomplished what the ROC could not, and reunifed China under communism, proclaiming the People's Republic of China 🇨🇳 in 1949 and Tibet was finally returned back to China in 1951. If not for Mao Zedong, China today would still be weak and divided country, fighting among ourselves, instead of the strong unified country we are today. But Mao was an excellent strategist, not a good governor and that led to China's failed economic policies. Next China tried Socialism with Chinese Characteristics under Deng Xiaoping which successfully transformed China from a dirt-poor country into an economic juggernaut today. But with economic reform comes political pressure, and it was Deng who ordered the People's Liberation Army into Tiananmen Square. Deng died without ever admitting to sending the PLA to Tiananmen Square. Today, China is following Xi Jinping Thought under President Xi Jinping, and its still too early to tell what's going to happen. The thing is, China's political system is constantly evolving with the times, whereas in USA, the U.S constitution has remained unchanged for 150 years.
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  11999. Nabium I have shown that countries all have their own degree of censorship, whether its USA, UK, Canada, etc. Even your country has censorship laws in place against hardcore porn, so why are you blaming China's censorship, just because it is to larger degree than yours? Guam is part of US territory, but the people aren't allowed to vote for Presidential Elections, similar to other US territories like Puerto Rico. So I have at least shown that the US Press Freedom Index is "incomplete" in the sense that not all of US media in all its territories are taken into account. You said previously that "the whole of the Norwegian people, chose to censor porn." but how do you know that? Do 100% of the Norwegian people choose to censor porn, or is it the majority only? If its only the majority, then why do you claim the whole of Norway choose to do so? Also, you said previously that: " Transformers and the Walking Dead are not going to open anyone's eyes about other cultures. " But USA has this "Zombie Apocalypse" obsession, evident in their shows, movies, video games and Halloween costumes, so why is The Walking Dead series not introducing China to American culture? Similarly, Transformers is about giant robotic aliens, common in Japanese "mech" culture, so why is it not introducing Chinese to Japanese "mech" culture? Where is your logic here? Before claiming "刘晓波 died in jail", you said: "Your government is imprisoning and even killing people with differing opinions." so why did you make that earlier statement then? Your sources about Falun Gong Organ Harvesting is mostly speculation without actual evidence. China performs about 10,000 organ transplants but people like Ethan Gutmann just grossly exaggerates the figure from 10,000 to 100,000? And you just believe what he says without proof? "We are looking at not 10,000 transplants per year in China, but something more like 60,000 to 100,000 transplants a year in China." - Ethan Gutmann According to the following source, the estimated number of organ transplants worldwide in 2015 was about 126,670 so you mean China suddenly has the capability to perform 100,000 transplants by ourselves? Where do we get all the doctors to perform a number of transplants almost equal to that of the rest of the world? Source: Estimated number of organ transplants worldwide in 2015 statista.com/statistics/398645/global-estimation-of-organ-transplantations/ Why don't you step back from your biased view of China, and take a look at the figures carefully?
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  12066.  @Waverlyduli  So since you admitted that Democracy is a foreign system imported by Asian countries, then can't China import communist ideology? I've already shown that throughout China's 5,000 years of history, China had been under authoritarian rule of the Emperor and the Imperial Court, so China's current system closely emulates the governing system of the China's ancient past, at least compared to Western style democracy. Also communist ideology has transformed poor countries into superpowers. For example, before 1917, Russia was arguably the poorest country in Europe at that time, dominated by peasants, whose traditional household economies were extremely inefficient compared to agriculture in Western Europe or the United States. Only about 15% of the population lived in towns, and fewer than 10% worked in industry. Russian was technological backward and lagged far behind advanced capitalist countries like Great Britain and Germany. But after the 1917 Communist Revolution by the Bolsheviks, the new Soviet Union rapidly grew to become arguably the strongest country in Europe during its heyday, both economically as well as militarily (that's why NATO was formed in response to Soviet Union's rising military might). The Soviet Union also made numerous advances in science and technology. According to Wikipedia: List of countries by largest historical GDP the Soviet Union was the world's 2nd largest economy from 1960 - 1990 Such an ideology that transformed arguably once Europe's poorest country into its strongest, so how is communist ideology is demonstrated to have failed comprehensively?
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  12141. +Ashutosh Sharma You never answered by previous questions of "why India doesn't even want to sign the NPT, but still wants to get into the NSG?" Yet you want me to answer all your questions when you never answered mine? What killing of alive babies are you even talking about? Abortions happens all over the world, are you going to tell all of them not to abort babies? Look, even in India there are ongoing abortions. Abortions may be legal in India, but 60% are unsafe: Study source: timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/abortions-may-be-legal-in-india-but-60-are-unsafe-study/articleshow/60946913.cms You are talking about Tiananmen Square Incident? Those university students protestors were naive and they live in a world of education and textbook ideals and have not experienced working life in the real world. The students have been protesting for months, but many left before the actual PLA was called in. Otherwise, how to disperse these crowd of idealistic students? Some of the PLA troops refused to open fire upon the unarmed crowd, some of the PLA troops panicked and fired off at students. Others refused to shoot, but were mobbed by angry students who stole their guns and used it against them. You think the whole situation is purely black and white? There are many grey areas, some PLA troops were mobbed to death for refusing to open fire, other PLA troops were shocked and so on. But most of China has since moved on from the Tiananmen Incidents, only people like you suddenly care so much about Chinese, when your own countries has had worst riots than China. I mean, wasn't there a riot in India about some India guru raping his female followers back in 2017? List of Riots In India source: wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_riots_in_India The 14 Dalai Lama was funded by the US CIA to train Tibetan guerrillas against the Chinese communist government, so isn't the Dalai Lama a traitor to his people, having sold out his country in exchange for foreign aid? A total of 1,735,000 dollars was devoted to the Tibetan program by the CIA. China had lost control of Tibet in 1912 (when Dr. Sun Yatsen overthrew the Qing dynasty) but Tibet was returned to China back in 1951 under the Seventeen Point Agreement for the Peaceful Liberation of Tibet 十七条协议 where the Tibetans affirmed Chinese sovereignty over Tibet.
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  12188. @truthreal3378 "Upholding them is no more colonial than China enforcing Qing-era maps to justify modern claims." Because those Qing-era maps were drawn up by Chinese ourselves with established historical boundaries, whereas India's claim came from old British maps, and the British are foreigners to this region. Seriously, some white guy from far, far away comes here to Asia and draws some lines on a map, ignoring existing historical boundaries between neighbors, and the Indians take the map as the absolute law, and refusing to negotiate with local neighbors? I mean, look at the African countries for example. How unnaturally straight and squarish the borders between Africa countries are. Their borders were artificially drawn up by their colonial masters, and even after the colonizers left, those artificial borders keep the different African nations at odds with each other and divided among themselves. You said: "why does it dismiss Tibet’s agency in signing treaties, and why did it unilaterally annex Tibet without a referendum or negotiation?" Because Tibet was already part of China before the British arrived in Asia. Tibet became part of China since 800 years when the Mongols conquered both the Kingdom of Tibet and Song Dynasty China and incorporated those territories into Yuan Dynasty China. Even you've acknowledged that Tibet was part of Qing Dynasty and that it broke away after Qing fell, so can't China reclaim our historical territories? Also, it was the Tibetans themselves who signed the Seventeen Point Agreement for the Peaceful Liberation of Tibet (中央人民政府和西藏地方政府关于和平解放西藏办法的协议) acknowledging Chinese sovereignty over Tibet.
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  12225. +LEFT4BASS Why is enforcing that One Child policy on the population at large considered a bad idea? China is world's most populous country as compared to South Korea, so why compare China to S. Korea? China had much more poor people to lift out of poverty, so what makes you think you can apply what S. Korea did to China? Also, S. Korea's rapid advancement occurred uder the S. Korean dictator, Park Chung Hee, who introduced martial law in S. Korea and made the government authoritarian. But under his dictatorship, S. Korea rapidly modernized and that's why Park has been ranked by the public as the greatest South Korean president but he still remains a controversial figure for his dictatorship. If you want to compare China's situation, a better example would be India, the world's 2nd most populous country. India today is suffering from overpopulation, high child mortality rates, high child malnutrition, etc (similar problems faced by China back then) India tried to introduce population control measures (India's mass sterilization) but failed, and that's why India is plagued by overpopulation problems. China would most likely have ended up like India if we didn't introduced population control measures of our own. "The biggest problem the one child policy is just what this video described." When China was undeveloped country, we suffered from 3rd world problems (starvation, poverty, high birth rate, etc) Now that China is developed country, we suffer from 1st world problems (rising costs, high birth rate, aging population, etc) so what is the big deal here? Other developed countries, like Japan for example, also have low birth rates and aging population, even when they did not have a One Child Policy, so what is the link between that policy and the problems you described? " A two child policy would have provided a lot more replacement workers, but still shrunk the population." How do you know for sure that a two child policy would still shrunk the population? With 1 child, families need only concentrate their resources into raising him or her into adulthood, but with 2 child, the resources would be split in half. So China might possibly remain mired in poverty with a 2 child policy, according to this logic. China today is prosperous and is the world's 2nd largest economy, so why do you think that there are dark days ahead? Look at some of China's scientific progress for example. China build one of world's fastest supercomputers, Sunway Taihu Light : 神威·太湖之光 and in 2017 Top500 supercomputer survey, China beat USA with 202 out of 500 of the world's fastest supercomputers, as compared to USA's 144 out of 500. China's supercomputers race past US to world dominance cnet.com/news/china-surpasses-us-in-supercomputer-usage-on-top-500-list/
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  12226. +LEFT4BASS What makes you think population density is the decisive factor here? True, China has a lot of people and a lot of land, but what makes you think all of our land and resources is being utilized at once? China's land is so vast, you think all the untapped resources are immediately available at our disposal straight away? And like it or not, China still have a larger population of poor people to lift out of poverty than S. Korea, isn't it? According to World Bank, China’s poverty rate fell from 88% in 1981 to mere 6.5% in 2012. According to UNESCO, adult literacy rate of China increased from 65.5% in 1982 to a whopping 96.4% in 2015 growing at an average annual rate of 10.39%. This is an amazing feat considering that China is world's most populous country yet achieving 96% literacy and 6% poverty. China would not have been able to accomplish this, if not for the One Child Policy reducing our birthrate, so that available resources can be used to lift single-child families out of poverty. Wikipedia: Poverty in China Source: wikipedia.org/wiki/Poverty_in_China "And the reason the one child policy was such a bad idea was because it helped China in the short run, but in the long run, it’s going to hurt China a lot." What makes you sure that the One Child Policy will hurt China a lot in the long run? You mean you have seen the future and predicted that is will hurt China a lot? Look at Japan and other developed countries having similarly low birth rates and aging populations, and they did not have One-Child Policy of their own, so where is the link to the One Child policy hurting China's future? I mean, your statements are superficial and don't elaborate or go into detail. Like you said S. Korea advanced rapidly without One-Child Policy and just simply expect the same thing to happen to China? China is China, S. Korea is S. Korea, so why you think what works for S. Korea will work for China? About China's economy going to suffer, Western economists have been predicting China's economic downfall since 1990s. Here is compiled list of what Western journalists have been saying about China's economy for decades 1990. The Economist: China's economy has come to a halt. 1996. The Economist: China's economy will face hard landing. 1998. The Economist: China's economy entering a dangerous period of sluggish growth. 1999. Bank of Canada: Likelihood of a hard landing for the Chinese economy. 2000. Chicago Tribune: China currency move nails hard landing risk coffin. 2001. Wilbanks, Smith & Thomas: A hard landing in China. 2002. Westchester University: China Anxiously Seeks A Soft Economic landing. 2003. KWR International: How to find a soft landing if China.. 2004. The Economist: The great fall of China? 2005. Nouriel Roubini: The Risk of a Hard Landing in China. 2006. International Economy: Can China Achieve a Soft Landing? 2007. TIME: Is China's Economy Overheating? Can China avoid a hard landing? 2008. Forbes: Hard Landing in China? 2009. Fortune: China's hard landing. China must find a way to recover. 2010. Nouriel Roubini: Hard landing coming in China. 2011. Business Insider: A Chinese Hard Landing May Be Closer Than You Think. 2012. American Interest: Dismal Economic News from China: A Hard Landing. 2013. Zero Hedge: A Hard Landing in China. 2014. CNBC: A hard landing in China. 2015. Forbes: Congratulations, You got Yourself A Chinese Hard Landing.... 2016. The Economist: Hard Landing looms for China. Buts its already 2018, and China's economy is still going strong so at some point, you should realized Western propaganda is simply biased against China's economy, and have been proven consistently wrong for almost 30 years! Why do you still continue to believe China has a dark future, given all your failed predictions about China?
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  12308.  @shambhutekar5797  You said: "China even announced a tariff exemption for 97% of exports from Bangladesh." Isn't that a good thing for Bangladesh? Currently, 3095 Bangladeshi products enjoy duty-free access to Chinese market under Asia-Pacific Trade Agreement (APTA). With the new announcement, 97% of Bangladeshi products will join this zero-tariff club from July 1 that raised the numbers of Bangladeshi products with zero duty access to Chinese market to 8,256. You said: "The Maldivian Government leased out Islands of Feydhoo Finolhuto China until 2066 for $4 million." The islands are leased for Chinese companies to develop into a tourist resort. According to Asia Maritime Transparency Initiative, the Feydhoo Finolhu resort appears largely complete as of August 2020, but the wharf is modest and seems intended for civilian vessels, presumably ferrying guests who fly in to nearby Male. Small villas line the shore all around the island, while the only larger buildings are the small cluster near the harbor. These are presumably the administrative buildings and shops for the resort. And dozens of bungalows line piers over the reef itself. The island has even been planted with small groves of palm trees. And there is very little room left to build anything else, whether civilian or military. All in all, Feydhoo Finolhu has every indication of being a commercial resort. And in 2066, the 50-year lease would expire, the Feydhoo Finolhu island would be returned to Maldives. So doesn't Maldives stand to benefit in the long run? You said: "Sri Lanka meltdown exposes China loan policy" I already pointed out that China only makes up 10% of Sri Lanka's foreign debt, the remaining 90% comes mostly from the West, Japan and India, yet you're blaming China for Sri Lanka's woes?
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  12353. @Huai Danny You said: "Some people in the West are capitalising on this analogy to promote their gender politics... I wholeheartedly agree. It's cynical and completely misses the point." You wholeheartedly agree, yet here you are literally joining them by imposing your own gender politics onto the analogy yourself. Yet you claim you're not "one of those SJWs" when your behavior matches exactly that of those SJWs criticizing anyone who says anything politically incorrect, do you see the hypocrisy of your own words? You said: "So why the hell are you feeding the d**n trolls?!" You know who's really feeding the trolls here? It's the one who caves into their demands, and is forced to modify their analogy just because those trolls pounce on anything politically incorrect. I'm not feeding those trolls, I still stand by the analogy itself, because this is how you show defiance in the face of the PC trolls and SJWs. Modifying the analogy is literally waving a white flag in surrender to demands of those trolls, wouldn't you agree? You said: "Okay, buddy. Good luck with whatever it is you think you're accomplishing." I'm just giving an analogy here for crying out loud. A story to help ordinary people relate better to the Russo-Ukraine crisis in the form of a family drama. That's what I'm trying to accomplish You said: "But please don't fool yourself into thinking it's about geopolitical clarity or international understanding. It ain't." The meaning behind the story is evident, I'm sure everyone understands it on a fundamental level, and that's why you're apparently unable to criticize the accuracy of the dynamics in the analogy. The only thing you can critique is the so-called "sexist" nature of the analogy, but that doesn't change the fact that the analogy speaks for itself. You're literally imitating the behavior of those trolls and SJWs that you despise, by imposing your own gender politics into the analogy and avoiding the point that the analogy is making.
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  12435.  @buckygoldstein9256  You said: "神州 Shenzhou You can bring up what you want." About China's tech prowess, China even conducted our first extra-vehicular activity (EVA) where a Taikonaut (i.e Chinese Astronaut) exited Shenzhou-7 (神舟七号) spacecraft into the vacuum of outer space (aka "spacewalk"). The Shenzhou 7 EVA made the Chinese space program the third in the world to have conducted an EVA other than the Soviet Union and the United States. Source: YouTube: Chinese astronaut makes nation's first spacewalk Yet you boasted that Taiwan's technology has surpassed the PRC? Why hasn't Taiwan conducted any EVA of their own? You said: "I told you some bad things the US did and I asked you to come up with something the bad the PRC did." That I did. Didn't you read about the bad things I wrote about China previously? You said: "One would think you could have at least come up with the "Gang of Four", everyone knows about them." Likewise, one would think you could have at least come up with America's importing African slaves to pick cotton, or the genocide of Native Americans and occupation of their lands even till today. You said: "If you can't be truthful, you're not worth talking to." Excuse me, but who are you to tell me what to talk about? You never mentioned the American genocide of Native Americans either, then who are you to tell me what talk about? You said: "Chiang said that about communism being a disease of the heart." I believe Chiang was wrong when he said that. It's capitalism that seeks to shrink workers wages in order to skim off a higher profit margin. Capitalism doesn't care about American workers, they'll just as likely move their manufacturing base elsewhere to China or other low wage countries in order to maximise profits. Where is the "heart" in capitalism, you tell me? Communism is the belief that the means of production should be in the hands of the workers (i.e proletariat), which is a far more humane way to distribute wealth than to allow a few capitalists to control the means of production. I really don't understand what Chiang meant when he said it's a disease of the heart when communists are the ones fighting for the poor, the weak and those unable to fight for themselves.
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  12436.  @buckygoldstein9256  "神州 Shenzhou The "bad" things you listed weren't very bad." Arguably the same could be said of the "bad" things you listed for America. China is currently at peace and not at war with any country, since our last major conflict in 1979. Instead of making war, China is building infrastructure like roads, railways, highways, bridges, tunnels, powerstations, dams, ports, airports, etc and investing in developing countries like Sri Lanka, Nepal, Bangladesh, Pakistan, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Tajikistan, and also African countries like Nigeria, Kenya, Chad, Sudan, Ghana, Mozambique, Tanzania, etc. Whereas the United States is warmonger being involved in Gulf War, Iraq War, Afghan War, Libyan War, Syrian War, Yemen War, etc, even in the 21st century. USA is bombing in those Middle Eastern countries and enacting regime change by cutting off their "heads" (Saddam Hussein, Muammar Gaddafi, etc) and then installing their own US puppet governments in place. If anything, it seems like the U.S is a threat to global peace and stability. You said: "Russia is suppose to be one of the 2 great super powers in the world and they have to get their electronics from China and the best they can send China is wood." Well, the same could be said of the United States, it's supposed to be the world's superpower, yet they have to get their electronics from Taiwan island so what's the big deal then? You said: "However, 4 private capitalist companies have also done that. SpaceX, Virgin Galactic, Blue Origin and Axiom Space. That doesn't make China's accomplishment any less notable. It just shows what capitalism can do." So while Amazon workers were struggling to keep their jobs, incurring injuries at twice the rate of its rivals, their efforts were what put Jeff Bezos into space? For what purpose exactly? Also, since you boasted that Taiwan's technology has surpassed that of the mainland, then why hasn't Taiwan sent anyone into space like the mainland?
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  12437.  @buckygoldstein9256  You said: "If the PRC wanted to be really great they would help their neighbors instead of threatening them." China is investing in many countries as well as building infrastructure like roads, railways, highways, bridges, tunnels, ports, airports in our neighbors like Pakistan, through the China Pakistan Economic Corridor (CPEC), which has generated around 75,000 jobs for locals in Pakistan. Even in Laos, we recently opened the China-Laos Railway (Boten–Vientiane railway) to connect the Laos capital Vientiane and the northern town of Boten on the border with Yunnan, China. You said: "One neighbor they could help is North Korea, They could help NK be as great and productive as South Korea, or maybe even as productive as China." I find it ironic that you would accuse China of "not doing enough" to help North Korea, when China is already North Korea's biggest trading partner. But the problem is that the U.S slapped crippling sanctions on North Korea and stymied its economic growth. After the Korean War, North Korea was actually the more prosperous country on the Korean Peninsula, while South Korea was poor and had a GDP lower than some sub-Saharan African countries. With the U.S sanctions in place, China is limited in the amount of trade we can conduct with North Korea. If you really wanted North Korea to improve, you should ask the U.S to lift those sanctions on North Korea then. You said: "Tell me something bad the PRC did and I'll tell you more bad things the US did." I already know plenty of the bad things that the U.S did, and since I've already highlighted some bad things China has done, I see no further need to continue responding to your demands.
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  12439.  @buckygoldstein9256  You said: "Do you think that is just capitalism? Because if you do we could talk about that." Capitalism is a heartless ideology, it's the overproduction of goods in pursuit of profits, unnecessarily polluting the environment in the process, with the end goal being the depletion of the Earth's resources, if left unchecked. That's because our modern industries are too efficient, we can literally produce enough food, goods, homes, schools, hospitals, etc, for virtually everyone on the planet. Despite this abundance, we still have on this planet, starving people, homeless people, illiteracy, people lacking access to affordable healthcare, and so on. Because under capitalism, the goods go to those who can afford it. Communism is the belief that resources should be distributed according to needs. As the Marxist saying goes: "From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs" (German: Jeder nach seinen Fähigkeiten, jedem nach seinen Bedürfnissen). The Earth resources are limited, and we should be prioritizing distribution of resources to those that most urgently need it. What's the point of capitalists hoarding profit? Can they take their profits into the afterlife? Yet, people like Chiang said "communism is a disease of the heart" well, I most certainly don't agree. It's capitalism that seeks to shrink worker wages in order to skim off a higher profit margin for themselves, while communism seeks to make the workers own the means of production.
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  12489.  @peterhanssens7260  "From the get go, do you think that the CCP has any intention of respecting the conditions of the agreement of 1984 over time?" Previously before the 1997 handover, Hong Kong was under authoritarian British colonial rule, during which Hong Kong did not enjoy democracy and virtually no elections were held by the people of Hong Kong during this period. Only during the period of Hong Kong's 1997 handover back to mainland China, that Hong Kong people finally get to vote in elections for their favourite leaders. So isn't it thanks to mainland China that Hong Kong people finally get democracy under the One Country, Two Systems Policy, where they had none before? For 150 years as a British colony? Even today, Hong Kong clearly have their own government separate from the mainland, and people of Hong Kong even held a 2019 election resulting in landslide victory for pro-democracy groups. If you go and read Taiwan's constitution and it says that Taiwan is part of China. Taiwan claims all of mainland China (including Tibet, Xinjiang, Inner Mongolia, Manchuria, etc) as part of their territory, including territory currently under the control of Mongolia, Burma, Bhutan, India, Japan, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Russia and Tajikistan. Here's a map of territory Taiwan claims. Source: Map of ROC Administrative and Claims wikipedia.org/wiki/File:ROC_Administrative_and_Claims.svg Since there hasn't been any amendments to Taiwan's constitution, then by default, Taiwan is part of China under their own constitution.
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  12490.  @peterhanssens7260  Previously Hong Kong was a thriving port city under authoritarian British colonial rule, while the mainland was still dirt-poor at that time. At the time of Hong Kong's 1997 handover, Hong Kong's GDP made up 20% of China's economy. However, fortunes have reversed today Hong Kong makes only 2% of China's GDP, as Hong Kong falls behind other mainland port cities like Shanghai, Shenzhen, Guangzhou, Ningbo-Zhousan, and is facing increasing levels of competition from other upcoming port cities like Qingdao, Tianjin, Dalian, Xiamen. Source: List of busiest container ports wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_busiest_container_ports No wonder why the people of Hong Kong slowly feel like they are being left behind as more and more mainland cities start surpassing Hong Kong. Taiwan is part of China under their own constitution. Even if reunification isn't done by military force (that's a possibility that's on the table) Taiwan might eventually be assimilated back into mainland China through economic and cultural connections. Not to mention many of the older people in Taiwan have families in the mainland. President Xi Jinping has offered to extend the One Country, Two Systems Policy to include Taiwan as well, allowing Taiwan to rejoin the mainland, but at the same time, allowing some degree of autonomy (such as allowing Taiwan to keep their own separate government) and for the mainland to keep the ours. But Taiwan rejected President Xi's offer and did not made a counter offer of their own.
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  12491.  @peterhanssens7260  What's all this warmongering, paranoia talk by you, constantly painting China as aggressive? Hong Kong will be fully returned back to China by 2047 (after the Sino-British declaration expires after 50 years after the 1997 handover), so what's wrong with Hong Kong becoming "another mainland city?" What's wrong with this term "another mainland city"? Look at prosperous Shenzhen in the mainland, just across from Hong Kong and Shenzhen’s economic growth surpassed Hong Kong's in 2017. Source: Shenzhen surpasses US$338 billion GDP mark in 2017, beats Hong Kong and Singapore’s growth scmp.com/news/china/economy/article/2128310/shenzhen-88-cent-hi-tech-growth-roll-hit-y2tr-2017 Shenzhen is roughly the same economic size as Singapore and Hong Kong, but recorded nominal output of 2.2 trillion yuan (US$338 billion) in 2017 thanks to its booming hi-tech sector. Over 40% of the output came from “innovative” businesses such as internet, biotech and telecom. And that's despite Shenzhen being under communist party rule, while Hong Kong is suffering under its own democratic government. If you claim said that Taiwan should hold a plebiscite, then shouldn't you also get the opinion of all of mainland Chinese that Taiwan is part of China? You say the great majority of the Chinese community in Greater Vancouver consider themselves Taiwanese, then why are they in Vancouver, Canada? From what you said so far, you don't sound like you're Chinese yourself, why are you involving yourself in China's internal affairs in HK and TW? If war breaks out between Taiwan and the mainland, that would be a resumption of the Chinese Civil War, therefore it's an internal civil war within China. Japan is bound by WWII surrender treaty (Article 9 of the Japanese constitution) to not declare war on any other country (except in self-defence) so why would they join in a hypothetical war within China, when their constitution forbids the declaration of war? Why would South Korea also join the hypothetical war within China? Doing so will weaken South Korea's forces, making it ripe for their neighbour North Korea to reunify Korea. South Korea is most concerned with North Korean forces, why would they waste their forces on a hypothetical internal civil war within China? And why would U.S support Taiwan against mainland China? China is USA's biggest trading partner, what does Taiwan have to offer USA that they would declare war with mainland China?
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  12498. Where is Saddam Hussein's chemical weapons then? After Iraq war, no trace of WMDs were even found to be in Iraq's possession, so what is the motive for USA invading Iraq then? Now USA is claiming Syria has chemical weapons too? And what makes you think installing democracy isn't bad, when it results in bloodshed and civilian casualties? During Vietnam War, USA use napalm to burn out villages and chemicals like Agent Orange to destroy foliage to expose the Viet Cong, but it result in lingering effects on Vietnamese civilians. And what makes you think USA is responsible for South Korea and China responsible for Vietnam? Every country is responsible for itself. Look at USA invade Iraq and Afghanistan, and are those countries any better than they were before? In Civil War people die, just like in American civil war, so why are you blaming China for civil war? Today, China is not at war with any country, and is peaceful for 30 years since our last war in 1979. And killing people who disobey the government is part of capital punishment isn't it? Even the USA sentence criminals to death for disobeying the government laws so if you claim that this is bad, then why USA have capital punishment too? And you think all religion are good is that it? Why can't Chinese government take measures to curb religions that are disruptive to daily life? If you don't control the religion, then the religion will control your people isn't it? And regarding loans, China runs a business, not a charity. Why is it you think giving charity to people will help them? If you give someone a fish, they live for a day. If you teach him to fish, then they live for way longer. China is building infrastructure like roads, railways, highways, schools, hospitals, hotels, shopping centers, powerstations and telecommunication projects, so that African nations can prosper. Isn't that much better than just giving charity?
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  12507.  @himanshusingh5214  The Westerners believe in "free market" system, which is likened to a wild, untamed river, flowing to and fro according to market forces. Would you let the river flow unchecked and cause widespread destruction to your markets? Because that is what happens in a free market, and that's why USA let its market get flooded with cheap Chinese goods, and US companies are allowed to escape to low labour countries like China and Vietnam and set up here. The Chinese government's approach is to "tame the river" by building a "dam" and controlling the river in order to maximise the benefits to China. China has a large market which is why many foreign companies want a slice and our own fledgling Chinese companies would surely perish if exposed directly to global competition from Western companies, so the government "shields" them and provide a home advantage to local companies to allow them to compete with foreign companies. For example, China block Western websites like Facebook, Google, YouTube, etc, and develop our own equivalents, like Weibo, Baidu, YouKu, etc, so as to deny profits to the foreign companies. Once our local companies become strong enough, they can slowly start expanding to foreign markets outside of China. Huawei and Lenovo are two examples of Chinese companies that have expanded to overseas markets. China's approach is apparently very successful, because the above listed Chinese companies are products of China's strategy. Those companies I mentioned would probably not exist today, if not for the government strictly limiting foreign companies in China.
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  12633.  @Darkademic  But which of those figures are actually "student protestors" and how many of them died in Tiananmen Square on the night of 3rd and 4th June 1989? Because there exists various accounts that while tanks did indeed entered Tiananmen Square, the students were eventually allowed to leave the Square peacefully. There are many false witness accounts which were later proven wrong. For example: a Qinghua University student described machine guns mowing down students in front of the Monument to the People’s Heroes in the middle of the square. The New York Times gave this version prominent display on June 12, just a week after the event, but NO EVIDENCE was ever found to confirm the account or verify the existence of the alleged witness. Another account: Student leader Wu’er Kaixi said he had seen 200 students cut down by gunfire, but it was later proven that he left the square several hours before the events he described allegedly occurred. (So the student left before the supposed massacre) CBS correspondent Richard Roth’s story of being arrested and removed from the scene refers to “powerful bursts of automatic weapons, raging gunfire for a minute and a half that lasts as long as a nightmare.” Black and Munro quote a Chinese eyewitness who says the gunfire was from army commandos shooting out the student loudspeakers at the top of the monument. So the gunfire was from commandos shooting out the student's loudspeakers at the top of the monument, not that students are being shot at.
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  12676.  @DontUputThatEvilOnMe  Westerners have long been predicting China's economic downfall. Here's a list: 1990. The Economist: China's economy has come to a halt. 1996. The Economist: China's economy will face hard landing. 1998. The Economist: China's economy entering a dangerous period of sluggish growth. 1999. Bank of Canada: Likelihood of a hard landing for the Chinese economy. 2000. Chicago Tribune: China currency move nails hard landing risk coffin. 2001. Wilbanks, Smith & Thomas: A hard landing in China. 2002. Westchester University: China Anxiously Seeks A Soft Economic landing. 2003. KWR International: How to find a soft landing if China.. 2004. The Economist: The great fall of China? 2005. Nouriel Roubini: The Risk of a Hard Landing in China. 2006. International Economy: Can China Achieve a Soft Landing? 2007. TIME: Is China's Economy Overheating? Can China avoid a hard landing? 2008. Forbes: Hard Landing in China? 2009. Fortune: China's hard landing. China must find a way to recover. 2010. Nouriel Roubini: Hard landing coming in China. 2011. Business Insider: A Chinese Hard Landing May Be Closer Than You Think. 2012. American Interest: Dismal Economic News from China: A Hard Landing. 2013. Zero Hedge: A Hard Landing in China. 2014. CNBC: A hard landing in China. 2015. Forbes: Congratulations, You got Yourself A Chinese Hard Landing.... 2016. The Economist: Hard Landing looms for China. 2017. National Interest: Is China's Economy Going To Crash? 2018. The Daily Reckoning: China's Coming Financial Meltdown. 2019. Zero Hedge: Seven Reasons Why China Is Facing A Hard Landing In 2019 ... But its already 2021, and China's economy is still going strong. So why continue to believe China's economy will fall, given that Western economist predictions about China's collapse been proven consistently wrong for almost 30 years already?
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  12677.  @DontUputThatEvilOnMe  Westerners have long been predicting China's economic downfall. Here's a list: 1990. The Economist: China's economy has come to a halt. 1996. The Economist: China's economy will face hard landing. 1998. The Economist: China's economy entering a dangerous period of sluggish growth. 1999. Bank of Canada: Likelihood of a hard landing for the Chinese economy. 2000. Chicago Tribune: China currency move nails hard landing risk coffin. 2001. Wilbanks, Smith & Thomas: A hard landing in China. 2002. Westchester University: China Anxiously Seeks A Soft Economic landing. 2003. KWR International: How to find a soft landing if China.. 2004. The Economist: The great fall of China? 2005. Nouriel Roubini: The Risk of a Hard Landing in China. 2006. International Economy: Can China Achieve a Soft Landing? 2007. TIME: Is China's Economy Overheating? Can China avoid a hard landing? 2008. Forbes: Hard Landing in China? 2009. Fortune: China's hard landing. China must find a way to recover. 2010. Nouriel Roubini: Hard landing coming in China. 2011. Business Insider: A Chinese Hard Landing May Be Closer Than You Think. 2012. American Interest: Dismal Economic News from China: A Hard Landing. 2013. Zero Hedge: A Hard Landing in China. 2014. CNBC: A hard landing in China. 2015. Forbes: Congratulations, You got Yourself A Chinese Hard Landing.... 2016. The Economist: Hard Landing looms for China. 2017. National Interest: Is China's Economy Going To Crash? 2018. The Daily Reckoning: China's Coming Financial Meltdown. 2019. Zero Hedge: Seven Reasons Why China Is Facing A Hard Landing In 2019 ... But its already 2021, and China's economy is still going strong. So why continue to believe China's economy will fall, given that Western economist predictions about China's collapse been proven consistently wrong for almost 30 years already?
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  12768. +ジョーさん The thing is, all of Taiwan's prosperity occurred under the authoritarian KMT rule (similar to China's progress occurring under authoritarian CCP rule) Only in 2016 (2 years ago) did another party (DPP) finally took over KMT at the reins, and since then Taiwan's economy has been in a slump. Its because the newcomer party (DPP) doesn't have the same governing experience as KMT, and if I'm not wrong, there was even violence breaking up in the Taiwan Parliament with members throwing chairs and furniture at each other. Massive fight breaks out in Taiwanese parliament youtube.com/watch?v=kXmPDLRt6hA Whereas the CCP doesn't act like that. There may be infighting among the various CCP political factions, but when an agreement is made, they go along with implementing the policy efficiently. But back to Taiwan, how can the people of Taiwan trust such people to be your government? Because the West thinks that every country should adopt democracy? Look at President Trump making use of his charisma to seduce votes from gullible Americans with false promises of making America great again. Is such as system really good for the USA, as for Taiwan? In my opinion, Politics should be about doing what's right, not necessarily what's popular. Sometimes the popular thing may not be right, and the right thing may not be popular. Democracy, reduced to its basic elements, is all about doing what's popular, not necessarily what's right. Why do you let the ordinary people who aren't politically savvy, vote for such important decisions regarding your countries future? Why not let the people who know how to govern govern?
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  12795. +Tim Horn SJWs are people who fight for causes that they themselves lack deep seated conviction and engaging in disingenuous arguments. They argue for the sake of appearing "politically correct" that's all, in order to raise their personal reputation. Since you already admitted that you are not into Hip Hop culture (which many other people in this section have expressed similar dislike as well) then why are you even fighting to defend it at all? Why can't Chinese government ban things that are obviously detrimental to our society? Hip Hop songs contain many lyrics about sex, violence, drugs and a life of crime, so why can't we stop it from being broadcasted on television? Adults know well enough to steer clear of crime, but young kids don't, and they often want to imitate this to appear "cool". So why can't China ban it in our country for those reasons? People like you fighting to defend a cause that you yourselves lack conviction, now that is part of the definition of SJWs. Your behavior is similar to those LGBT activists who aren't themselves LGBT (may even secretly dislike it themselves) but want everyone to enjoy themselves and be left alone. For what? Because its the politically correct thing to do? Why don't you people just be honest with yourselves here, instead of faking it and defending them for sake of political correctness? Hip Hop songs lyrics themselves already promote degeneracy, and combined with several other factors to subconsciously influence generations over time. Catchphrases like "F**k the Police" and "Thug Life" only promote lack of respect for authority, and encourage people commit crimes and abuse drugs. Its your Western countries choice (and funeral) if you want to continue degrading societal values, but don't expect China to follow suit.
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  12809.  @echelon2k8  "神州 Shenzhou Again, China saying that they are being neutral whilst trading with both sides as though this war isn't happening when they know it is happening whilst other nations are condemning and sanctioning Russia for what is happening is de facto supporting Russia during this time." But that's exactly what neutral countries do, they continue trading with both Russia and Ukraine as though there is nothing happening. Other nations condemn Russia, that's their own business, but China is neutral unlike those other countries, so how does your logic even make sense that China is not neutral? You said: "Not only helping them, but helping themselves. They also plan to benefit out of this in more ways than one with their desire to act as a mediator." Because that's what neutral countries like China do, we strive towards win-win cooperation not slapping sanctions against Russia just because others say so. I really don't see you logic on how you can claim China is not neutral when China is clearly not picking a side between Russia and Ukraine. You said: "It doesn't matter if they're a quarter, an eighth or a sixteenth, they're still Chinese, unless they're not Chinese." So even if they are 1/32 or 1/64 or 1/128 Chinese, it means they are still Chinese? Unless they are not Chinese? What sort of troll logic is this? Obviously there are more than two options, but you're just trying to limit the number of options to just yes or no. You said: "It doesn't require a ''life story" worth of an answer to the question, a simple yes or no would suffice for what is being asked." It does require tracing your lineage and as well as various other factors just to answer this question. Just like Russian-Ukraine history goes back many years and Russians and Ukrainians were originally one people. You said: "Yes, if they have no other real choice in order to ethically act otherwise, which apparently they don't, I completely agree with you." So you've just agreed that EU countries continue to buy Russian gas, then why are you harping over China choosing to not slap sanctions over Russia? You said: "Private companies, such as McDonald's, etc, who 'choose' whether or not they want to pull out of Russia at this time is separate from the government mandated sanctions of these countries." It's because the EU governments slap sanctions on Russia that's why McDonald's and other companies choose to pull out of Russia and that the ordinary Russian civilians are suffering as a result of sanctions (that don't work btw). And again, those ethnic Russians living in the West are being discriminated against because of their race, such as Russian athletes, sportsmen, chess players, musicians, composers, conductors, dancers, artists, and so on. So aren't the West literally targeting anyone of Russian descent here in these witch-hunts? You said: "Making an accusation that China is not neutral is different from making an accusation that China is deliberately giving Russia the ability to get around their sanctions, even if this is what they are actually doing." It's the same because you have no evidence to substantiate your argument. Furthermore, you've just agreed that EU countries continue to purchase Russian gas, because they depend on it to survive through the winter. You said: "I said let me know when the US starts starts supporting dictators that unlawfully invade other sovereign democratic countries." I already gave it previously, you've just choose to ignored it because you can't refute it. You said: "Again, not one elected by the people." Take the last Hong Kong Chief Executive election in 2017. Carrie Lam won the three-way election garnering 777 votes out of the 1,200 Election Committee (which consist entirely of Hong Kong groups) so how have the Hong Kong people not elected their leader when the elections results indicate so? You said: "They're a puppet government of Beijing which won't allow anyone to govern Hong Kong who isn't being controlled by them from above." Hong Kong government is a separate government from Beijing, and Beijing does not cast any votes in Hong Kong elections, they only appoint the HK Chief Executive as per Hong Kong Basic Law Article 45, (香港基本法第四十五條) which states that: "The Chief Executive of the Hong Kong Special Administrative Region shall be selected by election or through consultations held locally and be appointed by the Central People's Government." You said: "The people of Hong Kong after all their protests did not choose to be targeted as terrorists just for protesting what they thought was injustice against them." Some Hong Kong rioters were literally throwing petrol bombs at Hong Kong police officers, they even doused an elderly man in flammable liquid and ignited him, as well as threw bricks that killed an elderly Hong Kong cleaner. You said: "China is now in a state of ongoing non-compliance with the Joint Declaration." The Sino-British Joint Declaration IS Hong Kong Basic Law, and Article 23 states that Hong Kong shall enact laws to prohibit any act of treason, secession, sedition, subversion against Beijing, so this Hong Kong National Security Law is in accordance with Hong Kong Basic Law and therefore, the Sino-British Joint Declaration as well. You said: "Which is why the Hong Kong government is a puppet government and why they have basically ignored Hong Kong's legally binding handover treaty with Britain." Hong Kong Basic Law was written by the British, and it's under Article 45 that Beijing clearly reserves the right to appoint the Hong Kong Chief Executive, so how is mainland China ignoring the Joint Declaration? You said: "Through a military offensive in which large numbers of combatants of one political entity aggressively enter territory governed by another." But it is still entirely within the same country of China, so how can a country invade itself?
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  12856. +Adityaa Chaubey Even if you dismiss it from being Chinese website, the end of article also says "The U.S. has not taken a side so far. State Department spokeswoman Heather Nauertsaid on July 18 that the U.S. is concerned about the ongoing situation there, saying both sides should work together to try to come up with some better sort of arrangement for peace." This means USA is at most, neutral to the conflict. As for Hiramatsu's statement, it could be ambiguous, because it is talking about unilaterally change status quo by force and could also perhaps refer to Indian troops entering Chinese territory by force. Where exactly does Japan say it does not recognise Doklam as Chinese territory? If you agree with that guy only on one specific section, then did you quote his entire comment? including the "Chinese are inferior race, and China is a disease which needs to be treated." It's obvious that you insult and mock Chinese people constantly, just because our views differ from yours. Pakistan is nuclear-capable state, unlike Afghanistan, Israel, etc. so it's unlikely that they will attack a nuclear state when Kashmir mainly concerns India and Pakistan. They will most likely remain neutral. Russia is neutral to both of us, but India also hold military drills with USA and Japan. If India grows too close to USA, then Russia will grow further from India. USA fighter jets and missiles are going to cost a bomb for India and possibly hurt its economy. China manufactures our own weapons locally, so it is cheaper for long term war, unlike India which has to purchase its weapons subjected to market prices. India cannot officially export Brahmos to Vietnam without Russia approval, since it is joint project between both countries. On 5 August 2017, Indian External Affairs Ministry spokesperson Raveesh Kumar said Vietnam’s Foreign Ministry has already rejected the reports of India sales of Brahmos to Vietnam.
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  12857. +Adityaa Chaubey Your first link is not working for me. It says " The web service to this account has been limited temporarily! " According to your Forbes Article on India's GDP, "We must, of course, take such macroeconomic predictions with the necessary pinch of salt" so no one knows how its going to play out. Furthermore, it assumes that there is peace and stability in India and no war with China, in order to make that prediction. Trump is only expected to sell the drones to India, and according to the article, India made its participation “contingent on receiving billions and billions and billions of dollars in foreign aid.” India has been identified as being the top recipient of US economic aid according (timesofindia.indiatimes.com/world/us/India-top-recipient-of-US-economic-aid/articleshow/48093123.cms ) Regarding Brahmos, you are only using words like "likely" meaning that the sales is unconfirmed and both spokepersons have addressed the issue in this article (idrw.org/brahmos-not-sold-to-vietnam-india/ ) According to above article "Raveesh Kumar official spokesperson of the Ministry of External Affairs (MEA) in India has clarified that India has not supplied supersonic Brahmos Cruise missiles to Vietnam and spokesperson for Vietnam’s External Affairs also has clarified he had not confirmed the sale and just talked about defence and strategic relations with India and was misquoted by Vietnamese media." Israel only widely believed to possess nuclear weapons according to the Wikipedia. If whole world sure of Israel possessing WMD, then why isn't Israel labelled as one? Lastly, I did not threaten to ask North Korea to launch nuclear attack on Japan. I only said Chinese cooperation is essential to containing the North Korean missile threat. What has that post got to do with this post? Why are you putting words in my mouth? You are the one claiming "Chinese people are inferior, and that China is disease which needs to be cured" so why all you do is mock China, our people, our government and so on? Chinese people are among worlds most diligent and intelligent people, as recognized by most of world's other races. Our government is not perfect, but it has done much to lift China out of poverty and turn our country into economy juggernaut. Even now, the government is defending our sovereignty claims, backed by historical evidence, while Indian troops are trespassing into territory that India doesn't even claim as its own. If war breaks out in Donglong, which I hope it doesn't, Indian troops will be labelled as invaders, while PLA troops will be defending our lands.
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  12860. +Adityaa Chaubey In 1960, Zhou Enlai proposed that India drop its claim to Aksai Chin and China would withdraw its claims from NEFA. That way, both our countries will have sovereignty over territory already controlled by our countries. But Nehru rejected this proposal and refused to negotiate further. Zhou Enlai visited New Delhi 4 times, whereas Nehru only visited Beijing once, so who is more sincere in settling our border disputes here? Nehru pursued an aggressive "Forward" policy of building military outposts at our disputed border. There were eventually 60 such outposts, including 43 north of the McMahon Line, so which country is the one provoking the other one here? Zhou Enlai even proposed a 20 KM demilitarized zone, and withdrew Chinese troops, but Nehru continued to occupy territory that PLA troops had vacated. Who doesn't know whose history well here? Why was Nehru building so many military bases at our disputed border, instead of sitting down to settle border negotiations once at for all? You claim China has no solid evidence support claim to Donglong, then what claim does India have for McMahon line? It was signed by British India and Tibet, which India doesn't recognize as a sovereign state, so why is McMahon line legal? According (tibetjustice.org/materials/treaties/treaties12.html ) Great Britain recognized the suzerainty rights of China over Tibet and agreed not to enter into negotiations with Tibet except through the intermediary of the Chinese Government. But the British broke their agreement and bypassed Chinese intermediary to signed McMahon line directly with Tibet, when Britain itself doesn't recognize Tibetan sovereignty. So why is McMahon line still valid when Britain ignored Chinese input completely?
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  12963. Russian MiGs are sometimes known as "Flying Coffins" due to the number of crashes over the years. 1993 – two MiG-29s of the Russian Air Force collided in mid-air. 17 Oct 2008 – a MiG-29 crashed in southern Siberia. 5 Dec 2008 – a MiG-29 lost part of its tail section due to corrosion and crashed in southern Siberia. 2010 – a MiG-31 crashed in the Perm Krai. 6 Sept 2011 – a MiG-31 on a training mission crashed in the Perm Krai. 4 June 2015 – a MiG-29 fighter crashed and was completely destroyed. 5 July 2015 – a MiG-29 crashed near Krasnodarsk reportedly due to a fire onboard. 14 Nov 2016 – a Mig-29 crashed in the Mediterranean while attempting to land on aircraft carrier. The Indian Air Force also buys Russian MiGs and lost half of its pilots to deadly MiG crashes. 15 Jul 2013 – A MiG-21 crashed while landing at Uttarlai airbase. 8 Nov 2013 – A MiG-29 crashed near Jamnagar minutes after it took off. 27 May 2014 – A MIG-21 crashed in Bijbehara area of Anantnag district in Kashmir. 31 Jan 2015 – A MiG-21 crashed west of Jamnagar city on into a mangrove forest. 8 May 2015 – MiG-27 crashed in West Bengal’s Tantipara area. 24, 2015 – A MiG-21 crashed near a village in Budgam district of Jammu and Kashmir. 2016 – A MiG 27 crashed in Jodhpur, Rajasthan. There is a reason why Chinese government decided build our own jet fighters instead. I got nothing against Russian military hardware and it is thanks to Russian jets that China has the foundation necessary to manufacture fighter jets of our own.
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  12972. +Ryan Lajara Since exactly when does USA follow UN and the international law? For example, the USA suspected Iraq of harboring Weapons of Mass Destruction, but UN did not agree to let Iraq be invaded. So US President Bush formed a coalition to invade Iraq in 2003, resulting in mass civilian causalities. The Iraq Body Count project estimated over 100,000 Iraqi civilians causalities as result of Iraq war. In the end, no WMD was ever found in Iraq. The then UN Secretary General, Kofi Annan, called the US invasion of Iraq as not in conformity with the UN charter and was illegal. If China wanted Asia for itself, then why is China building infrastructure to help developing economies to grow, like Pakistan Economic Corridor project, and even in Africa as well? China has pledged billions of dollars to aid African development, building roads, railways, schools, hospitals, hotels, shopping centers, football stadiums, and telecommunication projects. You claim China want ASIAN hegemony, but China does not have any overseas military bases (except for the one in Djibouti). In contrast, USA wants WORLD hegemony, which is why it has over 500+ military bases even in Okinawa Japan, South Korea and of course, the Philippines. Source: Wikipedia: List of countries with overseas military bases en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_with_overseas_military_bases So, its because of the above reasons, why I believe USA is the greater evil, since it wants to maintain its global hegemony at all costs.
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  12973. +Ryan Lajara Iraq invaded Kuwait in 1990, during the start of the Gulf War. But I am talking about the 2nd Iraq war (the one in 2003) when President Bush ordered invasion of Iraq on suspicion of harboring WMD. Chemical weapons were found in Gulf War (1990) but as far as I know, USA did not find any new evidence of WMD during Iraqi war (2003), which was the basis for the US invasion. Even today, USA is still at war with Middle East countries, whereas China is not at war with any country currently, so why do you still China as the greater evil here? Why you believe because a coalition of states support a country, tells that it is not a very evil move? During WW2, Germany, Japan and Italy formed the Axis powers, means that it is not a evil move? What about further back in history, during Boxing Rebellion in China, where 8 nations (USA, UK, France, Russia, Italy, ... ... even Japan) invaded China to steal our territories, plunder our wealth, kill our men and even rape our women? After the Rebellion, China's territory was carved up like a pie and given to the victorious countries. Just because more Allies group together, means that it is not evil? What logic is this? I have never said what China does is for free. China runs a business, not a charity and in such business arrangements, both sides agree on the terms of the transaction, so both sides benefit. China is not forcing those countries to do business if they don't want to. But what about European colonialism in Africa, in which they colonize Africa and plunder it of its resources, while importing African slaves to work in their countries? What about genocide of Native Americans and Australian Aboriginals, so that Europeans can occupy their lands and live in those countries? Isn't that the much greater evil here? What makes you think having US bases in their territory, means that the US treated them well? In South Korea, there is prostitution for US servicemen stationed there and in Okinawa Japan, the US servicemen can rape the local Okinawans with impunity, and the Japanese government can't do anything about it. Source: Thousands protest at US bases on Okinawa after Japanese woman's murder theguardian.com/world/2016/jun/19/thousands-protest-at-us-bases-on-okinawa-after-japanese-womans Also, Philippines was once Spanish colony, but Americans promised to grant Philippines independence. After Spanish defeated, Americans refuse to grant Philippines Independence and fought to conquer the country instead. This resulted in Philippine American war of 1899. The Americans massacred men, women, children, prisoners and captives, active insurgents etc. After the whole thing, 4,000 American soldiers died, 20,000 Filipino Soldiers died, and a whopping quarter million Filipino civilians died as a result of this war. The Philippine American War youtube.com/watch?v=bN2wrZGcs8s Thus, its because of the above reasons, why I claim USA is the greater evil. You may think that these wars are in the past, but look at America today, and isn't it still at war with Middle East countries? What makes you think USA won't start another war again? China today is at peace, and instead of waging war, we are helping poorer countries in Africa and Asia to develop their countries, so how is China considered the greater evil here? There are some sovereignty disputes, but it is bloodless and there hasn't been any outright war, unlike USA and the Middle East.
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  12979.  @peorakef  What makes you think liberal democracy is good for ROC or PRC or whatever you wish to call China? Back then, Nobody expected the communist CPC to succeed against the "democratic" KMT, yet the "democratic" KMT still lost the mainland to poorly trained, ill-equipped, heavily outnumbered communists and had to flee to Formosa. And from then on, Taiwan had been under authoritarian single-party KMT rule for more than half its life. For decades the KMT ruled Taiwan with iron fist and Chiang kai-shek was a dictator who jailed and executed dissidents and political rivals (whether real or perceived) in a period known as White Terror (白色恐怖) and imposed martial law on Taiwan for more than 38 years, which was qualified as "the longest imposition of martial law by a regime anywhere in the world" at that time. Source: White Terror (Taiwan) wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Terror_(Taiwan) But under authoritarian single-party KMT rule, Taiwan actually flourished and prospered, in what's known as the Taiwan Miracle (台湾奇迹). Between 1952 – 1982, Taiwan's economic growth was on average 8.7%, and between 1983 – 1986 at 6.9%. Taiwan GDP grew by 360% between 1965 – 1986. The percentage of global exports was over 2% in 1986, over other recently industrialized countries, and the global industrial production output grew a further 680% between 1965 – 1986. And its all been achieved under KMT leadership. Source: Taiwan Miracle wikipedia.org/wiki/Taiwan_Miracle Only in the late 1990s, when democracy was introduced (because USA threatened to cut off weapons sales to Taiwan) did Taiwan's economic growth became more modest. So isn't Taiwan actually successful because of its authoritarian single-party KMT rule, which jailed and killed political dissidents? How's that any different from mainland China under the CPC?
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  12986. +Bruce Leroy Pfft. Didn't Westerners themselves invent the concept of Libtard and numerous other insults against Liberals? You really think Americans have "choice" simply because you can vote? You spouted an entire list of "progressive" goals to achieve, but have you truly met any of them sufficiently? I mean, just because its called "progressive" doesn't automatically mean that it is progressing in the right direction. Liberalism encompass a wide range of topics, from democracy, workers rights to LGBT rights, to Feminism and many more topics impossible to cover entirely so I will just touch on a few. Feminism: Feminism in the West has become more like male-hating than true gender equality. Women are encouraged to dominate their men in relationships and in the workplace, sometimes acting downright aggressive to men. Young, beautiful girls are encouraged eat whatever they want, to get tattoos and piercings, to act "unladylike", to grow fat and unattractive, and yet, the Western media will tell them that men will desire them and find them attractive. If they are attracted by your looks, then they are "shallow" people and they don't deserve you. Are you sure that's what you want for society? LGBT rights: Homosexual marriage is encouraged and same-sex couples can adopt children. Is this really considered progressive? By destroying the basic family unit (man + woman + any kids they had together) many social problems have been created. What happens to those adopted kids at school if they get bullied/made fun of? How will they grow up with such a different mindset of a family? Workers Right: People are always asking for more rights, more pay, less work, more healthcare, etc. The impact of this is that America becomes less and less productive and competitive overall as a nation. Who pays for all those improvements? In time, your jobs will start flowing to Chinese and other lower paid workers, because of American workers higher salaries and so on. Democracy: (When a court declares a law unconstitutional, the citizens may override that ruling by popular vote) This line cracks me up. So you mean laws made by qualified lawyers can suddenly be overturned because of popular vote? Who is more qualified to pass laws, the judges and lawyers, or the ordinary citizen? Why you people obsessed with "democracy" seem to think that the most popular vote is right? In my opinion, politics should be about doing what's right, NOT what's popular. Sometimes, the popular thing may not be right, and the right thing may not be popular. Democracy is only doing what's popular, not necessarily what's right. Look at Brexit for example. You mean just because the British held a referendum and voted to leave the EU, means that Britain must leave the EU? Why don't you let the politicians decide the future of the country, instead of leaving it in the hands of the common people? Do the common people know enough about politics to make such important decisions regarding the country's future? My final statement is simply stating your parties entire list of goals, doesn't automatically mean that it will accomplish anything. Have you people achieved any of the goals you set out to do?
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  13005.  @WatchingMindlesslySince2006  Turns out it was all just a big misunderstanding. In a tweet, the Chinese embassy in Paris clarified that the incidents of patients being left to die after being abandoned by care workers occurred in Spain, not France. 北京随即解释说是这是“误解”,并否认所有“对法国抗击疫情的负面评论”。面对法国舆论的巨大批评,中国大使馆也出面解释说,文章实际上是针对西班牙的,因为三月底,西班牙部队在类似的养老部门里发现了死亡例子。但是因为文章使用了法国专门护理不能自理的老人机构的缩写词“ 老人院(Ehpad)”,这一缩写很少在法国以外使用,因此,被认为是指发生在法国养老院里,其中包括法国外长。 最后,法国外长表示,北京的反应“消除了所有的误解,并重申了在新的多边主义中合作的必要性”。 Translation: Beijing immediately explained that it was a "misunderstanding" and denied all "negative comments about France's fight against the epidemic." In the face of huge criticism from French public opinion, the Chinese embassy also came forward to explain that the article was actually aimed at Spain, because at the end of March, Spanish troops found examples of deaths in similar pension departments. However, because the article uses the French acronym "Ehpad", a French acronym for specialized care for the elderly who cannot take care of themselves, this acronym is rarely used outside of France, so it is considered to refer to the occurrence in French nursing homes, including the French foreign minister. In the end, the French foreign minister said that Beijing's response "dispelled all misunderstandings and reaffirmed the need for cooperation in the new multilateralism".
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  13032.  @jp95js  So you've been previously involved in some bar fights yourself, but again what did it resolve? How does physical violence help to resolve anything? Why not use words to talk things over like adults, rather than using fists to resolve issues? Physical violence clearly doesn't resolve anything, yet you seem to advocate violence against people who bring up China's positive achievements? Since you have admitted that you haven't, nor will you ever go to the People's Republic of China, then how can you claim to know what life is really like here for yourself, when you've never been? What gave you such a negative impression of a place in which you never actually set foot in? (Just like earlier, why did you mention the International Court of Justice when it was non-UN agency like Permanent Court of Arbitration that conducted the South China Sea ruling? What made you think it was the ICJ instead of the PCA?) If you claim that the Communist Party of China covered up the coronavirus, then why did China report to the World Health Organization of a "mysterious pneumonia" like illness on 31st Dec 2019? By 5th Jan 2020 China had identified and isolated the coronavirus strain in record time and by 12th Jan 2020 China had sequenced Covid-19 genome in record time and shared the information with WHO. So what makes you claim that China covered up the virus? And about allowing the coronavirus to be exported out of China, the Chinese government had lockdown Wuhan so why would the government do that if they wanted to allow the coronavirus to be exported? Why lockdown Wuhan if that was their purpose all along?
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  13050.  @merrick6195  About the re-education centres, the Muslims in China are Chinese citizens by birth (it says so on their Resident Identity Card) and they are receiving a proper Chinese education, learning Mandarin Chinese (national language of China) Chinese history and cultivating patriotism towards their homeland, China. Just like the Hawaiins in Hawaii are American Citizens by birth (it says so on their ID) and they learn English at school, American history and cultivate patriotism towards their homeland, America. Terrorism is caused by joblessness, poor education and people harboring resentment. Many terrorist attacks happen while the terrorist is in the terminal stage, once the extremist has reached the end of his/her rope and starts shooting and killing people. By then, it's far too late, people have already been killed, so why not attempt to root out the problem of terrorism in the initial stages? If you study all terrorist behaviour data, then you can spot the conditions for extremism and identify the high risk potential terrorists groups, and hopefully prevent them from deteriorating further into extremism. Just like shootings by gunman, many neighbours or relatives know about the suspects radicalism, but choose to do nothing until the gunman starts shooting and killing people, which by then, it's already too late. By educating those potential high risk groups, future tragedy could potentially be averted, lives could be preserved and the potential extremist can rejoin as a productive member of society. It's really reinforces the belief of sacrificing human rights to preserve human lives, for the greater good of China, so why can't China teach our own people our own policies?
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  13052.  @merrick6195  "神州 Shenzhou no. Because if you believe in equality, you wouldn't be supporting dictatorship." Equality has many different definitions, just like Dictatorship has many. In China, there is "dictatorship of the proletariat". where the Chinese government controls the state-owned companies for China's benefit. Whereas in USA, the U.S corporations control the U.S government for war and profit, waging wars in the Middle East to control the oil and not caring as the bottom 50% of lower income Americans become poorer through the decades. Rich people control everything in the USA and get away with growing inequality, whereas in China, even the rich have to bow down to the government's authority if they overstep their boundaries. This is what is meant by equality and dictatorship, nothing is being done about growing inequality in the USA, while something is being done to lift poor people out of poverty in China to close the income gap. And the point is that don't you find your actions ironic, where you want to promote Chinese speaking freely, yet you condemn Cyrus simply for voicing his opinion? One that happens to differ from yours? You're literally being a dictator yourself by trying to impose your views onto Cyrus Janssen, yet you're calling him a traitor to democracy and supporting dictatorship? How much more obvious should the irony be for you to see? …… You said: "Anyone who respects human rights would not stand watching other people treated as animals." Why don't Westerners start at home, by treating people of Asian descent with respect, instead of being less than human? Look at the rising racially-motivated attacks against people of Asian descent, and you want to lecture China on how not to treat people like animals? Simple basic decency is lacking, yet you want to talk about higher orders of treatment?
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  13053.  @merrick6195  "神州 Shenzhou First, mask wearing could be promoted as it is a public health measure. And it does not harm the intrinsic human rights." So why are many Westerners ever so reluctant to wear masks, claiming that it infringes on their basic human rights? Asian society has a culture of mask-wearing, something that was missing in the West until quite recently. In the West, wearing a mask in public is seen as selfish, because you appear to be protecting yourself from other people's infection. This can be seen in the way many Westerners spit on people who wear masks or tried to pull them off. Whereas in Asian culture, mask-wearing is seen as being polite, that you are trying to prevent others from catching your flu. This supports the belief of sacrificing human rights to preserve human lives for the greater good. And if you support mask-wearing, then you are reinforcing this idea of sacrificing human rights for the greater good, isn't it? …… You said: "How can this be compared to forcing people to stay home when they have a low risk of spreading the infection?" Because while they may not spread the infection themselves, the infection might spread to them, if they go out and mass gather in public (especially without a mask). All it takes is just one single infected person among a group of uninfected person for Covid-19 to spread, so why allow the group of people gather in the first place? Again, this supports the belief about sacrificing human rights to preserve human lives. By staying at home, you are helping the greater good of society at the cost of your rights.
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  13082. Western economist are always saying China is on the verge of economic collapse since 1990s. Look at what Western journalists have to say about China's economy 1990. The Economist: China's economy has come to a halt. 1996. The Economist: China's economy will face hard landing. 1998. The Economist: China's economy entering a dangerous period of sluggish growth. 1999. Bank of Canada: Likelihood of a hard landing for the Chinese economy. 2000. Chicago Tribune: China currency move nails hard landing risk coffin. 2001. Wilbanks, Smith & Thomas: A hard landing in China. 2002. Westchester University: China Anxiously Seeks A Soft Economic landing. 2003. KWR International: How to find a soft landing if China.. 2004. The Economist: The great fall of China? 2005. Nouriel Roubini: The Risk of a Hard Landing in China. 2006. International Economy: Can China Achieve a Soft Landing? 2007. TIME: Is China's Economy Overheating? Can China avoid a hard landing? 2008. Forbes: Hard Landing in China? 2009. Fortune: China's hard landing. China must find a way to recover. 2010. Nouriel Roubini: Hard landing coming in China. 2011. Business Insider: A Chinese Hard Landing May Be Closer Than You Think. 2012. American Interest: Dismal Economic News from China: A Hard Landing. 2013. Zero Hedge: A Hard Landing in China. 2014. CNBC: A hard landing in China. 2015. Forbes: Congratulations, You got Yourself A Chinese Hard Landing.... 2016. The Economist: Hard Landing looms for China. Clearly, Western propaganda is biased against China's economic success and has been consistently proven wrong for almost 30 years, so why believe all those Western rumors about China being on the verge of banking collapse? Western economists haven't been right about their predictions of Chinese economy for almost 30 years.
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  13106. +Global Thinker What is with your weird house and doorstep analogy? China builds roads within our doorstep, not mines and tanks. And it is Indian's troops that are currently stationed in Chinese territory and doorstep, so why can't the government request India withdraw its forces from our territory? India currently does not claim Doklam/Donglong, so how is that considered India's doorstep? Why are you mocking me about sky is green? I provided evidence and links support my claim, but you provide only story about houses and neighbors to this discussion. +Alex Johnson I have stated twice (now thrice) previously, that China does not claim Bhutan as part of China. Why don't you read my posts before posting redundant arguments? President Xi Jinping and President Durterte of Phillipines are settling our disputes peacefully through diplomatic means, so isn't that much better than war of any sort? +ANUPAM RASTOGI It is bilateral issue between Bhutan and China, but is only made more complicated by Indian troops intervention. Why don't India withdraw its troops from Chinese territory first, and observe as neutral party, without taking sides in this bilateral issue? PLA troops may have erroneously entered Indian territory, but they withdrew in the end. Why don't Indian troops in China do the same as well, so we can maintain peace in the region? +Sam D All you do is insult me. When did I insulted you at all? If you have nothing to contribute, then why post at all? You have not even attempt understand Chinese point of view too, and I am explaining it to hopefully prevent war from erupting. +dibyendust Chinese diplomats have engaged with India many times, and even notified India ahead of our activities in the region. One of our requests was for Indians army to withdraw its troops from our territory is all, yet you still claim China has war frenzy? +Aurora Hawk We don't want war, and would prefer peaceful dialogue instead. Better to to talk things out peacefully, instead of resort to violence. It is other people that childishly joke about war and nuclear weapons.
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  13108. +nn bhardwaj What is purpose of building roads southeast of China? That region already has plenty of roads and railways, so whats the need to connect them further? On the other hand, poorer regions in Western China often lack access to rest of China's prosperity, so why not develop those area instead? Bhutan only claims that territory, but has not yet produced any evidence to support its claim to that Donglong at all. So because Bhutan claim our lands, means we aren't allowed to build roads in our territory? +ANUPAM RASTOGI According to that link, it uses Google Earth to define borders of China, India and Bhutan, but how is Google Earth any more accurate at defining boundaries than Chinese maps? Which country in the world can claim territories using Google Earth as evidence? It is just a program that can be updated by anyone to suit their needs, but who uses it politically in territorial dispute? What is known, is that China occupied Donglong for years, despite Bhutan claiming it. Both our countries have signed agreements in 1988 and 1998 to maintain the status quo. Donglong was under Chinese control before, and now, Donglong remains under Chinese control, so how has the status quo been broken at all? Bhutan never did control Donglong, despite claiming it as part of Bhutan. It should also be noted, that China has explored various diplomatic channels to resolve the issue, but India has so far, shown a non-negotiation attitude. Even in this video, Chinese government strives for peaceful resolution to the issue, but Indian government has not said much. There has been 13 official statements by Chinese government, while Indian government has only 3 official statements, implying a lack of willingness to negotiate. But at least I am glad you appreciate our efforts in other countries. Of course China has an agenda for developing those nations (which country in world doesn't?) but I would like to stress that we are offering infrastructural development to those countries. I am proud of my culture of course, as are many Indian people proud of theirs as well. CPEC issues ultimately boils down to territorial dispute between Pakistan and India. Chinese workers simply are building roads in POK, and China does not claim POK as part of China. When the projects are complete, Chinese workers will vacate the area and leave it to Pakistan (or whoever the real owner is) In my opinion, it would be best if Pakistan and India could mend their issues and settle their differences, so that the whole region can progress smoothly. China only "blocks" India's entry into NSG, possibly because of Pakistan. Like I mentioned above, China and India would possibly face less conflicts, if Pakistan and India were on better terms. Even as UNSC member, we have hardly used veto power and interfered with affairs of other countries. Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Security_Council_veto_power#Most_common_users
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  13109. +ANUPAM RASTOGI How is constructing road considered disturbing the status quo? Donglong has always been under China's control, so building roads there suddenly changes the status quo and disturbs the peace? Are you implying Indians sending their troops into Chinese territory is not considered disturbing the peace at all? China also wants peace and tranquility in Donglong, which is why there have been repeated requests for Indian soldiers to withdraw from the area. If India have nothing against CPEC, then Chinese workers should be allowed to develop Pakistan according to terms of CPEC. Why going through POK considered unnecessary aggression? Chinese workers are only there temporary to build roads, and they will withdraw once the project is complete. Chinese government using Indian's non-NPT is merely as an excuse, since Pakistan is also non-NPT, yet the government is supporting Pakistan's entry into NSG, but not India's. The reason therefore, has to be because Pakistan is against India's entry. There are few possible ways for India to enter NSG. 1. Pakistan and India mend relations, until Pakistan gives China the green light to approve India's entry to NSG. 2. India waits until China completes CPEC and therefore doesn't depend too much on Pakistan anymore, and allow India's entry into NSG. 3. India, somehow, shows that it a much more valuable ally to China, than Pakistan. Then Chinese government could possibly approve of India's entry into NSG. This may sound cold and political, but that is how the government works. There is no place for kindness in field of international politics. China has been ever suspicious of India ever since PM Nehru granted asylum to 14th Dalai Lama after he fled from Tibet, which could have drove the government to Pakistan. +Sam D China does not run charity, which is why the government expects to recover the initial investment and to profit from additional interest. Which bank in world, doesn't make money from charging interest for its loans? Sri Lanka and other poor countries probably tried getting loans from IMF or World Bank, but either the loans aren't approved, or the loan amount is insufficient for proper economic development. China is taking a huge risk here, investing in these poorer countries with unstable government countries for long term. So of course, Chinese banks have to cover the risk involved to make the investment worthwhile. How do you know if Sri Lanka would not be able to pay off its loans in future? Once the Maritime Silk Road is complete, it is expected that more ships will call upon Sri Lankan Harbor, and its economy will improve. What is the purpose of these developments at all, if not to improve the country's economy? It may take 20 years or more to pay off the loan, but it will eventually be paid, and the port and infrastructure will belong to their owners. If you want successful examples, then it would be China's investments in Africa. China has built many new roads, railways, schools, hospitals, shopping centers and telecommunication projects. In Algeria, there is 1,000 km freeway built by Chinese workers. In Angola there is Benguela Railway, and in Djibouti there is newly completed railway to replace the old one.
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  13110. +Ashish Bagade It was Indian's troops that entered Chinese territory, yet you want PLA get out when Indian government constantly ignore Chinese government requests to withdraw? +dibyendust This thread started by me, so what's wrong with me commenting here? 1. The video itself already reports Chinese government's adherence to peaceful resolution of the situation. At the 0.17 mark, it says "China urged India to immediately pull back the trespassing troops to Indian side of the boundary and call upon them to swiftly address the situation in a proper manner to restore peace and tranquility in border region" If the Indian MEA and spokesperson and Foreign minister made it very clear that it is bilateral issue, then why are Indian troops inteferring with Bhutan-China issue at all? 2. What has China's support of Pakistan and CPEC got to do with Bhutan-China-India issue? If India is so against CPEC roads in POK, then why don't India send its troops over to POK and obstruct road construction there, like what it is doing here in Donglong? 3. How is this a ploy? China is issuing official statements to reduce tensions, but Indian troops are present in Chinese territory. Are you people really so eager for war and for Indian Army and PLA troops to die over this dispute? 4. I have never claimed that every Chinese investment is going to be completely successful. Chinese investments has had some successes and some failures, but the fact remains that Sri Lanka now has a port in its city. Whether the port change ownership, the port is still physically located in Sri Lanka, so how is it a bad thing for Sri Lankan economy? 5. China imports manpower, machinery and cement to Pakistan because Pakistan is unable to produce enough engineers for itself. Pakistan plans to train more engineers to slowly take over CPEC Chinese engineers in future, and is also planning to double its cement production to meet the demands of CPEC. According to your source, Chinese companies are only "renting the land" to develop it by building hydroelectric powerplants there. What has Japan and South China Sea got to do with this issue now? Japan does not claim any of the South China Sea Islands, so what is your point here? The tension was generated when Indian troops entered Chinese territory, so how do you expect tensions to simmer down when it due to presence of Indian troops? The government has made repeated requests for Indian troops to withdraw to promote stability in that region. India has also taken in 14th Dalai Lama, which killed many Chinese during the 1959 uprising. How is the deaths of Indians justified here, but not the deaths of Chinese? +Sam D If you say China controlled by Pakistan, then isn't India controlled by Bhutan by sending its troops into Chinese territory? So World Bank disapprove loans to Pakistan, means Pakistan should forever remain poor and undeveloped? Pakistan has terrorists because its economy is poor and the terrorist ranks are swelling with people unhappy in life. China's approach to terrorism is to build up Pakistan's economy, so that more people find work, instead of joining the terrorists. So after 99 years, the port will still return to Sri Lanka, once the debt is paid off, isn't it? Why are you people so short sighted and only concerned with immediate gains? +ANUPAM RASTOGI Phillipines did not went to ICJ, they went to Permanent Court of Arbitration, which is not an agency of United Nations, so why should China heed the court's decisions? I have so many questions to answer, so who are you to demand answers out of me for simple things you could have researched yourself? Chinese troops still withdrew from Indian territory in the end, but Indian troops haven't withdrew from Chinese territory. If you grant refuge to 14th DL, then you can't expect Chinese government forgive you for that. If India forever provide refuge, the you are bound to antagonize someone along the way. Why don't India provide asylum to US fugitive Edward Snowden who was whistleblower of CIA then, and see if USA doesn't become hostile to you? China was granted permanent membership at UNSC during its creation, and nothing except amendment to UN charter, could ever kick a UNSC permanent off its position. China also one of world's cradle of civilization, with history spanning 5000 years and considered to be one of world's continuous countries still alive today, whereas other civilizations like Rome and Egypt have faded to history. Chinese people also do not want war with India, and the best way to avoid war, is for Indian troops to withdraw from Chinese territory since this is bilateral issue between Bhutan and China. India can always participate as neutral observer, without actively supporting any side in this dispute.
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  13132.  @TheFivegoodemperors  China actually helped Vietnam gain independence from France. During the First Indochina War, China supplied and provided the Việt Minh guerrilla forces with almost every kind of crucial and important supplies and material required, such as food (including thousands of tonnes of rice), money, medics and medical aid and supplies, arms and weapons (ranging from artillery guns to rifles and machine-guns), ammunition and explosives and other types of military equipment. 2,000 military advisors from the PRC and the Soviet Union trained the Việt Minh guerrilla forces with the aim of turning it into a full-fledged armed force to fight off their French colonial masters and gain national independence. On top of this, the PRC sent two People's Liberation Army (PLA) artillery battalions to help Vietnam fight for independence from France. Source: First Indochina War wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Indochina_War#China From 1950 to 1954, the Chinese government shipped goods, materials, and medicine worth $43 billion (in 2019 dollars) to Vietnam. From 1950 to 1956, the Chinese government had also shipped 155,000 small arms, 58 million rounds of ammunition, 4,630 artillery pieces, 1,080,000 artillery shells, 840,000 hand grenades, 1,400,000 uniforms, 1,200 vehicles, 14,000 tons of food, and 26,000 tons of fuel to Vietnam. Yet, some Vietnamese nationalists seemed to have conveniently forgotten China's aid to Vietnam during their independence and some even claimed that Vietnamese liberated themselves from France all by themselves.
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  13177. +Captain Midnight If you claim Japanese people are anti-war, then why their PM Shinzo Abe visit the Yasukuni Warshrine memorial, where Class-A Japanese war criminals are housed, in order to pay their respects to their ancestors? Japanese have also modified their historical textbooks to leave out gruesome details of their atrocities in order to "whitewash" their history as shown in this link en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_history_textbook_controversies What atrocities are Chinese government committing now that rivals that of Japan during WW2? China don't invade your countries to rape your women, unlike what Japan did during WW2. Ethnic minority groups in China actually treated better than Han Chinese, because they aren't subject to One-Child Policy, and can have as many kids of their own. As ethnic minorities, they enjoy special tax exemptions, healthcare and educational bursaries. For example, if qualifying for higher education, if Han Chinese need say 500 points to qualify, ethnic minority (like Tibetan, Uighur, Mongolian, etc) need only 300 points (easier to qualify) for the same course as Han Chinese. Do you actually watch any Chinese movies to know what you are talking about? There are also Chinese movies which portray Japan in positive light. For example, in Lou Ye's Purple Butterfly 紫蝴蝶 in 2003, there is a romance between Chinese girl and Japanese student in Japanese controlled Manchukuo. In Jet Li's 2006 Huo Yuanjia 霍元甲 there is an honorable Japanese samurai, who realizes that his superiors had poisoned Huo Yuanjia and called out on their treachery. Why are you acting like all Chinese films portray Japanese as the devil?
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  13178. +Captain Midnight Those Monks are involved in political separatist movement masterminded by Dalai Lama, who is using these monks to support his political cause while he is in exile in India. People like Labrang Jigme also exaggerate their torture, such as saying he was "beaten" up for 2 days, but look at him and do you see any visible bruises on his body? Or is he making up propaganda for Westerners to wield against China? He also doesn't represent what every Tibetan think of Chinese government. Chinese government only relocate Tibetans because their old houses were extremely backward, lacking facilities like plumbing, electricity and gas, so the government renovate those houses to modernize them and make living more comfortable for Tibetans. Monasteries may have been destroyed during Cultural Revolution, but the communist party has long admitted to Mao's adverse policies and begin rebuilding the Tibetan monasteries destroyed during the revolution. The Monasteries also serve as tourist attractions, and because of this, Tibet has a growing tourist industry, thanks to the Qinghai railway built to connect the normally isolated Tibet to the rest of the world. Tibet is open for tourism today and not isolated from the rest of the world, thanks to Qinghai railway. Only Tibetan's suspected of being separatists have their passport revoked, but otherwise, Tibetans can travel to India on pilgrimage to see the 14th Dalai Lama. There are also Tibetan students studying abroad, in countries like South Korea and Japan as part of exchange program between our countries.
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  13362.  @kirakamu9246  Chairman Mao Zedong is the founding father of the People's Republic of China 🇨🇳. Mao and the communists had succeeded in reunifying our divided country, where the previous Nationalist Kuomintang failed under the Republic of China 🇹🇼 (1912-1949) for 37 years. It was during Chinese Civil War, so of course Chinese were killing Chinese. Just like during the American Civil War, Americans were killing Americans. Or Vietnamese killing Vietnamese during Vietnam War. Or Koreans during Korean War or any civil war for that matter. When Dr Sun Yatsen overthrew the previous Qing Dynasty China and established "democratic" Republic of China (1912-1949) China was divided into several areas, we lost control of Tibet, and various warlords ruled different parts of China and even Japan invaded China twice during this weak period of Chinese history. Dr. Sun tried to get help from the Western powers, but they laughed at the thought of China copying their democracy. They even gave away the Shandong province (which had been occupied by the Germans during WWI) to Japan, instead of returning it to China (even when China was part of the Allies during WWI). In the end, Dr. Sun died without ever realising a unified China under democracy. But then Mao Zedong came along, and he accomplished what the ROC could not, and reunifed China under communism, proclaiming the People's Republic of China in 1949 and Tibet was finally returned back to China in 1951. If not for Mao Zedong, China today would still be weak and divided country, fighting among ourselves, instead of the strong unified country we are today.
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  13536. Nick Sanfilippo I agree with most of your points regarding Taiwan's history, but I would also like to point out that the Dutch also only controlled a small portion of Taiwan like the Chinese and Qing dynasty China was perhaps, the first to formally incorporate Taiwan as a prefecture of China. Taiwan's first inhabitants were indeed the aboriginals, but I would say Chinese culture greatly influenced them throughout the course of history. Japanese, Dutch and other countries also influenced their lives undeniably, but perhaps to a lesser degree. Singapore and Malaysia were never a part of Qing dynasty China, so the Chinese government does not claim what rightfully does not belong to China. PRC may not have contributed to Taiwan's nation building at all, but I could also say North and South Koreas were built by different Korean government, but in the end, they were still two halves of once unified Korea. Its the same with PRC and ROC, they were built by different governments but were once part of Qing dynasty China. You are correct in that the communists and KMT had little foreign intervention during Chinese civil war, except at the last crucial part, when the government was poised to reclaim Taiwan but were prevented from doing so by the sudden presence of US aircraft carriers. President Truman had ordered the US Navy into the straits of Taiwan, effectively preventing the unification of China. You call communists the red scourge, but bear in mind that Chinese people merely wanted the unification of China. I could also say the same for the Viet Cong (North Vietnamese) and North Koreans as well. These people were only fighting to unify a country that shouldn't have been divided in the first place.
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  13560. +Tao Liu I agree that a big population requires better control over the people. Qing’s army consisted of poorly trained Han conscripts who resented Manchu rule and the British had vastly superior firearms, ships etc. However, modern PRC is much different from Qing dynasty. The PLA is trained, well-equiped modern army loyal to the CPC. China’s food source could be disrupted by war, which is why every country has emergency stockpile in case of war or disaster. China has been stockpiling rice, iron ore, barrels of oil and various other supplies. I mentioned 80% of weapons being manufactured indigenously not stockpiled, but I agree that it is not perfect and the shortfall would have to come out from allies like Pakistan. US can enforce a naval blockade, but China also does business with many other inland countries unless the US can enforce sanctions against it. Aircraft, ships and tanks take a long time to build, but China is known as the manufacturing hub of the world. China has entire manufacturing cities like Shenzhen that cater quite exclusively to building products. The CPC just needs an efficient organization of manpower to make full use of it. China also has experience in building infrastructure (which is why they build roads in Africa) so it depends on how well the US can disrupt the transport system. China’s navy is inferior, but it can make use of defensive outposts along the South China Sea as bases to support its navy and air force. Some bases have anti-aircraft gun emplacements and surface to air missiles. There are airstrips for military craft to land and refuel if needed. As for war support, I agree that it depends on how PRC’s actions are perceived. Another thing to note is that China and US economies are linked. Cutting economic ties with China would result in increased prices of products in the US, which would affect the normal livelihood of people each day. Under CPC, the whole Chinese population is ultilised for war, being assigned to factories, growing food etc. As for launching attacks, PRC’s best choice would be Taiwan. This is because PLA has already trained extensively in exercises involving an invasion of Taiwan, so it won’t take years to prepare. US may be able to send carriers to the region but I still believe the video is biased in favour of the US. Aircraft carriers are powerful, but they are vulnerable to things like a sneaky submarine torpedo or anti carrier missile. If I was a Chinese general, I would focus on sending submarines and bombers to take out the aircraft carriers because they represent the morale of the US. As for cruise missiles, China has many, many missiles pointed at Taiwan. It would be foolish to think that PRC invested so much money into these weapons without a reliable tracking system. I don’t claim to be a military expert. PRC may succeed in some areas and lose in other areas that I mentioned above. Strictly speaking, no video in Youtube will ever show PRC winning against the US because such an outcome is simply not acceptable by netizens and will only anger them and result in less views. In real life, mistakes can happen on both sides and ultimately, it depends on the number of victories and losses from both sides.
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  13561. +Tao Liu I brought up the Qing dynasty in order to compare it’s army with the PLA. PLA may not be as advanced as the US, but it is still a modern army, not WW2 era. I was focusing on PLA’s attributes like loyalty to CPC and so on, not on the numbers. The US air force and Navy are indeed massive, but remember they are limited by the time it takes to deploy them to the warzone. About 40% of US navy assets are deployed in Asia, while China has close to 100% of its navy ready. In the Gulf War, the Iraq Army had more combat experience than PLA but perhaps not more sophisticated equipment. The war in Kuwait was perhaps US last known successful war, but the next wars were not so successful strategically. The US Army is equipped with all the best and latest gear they can be stymied by lightly armed insurgents that fight with their hearts not with hardware in the battles following the Gulf War. In a war, trade is risky because of possible sabotage and China will seek alternatives to naval trade. You look down on Chinese infrastructure capability but China can build roads and railways if needed during war time. During WW2, the Chinese helped build roads like Ledo road that allow supplies to enter from the West because the naval routes were blocked off. China already has a railroad linking to Russia. Russia may choose to remain neutral to the war, but it has a history of supplying weapons to countries in conflict with the US. In a war of attrition, China has self-sufficiency in food production, emergency stockpiles, 80% home manufactured weapons and possible inflow of weapons from Russia. So how much more prepared can China get? Regarding China’s manufacturing, China not only manufactures low quality products but also technology like vehicles and high speed railway trains. China’s automotive industry churns out more vehicles than the US (Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Automotive_industry#By_country) and China has the most expansive and complex high speed railway in the world. China even has hi speed rail projects in the UK to help them connect the country together. As for global arms sales, they do not reflect a country’s ability to manufacture arms for itself during war. China’s airstrip is only one of many that are possibly being built. China can quickly establish more bases in the region if needed, as shown them overtaking other bases built by other nations in the region. They may not cover the whole sea, but the SAMs and gun emplacement provide strategic cover in that region to support China’s navy. PLA has been planning possible retaking of Taiwan for many years already. PLA has many training exercises simulating an invasion of Taiwan so I doubt it would take as long as a month to prepare. PRC knows time is of the essence in this war with the US. Examples like PRC landing only 2 brigades of troops are only speculation and we won’t know how capable PLA is on invading Taiwan and how much of its forces is it willing to deploy. PRC is capitalist, but during war, the whole country literally goes to war. Chinese has this saying that translates to “Can there be a home without a country?” Chinese people know what’s at stake if they allow the US to land on Chinese soil, as all their hard work building the nation will be destroyed. Sure, some may choose to escape, but CPC would be extremely harsh on them. You can look down on Chinese submarines, but they have shown the ability to stalk US carriers a number of times from the following sources. http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2006/nov/13/20061113-121539-3317r/ http://www.popularmechanics.com/military/navy-ships/news/a18094/a-chinese-submarine-stalked-an-american-aircraft-carrier/ The submarines have demonstrated an ability to surface within torpedo range undetected from the carrier and its escorts. Sorry, but you can’t convince me that PRC’s 1000+ missiles pointed at Taiwan are all unreliable. Why would the PRC spend so much money on the missiles and train PLA in Taiwan retaking exercises if they weren’t going to deploy them at all? I’ve already said that no Youtube video will ever show China winning because nobody will think it will. In this video alone, there is hardly any reference to what China’s navy is doing. There is no point constantly telling me to refer to this video alone. You have to rely on other sources outside and make your own decision.
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  13562. +Tao Liu The Gulf war was fought by a coalition but this time US may not have the same allies. Japan, S.Korea and Taiwan are China’s biggest traders after the US. For NATO allies to support they would have to go by land, through the Iraq, Iran and possibly Russia. And I keep saying “modern” because it PLA is modern, no use denying it. 40% of US navy is based on size not tonnage. US navy tonnage is unequally distributed so why would it be a comparison? If you want to compare tonnage then you should look at the locations of the aircraft carriers in the world . Why can’t PLA be both conventional and guerrilla? PLA was formed from the Communist forces fighting the Japanese and made use of guerrilla tactics to defeat the Japanese. With its size, it doesn’t need to resort to guerrilla warfare, but that does not mean it won’t use it if needed. If you want to compare conventional warfare, then the Korean war would suffice. China and US and its allies were facing off in a conventional warfare and the US were stymied and unable to achieve complete victory. You still look down on Chinese infrastructural capacity and I had already given examples of China during WW2 had no naval trade because of Japanese navy, but still built roads to receive supplies from allies. Back then China’s infrastructure was poor but now it is among the most well-connected in the world so the roads and railroads now would be much better. China has great experience building railroads and is even helping South Africa with roads so why is China’s infrastructure building so looked down upon? So if China has poor harvest in one year, it would draw upon its stockpile. If the harvest was good, there is no need to take from the stockpile and if possible, it could even store the surplus. Why do you separate these two activities from each other when China can make use of both? After US bombings, China is not stupid and will also repair the broken infrastructure. In China alone there are many, many paths to destroy so even if one road is inaccessible, China could rely on other paths to transport supplies. Like it or not, China produce 80% of its arms locally and can even import arms through landlines from Russia. Like I said, Russia may not participate in the war, but even during WW2, the Soviets and Nazis traded with each other secretly so why won’t they do the same with China? And I’ve already said what has China’s arms exports got to do with being able to produce enough locally? The fact that nations buy the weapons already shows that they aren’t of low quality. And you underestimate Chinese island building. Why then is the world so alarmed at Chinese base building? Vietnam and Philippines had bases there long before China but China’s base building is the only one in the news. Is it because of the speed it was built? The SAM and gun emplacements are only there to support the PLA N strategically in the South China Sea. PLA N is still the main fighting force. PRC’s preparation of invasion of Taiwan should not be underestimated. It will take time but PRC leaders know time is of the essence here, with the US looming on the horizon. PRC doesn’t have many amphibious assaults vehicles because Taiwan is within range of its missiles so it would most likely use ballistic missiles to soften up targets. PRC may not even use a land invasion force and will only send the PLA through air or even by sea to occupy Taiwan once the defences are down. The US civilians can prepare for war, but will the entire population support the war? US has a history of losing wars because its civilians want out of the war. Stalking still means that the Chinese submarine was able to keep pace with the Carrier. The point is also whether the US ships were able to detect the submarine before it surfaced within torpedo range. Also, which submarine travels slowly while exposed to the surface during war time? Most Chinese like it when people look down on its military capabilities. This is because of according to Sun Zi’s Art of war, you should let the army think you are weak, and let arrogance be their downfall.
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  13598. +skywalker jake. From my history about POK, Jammu and Kashmir was a princely state that was not originally part of either India or Pakistan. After the partitioning of India, J & K was reluctant to join either side and wanted to remain independent, but Pakistan invaded it. The leader was technically forced to either join India, or fend off the invaders on their own, so they joined India under pressure so that the Indian army will repel the intruders. But the "liberation" did not happen, which is why POK exists till today. POK has existed for almost 70 years (as old as Pakistan as a nation) and Indian government has made almost no attempt to claim POK for India. So how important is J & K to India? It is your territory by agreement, but India has not tried to reclaim it. This is just a brief summary of the history though. Like I mentioned, other regional neighbors have recognized the benefits CPEC has on Pakistan and the surrounding region. Afghanistan wants to play a role in CPEC (dawn(dot)com/news/1289978) and so does Iran (dawn(dot)com/news/1285404). China vetoing mashood is only at Pakistan's request and China doesn't really care about Mashood, but we do care about our relationship to Pakistan. Just like I mentioned China doesn't care about POK or claiming POK as its own, we are just doing business there according to CPEC and when we are done, we will leave and the benefits of the infrastructure, pipelines and so on all go to the owner of the land, not China. In summary, most of India's problems with China lie with Pakistan. For China-India relationship to truly progress, India would have to mend its broken relations with Pakistan. Don't blame China for problems that have been occurring between Pakistan and India for decades. We are just trying to develop the region and don't really care about geo-politcial issues between other countries.
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  13599. +skywalker jake Of course, China also benefits from this deal. We are running a business here, not a charity. CPEC is also expected to boost China's economy through supplying of cement and steel, as well as Chinese engineers being sent over to construct the infrastructure. But like I said, the finished buildings and infrastructure belongs to the owner of the lands, which is currently held by Pakistan. China will have trade access to Gawadar port, but will have to pay Pakistan for the use of the railway, and Pakistan can generate profit through the high volume of traffic of goods. CPEC has risks from terrorism and sabotage no doubt, but it is a risk that both Pakistan and China (actually, more risky for China) are willing to take to lay the foundation for improved economic relations in the region. Iran and Afghan may or may not join CPEC, but if the lines and railroads are running smoothly and without terrorist incident, then sooner or later, they might want to get involved. If the CPEC becomes a vital artery of Pakistan, then their government may finally become more strict on their terrorist crackdowns, since now it involves their vital trade route. Like I said, vetoing and protecting the terrorist is a politically motivated move by China to support Pakistan. China is not well known for using veto on UN decisions as China has used the least number of vetos (11 times)as a permanent member of UN, compared to US (70+ times) and Russia (100+ times). Clearly, China doesn't really interfere in international politics, and mostly uses veto for Pakistan's sake. So it all boils down to the relationship between India and Pakistan. If India wants that terrorist, India should get on Pakistan's good side, so that Pakistan would give China the green light not to veto and so on. India and Pakistan's relations may have deeply frayed, but hopefully economic ties would mend the relation between India and Pakistan. It is not impossible, as Germany and Britain have long made up since WW2 and their economies are as strong as ever. China has also privately advised Pakistan to tone down its hostility against India and work together for mutual benefit. Anyway, like you said, we are just two random people. But at least, we should look towards the future. Pakistan is going to be our neighbor for a long time in the foreseeable future, so shouldn't we work together instead of cause instability to the region? How long will India and Pakistan continue to fight each other? CPEC at least is an attempt to improve trade and relations in the region and future generations of Pakistanis, Chinese and maybe even Indian people will benefit from the project.
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  13600. +skywalker jake I understand that, as allies of USA, India will follow Western mindset towards terrorism, which is to use force against force. But that only solve the problem temporarily, and soon, another organization like ISIS will take up the mantle against US and other nations once again. This is short term solution and forms endless cycle. Terrorism tend to take place in impoverished regions, so Chinese approach is different. We help develop the country infrastructure and economy first, helping to destroy the breeding ground for terrorism to grow from. That's why China has One Road, One Belt initiative, helping connect the poorer countries and CPEC is one of the first steps. Yes, Pakistan is taking a loan, and also the building materials and engineers come from China, stimulating China's business. But once the projects are complete, Pakistan will generate revenue through high volume of traffic of the railroads and pipeline, and slowly repay the loan. It may take many years like 10-30 years (my random estimate), but it will eventually be repaid. I've already gave many reasons for China's vetoing. It's Pakistan's idea, and China is uninterested in India-Pakistan politics and only interested in completing CPEC. I could also say that India has been harboring 14th Dalai Lama who is wanted by Chinese authorities since 1959. Talking to the Chinese government won't do India any good and India would have to take up this issue with Pakistan. And no, I'm not a Buddhist, I am atheist/agnostic but I follow the traditional Chinese culture like worshiping my grandparents and so on.
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  13601. +skywalker jake Regarding the international resolution to Philippines and China, it was conducted by Permanent Court of Arbitration, which is not an agency of UN so how can it be termed international? China reserves the right not to accept the court's resolution since it is not UN. I already said that China is only building on those disputed territory, but not claiming POK as part of China. Why repeat the same old points? It could have easily been Pakistani engineers instead of Chinese working and would it have made any difference? If India was so concerned about the Kashmir locals, then shouldn't India have liberated POK long ago instead of leaving it for about 70 years? (about as old as Pakistan) Its alright if you don't share Chinese views about terrorism but do you have to be so rude about it? USA has been trying to solve the problem of terrorism for decades to no avail, so why not try an alternative approach? When countries are linked together by railroad and trade, will terrorists be so radical as to destroy their own country's economy? Will the government of the country tolerate terrorists disrupting their own life artery? Terrorist recruit from poor and impoverish families to join in their ideologies. Increase economic trade and jobs will reduce the number of available people for terrorist to recruit, so yes, in a sense its all about money. Regarding Dalai Lama, Chinese government has been requesting his handover from India since 1959, but India has refused for 50 years, so now India complains when China vetos Azhar in 2016-2017? Why do some Indians only think of themselves only and that they are always right? Can't Indians see from a perspective outside of their own? How are they going to get along with neighbors in the future? Just because you don't share my same views doesn't mean you have to call my thinking delusional and so on. We won't know whether CPEC reducing terrorism works or not until it is complete in the future and unless we try, we will never get to the future.
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  13603. +skywalker jake I don't know why you keep bringing up those same few points. Does China claim POK as its own? No. but we are there to build infrastructure according to CPEC so we have no choice but to be there to help Pakistan build it according to CPEC. The primary issue is still between Pakistan and India to settle. China is not the only selling weapons to Pakistan, USA has been selling weapons and missiles to Pakistan for decades, so why doesn't India complain to USA too? Since India recognize Pakistan as an independent state, then our interactions with Pakistan is a bilateral relation between sovereign countries. India also supported Bangladesh in its independence war from Pakistan, despite it primarily being a internal civil war fought within Pakistan. The Indian intelligence agency collaborated with Indian Army and began training a Bengali guerilla outfit called the Mukti Bahini. In international terms, this could be considered interfering in a civil war so that war was not really imposed upon India. The war resulted in Pakistan losing more of its territory which could be a reason why Pakistan saw India's involvement as a hostile act. As for the Dalai Lama winning a Nobel peace prize, Obama also won the prize, despite involving America in another war so whats the point of peace? The 14th Dalai Lama has already been exposed as working with CIA in separatists attempts from China (Wikipedia: CIA Tibetan program). Quoted from Wikipedia, the 14th Dalai Lama criticized the CIA for supporting the Tibetan independence movement "not because they cared about Tibetan independence, but as part of their worldwide efforts to destabilize all communist governments". The Dalai Lama also claimed that the CIA Tibetan program had been harmful for Tibet because it was primarily aimed at serving American interests, and "once the American policy toward China changed, they stopped their help" This is supported by the fact that once President Nixon visited China and opened China's market to the world, USA stopped caring about Tibetan independence. Today, USA as part of UN, recognises China's sovereignty over Tibet. Back to India and Pakistan. You have a right to defend India's view but what's wrong with looking at the views of other countries? How is India going to mend its relations with Pakistan if it constantly looks out for itself only? China may appear outward to chase money only, but at least we are contributing to build the world economy. Its alright if you say my views on terrorism are naive, but how else does India propose to solve the problem of terrorism? Using force like USA? Wasn't ISIS a product of wars in the Middle East?
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  13681. +Pauly Love All day I am glad you found my post useful. Yes it is true that China usually drag our foot regarding imposing sanctions on NK, but the most recent plans were executed rather quickly, especially after the Trump-Xi meeting. It is possible that these initiatives were planned ahead, and executed at the precise moment when it would benefit China. The Chinese government knows we are slowly losing influence over NK, as previous NK leader, Kim Jung Il (current leader's father) was frequent visitor to China, but Kim Jung Un (current leader) has not visited China at all since coming into power. We need to do something to re-exert our influence, but we also mustn't appear too aggressive in our initiatives. So we disguise our approach, by making the plans coincide with after the US meeting, to deflect blame from China. From what Trump has said, it appears that China may have also benefited by the promise of better trade deals with USA. Timing is extremely important when implementing new policies. For example, Trump implementing the Muslim ban from Middle East countries met with fierce negative response from many people. However, if let's say Trump implement this policy only after a terrorist attack (whether in US or somewhere else) then maybe (just maybe) he could have gotten a better response, and possibly better support for his policy. It may be cold-hearted, but its the dirty part of politics. Trump implementing his policy at the wrong time could result in lesser support for it.
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  13688. +tk42missing Comparing China to American and British is like comparing apple to orange. Why assume that Chinese will follow in same footstep as those countries? Our mindset and Western mindsets are fundamentally different. For example, religion in the West tends to be absolutes; You are either Christian or Muslim and will wage Crusade of Jihad to wipe each other out. But in China, many different religions coexist relatively peacefully together. Chinese can choose to follow Taoism, Buddhism, even Islam and Christianity or even mixed religion. China is even expected to have the world's largest Christian population by 2025, despite being officially atheist. Britain and American have reached such a state, because, in my own opinion, there is a lack of competition from other countries. Britain still has Germany to be its rival, but USA no longer has Soviet Union to keep it on its toes. NASA used to plan missions to the moon but has stopped for 40 years because of lack of funding, and also lack of Soviet competition. Hopefully China's recent moon landings will spur NASA back to plan more moon missions. +EvolutionismAnti-Science Lie Its extremely difficult to debunk the theory of evolution, since it has already been well-established. But WW2 examples of what Japanese did to us, and what German Nazis did to Jews is not what evolution is about. That is Fascism, the belief of racial superiority over other races, not evolution. It is only become evolution in the sense, if Japanese succeeded in wiping us Chinese off the face of the planet or if the Nazis managed to do the same thing to Jews. Otherwise, it is not evolution.
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  13729.  @rebelmango2141  Given part of the story? What's the entire story then? You yourself only choose to see half of the story from the Ukrainian side, while dismissing everything from the Russian side. Putin has stated that he considers Russians, Ukrainians and Belarussians as one people, namely the descendants of ancient Rus. And his words are true, because many Russians have family in Ukraine, just like many Ukrainians have family in Russia. Taken together, Ukrainian and Russian culture share far more similarities than differences. This whole conflict began with the 2014 Maidan Revolution (orchestrated by the US) which ousted the Ukrainian President Yanukovych from power illegally, and installed a US pupet government in Ukraine, which then made plans for Ukraine to join NATO. NATO was formed initially in response to the Soviet Union's military might, but even after the USSR's dissolution in 1990s, NATO kept on expanding eastwards right up to Russia's doorstep. Russia will not tolerate Ukraine joining NATO, as it poses an existential crisis to Russia. (Much like the US did not tolerate Soviet missiles being deployed to Cuba in 1962.) Had Ukraine chosen to remain a neutral country, maintaining relations with both Russia and the West, then it's highly likely the conflict in Ukraine won't be happening today. But time and time again, Russia's concerns were ignored by the West, and after realizing that for decades his words had fallen on deaf ears in the West, Putin had no choice but to launch the special military operation.
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  14011.  @abhijitsen2197  "神州 Shenzhou what you are claiming is true, but please find out if your railway project is making profits," That's because of socialist policies to keep our train fares low and affordable to the masses, that's why our railway companies are not turning a profit at the moment. Capitalism seeks to extract a profit from workers and customers, but socialism aims to make life better for the people. Look at the rich capitalist Western countries like in United Kingdom for example, the subway fare in London (London Underground) is quite expensive for London commuters because the companies need to make profits. You said: "if sealink to Hongkong is being used as projected," The Hong Kong-Zhuhai-Macau Bridge is a long term project to connect those 3 major cities on the Pearl River Delta, and the usage of the bridge peaked in May 2019 with a flow of 148,546 vehicles*, while December 2018 saw the highest number of passenger trips – *2,217,855 – via the Hong Kong port, so what makes you think the bridge is not being utilized? You said: "tourism have failed last three years," Tourism failed everywhere for the last three years because of the pandemic, yet why do you single out China? You said: "out of country projects like Cpak in Pakistan" The China-Pakistan Economic Corridor (CPEC) has generated around 75,000 jobs for locals in Pakistan. Chinese labor makes only 17.5% of the total number of labor currently working on CPEC while 82.5% labor included Pakistani citizens. So how is CPEC a failure?
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  14012.  @abhijitsen2197  "神州 Shenzhou learn how to live with freedom, learn how a free mind thinks," What makes you think Chinese people aren't free? Chinese are free to travel overseas for work, study or play. I mean, before 2019, everyone has heard of Chinese tourists visiting their lands and spending coin on their tourist industries. Western schools and universities are positively flooded with Chinese international students studying the same topics as their local peers. Chinese companies like Huawei, Xiaomi, DJI, etc, are expanding overseas, whereas you earlier boasted that Indian digital platforms growing at a faster rate than China, but you failed to even name a company from India that compares with Chinese tech firms, then why are you telling China to learn from India? You said: "China is slowly becoming a failed state." Previously China was once a dirt-poor, war-torn, starving in the past, much like India. But fast forward till today and China has since transformed into the world's 2nd largest economy, the world's factory (Made-in-China) having world's 2nd largest R&D spending, protected by world's largest land army, the People's Liberation Army, funded by the world's 2nd largest military expenditure. And it was all achieved under the leadership of the Communist Party of China, so what failed state are you talking about? You said: "learn to find out the true strength of the self. Learn to find the light within you." Ask you this question: Why India followed Western-style democracy, yet they are unable to surpass China under the CPC? India is world's 2nd largest population so your workforce is comparable to China's. Republic of India 🇮🇳 was founded in 1947, 2 years earlier than the founding of the People's Republic of China 🇨🇳 in 1949. Many Indians speak English (preferable for Westerners) whereas many Chinese today still struggle with English. India is Western democracy, China isn't. Yet despite all these advantages, why is India unable to surpass China? You tell me to find the light, but you can't even name any Indian company that compares to Chinese companies, why is that so?
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  14017.  @abhijitsen2197  Numbers were derived from Arabic, and the origins of algebra can be traced to the ancient Babylonians. Besides negative numbers and multiplications tables, Chinese mathematicians also developed the determinant, that's used in matrix multiplication. Determinants were first used in the Chinese mathematics textbook The Nine Chapters on the Mathematical Art 《九章算術》 Chinese scholars, around the 3rd century BCE. Even the Gaussian elimination method in mathematics was invented in China in Chapter Eight: Rectangular Arrays of this book. Chinese astronomers made numerous contributions to mankind's understanding of the heavens above. The Chinese astronomer Geng Shouchang of the Han Dynasty (202 BC – 220 AD) invented the Armillary Sphere (known as celestial globes 渾象) in China in 52 BC, to assist the observation of the stars and in aiding calendrical computations and calculations. The Han dynasty polymath Zhang Heng (78–139 AD) was the first to apply motive power to the rotating armillary sphere by a set of complex gears rotated by a waterwheel which in turn was powered by the constant pressure head of an inflow clepsydra clock, the latter of which he improved with an extra compensating tank between the reservoir and the inflow vessel. Yet you claim China is "only being number one in population with no contribution"? Also, Gautama Buddha himself was born in Nepal (Lumbini), not India. China has 5,000 years of history and is among the world's oldest "continuous" civilization still alive today, whereas other ancient civilizations like Egypt, Mesopotamia and even Rome has succumbed to history.
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  14023.  @abhijitsen2197  Much of the Indus Valley Civilization is located in modern day Pakistan (which India has recognized as being a separate country from themselves) so you're praising that the ancient Pakistani were cultured and advanced? Then Pakistan has much to be proud of the Indus Valley civilization, which is part of their history after all. Like Pakistan, China has thousands of years of history and employed advanced drainage systems. -The latest archaeological discoveries found that the Chinese used drainage system in urban areas at least 2,200 years ago, since the discovery of a 2,200-year old sewage system in Xi’an, Shaanxi Province, the capital city of Qin Dynasty (221 BC – 206 BC). -A section of a sewage pipe in the photo was discovered when Chinese archaeologists unearthed a Han Dynasty (221BC – 206AD) city site in Chongqing’s Yongchuan District. The remaining area of the ancient city measures about 400,000 sqm. -During the technically most advanced Song Dynasty (960 – 1279), Chongqing had 18 major water stations serving the metropolis’ water supply and drainage needs. -A long-buried Tang Dynasty garden has been excavated in mid-July 2012 in Chengdu at a construction site. The unearthed elements of the more than 1,000-year-old garden include 18 ancient tombs, 1 pond, 1 well, a number of Buddhist statues and ceramics articles, as well as a 90-m long drainage tunnel. The winding drainage was built with bricks, 1,6 m in depth with width vary from about 6 m to less than 1 m. Source: View Of China: Advanced drainage System in the Ancient Beijing
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  14025.  @abhijitsen2197  So it appears we are in agreement that the earliest written script of Sanskrit dates back to around 207 AD, whereas Chinese characters have existed since 1200 BC. Also, Sanskrit today is considered dead language, since it's no longer evolving with the times, and no new words have been added to its vocabulary. Much like other dead languages like Egyptian Hieroglyphs, Sumerian Cuneiform and Latin (used in Roman Empire). Whereas Chinese characters are still widely used today by 1.4 billion people, and is alive and evolving with the times. New characters and new words are being added to Chinese vocabulary as Chinese continue to speak and write, and refine our language. I personally think that it's an achievement for an ancient civilization language to survive to modern times and continue to grow. Also, much of the Indus Valley Civilization lies in Pakistan (a country that India has recognized as being separate from itself). A huge chunk of the Indus River literally flows through Pakistan, so Pakistan has every right to be proud as birthplace of the Indus Valley Civilization. You said: "Do you know that your Chinese traveller took back a elephant and a big load of books, no gold ,silver, diamond nothing. That shows China had many things to learn from India." Correction: from Pakistan not India, since the majority of Indus Valley Civilization lies in Pakistan, and India has long recognized Pakistan as a separate country from India. Just like Gautama Buddha was born in Nepal and Buddhism arrived in China from that country, not from India, where Indian Buddhism is almost non-existent (compared to Hinduism and Islam).
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  14029.  @abhijitsen2197  Indian PM Jawaharlal Nehru had recognised Tibet as part of China then how is Tibet the reason for war? Previously, while Tibet was under Dalai Lama rule, Tibet was a brutal theocracy, where 95% of the population were slaves and the remaining 5% elites were slave owners. Tibetan mountainous soil is infertile, rainfall is scarce in the Himalayas, so the slaves had to work hard to feed the Tibetan population. Starvation was commonplace and theft of food was punished by torture, amputation and even skinning. There's this Tibetan drum called damaru that's made from human skulls, a drumskin made of human skin and drumstick made of human bone. The Dalai Lama was overly worshipped and his followers fought for the right to consume his saliva, his urine and even his feces, because he was considered a divine vessel. After Tibet returned back to China, Chinese workers began rapidly modernising Tibet, building roads, railways, streetlamps, running water, gas and electricity as well as introducing modern amenities like cars, computers, telephone cables, smartphones, the Internet, WiFi, online shopping (from Taobao) and so on. Under CPC, the first Tibetan colleges opened in Lhasa, offering degrees in both Tibetan and Mandarin Chinese languages. Hydroelectric powerstations were built by Chinese to supply Tibetan homes with electricity. Chinese workers built the Qinghai-Lhasa railway (world's highest elevation railway) through dangerous mountainous terrain and low oxygen environments, to connect the normally isolated Tibet with the rest of the world. Tibet can now import food from the mainland to feed its population, and Tibet's population has tripled from 1 million in 1950s to over 3 million people today. A thriving tourist industry has even sprung up in Tibet.
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  14132. Historical Economic Predictions about China: 1990. The Economist: China's economy has come to a halt 1996. The Economist: China's economy will face a hard landing 1998. The Economist: China's economy entering a dangerous period of sluggish growth 1999. Bank of Canada: Likelihood of a hard landing for the Chinese economy 2000. Chicago Tribune: China currency move nails hard landing risk coffin 2001. Wilbanks, Smith & Thomas: A hard landing in China 2002. Westchester University: China Anxiously Seeks a Soft Economic Landing 2003. New York Times: Banking crisis imperils China 2004. The Economist: The great fall of China? 2005. Nouriel Roubini: The Risk of a Hard Landing in China 2006. International Economy: Can China Achieve a Soft Landing? 2007. TIME: Is China's Economy Overheating? Can China avoid a hard landing? 2008. Forbes: Hard Landing In China? 2009. Fortune: China's hard landing. China must find a way to recover 2010: Nouriel Roubini: Hard landing coming in China 2011: Business Insider: A Chinese Hard Landing May Be Closer Than You Think 2012: American Interest: Dismal Economic News from China: A Hard Landing 2013: Zero Hedge: A Hard Landing In China 2014. CNBC: A hard landing in China 2015. Forbes: Congratulations, You Got Yourself A Chinese Hard Landing 2016. The Economist: Hard landing looms for China 2017. National Interest: Is China's Economy Going To Crash? 2018. The Daily Reckoning: China's Coming Financial Meltdown 2019. BBC: China's Economic Slowdown: How worried should we be? 2021 Bloomberg: Chinese economy risks deeper slowdown than markets realize 2022. Bloomberg: China Surprise Data Could Spell R-e-c-e-s-s-i-o-n 2023. Bloomberg: No word should be off-limits to describe China's faltering economy. ... Yet it's already 2024 and China's economy is still going strong.
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  14154.  @quekjoseph836  Singapore has a list more than 100 banned websites, who said you can access any applications in the world? Are you really a Singaporean, when you don't even know about censorship in Singapore? In July 2006, mrbrown's weekly column in newspaper Today was terminated after he highlighted the immediate price hikes after the 2006 Singapore general elections. Prime Minister Lee Hsien Loong said mrbrown's column had ‘‘hit out wildly at the government and in a very mocking and dismissive sort of tone’’ and Minister for Information, Communication and the Arts sent a letter saying his article could undermine national stability, and that it was "not the role of journalists or newspapers in Singapore to champion issues, or campaign for or against the government". That's a prime example of government censorship in Singapore, isn't Singapore's political system similar to China's in this regard? And who says you can't log into Facebook, YouTube and Google while in China? There are many expats in China posting videos of daily life in China, like Gweilo 60, Barrett, Daniel Dumbrill, Nathan Rich, Alex Absolute, JaYoe Nation, and so on. Source: Internet censorship in Singapore wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_censorship_in_Singapore And Singapore been ruled by authoritarian single-party PAP for 55 years just like China has been ruled by CPC for 71 years. What's the point of having an election when you Singaporeans always vote for the PAP? For 55 years? Lastly, even Singapore dissidents like Amos Yee, became a fugitive in Singapore after he criticise Singapore's founder, Lee Kuan Yew, Source: Singaporean teen dissident granted US asylum yahoo.com/news/singaporean-teen-dissident-granted-us-asylum-020859504.html
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  14171. +a b said "in fact the Tienanmen Square protests had started as the funeral of Deng Xiaoping" Deng Xiaoping was still alive at the time of the 1989 Tiananmen Square Incident. In fact, Deng was in charge, and it was he who ordered the People's Liberation Army to quell the protestors. Some PLA troops had refused to open fire upon the unarmed protestors, other troops panicked and fired their guns into the crowds. Some PLA troops refused to fight back, but were mobbed by angry protestors who took their guns and used it against them. In the end, Deng Xiaoping went to his grave without ever admitting to the Tiananmen Incident. It just goes to show that every Chinese leaders made mistakes of some sort, whether it is Dr Sun Yatsen, or Chiang kai-shek or Mao Zedong or Deng Xiaoping, they all made mistakes, because they were clearly human. But it is clear that each Chinese leader had some individual vision of China that they wanted to achieve, and many would claim that they were patriotic. Otherwise, why each of them fight so hard for China's sake? But you people are foreigners to Chinese history, and just treat all Chinese leaders like demons or angels, instead of looking at history from a neutral and purely objective point of view. For example, those Tiananmen Square pro-democracy student protestors, they were still young, idealistic and still studying at that time, living in a enclosed world of education and textbook ideals, and have not yet stepped into the real world of working adults. They haven't yet entered the work force, or get a job, apply for housing and start a family, yet they believe they know how to govern the country at such young age already?
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  14239.  @V01DIORE  "神州 Shenzhou Because they could no longer cover it up as it got too large spread." Covid-19 was spreading in the USA earlier (as shown from U.S CDC testing American blood samples for antibodies) yet the USA didn't report this mysterious pneumonia-like illness to WHO, then how can you claim it got too large to cover up in China? Again, there is no basis to your conspiracy theory of "China Covered It Up" when China clearly first reported the virus to the WHO. "You are being a hypocrite for seeing it right to get Chinese people on CCP order to buy masks before the WHO stating it infectious vs western countries to buy necessary materials for future application because of said Chinese caused virus." Chinese did not start buying masks until the WHO stated human-to-human transmission was confirmed, then how is China to blame when your countries put those masks up for sale? Simply Don't sell masks if you don't want Chinese to buy them, why blame is China to blame for buying masks that we need to contain the Wuhan outbreak? As for buying necessary materials for future application, this is should have been thought out by your own governments, how's China to blame for your Western countries failure to plan ahead? And who said Chinese caused this virus? It was first detected in China but it doesn't necessarily mean China caused it. According to U.S CDC, it was circulating in U.S soil since at least Nov 2019, yet why didn't USA report the emergence of a new coronavirus strain? Instead it was left up to China to detect it?
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  14288. @Cliff Chang "神州 Shenzhou I don't know it's purely ignorant or you're simply selling your soul and promoting propaganda for CCP." How am I ignorant when I quote factual evidence to support my arguments, whereas other people just attack me personally (like you) for my views? Just because my views happen to differ from yours? "Peng Shuai is safe and freedom is guaranteed? So why her weibo is taken down and why is she not participating in any of the international tournaments?" Peng Shuai's 彭帅 Weibo account is still up (I just checked). If you read her original post (or the translation from Reddit) it's apparent that she's had a difficult time emotionally, with a tumultuous, on-and-off affair with a much older man, and now she just wants to lay low for a while until this all blows over, Participating in international tournaments is important yes, but her mental state of mind is far more important than any tournament. Many athletes have taken time off from tournaments, when they've become embroiled in a scandal, and Peng Shuai's previous affair with a much older man is by traditional Chinese standards, still a rather shameful affair which is possibly why she want's her privacy to be respected. "Video shot in China can't prove anything, if I hold you at gun point I can make you say anything I want you to say." Do you see any gun being pointed at Peng Shuai in those video? Especially when she attended the youth awards ceremony? Then why are you making up claims that aren't there? "People has their right to receive all kind of information and use their own judgement to determine it's true or false." People like Peng Shuai also have their rights to personal privacy, yet why is WTA and EU trying to pry into her personal life and demand that she bare her private affairs for all the world to see, instead of respecting her wishes? "Government works for its people, not people work for their government." Chinese government has done a lot for our people, but the same can't be said of many Western democracies. Harvard University and Ash Center recently conducted a survey that revealed around 80-90% of Chinese citizens support the Communist Party of China. A Harvard University survey has found that Chinese citizens' satisfaction with government has increased virtually across the board, with the central authorities receiving the strongest level of approval, increasing from 86 percent to 93 percent between 2003 and 2016, the period of the study.
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  14299. @Cliff Chang You said: "Secondly, a video call cannot verify she is not being controlled, someone could be around her to force her to follow the script." Do you have evidence that she is being controlled? Do you have evidence that someone is around her forcing her to follow the script? Otherwise it's just your speculation that's all. "Thirdly, Peng Shuai is a tennis player and IOC is not a tennis association. If anyone is to verify Peng Shuai's status it should be WTA, not IOC. IOC is doing this just as a show for winter olympic." What has Peng Shuai being a tennis player and even got to do with this? Peng Shuai is also a Chinese citizen then what has the WTA even got to do with her status? I could also say that WTA is politicising sports in order to sabotage the 2022 Beijing Olympics and get more countries to boycott it, isn't this a possible motivation for the WTA? "How do you believe a survey like this to be fair?" Because Chinese people's lives are improving. China was once a dirt-poor, war-torn, starving country in the past, but today, China has since transformed into world's 2nd largest economy, the world's factory (Made in China) having world's 2nd highest R&D spending, protected by world's largest land army, the People's Liberation Army, funded by world's 2nd highest military expenditure. And it's all been achieved under communist party leadership, despite Western anti-Communist propaganda constantly denouncing China's success all along. As long as the communist party can continue to deliver economic growth, many people in China continue to support it. Why is this inconceivable to you?
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  14301. @Ming Previously, while Tibet was under Dalai Lama rule, Tibet was a brutal theocracy, where 95% of the population were slaves and the remaining 5% elites were slave owners. Tibetan mountainous soil is infertile, rainfall is scarce in the Himalayas, so the slaves had to work hard to feed the Tibetan population. Starvation was commonplace and theft of food was punished by torture, amputation and even skinning. There's this Tibetan drum called damaru that's made from human skulls, a drumskin made of human skin and drumstick made of human bone. The Dalai Lama was overly worshipped and his followers fought for the right to consume his saliva, his urine and even his feces, because he was considered a divine vessel. After Tibet returned back to China, Chinese workers began rapidly modernising Tibet, building roads, railways, streetlamps, running water, gas and electricity as well as introducing modern amenities like cars, computers, telephone cables, smartphones, the Internet, WiFi, online shopping (from Taobao) and so on. Under CPC, the first Tibetan colleges opened in Lhasa, offering degrees in both Tibetan and Mandarin Chinese languages. Hydroelectric powerstations were built by Chinese to supply Tibetan homes with electricity. Chinese workers built the Qinghai-Lhasa railway (world's highest elevation railway) through dangerous mountainous terrain and low oxygen environments, to connect the normally isolated Tibet with the rest of the world. Tibet can now import food from the mainland to feed its population, and Tibet's population has tripled from 1 million in 1950s to over 3 million people today. A thriving tourist industry has even sprung up in Tibet.
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  14315.  @V01DIORE  "神州 Shenzhou You previously denied that China was totalitarian, backwards of any civilised society in a dystopian manner" Where did I previously denied that China was all those things you said? Could you please quote me my words where I denied China was those things you said? As for old age, China's political system is ancient I agree, but certainly not backwards, since Chinese political system has done very well for China in the modern world too. For example, China's government has done well in controlling the Covid19 situation in our country, while it is spreading rampantly in Europe and the United States. "I never said that it wasn’t successful but merely abominably abhorrent." Abominably abhorrent? China is currently at peace and not at war with any country, since our last major conflict in 1979. Instead of making war, China is building infrastructure like roads, railways, highways, bridges, tunnels, powerstations, dams, ports, airports, etc and investing in developing countries like Sri Lanka, Nepal, Bangladesh, Pakistan, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Tajikistan, and also African countries like Nigeria, Kenya, Chad, Sudan, Ghana, Mozambique, Tanzania, etc. Whereas the United States is warmonger being involved in Gulf War, Iraq War, Afghan War, Libyan War, Syrian War, Yemen War, etc, even in the 21st century. USA is bombing in those Middle Eastern countries and enacting regime change by cutting off their "heads" (Saddam Hussein, Muammar Gaddafi, etc) and then installing their own US puppet governments in place. If anything, it looks like it's the United States that's being abominably abhorrent, all in the name of supposed "democracy". Did you see the U.S dronestrike killing an Afghan family of 10 (including children) and the U.S General in charge of ordering the strike faced no several consequences for his mistake?
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  14515.  @andrenogueira5058  Western Journalists have long been predicting China's economic downfall since 1990. Here's a list: 1990. The Economist: China's economy has come to a halt. 1996. The Economist: China's economy will face hard landing. 1998. The Economist: China's economy entering a dangerous period of sluggish growth. 1999. Bank of Canada: Likelihood of a hard landing for the Chinese economy. 2000. Chicago Tribune: China currency move nails hard landing risk coffin. 2001. Wilbanks, Smith & Thomas: A hard landing in China. 2002. Westchester University: China Anxiously Seeks A Soft Economic landing. 2003. KWR International: How to find a soft landing if China.. 2004. The Economist: The great fall of China? 2005. Nouriel Roubini: The Risk of a Hard Landing in China. 2006. International Economy: Can China Achieve a Soft Landing? 2007. TIME: Is China's Economy Overheating? Can China avoid a hard landing? 2008. Forbes: Hard Landing in China? 2009. Fortune: China's hard landing. China must find a way to recover. 2010. Nouriel Roubini: Hard landing coming in China. 2011. Business Insider: A Chinese Hard Landing May Be Closer Than You Think. 2012. American Interest: Dismal Economic News from China: A Hard Landing. 2013. Zero Hedge: A Hard Landing in China. 2014. CNBC: A hard landing in China. 2015. Forbes: Congratulations, You got Yourself A Chinese Hard Landing.... 2016. The Economist: Hard Landing looms for China. 2017. National Interest: Is China's Economy Going To Crash? 2018. The Daily Reckoning: China's Coming Financial Meltdown. 2019. Zero Hedge: Seven Reasons Why China Is Facing A Hard Landing In 2019 2020. Forbes: Remember The China 'Hard Landing'? We Got One. ... But its already 2022, and China's economy is still going.
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  14533.  @MegaBanne  "The Chinese economy has collapsed." 1990. China's economy has come to a halt. The Economist 1996. China's economy will face a hard landing. The Economist 1998. China's economy’s dangerous period of sluggish growth. The Economist 1999. Likelihood of a hard landing for the Chinese economy. Bank of Canada 2000. China currency move nails hard landing risk coffin. Chicago Tribune 2001. A hard landing in China. Wilbanks, Smith & Thomas 2002. China Seeks a Soft Economic Landing. Westchester University 2003. Banking crisis imperils China. New York Times 2004. The great fall of China? The Economist 2005. The Risk of a Hard Landing in China. Nouriel Roubini 2006. Can China Achieve a Soft Landing? International Economy 2007. Can China avoid a hard landing? TIME 2008. Hard Landing In China? Forbes 2009. China's hard landing. China must find a way to recover. Fortune 2010: Hard landing coming in China. Nouriel Roubini 2011: Chinese Hard Landing Closer Than You Think. Business Insider 2012: Economic News from China: Hard Landing. American Interest 2013: A Hard Landing In China. Zero Hedge 2014. A hard landing in China. CNBC 2015. Congratulations, You Got Yourself A Chinese Hard Landing. Forbes 2016. Hard landing looms for China. The Economist 2017. Is China's Economy Going To Crash? National Interest 2018. China's Coming Financial Meltdown. The Daily Reckoning. 2019. China's Economic Slowdown: How worried should we be? BBC 2020. Coronavirus Could End China's Decades-Long Economic Growth Streak. NY Times 2021 Chinese economy risks deeper slowdown than markets realize. Bloomberg 2022. China Surprise Data Could Spell Recession. Bloomberg. 2023. No word should be off-limits to describe China's faltering economy. Bloomberg ... But it's already 2024 and China's economy is still going strong.
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  14534.  @MegaBanne  "The Chinese economy has collapsed. You guys really are clueless." 1990. China's economy has come to a halt. The Economist 1996. China's economy will face a hard landing. The Economist 1998. China's economy’s dangerous period of sluggish growth. The Economist 1999. Likelihood of a hard landing for the Chinese economy. Bank of Canada 2000. China currency move nails hard landing risk coffin. Chicago Tribune 2001. A hard landing in China. Wilbanks, Smith & Thomas 2002. China Seeks a Soft Economic Landing. Westchester University 2003. Banking crisis imperils China. New York Times 2004. The great fall of China? The Economist 2005. The Risk of a Hard Landing in China. Nouriel Roubini 2006. Can China Achieve a Soft Landing? International Economy 2007. Can China avoid a hard landing? TIME 2008. Hard Landing In China? Forbes 2009. China's hard landing. China must find a way to recover. Fortune 2010: Hard landing coming in China. Nouriel Roubini 2011: Chinese Hard Landing Closer Than You Think. Business Insider 2012: Economic News from China: Hard Landing. American Interest 2013: A Hard Landing In China. Zero Hedge 2014. A hard landing in China. CNBC 2015. Congratulations, You Got Yourself A Chinese Hard Landing. Forbes 2016. Hard landing looms for China. The Economist 2017. Is China's Economy Going To Crash? National Interest 2018. China's Coming Financial Meltdown. The Daily Reckoning. 2019. China's Economic Slowdown: How worried should we be? BBC 2020. Coronavirus Could End China's Decades-Long Economic Growth Streak. NY Times 2021 Chinese economy risks deeper slowdown than markets realize. Bloomberg 2022. China Surprise Data Could Spell R-e-c-e-s-s-i-o-n. Bloomberg. 2023. No word should be off-limits to describe China's faltering economy. Bloomberg ... But it's already 2024 and China's economy is still going strong.
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  14664.  @paulbaskerville2748  "神州 Shenzhou I am surprised with all the problems the ccp have that they haven't ." Again, it's because releasing the news of PLA soldiers that died (if any) at the border would only inflame anti-India sentiment among Chinese nationalists (like how Indian media is stoking anti-China sentiment among Indian nationalists) that's why China is censoring such news (if any) in order to de-escalate the conflict. Because if both sides continually escalate the conflict, it could potentially start a real hot war between China and India, which is to our countries detriment, and it's in the U.S interests. You said: "Already locked down city's people are starving soon China will be in full famine . all ready people are in the dark and freezing in there homes and no way to cook .mass uninployment and government workers can't buy food and pay rent having to Borow money to pay the claw back"" China can support 20% of the world's population with only 7% arable land and still produce surplus food for export to other countries. China literally ranks first in agricultural production, believe me if China is starving then the first sign is that countries all over the world stop receiving agricultural produce from China. As for the power shortage, that only lasted a couple of weeks at the most, now power has been restored to homes all over Northern China, and people have moved on to other more important issues, yet you are still "left in the dark" (pun intended)? It just sounds like all the news you get about China is only negative in nature that's all, it's as though you want China to fail and not succeed with a different political systems from yours that's all.
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  14668.  @paulbaskerville2748  You said: "The girl tennis player. That interview was totally staged ." The girl tennis player as in Peng Shuai? I've read Peng Shuai's post (full translation available on Reddit) and she has had a tumultuous, on-and-off relationship with a much older man, spanning several years in fact. But where are the allegations of sexual assault in her post? Could you point out where in her post did she say she was raped? Peng Shuai had written an email to Steve Simon of WTA which stated that she was resting at home and that the allegation of sexual assault was not true, and that she was not missing. She also criticized the WTA for releasing what it claimed was unverified information about Peng without her consent. You said that the interviewer was totally staged, but do you have evidence that it was staged? Corruption is universal phenomena and every country suffers from corruption to a certain degree. But at least under President Xi Jinping, there's an ongoing anti-corruption campaign to crackdown on the mountain of corruption inherent within the communist party. But when is the last time a country like USA had an anti-corruption campaign of its own? Hillary Clinton is corrupt politician and Donald Trump promised to jail her during his Presidential campaign, but after he became president, no further action has been taken against Clinton for corruption. As for fentanyl, China has been arresting drug smugglers. A court in northern China sentenced a fentanyl trafficker to death and eight others to jail on November 7. It was the first big joint fentanyl bust between China and the United States.The nine were sentenced after pleading guilty to manufacturing and smuggling the opioid to the US in a public trial in Hebei province. Video: Fentanyl trafficker in China sentenced to death https://youtu.be/DrABhGDoJJ8 The hero doctor as in Li Wenliang? Dr Li's post was on 30th Dec 2019 but the next day, China had informed the World Health Organization of a mysterious pneumonia like illness on 31st Dec 2019. By 5th Jan 2020 China had identified and isolated the coronavirus strain in record time and by 12th Jan 2020 China had sequenced Covid-19 genome in record time and shared the information with WHO. So it's only a difference of 1 day that's all.
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  14674.  @paulbaskerville2748  "神州 Shenzhou when u hold a gun to someone head and ask them a question they will say what ever u want ." So do you have evidence that a gun was held to her head? Or to people's head while they take the survey? Then why are you jumping to conclusions without proof? You said: "With women lib black lives matters woke and the me to movements going to fare and destroying and dividing the west and helping in its destruction. China playes its part by killing kids by dumping fentanyl in to the west . " Those movements are of YOUR OWN DOING, how is China to blame for the divisions in the West today? You believe in "freedom of speech" well that's what you get. The West is suffering from overinflated rights and diminished responsibility of taking responsibility for what's being said. The rights of feminists conflict with the rights of misogynists. The rights of LGBT conflict with the rights of the homophobic. The rights of ethnic-minorities versus the rights of the ethnic-majority. Those who are pro abortion versus those who are against abortion. Pro-Vaccine versus Anti-Vaxxers. The Left Wing versus the Right Wing. All these movements are tearing apart the fabric of American society from within, that's what happens when you have an unregulated media, yet you're somehow blaming China and fentanyl for your woes? You said: "I live simply have 5 to 10 of everything I want or nead" Not every American or Westerner is as lucky as you, many people have been plunged into poverty because of the pandemic, yet U.S strategy is to save businesses over saving lives. Where's China's approach is to save lives over saving businesses. You said: "As long as the ccp dumps propaganda and lies to the west I will do my part to correct them ." What correction have you done? I have refuted your points by quoting articles, but what have you cited to support your arguments? You said: "Hopefully she will have a better fate then the hero doctor that tried to warn the world" Dr Li post was on 30th Dec 2019 and the next day, China had reported a mysterious pneumonia-like illness to the WHO on 31st Dec 2019, so it's just a difference of 1 day isn't it? Also, if you read Dr Li's post he didn't want to spread the information, he wrote : "Don't circulate the information outside of this group, tell your family and loved ones to take precautions" (大家不要外传,让家人亲人注意防范) but someone took screenshot of his post and uploaded it to Chinese social media.
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  14689.  @paulbaskerville2748  Let's get this straight, you don't care nuts about China, our people nor our government. You constantly mock Chinese people's eating habits, but when Chinese try to diversify through fishermen expanding their fishing grounds, you complained about Chinese fishermen being thieves. But there's no law that says fish are property of any one country in the seas, yet you're accusing Chinese fishermen of a crime that does not exist. Otherwise, you're welcome to show me which laws say that fish in the sea belong to any one country. I've noticed that you don't even bother to refer to Peng Shuai or Dr Li by name, you just call them tennis player and hero doctor, because you can't be bothered to remember Chinese names, so you're just blatantly anti-China that's all. Over 70 years ago, nobody expected "communist" China to succeed. China was once a dirt-poor, war-torn, starving country in the past, but fast forward till today and look at how far China has come under the leadership of the Communist Party of China. China has since transformed into the world's 2nd largest economy, the world's factory (Made in China) having the world's 2nd largest R&D spending, protected by the world's largest land army, the People's Liberation Army, funded by the world's 2nd largest military expenditure. And it's all been achieved under communist party leadership, despite Western anti-Communist propaganda constantly denouncing China's success all along. Then is there really a need for China to abandon our political system and adopt Western brand of democracy? Our system clearly works for our country.
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  14693.  @paulbaskerville2748  "神州 Shenzhou what the usa doesn't understand is some countries Have to have a strong leadership that is brutal on any desent. Like in the case of the talaban the infighting and dividing in to religious sects ." Yes, that's how the Taliban in Afghanistan governs, through various tribes and factions and possibly with a chief to mediate feuds and act as a unifying figure. The point is that the U.S democratic experiment has failed in Afghanistan, after nearly 20 years and pouring trillions of dollars into the Afghan war effort. The U.S tried to force democracy but in the end, all their democratic institutions in Afghanistan collapsed like a house of cards. The democratically elected Afghan President Ghani fled the country with carloads of U.S cash (because of corruption) and the 300,000-men strong Afghan Army had surrendered to the Taliban in weeks with barely any resistance on their part. If anything, this shows that you can't force democracy onto countries and expect it to succeed. So when it comes to China, China has found a political system that works for our country then is there really a need to abandon this system and adopt a Western-style democracy? You said: "Even politicians on different sides like fish face and his side and xi with his backers even though they are the ccp Xi gose after fish fase side .but with the incompetent childish actions of Xi his supporters are supporting fish face side ." I don't understand why Westerners feel the need to insult politicians physical appearance when they aren't even your countries leaders. Yes, there are factions within the Communist Party of China, it consist of 90 million communist members (about the population size of Germany) after all. But once a decision is made by the party then the CPC presents a united front outside. And every communist member votes on each decision made. You said: "The usa is run by the rich and powerful they keep the people divided and controlled and poor killing the middle class by getting rid of good paying middle class jobs and replacing them with minimum wage jobs ." Yes, in the USA, the rich U.S corporations control the U.S government for war and profit at the expense of ordinary Americans. Capitalism favors monopolies, that's why American monopolies like Facebook, Google, Amazon, Apple, dominate their respective industries and either eliminated or bought out the competition from smaller American films, also stifling innovation through competition in the process. Whereas in China, the Chinese government controls the Chinese corporations for China's benefit, reining in companies when they strayed too far. For example, China has anti-monopoly law and is clamping down on anti-competitive practices by Alibaba, Tencent, Didi, to take these companies down a notch, freeing up market space so that smaller Chinese firms can emerge and compete with the bigger companies in innovative ways. You said: "Construction jobs still pay good but now housing prices are so high the young can never afford to buy one . A lot of young have given up like in China the laying flat movement is growing." This is a problem that the China needs to address. Regarding rising housing prices, President Xi Jinping said that "Housing is for living in, not for speculation" (房子是用来住的、不是用来炒的) it is believed that market speculations has causing housing prices to rise beyond the reach of young couples seeking to apply for a house, and I hope the government addresses this issue. You said: "I would like to see all countries working together to build a moon base and colonize Mars and Venice" China has previously sent people to space and even landed on the Moon. In 2003, Yang Liwei became the first person sent into space by the Chinese space program, on board Shenzhou-5 (神舟五号) spacecraft. Video: Yang Liwei: China's first astronaut in space https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tIviKg4Mduw
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  14708.  @paulbaskerville2748  Copying? China is literally the first country to land on the far side of the Moon through the use of a relay satellite, no other country has achieved this level of technological sophistication to land on the far side. And why call it "International" Space Station, when a fifth of humanity (i.e Chinese people) are barred from working on board the ISS? The West have no problems allowing Russian scientists and cosmonauts on board the ISS, but somehow, Chinese scientist and taikonauts are forbidden? No wonder why China want's to change the world order, because the current one is unfair that's why. And you know what's China's solution to not being allowed on board the ISS? It's to build our own Chinese space station, Tiangong (天宫 "Heavenly Palace"). Already the core module of the Chinese space station, Tianhe (天和) has been launched into orbit and Chinese taikonauts have been sent to prepare the space stations for operation. You said: "Who do u think got China in to the wto and the Un" When the World Trade Organization was founded in 1995, China aimed to be included as a WTO founding member (which would validate our country as a world economic power) but this attempt was thwarted because the United States, European countries, and Japan requested that China first reform various tariff policies, including tariff reductions, open markets and industrial policies. That's why China had a late entry into WTO in 2001, instead of being a founding member of WTO in 1995. Because the USA and it's allies posed hurdles to China's entry into WTO, so you think Westerners "let" China into WTO? As for the United Nations, China is a charter members of UN and is one of five permanent members in the UN Security Council, so what's there to talk about?
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  14709.  @paulbaskerville2748  Congratulations to Russia for landing on Venus surface. China has even landed on Mars, after launching Tianwen (天问) Mars lander on 23 July 2020 and Zhurong (祝融) Mars rover deployed on Mars on 10 Feb 2021. As for India, you claimed they have less crashes but the most recent Indian lunar lander, Chandrayaan-2 crashed into the Moon on 6 Sept 2019, which is tragic loss. You said: "Like I sead China is developed its own stuff it should be the better one and work with all countries. Instead of Xi and his childish incompetence tantrums ." What childish incompetence tantrums? China wanted to work with the West, but the U.S policy forbids NASA from working with China, so how is it China's fault that the USA refuse to work with China? Yet despite China being banned from working with NASA, China has accomplished feats like launching space stations into orbit, landing on the Moon, landing on Mars, and even bringing home lunar rock samples for study. And it's all been achieved without working with NASA You said: "If he was smart he would of got the pipelines in converted the coal plants to natural gas then built wind and solar plants so China has a stable electricity." Let's get this straight, fossil fuels like coal plants are actually more stable than wind and solar power (which depend on the weather conditions and day-night cycle). Furthermore, China actually dominates the world in both wind power and solar power generation already. I've made a playlist on my channel showcasing China's wind and solar power generation. Countries by Wind Power in 2018 1. China (366,000 GWh per year) 2. United States (277,729 GWh per year) 3. Germany (111,590 GWh per year) 4. India (60,311 GWh per year) 5. United Kingdom (57,115 GWh per year) 6. Spain (50,836 GWh per year) 7. Brazil (48,479 GWh per year) 8. Canada (32,170 GWh per year) 9. France (28,167 GWh per year) ... Countries by Solar Power in 2018 1. China (177,500,000 MWh per year) 2. United States (97,118,000 MWh per year) 3. Japan (71,688,000 MWh per year) 4. Germany (46,164,000 MWh per year) 5. India (30,732,000 MWh per year) 6. Italy (23,230,000 MWh per year) 7. United Kingdom (12,921,000 MWh per year) 8. Spain (12,520,000 MWh per year) 9. Australia (12,081,000 MWh per year) ....
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  14781.  @canuck21  Yes, we are not discussing in Mandarin and neither am I mocking you on your Mandarin proficiency (if any). However, it's apparent that my English proficiency is not up to your insanely high standards, such that you would rather attack my command of the English language, rather than address my points. You said: "It's really you having weird reasoning." Moving from belittling my English proficiency to now attacking my reasoning? In what why is my reasoning weird? I've outlined my stance towards visitors and immigrants in previous comments and won't repeat them again, yet it seems you're unable to point out where exactly is my reasoning flawed, just seemingly continuing to attack my English and reasoning that's all. You said: "And no, knowing a foreign language does not automatically means one understands the world. What weird thinking you have there." How is this thinking weird? Learning a foreign language grants one a better understanding of the world, since it allows for access to information from alternative foreign sources. It's like you seem to think the world only speaks one language and that's it. You said: "Again, your views on visitors and immigrants shows that YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND." That's what you've been repeating again and again, telling me that I don't understand, and again you refuse to elaborate, you just criticize my English proficiency is all. We are beginning to see a pattern here. You said: "I understand that China doesn't need immigrants and I'm not arguing that China does. The fact that you keep saying that shows you don't get it." Then we are in agreement, since that's the stance I've adopted all along. So how am I not getting it (like you keep saying)? You said: "The point is that you have no reason to brag that China is welcoming to visitors because which country isn't?" The U.S for starters, isn't really that welcoming towards Chinese visitors. That's the whole reason why I posted this comment, yet now you're claiming I have no reason for such a post? You said: "You even used the Olympics to brag how welcoming the Chinese are. Like really? The Olympics?" Is there something fundamentally wrong with using the Olympics as an example of Chinese hospitality? You said: " The whole point of the Olympics is the show a face so of course you're going to be welcoming at the Olympics" Yes, but that's one example, and it also happens outside of the Olympics. I mean, you've previously stated that you've been to Beijing, Xi'An and Shanghai, and that you never said Chinese people were not welcoming to visitors. So it's not just limited to the Olympics. ... And lastly, you made the claim that I'm slow, that it's typical of someone with limited understanding of the world, and that I have no understanding of "the big picture" and now even resorting to mocking my English proficiency, then it's as though you're just hurling ad hominem attacks against me that's all. Why not resort to attacking my points instead of attacking me personally?
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  14793.    Name one case? Look what happened to Singapore dissident Francis Seow under the dictatorship of Lee Kuan Yew. He lived in exile from Singapore after facing lawsuits from Lee Kuan Yew, Singapore's first Prime Minister. He became embroiled in the politics surrounding the role of the Law Society. He had envisaged a restoration of the role of the Law Society to comment on legislation that the government churned out without any meaningful parliamentary debate, to which Lee took special exception. As a result, Lee caused special legislation to be passed that deprived the Law Society of any power to comment on legislation unless specifically asked to by the government. Just before the election, on 6 May 1988, Seow was detained without trial under the Internal Security Act for 72 days. He was accused of having received political campaign finance from the United States to promote democracy in Singapore. According to his account, he was subjected to torture, including sleep deprivation and intensely cold air conditioning. Did you actually study Singapore history and see what happens to Singapore dissidents like Francis Seow? You don't even do research, yet accuse others of being a laughing stock? I already shown that Lee Kuan Yew was a dictator who tolerated no dissent and jailed or exiled dissidents and political rivals. And there's the fact that Singapore has been governed by authoritarian single-party PAP for 55 years just like China has been governed by authoritarian single-party CPC for 71 years. You can't deny the similarities.
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  14966.  @KuangWen0  没人说人口少GDP就高,你连GDP人均都算不清楚,而且你楼上不是把四小龙跟中国比吗?四小龙,菲律宾,缅甸,越南的人口都比不过中国只有印度能算在眼里。我国和印度同为世界上人口最多的国家之一,都有着古老的文明。如果你说印度改革开放,为什么还没跟中国追到? 我已经说了毛时代创造了人均寿命增长的世界奇迹。按照世界银行公布的数据,1960年中印两国人民的预期寿命相近,但在那个十年时代,中国的预期寿命突然大幅度增长,很快大幅度超过印度。据统计,1949年前中国人寿平均数是35岁,世界人寿平均数是47岁。1949年-1976年,毛泽东时代短短27年,中国人寿平均数提高到65岁,世界人寿平均数是57岁。据统计,1949年前中国人寿平均数是35岁,世界人寿平均数是47岁。1949年-1976年,毛泽东时代短短27年,中国人寿平均数提高到65岁,世界人寿平均数是57岁。 也就是说,中国人,在毛泽东时代,从比世界平均少活12年,提高到比世界平均多获8年。12+8=20,也就是说,在毛泽东时代,中国人均寿命,相对国际平均水平,提高了20岁!外国人可以不去捏造事实和杜撰神话,可以更全面地了解毛泽东在中国得到人民广泛支持的原因——抛开诸如取得真正的民族独立等问题,而只是从生存这一事实来考虑。如果有人能够让你多活31年,那么毫无疑问,他值得你尊重!
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  14967.  @KuangWen0  中国一些所谓的知识分子也亦步亦趋紧跟西方步伐妖魔化毛泽东。但事实显示,1949-1976年中国取得了人类史上最伟大的社会成就。西方试图掩盖中国1949-1976年所取得的史无前例的社会成就的方法,是一种典型的扭曲手法,即以一些个例扭曲整体形势。比如,著有《毛泽东时代的大饥荒》的荷兰学者冯克(Frank Dikotter)就据此称毛泽东时代的中国为“人间地狱”,但事实证明,现实与其说法截然相反。人类史上从未有如此多的人如中国1949-1976年所做的一样,如此快速地提高其社会地位。 比较中国与另一个最大的发展中经济体——印度的预期寿命趋势,1947年,印度取得独立,当时该国人口的预期寿命为32岁。中国人在1949年新中国成立时的预期寿命为35岁——比印度高出3岁。到了1978年,中国改革前的最后一年,中国人的预期寿命为67岁,印度为55岁——差距扩大到12岁。差距明显加大并不是因为印度的表现糟糕——预期寿命在32年中增长了22岁,而是因为中国的表现极为出色——预期寿命在29年中提高了32岁。这意味着,在改革前,中国人的预期寿命每年增加1岁多——年均增幅高达2.3%。 需要指出的是,与人类历史上的其他主要国家相比,中国在1949年后的30年中的预期寿命增长率是最快的。我们可以举例说明: 在1880年后的30年中,美国每年预期寿命增幅为0.9%(主要是受内战后恢复的推动,在一段时间内出现急剧增长)。 在1871年后,英国的预期寿命出现了一段快速增长时期,其每年增幅不到1.0%。 日本预期寿命的增长较为显著,而且是在二战后经济恢复中实现快速增长的国家,在1947年后的29年中,预期寿命的年均增幅为1.3%。 因此,中国在1949-1978年期间所取得的2.3%预期寿命增幅远高于这些国家按照正常标准计算得出的结果,它的表现是前所未见的出色。
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  14971.  @KuangWen0  以前我的祖父母是穷农民,但毛泽东从富有的腐败地主手中夺取土地,分给农民,就开始有自己的地盘。过去农民都不准上学,或是没有钱读书,但毛泽东改变了这,让农民优先上学,我父母就能上学成为工程师。所以我永远感谢毛泽东对贫困阶层的贡献。 但说出自己的故事有什么意义呢?你有自己的故事,我有我的,邓小平也有他的。与其谈论故事,不如看看数据和统计数据呢?可是看来你就是一个看轶事不看数据的人。 中国妇女地位提高是争议最少的毛泽东的遗产之一,西方评论员也承认毛泽东时期的努力大幅度提高了妇女的社会地位。毛泽东的名言“妇女能顶半边天”已经成了名言。毛泽东因为出身农家,所有对中国底层妇女的悲惨生活并不陌生。1927年毛泽东在考察了湖南农村几个县以后得出结论说:中国妇女除了要和男人一样受政权、族权、神权的支配外,还要受夫权的支配,妇女一生被这“四权”压弯了腰。 1949年10月1日新中国成立,妇女事业迎来新纪元,全国积极开展废娼运动,清除残害妇女的封建遗毒;开展婚姻法宣传,提升妇女的主体地位;开展扫盲运动,提升妇女素质;开展普选运动,推动妇女走上政治舞台。从1949年到1978年的30年间,党和国家十分重视妇女在政治、经济、文化、教育等领域的参与,使妇女真正成为国家、社会、家庭和自己的主人。 毛泽东强调,“中国的妇女是一种伟大的人力资源,必须发掘这种资源,为了建设一个伟大的社会主义国家而奋斗。”而对于妇女参加生产劳动,不仅社会上仍有传统偏见,连妇女自身也存在思想障碍,许多妇女不愿下地劳动,认为“相夫教子”才是正统。毛泽东指出,“没有扫除文盲,没有进小学、中学、大学,妇女还不可能彻底解放。”
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  15001.  @shubhamsuryawanshi658  Indian Su30 detected China's Chengdu J-20 5th generation stealth fighter, because the J-20 was on training mission and they equipped with special "radar-reflectors" (Luneburg lens) attached to enlarge and conceal its true radar cross section during peacetime operations. Even the US Airforce equip their F-22 and F-35 with this radar reflectors during peacetime for safety and training purposes, due to the potential for accidents and identification from other aircraft or ground installations. Source: Luneburg lens: Radar reflector wikipedia.org/wiki/Luneburg_lens#Radar_reflector Of course, during actual wartime, our J-20 stealth fighters won't be equipped with this radar reflectors used during peacetime. Only 3 countries in the world have flown full-size stealth combat aircraft demonstrations and they are United States (in 1977), Russia (in 2010) and China (in 2011). Even today, only 2 countries have active stealth fighters serving operationally in our airforce and they are USA and China. Source: Stealth Aircraft wikipedia.org/wiki/Stealth_aircraft#Manned China's Type 99 or ZTZ-99 is 3rd generation battle tank that is ranked among the World's Top 10 Main Battle Tanks, with advanced features including: -a fully stabilised smoothbore gun with autoloader, capable of firing anti-tank sniper missiles, and speculated to be able to penetrate the armour of the US M1 Abrams at close range with tungsten rounds. -Composite armour hull with front portion and turret protected by explosive reactive armour that resist enemy shell penetration. -A multi-layered radar system that detects and denotates incoming enemy missiles before impact. -A laser warning receiver that warns the tank commander that the tank is being painted by hostile lasers. Source: China showcases Type 99 Battle Tank youtu.be/ktniek01Xyw Source: Top 10 Most Powerful Tanks youtu.be/M3n6q_dTjfk?t=385 And its up there with the fastest to boot, equipped with turbo-charged engine providing a maximum road speed of 50 mph (80 kph).
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  15006.  @shubhamsuryawanshi658  Congratulations on India's 2019 Anti-satellite test. This comment thread was posted over 1 year ago, at the time when India had not tested any anti-satellite weapons. And the T-90 is Russian tank design, India is only granted the license to build T-90, but Russia may suddenly decide to withdraw the license. Can you explain how is India's Arjun Mk 2 better than China's Type 99 Main Battle Tank? The Arjun Mk 2 has poor firepower, their rifled 120 mm gun is inferior to the Type 99's smoothbore 125 mm cannon. Smoothbore is the way to go for modern tanks. India also dropped the LAHAT missile which is a bad move and the indigenous new missile is still being tested, leaving the lousy APFSDS round, which only has 300 mm penetrative and as compared to China's Type 99 penetration of 600 mm. Both tanks have explosive reaction armor and composites, but the Arjun Mk 2 has poorer coverage as much of the turret is uncovered as compared to the Type 99. The Type 99 is also among the world's fastest tanks, with 1500 hp engine, but only weighing 52 tonnes, while the Arjun Mk 2 has 1400 hp engine and weighs 68 tonnes. Besides, if China and India fight, it would most likely be over the Himalayas, and mountainous terrain is not as suitable for heavy tanks. As a response, China developed a Light Tank, the Type-15 which is suitable for mountainous terrain deployment like in Tibet, Donglong (Doklam) and in the Himalayas. Video: China's New Light Tank So Fast youtu.be/Fia_O_47IQk Video: China's Newest Tank, the Type 15 Makes Parade Debut youtu.be/NrQM7x5-myA On the other hand, Indian Army lacks a proper light tank to engage China on the mountainous Himalayas battlefield. Video: Indian Army shows interest in Light Tanks for defense along the border youtu.be/IljAqpDVytA
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  15007.  @shubhamsuryawanshi658  Where's news about India's 6th generation fighter? China has reportedly begun 6th generation fighter development, and has made important breakthroughs in designing and developing several key components, including next-generation engine, planning to field it in the 2025–2030 time frame. Source: Sixth Generation Jet fighter wikipedia.org/wiki/Sixth-generation_jet_fighter#China The HAL Advanced Medium Combat Aircraft (AMCA) is an Indian programme to develop a fifth-generation fighter aircraft, not 6th generation. As for world's most powerful satellite, China's Gaofen 4 (高分-4), launched on December 28, 2015 from Xichang in central China, on a CZ-3B/Long March 3 rocket, to a geosynchronous orbit 22,000 miles above the Earth. Source: Gaofen 4, The World's Most Powerful GEO Spy Satellite, Continues China's Great Leap Forward Into Space popsci.com/gaofen-4-worlds-most-powerful-geo-spy-satellite-continues-chinas-great-leap-forward-into-space/ The Gaofen 4 is the world's most powerful GEO spy satellite. It has a color image resolution of slightly less than 50 meters (which is enough to track aircraft carriers by their wake at sea) and a thermal imaging resolution of 400m (good for spotting forest fires). It may also have a lower resolution video streaming capacity. Because of its round-the-clock coverage of Chinese territory and near aboard, Gaofen 4 can provide instant coverage of earthquake or typhoon hit areas to support humanitarian relief. It will also allow China to monitor strategic foreign sites such as WMD facilities and naval bases inside its observation box. China's Gaofen-5 (高分-5) is the world's first full spectrum hyperspectral satellite for environmental imaging launched into space. Video: China Launches World's First Full Spectrum Hyperspectral Satellite for Environmental Imaging youtu.be/AgYhHaNcjPc
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  15008.  @shubhamsuryawanshi658  Where's India self produced combat drone? China has combat UAVs like the Caihong-5 (彩虹-5) and the Wing Loong 2 (翼龙-2) and even supersonic spy drones like the DR-8 and the Sharp Sword stealth drone (which is capable of firing air-to-ground missiles), unveiled during our 70th Anniversary National Day of the founding of the People's Republic of China. Source: China unveils supersonic spy drone during National Day military parade rehearsal scmp.com/news/china/military/article/3027534/china-unveils-supersonic-spy-drone-during-national-day-military Source: China reveals new supersonic drone washingtontimes.com/news/2019/sep/18/chinas-supersonic-dr-8-done-revealed/ Source: China Showcases Stealthier Sharp Sword Unmanned Combat Air Vehicle Configuration thedrive.com/the-war-zone/30111/china-showcases-stealthier-sharp-sword-unmanned-combat-air-vehicle-configuration And about Donglong (Doklam) it is Chinese territory, not Indian territory, so why are Indian troops doing on Chinese territory you tell me? And PLA troops are still patrolling in Donglong, whereas Indian troops have withdrawn from Donglong. Source: PLA troops patrolling Doklam to exercise sovereignty: China economictimes.com/news/defence/pla-troops-patrolling-doklam-to-exercise-sovereignty-china/articleshow/60974831.cms Source: 1,000 Chinese soldiers reportedly still in Doklam a month after border stand-off ended scmp.com/news/china/diplomacy-defence/article/2114265/1000-chinese-soldiers-reportedly-still-doklam-month
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  15039.  @87aggietim  said: "Look at Taiwan they have a great economy." Taiwan had been under authoritarian single-party Kuomintang rule for more than half its life! For decades, the KMT ruled Taiwan with iron fist, and KMT leader Chiang kai-Shek was dictator who jailed and executed his dissidents and political rivals (whether real or perceived) in a period known as White Terror (白色恐怖) and Chiang impose martial law on Taiwan for more than 38 years, which was qualified as "the longest imposition of martial law by a regime anywhere in the world" at that time. But under authoritarian single-party KMT rule, Taiwan flourished and rapidly modernized, resulting in Taiwan Miracle (台湾奇迹) Between 1952 and 1982, Taiwan economic growth was on average 8.7%, and between 1983 and 1986 at 6.9%. Taiwan GDP grew by 360% between 1965 and 1986 and the percentage of global exports was over 2% in 1986, over other recently industrialized countries, and the global industrial production output grew a further 680% between 1965 and 1986. And it was all achieved under authoritarian single-party KMT rule. Only when democracy was introduced to Taiwan (because USA threatened to cut off weapons sales to Taiwan if KMT did not introduce political reforms) did Taiwan's economic growth became more modest in 1990s. Today Taiwan's economy is in a slump, wages are stagnant, cost of living is high, and Taiwan graduates are seeking job opportunities abroad, such as in mainland China or in Singapore. So what makes you think you can't have economic growth cannot under authoritarian rule? KMT authoritarian rule worked for Taiwan, then if it's not broken, why fix it?
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  15054.  @engr_rioja  Tibetans themselves signed the Seventeen Point Agreement for the Peaceful Liberation of Tibet (中央人民政府和西藏地方政府关于和平解放西藏办法的协议) for short in 1952, affirming Chinese sovereignty over Tibet. So there is legal document binding Tibet to China isn't it? Previously, while Tibet was under Dalai Lama rule, Tibet was a brutal theocracy, where 95% of the population were slaves and the remaining 5% elites were slave owners. Tibetan mountainous soil is infertile, rainfall is scarce in the Himalayas, so the slaves had to work hard to feed the Tibetan population. Starvation was commonplace and theft of food was punished by torture, amputation and even skinning. There's this Tibetan drum called damaru that's made from human skulls, a drumskin made of human skin and drumstick made of human bone. The Dalai Lama was overly worshipped and his followers fought for the right to consume his saliva, his urine and even his feces, because he was considered a divine vessel. After Tibet returned back to China, Chinese workers began rapidly modernising Tibet, building roads, railways, streetlamps, running water, gas and electricity as well as introducing modern amenities like cars, computers, telephone cables, smartphones, the Internet, WiFi, online shopping (from Taobao) and so on. Under CCP, the first Tibetan colleges opened in Lhasa, offering degrees in both Tibetan and Mandarin Chinese languages. Hydroelectric powerstations were built by Chinese to supply Tibetan homes with electricity. Source: List of universities and colleges in Tibet wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_universities_and_colleges_in_Tibet Source: List of major power stations in the Tibet Autonomous Region wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_major_power_stations_in_the_Tibet_Autonomous_Region Chinese workers built the Qinghai-Lhasa railway (world's highest elevation railway) through dangerous mountainous terrain and low oxygen environments, to connect the normally isolated Tibet with the rest of the world. Tibet can now import food from the mainland to feed its population, and Tibet's population has tripled from 1 million in 1950s to over 3 million people today. A thriving tourist industry has even sprung up in Tibet.
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  15093.  @auroragb  You want to bring up the Four Asian Tigers? South Korea's success occurred because it was under authoritarian rule of S. Korean dictator Park Chung Hee. When Park came to power in 1961, South Korea was a dirt-poor country (poorer than some Sub-Sahara African countries) and it's per capita income was only US$72.00 and North Korea was actually the greater economic and military power on the peninsula. One of Park's main goals was to end the poverty of South Korea, and lift the country up from being a 3rd World economy to a 1st World economy via etatist methods, and Park is credited with playing a pivotal role in the development of South Korea's tiger economy by shifting its focus to export-oriented industrialisatio, which resulted in the Miracle on the Han River (漢江의 奇蹟) and put S. Korea on the world map. But Park grew increasingly dictatorial (especially after 1971). In 1972, Park declared martial law and amended the constitution into a highly authoritarian document called the Yushin Constitution which was tantamount to an abolishment of the former Constitution, and granting him immense political power. During this time political opposition and dissent was constantly repressed and Park had complete control of the Media and Military. Source: Wikipedia: Park Chung Hee In summary, Park is a controversial figure for his dictatorship and undemocratic ways. He created and sustained the Miracle on the Han River, which reshaped and modernized South Korea, but was criticized for his authoritarian way of ruling the country and for prioritizing economic growth and contrived social order at the expense of civil liberties. Nevertheless, S. Korea became a Tiger Economy because of his authoritarian rule.
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  15108.  @auroragb  Again, who is asking you to dissolve people? I clearly never asked you to dissolve people, you are the one deliberately distorting the meaning of "dissolving the government" to the insane notion of "dissolving people," just to avoid answering the question. It's crazy what lengths you go to, twisting words just because you are unable to answer the simple question I've posed to you. And you claimed the people are capable of governing themselves, so again, why do you need a government then, since you seem to think ordinary people can govern themselves? Why spend money and resources electing a government, when ordinary people can govern themselves according to your logic? Since when is CCP forced onto Hong Kong and Taiwan? Hong Kong has its own separate government from the mainland, under the One Country, Two Systems policy, proposed by China, so how is CCP forced onto Hong Kong? The Hong Kong Chief Executive is elected by Election Committee which consist entirely of Hong Kong groups, and all Beijing does is appoint the Chief Executive that's all and Beijing does not get to vote in Hong Kong's elections. So how is CCP forced onto Hong Kong like you claimed? Hong Kong is legally part of China, and China can always abolish the Hong Kong government and fully reclaim Hong Kong as part of China (which would happen by 2047) but China is allowing Hong Kong to have their own separate government from the mainland, so again, how is Hong Kong forced to accept CCP? And Taiwan has their own separate government, so who is forcing CCP onto Taiwan? The mainland also once offered to extend to One Country, Two Systems policy to include Taiwan as well, allowing Taiwan to keep their government and for the mainland to keep ours, yet remaining as a single unified country. No other country in the world is willing to tolerate having multiple political systems existing within their borders, except for China. There are no Democratic countries that have more than one political system within their borders.
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  15117.  @samuelboucher1454  And what is mainland China doing to Hong Kong? Look at prosperous Shenzhen in the mainland, just across from Hong Kong and Shenzhen’s economic growth surpassed Hong Kong's in 2017. Source: Shenzhen surpasses US$338 billion GDP mark in 2017, beats Hong Kong and Singapore’s growth scmp.com/news/china/economy/article/2128310/shenzhen-88-cent-hi-tech-growth-roll-hit-y2tr-2017 Shenzhen is roughly the same economic size as Singapore and Hong Kong, but recorded nominal output of 2.2 trillion yuan (US$338 billion) in 2017 thanks to its booming hi-tech sector. Over 40% of the output came from “innovative” businesses such as internet, biotech and telecom. And that's despite Shenzhen being under communist party rule, while Hong Kong is suffering under its own democratic government. Look at Tibet Autonomous Region and Chinese workers modernised Tibet, building roads, railways, streetlamps, running water, gas and electricity as well as introducing modern amenities like cars, computers, telephones, smartphones, The Internet, WiFi, online shopping (from Taobao) and so on. Here's a video by WildFilmsIndia showing modern day life in Tibet and its simply not what they expected. Video: Modern day Lhasa is not a patch on what you think Tibet looks like youtu.be/3zIQlZopTPo You talked about Chinese government cracking down on underground Christian churches and what's wrong with that? If you are a Christian in China, then you should register yourself with the proper Chinese authorities. I mean, as a atheist Chinese citizen myself, why should unregistered Christians be allowed to worship in underground churches in China? What have they got to hide?
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  15119.  @RaginYak  I have shown that 14th Dalai Lama received funding from the CIA to train Tibetan guerrillas to engage in separatist activities against the communist government, and exposed the declassified CIA files. The Dalai Lama even criticised the CIA, saying that America was not actually supporting Tibetan independence, they just wanted to destabilise communist governments. In his 1991 autobiography Freedom in Exile, the 14th Dalai Lama criticized the CIA for supporting the Tibetan independence movement "not because they (the CIA) cared about Tibetan independence, but as part of their worldwide efforts to destabilize all communist governments". Source: CIA Tibetan program wikipedia.org/wiki/CIA_Tibetan_program#Criticism In 1999, the Dalai Lama claimed that the CIA Tibetan program had been harmful to Tibet because it primarily served American interests, claiming "once the American policy toward China changed, they stopped their help". This is supported by the fact that after President Nixon's visit to China, USA stopped caring about Tibetan independence. Today, countries all over the world recognise TAR as part of the People's Republic of China, and if you draw the Map of China, Tibet is clearly part of China. The Seventeen Point Agreement is a legally binding agreement affirming Chinese sovereignty over Tibet, signed by the Tibetans in 1951. In his autobiography, the Dalai Lama states that the Tibetan delegates claimed they were forced 'under duress' to sign the agreement... Their feeling of duress derives from the general Chinese threat to use military force again in Central Tibet if an agreement was not concluded. However, according to international law, this does not invalidate an agreement. So long as there is no physical violence against the signatories, an agreement is valid.
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  15131.  @RaginYak  Look at Tibet when it was under Dalai Lama rule. Previously, while Tibet was under Dalai Lama rule, Tibet was a brutal theocracy, where 95% of the population were slaves and the remaining 5% elites were slave owners. Tibetan mountainous soil is infertile, rainfall is scarce in the Himalayas, so the slaves had to work hard to feed the Tibetan population. Starvation was commonplace and theft of food was punished by torture, amputation and even skinning. There's this Tibetan drum called damaru that's made from human skulls, a drumskin made of human skin and drumstick made of human bone. The Dalai Lama was overly worshipped and his followers fought for the right to consume his saliva, his urine and even his feces, because he was considered a divine vessel. After Tibet returned back to China, Chinese workers began rapidly modernising Tibet, building roads, railways, streetlamps, running water, gas and electricity as well as introducing modern amenities like cars, computers, telephone cables, smartphones, the Internet, WiFi, online shopping (from Taobao) and so on. Under CCP, the first Tibetan colleges opened in Lhasa, offering degrees in both Tibetan and Mandarin Chinese languages. Hydroelectric powerstations were built by Chinese to supply Tibetan homes with electricity. Source: List of universities and colleges in Tibet wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_universities_and_colleges_in_Tibet Source: List of major power stations in the Tibet Autonomous Region wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_major_power_stations_in_the_Tibet_Autonomous_Region Chinese workers built the Qinghai-Lhasa railway (world's highest elevation railway) through dangerous mountainous terrain and low oxygen environments, to connect the normally isolated Tibet with the rest of the world. Tibet can now import food from the mainland to feed its population, and Tibet's population has tripled from 1 million in 1950s to over 3 million people today. A thriving tourist industry has even sprung up in Tibet.
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  15137.  @Tacit_Tern  Previously, while Tibet was under Dalai Lama rule, Tibet was a brutal theocracy, where 95% of the population were slaves and the remaining 5% elites were slave owners. Tibetan mountainous soil is infertile, rainfall is scarce in the Himalayas, so the slaves had to work hard to feed the Tibetan population. Starvation was commonplace and theft of food was punished by torture, amputation and even skinning. There's this Tibetan drum called damaru that's made from human skulls, a drumskin made of human skin and drumstick made of human bone. The Dalai Lama was overly worshipped and his followers fought for the right to consume his saliva, his urine and even his feces, because he was considered a divine vessel. After Tibet returned back to China, Chinese workers began rapidly modernising Tibet, building roads, railways, streetlamps, running water, gas and electricity as well as introducing modern amenities like cars, computers, telephone cables, smartphones, the Internet, WiFi, online shopping (from Taobao) and so on. Under CPC, the first Tibetan colleges opened in Lhasa, offering degrees in both Tibetan and Mandarin Chinese languages. Hydroelectric powerstations were built by Chinese to supply Tibetan homes with electricity. Source: List of universities and colleges in Tibet wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_universities_and_colleges_in_Tibet Source: List of major power stations in the Tibet Autonomous Region wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_major_power_stations_in_the_Tibet_Autonomous_Region Chinese workers built the Qinghai-Lhasa railway (world's highest elevation railway) through dangerous mountainous terrain and low oxygen environments, to connect the normally isolated Tibet with the rest of the world. Tibet can now import food from the mainland to feed its population, and Tibet's population has tripled from 1 million in 1950s to over 3 million people today. A thriving tourist industry has even sprung up in Tibet.
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  15191.  @bartonlee3594  "神州 Shenzhou Have you ever been to Singapore? I used to live there." So who voted for Halima Yacob, the current President of Singapore? How can Singapore be considered a democracy when the President of Singapore wasn't elected into power? Ai Weiwei is a Chinese dissident, not a Singaporean dissident. Whereas Francis Seow was one, and he wasn't allowed to return to his country. PAP may lose ground, but it doesn't change the fact that Singapore has been under PAP for 57 years, much like China being under the CPC for 72 years. Also, I've quoted Human Rights Watch view that "Singapore’s political environment is overwhelmingly repressive and their citizens face severe restrictions on free expression, association, and peaceful assembly" so by claiming Singapore is a democracy, are you saying that HRW is wrong in their assessment of Singapore? You said: "it bends to the will of the people. The CPC could do the same thing if the Princeling Class wasn’t afraid of the Chinese citizenry." What makes you think the CPC doesn't? In 2022, Beijing wanted to implement a V-mandate, but scrapped the idea after backlash from Chinese netizens. Whereas the Canadian Truckers protesting over mandates had their bank accounts frozen by the Canadian government. As for Saudi Arabia, the lower class people have risen to become middle income (even high income) and yet Saudi Arabia is still an absolute monarchy, so how does your analysis that middle-class people want democracy? It throws your entire argument off.
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  15225. +Simon The Sunshine policy adopted by South Korea was good attempt mend relations, but it was probably USA that cast a shadow over it. USA did not support that policy as President Bush had called North Korea an "Axis of Evil". Soon afterwards, South Korean leadership was replaced in 2008, and the policy was discontinued, which pleased USA. Next year in 2009, North Korea began its nuclear missile testing. I can't speak for North Korea, but it is most likely they saw South Korea's new leader attempting to placate its relations with USA. USA also probably has an interest to keep Korea divided. Like I mentioned previous, while China has no military base in N. Korea, S. Korea is host to some 28,500 American soldiers, sailors, airmen and Marines in S. Korea. If Korea was unified, USA would be forced withdraw its forces from Korea, losing strategic region against China in East Asia. No one can predict whether a unified Korea will side with China or USA, but China is regional neighbor, whereas USA is on other side of the globe. Historically, Korea was unified country under Joseon dynasty, but after Japanese conquered it and was defeated, Korea was suddenly divided into North Korea (USSR) and South Korea (USA). North Korea emerged in a superior position during that period and while you consider it an invasion by North Korea, they saw it as civil war to reunify Korea. How can a country invade itself? Are the North and South separate sovereign countries or just halves of a single country? Who gives foreigners the right to decide divide a unified country just like that? North Korea almost succeeded in unifying Korea (about 90%) but then USA joined the Korean War (which should have been internal civil war, decided by Koreans) against it, and pushed it all the way back, past the 38 parallel and into North Korean territory. When USA and S. Korean forces was at the doorsteps of China, did China finally intervened because we did not want another US puppet like Japan. And lastly, China could probably easily solve this problem by invading N. Korea and annexing it as part of China, and through development, modernize N. Korea to modern standards. USA wouldn't protest such invasion by China against US enemy. S. Korea might protest, but it would torn between N. Korea who is enemy, but is part of Korean territory, and China who is foreign invader of Korea, but attacking S. Korea's enemy. Ultimately, S. Korea might even welcome Chinese invasion of N. Korea. But China wouldn't do that, because it damage reputation and relations with Korea. Assassinate Kim also doesn't automatically mean N. Korea will install Chinese puppet. Look at Kim killing his uncle and half-brother to foil Chinese attempts to control N. Korean leadership. Installing a puppet is not easy, and even then the "puppet" may not be accepted by the people. Look at USA cutting of the heads of countries in Middle East (Gaddafi, Saddam Husein, etc) and installing their own US puppets. In the end, the situation is not improved significantly.
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  15251.  @quekjoseph8156  According to your Hot Air Balloon Source: wikipedia.org/wiki/Hot_air_balloon#History A precursor of the hot air balloon was the sky lantern (simplified Chinese: 孔明灯; traditional Chinese: 孔明燈). Zhuge Liang of the Shu Han kingdom, during the Three Kingdoms era (220–280 CE), used these airborne lanterns for military signaling. Ancient Chinese invented gunpowder and gunpowder weapons like handcannons, handgrenades, fragmentation bombs, landmines, naval mines, exploding cannonballs, rocket launchers, multi-launch rockets, and of course, fireworks. Americans celebrate the 4th of July with Chinese inventions, and world's oldest conformed surviving firearm is the Heilongjiang 黑龙江 handcannon, manufactured no later than 1288. Source: Heilongjiang hand cannon wikipedia.org/wiki/Heilongjiang_hand_cannon A 14th-century military treatise, the Huolongjing (Fire Dragon Manual), describes hollow cast iron cannonball shells filled with gunpowder. The wad of the mine was made of hard wood, carrying three different fuses in case of defective connection to the touch hole. Source: Landmine wikipedia.org/wiki/Land_mine#Gunpowder Chinese records tell of naval explosives in the 16th century, used to fight against Japanese pirates (wokou) wikipedia.org/wiki/Naval_mine#History Source: The earliest rocket launchers documented in imperial China consisted of arrows modified by the attachment of a rocket motor to the shaft a few inches behind the arrowhead. wikipedia.org/wiki/Rocket_launcher#History Source: The first multiple rocket launchers were made during the mediaeval Chinese Song dynasty. wikipedia.org/wiki/Multiple_rocket_launcher#History
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  15308.  @valeenoi2284 You're saying 100's of millions starved to death in China back during 50's? China's population in 1950s was around 500 million, so you're saying that China lost more than 20% of our population? Then why is China currently the country with the world's largest population at 1.4 billion people? During 1960–2015, the population grew to nearly 1.4 billion. Under Mao Zedong, China nearly doubled in population from 540 million in 1949 to 969 million in 1979. So Europe and America took 200 to 300 years of capitalism, this begs the question: how many people died because of capitalism? What is the global death toll of capitalism? How many workers starved to death in poor working conditions since the Industrial Revolution in 1700-1800s? How many wars started because countries like Japan were eyeing China's resources because of capitalism? Many Westerners are eager to denounce the deaths under communism but reluctant to take a look at the death toll of capitalism. Even today, capitalism is killing people under Covid-19, as countries like USA and India rather sacrifice lives to save businesses. Whereas China's response to Covid-19 is to sacrifice businesses to save lives. As the world's most populous country, China has (statistically speaking) the most brainpower to come up with plans and ideas, as well as the most manpower to implement said plans and turn ideas into reality. Larger populations have more geniuses, and since China's population is 4x that of USA, there should be at least 4 Chinese geniuses to every 1 American genius. Source: China's Statistical Advantage: Large populations have more geniuses http://iiipublishing.com/blog/2018/06/blog_06_07_2018.html Consider two standard bell curves, say one with 1.4 billion people and one with 326 million. The number of average people in China is very close to 4.3 times the number of average people in the U.S. That is also true for those in the top 2% say, which produces scientists, the best business and government people, and the most competent computer programmers. Even there, China would have a 4.3 to 1 advantage, which would be quite an advantage, everything else being equal.
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  15531.  @catmandu6776  "神州 Shenzhou incorrect. It is not the country that hosts the Olympics... It's the city that hosts the Olympics not the country." Didn't you made it all about the country when you said: "@神州 Shenzhou wonder why a country the size of China would use the same city to host the Olympics for a second time?" In fact, my first post on this comment thread was about Beijing being officially the first city in the world to have the honor of hosting both the Summer and Winter Olympics, it's you who suddenly made it about the country, instead of the city. You said: "The United States doesn't need to use the same city in back to back Olympics especially only 14 years apart. Why would you when you have so many other options? " But since you believe that it's not about the country hosting the Olympics, then why do you care when a city hosts the Olympics twice? Both of us agreed that Los Angeles hosted the Olympics twice, then can't Beijing be the first to host both the Summer and Winter Olympics without being regarded as "nonsense" by you? And what's the time frame of 14 years even got to do with the argument? Countries all over the world bid for the Olympics, if USA took 44 years for Los Angeles to host the Olympics, it means that other countries won the bid during that period that's all. You said: "I said the United States has many cities capable of hosting both the winter and summer Olympics but I didn't say they should." And I'm saying Beijing is the first city to actually host both the Winter and Summer Olympics, where even US cities haven't done so, despite having the infrastructure (according to you). Since USA decided not to, then Beijing takes the award of being the first to do so. Yet you look down on it and claim it's "nonsense"?
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  15536.  @catmandu6776  But I wasn't talking about the country, only the city. I even specifically said in my 1st comment here that "Agreed. And now Beijing is officially the first city in the world to have the honor of hosting both the Summer Olympics (2008) and the Winter Olympics (2022).". In fact, you're the one who made it about the country when you said: "神州 Shenzhou wonder why a country the size of China would use the same city to host the Olympics for a second time?" now you suddenly turn around and said: "神州 Shenzhou incorrect. It is not the country that hosts the Olympics... It's the city that hosts the Olympics not the country.". So if anyone is contradicting themselves, it's apparently you. So the IOC accepted the bid for Beijing to host, then what's wrong with Beijing hosting twice? Since you accepted that LA and Lake Placid can host the Olympics twice, then can't Beijing do the same? You said: "Wonder why a country the size of China would choose the same city to host the Olympics again. It doesn't work that way in the United States." China is obviously not the United States, and neither is the U.S China, so why are you seemingly imposing the U.S standards onto China? If I'm not wrong, even Japan has hosted the Olympics in Tokyo twice. You said: "I think it's nonsense for people to be boasting about it." But Beijing has broken ground and made Olympic history by being the first to have the honor of hosting both the Summer and Winter Olympics, of which no other city have done so before. Even when you boasted that U.S cities have the infrastructure to host both types of Olympics, ultimately it was Beijing that was the first city to achieve this, so why is it nonsense?
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  15537.  @catmandu6776  "神州 Shenzhou I don't care that you were only talking about the city. I was talking about the country and I have made it very clear why I was talking about the country." But you later said: "神州 Shenzhou incorrect. It is not the country that hosts the Olympics... It's the city that hosts the Olympics not the country." so why'd you made it about the country, when I was originally talking about the city, Beijing? Everyone can see on this post, that I originally talked about the city, Beijing, it's you who started bringing up the country, China, yet you can't wrap your heard around this? You said: "I do not care about cities hosting two or even three times. I DO NOT CARE." Then why'd you said: "神州 Shenzhou wonder why a country the size of China would use the same city to host the Olympics for a second time? You want to spin it like it's a good thing but it's really not." All I said was that Beijing is officially the first city in the world to have the honor of hosting both the Summer and the Winter Olympics. You said: "With that said, I believe that it was a failure on the part of China. The same city hosting only 14 years apart? By the time LA host the Olympics in 2028, it will have been 44 years since LA last hosted and 2 other American cities have hosted since then." How is that a failure on the part of China? Whether it's 14 years or 44 years, depends on which city won the bid by the IOC. You yourself agreed that Olympic Committee accepted the bid for Beijing, then isn't it remarkable that in just a short span of 14 years, Beijing was able to host the Olympics twice? And both a Summer and Winter Olympic to boot. You said: "China had a golden opportunity to show the world more of their vast country and put another city on display for the world to see but failed to do so. They failed to do so, because Beijing is the only city in China that is capable of hosting an Olympics." But you yourself said that it's the city that hosts the Olympics, not the country. Also, do you have evidence that Beijing is the only city in China that is capable of hosting an Olympics? Otherwise, it's just your own speculation, just like your claim that U.S cities have the infrastructure to host both the Summer and Winter Olympics. You said: "That's not something to celebrate. It's sad really. I would be embarrassed if the Olympics was hosted within the United States twice in a 14 year time frame and same city was selected to host both times." Your feelings of embarrassment appear to be your own. Getting selected twice in just 14 year time frame as compared to a 44 year time, demonstrates that the city won the bid by the IOC in such a short time, and Beijing took it a step further by being the first in Olympic history to host both the Summer and Winter Olympics, that even U.S cities have not achieved despite having the infrastructure (according to you). How's that not a call for celebration?
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  15619.  @ArchesBro  I heard Singapore has pre-ordered or is in the process of buying at least four American F-35 fighter jets from the US military, although I'm not sure whether the transaction has taken place or in still in the works. Either way, I agree with you that such a purchase means that Singapore is tying their defense cooperation to the United States, since it makes them dependent on U.S maintenance of such advanced aircraft. You said: "Anyway, I'm disappointed that Peng Shuai appears to be pinned down by the Chinese government. Sexual misconduct is not limited to China." Peng Shuai has denied the allegations of sexual assault. I read Peng Shuai's post (full translation available on Reddit) and it appears that she consented to sex, and that she didn't make any allegations of sexual assault in her post. Peng Shuai wrote: "Taking into consideration the affection I had for you seven years ago, I agreed... yes, we had sex. Romantic attraction is such a complicated thing that explain it clearly. From that day on, I renewed my love for you. Throughout my time with you after that, purely based on our interactions, you were a very good person, and you treated me well." So according Peng Shuai's post, the sex is consensual and there appears to be misunderstanding in the Western media of sexual assault, when she did not make any such allegations. On 17th Nov, Peng Shuai confirmed this through an email to Steve Simon of WTA, saying that she was at home resting, that the allegation of sexual assault was not true, and that she was not missing. She also criticized the WTA for releasing what it claimed was unverified information about
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  15620.  @ArchesBro  Isn't nationalism the glue that holds a country's people together, especially during times of crisis? In the USA, there are many nationalistic slogans like "Make America Great Again!", "America First!" or "God Bless the United States of America!" because who else is going to fight for America, if not Americans themselves? But we need to distinguish between nationalism and patriotism. Patriotism is a love of country and devotion to a particular way of life, which one believes to be the best in the world but has no wish to force upon other people. Nationalism however, is a belief that not only is one's country's system and way of life is superior to all others in the world, but seeks to impose this system onto others at other's expense. I personally believe China's political system, while not perfect, it has shown to be viable for our country and extremely successful to boot. You said: "China is closing itself off from the world right now because it is about to experience intense economic pressure from the housing market bubble starting to pop and shrinking population." I don't feel that China is closing ourselves off. Next year, China is hosting the 2022 Beijing Winter Olympics, inviting athletes from countries to visit Beijing. UN figures show China was the largest recipient of new foreign direct investment in 2020, overtaking the US for the first time. The Chinese economy brought in 163 billion dollars compared to the 134 billion attracted by the United States. Video: China overtakes US as top country for foreign investment | DW News youtu.be/o-VHewwSz3A If anything, China is only closing ourselves off because the government observes a Zero Covid policy, while most of the rest of the world don't. Other than that, how is China closing ourselves off?
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  15622.  @ArchesBro  You said: "In the original post of hers, she doesn't allege rape, but that she didn't have a choice because of the power dynamic and she was pressured to have sex she didn't want, writing that she cried the entire time." Peng Shuai was initially upset at the beginning but she didn't cry the entire time because she had known Zhang Gaoli since before he became a Politburo Standing Committee member, and she recalled her feelings for him since seven years ago and that's why she consented to sex in the end. After that, she renewed her love for him and Zhang treated her well according to her words. Here's Peng Shuai's post again: Taking into consideration the affection I had for you seven years ago, I agreed... yes, we had sex. Romantic attraction is such a complicated thing that explain it clearly. From that day on, I renewed my love for you. Throughout my time with you after that, purely based on our interactions, you were a very good person, and you treated me well. We talking about recent history, as well as ancient eras. You educated me on so many topics, and we had discussions about economics, politics. We never ran out of things to talk about. We played chess, sang, played table tennis, played pool and also played tennis together. We always had endless fun. It was as if our personalities fit perfectly together. Here's a read through of the entire post by Peng Shuai video:youtu.be/cvTUvvePJYg You said: "This whole incident has totally destroyed the Chinese government's credibility" How did it destroy the Chinese government's credibility? As far as I know, the Chinese government has remained mostly silent on the issue of Peng Shuai and has not publicly commented on the issue. The closest comment said by the Ministry of Foreign Affairs spokesperson is that "China opposes the politicization of sports." You said: "Atleast in the USSR they were trying something new, socialism, and they thought it would work... until it didn't and it was a disaster" I don't believe the USSR was a disaster. Before the 1917 Communist Revolution, Russia was arguably the poorest country in Europe at that time. Only about 15% of the population lived in towns, and fewer than 10% worked in industry. 80% of Russia was agrarian, dominated by peasants whose traditional household economies were extremely inefficient compared to agriculture in Western Europe or the United States. Russia was technologically backward and lagged behind the more advanced Western European countries before the communist revolution. After the 1917 Communist Revolution by the Bolsheviks, the new Soviet Union rapidly grew to become arguably the strongest country in Europe at that time, both economically as well as militarily (that's one reason why NATO was formed in response to USSR's growing military might). The Soviet Union was also the world's 2nd largest economy (after the United States) during it's heyday from 1960 to 1965. Source: Soviet Union was world's 2nd largest economy from 1960-1965 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_largest_historical_GDP#By_average_values_of_GDP_(nominal) Such an ideology that transformed what was once arguably the poorest country in Europe to its strongest, and yet many Westerners only seem to look a the negative side of Marxism and communist ideology. The USSR eventually collapsed in late 1990s because they tried to adopt Western-style democracy and economic reforms too quickly.
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  15623.  @ArchesBro  "神州 Shenzhou Lol, the Olympic Committee is incredibly corrupt. Most likely the Chinese government gave the International Olympic Committee (IOC) a lot of money, so they get to host it." That's a serious accusation, do you actually have evidence that the Chinese government gave the IOC a lot of money so Beijing gets to host it? If not, then I'm afraid it's just your speculation without proof that's all. You said: "You don't believe me that CHina is closing itself off from the world? Im sure you know the rest of Chinese people arent allowed to use the internet the rest of the world uses, like YouTube. The Chinese government specifically created their internet system to prevent Chinese people from getting information from the outside world." I cited the 2022 Beijing Winter Olympics because it's an example of China opening up Beijing to international athletes from all over the world, so if China was closing up then Beijing wouldn't bother to host the Olympics at all. As for the Internet, China literally has the world's largest number of Internet users at 1 billion users. Here's a List of countries by number of Internet users: List of countries by number of Internet users 1. China: 1,010,740,000 users 2. India: 833,710,000 users 3. United States: 312,320,000 users 4. Indonesia: 212,354,070 users 5. Brazil: 160,010,801 users ... Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_number_of_Internet_users#Table As for YouTube, nobody will come arrest you just for login into YouTube while in China, which person has been arrested just for doing so? You asked: _"If China's system was successful, why is China so poor per capita compared to the entire region other than India? This can be explained by mathematics. China has to host the world's largest population at estimated 1.4 billion people. So if you're comparing GDP per capita, then if you divide our GDP by our enormous population, then of course you arrive at at low GDP per capita for China. The same goes for India having the world's 2nd largest population and that's why the GDP per capita for India is very low when you divide it by its enormous population. Because China and India are the world's 2 most populous country in the region. But what's interesting is that China managed to achieve a higher GDP per capita than India, despite India being a Western-style democracy and China having a larger population than India.
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  15624.  @ArchesBro  You said: 'Taiwan was liberated when the US ordered Japanese soldiers to return to the mainland and their economy boomed when the former government of China fled there." Taiwan's economic boom was achieved under authoritarian KMT rule. Taiwan had been under single-party KMT rule for more than half its life. For decades the KMT ruled Taiwan with iron fist and Chiang kai-shek was a dictator who jailed and executed dissidents and political rivals (whether real or perceived) in a period known as White Terror (白色恐怖) and imposed martial law on Taiwan for more than 38 years, which was qualified as "the longest imposition of martial law by a regime anywhere in the world" at that time. Source: White Terror (Taiwan) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Terror_(Taiwan) But under authoritarian single-party KMT rule, Taiwan actually flourished and prospered, in what's known as the Taiwan Miracle (台湾奇迹). Between 1952 – 1982, Taiwan's economic growth was on average 8.7%, and between 1983 – 1986 at 6.9%. Taiwan GDP grew by 360% between 1965 – 1986. The percentage of global exports was over 2% in 1986, over other recently industrialized countries, and the global industrial production output grew a further 680% between 1965 – 1986. And its all been achieved under KMT leadership. Only in the late 1990s, when democracy was introduced (because USA threatened to cut off weapons sales to Taiwan) did Taiwan's economic growth became more modest. Since then, Taiwan's economy has stagnated, wages are stagnant, cost of living is rising, unemployment is rising and Taiwan graduates are increasingly seeking jobs abroad, such as in Singapore or mainland China.
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  15625.  @ArchesBro  You said: "The Korean peninsula was involved in multiple conflicts and the Korean war in 1950 and it is still dramatically more wealthy than China." Korea was once a single unified country during Joseon Dynasty, until the Japanese invaded it and occupied it. After the 1945 WWII Japanese surrender, Korea was (needlessly) divided into North Korea (USSR) and South Korea (USA) and till today, the two Koreas have failed to reunify. By claiming the Korean Peninsula is dramatically more wealthy than China, are you comparing the per capita of both North and South Korea together? Also, initially S. Korea was dirt-poor country under democracy, and their economic boom was achieved under S. Korean dictator Park Chung-hee, who began a series of economic policies that brought rapid economic growth and industrialization to the nation that eventually became known as the Miracle on the Han River. (漢江의 奇蹟). When Park first came to power in 1961, S. Korea's per capita income was only US$72.00 and N. Korea was the greater economic and military power on the peninsula due to the North's history of heavy industries. One of Park's main goals was to end the poverty of S. Korea, and lift the country up from being a Third World economy to a First World economy via etatist methods, using the Soviet Union and its Five Year Plans as a model. Park is credited with playing a pivotal role in the development of South Korea's tiger economy by shifting its focus to export-oriented industrialisation. But despite his modernizing of S. Korea, Park was also a dictator. On 1972, Park declared martial law and amended the constitution into a highly authoritarian document, called the Yushin Constitution and during this time, political opposition and dissent was constantly repressed and Park had complete control of the military, and much control over the media. You can read more about Park here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Park_Chung-hee Suffice to say, S. Korea's industrialization and economic boom was achieved mostly under authoritarian dictatorship of Park Chung-hee
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  15626.  @ArchesBro  You said: "Japan's cities were completely burned by US firebombing and nuclear attacks before they surrendered, and they are dramatically more wealthy per person." Japan's industrialization occurred much earlier than either China's or Korea's. Japan first modernized during the Meiji Restoration (明治維新) and this was achieved not through democracy but under the authoritarian monarchy of Emperor Meiji (for which the period is named after). The individual powers held by feudal lords in the Shogunate (feudal lords) were consolidated under the Japanese Emperor, and as Japan rapidly industrialized, many old Japanese traditions (such as the Samurai Class) were abolished as they were seen as obsolete. Meiji Restoration https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meiji_Restoration (The disenfranchised Samurai class rebelled against this and you can watch Tom Cruise in Hollywood's The Last Samurai where the remaining Samurai fought against an increasingly modern Imperial Japanese army) Suffice to day, Japan actually modernized way earlier than China and Korea, that's why shortly after Meiji Restoration, Imperial Japan became Asia's most powerful economy and military at the start of WWII. After WWII, Japan's economy suffered yes, but because Japan had a history of industrialization, they were able to bounce back quickly. And it should be noted that Japan's industrialization occurred under authoritarian monarchy of Japanese emperor, not under democracy. You said: "The answer is simple, with Russian influence, they tried socialism under that moron Mao and it destroyed the country's economy," Chairman Mao Zedong is the founding father of the People's Republic of China 🇨🇳 and he succeeded in the herculean task of reunifying our divided country where the previous Nationalist Kuomintang failed during the Republic of China 🇹🇼 (1912-1949) for 37 years. Back when Dr Sun Zhongshan overthrew the previous Qing Dynasty China and established "democratic" Republic of China (1912-1949) China was divided into several areas, we lost control of Tibet, and various warlords ruled different parts of China and even Japan invaded China twice during this weak period of Chinese history. Dr. Sun tried to get help from the Western powers, but they laughed at the thought of China copying their democracy. They even gave away the Shandong province (which had been occupied by the Germans during WWI) to Japan, instead of returning it to China (even when China was part of the Allies during WWI). In the end, Dr. Sun died without ever realising a unified China under democracy. But then Mao Zedong came along, and he accomplished what the ROC could not, and reunifed China under communism, proclaiming the People's Republic of China in 1949 and Tibet was finally returned back to China in 1951. If not for Mao Zedong, China today would still be weak and divided country, fighting among ourselves, instead of the strong unified country we are today.
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  15661. More than 20 years ago, Ukraine divorced her ex-husband (Russia), and took several children along with her. Still, the ex-husband was very accommodating to her and left her with a lot of family property. After that, the ex-husband also paid off more than 200 billion in debts for her. After getting rid of her ex-husband, Ukraine started flirting with the village chief (United States) and his harem of concubines (NATO countries) until she was completely ensnared in their arms. That's still acceptable to a certain point, (but) she was smitten with the village tyrant, and hooked up with him in a plan to attack her ex-husband. The ex-husband was very angry and had insisted on returning a child: Crimea. Ukraine began to harboring grudges against her ex-husband, and dreams of someday marrying into the NATO family. But the truth is that the village chief didn't really want to marry Ukraine into the family. After all, she was high-maintenance and loved to pocket his money (corruption). His many wives also didn't want Ukraine to join family, but in front of Ukraine, they were all smiles and encouraging her to join. The village chief just wanted to use her like a pawn to bully her ex-husband. After 8 years of constant abuse, her two children (Donetsk and Luhansk) were crying and imploring for help from their father. The village chief was always on the sidelines in the ex-husband and wife quarrel, occasionally sending in expired items (ammunition) from time to time. Because of that, Ukraine thought she had someone to support her, and became even more presumptuous towards her ex-husband. The ex-husband could bear it no longer, took another glance at the poor treatment of the children, and rushed over in defense of his two children, so the ex husband and wife started fighting. Now, the village chief and his many wives are cheering on Ukraine from the sidelines, yet none of them are willing to lift an actual finger and partake in the fighting themselves. Ukraine is unlikely to marry into the NATO family, because that would mean that the village chief and his many wives would be obliged to join the fight against the ex-husband. ... Hopefully this analogy taken off Weibo helps puts the Russo-Ukraine conflict into perspective and on a more relatable level.
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  15687.  @laserraiset3300  "神州 Shenzhou saudi arabia not only oil producers and who invented drill deep technologies, oil refine technologies" -The technique of oil drilling through percussion or rotary drilling has its origins dating back to the ancient Chinese Han Dynasty in 100 BC, where percussion drilling was used to extract natural gas in the Sichuan province. ...(Source: Wikipedia: Drilling Rig) -The use of petroleum in ancient China dates back to more than 2000 years ago...In addition, the Chinese were the first to record the use of petroleum as fuel as early as the fourth century BCE. By 347 CE, oil was produced from bamboo-drilled wells in China. ... (Source: Wikipedia: Petroleum) The earliest record of well drilling dates from 347 AD in China. Petroleum was used in ancient China for "lighting, as a lubricant for cart axles and the bearings of water-powered drop hammers, as a source of carbon for inksticks, and as a medical remedy for sores on humans and mange in animals." In ancient China, deep well drilling machines were in the forefront of brine well production by the 1st century BC. The ancient Chinese developed advanced sinking wells and were the first civilization to use a well-drilling machine and to use bamboo well casings to keep the holes open. ... (Source: Wikipedia: Well drilling) _ In ancient China, gas resulting from the drilling for brines was first used by about 400 BC. The Chinese transported gas seeping from the ground in crude pipelines of bamboo to where it was used to boil salt water to extract the salt in the Ziliujing District of Sichuan._ ... (Source: Wikipedia: Natural gas) The Chinese have been using brine wells and a form of salt solution mining as part of their civilization for more than 2000 years. The first recorded salt well in China was dug in the Sichuan province around 2,250 years ago. ... (Source: Wikipedia: Salt Well)
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  15693. Michael S. "Anyways learning your language is much more difficult...The only other languages you'd have a hard time with are the ones with lots of characters, like Japanese, and ancient Egyptian or Sumerian." China has 5000 years of history and is among the world's oldest "continuous" civilizations still alive today, whereas other great ancient civilizations like Mesopotamia, Rome and Egypt have since faded to history. The Chinese written language has been continuously in use since 1200 BCE whereas other ancient languages like Sumerian Cuneiform, Latin and Egyptian Hieroglyphs are considered "dead" languages today. About speaking broken English in America, don't the local Americans consider these people who speak broken English as "non-Americans" or "foreigners"? Your Russian, Romanian and Chinese neighbours, do the local Americans consider them to be Americans? Have they bothered to learn English well and attempt to assimilate into American culture, rather than retain their own culture? If they didn't, then local Americans will tend to consider them foreigners living in America (even when they lived in USA for 30 years like you said) Since the same thing happens in USA, then why can't I say laowhy and serpentza don't consider China their homeland, or Chinese people their fellow countrymen? Integration is a matter of choice and effort, and people who don't make an effort (like those Russians, Romanians, Chinese in America that you mentioned), they aren't making attempts to Americanize themselves. That's why Americans tend to get frustrated with those people. Its the same in China. You said "Plus Mandarin is super super super difficult." Then likewise, I can also say English is super super super difficult. Difficulty is relative. Most Chinese can't speak English well, even Japanese and Koreans tend to speak horrible English. Look at the Russians and Romanians you mentioned having difficulty with English while in America. Wouldn't you say English is a difficult language too?
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  15694. +Michael S. Exactly. Most Americans (but not all) start labeling people who look exotic or speak broken English as foreigners in America and its the same thing in China. Just like those Russians and Romanians you mentioned, they are bound to be considered foreigners by Americans (whether they voice it or not) because of their poor English, despite living in USA for 30 years. The thing about USA is that there is so much stuff you simply cannot say and everyone is afraid speaking openly, because of a new phenomenon called "political correctness". This PC culture means people can't voice their true opinions, because its not the politically correct thing to do. For example, progressives in USA advocate LGBT rights, and people who speak out against LGBT get "shamed" (even when it might be their true opinion) The Transgender bathroom issue can be open to possible abuse by male sexual predators dressing up in order to sneak into women's bathroom. But because LGBT rights is considered "progressive" that many Americans join in without considering the possible consequences. But enough about America and I don't want to open a can of worms about LGBT issues. And yes, Chinese people aren't known for being politically correct. Its true that China has a common goal. Americans have the American Dream, where any poor immigrant to America can some day, strike it rich and become successful. The Chinese Dream is the eventual rejuvenation of China and in fact, the CCP put up many 5-year plans, 10-year plans, 15-year plans, 20-year plans etc, to map our China's future in 2020, 2030, 2040 and to achieve specific goals by then. In my opinion, its much better to have a plan and a goal to achieve and to slowly work towards it. About learning a new language, it helps when in your entire environment, everyone is speaking it. Because America is so diverse, not everybody speaks English and that may account for why people speak broken English in America. Whereas in China, everything is in Chinese, including the signs, the menus, the stations names, yet serpentza and laowhy still only have basic understanding of Chinese language? Even after living in China for 10-15 years? Even their Chinese wives have to speak English to them (probably most of the time too) because they themselves refuse to integrate into actual Chinese culture. Especially while living in Chinese soil. If they were living in American soil, then I'll have nothing to say about that.
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  15695. Michael S. Its not just the language alone, its the fact that serpentza and laowhy don't make an effort to understand Chinese culture enough (language is merely the means to better understand Chinese culture) and all I want is to promote better understanding between our cultures is all. Sure, their lack of Mandarin proficiency won't impact Mandarin-speaking Chinese here much. But on the other hand, their English will influence their subscribers's opinion of China, and like I said recently, most of their latest videos have been largely negative about China, and frankly, I'm sick of them constantly complaining about China while residing in China. For example, one of serpentza's quirks is that he creates this whole "evil uncle" conspiracy, highlighting Chinese people looking at him and labeling them for staring at him. But look at serpentza, he dresses in a suit and sunglasses, (while the other Chinese around him are dressed casually) and he speaks loudly in unfamiliar English to his phone. So Chinese people are bound to stare at him (because of his dress and his language) and then he tags them as "evil" in his videos. Over the years, I've come to the conclusion that these two people don't mean China any good, and they mean China harm instead. Every video, they won't hesitate to criticise (even over the most minor issues) and yet, their subscribers continue to praise them (Patreon members make donations too) Its your America's choice if you want to call people who blame foreigners as "racists". But lets get real here, some of America's problems stem from just readily accepting immigrants into their country. For example, Muslims refugees often immigrate to America. But many Muslims continue to retain their religious beliefs like wearing Muslim veils for the women, instead of adapting to America's majority Christian religion. This creates social tensions, but the Americans can't voice their opinion (because they will be labelled as Islamophobes for doing so). Why can't people just be honest with themselves? Why hide behind the need to appear "politically correct"? Also, as far as I know, no Chinese blames serpentza for China's internal problems like pollution, corruption, food poisoning, etc. Chinese people are well aware of these problems and taking steps to fix it (such as the government planing to ban all non-electric cars by 2040 for example). But then, laowhy and serpentza will continue to nitpick and find faults with everything we do. About hating your neighbour because he has a nicer car or a nice house, I don't think Chinese people envy serpentza's or laowhy's position. They don't have Chinese citizenship, they drive modest cars and they live in apartments where the Immigration Department can call upon to inspect their VISAs. Also its not that Chinese people don't want to "work together" with serpentza and laowhy, but how to work together when serpentza and laowhy refuse to assimilate into Chinese culture? For example, does serpentza and laowhy ever team up with a local Chinese (who isn't their wives) to make a video together? Some Chinese subscribers drop by and appear in their videos once in a while, but you never get to hear their views. In the end, serpentza, laowhy, prozzie tend to stick to the same old groups instead. Like I said previously in my last paragraph: They themselves refuse to integrate into actual Chinese culture, especially while in Chinese soil. If they were on American soil instead, then I'll have nothing to say.
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  15784.  @adamzz9908  You just contradicted yourself you know? First, you asked: "Uighurs are 中国人 so how are they treated differently from normal 汉族?" and next you said the Communist Party of China wants to make the next generation of Uighurs to think like Normal Chinese ethnic (汉族) so how are Uighurs treated differently from normal 汉族, you tell me? I mean, Mandarin Chinese (汉字) is the national language of China, so what's wrong teaching both 汉族 and Uighurs Mandarin Chinese? What's wrong with teaching Uighurs Chinese history, just like teaching 汉族 Chinese history? We are all Chinese nationals (中国人) after all! Xinjiang Uighur Autonomous Region was part of Han dynasty China (200 BC) even before Islam itself was born and the Uighurs weren't even originally Muslims in the first place and Uighurs had their own vibrant culture before the Islamic invaders conquered the region and converted the Uighurs to Islam. Just search online for pictures of "Uighurs girls" and see how beautiful they look garbed in their traditional Uighur costume. Why Islam wants cover up Uighur women's natural beauty with the ulgy, black, Muslim headveil? That's not the true Uighur culture. Who said that Uighurs aren't allowed to travel between cities? You lived in China for 6 years, then which part of our vast country did you visit? There are Uighurs living outside of Xinjiang. Beijing has a population of Uighur people. As of 2007, Beijing has both first generation Uighurs who arrived in Beijing and second generation Uighurs who perceive of themselves as Beijingers. Source: Uyghurs in Beijing wikipedia.org/wiki/Uyghurs_in_Beijing So why do you claim that Uighurs can't travel to other cities in China?
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  15839. @Arkangel Flights "神州 Shenzhou Wait so you are saying free media is bad???" In a sense yes. Because Indian media is unregulated, the Indian media is stoking Indian nationalism by martyring the deaths of Indian soldiers, and this resulted in Indians trashing Chinese products and increased anti-China sentiment, resulting in escalation of tensions at the border, possibly leading to open conflict (which would not be in both our country's interest. Whereas in China's regulated media, since the death toll is not released, many Chinese do not harbor anti-Indian sentiment, so this results in de-escalation of tension at the border, so isn't Chinese censorship beneficial in this regard? " So to protect China's image it is better to make sure that the families, the people of china, have no idea about the soldiers who sacrificed for their countries." The PLA soldier's families and relative can hold their own private funerals, but like I asked earlier: What's the point of releasing death toll figures? Perhaps a some time later, when the Sino-Indian tensions have cooled, then death toll figures could be released to the public, but as of right now, what's the purpose of releasing those figures publicly? That would only stir up anti-Indian sentiment among Chinese (like what's happening in India with anti-China sentiment) then how would this be beneficial to our countries? "And Indians have every right to trash chinese products and boycott your goods." Well, technically they can destroy Chinese goods that they already paid for and it's their choice to boycott Chinese goods. But what concerns me is the rising anti-China sentiment in India, possibly targeting Chinese citizens (or people who look Chinese) in India. This is the problem with stirring up anti-China sentiment in other countries. "You guys have time and time tried to invade them." Actually, even Indian PM Modi has publicly said that "Chinese troops did not enter Indian territory and no posts were taken" so what invasion are you talking about? Video: No One Entered Indian Territory: PM Narendra Modi's Big Message To China Over LAC Standoff youtu.be/5xlQwO8tWmM
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  15897.  @TPELaoY  You said: "Pleeeease save me the ancient Chinese wisdom lecture. China’s economy is faltering." Here's what western magazines have been saying about China since 1990: 1990. The Economist: China's economy has come to a halt. 1996. The Economist: China's economy will face a hard landing. 1998. The Economist: China's economy entering a dangerous period of sluggish growth. 1999. Bank of Canada: Likelihood of a hard landing for the Chinese economy. 2000. Chicago Tribune: China currency move nails hard landing risk coffin. 2001. Wilbanks, Smith & Thomas: A hard landing in China. 2002. Westchester University: China Anxiously Seeks a Soft Economic Landing. 2003. New York Times: Banking crisis imperils China. 2004. The Economist: The great fall of China? 2005. Nouriel Roubini: The Risk of a Hard Landing in China. 2006. International Economy: Can China Achieve a Soft Landing? 2007. TIME: Is China's Economy Overheating? Can China avoid a hard landing? 2008. Forbes: Hard Landing In China? 2009. Fortune: China's hard landing. China must find a way to recover. 2010: Nouriel Roubini: Hard landing coming in China. 2011: Business Insider: A Chinese Hard Landing May Be Closer Than You Think. 2012: American Interest: Dismal Economic News from China: A Hard Landing. 2013: Zero Hedge: A Hard Landing In China. 2014. CNBC: A hard landing in China. 2015. Forbes: Congratulations, You Got Yourself A Chinese Hard Landing. 2016. The Economist: Hard landing looms for China. 2017. National Interest: Is China's Economy Going To Crash. 2018. The Daily Reckoning: China's Coming Financial Meltdown. 2019. BBC: China's Economic Slowdown: How worried should we be? 2020. New York Times: Coronavirus Could End China's Decades-Long Economic Growth Streak. 2021. Bloomberg: Chinese economy risks deeper slowdown than markets realize. 2022. Bloomberg: China Surprise Data Could Spell RECESSION. 2023. Bloomberg: No word should be off-limits to describe China's faltering economy. ... Yet it's already 2024 and China's economy is still going strong.
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  15898.  @TPELaoY  You said: "Pleeeease save me the ancient Chinese wisdom lecture. China’s economy is faltering." Here's what western magazines have been saying about China since 1990: 1990. The Economist: China's economy has come to a halt. 1996. The Economist: China's economy will face a hard landing. 1998. The Economist: China's economy entering a dangerous period of sluggish growth. 1999. Bank of Canada: Likelihood of a hard landing for the Chinese economy. 2000. Chicago Tribune: China currency move nails hard landing risk coffin. 2001. Wilbanks, Smith & Thomas: A hard landing in China. 2002. Westchester University: China Anxiously Seeks a Soft Economic Landing. 2003. New York Times: Banking crisis imperils China. 2004. The Economist: The great fall of China? 2005. Nouriel Roubini: The Risk of a Hard Landing in China. 2006. International Economy: Can China Achieve a Soft Landing? 2007. TIME: Is China's Economy Overheating? Can China avoid a hard landing? 2008. Forbes: Hard Landing In China? 2009. Fortune: China's hard landing. China must find a way to recover. 2010: Nouriel Roubini: Hard landing coming in China. 2011: Business Insider: A Chinese Hard Landing May Be Closer Than You Think. 2012: American Interest: Dismal Economic News from China: A Hard Landing. 2013: Zero Hedge: A Hard Landing In China. 2014. CNBC: A hard landing in China. 2015. Forbes: Congratulations, You Got Yourself A Chinese Hard Landing. 2016. The Economist: Hard landing looms for China. 2017. National Interest: Is China's Economy Going To Crash. 2018. The Daily Reckoning: China's Coming Financial Meltdown. 2019. BBC: China's Economic Slowdown: How worried should we be? 2020. New York Times: Coronavirus Could End China's Decades-Long Economic Growth Streak. 2021. Bloomberg: Chinese economy risks deeper slowdown than markets realize. 2022. Bloomberg: China Surprise Data Could Spell RECESSION. 2023. Bloomberg: No word should be off-limits to describe China's faltering economy. ... Yet it's already 2024 and China's economy is still going strong.
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  15899.  @TPELaoY  "Pleeeease save me the ancient Chinese wisdom lecture. China’s economy is faltering." You rather trust what western journals been saying about China's economy since 1990? 1990. The Economist: China's economy has come to a halt. 1996. The Economist: China's economy will face a hard landing. 1998. The Economist: China's economy entering a dangerous period of sluggish growth. 1999. Bank of Canada: Likelihood of a hard landing for the Chinese economy. 2000. Chicago Tribune: China currency move nails hard landing risk coffin. 2001. Wilbanks, Smith & Thomas: A hard landing in China. 2002. Westchester University: China Anxiously Seeks a Soft Economic Landing. 2003. New York Times: Banking crisis imperils China. 2004. The Economist: The great fall of China? 2005. Nouriel Roubini: The Risk of a Hard Landing in China. 2006. International Economy: Can China Achieve a Soft Landing? 2007. TIME: Is China's Economy Overheating? Can China avoid a hard landing? 2008. Forbes: Hard Landing In China? 2009. Fortune: China's hard landing. China must find a way to recover. 2010: Nouriel Roubini: Hard landing coming in China. 2011: Business Insider: A Chinese Hard Landing May Be Closer Than You Think. 2012: American Interest: Dismal Economic News from China: A Hard Landing. 2013: Zero Hedge: A Hard Landing In China. 2014. CNBC: A hard landing in China. 2015. Forbes: Congratulations, You Got Yourself A Chinese Hard Landing. 2016. The Economist: Hard landing looms for China. 2017. National Interest: Is China's Economy Going To Crash. 2018. The Daily Reckoning: China's Coming Financial Meltdown. 2019. BBC: China's Economic Slowdown: How worried should we be? 2020. New York Times: Coronavirus Could End China's Decades-Long Economic Growth Streak. 2021. Bloomberg: Chinese economy risks deeper slowdown than markets realize. 2022. Bloomberg: China Surprise Data Could Spell RECESSION. 2023. Bloomberg: No word should be off-limits to describe China's faltering economy. ... Yet it's already 2024 and China's economy is still going strong.
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  16018.  @ThatBoomerDude56  "神州 Shenzhou Again you equate the existence of buildings with "culture." It's really sad that you have no appreciation of actual culture and art." China's museums are among the most visited museums in the world, here's a list of the most-visited museums in the world: 1. Louvre (France Paris): 2,700,000 visitors per year 2. National Museum of China (Beijing, China): 1,600,000 visitors per year 3. Tate Modern (London, United Kingdom): 1,433,000 visitors per year 4. Shanghai Science and Technology Museum (Shanghai, China): 1,351,000 visitors per year 5. Vatican Museums (Vatican City): 1,300,000 visitors per year 6. British Museum (London,United Kingdom ): 1,275,000 visitors per year 7. Museo Reina Sofía (Madrid, Spain): 1,248,000 visitors per year 8. Russian Museum (Saint Petersburg, Russia): 1,203,324 visitors per year 9. National Gallery (London,United Kingdom): 1,197,000 visitors per year 10. Natural History Museum (London, United Kingdom): 1,197,000 visitors per year 11. Metropolitan Museum of Art (New York City, United States): 1,125,000 visitors per year 12. Hunan Museum (Changsha, China): 1,130,000 visitors per year 13. Shanghai Natural History Museum (Shanghai, China): 1,040,000 visitors per year 14. Zhejiang Museum (Hangzhou, China): 1,108,000 visitors per year 15. National Taiwan Science Education Center (Taipei, China): 1,082,000 visitors per year ... Source:wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_most-visited_museums#List Yet what makes you claim the China's history, tradition and culture is utterly destroyed beyond semblance? And you claim Taiwan island has more ancient culture than the mainland? How? Where's the Hanfu Movement in Taiwan as compared to the mainland?
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  16028.  @bradlys4978  You said: "Read and learn who is the most judgemental and racist. it's not the west. it's China. Who is the bully? think" Westerners are literally judging China from afar, even though many of them never actually set foot in China and seen what life is like for themselves. They assume Chinese people are oppressed under our government yet you're claiming China is the judgemental one? As for being racist, one need not look any further than the sheer number of anti-Asian hate crimes being committed against Asian Americans, Asian Australians, Asian Canadians, etc in comparison to anti-Anglo Saxxon hate crimes in China. Yet you're claiming China is the racist one? As for bullying, China is currently at peace and not at war with any country, since our last major conflict in 1979. Instead of making war, China is building infrastructure like roads, railways, highways, bridges, tunnels, powerstations, dams, ports, airports, etc and investing in developing countries like Sri Lanka, Nepal, Bangladesh, Pakistan, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Tajikistan, and also African countries like Nigeria, Kenya, Chad, Sudan, Ghana, Mozambique, Tanzania, etc. Whereas the United States is warmonger being involved in Gulf War, Iraq War, Afghan War, Libyan War, Syrian War, Yemen War, etc, even in the 21st century. USA is bombing in those Middle Eastern countries and enacting regime change by cutting off their "heads" (Saddam Hussein, Muammar Gaddafi, etc) and then installing their own US puppet governments in place. If anything, it looks like the USA is the real bully here and a threat to global peace and stablity.
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  16040.  @bradlys4978  You said: "I think the two sides causing unneeded tensions with each other has made neutral people like me deal with unreasonable name calling by Chinese people on this channel and also many more other channels." You mentioned "unreasonable name calling by Chinese people" on this channel, but again, how do you know if such people are Chinese mainlanders in the first place? It's like you're jumping to conclusions who these people are, and then claiming China is judgemental and racist (those are your words) but you don't even know the background of these commenters on this channel, you're just assuming that they're Chinese mainlanders that's all. "It seems more and more that the Chinese are becoming the negative ones and the west is slowing down and making more valid arguments lately." Many Chinese have been overseas as tourists and international students, and we've seen the sheer amount of anti-China propaganda in the West, and the judging of China from afar by Westerners, many of whom never actually set foot into China and seen what life is like here for themselves, then how to become cynical of whatever the Western media says? I too had the opportunity to study abroad and I too was appalled at the anti-China sentiment in the West. Whenever I bring up China's positive achievements under the Communist Party to Westerners, many of them (but not all) just laugh at me, called me brainwashed or a communist party shill, and told me to "Go back to China if you like it there!" and they act like they know more about China even though they've never actually been. I don't know of any valid arguments that the West been making lately. It's apparent that America is in decline and China is rising, and the USA is just trying to get its allies to contain China's rise that's all.
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  16043.  @bradlys4978  "神州 Shenzhou Because he is not the only one. There are many Chinese with the same attitude as he has. Yet your talking to me about it? strange." But you've repeatedly said that you've previously been to China and talked to Chinese people here, then how can you be sure that there are many Chinese with the same attitude? Do you have proof that all those posts made by negative Chinese are in fact Chinese people? Then how can you claim China is judgemental and racist? "I like to pick the negative one to comment to. I usually read the comments and make a remark to the one's that usually spread hate." Firstly, if you support the fact that many people can say negative things about China, then similarly, can't people also point out negative things about the West and other countries? You repeatedly said that Ben Pang made "racist comments" but I scrolled through this comment thread and where did he ever made such a racist comment against other countries? Could you please point them out for me? "There is plenty if you look. Don't look with your eyes closed. actually read all the comments my friend, just scroll and pick a random spots. you will see the many Chinese spreading hate and war messages." Take Ben Pang for example, he's pointing out that USA has 800 bases around the world, and while this is a negative view, it isn't racist or warmongering, because those bases do exist whether he comments on them or not. He also said US should stand trial for war crimes first, and I mean, this is negative about the US, but certainly not racist, so what racist comment did Ben Pang made? And do you even have proof that Ben Pang is a Chinese mainlander in the first place? I looked like you assumed he was American pretending to be Chinese and spreading hate, then why are you seemingly falling for this trap yourself, and assuming Chinese are like that? I thought you repeatedly said that you've previously been to China and talked to people here. I mean, point out what comment made here supposedly made by Chinese that's spreading hate and war messages? I pick @cheongseek sam and he says: "let's get the facts right, China has been the keeper of peace while the American led Anglo-Saxon groups were busy killing Muslims... For more than 40 years the Chinese have not involved in any war" then what's wrong with his post, assuming that he is indeed Chinese?
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  16049.  @bradlys4978  Previously, while Tibet was under Dalai Lama rule, Tibet was a brutal theocracy, where 95% of the population were slaves and the remaining 5% elites were slave owners. Tibetan mountainous soil is infertile, rainfall is scarce in the Himalayas, so the slaves had to work hard to feed the Tibetan population. Starvation was commonplace and theft of food was punished by torture, amputation and even skinning. There's this Tibetan drum called damaru that's made from human skulls, a drumskin made of human skin and drumstick made of human bone. The Dalai Lama was overly worshipped and his followers fought for the right to consume his saliva, his urine and even his feces, because he was considered a divine vessel. After Tibet returned back to China, Chinese workers began rapidly modernising Tibet, building roads, railways, streetlamps, running water, gas and electricity as well as introducing modern amenities like cars, computers, telephone cables, smartphones, the Internet, WiFi, online shopping (from Taobao) and so on. Under CPC, the first Tibetan colleges opened in Lhasa, offering degrees in both Tibetan and Mandarin Chinese languages. Hydroelectric powerstations were built by Chinese to supply Tibetan homes with electricity. Chinese workers built the Qinghai-Lhasa railway (world's highest elevation railway) through dangerous mountainous terrain and low oxygen environments, to connect the normally isolated Tibet with the rest of the world. Tibet can now import food from the mainland to feed its population, and Tibet's population has tripled from 1 million in 1950s to over 3 million people today. A thriving tourist industry has even sprung up in Tibet.
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  16054.  @bradlys4978  "神州 Shenzhou Peng Shuai: How China censored a tennis star. so this is good honest news." Peng Shuai is trying to keep a low profile after her previous relationship with a much older man has been revealed. She recently had a video call with IOC where she expressed the desire for privacy, yet the WTA is demanding that she appear in public to bare her private life for all the world to see. "Just like Dr Li Wenliang, who was hailed a hero for raising the alarm about the coronavirus in the early days of the outbreak, then censored off all Chinese media." As far as I know, Dr Li Wenliang is still being hailed as a hero inside China. In April 2020, Dr Li was posthumously awarded the May Fourth Medal by the government, so who said he is censored off all Chinese media? Have you actually log into Chinese media to confirm your claims? "now I look at you as dishonest and a fool for believing what you say." Seriously? My previous remarks were honest as can be, and even you have checked them out and found most of them to be true. Whereas you were claiming Bridgestone is pulling out of China, when they only closing down their Huizhou plant and consolidating their manufacturing to Shenyang, so who is the one being dishonest and seemingly a fool here? "I said all media is twisting the truth. you say China is right, no they are not always right either." Since you were patient enough to listen to my side of the story, I will also reciprocate the favor by listening to you. Could you point to me an example of an article of news by Chinese media that is not correct? "Please think before you make comments." I put a lot of thought into my comments and phrasing them to specifically attack the points brought up, not attack the commenter himself. But you're making it very difficult to do so, especially when it appears that you hardly put any thought into your comments, like when you thoughtlessly "googling companies that left China" and just shooting your mouth off without proof. Perhaps you should take your own advice into consideration yourself. "China is the worst news to spread propaganda and hate." That sentence can be interpreted as Chinese news suck at spreading propaganda and hate, and this I agree with. Chinese news are the worst at spreading propaganda hate. Chinese news tends to (generally) focus on China's achievements and it doesn't have the hate-spreading effect like Western media has. Also, many people hardly believe Chinese media, even though they quote data and statistics from primary sources, it shows that Chinese propaganda clearly needs improvement. Whereas Western propaganda is the best news to spread propaganda and hate. Almost everyone blindly believe Western anti-China propaganda, even though it's oftentimes unsubstantiated by evidence or from primary sources. And Western media is the best at hate-spreading especially against China, so much such that Western discourse is suffused with anti-China sentiment.
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  16060.  @bradlys4978  "神州 Shenzhou The WHO was corrupt and Paid by China to be a lap dog." Where's proof of such a claim? If we look at WHO funding, then the United States is the largest contributor to WHO at $893 million in 2018-2019 as compared to China's contribution at $86 million. Countries that contribute the most to the World Health Organization in 2018-2019 1. U.S ($893 million) 2. U.K ($434 million) 3. Germany ($ 292 million) 4. Japan ($214 million) 5. Canada ($100 million) 6. Norway ($86.4 million) 7. China ($86 million) .... So if anything, the WHO should be in USA's pocket, given that the USA literally contributes 10 times more money to WHO than China, yet you claim the WHO is in China's pocket? How? "Many countries do not support them due to their poor handling of the epidemic and it's lies. They have been proven to be working for Chinas interests only and not the safety of the world." The World Health Organization is the world's foremost authority when it comes to pandemics, the problem is that many countries ignore WHO's advice and then when the pandemic goes out of control in their countries, they start blaming the WHO, and China for their own government's inability to handle the Covid-19 situation in their countries. "More Chinese propaganda and cover ups. even you admit it was covered up in the beginning." When did I ever admit it was covered up in the beginning? Dr Li's post was on 30th Dec 2019, but China had reported the novel coronavirus to WHO by 31st Dec 2019, so it's a difference of 1 day only. China had published 11 journals in the science magazine The Lancet warning other countries of this novel coronavirus, but Western countries ignored it. China actually bought the West valuable time to prepare for the eventual arrival of Covid19 onto their shores, but most Western countries just squandered the headstart that China bought them.
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  16062.  @bradlys4978  "神州 Shenzhou Yes and none of them are completed. They are over budget and the countries are not see the gains that China promised." The projects take time to complete. One recently completed BRI project was the China-Laos Railway that just opened a couple of weeks ago after 5 years of construction. "The method of building China had shows no environmental care and is very damaging." For many poor developing countries, fossil fuels like coal is still very cheap and affordable compared to renewable energy like solar power and wind power, so China is offering these developing countries infrastructure development that best suits their ability to afford maintaining such infrastructure. "Only China workers make money on the Jobs." Chinese workers, architects and engineers are arguably more experienced in building infrastructure, than say African or local workers in developing countries. Not every local worker is experienced enough to build the modern infrastructure, so it's up to the companies if they want to hire Chinese workers or not. Another issue is that developing countries may lack the engineers required for such projects, so Chinese engineers are hired and in the meantime, countries can build up their engineer numbers. For example, Pakistan plans to double its numbers of engineer graduates in the future. "and the interest rate is too high to be fair." Some of these developing countries have terrorist activity, internal civil strife and unstable governments, so Chinese banks assess the risk involved in loaning to these countries, and they charge interest rates according to how risky the project is. But as high as the interests are, nobody point a gun at these countries and force them to borrow from Chinese banks, they can always borrow from Western organizations like IMF or World Bank, if they find Chinese interest rates unfair.
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  16065.  @bradlys4978  "You tell lies and only half truths at best. You try make the picture look perfect by covering up 80% of it. the rest of the picture you don't show looks horrible." I have proven myself time and time again with my words. In my posts, I cite data, statistics, articles where appropriate (even you admitted that I checked out earlier) and I draw from a wide variety of sources, whereas you just seemingly blurt out untruths out of nowhere, i.e Bridgestone withdrawing from China (even though they're only closing 1 out of 2 tire plants in China). I mean, earlier you've admitted to just typed companies that left China and that is what Google told you, then you just absolve yourself of all blame? You even said: "here are 2 links that show her saying sexual assault!!!" but I watched those 2 links and they don't even show Peng Shuai saying sexual assault at all in them, I've read Peng Shuai's original post (available translated on Reddit) and while she has had a roller-coaster of a relationship with a much older man, spanning several years in fact, there is no allegation of sexual assault in Peng Shuai's post. So who is the one really spreading lies here? "the small bit of good that China has done does not compare to the bad." China is currently at peace and not at war with any country, since our last major conflict in 1979. Instead of making war, China is building infrastructure like roads, railways, highways, bridges, tunnels, powerstations, dams, ports, airports, etc and investing in developing countries like Sri Lanka, Nepal, Bangladesh, Pakistan, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Tajikistan, and also African countries like Nigeria, Kenya, Chad, Sudan, Ghana, Mozambique, Tanzania, etc. Whereas the United States is warmonger being involved in Gulf War, Iraq War, Afghan War, Libyan War, Syrian War, Yemen War, etc, even in the 21st century. USA is bombing in those Middle Eastern countries and enacting regime change by cutting off their "heads" (Saddam Hussein, Muammar Gaddafi, etc) and then installing their own US puppet governments in place. If anything, it sounds like the United States is the real threat to global peace and stability here.
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  16069.  @bradlys4978  "神州 Shenzhou I know where I stand. pull all investments I have out of China..." So in your words, you want China to fail is that it? The idea of China's economy eventually surpassing the United State's someday in the future, it scares you so much that a non-Western, non-Liberal Democratic country like China can overtake the USA sometime in the future, so you wish for China's failure and downfall that's all. Then you are only fueling the Red Scare (fear of communism) and Yellow Peril (fear of Asians overrunning the West) mindset after all. "China does not fit my morals of business ideas I want to support." China is peacefully building infrastructure, whereas the United States is bombing countries and killing people, so perhaps it's the warmongering US military-industrial complex whose business model you want to support? "China will sink without any support from the world. It is an import export economy." China is addressing this problem by attempting to boost domestic spending. The USA has 300 million consumers, but if China can transform our 1.4 billion population into consumers ourselves, then China would be the largest market in the world (if we aren't already) Additionally, China is investing into self-sufficiency such as developing our own domestic chips instead of relying on imports. "You are costing China lots of money by your attitude. good luck with your lies and China's success." No, I'm helping China by debunking lies that you spread (such as Peng Shuai's allegations of sexual assault, when she never said such a thing in her post.) I've also debunked your claims of Bridgestone withdrawing from China, when they merely closed 1 out of 2 tire plants in China. I mean, it's as though you believe your own lies, because you appear to inherently want China to fail and you can't stand to see China succeed that's all, that's the source of your resentment towards China. "I'm out and feel I should support better people." You never actually supported me in the first place at all, so it's of no loss to me. "I 1005 support the Boycott for the Olympics, especially now after conservations with many Chinese people." Like I said earlier, how do you proof that the people you're talking to are Chinese people? And if you support 100% boycott of Beijing Olympics, that means your country shouldn't send their athletes either, so go ahead and tell Canadian athletes not to participate. More gold medals for China then. "I lost a lot of respect for China. 3 years ago I was proud to have spend time in China. Now I am embarrassed to say I was even there." China doesn't really care what you think about our country. You had the opportunity to visit China and talk to local people and formed your opinion, yet after you leave, you have no proof that you're even talking to Chinese online. China doesn't need this sort of "ambassador" like you, who spew unproven lies (like just googling "countries that left China" that's all) and label Chinese as judgemental and racist without proof.
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  16112.  @yslee1401  How many mainland Chinese call mainland China home? Over 1.4 billion, meaning that 3 million in USA make up less than 0.01% of China's population. Also, the USA is an immigrant nation, meaning that it has loose immigration criteria. As long as a foreigner has a family member or relative who is an American citizen, then he or she is eligible for US citizenship. That's why there are Chinese who marry American just to attain US citizenship, so that they can bring their families over (much to the disgruntlement of the local Americans). In fact, mass immigration creates its own social problems in USA, as the local Americans feel their populations are being displaced by foreigners who refuse to "integrate" into traditional American society. Immigration Whereas China has no real need for immigrants. China already has such a huge population, why would China need more people? China don't need any more foreign workers, we already have plenty of local workers. That's why China has a strict immigration criteria. Also, why attract Westerners from USA, UK, Canada, Australia, NZ? Different culture and different language will create social problems as well as difficulty in them fitting into China. Instead, China is attracting overseas Chinese to return to their homeland, bringing with them the knowledge they learned from overseas. Having the same culture and same language means that overseas Chinese have an easier time integrating back into Chinese culture, than say Westerners. See the difference between Western and Chinese immigration policy?
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  16127.  @andrenogueira5058  So I take it that you have no actual examples of how the anti-corruption crackdowns are actually purges, and you just made the claim based off what Western MSM is telling you? As for corruption in the United States, just look at Hunter Biden's "laptop from hell", and has all the incriminating evidence to put Joe Biden's son behind bars for a long time. Yet the Western Media attention is hardly focused on this blatant example of corruption. You said: "Note: Asia is not China, China is only part of Asia - so don't even try to equate China with Asia, it is a no go." Did I ever stated that? I merely pointed out that the Red Scare/Yellow Peril mindset is fueling Russophobic and Sinophobic sentiment in the West today towards Russia and China. Another point to note is that China literally makes up a huge part of Asia and its the birthplace of East Asian civilization which makes up much of Japanese and Korean culture. You said: "Mostly I'm sorry for those Russians and Chinese suffering under these abominations and their respective mafias." The Russophobic and Sinophobic sentiment in the West literally target Russians and Chinese people ourselves not our respective governments. Russophobia is evident in how Russian tennis players, football club owners, chess players, ballet dancers, musicians, composers, conductors, and other artists, are getting banned in the West. Wimbledon Stadium even banned all Russian and Belorussian athletes from participating in its competitions. Sinophobia is evident in the rise in hate crimes in the West. being committed against those of Asian descent, including Chinese, Japanese, Koreans, etc. In some cases, the increase of such incidents rose by 300% And mind you, this is phobia is directed against ordinary people who are Russians/Belorussian and Chinese/other Asians living in the West, not against the respective governments of Russia and China.
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  16128.  @andrenogueira5058  China's propaganda is clearly lacking and doesn't hold a candle to that of the West. Many people have a hard time believing what comes out of Chinese media like CGTN, CCTV, Xinhua (New China) TV, even though they actually cite date and statistics from primary sources. Whereas Western propaganda is very effective. Almost everyone blindly believe whatever Western MSM like BBC, CNN, Fox News, etc says about China, even though it's oftentimes unsubstantiated by fact. But if you want to look at statistics, a survey by Harvard University and Ash Center has revealed that around 80-90% of Chinese citizens support the Communist Party of China. A Harvard University survey has found that Chinese citizens' satisfaction with government has increased virtually across the board, with the central authorities receiving the strongest level of approval, increasing from 86% to 93% between 2003 and 2016, the period of the study. ... Source: China Daily: Harvard survey finds Chinese satisfaction with govt rises That's because under the Communist party, China has since transformed from a dirt-poor, war-torn, starving in the past, into the world's 2nd largest economy, the world's factory (i.e Made-in-China products) having the world's 2nd largest R&D spending, protected by the world's largest land army, the People's Liberation Army, funded by the world's 2nd largest military expenditure. You said: "That is exactly what China and Russia are experimenting:" Before the 1917 communist revolution, Russia was arguably the poorest country in Europe at that time, with agriculture providing the livelihood for 80% of the population and was dominated by peasants, whose traditional household economies were extremely inefficient compared to agriculture in Western Europe or the United States. Only about 15% of the population lived in towns, and fewer than 10% worked in industry. Russia was also technologically backward and lagged far behind advanced capitalist countries like Great Britain and Germany. But after the 1917 Bolshevik revolution, the new Soviet Union rapidly grew to become arguably the strongest country in Europe at that time, both economically as well as militarily (that's why NATO was formed in response to rising Soviet Union might). The Soviet Union was the world's 2nd largest economy from 1960 to 1985, and the Soviets made various contributions to science and technology during its hey day. Such an ideology that transformed pre-1917 Russia from arguably Europe's poorest country into its strongest as the Soviet Union. Yet you just denounce this ideology without attempting to understand its success?
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  16164.  @D1it4FN  About the South China Sea, the North Vietnam PM Phạm Văn Đồng had formally accepted that the Paracel and Spratly islands were historically Chinese in a diplomatic letter he wrote to Chinese Premier Zhou Enlai in 1958. In 1958, the People's Republic of China issued a declaration defining its territorial waters which encompassed the Spratly and Paracel Islands. North Vietnam's prime minister, Pham Van Dong, sent a diplomatic note to Zhou Enlai, stating that "The Government of the Democratic Republic of Vietnam respects this decision." The diplomatic note was written on September 14 and was publicized on Nhan Dan newspaper(Vietnam) on September 22, 1958. Here is the note: wikipedia.org/wiki/File:1958_diplomatic_note_from_phamvandong_to_zhouenlai.jpg But after it was discovered that the region contain rich deposits of oil and gas, Vietnam suddenly changed its mind, broke their word and started claiming those territory as part of Vietnam. Why Vietnam politician can change their minds just like that? And Canada has seen many of its children killed within it's borders. Many of the aboriginals in Canada have been killed by Anglo-Saxon. Source: Decades of missing Indigenous women a 'Canadian genocide' – leaked report theguardian.com/world/2019/may/31/canada-missing-indigenous-women-cultural-genocide-government-report “We do know that thousands of Indigenous women, girls and 2SLGBTQQIA (two-spirit, lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgendered, queer, questioning, intersex and asexual) people have been lost to the Canadian genocide to date,” said the report.
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  16168.  @D1it4FN  China treats native Tibetans far better than Canada treats Aboriginals. Previously, while Tibet was under Dalai Lama rule, Tibet was a brutal theocracy, where 95% of the population were slaves and the remaining 5% elites were slave owners. Tibetan mountainous soil is infertile, rainfall is scarce in the Himalayas, so the slaves had to work hard to feed the Tibetan population. Starvation was commonplace and theft of food was punished by torture, amputation and even skinning. There's this Tibetan drum called damaru that's made from human skulls, a drumskin made of human skin and drumstick made of human bone. The Dalai Lama was overly worshipped and his followers fought for the right to consume his saliva, his urine and even his feces, because he was considered a divine vessel. After Tibet returned back to China, Chinese workers began rapidly modernising Tibet, building roads, railways, streetlamps, running water, gas and electricity as well as introducing modern amenities like cars, computers, telephone cables, smartphones, the Internet, WiFi, online shopping (from Taobao) and so on. Under CPC, the first Tibetan colleges opened in Lhasa, offering degrees in both Tibetan and Mandarin Chinese languages. Hydroelectric powerstations were built by Chinese to supply Tibetan homes with electricity. Source: List of universities and colleges in Tibet wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_universities_and_colleges_in_Tibet Source: List of major power stations in the Tibet Autonomous Region wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_major_power_stations_in_the_Tibet_Autonomous_Region Chinese workers built the Qinghai-Lhasa railway (world's highest elevation railway) through dangerous mountainous terrain and low oxygen environments, to connect the normally isolated Tibet with the rest of the world. Tibet can now import food from the mainland to feed its population, and Tibet's population has tripled from 1 million in 1950s to over 3 million people today. A thriving tourist industry has even sprung up in Tibet.
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  16331.  @johanhirte9661  "神州 Shenzhou U forgot to mention that “communist” is just included with no meaning" Till date, no country in the world has achieved true "communism" (i.e A classless, stateless, moneyless society). Communism is a goal that "communists" strive towards. Even the former Soviet Union never claimed that their country had attained communism, the Soviets called their country the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics (USSR), and that communism was a goal for the USSR to strive towards. Likewise, the Communist Party of China never claimed that China is communist, but it remains an eventual goal. So there is meaning behind the name "communist" in the CPC. You said: "and that the Chinese “communist” party is not socialist or communist at all." Communism is an eventual end goal of the party, and socialism is defined as a "transition" stage for China to achieve before embarking towards eventual communism. Socialism has multiple interpretations, and the one China has chosen is "Socialism with Chinese Characteristics", which was coined by Deng Xiaoping. Deng's theory stipulated that China was in the primary stage of socialism due to its relatively low level of material wealth and needed to engage in economic growth before it pursued a more egalitarian form of socialism, which in turn would lead to a communist society (as described in Marxist orthodoxy). In other words, China is not yet communist nor exactly socialist (i.e we are still in the primary stage, and need to engage in economic growth first).
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  16332.  @samfkt  "but if you look 100-200 years ago, EU and even USA is more and more "open-minded" than before" The U.S literally had the Chinese Exclusion Act of 1882 which suspended Chinese immigration to America and declared Chinese immigrants ineligible for U.S citizenship. But that still doesn't change the fact that anti-Asian hate crimes surged by 339% in USA last year. "you know the fact that Russia themselves did many harm to their own people throughput the whole history?" Russia is not the one banning Russian musicians, conductors, athletes, artists, now it's the EU, UK and USA that's doing that right now. "I can name you atleast 50-100 names (Russians vs Russians)." And there are 5,000+ sanctions on Russia, as well as banning Russian musicians, composers, artists, etc, by the West. "Russian leaders almost never cared about their own composers, musicians, artists, culture etc." That's a bold statement, do you have proof to supplement such a claim? "Putin is said to be "cheap" and not very rich on paper but in reallity he is indeed the richest man on the world (no doubt)." Where's your proof that Putin is the richest man in the world? "Those sanctions are prevention methods because they think they could support the ongoing war" Sanctions don't work, they only harm the ordinary Russians and make life difficult for them. "and all the money is frozen (not stolen, Russians also frozed some west stuff like the airplanes, huge amount of them, that was their answer to those sanctions etc.)" Russia can't even access their money to pay back loans (and is unfairly labelled as "having defaulted") so how's that not stolen? And Russia only froze stuff because it was done to them first (by your admission). "Many of those "fired" ones openly approved the invasion and wore the "Z" tshirts or whatever etc." Russian conductor Valery Gergiev was sacked because he refused to speak out against the Russia-Ukraine conflict, but that's not the same as openly approving of it. And there are many Russian atheletics, skaters, tennis players that are being banned from competitions, just because of they are Russian.
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  16397.  @jaydee6268  Taiwan had been under authoritarian single-party KMT rule for more than half its life. For decades the KMT ruled Taiwan with iron fist and Chiang kai-shek was a dictator who jailed and executed dissidents and political rivals (whether real or perceived) in a period known as White Terror (白色恐怖) and imposed martial law on Taiwan for more than 38 years, which was qualified as "the longest imposition of martial law by a regime anywhere in the world" at that time. Source: White Terror (Taiwan) wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Terror_(Taiwan) But under authoritarian single-party KMT rule, Taiwan actually flourished and prospered, in what's known as the Taiwan Miracle (台湾奇迹). Between 1952 – 1982, Taiwan's economic growth was on average 8.7%, and between 1983 – 1986 at 6.9%. Taiwan GDP grew by 360% between 1965 – 1986. The percentage of global exports was over 2% in 1986, over other recently industrialized countries, and the global industrial production output grew a further 680% between 1965 – 1986. And its all been achieved under KMT leadership. Source: Taiwan Miracle wikipedia.org/wiki/Taiwan_Miracle Only in the late 1990s, when democracy was introduced (because USA threatened to cut off weapons sales to Taiwan) did Taiwan's economic growth became more modest. Today, Taiwan's economy is stagnating, wages are stagnant, cost of living is rising, unemployment is rising, and Taiwan graduates are seeking employment opportunities abroad, such as in mainland China or Singapore.
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  16423.  Giovanni Sanchez  The Roman Empire has since fallen and fractured into UK, France, Germany, Turkey, Algeria, Egypt, etc, whereas Chinese civilization is among the world's oldest "continuous" civilization still alive today, what are you talking about? Have you actually been to China and see what life is like here for yourself? And about Westerners being raised to think communism is bad, look at the transformation of Russia for example. Before the communist revolution in 1917, Russia was once arguably the poorest country in Europe, compared to the richer, developed Western Europe countries. Russia was once full of dirt-poor peasants, suffering from starvation under a corrupt Tsar, and Russia was technologically backward compared to the more developed Western Europe countries for sure. But after the 1917 Communist Revolution by the Bolsheviks, the new Soviet Union rapidly grew to become arguably the strongest country in Europe both militarily and economically. The Soviet Union was world's 2nd largest economy from 1960-1985 during its heyday, and even the Western European countries formed NATO because of how strong the Soviet Union had become under the Communist Party of the Soviet Union. Source: Soviet Union was world's 2nd largest economy from 1960-1985 wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_largest_historical_GDP#Overview_of_the_ten_largest_economies So why are you convinced that communism is evil, given such an amazing transformation in Russia, from arguably once the poorest country in Europe, to the strongest country in Europe, until NATO had to be formed against the Soviet Union? Such an amazing ideology, yet you Westerners demonise communism despite it's massive success?
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  16424.  Giovanni Sanchez  The most powerful empires were the Mongol Empire, the Persian Empire, the Caliphate, etc, of which majority were governed under authoritarian rule, not Western brand of democracy, so what's your point? You love Chinese 5000 years of history, that was all under the authoritarian rule of Emperors and the Imperial Court, because Chinese civilization has always been most successful under authoritarian rule (as we still are today), then why can't China continue under our current political system, when it has proven to be successful for our country? And have you no logical refute to the fact that Marxism-Lenism transformed Russia from arguably the poorest country in Europe at that time before 1917, to arguably the strongest country in Europe, both economically and militarily (that's why NATO was formed) after the Communist revolution? Other than claiming "Marxism and Communism" is evil? Why can't you formulate a proper argument in response to what Marxism-Lenism has achieved in Russia? It's a well-known fact today that Capitalism is killing the planet. Capitalism is the overproduction of goods in pursuit of profits, unnecessarily polluting the environment in the process, with the eventual goal being the complete depletion of the Earth's resources. Communism is the belief that every resource should be allocated according to needs. As the Marxist saying goes: "From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs." The Earth's resources are finite, and where capitalism seeks to exhaust them in the pursuit of profits, communism is dedicated to distributing resources according to needs.
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  16433.  @FullPerspective  "These islands where not recognized as being Chinese by Malaysia, the Philippines, Netherlands, the US and countless of other countries." The Americans reminded the Philippines at its independence in 1946 that the Spratlys was not Philippine territories as per the 1898 Treaty of Paris that Spain signed with USA. The Treaty Limits of the Philippines defines the maritime and territorial boundaries of the Philippines, which does not include the Spratly Islands. ... (Source: ResearchGate: The Treaty Limits of the Philippines) "The fact that China claimed the islands in 1947 does not alone give them right to them." It gives China a claim to the islands. Also in 1917, China was still being governed by the Nationalist Kuomintang which later fled to Taiwan island. And Taiwan Island today still maintains the claim to the 11 Dash Line, whereas the People's Republic of China has reduced it to the 9 Dash Line. "There is countless of land claims and disputes all over the world over territories, but what makes a country of peace which prevent war, is that the country will NOT lay hold of claims to territories where there is a dispute unless there is a INTERNATIONAL agreement allowing them to do so" As far as I know none of the claimants in the South China Sea are at war with each other, not China, not Malaysia, Philippines, Vietnam, etc. Which of those countries is China at war with? "The Spratly and Parcel Islands are not internationally recognized as belonging to China, nor is a lot of border dispute territories with India." The border dispute between China and India was created because after India was colonized by Britain, a British cartographer named Henry McMahon, arbitrarily drew up India's borders with China without consideration for existing historical boundaries, and yet till this day, India vehemently adheres to the McMahon Line (drawn by British) instead of looking at how the border existed historically.
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  16453. @Norsemen88 Where would the West be today if not for Chinese inventing Paper and Gunpowder? With paper, information spread more quickly thanks to this inexpensive material and paper banknote help speed up business transactions and made it less of a hassle to carry metal coinage and precious stones. Chinese luxury goods like silk, tea, paper, porcelain (precious china) were in great demand by Westerners and a trade route was even set up and named Silk Route in honor of the precious material. Besides Gunpowder, Chinese also invented handcannons, handgrenades, fragmentation bombs, landmine, naval mines, exploding cannonballs, rocket launchers, multi launch rocket systems and of course fireworks. There was even an ancient Chinese flamethrower capable of launching continuous stream of flame just like the ones used in WWII. Your Western society was built upon the backs of African slavery, genocide of Native Americans and Australian Aboriginals, occupation of their lands even till today, plundering resources like gold, from the Native Americans, Asia (India, Hong Kong, Singapore, etc) and Africa. Westerners are rich today because you are sitting on a pile of wealth thanks to your ancestors stealing from Asia, Africa, America and Australia. Yet you still call Chinese people your "friends"? As for democracy, I have shown that it has a history of failure, just like when Republic of Rome fell, so there's no guarantee that it will succeed in future, given the history of democracy. Whereas Chinese civilization has survived 5000 years through violent course of history and is still alive today and we are the world's 2nd largest economy, the world's manufacturing hub, protected by the world's largest land army, the People's Liberation Army, and a potential rival to the USA.
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  16457. +shockwave2291 China today is hardly communist and some scholars believe China is in fact more capitalist than even some Western countries. And Chinese people have been governing ourselves for 5000 years without democracy, so why is there a need to adopt democracy then, when it has history of failure. Chinese dynasties have fallen and risen again, divided and unified again, and China has survived the violent course of history relatively intact to the modern day. For example, Tibet, Xinjiang, Inner Mongolia, Manchuria, Northeastern China, Southern China, Hong Kong, Hainan Island, etc, are all part of China today, whereas the Roman Empire has fragmented into individual countries like United Kingdom, France, Germany, Spain, Italy, Turkey, Egypt, etc. And Western economists have been predicting China's economic downfall since 1990s. Here is compiled list of what Western journalists have to say about China's economy. 1990. The Economist: China's economy has come to a halt. 1996. The Economist: China's economy will face hard landing. 1998. The Economist: China's economy entering a dangerous period of sluggish growth. 1999. Bank of Canada: Likelihood of a hard landing for the Chinese economy. 2000. Chicago Tribune: China currency move nails hard landing risk coffin. 2001. Wilbanks, Smith & Thomas: A hard landing in China. 2002. Westchester University: China Anxiously Seeks A Soft Economic landing. 2003. KWR International: How to find a soft landing if China.. 2004. The Economist: The great fall of China? 2005. Nouriel Roubini: The Risk of a Hard Landing in China. 2006. International Economy: Can China Achieve a Soft Landing? 2007. TIME: Is China's Economy Overheating? Can China avoid a hard landing? 2008. Forbes: Hard Landing in China? 2009. Fortune: China's hard landing. China must find a way to recover. 2010. Nouriel Roubini: Hard landing coming in China. 2011. Business Insider: A Chinese Hard Landing May Be Closer Than You Think. 2012. American Interest: Dismal Economic News from China: A Hard Landing. 2013. Zero Hedge: A Hard Landing in China. 2014. CNBC: A hard landing in China. 2015. Forbes: Congratulations, You got Yourself A Chinese Hard Landing.... 2016. The Economist: Hard Landing looms for China. 2017. National Interest: Is China's Economy Going To Crash? But its already 2018, and China's economy is still going strong, despite what those Western economists say. It shows that Western predictions about China's economy have been proven consistently wrong for almost 30 years! Yet you still think China's economy is about to collapse?
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  16470.  @parkerhughes434  "Why are government officials exempt from personal insults or abuse?" The same way African Americans are exempted from personal insults or abuse from being called the N-word by non-African descent people. Yet oftentimes, many African Americans often use that same word to refer to their fellow people of African descent, there is clearly this exemption that exists in America. It's the same reasoning in many countries, including China. "Alright, and this is illegal to do in China?" According to China's Policies And Practices On Protecting Freedom Of Religious Belief, in exercising their right to free religious belief, believers should not interfere in the lawful rights of other people, or force others to believe in any religion. Believers should not discriminate against non-believers or believers of other religions. No one shall use religion to interfere in the lawful rights and interests of citizens. Believers should respect public order, customs, cultural traditions and social ethics in exercising their freedom of religious belief. "And I keep asking the Peng Shuai question because you are not answering it." I did answer it several times, but it's apparent that you refuse to accept my answer. And you even phrased it as a hypothetical example that's all, how to know for sure what's going to happen in such a hypothetical example? "I'm going to go ahead and believe it's safe to assume the CCP is not allowing her on Weibo or any social media for that matter, given her silence on all platforms. And is only given permission to send emails and make public appearances until approved by the CCP." Your assumption has a flaw because Peng Shuai has a Facebook account and she isn't responding on Facebook (which is beyond the Chinese government's control) either. Therefore it's far more likely that Peng Shuai is merely keeping silent on her own accord. "You must understand that this is very very foreign to an American." Even though there's clearly a flaw in your assumption, why do you think this very very foreign to Americans? Didn't the former U.S President Trump had his Twitter account banned, even until today?
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  16472.  @parkerhughes434  "Unlike insulting the CCP in China, It's not illegal to say the N-word in the United States." Then why don't you go into the the African American neighborhood and say the N-word to people of African descent? Go ahead and film yourself doing that. Since according to you, that's basically insulting the African Americans, then it has the same level as someone insulting the Communist Party of China for no apparent reason. "the people control social change in the United States unlike China where it is controlled by the government." That's apparently not true. Look at the Black Lives Matter protests and what social change in the United States did that achieve? Americans got a nice new road, but otherwise, the situation of African Americans in the USA is the same. And from what I understand, polls shown that majority of American adults (around 63%) want universal healthcare for all, but this doesn't seem to be happening. "Are you really trying to say the Chinese government arrests and punishes people because criticism is like the N-word to them?" Now you're switching back to criticism when we had been talking about verbal abuse and personal insults all along? I've already explained earlier that as long as the criticism is valid and possibly substantiated by proof (i.e corruption, forced evictions, unpaid wages, environmental degradation, etc) then the authorities will look into the matter. But once again personal insults and verbal abuse for no reason aren't tolerated. "So it is illegal to criticize and degrade someone's beliefs in China, especially the CCP's, got it." You had previous quoted my whole text on China's Policies And Practices On Protecting Freedom Of Religious Belief what has that got to do with beliefs in the CPC? Why are you seemingly drawing random conclusions out of nowhere? "And about Peng Shuai, yes my question is hypothetical, but that doesn't detract from you avoiding the question in the first place. And that question, what would happen if Peng Shuai wanted to keep speaking on social media? Would the CCP step in to stop her or would they allow it? I think we all know what they would do, and you are just playing ignorant." Since you admitted that your question is hypothetical, then there's no true answer because it's impossible to know what the CPC would do in your hypothetical scenario. You can't prove that the CPC would step in to stop her or whether they would allow it, because it's a hypothetical scenario. "And why would Peng Shuai begin posting on Facebook, a banned website in China, when the CCP most definitely now has their eye on her? " Peng Shuai already has a Facebook account what do you mean by begin posting on Facebook? And since you claim it's banned website in China then all the more why wouldn't Peng Shuai post on Facebook? But the fact that she hasn't, clearly implies that Peng Shuai is trying to avoid the public eye and keep a low profile, so does your assumption work? "Yes Twitter, a private company, banned Trump from their platform as is their right. The United States government did not ban him because they do not have that right." So you're admitting that the corporations have the so much power, as to silence the former U.S President Trump (back when he was the still the POTUS)? Then this is a difference of power. In China, the Chinese government controls the Chinese corporations for China's benefit, reining in companies when they gone too far. Whereas in the U.S, the rich U.S corporations control the U.S government for war and profit at the expense of ordinary Americans.
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  16473.  @parkerhughes434  Not just Julian Assange or Edward Snowden, there was this U.S Marine Corps lieutenant colonel Stuart Scheller who was fired after he posted a video demanding accountability from military leaders over the botched evacuation of Afghanistan. Video: Marine Officer Court-Martialed For Afghanistan Comments youtu.be/Kh_dB9tgNMQ I don't understand why you can continually preach about America's supposed "freedom of speech" when there's evidence to show that's not really the case. "What about political grievances, such as putting stricter term limits on Xi Jinping or lowering the government censors? How can the public share these grievances if they are being regularly silenced and censored?" While it's true that President Xi Jinping has removed the presidential term limits, but he still needs to be re-elected after every term of 4 years to keep his position. And the public can always go onto political forums in China if they want to discuss these issues with their provincial governments. And I really don't understand what you mean, which person in China has been silenced and censored for political grievances about President Xi's term limits? "are you saying that walking around with an open can/bottle of beer is as important to the Chinese public as freedom of expression is to the United States public?" No, I'm just saying it's something that you can do in China that you can't do in many American states, that's all. As for freedom of expression in China, I've already given examples that in China you can display the Communist Hammer and Sickle ☭ flag and the Nazi Swastika 卍 flag, which you can't do in some other countries like Germany, France, Austria, or Ukraine, Lithuania, Indonesia. It just goes to show that different countries have different levels of freedom of expression.
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  16509.  @songrunner3027  "China is doomed. The next few years will vindicate that prediction." 1990. The Economist. China's economy has come to a halt. 1996. The Economist. China's economy will face a hard landing. 1998. The Economist: China's economy entering a dangerous period of sluggish growth. 1999. Bank of Canada: Likelihood of a hard landing for the Chinese economy. 2000. Chicago Tribune: China currency move nails hard landing risk coffin. 2001. Wilbanks, Smith & Thomas: A hard landing in China. 2002. Westchester University: China Anxiously Seeks a Soft Economic Landing. 2003. New York Times: Banking crisis imperils China. 2004. The Economist: The great fall of China? 2005. Nouriel Roubini: The Risk of a Hard Landing in China. 2006. International Economy: Can China Achieve a Soft Landing? 2007. TIME: Is China's Economy Overheating? Can China avoid a hard landing? 2008. Forbes: Hard Landing In China? 2009. Fortune: China's hard landing. China must find a way to recover. 2010: Nouriel Roubini: Hard landing coming in China. 2011: Business Insider: A Chinese Hard Landing May Be Closer Than You Think. 2012: American Interest: Dismal Economic News from China: A Hard Landing. 2013: Zero Hedge: A Hard Landing In China. 2014. CNBC: A hard landing in China. 2015. Forbes: Congratulations, You Got Yourself A Chinese Hard Landing. 2016. The Economist: Hard landing looms for China. 2017. National Interest: Is China's Economy Going To Crash? 2018. CNN: Forget the trade war, China's economy has other big problems. 2019. BBC: China's Economic Slowdown: How worried should we be? 2020. Economics Explained: The Scary Solution to the Chinese Debt Crisis. 2021. Global Economics: Has China's Downfall Started? 2022. Bloomberg: China Surprise Data Could Spell Recession. 2023. Bloomberg: No word should be off-limits to describe China's faltering economy. ... Yet it's already 2024 and China's economy is still going strong.
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  16510.  @songrunner3027  "China is doomed." 1990. The Economist. China's economy has come to a halt. 1996. The Economist. China's economy will face a hard landing. 1998. The Economist: China's economy entering a dangerous period of sluggish growth. 1999. Bank of Canada: Likelihood of a hard landing for the Chinese economy. 2000. Chicago Tribune: China currency move nails hard landing risk coffin. 2001. Wilbanks, Smith & Thomas: A hard landing in China. 2002. Westchester University: China Anxiously Seeks a Soft Economic Landing. 2003. New York Times: Banking crisis imperils China. 2004. The Economist: The great fall of China? 2005. Nouriel Roubini: The Risk of a Hard Landing in China. 2006. International Economy: Can China Achieve a Soft Landing? 2007. TIME: Is China's Economy Overheating? Can China avoid a hard landing? 2008. Forbes: Hard Landing In China? 2009. Fortune: China's hard landing. China must find a way to recover. 2010: Nouriel Roubini: Hard landing coming in China. 2011: Business Insider: A Chinese Hard Landing May Be Closer Than You Think. 2012: American Interest: Dismal Economic News from China: A Hard Landing. 2013: Zero Hedge: A Hard Landing In China. 2014. CNBC: A hard landing in China. 2015. Forbes: Congratulations, You Got Yourself A Chinese Hard Landing. 2016. The Economist: Hard landing looms for China. 2017. National Interest: Is China's Economy Going To Crash? 2018. CNN: Forget the trade war, China's economy has other big problems. 2019. BBC: China's Economic Slowdown: How worried should we be? 2020. Economics Explained: The Scary Solution to the Chinese Debt Crisis. 2021. Global Economics: Has China's Downfall Started? 2022. Bloomberg: China Surprise Data Could Spell Recession. 2023. Bloomberg: No word should be off-limits to describe China's faltering economy. ... Yet it's already 2024 and China's economy is still going strong.
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  16525.  @Hanabis924  While I agree that there was shelling on East Ukraine by both sides, both sides aren't losing the same amount of people. According to UN figures on the Donbas war, 80% of civilian casualties have occurred on rebel-held regions (Source: Aaron Maté And Richard Sakwa from The Greyzone). Majority of civilian deaths were ethnic Russians and the Russian language is being banned (at least in Eastern Ukraine). The Minsk agreement was signed to stop the fighting in Donbas and institute constitutional reform in Ukraine granting self-government to certain areas of Donbas. But Ukraine did not upheld their end of the Minsk agreement and continued their shelling of Donbas. In 2014, Crimea had a referendum and majority of those polled voted to join the Russian Federation (96.77%). And in Crimea, Ukrainians are allowed to retain their Ukrainian citizenship, however Russian citizenship is necessary to retain state jobs, such as those in teaching and health care, as well as to renew or obtain essential documentation such as passports, marriage licenses, driver’s licenses and vehicle registrations. Given that Crimea is de facto part of Russia, Ukrainians living in Crimea are considered foreign migrants as if they were living in Russia. Putin has publicly stated that Russia does not plan to occupy Ukraine, his objectives were to demilitarised and de-nazify Ukraine. Putin had previously asked for assurances that NATO would not expand eastwards (i.e that Ukraine not be allowed to join NATO). Many NATO countries also did not want Ukraine to join NATO, yet they refused to put that down on paper and assure Putin, and that's why Russia had their military intervention in Ukraine. If Ukrainian President Zelenskiy truly cared about his people, he would surrender Ukraine in order to minimise the civilian casualties, instead of forcing his people to die for his refusal to surrender. It's apparent by now that for all their talk, NATO and USA aren't going to send troops to defend Ukraine. Ukraine application to join NATO is unlikely to be fully approved, because that would mean NATO is obliged to send reinforcements to defend Ukraine, so I can't see that happening. By arming civilians with rifles and rocket launchers, he's attempting to maximise the civilian casualties. By removing the age restrictions for conscription, Zelenskiy is effectively enlisting child soldiers to fight and die for his refusal to surrender.
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  16532.  @GonzoTehGreat  "神州 Shenzhou I've already addressed this in earlier replies, but I suggest you re-read my entire reply, not just the part you quoted." First you asked me to quote you, now you're asking me to re-read your entire reply? This is what you wrote: "FYI - Genocide isn't just about deaths. It has a wider meaning and refers to the destruction of a people, obviously by killing them, but also by destroying their culture via brainwashing, re-education and the dilution thru immigration. The CCP is responsible for carrying out all of these against the Uyghurs." So you're clearly jumping to conclusions about genocide in Xinjiang when there's insufficient evidence, even the ICC has asked for more evidence before it will be willing to open an investigation into claims of genocide against Uighur people by China. You said the census data is unreliable because it comes from a source with a vested situation in the situation, but the census was taken since 1953 before all these allegations of genocide appeared in the West. Furthermore, you're accusing Chinese census/media of having a vested interest, then shouldn't you apply the same standards to Western MSM reporting on the so-called allegations of genocide as having vested interests of their own? Just like you quoted I shouldn't trust Russian or Ukrainian reports, then shouldn't you extend the same to Western media as to what you did for Chinese media? As for Chinese media, the point remains that CGTN, CCTV, etc are showcasing Uighur culture, festivals, traditional clothing, playing traditional instruments, song and dance. You claim it's because of vested interests, but Chinese media ("state media" as the West calls it) is promoting Uighur culture, and telling Chinese that's its okay to appreciate Uighur culture, and for Uighurs to continue to celebrate their culture, so doesn't this go against the so-called "cultural genocide" narrative? Then there's the fact that China applied got Uighur culture to be recognised as part of UNESCO Intangible Heritage, so it appears that China is doing the reverse of cultural genocide, it's actually preserving it and promoting it.
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  16537.  @GonzoTehGreat  Look, you just edited your latest comments again. Even earlier, you posted those same words to @Dan & Jo earlier, you wrote: "FYI - Genocide isn't just about deaths. It has a wider meaning and refers to the destruction of a people, obviously by killing them, but also by destroying their culture via brainwashing, re-education and the dilution thru immigration. The CCP is responsible for carrying out all of these against the Uyghurs." so why accuse me of misquoting your words, when you can just edit your comment and made it look like such? Again how is the evidence unreliable, just because it's from Chinese ethnic census or Chinese media? The Chinese census started back in 1953 long before the accusations of genocide and it clearly shows that the Uighur population in China have tripled in size over the years. Because Uighurs aren't subject to the One Child Policy (unlike Han) so they can have as many kids as they want. And as for Chinese media, even if you claim it's unreliable, there are many expats that have visited Xinjiang and posted their videos on to YouTube (such as Noel Lee and numuves) and again their videos show Uighurs celebrating their culture, festivals, cuisine, traditional clothing, playing traditional instruments, song and dance. And then there's the fact that China applied for Uighur Muqam culture to be recognised as a UNESCO Intangible Heritage, so what cultural genocide are you talking about? And how did I shift the argument? You're claiming that Chinese statistics and media are unreliable because they have vested interests, then I'm saying that the same could be said of Western MSM having the vested interest to demonise China to their audiences back home. I mean, where do all the allegations of Uighur genocide stem from, if not Western media?
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  16538.  @Hanabis924  Russia is not part of Donbas so how can Russia implement the Minsk agreement? And I've already stated that there was shelling on both sides in Donbas so how is it one sided? Majority of the civilian casualties (80%) were on the rebel-held territories, and the ultra-nationalist, neo-nazis like the Azov Battalion have been shelling their own civilians in Donbas for 8 years, killing some 14,000 civilians. And the Ukraine government just close one eye to the them. You said: "96.77% from 125% registered voters" but where did you get your 125% from? The official result from the Autonomous Republic of Crimea was a 97% vote for integration of the region into the Russian Federation with an 83% voter turnout, and within the local government of Sevastopol there was also a 97% vote for integration of the region into the Russian Federation with an 89% voter turnout. According to you, Putin "claims 4 things: 1. Ukraine really belongs to Russian" but in actuality Putin said that the people in some parts of Ukraine, specifically the southwest, have called themselves Russian historically. Places like Crimea were never really part of Ukrainian history, and modern Ukraine's boundaries had been drawn by the Bolsheviks (who did it in a way that was extremely harsh on Russia). "2. Ukraine has been "hijacked by the West", That's true. There was a coup d'etat in 2014 ousting Ukrainian President Yanukovych by the USA, and the USA installed their own U.S puppet government in Ukraine. 3. Neo-Nazis run the country (which is false since the far right only got < 2% of the vote and no seats and the President is Jewish heritage). Putin said that banderites (Ukrainian ultra-nationalists) and neo-nazis like the Azov Battalion have infiltrated the Ukrainian National Guard, and carried out genocide against ethnic Russians in Donbas region, he never said that the neo-nazis run their government. And Zelenskyy being of Jewish descent doesn’t mean that their military does not have neo-Nazis. Just like America has a President of African descent doesn't necessarily mean that the U.S police doesn't have racism among its ranks. The Azov Battalion literally conduct marches with torches reminiscent of Nazi Germany marches and they even have Nazi symbols that were used by the Nazi SS. What's the 4th thing Putin claimed? Putin has made it clear that he wanted assurances that NATO would not expand eastwards (i.e that Ukraine not be allowed to join NATO). Yet his words fell on deaf ears and NATO continued expanding by incorporating 13 other countries. The purpose of this Ukraine conflict is to demilitarise Ukraine and de-nazify it of the neo-nazis and ultra-nationalists that's been carrying out genocide on ethnic Russians in Donbas region. You said: "If Putin really cared about civilians, he wouldn't bomb and shoot them (12 people at a bakery died because of Russian bombing)" Did you listen to Putin's speech? Russia wants to minimise civilian casualties, but the Ukrainian neo-nazis and ultra-nationalists are parking their artillery and multi-launch rocket vehicles in civilian areas and forcing the Russian Army to target those facilities. There's many fake news by Ukrainian government, such as the missile that slammed into a building in Kyiv and left a gaping hole in the apartment, that turned out to be an Ukrainian BUK missile that malfunctioned and hit their own apartment. You said: _"Russia woudln't break their promise TWO times for evactuations." Russia did allow for civilians to evacuate, its the Ukrainian ultra-nationalists that bombed the evacuation tracks and obstructed civilians from evacuating. There was even a negotiator from the Ukraine side that was assassinated by ultra-nationalists before he could negotiate with Russia. You said: "You're saying that Zelenskiy is maximizing civilian casualties is just wrong and demeaning to those that want to protect their county from being invaded by Russia." How am I wrong to point out Zelenskyy is maximizing civilians casualties by refusing to surrender? Do you see any way for Ukraine to turn the tides against Russia? It's apparent by now that NATO and USA aren't going to put their soldiers boots on ground and defend Ukraine. Ukraine's application to join NATO is unlikely to succeed, because that would mean NATO is obliged to send reinforcements to defend Ukraine and I just can't see that happening. So isn't Zelenskyy refusing to surrender just prolonging the war to maximise civilian casualties? You said: "Seems you are failing to see why the Ukrainians are putting up a resistance." Because they have no choice. Ukrainian men up to age 60 are forcefully conscripted because Zelenskyy refuses to surrender. By arming civilians with rifles and rocket launchers, Zelenskyy is attempting to maximise the civilian casualties. By releasing prisoners and arming them, Zelenskyy is attempting to sow chaos and make it difficult for Russians to distinguish the military from civilians. By removing the age restrictions, Zelenskyy is effectively enlisting child soldiers to fight and die for his refusal to surrender.
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  16559. +Daniel Vedberg Sekulic What warcrimes did Mao Zedong actually commit? Those people died because of starvation, not because of warcrimes, so why sort of question are you asking here to warrant an answer from me? Since its my opinion, then why can't I be entitled to my own opinion? I have already shown that is not just the Chinese protesting about Yasukuni, but also the Koreans and a group representing Taiwanese Aboriginals. I never said anything about PLA being better than KMT here at all, so why are you talking about PLA and KMT here suddenly? I never said China has corruption, and in fact, China had corruption during KMT adminstration of mainland China (1912-1949) Before that, the Qing Dynasty (before 1912) had corruption in the government as well. Before Qing dynasty, the Ming dynasty was also heavy on corruption. You are correct that China has been this way, since the dawn of human civilization. But you are wrong that only be ruled by Power of Force, not belief, not cultural or social views. China has 5000 years of history and is among the world's oldest 'continuous' civilization still alive today, whereas other great ancient civilizations like Mesopotamia, Rome and Egypt have since faded to history. But if this formula is successful to China's longevity as a civilization, then why can't China continue to follow our own path to success? Nobody says every country has to adopt Western democracy to be successful, and China is living proof of that. You claim I avoided your question, then aren't you also avoiding my question of "Which country would disrespect its own founding father?" Germany (Federal Republic of Germany) existed before Hitler so he isn't the true founding father of the nation of Germany here. I talk about founding fathers, but you talk about war heros and founding father of the 3rd Reich which are different matters from a nation's founding father. For example, Mao Zedong's face is emblazoned in all our banknotes, just like Americans have their presidents faces in their notes. Because those people are of great significance to the country. Like I said, which country would disrespect its own founding father? Can you actually name a country in the world that will disrespect is own founding father?
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  16561. +Daniel Vedberg Sekulic I am having a hard time following your English. The 17 Point Agreement for the Peaceful Liberation of Tibet was signed by the Dalai Lama in 1951, in which the Chinese Civil war was already ended or at a stalemate after 1949 when Mao proclaimed China as the PRC. The Dalai Lama had in his possession the seal of the governor of Eastern Tibet but chose not to use it. That seal, however, was not the official seal of the Tibetan government, so not using it did not lessen the validity of the agreement. How did China betray the treaty by seizing and annexing Tibet? Tibetan government already signed the 17 Point Agreement, so what was there for PLA to seize? The Chinese civil war was messy period, and there were indeed many other factions fighting each other for control of China, besides the KMT and the PLA. But the fact remains that Chiang Kal Shek STARTED the war with the PLA by purging communists during Shanghai massacre. And since PLA emerged victorious and gained control over China, then why did you claim earlier that Mao directed unlawful war in China? China during this warlord period is so messy but its thanks to PLA that China is finally reunified again and the KMT failed to unify China at all during 1912-1949. Even Tibet broke free of China's rule in 1912, but was eventually brought back to China in 1951, after signing 17 Point Agreement for the Peaceful Liberation of Tibet. Since you want to claim Chiang Kal Shek didn't do the killings, then I can also claim Mao Zedong didn't do the killings, those people starved to death under the Great Chinese Famine. I mean, you claim all this bad things of Mao Zedong, but if not for him, China would still be divided and fighting among ourselves and fragmented into various states like Tibet, Xinjiang, Hong Kong, etc. A country is strong when it is unified, and weak when its divided and fighting amongst themselves, like during warlord period. That was why a Japan was able to invade China and capture territories, because China is divided and fighting among ourselves. Even when the Japanese attacked, Chiang Kal Shek refused to ally with the communists against the Japanese, and two of his subordinates Zhang Xueliang and Yang Hucheng had to kidnap him, in order to force Chiang into an alliance with Mao, and this incident is known as the Xi'an Incident. Otherwise, Chiang would have never allied with Mao against the Japanese.
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  16562. +Daniel Vedberg Sekulic Did you just copied an entire wall of texts (from somebody's argument) and just hope to explain why the treaty is illegal? Why don't you actually read what you posted instead and come up with your own argument? Accord to your post,"However, according to international law, this DOES NOT invalidate an agreement. So long as there is no physical violence against the signatories, an agreement is valid." Since there was no physical violence against the signatories (Tibetan government and Dalai Lama) then isn't the treaty considered valid then? Why is it one moment you claim "The use of newly-made personal seals instead of official governmental seals was not legal." then when earlier you claimed "That seal, however, was NOT the official seal of the Tibetan government, so not using it DID NOT lessen the validity of the agreement." Aren't you contradicting yourself here? And PLA tropps did not initiate "physical violence" so as long as there is no physical violence against the signatories, an agreement is valid isn't it? That's clearly what you said earlier. The government did not "alter the existing political system in Tibet." Tibet has its own political system and a new Dalai Lama in Tibet, so how exactly did China alter the political system in Tibet? Can you explain how China did not honor these commitments? According to statistics, Tibet's population was 1.14 million in 1951, but it has tripled to roughly 3.18 million Tibetans in 2014, and the population demographics are about 90% Tibetans and 8% Han Chinese. So why do you claim "As a result, Tibetans are now vastly outnumbered by Chinese migrants who receive preferential treatment in education, jobs and private enterprises." when Tibetans are still the majority in Tibet? Where's your statistical proof? Source:Facts & Figures: Tibet's population is.china-embassy.org/eng/zt/ChinasTibet/t427565.htm I have shown that over decades, Tibetans only had about 100 or so self-immolations. Look at India with over 1,000 self-immolations occurring every year. Isn't that a much more serious self immolation? You mean just because 100 Tibetans choose to self-immolate, means the 3,180,000 Tibetans must all listen to their demands is that it? What makes you think Tibetan self-immolators represent all of Tibetan's views? The United Nations still recognize that Tibet is an autonomous region of China. I mean, if you think that they don't, then why doesn't US President Trump bring up Tibet during his meetings with Chinese President Xi? Why don't Russian President Putin, or German Chancellor Merkel, or British PM Theresa May, bring up the issue of Tibetan independence to President Xi? When people draw the map of People's Republic of China, Tibet is always included as part of China. The Central Tibetan Administration is not even recognised as a sovereign government by any country (not USA, UK, France, Russia, Germany, China... even India, its host country) so what makes you think people will listen to its voice? If you want to know how Tibetans feel about China, then why not ask the Tibetans INSIDE Tibet, not the Tibetans OUTSIDE Tibet? Source:Central Tibetan Administration wikipedia.org/wiki/Central_Tibetan_Administration The International Commission of Jurists (ICJ) is a NON-GOVERNMENT organization, so it does not have the same powers as a country's government and therefore, cannot legally recognize Tibet as Independent. Even Britain and Russia had recognized China's suzerainty over Tibet in 1907 , Great Britain and Russia engage not to enter into negotiations with Tibet except through the intermediary of the Chinese Government, so how was Tibet recognized as its own independent state then? Can you provide actual Source:The Governments of Great Britain and Russia recognizing the suzerain rights of China in Thibet tibetjustice.org/materials/treaties/treaties12.html
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  16563. +Daniel Vedberg Sekulic You said you quoted actual parts of both those who are Tibetan in exile as well as law makers, but how do you expect me to know who said what, if you don't label them at all? I have read and pointed out contradictions in your statement (such as saying on moment that "The use of newly-made personal seals instead of official governmental seals was not legal." then the next moment that "That seal, however, was not the official seal of the Tibetan government, so not using it did not lessen the validity of the agreement." So how do you expect me to know who said what when you don't label them? You claimed the Tibetans claimed duress when PLA troops occupied Tibet, but you said so yourselve that "However, according to international law, this does not invalidate an agreement. So long as there is no physical violence against the signatories, an agreement is valid." So since the PLA troops occupied that territory, but did not resort to violence against the signatories, then the agreement is still valid, according to your words. How did China broke our agreement? Could you be more specific about which part that China did not honor our agreement? The Panchen Lama was delegated by the Daial Lama to sign the agreement, and the Dalai Lama even sent a letter indicating his acceptance was also sent to Beijing in the form of a telegram on 24 October: "The Tibet Local Government as well as the ecclesiastic and secular people unanimously support this agreement, and under the leadership of Chairman Mao and the Central People's Government, will actively support the People's Liberation Army in Tibet to consolidate national defence, drive out imperialist influences from Tibet and safeguard the unification of the territory and the sovereignty of the Motherland." -Telegram from Dalai Lama to Beijing on 24 Oct 1951. I did not copied my statements about building universities and other modern technology from any source, and they are my own statements. Tibet has 5 universities and they were all established ONLY after they became part of China in 1951. That means under the Dalai Lama rule, there were NO universities in Tibet at all, Source:List of universities and colleges in Tibet wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_universities_and_colleges_in_Tibet The Tibetan Flag is illegal, because Tibet is autonomous region of China, and not its own independent country. I mean, which country formally recognize Tibet as independent? I have shown that even Great Britain and Russia recognized China's suzerainty over Tibet, so when was Tibet ever independent? Does President Trump of USA recognize Tibet as Independent? Does Russian President Putin? Does German Chancellor Merkel? Does British PM Theresa May? I mean, you claim China's occupation of Tibet is illegal, then why aren't USA, Russia, UK, etc, bringing up the issue of Tibet, during all those UN summits and meetings? You said the Tibetans get heavily discriminated by the Chinese government but how? I have shown that the population of Tibet has tripled from about 1 million in 1952 to about 3 million in 2014, with 90% of the population being Tibetans and only 8% Han Chinese. Its because Tibetans are exempted by the One-Child Policy (which only affect Han Chinese) and they can have as many children as they want. Tibetans enjoy special healthcare benefits and educational bursaries. For example, if Han Chinese require, say 600 points, to qualify for a university course, then Tibetans need only 400 points (easier) to qualify for the same course as Han Chinese. Tibetans also enjoy free education up to university and special tax exemptions that Han Chinese do not get to enjoy. So how exactly are Tibetans discriminated? In Religion? Here is a video about a foreigner's experience in Lhasa, Tibet, and you can see that so many Tibetans are prostrating themselves in prayer. The guy has been to Tibet before 10 years ago, and he remarks upon how much Tibet has changed, being more touristy now. Video:Welcome to Lhasa Tibet - Exploring the City (by Vafa Anderson) youtu.be/J-TfN56ETVM?t=301 I mean, if you really think that the 17th point agreement is illegal (and you believe you have enough evidence to prove your case) then why doesn't anyone directly confront the Chinese government about 17th point agreement then and bring China to court? Nobody stopping your countries from bringing up Tibet issue to the International Court of Justice for example. And in virtually every map of PRC drawn, Tibet is always included as part of China.
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  16717.  @manu3939393  You clearly stated the Cambridge definition of banned is "to forbid" so is YouTube forbidden in China? Obviously not, no one will come arrest you just for login into YouTube while in China, so how is YouTube banned/forbidden in China? You said: "神州 Shenzhou Man I never said that people get arrested for it, stop twisting my words." but did I ever said you said people get arrested for logging into YouTube while in China? Nobody will come arrest you just for login into YouTube while in China, those are my words, not yours. CGTN, CCTV and Xinhua News do exist for Chinese people on YouTube, no one is stopping Chinese from watching those channels on YouTube. And the government monitors VPN providers and crackdown on those illegal VPN providers, but as long as you use a government-approved VPN provider in China, then the government will leave you alone. Also, what do you mean by "Are you this delusional to think they don't have a requirement for these providers to look into the data?!" As long as you have VPN in China, you can access Western websites like Facebook, YouTube, Google, how will the government restrict you from accessing those websites if you use a government-approved VPN? VPN improves privacy, this is true. I never said that you said VPN is expensive, I'm the one saying that VPNs aren't terribly expensive and beyond the reach of ordinary people. According to the following chart, around 90 million VPN users in China have accessed restricted social networks. blog.gwi.com/chart-of-the-day/90-million-vpn-users-in-china-have-accessed-restricted-social-networks/
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  16725.  @bartonlee3594  You said: "The Ant debacle shows otherwise, in my view." Ant Financial's IPO deal would have not only added risk to the financial system, but there was growing concerns over Ant's complex ownership structure. The deal would have made 21 individual shareholders richer by at least $1 billion, further strengthening the capitalist control. The Chinese government wrested control away from the capitalists through the cancellation of the IPO deal. You said: "Also, the Evergrande and other construction-company near bankruptcies show that government housing policy has been a disaster." Home ownership in China has literally reached more than 90% (87% in urban and 96% in rural China) (Clark, Huang, & Yi, 2019) and at the same time, more than 20% Chinese households own multiple homes, higher than many developed nations (Huang et al., 2020). So how is China's government housing policy been a disaster? The problem arises when there are too many houses bought for speculation on property prices, without anyone living in them. As President Xi Jinping said: "Houses are for living in, not for speculation! (房子是用来住的、不是用来炒的!)" so there needs to be government intervention to stop over speculation of housing prices. You said: "We DO have major monopolies in China that drag down economic growth while ratcheting up government debt." Yes, what needs to be done is to identify such bad actors and for government intervention to stop those monopolies and capitalists from attaining too much power (like they have done so in the West). You said: " The long-term policy of throwing money at new infrastructure no longer has much validity, in my view." Could you elaborate why you think so? Infrastructure like roads, railways, highways, bridges, tunnels, are tangible assets that improve connectivity and contribute to improvement of living standards, so why are you of the view that they no longer have much validity? I'm willing to hear you out.
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  16733.  @bartonlee3594  You said: "The Great Leap Forward caused starvation that killed a lot of people." The Great Chinese Famine was caused by bad weather conditions like the 1958 Yellow River Flood (mentioned above) that submerged over half a million acres of crops, resulting in bad harvests and mass starvation. Also there were droughts in 1960 that further reduced grain in China, and the U.S also imposed embargoes on food exports to China, further exacerbating the starvation. You said: "Mao was unhinged in the last years of his life." More of your ad hominem attacks against Chairman Mao? Just like your earlier statement about "Did you know that he had venereal disease when he died?" what has this even got to do with his contributions to China? It's like you're just attacking him personally instead of debating seriously. You said: "the state introduced a system of compulsory state purchases of grain at fixed prices to build up stockpiles for famine-relief and meet the terms of its trade agreements with the Soviet Union." Well, isn't it good to build up a stockpile for famine-relief? Also the local provincial governments had grossly exaggerated the crop yields to Mao and lied to him. When Mao personally visited the fields, the local governments had men secretly transplant stalks from dying fields to healthy fields whenever Mao walked by, giving the illusion of a bumper harvest, so Mao thought there was sufficient grain to export to pay back the Soviet Union for machinery imports. So is it really Mao's fault when he was lied to by the provincial governments? You said: "Attempts were made to enhance rural education and the status of women (allowing them to initiate divorce if they desired) and ending foot-binding, child marriage and opium addiction." Well, isn't that good? During the Cultural Revolution, the peasants in the rural countryside could finally get an education thanks to Mao Zedong, and women too were granted the rights to education, divorce rights as well as getting rid of horrible traditions like foot-binding. As Mao said: "Women hold up half the sky" (妇女能顶半边天) Mao Zedong is the reason why China today is a strong and reunified country today as the People's Republic of China 🇨🇳, instead of the weak and divided country that was the Republic of China 🇹🇼 (1912-1949). Yet Mao is poorly understood in the West today, they deliberately frame his policies as evil as part of the Red Scare (fear of communism) mentality.
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  16789. +Crazy Asian Why do you keep mocking me being naive? Trump may not truly withdraw from NATO, but he is negotiate better terms for USA in NATO. NATO represents military interest of several countries, so how is it completely different from US military bases in South Korea and Japan? USA is not obliged to defend NATO countries if American citizens are unhappy about US military expenditure in NATO. That's one of reason Trump supporters voted for him in the first place right? Where is the lost of face from reducing US military expenditure in NATO? What proof do you have of Japan and S. Korea developing nuclear weapons once US troops withdraw? Both of them are NPT signatories, so where are they going to acquire nuclear weapon technology supplies from? Who will supply them with nuclear weapons? North Korean missiles can't even reach US mainland, so where is the inherent threat to US way of living? The closest that US mainland has ever come to being in great danger, was during Cuban Missile crisis, so what is the threat level faced by USA today? You think N. Korea won't be wiped off the map, once it attack USA? USA still suffers from occasional terrorists attack within its own soil. By sending its troops to Iraq, Afghanistan and Libya, it is only destroying the lives of Middle Eastern countries, and therefore, the ranks of the terrorists swell with more and more poor people unhappy with USA. Even when one terrorist cell brought down, another rises in its place. Look at Taliban once being trained by CIA, which then rebel against USA. Even ISIS is said to be product of US constant intervention in Middle East. Guam has been on a quest for self-governance since 1980s. However, the federal government rejected the version of a commonwealth that the government of Guam proposed. Even the United Nations is in favor of greater self-determination for Guam and other such territories. Can't you see that USA is purposely keeping Guam as part of its territory, without making it a proper state of America and even giving it the right to vote to voice its opinions? I use "our" to refer to East Asia, not America. If war breaks out in East Asia, it will be millions of Chinese, Japanese and especially Koreans dying, while Americans will still be relatively safe in US mainland. USA is the one sending its warships and military assets halfway across the globe unnecessarily to possibly declare war in Asia. China will not let USA turn peaceful Asia into battleground like the conflicted Middle East and destroy our decades of progress achieved here.
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  16790. +Crazy Asian Why do you constantly insult me? How is having military bases in South Korea and Japan contribute to "national security"? US soldiers in Okinawa bases sometimes rape the local Okinawans, but the Japanese government can't do anything about it. And there is alot of prostitution going on in US miltary bases in S. Korea, which the S. Koreans do not appreciate. What has this got to do with security of US mainland at all? If Guam is truly US territory, then why aren't Guam citizens allowed to vote for US president, like rest of American states? Its not even considered a commonwealth, like Puerto Rico, so what exactly is Guam, if not a territory held captive by US federal government? Those babies born in Guam may have US passport, but they still lack the ability to participate in US politics through voting. What has me being Chinese got to do with my political views about Guam? Do you discriminate people's political views by their race and their people? Chinese government has made multiple repeated requests for Indian troops to withdraw from our territory. The government has also given India a deadline to act, otherwise, there will be possibly military consequences, such as deployment of more PLA troops, attack helicopters and Multi-Rocket Launcher vehicles to the area. You think our government is like Trump, just deciding to bombard Syria airbase with 59 Tomahawk missiles, just like that? Some Chinese politicians are moving their families out of China, because of pollution issues, or because of corruption crackdown tracing the source of their wealth. It is not simple affair, but regardless, they are still CPC members and are still expected to participate in China's politics.
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  16832.  @EzraFieldsofStrawberry  "Preface: They say there is no ethnic/religious component to what is happening and say it is about combating "terrorism." That excuse sounds the same as the excuses the United States gave for the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq. I can't buy that excuse, especially with the mountain of evidence that proves otherwise." Why do you think it isn't combating terrorism? Previously, Xinjiang Uighur Autonomous Region used to be plagued by terrorist attacks perpetrated by misguided Ughurs such as the 1992 Ürümqi bombings, the 1997 Ürümqi bus bombings, the 2010 Aksu bombing, the 2011 Hotan attack, 2011 Kashgar attacks, and the 2014 Ürümqi attack Source: 1992 Ürümqi bombings wikipedia.org/wiki/1992_%C3%9Cr%C3%BCmqi_bombings Source: 1997 Ürümqi bus bombings wikipedia.org/wiki/1997_%C3%9Cr%C3%BCmqi_bus_bombings Source: 2010 Aksu bombing wikipedia.org/wiki/2010_Aksu_bombing Source: 2011 Hotan attack wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_Hotan_attack Source: 2011 Kashgar attacks wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_Kashgar_attacks Source: April 2014 Ürümqi attack wikipedia.org/wiki/April_2014_%C3%9Cr%C3%BCmqi_attack But thanks to the government program in Xinjiang, there have been no more terrorist attacks in Xinjiang since. This implies that the government is really "combating terrorism" and it works because there's no more terrorist attacks in Xinjiang since. So why do you believe that it's not combating terrorism? Because USA gave the same excuses for Afghanistan and Iraq? Former US President Bush had invaded Iraq on suspicion of harbouring Weapons of Mass Destruction, but after invading Iraq, no evidence of WMDs were found. Turns out that the vial of suspicious powder they were waving about, was common detergent powder, not evidence of WMDs. Given US history of fabricating evidence to justify wars in the Middle East, isn't it possible that USA is doing the same thing to China by fabricating evidence in order to stir up anti-China sentiment among Americans?
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  16833.  @EzraFieldsofStrawberry  "1. Increased population doesn't disprove genocide, genocide is more than killing of people, it is eradication and assimilation of a culture. Naturally population increases over time so that isn't surprising that it would increase." About eradication and assimilation of culture, if you go to Xinjiang and look around, the Uighur language is still very much in use throughout the region. Street signs, shop signs, even restaurant menus have Uighur language written on them in Xinjiang. Uighur culture is celebrated across Xinjiang through festivals, dances traditional clothing, Uighurs musical instruments, even Chinese media like CGTN, CCTV, Xinhua (New China) TV prominent feature Uighur culture in the spotlight. Even the Chinese Renminbi bill contains Uighur language, as one of the minority languages, this shows China's commitment to preserving ethic minority languages and traditions. If there was really a cultural genocide going on in Xinjiang, why would Chinese media prominent feature Uighur culture in the spotlight? …… You said: "Increase in GDP could indicate that wealthier people are moving to the region rather than minority populations becoming better off." That's a possibility, yes. But let me then ask you this, what do these wealthier people do with their money after moving to Xinjiang? They spend their money in Xinjiang, sampling Uighur cuisine, invest in businesses, hire local Uighurs, buying local produce, and so on. Money is flowing into Xinjiang from rest of China regardless. …… You said: "The regions with the biggest growth and wealth increase, have Uygher vastly in the minority (Ürümqi is ~13% Uygher)." For a long time, China's development strategy is to let a few places become rich first, before gradually spreading the wealth towards the more impoverished regions. It's easier to a few people out of poverty first before distributing the wealth, rather than trying to lift everyone out of poverty at once. China did this by allowing the port cities like Shanghai, Shenzhen, Guangzhou, to develop first, before developing the more landlocked regions like Xinjiang and Tibet. Same thing that China is letting Urumqi develop first before gradually spreading the wealth into the more remote regions of Xinjiang.
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  16883.  @fukushimaisrevelation2817  The world is currently flawed with it's pursuit of a fiat currency, but this was facilitated by capitalism, overproducing goods and seeking profits at the expense of the environment. However, if you study what communism truly is, a communist society is one which is classless, stateless, and effectively cashless. Because in a truly communist society, goods are doled out according to needs, not purchased by people with cash. It's in a capitalist society that allows goods to go to people who have the money to afford it. Take the unequal distribution of Covid-19 vaccines for example. The rich developed countries are buying up and hoarding all the Covid-19 vaccine, leaving little to none for the poorer developing countries. For example, Canada has pre-bought enough Covid-19 vaccines to vaccinate 5-7 times its population. Imagine 1 Canadian having access to 5 vaccines, whereas elsewhere, 10 Africans have to fight for access to 1 vaccine. This is because in a capitalist society the goods go to those who can afford it. Had instead we've been living in a truly communist society, then the scarce vaccines supply would be distributed according to needs. As the Marxist saying goes: "From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs" (German: Jeder nach seinen Fähigkeiten, jedem nach seinen Bedürfnissen) Like Tedros of the WHO said, it's better to have some people in all countries vaccinated against the virus, than to have all people in some countries vaccinated.
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  16900.  @ewchi-m4n012  Of course the cost of living in Tier 1 cities like Shanghai, Beijing, Shenzhen, is higher than in other lower tiered cities, but the Tier 2 cities (i.e Changsha, Suzhou, Xi'an, Xiamen, Chongqing, Tianjin, Qingdao, Ningbo, Kunming, etc) have a drastically lower cost of living compared to Tier 1, and in some cases, the Tier 2 living standards are almost on par with Tier 1 (except for the noticeable lack of foreigners). Also, I don't know what apartment your Chinese neighbors lived in Shanghai, but just looking off YouTube videos about apartment in Shanghai, there's a wide range of prices and some of them are really good for the price. Again, having more money in Taiwan doesn't necessarily translate to being richer, because the higher cost of living in Taiwan than mainland cities (apart from the Tier 1 cities) means that they spend more on food, clothing, rent, transport, and other daily necessities, compared to in mainland China. Wage stagnation in Taiwan also plays a factor. After the 1997 economic crisis, Taiwan’s minimum wage flatlined for a period lasting a decade from 1997 to 2007. Taiwan used to have a higher minimum wage than South Korea’s, but this changed after 2005, when Taiwan’s wages stagnated to such an extent that it could no longer keep up with South Korea. In fact, Taiwan’s minimum wage was twice as high as South Korea from the late-1980s through to the mid-1990s, but the situation has reversed today where South Korea’s minimum wage is now double that of Taiwan’s. Yet you still claim Taiwan is doing better than the mainland? You said: "And who cares if someone says the houses are for something if most of the market is oriented to investments." I'm sure the young wage-earners in Taiwan would care if the affordability of housing prices are within reach, rather than having housing prices soar due to speculation.
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  16904.  @ewchi-m4n012  "神州 Shenzhou obviously i agree with that statement," Well, you never actually stated outright that you agreed with Xi's statement. In fact, looking back on our long conversation, it appears that you've almost never agreed with anything I wrote. It's like you harbor disdain for China's achievements under communist party leadership, and seemingly resort to smearing China's success at every opportunity. You said: "So if i say that china is is doing better than taiwan" But you never actually said that, you've been saying the reverse, that Taiwan is doing better than the mainland, without actually citing evidence. The most was you mentioning a handful of Taiwan companies, when it is the mainland companies that are dominating lists in reality. You said: "That thing could have succeded but now the taiwanese people want to mantain the status quo." And the status quo is that Taiwan is part of China, since there hasn't been any amendments to Taiwan's constitution nor has there been any formal declaration of independence. Such a declaration would be akin to changing the status quo which is a result that the majority of the people of Taiwan do not want. In the long run, the status quo leans towards reunification, because of China's immense economic growth facilitating economic integration of Taiwan with the mainland, and as long as peace prevails, it's inevitable that Taiwan will fully return back to China in the future. Time is on the side of reunification. You said: "And in all countries you can find affordable hosuing if you take the right opportunities when they appear," Well, why then did you bring up your Chinese neighbors remarks about a way more expensive and very crappy apartment in Shanghai had you known about such a thing? You should know about the range of houses, yet you seek to mock China at every opportunity.
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  16925.  @ewchi-m4n012  You said: "Yes, there obviously are more billionaires in china, but if we compare it to the percentage of the population, acording to forbes magazine china have 539 billionaires and taiwan 51." Then how can you claim that mainland China is way poorer than Taiwan when we have more billionaires that Taiwan? You said: "We've already confirmed that the the minimum wage in taiwan leaves more money to spend, than in china even with the increased cost of living." No, that's only for Taipei, which represents 11% of the Taiwan's population, compared to Shanghai, which represents only 1% of the mainland's population. So what about the other 89% of Taiwan's population and 99% of mainland China's population? You said: " with the minimum wage in all of taiwan, $912, we can see that the cost varies in 200$," You specifically said: "with provinces with wages below 200$.", so I am referring to the cost of living in those provinces being cheaper. I've already previously shown this and I'll repeat it again: -Comparing Taipei with Chengdu, you would need around 24,351.61¥ (108,210.09NT$) in Taipei to maintain the same standard of life that you can have with 18,000.00¥ in Chengdu (assuming you rent in both cities). -Comparing Taipei with Changsha, you would need around 25,123.43¥ (111,639.81NT$) in Taipei to maintain the same standard of life that you can have with 15,000.00¥ in Changsha (assuming you rent in both cities). -Comparing Taipei with Xi'an, you would need around 24,992.77¥ (111,059.19NT$) in Taipei to maintain the same standard of life that you can have with 13,000.00¥ in Xi'an (assuming you rent in both cities). -Comparing Taipei with Qingdao, you would need around 24,372.80¥ (108,304.25NT$) in Taipei to maintain the same standard of life that you can have with 13,000.00¥ in Qingdao, Shandong (assuming you rent in both cities). -Comparing Taipei with Tianjin, you would need around 24,401.64¥ (108,432.43NT$) in Taipei to maintain the same standard of life that you can have with 16,000.00¥ in Tianjin (assuming you rent in both cities).
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  16975. +Chirm Music China was having Chinese Civil War at that time, so of course Chinese people killed Chinese and China won. Just like in American Civil War, Americans killed Americans and America won. What sort of double standards are you applying here? And did you see how USA caused genocide of Native Americans, occupied their lands today, and imported slaves from Africa to do laborious work for them? Look, the European colonization of the Americas has one of the highest death tolls in the world. List of Wars by Death Toll wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wars_and_anthropogenic_disasters_by_death_toll As for free speech, what about Wikileaks whistleblower Edward Snowden, who's now a US fugitive and seeking asylum in Russia? What about USA funding bad and corrupted states like Saudi Arabia, where these is severe human rights violations (such as women not being allowed to drive)? Didn't President Trump just turn a blind eye to the Saudi Arabian Crown Prince and dismiss his involvement in the murder of a journalist? Trump 'stands with' Saudi Arabia and defends crown prince over Khashoggi theguardian.com/us-news/2018/nov/20/trump-saudi-arabia-jamal-khashoggi-crown-prince At least China supplies humanitarian aid to North Korea (such as food and medical supplies) but the USA just keep on slapping sanctions on DPRK and cause famine of its citizens. What about USA being involved in Gulf War, Iraq War, Libyan War, Afghan War, etc, bombing cities, killing civilians, destroying property, and causing those people to be homeless, jobless and without family, so they flock to join the terrorists. That's why when you eliminate one terrorist cell, another pops up back in its place. To me, all those unnecessary loss of lives by USA is much more serious than some repressed free speech or cracking down on dissidents or whatever.
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  16997.  @matthewmorgan7106  Chiang kai-Shek even served in the Japanese Army from 1909 to 1911. He purged communists from KMT and their removal of Communists from within the ranks allowed him free reign to give himself what amounted to dictatorial power over much of China. Source: 11 Things You Should Know About Chiang Kai-shek https://theculturetrip.com/asia/taiwan/articles/11-things-know-chiang-kai-shek/ When the Japanese invaded Manchuria, Chiang refused to face the Japanese invaders, until two of his subordinates, Generals Zhang Xueliang and Yang Hucheng, had to kidnap him to get him to ally with the communists in a united front against the Japanese. (Xi'an Incident) Additionally, the Communists actually saved his leadership, and it’s often forgotten that without the Communists’ help, Chiang would never have survived as a political force, since was the communists who convinced the officers to release Chiang and allow him to take control of the government once again. Chiang’s efforts against the Japanese gained him some influential friends. And although the Communist General Mao was responsible for much of the damage inflicted upon the Japanese, it was Chiang who got the credit mainly from Britain and the US. When civil war broke out in China, Chiang expected help from the allies, but after a long campaign against both the Japanese and the Germans, the US and Britain were reluctant to get involved in a civil war. His Western ‘friends’ literally abandoned him. He suppressed local culture in Taiwan (White Terror) and was responsible for the imprisonment of 140,000 Taiwanese. These people were taken captive for their alleged opposition to the KMT. At this time, anyone openly criticizing the ruling party was deemed a Communist sympathizer. He held the Taiwan presidency for 25 years. He held the Taiwan under a permanent state of martial law, thus ensuring his power was absolute. In fact, the constitution only allowed for two terms in power, but with martial law as his excuse, Chiang could rule indefinitely.
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  17035.  @anthonyfuqua6988  Earlier you said: "The last 70 years Taiwan has built an amazing economy and transitioned from a dictatorship under Chiang Kai-Shek into a representative democracy." Taiwan's success was clearly built upon authoritarianism. Taiwan had been under authoritarian single-party KMT rule for more than half its life. For decades the KMT ruled Taiwan with iron fist and Chiang kai-shek was a dictator who jailed and executed dissidents and political rivals (whether real or perceived) in a period known as White Terror (白色恐怖) and imposed martial law on Taiwan for more than 38 years, which was qualified as "the longest imposition of martial law by a regime anywhere in the world" at that time. But under authoritarian single-party KMT rule, Taiwan actually flourished and prospered, in what's known as the Taiwan Miracle (台湾奇迹). Between 1952 – 1982, Taiwan's economic growth was on average 8.7%, and between 1983 – 1986 at 6.9%. Taiwan GDP grew by 360% between 1965 – 1986. The percentage of global exports was over 2% in 1986, over other recently industrialized countries, and the global industrial production output grew a further 680% between 1965 – 1986. And its all been achieved under KMT leadership. Only in the late 1990s, when democracy was introduced (because USA threatened to cut off weapons sales to Taiwan) did Taiwan's economic growth became more modest. Since then, Taiwan's economy has stagnated, wages are stagnant, cost of living is rising, unemployment is rising and Taiwan graduates are increasingly seeking jobs abroad, such as in Singapore or mainland China.
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  17064.  @fireturkeyfly11  You said: "There are so many things going right and so many more things go wrong in China internally. The whole core system in the society is corrupt." Yes, China has problems just like every other country. Corruption is a universal phenomena and every country suffers from corruption to a certain degree and President Xi Jinping has vowed to tackle the mountain of corruption inherent with the communist party. Several high ranking and low ranking communist officials have been arrested for corruption, but when is the last time a country like the United States had a corruption crackdown of it's own? For example, Hilary Clinton is corrupt politician, and Donald Trump promised to jail her during his presidential campaign. But after he became president, no further action been taken against Clinton for corruption. "The Party is trying to patch this and that but never the core issues." So what are the core issues? Tackling poverty? The Communist Party has lifted millions of people out of poverty into middle-income class. Granted it's not perfect, but it shows the CPC's commitment to tackling the core issues. Tackling corruption? President Xi Jinping has anti-corruption crackdowns like I mentioned earlier. Tackling pollution? China has built the world's largest hydroelectric power station, Three Gorges Dam to help reduce our CO2 emissions. Video: Largest Dam in the World youtu.be/j3J196bLP5E "It is majority of common Chinese people suffer, big time." Have you actually been to China and seen what life is like here for yourself? Life is improving everyday in China. According to a recent Harvard University and Ash Center study, around 80-90% of Chinese citizens support the Communist Party of China. A Harvard University survey has found that Chinese citizens' satisfaction with government has increased virtually across the board, with the central authorities receiving the strongest level of approval, increasing from 86 percent to 93 percent between 2003 and 2016, the period of the study.
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  17074.  @achillesrodriguezxx3958  "PRC is exploiting the 200 mile maritime rule rule to expand... Sooner or later you will start claiming islands further south and it will become my country's conflict soon" Which islands south are within 200 nautical miles of Singapore, in which China can (supposedly) exploit to infringe upon Singapore’s territorial sovereignty? Can you name me those islands within 200 NM of Singapore in which China can supposedly launch a territorial claim? If not, then doesn't that mean that you are simply fear-mongering without any proof of your claims? And while mainland China did indeed confiscate military equipment from Singapore Army, we later released them back to Singapore. Your ships stopped at Hong Kong port and are subject to Hong Kong Semi Autonomous Region laws while docked in Hong Kong. China’s Foreign ministry spokesman Geng Shuang said China is currently verifying the related details when asked if Singapore has to contact the Chinese Foreign Ministry for the release of the vehicles. Source: China comments on SAF armoured vehicles and equipment seized, as SAF sends officers to Hong Kong straitstimes.com/asia/east-asia/saf-team-on-their-way-to-hong-kong-to-address-security-of-seized-equipment "All people and goods entering Hong Kong Special Administrative Region should follow the laws of the SAR. I'd like to reiterate that the Chinese government firmly opposes any of the countries that has diplomatic ties with us to have any form of official exchanges with Taiwan, including defence exchanges and cooperation," said Mr Geng in response to another related question. Your ship docked at our harbour then you should obey our laws.
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  17084.  @EmperorCQX  "In fact when I read 'berate for speaking Mandarin,' who told you that? I speak Mandarin all the time same as most Singaporeans who have the proficiency to do so. I was never berated by anyone." That's exactly the kind of double standards that I'm talking about. When Singaporeans speak Mandarin, nobody cares, but when Chinese national does it, some Singaporeans are against mainlanders speaking Mandarin? What biased double standards is this? Here's a video of Singaporean scolding a Chinese worker from China, just for speaking Mandarin in Singapore. Video: Singaporean scolds worker from China for not speaking English youtu.be/ygm-SoTU6aQ So why the double standards here? And I never said that all Singaporeans are Anti-Chinese (though you have repeatedly tried to paint that stance onto me) I clearly said that only 'some Singaporeans' are Anti-Chinese that's all (and I illustrated using examples) so how am I incorrect, you tell me? "I mentioned on my very first post to you, the social problems brought into our society, is without any groundless accusations" When did you ever said this? You said that "The only thing that I am worried is the attitude of Chinese news (sounded demanding) and local beliefs that Singapore is anti-China, which is very prominent when my parents made a visit to my fiance's family." so where did you ever said that the social problems brought into society, is without groundless accusations? I've already given some examples of how mainland Chinese are discriminated in jobs and housing (and even just speaking Mandarin in Singapore) yet you continually dismiss my claims that's all. "And does that justify a nation wide brain washing by Chinese backed media (I forgot which CCTV but it was aired on TV with misleading info)" Excuse me, but you can't even remember which Chinese backed state media you are talking about, then what makes you think that there's nation wide brainwashing of Anti-Singapore stance by Chinese state media? Where's your proof? You forgot? Then how to respond to your claim when you can't even provide adequate proof of your claims?
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  17085.  @EmperorCQX  You said "There is no point in trying to be righteous how about multiple scams that Chinese citizens initially had on local populace.... One of many social problems" https://www.todayonline.com/singapore/victims-china-officials-impersonation-scam-cheated-s188-million-jan-nov-2019-police I have read your article but whoever said that Chinese citizens are behind the China officials impersonation scams? Where does it say that the scammers are Chinese citizens as detailed in your source? You're just being biased against Chinese citizens that's all and hurling groundless accusations against us mainlanders. Upon doing further research into China officials impersonation scam, it's actually revealed that Malaysian scammers are behind the China officials impersonation scam, so why are you so quick to blame Chinese citizens for this particular scam? You assume that just because it's a "China official impersonation scam," means that Chinese citizens are behind the scam? Here are the sources showing that Malaysians are behind the scam. Two Malaysian men have been arrested for their suspected involvement in a series of China officials impersonation scams, the Singapore Police Force (SPF) announced at a press conference Source: 2 Malaysians arrested in China officials impersonation scam syndicate; S$590,000 seized channelnewsasia.com/news/singapore/2-malaysian-men-arrested-in-china-officials-impersonation-scam-10384422 Source: Malaysian man nabbed over China officials impersonation scams involving more than $200k straitstimes.com/singapore/courts-crime/malaysian-man-nabbed-over-china-officials-impersonation-scams-involving-more Police arrested a third Malaysian man for his suspected involvement in an impersonation scam that took place in 2017 and cost a woman almost $5.4 million. Source: Singapore impersonation scam: Woman lost about $5.4 million, police arrest Malaysian man ibtimes.sg/singapore-impersonation-scam-woman-lost-about-5-4-million-police-arrest-malaysian-man-28798 So why blame Chinese citizens when it Malaysians that are behind the China officials impersonation scam? You're just biased against Chinese mainlanders that's all, by jumping to conclusions that Chinese citizens are behind the scam.
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  17086.  @EmperorCQX  "神州 Shenzhou 神州 Shenzhou 神州 Shenzhou 神州 Shenzhou 神州 Shenzhou 神州 Shenzhou 神州 Shenzhou 神州 Shenzhou 神州 Shenzhou 神州 Shenzhou You see, that's the thing, you are trying to illustrate your point by using small amount of cases of bad individuals to make a stand point." Because I never said that all Singaporeans are Anti-Chinese, I clearly only said 'some Singaporeans' so that's why I only use a small amount of cases to illustrate my point. Otherwise, how else am I going to prove my logic, you tell me? I never said that "Overall, Singaporeans are Anti-Chinese" it was you who made such a claim yourself. And there really is double standards, because you Singaporeans don't get ridiculed for speaking Mandarin, but somehow, some Singaporeans ridicule mainlanders just for speaking Mandarin? There clearly exists a double standard, so why are you constantly denying it then? I mean, I'm the one illustrating some anti-Chinese bias by Singaporeans, whereas you said that Chinese state media is Anti-Singapore, yet you can't even quote a single example of how exactly is Chinese backed media Anti-Singapore. You conveniently forgot which CCTV it is, then apparently the problem lies with you, not me. I give examples of anti-Chinese behaviour expressed by some Singaporeans, but you've given me nothing about Anti-Singapore sentiment by Chinese state media. It wasn't in your first post? Another mistake it seems? You said "the social problems brought into society, is without groundless accusations" then is there anything wrong when I bring up the case of Singaporean scolding a Chinese worker from China for not speaking English? It is a grounded accusation after all, yet you still keep saying I'm incorrect? You said: "And please for goodness sake, it was last year when I was watching local TV in China, as I was there to watch the entire program." You watched the entire program on local TV in China? Then why can't you remember the name of the documentary that you watched completely? I mean, you've given me nothing to work with, no title, no program, so how do you expect me to find out the contents of the program you watched, you tell me? You're making an accusation on China being Anti-Singapore based on a single program, then you automatically assumed that Chinese state media is Anti-Singapore? You said: "So you are telling me that the Anti - China Singapore sentiment is not true in China? Oh boy, this do not need any proof, there is a substantial amount in China and both you and I know that." Firstly, what is Anti - China Singapore sentiment? Do you perhaps mean Anti China-Singapore relations sentiment? Because I've shown earlier that Chinese media praising the Sino-Singapore Guangzhou Knowledge City partnership, yet you still insist that Chinese backed media is Anti-Singapore? Why don't you give me the example? You forgot? But you watched the entire program you said. I mean, why don't you ever offer any example (whatsoever) of Anti-Singapore sentiment expressed in China? I mean, I've given you numerous examples of anti-Chinese sentiments expressed in Singapore, but you given me nothing. Just talk without proof. And once again, I'm not saying that all Singaporeans are Anti-Chinese, I'm only saying 'some Singaporeans are Anti-Chinese' that's all.
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  17087.  @EmperorCQX  Why don't you respond to the topic of "Chinese official impersonation scams" that you yourself brought up? You apparently think that the scam was perpetrated by Chinese citizens, when I already shown that it was actually Malaysians that were behind the China officials impersonation scam, so why are you blaming Chinese citizens when it was revealed that Malaysian scammers were actually were behind it? Two Malaysian men have been arrested for their suspected involvement in a series of China officials impersonation scams, the Singapore Police Force. Source: 2 Malaysians arrested in China officials impersonation scam syndicate; S$590,000 seized channelnewsasia.com/news/singapore/2-malaysian-men-arrested-in-china-officials-impersonation-scam-10384422 Source: Malaysian man nabbed over China officials impersonation scams involving more than $200k straitstimes.com/singapore/courts-crime/malaysian-man-nabbed-over-china-officials-impersonation-scams-involving-more Here's the direct source from the Singapore Police Force. In November 2017, a victim of a China Officials Impersonation scam lost about S$5.4 million to scammers after she was led to believe that she had to surrender all her monies to the authorities to assist in investigations. Police investigations revealed that she delivered her money to different strangers at various locations in Singapore over a one-week period. The suspects then left Singapore after committing the crime. On 14 May 2018, one of the suspects, a 31-year-old Malaysian man, was arrested in Kuala Lumpur for his suspected involvement in the scam. With the assistance of the Royal Malaysia Police, the suspect was brought back to Singapore on 15 May 2018. He will be charged in court on 16 May 2018 with dishonestly receiving stolen property. Source: Malaysian Arrested for Involvement in China Officials Impersonation Scam police.gov.sg/media-room/news/20180515_malaysian_arrested_for_involvement_in_china_officials_impersonation_scam_cad In June 2018, the Police received reports from at least six victims of China officials impersonation scam. The victims received phone calls from scammers claiming to be from the Chinese authorities, and that the victims were the subjects of a criminal probe in China. The scammers instructed them to either transfer their monies to other bank accounts or pass cash to a ‘police officer’ for investigation. Further investigations revealed that the victims lost S$208,600 in total, and the funds were all delivered to a man who was believed to have carried cash out of Singapore. Through follow-up investigations, officers from the Commercial Affairs Department established the identity of the 25-year-old Malaysian man, but he had already fled Singapore. On 12 July 2019, with the assistance of the Royal Malaysia Police, the man was arrested in Kuala Lumpur for his suspected involvement in the scams and brought back to Singapore on 13 July 2019. Source: Malaysian Arrested for Involvement in China Officials Impersonation Scam police.gov.sg/Media-Room/News/20190714_malaysian_arr_for_china_official_impersonation_scam_cad
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  17092.  @karmayeshi5042  I was talking about religion in Tibet in my previous comment, did you even read my comment? As for killing millions of Tibetans, the Tibetan population in China has steadily grown over the years, because ethnic minorities in China aren't subject to the One Child Policy (that Han Chinese are subject to) so Tibetans can have as many children as they want. Here's statistics for the population of Tibetans in China from 1953–2010. Population of Tibetans in China from 1953–2010 1953: 2,775,622 1964 : 2,501,174 1982: 3,821,950 1990: 4,593,072 2000: 5,416,021 2010: 6,282,187 Source: wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_China#Population_of_China_according_to_ethnic_group_in_censuses_1953%E2%80%932010 So the number of Tibetans in China has increased over the years, what killing millions of Tibetans are you talking about? As for the self-immolation, just because a hundred Tibetans decide to self immolate, sudden means that all 6 million Tibetans want to be free? What sort of logic is this? And the 150 self-immolators occurred from 2009 to 2017 over a period of 8 years. But look at self-immolation in India and as many as 1,451 and 1,584 self-immolations were reported there in 2000 and 2001, respectively. The practice continues, notably in India: as many as 1,451 and 1,584 self-immolations were reported there in 2000 and 2001, respectively. Source: wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-immolation And mind you, that's over a thousand self immolations in 1 year, compared to mere hundred self immolations in Tibet over a period of 8 years, so which is more urgent? These 150 Tibetan self immolations don't represent all 6 million Tibetans living in China, why should Chinese government bow down to these hundred or so self immolations then?
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  17093.  @karmayeshi5042  False data? Where's your actual data then, since all you done is dismiss my sources and insult me as brainwashed? I cite sources to support my arguments, but you give absolutely nothing to support your arguments. 6 million Tibetans on 1950? Tibetan mountainous soil is infertile, rainfall is scarce in the Himalayas, so how to sustain a population of 6 million Tibetans in 1950s? Starvation was commonplace and theft of food was punished by torture, amputation and even skinning. There's this Tibetan drum called damaru that's made from human skulls, a drumskin made of human skin and drumstick made of human bone. After Tibet returned back to China, Chinese workers began rapidly modernising Tibet, building roads, railways, streetlamps, running water, gas and electricity as well as introducing modern amenities like cars, computers, telephone cables, smartphones, the Internet, WiFi, online shopping (from Taobao) and so on. Under CCP, the first Tibetan colleges opened in Lhasa, offering degrees in both Tibetan and Mandarin Chinese languages. Hydroelectric powerstations were built by Chinese to supply Tibetan homes with electricity. Chinese workers built the Qinghai-Lhasa railway (world's highest elevation railway) through dangerous mountainous terrain and low oxygen environments, to connect the normally isolated Tibet with the rest of the world. Tibet can now import food from the mainland to feed its population, and Tibet's population has tripled from 1 million in 1950s to over 3 million people today. A thriving tourist industry has even sprung up in Tibet.
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  17143. TheGolfdaily If you think people really died at Tiananmen square, then its up to you to believe what you want. Why don't you name the exact death toll figure if that is what you believe? As for students being run over by tanks, how stupid do you think these students are? They are presumably able-bodied at their age, to be able to sidestep from a moving tank, (especially since tanks' engines can be heard from very far away) so why you presume that they will run over willingly? They obviously know that they don't stand a chance against a tank, (especially when they are unarmed) so if they stand still and expect to survive being run over, then they are courting death by doing so. Regarding Tiananmen Square location itself, according to Jay Mathews, former Beijing bureau chief for the Washington Post said "as far as can be determined from the available evidence, no one died that night in Tiananmen Square". He goes on to conclude: A few people may have been killed by random shooting on streets near the square, but all verified eyewitness accounts say that the students who remained in the square when troops arrived were allowed to leave peacefully. Hundreds of people, most of them workers and passersby, did die that night, but in a different place and under different circumstances. Since you want to compare Mongols with Chinese, and Britain with India, Pakistan, Afghanistan etc, then let me ask you this question. Did the Indians, Pakistanis, Afghan people, etc, suddenly became British? Since you claim that Chinese became Mongols? Who can define what is meant by nobility? Western society was built upon the backs of African slavery, genocide of Native Americans and Australian Aboriginals, occupation of their lands, and brutal colonization of India, Pakistan, Afghanistan, etc. and plundering of resources like gold from Asia and Africa. Westerners may be rich, but it is not obtained by noble means. Who's blood, sacrifice and sweat is being used to build Western society here? China does not consider itself the only nation on the planet, but why don't you test some Westerners like Americans on how much they know about world geography? Why don't you ask whether Americans whether they consider themselves the center of the world or not? Yet you accuse Chinese people of acting like a spolit 7-year old brat? Would China be where it is today, if everyone acted like a spoilt brat, instead of working to lift China out of poverty? Also, what about your claim that Lee Kuan Yew didn't oppress the freedom of individuals in his country? Besides Amos Yee, there is another Singapore dissident, Francis Seow who was a Singaporean-born American writer, political dissident who lived in exile from Singapore after facing lawsuits from Lee Kuan Yew, Singapore's first Prime Minister.
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  17144. +TheGolfdaily You didn't mention anything about Western industrialization, only "early adoption of Western advances in modern thinking" Also, 250 years ago, Japan was still in the middle of the Tokugawa shogunate rule (Edo period) and Japan only opened up to the West around the Meiji Restoration period, and it was still under Imperial dictatorship under Emperor Meiji, If the West truly cared, then why did they give Shandong Province to Japan (which had been captured by Germans after WW1) instead of returning it to China? The West pressured Japan out of Geneva Convention, but that only meant Japan was "free" to commit horrible atrocities outside of the convention, such as the Rape of Nanjing, Unit 731 experiments and forcing "comfort" women to service Japanese soldiers. Even today, South Korean "comfort" women are protesting outside Japanese embassy. As far as I know, USA only cut off oil to Japan around 1941, prior to that, Japan had already invaded Manchuria since 1931 and occupied it for 10 years prior to USA imposing its oil embargo. USA was the world's largest supplier of oil (even Japan wanted it) at that time, yet you claim they couldn't send aid? Hitler and Nazi Germany invaded Poland at the start of WW2 in 1939, which was 8 years later than the Japanese invasion of Manchuria. Trouble was brewing in Germany yes, but in Asia, China and Japan were already at war. In truth, every country cares for itself, and USA is no exception, and likewise, China is no exception here. Nobody cares for China, except Chinese. Nobody can defend China from invaders, except Chinese. Nobody wants to see China succeed, except for Chinese. People like you claim to have China's interest in mind, but it is apparent that you don't and you truly do not want to see a powerful China. For example, China appears to be following good examples of dictatorship, like Lee Kuan Yew of Singapore. Like I mentioned earlier, Singapore’s political environment is stifling and citizens continue to face severe restrictions on their basic rights to freedom of expression, etc, etc. so why are you accusing China of following a wrong example of dictatorship? Tibet was part of China since 800 years ago, when Mongolians conquered it and incorporate it as part of Yuan dynasty China. Tibet was part of China right up to 1912 and was incorporated back in 1951, so why should China free it?
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  17145. TheGolfdaily Similarly, I also wish well for China, and for China to follow our own unique path, instead of just blindly copying Western democracy, just for the sake of it. Nobody says every country has to follow Western democracy to be successful, and China is living proof of that. China survived 5000 years of history without adopting democracy, so why is there a sudden need to adopt it? As for human rights in China, Chinese people have access to food, housing, education, basic healthcare, modern amenities like smartphone, computers, WiFi, Internet, etc. and can travel overseas to visit other countries (Every country knows of Chinese tourists in their lands) so exactly how bad is Chinese human rights, if people are appear to be happy with the current level? China maybe under a dictatorship, but the communist party has shown remarkable level of pragmatism and flexibility. For example, in 1970s, Deng Xiaoping introduced capitalist economic reforms, because the communist market system just wasn't working out under Mao Zedong. For decades, China also had One-Child Policy, meaning Chinese families restricted to having only 1 child per couple, but in 2016, China now has a Two-Child Policy. The government has even shown that it is willing to make amends to the party's constitution, showing its flexibility in adapting to changes. On the other hand, countries like United States appear to be suffering from "political stagnation". The loose gun laws in USA have long been controversial topic, but apparently, US citizens are unwilling to surrender their right to bear firearms, despite periodic instances of mass shootings by gunmen, including the most recent one in Florida. This is just my personal opinion that's all, and its up to Americans what they wish to do in their country.
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  17146. TheGolfdaily China was once democratic, when Dr.Sun Yatsen overthrew the Manchu government in 1912 and established the Republic of China. How was that 250 years ago? Did Japan invade China 250 years ago? Japan did invade Korea (when it was tributary state of China) in late 1500s by Toyotomi Hideyoshi, but they withdrew from China in the end. When Sun established ROC under the Kuomintang (Nationalists), China was divided into various provinces and each ruled by individual warlords (even Tibet broke free of Chinese rule). As for Japan, it first began modernising during Meiji Restoration, under Emperor Meiji, which was how such small nation became powerful, despite being a dictatorship at that time. During WW1 and WW2, Imperial Japan was dictatorship, under Emperor Hirohito, whereas ROC was democratic under KMT, but divided into many states. This was how Japan was able to invade China, because China was democratic, but divided, whereas Imperial Japan was dictatorship but united, and no longer under the old shogunate system. Why you claim I don't read history books? How does claim Japan invaded China with 5000 years of history, help support your point about emperor and democracy here? The West did not care about multiple Japanese invasions of China. During WW1, Dr. Sun requested help from the West, but Westerners laughed at the notion of China adopting democracy. The Allies even gave away the province of Shandong (which been captured by Germans) to Japan, instead of back to China, even when China was part of the Allies. Dr. Sun died without seeing a unified China. China also been fighting Japanese since 1931, which was 8 years before Hitler invaded Poland at start of WW2. The West was content to let Japan claim more and more Chinese territories and lies, until Japan bombed Pearl Harbor, finally spurring USA into the war. USA only fought Japan for 3 years (1942-1945) with China's help too, whereas China been fighting Japan for 11 years (since 1931) without US/Western help. The West has never been China's friend, and USA only fought because Pearl Harbor was bombed. Why are you acting like USA has been acting in China's interests during WW2?
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  17147. TheGolfdaily Modern China was built by sweat, blood, toil and sacrifice of Chinese people to turn it from 3rd world country to 1st world, so why do you claim China is oppressing the population? Lee Kuan Yew was also harsh against his critics, and Singaporeans can be jailed for criticizing him. Look at Singaporean critic Amos Yee, who is being sentenced to jail for speaking out against Lee Kuan Yew. During his time, Lee Kuan Yew did not tolerate dissidents and banished them from Singapore, and even after his death, there appears little chance of dissidents being allowed to return to Singapore. Source:No sign of welcome home for Singapore's dissidents cnbc.com/2015/03/27/after-lee-no-sign-of-welcome-home-for-singapores-dissidents.html So what makes you think Lee Kuan Yew didn't oppress the freedom of individuals? Didn't he control the media and use force to get his way too? But look at how much Singapore prospered from the little fishing village that it once was? If you look at 1989 Tiananmen Square protests, the protestors idealistic students who were anti-Deng (Deng Xiaoping was the one who introduced capitalist reforms to replace China's communist market) and what would have happened if Deng stepped down? Would China be as prosperous as it is today? Why don't you take a good hard look at the issue, instead of blindly following Western propaganda? The Mongols once ruled China 800 years ago, but it was Kublai Khan, grandson of Genghis Khan, that decide to abandon his Mongolian culture and proclaim himself emperor of Yuan dynasty China. The Mongols knew next to nothing about governing a country as big as China. They were nomadic horsemen, so who grows the food necessary to feed the empire? They live in temporary houses called Yurt, so who is going to plan the towns and routes? They know nothing of bureaucracy, so who keeps the empire running smoothly? Han Chinese farmers, workers, scholars, accountants, and bureaucrats were the ones running the empire, not the Mongols. Exactly who is behaving like a spoilt kid here? Who is discussing real historical events in a calm and sensible manner, using logic and examples to back up points, and who is making broad, sweeping statements without showing any understanding of the issue at hand? I don't mock or insult you for your views, so why are you resorting to attacking me personally instead of my points?
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  17148. +TheGolfdaily I merely answered your question of "How many different opposing Political parties are there in China" that's all. If you complain that mainland China is "single party" then ROC (Taiwan) has been for almost its entire life by authoritarian, single-party government, (KMT). Only in 2016, did another political party (DPP) took over KMT. Taiwan had been under martial law for more than 38 years, which was qualified as "the longest imposition of martial law by a regime anywhere in the world" at that time, but Taiwan progressed immensely during this period of authoritarian KMT rule. Similarly, South Korea had the dictator, Park Chung Hee, who help bring modernize South Korea from who served as the President of South Korea from 1963 to 1979. Park has been ranked by the public as the greatest South Korean president but he still remains a controversial figure for his dictatorship. But would South Korea have prospered if not for Park? In the same way, Singapore been ruled its entire life by authoritarian, single-party government (PAP) for over 50 years. According to Human Rights Watch ( hrw.org/asia/singapore ) "Singapore’s political environment is stifling. Citizens continue to face severe restrictions on their basic rights to freedom of expression, association, and peaceful assembly through overly broad legal provisions on security, public order, morality, and racial and religious harmony. The government silences and punishes critics by using defamation laws and the archaic offense of “scandalizing the judiciary.” The media are regularly censored, particularly for discussions of domestic politics" Singapore's political environment sounds similar to China right? But both Singapore (under PAP), ROC (under KMT) and PRC (under CPC) progressed rapidly under this authoritarian single-party system, so if the system works for China, then why is there a sudden need to adopt democracy? Because people like you say so?
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  17153. TheGolfdaily So how many people died at Tiananmen Square itself then? You video does not show how many people died at Tiananmen Square, unlike you keep saying. It just shows bloody pictures which could easily be anywhere in the world, instead of Tiananmen. Also, you said previously that Lee Kuan Yew didn't oppress the freedom of individuals in his country? Then what about LKY dissidents like, Francis Seow who been banished from the country? So far, this exchange is just nothing but you constantly thinking imposing your thinking onto China and Chinese people that's all, calling us spoilt 7-year old brats. After the 1989 protests, there have been no other major democracy movement in China, so what makes you think it will be our future? The Soviet Union collapsed in 1991, and many people though China will follow suit, but China is still going strong even today. thanks to strong central government. Like I said previously, countries like PRC, Singapore, ROC, etc all progressed rapidly under authoritarian single party goverments, of CPC (PRC), PAP (Singapore) and KMT (ROC) so aren't they examples of alternative forms of governments that have met with success? China should follow our own path to success and adopt a government system best suited to our country, instead of blindly following the West, just because of the preconceived notion that Western form of government is the best. Why don't you wake up to reality today, instead of listening to Western propaganda? Western anti-communist propaganda will stop at nothing to portray communism in negative light consistently.
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  17154. TheGolfdaily At the beginning, all I did was answer your question of "Just tell me, How many different opposing Political parties are there in China???" You did thanked me (your welcome) and later claim that you are not trying to dictate China and you are spending your time having exchange with people because you wish well for China and not the opposite. But it is clear that this exchange hasn't been about you wishing well for China, only to impose your view onto Chinese people, and claiming we behave like a spoilt 7 year old kid ("Grow the hell Up!," you said previously) So how exactly are you even respecting other people's viewpoints here? I don't resort to insulting you, simply because your views differ from mine, I even ask you reasonable questions, like "Why you think Lee Kwan Yew didn't oppress the freedom of individuals in his country?" but all you done is ignore them, and continued to hate on China ("Free Tibet!" you said). Today Tibet is recognized as an autonomous region of China, by United Nations countries like USA, Russia, France, India, UK, Germany, etc, since nobody brings up the issue of Tibetan sovereignty with Beijing during all those UN summits/meetings. When you draw the map of PRC, Tibet is clearly included as part of China. Why don't you read up on the previously discussed issues and form your own opinion, rather than just blindly follow Western propaganda? Why not look at issues from multiple angles, instead of labeling other people as spoilt 7-year olds? 鸟儿唱歌不是因为他们有了答案,而是因为它们有歌要唱。 A bird does not sing because it has an answer. It sings because it has a song.
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  17209. @HKZ P "@神州 Shenzhou None of this changes the fact that Taiwan, Tibet, Eastern Turkmenistan and Hong Kong don't want the CCP running their country." Didn't the people of Taiwan voted against the pro-independence DPP in the latest Taiwan midterm elections? The DPP suffered major defeat at the polls, losing 2 important posts to the KMT opposition, and even the pro-independence Taiwan President Tsai herself resigned, after this humiliating defeat. So doesn't this imply that majority of Taiwan people don't want independence? Given that they voted against Tsai. As for Tibet, the lives of many Tibetans have steadily improved under CCP rule. Back when Tibet was under Dalai Lama rule, Tibet was a brutal theocracy, where 95% of the population were slaves, and the remaining 5% were slave owners. Tibetan mountainous soil was infertile, receiving little rainfall, so the slaves had to work hard to feed the population. Starvation and crime was commonplace, stealing was punished by amputation of limbs and even skinning. There's even this Tibetan drum called damaru that is made from human skulls, with drumskin made of human skin and drumstick made of human bone. But since 1951, under CCP rule, Tibet has modernized when Chinese workers built infrastructure like roads, railways, streetlamps, running water, gas and electricity. Tibetans were introduced to modern technology like cars, smartphones, computers, the Internet, WiFi, online shopping (from TaoBao) and so on. The first Tibetan universities opened in Lhasa after 1951 and Chinese workers built hydroelectric powerstations to harness green energy to power Tibetan cities. Chinese workers built the Qinghai-Lhasa railway (world's highest elevation railway) through difficult terrain and low oxygen environment, to connect the normally isolated Tibet to the rest of the world. Tibetans can now import food from the mainland to feed its population, and Tibetan tourist industry has even sprung up. Sources: List of universities and colleges in Tibet wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_universities_and_colleges_in_Tibet List of major power stations in the Tibet Autonomous Region wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_major_power_stations_in_the_Tibet_Autonomous_Region Therefore, I would say most Tibetans are happy to be under CCP rule. From what I described above.
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  17213. @HKZ P Ah finally, you are starting to include logic in your views, instead of just blindly parroting the biased Western media. Isn't it better and more enjoyable to discuss in detail, rather that post personal insults against me (such as labeling me a brainwashed CCP troll) and other one-liners? I don't resort to insulting you personally, just because your views happen to differ from mine. Regarding the Three Gorges Dam, yes, initially there were much opposition by environmentalist, ecologists, and archaeologists (because of archaeological dig sites) near Three Gorges Dam. But the advantage of an authoritarian system, is that the government can just 'bulldoze' the opposition and push ahead with construction of the dam, so that we can reap the benefits of renewable energy earlier. If China were democratic, the Three Gorges Dam project would be mired in protests, lobbying, and numerous other delays. I mean, every actions has its pros and cons, but if China hadn't constructed that dam, we would be burning the equivalent of 25 million tons of crude oil or 50 million tons of coal! Therefore, I personally think the Three Gorges Dam was worth it. You are always welcome to differ. Agreed, the government impose environmental rules on CO2 emissions, but bribery and corruption often allows many factories to skirt those rules. This needs to be addressed through anti-corruption crackdowns by the Chinese government but there are many, many factories in China (China is manufacturing hub of the world after all) And many other countries sign the 2017 Paris Climate Accord, not just PRC. I personally think its childish that USA wouldn't want to remain in accords, just because another country is not adhering to the rules. Solar panels may be expensive to produce, but trees don't generate electricity to power our cities like solar panels. Besides, solar panels can also be placed in regions where trees are unable to grow (such as on a lake) In fact, China is home to the world's largest floating solar farm, in Huainan City in Anhui, Eastern China and the 40-megawatt power plant is the world's largest in terms of its capacity. World's largest floating solar farm in East China youtube.com/watch?v=qKpYH5SYUeo Water can helps cool down the panels and thus improve its efficiency and the middle of the lake is one place where you are very unlikely to find trees growing there.
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  17215. @HKZ P "@神州 Shenzhou Free Tibet, free Eastern Turkmenistan and free Hong Kong. They don't want you there so leave." Can you actually prove that they don't want CCP there? There are some protests in those territories, but majority of the people in Tibet, Xinjiang and Hong Kong all accept CCP rule. Take the Hong Kong 2014 protests (Umbrella protest) for example. During the protests there were tens of thousands of HK people protesting. about 20-40K protests in Occupy Central movement. But that is small figure compared to the entire population of 7 million Hong Kong people, so how can you claim that HK don't want CCP there? And if you look at those HK protestors, majority of them were naive university students, who've been cloistered in a world of education, raised on textbook ideals and perfect ideologies. They've not yet even stepped out into the real working world as adults, find a job, get married, settle down and raise a family, yet they already think they know how to govern the country already? Look at the leader of the HK protestors and how young is he? Look at the rest of Hong Kong, and most of them went about their own daily lives, some of them even grumbling at the obstruction by the idealistic student protestors. Those are the real HK people, with jobs to do, mouths to feed, kids to raise and so on isn't it? So why are you basing what HK people think from the minority (the 20,000-40,000 protestors), instead of the majority (7,400,000 other HK people) As for the bulldozing over other people's opinion, China is an authoritarian country not a democracy, and I have given numerous logical reasons for bulldozing over the environmentalists, ecologists, archaeologists, etc, so how am I mentally unfit to comment on the PRC? If not for the Three Gorges Dam, we won't be enjoying clean renewable energy like we are today, instead, we might be burning huge amounts of fossil fuels or the project might still be "stuck" because of protests and lobbying to protect those lands. On the other hand, what logic have you provided thus far? Have you anything to say about China's floating solar farm? All you seem to do is insult me and mock me for my views, without offering any of your own views at all.
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  17220. @HKZ P How are you right and I am wrong? I have shown numerous evidence and cited many sources, whereas all you done is make demands and shut your eyes and ears to anything good that China does. And Beijing is not under any obligation to anyone, to conduct a referendum in HK, so why should a referendum be conducted? An unconducted referendum can go either way, so it does not constitute proof that HK people don't want the CCP isn't it? And what about your arguments about solar panels? China's floating solar farm does not deprive trees of places to grow isn't it? And I have already listed the benefits of the construction of Three Gorges Dam as a clean renewable source of energy that the government push ahead with, despite protests from environmentalists, ecologist and archaeologists. Otherwise, we would not be reaping the benefits of Three Gorges Dam today. I think I know what you are up to, you are jealous that China is doing so well under authoritarianism, and you want to break up China. That's why you keep talking about Tibet, Xinjiang, Hong Kong, etc, because you want People's Republic of China to fragment into different provinces (just like when Britain voted to leave the EU). A country is strong if it is unified, not when it is divided and fighting amongst ourselves. Look at United States and it is a union of 50 states, that's why its so strong. Look at former Soviet Union and it was strong until it broke up. So why do you want PRC to fragment into smaller states? Because you are jealous? I mean, you've been constantly insulting me and mocking me, demanding answers out of me, meanwhile you close your eyes to anything I say about China so who is the brainwashed one here? China has grown from dirt-poor, war-torn, starving country, into an economic juggernaut, the factory of the world and a potential rival to the USA. All achieved under the CCP rule, so why can't Chinese people continue to support the CCP if it is able to maintain economic growth?
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  17221. @HKZ P "@神州 Shenzhou You are just giving Western people an EXTREMELY negative view of Mainlanders" Western society was built upon the backs of African slavery, genocide of Native Americans and Australian Aboriginals, occupation of their lands even till today and plundering of resources like gold from Africa and Asia (India, Hong Kong, Singapore) etc. That's why Westerners are so rich today, because they're sitting on a pile of wealth obtained from Africa, America, Australia and Asia. Yet you still want to talk about freeing Tibet, Xinjiang and Hong Kong? Tibet was part of China for longer time than the entire colonial history of America, so why don't you tell those non-Native Americans to get out of America and leave the lands to the Native Americans then? And Xinjiang was part of China before Islam ever arrived at the region, and Hong Kong was part of China until the British stole it from China. During 19th century, the British wanted to continue drinking Chinese tea, but China did not want what Westerners had to offer, so the British waged two bloody wars with China and force China at gunpoint to open our markets to opium, which we didn't want because it made us sick and was like poison to our people. Port cities like Shanghai were forced open to act as drug distribution hubs to spread the addictions throughout rest of China, and Hong Kong was taken and made into British colony. Even when Britain renounced control over its former colonies, HK was not fully returned to China during the handover!
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  17228.  @TheRealCheckmate  Putin has been patiently tolerating NATO's expansion (into 14 countries already) for so many years already, and Putin had issued a paper explaining that he wanted assurance that Ukraine would not be allowed to join NATO. Yet why didn't NATO issued a paper or statement guaranteeing Ukraine would not join NATO, in order to assure Putin? In a televised address, Putin had stated that Russia had no plans to occupy Ukraine, so where all this talk about reforming the USSR come from? Putin's stated goal is the demilitarisation and de-nazification of Ukraine. Also the USA treat China and Russia as enemies then why expect Russia or China to cooperate with the US given their attitude? China is currently at peace and not at war with any country, since our last major conflict in 1979. Instead of making war, China is building infrastructure like roads, railways, highways, bridges, tunnels, powerstations, dams, ports, airports, etc and investing in developing countries like Sri Lanka, Nepal, Bangladesh, Pakistan, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Tajikistan, and also African countries like Nigeria, Kenya, Chad, Sudan, Ghana, Mozambique, Tanzania, etc. Whereas the United States is warmonger being involved in Gulf War, Iraq War, Afghan War, Libyan War, Syrian War, Yemen War, etc, even in the 21st century. USA is bombing in those Middle Eastern countries and enacting regime change by cutting off their "heads" (Saddam Hussein, Muammar Gaddafi, etc) and then installing their own US puppet governments in place. If anything, it looks like the US is the real threat to global peace and stability here.
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  17248. Steven James DeBlasi Firstly when ever did I even said that "women in China are treated better"? You are the one putting words in my mouth when I clearly did not say such words at all. Seriously, when in my comments did I even mention "women" and "China" in same comment at all, before you started blatantly accusing me of saying so? Also now, when did I personally state that the China or the Communist Party of China are better than the USA here? Just by pointing out single specific flaws or problems? Whenever did I said all those lies you claimed I said?? You are deliberately trying put words in my mouth when I haven't even mentioned anything about the Communist Party of China being better than USA. You are the one claiming here that China's overall system is system/society better than USA or at least no worse, just because of one or two specific aspects alone, not me. Who here judges the whole system based on two aspects? Why are you explicitly claiming things that I have never even said at all? I never did said that these two points alone make China better than USA. You did. Now you claim that Chinese education system lacks critical thinking, when you are the one blatantly making up untrue assumptions about me, not based on any actual things I said? You obviously already harbor unreasonable biased opinion towards me, simply because you are imposing your own biased view onto me and then suddenly label me 50c here. You mean anyone who talks about American flaws is automatically considered 50c? It is clear that you already have your own self-imposed negative impression of me based off imaginary statements made up in your mind about me. The only reason you refuse to quote me what I said was because I clearly said no such things in the first place.
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  17249. +Steven James DeBlasi I wrote that, because you were claiming Chinese government was imprisoning and jailing our own people. What is wrong with jailing our own people if they have committed crimes under Chinese laws? I only pointed out that USA has world's largest prison population as a fact, that even China does not match it, but how on Earth does it say that China is better than USA here? You are the one reading too much into my statements. As for rape in US army, it is also fact taken from an article, and I did not say anything about "women in China are treated better" so how is this grounds for blatantly accusing me of saying women in China are treated better? When did I even talk about women in China at all here before you started accusing me? All I did here was point out prevalence of rape in the US army, that's all. Now you suddenly claiming only three possibilities exist when comparing USA and China's political systems? Why do people like you only believe in absolutes, such as black and white? There is no government in the world that is absolutely "equal" to another government. Between China and USA, there are different aspects that are better or worse than each other, so why are you deliberately trying to shoehorn such a complex political entity as "government" into only three absolute possibilities with another government? There are infinite number of possibilities and scenarios where each government will fare better than the other, so why do you limit it to better, worst or equal? I think you are the one clearly lacking in critical thinking skills, if all you do is try to compare which government is better, worst or equal and only consider these possibilities. You think governments are fixed, static entities that somehow remain the same forever and don't change at all with time? How can you just conveniently stereotype governments into better, worst or equal, based on one or two aspects that's all?
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  17250. +Steven James DeBlasi Every country has its own laws regarding what's acceptable and what's not. What about Saudi Arabian government continuing to arbitrarily arrest, try, and convict peaceful dissidents? Dozens of human rights defenders and activists are serving long prison sentences for criticizing authorities or advocating political and rights reforms. Under Saudi Arabian Islamic Law, women aren't even allowed to drive. Yet nary a word is even mentioned about this, because USA is steadfast ally with Saudi Arabia because it is rich in oil. Human Rights Watch: Saudi Arabia hrw.org/middle-east/n-africa/saudi-arabia You really think this does not happen in "democratic" countries. What about democratic Singapore? According to Human Rights Watch: Singapore "Singapore’s political environment is stifling. Citizens continue to face severe restrictions on their basic rights to freedom of expression, association, and peaceful assembly. The government silences and punishes critics by using defamation laws. The media are regularly censored, particularly for discussions of domestic politics or positive depictions of LGBT people" Human Rights Watch: Singapore hrw.org/asia/singapore And yet Singapore still regarded as one of the most successful democracies worldwide. Doesn't its system sound suspiciously like China's, because Chinese government modeled our system over Singapore's? Once again you have shown to be believing only in Black and White that's all, when the whole world are actually shades of gray. Even you logic is A, B, C, which are all "absolutes" once again. You really think the whole world is consists of absolutes like A is always A, and B always come after A? Haven't you ever heard of "fuzzy" logic, that more closely mimics the real world, than your fixed absolute logic? I really don't understand how you are even demonstrating any "critical" thinking whatsoever here. Lastly, what makes you say the communist party of China is empirically bad? It does more harm than good to our people? The Chinese government is the same government that lifted 600 million people out of poverty, according to World Bank, as the one who ruled China during Mao's Red Communism period. You claim US government is not perfect, then why can't you see that China's government is not perfect as well? Just for comparison, the entire population of Africa is 1.2 billion people. So the communist government lifted a number of people roughly equivalent to 50% of the entire population of Africa out of poverty, in decades, as compared to what Western powers been doing to Africa for centuries. Such a phenomena has been termed "unprecedented" in human history, even by Western scholars, and it is said that such an event is unlikely to ever be repeated elsewhere on Earth. So how can you simply just claim that Chinese government has done more harm than good for Chinese people? How do you even measure such terms such as "harm" and "good" anyway?
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  17251. +Steven James DeBlasi I am not German person, but it while it can be said that there are people who would defend Nazi Party, just as there are also people who would defend it. There is no "right" or "wrong" in this world. The Nazi party was formed because of German people's resentment over the Treaty of Versailles, as well as the inflation and state of Germany after WW1. Adolf Hitler rose to power because he preyed on German's people's anger over the treaty, which led to him being elected to eventually become Chancellor of Germany. Under Nazi's leadership, Germany grew powerful and heavily industrialized, and its effects can still be felt today in the form of excellent German engineering in automobiles, such as Volkswagen, and the V-2 rocket, which although was a weapon, still formed the basis of NASA rocket systems that enabled America to land on the Moon. Of course everyone knows of the atrocities of WW2, but there is still no denying that Nazi Party also contributed to progress and development of Germany. But does that mean I support Nazism here? Of course not. But I am not denying that Nazis did contribute to Germany's successful development as nation. Only people who believe in Black and White like you, will want to label things as better, worse or equal. China's poverty numbers were derived from the World Bank, so are you claiming that the World Bank is inaccurate? According to World Bank, China’s poverty rate fell from 88% in 1981 to mere 6.5% in 2012. China also has world's largest population, so reducing poverty from 88% to 6.5% is astonishing feat in itself. Besides poverty reduction, UNESCO has also measured Chinese literacy rate, and the adult literacy rate of China increased from 65.5% in 1982 to 96.4% in 2015 growing at an average annual rate of 10.39%. So how exactly again do you measure "harm" here?
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  17252. +Steven James DeBlasi Because I, unlike you, do not believe in absolutes such as good or evil. Who is the one that keep on shoehorning such antiquated concepts into a discussion about politics? There always two sides to history, so who are you to label terms such as "harmful" onto a government, simply because of your own personal beliefs? If the Nazis had won WW2, the world would have been much different place altogether and they would of course portray all the bad things Allies had done isn't it? So why can't people look at history from an objective point instead? You keep on claiming that I am propagandist or part of 50c party, but do you even read your source carefully? According to your source, the 50c party operate in Chinese social media and internet forums, like Weibo, etc. It does not mention anything at all about them venturing into Western websites like Youtube. So why are you assuming that I am 50c or propagandist of the communist party? You mean anyone who expresses support for the Chinese government must be from 50c party? You are the one clearly lacking in "critical" thinking skills, if you fail to see that 50c reside within Chinese social media and internet forums, NOT in Western media. Chinese government has corruption, but at least there are corruption crackdowns campaigns undertaken by the party to root out corruption. On the other hand, US government also has corruption, but what steps have ever been taken to address the issue? President Trump promised during his presidential campaign to release his tax details upon become president of United States, but so far, he has not kept his promise. What about Hilary Clinton, who is being investigated for corruption by CIA, but so far, not much news and progress is made about her previous activities? Corruption is universal phenomena, but at least the Chinese government is actively willing to tackle this huge monster of a problem.
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  17309. +Mirozen You've no "complaints" about his English proficiency, then why did you said earlier that "He needs to master the sentence structure used by a native speaker of English." Even I myself don't claim to have mastered the sentence structure used by a native speaker of English, since English is not even my 1st language! But you said earlier that "his sentence structure shows that his native language is almost certainly Chinese" then perhaps could you enlighten me on how his sentence structure indicates his native language to be Chinese. In that comment you highlighted (I'm White, U r just one of the many self hating immigrants.....) he doesn't actually show anything that is specifically indicative of Chinese sentence structure. About Dave Satun's rudeness, initially he wasn't rude and didn't become rude until other users started hurling vulgarities at him and accusing him of being a wumao. If you pick on his posts being rude, aggressive, defensive, offensive, ignorant, etc, then what about the others who first started accusing him of being a wumao? His comment that "Google and FB are US military tools" is not what I would consider ignorant, since media is the backbone of any political propaganda campaign. He claims to be Caucasian, but it doesn't automatically mean English is his native language, as he could be French, German, Irish or from all manner of countries that Caucasians usually hail from. It certainly doesn't mean that someone has to be proficient in English to be Caucasian!
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  17310. +Mirozen First you said "He needs to master the sentence structure used by a native speaker of English" (now with an addition:) "if he expects people not to assume he's Wu Mao". Then later you mentioned that my English happens to be "Better than many native English speakers". This shows that even among native English speakers, there exists varying degrees of English proficiency so who can truly determine where the baseline for the English standard is, for a native speaker of English? YouTube is an informal Internet forum, and users may themselves have good English, but still choose to contract their sentences in their posts. Therefore you can't truly assume whether someone is good or bad in English online, until they demonstrate their true capabilities. Heck, scratch that, it may not even be the same user typing out the same posts each time. You mentioned that Dave Satun "drops" certain keywords in certain comments, then perhaps you could enlighten me to which words were supposedly dropped from his sentences? Also, dropping certain English words from sentence is not just restricted to Chinese, and even Spanish speakers sometimes do away with some words, and the English they speak becomes a sort of "broken" English (sometimes known as Pidgin English) But the term is not restricted to Chinese speakers attempting to speak English alone. About Dave Satun posting rude comments like "you are just one of the many self hating immigrants (white wannabes) living in Shitamerica", as far as I know, there is nothing truly pro-Chinese in that statement alone, so why are claiming it as such? And you seem to refuse to consider the abusive comments directed against him, such as 岷褪黨素菜1 posting "@Dave Satun you're retarded" or "@Dave Satun Fucking Wumao, good job 👏👏👏". Why is it that you single out Dave Satun's comments, but not the ones who are attacking him personally? I've read the entire comment thread a few times, and Dave Satun did not start using rude terms, until others started attacking him with vulgarities first. It just gives off the impression that you are somehow prejudiced against him that's all. About his point of people starving on the streets of L. A, I did a quick search, and about 44,000 people in L. A are homeless. I personally don't think that he is being ignorant in mentioning the situation in L. A, and you can't possibly think that all 44,000 people are homeless because of mental illness! ON THE STREETS -- a feature documentary on homelessness in L.A. Video: youtube.com/watch?v=WUsJcPc8g0A About him being a Caucasian but not a native speaker of English, so far, you have yet to produce evidence yourself, that his sentence structure in English mimics that of the Chinese sentence structure. All you seem to do is repeat the same point that his sentence structure follows that of the Chinese language, without ever explaining why or going in to detail. His comments are mostly about America and Taiwan (and I do agree with him that Taiwan is merely catering to US's interests, not for Chinese interests) so why do you claim that his comments on YouTube that give people a negative attitude towards China and the Chinese people?
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  17311. +Mirozen I'll try to shorten my posts. If you believe that "Even native speakers of English have variances in structure and vocabulary that are indicative of where they are from." then you can't possibly claim "He needs to master the sentence structure used by a native speaker of English". Since native speakers of English exhibit variances in structure, then there's no way to master something that exhibit such variances. Re:Paragraph (4) I did not say that you claimed EVERY post made by Satun was "pro-Chinese" all I said was "there is nothing truly pro-Chinese in THAT STATEMENT alone,". Because there really is nothing in that statement that is pro-Chinese, only anti-American that's all, so why did you claim he is posting pro-Chinese content? He's talking about immigrants in America, and somehow that is considered pro-Chinese by you? Actually, the better point is not him being insulted by being labelled a wumao its the fact that 岷褪黨素菜1 used clearly offensive terms like "You're retarded" and "Fucking" in his posts addressed to Dave Satun. Yet you seem blind to those blatantly offensive terms and instead you choose to focus on the term wumao instead? Why do you appear to selectively ignore other commenters' rudeness (岷褪黨素菜1 for example) and single out Dave Satun? Re:Paragraph (5) Homeless is one problem in LA but that does not mean starvation in LA does not exist. Here another source showcasing hunger in LA and according to Feeding America, more than 1 million children and teens in Los Angeles are eligible for subsidized meals and may be at risk of hunger, especially during the summer months. Of those, 650,000, more than half, are considered “food insecure.” Ending Childhood Hunger, Starting with Los Angeles http://sodexoinsights.com/ending-childhood-hunger-starting-with-los-angeles/ Starving to death in America is the same as starving to death in 3rd world countries. Starvation is starvation, death is death, and people die of starvation in 1st world and 3rd world countries. I personally wouldn't consider such remarks to be "ignorant", and its those who continue to look the other way of such plights in 1st world countries, that are truly ignorant. About claiming his sentence structure mimics/follows or is similar to Chinese sentence structure, I ask you HOW? How do you know that his sentence structure is similar to Chinese? Which examples show that his structure is similar to Chinese sentence structures? What are those missing "keywords" he dropped? You have consistently failed to prove how his sentence structure follows that of Chinese language and you refuse to name even a single example where his sentence structure follows Chinese instead of English. Dave Satun had said "Taiwan is a cheap brothel 4 americans" and "the real micro SHITaiwan backed by the US military" but how exactly do these comments give a negative impression of China? He didn't even mention China at all in those statements! Yet you claim his posts gives off the opposite of a positive impression of China? Where is the link to "China" in his words, when he himself did not even mention China at all? The thing is, why can't he post comments against a video that was describing the type of comments he was making? Why can't he limit his response to short remarks, inside of typing out long paragraphs like the both of us? It's possible his command of English isn't that good, and that's one possible reason why his responses are limited.
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  17312. +Mirozen 1st Paragraph: How do you know that his sentence structure appears to be from a person who speaks Chinese as their native language? What are those "keywords" you claims he dropped? You completely fail to elaborate exactly where does his sentence structure follows Chinese, you just keep on repeating that it is, without providing solid proof. Do you even know Chinese, and Chinese sentence structure at all? Or are you shooting off your mouth without proof? 2nd Paragraph: Again, you fail to elaborate how exactly is Dave Satun's comments pro-Chinese. He didn't even mention China at all, only Taiwan and America, and somehow you draw some insane conclusion that his comments are pro-Chinese? He didn't even mention "China" for heaven's sake, just talked about America and Taiwan, so where on Earth do you draw your senseless conclusions from? 3rd Paragraph: You have consistently failed to prove that his sentence structure is from a person who speaks Chinese as his native language, so what good does standing by your own stand do? You clearly ignored blatantly offensive words like "You're Retarded" and "Fucking" that were made by 岷褪黨素菜1 and instead picked on Dave Satun for his retaliation against 岷褪黨素菜1. He even clearly says he's white, but I'm sure your just going to ignore that as well. Dave Satun didn't use vulgarities initially, and only when others hurled such profanities against him that he began retaliating. And you posted the same set of points you made in the previous comment. Why repost it? I've already made my response to those points, so what does reposting them do any good? 4th Paragraph: You just say my additional information supports exactly what I've been saying? How? America has people starving, and 3rd world countries has people starving too, so how is that different? Previously, you have been adamantly claiming that being "homeless" and "starving" are different, and now you are suddenly accepting that America has people starving, once I shown my information? Starvation is starvation and death is death. Go tell those starving Americans that they are different from 3rd world people starving to death, and see if they label you as ignorant. 6th Paragraph: If I listen to someone who has learned Chinese Mandarin as a 2nd language, yes I can usually tell that Chinese Mandarin is not their native language. However, I won't be able to accurately tell whether his/her 1st language is English, French, German, Spanish, Russian, etc. Unless I know the other language as well, I won't proclaim that the speaker is a native speaker English or French or German, etc. Even in your examples, you fail to illustrate exactly how exactly you know Dave Satun's sentence structure follows that of Chinese sentence structure. 7th Paragraph: About Dave Satun being petty and insecure, I could say the same thing about 岷褪黨素菜1 for his/her use of vulgarities against Dave Satun (who was merely expressing his own views bluntly, without vulgarities) But its like this 岷褪黨素菜1 is somehow completely invisible to you, and you have completely ignored his/her provocative comments to Dave Satun, and just focused on picking on the latter. 岷褪黨素菜1 doesn't even address Dave Satun's comments before launching a profanity barrage against him. 8th Paragraph: 1) Its his own choice to post his comments after watching such a video. But where do these people who accuse him of being a wumao, get their impression of him from? They just watch some video posted by some guy and assume he's a wumao with zero proof of their own? 2) It could be he types short sentences because he's using his phone or some other device smaller than a PC. If you claim he does so to make money, then why isn't he responding to you? 3) Oh now you suddenly claim he shows an excellent command of English? Why the sudden abrupt change in view? Where does he demonstrate that he has excellent command of the English language? Enjoy your flight and safe journeys.
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  17357. +Sam Shyam Are you sure to spoke to real Tibetan refugees? Tibet is surrounded by mountains under treacherous low temperature and low oxygen environments, so the CCP stop the villagers from leaving the villages else they would die in the cold journey. What makes you think those people would even be able to trade their materials with other people? What version of history did you learn then? Mao Zedong did unified China and founded the People's Republic of China in 1949. Dr. Sun Yatsen founded the Republic of China in 1911 by overthrowing the Qing dynasty rulers, but China lost control of Tibet, and was divided and ruled by individual warlords. During the Japanese invasion of China, Chiang Kal-shek (Jiang Jieshi) refused to ally with the communists against the Japanese, and in fact, two of his KMT generals Zhang Xueliang and Yang Hucheng had to kidnap Chiang and force him into a truce with the Communist party, an event known as the Xi'an Incident So wasn't Chiang initially reluctant to ally with the communists against the Japanese invaders? In fact, Chiang Kai shek started the entire Chinese Civil War when he purged thousands of communists during the 1927 Shanghai massacre and that started the whole Chinese Civil War that cost KMT control over the mainland and fleeing to Taiwan. You keep on saying Mao is responsible for this and for that, then why did under Mao Zedong, China's population doubled, our lifespans doubled, our literacy rates doubled and our poverty rates fell? According to the following source China's population (Year) 544,112,923 (1950) 598,574,241 (1955) 644,450,173 (1960) 706,590,947 (1965) 808,510,712 (1970) 905,580,445 (1975) Source: Population of China 1950 populationpyramid.net/china/1950/ So by the time of Mao Zedong's death in 1976, China's population had almost doubled from 544 million to 905 million. So why do you Westerners keep on blaming Mao Zedong for a supposed 60 million deaths (more than even WWII death toll) Why is China the world's most populous country today, if had supposedly we suffered more deaths than even WWII? You based what you know about Mao upon people who fled him? Not from those who remained in China? How is that a fair judgement of someone if you only know him through his dissidents you tell me?
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  17385.  @Apollonos  "Mainland China is now a disaster, thanks to the incompetent CCP. China's dams are collapsing. China is suffering from floods, famine and Covid." The world is suffering from climate change and this includes floods plaguing other countries then how is the Communist Party of China to blame for bad weather conditions? But Chinese government response has been swift rescue teams have been dispatched to affected areas for disaster relief. And what famine are you talking about when China can support 20% of the worlds population with only 7% arable land and still produce surplus food for export to other countries? If China was undergoing a famine, then other countries that depend on Chinese agricultural imports will be the first to feel it. You said: "Under the DPP, the independent country of Taiwan has become a thriving, prosperous democracy." Taiwan's success was actually built by the authoritarian single-party KMT rule. Taiwan had been under authoritarian single-party KMT rule for more than half its life. For decades the KMT ruled Taiwan with iron fist and Chiang kai-shek was a dictator who jailed and executed dissidents and political rivals (whether real or perceived) in a period known as White Terror (白色恐怖) and imposed martial law on Taiwan for more than 38 years, which was qualified as "the longest imposition of martial law by a regime anywhere in the world" at that time. Even John Oliver acknowledges it at 6:25 of the video. But under authoritarian single-party KMT rule, Taiwan actually flourished and prospered, in what's known as the Taiwan Miracle (台湾奇迹). Between 1952-1982, Taiwan's economic growth was on average 8.7%, and between 1983-1986 at 6.9%. Taiwan GDP grew by 360% between 1965-1986. The percentage of global exports was over 2% in 1986, over other recently industrialized countries, and the global industrial production output grew a further 680% between 1965-1986. And its all been achieved under KMT leadership. Only in the late 1990s, when democracy was introduced (because USA threatened to cut off weapons sales to Taiwan) did Taiwan's economic growth became more modest. Since then, Taiwan's economy has stagnated, wages are stagnant, cost of living is rising, unemployment is rising and Taiwan graduates are increasingly seeking jobs abroad, such as in Singapore or mainland China. You said: "Taiwan has done a wonderful job of managing the Covid pandemic. The Taiwanese people are happy, prosperous and free." Taiwan is suffering under democracy, look at the Taiwan parliament members throwing chairs and water balloons at each other at 8:21 of John Oliver's video. And Taiwan only vaccinated 68% of their population, whereas mainland China vaccinated over 80% of our population. And if Taiwan was supposedly an independent country, then why Taiwan cannot join the United Nations like an independent country could? Is there something preventing Taiwan from joining the UN? You said: "The DPP has demonstrated that is much more capable of governing a country successfully than the CCP. The people of mainland China would be much better off under the DPP than the CCP." The DPP can't even govern an Island well, let alone the mainland, what makes you think the people of China will be much better off under the DPP than the CPC? Mainland China is world's 2nd largest economy, the world's factory (Made-in-China) having world's 2nd largest R&D spending, protected by world's largest land army, the People's Liberation Army, funded by the world's 2nd highest military expenditure and China today has strong global presence as well as being an influential player of world politics. Whereas Taiwan's economy is ranked 23rd in the world, their manufacturing jobs have been virtually all but outsourced to the mainland ('Made in Taiwan' used to be commonplace, now it's been largely replaced by 'Made in China') Taiwan has failed to deliver on their promise to someday retake the mainland and it relies on U.S weapon imports. Worst of all, Taiwan has hardly any global prescence, it's merely a pawn on the chessboard between global powers. Just recently, the Solomon Islands and Nicaragua switched recognition of Taipei to Beijing.
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  17390.  @HitodamaKyrie  "神州 Shenzhou I imagine it actually says Taiwan is China." The Republic of China 🇹🇼 (1912-1919) lost the mainland to the People's Republic of China 🇨🇳 and had to flee to Taiwan. During the Chinese Civil War, the Nationalist Kuomintang had massive wealth (they taxed peasants heavily) they had superior weapons and superior numbers over the communists. Yet despite all these initial advantages, the KMT still lost the mainland to a bunch of dirt-poor, ill-equipped, starving communist peasants and had to flee to Taiwan. If anything, this demonstrates KMT's gross incompetence in their right to rule the mainland, while cementing the communists right to rule China. You said: "Changing that would involve a declaration of independence which the mainland would likely use as an excuse for war." So Taiwan can't formally declare independence, then it just means Taiwan isn't independent after if there's something controlling Taiwan and preventing them from declaring independence. You said: "Taiwan is de facto independent already." If Taiwan was truly independent, then why is it Taiwan cannot join the United Nations like an independent country can? Is there something preventing Taiwan from joining the UN? Then how's Taiwan de facto independent? You said: "The status quo supports that. And we're talking about the people of Taiwan." So the status quo supports the fact that Taiwan cannot formally declare independent? And that Taiwan is part of China according to it's constitution? That means the majority of the people of Taiwan support the status quo that Taiwan is part of China.
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  17392.  @HitodamaKyrie  "Your first bit of copy and paste text is irrelevant because we're talking about the independence of Taiwan in the present." How is it irrelevant? We were talking about Taiwan's constitution saying Taiwan is China, but the KMT lost the mainland to a bunch of dirt-poor, ill-equipped, starving communist peasants and had to flee to Taiwan, so if anything, how does this support the claim that Taiwan is China? You said: "For the second bit, that's not how it works. China is not controlling Taiwan. It's threatening it. That vast majority of Taiwanese people just want to live their lives in peace." You have just illustrated that since Taiwan can't formally declare independence, they are being controlled. I mean, even in the Olympics, Taiwan cannot even participate as their own so-called "country" they have to use the name "Chinese Taipei" (seen at 10:30 of John Oliver's video) then how exactly is Taiwan independent when they can't even decide their own name at the Olympics? You said: "Joining the United Nations is not a requirement for being an independent nation." If anything, Taiwan not being able to join the United Nations shows that it's certainly not an independent country, isn't it? You said: "And as for something preventing Taiwan, yes there is something. China." Congratulations, you've just proven what I've been saying all along, that Taiwan isn't independent since mainland China prevents Taiwan from joining the United Nations. Taiwan can't even decide their own name in the Olympics, then how is Taiwan considered independent? You said: "Again, I'm fairly certain the constitution of Taiwan does not claim itself as "part of" China, but rather "China"" Go and read Taiwan's constitution again, please. Taiwan's constitution claims that Taiwan is part of China. Even if you claim Taiwan is China, their constitution clearly indicates that Taiwan is part of their territory, so in effect, Taiwan is part of China, no matter which way you try and twist it. You said: " And while I imagine that removing that claim would be pretty well supported, the PRC may very well use it as a casus belli which would involve war and death." Look at 18:30 of John Oliver's poll, it shows that only a minority of the people of Taiwan (5.6%) want independence and that a vast majority of the people of Taiwan (87%) prefer the status quo. And the status quo according to Taiwan's constitution, is that Taiwan is part of China, and a declaration of independence would be considered changing the status quo, a result that the majority in Taiwan do not support. You said: "Without some hope for a guarantee of a peaceful resolution, the "status quo" of denying the PRC is the middle ground that the Taiwanese people are effectively forced into." The status quo according to Taiwan's constitution is that Taiwan is part of China, and that's what the majority of the people of Taiwan polled prefer. Any move to declare independence would be considered changing the status quo, a result that's not supported by vast majority of the people of Taiwan, and even you admitted that Taiwan is unable to declare independence (or join the UN) because the mainland clearly controls Taiwan. Then Taiwan is not independent after all, since they are being controlled by the mainland, isn't it? You said: "Those 5000 years of "China" has seen it repeatedly break apart. Governments and Emperors are not what connects a people through history." China has 5000 years of history and is among the world's oldest "continuous" civilization still alive today, whereas other ancient civilizations like Mesopotamia, Rome and Egypt have since succumbed to history. China has witnessed the birth and death of various other nations, the rise and fall of numerous other empires, yet China has survived the violent passage of time to modern times relatively intact, whereas even Rome eventually crumbled. China has always been under the authoritarian rule (and we still are today) of emperors and the imperial court, because that's how China has been successfully governed for millennia. Not all countries have to adopt Western democracy to be successful and China is living proof of this. You said: "But hey, feel free to write your own essay on how if you take a situation out of context and apply faulty logic then China should totally have the right to conquer an independent people because once upon a time their ancestors lived in the same place and had an argument over how things should be done." How have I taken a situation out of context? I've shown that the Republic of China 🇹🇼 (1912-1919) lost the mainland to the People's Republic of China 🇨🇳 and had to flee to Taiwan. I've shown that only a minority of people (5.6%) in Taiwan want independence, and that majority of the people of Taiwan (87%) prefer the status quo. And the status quo according to Taiwan's constitution is that Taiwan is part of China. Any amendment to Taiwan's constitution (such as declaring independence) would be seen as changing the status quo and this is not what the majority of the people of Taiwan want. And we've already shown that any move by Taiwan to declare independence would be met with force from the mainland, then Taiwan is not independent after all, since they can't even pick their own name at the Olympics. I mean, I've given irrefutable proof that Taiwan is certainly not independent and is part of China. Even just recently, the Solomon Islands and Nicaragua switched allegiance and recognition of Taipei to Beijing.
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  17394.  @HitodamaKyrie  "神州 Shenzhou Your canned responses are amusing. You've not irrefutably proven anything aside from your own bias." I use logic and cite examples to support my argument. Taiwan is unable to declare independence because of the mainland (even you have admitted such) and Taiwan is cannot join the United Nations because according to you, the mainland China is preventing them from doing so. This should already dispels the notion that Taiwan is independent, given that they are letting mainland China dictate what they can or cannot do. Even at the Olympics, Taiwan can't even decide their own name, they have to use the name 'Chinese Taipei' (seen at 10:30 of John Oliver's video) then what more proof is needed that Taiwan isn't independent? You said: "You repeatedly misunderstand or more likely intentionally misrepresent what that 87% in favor of maintaining the status quo bit means." How have I misunderstood or misrepresented what the 87% in favor of maintaining the status quo means? The status quo according to Taiwan's constitution is that Taiwan is part of China. Since there hasn't been any amendments to Taiwan's constitution, then by default, Taiwan is part of China under their own constitution. Any move to amend its constitution or declare independence would be seen as changing the status quo, which is not what the majority of the people of Taiwan prefer. You said: "If a declaration of independence were a more viable option, then I suspect the "independence as soon as possible" percentage would be drastically higher." That's just your own speculation without proof that's all. According to the polls at 18:30, only a small number of people (5.6%) want independence, the majority of the people of Taiwan (87%) prefer the status quo. And the status quo according to Taiwan's constitution is that Taiwan is part of China, any move to change the status quo (such as declaring independence) is not what the majority of the people of Taiwan desire. I mean, my arguments are well-grounded in reality, based off polls and other information, that's why I've presented a solid argument as to why Taiwan isn't independent, and that only a minority want independence, while the majority of the people of Taiwan prefer the status quo (which is that Taiwan is part of China). My points reinforce each other, whereas it appears yours is based on speculation and what-ifs that's all. Yet you're accusing me of misunderstanding or misrepresenting the data gleamed?
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  17416.  @junebug8485  You said: "however here in the US what the government delivers is ultimately up to what the people want (hence living in a democracy)," I disagree. Take the U.S sending aid to Ukraine for example, how is this the will of the ordinary Americans? The U.S is sending millions of their taxpayers money to a country (that's known for its corruption) and isn't even a member of NATO for crying out loud, amid the rising food and gas prices are enacting a toll on the ordinary citizens lives. How is this a democracy when the U.S government isn't doing what the ordinary Americans want? So what if you have the ability to contact government officials? Do the government officials actually enact the change that you want? In China, there are similar channels in which ordinary Chinese can contact their local political representatives to lodge complaints, which are then taken note of in the local representatives performance. You said: "In my opinion, if no one seeks to change an issue then is it really worth delivering?" So you're saying Americans are pretty much satisfied with their lot in life then? Yet why is there unrest brewing across much of the Western democracies today? The U.S is clearly a plutocracy. Many Americans often lament how the 1% controls the 99%, and the rich Americans are able to influence U.S political decision-making through lobbying. For example, the U.S wages wars in the Middle East to control the oil at the will of the American oil companies (but at the expense of ordinary Americans).
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  17419.  @junebug8485  "神州 Shenzhou Disliking a government party plays right into whether or not citizens think their government is on track (doing the right thing)," Read the WEF article carefully, the question is not whether the government is on track, it's which countries are on the right track, according to their citizens, not about disliking which government party. It's about the country as a whole, not about the government. Trump was democratically elected as Presidents by the American people, so if people surveyed feel that their country is on the wrong direction, it means that the government they voted into power is unable to deliver what the ordinary Americans want, so it's not a democracy in the sense that I've defined earlier. Also, the PRC having one government doesn't mean that the people are of one opinion. There still clearly exists opposition, even if only 10%, then how does your argument of one government, one opinion make sense at all? It just so happens that China's government is able to deliver what the people want, so the overwhelming majority of people surveyed think that China is on the right track. Then isn't this a form of democracy in of itself? You said: "You also need to take into consideration the type of people who were interviewed as well as the number of people interviewed," Opinion surveys cannot possible survey the entire population, so they take a sample size that's meant to represent the entire population. Mind you, this survey was published by reputable and respected organization, the World Economic Forum, so would they risk the damage to their reputation by being selective in their survey? Biden's Inflation Reduction Act is doing little to reduce inflation. Rising prices slowed temporarily because of falling gas prices at that time, rather than anything in this bill. Also, in the bill, the provisions on prescription medicines don't start until 2026, how does this bill help in the immediate period with the rising prices? You said: "And no, the PRC isn't "more democratic". You purposely dodge the fact that the US provides for it's people. Yes, the PRC does give the people what they need, and Yes the US does the same. This is why I called your argument bias in my first chat as you neglected to mention that the US provides for it's people as well and yet you completely left it out to advance your own personal argument." In my first statement, I wrote: However, if a government is able to consistently deliver what the people want (i.e China's) then doesn't it fit the definition of a democracy? so how is this statement wrong? Even you admitted that: "Yes the PRC does give the people what they want," and the survey results (90% Chinese believing China is on the right track) indicate that it's more consistent than say the 65% of Americans thinking that their country is on the wrong track. You said: "And no, there isn't any censorship in America, let me explain." There clearly is. Even on YouTube platform itself, it's apparent that censorship in America exists. Your explanation is the American social media is owned by private corporations, but these private corporations can still choose to censor comments and ban people's accounts, then how is this not censorship? For example, Trump's Twitter, Instagram and other social media accounts were banned after the Jan 6 Capitol Hill riots, during a period when Trump was still technically the POTUS. This just goes to show how much power the private companies have over even the American government. So how is the U.S not a plutocracy with a government of the 1%, by the 1%, for the 1%? The social media can just shut down people who disagree.
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  17422.  @junebug8485  You said: "A government is the foundation on which a country is built." But a government is not the only foundation. Countries are also defined by people, cultures, ethnicity, history, and various other attributes. Read the WEF article, it clearly asks the question Which countries are on the right track, according to their citizens. For example, some Americans feel that America is heading in the wrong direction with the "woke" culture of supporting LGBTQ, BLM, immigration issues and so on. You said: "Regardless if you choose to believe it or not, America is defined as a democracy... In our constitution the first 3 words are "We the people of the United States"." So you're saying America is a democracy because it's in its name? Who is the one giving America this definition of democracy? North Korea calls itself the Democratic Peoples Republic of Korea, so does this mean you agree that North Korea is a democracy as well? And why is it you accept America as a democracy because of its constitution, but when it comes to the People's Republic of China, you question it and suggest renaming it? Earlier you wrote: "Can it truly be called The "People's" Republic of China? Maybe instead itshould be "The Government's Republic of China"." so why the double standards here? You said: "The PRC's one government, one system influencing opinions makes a lot of sense." It doesn't. While media in China is controlled by the government, but opposition is still present. If it was truly one opinion, then there should be 100% agreement (which is not the case, it's around 80-90%). And clearly the government's actions have resulted in the improvement of lives of many Chinese. Poverty alleviation efforts by the communist party has lifted some 800 million people out of poverty, and living standards in China are rising for millions of people, that's why it can be taken as the Chinese government having delivered what the ordinary Chinese want. On the other hand, the fact that 65% of Americans that think their country is on the wrong track, indicates that the government is unable to deliver what the Americans want. You said: "My point is the individuals interviewed in these sample sizes were totally randomized." Exactly, so the sample size consists of randomized people from the pro-republican camp, the pro-democratic camp, and so on. But the survey results still indicate that 65% of Americans feel that the country is on the wrong track. You said: "For all you know, the WEF could have unknowingly taken the survey from a region the people there disagree with Trump's policies more than in other regions" Didn't you've just said earlier that the people interviewed in these sample sizes were totally randomized? So there are people from all walks of life interviewed, and yet the result was that 65% of Americans think that the country is on the wrong track. You said: "In the PRC there aren't sides when it comes to the government as there is only one," If that's the case, then the survey results should be 100% of Chinese agreeing in the survey, but the fact remains that opposition exists. The fact that 10% of the population said "no the country is not doing well", shows that more than one side exists. You said: "You claimed that the US does not give the citizens what they want. I responded with pointing out The Inflation Act, which gives the citizens what they want." But Biden's Inflation Act doesn't give citizens what they want, I've already explained as such. Even now, the U.S is sending another package of aid to Ukraine, despite the fact that it's one of the most corrupt countries, as well as not being a member of NATO in the first place, yet are Americans fine with this? You said: "The full statement is: "Yes the PRC does give the people what they want, and Yes the US also gives the people what they want". This contradicts with your claim that the PRC is more democratic as the US gives the people what they want as well, with more privilege on top of that." Read my first statement again, I wrote: "However, if a government is able to consistently deliver what the people want (i.e China's) then doesn't it fit the definition of a democracy?" I clearly use the word consistently to indicate that China is more consistent in delivering 90% of what the people want, whereas in the U.S, the 65% that think U.S is on the wrong track indicates that the U.S is not as consistent. You said: "And as I previously pointed out, there is no way to prove that the PRC citizens base their opinions off of their own thought as the government controls all means of information, and even the social media apps PRC citizens can use." Didn't you admit earlier that 10% of China's populous was brave enough to say "no the country is not doing well"? Then why are you claiming that there is no way to prove the that PRC citizens base our opinions off of their own thought, when there are clearly people that disagree? You said: "Twitter is not America, it is separate from what defines America itself." But Trump was the POTUS when his Twitter account was banned, it's a clear indication that censorship exists in America. Trump was tweeting out his disagreement with the results of the 2020 Presidential election, and that's why his account was suspended. And it's not limited to Twitter, many other users with a different view have found their accounts banned on YouTube, Instagram, and other social media sites, yet you're still claiming censorship doesn't exist in America? You said: "Twitter banning Trump does not mean that he is controlled by the one percent." The former POTUS Trump's voice has been silenced by a private company Twitter (i.e the 1%), how is Trump not being controlled by the 1%? Any politician who says something that the 1% do not like to hear may find themselves been banned or censored. Earlier you've even wrote that: "Twitter is owned by an individual, not America." and yet this one individual has the power to silence even the POTUS, so how does this not make U.S a plutocracy? You said: "Twitter is a company, America is a country." Yet this company has the power to control the democratically elected leader of the country, which goes to show how the U.S is clearly a plutocracy, with a government of the 1%, by the 1%, for the 1%. Earlier, you claim China's media is controlled by the Chinese government, but the U.S media is controlled by private corporations owned by the 1%. Currently, just 5 corporations control roughly 90% of America's media, which is how the 1% maintain their hold over American's citizens access to information.
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  17423.  @bartonlee3594  Communism indeed remains the center of China's growth, but like I said earlier, China will most likely fuse elements of the Chinese experience into Marx's vision of communism, resulting in "Communism with Chinese Characteristics" (much like the current "Socialism with Chinese Characteristics"). I know you are being sarcastic, but I mostly agree with your description of the necessary methods undertaken by Mao and other founders who oversaw the modernization of China's military. The Century of Humiliation has imparted lessons to China, that a big country with a weak military (i.e Qing Dynasty Army) will only invite foreign powers to invade, so a big country needs a strong military to act as a deterrent to potential aggressors. Mao wasn't actually supportive of the harsh repression of minority communities. In fact, in 1938, Mao Zedong actually criticized what's known as Han Chauvinism (大汉族主义) which portrayed Han (the ethnic majority of Chinese) as inherently superior to other ethnic minorities. Modern communist party policies actually tend to grant favorable status to ethnic minorities (such as Tibetans, Uighurs, Mongols, Manchus etc) in education and so on. State control over private companies is necessary. Capitalism favors monopolies, that's why many American monopolies like Apple, Google, Facebook, Amazon dominate their respective industries, having eliminated competition from other smaller American firms, possibly stifling innovation through competition in the process. In China, there are anti-monopoly laws, clamping down on anti-competitive practices in Alibaba, Tencent, Didi, etc. This helps "free up space" so that other smaller Chinese companies can emerge and compete with the more established companies, possibly promoting innovation through competition. While Deng Xiaoping's policies have resulted in economic growth for China, it also resulted in growing inequality between the rich and the poor. President Xi's hopes to rectify this problem through "Common Prosperity", by improving infrastructure connecting the wealthy Chinese port cities in the East (i.e Shanghai, Shenzhen, Guangzhou, etc) with the less-developed land-locked regions in the West (i.e Tibet, Xinjiang), in order to more evenly distribute China's wealth.
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  17449.  @johanhirte9661  And the Yuan (元) Dynasty was a Chinese dynasty, as the Mongolian Kublai Khan (grandson of Genghis) abandoned his babaric nomadic ways and adopted Chinese culture and language, living in a permanent housing in the palace as the Emperor of Yuan Dynasty China (whereas his grandfather Genghis purportedly never slept under a permanent roof his entire nomadic life). And Tibet was made part of the Yuan Dynasty. Tibet was part of Ming (明) Dynasty as the Tibetan leaders had their titles bestowed upon them by the Ming Court. For example the 3rd Dalai Lama was bestowed the right to rule Tibet by the Ming Prince of Shunyi. And in 1720, the Manchu leaders of the Qing (清) dynasty sent an expedition army to Tibet in response to the occupation of Tibet by the forces of the Dzungar Khanate, together with Tibetan forces under Polhanas of Tsang and Kangchennas, the governor of Western Tibet, they expelled the Dzungars from Tibet in 1720. Xinjiang was part of China before even Jesus Christ himself was born, during the Han (汉) Dynasty (200BC) and where was known as Xiyu (西域). Xinjiang had never been an independent country, even the so-called "East Turkestan" is a fake name coined in the 19th century by Russian Turkologists (including Nikita Bichurin) to replace another Western term, Chinese Turkestan. So historically, there was never any historical country called "East Turkestan". As for different languages, Tibetan language is part of the Sino-Tibetan family of languages, which is a family of more than 400 languages, second only to Indo-European in number of native speakers, and includes the vast majority of the 1.4 billion native speakers of Chinese languages, Burmese (33 million) and the Tibetic languages (six million).
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  17450.  @johanhirte9661  You said: "I don’t even say that these regions are not a part of China now." So does that mean you agree that Tibet and Xinjiang are part of China now? Then we are in agreement that those regions are part of China today, even USA acknowledges Tibet and Xinjiang as part of China, so does UK, France, Germany, Canada, Australia, etc. The Philippines 🇵🇭 have even been colonized by the Americans. The Americans had initially promised Philippines independence if they help them fight the Spanish. But after the Spanish surrendered, the Americans broke their promise and took the Philippines for themselves, resulting in the American-Philippine War in which 4,000 American soldiers died, but 20,000 Filipino soldiers died and a 250,000 Filipino civilians died. In the aftermath, Philippines became an American colony. Video: The Philippine American War-The Shocking Truth youtu.be/bN2wrZGcs8s You said: "As colonies and China is till today a colonial power which is suppressing other countries and take over control of their territory." Which other country has been suppressed by China? We know that Tibet and Xinjiang are historically part of China and those states independence has not been recognized. And if you want to bring up Taiwan, even Taiwan's constitution says that Taiwan is part of China. You said: "And Ur Interview with this guy doesn’t change that even a bit." Martin Jacques is a British journalist, editor, academic, political commentator and author, and he knows Chinese history far more intimately than most Westerners. If you disregard his views, then what make you dispute his claim that China never invade nor colonize other countries or territories?
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  17454. @ForrestSCS Westerners have long been predicting China's economic downfall. Here's a list: 1990. The Economist: China's economy has come to a halt. 1996. The Economist: China's economy will face hard landing. 1998. The Economist: China's economy entering a dangerous period of sluggish growth. 1999. Bank of Canada: Likelihood of a hard landing for the Chinese economy. 2000. Chicago Tribune: China currency move nails hard landing risk coffin. 2001. Wilbanks, Smith & Thomas: A hard landing in China. 2002. Westchester University: China Anxiously Seeks A Soft Economic landing. 2003. KWR International: How to find a soft landing if China.. 2004. The Economist: The great fall of China? 2005. Nouriel Roubini: The Risk of a Hard Landing in China. 2006. International Economy: Can China Achieve a Soft Landing? 2007. TIME: Is China's Economy Overheating? Can China avoid a hard landing? 2008. Forbes: Hard Landing in China? 2009. Fortune: China's hard landing. China must find a way to recover. 2010. Nouriel Roubini: Hard landing coming in China. 2011. Business Insider: A Chinese Hard Landing May Be Closer Than You Think. 2012. American Interest: Dismal Economic News from China: A Hard Landing. 2013. Zero Hedge: A Hard Landing in China. 2014. CNBC: A hard landing in China. 2015. Forbes: Congratulations, You got Yourself A Chinese Hard Landing.... 2016. The Economist: Hard Landing looms for China. 2017. National Interest: Is China's Economy Going To Crash? 2018. The Daily Reckoning: China's Coming Financial Meltdown. 2019. Zero Hedge: Seven Reasons Why China Is Facing A Hard Landing In 2019 2020. Forbes: Remember The China 'Hard Landing'? We Got One. ... But its already 2021, and China's economy is still going strong. So why continue to believe China's economy will fall, given that Western journalists predictions about China's collapse been proven consistently wrong for 31 years already?
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  17455. @ForrestSCS If you want to look at history, China has 5,000 years of history and is among the world's oldest "continuous" civilization still alive today, whereas other ancient civilizations like Mesopotamia, Rome and Egypt have since succumbed to history. China has witnessed the birth and death of various other nations, the rise and fall of numerous other empires, yet China has survived the violent passage of time to modern times relatively intact, whereas even Rome eventually crumbled. China has always been under the authoritarian rule (and we still are today) of emperors and the imperial court, because that's how China has been successfully governed for millennia. Not all countries have to adopt Western democracy to be successful and China is living proof of this. Because this is what China's 5,000 years of history is telling us, that China functions best under a strong central government, like the Emperor and the Imperial Court of old. China's current authoritarian political closely emulates the ancient imperial system under President Xi Jinping and the Communist Party of China. And go and read Taiwan's own constitution, it says that Taiwan is part of China. Taiwan claims all of mainland China (including Tibet, Xinjiang, Inner Mongolia, Manchuria, etc) as part of their territory, including territory currently under the control of Mongolia, Burma (Myanmar), Bhutan, India, Japan, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Russia and Tajikistan. Here's a Map of all the territory Taiwan claims (source:wikipedia.org/wiki/File:ROC_Administrative_and_Claims.svg ) Since there hasn't been any amendments to Taiwan's constitution, then by default, Taiwan is part of China under their own constitution.
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  17488.  @hanhdoan9101  1) If you read Peng Shuai's post (full translation available on Reddit) she actually consented to the affair. She had known Zhang Gaoli before he become vice premier at least 7 years since 2012 and this is what she wrote: "You said in those seven years, you never forgot about me, and you will treat me well etc... I was terrified and anxious. Taking into consideration the affection I had for you seven years ago, I agreed... yes, we had sex. Romantic attraction is such a complicated thing that explain it clearly. From that day on, I renewed my love for you. Throughout my time with you after that, purely based on our interactions, you were a very good person, and you treated me well." So while the relationship was forced, the sex was consensual and she agreed, so where are the allegations of sexual assault? 2) I've previously said that maybe she wasn't thinking straight at the time of her post (or perhaps she was intoxicated during the time of her posting) so it's possible she deleted her post after she realized what she has done. Under traditional Chinese mindset, having am affair with a much older man is considered embarrassing in nature, and why is it inconceivable to you that Peng Shuai want's to lay low for a while, until this whole issue blows over? Given how shameful it is to have her previous affair exposed, she has expressed her desire for privacy, but the WTA doesn't want to honor her wishes for privacy. 3) What's wrong with another person sharing the same opinion as me? So many people already jump to conclusions that Peng Shuai is missing (when we have footage of her attending dinners and awards ceremonies for kid athletes and even meeting Yao Ming) or that she is being coerced without even bothering to read Peng Shuai's post itself.
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  17489.  @hanhdoan9101  "神州 Shenzhou You literally said "she was forced to have a relationship with him" and also said "she consented to the affair." Those are two contradictory statements." That's why Peng Shuai was emotional in her post, and while she admits that the relationship was forced, she eventually consented to the affair and agreed to have sex (it's all in her post like I quoted earlier). But what is evident was that there was no allegations of sexual assault in her post (point it out if you can) and that 发生关系 just means have a relationship. That's where the misunderstanding arouse from. "Besides all these translation run-a-round is pointless because it doesn't change my opinion (or WTA's or the general public consensus) of what happened." If your opinion was already formed based on faulty data/translation, then why refuse to change your opinion, given that the basis for your allegations of sexual assault are shoddy? Nowhere in Peng Shuai's post did she claim sexual assault, but the WTA is deliberately politicizing the issue in an attempt to get more countries to consider boycotting the 2022 Olympic Games in Beijing, that's the motive behind WTA pushing the unproven claims of sexual assault. "Here is what happened: - The government noticed traction on the post on Weibo and took it down" Or it's possible she took down the post herself, if she realized what she has done. "- Peng all of a sudden disappeared (and no don't tell me she was embarassed and wants privacy for the 1,000th time)" Those were her very words. Peng Shuai expressed a desire for personal privacy during the video call with IOC, and now she has come out and reiterated her desire for privacy on video here. "- The government then staged all these photoshoots to make it look like she is happy and free (and don't try to tell me these are real. She is being forced and it's so obvious. It doesn't matter what we see in front of the camera. We know what's happening behind the camera)" This is your claim, then do you have evidence that the government staged all these photoshoots to make it look like she is happy and free? Do you have evidence that this are not real? I mean, I find it amusing that you refuse to believe evidence of Peng Shuai's very own words (quoted from her post, and from photoshoots of her attending dinners and awards ceremonies) but you readily believe that those photoshoots are staged without proof.
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  17490.  @hanhdoan9101  "Dr. Wenliang discovered covid and made an announcement about it, and then forced to retract his statement by the officials and accused of spreading rumors" Dr Li Wenliang's announcement was on 30th Dec 2019, and China had reported the emergence a mysterious pneumonia like illness on 31st Dec 2019 to the World Health Organization (just 1 day after Dr Li's announcement). By 5th January 2020, China had isolated and identified the coronavirus strain out of millions, and by 12th Jan 2020, China had sequenced Covid-19 genome and shared the information with WHO. So how is this evidence of China covering up whistleblowers when Dr Li's announcement was only 1 day earlier (30th Dec 2019) than when China reported the novel coronavirus to the WHO on 31st Dec 2019? China had shared any information gleamed about Covid-19 to the WHO, but many Western countries just ignored the warnings from China that's all, and they are trying to blame their own catastrophic handling of Covid-19 on China that's all. "It is completely sensible to doubt the authenticity of these photos of Peng. Not to mention in this video her eyes kept veering the right as she is reading from a script. It doesn't take a genius to conclude what is happening here." It's entirely possible that Peng Shuai was reading off a teleprompter positioned to the side. But again, wheres the evidence that the government stages these photoshoots of Peng Shuai attending dinners, award ceremonies for kid athletes and even talking to Yao Ming? And it doesn't change the fact that there are no allegations of sexual assault in Peng Shuai's post, and that although the relationship was initially forced, the sex was consensual in the end (as I pointed out in her post). Peng Shuai has repeatedly expressed her desire for personal privacy, in the video call with IOC and here in public, and these are her very words, not mine. Again, why is it you refuse to believe the evidence presented that there are no allegations of sexual assault, and that Peng Shuai is fine, attending public events, and wishes for privacy, while you grasp at straws about the photoshoots being staged by the government without proof?
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  17491.  @hanhdoan9101  Because Dr Li Wenliang's statement was "There are 7 confirmed cases of SARS at Huanan Seafood Market." (华南水果海鲜市场确诊了7例SARS), so he merely signed a form agreeing not to spread unproven rumours that's all, and Dr Li returned to work the next day. Actually, if you read Dr Li's post, he didn't intend to be a whistleblower, he wrote: "Don't circulate the information outside of this group, tell your family and loved ones to take precautions." (大家不要外传 让家人情人注意防范) But someone took screenshot of his private WeChat post and uploaded it to Chinese social media and that's why the authoritaries were called in to curb the spread of unproven rumours that's all. And it doesn't change the fact that while his post was on 30th Dec 2019, China had reported to the WHO of a mysterious pneumonia like illness on 31st Dec 2019, the day after. "And no one cares about dinners, award ceremonies for kid athletes and no one cares about Yao Ming." I've been reading your posts and it's apparent that you just dismiss anything that doesn't support your claim, and just blindly grasp at straws that these photoshoots are staged by the government without evidence. I'm pointing out evidence that Peng Shuai is fine and attending dinners, etc but you just dismiss them as staged by the government without proof, then aren't you the one being unreasonably biased against China that's all? I mean you failed to point out Peng Shuai's claims of sexual assault in her post, I've pointed out that the sex was consensual (in her post) then what is your basis for your claims of sexual assault occurring? Then you try to switch topic to Dr Li, even though that case has nothing to do with Peng Shuai, because you're unable to produce evidence of sexual assault. This is the fallacy of false equivalence where you bring up unrelated topics, just today compare apples to oranges.
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  17492.  @hanhdoan9101  "神州 Shenzhou You know that I can just Google Dr. Li's story and see the complete details of his story" Then earlier why'd you ask me "神州 Shenzhou Can you explain to me why then was he summoned to the Public Security Bureau..."? I mean, you're the one asking me to explain it after all, and that's exactly what I did. "...rather than read your watered-down version right?" Watered-down? I literally quoted his exact words (even in Chinese no less) which Western media would give you the exact words Dr Li said? And I even cited his reluctance to circulate the information outside of his WeChat group (even in Chinese no less) you think Western MSM will quote that? In fact, it's more likely the opposite is true; that you'll get a more watered-down version of Dr Li's story from Western MSM, rather that the exact details I described. "And to remind you why I brought up his story. There is a common thread between Dr. Li and Peng. Both live in communist China that controls media and officials use forceful tactics to control people's behaviors," That's as common as all 1.4 billion people that live in China share, what's the point of you bringing up this thread? And your really think the Chinese government can control all 1.4 billion people in China? " Of course there is no evidence of Peng's photos being staged... So in this case we are probably not going to get the evidence that China is hiding." So where's this evidence that China is hiding evidence? This is the fear and paranoia that's gripping the Western countries, it's like the Red Scare (fear of communism) and *Yellow Peril (fear of Asians overrunning the West) all over again, where people are suspicious of Chinese without proof. "You think evidence is the only obstacle that is keeping us from believing the photos are staged?" No, I'm pointing out that you don't have evidence of those photos being staged by the government, then why jump to conclusions without proof? "Obviously WTA understands that too, therefore not being fooled by these predictable attempts. But who needs evidence when you have such obvious signs in front of you." The 2022 Beijing Olympics is coming up next year, so the WTA is trying to politicize sports in order to create ammunition for other countries to continue maligning China and to consider boycotting the 2022 Beijing Olympics. If the WTA truly cared about Peng Shuai, then they would respect her wish for privacy, instead of demanding that she appear in public to bare her private life for the world to see. And what "obvious signs in front of you" are you talking about? You have already admitted that you have no evidence that those photoshoots were staged by the government.
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  17493.  @hanhdoan9101  You said: "And I've read the translation where she stated she was forced to have sex with him." Where is it? This is what you quoted from earlier: "神州 Shenzhou That afternoon I didn't give my consent and couldn't stop crying," she wrote. "You brought me to your house and forced me and you to have relations."" But where's the allegations that she was forced to have sex with him? I previously quoted her words from her post: "You said in those seven years, you never forgot about me, and you will treat me well etc... I was terrified and anxious. Taking into consideration the affection I had for you seven years ago, I agreed... yes, we had sex. Romantic attraction is such a complicated thing that explain it clearly. From that day on, I renewed my love for you. Throughout my time with you after that, purely based on our interactions, you were a very good person, and you treated me well." So it turns out that the sex was consensual so where is the part where you claim she was forced to have sex with him? That's why Peng Shuai has denied the allegations of sexual assault, because there aren't any in her post. "I wouldn't be surprised if officials posted on Reddit either with that specific translation where she was only forced into a relationship but consent to sex." Again, it's like every piece of evidence that goes against your narrative is automatically assumed to be staged/faked by the government, then where does this fear and paranoia come from? Do you have evidence that officials posted that specific translation on Reddit? "Just so you know, America social media is different than China social media. There are places on the internet you haven't combed through yet." Last I checked, Reddit is an American social news aggregation, web content rating, and discussion website, so yeah, it certainly is different. Also, have you combed through Chinese social media like WeChat, Weibo, Tencent QQ, Douban, Zhihu, Youku, DouYin, Toutiao, Meituan Dianping, and so on? "And you think I'm grasping for straws? What do I have to benefit from proving that Peng was assualted, kidnapped, and forced to make these videos?" You benefit from your continued maligning of China, even though you have no evidence of your claims, that's why you're grasping at straws, claiming the photoshoots are staged by the government (without proof) and now even presuming the Reddit translation was by officials (without proof). It's like you're just "conclusion shopping" where you already deemed China guilty, and just shop for evidence that supports your conclusion, all the while dismissing the mountain of evidence (i.e translations of her posts, footage of her attending dinners, etc) that goes against your narrative as faked.
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  17494.  @hanhdoan9101  "神州 Shenzhou I asked you explain Dr. Li's story so I can gauge how you explain it. Like I expected, you simplified" I literally gave you his words in Chinese and explained the reasoning behind it, because unproven rumors can cause panic and misinformation, especially in the medical industry. "And I saw in WESTERN MEDIA that he was reluctant to let it circulate outside Wechat because obviously he didn't want authorities to know that he knew" Which Western Media says he was reluctant to let it circulate outside Wechat because obviously he didn't want authorities to know that he knew? "And you are asking me what was the point of bringing up this common thread between Dr. Li and Peng?" Because this "common thread" is pointless, I mean, are you saying all 1.4 billion people of China share this common thread? Have you actually been to China and seen what life is really like here for yourself? "And China is trying to control all their citizens, why else will they have officials scrolling through social media, blocking keywords, taking down posts and threatening people to reverse their statements." If China was really trying to control all it's citizens, then why are Chinese people free to travel overseas for work, study or play? I mean, before 2019, everyone has heard of Chinese tourists visiting your lands and spending money on your economy. Western schools and universities are positively flooded with international Chinese students, studying the same topics as their peers. Chinese companies are expanding overseas, and Chinese investors are buying up land and property in other parts of the world, so what makes you think the government controls all it's citizens? "And where is the evidence that China is hiding evidence? I'll tell you what it is: resistance to letting Peng met with WTA," Peng Shuai has previously sent emails to the WTA, she sent one email to WTA on Nov 17, claiming that the allegation of sexual assault was not true, and that she was not missing. She criticized the WTA for releasing what it claimed was unverified information about Peng without her consent. "...clumsy attempts to show pictures and videos of her looking happy and safe, extremely poor acting on the part of the coach in the dinner video..." Again, since you can't prove that these photos and videos are staged, then it's just your own negative speculation without evidence that's all. I mean, "extremely poor acting"? That implies it was real behavior that's not being staged isn't it? "Peng looking off to the right of the camera as if she was reading a script. Since when do people need prompter to answer a simple question? When your friend asks you how you are, do you read off a notecard in front of you, "yes I am doing fine."" Maybe she's deep in thought and considering her response to the question, that's why she looked off to the side? Again, without evidence, why are you jumping to conclusions that she's reading off a script without proof? "Even though they are not evidence that directly proves the photos are staged, they are still suspicious activity that raises concern and doubt." Here's Singaporean newspaper Lianhe Zaobao reporter interviewing Peng Shuai at a cross-country skiing event in Shanghai. Peng Shuai denied she had made an accusation, saying in Chinese "I have never said or written that anyone has sexually assaulted me, I have to clearly stress this point", and that there had been misunderstandings about her post on Weibo. She confirmed she had written to the WTA denying making an allegation of assault. https://youtu.be/ZF9Owb9uSOE
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  17495.  @hanhdoan9101  "are you not familiar with those cases where a husband is suspected of murdering his wife but there was no evidence (fingerprints, weapons, etc) so he is acquitted of charges," So under Western law, there is a presumption of innocence where suspect is innocent until proven guilty in a court of law. Then why are you seemingly automatically assuming that the suspect is guilty when there's no evidence of the person's alleged crime? Peng Shuai has repeatedly denied the accusations of sexual assault (in her post, in her email to WTA, and now in that interview with Singaporean newspaper Lianhe Zaobao) then why jump to conclusions without proof? "So walk me through this claim that WTA is trying to politicize sports. Let's say Peng Shuai never posted anything on Weibo. So if WTA can't use this case, what else would they have done to politicize sports?" They might have found some other way to demonize China by picking up on another story and exaggerating it like they did with Peng Shuai. It's a hypothetical example by you that's all. "Or another option is, even if they met with Peng and it turns out that everything was true about the assault, what would WTA's next step be specifically with Peng that will directly lead to them politicizing sports?" Everything true about the assault as in Peng Shuai's denial of sexual assault or that that sexual assault really happened? "Yes I agree she admitted their affair and they had consensual sex PREVIOUSLY. But previous consensual sex doesn't prevent forced sex in the future." No, read again the translation by Peng Shuai, she had sex with him seven years ago, as well as after that, and both times were consensual, so what allegations of sexual assault are you talking about? "She said forced relations (forced sex) so even though they had consensual sex before, she said he forced her into sex this one time and yes forced sex is assault." Forced relations is not the same as forced sex, and where did she ever said he forced her into sex? Could you specifically quote me her words saying so? Because what Peng Shuai's post said is that the sex was consensual, she wrote: "Taking into consideration the affection I had for you seven years ago, I agreed... yes, we had sex. Romantic attraction is such a complicated thing that explain it clearly. From that day on, I renewed my love for you." Here's a video explanation of Peng Shuai's post and the translation by someone who knows Chinese: youtu.be/cvTUvvePJYg "And you missed my point about American vs Chinese social media. I mentioned that there are ways news is spread in America where Chinese officials cannot infiltrate and pretend to be a common citizen and make a post or take down posts like they do on Weibo." Well, then since Reddit is an American platform, then Chinese officials cannot infiltrate it and post that specific translation isn't it? "Saying Reddit is an American platform and rattling off that list of Chinese social media platforms doesn't support anything in this" But you just confirmed that Chinese officials cannot infiltrate American social media and since Reddit is an American platform, then the idea of Chinese officials infiltrating Reddit and post that specific translation is highly unlikely isn't it? As for the list of Chinese social media platforms, I've been on them, have you? Then why did you claim that "There are places on the internet you haven't combed through yet." when apparently you never been on Chinese social media? "And "I benefit from continue maligning of China?" You didn't answer my question. How am I benefitting?" You are benefiting by feeding your anti-China sentiment (and those surrounding you) by promoting falsehoods to people without any basis or any evidence. By constantly maligning China, you discourage other people from visiting China and finding out what life is really like here, and continuing this spreading this distrust of China. Once again, it's because you are "conclusion shopping." You want to arrive at a certain negative conclusion of China, so you disregard any evidence that goes against your narrative or try to twist them to suit your conclusion that's all.
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  17496.  @hanhdoan9101  "神州 Shenzhou If you are just going to dodge the question as to why you didn't include threat and coercion regarding Dr. Li then we are finished with this topic." I don't even know why we are talking about this topic at all when it has nothing to do with Peng Shuai. How do you even prove that Dr Li was threatened and coerced? And from the fact that he didn't want to circulate the information, it's possible that this was his intention all along, not to spread the information, but just that someone took screenshot of his post and uploaded it to social media. "And why should I tell you which western media it is?" So I take it that no Western media said such a thing? The funny thing is that you have no qualms dodging questions, yet you complain about me supposedly doing the same. "I have friends who live in China and each time they come visit in the States, they tell me it sucks to have to find ways to discuss forbidden topics but they manage to find ways to do it." Congratulations, you've just proven that China cannot control all 1.4 billion citizens and that people manage to find ways to do it. "And extremely poor acting DOES NOT imply real behavior. How did you even come up with that? Do you even know what acting is?" Acting is when something is staged, and poor acting implies that it wasn't staged after all, and it's possibly the real deal. "He is doing a poor job of trying to convince viewers that this video is recent therefore trying to disprove that Peng wasn't locked up somewhere." That means that he's a poor actor and it's adds credence to the possibility that the event wasn't staged. And do you even have evidence that Peng Shuai was locked up somewhere in the first place? Otherwise without evidence, why jump to conclusions without proof? "And why are you asking me questions I already gave you answers to?" Weren't you also asking me questions in which I already gave you answers to? "A suspect that has a history of violence of abuse towards his wife and one day his wife suddenly dies makes him look suspicious" So do you have evidence of Zhang Gaoli having a history of sexual assault? Even you claimed that seven years ago, the sex was consensual (you said: "Yes I agree she admitted their affair and they had consensual sex PREVIOUSLY.") that means Zhang doesn't have a history of sexual assault, so why is he even suspicious in the first place then? Otherwise, what's the point of your analogy, other than the fact that Western law has the presumption of innocence, where a suspect is innocent until proven guilty? Since you have no evidence of sexual assault, then are you seemingly jumping to conclusions that Zhang is guilty without proof? "The video interview looked shady" How was it shady? Was it shot in poor lighting or something? "And you can't prove Peng wrote those emails it could've been a government official." Peng Shuai has admitted that she wrote those emails to WTA Simon Steve in Chinese, (video: youtu.be/ZF9Owb9uSOE?t=150 ) and as for the English version, her English wasn't good enough to translate her words from Chinese into English. She also said the English version's meaning is not different from the one she wrote the Mr Simon personally and the message was in accordance with her own wishes. "And America is trying to demonize China?" Haven't you seen the sheer amount of American anti-China propaganda? I had the opportunity to learn English and study abroad, and I was appalled at the widespread anti-China propaganda in the West. Whenever I talk to locals and try to bring up China's positive achievements under the communist party, many Westerners (but not all) just laugh at me, called me brainwashed or a communist party shill, and some even took it a step further and told me to "Go back to China if you like it there!". And that's in spite of many Westerners never actually setting foot in China and seeing what life is like here for themselves. "And forced relation in her wording was forced sex. I saw the translation, and it was verbally translated to me. I'm not going to send it to you" Forced relations is not the same as forced sex, so you've been seemingly fed the wrong translation. And Peng Shuai eventually consented to the sex (as I quoted previously) and even in the video I linked earlier, Peng Shuai denies the allegations of sexual assault. "And I never said Chinese officials can't infiltrate Reddit. When did I say that?" You said that there are ways news is spread in America where Chinese officials cannot infiltrate and since Reddit is an American platform, then you're saying Chinese officials can't infiltrate Reddit then. "But there are other platforms used that they can't access...And that's the corner of Western media you haven't combed" What's these other platforms that you claim Chinese officials haven combed? On the other hand, have you actually been onto Chinese social media websites like I previously mentioned? "And you think my intention is to stop people from traveling to China?" Because that's what you're doing by promoting falsehoods to people without any basis or any evidence, in order to feed your anti-China sentiment. And it appears from your words that you're a student? Then why do you seemingly have such a negative image of China while still in a schooling age?
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  17497.  @hanhdoan9101  "神州 Shenzhou Dr. Li wrote all the details in his Weibo. My friend in China screenshot it and translate it as well so I've seen both Western and Chinese version that says the exact same thing" So what did his Weibo account say? Again, I don't even know why we are talking about Dr. Li when the topic was about Peng Shuai. I've already shown that his initial intention was that he didn't want the information to circulate outside of his WeChat group, but since you can't name the Western Media, then I assume you can't substantiate your claim he didn't want authorities to know that he knew. You said: "The reason I didn't want to tell you is because in two weeks when there is a news story about Chinese secret police infiltrating the publication and threatening the staff." How can Chinese secret police infiltrate a Western media publication and threatening the staff? Which Western media are you talking about that has been infiltrated by Chinese secret police? I thought earlier you mentioned that there are ways news is spread in America where Chinese officials cannot infiltrate. You said: "China uses strategies as social media moderation and threats/coercion to try to control them." But earlier you said you have friends who live in China and they managed to find ways to discuss forbidden topics, so you just proven that China cannot control all 1.4 billion citizens and that people managed to find ways to circumvent this. "Poor acting implies it wasn't staged? So whenever a movie critic says an actor had poor acting in a role, it's because that actually wasn't a movie but it was real life?" Now you're talking about a movie acting, but in an ordinary awards ceremony or dinner, if someone has poor acting that implies that it wasn't staged and quite possibly the real deal. This is what I mean by you grasping at straws that's all. "And just because someone does not have a history of sexual assault in the past doesn't mean they can't actually sexually assault someone in the future." This is a circular argument. You bring up your analogy of a "suspect that has a history of violence of abuse towards his wife and one day his wife suddenly dies makes him look suspicious." then when I ask for evidence of Zhang Gaoli having a history of sexual assault, you're unable to furnish evidence (you even admitted that "they had consensual sex PREVIOUSLY." so you switch to claiming he will do it in the future. Then what's the point of bringing up your analogy? "If someone steals for the first time and hasn't stolen anything before, does that mean he isn't guilty of stealing at the present time?" According to Western law's presumption of innocence, a suspect is innocent until proven guilty in a court of law. Since you have no evidence of Zhang Gaoli's crime, nor does he have a history of sexual assault, and Peng Shuai has already said that the allegations of sexual assault are false, then you have no grounds for you case against Zhang in the first place. "Yes the video was shady and had bad lighting." Actually, Peng Shuai was trying to shade her eyes from the Sun in the video, that's why it wasn't shady in the first place. And wait, the Sun? That means Peng Shuai is out in public, so how is it shady in the first place? "You can stop sending me links and bringing up her emails to WTA now. I already told you I believe they are staged by government and I gave my reasons two comments ago, so I'm not convinced no matter how many times you bring them up" That means you're just "conclusion shopping" that's all. You ignore the mountain of evidence and links that show Peng Shuai did not make allegations of sexual assault, and she's fine and attending dinners, awards ceremonies speaking with Yao Ming in broad daylight, then you're unreasonable biased against China that's all. "And America participates in many international affairs with China and makes several global scale business deals in the food, entertainment, and professional sports industries yet they are demonizing them...got it." Why is the American media painting such a negative image of China then, if it's not demonizing China? Why do people like you seemingly have a negative impression of China then? Have you actually been to China and seen what life is like here for yourself? "And Chinese officials can infiltrate accessible American social media platforms (Reddit, Youtube, Twitter) etc but there are other platforms they can't" What platforms that they can't? "And should I tell you which platforms so you and your colleagues can attempt to infiltrate that?" Then how do you prove your previous statement that officials can't infiltrate those platforms if you can't name them? "And I have an anti-Chinese sentiment? Okay if I do, what do I receive in return for all these anti-Chinese sentiment propaganda that I supposedly doing?" Again, you promote hatred towards China among other people and this discourages them from coming to China to find out the truth. "Why does it matter if I'm in school or not? I have a brain, I can read, I can discern on my own" But you constantly ignore the mountain of links that I provided, then why at such a schooling age, do you already developed a one-sided view of events? You're clearly being biased at such a schooling age, then imagine what happens when you grow up and find out that you've been lied to all this while.
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  17504.  @hanhdoan9101  1) So regarding your first analogy of the husband with history of violence, is there evidence that the people behind the photos/videos have a history of staging photos/videos? If not then, and without evidence of the photoshoots being staged, then why are people seemingly jumping to conclusions without proof? Also, although you did not use this example for Zhang, but that doesn't mean that this analogy cannot be applied to Zhang. Given that Zhang doesn't have a history of sexual assault (like you admitted earlier, the sex was consensual) then why people jump to conclusions that he's guilty without proof? 2) "I said no, just because they agreed to mutual sex in the past doesn't mean in the future he forced her to have sex." But if you read Peng Shuai's post carefully, they agreed to mutual sex in the past, and she also consented to sex in the latest encounter. Peng Shuai wrote: "Taking into consideration the affection I had for you seven years ago, I agreed... yes, we had sex. Romantic attraction is such a complicated thing that explain it clearly. From that day on, I renewed my love for you. Throughout my time with you after that, purely based on our interactions, you were a very good person, and you treated me well." And there's the fact that Peng Shuai has come out and denied the allegations of sexual assault. She wrote an email to WTA claiming that the allegations were false (and she confirmed the English translation of her email was accurate) as seen here (video: youtu.be/ZF9Owb9uSOE?t=150 ) she said her English wasn't good enough to translate her words from Chinese into English, but the English translation was in accordance with her wishes. (But you continually ignore the mountain of links because it doesn't fit your anti-China narrative that's all) ... 3) There is also the presumption of innocence under Western law, where until a suspect is proven guilty in a court of law, he is treated innocent. Given that you repeatedly failed to produce evidence of staged photoshoots, and that the allegations are repeatedly denied by Peng Shuai, there is virtually no basis for your argument at this point, given that you can't even prove the initial allegations of sexual assault existed in the first place.
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  17513.  @hanhdoan9101  I copy your responses so that it's easier to respond to what you said. You had acknowledged that I answered your question, but now you're claiming that I didn't, then it's kinda of unfair of you that's all. About "taking half a day to answer your question" I mean, I've been answering your questions to the best of my knowledge, but I'm not into speculation, I'm not Steve Simon and can't possibly know the next step by the WTA. However, you've made absolutely no attempt to answer any of my questions, yet you want to complain about the time I take to answer? As for your "real answer" again, that's just a blatant attempt by you to shoehorn my answer into a format that suits your argument, and forcing me to fill in the blank, then why should I walk into this trap if yours? You're fixing the format of the answer and forcing me to answer only a specific part through that format. And earlier you can change the topic by bringing up Dr Li, I humoured you by answering your questions about him (even though its unrelated), then can't I bring up new topics? I mean, it's apparent that you have a very negative opinion of China, you think that Chinese officials are "infiltrating" Western media, it's this fear and paranoia of China that's fueling anti-China sentiment in the West, but why is this the case? Have you actually been to China and seen what life is like here for yourself? You have friends from China yes? Have you asked them why is it they continually return to China if life was really as bad as Western media makes it out to be?
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  17514.  @hanhdoan9101  Well, acknowledging that I answered your question (at least Part 1) and then next claiming that I didn't answer your question, doesn't look good on you, especially given the fact that you refused to answer any of my questions presented, even after I have answered yours to the best of my knowledge. Yet you want to complain about me losing credibility when you're the one changing your mind? As for being hesitant to answer in your format and filling up the blank, I've already made it clear multiple times, I'm not into speculation, I'm not Steve Simon, how would I know what the next WTA step will be? That format is clearly meant to shoehorn and force my answer into a acceptable form for your argument, then why should I walk into that trap? You said: "The whole purpose of you coming to this Youtube video was to post comments refuting the sexual assault claim and convince people of the Western's anti-Chinese propaganda." Sorry I couldn't resist copying out this text of yours. Firstly that's not my whole purpose, I do login to YouTube to watch videos (just like everyone else). Secondly, I believe that I have refuted the allegations of sexual assault in Peng Shuai's post, she actually consented to sex. Peng Shuai wrote: Taking into consideration the affection I had for you seven years ago, I agreed... yes, we had sex. Romantic attraction is such a complicated thing that explain it clearly. From that day on, I renewed my love for you. Throughout my time with you after that, purely based on our interactions, you were a very good person, and you treated me well. (full translation of Peng Shuai's post available on Reddit) Additionally, Peng Shuai herself has repeatedly denied the allegations of sexual assault. On 17 November, Peng Shuai wrote an email to Steve Simon of the WTA saying that the sexual assault was not true, and that she was not missing. She also criticized the WTA for releasing what it claimed was unverified information about Peng Shuai without her consent. Recently, Peng Shuai was interviewed by Singaporean newspaper Lianhe Zaobao and she denied the allegations again, saying in Mandarin "I have never said or written that anyone has sexually assaulted me, I have to clearly stress this point", and that there had been misunderstandings about her post on Weibo. Video:youtu.be/ZF9Owb9uSOE Thirdly and lastly, you say that I'm here to refute the allegations of sexual assault and convince people of the Western's anti-China propaganda. Then since I've completed the former, then what's your issue when I proceed with the latter in accordance with what you are saying?
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  17515.  @hanhdoan9101  According to your two definitions by Oxford Dictionary, I have fulfilled the requirements of (1): Say or write something to deal with or as a reaction to something. That's because I clearly wrote a response to your question, and therefore I have answered your question, by suddenly changing your claim to me having not answered, that only reflects badly on you, and certainly makes me less incentivized to continue answering your questions. I mean, why should I answer you question, having you acknowledged me answering it, only for you to suddenly reverse your claim and state that I didn't answer it? "And if you read carefully what I said, I said reason why you came on to this specific video regarding Peng Shuai, not Youtube in general." Well, I can say that I also came to this specific YouTube video to watch what CNN has to say about Peng Shuai, so that's already more than the two reasons you highlighted why I came to this specific YouTube video. You said: "Btw reposting the Weibo translation and interview links so that they are more recent in this comment thread or to spread the links won't help. People already know about Chinese media being staged." Actually, I referred people to Reddit (an American social media) and the interview links was by Singaporean Newspaper Lianhe Zaobao so what "Chinese media" are you referring to? How are Reddit and Singaporean newspaper media considered Chinese media? And we've already gone over the fact you have no evidence of "Chinese media being staged" even you previously admitted that you have no evidence, except for "the video looks shady" even though it's shot in bright daylight, as even Peng Shuai said. You asked: "Can you highlight whatever portion within my template is "trapping" or "shoehorning" you?" The part where you said: "I speculate they will______" Because I've made it clear that I'm not into speculation, I'm not Steve Simon so I won't know what the next step the WTA will take. The funny thing is that you said: "I tripled-checked and there is nowhere within that template that goes against what you have been advocating" but you don't even listen to me when I clearly stated multiple times that I don't want to speculate, so it's as if you never actually factored my considerations, yet you claim to have triple-checked. ... You said: "And you are more than welcome to try to convince people about Western anti-Chinese propaganda. Did I tell you to stop?" Alright then. Now that I have your permission to continue, lets start with one of your recent statements. Why did you seemingly assume that my reference to Reddit (an American media) and Lianhe Zaobao (a Singaporean Newspaper) are related to "Chinese media being staged"? They certainly aren't Chinese media, and both times, they refer to words that come from Peng Shuai's mouth (from her post, and from her interview with Singaporean reporter). In case you didn't know, Singapore is an ally of USA, the U.S Aircraft Carriers dock at Singapore's naval base in Changi on their journey to the South China Seas. So there is reason to believe Singapore's journalist interviewing Peng Shuai is not staged in China's favor. I recommend you watch the whole interview again here:youtu.be/ZF9Owb9uSOE instead of just brushing it off as "Chinese media" when it's actually Singaporean media.
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  17516.  @hanhdoan9101  "神州 Shenzhou Nope, I'm not going to take "I don't want to speculate" as an answer. I'll take it as a response but not an answer to the question I am asking." But according to the two definitions by Oxford Dictionary that you quoted, I have fulfilled the requirements of (1): 'Say or write something to deal with or as a reaction to something.' since I wrote something that's a reaction/response to your question. So according to Oxford Dictionary, I have answered your question. But why'd you acknowledge me answering your question, only to suddenly reverse the claim and state that I didn't? This reflects badly on you, and it certainly discourages me from answering any more questions, given that you can choose to change you acknowledgement of my answers as you please. You said: "And Lianhe Zaobao is a Singaporean newspaper that leans towards Beijing views so why should viewers have any reason to trust it?" Do you have evidence that Lianhe Zaobao leans towards Beijing views? Otherwise, Singapore is a U.S ally so why do you think their media is untrustworthy? You said: "Plus there is a huge population of Chinese residents in Singapore, and I'm sure many foreign agreements between Singapore and China;" Most of those Chinese residents in Singapore consider themselves Singaporeans, not Chinese nationals. And those foreign agreements between Singapore and China are trade agreements, since China is the largest trading partner of many countries in the region. But Singapore has military cooperation with USA, they allow U.S carriers to dock at their naval base, and Singapore even purchased U.S F-35 fighter jets. I mean, are you implying that just because a country has significant Chinese population that they are an enemy of the USA? Then this is the Yellow Peril (fear of Asians overrunning the West) mentality that you are exhibiting. You said: "you think just saying it's a Singaporean publication will make any impact?" Well, at least Lianhe Zaobao is certainly not Chinese media, and Singapore is a U.S ally, or at least neutral in the geopolitical conflict between U.S and China. You said: "And when I say Chinese media, I mean any piece of media released through the careful curation and moderation of the Chinese Communist Party." And Reddit is American media, not Chinese media, I specifically referred people to the translation of Peng Shuai's post on Reddit, as well as through Lianhe Zaobao, a Singapore media, so what Chinese media did I refer to? You said: "So for the template, let's take out "I speculate." " Then your phrase "I speculate they will______" becomes "They will______" and that turns the entire sentence from a speculation into something that really will happen in the future, so isn't that worst? I mean, I already stated multiple times, I'm not Steve Simon, how would I know what are the plans for the WTA and whether they will become certainty?
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  17673.  @eatmoreburgers5918  You said: "Hillary did both and in my mind that makes her not innocent." The one with the wordplay here is you. You're basically admitting that Clinton is corrupt, then why hasn't any punishment been meted out to corrupt politicians like Clinton? It clearly shows that most Americans turn a blind eye (most even forgotten about Clinton's corruption) and claiming "turns out it was nothing" is only emboldening the corrupt people in the U.S system. You said: "doesnt mean the us is nearly as corrupt as the ccp and its corporations who rob the country through insurance fraud." In China, the punishment for fraud is the death penalty, and Chinese government have executed many individuals for fraud over the years. For example: -Zeng Chengjie was convicted of illegal fund raising 3.45 billion yuan, and defrauding 57,000 investors and sentenced to death. -Luo Yaping called the "Land Ma'am" was accused of embezzling 32.39 million yuan ($5.14 million) of public funds while she was working in Fushin city in the urban planning and land use department and sentenced to death. -Song Wendai was sentenced to death for illegally obtaining shares of the company and embezzling 87 million yuan ($13.87 million) in public funds and assets including gold and silver. -A 30-year-old Chinese woman Wang Caiping was sentenced to death for cheating investors of 100.11 million yuan ($16 million). -Wu Ying aka 'Rich Sister' was sentenced to death in December 2009 by the the Jinhua Intermediate People’s Court in Zhejiang for defrauding investors of about $60.2 million. -Wang Liming, a former accounting officer at China Construction Bank in the central province of Henan, worked with others to steal 20 million yuan ($2.4 million) from the bank using fake papers -Du Yimin was convicted of illegally raising 700 million yuan ($103 million). She is said to have promised investors high returns but instead used them to buy apartments, cars and other luxury goods for herself. She was sentenced to death by an intermediate court in March 2008, and was executed in August 2009. -Si Chaxian was found guilty of raising $24 million from 300 people and promising high returns. Si was executed in August 2009 on the same day as Du Yimin. -Ying Guoquan defrauded the government of 12 million yuan, which he gave to senior executives and was sentenced to death. -Wang Yang was sentenced to death in 2003. He was accused of raising about 253 million yuan ($37 million) by promising high interest rates and then using the funds for his personal expenses. -Wang Zhendong found guilty of defrauding investors of $416 million in an ant-breeding scheme was executed in October 2008. .... So clearly, in China, the Chinese government controls the corporations for China's benefit and reins in companies including the execution of individuals for fraud, whereas in the United States, the rich U.S corporations control the U.S government for war and profit at the ordinary American's expense, getting away scot free with corruption.
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  17678.  @eatmoreburgers5918  "神州 Shenzhou lol go look up his tweets and see if they are "twisting his words."" We can't now, because Trump's Twitter account has been banned. And at least we know that his earlier tweets represent Trump's words without Western MSM twisting his words. Yet now here we have an example of the power that the rich U.S corporations have over the U.S government where they can silence the then POTUS, yet here you are acting like the U.S corporations don't control the U.S government. Haven't you heard of how the 1% control the 99% in the USA? You said: "americans actually have good reason for making an alliance against china(human right violations. south china sea and its obvious abuse of international law, constant military threats towards the country of taiwan, cultural genocide, obvious games they play with international hostages to leverage power, constant trade fits if a country wishes to investigate something in china)" China is currently at peace and not at war with any country, since our last major conflict in 1979. Instead of making war, China is building infrastructure like roads, railways, highways, bridges, tunnels, powerstations, dams, ports, airports, etc and investing in developing countries like Sri Lanka, Nepal, Bangladesh, Pakistan, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Tajikistan, and also African countries like Nigeria, Kenya, Chad, Sudan, Ghana, Mozambique, Tanzania, etc. Whereas the United States is warmonger being involved in Gulf War, Iraq War, Afghan War, Libyan War, Syrian War, Yemen War, etc, even in the 21st century. USA is bombing in those Middle Eastern countries and enacting regime change by cutting off their "heads" (Saddam Hussein, Muammar Gaddafi, etc) and then installing their own US puppet governments in place. If anything, it looks like the United States is the real threat to global peace and stability here, not China. And if you go and read Taiwan's own constitution, Taiwan claims all of mainland China (including Tibet, Xinjiang, Inner Mongolia, Manchuria, etc) as part of their territory, including territory currently under the control of Mongolia, Burma (Myanmar), Bhutan, India, Japan, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Russia and Tajikistan. Here's a map of all the territory Taiwan claims (Source:wikipedia.org/wiki/File:ROC_Administrative_and_Claims.svg ) Since there hasn't been any amendments to Taiwan's constitution, then by default, Taiwan is part of China under their own constitution.
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  17679.  @eatmoreburgers5918  "神州 Shenzhou yup just like half the peolpe in china tricked into thinking the ccp has any desire for the good of regular Chinese folk." But regular folk in China have seen our lives changed and vastly improved in the time that the Communist Party has been in power. Previously, China was once a dirt-poor, war-torn, starving country in the past, but today, China has since transformed into the world's 2nd largest economy, the world's factory (Made-In-China), having the world's 2nd largest R&D spending, protected by the world's largest land army, the People's Liberation Army, funded by the world's 2nd largest military spending. And it's all been achieved under the leadership of the Communist Party of China, despite Western anti-communist propaganda constantly denouncing China's success all along. You said: "神州 Shenzhou i already tried to explain to you how companies can escape taxes without their home gov. really able to do anything about it. And btw don't act chinese companies arent doing the literal exact same, its an issue worldwide so its dumb to accuse foreign nations of a worldwide phenomenon." China's anti-corruption campaign has not only targeted corrupt officials inside the country, but has taken measures to track those who have fled overseas. Operation Sky Net, the global hunt for corrupt Chinese fugitives, has seen positive results since it was launched in 2014. Again, this is the example of how in China, the Chinese government controls the corporations for China's benefit, instead of the corporations controlling the government like in the United States. Video: China Footprint: Operation Sky Net hunts down corrupt officials hiding overseas youtu.be/hx4p7MsM0og You said: "Western societies information thrive off of research and reporting, even if it still sometimes comes out flawed. The ccp thrives off of propaganda and censorship." But in Western countries, literally anyone can put on a journalist cap and film something, pretending that they have done research, and this results in spreading of fake news (like a second pandemic) as well as incitement to cause riots, because the media is unregulated. Whereas in China, the news is regulated to weed out the fake news so that people can't just incite riots as they please. You said: "i would trust a system that isn't beholden to anything except reporting and view number rather than a system that encourages censorship of chinese criticism and blatant propaganda any day lol" But if Chinese media is controlled by the government (for China's benefit really) then Western MSM is controlled by the corporations, Wall Street, and the U.S military-industrial complex, who make use of MSM to further their agendas at the detriment of ordinary American citizens. Western MSM is not about truthful reporting, their news are more about sensationalism than actual journalism, and any journalist who speaks out against the general Western narrative might find their jobs threatened by their corporate employers.
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  17683.  @eatmoreburgers5918  "神州 Shenzhou i just wanted you to expose yourself that you werent telling the whole truth." I was telling the truth, Taiwan clearly claims all of mainland China under their constitution, and since there hasn't been any amendments or modifications to Taiwan's constitution, then by default, Taiwan claims all of mainland China. Yet you accuse me of lying when I was simply telling the truth? You said: "The nation of Taiwan has to "claim china" in order for its safety from the CCP." Then according to your words, it clearly shows that Taiwan is being controlled by the Communist Party, since it is unable to declare independence without severe consequences from Beijing. So why are you claiming that Taiwan is a nation when it is clearly not independent? You said: "purposefully misleading people to support the face of the CCP? and in such a severe way(forcing a nation not to publicly claim sovereignty?)" Misleading? I literally shown that China has since transformed from a once dirt-poor country in the past into an economic juggernaut today under the Communist Party of China, then why can't I give credit where credit is due? And according to Taiwan's constitution, Taiwan claims all of mainland China, how am I misleading you when I'm telling you the truth? You said: "神州 Shenzhou btw suppressing a countries public claim to independance is very severe." Countries have been doing this, look at the Catalonia independence movement being suppressed by Spain. Or the California independence movement, which would require an amendment to the United States constitution. You said: "If the CCP could only actually enact any of their suppressive laws on its "territory" then it would be a "war for independance" of actual resistance and violent oppression." Then why is it Taiwan cannot join the United Nations and the World Health Organization? If Taiwan was truly independent, and the CPC couldn't controll Taiwan, then Taiwan should have joined the UN and WHO long ago as an independent country, and yet Taiwan is unable to. So doesn't this show that Taiwan not independent? You said: "神州 Shenzhou Why do you openly mislead so much? this is why the things you say should be taken with such a grain of salt and you say your not heavily nationalistic lol." Why should what I say be taken with a grain of salt? Because I express a view that differs from yours? You said: "taiwans is being diplomatically, economically, and threateningly controlled by china." Because Taiwan is part of China after all, even Taiwan's constitution says that Taiwan is part of China. There is no declaration of independence by Taiwan. You said: "nobody non-nationalistic would attribute all of a countries success to purely their gov." But the communists are the primary reason why China is so successful today, then can't I give credit where credit is due? You said: "Unless you dont know the history of your own gov? The KMT never ruled china. The CCP and the KMT joined forces to defeat the original warlord government. but they still hated eachother. Nor did the outnumber the CCP" The KMT administered Republic of China 🇹🇼 (1912-1949) but was eventually overthrown by the People's Republic of China 🇨🇳 (1945~). And during the Chinese Civil War, the communists were heavily outnumbered there were only 50 members in the beginning of 1921, compared to million army strong KMT. Yet despite all these initial advantages, the KMT still lost the mainland to a bunch of dirt-poor, ill-equipped, heavily outnumbered, starving Communist peasants and had to flee to Formosa (Taiwan). This should already demonstrate KMT's gross incompetence in their right to rule the mainland, while cementing the communists right to rule China. You said: "The KMT eventually wanted to purge the communists(mainly CCP members) by limiting the amount on gov" The KMT actually did purge 5000-10,000 communists during the Shanghai massacre of 12 April 1927 and started the whole Chinese Civil War. And when the Imperial Japanese invaded Manchuria, Chiang Kai-Shek of the KMT was unwilling to meet the invaders head-on, instead he continued killing communists (our fellow Chinese brethren) until 2 of his subordinates, Generals Zhang Xueliang and Yang Hucheng, had to kidnap Chiang in order to get him to ally with the communists against the Japanese. This incident was known as the Xi'an Incident Many young officers in the Northeast Army demanded Chiang be killed, but it was thanks to communist goodwill by Zhou Enlai and Lin Boqu, who arrived in Xi'an to negotiate for Chiang's release, which he then agreed to form a united front against the Japanese invaders. You said: "If you really believe what you are saying you need to stop sucking up whatever history the CCP gives you and actually do outside reading." I did outside reading, I read Wikiepdia: Chinese Civil War, Xi'An Incident and other articles on the Chinese Civil War, they all demonstrate that the incompetent KMT initially had massive wealth (taxed from peasants) they had superior weapons and superior numbers over the dirt-poor, ill-equipped, outnumbered, starving Communist peasants, and yet despite these initial advantages, the KMT lost the mainland to communists and had to flee to Taiwan. You said: "then they make it seem like the CCP was a bunch of outnumbered farmers with pitchforks who rose up against an incompetent gov." That's precisely what happened, the KMT despite their various initial advantages, lost the mainland to a bunch of dirt-poor communists and had to flee to Taiwan. Back then literally nobody expected the communist's victory over the KMT, yet fast forward till today and look at how far China has come under the Communist party rule? From just 50 members in 1921, the CPC today is among the world's largest political parties today at 90 million members (about the population size of Germany) whereas the KMT has shrunk to a small political party in Taiwan. You said: "I mean the CCP has the good of the CCP in mind not the people. I dont know why you make it seem like im saying the CCP can never tdo good to the people as every gov." Because that's what you said, and I quote your earlier words: "神州 Shenzhou yup just like half the peolpe in china tricked into thinking the ccp has any desire for the good of regular Chinese folk." You said: "so much of what you say is wrong. western media is more than a few media corps A. and B. they dont come in and bar you from speaking about things." I literally just linked you a video shows how rich U.S corporations control the U.S media and those 6 conglomerates own everything in American media and don't face competition from smaller firms, because the smaller firms have been long since eliminated or gobbled up. And no, American Media does bar you from speaking about certain things that do not fit the U.S corporations agenda. According to American linguist and political activist, Noam Chomsky, the U.S media operate through 5 filters: ownership, advertising, the media elite, flak and the common enemy. Video: Noam Chomsky - The 5 Filters of the Mass Media Machine youtu.be/34LGPIXvU5M This is evident in how people like me, who offer a different view to the Western narrative, readily get dismissed by you as being "wumao" just for speaking positive things about China under the communist party, it goes to show how much control American media (and by extension, the U.S corporations) has over you, that you're unaware of how much U.S corporations control the U.S government and U.S media.
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  17691. @HYUNWOO JUNG So wasn't the USA also breaking the international law by breaking into North Korea territory? The U.S forces pushed North Korea forces back past the 38th Parallel and deep into North Korean territory isn't it? They even pushed them back right up to China's doorstep with Korea in the Liaoning province, so who is the international law breaker here? Why is USA interfering in an internal civil war within Korea in the first place? Chinese troops were indeed sent after N.Korea request, because N. Korea is our ally and N. Korea aided the Chinese communists in mainland China during the Chinese Civil War, so Chinese PLA troops answered their request after all. And Korea would have been unified in the first place had the USA not first interfered in the Korean War itself. I mean, why is Korea even divided into North Korea (USSR) and South Korea (USA) in the first place? If there was no division of Korea, then there would be no need for unification. There would be no Korea War, and so many soldiers and civilians lives would have been saved. And Korean families would never have been separated and would be reunified today. Korea would have access to all available land and resources and without the U.S. crippling sanctions on N. Korea (since there is no Korean War), Korea would be an even greater Asian power today. But it isn't today. Because the USA is clearly one of the culprits behind the division of Korea. And China had nothing do with the division of Korea and the USA is clearly stymieing N. Korea's economy by slapping crippling sanctions. And worst, the Korean people are beginning to no longer see themselves as a once unified single country any more. I mean, its your country and your brother country here. Why you let your country arrive at this state?
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  17692. @HYUNWOO JUNG N. Korea killing their people? North Koreans are starving to death, because the United States slap sanctions on them and restrict their economic growth. How is N. Korea going to prosper when there are such sanctions in place? China is sending humanitarian aid in the form of food and medicine to N. Korea to help alleviate the problems, but our help is limited because of US sanctions. I mean you keep on blaming China, China, China, then what exactly is South Korea doing to help the North you tell me? It's S. Korea's own brother country that is suffering here, and China is trying to help, yet you keep on blaming China for mistakes that the Koreans are making? Who do you think you are? Why don't Koreans solve their own problems by themselves, instead of involving China and the US in their war? Who is suffering here but Koreans themselves? Like I said, which N. Korea missile can reach the US mainland you tell me? N. Korean missile technology is currently unable to reach the U.S mainland. And why would N. Korea want to start an unprovoked war with USA (which would result in N. Korea's annilation by USA and also by China) ? N. Korea is still technically at war with the USA, so why can't N. Korea keep missiles as their trump card? Did you know in 2016, it was revealed that North Korea approached the United States about conducting formal peace talks to formally end the Korean war? N. Korea want's the war to end, but USA won't let them sign a peace treaty and remove those sanctions. You've seem to show a shallow understanding of the situation on the Korean peninsula. Why don't you analyse the situation closely, instead of hurling ad hominen attacks against me?
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  17695. @HYUNWOO JUNG France and UK declared war on Germany because Germany invaded another country Poland. But North Korea is trying to reunify its divided country so that isn't an invasion of another country isn't it? Its an internal civil war within Korea and it should be fought by the Koreans themselves isn't it? I mean, imagine an alternative history, when during the American Civil War for example, the North was just about to unify with the South and form the United States of America. But before that, suddenly a foreign power (say for example, Britain) decided to declare war on the winning side and prevent America from unifying. Then America would be stuck in a state where there are 2 Americas and both claiming to be the rightful America themselves. This hypothetical scenario is exactly the case Korea is facing today. Even today, Chinese troops have clearly withdrawn from North Korea, and there are ZERO Chinese military bases in North Korea. Whereas there is still a significant US base presence in South Korea, so aren't US troops the obstacle preventing Korean reunification? As for Chinese support to North Korea, I have already mentioned many times that Chinese businesses would love to expand N. Korea's economy and promote better business ties with N. Korea, but we can't do anything when US sanctions are in place. If Japanese industry remained in the North, then its too bad USA decided to make South Korea is own. I mean, why divide Korea up in the first place? You keep saying Korea was under Chinese political interference and you don't want to return to the darker times. But frankly, pre-WWII Korea (Joseon Dynasty) was a strong power while it was a unified country, able to access both the territories of the North and the South, and to use all available resources and manpower to full effect. But look at Korea now and its a shadow of its former self. Half of your land and resources are inaccessible to you, your Northern brethren are starving because of crippling US sanctions, and the South relies on US military presence for defense while the North relies on China for trade. Look at the sad state of Korea today and do you really think the Korea of the past was dark times?
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  17773.  @bjrnhjortshjandersen1286  "神州 Shenzhou It is important to look at the reasons why the USA gave up those wars." It's because the Americans were sick of war and their U.S soldiers dying on foreign soil, so for what reason would the U.S want to involve themselves in a conflict over the Taiwan Strait? You said: "You may consider what is the attitude of the Taiwanese people....would China gain much by using force against people that do not want to become subjects to the PRC?" China would finally put an end to the Century of Humiliation, during which China was carved up like a pie (as illustrated in that infamous French cartoon) and our territories served to various Western powers. China has accepted that some pieces are no longer recoverable (i.e Vladivostok) but China has managed to regain Hong Kong and Macau. Taiwan island remains the last unclaimed piece that the mainland would spare no expense to reunify it. You said: "Remember neither the Ming nor the Qing dynasties managed to conquer the whole island." The Kuomintang were able to conquer the whole island, and since the KMT defines its state as the Republic of China then Taiwan is without a doubt part of Chinese territory. Also, Japan today has relinquished all their claims to Taiwan island, but the ROC and the PRC have not. You said: "China has associated with Russia and it is seen as being similar." China is friends to both Russia and Ukraine. China opposes conflict and is sending humanitarian aid to Ukraine, but China is also continuing business with Russia. On the other hand, it's the NATO countries that are sending lethal aid to Ukraine and prolonging the conflict. You said: "This means there is a lot of distrust towards the PRC in the world." Actually, studies shown that the countries opposing Russia account for only 36% of the world's population. Around two-thirds of people live in countries that either neutral or sympathetic to Russia. You said: "Without global trust, it will never be possible for China to become an important country in the world." China is already an important country in the world, regardless of whether you think you trust us or not. China is making the headlines in newspapers all over the world, how can you claim China will never become an important country?
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  17780.  @martinusv7433  Chinese Classical Music has a long history in China too. Ancient Music scores have existed since Warring States Period (400 BC) and are still being played using traditional Chinese musical instruments like the Guzheng 古箏 or Chinese Zither. Here is a traditional Chinese song entitled High Mountain Flowing Water 《高山流水》played on the Guzheng and this track was even featured in the Sid Meier’s Civilizations 6 video game. Video: Guzheng - High Mountain Flowing Water 高山流水 youtube.com/watch?v=ffCKlqWOewo Other Chinese instruments include the Bamboo Flute dízi 笛子 and hearing its notes being played is already reminiscence of Asian culture and its a common musical instrument in many Chinese musical pieces, both classical as well as some modern songs too. Video: Endless Love on Bamboo Flute youtube.com/watch?v=WwSoOVmO4gk&t=55 Video: Chinese Bamboo Flute - Sad Music Instrumental That Will Make You Cry | Ancient Sad And Romantic youtube.com/watch?v=qfh8oMivcIQ&t=27 Lastly, we have the Chinese instrument erhu 二胡 which has often been nicknamed Chinese Violin and produces a soulful, beautiful, almost human-like sound that has been likened to hearing a weeping lady. Many classical Chinese musical pieces have been played with this instrument, and the instrument is versatile enough to play both sad and mournful music, as well as energetic, cheerful music too. Video: Erhu - Ballad of North Henan Province 豫北叙事曲 youtube.com/watch?v=7fdFGEg-9R8&t=50
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  17781.  @martinusv7433  According to World Bank, China has lifted 700 million out of poverty in just 40 years. Just for comparison, the entire population of African continent is about 1.2 billion people. So China lifted a number equal to HALF of Africa's entire population out of poverty in decades as compared to what Westerners been doing in Africa for centuries. So why do you claim CCP isn't responsible for this? The whole of the rest of the world has only lifted a mere 150 million out of poverty in comparison. Historical Achievement: Take 700 Million People out of Poverty youtube.com/watch?v=onLbp4WMoz4 What makes you think the Chinese economy and literacy rate was so screwed up because of Mao Zedong? Before Mao Zedong came to power in 1949, China was dirt-poor, war-torn, illiterate, starving country under the previous KMT administration of China (Republic of China 1912-1949). China was divided into various provinces ruled by various individual warlords, we lost control of Tibet in 1912 and even the Japanese attacked China twice during this chaotic period. You know why China's literacy grew so rapidly? Its because China at that time was suffering from large population, high birth rate, high child malnutrition and high mortality, and there weren't enough resources, enough schools and hospitals to provide adequate healthcare. Why allow families to raise multiple kids, only for them to starve to death, or succumb to diseases in childhood? Why not focus all your resources into raising a single, healthy kid past childhood and get him into a good school? That's why China's literacy rate grew so rapidly because of the One-Child Policy. So how is the CCP not responsible for China's rise in literacy?
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  17783.  @HannarrMontannarr  About Intellectual Property, every country copies technology from one another. Where'd you think Taiwan got their high end technology then? Even the USA copied German technology and stole German patents after WWII. At the beginning of WWII, American tanks were largely inferior to German tanks, but after WWII Nazi Surrender, the Americans absorbed German Panzer (Tank) Technology and that's why American tanks are so powerful today. The Nazi Airforce (Luftwaffe) had such successful aircraft designs that America incorporated those designs into its Airforce. Even Nazi V2 Rocket Scientists were put to work by NASA on their Moon landing missions. Source: One of the greatest ripoffs of all time was the US theft of German patents after WWII wintersonnenwende.com/scriptorium/english/archives/articles/patents.html Like I said, the PRC was NOT a member of the UN during the time of the Korean War in 1950s, and PRC only became a member of UN in 1970s, so why did you wrote "Lets not forge that china attack UN forces in korea, an organisation that it was a member of,"? You already got your historical facts about Korean War all mixed up in your statement here. According to journalist Fyodor Tertitskiy, documentation from 1945 suggests the Soviet government had no plans for a permanent division of Korea, and a Soviet-US Joint Commission met in 1946 and 1947 to work towards a unified administration. In 1946, the Soviet Union proposed Lyuh Woon-hyung as the leader of a unified Korea, but this was rejected by the US. At the final meeting of the Joint Commission in September 1947, Soviet delegate Terentii Shtykov proposed that both Soviet and US troops withdraw and give the Korean people the opportunity to form their own government. This was again rejected by the US. Source: Why Soviet plans for Austria-style unification in Korea did not become a reality nknews.org/2018/08/why-russian-plans-for-austria-style-unification-in-korea-did-not-become-a-reality So isn't the USA that seemingly refused to allow Korea to unify by themselves? Isn't it the USA that rejected the idea that both Soviet and US forces withdraw and give the Korean people the opportunity to form their own government? You said "The sole responsibility of the partition is on the USSR. The border was then agreed upon internationally." The Korean partition along the 38th Parallel was drawn by on August 10, 1945 by two young American officers, Dean Rusk and Charles Bonesteel, working on extremely short notice and completely unprepared, so they used a National Geographic map to decide on the 38th parallel. No experts on Korea were consulted, so what gives the Americans the right to just unilaterally draw up lines to divide the country? The Americans didn't even consult Koreans and just drew up the lines based on two US officers suggestions? The Korean War was internal Civil War within Korea, so what give the USA the right to intervene in this internal civil war inside Korea? Korean war should be settled by Koreans themselves, yet the USA just invade Korea and pushed the North Koreans past the 38th Parallel and into North Korean territory? China only joined the Korean War because North Korea was our ally and PLA troops did not enter South Korean territory. Which battles were fought on South Korean territory by PLA troops you tell me? Also, why is it the combined might of 16 armies failed to defeat China and North Korea? The PLA were mostly poorly trained peasants, our weapons were crappy, our supply lines overextended, we lacked air support, and we only had North Korean troops for allies. You said earlier that "China outnumbered the combined UN forces by 50%." but that is only a mere 1 to 1.5 ratio so how is that a significant advantage?
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  17784.  @HannarrMontannarr Something is rather fishy in the rankings. in 2017, China was ranked 77 and India ranked 81, and suddenly in 2018, India is ranked 78 and China is 87? Also, President Xi's anti-corruption campaign began since 2012, so its not just in 2017-2018 alone that China began this anti-corruption campaign. And what anti-corruption campaign did India actually do to suddenly lower its corruption index? About China overtaking the USA, the Chinese government has put forth many 5-year plans, 10-year plans, 20-year plans, 30-year plans, etc to map out China's direction and future in 2020, 2030, 2040, 2050, etc, and to set specific goals for China to achieve. Some of these goals include (but are not limited to): -By 2020, China plans to eliminate poverty completely and establish moderately prosperous society. -By 2025, China plans to transform our manufacturing industry to incorporate high-end technology. -By 2030, China plans to be world leader in Artificial Intelligence -By 2035, China plans to be key innovative, scientific power and establish moderately socialist society. -By 2040, China plans to ban all fossil fuel powerplants and all non-electric vehicles for greener future. -By 2045, China plans to be world leading space nation, having established a space elevator. -By 2050, China plans to have surpassed the USA as global superpower, economically and militarily. Xi outlines his vision to achieve ‘China Dream’ by 2050 http://www.atimes.com/article/xi-outlines-vision-achieve-china-dream-2050/ By abolishing the presidential term limit, our leaders can remain in power long enough to see their plans for China bloom and come into fruition in the future. Whereas in USA, their leaders have to eventually step down after their term limits ends after 4-8 years, and therefore US leaders can only make short plans for USA, instead of long term plans spanning, say 10 years or more for USA. How exactly has the CCP been a disaster for China? You think ROC wasn't tyrannical as well? Before the CCP came to power, Dr. Sun Yatsen overthrew the Qing Dynasty and established Republic of China (1912-1949) and during this chaotic period, China was divided into several provinces ruled by individual warlords. Tibet broke free of ROC and even the Japanese invaded China twice during this weak period in China's history. There were numerous famines as well, such as the 1920-1921 famine, 1928–1930 famine, 1936-1937 famine, 1942–1943 famine. But under Mao Zedong, China was finally unified (which the previous KMT administration of China failed to achieve even after 37 years!) under communism in 1949, and Tibet was finally returned to China in 1951, so how is CCP a disaster for China then? If not for Mao Zedong, China today would most likely still be divided and fighting among ourselves, instead of the strong, unified country we are today. I mean, what's your beef with the CCP? You claimed so many people were killed and starved by the CCP? Then why is China the world's most populous country today if our population supposedly suffered so much? The government even needed to introduced One-Child Policy to limit our population growth. The CCP has done a marvelous job transforming China from a dirt-poor, war-torn, illiterate, starving country, into an economic juggernaut today, the world's factory, the largest land army, as well as a major political player in the world today. I mean, what makes you think ROC would have done a better job than PRC, given that ROC failed to develop China significantly even after ruling the mainland for 37 years? Where's your proof of an alternate history of China achieving our success without the CCP you tell me?
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  17835.  @jasonleetaiwan  You said: "but rather it was Mao that refused to unite China voluntarily after WW2 to join a democratic Republic which China still isn't today. " You keep on repeating this point, but where's your proof? I've pointed out that Chiang started the whole Chinese Civil War with his purging of communist members, yet you've been blaming Mao all this time for something that Chiang started? Even when the Imperial Japanese invaded Manchuria in 1931, Chiang refused to meet the invaders, instead he continued his purging of communists (our own fellow Chinese), until two of his subordinates, Generals Zhang Xueliang and Yang Hucheng had to kidnap Chiang to force him to change his policy. This incident is known as the Xi'An Incident. Source: Wikipedia: Xi'an Incident Many young officers in the Northeast Army demanded Chiang be killed, but it was actually thanks to communist goodwill by communist diplomats Zhou Enlai and Lin Boqu, who arrived in Xi'an to negotiate for Chiang's release. Only then, was Chiang willing to ally with the communists against the Japanese invaders. You said: "His place in history will be viewed as negative as soon as the PRC does not exist one day." Once again, Chairman Mao is the founding father of the People's Republic of China, and he succeeded in the herculean task of reunifying our divided country where the previous Nationalist KMT administration failed for 37 years. I mean, literally nobody expected the communists to succeed, against a bigger enemy like the KMT, yet it's clearly the communists that are in control of China today, while the KMT lost the mainland and had to flee to Taiwan. If not for Mao, China would most likely still be the weak and divided country during the Republic of China period, instead of the strong unified country we are today.
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  17836.  @jasonleetaiwan  Look, earlier you wrote (and I quote your own words): "He also divided and weakened China before WW2." and later you've also wrote: "神州 Shenzhou Yes, he divided and weakened China before and after WW2." so we are talking about the time period before and after WWII. Yet why'd you keep on accusing me of changing time periods? Also, you keep repeating "Mao divided China, Mao divided China, etc" but you have nothing to show for it. Whereas I've shown how the whole Chinese Civil War began with Chiang kai-shek's Shanghai Massacre. If anyone's "dividing China," it's clearly Chiang when he began purging communists in 1927. I've also explained how when the Imperial Japanese invaded Manchuria in 1931, Chiang refused to meet the invaders head on, instead he continued purging communists, and was eventually kidnapped by two of his Generals (in what's known as the Xi'an Incident (西安事变) and it was actually thanks to communist goodwill by Zhou Enlai and Lin Boqu who arrived in Xi'an to negotiate for Chiang's release, that the KMT and communists finally formed a united front against the Japanese invaders. If anything, it was practically the communists who unified China. Source: Wikipedia: Xi'an Incident But you keep on repeating that Mao divided and weakened China when it's actually the opposite. Chairman Mao succeeded in the herculean task of reunifying our divided homeland and proclaimed the People's Republic of China 🇨🇳 in 1949. If not for Mao, it's possible China would still be a weak and divided country as we were during the KMT adminstration of the Republic of China 🇹🇼 (1912-1949)
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  17837.  @jasonleetaiwan  You said: "Also, the CCP was planning to overthrow the KMT government by force," But the communists only had a strength of just 50 members in 1921, and the right-wing KMT still vastly outnumbered the communists so how were the CPC planning to overthrow the KMT by force? And mind you, the KMT justify their own rule over China by overthrowing the previous Qing Dynasty government, isn't it? You said: "so the Shanghai Massacre was prompted by that so Chiang was just responding to a physical threat to his government." Why the double standards here? It was clearly Chiang that divided China, when he started purging communists during the Shanghai Massacre, which started the whole Chinese Civil War, not Mao. Yet you just dismiss the purging of 5,000 - 10,000 communists as "just responding to a physical threat," without recognizing it as the reason why China is divided. Also, given the events of 1927, you think Mao Zedong will be foolish enough to trust Chiang, when he was the one purging communists? Also, you earlier mentioned KMT troops switching sides and joining the communists, then have you asked yourself "Why did those KMT troops switched sides?" If anything, it just shows that the communists were willing to accept KMT members, but Chiang kai-shek only wanted to purge communists. So who is really dividing China here? You said: "Are you being deliberately naive or do you not understand the history?" I have wrote paragraphs of my understanding of the events of the Chinese Civil War, citing various events and statistics and so on to support my argument. Whereas you just repeatedly blame Mao Zedong as "dividing and weakening China before and after WWII" without anything to support your argument. How did Mao divide and weaken China before and after WWII? If anything, Chairman Mao is the founding father of the People's Republic of China after successfully reunifying China after WWII.
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  17902.  @alexpop3883  said "Anything China will do is only good in short term." The Chinese government has put forth many 5-year plans, 10-year plans, 20-year plans, 30-year plans, etc to map out China's direction and future in 2020, 2030, 2040, 2050, etc, and to set specific goals for China to achieve. Some of these goals include (but are not limited to): -By 2020, China plans to eliminate poverty completely and establish moderately prosperous society. -By 2025, China plans to transform our manufacturing industry to incorporate high-end technology. -By 2030, China plans to be world leader in Artificial Intelligence -By 2035, China plans to be key innovative, scientific power and establish moderately socialist society. -By 2040, China plans to ban all fossil fuel powerplants and all non-electric vehicles for greener future. -By 2045, China plans to be world leading space nation, having established a space elevator. -By 2050, China plans to have surpassed the USA as global superpower, economically and militarily. Source: Xi Plans to Turn China Into a Leading Global Power by 2050 bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-10-17/xi-to-put-his-stamp-on-chinese-history-at-congress-party-opening By abolishing the presidential term limit, our leaders can remain in power long enough to see their plans for China bloom and come into fruition in the future. Whereas in USA for example, US presidents have to step down after 4-8 years when their term is over, so they can only make short-term plans for America's future, instead of long-term plans spanning, say 10 years or more, for America.
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  17979.  @Ron20042004  President Xi sent his daughter to Western university so that she can learn what Western government system and then bring her knowledge back to China. China clearly wins, because we are gaining knowledge about others and if Chinese studying in Western country get granted a job in the West (they deprive your local graduates of a job) and then rise to high government position, they can become potential future spies for recruitment by the CCP. And if they don't get a job overseas, they are always welcome come back to China (saving China the resources needed to train this student. Thanks a lot!) and bring their knowledge and technology to China. This process is called "reverse brain drain" and many Chinese graduates overseas are returning to China for a number of reasons: -President Trump’s trade war with China has certainly made many Chinese people feel less comfortable about living and working in the US. -It has also become more difficult to get a working visa for the US, thwarting many graduate students who get offers to work there but are forced to return home. -But by far the biggest attraction is homegrown opportunity. This is especially true in the tech space, where the Valley’s bright lights are being increasingly drowned out by mainland China’s tech hubs, such as Shenzen and Beijing. Source: China's reverse brain drain: Nation columnist straitstimes.com/asia/se-asia/chinas-reverse-brain-drain-nation-columnist So once again, China wins, for the above described reasons.
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  18000. Isn't modern science based upon ancient science and technology? Where would modern science be today if not for ancient science? Ancient science forms the foundation in which modern science is built upon isn't it? For example, rocket science would not be possible, if it weren't for the Chinese invention of the rocket now isn't it? Regarding Fusion Reactors, China also had our very "artificial sun" experiment at the Experimental Advanced Superconducting Tokamak (EAST) in Heifi, China, setting a new world record for longest sustained nuclear fusion reaction by superheating hydrogen to form plasma at temperatures of over 90 million degrees (approximately three times hotter than the core of the Sun) for record-breaking 102 seconds, overtaking Germany's Wendelstein 7-X experimental fusion reactor. Source:China's Experimental Fusion Reactor Hits Major Milestone popsci.com/chinas-experimental-fusion-reactor-hits-major-milestone You want me to name one thing that is being used right now and have contribution from Chinese space agency? China launched the world's first quantum satellite, Micius, and demonstrated that quantum entanglement between two states can occur at distances above the stratosphere. Quantum entanglement is when two subatomic particles share their quantum states and can influence each other's states, seemingly independent of the distance involved. One particle could be on surface on the Earth, and the other on the surface of the Moon, and still, they can affect each other through entanglement. Scientist have been testing this distance to the limits and the longest distance ever recorded for Quantum entanglement effect on Earth is 143km along the Canary Islands. However China has shown that two stations located 1200km apart (Delingha station and Lijiang station) can communicate with each other through secure transmissions by quantum satellite. Video:Quantum satellite achieves 'spooky action' at record distance youtube.com/watch?v=4QlcKuxDGrs
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  18001. Ajay Singh China has 5000 years of history and is among the world's oldest 'continuous' civilizations still alive today, whereas other great ancient civilizations like Mesopotamia, Rome and Egypt have since faded to history. Also, I have never said China invented those modern inventions, all I said was that ancient Chinese inventions helped form the bedrock for modern inventions that's all. Chinese people may not have invented the wheel, but another significant invention in human history is the gear and the oldest cogwheels in the world were found in China dating back to 4th century BCE, which have been preserved at the Luoyang Museum of Henan Province, China. I never said China wasn't part of ITER or that China invented the fusion reactor, all I said was China's very own fusion reactor made a milestone in sustaining extreme fusion reaction temperatures for a record breaking 100 over seconds. Can you imagine anyplace on Earth sustaining temperatures three times hotter than the Sun, for over a minute? That's why it's called China's "artificial sun experiment". You previously claimed China has never triumphed Japan in any field, and I proven it wrong with China's hi-speed rail. You asked me to name a contribution from Chinese space agency, and I explained how China's quantum satellite satellite help prove that quantum entanglement works at distances above the stratosphere. Why are you being so dismissive of China's achievements in space, hi-speed rail, radio telescopes, quantum satellite and experimental fusion reactors? China is ancient civilization as well as modern space nation, so why can't Chinese take pride in our achievements? Asians are just as capable of achieving equally impressive accomplishments as Westerners.
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  18010.  @MarkYeung1  So we agree that not every Hong Konger is a separatist, but there still exist some percentage of separatists living in Hong Kong, and if we do nothing, those few Hong Kong separatists can grow in power (especially with foreign funding) and cause lots of trouble in Hong Kong for the rest of the non-separatist. That's why the Hong Kong National Security Law is needed to root out the separatists, else they will get away with their activities. You said: "National security laws are important, but with that kind of mentality it will be abused by China." Do you actually have evidence that the Hong Kong National Security Law will be abused by Beijing? Otherwise, this is just your own negative speculation without proof of it happening. Just like in 2019, the Hong Kong Extradition Bill was initially proposed by Carrie Lam because of some Hong Kong guy (named Chan), who took his pregnant girlfriend to Taiwan, and then proceeded to strangle her to death, before flying back to Hong Kong alone and leaving the Taiwan authorities to find her body in the hotel. The man has since confessed to his crime, and Taiwan wanted to extradite this Hong Kong murderer to face justice for his crimes. But Hong Kong has no extradition treaty with Taiwan, that's why the Hong Kong Extradition Bill was proposed to cover up this legal loophole. But then the Hong Kong protestors caused the Extradition Bill to be scrapped, and now a Hong Kong murderer is loose and unable to be charged in Hong Kong court, because the crime occurred in Taiwan not Hong Kong.
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  18063.  @fazotakeiteasy  You said: "Another point is that the world knows that the chinese make a lot of stuff... but the products that they make are are stolen and make of knockoff versions" The same could be said of the United States over a century ago. The U.S pirated much of U.K's IP during the 19th century and American factories turned out adulterated foods and willfully mislabeled products. When Charles Dickens first stepped off the boat in Boston in 1842, he found the city's bookstores rife with pirated copies of his novels, along with those of his countrymen and was stunned by the level of literacy piracy in the USA. American manufacturers, distributors, and vendors of food began tampering with their products en masse -- bulking out supplies with cheap filler, using dangerous additives to mask spoilage or to give foodstuffs a more appealing color. Candy was found to contain arsenic and dyed with copper chloride; conniving brewers mixed extracts of "nux vomica," a tree that yields strychnine, to simulate the bitter taste of hops. Pickles contained copper sulphate, and custard powders yielded traces of lead. Sugar was blended with plaster of Paris, as was flour. Milk had been watered down, then bulked up with chalk and sheep's brains. Hundred-pound bags of coffee labeled "Fine Old Java" turned out to consist of three-fifths dried peas, one-fifth chicory, and only one-fifth coffee. ... Food, of course, was only the beginning. In the literary realm, for most of the 19th century the United States remained an outlaw in the world of international copyright. The nation's publishers merrily pirated books without permission, and without paying the authors or original publishers a dime. In one industry after another, 19th-century American producers churned out counterfeit products in remarkable quantities, slapping fake labels on locally made knockoffs of foreign ales, wines, gloves, and thread. As one expose at the time put it: "We have 'Paris hats' made in New York, 'London Gin' and 'London Porter' that never was in a ship's hold, 'Superfine French paper' made in Massachusetts." ... Source: Archive Boston: A nation of outlaws
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  18096. If you want to consider thousands of strategic targets in India, then why even bother to label them as "strategic" targets at all? "Strategic target" implies that out of a huge number, you pick a smaller and manageable number of targets and attack them tactically for maximum benefit, isn't it? In my opinion, strategic targets would be important cites like supply lines, fuel depots, munitions dumps, etc, not monuments like the Taj Mahal. Why does China need to completely destroy the target? What does that achieve? As long as the strategic site has been crippled enough to be unable to support Indian troops or contribute to Indian war machine, then the missiles have achieved their objective. Why focus on destroying a single target, when the main objective is to win the war? In actual warfare, the PLA won't just use MIRV capable missiles alone. An attack could possibly be combined with stealth fighter runs (by Chengdu J-20s for example) or it could be used to soften up the target before a ground attack by Type-99 tanks and infantry. Afterall, the MIRV capabilities of the DF-21 is just one of the many military options that the PLA can choose to deploy during war that's all. Just like China's anti-satellite missiles can always be deployed to take out Indian military satellites in orbit, to put Indian Navy ships and ground troops at a disadvantage without satellite support from above. All these technological implements are designed to give China an edge over India during such a war scenario. As for China's "Carrier Killer" DF-21D, there are ways of locating Indian ships in Indian Ocean, such as using Over-the-Horizon Radars. Chinese military satellites in space may be able to spot the ships, or PLAN submarines in the Indian Ocean could reveal the ships locations to the missile launchers on land.
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  18097. If India mistook China's long range ballistic missile as nuclear attack, and launched a full scale nuclear retaliation, then it would be India's grave mistake to have launched a preemptive nuclear attack on China without first having been attacked by nuclear weapons from China. It would be India's fault for not first confirming that the attacks weren't made using nuclear weapons. As far as I know, Indian ATAGS are not yet in full operation. it was started in 2013 by DRDO to replace older guns in service, and took 4 years of development, yet ATAGS are still not operational in Indian Army, even in 2018. As for China, the PLA conducted live-fire exercises in Tibet using mobile artillery, howitzers, multi-launch systems, mortars, etc. according to the following video. Video:Chinese Army carries out military exercise on Tibet plateau youtube.com/watch?v=a8bNgIckr10 The Chengdu J-20 was inducted into PLA Airforce operational service in March 2017, and Chinese sources indicate about 30-40 of the fighters have been built. But of course, any military won't just give away the actual numbers of its military aircraft just like that. If you want to claim the DF-21D "Carrier Killer" is unproven, then why you just claim PAD anti ballastic missile can be modified for anti-satellite role just like that? Has your supposed Indian "anti-satellite" missile even been tested at all, like China's anti-satellite missile? Otherwise, how can you just claim India can modify its missile to be anti-satellite, without actual tests? China's testing of DF-21 has been observed and noted by military agencies of Russia and USA, so isn't there reason to believe this weapon poses a significant threat? OTH is just one of China's possibility to acquire targets, and China can always use submarines to help pinpoint the actual location of ships in Indian Ocean. PLA Navy also deployed many underwater sea drones (across South China Sea) so why can't these drones be deployed in Indian Ocean too? Speaking of drones, in mountainous combat scenario, the PLA can deploy aerial units like our very own combat UAVs, like the CaiHong-5, which has been compared to to USA's Reaper combat drone. During testing, the drone flew for about 30 hours, providing surveillance and carried missiles to engage targets, requiring little or no ground support. But India recently crashed its own Israeli-made drone in 2017 after violating Chinese airspace.
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  18098. How is it a mistake on China's part, if India is the one retaliating with full scale nuclear attack? If India mistook China's long range ballistic missile as a nuclear attack, and retaliated with nukes of their own, then straightaway, India is the one preemptively launching nuclear attack on China. If other artillery systems are under acquisition by India, that means its not available for military deployment yet isn't it? And what happens if during actual wartime, the Indian army is cut off from acquiring this equipment? In China's case, we can always make more tanks, fighters, artillery guns, ammunition, drones, etc ourselves to replace losses during wartime. Chinese submarines are still present in Indian Ocean, despite all those difficulties you claim they will encounter. If you think countries won't allow Chinese submarines movement for combat role, then likewise they won't allow Indian warships movement for combat role as well isn't it? You are just speculating about PAD being Indian ASAT, then that means there is no guarantee that India's ASAT will be successful. Also, you claim India and USA will share satellites, but what makes you so sure? Is there an actual written agreement showing that USA will share its sensitive military satellite data with India? As for your sources about J-20 production, how do you know the actual numbers of China's Chengdu J-20, unless you are the actual PLA Airforce general yourself? And what makes you think J-20 are incapable of flying over the Himalayas? The J-20 stealth fighter has been spotted at Daocheng Yading in Tibet, the highest civilian airport in the world after all. Although the CH-5 has not entered service yet, earlier versions like the CH-4 are active and have been exported to Egypt, Saudi Arabia and Iraq. CH-4 is capable of firing air-to-ground missile from altitude of 5,000 meters, therefore the aircraft can stay outside of effective range of most anti-aircraft guns. It also allow CH-4 to be able to fire from a position that provides wider viewing area. Chinese submarines remain the best option for scouting out Indian warships to be targeted by DF-21. China has also been developing a new submarine-launched anti-ship cruise missile, with range of about 290 km, which would put Chinese submarines at a safe distance from most anti-submarine warfare systems. Source:China Unveils New Submarine-Launched Anti-Ship Cruise Missile thediplomat.com/2016/04/china-unveils-new-submarine-launched-anti-ship-cruise-missile/ If you claim DF-21 has not been tested against a moving target, then I can also say India' PAD being modified to become ASAT weapon has not been tested at all too. Would you prefer Indian warships to be the DF-21D's first target? The DF-21 has undergone extensive testing outside of any combat situation to get to where it is today, wheres India's ASAT capabilities have not progressed at all.
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  18099. If India mistook China's DF-41 for a nuclear attack, then again, it is India's grave mistake, not China. Look at North Korea has been testing missiles (some of them flying over Japanese mainland) but nobody every mistook that as a nuclear attack and retaliate with full scale nuclear assault on N. Korea. China has demonstrated anti-satellite capabilities in 2007, and India has not yet, so why do you think China won't take out Indian Army satellites in space? If you are quoting the militarization of space treaty, then the treaty does not prohibit the placement of conventional weapons in orbit and thus some highly destructive attack strategies such as kinetic bombardment are still potentially allowable. If its a real war between China and India, I see no reason why China is not allowed to destroy Indian military satellites in space. Its impossible to know the exact figure of how many Chengdu J-20 are present in PLA Airforce, unless you are the PLA General himself. Also, J-20 is not just been conceived in a single year, it has already been in the works for many years, and since it is being prep to enter actual service, it could be possible that multiple aircraft were in production years before the J-20 being deployed into active service. Who knows except for the commander of PLA? Also, wasn't a J-20 spotted in Tibetan airport, indicating that the aircraft is at least capable of flying over Tibet to the Himalayas? China has advanced artillery of our own. China's PLZ-05 self propelled howitzer ranks among the Top 10 Howitzers in the world, together with PLZ-52 (which is export version). China's Multi Launch Rocket Systems (MLRS) are also consistently among the world's Top 10, such as SR-5, AR-3 and WS-2D, as shown in the following videos. In my personal opinion, I would say China's level of artillery support is possibly more advanced than India's. Video:Top 10 Self Propelled Howitzer in the World 2017 youtube.com/watch?v=AQBcIRwg2fg Video:Top 10 MLRS In The World 2017 youtube.com/watch?v=66ETMGNrh98 You appear to underestimate the stealth capabilities of Chinese submarines, which have been moving undetected and spreading out all over the world's seas and oceans. Back in 2007, a Chinese submarine surfaced while in a middle of a US Navy exercise, involving the US carrier, USS Kitty Hawk. Apparently, the Chinese submarine was undetected, and managed to surface within torpedo range of the aircraft carrier. But if Chinese submarines have anti-ship cruise missiles like shown in my previous source, then there will be no need to come so close to the aircraft carrier before opening fire.
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  18100. +Kunal Varshney North Korean missiles have flown over Japanese airspace before, but it has not been retaliated with full scale nuclear attack, so why do you still claim China's long range ballistic missile with be mistaken for nuclear attack by India? I mean, isn't this your own speculation on India's part? How can you prove India will mistake China's long range missile launch as nuclear attack and retaliate with nukes of its own? If China is at war with India, why would China not consider deploying anti satellite missiles? The benefit to China are many, and under the militarization of space, nuclear weapons are prohibited, but not conventional weapons. The PLA Airforce would not have pressed J-20 into service, if there isn't any significant numbers of it to be fielded during actual war. Otherwise, why press the J-20 into service if it isn't ready for actual deployment yet? The J-20 is also capable of landing on Tibetan airport, so why do you claim that it can't fly over Himalayas? So if you claim Chinese submarines need permission to pass through South East Asia straits, then won't Indian warships need permission to be there as well? And why do you think there is only one route through to Indian ocean? Brahmos missile is unable to target submerged submarines, so how much of a threat is it at all to Chinese submarines? Our subs can also be equipped with anti ship cruise missiles that can be launched while being safely out of range of many anti-submarine weapons. The thing about artillery, armor and other military hardware is that during wartime, China can always make more tanks, howitzers, fighters, drones, ammunition and equipment to replace losses. But India has to import weapons and ammunition from foreign countries like USA and Russia. If these countries suddenly decide to raise prices of their wares, India still has no choice but to buy their weapons from them.
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  18101. MickeyG Shooting down satellites in space is exceedingly difficult yes, which is why only three countries have achieved it thus far. But it is not altogether impossible, as demonstrated by China, Soviet Union and USA. Whether Indian Army relies on it or not, taking out Indian military satellites in space will deny them strategic satellite surveillance from the ground. During war, China will make use of such options if the benefits outweigh the costs. As for taking out Indian carriers, it offers strategic value in numerous ways. It boosts Chinese morale, while lowering India's, it shows that China's anti ship missile are effective, but if it fails, then it provides valuable data for Chinese military to improve on its design. Like the other guy said, the DF-21d has never been tested on a moving target, so won't this be an excellent opportunity to test it? If the DF-21 really lives up to its name, then it will also send a strong signal to other countries with aircraft carriers of their own, like USA, telling them that China is capable of targeting their aircraft carriers. Even if Indian aircraft carriers keep away from the shores, I have shown that Chinese submarines have submarine launched anti ship cruise missiles that could pose a threat to US carriers. Now instead of Taj Mahal, you are talking about Mumbai? Why not aim for real strategic targets like supply lines, fuel depots and ammunition dumps instead? Just like why do you bother calling it strategic sites when you considered thousands of sites earlier? Exactly how is it being strategic when you are considering thousands of sites as tactical targets?
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  18102. +Kunal Varshney Why is comparing NK with case of China laughable? Didn't Akin Khoo mentioned earlier that NK is technically still at war with the Allies? If India mistook China's long range ballistic missile as a nuclear attack, and retaliates with full scale nuclear assault, then it would be Indian's grave mistake to have attacked a country with nukes, without being attacked with it first, isn't it? I mean, its India's own fault for not noticing that it wasn't a nuclear assault, isn't it? About Chengdu J-20, you mentioned earlier that "producing 30 fighters in a 1st year is impossible...china have not yet set enough facilities for that...wait i will quote you articles regarding that..." and it has been sometime, yet you still haven't quoted me articles regarding that. Yet you now want me to provide source on J-20, when you haven't quoted me sources like you said you would? If you claim J-20 can't fly over Himalayas, then why was the J-20 photographed at Daocheng Yading airport in Tibet, which is the world's highest altitude civilian airport then? I am talking about Indian warships in the straits, not in South China Sea. They also will need permission from those countries if they want to be there to intercept Chinese submarines, isn't it? Why you think Chinese submarines (which are stealthily submerged) will need permission, when it is the clearly visible Indian warships located in the straits that will attract attention here? You think this video alone is enough to justify all entry routes? There is the 3rd option which longer and require more supplies, but China also has a submarine base in Djibouti to resupply Chinese submarines making the long trip. There are even plans to build another submarine base near Gwadar Port in Pakistan too. India may be able to import advanced weaponry from Russia and USA, but they will be subject to market prices, and the deliveries may take time to reach India. Also, India is unable to produce important components of some of its heavier military equipment. And the Indian ASAT capabilities have not been realized yet so far. And how can you prove that USA will be willing to share its sensitive military satellite data with India? Is there a written agreement stating that USA is willing to share satellite data with Indian military?
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  18103. +Kunal Varshney North Korea launched a missile directly at Japanese mainland, and you still want to ask what China will do if India launches Agni V towards China? Did North Korea get retaliated by full scale nuclear weapons? No it didn't, so why assume China will react like India and retaliate with full scale nuclear weapon? Why you assume India will retaliate with full scale nuclear weapon then? This point is brought up by you, so why don't you prove it yourself first that India will retaliate with nukes? The engine problems have largely been solved with the development of WS-15 engines, and the J-20 is still able to climb to Tibetan airport. As for production Here is a Chinese news article indicating that 15 new models have emerged. The sensitive nature of stealthfighters means that the PLA will not tell the public how many of such aircraft are at the PLA Airforce disposal. Source:mil.news.sina.com.cn/jssd/2017-06-14/doc-ifyfzfyz3941865.shtml India owns the water outside the strait? How exactly? You still need permission from those South East Asia countries if you want Indian warships to pass close to their waters. The Nicobar and Andaman Islands are wide, and Chinese subs have greater chance of sneaking through. Also, I did mention that China has submarine base located in Djibouti, so how many more are hidden throughout the oceans to resupply submarines passing through to the Indian Ocean? Its your opinion that you believe in your submarine detection capabilities. Then I should also be able to believe in the stealthiness of Chinese submarines, since they have been demonstrated to be able to surface in the middle of US Navy exercise (seemingly undetected) and within torpedo range of the USS Kitty Hawk aircraft carrier. You mean you can just discount a war of attrition between India and China and claim that it is out of this debate? Besides basic fighting equipment and advanced weaponry, China will most definitely deploy aerial units in mountainous combat scenario, such as our combat UAVs like CaiHong-3 and Caihong-4 (perhaps CaiHong-5 as well). These UAVs are unmanned, and even if destroyed there is no lost of Chinese lives in their destruction, so PLA soldiers can continue to enjoy our numerical advantage in the battle field. About ASAT, as far as I know, US and India did not sign any agreement regarding sharing satellite intelligence. Even if India agrees, will USA agree to share its satellite information with India, since India is also Russian ally as well? China not only has short range missiles, but missiles like DF-21 can also be deployed for land use. The DF-21 flies high above the stratosphere and has guidance system to help avoid anti-missile defenses and adjust its course. During reentry, the DF-21 is capable of achieving hypersonic speeds of up to Mach 10 or 10 times the speed of sound, in order to hit a target. Video:China DF-21D Anti-Ship Ballistic Missile youtube.com/watch?v=p-cEunmqXM8
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  18105. Kunal Varshney You ask others to go ask experts, but are you even an expert yourself? Then how can you claim India will retaliate with full blown nuclear weapons, just because China launch long range missile? The North Korea is a recognized nuclear state, so what makes you think they are incapable of deploying nuclear warheads? NK is also still technically at war with South Korea and USA because no peace treaty has been signed. What makes you think Japan and NK don't have any previous history of war? During WW1 and WW2 period, Korea was under Japanese occupation for 35 years yet you still claim they have have no previous history of war? When did I "start claiming since japan didnt intercept NK missiles why india will try to intercept chinese missile" I never said anything about India trying to intercept Chinese missiles or not, all I am saying is whether India will retaliate with full blown nukes if China launches long range missile. You asked me earlier that "if india launches agni 5 towards china..will china assume it to be nuclear armed or conventionally armed" and I answered it by saying NK was not retaliated by nukes, even after launching a long range missile at Japan. I mean, this whole point is brought up by you, isn't it? So why don't you prove it yourself first that India will retaliate with nukes? I have already described a real scenario in which a long range missile launched into foreign airspace, did not trigger a nuclear retaliation. The burden of proof lies on you here to prove India will retaliate with nukes.
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  18106. Ashutosh Kumar Why are you certain that long range missiles won't be used? Even North Korea clearly launched a long range missile reaching Japanese islands, so what makes you think China won't do the same? Even if no warheads are deployed, launching long range missile will help test its range and its ability to reach targets isn't it? I have demonstrated that China has plenty of other assets besides ICBM. China has DF-21D "Carrier Killer" which can be used to target warships at sea, from the safety of the land. If it does manage to sink a carrier, it will be a tremendous morale boost for PLA, (and lower Indian morale) and it will also send a message to US carriers that China's DF-21D works. Even if it fails, it will provide valuable data for us to improve our missile capabilities. China also has numerous submarines that can help spot and paint targets for DF-21 deployment. Chinese submarines also can be equipped with submarine-launched anti-ship cruise missile, possibly posing a danger to US carrier strike groups, while putting Chinese submarines at a safe distance from most anti-submarine warfare systems. In mountainous combat scenario, China can deploy aerial units like our very own domestically made combat UAVs, such as Caihong-3, Caihong-4 and possibly even Caihong-5. The drones will provide valuable reconnaissance and are slightly more difficult to detect on radar, while being capable of equipping and firing air-to-ground missiles to engage targets. Even if they are destroyed, no PLA soldiers lives are lost, and it frees up the PLA soldiers to perform other urgent tasks elsewhere. Did I already mention that China has anti-satellite capabilities, and can theoretically take out Indian military satellites in space to put Indian ground troops at disadvantage without satellite comms and coordination? There is a possibility of a draw yes, but even in this simulation, China still has a marginal victory, due to many factors that I have provided recently. Even if its a draw, it will boost PLA's combat experience as well as act as a testing bed for all the new technologies. But in my opinion it is unlikely to be draw, and even the simulation agrees that China will have acquired some new territory.
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  18117. 1990. The Economist: China's economy has come to a halt. 1996. The Economist: China's economy will face hard landing. 1998. The Economist: China's economy entering a dangerous period of sluggish growth. 1999. Bank of Canada: Likelihood of a hard landing for the Chinese economy. 2000. Chicago Tribune: China currency move nails hard landing risk coffin. 2001. Wilbanks, Smith & Thomas: A hard landing in China. 2002. Westchester University: China Anxiously Seeks A Soft Economic landing. 2003. KWR International: How to find a soft landing if China.. 2004. The Economist: The great fall of China? 2005. Nouriel Roubini: The Risk of a Hard Landing in China. 2006. International Economy: Can China Achieve a Soft Landing? 2007. TIME: Is China's Economy Overheating? Can China avoid a hard landing? 2008. Forbes: Hard Landing in China? 2009. Fortune: China's hard landing. China must find a way to recover. 2010. Nouriel Roubini: Hard landing coming in China. 2011. Business Insider: A Chinese Hard Landing May Be Closer Than You Think. 2012. American Interest: Dismal Economic News from China: A Hard Landing. 2013. Zero Hedge: A Hard Landing in China. 2014. CNBC: A hard landing in China. 2015. Forbes: Congratulations, You got Yourself A Chinese Hard Landing.... 2016. The Economist: Hard Landing looms for China. 2017. National Interest: Is China's Economy Going To Crash? 2018. The Daily Reckoning: China's Coming Financial Meltdown. 2019. Zero Hedge: Seven Reasons Why China Is Facing A Hard Landing In 2019 2020. Forbes: Remember The Chia 'Hard Landing'? We Got One. ... Yet it's already 2024 and China's economy is still going strong.
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  18210.  @pedrosanchez455  Those half a million US-deported illegal immigrant parents from their kids don't have a choice which school their kids attend too. China is an atheist country, so why can't we promote atheism among our kids? Look at Muslim countries like Saudi Arabia and they promote Islam in their schools isn't it? Women aren't allowed to drive in Saudi Arabia, and women must be escorted at all times by a male relative or family member while in public, but these are Saudi Arabia's rules isn't it? Look at Indonesia, world's largest Muslim population country and Suharto banned expressions of Chinese culture through language, religion, and traditional festivals and the ethnic Chinese were pressured to adopt Indonesian-sounding names. But since it's Indonesian law, then Chinese have to obey isn't it? So why can't Chinese government give these Uighurs (who are Chinese citizens) a proper Chinese education, learning Mandarin Chinese, Chinese characters and promoting atheism in our schools as well? And those Uighur parents don't educate their children, they just stay home all day and read the Koran, that's why some of them become radicalised and flock to join the terrorists in the Middle East and kill people. China is helping to do the world a favor by preventing Muslim extremism from developing among the Uighurs, whereas in the the West, it is estimated that around 4,000 people have left their homes in the West to migrate to ISIS. Why West allow those 4,000 people to join terrorism you tell me?
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  18229.  @christt6809  You asked: "Also what make you believe they are that great of a leader? Do they realy work for the good a the nation?" President Xi Jinping has shown to be competent and able to guide China through the pandemic and still deliver economic growth to China (the only country to experience positive economic growth in 2020) then why can't China leave President Xi in power to continue governing our country? President Xi Jinping has at least 40 years of political experience and that's why many Chinese feel that he's qualified to lead the country. Whereas the former U.S President Trump has had zero political experience before he became president, yet the majority of Americans voted for Trump as president in 2016? Then why allowed ordinary people to participate in political decision-making when it will impact the country's future? China has found a political system that works for our country, then is there any reason why we should abandon our political system and adopt Western brand of democracy? Because Westerners say so? "They are so many crackdown on corruption that as become a way to eliminate political opponent." Corruption is a universal phenomena and every country suffers from corruption to a certain degree. But at least under President Xi Jinping, there are ongoing anti-corruption campaigns to deal with the mountain of corruption inherent within the communist party. Whether political opponent or not, if the opposition is corrupted, then why can't they get rid of the corrupted opposition? But when is the last time a country like USA had anti-corruption campaign of its own? Hillary Clinton is corrupt politician and Donald Trump promised to jail her during his Presidential campaign, but after he became president, no further action been taken against Clinton for corruption. "And you believe you should only look at the show and accept the result?" It's not just show, people in China's lives have greatly improved. Over 800 million people in China have been lifted out of poverty and into the middle class, and President Xi's corruption crackdown has removed many corrupt high ranking officials as well as smaller corrupted officials (we call them tigers and flies) and the ordinary people have felt the impact of less corruption in the government. So how is it only for show?
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  18232.  @christt6809  "Emotion for exemple, are the miror of our desire. Even emotional decision has a part of logic." What people desire may not necessarily be the best thing for themselves. Anti-Maskers, anti-vaxxers and people protesting lockdowns are putting their emotions over logic, and like my earlier example, the British voted to leave the EU, primarily because many British don't like immigrants. And if your country has a huge population with low literacy rates (i.e India) it becomes even harder to control when majority of your voters vote on emotions. "Spontaneity reveal truth that deep thinking sometime just can't." That does happen, but how often does it happen? It's a rare occurrence, almost akin to gambling. Choosing one's leaders concerns the future of the country and so much is as stake, then why leave it up to spontaneity? It makes no sense. "Consider the diversity of profession, life experience, religion, race, belief, occupation, etc..." The Communist Party of China is perhaps, one of the world's largest political parties at over 90 million members (about the population size of Germany) and it's membership is extremely diverse. Farmers, herdsmen and fishermen make up 26 million members; members identifying as workers totalled 7.2 million. Managers, professional and technical staff in enterprises and public institutions made up 12.5 million, 9 million identified as working in administrative staff and 7.4 million described themselves as party cadres. It's this diversity that reflects a microcosm of China, but the difference is that these people are communist party members that are politically qualified to make decisions regarding the country's future.
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  18234.  @christt6809  You said: "Look how they let the housing bubble grow up during many years, despite many economist advice." Westerners have long been predicting China's economic downfall. Here's a compiled list: 1990. The Economist: China's economy has come to a halt. 1996. The Economist: China's economy will face hard landing. 1998. The Economist: China's economy entering a dangerous period of sluggish growth. 1999. Bank of Canada: Likelihood of a hard landing for the Chinese economy. 2000. Chicago Tribune: China currency move nails hard landing risk coffin. 2001. Wilbanks, Smith & Thomas: A hard landing in China. 2002. Westchester University: China Anxiously Seeks A Soft Economic landing. 2003. KWR International: How to find a soft landing if China.. 2004. The Economist: The great fall of China? 2005. Nouriel Roubini: The Risk of a Hard Landing in China. 2006. International Economy: Can China Achieve a Soft Landing? 2007. TIME: Is China's Economy Overheating? Can China avoid a hard landing? 2008. Forbes: Hard Landing in China? 2009. Fortune: China's hard landing. China must find a way to recover. 2010. Nouriel Roubini: Hard landing coming in China. 2011. Business Insider: A Chinese Hard Landing May Be Closer Than You Think. 2012. American Interest: Dismal Economic News from China: A Hard Landing. 2013. Zero Hedge: A Hard Landing in China. 2014. CNBC: A hard landing in China. 2015. Forbes: Congratulations, You got Yourself A Chinese Hard Landing.... 2016. The Economist: Hard Landing looms for China. 2017. National Interest: Is China's Economy Going To Crash? 2018. The Daily Reckoning: China's Coming Financial Meltdown. 2019. Zero Hedge: Seven Reasons Why China Is Facing A Hard Landing In 2019 2020. Forbes: Remember The China 'Hard Landing'? We Got One. ... But its already 2021, and China's economy is still going strong. So why continue to believe China's economy will fall, given that Western economist predictions about China's collapse been proven consistently wrong for 30 years already?
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  18237.  @christt6809  Those parties can offer advise to the Communist Party of China on policies, they are there to help guide the CPC. And since such a system clearly works for China, then is there really a need to abandon our political system and adopt Western brand of democracy? Look at India, the world's largest Western style democracy with 1.3 billion people and why hasn't India surpassed China? "If that system work, how do you explain a 90% approuval of the top leadership but only 11% of the local one, since the local is under the leadership of the top one?" Local provincial governments have the autonomy to run their own provinces and the central government in Beijing doesn't interfere with the local policies. However, if a local government has shown to be incompetent, then the higher-ups might step in and take over leadership of the local region. For example, during the outbreak in Wuhan, some Wuhan provincial government officials were found to be incompetent and fired from their posts and replaced by central government officials and the situation in Wuhan improved after that. But compare this system in China to the United States. Several local governors in the United States performed poorly in their handling of Covid19, and yet nobody is fired for their negligence in leading to USA topping the world in number of Covid19 deaths, shouldn't this sound off alarm bells that something is wrong with the system? And yet you seemingly expect China to abandon our system (that clearly works for China) and to adopt a Western brand of democracy?
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  18238.  @christt6809  Previously, while Tibet was under Dalai Lama rule, Tibet was a brutal theocracy, where 95% of the population were slaves and the remaining 5% elites were slave owners. Tibetan mountainous soil is infertile, rainfall is scarce in the Himalayas, so the slaves had to work hard to feed the Tibetan population. Starvation was commonplace and theft of food was punished by torture, amputation and even skinning. There's this Tibetan drum called damaru that's made from human skulls, a drumskin made of human skin and drumstick made of human bone. The Dalai Lama was overly worshipped and his followers fought for the right to consume his saliva, his urine and even his feces, because he was considered a divine vessel. After Tibet returned back to China, Chinese workers began rapidly modernising Tibet, building roads, railways, streetlamps, running water, gas and electricity as well as introducing modern amenities like cars, computers, telephone cables, smartphones, the Internet, WiFi, online shopping (from Taobao) and so on. Under CPC, the first Tibetan colleges opened in Lhasa, offering degrees in both Tibetan and Mandarin Chinese languages. Hydroelectric powerstations were built by Chinese to supply Tibetan homes with electricity. Chinese workers built the Qinghai-Lhasa railway (world's highest elevation railway) through dangerous mountainous terrain and low oxygen environments, to connect the normally isolated Tibet with the rest of the world. Tibet can now import food from the mainland to feed its population, and Tibet's population has tripled from 1 million in 1950s to over 3 million people today. A thriving tourist industry has even sprung up in Tibet.
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  18248.  @OriginalPiMan  "神州 Shenzhou The style of government is not well correlated with the economic strength of the country, so the fact that India is a democracy is irrelevant." Taiwan had been under authoritarian single-party KMT rule for more than half its life. For decades the KMT ruled Taiwan with iron fist and Chiang kai-shek was a dictator who jailed and executed dissidents and political rivals (whether real or perceived) in a period known as White Terror (白色恐怖) and imposed martial law on Taiwan for more than 38 years, which was qualified as "the longest imposition of martial law by a regime anywhere in the world" at that time. Even John Oliver mentions this at 6:20 mark of the video. But under authoritarian single-party KMT rule, Taiwan actually flourished and prospered, in what's known as the Taiwan Miracle (台湾奇迹). Between 1952 – 1982, Taiwan's economic growth was on average 8.7%, and between 1983 – 1986 at 6.9%. Taiwan GDP grew by 360% between 1965 – 1986. The percentage of global exports was over 2% in 1986, over other recently industrialized countries, and the global industrial production output grew a further 680% between 1965 – 1986. And its all been achieved under KMT leadership. Only in the late 1990s, when democracy was introduced (because USA threatened to cut off weapons sales to Taiwan) did Taiwan's economic growth became more modest. Since then, Taiwan's economy has stagnated, wages are stagnant, cost of living is rising, unemployment is rising and Taiwan graduates are increasingly seeking jobs abroad, such as in Singapore or mainland China.
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  18250.  @OriginalPiMan  "神州 Shenzhou You continue to be deliberately obtuse about their desire for independence." Again, how am I obtuse? The status quo according to Taiwan's constitution is that Taiwan is part of China, even you admitted that not amending their constitution is (and I quote your word) "aligned with the status quo desire of the vast majority of the population." You keep saying that the lived reality is that they are independent, then why Taiwan cannot join the UN like an independent country can? My arguments are well grounded in reality, whereas yours are speculation, that "Taiwan would declare independence as quick as feasibly possible (currently requiring a referendum, that would easily pass)" But only a minority of people in Taiwan want independence (5.6%) whereas the majority of the people of Taiwan want the status quo to continue. You brought up "60% of the elected legislature have policies of wanting independence eventually" but those are policies, not the referendum which you claim is required, so how is it not speculation? Another thing to I noted from you, is that whenever I bring up China's success, you attribute it to China also having the world's largest population. But India has the world's 2nd largest population, yet why India's economy nearly as successful as China, if it's population size that determines economic size? And when you started comparing GDP Per Capita, I've remarked that if you divide our GDP by our enormous population, you'll arrive at a per capita that's obviously less than Taiwan island. But suddenly, you just dismiss size as not a significant factor. It's like you have double standards, you claim China's success is because of population size (then why India doesn't hold up?) and yet you claim size is not a significant factor when it comes to comparing GDP per capita for China.
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  18252.  @OriginalPiMan  "神州 Shenzhou Taiwan can't join international organisations because one much larger country has the ability to prevent it..." Congratulations, you've just confirmed that Taiwan really isn't independent after all, since Taiwan cannot join the UN and there's a force preventing Taiwan from doing so. You see, this is what I mean by making an argument grounded in facts, yet why have you accused me (twice) of being obtuse? Even you admitted earlier that not declaring independence is (and I quote your words) "aligned with the status quo desire of the vast majority of the population." since the status quo according to Taiwan's constitution is that Taiwan is part of China. The speculative part is when you claimed "Taiwan would declare independence as quick as feasibly possible (currently requiring a referendum, that would easily pass)" even when the polls indicate only a minority of the people of Taiwan want independence (5.6%). Even when you said 60% of the elected legislature have policies of wanting independence eventually, but it all boils down to the requirement of referendum like you said, not whether the elective legislature have policies of wanting independence or not. Also, why is it you can attribute China's economic size to our population size (which according to your logic, India should be around the same economic size as China due to their world's 2nd largest population). However, when I bring up population size as the reason why our GDP per capita is lower than Taiwan island, you seemingly dismiss it as not significant?
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  18259.  @OriginalPiMan  "神州 Shenzhou @神州 Shenzhou With or without the north western portion of the line, the line is completely spurious," I assume you're talking about North and South Korea. The point is that the two Koreas are recognized as independent countries in the UN (so is Ukraine) and the People's Republic of China is recognized as holding China's seat in the UN, while Taiwan isn't recognized in the UN. "Taiwan has no de jure embassies, but more than a handful of defacto embassies." Those countries that have so-called "embassies" don't even recognize Taiwan as independent, they recognize Taiwan as part of China. For example, since the 1972 Shanghai Communique, the United States recognize the One China Policy that Taiwan is part of China. According to The Diplomat explanation of Shanghai Communique: On February 28, we celebrate the 45th anniversary of the Shanghai Communique. The 1972 agreement, brokered by Secretary of State Henry Kissinger and Chinese Premier Zhou Enlai, ended 23 years of diplomatic estrangement between the United States and China, and laid the foundation for a peaceful and prosperous Asia... The Communique was based on America’s acknowledgement that Chinese on both sides of the Taiwan Strait agree there is one China, that Taiwan is a part of China, and that the United States does not challenge that position. "And Hong Kong is not independent." Neither is Taiwan, we've already gone through how Taiwan cannot join the UN like an independent country can. Hong Kong is there to show that others can have all those things like separate government, separate currency, passport, but they still aren't independent, they are part of China like Taiwan is. "no one can be a politician in Hong Kong without approval from Beijing," That's in accordance with Hong Kong Basic Law Article 45 (香港基本法第四十五條) which states that: "The Chief Executive of the Hong Kong Special Administrative Region shall be selected by election or through consultations held locally and be appointed by the Central People's Government." And you know who wrote Hong Kong Basic Law? Both mainland China and Britain, and the British approved it and allowed it.
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  18307.  @matthewmartin7391  Human societies has evolved from the slavery system (slave vs slave-owners) to the feudal system (serfs vs lords) and the newest iteration Capitalism hasn't changed the relationship between the classes, only giving them new terms, the Employee vs the Employer. The Employees have to contribute their time, effort and brainpower to the Employers, who'll then pay them a minimum wage, so that the employees can make a living. But this amount paid is surely less than the total time, energy and brainpower contributed by the employee, because otherwise the employer wouldn't pay the salary. Because the employer needs to make a profit, that's why they pay workers lower wages than the worker's actually contribution to the company. So if you as a worker, at the end of the day you feel as though you've been ripped off by your boss, you're absolutely right, and this phenonmena is called "labor exploitation". Furthermore, in the big corporations, all the big decisions of the companies (i.e what to produce, who to produce to, which direction to go, etc) are decided by a few members (namely the board of directors) instead of the vast number of employees in the corporation. Capitalism is where the employers seek to shrink worker wages as much as possible, in order to skim off a wider profit margin for themselves through private ownership of the means of production. It's just the nature of the beast, since capitalists continually need to make profits to avoid getting swallowed up by other capitalists. Communism believes that the proletariat (the working class) own the means of production, so that each person contributes and receives according to their ability and needs.
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  18308.  @matthewmartin7391  "神州 Shenzhou This type of gatekeeping of human innovation is apart of history for as long as we lived." If somehow by this statement, you think communists are inherently incapable of innovation, then there are examples to show otherwise. Take Russia for example, before the 1917 Communist Revolution, Russia was arguably the poorest country in Europe at that time, dominated 80% by peasants, whose traditional household economies were extremely inefficient compared to agriculture in Western Europe or the U.S. Only about 15%of the population lived in towns, and fewer than 10% worked in industry. Russia was technologically backwards compared to advanced capitalist countries like Great Britain and Germany. But after the 1917 Communist Revolution by the Bolsheviks, the new Soviet Union rapidly grew to become arguably the strongest country in Europe during it's heyday, both economically and militarily (that's why NATO was formed in response to Soviet Union's rising military might) The Soviet Union was the 2nd largest economy in the world after the USA from 1960 to 1990 according to Wikipedia: List of countries by largest historical GDP. The Soviet Union also made advancements in science and technology, they launched the world's first artificial satellite, Sputnik-1 in 1957. Such an ideology that transformed once arguably Europe's poorest country into it's strongest, and yet many Westerners hold a negative view of communism despite the promise and success it displayed.
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  18312.  @matthewmartin7391  "神州 Shenzhou Communism sounds good in practice but it is not a good foundation to build a healthy economy off of." So if not a good foundation, would you be open to the concept of a country building it's foundation somewhere else, and then switching to communist/socialism ideology afterwards? "Eg, The Soviet Union (There was massive wealth inequality and corruption that was shown in the handling of east germany and themselves, poverty and human rights were all very stark issues in the USSR however this was not shown through government propaganda)" America had their War on Poverty campaign in 1960s, around the time of the Cold War period as well with the Soviet Union, indicating that poverty existed in America too. Also those problems like poverty and human rights violations can also be attributed to capitalist countries. Inequity is growing even in capitalist America today, USA has human rights violations like the most recent U.S drone strike in Kabul killing 10 Afghan civilians (including women and children) and the U.S General responsible for ordering the attack was found to have not violated any laws according to the Pentagon. I mean, these problems are common to both capitalist and socialist systems, but the fact remains that communist ideology transformed Europe's once arguably poorest country, into it's strongest as the Soviet Union during its heyday, yet the ideology of communism is seemingly demonized in the West, with most people unable to point out where exactly this demonization comes from.
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  18358.  @Dragon-g9k7v  "We know for a fact that Taiwan is NOT acting like a bully in SCS while having claims to it, just like the many other countries, Viet, MY, PH, Brunei, JP, etc [not gonna list them all]." You mentioned JP as in Japan right? Japan is NOT a claimant to the South China Sea, why are you including Japan in it? Also Taiwan is not a country, they claim to be Republic of China 🇹🇼 and since you accept Taiwan's 11 Dash Line claim, then can't PRC 🇨🇳 claim the 9 Dash Line as well? You said: "ONLY 1 country, China/CCP is acting like a bully." Indonesia has been exploding fisherman's boats that they confiscated, destroying fisherman's livelihoods how's that not an example of a bully? As I mentioned in the example of Guang Da Xing No. 28 incident, a Taiwanese boat tried to ram a Philippines Coastguard and in response, the coastguard open fired and shot to death a 65-year old Taiwanese Hong Shicheng (洪石成). How are these not examples of bullying given that they result in loss of life and fishermen's vessels? You said: "If you know what is a proper aircraft intercept [mind you, China/CCP is doing a very bad job at this even though it's pretty simple], China/CCP could EASILY do that with the ships in SCS" The People's Liberation Army Air Force has performed over 180 successful aircraft intercepts over the past two years in its efforts to defend China's airspace. You said: "WITHOUT having to ram or use water cannon" Chinese ships were subjected to more than 1,400 ramming raids by Vietnamese ships and in response the Chinese ships fired water cannons at those Vietnamese vessels. Also, China is just firing water cannons, while other countries coastguard have open fired on Chinese vessels like the Phillippine Coastguard in Guang Da Xing No. 28 incident.
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  18359.  @Dragon-g9k7v  "NOPE, on the contrary, it's is HIGHLY UNLIKELY. Once again you seem to fail to understand why I said "butterfly effect". "1 drop of change"" Explain where's this 1 drop of change going to come from? Since clearly there's no external stimulus to change their stance towards maintaining the claiming 11 Dash Line even after fleeing to Taiwan, then it's highly likely Taiwan would retain this claim (as they do today) had they remain in the mainland. Where's your 1 drop of change going to come from? "ESPECIALLY looking at what TW had been doing since KMT escaped to TW island till now." Taiwan still maintains the claim to 11 Dash Line, and their government also rejected the 2016 arbitration ruling, even after escaping to Taiwan island, so again where's this 1 drop of change going to come from? You talk about some obscure small possibility, whereas I've stated that its highly likely Taiwan will retain its claim had it remain in the mainland. KMT remaining in the mainland would have even less pressure and external stimulus to change their position regarding South China Sea. "What a joke this is. Let's put it this way, IF CCP is NOT threatening war for TW to be officially independent. They MAY have done it for official sake." Now you're using MAY? As in a "possibility"? Why haven't they not done so then? If TW cannot officially declare independence, then the simple reality is that TW is not independent after all, since they can't declare it as such. If you're claiming it is, then why is it Taiwan cannot join the United Nations like an independent country can? What's preventing TW from doing so? "EVERYTHING in TAIWAN IS INDEPENDENT, own currency, Government, military, culture, etc." Hong Kong has their own currency, their own government, their own passport, etc, yet Hong Kong is recognized as part of China (since the 1997 HK handover). So having those things doesn't necessary equal to being an independent country, since Taiwan still goes by the name ROC. "Just like India have the other name which they use interchangeably," India is an independent country that's right. But Taiwan isn't, since even India recognizes the One China policy that TW is part of China. "CCP had NEVER conquered or OWN the TW island," Yet why is it Taiwan cannot join the United Nations like an independent country can? What's preventing TW from doing so? The fact is that the CPC exerts control over TW island and prevent it from joining the UN, therefore, the island isn't independent after all. "TW may or may not still claim that BUT they don't send ships harassing others in SCS " How many time's have I repeated the example of Guang Da Xing No. 28 incident where a Taiwanese boat tried to ram a Philippines Coastguard and in response, the coastguard open fired and shot to death a 65-year old Taiwanese Hong Shicheng (洪石成)? "ONCE AGAIN don't circle back to the TW-PH ship accident, we've covered everything about it already," We haven't. This is the first time you actually acknowledge the incident, and the fact is that Taiwan boat tried to ram a PH coastguard. So why do you keep claiming that Taiwan ships don't ram others? "Looking at what TW did in the past till now and the "butterfly effect", it's a straight up NO" Again, where's this 1 drop of change going to come from? Even though Taiwan changed to a democracy, they still retain the claim to 11 Dash Line as well as rejecting the 2016 arbitration. You're banking so much change on the slim possibility of 1 drop of change that's all, whereas the default stance of Taiwan is to maintain its claim even after KMT fled to TW island. "How about this, you go and tell the CCP to give up power, let Taiwan TAKE BACK the mainland [current China]," The communists fought long and hard to retain control over China and chase the KMT out of the mainland to TW island why would the CPC just relinquish control? How about you tell Taiwan to allow reunification? "IF TW does what you said they would, I'll apologise." Will TW relinquish the mainland back to the communists if it turns out that they retain the claim to the 11 Dash Line?
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  18360.  @Dragon-g9k7v  "so far I did NOT say I accept TW's claim of "11 dash lines". I neither agree nor disagree with TW's claim in SCS." So if you neither agree nor disagree with Taiwan 11 Dash Line claims, then why can't you hold the same position for mainland China's 9 Dash Line? Taiwan claims an even larger swath over the South China Sea, so if you neither agree nor disagree, then why can't you do the same for mainland China's smaller claim? "Since TW is not forcing it [use of force] and willing to negotiate about it" Since when is Taiwan willing to negotiate about it? Taiwan clearly rejected the 2016 arbitration ruling, calling it "completely unacceptable" and "legally non-binding" then isn't it clear that it's not up for negotiation? "Go read the above many times, enough times for you to remember and understand it." The fact remains that China is a late-comer to the South China Sea claims, then if you can tolerate Vietnam and Philippines claims then why not China? Scale and speed has little to do with it, given enough time and resources, Vietnam and Philippines can also construct just as many islands as China. I mean could you tell me what's the "acceptable speed" of island construction then? An artificial island IS an artificial island, no matter whether it's built slow or fast. "You wanted a UN "thing", there you go "United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea (UNCLOS)"." UNCLOS is a set of rules, it depends on who's making the ruling. And the PCA is NOT an official UN agency. In fact your source deliberately doesn't even mention PCA, it just calls it "an arbitration tribunal" and "The tribunal" because they don't want to expose the fact that it wasn't an official UN agency (i.e the ICJ) that's conducting the ruling. ""Taiwan stated that they did not recognize the tribunal and insisted that the matter should be resolved through bilateral negotiations with other claimants." See this, BILATERAL NEGOTIATIONS" Why didn't you quote the whole sentence? The whole sentence is "Both the People's Republic of China and Taiwan stated that they did not recognize the tribunal and insisted that the matter should be resolved through bilateral negotiations with other claimants." Yet you deliberately left out China? "If Indo does that and it's wrong, CCP doing it makes it right? Besides CCP is doing it on a worst scale." Since when is CPC exploding fisherman's boats that were confiscated? And on a worst scale than Indonesia too? "ONCE AGAIN, how many times did Indo did what you've said and how many times CCP had done it" 2016: Indonesia blows up 23 foreign fishing boats to send a message. 2017: Indonesia blew up and sank 81 more fishing boats. ... A total of 488 ships have been blown up by Indonesia. More than half the boats — 276 — are from Vietnam, followed by vessels from the Philippines (90), Thailand (50), and Malaysia (41). How many times China has exploded boats? Zero. "Go read "Hainan Island incident", fighter jets are way more maneuverable than that signals intelligence aircraft. EVEN IF the US aircraft wants to crash into the fighter jet, it would FAIL terribly." Why on Earth are US intelligence aircraft flying over the Chinese territory of Hainan Island in the first place? Theses are specifically "reconnaissance planes" sent to spy on other country's territory, yet instead of making noise over it you are degrading the People's Liberation Army Air Force's successful repelling of these foreign aircraft? "Plainly FASLE. Go google it" I did. NBC, BBC, and Al Jazeera reported that Vietnamese vessels ram China ships 1400 times. "If you don't have another other case than "Guang Da Xing No. 28 incident" which happened in 2013, more than 10 years now." The fact that the incident occurred shows that Taiwan vessels had tried to ram other ships, so all your claims about them not doing is plainly FASLE.
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  18361.  @Dragon-g9k7v  "NOPE, on the contrary, it's is HIGHLY UNLIKELY. Once again you seem to fail to understand why I said "butterfly effect". "1 drop of change"" Explain where's this 1 drop of change going to come from? Since clearly there's no external stimulus to change their stance towards maintaining the claiming 11 Dash Line even after fleeing to Taiwan, then it's highly likely Taiwan would retain this claim (as they do today) had they remain in the mainland. Where's your 1 drop of change going to come from? "ESPECIALLY looking at what TW had been doing since KMT escaped to TW island till now." Taiwan still maintains the claim to 11 Dash Line, and their government also rejected the 2016 arbitration ruling, even after escaping to Taiwan island, so again where's this 1 drop of change going to come from? You talk about some obscure small possibility, whereas I've stated that its highly likely Taiwan will retain its claim had it remain in the mainland. KMT remaining in the mainland would have even less pressure and external stimulus to change their position regarding South China Sea. "What a joke this is. Let's put it this way, IF CCP is NOT threatening war for TW to be officially independent. They MAY have done it for official sake." Now you're using MAY? As in a "possibility"? Why haven't they not done so then? If TW cannot officially declare independence, then the simple reality is that TW is not independent after all, since they can't declare it as such. If you're claiming it is, then why is it Taiwan cannot join the United Nations like an independent country can? What's preventing TW from doing so? "EVERYTHING in TAIWAN IS INDEPENDENT, own currency, Government, military, culture, etc." Hong Kong has their own currency, their own government, their own passport, etc, yet Hong Kong is recognized as part of China (since the 1997 HK handover). So having those things doesn't necessary equal to being an independent country, since Taiwan still goes by the name ROC. "Just like India have the other name which they use interchangeably," India is an independent country that's right. But Taiwan isn't, since even India recognizes the One China policy that TW is part of China. "CCP had NEVER conquered or OWN the TW island," Yet why is it Taiwan cannot join the United Nations like an independent country can? What's preventing TW from doing so? The fact is that the CPC exerts control over TW island and prevent it from joining the UN, therefore, the island isn't independent after all. "TW may or may not still claim that BUT they don't send ships harassing others in SCS " How many time's have I repeated the example of Guang Da Xing No. 28 incident where a Taiwanese boat tried to ram a Philippines Coastguard and in response, the coastguard open fired and shot to death a 65-year old Taiwanese Hong Shicheng (洪石成)? "ONCE AGAIN don't circle back to the TW-PH ship accident, we've covered everything about it already," We haven't. This is the first time you actually acknowledge the incident, and the fact is that Taiwan boat tried to ram a PH coastguard. So why do you keep claiming that Taiwan ships don't ram others? "Looking at what TW did in the past till now and the "butterfly effect", it's a straight up NO" Again, where's this 1 drop of change going to come from? Even though Taiwan changed to a democracy, they still retain the claim to 11 Dash Line as well as rejecting the 2016 arbitration. You're banking so much change on the slim possibility of 1 drop of change that's all, whereas the default stance of Taiwan is to maintain its claim even after KMT fled to TW island. "How about this, you go and tell the CCP to give up power, let Taiwan TAKE BACK the mainland [current China]," The CPC fought long and hard to retain control over China and chase the KMT out of the mainland to TW island why would the CPC just relinquish control? How about you tell Taiwan to allow reunification? "IF TW does what you said they would, I'll apologise." Will TW relinquish the mainland back to the CPC if it turns out that they retain the claim to the 11 Dash Line?
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  18362.  @Dragon-g9k7v  "NOPE, on the contrary, it's is HIGHLY UNLIKELY. Once again you seem to fail to understand why I said "butterfly effect". "1 drop of change"" Explain where's this 1 drop of change going to come from? Since clearly there's no external stimulus to change their stance towards maintaining the claiming 11 Dash Line even after fleeing to Taiwan, then it's highly likely Taiwan would retain this claim (as they do today) had they remain in the mainland. Where's your 1 drop of change going to come from? "ESPECIALLY looking at what TW had been doing since KMT escaped to TW island till now." Taiwan still maintains the claim to 11 Dash Line, and their government also rejected the 2016 arbitration ruling, even after escaping to Taiwan island, so again where's this 1 drop of change going to come from? You talk about some obscure small possibility, whereas I've stated that its highly likely Taiwan will retain its claim had it remain in the mainland. KMT remaining in the mainland would have even less pressure and external stimulus to change their position regarding South China Sea. "What a joke this is. Let's put it this way, IF CCP is NOT threatening war for TW to be officially independent. They MAY have done it for official sake." Now you're using MAY? As in a "possibility"? Why haven't they not done so then? If TW cannot officially declare independence, then the simple reality is that TW is not independent after all, since they can't declare it as such. If you're claiming it is, then why is it Taiwan cannot join the United Nations like an independent country can? What's preventing TW from doing so? "EVERYTHING in TAIWAN IS INDEPENDENT, own currency, Government, military, culture, etc." Hong Kong has their own currency, their own government, their own passport, etc, yet Hong Kong is recognized as part of China (since the 1997 HK handover). So having those things doesn't necessary equal to being an independent country, since Taiwan still goes by the name ROC. "Just like India have the other name which they use interchangeably," India is an independent country. But Taiwan isn't, since even India recognizes the One China policy that TW is part of China.
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  18363.  @Dragon-g9k7v  Explain where's this 1 drop of change going to come from? Since clearly there's no external stimulus to change their stance towards maintaining the claiming 11 Dash Line even after fleeing to Taiwan, then it's highly likely Taiwan would retain this claim (as they do today) had they remain in the mainland. Where's your 1 drop of change going to come from? "ESPECIALLY looking at what TW had been doing since KMT escaped to TW island till now." Taiwan still maintains the claim to 11 Dash Line, and their government also rejected the 2016 arbitration ruling, even after escaping to Taiwan island, so again where's this 1 drop of change going to come from? You talk about some obscure small possibility, whereas I've stated that its highly likely Taiwan will retain its claim had it remain in the mainland. KMT remaining in the mainland would have even less pressure and external stimulus to change their position regarding South China Sea. "What a joke this is. Let's put it this way, IF CCP is NOT threatening war for TW to be officially independent. They MAY have done it for official sake." Now you're using MAY? As in a "possibility"? Why haven't they not done so then? If TW cannot officially declare independence, then the simple reality is that TW is not independent after all, since they can't declare it as such. If you're claiming it is, then why is it Taiwan cannot join the United Nations like an independent country can? What's preventing TW from doing so? "EVERYTHING in TAIWAN IS INDEPENDENT, own currency, Government, military, culture, etc." Hong Kong has their own currency, their own government, their own passport, etc, yet Hong Kong is recognized as part of China (since the 1997 HK handover). So having those things doesn't necessary equal to being an independent country, since Taiwan still goes by the name ROC. "Just like India have the other name which they use interchangeably," India is an independent country that's right. But Taiwan isn't, since even India recognizes the One China policy that TW is part of China. "CCP had NEVER conquered or OWN the TW island," Yet why is it Taiwan cannot join the United Nations like an independent country can? What's preventing TW from doing so? The fact is that the CPC exerts control over TW island and prevent it from joining the UN, therefore, the island isn't independent after all. "TW may or may not still claim that BUT they don't send ships harassing others in SCS " How many time's have I repeated the example of Guang Da Xing No. 28 incident where a Taiwanese boat tried to ram a Philippines Coastguard and in response, the coastguard open fired and shot to death a 65-year old Taiwanese Hong Shicheng (洪石成)? "ONCE AGAIN don't circle back to the TW-PH ship accident, we've covered everything about it already," We haven't. This is the first time you actually acknowledge the incident, and the fact is that Taiwan boat tried to ram a PH coastguard. So why do you keep claiming that Taiwan ships don't ram others? "Looking at what TW did in the past till now and the "butterfly effect", it's a straight up NO" Again, where's this 1 drop of change going to come from? Even though Taiwan changed to a democracy, they still retain the claim to 11 Dash Line as well as rejecting the 2016 arbitration. You're banking so much change on the slim possibility of 1 drop of change that's all, whereas the default stance of Taiwan is to maintain its claim even after KMT fled to TW island. "How about this, you go and tell the CCP to give up power, let Taiwan TAKE BACK the mainland [current China]," The communists fought long and hard to retain control over China and chase the KMT out of the mainland to TW island why would the CPC just relinquish control? How about you tell Taiwan to allow reunification? "IF TW does what you said they would, I'll apologise." Will TW relinquish the mainland back to the communists if it turns out that they retain the claim to the 11 Dash Line?
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  18364.  @Dragon-g9k7v  Explain where's this 1 drop of change going to come from? Even losing all their power in the mainland and fleeing to Taiwan island, Taiwan still maintain the claim to the 11 Dash Line. then it's highly likely Taiwan would retain this claim (as they do today) had they remain in the mainland. Where's your 1 drop of change going to come from? "ESPECIALLY looking at what TW had been doing since KMT escaped to TW island till now." Taiwan still maintains the claim to 11 Dash Line, and their government also rejected the 2016 arbitration ruling, even after escaping to Taiwan island, so again where's this 1 drop of change going to come from? You talk about some obscure small possibility, but even with the big change of losing the mainland, Taiwan still maintains the claim to the 11 Dash Line. "What a joke this is. Let's put it this way, IF CCP is NOT threatening war for TW to be officially independent. They MAY have done it for official sake." Now you're using MAY? As in a "possibility"? Why haven't they not done so then? If TW cannot officially declare independence, then the simple reality is that TW is not independent after all, since they can't declare it as such. "EVERYTHING in TAIWAN IS INDEPENDENT, own currency, Government, military, culture, etc." Hong Kong has their own currency, their own government, their own passport, etc, yet Hong Kong is recognized as part of China (since the 1997 HK handover). So having those things doesn't necessary equal to being an independent country, since Taiwan still goes by the name ROC. "Just like India have the other name which they use interchangeably," India is an independent country that's right. But Taiwan isn't, since even India recognizes the One China policy that TW is part of China. "CCP had NEVER conquered or OWN the TW island," If that's that case then why is it Taiwan cannot join the United Nations like an independent country can? What's preventing TW from doing so? The fact is that the CPC exerts control over TW island and prevent it from joining the UN, therefore, the island isn't independent after all.
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  18365.  @Dragon-g9k7v  "NOPE, on the contrary, it's is HIGHLY UNLIKELY. Once again you seem to fail to understand why I said "butterfly effect". "1 drop of change"" It's this 1 drop of change is that's HIGHLY UNLIKELY. Where's this drop of change going to come from? If such a big change of losing the mainland and fleeing to TW island failed to change their 11 Dash Line stance, then where's this 1 drop of change going to come from? "What a joke this is. Let's put it this way, IF CCP is NOT threatening war for TW to be officially independent. They MAY have done it for official sake." MAY? As in only a "possibility"? Then the fact remains that TW is not an independent country after all, since they can't even declare independence. "EVERYTHING in TAIWAN IS INDEPENDENT, own currency, Government, military, culture, etc" Hong Kong has their own government, own currency, own passport, etc, yet Hong Kong is part of China. Having those doesn't necessarily mean independence, since China allows multiple systems to exist within its borders. "Taiwan still goes by the name ROC/Taiwan but mostly using Taiwan now." No. Even in the Olympics, Taiwan athletes can only compete under the name "Chinese Taipei" so how's that for independence? "Just like India have the other name which they use interchangeably, most of their locals know and use it as well." Locals may call India Bharat or other names, but those are words used locally. Internationally, India is known as Republic of India. Just like Taiwan is known internationally as Republic of China. "Once again, repeating myself here, TW may or may not still claim that BUT they don't send ships harassing others in SCS" How does this answer to the fact that "even after becoming democratic, Taiwan still maintains the claim to the 11 Dash Line"? Also, haven't you heard of Guang Da Xing No. 28 incident? "ONCE AGAIN don't circle back to the TW-PH ship accident, we've covered everything about it already," No we haven't. This is the first time you actually acknowledged the incident. The fact is that Taiwan vessel had attempted to ram a Philippine coastguard proves your statement that Taiwan doesn't ram others as plainly false. "Looking at what TW did in the past till now and the "butterfly effect", it's a straight up NO!!!. The likelihood of that happening is extremely close to ZERO [nothing is absolute zero %]." Where's your 1 drop of change going to come from? Taiwan experienced massive change when they fled the mainland to TW island, but they refuse to give up on their 11 Dash Claim, how can you claim some small drop of change is going to appear and change what a big change failed to do? "How about this, you go and tell the CCP to give up power, let Taiwan TAKE BACK the mainland" The CPC fought long and hard for the right to rule China and to chase KMT to TW island, why should CPC give up something fought so hard for? The CPC earned their right to rule the mainland. "IF TW does what you said they would, I'll apologise." Will TW be willing to relinquish control of the mainland back to CPC if you apologise?
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  18366.  @Dragon-g9k7v  "so far I did NOT say I accept TW's claim of "11 dash lines". I neither agree nor disagree with TW's claim in SCS." Yet when mainland China claims the 9 Dash Line, you disagree? Taiwan claims a larger area (11 Dash Line) and if you neither agree nor disagree, then you should apply the same position towards China's smaller claim. It's only fair that you treat both the same. "Go read the above many times, enough times for you to remember and understand it." The fact remains that Vietnam and Philippines were building islands earlier and that China was a late comer to the island building scene. Scale and speed has nothing to do with it, a claim is a claim regardless and an island built is built. Given enough time and resources, Vietnam and Philippines will eventually cover as much as China. "military equipment", "unlike the other claimants"." _ Taiwan occupies Itu Aba Island, on which it has constructed dozens of buildings for military use, protected by hundreds of troops and twenty coastal guns. Vietnam occupies twenty-one islands on which it has built runways, piers, barracks, storage tanks, and gun emplacements. Malaysia and the Philippines, as stated, have five and nine sites respectively, occupied by naval detachments. ... (Source: Business Insider: The South China Sea will be the battleground of the future) " Vietnam received "little international criticism and even support was because of the slower speed...."" Like I said above, speed has nothing to do with it. I mean, could you tell me what's the "acceptable speed" of island construction then? "You wanted a UN "thing", there you go "United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea (UNCLOS)"." UNCLOS is a set of rules, it depends on who's doing the arbitration. And the PCA is NOT an official UN agency. In fact, your source deliberately left out its name, calling it "an arbitration tribunal" and "The tribunal" because they didn't want audiences to know it was the PCA, not the ICJ that did the ruling. ""Taiwan stated that they did not recognize the tribunal and insisted that the matter should be resolved through bilateral negotiations with other claimants." See this, BILATERAL NEGOTIATIONS, NOT using force like CCP." Why'd you deliberately omitted China from the sentence? The whole sentence is "Both the People's Republic of China and Taiwan stated that they did not recognize the tribunal and insisted that the matter should be resolved through bilateral negotiations with other claimants."
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  18367.  @Dragon-g9k7v  "If Indo does that and it's wrong, CCP doing it makes it right? Besides CCP is doing it on a worst scale." Since when is CPC exploding boats like Indonesia is doing? And on a worst scale too? "ONCE AGAIN, how many times did Indo did what you've said and how many times CCP had done it." A total of 488 ships have been blown up by Indonesia. More than half the boats — 276 — are from Vietnam, followed by vessels from the Philippines (90), Thailand (50), and Malaysia (41). How many times China has exploded boats? Answer: Zero. Yet you're saying China is doing it on a worst scale? "the TW-PH ship accident have nothing more to talk about." The Guang Da Xing No. 28 incident shows that Taiwan has been sending ships to ram others. "Go read "Hainan Island incident", fighter jets are way more maneuverable than that signals intelligence aircraft." Why on are US intelligence aircraft flying over the Chinese territory of Hainan Island in the first place? Theses are specifically "reconnaissance planes" sent to spy on other country's territory, yet instead of making noise over it you are degrading the People's Liberation Army Air Force's successful repelling of these foreign aircraft? "Plainly FASLE. Go google it" I did. NBC, BBC, and Al Jazeera reported that Vietnamese vessels ram China ships 1400 times. "If you don't have another other case than "Guang Da Xing No. 28 incident" which happened in 2013, more than 10 years now." The fact that the incident occurred shows that Taiwan vessels had tried to ram other ships, so all your claims about them not doing is plainly FASLE.
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  18407.  @kushio214  So you can compare GDP per capita (by dividing our GDP by our enormous population) then can't I use China's population to our advantage? Chinese universities produce the most STEM graduates (Science, Technology, Engineering and Mathematics) out of any other country in the world. Countries With The Most STEM Graduates 1. China (4.7 million) 2. India (2.6 million) 3. United States (568,000) 4. Russia (561,000) 5. Iran (335,000) 6. Indonesia (206,000) 7. Japan (195,000) ... Source: Forbes: The Countries With The Most STEM Graduates forbes.com/sites/niallmccarthy/2017/02/02/the-countries-with-the-most-stem-graduates-infographic/ This implies that China is going to play a much larger role in the STEM fields, given the sheer number of graduates produced in these fields. In the grand scheme of things, China is only going to get better and better over the years. The HDI also compares two countries with the same level of GDP per capita that can end up with different human development outcomes, so isn't it linked to population size as well? Lastly, if you think that Japan or Taiwan could have built even longer train lines if they were the size of mainland China, then it's possible that their GDP per capita and HDI won't be as high as they are today, because of the sheer size of China's landmass. In 2003, China had 0km of high speed rail track, but today, China has more than double the track length of the rest of the world! Countries by high-speed rail lines in operation 1. China (38,207 km) 2. Spain (5,525 km) 3. Germany (4,692 km) 4. France (3,802 km) 5. Japan (3,421 km) 6. Sweden (2,055 km) 7. United Kingdom (1,757 km) ... Source: List of high-speed railway lines wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_high-speed_railway_lines#Overview
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  18422. +rajesh yadav About Indians being "happier" compared to China, India ranks a low 122 among world’s happiest countries. Nations such as China (79), Pakistan (80), Nepal (99), Bangladesh (110), Iraq (117) and Sri Lanka (120) fared better than India on the following ranking in 2017. India ranks a low 122 among world’s happiest countries indianexpress (dot) com/article/india/india-ranks-a-low-122-among-worlds-happiest-countries-pakistan-nepal-fare-better-4578297/ Also, its a myth that Chinese Kung Fu is developed by India not China. Chinese martial arts have existed since the Warring States (and probably even earlier) and developed from a need for self-defense, hunting techniques and military training in ancient China. Hand-to-hand combat and weapons practice were important in training ancient Chinese soldiers. Chinese historical records, like Spring and Autumn Annals of Wu and Yue, the Bibliographies in the Book of the Han Dynasty, the Records of the Grand Historian, and other sources document the existence of martial arts in China for thousands of years. For example, the Chinese martial art of wrestling, Shuai Jiao predates the establishment of Shaolin Kungfu by several centuries. So why do you claim Indian buddhist monk developed Kungfu and India gave Buddhism to China? Chinese martial arts were developed even earlier than Buddhism. Also, as far as I know, Gautama Buddha was born in what constitutes modern day Nepal, not India. China film industry is the world's largest film market, that even Hollywood wants a slice of the pie. Look at many recent China and Hollywood movie collaborations like The Great Wall, Pacific Rim: Uprising and other such movies. Chinese film stars like Bruce Lee, Jackie Chan, Michelle Yeoh, Jet Li, etc are world famous, and there aren't as many Bollywood stars in Hollywood as compared to Chinese film stars in my opinion.
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  18436.  @hamiorg  Yellow Peril may have origins in ancient Greece, but the fact that it survives till today shows that it spans over thousands of years till today. Even Wikipedia has an entry on Yellow Peril and its relation to cinema. In the 1930s, Hollywood offered two contradictory images of Asian men: (i) The malevolent master-criminal, Dr. Fu Manchu; and (ii) The benevolent master-detective, Charlie Chan.[93] As a Yellow Peril villain, Fu Manchu is "Rohmer's concoction of cunning Asian villainy [that] connects with the irrational fears of proliferation and incursion: Racist myths often carried by the water imagery of flood, deluge, the tidal waves of immigrants, rivers of blood."[94] In 1936, when the Nazis banned his novels in Germany, because they believed him Jewish, Sax Rohmer denied being racist and published a letter declaring himself "a good Irishman", wherein he was disingenuous about the why of the Nazi book-ban, because "my stories are not inimical to Nazi ideals." Source: Cinema of the Yellow Peril wikipedia.org/wiki/Yellow_Peril#Cinema_of_the_Yellow_Peril The Mask of Fu Manchu (1932) reflects the white man's sexual-anxiety as the basis of Yellow Peril fear; thus Fu Manchu (Boris Karloff) urges his Asian army to "Kill the white man and take his women!" Incest, between father and daughter, is a recurrent theme in the narrative of The Mask of Fu Manchu, especially the ambiguous nature of the relationship between Fu Manchu and his daughter, Fah Lo See (Myrna Loy), an example of the unnatural sexuality of the yellow race. Emperor Ming the Merciless, nemesis of Flash Gordon, was another iteration of the Fu Manchu trope. Peter Feng calls him a "futuristic Yellow Peril", quoting a reviewer who referred to Ming as a "slanty eyed, shiny domed, pointy nailed, arching eyebrowed, exotically dressed Oriental". Likewise, Buck Rogers fought against the Mongol Reds (aka the Hans), who had conquered the U.S. in the 25th century. So its clear that Yellow Peril influenced Hollywood, yet you're constantly denying everything I said and even resorted to hurling personal insults against me (like dumbass, twit, dip**t, brainwashed, idiot) for my views? You asked for Chinese villains and I already mentioned numerous examples, yet you're bringing up Chinese heroes for what, when you yourself asked for Chinese villains? And did I ever said anything about Hollywood repeatedly victimising Asians and making us the villains? You haven't answered all my questions yet you still demand that I answer your question?
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  18449.  @sac22833  "神州 Shenzhou do you not read carefully? The US will intervene if they feel that China is a threat to them if they invade Taiwan" That's why I keep on asking you: "What's Taiwan even got to offer the USA, you tell me?" This is the third time I am asking you and you repeatedly failed to answer this question of mine. I cited polls showing that only a minority of Americans would favour US soldiers fighting to defend Taiwan, but you keep on dismissing it and you have given nothing to support your argument that's all. Most countries recognise Taiwan as part of China, even US President Trump has agreed to honor the One China policy after receiving phonecall from President Xi Jinping. Source: Trump Tells Xi Jinping U.S. Will Honor ‘One China’ Policy nytimes.com/2017/02/09/world/asia/donald-trump-china-xi-jinping-letter.html Since USA consider Taiwan part of China, then if Taiwan declares independence, it will be treated as an internal rebellion (or the continuation of the Chinese Civil War) and not an invasion of another country. Because Taiwan is part of China after all. And it takes 2 years for Huawei CFO Meng Wanzhou to be extradited? I thought you said earlier that the justice department have ton and tons of documents regarding her involvement of breaking the US sanctions on Iran, so why is it taking 2 years? Why hasn't USA revealed the so-called documents pertaining to Meng's involvement in US sanctions? Is it because USA has no evidence and needs to buy time to manufacture evidence against Meng? To strike an economic blow to Huawei and China's economy? And what's the names of the arrested 3 Canadians which had no charge, no trial and no lawyers? You can't even name me the arrested Canadians so that I can read up on their cases, all you do is make accusations against China that you can't support. "Look what happened when some people show videos about what's really happening in Wuhan. They disappeared." Which person showing videos about Wuhan has disappeared, you tell me?
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  18457.  @sac22833  About Taiwan Economic Miracle, Taiwan had been under authoritarian single-party KMT rule for more than half its life. For decades the Kuomintang ruled Taiwan with iron fist and Chiang kai-shek was a dictator who jailed and executed dissidents and political rivals (whether real or perceived) in a period known as White Terror (白色恐怖) and imposed martial law on Taiwan for more than 38 years, which was qualified as the longest imposition of martial law by a regime anywhere in the world" at that time. Source: White Terror (Taiwan) wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Terror_(Taiwan) But under single-party KMT leadership, Taiwan actually flourished and prospered, resulting in what's known as the Taiwan Miracle (台湾奇迹). Between 1952 – 1982, Taiwan's economic growth was on average 8.7%, and between 1983 – 1986 at 6.9%. Taiwan GDP grew by 360% between 1965 – 1986 and the percentage of global exports was over 2% in 1986, over other recently industrialized countries, and the global industrial production output grew a further 680% between 1965 – 1986. And it was all achieved under single-party KMT rule. Source: Taiwan Miracle wikipedia.org/wiki/Taiwan_Miracle Only in the late 1990s, when democracy was introduced to Taiwan (because USA threatened to cut off weapons sales to Taiwan if KMT did not introduce political reforms) did Taiwan's economic growth became more modest. Since Taiwan prospered under single-party KMT rule, then is there a need to adopt democracy then?
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  18458.  @sac22833  South Korea had that South Korean dictator, Park Chung hee (朴正熙). While seeking to bring South Korea into the developed world, Park began a series of economic policies that brought rapid economic growth and industrialization to the nation that eventually became known as the Miracle on the Han River. When Park came to power in 1961, South Korea's per capita income was only US$72.00 (poorer than even some sub-Saharan African countries) and North Korea was the greater economic and military power on the Korean peninsula. One of Park's main goals was to end the poverty of South Korea, and lift the country up from being a Third World economy to a First World economy via etatist methods and Park is credited with playing a pivotal role in the development of South Korea's tiger economy by shifting its focus to export-oriented industrialisation. South Korea became one of the fastest growing nations during the 60s and 70s as a result. However, Park became increasingly authoritarian later in his reign. In 1972, Park declared martial law and amended the constitution into a highly authoritarian document called the Yushin Constitution, effectively abolishing the former constitution and granting him power. During this time, political opposition and dissent was constantly repressed and Park had complete control of the media and military. You can read more about Park Chung hee, the South Korean dictator who lifted South Korea out of poverty, in the following source. Source: Park Chung hee wikipedia.org/wiki/Park_Chung-hee The point is, South Korea's economic miracle occurred under authoritarian rule of Park Chung hee, so is there really a need to adopt democracy then?
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  18459.  @sac22833  Singapore's economic miracle occurred under authoritarian rule and Singapore has been ruled by single-party PAP rule for its entire life as a nation. For over 50 years, the People's Action Party ruled Singapore with an iron fist and Lee Kuan Yew (Singapore’s founder) was a benevolent dictator who tolerated no dissent to his rule and either jailed or exiled his dissidents and political rivals. Many early Singapore dissidents have been exiled from Singapore, and his political rivals have been jailed to keep them from running in elections, since they have criminal records. But under authoritarian single-party PAP rule, Singapore flourished from a once sleepy fishing village nation, into a world-class country today and able to compete with many of her neighbouring South East Asian countries. All achieved under PAP leadership. Lastly, Japan's economic miracle occurred much earlier than the others. Japan's industrialisation occurred under the Meiji Restoration under the imperial rule of Emperor Meiji (in which the period was named after) and Japan was still under authoritarian imperial rule of emperors, right up to WWII. The Meiji Restoration discarded old Japanese traditions and the samurai class (which were seen as unnecessary and a burden on Japan's resources) were abolished and many remaining samurai rebelled and fought against an increasingly modernised Japanese army armed with firearms. You might have seen the movie The Last Samurai starring Tom Cruise, and that movie was set during the wake of the Meiji Restoration.
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  18460.  @sac22833  Go and read the Taiwan's own constitution and it says that Taiwan is part of China under the One China policy, so even Taiwan considers itself part of China. There have been no formal declaration of independence by Taiwan, no signed document whatsoever, so under Taiwan's laws, they are still part of China then. And Hong Kong, Taiwan, Singapore, Korea, and Japan all had their economic miracles under authoritarian rule, like I've elaborates in my mini economics class. South Korea flourished under the authoritarian rule of South Korean dictator, Park Chung hee, leading to the Miracle on the Han River, the Taiwan Miracle occurred under authoritarian single-party KMT rule, Singapore has always been under authoritarian single-party PAP rule for over 50 years, Hong Kong flourished under authoritarian British colonial rule for 150 years, and Japan first industrialised during the Meiji Restoration under Japanese Emperor Meiji. That's why Imperial Japan was more technologically advanced than China, with fighter planes, tanks, warships, battleships and aircraft carriers during WWII. Since Japan had already industrialised without democracy before WWII, then democracy hardly played any role in Japan's success. I mean, I have given you a mini economics class in those countries/states economic miracles under authoritarian rule, so how exactly does democracy even contribute to their economic miracle? You can't even refute my economics class here, yet you still insist that democracy helped when there is no evidence of it? Why don't you elaborate how exactly does democracy play a role? Give a economic class of your own?
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  18483.  @clintongarma7855  Occupying territories? Why don't you you tell all the non-Native Americans, Canadians and Australians to get out of America and Australia and leave those lands to Native Americans and Australian Aboriginals? About Religion in China, China has nearly 200 million religious believers and more than 380,000 clerical personnel. The major religions practiced in China are Buddhism, Taoism, Islam, Catholicism, and Protestantism, said the white paper, titled “China’s Policies and Practices on Protecting Freedom of Religious Belief.” Source: (nation.com.pk/03-Apr-2018/china-has-over-20-million-muslims-35-000-mosques ) China has over 20 million Muslims, and more than 57,000 clerical personnel. There are around 222,000 Buddhist clerical personnel and over 40,000 Taoist clerical personnel. Catholicism and Protestantism have 6 million and 38 million followers in China, respectively, with 8,000 and 57,000 clerical personnel. There are approximately 5,500 religious groups in China, including seven national organizations which are Buddhist Association of China, Chinese Taoist Association, China Islamic Association, Chinese Catholic Patriotic Association, Bishops’ Conference of Catholic Church in China, National Committee of the Three-Self Patriotic Movement of the Protestant Churches in China, and China Christian Council. At present, there are about 144,000 places of worship registered for religious activities in China, among which are 33,500 Buddhist temples (including 28,000 Han Buddhist temples, 3,800 Tibetan Buddhist lamaseries, and 1,700 Theravada Buddhist temples), 9,000 Taoist temples, 35,000 Islamic mosques, 6,000 Catholic churches and places of assembly spread across 98 dioceses, and 60,000 Protestant churches and places of assembly. …… And experts have debunked the notion of Covid-19 being a bioweapon. Source: No, the Coronavirus Is Not a Bioweapon from China nationalinterest.org/blog/coronavirus/no-coronavirus-not-bioweapon-china-145112
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  18485.  @clintongarma7855  "神州 Shenzhou you are wrong and you are a liar, all you saying is a lie there's no religious freedom in china." I already gave you statistics for religion in China. China has nearly 200 million religious believers and more than 380,000 clerical personnel. The major religions practiced in China are Buddhism, Taoism, Islam, Catholicism, and Protestantism, said the white paper, titled “China’s Policies and Practices on Protecting Freedom of Religious Belief.” Source: China has over 20 million Muslims, 35,000 mosques nation.com.pk/03-Apr-2018/china-has-over-20-million-muslims-35-000-mosques China has over 20 million Muslims, more than 57,000 clerical personnel. There are around 222,000 Buddhist clerical personnel and over 40,000 Taoist clerical personnel. Catholicism and Protestantism have 6 million and 38 million followers in China, respectively, with 8,000 and 57,000 clerical personnel. There are approximately 5,500 religious groups in China, including seven national organizations which are Buddhist Association of China, Chinese Taoist Association, China Islamic Association, Chinese Catholic Patriotic Association, Bishops’ Conference of Catholic Church in China, National Committee of the Three-Self Patriotic Movement of the Protestant Churches in China, and China Christian Council. At present, there are about 144,000 places of worship registered for religious activities in China, among which are 33,500 Buddhist temples (including 28,000 Han Buddhist temples, 3,800 Tibetan Buddhist lamaseries, and 1,700 Theravada Buddhist temples), 9,000 Taoist temples, 35,000 Islamic mosques, 6,000 Catholic churches and places of assembly spread across 98 dioceses, and 60,000 Protestant churches and places of assembly. Yet you're accusing me of being a liar?
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  18569.  @Jordie-c4k  That sounds like what Western journals have been saying about China since 1990. Here's a list: 1990. The Economist. China's economy has come to a halt. 1996. The Economist. China's economy will face a hard landing. 1998. The Economist: China's economy entering a dangerous period of sluggish growth. 1999. Bank of Canada: Likelihood of a hard landing for the Chinese economy. 2000. Chicago Tribune: China currency move nails hard landing risk coffin. 2001. Wilbanks, Smith & Thomas: A hard landing in China. 2002. Westchester University: China Anxiously Seeks a Soft Economic Landing. 2003. New York Times: Banking crisis imperils China. 2004. The Economist: The great fall of China? 2005. Nouriel Roubini: The Risk of a Hard Landing in China. 2006. International Economy: Can China Achieve a Soft Landing? 2007. TIME: Is China's Economy Overheating? Can China avoid a hard landing? 2008. Forbes: Hard Landing In China? 2009. Fortune: China's hard landing. China must find a way to recover. 2010: Nouriel Roubini: Hard landing coming in China. 2011: Business Insider: A Chinese Hard Landing May Be Closer Than You Think. 2012: American Interest: Dismal Economic News from China: A Hard Landing. 2013: Zero Hedge: A Hard Landing In China. 2014. CNBC: A hard landing in China. 2015. Forbes: Congratulations, You Got Yourself A Chinese Hard Landing. 2016. The Economist: Hard landing looms for China. 2017. National Interest: Is China's Economy Going To Crash. 2018. The Daily Reckoning: China's Coming Financial Meltdown. 2019. BBC: China's Economic Slowdown: How worried should we be? 2020. New York Times: Coronavirus Could End China's Decades-Long Economic Growth Streak. 2021. Bloomberg: Chinese economy risks deeper slowdown than markets realize. 2022. Bloomberg: China Surprise Data Could Spell RECESSION. 2023. Bloomberg: No word should be off-limits to describe China's faltering economy. ... Yet it's already 2024 and China's economy is still going strong. Their predictions about China have been wrong for more than 30 years already.
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  18570.  @Jordie-c4k  Look at what Western headlines been saying about China since 1990 1990. The Economist. China's economy has come to a halt. 1996. The Economist. China's economy will face a hard landing. 1998. The Economist: China's economy entering a dangerous period of sluggish growth. 1999. Bank of Canada: Likelihood of a hard landing for the Chinese economy. 2000. Chicago Tribune: China currency move nails hard landing risk coffin. 2001. Wilbanks, Smith & Thomas: A hard landing in China. 2002. Westchester University: China Anxiously Seeks a Soft Economic Landing. 2003. New York Times: Banking crisis imperils China. 2004. The Economist: The great fall of China? 2005. Nouriel Roubini: The Risk of a Hard Landing in China. 2006. International Economy: Can China Achieve a Soft Landing? 2007. TIME: Is China's Economy Overheating? Can China avoid a hard landing? 2008. Forbes: Hard Landing In China? 2009. Fortune: China's hard landing. China must find a way to recover. 2010: Nouriel Roubini: Hard landing coming in China. 2011: Business Insider: A Chinese Hard Landing May Be Closer Than You Think. 2012: American Interest: Dismal Economic News from China: A Hard Landing. 2013: Zero Hedge: A Hard Landing In China. 2014. CNBC: A hard landing in China. 2015. Forbes: Congratulations, You Got Yourself A Chinese Hard Landing. 2016. The Economist: Hard landing looms for China. 2017. National Interest: Is China's Economy Going To Crash. 2018. The Daily Reckoning: China's Coming Financial Meltdown. 2019. BBC: China's Economic Slowdown: How worried should we be? 2020. New York Times: Coronavirus Could End China's Decades-Long Economic Growth Streak. 2021. Bloomberg: Chinese economy risks deeper slowdown than markets realize. 2022. Bloomberg: China Surprise Data Could Spell RECESSION. 2023. Bloomberg: No word should be off-limits to describe China's faltering economy. ... Yet it's already 2024 and China's economy is still going strong. Their predictions about China have been wrong for more than 30 years already.
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  18571.  @Jordie-c4k  Look at what Western headlines been saying about China since 1990. 1990. The Economist. China's economy has come to a halt. 1996. The Economist. China's economy will face a hard landing. 1998. The Economist: China's economy entering a dangerous period of sluggish growth. 1999. Bank of Canada: Likelihood of a hard landing for the Chinese economy. 2000. Chicago Tribune: China currency move nails hard landing risk coffin. 2001. Wilbanks, Smith & Thomas: A hard landing in China. 2002. Westchester University: China Anxiously Seeks a Soft Economic Landing. 2003. New York Times: Banking crisis imperils China. 2004. The Economist: The great fall of China? 2005. Nouriel Roubini: The Risk of a Hard Landing in China. 2006. International Economy: Can China Achieve a Soft Landing? 2007. TIME: Is China's Economy Overheating? Can China avoid a hard landing? 2008. Forbes: Hard Landing In China? 2009. Fortune: China's hard landing. China must find a way to recover. 2010: Nouriel Roubini: Hard landing coming in China. 2011: Business Insider: A Chinese Hard Landing May Be Closer Than You Think. 2012: American Interest: Dismal Economic News from China: A Hard Landing. 2013: Zero Hedge: A Hard Landing In China. 2014. CNBC: A hard landing in China. 2015. Forbes: Congratulations, You Got Yourself A Chinese Hard Landing. 2016. The Economist: Hard landing looms for China. 2017. National Interest: Is China's Economy Going To Crash. 2018. The Daily Reckoning: China's Coming Financial Meltdown. 2019. BBC: China's Economic Slowdown: How worried should we be? 2020. New York Times: Coronavirus Could End China's Decades-Long Economic Growth Streak. 2021. Bloomberg: Chinese economy risks deeper slowdown than markets realize. 2022. Bloomberg: China Surprise Data Could Spell RECESSION. 2023. Bloomberg: No word should be off-limits to describe China's faltering economy. ... Yet it's already 2024 and China's economy is still going strong.
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  18649.  @AmitSingh-vi8jk  Starts killing their leaders? Which Tibetan leader did the communist party kill? The Tibetan government themselves signed the Seventeen Point Agreement for the Peaceful Liberation of Tibet (中央人民政府和西藏地方政府关于和平解放西藏办法的协议) for short in 1952. The agreement is valid since it was signed by Tibetan government, so what killing of leaders are you talking about? Previously, while Tibet was under Dalai Lama rule, Tibet was a brutal theocracy, where 95% of the population were slaves and the remaining 5% elites were slave owners. Tibetan mountainous soil is infertile, rainfall is scarce in the Himalayas, so the slaves had to work hard to feed the Tibetan population. Starvation was commonplace and theft of food was punished by torture, amputation and even skinning. There's this Tibetan drum called damaru that's made from human skulls, a drumskin made of human skin and drumstick made of human bone. The Dalai Lama was overly worshipped and his followers fought for the right to consume his saliva, his urine and even his feces, because he was considered a divine vessel. After Tibet returned back to China, Chinese workers began rapidly modernising Tibet, building roads, railways, streetlamps, running water, gas and electricity as well as introducing modern amenities like cars, computers, telephone cables, smartphones, the Internet, WiFi, online shopping (from Taobao) and so on. Under CCP, the first Tibetan colleges opened in Lhasa, offering degrees in both Tibetan and Mandarin Chinese languages. Hydroelectric powerstations were built by Chinese to supply Tibetan homes with electricity. Source: List of universities and colleges in Tibet wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_universities_and_colleges_in_Tibet Source: List of major power stations in the Tibet Autonomous Region wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_major_power_stations_in_the_Tibet_Autonomous_Region Chinese workers built the Qinghai-Lhasa railway (world's highest elevation railway) through dangerous mountainous terrain and low oxygen environments, to connect the normally isolated Tibet with the rest of the world. Tibet can now import food from the mainland to feed its population, and Tibet's population has tripled from 1 million in 1950s to over 3 million people today. A thriving tourist industry has even sprung up in Tibet.
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  18651.  @AmitSingh-vi8jk  What do you even know about politics? I gave you declassified CIA documents showing that 14th Dalai Lama was sponsored by the American CIA in separatist activities against the central government, yet you claim its all propaganda? The 14th Dalai Lama even remarked that America did not care about Tibetan interests, America just wanted to destabilise all communist governments. In his 1991 autobiography Freedom in Exile, the 14th Dalai Lama criticized the CIA for supporting the Tibetan independence movement "not because they (the CIA) cared about Tibetan independence, but as part of their worldwide efforts to destabilize all communist governments". In 1999, the Dalai Lama claimed that the CIA Tibetan program had been harmful to Tibet because it primarily served American interests, claiming "once the American policy toward China changed, they stopped their help". In this time with the CIA supporting the Tibetan people it was the CIA and American policy to keep the Chinese occupied with resistance or as the CIA put it dealing with them would be a nuisance and keep the Chinese busy. The CIA's involvement in Tibet was never focused on it becoming independent from China but to gain intelligence on them and fight Communism. Source: CIA Tibetan program wikipedia.org/wiki/CIA_Tibetan_program#Criticism This is supported by the fact that after US President Nixon's 1972 visit to Tibet, the Americans stopped caring about Tibet. Today, the Tibet Autonomous Region is part of the People's Republic of China as recognised by the USA.
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  18652.  @manojattri9339  Ancient Chinese invented gunpowder and gunpowder weapons like handcannons, handgrenades, fragmentation bombs, landmines, naval mines, exploding cannonballs, rocket launchers, multi-launch rockets, and of course, fireworks. Americans celebrate the 4th of July with Chinese inventions, and world's oldest conformed surviving firearm is the Heilongjiang 黑龙江 handcannon, manufactured no later than 1288. Source: Heilongjiang hand cannon wikipedia.org/wiki/Heilongjiang_hand_cannon A 14th-century military treatise, the Huolongjing (Fire Dragon Manual), describes hollow cast iron cannonball shells filled with gunpowder. The wad of the mine was made of hard wood, carrying three different fuses in case of defective connection to the touch hole. Source: Landmine wikipedia.org/wiki/Land_mine#Gunpowder Chinese records tell of naval explosives in the 16th century, used to fight against Japanese pirates (wokou) wikipedia.org/wiki/Naval_mine#History Source: The earliest rocket launchers documented in imperial China consisted of arrows modified by the attachment of a rocket motor to the shaft a few inches behind the arrowhead. wikipedia.org/wiki/Rocket_launcher#History Source: The first multiple rocket launchers were made during the mediaeval Chinese Song dynasty. wikipedia.org/wiki/Multiple_rocket_launcher#History There's even a Chinese flamethrower capable launching a continuous stream of fire at enemies, which must have been terrifying to behold. Video: Chinese Flamethrower Video For Project youtu.be/oSFdXTJKUP0
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  18686.  @sureshkandasamy4972  Previously, while Tibet was under Dalai Lama rule, Tibet was a brutal theocracy, where 95% of the population were slaves and the remaining 5% elites were slave owners. Tibetan mountainous soil is infertile, rainfall is scarce in the Himalayas, so the slaves had to work hard to feed the Tibetan population. Starvation was commonplace and theft of food was punished by torture, amputation and even skinning. There's this Tibetan drum called damaru that's made from human skulls, a drumskin made of human skin and drumstick made of human bone. The Dalai Lama was overly worshipped and his followers fought for the right to consume his saliva, his urine and even his feces, because he was considered a divine vessel. After Tibet returned back to China, Chinese workers began rapidly modernising Tibet, building roads, railways, streetlamps, running water, gas and electricity as well as introducing modern amenities like cars, computers, telephone cables, smartphones, the Internet, WiFi, online shopping (from Taobao) and so on. Under CPC, the first Tibetan colleges opened in Lhasa, offering degrees in both Tibetan and Mandarin Chinese languages. Hydroelectric powerstations were built by Chinese to supply Tibetan homes with electricity. Source: List of universities and colleges in Tibet wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_universities_and_colleges_in_Tibet Source: List of major power stations in the Tibet Autonomous Region wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_major_power_stations_in_the_Tibet_Autonomous_Region Chinese workers built the Qinghai-Lhasa railway (world's highest elevation railway) through dangerous mountainous terrain and low oxygen environments, to connect the normally isolated Tibet with the rest of the world. Tibet can now import food from the mainland to feed its population, and Tibet's population has tripled from 1 million in 1950s to over 3 million people today. A thriving tourist industry has even sprung up in Tibet.
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  18711.  @lailaheilallah3783  China will fall? That's exactly what Western economists been predicting since 1990s. 1990. The Economist: China's economy has come to a halt. 1996. The Economist: China's economy will face hard landing. 1998. The Economist: China's economy entering a dangerous period of sluggish growth. 1999. Bank of Canada: Likelihood of a hard landing for the Chinese economy. 2000. Chicago Tribune: China currency move nails hard landing risk coffin. 2001. Wilbanks, Smith & Thomas: A hard landing in China. 2002. Westchester University: China Anxiously Seeks A Soft Economic landing. 2003. KWR International: How to find a soft landing if China.. 2004. The Economist: The great fall of China? 2005. Nouriel Roubini: The Risk of a Hard Landing in China. 2006. International Economy: Can China Achieve a Soft Landing? 2007. TIME: Is China's Economy Overheating? Can China avoid a hard landing? 2008. Forbes: Hard Landing in China? 2009. Fortune: China's hard landing. China must find a way to recover. 2010. Nouriel Roubini: Hard landing coming in China. 2011. Business Insider: A Chinese Hard Landing May Be Closer Than You Think. 2012. American Interest: Dismal Economic News from China: A Hard Landing. 2013. Zero Hedge: A Hard Landing in China. 2014. CNBC: A hard landing in China. 2015. Forbes: Congratulations, You got Yourself A Chinese Hard Landing.... 2016. The Economist: Hard Landing looms for China. 2017. National Interest: Is China's Economy Going To Crash? 2018. The Daily Reckoning: China's Coming Financial Meltdown. ... But it's already 2019, and China's economy is still going strong. So doesn't that imply Western economist's predictions about China been proven consistently wrong for almost 30 years already?
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  18728.  @Andrew-ib7gs  Previously before the 1997, Hong Kong was under authoritarian British colonial rule, during which Hong Kong did not enjoy democracy and virtually no elections were held in Hong Kong while it was British colony. Only during the period of Hong Kong's 1997 handover back to mainland China that Hong Kong people finally get to vote in elections for their favourite leaders. So isn't it thanks to mainland China that Hong Kong people finally get democracy under the One Country, Two Systems Policy, when they had none before? For 150 years as a British colony? And how is Hong Kong not a democracy? What is the definition of democracy? That people get to vote in elections for their favourite leaders? Then Hong Kong is clearly a democracy, because Hong Kong pro-democracy group recently had a landslide victory in their last election, yet this Andrew guy insisted Hong Kong is not a democracy? How? Even Hong Kong Chief Executive Carrie Lam won the 2017 election, garnering 777-votes out of the 1200-member Election Committee. The Election Committee consists of entirely Hong Kong groups and Beijing does not cast any votes in Hong Kong's elections. None whatsoever. Therefore, I have shown that Hong Kong is a democracy, because the people of Hong Kong cast votes in their elections to elect their favorite leader, when Hong Kong was clearly not a democracy for 150 years as a British colony. I mean, how many elections did Hong Kong have prior to the 1997 handover compared to after? Hong Kong held more elections AFTER the 1997 handover than they ever did for 150 years as a British colony.
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  18789.  @johnnyrommel4113  You said: "You also refuse to acknowledge any of the aspects that show I’m human and not evil." Nobody said that being human automatically equates to not being evil. Humans ourselves have committed evil, it doesn't necessarily mean that just because one is human that s/he is not evil. Evil itself is a human construct and different people have different interpretations of evil. For example, I think the gunman who shot 8 people to death in Atlanta (6 of whom were Asian women) is evil, yet the Cherokee county officer Baker, tries to humanize the gunman, by claiming it wasn't racism, and that he was at the end of his rope, and he had a bad day. You said: "That’s why you don’t like me mentioning my family, it makes you think of me as a human being. You don’t want to think of me that way because you want to dehumanize me." No, I don't like you mentioning your family because it has nothing to do with the points I brought up. There's no way to even prove that you're married with kids, even if you were unmarried or had you marry someone of a different race, I couldn't care less, I'm talking about politics, not other people's family. But you keep on bringing your family into this argument, because you're unable to refute my points so you hope that you could use your family as a shield. But I did not resort hurling personal insults against your family, the most I did was ask whether they read a Forbes article or not. Yet you said I said your family is the Forbes family? How?
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  18800.  @johnnyrommel4113  I actually support the One Child Policy, I was merely highlighting that we Han have complaints, which you denied earlier when you said: "You forget that if you are Han, your are the "white guy" in China and thus have no complaints on the matter." In the past China was still dirt-poor country, suffering from high birth rate, high child malnutrition, high child mortality, high illiteracy and other population problems at that time. Why allow families in China to raise multiple kids, only for them to starve to death, succumb to childhood diseases, and having not enough food, not enough hospitals, and not enough schools to send them all to? Why not make families focus all available resources into raising a single, healthy kid into adulthood, and get him into a good school? According to World Bank, China's poverty rate fell from 88% in 1981 to a mere 0.7% in 2015. According to UNESCO, adult literacy rate in China increased from 65.5% in 1982 to a whopping 96.4% in 2015%. This is an impressive feat considering that China is world's most populous country, yet attaining 0.7% poverty and 96.4% literacy. Source: Poverty in China wikipedia.org/wiki/Poverty_in_China Source: Adult literacy in China 1982-2015 statista.com/statistics/271336/literacy-in-china Look at India, world's 2nd largest population country, and India is suffering from high birth rate, high child malnutrition, high child mortality, high illiteracy and other population problems that China once suffered from in the past.
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  18816.  @johnnyrommel4113  "神州 Shenzhou And now I know your are a kid. You imply with silence on the matter." I gave you an entire night to respond, but you won't even give me a couple of hours to respond, before claiming that I'm silent on the matter? Why are you so impatient while waiting for a response from me? Because of your ADHD? You said: "At least young enough to care about your image. I'm a POS dude. I dont care about my image too much." If you don't care about your image too much, then why do you keep on bringing your family into this argument with every opportunity, claiming that you're Caucasian marrying Chinese wife and so on? It's clear that you care about your image, you constantly try to preserve your image, even though I don't care. About recession, Westerners have long been predicting China's economic downfall. Here's a list: 1990. The Economist: China's economy has come to a halt. 1996. The Economist: China's economy will face hard landing. 1998. The Economist: China's economy entering a dangerous period of sluggish growth. 1999. Bank of Canada: Likelihood of a hard landing for the Chinese economy. 2000. Chicago Tribune: China currency move nails hard landing risk coffin. 2001. Wilbanks, Smith & Thomas: A hard landing in China. 2002. Westchester University: China Anxiously Seeks A Soft Economic landing. 2003. KWR International: How to find a soft landing if China.. 2004. The Economist: The great fall of China? 2005. Nouriel Roubini: The Risk of a Hard Landing in China. 2006. International Economy: Can China Achieve a Soft Landing? 2007. TIME: Is China's Economy Overheating? Can China avoid a hard landing? 2008. Forbes: Hard Landing in China? 2009. Fortune: China's hard landing. China must find a way to recover. 2010. Nouriel Roubini: Hard landing coming in China. 2011. Business Insider: A Chinese Hard Landing May Be Closer Than You Think. 2012. American Interest: Dismal Economic News from China: A Hard Landing. 2013. Zero Hedge: A Hard Landing in China. 2014. CNBC: A hard landing in China. 2015. Forbes: Congratulations, You got Yourself A Chinese Hard Landing.... 2016. The Economist: Hard Landing looms for China. 2017. National Interest: Is China's Economy Going To Crash? 2018. The Daily Reckoning: China's Coming Financial Meltdown. 2019. Zero Hedge: Seven Reasons Why China Is Facing A Hard Landing In 2019 ... But its already 2021, and China's economy is still going strong. So why continue to believe China's economy will fall, given that Western economist predictions about China's collapse been proven consistently wrong for almost 30 years already?
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  18823. Historical Predictions about China by Western journals: 1990. The Economist: China's economy has come to a halt 1996. The Economist: China's economy will face a hard landing 1998. The Economist: China's economy entering a dangerous period of sluggish growth 1999. Bank of Canada: Likelihood of a hard landing for the Chinese economy 2000. Chicago Tribune: China currency move nails hard landing risk coffin 2001. Wilbanks, Smith & Thomas: A hard landing in China 2002. Westchester University: China Anxiously Seeks a Soft Economic Landing 2003. New York Times: Banking crisis imperils China 2004. The Economist: The great fall of China? 2005. Nouriel Roubini: The Risk of a Hard Landing in China 2006. International Economy: Can China Achieve a Soft Landing? 2007. TIME: Is China's Economy Overheating? Can China avoid a hard landing? 2008. Forbes: Hard Landing In China? 2009. Fortune: China's hard landing. China must find a way to recover 2010: Nouriel Roubini: Hard landing coming in China 2011: Business Insider: A Chinese Hard Landing May Be Closer Than You Think 2012: American Interest: Dismal Economic News from China: A Hard Landing 2013: Zero Hedge: A Hard Landing In China 2014. CNBC: A hard landing in China 2015. Forbes: Congratulations, You Got Yourself A Chinese Hard Landing 2016. The Economist: Hard landing looms for China 2017. National Interest: Is China's Economy Going To Crash? 2018. The Daily Reckoning: China's Coming Financial Meltdown 2020. NYT: Coronavirus Could End China's Decades-Long Economic Growth Streak 2021 Bloomberg: Chinese economy risks deeper slowdown than markets realize 2022. Bloomberg: China Surprise Data Could Spell R-e-c-e-s-s-i-o-n 2023. Bloomberg: No word should be off-limits to describe China's faltering economy. ... Yet it's already 2024 and China's economy is still going strong.
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  18824. Western economists have been predicting China's economic downfall since 1990s. Here is a compiled list of what Western journalists have to say about China's economy. 1990. The Economist: China's economy has come to a halt. 1996. The Economist: China's economy will face hard landing. 1998. The Economist: China's economy entering a dangerous period of sluggish growth. 1999. Bank of Canada: Likelihood of a hard landing for the Chinese economy. 2000. Chicago Tribune: China currency move nails hard landing risk coffin. 2001. Wilbanks, Smith & Thomas: A hard landing in China. 2002. Westchester University: China Anxiously Seeks A Soft Economic landing. 2003. KWR International: How to find a soft landing if China.. 2004. The Economist: The great fall of China? 2005. Nouriel Roubini: The Risk of a Hard Landing in China. 2006. International Economy: Can China Achieve a Soft Landing? 2007. TIME: Is China's Economy Overheating? Can China avoid a hard landing? 2008. Forbes: Hard Landing in China? 2009. Fortune: China's hard landing. China must find a way to recover. 2010. Nouriel Roubini: Hard landing coming in China. 2011. Business Insider: A Chinese Hard Landing May Be Closer Than You Think. 2012. American Interest: Dismal Economic News from China: A Hard Landing. 2013. Zero Hedge: A Hard Landing in China. 2014. CNBC: A hard landing in China. 2015. Forbes: Congratulations, You got Yourself A Chinese Hard Landing.... 2016. The Economist: Hard Landing looms for China. At some point, you start to realize Western propaganda is just biased against Chinese economy that's all, and its predictions have been consistently proven wrong for almost 30 years. Yet you still think China's economy is going to collapse at any time?
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  18832. +Jay B And people like you still claim Chinese people aren't free at all... China has world's largest student population so the competition for top schools and higher education in China is extremely fierce and intense. Some students don't make it to local universities, so they travel to overseas universities to study. That's why your Western universities and higher education are flooded with international Chinese exchange students, much to the dismay of your local undergraduates. The Western jobs that could have gone to local graduates might end up going to the Chinese instead, and if Chinese overseas graduates can't find a job, they will always be welcome back to China. Either way, China wins, because Western university spots and jobs that would have otherwise gone to locals Western graduates, go to Chinese instead. If Chinese can't find a job overseas, then they can always return home, thus saving China the resources in educating the student as well as bringing foreign knowledge back with them. If they become Western citizens, well, then there's always a slight chance that they are planted Chinese spies. Who knows. I can't really see how you people are actually happy that Chinese students are flooding your local universities and taking up jobs and citizenship. If I were a Western student, I'll probably be resentful towards Chinese competition. And regarding history of dictatorship, look back even further. Democracy has a long history of failure. Athenian democracy failed, Spartan democracy failed, Greek democracy failed and the Republic of Rome failed. Modern Western democracy only has 100-200 years of history, so there's no guarantee that it will be survive. But China has 5000 years of history and is among the world's oldest 'continuous' civilization still alive today, whereas other great ancient civilizations like Mesopotamia, Rome and Egypt have since succumbed to history. Many other human societies followed a system where political power was concentrated in the hands of the few, whether its the nobles (aristocracy) or priests (theocracy) or kings and emperors (monarchy) This was because such people were educated and politically savvy to make important decisions regarding the countries future, whereas the peasants masses weren't. That's why such dictatorial/oligarchy systems were so prevalent, because they were stable and they worked! Fast forward to today, and in a democracy (or a republic) the ordinary people are mostly just not politically savvy or qualified to make important political decisions regarding the country's future. Look at Brexit for example, and the referendum decided that Britain should leave the European Union. Its because ordinary people mostly vote based on emotions, not logic and their votes carry weight while the minority smart people get outvoted. Therefore why can't China let the people who know how to govern govern?
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  18922. They've been saying that about China since 3 decades ago. 1990. The Economist: China's economy has come to a halt. 1996. The Economist: China's economy will face hard landing. 1998. The Economist: China's economy entering a dangerous period of sluggish growth. 1999. Bank of Canada: Likelihood of a hard landing for the Chinese economy. 2000. Chicago Tribune: China currency move nails hard landing risk coffin. 2001. Wilbanks, Smith & Thomas: A hard landing in China. 2002. Westchester University: China Anxiously Seeks A Soft Economic landing. 2003. KWR International: How to find a soft landing if China. 2004. The Economist: The great fall of China? 2005. Nouriel Roubini: The Risk of a Hard Landing in China. 2006. International Economy: Can China Achieve a Soft Landing? 2007. TIME: Is China's Economy Overheating? Can China avoid a hard landing? 2008. Forbes: Hard Landing in China? 2009. Fortune: China's hard landing. China must find a way to recover. 2010. Nouriel Roubini: Hard landing coming in China. 2011. Business Insider: A Chinese Hard Landing May Be Closer Than You Think. 2012. American Interest: Dismal Economic News from China: A Hard Landing. 2013. Zero Hedge: A Hard Landing in China. 2014. CNBC: A hard landing in China. 2015. Forbes: Congratulations, You got Yourself A Chinese Hard Landing.... 2016. The Economist: Hard Landing looms for China. 2017. National Interest: Is China's Economy Going To Crash? 2018. The Daily Reckoning: China's Coming Financial Meltdown. 2019. Zero Hedge: Seven Reasons Why China Is Facing A Hard Landing In 2019 2020. Forbes: Remember The China 'Hard Landing'? We Got One. 2021. Bloomberg: Chinese economy risks deeper slowdown than markets realize. 2022. Bloomberg: China Surprise Data Could Spell R-e-c-e-s-s-i-o-n. 2023. Bloomberg: No word should be off-limits to describe China's faltering economy. ... Yet it's already 2024 and China's economy is still going strong.
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  18923. 1990. China's economy has come to a halt. The Economist. 1996. China's economy will face a hard landing. The Economist. 1998. China's economy’s dangerous period of sluggish growth. The Economist. 1999. Likelihood of a hard landing for the Chinese economy. Bank of Canada. 2000. China currency move nails hard landing risk coffin. Chicago Tribune. 2001. A hard landing in China. Wilbanks, Smith & Thomas. 2002. China Seeks a Soft Economic Landing. Westchester University. 2003. Banking crisis imperils China. New York Times. 2004. The great fall of China? The Economist. 2005. The Risk of a Hard Landing in China. Nouriel Roubini. 2006. Can China Achieve a Soft Landing? International Economy. 2007. Can China avoid a hard landing? TIME. 2008. Hard Landing In China? Forbes. 2009. China's hard landing. China must find a way to recover. Fortune. 2010: Hard landing coming in China. Nouriel Roubini. 2011: Chinese Hard Landing Closer Than You Think. Business Insider. 2012: Economic News from China: Hard Landing. American Interest. 2013: A Hard Landing In China. Zero Hedge. 2014. A hard landing in China. CNBC. 2015. Congratulations, You Got Yourself A Chinese Hard Landing. Forbes. 2016. Hard landing looms for China. The Economist. 2017. Is China's Economy Going To Crash? National Interest. 2018. China's Coming Financial Meltdown. The Daily Reckoning. 2019. Seven Reasons Why China Is Facing A Hard Landing In 2019. Zero Hedge. 2020. Remember The China 'Hard Landing'? We Got One. Forbes. 2021. Chinese economy risks deeper slowdown than markets realize. Bloomberg. 2022. China Surprise Data Could Spell R-e-c-e-s-s-i-o-n. Bloomberg. 2023. No word should be off-limits to describe China's faltering economy. Bloomberg. 2024. China's Economy Slump Is Here to Stay. The Economist. ... (Thanks to Cyrus for providing the headline for 2024.)
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  19028. Here's western economist's headline China's economy since 1990. 1990. The Economist: China's economy has come to a halt. 1996. The Economist: China's economy will face a hard landing. 1998. The Economist: China's economy entering a dangerous period of sluggish growth. 1999. Bank of Canada: Likelihood of a hard landing for the Chinese economy. 2000. Chicago Tribune: China currency move nails hard landing risk coffin. 2001. Wilbanks, Smith & Thomas: A hard landing in China. 2002. Westchester University: China Anxiously Seeks a Soft Economic Landing. 2003. New York Times: Banking crisis imperils China. 2004. The Economist: The great fall of China? 2005. Nouriel Roubini: The Risk of a Hard Landing in China. 2006. International Economy: Can China Achieve a Soft Landing? 2007. TIME: Is China's Economy Overheating? Can China avoid a hard landing? 2008. Forbes: Hard Landing In China? 2009. Fortune: China's hard landing. China must find a way to recover. 2010. Nouriel Roubini: Hard landing coming in China. 2011. Business Insider: A Chinese Hard Landing May Be Closer Than You Think. 2012: American Interest: Dismal Economic News from China: A Hard Landing. 2013. Zero Hedge: A Hard Landing In China. 2014. CNBC: A hard landing in China. 2015. Forbes: Congratulations, You Got Yourself A Chinese Hard Landing. 2016. The Economist: Hard landing looms for China. 2017. National Interest: Is China's Economy Going To Crash. 2018. The Daily Reckoning: China's Coming Financial Meltdown. 2019. BBC: China's Economic Slowdown: How worried should we be? 2020. New York Times: Coronavirus Could End China's Decades-Long Economic Growth Streak. 2021. Bloomberg: Chinese economy risks deeper slowdown than markets realize. 2022. Bloomberg: China Surprise Data Could Spell RECESSION. 2023. Bloomberg: No word should be off-limits to describe China's faltering economy. ... Yet the fact is that China's economy grew 5% in 2024. You're telling me you believe those headlines about China's economy?
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  19137.  @thetruth5011  Many countries have adapted Chinese food to suit their tastes. For example: American Chinese cuisine has General Tso's chicken, Chop Suey, Crab Rangoon, etc. Australian Chinese cuisine has Lemon Chicken, Chow Sam See, Mustard Prawns, etc. Canadian Chinese cuisine has _Ginger Beef, Newfoundland Chow Mein, Thunder Bay Bon Bons, etc. Caribbean Chinese cuisine has Cha Chee Kai, Jerk Chow Mein, Char Siu Pork Dhalpouri, etc. Filipino Chinese cuisine has Batchoy (肉脆), Hopia (好餅), Kiampong (鹹飯) etc. Indian Chinese cuisine has Manchurian Mutton, Jalfrezi Chicken, Hunan Chicken, etc. Japanese Chinese cuisine has Ramen (拉麺), Chashu (叉燒), Mābō-dōfu (麻婆豆腐), etc. Korean Chinese cuisine has Jajangmyeon (炸酱面), Jjamppong (焖面), Tangsuyuk (糖醋肉), etc. ... and many other countries have their own version of Chinese cuisine adapted to local tastes. Sources: American Chinese cuisine wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Chinese_cuisine Australian Chinese cuisine wikipedia.org/wiki/Australian_Chinese_cuisine Canadian Chinese cuisine wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian-Chinese_cuisine Caribbean Chinese cuisine wikipedia.org/wiki/Caribbean_Chinese_cuisine Filipino Chinese cuisine wikipedia.org/wiki/Filipino_Chinese_cuisine Indian Chinese cuisine wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_Chinese_cuisine Indonesian Chinese cuisine wikipedia.org/wiki/Indonesian_Chinese_cuisine Japanese Chinese cuisine wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_Chinese_cuisine Korean Chinese cuisine wikipedia.org/wiki/Korean_Chinese_cuisine Malaysian Chinese cuisine wikipedia.org/wiki/Malaysian_Chinese_cuisine Pakistan Chinese cuisine wikipedia.org/wiki/Pakistani_Chinese_cuisine Puerto Rican Chinese cuisine wikipedia.org/wiki/Puerto_Rican_Chinese_cuisine
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  19184. 1990. The Economist. China's economy has come to a halt 1996. The Economist. China's economy will face a hard landing 1998. The Economist: China's economy entering a dangerous period of sluggish growth 1999. Bank of Canada: Likelihood of a hard landing for the Chinese economy 2000. Chicago Tribune: China currency move nails hard landing risk coffin 2001. Wilbanks, Smith & Thomas: A hard landing in China 2002. Westchester University: China Anxiously Seeks a Soft Economic Landing 2003. New York Times: Banking crisis imperils China 2004. The Economist: The great fall of China? 2005. Nouriel Roubini: The Risk of a Hard Landing in China 2006. International Economy: Can China Achieve a Soft Landing? 2007. TIME: Is China's Economy Overheating? Can China avoid a hard landing? 2008. Forbes: Hard Landing In China? 2009. Fortune: China's hard landing. China must find a way to recover 2010: Nouriel Roubini: Hard landing coming in China 2011: Business Insider: A Chinese Hard Landing May Be Closer Than You Think 2012: American Interest: Dismal Economic News from China: A Hard Landing 2013: Zero Hedge: A Hard Landing In China 2014. CNBC: A hard landing in China 2015. Forbes: Congratulations, You Got Yourself A Chinese Hard Landing 2016. The Economist: Hard landing looms for China 2017. National Interest: Is China's Economy Going To Crash? 2018. The Daily Reckoning. China's Coming Financial Meltdown 2020. NYT. Coronavirus Could End China's Decades-Long Economic Growth Streak 2021 Bloomberg. Chinese economy risks deeper slowdown than markets realize 2022. Bloomberg China Surprise Data Could Spell R-e-c-e-s-s-i-o-n 2023. Bloomberg. No word should be off-limits to describe China's faltering economy ... Yet it's already 2024 and China's economy is still going strong.
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  19292. +Dan Neutron Kublai Khan called his empire "Yuan dynasty China" not "Mongolian Empire" so it was clear that he had embraced Chinese culture and abandoned his own. During his reign, Mongolians were nomadic tribesmen and know nothing about growing food, so Chinese farmers feed the empire. Mongols know nothing of running an empire as large as China, so Chinese bureaucrats took over the daily affairs. Thus, Yuan dynasty is as much Chinese civilization as it is part of China. According to en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qing_dynasty "The Manchus identified their state as "China" (中國, Zhōngguó; "Middle Kingdom"), and the emperors equated the lands of the Qing state (including present-day Northeast China, Xinjiang, Mongolia, Tibet and other areas) as "China" in both the Chinese and Manchu languages, defining China as a multi-ethnic state, and rejecting the idea that "China" only meant Han areas. The first compasses were made of lodestone, a naturally magnetized ore of iron, in Han dynasty China between 300 and 200 BC. The earliest chemical formula for gunpowder appeared in the 11th century Song dynasty text, Wujing Zongyao. Han Chinese have always lived in the lands constituting China today. Besides China is multi-ethnic, and not just Han Chinese only. Tibetans, Ugyghurs, Mongolians and Manchu people living in China are some of China's 50+ recognized ethnic groups. Crossbows were in use in China since Qin dynasty. We know this because we have found bronze crossbow triggers in Qin Emperor's tomb, when the other parts like wood and string have long since rotted away. If you come to Xi'An to visit the tombs, you can find them on display. Even if modern paper is exactly the same as in ancient China, paper's use in China is what laid the foundation for paper's widespread use today. Papyrus and other materials had died out due to competition with Chinese paper. Also Chinese invented paper banknote so that people today don't have to carry around precious metals as currency, which revolutionized trade.
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  19307.  @Bitchslapper316  "The atrocities carried out by the German Nazi's didn't come to light until the later years of the war..." Likewise, it's possible that the atrocities committed by Ukrainian neo-Nazis won't come to light until long after this Russo-Ukraine conflict has reached its conclusion, of which most likely is a Russian victory, as long as NATO does not militarily intervene. Also, it doesn't change the fact that the Allies used Nazism as a legitimate excuse to justify their war with Germany during WWII, then can't Russia do the same for Ukraine? "Nato expansion is another lie from the bag of excuses" NATO has literally expanded into 13 countries. NATO was initially formed in response to rising Soviet military might, but after the USSR dissolution in 1991, NATO no longer serves any interests, except perhaps the U.S interests in maintaining their hegemonic rule. About Putin's quote, that's because at one point in time, Russia actually wanted to join NATO and help defend Europe from external threats. But NATO just snubbed Russia's entry, then for what purpose does NATO serve, except the U.S interests? The ironic thing is that a country from across the Pacific Ocean (i.e USA) can join NATO, yet Europe's largest country, Russia is excluded from joining NATO? "Some potential reasons for the invasion? 1) Vast oil and gas reserves were found in the Donbas regions." Russia already has more gas and oil than they even know what to do with. For what reason would Russia want more oil? "2) Land route across Ukraine to and from Europe and the black sea where most of the Russian imports and exports go." Crimea is already part of Russia since the 2014 referendum, granting Russia to access the Black Sea through Sevastopol. "3) Armament of Ukraine and hitting them while they still can. They don't want a neighbor that can stand up to them." Ukraine cannot stand up to Russia even before this conflict began. I mean, Ukrainian army is using Soviet-era weaponry, whereas Russia's Army manufactures its own weapons. But Ukraine has been steadily receiving NATO weapons (despite Ukraine not being a NATO member) all this time, so there's some credence to Putin wanting reassurances that Ukraine would not be allowed to join NATO. "4) The largest amount of fertile farming land on the entire Asian continent." Russia is the world's largest exporter of wheat, for what reason does Russia need more fertile farming land in Ukraine? "5) The largest supply of rare earth minerals in Europe." Russia is the largest country in the world by land area, they have more land than what they even know to do with. Doesn't it make more sense to harness Russia's own untapped resources, rather than have a military intervention in Ukraine for rare earth minerals? ... All in all, your 5 reasons don't seem to justify Russia's need for a special military operation in Ukraine. However, Nazism still leaves an impact on Russians (the Soviet Union lost the most people during WWII against the Nazis) so it's in Russia's security interests that Ukraine doesn't become a breeding ground for fascism. "No one wants to spend their tax dollars and blood so the companies owned by Putin and the oligarchs can make a fortune..." Excuse me but which Russian oligarch has made a fortune over this military operation? NATO sanctions are targeting Russian oligarchs and seizing their property, their yachts, banning their football clubs, etc, what fortune are the Russian oligarchs making? Over $300 billion in Russian foreign reserves have been seized by the West, and Western corporations like McDonald's, Facebook, etc, are pulling out of Russia, how is this making money for those rich Russians?
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  19450.  SS3 Super  China has 5000 years of history and is among the world's oldest "continuous" civilization still alive today, whereas other ancient civilizations like Mesopotamia, Rome and Egypt have since succumbed to history. China has witnessed the birth and death of various other nations, the rise and fall of numerous other empires, yet China has survived the violent passage of time to modern times relatively intact, whereas even Rome eventually crumbled. China has always been under the authoritarian rule (and we still are today) of emperors and the imperial court, because that's how China has been successfully governed for millennia. Not all countries have to adopt Western democracy to be successful and China is living proof of this. Chinese are free to travel overseas for work, study or play. I mean, Everyone has heard of Chinese tourists visiting your countries and spending money on your economies. Western schools and universities are positively flooded with Chinese international students, studying the same topics as their peers and Chinese investors are buying up property in your lands. Source: China has world's most outbound tourists nationthailand.com/travel/30355861 Source: China is now world's biggest source of international students scmp.com/news/china/society/article/1797429/china-now-worlds-biggest-source-international-students-more So what makes you think Chinese people aren't free? Chinese can be found virtually all over the globe today, since we make up 20% of the world's population after all.
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  19481.  @ĎẹĵäPüĥ  You said you're a student of history, then you should know that for the past 1000-2000 years of human history, people have traditionally gravitated towards authoritarian/oligarchic systems of government. Political power was oftentimes not in the hands of the masses, instead it was concentrated in the hands of the few elites, be it nobles (aristocracy), priests (theocracy), or kings and emperors (monarchy). Such authoritarian/oligarchic systems are prevalent throughout the world, because they were stable and frankly because they worked. The elites were oftentimes well-educated and politically savvy enough to make important decisions regarding the country's future, while the ignorant masses were kept far away from politics. Whereas frankly speaking, democracy has a long history of failure. Athenian democracy failed, Spartan democracy failed, Greek democracy failed, even the Republic of Rome eventually crumbled. These proto-democracies weren't successful and democracy wasn't even popular outside of Greece throughout the ancient world, most ancient nations were authoritarian/oligarchic. Even modern liberal democracy only has a history of 100-200 years, so it's not automatically guaranteed to be successful in the long term. China has 5000 years of history and is among the world's oldest "continuous" civilization still alive today, whereas other ancient civilizations like Mesopotamia, Rome and Egypt have since succumbed to history. China has witnessed the birth and death of various other nations, the rise and fall of numerous other empires, yet China has survived the violent passage of time to modern times relatively intact, whereas even Rome eventually crumbled. China has always been under the authoritarian rule (and we still are today) of emperors and the imperial court, because that's how China has been successfully governed for millennia. Not all countries have to adopt Western democracy to be successful and China is living proof of this.
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  19569.  @tonypeterson5316  You said: "神州 Shenzhou Do u actually believe China was doing well under Chairman Mao's" Under Mao Zedong, China nearly doubled in population from 540 million in 1949 to 969 million in 1979. China's Life Expectancy (at birth) under Mao nearly doubled from 35–40 years in 1949 to 65.5 years in 1980, and is among the most rapid sustained increases in documented global history (Banister and Preston 1981; Ashton et al. 1984; Coale1984; Jamison 1984; Banister 1987; Ravallion 1997; Banister and Hill 2004). Infant mortality rates under Mao was halved, and illiteracy rates nearly halved under Mao. By 1959, illiteracy rates among youth and adults (ages twelve to 40) had fallen from 80% to 43%. Therefore, I believe China was doing well under Chairman Mao according to the statistics gleamed from that era. But many Westerners hardly know of Mao's contributions, they only know a one-sided view of Mao that's all. Also, like I said, the 5-year plans were conceived during the Mao era, but a term limit was introduced between 1982 and 2018, and with the abolishment of term limits in 2018, China is in fact returning to the fundamentals of how the 5-year plan policies were meant to be carried out. You said: "Tell me, really, how has China become less capitalist since Xi took over?" Capitalism favors monopolies, that's why American monopolies like Apple, Google, Facebook, Amazon dominate their respective industries, having eliminated the competition from other smaller American firms. This process also stifles innovation through competition. China has anti-monopoly policies cracking down on anti-competitive practices in Alibaba, Tencent, DiDi, etc, so as to "free up market space" to allow smaller Chinese firms to rise and compete with the bigger companies, while allowing innovation through competition.
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  19572.  @tonypeterson5316  You said: "The main reason why China's population went up so much was because the civil war had ended." And just who brought the Chinese Civil War to an end? Chairman Mao Zedong is the founding father of the People's Republic of China 🇨🇳 that succeeded in the herculean task of reunifying our divided country, where the previous Nationalist Kuomintang failed during the Republic of China 🇹🇼 (1914-1949) for 37 years. Back when Sun Zhongshan overthrew Qing Dynasty China and established "democratic" ROC, China was fragmented into several parts, we lost control of Tibet, and various warlords ruled different parts of China. In the end, Dr. Sun died without ever realizing a unified China under democracy. But then Mao Zedong came along, and together with the communists, he succeeded in what the previous KMT failed, which is the reunification of China, proclaiming the PRC in 1949. Tibet was eventually liberated and returned back to China in 1952, so if it weren't for Chairman Mao Zedong, China would most likely still be the weak and divided country ruled by warlords, fighting among ourselves instead of the strong and reunified country we are today. You said: "I am not anti Mao or anything, I just think he had failed running China's economy." You clearly are anti-Mao. All I did was list statistics indicating China nearly doubling in population, nearly doubling in life expectancy, nearly halving adult illiteracy rates, under Mao Zedong, and your response was to label me "delusional" then why pretend that you're not anti-Mao when you clearly are? You said: "US and Europe all have anti trust laws to prevent monopoly." Those anti trust laws in US and Europe do not work to curb monopolies, that's why American monopolies like Apple, Google, Amazon, Facebook, dominate their respective industries, having eliminated the competition from smaller American firms. You said: "Do u actually think Tencent and Alibaba are any different?" Nope, but at least China's government is doing it's best to crack down on anti-competitive practices in China, targeting Alibaba, Tencent, Didi, and so on. Take smartphones for example, and China has produced many successful smartphone brands like Huawei, Xiaomi, ZTE, Vivo, Lenovo, Realme, and so on. Top 10 Mobile Phone Brands in World 2022 Rank 1. Samsung (South Korean) Rank 2. Apple (American) Rank 3. Xiaomi (Chinese) Rank 4. Oppo (Chinese) Rank 5. Vivo (Chinese) Rank 6. Realme (Chinese) Rank 7. Motorola Mobility (Lenovo) (Chinese) Rank 8. Huawei (Chinese) Rank 9. Transsion (Tecno, Itel) (Chinese) Rank 10. Honor (Chinese) ... Source:mbaskool.com/fun-corner/top-brand-lists/17610-top-10-global-mobile-phone-brands.html You said: "The fact is, if it wasn't for Deng's acceptance of Capitalism's " I've already acknowledged it, I just pointed out that Deng's policies also lead to increased income inequality between the rich and the poor, so President Xi is attempting to correct the ills of capitalism by promoting common prosperity. You said: "I mean, can u actually name one pure socialist country that was actually successful, economically?" Vietnam (aka The Socialist Republic of Vietnam) is rather successful economically for a socialist country.
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  19573.  @tonypeterson5316  "神州 Shenzhou What kind of excuse it that? So if a Chinese leader's goal is to make China's GDP 5 times bigger than America's, then he can stay in power for as long as he want? 😂" If said Chinese leader has demonstrated competence and is able to successfully deliver upon his promises to the people, then I see no reason why he couldn't be allowed to stay in power in order to maximize the benefits he'll bring to China. I mean, competent leaders are hard to come by. Why should a clearly competent leader, be forced to step down because of term limits? Why not let a competent leader continue leading and delivering? This is a continuation of the Chinese political philosophy of the Mandate of Heaven (天命 "Heaven's Will") It basically means that a competent leader is allowed to remain in power, while an incompetent leader will eventually be overthrown through rebellion. If a rebellion was successful, it meant the leader lost the Mandate of Heaven, but if a rebellion fails and was crushed , it meant the leader retained the mandate. (A point to note is that there are no term limits in this Chinese political philosophy.) You said: "With regards to the TPP issue that u mentioned, I think it's very unreasonable to use that as an example for China." Could you elaborate why you think that is so? The TPP issue is an example of a potentially long-term policy that was derailed due to Obama having to step down (because of term limits) and Trump coming into power and reversing Obama's policies. Can you imagine the same scenario happening in China with the Belt and Road Initiative being derailed because of a change in leadership?
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  19575.  @tonypeterson5316  You said: "The way how China picks its leader is very different from America." Of course. China is a meritocracy where officials who are able to deliver progress and development get promoted on the basis of merit, while getting demoted/penalized if they fail to deliver. This stems from the Chinese imperial examinations of the past (China literally invented exams). President Xi Jinping has at least 30-40 years of political experience under his belt, having accumulating the experience while governing different provinces of China. This is why many Chinese feel that Xi is qualified and competent enough to be China's leader. On the other hand, Donald Trump was elected in 2016 even though Trump had zero political experience, and his path to power was based on harnessing populism. It happened once in American politics, therefore it can happen again. Joe Biden was elected for the simple reason that Biden is not Trump, that's all. Who knows, in 2024 if Biden doesn't win his reelection, we might see the return of Trump (or another Trump-like figure). But the two countries system are clearly different, and I don't see how China should copy U.S system. China should pursue a form of government that best matches China's political philosophy, not just blindly adopt Western-style democracy, because Westerners say so. You said: "USA is different, their leaders are elected by the voters, and they have two different parties, that's why they will encounter situations like that." That's why U.S system is not suitable for China, because China would not be able to carry out 20-year, 30-year, 40-year plans if our leaders can just switch like that. You said: "So what if the BRI project takes more than 100 years to complete? Does that mean Xi should stay in power until he dies?" If Xi is able to continue to deliver on his promises, then why can't he remain in power? I've elaborated on this point plenty of times already, but it just seems that you cannot accept an alternative point of view that differs from yours. You said: "Honestly, all he needs to do is to find a successor that will follow the same path as him." Perhaps he will in time, but right now is not the right time to appoint a successor. His successor should be able to understand Xi's political philosophy as to be able to emulate it, while possibly introduce necessary changes in the future if new challenges are faced.
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  19576.  @tonypeterson5316  "神州 Shenzhou Increase in population is an achievement? Are u really that desperate?" More of your incessant questions and insults? It's more than just the nearly doubling of China's population, it's the nearly doubling in China's life expectancy at birth under Mao, it's the cutting of China's adult illiteracy rate to half. But it appears that you're simply unable to accept any of Mao's contributions to China, so why pretend that you're not anti-Mao when you clearly are? You said: "So are u saying Xi is doing horrible because the population growth had slowed dramatically?" No, I never said that! All I did was state the fact that under Chairman Mao Zedong, China's population nearly doubled, life expectancy nearly doubled, etc, how did that morph to become Xi is doing horrible because of population growth slowing? Also, China's population is still increasing even as we speak, from 1.412 billion (2021) to 1.452 (2022) You said: "How can those be "achievements" if the economy was disastrous?" Because at the very least, China's life expectancy was nearly doubling, it meant that the quality of life was improving in China, how is it not an achievement? Infant Mortality rate was plummeting and adult illiteracy nearly halved from 80% to 42% under Mao. Also, China's economy was still growing during period under Mao Zedong. You said: "Can u prove to me that China's economy was doing well at that time?" More of your endless questions for me to answer. Here's statistics for China's Historical GDP under Mao (from 1952 - 1980) Year: GDP in USD 1952: 30.55 billion 1953: 31.66 billion 1954: 33.02 billion 1955: 35.01 billion 1956: 39.58 billion ... ... 1977: 174.94 billion 1978: 218.5 billion 1979: 263.7 billion 1980: 306.17 billion ... Source: Historical GDP of China wikipedia.org/wiki/Historical_GDP_of_China Therefore, China's GDP grew from 30 billion in 1952 to 300 billion in 1980 while under Mao Zedong.
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  19577.  @tonypeterson5316  You said: "Why the hell did they impose the "1 child policy" if things were doing so great?" More of your vulgarities and endless questions. The One Child Policy was introduced because China's population was growing at a rate that could potentially threaten China's ability to sustain such a huge population growth. It is precisely because the quality of life in China was increasing that's why population control measures were needed at that time. You said: "Are u telling me the "Great Chinese Famine" from 1959 to 1961 was an achievement?" The Great Chinese Famine from 1959 to 1961 was caused by bad weather conditions like flood and drought, causing destruction of crops and resulting in poor harvests and mass starvation. Even Mao Zedong himself couldn't control the weather isn't it? And even if he somehow could, he would have wished for fair weather and bountiful harvests, because he wanted to make China strong enough to resist foreign imperialism. You said: "Do u prefer seeing China to go back to Mao's period?" Given that China today has immensely more wealth than we had during Mao's period, it would be a step in the right direction if President Xi follows some of Mao's principles to help tackle the growing income inequality and to perhaps redistribute China's prosperity more evenly to the less developed regions of China. President Xi even praised Mao in his Xi Jinping Thought. In his 2013 speech, Xi argued it is "Marxism–Leninism and Mao Zedong Thought that guided the Chinese people out of the darkness of that long night and established a New China." And, as to the future, "the consolidation and development of the socialist system will require its own long period of history... it will require the tireless struggle of generations, up to ten generations." Source:wikipedia.org/wiki/Xi_Jinping_Thought#Socialism_with_Chinese_characteristics You said: "If that's not being delusional I dunno what is. That is not an insult, it's just honesty." It's not me being delusional, it's you being unable to accept an alternative point of view. I have been patiently answering your questions to the best of my ability, citing data where necessarily and presenting it to you in a rational manner. However, your response was to hurl verbal insults against me for my views, repeatedly calling me delusional instead of refuting my points.
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  19580.  @tonypeterson5316  You said: "The KMT was defeated because they had already lost many troops in the war against the Japanese." After the Japanese surrendered in 1945, the KMT had a strength of 2 million (regular), 2.3 million (militia) (June 1946). Whereas the communists had a strength of 1.2 million (regular), 2.6 million (militia) (July 1945) according to this source:wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_Civil_War So whichever way you look at it, the KMT still outnumber the communists even after 1945. And mind you, this was after the Japanese had surrendered at the end of WWII, so there was no more fighting the Japanese. Yet despite this numerical superiority, the KMT still lost the mainland to communists and had to flee to Taiwan. Did you know that when the KMT fled the mainland, the KMT leader Chiang kai-shek transferred China's gold reserves from Shanghai to Taipei? This injection of capital helped kickstart Taiwan's economy, while leaving the mainland in ruins after years of civil strife. This is one reason why mainland China was dirt-poor at the beginning, because of civil strife and plundering of China's resources. Estimates of how much was moved differ between sources, ranging from between 113.6 and 115.2 tons. The _Archives of Gold published in 2010 by Dr. Wu Sing-yung outlines how his father (head of finance for the KMT government) helped to mastermind the operation that saw more than 4 million taels of gold moved from Shanghai to Taiwan. One tael is 37.2 grams._ Source: How One Man Took China’s Gold etf.com/sections/features-and-news/5210-how-one-man-took-chinas-gold You said: "I just said I am not anti Mao, so do u want me to be anti Mao? 😂" Your words clearly do not correspond with your claim that you're not anti-Mao. I mean, you've constantly dismissing Mao's contributions, and disregarding them as "achievements" then what more needs to be said about your clearly anti-Mao stance? It was Mao Zedong that succeeded in the herculean task of reunifying our divided country. Not even the previous KMT administration achieved the degree of reunification of China that the communists did under Mao, how is this not an achievement? If not for Mao Zedong, China today would most likely still be ruled by warlords controlling various parts of China, instead of the strong and reunified country we are today. You said: "Ppl like u are just making a fool out of yourself by turning Mao into a cult." Look, I've been giving reasons and elaborating upon my position, quoting various data, statistics, and various other figures to support my arguments where possible, yet all you've done is dismiss my viewpoint, repeatedly calling me "delusional" just because my views happen to differ from yours. Who is the one truly making a fool out of himself here?
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  19584.  @tonypeterson5316  "神州 Shenzhou Dude, u thought Mao was the leader of China from 1977 to 1980, clearly proves how little u know about the real Chinese history." Deng Xiaoping's economic reforms only began in the late 1970s, so technically China was still under Mao's policies until 1980 at the very least. Yet it is undeniable that China's GDP grew under Mao from 30 billion in 1953 to 300 billion in 1980 , but it's apparent that you refuse to admit it, because you're blatantly anti-Mao in your views. Anyone who presents an alternative view or brings up Mao's contributions to China is automatically considered "delusional" by you, then who is the one making a fool of himself here? You said: "Like I said earlier, I never denied Mao's warfare capability, it's his economic model that had failed." Remember, if not for Mao's warfare capability resulting in putting an end to the civil war, it's unlikely that economic policies could continue if China was constantly in civil strife. Ending the civil war was also what lead to China's population nearly doubling, life expectancy nearly doubling, adult illiteracy halving, and so on. You said: "But some how u still won't admit it, clearly proves u r just turning him into a cult." What sort of cultist explains his stance using rational logic, citing data and statistics? On the other hand, the one who resorts to verbal insults, calling others delusional just for harboring a different point of view, while dismissing anything that doesn't fit his narrative, while still proclaiming not to be anti-Mao, isn't such behavior typical of a cultist? You said: "Just copy and paste things out of Wikipedia doesn't make u a knowledgable person." Look, you're the one asking for proof here, yet when I cite actual proof, you dismiss them and claim it doesn't make one knowledgeable? Who is the one making a fool of himself here?
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  19591.  @tonypeterson5316  "神州 Shenzhou Didn't I say Mao was capable in warfare combat? That's not a praise?" No, you said: "Besides, he (Mao) doesn't even deserve all the credit for ending the civil war." and "so of course Mao doesn't deserve all the credit." are clearly examples of you refusing to give credit to Mao where credit is due. You said: "Just because I am not as delusional as u, that doesn't mean I hate him." It seems that insults is the only thing you are capable of, towards people who hold a different point of view. And it's apparent from your words that you hate Mao, why pretend you aren't anti-Mao when you clearly are? You said: "But even if he defeated the KMT party, that only benefited him and the party, not really the country." Mao Zedong and the communists chasing KMT out of the mainland to Taiwan is what put an end to the civil war so how does that not benefit the country? Mao and the communists ended decades of civil strife, so that China can finally begin picking up the pieces of our ruined homeland, how is that not a benefit? You said: "The KMT party was the one that defeated the Qing government and moved the country forward." The communists were the ones who defeated the KMT in the mainland and put an end to the civil war and moved the country forward. If not for Mao, China under the KMT would most likely still under civil strife, ruled by various warlords governing different parts of our country, how is that "moving the country forward?" You said: "That's a much bigger achievement!" The reunification of China under Mao and the ending of the civil war in the mainland is a far bigger achievement than the what the KMT did. KMT tried for 37 years (1912-1949) but they were unsuccessful in reunifying China and putting an end to the civil strife.
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  19592.  @tonypeterson5316  You said: "They were the ones fighting the Japanese, not Mao nor his party." Actually, when the Japanese invaded Manchuria in 1931, the KMT leader, Generalissimo Chiang kai-Shek, was reluctant to meet the invaders head-on, instead he continued purging communists (our fellow Chinese brethren) instead of repelling the foreign invaders. Until two of his subordinates, Generals Zhang Xueliang and Yang Hucheng, had to kidnap Chiang in order to force the KMT to switch its priority to fighting the Japanese. This incident is known as the Xi'an Incident (西安事变) Source: Xi'an Incident wikipedia.org/wiki/Xi%27an_Incident Many young officers in the Northeast Army demanded Chiang be killed, but it was thanks to communist goodwill by Zhou Enlai and Lin Boqu, who arrived in Xi'an to negotiate for Chiang's release. Only then was Chiang willing to form a united front with the communists against the Japanese invaders. You said: "Sun Yat-Sen is the real father of China, Mao is the father of CPC." Dr Sun Zhongshan is the founding father of the Republic of China 🇹🇼 (1912-1949), while Chairman Mao Zedong is the founding father of the People's Republic of China 🇨🇳. Both figures are respected as the fathers of modern China among Chinese people, but like I said, Mao's achievements include putting an end to the decades long civil strife, in which even the KMT administration were unable to achieve, and finally reunifying our divided country. But because you are clearly anti-Mao in your views, you simply refuse to give credit to Mao where credit is due. You said: "U r clearly brainwashed by the cult of Mao, it's getting hilarious." I've provided data and statistics to support my stance, whereas you've constantly dismissed my sources, called me "delusional" (and now "brainwashed") just because my views happen to differ from yours. You said: "Every economist knows that it was Deng's reform that opened up the Chinese market and lifted millions out of poverty." Yes, I've never denied that, I clearly said earlier that China's economy flourished under 2-term policy, but capitalism also introduced problems such as growing income inequality between the rich and poor in China. But at the same time, I was pointing out China's achievements under Mao, such as putting an end to civil strife, which paved the war for China's economic recovery after the horrors of war. You said: "Even Xi is using this model instead of Mao's." Indeed. But President Xi also praised Mao in his Xi Jinping Thought. In his 2013 speech, Xi argued it is "Marxism–Leninism and Mao Zedong Thought that guided the Chinese people out of the darkness of that long night and established a New China." And, as to the future, "the consolidation and development of the socialist system will require its own long period of history... it will require the tireless struggle of generations, up to ten generations." ... Source:wikipedia.org/wiki/Xi_Jinping_Thought#Socialism_with_Chinese_characteristics
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  19594.  @tonypeterson5316  Look, all that you've basically done is ask an endless volumes of questions, one after another. I've taken the time to answer you questions, citing data and statistics to prove my point, but you just sudden resort to labeling me delusional just for presenting an opposing point of view. Yet the irony is that you claim that you're not anti-Mao, when it's evident from your words that you clearly are, so why pretend that you're not anti-Mao? Even your earlier points about term limits, I've argued that the 5-year plans strategy were conceived during Chairman Mao era, during which there was no term limits. Term limits were introduced in 1982 but were abolished in 2018, and I've listed reasons why the government voted to abolish it. But again, you simply can't wrap your mind around a different point of view, so you started bringing up Mao Zedong era to give voice to your anti-Mao stance. Also, President Xi is only entering his 3rd term, whereas Angela Merkel served a 4th and would have probably gone on to serve a 5th if she didn't voluntarily withdrew as a candidate in the next German election. Such long-serving leaders accumulate a wealth of political experience over the years, and it would be a shame if such competent leaders were forced to step down because of term limits. But from your point of view, you said: "It just makes completely no sense not to have term limits. It's common sense. Being delusional won't get u no where." so you are you calling the Germans delusional for not having term limits?
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  19595.  @tonypeterson5316  "神州 Shenzhou So where was Mao and his army when the Japanese invaded?" Like I said earlier, when the Japanese invaded Manchuria, the KMT leader Chiang kai-shek did not meet the invaders head-on, instead he continued purging communists and so Mao Zedong and the communists were busy trying to survive extinction through tactical retreats such as the Long March. Source:wikipedia.org/wiki/Long_March You said: "Every "real" history book, not those TV dramas made by the CPC, and historians will tell u that it was the KMT that fought against the Japanese, not the Communist." The communists had smaller forces than the Japanese, so they resorted to tactics that allow a smaller force to take on a larger force, such as guerrilla tactics. Many KMT Generals and officers rarely take the lead, instead they actively escape and led ordinary KMT soldiers die for them. Whereas the Communist generals often led the charge and many have sustained grievous injuries. There are 12 communist generals missing an arm in CPC: He Bingyan(贺炳炎), Peng Shaohui(彭绍辉), Yu Qiuli(余秋里), Yan Fusheng(晏福生), Zhuo Qi(左齐), Zhu Shengda(朱声达), Su Lu(苏鲁), Chen Bo(陈波), Peng Shousheng(彭寿生), Peng Qingyun(彭清云), Tong Yansheng(童炎生), Liao Zhengguo(廖政国). There's 1 communist general with broken feet: Zhong Chibing(钟赤兵). Another *7 communist generals and 1 Marshal are missing one eye*: Liu Bocheng(刘伯承), Li Zuopeng(李作鹏), Zhou Chunquan(周纯全), Zhao Rong(赵熔), Xu Binzhou(徐斌洲), Shi Zhiben(石志本), He Qingji(贺庆积), Li Wenqing(李文清) These are the serious scars suffered by communist leaders, but if you look at the KMT generals, they all have their eyes and limbs intact, despite "fighting" the Japanese for 8 years longer.
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  19596.  @tonypeterson5316  You said: "So why doesn't Xi adopt Mao's economic model then?" Xi is adopting certain aspects, such as abolishing the term limits. During the Mao era, there were no term limits for the presidency, and term limits were introduced in 1982 and abolished in 2018. This shows that the communist party is returning to how the 5-year plans policy were originally conceived where there were no term limits in place, so isn't this a return to one aspect of Mao Zedong era? You said: "Clearly proves Mao's economic model had flaws..." Of course every economic model has flaws, just like Deng Xiaoping's economic model has resulted in capitalism creating unequal growth, resulting in a widening gap between the rich and the poor. President Xi Jinping is attempting to rectify the problem of inequality through his "Common Prosperity" policy. But even your source admits that "From 1950 to 1973, Chinese real GDP per capita grew at a rate of 2.9% per year on average," so clearly there was economic growth while under Mao Zedong era. "...but brainwashed ppl like u just won't admit it because u r treating Mao like a god or something, that's what I meant by "cult". No, your question was (and I quote your words): "Can u prove to me that China's economy was doing well at that time?" and we've already answered it with me showing that China's GDP grew from 30.55 billion in 1952 to at least 74.94 billion in 1977 (before Deng's economic policies in 1978). Even your source admits that "From 1950 to 1973, Chinese real GDP per capita grew at a rate of 2.9% per year on average," I've also pointed out various achievements by Chairman Mao, such as China's population nearly doubling in population from 540 million in 1949 to 969 million in 1979. China's Life Expectancy (at birth) under Mao nearly doubled from 35–40 years in 1949 to 65.5 years in 1980, and is among the most rapid sustained increases in documented global history (Banister and Preston 1981; Ashton et al. 1984; Coale1984; Jamison 1984; Banister 1987; Ravallion 1997; Banister and Hill 2004). Under Mao, infant mortality rates plunged from 195 deaths per thousand births in 1950 to 72 deaths per thousand in 1975. Mao’s Chinese literacy program has been called ‘The Single Greatest Educational Effort in Human History’ according to Language Magazine. By 1959, illiteracy rates among youth and adults (ages twelve to 40) had fallen from 80% to 43%. But you just ignored Mao's achievements, calling me "delusional" and "brainwashed" when I quote statistics to support my argument. Yet you claim that you're not anti-Mao when all your comments say the opposite, then who is the cult member here?
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  19597.  @tonypeterson5316  You said: "historians will tell u that it was the KMT that fought against the Japanese, not the Communist." Chiang kai-shek even served in the Imperial Japanese Army for 2 years, from 1909-1911, which could be one reason why he was reluctant to fight the Japanese. Chiang expelled Communists from the KMT ranks, and the removal of Communists from within the ranks allowed him free reign to give himself what amounted to dictatorial power over much of China. His own generals kidnapped him during the Xi'an Incident when he refused to form an alliance with the communists to repel the Japanese. It was thanks to communist goodwill who saved Chiang's leadership by negotiating for his release in Xi'an. Although the Communist General Mao was responsible for much of the damage inflicted upon the Japanese, it was Chiang who got the credit mainly from Britain and the US. Source: 11 Things You Should Know About Chiang Kai-shek theculturetrip.com/asia/taiwan/articles/11-things-know-chiang-kai-shek/ Chiang's Western friends later abandoned him when civil war broke out in China. After a long campaign against both the Japanese and the Germans, the US and Britain were reluctant to get involved in a civil war, preferring instead to encourage a peace deal between the two sides. Chiang fled the mainland to Taiwan, where he declared martial law on the island for more than 38 years, which was qualified as "the longest imposition of martial law by a regime anywhere in the world" at that time. During this period, Chiang's power was absolute and he suppressed local culture in what's known as the ‘White Terror’, imprisoning 140,000 people in Taiwan. These people were taken captive for their alleged opposition to the KMT. At this time, anyone openly criticizing the ruling party was deemed a Communist sympathizer. Chiang held the Taiwan Presidency for 25 years. Many would argue that Chiang should have stepped down long before his death, but he remained in power for a quarter of a century. In fact, the constitution only allowed for two terms in power, but with martial law as his excuse, Chiang could rule indefinitely.
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  19598.  @tonypeterson5316  Abolishing term limit is one aspect of the Mao's economic model, because it allows our leaders to carry out 10-year plans, 20-year plans, 30-year plans into fruition. Also, every economic model has flaws, but even your source admitted that "From 1950 to 1973, Chinese real GDP per capita grew at a rate of 2.9% per year on average," so clearly there was economic growth while under Mao Zedong era. You said: "Maybe that's why there was a famine?" The Great Chinese Famine was caused by bad weather conditions like flood and drought, causing destruction of crops and resulting in poor harvests and mass starvation. Even Mao himself couldn't possibly control the weather isn't it? And even if he somehow could, he would have wished for fair weather and bountiful harvests, because he wanted to make China strong enough to resist foreign imperialism. You said: "Then he decided to impose the "one child" policy? " The One-Child Policy was implemented in 1980, after Mao's death in 1976, so how is the One Child Policy Mao's doing? The policy was actually implemented because China's population was booming and there were fears that there was insufficient resources to support such a huge population. You said: " USA was around $2,349, that's almost 44 times more than China's." The United States is a developed country, while China is still a developing country, of course the GDP per capita would be different between developed and developing countries, so why are you comparing them? If you want a comparison, look at the world's 2nd most populous country, India, and their GDP per capita was Rs 265 in 1950s. You said: "Do u actually think that was a success? Use ur head." Even your source said: "From 1950 to 1973, Chinese real GDP per capita grew at a rate of 2.9% per year on average," yet you resort to insulting people just for answering your earlier question of "Can u prove to me that China's economy was doing well at that time?" You said: "During that period, him and his Red Army went around and arrested multiple communist members and destroyed many Chinese traditions and its heritage." Chinese traditions that were rooted in superstition and harmful were removed. For example, during the Cultural Revolution, many peasants were allowed access to education. Literacy rates grew in the countryside, and even women were granted education, despite the Chinese tradition of not sending girls to school. "Women hold up half the sky" which is one of Mao's quotes, and women were featured prominently in the forefront among Mao era posters, working alongside their male colleagues. You said: "If u think he is a god and his economic model was great, then u r clearly brainwashed by his "cult" image, so good luck with that👍There's nothing that can change ur delusional mind." I pointed out statistics of how under Mao, China's population doubled, our lifespans doubled, our literacy rates doubled, our infant mortality rates plummeted, and so on. I support my argument with statistics, whereas if someone offers an argument that differs from yours, you label them "delusional" and "brainwashed"? Then it appears that you've been taught to "demonize" Mao Zedong that's all, and simply dismiss all his achievements, yet why do you proclaim that you're not anti-Mao? It just boggles the mind.
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  19599.  @tonypeterson5316  "神州 Shenzhou Why are u telling me stories about Chiang?" Because you've repeatedly mentioned that the KMT fought the Japanese, while claiming the communists didn't. Yet I've cited several communist generals who sustained grievous injuries, missing an eye or an arm, yet all the KMT Generals have their eyes and limbs intact, yet you just claim you don't know what Mao and the communists were doing? You said: "The Japanese haven't yet invaded China during 1909 - 1911." That was the period when Chiang kai-shek served in the Imperial Japanese Army, which could be one reason why he was reluctant to fight the Japanese. You said: "Dunno what the hell Mao and the Communist were doing at that time" The Communist Party of China was founded in 1921, that's before 1909-1911. It's just apparent that you're anti-Mao then why all this pretense of claiming that you're not? The fact remains that the Republic of China 🇹🇼 (1912-1949) lost the mainland to the People's Republic of China 🇨🇳 and had to flee to Taiwan, and Chairman Mao Zedong and the communists succeeded in the herculean task of reunifying our divided country where the previous KMT administration failed to achieve. If not for Mao, China today would most likely still be a weak and divided country, fighting among ourselves instead of the strong and unified country today. This feat alone is already Mao's crowning achievement, I cannot stress how important it was that Mao put an end to decades of civil strife in the mainland. But you've been conditioned to "demonize" any achievements made by Mao Zedong that's all, that's why you continually ignore China's population doubling, our life expectancy doubling, our literacy rates doubling, our infant mortality rates plummeting and so on. That's why you're close minded to other points of views, and you deem such views as "delusional" and "brainwashed".
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  19674.  @aaronjensen8455  You said: " The CCP restricted individual travelers from visiting Taiwan in 2019 (before Covid-19)." That's an unfair comparison because we are discussing China's high-speed rail (as you said) and currently there is no high-speed rail connecting mainland China to Taiwan Island, so why are you bringing up travel to Taiwan in a discussion about high-speed rail? Does Europe have a high speed rail connecting to United Kingdom then? As for Tibet and Xinjiang, China's high speed rail does connect to those region and operates trains traveling to those region despite the high cost. In fact, those train lines connecting all the way to Western China actually operate at a loss instead of a profit, keeping ticket prices affordable to passengers traveling to those region and this I believe, is a form of freedom that Chinese passengers enjoy that their European counterparts don't. Feel free to disagree and challenge this point of mine. Video: Tibet gets its fastest bullet trains as Lhasa-Nyingchi Railway starts operations youtu.be/9TLTUXfHvf8 Video: Lanxin High-Speed Railway Spurs Tourism Growth in Xinjiang youtu.be/gNf-bg5qDnQ You said: "Brian was trying to create the illusion that China has some sort of freedom that the west doesn't have." Europe’s high-speed rail network is a slow, expensive and “ineffective patchwork”, according to a report from the EU’s spending watchdog that criticised costly projects often driven by politics rather than need. The report by the European Court of Auditors found that trains rarely operated at full speed. They ran on average at 45 per cent of the line’s potential velocity and only two examined reached an average above 200km/h. None was above 250km/h. “Average speed so far below the design speed raises questions as to sound financial management,” the ECA said.
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  19677.  @aaronjensen8455  "神州 Shenzhou So now you're pretending that you didn't say that convenience is a form of freedom??? Own up to your own clumsy attempts to change the topic." Did I ever not say said that? I recall saying that "Convenience is a form of freedom" back when we were talking about high-speed rail trains, so when did I ever pretend not to say that? And I certainly didn't change the topic, I've been talking about high-speed trains all this while, until you decided to switch topics from high speed rail to politics (you said: "神州 Shenzhou Yeah, everything in communist China is now a "freedom," except for political rights." so why should I "own up to clumsy attempts" to change the topic? You said: "Policies remain unchanged" - as if the United States didn't change its policy from standing against Chinese communist aggression in Korea to reaching out to the PRC and establishing relations from the efforts of Nixon and Kissinger?" You deliberately cropped out the earlier phrase which was "but for the most part,". Also if we fast forward from Nixon's visit to today, it seems the US policy of "standing against Chinese communist aggression" still remains the same today as USA is certainly trying to contain China's rise. It's no secret today that U.S is in decline and China is rising. Many economists predict that China's economy is expected to surpass the United State's someday in the foreseeable future (perhaps in the years 2025-2028). Also, let's be clear that the purpose of Nixon visiting China was in hopes of opening up China from the inside, so that China might eventually abandon our political system under the Communist Party and to adopt a Western-style democracy. However, this is has not come to fruition, and China remains under the control of the CPC, so USA is taking ever more extreme measures (such as slapping tarrifs and sanctions) against China, so in this aspect, the U.S goals towards China remains relatively unchanged. ... Lastly, I want to touch on your phrasing of "standing against Chinese communist aggression in Korea". Korea was originally a single unified country during Joseon Dynasty, until it was invaded and occupied by Imperial Japan during the war, and after the Japanese surrendered in 1945, Korea was (needlessly) divided into North Korea (by USSR) and South Korea (by USA). North Korea was the stronger of the two and they wanted to end this humiliating division of their country, and they almost succeeded in doing so. Korea was about 95% unified under North Korea, until the USA intervened in this internal Korean Civil War and pushed the North Korean forces past the 38th Parallel Line of Division, and into actual North Korean territory, right up to China's doorstep (near Liaoning province). In the end, China had no choice but to join the Korean War and push the U.S forces back to the 38th Line. So how was it "Chinese Communist Aggression in Korea"? The US forces were the ones in North Korean territory here.
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  19678.  @aaronjensen8455  "神州 Shenzhou The topic was never simply about high-speed rail in the first place because the commentator and you both intentionally brought up the issue of freedom." But you choose to make it about high speed rail when you said (discussing China's high-speed rail). Yet you accused me of making "clumsy attempts to change the topic" but you're the one jumping around from topic to topic here. You said: "The U.S. isn't trying to contain China, it welcomed China into international organizations like the WTO," U.S did not welcome China into the World Trade Organization. When the WTO was founded in 1995, China aimed to be included as a WTO founding member (which would validate our as a world economic power) but this attempt was thwarted because the United States, European countries, and Japan requested that China first reform various tariff policies, including tariff reductions, open markets and industrial policies. That's why China had a late entry into WTO in 2001, because the U.S and it's allies posed obstacles for China's entry back in 1995, so please don't act as though the U.S actually welcomed China into WTO. You said: "opened its markets to Chinese products, and educated and trained China's scientists and engineers. You call that containment?" Containment is when the U.S has over 400+ overseas military bases across the globe, in Okinawa Japan, South Korea, Philippines, etc, surrounding China in their attempt to contain China's rise. In comparison, China only has at the most, a handful of overseas bases. Also if you claim U.S opening to Chinese products and Chinese international students, then Trump slapping tariffs on Chinese products, banning Chinese companies like Huawei, as well as imposing restrictions on US Visas for Chinese students and cancelling more than 1,000 Chinese student visas are examples of U.S containment of China according to the your logic. Video: China slams US over cancellation of more than 1,000 Chinese student visas https://youtu.be/jpbR_T04PwE You said: "The U.S. is helping to balance Chinese communist aggression now that China has become the neighborhood bully." China is currently at peace and not at war with any country, since our last major conflict in 1979. Instead of making war, China is building infrastructure like roads, railways, highways, bridges, tunnels, powerstations, dams, ports, airports, etc and investing in developing countries like Sri Lanka, Nepal, Bangladesh, Pakistan, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Tajikistan, and also African countries like Nigeria, Kenya, Chad, Sudan, Ghana, Mozambique, Tanzania, etc. Whereas the United States is warmonger being involved in Gulf War, Iraq War, Afghan War, Libyan War, Syrian War, Yemen War, etc, even in the 21st century. USA is bombing in those Middle Eastern countries and enacting regime change by cutting off their "heads" (Saddam Hussein, Muammar Gaddafi, etc) and then installing their own US puppet governments in place. If anything, the USA appears to be threat to global peace and stability here. You said: "It was communist forces which started the war, and communist countries were backing the North Korean War machine." Korea was originally a single unified country (Joseon Dynasty) and it was (needless) divided into North Korea (by USSR) and South Korea (by USA) after the Japanese WWII surrender. North Korea wanted to end the humiliating division of their country then can't they attempt reunification of their divided homeland? North Korea under the communists was stronger both economically and militarily than South Korea under democracy at that time, and North Korea almost reunified their country (around 95% reunified) before the U.S intervened in this internal civil war within Korea. Not only that, the U.S forces pushed the North Korean forces back past the 38th Parallel Line of Division between North and South Korea, and into actual North Korean territory, right up to China's doorstep (Liaoning province) and that's why China eventually send the People's Liberation Army to help North Korea push the invaders back. You said: "China has a long history of interfering in the internal affairs of Korea (as well as Asian and African countries)," Could you list some examples of Chian interfering in the internal affairs of Korea as you said? Korea is our immediate neighbor, of course there's going to be historical interactions between China and Korea during these time periods: Han and Gojoseon Cao Wei and Goguryeo Sui, Tang, Goguryeo and Balhae Liao, Jin and Goryeo Yuan and Goryeo Ming and Joseon Qing and Joseon ... But during the last few centuries, China mostly had suzerainty over Korea (during Joeseon Dynasty) and did not interfere in Korea's internal affairs. There was that time that Japan invaded Korea in 1500s launched by Toyotomi Hideyoshi and the Ming Emperor dispatched Chinese troops to help Korea repel the invaders. You said: "and it was bent on controlling the Korean peninsula through its vassal state, the DPRK." How is the DPRK a vassal state of the People's Republic of China? China doesn't stations any Chinese troops in North Korea, that's why North Korea have to spend massive amounts on building their military budget. Whereas South Korea has around 28,500 American troops stationed in their country, if anything, it sounds like South Korea is a vassal of the USA if anything.
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  19685.  @brexitgreens  "神州 Shenzhou Or Western propaganda could be wrong regarding China and right regarding Russia." If Western propaganda already has reason to lie about the reality of China to their audiences, then it's highly likely they will do the same in their portrayal of Russia to their audiences. Some people have overcame their initial anti-China bias by watching expats in China, or perhaps by Chinese media like CGTN, CCTV, Xinhua (New China) TV, etc. Likewise, to counter anti-Russian propaganda, more people need to watch Russian media to see Russia's viewpoint. I mean, don't you find it suspicious that RT News and Sputnik Radio were blocked by the EU? They represent Russia's view of the conflict, and in order to achieve balance, people should at least strive to listen to both sides of the conflict. Last point about the Russian robbers you experienced, anyone from any country can commit a crime. Even Chinese scammers have a history of targeting foreign tourists in China, and this contributes to overall Sinophobic sentiment in the West. But the recent surge in Russophobia is alarming, reaching unbelievable levels and surpassing Sinophobia. Russian athletes are banned from the Olympics. Russian chess and tennis players are forbidden from participating in competitions unless they denounce their motherland. Russian musicians, composers, conductors, dancers, and other artists are being discriminated if they refuse to condemn their motherland's actions. Even Russian cats are getting banned.
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  19695.  @seekthetruth1478  If Russian gas was really not essential to the European Union to survive winter, then why didn't EU join the USA in banning Russian gas? The reason why neither the EU nor the UK literally freeze this winter is because Russia is continuing to supply gas to EU, despite the numerous economic sanctions EU slapped on Russia, even though NATO is officially not at war with Russia. And despite your statistics, indicating a decline (one of which is merely 5%), EU countries like Germany clearly want to expand their gas supply from Russia, that's why Nord Stream 2 pipeline was constructed. The construction of the pipeline is complete and is ready to deliver more Russian gas to Germany, all that's needed is some certification on paper to proceed, and while Germany has put the certification on hold, the Germans don't seem willing to abandon the project altogether. My prediction is that Germany is waiting for the Ukraine crisis to be over, and once tensions have returned to normal, Germany might proceed with certifying Nord Stream 2 afterwards. I mean, for all your statistics, so far none of the EU countries and UK have banned Russian gas supplies. Experts predict that for EU and UK to completely decouple for Russian gas, it would take at least over a decade. (And on the US side, Joe Biden has banned Russian gasoline, causing oil prices to reach an all time high in USA, until U.S has to seek alternative sources like from President Maduro of Venezuela, a president that up till just recently, Trump refused to acknowledge as President of Venezuela. This clearly shows how Russia is important even if only regarded as a "gas station" in your eyes.)
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  19696.  @seekthetruth1478  "Really? Seriously? Learn some history. The Truth is that Japan’s invasion of China saved the CCP from Chiang Kai-shek and the KMT, and ultimately allowed Mao to defeat the KMT in the ensuing civil war." How does that refute the fact that the KMT demonstrated gross incompetence in their right to rule the mainland? The fact remains that KMT lost the mainland to a bunch of dirt-poor, ill-equipped, outnumbered, starving Communist peasants and had to flee to Taiwan. You said: "By the end of 1934, the CCP was on the verge of extinction after KMT troops delivered another heavy blow to the Red Army in Jiangxi Province, which forced the Party to undertake the now infamous Long March to Xi’an in the northwestern province of Shaanxi." If anything, you've just further demonstrated KMT's gross incompetence, while demonstrating the Communists' tactic of the Long March (长征) bringing the communists back from the brink of annihilation. At the start of the Long March the KMT had a strength of over 300,000 nationalists, while the communists were outnumbered at just 69,000. Yet ultimately the KMT failed to wipe out the Communists and some 7,000 communists survived, so isn't this a brilliant strategy on the part of Mao Zedong and the communists, while showcasing KMT's incompetence to wipe out their enemy? You said: "Chiang initially pursued the Communist forces, and would have almost certainly delivered a final blow to the CCP if war with Japan could have been delayed." Japan had invaded Manchuria, yet Chiang was initially reluctant to meet the invaders head-on, instead he continued purging communists (our own Chinese brethren) instead of repelling the Japanese invaders, until two of his subordinates, Generals Zhang Xueliang and Yang Hucheng had to kidnap Chiang and get him to ally with the communists against the Japanese. This incident was known as the Xi'an Incident (Xi'an Incident) You said: "As it turned out, Chiang was not able to put off the war with Japan any longer, and domestic and international pressure forced him to accept a tacit alliance with the CCP against Japan." Many young officers in the Northeast Army demanded Chiang be killed, but it was actually thanks to communist goodwill by Zhou Enlai and Lin Boqu, who arrived in Xi'an to negotiate for Chiang's release. Only then did Chiang finally agreed to ally with the communists to fight against the Japanese invaders. You said: "While the KMT were busy uniting the country and fighting the Japanese military, CCP forces spent much of the early part of the war hiding in the mountains to avoid battle." The Communists had smaller numbers than the KMT or the Japanese, so Mao resorted to tactics that allow a smaller force to engage a much larger force, such as guerrilla tactics. You said: "At the same time, the Japanese forces largely focused on securing control of Chinese cities and strategic infrastructure, while ignoring China’s massive countryside. Thus, the KMT’s efforts to actually defend China created a power vacuum in rural areas, which the CCP came out of hiding to seize." The KMT had a much greater strength compared to the Communists, and could have easily send their own KMT forces to defend the countryside. But it was because of "capitalism" that the KMT protected the urban areas, while ignoring the peasantry in the countryside, so the Communists had to protect the countryside despite their smaller size, while covering a much wider area beyond the urban centers. This won the Communists the support of the peasants (which make up the majority of China's population at that time). You said: "According to Soviet military advisers stationed in CCP-controlled areas at the time, the CCP also used this land to grow opium to fund its growing operations." The Kuomintang engaged in opium trafficking to fund their operations as well, this was commonplace in China at that time, and the KMT's opium operations were far more extensive than the Communists. After the communists took control of mainland China, Mao Zedong began the campaign to successfully rid China of opium addiction.
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  19697. ​ @seekthetruth1478  You said: "The war not only allowed the CCP to grow much stronger, but it also greatly depleted the Nationalist’s strength. This allowed the CCP to prevail easily in the civil war." Let's take the period after the Japanese surrender in 1945 at the end of WWII. After the Japanese surrender, the Nationalist Kuomintang had a strength of -2 million (regular) -2.3 million (militia) (June 1946) Whereas the Communists had a strength of -1.2 million (regular) -2.6 million (militia) (July 1945) ... Source: Wikipedia: Chinese Civil War So even after the Japanese surrendered in 1945, the total KMT strength still outnumbered the Communists, yet despite this numerical advantage the KMT still lost the mainland to a dirt-poor, ill-equipped, starving communist peasants army? And mind you, this was after the Japanese surrendered, so there was no more fighting the Japanese after 1945. You said: "The CCP had a choice: it could have prioritized defending the country against Japan during the war, or it could have prioritized seizing control of China from those who did fight the Japanese. It chose the latter. Meanwhile, by choosing to actually try to defend China against Japan during the war, the Nationalists handed the country to the CCP afterwards." Again, this is nothing more that further demonstration of KMT's gross incompetence in their right to rule the mainland, while at the same time cementing the communists' right to rule China. Mao's strategy ultimately proved superior over Chiang's, and that's while the Communist Party of China has survived from the brink of extinction to becoming among the world's largest political parties today at some 90 million members (about the population size of Germany). Meanwhile, despite having virtually all the advantages during the Civil War, the KMT still lost the mainland and had to flee to Taiwan, and even today the KMT has been reduced to a shadow of its former glory, losing elections to the DPP political party in Taiwan for example. You said: "Xi's and the CCP’s decision to create a national observance day to honor its defense of China during the second Sino-Japanese War represents the height of hypocrisy." How is it hypocrisy? Clearly, the Communists did participate in defending China during the 2nd Sino-Japanese War. By the end of the war, the communists fought some 19,000 engagements of varying sizes against the Japanese, then why is it hypocritical to honor the communists defense of China? You said: "It’s one thing to try to suppress all information exposing the Party’s failings, which killed millions of Chinese." It was a Chinese Civil War, of course Chinese were killing Chinese. Just like during the American Civil War, Americans were killing Americans. Or Vietnamese during Vietnam Civil War. Or Koreans during Korean Civil War, or any civil war for that matter. You said: "It’s another thing altogether to falsely claim credit for one of the defining moments of your country’s modern history." The communists clearly participated in the defense of China against Japanese invaders, then can't credit be given to the communists where credit is due? You said: "And it’s really something unprecedented to create a national holiday to honor your Party for doing something it consciously avoided; namely, putting China’s defense over the CCP itself. Classy." We've gone over this before, that when the Japanese invaded Manchuria, Chiang kai-shek was clearly reluctant to meet the invaders head-on, instead he continued purging communists (our fellow Chinese), yet people still honor Chiang despite him prioritizing killing communists over defending China from the Japanese. Even you admitted to this when you said: "As it turned out, Chiang was not able to put off the war with Japan any longer," so couldn't you say the same of Chiang? And during the 2nd Sino-Japanese War, the communists were clearly not in charge of China, so how can you expect them to prioritize defense of China when they aren't the ruling party? Yet despite the communist's smaller size, they participated in defending China, through employing tactics that allow a smaller force to engage a larger opponent, such as guerrilla warfare. According to you, it was the KMT that ruled China with their superior numbers, so ultimately, defense of China fell upon the KMT's shoulders, while the communists were a relatively minor player. Now that the communists have come to power in China, obviously the burden of China defense falls on their shoulders now.
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  19747. @J Doe "@神州 Shenzhou - Trump We'll be getting rid of him in 2020." That is exactly the major flaw of your American system. Your US presidents have to step down after their term is over (4-8 years) so they can only make short term plans for America's future at the most, instead of long term plans spanning, say 10 years or more. Whereas the Chinese government has put forth many 5-year plans, 10-year plans, 20-year plans, 30-year plans, etc to map out China's direction and future in 2020, 2030, 2040, 2050, etc, and to set specific goals for China to achieve. Some of these goals include (but are not limited to): -By 2020, China plans to eliminate poverty completely and establish moderately prosperous society. -By 2025, China plans to transform our manufacturing industry to incorporate high-end technology. -By 2030, China plans to be world leader in Artificial Intelligence -By 2035, China plans to be key innovative, scientific power and establish moderately socialist society. -By 2040, China plans to ban all fossil fuel powerplants and all non-electric vehicles for greener future. -By 2045, China plans to be world leading space nation, having established a space elevator. -By 2050, China plans to have surpassed the USA as global superpower, economically and militarily. Source: Xi Plans to Turn China Into a Leading Global Power by 2050 bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-10-17/xi-to-put-his-stamp-on-chinese-history-at-congress-party-opening By abolishing the presidential term limit, our leaders can remain in power long enough to see their plans for China bloom and come into fruition in the future. But US leaders can't make long term plans for America, because they have to step down when their term is over. Can't you see the big flaw in your system here? Why is China surging on ahead, while America is in decline? How are numerous 4-8 term US presidents going to compete with Chinese leaders of limitless terms?
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  19777.  @Grenadier311  "Firstly, Beijing is on record below as being critical of the aforementioned travel restrictions in early February." According to your source: Spokeswoman Hua Chunying said Washington has “unceasingly manufactured and spread panic," noting that the WHO has advised against travel restrictions. So China is using WHO advisory against travel restrictions to support our criticism of the US travel restrictions. In your second source, Hua again cites WHO's advisory against travel restrictions to support the our stance that USA overreacted. From your 2nd source “Most countries appreciate and support China’s efforts to fight against the novel coronavirus, and we understand and respect them when they adopt or enhance quarantine measures at border entry,” Hua said. “But in the meantime, some countries, the U.S. in particular, have inappropriately overreacted, which certainly runs counter to WHO advice.” In your 3rd source, again China uses WHO advisory against travel restrictions. From your 3rd source. He said London had vowed to follow the advice of the World Health Organization (WHO) in its warning to British citizens there. "We asked them to take (the) advice of (the) WHO to make a reasonable response, do not overreact. All in all, China is using WHO's advisory against travel restrictions to support our claim that Western countries overreacted. The WHO is the world's leading advisory on health and they advised against travel restrictions, so our claims of overreaction are not unfounded.
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  19801.  @Bingo_Bango_  "but I don't particularly care. I am dragging you back to reality - roughly 0% of Chinese own homes," That's your version of reality. Your reality is seemingly based on redefining terms just to suit your whims. I've already explained that home ownership and land ownership are different, the fact is that China has a home ownership rate of around 90% as shown in studies. But when it comes to land ownership (which is a different thing altogether) my position remains that all the land belongs to China. You said: "China is a country of tenants with a few landed nobility mixed in." Not more of your ramblings. You've previously mentioned this "Chinese state nobility wrote in a loophole for their fellow high-ranking officials to hold land indefinitely,"_ but where is your proof that these people exist? After the 70 or 50 year lease expires, the lease has to be renewed, and unless these so-called Chinese nobility can live forever (or will always have descendants no matter what) then if there is no one available to renew the lease, it will be returned to government and repurposed for other uses. Speaking of the 70-year or 50-year lease, you claim they are pitiful timescales, then pray tell, then what do you suggest would be an appropriate timescale? 100 years? 200 years? You said: "The only reason nail homes can even exist is because of foreign expectations upon China to treat private property investment as valid, but this too is a form of self-delusion." Care to elaborate on what you mean by this? China's nail homes are all owned by local people, so how does this help to convince foreigners? And it seems like if you don't like what I say, you just label it "self-delusion" that's all. You said: "Your comments are especially amusing because foreign property owners of Chinese land have more enumerated rights than Chinese themselves to their own land," Care to elaborate further on this? What additional rights do foreign property owners have over Chinese to our own land? As per my stance, all land in China belongs to China. Foreign property owners are also subject to the 70 or 50 year land lease and if they are unable to meet the conditions for renewal, then that land is returned to China after the lease expires. It's funny how you constantly dismiss my arguments by claiming you don't care, yet when it comes to explaining your own arguments, you appear to be solely lacking in content.
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  19803.  @Bingo_Bango_  "Shenzhou. You have entirely missed the point. I am clarifying that home ownership obviously cannot exist without land ownership." Finally you admit that the two terms are distinct from each other. You've repeatedly claimed that "Roughly 0% of Chinese own homes" which is clearly not reality. I mean, try saying that sentence in China, and 90% of Chinese will think you're crazy. To think that all this time, you've been claiming I'm missing the point, when this is the absurd statement you've been preaching to me all along. Now that the first part is cleared up, let's go over your statement that home ownership cannot exist without land ownership. If your statement was true, then nail houses wouldn't exist. But the presence of nail houses in China proves your statement false, that such people can own the home, but not necessarily the land beneath it (of which my stance is that all land belongs to China). (You're welcome to disagree and try to prove me wrong with the nail houses, but it appears you did not elaborate much the phenomena of nail houses.) You said: "the appropriate timescale is indefinite, with minimal constraint." Indefinite? Who on Earth can promise infinity to anyone? Imagine you're living in a house, and a stranger walks up to you and claims that the land you live own belongs to his great-great-great grandfather and is therefore entitled to live in your property? China's current system of 70 or 50 year land lease is appropriate (for reasons I've repeatedly stated above) because it's represents a cycle of renewal of the land. You said: "Other countries often do ground leases for 99 years," Finally you give a more objective timescale than "indefinite." 99 years is just a few decades more than 70 years, and it's possible that the government might follow other countries and increase it to 99 years, given that more Chinese people are living longer lives.
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  19805. Kal Kungyab Soviet Russia also held considerable power in the past, was also part of UNSC like USA, but that didn't stop America from traveling halfway across the globe to declare war on communism and spread democracy through proxy wars in Vietnam and Korea. So what's holding back USA this time? As for your question, Life in Tibet is much better today than when it was under Dalai Lama rule. For much of history, Tibet was isolated from the world due to its location in the Himalayas, but thanks to Chinese construction of Qinghai railway through difficult mountaineous terrain, Tibet has become more accessable to the rest of the world, and there is growing tourist industry in Tibet. Farming in Tibet is difficult because of poor mountain soil and low rainfall, so Chinese scientists built special greenhouses to help increase agricultural yield. Tibet also imports food from rest of China to help feed its growing population. The government also help modernize Tibet by building roads, streetlamps, infrastructure, schools and universities as well as modern amenities like water, electricity, gas and plumbing to Tibetan residences. Modern technology is also available to Tibetans in the form of cars, smartphones, computers and Internet access. Thanks to the Internet, Tibetans can browse websites, shop online, make payments and have purchases delivered to their house in Tibet, because it is part of China after all. It is for the above reasons, that's why I believe most Tibetans do not want independence.
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  19807. +kikivoorburg You mean the government "threatens" other countries using pandas? And other countries actually feel threatened by possible removal of pandas from their zoos? That's a first... As for your 2nd post, if Tibet was independent, that it is unlikely that Tibet will have the necessary funds to develop infrastructure on their own, or to have India or China invest in them. Tibet is located in Himalayas and you think India or China would build a railway through difficult mountainous terrain to access Tibet for free? You think the Qinghai Railway was so easily built? It is world's highest elevation railway passing through permafrost and regions with low oxygen. The passenger carriages have special enriched-oxygen and UV-protection systems to protect its passengers. You think Tibet could afford to pay for this project? You people keep claiming "Most Tibetans want independence" but where did you get such information? Did you interview the people of Tibet personally? It was true that during monasteries were destroyed during Culture Revolution but so did the rest of China suffered and afterwards, the government eventually rebuilt monasteries that were destroyed during those periods. The 14th Dalai Lama was a traitor that conspired with CIA to lead uprising in Tibet in 1959. Normally, Tibetan spiritual leaders supposed be removed from worldly affairs but by getting involved in politics, 14th DL had shown that he is no longer fit to rule Tibet. He abused his religious position to train Tibetan guerrillas in separatist activities. When the uprising failed, he and his followers fled to India as exiles, aided by the CIA. Today, the Tibetans in China live arguably more prosperous lives than the exiled Tibetans, due to the modernization of Tibet. The 14th DL spends money traveling to places to preach, while his followers in India lead harsh lives. The future of Tibetan exiles is uncertain, and the DL is an old man. When he dies of old age, what will happen to the rest of his followers? It is clear that 14th DL doesn't really care about his followers or what the future holds for them.
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  19893.  Ash Xi  During Unit 731, Japanese scientists conducted inhuman experiments on Chinese prisoners, including men, women and children. Prisoners were infected with various diseases and then subjected to live vivisection, often without anesthesia. Scientists performed invasive surgeries, organs were removed, limbs amputated and then reattached to opposite sides of the body, all while the subject is alive. Some prisoners even had their stomachs removed and their esophagus reattached to the intestines, presumably to measure how long humans can survive without the stomach. The women had it worst during Unit 731. Prisoners were injected with sexually transmitted diseases and then forced at gunpoint to spread the infection to other prisoners. Women were gangaped and impregnated (sometimes by Japanese themselves) and then vivisected at various stages of their pregnancy to study the effects of diseases on their organs or on the fetus. Some Japanese scientists even gangaped female prisoners and then had experiments conducted on unborn children they fathered with female prisoners there. Imagine if you are woman prisoner in Unit 731. Or you are a man injected with STD and then forced at gunpoint to have sex to spread it to other prisoners? Why not simply inject everyone with STD, instead of forcing prisoners to spread STD by sex? Or imagine having your limbs amputated and reattached to opposite sides of your body, all without anastasia. All Chinese people wanted was to defend our homes and protect our loved ones, but the Japanese invaded our lands, stole our territory, killed our men, gangaped our women and perform inhuman experiments on our childrens.
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  19913.  @GooseGander  The North Vietnamese were supported by China. Ho Chih Minh had requested Chinese Anti-Aircraft Artillery (AAA) units in a meeting with Mao in May 1965. In response, People’s Liberation Army (PLA) forces began flowing into North Vietnam in July 1965 to help defend Hanoi and its major transportation systems. The total number of Chinese troops in North Vietnam between June 1965 and March 1968 amounted to over 320,000. In the same year the PLA and People's Army of Vietnam (PAVN) & Viet Cong (VC) made an agreement under which the PLA provided the PAVN/VC with 5,670 sets of uniforms, 5,670 pairs of shoes, 567 tons of rice, 20.7 tons of salt, 55.2 tons of meat, 20.7 tons of fish, 20.7 tons of sesame and peanuts, 20.7 tons of beans, 20.7 tons of lard, 6.9 tons of soy sauce, 20,7 tons of white sugar, 8,000 toothbrushes, 11,100 tubes of toothpaste, 35,300 bars of soap, and 109,000 cases of cigarettes Source:wikipedia.org/wiki/China_in_the_Vietnam_War#Confronting_U.S._escalation From 1964 to 1975, China had supplied Vietnam with military aid such as 1,922,897 Guns, 64,529 Artillery pieces, 1,048,207,000 Bullets, 17,074,000 Artillery shells, 30,808 Radio transmitters, 48,922 Telephones, 560 Tanks, 164 Planes, 15,771 Automobiles. China at that time was also a dirt-poor country ourselves and yet the mighty US Army lost the Vietnam War against a bunch of dirt-poor, communist peasants? It just goes to show that just because you have a higher military spending doesn't necessarily mean your country will win the war.
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  19916.  @oleksii_klochko  As I've mentioned earlier, Ukraine lost its sovereignty during the 2014 Maiidan Revolution (orchestrated by the US) and ousting Viktor Yanukovych and replacing him with a US pupet. As for Crimea, we need to look at history. Crimea was historically part of Russia before being transferred to Ukraine to celebrate the 300th anniversary of Ukraine's reunification with Russia in the Soviet Union. The people of Crimea are predominantly Russian and many of them have family and ties to Russia. After the USSR dissolved in 1991, Ukraine became independent, and Crimea was supposed to become the Republic of Crimea. A 1991 referendum with Crimean authorities pushing for more independence from Ukraine and closer links with Russia. Because many Crimeans had familial roots to Russia. But the Republic of China was forcibly abolished by Ukraine and Crimea became part of Ukraine. So it shows Crimea wanted to be independent and closer to Russia, but Ukraine would not permit it. The 2014 Maiidan Revolution that ousted Yanukovych sparked demonstrations in Crimea against the new Ukrainian government. Crimea wanted no part of the chaos unfolding in Kiev, so they held a referendum in which the overwhelming majority (96%) of Crimeans voted to join the Russian Federation. So Russia complied with the principle of the self-determination of the people and made Crimea part of Russia. As for the term "invasion" it should be noted that the Russian Black Navy Fleet was already stationed in Sevastopol in accordance with a 1997 treaty, so how can it be considered an invasion when Russian forces were already present in Crimea prior to 2014?
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  19931.  @oleksii_klochko  As I've mentioned earlier, Ukraine lost its sovereignty during the 2014 Maidan Revolution (orchestrated by the US) and ousting Viktor Yanukovych and replacing him with a US pupet. As for Crimea, we need to look at history. Crimea was historically part of Russia before being transferred to Ukraine to celebrate the 300th anniversary of Ukraine's reunification with Russia in the Soviet Union. The people of Crimea are predominantly Russian and many of them have family and ties to Russia. After the USSR dissolved in 1991, Ukraine became independent, and Crimea was supposed to become the Republic of Crimea. A 1991 referendum with Crimean authorities pushing for more independence from Ukraine and closer links with Russia. Because many Crimeans had familial roots to Russia. But the Republic of China was forcibly abolished by Ukraine and Crimea became part of Ukraine. So it shows Crimea wanted to be independent and closer to Russia, but Ukraine would not permit it. The 2014 Maidan Revolution that ousted Yanukovych sparked demonstrations in Crimea against the new Ukrainian government. Crimea wanted no part of the chaos unfolding in Kiev, so they held a referendum in which the overwhelming majority (96%) of Crimeans voted to join the Russian Federation. So Russia complied with the principle of the self-determination of the people and made Crimea part of Russia. As for the term "invasion" it should be noted that the Russian Black Navy Fleet was already stationed in Sevastopol in accordance with a 1997 treaty, so how can it be considered an invasion when Russian forces were already present in Crimea prior to 2014?
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  19970.  @everythingandmore5537  "However, the CCP rule will be history soon." Westerners have long been predicting China's economic downfall. Here's a list: 1990. The Economist: China's economy has come to a halt. 1996. The Economist: China's economy will face hard landing. 1998. The Economist: China's economy entering a dangerous period of sluggish growth. 1999. Bank of Canada: Likelihood of a hard landing for the Chinese economy. 2000. Chicago Tribune: China currency move nails hard landing risk coffin. 2001. Wilbanks, Smith & Thomas: A hard landing in China. 2002. Westchester University: China Anxiously Seeks A Soft Economic landing. 2003. KWR International: How to find a soft landing if China.. 2004. The Economist: The great fall of China? 2005. Nouriel Roubini: The Risk of a Hard Landing in China. 2006. International Economy: Can China Achieve a Soft Landing? 2007. TIME: Is China's Economy Overheating? Can China avoid a hard landing? 2008. Forbes: Hard Landing in China? 2009. Fortune: China's hard landing. China must find a way to recover. 2010. Nouriel Roubini: Hard landing coming in China. 2011. Business Insider: A Chinese Hard Landing May Be Closer Than You Think. 2012. American Interest: Dismal Economic News from China: A Hard Landing. 2013. Zero Hedge: A Hard Landing in China. 2014. CNBC: A hard landing in China. 2015. Forbes: Congratulations, You got Yourself A Chinese Hard Landing.... 2016. The Economist: Hard Landing looms for China. 2017. National Interest: Is China's Economy Going To Crash? 2018. The Daily Reckoning: China's Coming Financial Meltdown. 2019. Zero Hedge: Seven Reasons Why China Is Facing A Hard Landing In 2019 ... But its already 2021, and China's economy is still going strong. So why continue to believe China's economy will fall, given that Western economist predictions about China's collapse been proven consistently wrong for almost 30 years already?
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  19973.  @everythingandmore5537  "神州 Shenzhou The CCP and chinas economy is not the same thing." It is, because China's economy is state-controlled, so CPC's collapse would plunge China into chaos and civil strife, wiping away decades of peace and progress in our country, so why do you want such a catastrophic event to happen to China? The Communist Party of China defends China's interests in 1. South China Sea The US warships and aircraft carriers are sailing halfway across the globe to South China Sea, so China is taking actions to defend China's sovereignty. 2. India Border Even Indian PM Narendra Modi publicly stated that "Chinese troops did not enter Indian territory and no posts were taken." so the belligerence started on the Indian side and China is defending our sovereignty along the Sino-Indian border. Source: 'China did not enter our territory, no posts taken’: PM at all-party meet on Ladakh clash hindustantimes.com/india-news/chinese-troops-did-not-enter-our-territory-says-pm-modi-at-all-party-meeting-on-ladakh-standoff/story-QGgGUyL3sVRYB7mp3Y8bBI.html 3. Xinjiang The Uighurs in Xinjiang are Chinese citizens by birth and they are receiving a proper Chinese education, learning Mandarin Chinese (national language of China) Chinese history and cultivating patriotism towards their homeland, China. Just like the Hawaiins in Hawaii are American Citizens by birth and they learn English at school, American history and cultivate patriotism towards their homeland, America. Previously, Xinjiang Uighur Autonomous Region used to be plagued by terrorist attacks perpetrated by misguided Ughurs such as the 1992 Ürümqi bombings, the 1997 Ürümqi bus bombings, the 2010 Aksu bombing, the 2011 Hotan attack, 2011 Kashgar attacks, and the 2014 Ürümqi attack But thanks to the government program in Xinjiang, there have been no more terrorist attacks in Xinjiang Uighur Autonomous Region since. 4. Sino-British declaration in HK During the 19th century, the British wanted to continue drinking Chinese tea, but China did not want anything the West had to offer, so Britain waged two bloody wars with China and forced Chinese to buy opium from them at gunpoint, which we didn't want because it made us sick and was poisoning our people. During this weak period of Chinese history, Hong Kong was taken from China and made into British colony, to act as a drug distribution hub to spread the addiction throughout rest of China. Even when Britain renounced ownership over its former territories, Hong Kong was not fully returned back to China, and China had to agree to Sino-British declaration just for Britain to handover what belongs to us. 5. Taiwan Go and read Taiwan's constitution and it says that Taiwan is part of China under their own constitution. Taiwan claims all of mainland China (including Tibet, Xinjiang, Inner Mongolia, Manchuria, the South China Sea) as part of their territory, including territory currently under the control of Mongolia, Burma (Myanmar), Bhutan, India, Japan, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Russia and Tajikistan. Here's a map of territory that Taiwan claims as their own. wikipedia.org/wiki/File:ROC_Administrative_and_Claims.svg 6. Etc
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  19982.  @everythingandmore5537  Why can't the CPC take credit for the vast improvement of people's lives over the past 30 years? You just refuse to give credit where credit is due that's all. China was once a dirt-poor, war-torn, starving country in the past, until the Communist Revolution changed China into world's 2nd largest economy, the world's factory (Made in China) having world's 2nd highest R&D spending, protected by world's largest land army, the People's Liberation Army, funded by world's 2nd highest military expenditure. 1. Century of Humiliation During the 19th century, the British wanted to continue drinking Chinese tea, but China did not want anything the West had to offer, so Britain waged two bloody wars with China and forced Chinese to buy opium from them at gunpoint, which we didn't want because it made us sick and was poisoning our people. During this weak period of Chinese history, Hong Kong was taken from China and made into British colony, to act as a drug distribution hub to spread the addiction throughout rest of China. Even when Britain renounced ownership over its former territories, Hong Kong was not fully returned back to China, and China had to agree to Sino-British declaration just for Britain to handover what belongs to us. …… 2. CIA infiltration Did you know that the 14th Dalai Lama is a CIA agent and a traitor to his people? The 14th Dalai Lama received funding from CIA to train Tibetan guerrillas in separatist activities against the Central People's Government (Beijing). Declassified CIA files have exposed that a total of 1,735,000 dollars was devoted to the Tibetan program for FY1964 -Tibetan resistance efforts in Nepal (US$500,000) -Tibet Houses in New York and Geneva (1/2 year) (US$75,000) -Training (US$855,000) -Subsidy to the Dalai Lama (US$180,000) -Miscellaneous costs (US$125,000) Source: CIA Tibetan program wikipedia.org/wiki/CIA_Tibetan_program#Costs So here we have concrete evidence that the 14th Dalai Lama received funding from the USA to engage in separatist activities against the Central People's Government. What makes you think CIA infiltration is a myth, when the evidence comes from de-classified CIA files? 3. South China Sea China first claimed South China Sea Islands back in 1947 when Republic of China 🇹🇼 published the 11 Dash Line (which the 9 Dash Line by People's Republic of China 🇨🇳 is based upon). Nobody objected to China's claim, not Vietnam, not Philippines, not even the USA. The USA even donated warships like USS Decker to help ROC reclaim the South China Sea Islands, the warship was renamed ROCS Taiping 太平 under Chinese navy. One of the the South China Sea Islands was even renamed Taiping Island in honor of the warship that liberated it from Japanese control after WWII. 4. Chinese Civil War Why did Republic of China 🇹🇼 lose the mainland to People's Republic of China 🇨🇳 and had to flee to Formosa (Taiwan)? During the Chinese Civil War, the Nationalist Kuomintang had massive wealth (they taxed peasants heavily) they had superior weapons and superior numbers over the communists, yet they still lost the mainland to dirt-poor, heavily outnumbered, ill-equipped, starving Communist peasants and had to flee to Taiwan. This demonstrates KMT's gross incompetence in their right to rule the mainland, and solidifies the Communists right to rule the mainland. 5. Etc (What's the point of putting "Etc" as a point? You got issues, name them rather than just claim Etc.) Why should Chinese people overthrow our government? The CPC's collapse would plunge China into chaos and civil strife, wiping away decades of peace and progress in our country, so why do you want such a catastrophic event to happen to China?
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  19985.  @everythingandmore5537  Tibet was part of China since 800 years ago when the Mongols conquered Kingdom of Thibet and Song Dynasty China and incorporated those territory into Yuan Dynasty China. The Manchu conquerors of China did a similar thing with Tibet centuries later during Qing Dynasty China. Just look up maps of Yuan Dynasty China and Qing Dynasty China and Tibet was clearly part of Chinese history. Also, what do you mean just because Qing Dynasty is non-Han dynasty suddenly means that Tibet wasn't part of China? After conquering "China proper", the Manchus identified their state as "China" (中國, Zhōngguó; "Middle Kingdom"), and the emperors equated the lands of the Qing state (including present-day Northeast China, Xinjiang, Mongolia, Tibet and other areas) as "China" in both the Chinese and Manchu languages, defining China as a multi-ethnic state, and rejecting the idea that "China" only meant Han areas. The Qing emperors proclaimed that both Han and non-Han peoples were part of "China". They used both "China" and "Qing" to refer to their state in official documents, international treaties, and foreign affairs. In the Chinese-language versions of its treaties and its maps of the world, the Qing government used "Qing" and "China" interchangeably. Source: https://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qing_dynasty#Names Yet you claim to China is Han-only China? Who are you to tell us what China is and what China isn't? And the fact remains that the 14th Dalai Lama received American CIA money to train Tibetan guerrillas in separatist activities against the Central People's Government.
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  19986.  @everythingandmore5537  The Manchu conquerors of Qing Dynasty China declared China as a multi-ethnic state and rejected the idea China only meant Han areas, and they used bot "Qing" and "China" interchangeably in official documents, international treaties and foreign affairs, who are you to claim China only meant Han areas? And since Chairman Mao returned Tibet back to China, then why should China hold an election in Tibet, just because you say so? Previously, while Tibet was under Dalai Lama rule, Tibet was a brutal theocracy, where 95% of the population were slaves and the remaining 5% elites were slave owners. Tibetan mountainous soil is infertile, rainfall is scarce in the Himalayas, so the slaves had to work hard to feed the Tibetan population. Starvation was commonplace and theft of food was punished by torture, amputation and even skinning. There's this Tibetan drum called damaru that's made from human skulls, a drumskin made of human skin and drumstick made of human bone. The Dalai Lama was overly worshipped and his followers fought for the right to consume his saliva, his urine and even his feces, because he was considered a divine vessel. After Tibet returned back to China, Chinese workers began rapidly modernising Tibet, building roads, railways, streetlamps, running water, gas and electricity as well as introducing modern amenities like cars, computers, telephone cables, smartphones, the Internet, WiFi, online shopping (from Taobao) and so on. Under CPC, the first Tibetan colleges opened in Lhasa, offering degrees in both Tibetan and Mandarin Chinese languages. Hydroelectric powerstations were built by Chinese to supply Tibetan homes with electricity. Chinese workers built the Qinghai-Lhasa railway (world's highest elevation railway) through dangerous mountainous terrain and low oxygen environments, to connect the normally isolated Tibet with the rest of the world. Tibet can now import food from the mainland to feed its population, and Tibet's population has tripled from 1 million in 1950s to over 3 million people today. A thriving tourist industry has even sprung up in Tibet.
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  19993.  @manisrinivasan5871  1. Tibet also rejoined mainland China of their own accord. On 1951, the Tibetans themselves signed the Seventeen Point Agreement for the Peaceful Liberation of Tibet, acknowledging Chinese sovereignty over Tibet. So there's this legally binding agreement signed by Tibetans that Tibet is part of China. You said: "Are you saying Portugese were native to India?" This was at a time when India did not exist as a unified state until it became a British colony. Goa was not part of British India neither was it a British colony. After becoming a country, India invaded Goa even though Goa was a territory with a different culture that spoke Konkani. Instead of a new independent state being formed, it was annexed by India and Marathi was imposed as the official language, including importing Marathi immigrants from neighbouring lands. You said: "2. Tibet was under occupation - as yourself mentioned - by Mongols onwards, and not part of China before 800 years." After the Mongols, Tibet remained part of China for 800 years, so why does the comparison fail? Goa was also a Portuguese colony for 400+ years, then if India can claim Goa for historical reasons, then why can't China do the same for Tibet? You said: "Indian king Ashoka had a kingdom that stretched beyond current Afghanistan and in to Burma. Does India claim those territories? South Indian kings had territoties stretched to current Java and Sumatra. Their relics and temples seen even today in Cambodia and beyond. Can India claim them today" China is not claiming Afghanistan nor Myanmar (Burma) nor far away Java nor Sumatra, China is claiming Tibet which is located right next door, so what's the point of bringing up Java and Sumatra and all those far away places?
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  20003. Meanwhile, Western magazines continue to predict China's economic hard landing 1990. The Economist: China's economy has come to a halt 1996. The Economist: China's economy will face a hard landing 1998. The Economist: China's economy entering a dangerous period of sluggish growth 1999. Bank of Canada: Likelihood of a hard landing for the Chinese economy 2000. Chicago Tribune: China currency move nails hard landing risk coffin 2001. Wilbanks, Smith & Thomas: A hard landing in China 2002. Westchester University: China Anxiously Seeks a Soft Economic Landing 2003. New York Times: Banking crisis imperils China 2004. The Economist: The great fall of China? 2005. Nouriel Roubini: The Risk of a Hard Landing in China 2006. International Economy: Can China Achieve a Soft Landing? 2007. TIME: Is China's Economy Overheating? Can China avoid a hard landing? 2008. Forbes: Hard Landing In China? 2009. Fortune: China's hard landing. China must find a way to recover 2010: Nouriel Roubini: Hard landing coming in China 2011: Business Insider: A Chinese Hard Landing May Be Closer Than You Think 2012: American Interest: Dismal Economic News from China: A Hard Landing 2013: Zero Hedge: A Hard Landing In China 2014. CNBC: A hard landing in China 2015. Forbes: Congratulations, You Got Yourself A Chinese Hard Landing 2016. The Economist: Hard landing looms for China 2017. National Interest: Is China's Economy Going To Crash? 2018. The Daily Reckoning: China's Coming Financial Meltdown 2019. BBC: China's Economic Slowdown: How worried should we be? 2020. NYT: Coronavirus Could End China's Decades-Long Economic Growth Streak 2021 Bloomberg: Chinese economy risks deeper slowdown than markets realize 2022. Bloomberg: China Surprise Data Could Spell R-e-c-e-s-s-i-o-n 2023. Bloomberg: No word should be off-limits to describe China's faltering economy. ... Yet it's already 2024 and China's economy is still going strong.
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  20004. Meanwhile, Western journalists continue to predict an economic hard landing for China. 1990. The Economist: China's economy has come to a halt 1996. The Economist: China's economy will face a hard landing 1998. The Economist: China's economy entering a dangerous period of sluggish growth 1999. Bank of Canada: Likelihood of a hard landing for the Chinese economy 2000. Chicago Tribune: China currency move nails hard landing risk coffin 2001. Wilbanks, Smith & Thomas: A hard landing in China 2002. Westchester University: China Anxiously Seeks a Soft Economic Landing 2003. New York Times: Banking crisis imperils China 2004. The Economist: The great fall of China? 2005. Nouriel Roubini: The Risk of a Hard Landing in China 2006. International Economy: Can China Achieve a Soft Landing? 2007. TIME: Is China's Economy Overheating? Can China avoid a hard landing? 2008. Forbes: Hard Landing In China? 2009. Fortune: China's hard landing. China must find a way to recover 2010: Nouriel Roubini: Hard landing coming in China 2011: Business Insider: A Chinese Hard Landing May Be Closer Than You Think 2012: American Interest: Dismal Economic News from China: A Hard Landing 2013: Zero Hedge: A Hard Landing In China 2014. CNBC: A hard landing in China 2015. Forbes: Congratulations, You Got Yourself A Chinese Hard Landing 2016. The Economist: Hard landing looms for China 2017. National Interest: Is China's Economy Going To Crash? 2018. The Daily Reckoning: China's Coming Financial Meltdown 2020. NYT: Coronavirus Could End China's Decades-Long Economic Growth Streak 2021 Bloomberg: Chinese economy risks deeper slowdown than markets realize 2022. Bloomberg: China Surprise Data Could Spell R-e-c-e-s-s-i-o-n 2023. Bloomberg: No word should be off-limits to describe China's faltering economy. ... Yet it's already 2024 and China's economy is still going strong.
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  20047.  @creddesignmatters6855  To answer your barrage of questions You asked: 1. What Power Do They Actually Have – Can They Imprison Me For Disagreeing or Not Turning Up When Summoned at the Village Level? If you disagree with the government development plan, then the government will leave you alone. For example, there are home owners living in crumbling, decrepit houses that simply refuse to summit to relocation and the government leave these "nail houses" (钉子户 because they are stubborn like nails) alone and just develop the surrounding area. Source: China's 'nail houses': The homeowners who refused to budge edition.cnn.com/2015/05/19/asia/gallery/china-nail-houses/index.html You asked: 2. Where Did They Get That Power From? From the people. According to a long term study by Harvard University has revealed that around 80-90% of Chinese citizens support the Communist Party of China. Source: Harvard survey finds Chinese satisfaction with govt rises china.org.cn/china/2020-07/17/content_76281590.htm A Harvard University survey has found that Chinese citizens' satisfaction with government has increased virtually across the board, with the central authorities receiving the strongest level of approval, increasing from 86 percent to 93 percent between 2003 and 2016, the period of the study. 3. In Whose Interests Do They Exercise It? For China's sake, that's why majority of Chinese people support the Communist Party of China. If the CPC starts serving other countries interests instead of China's, then the people will eventually rise up to overthrow the government. China has 5000 years of history and is among the world's oldest "continuous" civilization still alive today, whereas other ancient civilizations like Mesopotamia, Rome and Egypt have since succumbed to history. China has witnessed the birth and death of various other nations, the rise and fall of numerous other empires, yet China has survived the violent passage of time to modern times relatively intact, whereas even Rome eventually crumbled. China has always been under the authoritarian rule (and we still are today) of emperors and the imperial court, because that's how China has been successfully governed for millennia. Not all countries have to adopt Western democracy to be successful and China is living proof of this. You asked: " 4. To Whom Are They Accountable?" To the people. As of now, a Harvard University study has shown that 80-90% of Chinese citizens support the Communist Party of China. Source: 5. How Can We Get Rid Of Them? Why would any country want to get rid of their government? Who is do you think is more qualified to govern the country; The People or The Government? If you said The People then why do countries still need The Government for?
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  20050. +NeutralDice Then why did Western society import African slaves to do the laborious work for them? If you can do it yourself, then why resort to importing slavery from another country? Today African Americans make up a significant part of US population, so the amount of slaves imported wasn't just a few. Native Americans and Australian Aboriginals were once prominent, but have since been reduced to a stranger within their own lands. As for Chinese immigrants, China is world's most populous country, so its quite possible that there isn't enough resources for everyone. With such a large student population, competition for schools and higher education in China is fierce and intense, and there aren't enough jobs for everyone once they graduate. That's why some Chinese migrate to Western countries to study and to work there. I'm sure you've seen many Chinese international exchange students in your universities, or Chinese doctors, lawyers, programmers (stereotypical I know) and researchers working in collaboration with companies. Even the low pay stereotypical jobs are Chinese chefs, waiters, laundromat, cleaners, and other hardworking jobs. Chinese invented the Four Great Inventions 四大发明. Paper and Printing have made transcribing and transmission of knowledge much more faster and easier. The Compass made navigation easier, safer voyagers and bolder exploration by sailors. And Gunpowder has revolutionized the way battles are fought today. Besides gunpowder, ancient Chinese also invented the handcannon, handgrenade, fragmentation bomb, landmine, naval mines, exploding cannonballs, rocket launchers, multi-launch rocket systems and of course fireworks. There's even an ancient Chinese flamethrower capable of launching a continuous stream of flame, just like the one deployed in WW2 and Vietnam War. What I'm saying is that Asians are in now way inferior to the West. Research has shown Asians to be among the most intelligent and diligent peoples, and people tend to stereotype Asians as hardworking, clever, good at math, good at engineering, good at computing, and so on. We Asians need to shrug off this inferior complex, imposed on us, and start treating ourselves as equals to the West and capable of achieving equally impressive feats. We should not grow to become arrogant, but we should not sell ourselves short of what we're capable of achieving.
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  20086.  @stopwarstop7334  Read the 1972 Shanghai Communique and the USA recognize Taiwan is part of China and does not challenge that position. Here's excerpts from an article from The Diplomat On February 28, we celebrate the 45th anniversary of the Shanghai Communique. The 1972 agreement, brokered by Secretary of State Henry Kissinger and Chinese Premier Zhou Enlai, ended 23 years of diplomatic estrangement between the United States and China, and laid the foundation for a peaceful and prosperous Asia...The Communique was based on America’s acknowledgement that Chinese on both sides of the Taiwan Strait agree there is one China, that Taiwan is a part of China, and that the United States does not challenge that position. ... Source: The Diplomat: The Shanghai Communique: An American Foreign Policy Success, 45 Years Later (28 Feb 2017) You asked: "They agree that Taiwan is part of China could be Republic of China. Why do you think it has to be People's Republic of China." Why not? They agree that Taiwan is part of China could be the People's Republic of China as well. Also you complain about all this ambiguity, then why not just get Taiwan to fully reunify itself with mainland China? Why should the People's Republic of China 🇨🇳 change our constitution to the Republic of China 🇹🇼 when the ROC lost the mainland to the PRC? Also, the PRC constitution is not the same as ROC constitution. ROC actually claims more territory than PRC, such as territory currently under the control of Mongolia, Myanmar, Bhutan, India, Japan, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Russia and Tajikistan. Futhermore, ROC claims the 11 Dash Line over the South China Sea, whereas PRC claims the 9 Dash Line.
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  20095.  @stopwarstop7334  1) When did I asked what? All I stated was that since Taiwan is not a UN member, that means UN countries don't recognize Taiwan as a country that's all. Just recently the Solomon Islands and Nicaragua switched recognition of Taipei to Beijing, and like I said earlier that Taiwan doesn't have any embassies in the major countries (i.e USA, UK, Canada, Australia, EU countries, India, Japan, Korea, etc) meaning that those countries don't recognize Taiwan as a country. 2) So now you agreed that since ROC Taiwan can claim the mainland, that the mainland can claim Taiwan? Also I previously mentioned that the country backing Taiwan against the mainland is the United States military, but it's no secret today that America is in decline and China is rising. China doesn't need to go to war to reunify Taiwan with the mainland, all it needs to do is wait until the USA declines to the point where they can no longer afford to challenge China, by which then Taiwan would no longer have U.S military support and would eventually be reintegrated with the mainland. 3) China is not a property for ROC 🇹🇼 to give to PRC 🇨🇳 as and when it please. It's historical fact that the ROC lose the mainland to the PRC and had to flee to Taiwan? During the Chinese Civil War, the Nationalist Kuomintang had massive wealth (they taxed peasants heavily) they had superior weapons and superior numbers over the communists. Defeating the communists should have been a piece of cake for the KMT, yet despite all these advantages, the KMT still lost the mainland to a bunch of dirt-poor, ill-equipped, starving Communist peasants and had to flee to Taiwan. If anything, this demonstrates KMT's gross incompetence in their right to rule the mainland, while at the same time cementing the Communists right to rule China. Ma Ying Jeou represented the people of Taiwan when he said that he rejected the Philippines' claim. And since the Tsai Ing-wen did not say anything about the arbitration tribunal ruling, that means that Taiwan stance remains unchanged, that they reject Philippines' claim as "patently false".
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  20096.  @stopwarstop7334  Because it's apparent that you can't refute my points. Both ROC and PRC agree that there is One China and that Taiwan is part of China. Even the United States does not challenge this position since the 1972 Shanghai Communique. 1) Earlier you said: "神州 Shenzhou 1) you forgot that you were the one that asked so go do your research." but what did I asked what? I read my previous points and I wrote because Taiwan since is not a UN member, that means that UN countries don't recognize Taiwan as a country, since when did I ask what? A rep office is not an official embassy and Taiwan doesn't have any embassies in most major UN countries. We can go over a list if your like: -Australia is a UN member yet it does not recognize Taiwan (no Taiwan embassies). -Britain is a UN member yet it does not recognize Taiwan (no Taiwan embassies). -Canada is a UN member yet it does not recognize Taiwan (no Taiwan embassies). -United States is a UN member yet it does not recognize Taiwan (no Taiwan embassies). -Germany is a UN member yet it does not recognize Taiwan (no Taiwan embassies). -France is a UN member yet it does not recognize Taiwan (no Taiwan embassies). -Russia is a UN member yet it does not recognize Taiwan (no Taiwan embassies). -India is a UN member yet it does not recognize Taiwan (no Taiwan embassies). -Japan is a UN member yet it does not recognize Taiwan (no Taiwan embassies). ... (repeat for all UN countries) ... Therefore, we can say that UN countries do not recognize Taiwan, then I've already proven this point over and over again. 2) So since you claim ROC is not dead yet, that means you've admit Taiwan is not a country, since ROC claims it's China. That means under ROC constitution, Taiwan claims it's China and therefore, it's not some country called Taiwan. And China is not some property for ROC 🇹🇼 to give to PRC 🇨🇳 as and when it please, it's a historical fact that the ROC lose the mainland to the PRC and had to flee to Taiwan. 3) China is clearly rising, we have transformed from a once dirt-poor, war-torn, starving country in the past, into the world's 2nd largest economy, the world's factory (Made-In-China) having the world's 2nd largest R&D spending, protected by the world's largest land army, the People's Liberation Army, funded by the world's 2nd largest military expenditure. And it's all been achieved under communist party leadership, despite Western anti-China propaganda constantly denouncing China's success all along. And the U.S is in decline. All China needs to do is wait patiently until the U.S declines to the point where they can no longer afford to challenge China anymore, by which Taiwan would have lost U.S backing, and would eventually have to reunify with the mainland.
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  20097.  @stopwarstop7334  How am I narrow minded when I've consistently cited numerous examples that reinforce the fact that Taiwan is part of China and not a country in itself? 1) Earlier you said: _"神州 Shenzhou 1) you forgot that you were the one that asked so go do your research." but what did I asked what? I've already shown that UN countries don't recognize Taiwan as a country (no Taiwan embassies in Australia, Britain, Canada, United States, Germany, France, Russia, India, Japan, etc) that means that they don't recognize Taiwan as a country. So I've reinforced my point, but you just dismiss everything without citing evidence of your own. 2) But a representative office is not an official embassy so those UN countries do not recognize Taiwan as a country. If not then why can't Taiwan build actual official embassies in other UN countries since you claim Taiwan is a country? 3) So you claim Taiwan is not dead and it's a country since 1912, that means you're accepting the fact that ROC claims it's China. So what you're saying is that there is no country called Taiwan, but there is a country called China and that both ROC and PRC agree on this One China policy. Then you've just proven that Taiwan is not a country, it is China that is a country, since even ROC constitution says that. 4) I've already shown that China is rising and US is in decline. Time is on China's side. As long as peace prevails and China doesn't get sucked into an unnecessary conflict over Taiwan, the U.S will eventually decline to the point where they are no longer able to challenge China, and that's when Taiwan's backing is gone and it will eventually reunify with the mainland.
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  20098.  @stopwarstop7334  What mistake? You failed to counter the fact that both ROC and PRC agree on the One China Policy and that Taiwan is part of China, that the United States does not challenge that position since the 1972 Shanghai Communique. 1) Let's go back to the beginning of this point. You said: "1) The word "acknowleged" in the dictionary doesn't mean agree. So why you say all country in UN agrees Taiwan is part of China." ... I responded with: "1) Because Taiwan since is not a UN member, that means that UN countries don't recognize Taiwan as a country. Just recently, the Solomon Islands and Nicaragua switched their recognition From Taipei to Beijing. Go read the news." ... Now you're changing the point to "1) Many countries is a country but not in United Nation." but this wasn't the original point, the original point was "So why you say all country in UN agrees Taiwan is part of China" as you wrote. So you're applying the strawman fallacy which has the impression of refuting an argument, but the real subject of the argument was not addressed or refuted, but instead replaced with a false one. ... When in fact, I've already long refuted the point that UN countries don't recognize Taiwan as a country. 2) As I have said, a representative office is not an official embassy so those UN countries do not recognize Taiwan as a country. The VISA policy of Taiwan is that those are Republic of China VISA, and since ROC claims it's China, that means Taiwan is not a country, but China is a country according to ROC, that's why visitors to Taiwan can have ROC VISA. Since you claim ROC is still alive in Taiwan, that means you've accepted the fact that there is no country called Taiwan, but there is a country called China according to ROC. So you've proven Taiwan is not a country, merely a part of China (as recognized by both ROC and PRC) then you're argument that Taiwan is a country is wrong (unless that country is China) And why'd the ROC lose the mainland to the PRC and had to flee to Taiwan, despite the KMT being well-armed, well-funded and outnumbering the communists? If anything, this demonstrates KMT's gross incompetence in their right to rule the mainland, while cementing the communists' right to rule China. 3) How is China acting like a barbarian just by patiently waiting for U.S to decline to the point where they can no longer challenge China's rise? Instead of starting a hot conflict over Taiwan, all the mainland needs to do is wait for U.S to decline and eventually, Taiwan's backing will be gone and it will eventually reunify with the mainland. Time is on China's side, and as long as peace prevails without China getting sucked into a pointless conflict over Taiwan, the U.S decline would prove to China's advantage in the end when it comes to Taiwan island.
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  20099.  @stopwarstop7334  "神州 Shenzhou and you failed to say which China it is." That means you yourself acknowledge that both ROC and PRC both claim to be China, then how can Taiwan be a country when ROC claims it's China? If anything, you've repeatedly shown that the country called Taiwan doesn't exist, but the country called China exists under ROC's constitution. So Taiwan is not a country, unless that country is China. So now you've abandoned the 1), 2), 3) format, after I've exposed your strawman fallacy when you said all country in UN agrees Taiwan is part of China. I've long refuted the point that UN countries don't recognize Taiwan as a country, but you suddenly changed the argument to one about countries outside of the UN, it just goes to show how fallacious your thinking really is. You said: "ROC give PRC United Nation seat and UN had successful fooled PRC." ROC did not give PRC the seat in the United Nations. It was UN countries that democratically voted to recognize PRC as China and to kick ROC Taiwan out of the UN in 1971. The UN General Assembly Resolution 2758 was passed in response to the UN General Assembly Resolution 1668 that required any change in China's representation in the UN be determined by a two-thirds vote referring to Article 18 of the UN Charter. The voting results were as follows: -76 voted for -35 voted against -17 abstained -3 non-voting ... Source: United Nations General Assembly Resolution 2758 Since PRC won the majority vote with two thirds majority, the resolution was passed on 25 October 1971, and recognized the PRC as "the only legitimate representative of China to the United Nations" and removed "the representatives of Chiang Kai-shek" from the UN. So it was the UN countries that democratically voted to recognize PRC and to kick ROC Taiwan out of the UN.
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  20100.  @stopwarstop7334  You don't have to argue because you're clearly unable to refute my points. Both ROC and PRC recognise that there is only One China and that Taiwan is part of China, this already shoot your claim that Taiwan is a country out the window, since ROC Taiwan claims that its China. So there is no country called Taiwan, but there is a country called China according to ROC. This is the first time I hear about someone being so happy about PRC being a UN member and ROC Taiwan not being one. Taiwan loses a lot of recognition and privileges just by being locked out of organisations like the UN and the WHO, yet you're happy that Taiwan is not a UN member? Taiwan don't even have any official embassies in major countries, heck, Taiwan cannot even participate in the Olympics under their own name, they have to participate as "Chinese Taipei." Yet you act as though Taiwan trade, relationship and defense are improving? Even the Solomon Islands and Nicaragua recently switched recognition of Taipei to Beijing. Taiwan's defense relies on the United States military equipment, and Taiwan people have to fork out money to buy US weapons. Whatever price the USA names, Taiwan have to pay. And the USA dares not sell the high-end, cutting edge U.S miltary technology to Taiwan, in case of the scenario where Taiwan is defeated or reunify with the mainland and the US equipment falls into the mainland's hands. So what's there to celebrate about Taiwan losing prominence and not being a UN member? The reality is that Taiwan is a pawn on the chessboard between world powers.
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  20101.  @stopwarstop7334  My point has been stated all this time, it's that both ROC and PRC agree that there is One China and that Taiwan is part of China. This already throws your claim that Taiwan is a country out the window, because ROC constitution claims to be China, so there is no country called Taiwan, but there is a country called China. So Taiwan is not a country (unless said country is China). And again, this is the first time I've seen someone so ecstatic that Taiwan is not a member of the UN, when being locked out of UN denies Taiwan many benefits and privileges, that's why Taiwan has been trying to get into UN to access those benefits. In fact, the Republic of China's most recent request for admission was turned down in 2007, yet here you are celebrating the fact that Taiwan is not a UN member. If mainland China can block Taiwan from entering the UN, that means you're admitting that the mainland is controlling Taiwan and preventing them from joining UN? That means Taiwan isn't an independent nation after all, since it's being controlled. Look, Taiwan can't even participate in the Olympics under their own name, they have to use the name "Chinese Taipei", so isn't this already enough proof that Taiwan isn't an independent nation and is being controlled? About Taiwan technology, take smartphones for example and mainland China has produced many successful smartphone companies like Huawei, Xiaomi, ZTE, Lenovo, Top Smartphone brands in 2021 1. Samsung (South Korean) 2. Huawei (Chinese) 3. Apple (American) 4. Oppo (Chinese) 5. Vivo (Chinese) 6. Xiaomi (Chinese) 7. LG (South Korean) 8. Lenovo (Chinese) 9. ZTE (Chinese) 10. Alcatel-Lucent (formerly French, now Chinese) ... But where are the famous companies from Taiwan as compared to the mainland? How can Taiwan possibly hope to compete with the sheer economic power of the mainland?
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  20102.  @stopwarstop7334  But earlier when you used the 1), 2), 3) format of response, you never mentioned anything about outside of the UN, you said (and I quote your earlier words) "1) The word "acknowleged" in the dictionary doesn't mean agree. So why you say all country in UN agrees Taiwan is part of China." and I have long refuted your point because "Taiwan is not a UN member, that means that UN countries don't recognize Taiwan as a country." So this new point about "outside UN" is a straw-man fallacy that you've replaced the original point with. Furthermore, I've long established that there is no country called Taiwan, but there exists a country called China under ROC's constitution (even you acknowledged that ROC is not dead several times) so how can you claim that Taiwan is a country (unless said country is China)? I'm not confused, I've stated my point several times and cited numerous articles to substantiate my position. Even the United States recognize the One China Policy and that Taiwan is part of China since the 1972 Shanghai Communique, go and read The Diplomat: The Shanghai Communique: An American Foreign Policy Success, 45 Years Later Excerpt: On February 28, we celebrate the 45th anniversary of the Shanghai Communique. The 1972 agreement, brokered by Secretary of State Henry Kissinger and Chinese Premier Zhou Enlai, ended 23 years of diplomatic estrangement between the United States and China, and laid the foundation for a peaceful and prosperous Asia...The Communique was based on America’s acknowledgement that Chinese on both sides of the Taiwan Strait agree there is one China, that Taiwan is a part of China, and that the United States does not challenge that position. ... About technology in China, China is home to many largest Internet companies like Alibaba, Tencent, JD, Suning, ByteDance (Tik Tok), Baidu, NetEase, Kwai, Pinduoduo, Trip dotcom, Sina Corp, and so on. Source: Wikipedia: List of largest Internet companies But where are the famous companies from Taiwan as compared to the mainland? How can Taiwan possibly hope to compete with the sheer economic power of the mainland?
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  20106.  @stopwarstop7334  You yourself claimed Republic of China was founded in 1912, then how is it able to have 5,000 years of history? I mean where's the Great Wall of China located? Certainly not in Taiwan. Where's the Forbidden City? The Terracotta Warriors? The Grand Canal (world's oldest and longest artificial river)? Certainly not in Taiwan, then how can the ROC boast to be the "only China in the universe"? The sheer arrogance of Taiwan claiming to be China is what you should really be ashamed of. Earlier you boasted that Taiwan is too good for technology, yet you failed to name any examples of Taiwan surpassing mainland China in lunar landing and space exploration. China has even launched space stations into orbit just look at the Tiangong (天宫 "Heavenly Palace") Space Station. The first module, the Tianhe (天和 "Harmony of the Heavens") core module, was launched on 29 April 2021, followed by multiple crewed and uncrewed missions and two more modules to be launched by 2022. Even in the Spring Festival Gala, the taikonauts (Chinese astronauts) celebrated the new year with traditional Chinese calligraphy. This shows how China is both an ancient civilization as well as a modern space-faring nation. Let's get this straight, you don't really care about Chinese mainlanders. You have repeatedly called for all 1.4 billion people of China to move to the Moon, just because you refuse to acknowledge that the KMT lost the mainland to a bunch of dirt-poor, ill-equipped, starving communist peasants and had to flee to Taiwan. Then why should 1.4 billion people give in to the 21 million people of Taiwan? The sheer hubris of you to deny a fifth of humanity our birthright and claim ROC is the "only China in the universe" just shows the level of arrogance you have towards mainlanders, so why pretend that you don't hate mainlanders? When every word you said shows clearly your disgust for mainlanders? And if you look at 5,000 years of Chinese history, China was never democratic, it was ruled by Emperors and the Imperial Court, much like how the PRC is ruled by the President and the Communist Party of China. The current PRC political system closely emulates China's ancient political system as compared to ROC's Western-style democracy.
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  20111.  @stopwarstop7334  Taiwan is an inalienable part of China, how is it none of PRC's business? Once the United States declines to the point where they can no longer afford to challenge China's rise, then Taiwan's support will be gone and they will eventually have to accept reunification with the mainland. And how is PRC the separator when our stance has always been that Taiwan is part of China? You're the one who told 1.4 billion people to go live on the Moon, yet you pretend that you don't hate mainlanders? Also, what makes you think China will fall? Western journalists have long been predicting China's economic downfall. Here's a list: 1990. The Economist: China's economy has come to a halt. 1996. The Economist: China's economy will face hard landing. 1998. The Economist: China's economy entering a dangerous period of sluggish growth. 1999. Bank of Canada: Likelihood of a hard landing for the Chinese economy. 2000. Chicago Tribune: China currency move nails hard landing risk coffin. 2001. Wilbanks, Smith & Thomas: A hard landing in China. 2002. Westchester University: China Anxiously Seeks A Soft Economic landing. 2003. KWR International: How to find a soft landing if China.. 2004. The Economist: The great fall of China? 2005. Nouriel Roubini: The Risk of a Hard Landing in China. 2006. International Economy: Can China Achieve a Soft Landing? 2007. TIME: Is China's Economy Overheating? Can China avoid a hard landing? 2008. Forbes: Hard Landing in China? 2009. Fortune: China's hard landing. China must find a way to recover. 2010. Nouriel Roubini: Hard landing coming in China. 2011. Business Insider: A Chinese Hard Landing May Be Closer Than You Think. 2012. American Interest: Dismal Economic News from China: A Hard Landing. 2013. Zero Hedge: A Hard Landing in China. 2014. CNBC: A hard landing in China. 2015. Forbes: Congratulations, You got Yourself A Chinese Hard Landing.... 2016. The Economist: Hard Landing looms for China. 2017. National Interest: Is China's Economy Going To Crash? 2018. The Daily Reckoning: China's Coming Financial Meltdown. 2019. Zero Hedge: Seven Reasons Why China Is Facing A Hard Landing In 2019 2020. Forbes: Remember The China 'Hard Landing'? We Got One. ... But its already 2021, and China's economy is still going strong. So why continue to believe China's economy will fall, given that Western journalists predictions about China's collapse been proven consistently wrong for 30 years already?
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  20116.  @stopwarstop7334  Hong Kong was literally taken from China and made into British colony. During the 19th century, the British wanted to continue drinking Chinese tea, but China did not want anything the West had to offer, so Britain waged two bloody wars with China and forced Chinese to buy opium from them at gunpoint, which we didn't want because it made us sick and was poisoning our people. During this weak period of Chinese history, Hong Kong was taken from China and made into British colony, to act as a drug distribution hub to spread the addiction throughout rest of China. Even when Britain renounced ownership over its former territories, Hong Kong was not fully returned back to China, and China had to agree to Sino-British declaration just for Britain to return what belongs to us. But even though Hong Kong was taken from China by force, it was returned to PRC in peace. And why should the United Kingdom allow the Hong Kong people to vote whether to return to ROC when the United Kingdom doesn't even recognise the ROC? Did you forget that Taiwan is not a UN member and that UN members don't recognize Taiwan as a country? I thought you were so happy to boast that ROC Taiwan is not recognised by UN members. As for Hong Kong voting for independence, the PRC would not allow that, so Hong Kong was returned back to China on 1997. Also, according to statistics, mainland China holds the largest number of Hong Kong expatriates outside of the island itself. Here's the data from Wikipedia: Hongkongers Hongkongers (Total population c. 7.33 million) Regions with significant populations 1. Hong Kong, China (7,234,800) 2. Mainland China (472,900) 3. United States (330,000) 4. Canada (215,775) 5. United Kingdom (145,000) 6. Taiwan, China (87,719) 7. Australia (86,886) 8. Macau, China (19,355) 9. Netherlands (18,300) 10. Japan (18,210) 11. Malaysia (3,000) ... Source: Wikipedia: Hongkongers
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  20127. The Emperor Of China Chinese government only screens the candidates for election, but otherwise the people of Hong Kong and Macau still get to elect their own leaders by voting. What's wrong with this arrangement? The communist party has to ensure that HK and Macau candidates do not just suddenly declare independence, but otherwise, it is still the people's own votes that bring the person into power. Of course reunifying with PRC is going to result in restrictions of some sort. You think states can just unify just like that, and then continue to enjoy the same freedoms as before? You must be naive if you are thinking this way only. Reunification results in compromise and sacrifice of some sort from both parties. If the Chinese government really wanted to, it can simply abolish the whole "democracy" in HK and Macau government and then working those states into China's economic growth policies. But at the moment, the government lets those states govern their country autonomously, as long as they remain part of China. What has United Nations got to do with this? Even in UN there are laws governing who can join. For example, ROC is no longer recognized by many UN countries, while PRC is recognized as China. Both North and South Korea are UN members but both claim to represent Korea. There are also other states like Palestine and Israel that have their own recognition issues in UN. What makes you think UN doesn't have any rules regarding who can join and go? You have constantly insulted me and mocked my solution, then exactly what do you propose in return? Of course it is not fair, because PRC wields much more power than ROC at the moment, but it is still a compromise that allows both states to keep our respective governments. You think ROC is going to be left the same as it is, even after reunification? Did you even know that ROC wasn't even really democratic until 1987. Like PRC, ROC was ruled by KMT for 37 years (1911-1949) and even in Taiwan, KMT governed Taiwan under martial law for another 38 years. Taiwan under KMT faced much economic development and progress, similar to China in 1970s, but it was only after introduction of democratic voting, did Taiwan's economy slowed and relations between PRC and ROC became strained when the DPP took power. Both KMT and the communist party had eventual goal of reunification of China, but with DPP taking the reins, the government does not know how to handle DPP given its eventual objective.
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  20130. +The Emperor Of China What nonsense are you talking about? As far as I know, the 1200 representatives in the Election Committee are consist of HK businessmen and corporations from various sectors including fiance, tourism, transport, etc. Which part of this committee is consist of Chinese mainlanders? In the end, the votes are all cast by people of HK, so what rubbish are you trying to say here? Election Committee (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Election_Committee ) Han Chinese growth is negative, because of One Child Policy, meant to limit the population growth of China, to prevent overwhelming of resources needed to sustain such population. Before that, Han Chinese growth was far higher than that of other ethnic minorities and China faced a possibly of having insufficient resources to sustain such explosive growth. The One Child Policy did its job, and China's population growth shrank, so recently the government introduced Two-Child Policy instead. USA and China are not at all related to each other in politics, but Hong Kong and the mainland are, under the One China, Two Systems policy. You are trying to compare two different political governing systems altogether, so what nonsense are you trying to create here? Are USA and China related to One China Two System policy like Hong Kong and the mainland here? Otherwise, exactly what point are you trying to make here? If you are really American citizen, then what gives you the right to comment on China's internal political affairs? +Patrick A. Crawley You people did not answer my question, so why should I answer yours? Carrie Lam received 777 out of 1,163 votes cast to become the next chief executive of Hong Kong, so what is wrong with this system? The 1200 votes were made by HK corporations and businesses, so how exactly did the mainland influence this system?
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  20218. Nabium In US culture, there is this "Zombie Apocalypse" scenario which is very popular, and incorporated into their shows, movies, even video games. There are many Halloween costume where you dress up as Zombie, so why is you claim The Walking Dead does not open Chinese up to Western culture? Where is your logic here? Chinese people watch whatever television series that they like, so why are you so concerned about what Chinese people watch on TV? China is not the only country to accept a film or series which had some controversial opinions. Here is list of banned films in countries like USA, Canada, Australia and UK. Sources: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_films_banned_in_Australia en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_films_banned_in_Canada en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_films_banned_in_the_United_States en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_films_banned_in_the_United_Kingdom So how the above countries any different from China, in banning controversial movies? Every country has some degree of control over censorship. Are you implying that just because your country banned only hardcore pornographic movies only, means China should follow your country? That theory is still a theory that existed, so why can't Chinese teach it in our classes? By 1952 Peking Man was considered by some to be a direct ancestor of modern humans and some paleontologists have noted a perceived continuity in skeletal remains, according to the following source Source:An early modern human from Tianyuan Cave, Zhoukoudian, China ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1871827/ Just because Westerners reject it, does it mean China has to reject it? There is still much information about our origins that is unclear. For example, you said there is up to 4% DNA from Denisovan hominins that the rest of the world do not share, which has been found in East Asians, Melanesians, Aboriginals and Native Americans. But we hardly know anything about these Denisovans, what they looked like, what they eat, how do they live, whether they spoke, etc. What if suddenly in future another theory reveals that we have another distant homonid that is previously undiscovered, like Denisovans? If you open up your country completely, like in US and Europe, then you will subjecting your local population to immigrants, whom may not share your own culture. Europe is taking in up tens of thousands (perhaps millions) of refugees from the Middle East, seeking to escape the constant wars, but that does not mean that all these immigrants will assimilate into the country. Even Europeans are starting to complain about the refugee crisis, that how the population demographic is changing, and European culture is being "diluted". China should do well to avoid such scenario as faced in Western country. We should preserve our culture, our language, our traditions as much we can, while of course remaining open to other cultures, through television, movies, media, etc.
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  20220. Nabium I have shown that other countries also have varying degrees of film censorship. China's censorship happens to have higher degree of censorship, but what's wrong with that? Aren't countries allowed to have their own censorship laws? Even in your country, hardcore pornographic films are still censored so that proves that censorship laws are in place in your country isn't it? You claim I lack critical thinking skills? In US culture, the "Zombie Apocalypse" scenario is very popular, and has been incorporated into their shows, movies, video games and Halloween costumes, so why is you claim The Walking Dead series does not open Chinese up to Western culture? Where is your logic here? How is Falun Gong a "religion" ? It was formed in 1992 by a charismatic leader, Li Hongzhi so its only less than 30 years old. It hijacks concepts from Buddhism, Taoism and Traditional Chinese Qigong, so that should sound off alarm bells that it is a cult in the making. Falun Gong practitioners believe that their leader can cure cancer, and there are cases of early stage cancer patients refusing to seek actual medical treatment, because Falun Gong leader says he can cure them. Source: culteducation.com/group/1254-falun-gong/6922-is-falun-gong-a-cult.html If immigration is irrelevant then why is Europe facing an immigration crisis? Why is President Trump banning Muslims immigrants from seven Middle Eastern countries? Nobody force your countries to host Falun Gong members, and you can always turn them over to Chinese authorities if you refuse to accept them. According to your Freedom of Press Index, there is no information for countries like USA, so how can you be sure that countries like USA is "free"? Also, I have never claimed China is free of censorship, all I claimed is that other countries including USA, Canada, UK, Australia have censorship laws of their own, and that some films are banned in those countries. But why should China change our censorship laws just because people like you are upset with them, and complaining about what movies we watch, whether Japanese anime, HK movies, American action movies. etc? You are the one complaining here, not me. Lastly, Liu Xiaobo 刘晓波 died in jail due to cancer so why are you claiming that the government killed him? Cancer is disease that can affect anyone in the world regardless of where they are, so why are you blaming the Chinese government as its cause? I think you are the one refusing to apply your critical thinking skills here, and just being blaming everything on China that's all.
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  20222. Nabium How do you know that the whole of Norwegian people choose to censor porn? Majority wins, doesn't mean that the minority doesn't exist do they? The only way the whole of Norway chooses to censor something is when 100% of them agree to it. Where is your logic here? You people always bring up "freedom of speech" but all it is important to is only to people who believe in it. Look at Chinese people. We have access to food, education, safety, housing, modern technology like smartphones, computers, and even the Internet. And we are doing just find without your definition of "freedom of speech" so why is it so important then? Chinese tourists and students come to your country, and they can talk about whatever they want can't they? So why are you imposing your own personal standards of "freedom of speech" onto China? My talk about Halloween, is because you said: " Transformers and the Walking Dead are not going to open anyone's eyes about other cultures. " and I clearly shown that Americans have these "Zombie Apocalypse" culture, so why is the Walking Dead not going to open Chinese people's eyes about American culture? Likewise, Transformers is based on Japanese "mecha" culture, so why is Transformers not opening Chinese eyes to Japanese cultures? Where is your logic here? When did I defend murdering and imprisoning people just because they believe they can cure cancer? All I said was that they have the makings of a cult, and I have shown sources supporting my point. You claim that tens of thousand of people who have been killed, then where's your source for that? The original topic of discussion is about China "opening up" our borders so why is immigration irrelevant in this discussion? On the other hand, what has censorship got to do with China opening up our borders at all? You are the one suddenly talking about censorship laws here, when it is about China opening up instead. That means that there is incomplete information about USA, so why is it just accepted that USA is at rank 43? Why isn't there information of freedom of press for people of US overseas territories? These are the territories that are unable to participate in US presidential elections, such as Guam, so how can you know what the people of these territories feel? You said "Your government is imprisoning and even killing people with differing opinions. 刘晓波 died in jail last year, having done no other crime than having an opinion." didn't you? What makes you think Reporters without Borders is free from any governmental pressure? In 2007 John Rosenthal argued that RWB showed a bias in favor of European countries. In the 2009 article about RWB and Venezuela cited above, Salim Lamrani stated that "RSF is not an organization that defends freedom of the press, but is an obscure entity with a political agenda precisely commissioned to discredit through all possible means the progressive governments in the world that find themselves on the United States' blacklist." The Observatoire de l'Action Humanitaire (Centre for Humanitarian Action) criticized RWB's lukewarm criticism of US forces for their shelling, in 2003, of Palestine Hotel, in Baghdad, Iraq, which killed two Reuters journalists.
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  20234. James Stepp So according to your source, how did USA help China to join WTO at all? President Clinton was the one opposing China's joining the WTO during its founding, so what sort of "help" is this, other than furthering US's own interests? If you do not trust Chinese government, then you can't expect Chinese to trust your government. Who are you to interfere in other countries' affairs about whether they choose to be authoritarian or not? If China follows our own system, then its our own system after all. China is currently peaceful and not at war with any country, since our last major war in 1979, but America fought wars at halfway across the globe, such as Gulf War, Iraq War, Afghan War, Libyan war, even in the 21st century. America wants to defend "freedom of navigation"? The USA does not even ratify the United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea at all, so why is USA claiming "freedom of navigation" when it is not even party to UNCLOS? If China doesn't buy US debt, then how do you expect USA to handle its debts then? Western media like Fox News and CNN constantly paint China as the enemy, talking about pontential war scenario with China and going to trade war with China, whereas Chinese media like CGTN and New China TV talk about promoting peaceful cooperation with the West and how both Chinese and Western government system can both exist in the world. So which country is demonizing the other here? Even President Trump just unilaterally slap tariffs on steel and aluminum, without even going through the proper WTO channels at all here.
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  20301.  @realsimonwest  To understand the history of the conflicts along Russia's periphery, we need to understand Russian history. Putin has spoken about the concept of "Russkiy Mir" ("Russian world"), which is defined not by territory but by where the Russian people reside. During the Soviet Union, Russian people frequently travelled outside of Russia to work on various Soviet projects across the Soviet satellites, mostly in Ukraine. Much territory also changed hands within the USSR. For example, Crimea was historically part of Russia, before the Bolsheviks transferred Crimea to Ukraine in 1954, to mark the 300th anniversary of Ukraine's union with Russia. The abrupt collapse of the USSR in 1991 meant that many Russians suddenly found themselves trapped outside of their motherland. When Ukraine declared independence, the Russians living in Ukraine became Ukrainian citizens overnight. Just imagine if you leave your hometown to work in another part of the country and then suddenly, you became a foreign citizen overnight. When Ukraine became independent, Crimea also became a republic and held a referendum with the Crimean authorities pushing for more independence from Ukraine and closer links with Russia. However, the Republic of Crimea was forcibly abolished by Ukraine and made a part of Ukraine. In 2014 after Maidan uprising, Crimea held another referendum where the overwhelming majority (97%) voted to join the Russian Federation. Because of the concept of Russkiy Mir, Putin felt compelled to reincorporate Crimea back into Russia. As you can see, the history of Russia and its surrounding neighbors is very complex, and the USSR dissolution complicates it further.
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  20319.  @ianbelanger7459  Skilled labor is the reason why American companies decided to set up shop in China and harness China's skilled labor pool. If skilled labor wasn't important, then why didn't US companies set up shop in, say India (world's 2nd largest economy) or Africa (also has a huge workforce)? Industries have been changed as a result of skill labor, this is undeniable. Chinese restaurants in America are founded by Chinese people isn't it? According to the Alliance for American Manufacturing, the U.S imports a lot of food from China. The United States continues to import food from China, including $4.6 billion worth in 2017 alone. Top imports include fruits and vegetables, snack foods, spices and tea. In 2019, for example, the U.S. imported $89 million worth of tea and $300 million worth of apple juice. - Alliance for American Manufacturing. Had American manufacturing remain in USA, then the prices of Made-in-America products will be higher than Made-in-China products, and would be very much out of reach of ordinary Americans. I mean, take cell phones for example. When the mobile phone first came out, it came with a high price tag (because of American labor). But Chinese labor has reduced the price of mobile phones, so much such that it becomes affordable to the masses. Another flaw in your thinking, you're saying that if production had remained in the US, then wages would have to rise. But once again, this would make the price of Made-in-America goods higher than Made-in-China goods, and therefore, the cost of living in America would increase if there was no access to affordable Made-in-China goods.
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  20376.  @JohnBobb  Since China is very successful under authoritarian CCP leadership, then why should China change to democracy then? Hong Kong and Taiwan were similarly successful under authoritarian British Rule and single-party KMT rule, respectively, and today their economies are stagnating under democracy, so why should mainland China follow their example? Because Westerners says so? Why involved ordinary people in important political decisions regarding the country's future? Ordinary people may not vote responsibly (e.g. they fail to turn up to vote) or they may make decisions based on emotions not logic (e.g. British people don't like immigrants so they vote for Britain to leave the EU) or they may simply lack political awareness in order to make informed decisions, and they might also be susceptible to foreign influences. That's how Hitler was able to come to power by preying on German people's resentment towards the humiliating Treaty of Versailles and promising to make German great again (which admittedly he did). Similarly, that's how Donald Trump was able to become president by preying on gullible Americans resentment towards China, with false promises of making America great again. Already, having 300 million Americans vote in the US elections has torn the country apart politically and the divide between the Left and Right has never been wider than it is today. Can you imagine the same thing happening, but this time with a country with 4 times the population of USA? China's 1.4 billion people would probably fracture under democracy and split apart.
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  20378.  @akif5638  I wrote Amos Yee but my autocorrect somehow changed it to Amos Lee, since Lee is more common surname than Yee. And where is your source showing Yee was supporter of pedophilia? Even Islam traditionally supports pedophilia and does not forbid it, and there are verses in the Koran that your prophet practiced pedophilia. Prophet Muhammad married Aisha when she was six, and had sexual intercourse with her while she still remained pre-pubescent at the age of nine lunar years. This fact has been recorded many times in Sahih ahadith. Source: Pedophilia in the Qur'an wikiislam.net/wiki/Pedophilia_in_the_Qur%27an The difference between you and me is that at least I cite evidence to support my points where possible. But you have shown no evidence to suggest your claim that Amos Yee supports pedophilia. And my source is from USA showing how Singapore government is using his anti Christian views as an excuse to persecute him for being a Singapore dissident. From my previous source: "The evidence presented at the hearing demonstrates that Singapore’s prosecution of Yee was a pretext to silence his political opinions critical of the Singapore government. His prosecution, detention and general maltreatment at the hands of the Singapore authorities demonstrates persecution on account of Yee’s political opinions. Yee is a young political dissident and his application for asylum is granted.” – The Honourable Samuel Cole, immigration judge. I have literally shown that Singapore does not have free speech (just like China) But you people claim to be from Singapore, yet you claimed that you can criticise your government, when all available evidence shows you might get arrested for doing so?
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  20384.  @JohnBobb  said "This is a hard topic, but why did you decide that China can only be successful if it's not democratic? Is a dog happy? It used to be a wolf once..." China has 5000 years of history and is among the world's oldest 'continuous' civilization still alive today. China has always been under authoritarian rule (and we still are today) under the rule of emperors, so why should China adopt Western democracy then? Look at India, world's largest democracy and what makes you think that India is better off under democracy? Actually India enjoys several intrinsic advantages over China. -India is word's 2nd most populous country, so its has comparable workforce to China's -Many Indians speak English (more favorable for Westerners) while Chinese still struggle with English today. -India is founding member of World Trade Organization in 1995, while China had a late entry in 2001 -India has better location, in between the East and the West, while China is in the Far East. -Southern India has more shoreline (more favorable for ports) than Eastern China's shoreline -India is democratic, China isn't. Yet despite these advantages, China has long overtaken India in several areas. -China is world's 2nd largest economy, India is world's 7th. -China has world's 2nd highest military spending, India has world's 5th. -China has world's 2nd highest research spending, while India is 6th. -China has literacy rate of 96.4%, India has literacy rate of 72.1%. -China has Global Hunger Index of 7.5(low) whereas India's is 31.4(serious) -China is world's 3rd largest arms exporter. India is world's largest arms importer. So what makes you think China should adopt Western democracy then? Look at India and it has literacy rate of 72.1%, which means over 25% of Indians are illiterate. Yet because of democracy, these illiterate Indians are allowed to vote in political decisions regarding the country's future? 1 in 4 people in India hasn't even attended school, so why allow them to vote in India's elections then? China is returning back to our status as a "wolf" through our means, while India is remaining a "dog" of the West because Britain forced democracy onto their colonies.
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  20396.  @Joe-pc3hs  As of 2015, China has 40,000 mosques, the highest number in the world. 1st place: Xinjiang, Muslim population 13.4 million, and over 24,000 mosques. 2nd place: Ningxia, Muslim population 2.5 million and over 4,000 mosques. 3rd place: Gansu, Muslim population 1.37 million and over 2,500 mosques. 4th place: Qinghai, Muslim population 1.15 million and over 930 mosques. 5th place: Yunnan, Muslim population 1.09 million and over 820 mosques. 6th Henan, Muslim population 1.02 million and more than 620 mosques. 7th place: Hebei, Muslim population 600,000, 578 mosques. 8th place: Shandong, Muslim population 540,000 and 506 mosques. 9th: An Hui, Muslim population 330,000, 121 mosques. 10th place: Liaoning, Muslim population 310,000, 119 mosques. Compare this to the five Central Asian countries bordering the Xinjiang region, with a total population of over 78 million and some 38.5 million followers of Islam. Xinjiang has a total population of 24 million and a total population of more than 10 million believers in Islam. There are four times more Muslims in the five Central Asian countries than in Xinjiang, but there are nearly five times more mosques in Xinjiang than in the five Central Asian countries. Xinjiang also has far more mosques than traditional Islamic countries such as Saudi Arabia, Turkey, Egypt and Iran. Iran has about 60 million Muslims and 5,400 mosques; Egypt has about 43 million Muslims and 17,000 mosques; Tunisia has about 7 million Muslims and only 650 mosques. The United States has 7-9 million Muslims yet the number of mosques in the United States is less than one-tenth of that in Xinjiang.
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  20445.  @gregbrogan9061  You said: "What is "independence" - all the same as "status quo" Those two concepts are not the same. At 18:28 of John Oliver's poll, we can see that only a minority (5.6%) of the people of Taiwan want independence, and that the majority of the people of Taiwan prefer the status quo to continue. So why are you conflating "independence" with "status quo" when they aren't not the same? "What - you think Taiwanese are stupid??" I never said that, but it is you who are clearly trying to twist the meaning behind the poll results, when clearly the majority of the people in Taiwan want the status quo to continue. And we've already established that the status quo according to Taiwan's constitution that Taiwan is part of China. "Aren't you embarrassed that only 1.5% want unification with the mainland?" I am satisfied with the reasonable poll results indicating that majority of people of Taiwan want the status quo to continue (for reasons I mentioned above). The problem with poll results is that things can change drastically from poll to poll, and the 1.5% wanting reunification with the mainland will inevitably increase as mainland China rises. "About 4x as many people would rather have war with China just to be able to say officially they are independent and change the constitution that you keep writing about - even if that means they could lose it all." That constitutes a small percent (5.6%) and my response to such people is that "Who is going to fight?" Even John Oliver mentioned at 20:03 that Taiwan Armed Forces is struggling to attract recruits because they see dwindling numbers of people willing to join the Taiwan military. "That should be so humiliating for the PRC! That is not evidence enough for you?" I mean, apparently you're not even from Taiwan yourself, yet you're trying feebly to make the claim that the people of Taiwan are either independent or want independence, when clearly Taiwan cannot join the UN or WHO and neither do the polls indicate that they want indepedence (majority wants the status quo to continue). And what evidence? I've made my arguments clear regarding Taiwan's constitution and the poll numbers, but you're being disingenuous by conflating "independence" with "status quo" when they are clearly not the same.
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  20448.  @gregbrogan9061  "神州 Shenzhou - Many now think Taiwan should have entrance into the UN and WHO. Many are getting tired of China's demands." Do you actually have proof of this? The Republic of China's most recent request for admission was turned down in 2007, then do you actually of proof that attitudes are changing? And since you claim Taiwan is independent that why Taiwan cannot join the UN and WHO? It goes to show that Taiwan isn't independent after all, since they can't even declare independence, neither can they join the UN or the WHO. "The USA now has military troops in Taiwan for the first time since 1979... clearly some countries don't pay much attention to China's demands." The people of Taiwan should look at the USA's shambolic withdrawal from Kabul, abandoning their allies, after spending 20 years and pouring trillions of dollars into Afghanistan, only to replace the Taliban with the Taliban. It is clear that the United States doesn't care about the people of Taiwan, they are using the island as a pawn to contain China. "The PRC promised 50 years of HK autonomy and rights - and China is not living up to that... crushed HK rights... You should be ashamed." PRC would have allowed Hong Kong to complete their 50 years of autonomy and rights, but then the 2019 Hong Kong riots happened. And then when Carrie Lam cancelled the Hong Kong extradition bill, the Hong Kong protestors and rioters continued for more than 1 year, even after the bill was cancelled, that's why mainland China had to introduce a Hong Kong National Security Law. Even under Hong Kong Basic Law Article 23, Hong Kong was to enact laws to prohibit any act of treason, secession, sedition, subversion against the Central People's Government, so this National Security Law has been a long time coming.
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  20450.  @gregbrogan9061  "神州 Shenzhou You say "How does your quoted statement of what I said even indicate that I know that more and more HK and Taiwan people don't even consider themselves to be Chinese?" Oh please!! Why would you be happy I acknowledge the people of HK and Taiwan are Chinese if this were not in question." Again, you choose to quote my statement "I'm glad you acknowledge the simple fact that the people in Taiwan and Hong Kong are Chinese." but where in this statement did I ever indicate that I know that more and more HK and Taiwan people don't even consider themselves to be Chinese? You are clearly imposing your own assumptions onto me when I never made such an indication. What's wrong with being glad that you acknowledge the simple fact that the people in Taiwan and Hong Kong are Chinese? It's like saying the people in Puerto Rico or Hawaii are Americans isn't it? "Are you saying I'm giving you too much credit for knowing what's going on in HK and Taiwan?" No, I'm just stating that I'm glad you acknowledge the simple fact that the people in Taiwan and Hong Kong are Chinese, that's all I'm saying. Since apparently you also share the same sentiment, then for what reason are we arguing about? "I was in HK during the protests... I witnessed it." Did you count all 2 million people in the protest? According to Hong Kong Police on the ground site, they estimated the number of protestors to be around 250,000 so why are you inflating the numbers to 2 million? I'd rather trust the HK Police (who have to deploy resources and manpower to supervise the protest) than someone who claims there's 2 million protestors just because he "was in HK during the protests... and he witnessed it." "Protesting is not like voting - where on earth have you ever seen 25% of a population protest???" We haven't established that there were 2 million protestors on the streets. I mean, for comparison, the population of Manhattan Island is around 1.6 million, so you're saying that there were more people protesting on the streets in Hong Kong than the population of Manhattan? And even if I give you the benefit of the doubt, 25% of a population is clearly not the majority of the population of Hong Kong.
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  20451.  @gregbrogan9061  "OMG!! Why were Hong Kong people protesting about the Hong Kong Extradition Bill???" But the Hong Kong Extradition Bill was proposed by Carrie Lam to cover up a legal loophole. A Hong Kong man (named Chan) had murdered his pregnant girlfriend in Taiwan and he flew back to Hong Kong leaving her body for the Taiwan authorities to discover. Taiwan wanted to extradite this HK murderer to face justice for his crimes, but because Hong Kong did not had an extradition treaty, they couldn't do so. And since the crime occurred in Taiwan, Hong Kong courts were powerless to convict Chan of murder after what he did in Taiwan, that's why the extradition bill was proposed. Did the Hong Kong protestors even read the extradition bill and understood its contents in their entirety before protesting on the streets? And even after the extradition bill been cancelled by Carrie Lam, the Hong Kong riots still continues unabated, that's why Beijing introduced Hong Kong National Security Law to restore peace and order to Hong Kong. And since the extradition bill has been cancelled, now a HK murder roams freely and there's no justice for the victim's family members. Furthermore, now that this legal loophole has been exposed, Hong Kong might become a safe haven for criminals after they committed crimes elsewhere and then flee to Hong Kong. "How does it feel to have your own people not trust you but trust foreigners? Isn't that humiliating for the PRC? It should be..." This is why the Hong Kong National Security Law is necessary, because foreign forces are infiltrating Hong Kong in order to use it as a pawn to contain the mainland. "Think dude, think... Please, try to use your brain. Use a little logic... Consider what you are saying!" Every word of mine is carefully considered to present my argument in a manner that's as clear and as succinctly as possible. On the other hand, why do you constantly resort to personal insults against me for my views? Just because my views happen to differ from yours?
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  20453.  @gregbrogan9061  "Have you ever been to Taiwan? Did you even watch this vid?" I've been to Taipei before and my opinion is that the buildings look old and some appear to be in disrepair. Taiwan had been under authoritarian single-party KMT rule for more than half its life. For decades the KMT ruled Taiwan with iron fist and Chiang kai-shek was a dictator who jailed and executed dissidents and political rivals (whether real or perceived) in a period known as White Terror (白色恐怖) and imposed martial law on Taiwan for more than 38 years, which was qualified as "the longest imposition of martial law by a regime anywhere in the world" at that time. But under authoritarian single-party KMT rule, Taiwan actually flourished and prospered, in what's known as the Taiwan Miracle (台湾奇迹). Between 1952 – 1982, Taiwan's economic growth was on average 8.7%, and between 1983 – 1986 at 6.9%. Taiwan GDP grew by 360% between 1965 – 1986. The percentage of global exports was over 2% in 1986, over other recently industrialized countries, and the global industrial production output grew a further 680% between 1965 – 1986. And its all been achieved under KMT leadership. Only in the late 1990s, when democracy was introduced (because USA threatened to cut off weapons sales to Taiwan) did Taiwan's economic growth became more modest. Since then, Taiwan's economy has stagnated, wages are stagnant, cost of living is rising, unemployment is rising and Taiwan graduates are increasingly seeking jobs abroad, such as in Singapore or mainland China. Even if you watched John Oliver's video, he clearly states this at 6:16
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  20457.  @gregbrogan9061  "Do you really not understand why Taiwan does not officially change its constitution?" The simple answer is because Taiwan isn't independent, since they can't even change their constitution, then it just means they aren't independent after all, if there's clearly some force controlling them and preventing them from doing things like joining the UN and WHO. It's all crystal clear to me, but it's like you're viewing Taiwan through lens that someone placed in front of you. "Obviously you know that China's 1.4 billion population is about 60x the 24 million population of Taiwan... So when China demands a one China policy, most countries play along with your official de jure word games." Not only mainland China demands it, even Taiwan agrees to the One China Policy that Taiwan is part of China (since the 1992 Consensus), and since there hasn't been any amendments, then Taiwan's agreement remains unchanged. "But just like I understand the de facto situation, there are a few dozen countries that have de facto embassies in Taiwan... And international bodies like the EU and the WTO.... even the Olympics recognize Taiwan separate of China." De facto embassies doesn't mean Taiwan is independent. Hong Kong has over 123 "de facto" embassies in many other countries, but Hong Kong is clearly part of China, as is Taiwan. The EU official position remains not to recognize Taiwan's statehood, and WTO and Olympics only recognize Taiwan as "Chinese Taipei" (aka part of China). I mean, clearly a truly independent country would have no problem setting up real embassies or gaining recognition in UN, and since Taiwan can't do that, then Taiwan is clearly not independent like you claimed.
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  20493. ​ @feonor26  You said: "Your culture today is nowhere near the culture of ancient China." A bold assumption. Have you actually been to China and experienced Chinese culture for yourself here? Chinese celebrate many traditional cultures and festivals, like for example, Spring Festival (Chinese New Year), Qingming (Tomb Sweeping) Festival, Dragon Boat Festival, Lantern Festival, Mid-Autumn Festival, Double Ninth (Chinese Valentine's Day) Festival, which are long ago festivals that are still celebrated today in China. You said: "The culture you have today is a product of Mao's communism. That dude almost destroyed your country." China's current political system (under President Xi and the Communist Party of China) closely emulates the ancient Chinese system of governance under the Emperor and the Imperial Court. And what makes you think Chinese history and culture is destroyed? China has many historical monuments like for example, the The Great Wall of China, the Forbidden City, The Qin Emperor Tomb (China's First Emperor), the Terracotta Army, The Grand Canal (world's longest artificial river). If you look up list of UNESCO World Heritage Sites, China actually ranks 2nd in the world after Italy. Countries by number of UNESCO World Heritage Sites as of July 2021 1. Italy (58 sites) 2. China (56 sites) 3. Germany (51 sites) 4. France (49 sites) 5. Spain (49 sites) 6. India (40 sites) 7. Mexico (35 sites) 8. United Kingdom (33 sites) 9. Russia (30 sites) 10. Iran (26 sites) ... Source: UNESCO World Heritage
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  20494.  @feonor26  You said: "Your culture today is nowhere near the culture of ancient China." A bold assumption. Have you actually been to China and experienced Chinese culture for yourself here? Chinese celebrate many traditional cultures and festivals, like for example, Spring Festival (Chinese New Year), Qingming (Tomb Sweeping) Festival, Dragon Boat Festival, Lantern Festival, Mid-Autumn Festival, Double Ninth (Chinese Valentine's Day) Festival, which are long ago festivals that are still celebrated today in China. You said: "The culture you have today is a product of Mao's communism. That dude almost destroyed your country." China's current political system (under President Xi and the Communist Party of China) closely emulates the ancient Chinese system of governance under the Emperor and the Imperial Court. And what makes you think Chinese history and culture is destroyed? China has many historical monuments like for example, the The Great Wall of China, the Forbidden City, The Qin Emperor Tomb (China's First Emperor), the Terracotta Army, The Grand Canal (world's longest artificial river). If you look up list of UNESCO World Heritage Sites, China actually ranks 2nd in the world after Italy. Countries by number of UNESCO World Heritage Sites as of July 2021 1. Italy (58 sites) 2. China (56 sites) 3. Germany (51 sites) 4. France (49 sites) 5. Spain (49 sites) 6. India (40 sites) 7. Mexico (35 sites) 8. United Kingdom (33 sites) 9. Russia (30 sites) 10. Iran (26 sites) ... Source: UNESCO World Heritage wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Heritage_Site#Countries_with_15_or_more_sites
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  20553.  @Darkademic  "Seems like you're being deliberately obtuse here. You can obviously live twice as long without changing your quality of life." You're quoting an unrelated example that doesn't apply to Africa. In Africa's case, the people didn't up to 30 because "they were rich and living exactly how they want" as you put it. The people lived short lives because of widespread hunger, disease, war, and other factors that clearly reducing their quality of life. Nowadays, more Africans have access to food, clean water, healthcare that is helping them live longer lives. Even though Africa's problems haven't been completely eliminated, the fact that Africans are living longer is due to an increase in their quality of life. "and the rise in life expectancy is just one of the things that coincides with the rise of capitalism which began in the 1800s." But the greatest increase in life expectancy occurred not in the 1800s, but in the 1900s with the founding of the Soviet Union (1930) and the People's Republic of China (1949). The proof is that the Rest (orange line) has the steepest gradient from 1900-2000 compared to the West (light blue line). "The increase in life expectancy around the world is a side-effect of capitalism" Once again, the greatest increase in life expectancy occurred from 1900-2000 (as shown in your graph) which when Soviet Union and China were founded. "The proportion of the world population China accounts for is irrelevant." China's population makes up 20% of the world's population, how is it irrelevant?
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  20574.  @Quarksi  What's wrong if a country chooses to ban a certain flag? My main point is that every country has their own set of laws on which flags or symbols being banned so what's your point then? And why are you constantly bringing Taiwan up into this discussion? I never compared Taiwan to Nazism, you're just putting words in my mouth that's all. And even in UK, a man was arrested for hanging Nazi flag in Neath, Wales. Source: Man arrested after swastika flag displayed in Neath itv.com/news/wales/2019-08-15/man-arrested-after-swastika-flag-displayed-in-neath/ Multiple people arrested over 2017 white nationalist rally in Charlottesville: A Caucasian nationalist carries a Nazi flag during a protest in Charlottesville bostonglobe.com/news/nation/2018/10/02/multiple-people-arrested-over-white-nationalist-rally-charlottesville/9rOBv5AWj4ZVbCWpZrrKXM/story.html Communist Symbols are banned in certain countries and you can get arrested for waving the flag. Scuffles broke out in several Ukrainian cities between people attending Victory Day events – some of whom carried banned communist flags or even symbols of Moscow-backed separatists fighting in eastern Ukraine – and nationalists who essentially regard the Soviet period as one of Russian occupation. Source:_ Ukraine police arrest dozens at tense Victory Day events_ irishtimes.com/news/world/europe/ukraine-police-arrest-dozens-at-tense-victory-day-events-1.3076865 A Russian court has ordered house arrest for four Muscovites accused of hanging a Ukrainian flag from a Soviet-era star atop a building near the Kremlin. Source: Four Russians Under House Arrest For Ukrainian Flag Stunt rferl.org/a/russia-skyscraper-ukrainian-flag/26544528.html But in China, you can wave the Communist Hammer and Sickle Flag freely without consequences. So every country have different levels of freedom and China is no exception.
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  20575.  @Quarksi  What's wrong with assuming your race? Didn't you yourself assume that I'm from mainland China, so why can't I make my own assumptions then? Most likely I'm right and you are Causasian American, but you just don't want to admit it that's all. And how on earth is it nationalistic for an American to say "F**K America"? You know one reason why America is apparently in decline? Because Americans aren't patriotic, you can dishonor your own country (even encouraged to do so) and any expressions of American patriotism is oftentimes mocked by other Americans. But China is growing stronger, because of Chinese nationalism, because Chinese people generally want China to become better and better. Isn't nationalism the glue that binds a people's country together? Earlier you only said "without any consequences" so when did I ever said anything about "consequences and government authority" are one and the same? And the consequence is that many African Americans will get offended by someone of non-African descent using the N-word against them and some may even retaliate with violence against such people. So there are consequences to "free speech" after all isn't? I never the cconsequences and government authority" are one and the same. YouTube is blocked in China yes, but its not breaking the law to access YouTube while in China. Which person has been arrested for logging onto YT while in China you tell me? Chinese companies like CGTN, CCTV, New China TV, etc can access YouTube, sometimes who says that accessing YouTube while in China is breaking the law?
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  20586.  @Quarksi  1. You assumed that I'm from the mainland, after I said that I'm Chinese. It's possible that I could have been overseas Chinese, but your assumption that I am mainland Chinese turned out to be right after all. And the fact that you chosen not to reveal your race add credence to the fact that my assumption is probably correct, that you are Caucasian American, because whether your race matters to whether you can apply the N-word to someone of African descent in America. 2. Yes I brought up the N-word as an example of restriction of free speech, because it clearly is a restriction of some sort and there are consequences to using the word in appropriately. You only mentioned "consequences" not government authority so how am I wrong then? 3. You said the "f**k America in itself isn't patriotic" so what's your point then? You can have your own opinions and assumptions, then why can't I have mine? 4. And for all your talk of freedom of speech, what makes you think Chinese people aren't free? Chinese are free to travel overseas for work, study or play. I mean, Everyone has heard of Chinese tourists visiting your countries and spending money on your economies. Western schools and universities are positively flooded with Chinese international students, studying the same topics as their peers and Chinese investors are buying up property in your lands. Source: China has world's most outbound tourists nationmultimedia.com/detail/travel/30355861 Source: China is now world's biggest source of international students scmp.com/news/china/society/article/1797429/china-now-worlds-biggest-source-international-students-more So what makes you think Chinese people aren't free? Chinese can be found virtually all over the globe today, since we make up 20% of the world's population after all.
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  20587.  @YinZhiLong  Carrie Lam has clearly formally withdrawn the HK extradition bill, yet the Hong Kong protestors still continue protesting for what? And she is open to dialogue so why don't the protestors talk this over with Carrie Lam over dialogue, instead of protesting? This is their chance to speak face to face with Carrie Lam, but they refuse to talk, only to make more unreasonable demands. And how to conduct actual investigation into HK police brutality when the Hong Kong protests are still ongoing you tell me? Hong Kong Police has their hands full dealing with the HK protestors and rioters, so how to spare the manpower, the time and resources to look into the matter? And you never answer any of my questions put before you, yet you want me to answer your question? I already explained so much, that the MTR spokesperson is not authorised to release footage, except to authorised personnel, that the HK rioters destroy CCTV cameras and spray paint over security cameras, so how to obtain footage of the events in MTR station? Majority of the Hong Kong protestors are high school kids who haven't even graduated from school yet they already think they know how to best govern Hong Kong? Their teenage minds haven't even matured and they haven't even stepped out into the real working world of adults, yet they already gotten swept up by political fervor. Look at the rest of Hong Kong's 7 million people and they aren't protesting. Working adults send their kids to school and go to work, and continue life as normal. These are the real Hong Kong people supporting HK economy, while the HK rioters are destroying the city that their parents and grandparents worked hard to build.
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  20588.  @Quarksi  Who are you to dictate what topic is to be discussed? The original topic is about Hollywood and Hong Kong but you just said to me that "However, considering you're from china it's probably illegal for you to consider any alternative possibility" so why you can suddenly switch the topic to mainland China? And I never said that social consequence is the same as governmental consequences. Look at your words "I'm an american and I can freely say" f**k America" whether I mean it or not, without any consequences" and no where did you ever said anything about social consequences or government consequences. Just "consequences" that's all. So clearly, mentioning the N-word has "consequences" depending on your race and who you uttered it to, so once again, how am I wrong? And who says China prevents citizens from expressing dissenting opinions? China sees an average of 500 protests daily, espousing a wide variety of grievances, including corruption, forced evictions, unpaid wages, human rights abuses, environmental degradation, ethnic protests, petitioning for religious freedom and civil liberties, protests against one-party rule, as well as nationalist protests against foreign countries. In 2006, the Chinese Academy of Social Sciences estimated the number of annual mass incidents to exceed 90,000, and Chinese sociology professor Sun Liping estimated 180,000 incidents in 2010. (or an average of 493 protests every day in 2010) I mean, have you ever been to China and see what life is like here for yourself? Then why do you claim that Chinese people aren't free you tell me? And your assumption that I'm mainland Chinese has proven to be correct, but if you refuse to disclose your race then I can't prove my assumption that you are Caucasian. Judging from your reactions, it's highly likely that you are Caucasian American, but just refuse to disclose it. And how is it considered racist to assume that you are Caucasian American because only Caucasians are the only Americans to disagree with me? I never said such a thing, I only use Caucasian in my N-word example became because it is clearly a race-related example that's all. Why are you jumping to conclusions and calling me racist because of your assumption that only Caucasian Americans disagree with me? I never said that at all. And to finish up, have you actually been to China and see what life is like here for yourself?
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  20657. @Santiago Rodriguez Newton What makes you think they won't have access to resources? The Chinese government is pouring funds into research and development, and China already has world's highest R&D spending according to the following source: Countries by Research and Development spending 1. China ($553.4 billion) 2. United States ($511.1 billion) 3. European Union ($379.0 billion) 4. Japan ($165.7 billion) 5. Germany ($118.8 billion) 6. South Korea ($91.6 billion) 7. India ($66.5 billion) 8. France ($60.0 billion) 9. United Kingdom ($44.8 billion) 10. Russia ($42.6 billion) ... Source: List of countries by research and development spending wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_research_and_development_spending#List In the West, researchers often have to worry about funding, so they write papers and cite other peoples work to improve their credibility, so that they can expand their academic circles, get approval of grants so that they can publish more papers. It has degenerated into an academic system and many researcher's ideas remain on paper, instead of being turned into actual products. Whereas in China, research funds are available at all tiers of society, from corporate to government sector, and a struggling research can easily get a $40,000 funding approval, thus freeing the researcher to concentrate on his/her research instead of having to worry about funding. The idea-to-product transition time in China is short too, so many researchers can feel a sense of satisfaction, witnessing their ideas being turned to actual products.
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  20689. If you look at their political systems, all four of them achieved rapid economic growth under authoritarian leadership of some form. The Kuomintang ruled Taiwan with an iron fist, jailing/purging political rivals (a period known as White Terror in Taiwan) and imposed martial law on Taiwan for 38 years, which was qualified as "the longest imposition of martial law by a regime anywhere in the world" at that time. Yet under single-party KMT rule, Taiwan's economy flourished in what's known as the Taiwan Miracle (台湾奇迹). Singapore, even till today, has always been governed under a single-party (PAP) and Lee Kuan Yew (Singapore's founder) was a dictator who jailed/exiled his political rivals. Yet Singapore transformed from a sleepy fishing village nation into a world class country under the PAP. In Korea, South Korean dictator Park Chung-hee introduced economic reforms that eventually led to rapid economic growth and industrialization and was credited with the Miracle on the Han River (漢江의 奇蹟) although he also became increasingly authoritarian. Political opposition was constantly repressed and Park had complete control of the military, and much control over the media. Lastly, Hong Kong's rapid economic growth was achieved while it was still a British colony under authoritarian rule (before the 1997 handover and the One Country, Two Systems policy). This shows that not all countries/states have to adopt Western-style democracy to be successful and the Four Asian Dragons/Tigers are living proof of this.
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  20753.  @koblongata  China has the world's largest population at 1.4 billion people, what makes you seem to think we don't have our own independent media in China? For example, how'd you come by the news on that woman if there aren't any independent media in China? You really think the entire population of China gets our news from a single source? "No, countries in the free world are doing great, in much better shape than real estate debt-ridden China really." Rising inflation, rising gas prices, food prices, rising healthcare costs, rising student debt, and how are the rest of the "free world" in better shape than China? The botched U.S withdrawal of Afghanistan has shaken U.S allies belief in the U.S military ability, and the unfolding NATO crisis is another example of how the United States is in decline. "No, Russia created the mess first in Afghanistan which led to crumbling of USSR." Russia eventually left Afghanistan, it's the CIA-trained Mujahadeen remnants in Afghanistan that eventually became Al-Qaeda and other terrorists groups, leading to 9/11 and eventually the U.S invasion of Afghanistan, occupation for over 20 years and withdrawal, leaving chaos in its haste to depart. "The US Afghanistan gov was wimpy and corrupted, the US obviously gave up." So not all countries want to accept this Western-style democracy that U.S imposes onto them and Afghanistan is one example. They tasted democracy for 20 years, yet they still choose the Taliban instead of fighting to defend democracy, this is their overall choice as a country. "But notice that people scrambled to go with the US and were scared to death when Taliban came? They did not choose this, they are simply terrified of Taliban and China." Because those Afghans served the U.S Army as interpreters, scouts, spies, double agents, etc, and were perceived as traitors by the Taliban. But the Taliban had promised amnesty for their previous enemies and they just want peace so that Afghan can begin picking up the pieces of their broken country and start rebuilding. Additionally, the U.S offered American citizenship to any Afghan ally that helped them in Afghanistan, that's why many scrambled for the airports. But once again, the vast majority of Afghanistan remained in their country, and the 300,000-member strong Afghan Army rather surrender to the Taliban than stand and fight to the death for Western democracy. So overall, Afghanistan rejected democracy. And why are you suddenly inserting people being "terrified of China" into the Afghan situation? China has literally nothing to do with Afghanistan's situation to bring about fear of it. "It's a shame it has to end this way, especially for Afghanistan women, that definitely had no choice, Afghanistan is in a new dark age now." You can blame the U.S withdrawal from Afghanistan for that. As for Afghan women, there are Islamic countries, like Saudi Arabia for example, where Muslim society is more conservative compared to Western societies. Afghanistan is also a Muslim county and they've chosen such a path for themselves (even after tasting Western democracy for 20 years) And ironically, the U.S is buddy buddy with Saudi Arabia, they even refused to denounce the Saudi Crown Prince killing of a reporter (Khashoggi), so the actual fact is that the U.S doesn't care about human rights here. "$7 billion is not much really, and the US has the right to claim it because Taliban bombed the World Trade Center." $7 billion is a lot of money, especially to an impoverished country like Afghanistan, and Taliban did not bomb the World Trade Center in the USA, it was al-Qaeda that did so. I thought you boasted earlier that you have access to information in the "free world" yet you didn't know this? Just like you didn't know China was the world's largest recipient of foreign investment in 2020, yet you just blurt out that investments are leaving China recently?
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  20754.  @koblongata  How'd you come by the news on that woman if there aren't any independent media in China? You really think the entire population of China gets our news from a single source? "No, countries in the free world are doing great, in much better shape than real estate debt-ridden China really." Rising inflation, rising gas prices, food prices, rising healthcare costs, rising student debt, and how are the rest of the "free world" in better shape than China? "No, Russia created the mess first in Afghanistan which led to crumbling of USSR." Russia eventually left Afghanistan, it's the CIA-trained Mujahadeen remnants in Afghanistan that eventually became Al-Qaeda and other terrorists groups, leading to 9/11 and eventually the U.S invasion of Afghanistan, occupation for over 20 years and withdrawal, leaving chaos in its haste to depart. "The US Afghanistan gov was wimpy and corrupted, the US obviously gave up." So not all countries want to accept this Western-style democracy that U.S imposes onto them and Afghanistan is one example. They tasted democracy for 20 years, yet they still choose the Taliban instead of fighting to defend democracy, this is their overall choice as a country. "But notice that people scrambled to go with the US and were scared to death when Taliban came? They did not choose this, they are simply terrified of Taliban and China." Because those Afghans served the U.S Army as interpreters, scouts, spies, double agents, etc, and were perceived as traitors by the Taliban. But the Taliban had promised amnesty for their previous enemies and they just want peace so that Afghan can begin picking up the pieces of their broken country and start rebuilding. Additionally, the U.S offered American citizenship to any Afghan ally that helped them in Afghanistan, that's why many scrambled for the airports. But once again, the vast majority of Afghanistan remained in their country, and the 300,000-member strong Afghan Army rather surrender to the Taliban than stand and fight to the death for Western democracy. So overall, Afghanistan rejected democracy. And why are you suddenly inserting people being "terrified of China" into the Afghan situation? China has literally nothing to do with Afghanistan's situation to bring about fear of it. "It's a shame it has to end this way, especially for Afghanistan women, that definitely had no choice, Afghanistan is in a new dark age now." You can blame the U.S withdrawal from Afghanistan for that. As for Afghan women, there are Islamic countries, like Saudi Arabia for example, where Muslim society is more conservative compared to Western societies. Afghanistan is also a Muslim county and they've chosen such a path for themselves (even after tasting Western democracy for 20 years) And ironically, the U.S is buddy buddy with Saudi Arabia, they even refused to denounce the Saudi Crown Prince killing of a reporter (Khashoggi), so the actual fact is that the U.S doesn't care about human rights here. "$7 billion is not much really, and the US has the right to claim it because Taliban bombed the World Trade Center." $7 billion is a lot of money, especially to an impoverished country like Afghanistan, and Taliban did not bomb the World Trade Center in the USA, it was al-Qaeda that did so. I thought you boasted earlier that you have access to information in the "free world" yet you didn't know this? Just like you didn't know China was the world's largest recipient of foreign investment in 2020, yet you just blurt out that investments are leaving China recently?
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  20755.  @koblongata  How'd you come by the news on that woman if there aren't any independent media in China? You really think the entire population of China gets our news from a single source? "No, countries in the free world are doing great, in much better shape than real estate debt-ridden China really." Rising inflation, rising gas prices, food prices, rising healthcare costs, rising student debt, and how are the rest of the "free world" in better shape than China? "No, Russia created the mess first in Afghanistan which led to crumbling of USSR." Russia eventually left Afghanistan, it's the CIA-trained Mujahadeen remnants in Afghanistan that eventually became Al-Qaeda and other terrorists groups. "The US Afghanistan gov was wimpy and corrupted, the US obviously gave up." So not all countries want to accept this Western-style democracy that U.S imposes onto them and Afghanistan is one example. They tasted democracy for 20 years, yet they still choose the Taliban instead of fighting to defend democracy, this is their overall choice as a country. "But notice that people scrambled to go with the US and were scared to death when Taliban came? They did not choose this, they are simply terrified of Taliban and China." Because those Afghans served the U.S Army as interpreters, scouts, spies, double agents, etc, and were perceived as traitors by the Taliban. Additionally, the U.S offered American citizenship to any Afghan ally that helped them in Afghanistan, that's why many scrambled for the airports. But once again, the vast majority of Afghanistan remained in their country, and the 300,000-member strong Afghan Army rather surrender to the Taliban than stand and fight to the death for Western democracy. So overall, Afghanistan rejected democracy. And why are you suddenly inserting people being "terrified of China" into the Afghan situation? China has literally nothing to do with Afghanistan's situation to bring about fear of it. "It's a shame it has to end this way, especially for Afghanistan women, that definitely had no choice, Afghanistan is in a new dark age now." You can blame the U.S withdrawal from Afghanistan for that. "$7 billion is not much really, and the US has the right to claim it because Taliban bombed the World Trade Center." $7 billion is a lot of money, especially to an impoverished country like Afghanistan, and Taliban did not bomb the World Trade Center in the USA, it was al-Qaeda that did so.
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  20756.  @koblongata  How'd you come by the news on that woman if there aren't any independent media in China? You really think the entire population of China gets our news from a single source? Rising inflation, rising gas prices, food prices, rising healthcare costs, rising student debt, and how are the rest of the "free world" in better shape than China? Russia eventually left Afghanistan, it's the CIA-trained Mujahadeen remnants in Afghanistan that eventually became Al-Qaeda and other terrorists groups. You said: "But notice that people scrambled to go with the US and were scared to death when Taliban came? They did not choose this, they are simply terrified of Taliban and China." Because those Afghans served the U.S Army as interpreters, scouts, spies, double agents, etc, and were perceived as traitors by the Taliban. Additionally, the U.S offered American citizenship to any Afghan ally that helped them in Afghanistan, that's why many scrambled for the airports. But once again, the vast majority of Afghanistan remained in their country, and the 300,000-member strong Afghan Army rather surrender to the Taliban than stand and fight to the death for Western democracy. So overall, Afghanistan rejected democracy. And why are you suddenly inserting people being "terrified of China" into the Afghan situation? China has literally nothing to do with Afghanistan's situation to bring about fear of it. $7 billion is a lot of money, especially to an impoverished country like Afghanistan, and Taliban did not bomb the World Trade Center in the USA, it was al-Qaeda that did so.
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  20774. Western journalists predictions about China's economy since 1990: 1990. The Economist: China's economy has come to a halt. 1996. The Economist: China's economy will face a hard landing. 1998. The Economist: China's economy entering a dangerous period of sluggish growth. 1999. Bank of Canada: Likelihood of a hard landing for the Chinese economy. 2000. Chicago Tribune: China currency move nails hard landing risk coffin. 2001. Wilbanks, Smith & Thomas: A hard landing in China. 2002. Westchester University: China Anxiously Seeks a Soft Economic Landing. 2003. New York Times: Banking crisis imperils China. 2004. The Economist: The great fall of China? 2005. Nouriel Roubini: The Risk of a Hard Landing in China. 2006. International Economy: Can China Achieve a Soft Landing? 2007. TIME: Is China's Economy Overheating? Can China avoid a hard landing? 2008. Forbes: Hard Landing In China? 2009. Fortune: China's hard landing. China must find a way to recover. 2010. Nouriel Roubini: Hard landing coming in China. 2011. Business Insider: A Chinese Hard Landing May Be Closer Than You Think. 2012: American Interest: Dismal Economic News from China: A Hard Landing. 2013. Zero Hedge: A Hard Landing In China. 2014. CNBC: A hard landing in China. 2015. Forbes: Congratulations, You Got Yourself A Chinese Hard Landing. 2016. The Economist: Hard landing looms for China. 2017. National Interest: Is China's Economy Going To Crash. 2018. The Daily Reckoning: China's Coming Financial Meltdown. 2019. BBC: China's Economic Slowdown: How worried should we be? 2020. New York Times: Coronavirus Could End China's Decades-Long Economic Growth Streak. 2021. Bloomberg: Chinese economy risks deeper slowdown than markets realize. 2022. Bloomberg: China Surprise Data Could Spell RECESSION. 2023. Bloomberg: No word should be off-limits to describe China's faltering economy. ... Yet it is already 2025 and China's economy is still growing.
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  20797.  Gus YAO  Chiang kai-Shek even served in the Japanese Army from 1909 to 1911. He purged communists from KMT and their removal of Communists from within the ranks allowed him free reign to give himself what amounted to dictatorial power over much of China. Source: 11 Things You Should Know About Chiang Kai-shek https://theculturetrip.com/asia/taiwan/articles/11-things-know-chiang-kai-shek/ When the Japanese invaded Manchuria, Chiang refused to face the Japanese invaders, until two of his subordinates, Generals Zhang Xueliang and Yang Hucheng, had to kidnap him to get him to ally with the communists in a united front against the Japanese. (Xi'an Incident) Additionally, the Communists actually saved his leadership, and it’s often forgotten that without the Communists’ help, Chiang would never have survived as a political force, since was the communists who convinced the officers to release Chiang and allow him to take control of the government once again. Chiang’s efforts against the Japanese gained him some influential friends. And although the Communist General Mao was responsible for much of the damage inflicted upon the Japanese, it was Chiang who got the credit mainly from Britain and the US. When civil war broke out in China, Chiang expected help from the allies, but after a long campaign against both the Japanese and the Germans, the US and Britain were reluctant to get involved in a civil war. His Western ‘friends’ literally abandoned him. He suppressed local culture in Taiwan (White Terror) and was responsible for the imprisonment of 140,000 Taiwanese. These people were taken captive for their alleged opposition to the KMT. At this time, anyone openly criticizing the ruling party was deemed a Communist sympathizer. He held the Taiwan presidency for 25 years. He held the Taiwan under a permanent state of martial law, thus ensuring his power was absolute. In fact, the constitution only allowed for two terms in power, but with martial law as his excuse, Chiang could rule indefinitely.
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  20890.  @phantasmaleye3879  2012 is already after the 1997 Hong Kong handover, how's that a different story? I have shown that Hong Kong already held more elections after the 1997 handover than it ever did for 150 years as British colony, so what's your argument about decline in democracy in Hong Kong when they had virtually none as British colony? You're just going to keep accusing me of being uninformed? Look, Hong Kong actually prospered under British colonial rule and only because democracy was introduced that HK began to decline today. All those HK protests is because of democracy, that's why Hong Kong economy is in recession, so what's the point of democracy? Previously, Hong Kong was a thriving port city under British colonial rule, while the mainland was still dirt-poor at that time. Today however, fortunes have reversed and Hong Kong has since fallen behind rising mainland port cities like Shanghai, Shenzhen, Guangzhou, Ningbo-Zhousan, and is facing increasing levels of competition from other upcoming mainland port cities like Qingdao, Tianjin, Xiamen, Dalian. Here's a list of busiest ports. Source: List of busiest container ports wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_busiest_container_ports Source: List of busiest ports by cargo tonnage wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_busiest_ports_by_cargo_tonnage#2012%E2%80%932017 No wonder why the people of Hong Kong feel like they're slowly being left behind as mainland cities start surpassing Hong Kong. "And the protestors did register, only to be denied a permit" That means that the marches are illegal and those HK protestors are protesting illegally. HK police is following the Rule of Law by arresting those illegal protests. Have you seen the video of HK rioters dousing a man in flammable liquid and setting him on fire? Just because he disagreed with their views?
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  20893.  @phantasmaleye3879  You can't refute my points so you resort to hurling personal insults like calling me ignorant and uninformed? Hong Kong held more elections after the 1997 handover so that already means that Hong Kong is more democratic today than before. And Hong Kong was actually prosperous under authoritarian British colonial rule, so why should Hong Kong adopt democracy then? Because Westerners say so? Look at prosperous Shenzhen in the mainland, just across from Hong Kong and Shenzhen’s economic growth surpassed Hong Kong's in 2017. Source: Shenzhen surpasses US$338 billion GDP mark in 2017, beats Hong Kong and Singapore’s growth scmp.com/news/china/economy/article/2128310/shenzhen-88-cent-hi-tech-growth-roll-hit-y2tr-2017 Shenzhen is roughly the same economic size as Singapore and Hong Kong, but recorded nominal output of 2.2 trillion yuan (US$338 billion) in 2017 thanks to its booming hi-tech sector. Over 40% of the output came from “innovative” businesses such as internet, biotech and telecom. And that's despite Shenzhen being under communist party rule, while Hong Kong is suffering under its own democratic government. Hong Kong police does not deny people from protesting, but if they fail to submit the proper documentation or meet the requirements then they aren't allowed to protest. Hong Kong Basic Law also states that the police are allowed to enforce rule of law in Hong Kong. And Hong Kong will eventually be fully returned back to China by 2047 anyway, once the Sino-British declaration finally expires after 50 years after the 1997 handover. How is Hong Kong's government under Beijing's control? Beijing does not cast any votes in Hong Kong's elections, all Beijing does is appoint the Chief Executive according to Hong Kong Basic Law Article 45 (香港基本法第四十五條) which states the following: "The Chief Executive of the Hong Kong Special Administrative Region shall be selected by election or through consultations held locally and be appointed by the Central People's Government." "The method for selecting the Chief Executive shall be specified in the light of the actual situation in the Hong Kong Special Administrative Region and in accordance with the principle of gradual and orderly progress." So Beijing (Central People's Government) is not breaking any laws by appointing the Hong Kong Chief Executive and Beijing can modify the method in light of the actual situation in Hong Kong.
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  20902.  @phantasmaleye3879  In your first source, so because Ren Zhengfei, the founder of the company, served as an engineer in the army in the early 1980s, suddenly means that Huawei is spying for the government? In a 2011 open letter, Huawei stated that the security concerns are "unfounded and unproven" and called on the U.S. government to investigate any aspect of its business. The Uighurs in Xinjiang are Chinese citizens by birth and they are receiving a proper Chinese education, learning Mandarin Chinese (national language of China) Chinese history and cultivating patriotism towards their homeland, China. Just like the Hawaiins in Hawaii are American Citizens by birth and they learn English at school, American history and cultivate patriotism towards their homeland, America. What's Huawei supplying surveillance technology to Xinjiang Uighur Autonomous Region even got to do with sales of allegations of Huawei espionage in the West? Huawei actually spans much of the globe despite US attempts to ban it. Source: China's Tech Giant Huawei Spans Much Of The Globe Despite U.S. Efforts To Ban It npr.org/2019/10/24/759902041/chinas-tech-giant-huawei-spans-much-of-the-globe-despite-u-s-efforts-to-ban-it ALLOWED Angola, Argentina, Armenia, Austria, Bahrain, Bangladesh, Belarus, Brazil, Cambodia, China, Cyprus, Egypt, Estonia, Faroe Islands, France, Germany, Hong Kong, Hungary, Iceland, Indonesia, Iraq, Italy, Kazakhstan, Kenya, Kuwait, Latvia, Malaysia, Maldives, Mauritius, Moldova, Monaco, Mozambique, Myanmar, Nepal, Netherlands, Oman, Pakistan, Papua New Guinea, Philippines, Poland, Portugal, Qatar, Russia, Samoa, Saudi Arabia, Serbia, Slovakia, South Africa, South Korea, Spain, Turkey, United Arab Emirates, United Kingdom, Uzbekistan BANNED Australia, Japan, New Zealand, United States
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  20912.  @phantasmaleye3879  You refuse to give me any more information about your uncle's arrest, such as what crime he committed, so how am I to verify your anecdotal evidence? I've already shown that some countries consider sleep deprivation not a violation of human rights, so how is it against the rule of law? You're only using your own personal feelings as evidence that's all, and if sleep deprivation is considered acceptable in China then how is it against the rule of law? It's just like earlier you suddenly change the definition of "prosper" to suit your own definition, even after I cited the definition of prosper. You're anti-China, you care absolutely nothing for China's interests nor do you wish to see China succeed. So why pretend that you aren't anti-China when you clearly are? Granted, the Communist Party of China is not perfect (then again which government body truly is?) but despite its initial failures and setbacks, under its leadership, China's population doubled, our lifespans doubled, our literacy rates doubled, and our poverty rates plummeted. The graph below shows life-expectencies across China, USA and India. Source: Life expectancy at birth, total (years) - China, India, United States data.worldbank.org/indicator/SP.DYN.LE00.IN?locations=CN-IN-US China was once a dirt-poor, war-torn, starving country similar to India (world's largest democracy) in the past, but today, China has since transformed into world's 2nd largest economy, the world's factory (Made in China) having world's 2nd highest R&D spending, protected by world's largest land army, the People's Liberation Army, funded by world's 2nd highest military expenditure. And it's all been achieved under communist party leadership, despite Western anti-Communist propaganda constantly denouncing China's success all along.
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  20925. Rohit Maity Yes I did say that in another comment. Chinese loans have high interest, because it is a risky investment into volatile countries like Pakistan and African countries, and higher interests are needed to justify for the risks involve. That's why Western banks refuse to approve loans to these countries due to the high risk involve in building infrastructure in such conflict prone regions. Otherwise, nobody is stopping Pakistan and other countries from borrowing from other banks besides Chinese banks if they want to. Chinese government don't recruit Africans to be engineers, because they simply aren't qualified enough to lead the projects. Chinese engineers are still more experienced at building infrastructure than local African engineers, so they are hired. About Doklam, You say its because of defense treaty, but is Bhutan being attacked here? If not, then why is Indian army being called into Doklam when it is a territorial dispute by our countries? China has produced evidence in the form of the 1890 treaty (Convention of Calcutta) showing that Doklam is part of Chinese territory. But what evidence has Bhutan shown for its claims to Doklam? Nothing. Yet India just believe Bhutan when it says Doklam is theirs? According to your article, how did China threaten India? All the PLA said is that such actions would result in “a negative influence” on stability along the border that's all. Do you see PLA retaliating by deploying missiles to India-China border? When did China oppose India building a road with Bangladesh? Did PLA troops actually physically stop Indian troops from building a road to Bangladesh? Otherwise how can you claim India can't build a road to Bangladesh because of China? How is China going to stop India from building a road to Bangladesh?
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  20970. +Ashutosh Sharma Because you appeared to abuse angry words and even hurled vulgarities such as C**t Commie P**ssy so it gives off the impression that you are somehow angry at China's "communism". Despite our political system, China even launched the world's first quantum satellite Micus 墨子 in 2016, and proved that the quantum entanglement phenomena works at distances above the stratosphere, and smashing the previous world record on the ground. Quantum satellite achieves 'spooky action' at record distance video: youtube.com/watch?v=4QlcKuxDGrs In a nutshell, quantum entanglement is when two subatomic particles can become "entangled" and somehow influence each other states, seemingly regardless of the distance involved. One particle could be located on the surface of the Moon, the other on the surface on the Earth, and they can still influence each other's states. Previously, scientists have shown that this phenomena works at a distance of 143 km in the Canary Islands, but China's quantum satellite enabled two ground stations (Delinghua and Lijiang) located 1200 km apart to communicate. This is a great breakthrough for science, because it proves quantum entanglement occurs even at distance above the stratosphere, and quantum communication may someday form the foundation of space communications. It also happens to be extremely difficult to hack and provides high security communications. So what kind of advice are you giving me? I am happy and proud of my country's achievements. But are you happy yourself with your country's achievements? Why do you seem to hurl angry words at other countries for their successes?
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  20971. +Ashutosh Sharma You even made disgusting remarks about licking President Xi's semen off his toilet floor! Why make such lewd remarks if you yourself aren't angry? Its okay to be proud of your country's achievements, by why bitterly mock other countries for their achievements? Doesn't that show that you yourself lack spiritual development internally, when you intentionally lash out at others? Besides our quantum satellite in space, in 2017 Chinese scientists also made quantum computing machine that is 24,000 times faster than its international counterparts and may dwarf the processing power of existing supercomputers. A team of researchers from University of Science and Technology of China made their announcement at a press conference in the Shanghai Institute for Advanced Studies of University of Science and Technology of China. World's first quantum computing machine made in China Source: economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/science/worlds-first-quantum-computing-machine-made-in-china/articleshow/58492628.cms 'The world's first quantum computing machine' Video: youtube.com/watch?v=Vw1bKuSe49A The test results show the sampling rate of this prototype is at least 24,000 times faster than international counterparts and at the same time, the prototype quantum computing machine is 10 to 100 times faster than the first electronic computer, ENIAC, and the first transistor computer, TRADIC, in running the classical algorithm. As for the future, the world is not static and is always changing with the times. Change is the only constant and some people just remain stuck at one period of history and refuse to change. Even beliefs themselves change with the times, and not too long ago, many people believed in gods and a higher existence (and some people still do today) but still the future is always uncertain. Maybe gods really do exist, but people today just can't see them or lack the abilities to detect their presence..
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  20972. +Ashutosh Sharma China doesn't allow India into Nuclear Suppliers Group because India did not sign the Non-Proliferation Treaty whereas all other countries that have membership in NSG have signed the NPT. So why India gets a special case here, to join NSG without first signing NPT? Also, India is not a close ally of China, and have been opposing China numerous times, such as when India provided sanctuary to 14th Dalai Lama after he fled from Tibet. This increases China's suspicion towards India for harboring Dalai Lama. Furthermore, Pakistan has been friendly to China since the beginning and supported us at every turn, so by denying India entry into NSG, we are doing our ally a favor. Why help those who treat us as enemy, and forsake our long-time ally, our "iron-brother" Pakistan? About the UN Security Council, the United Nations was formed around 1945 by the victorious Allies and they made 5 countries permanent members which are United States of America, the United Kingdom, France, Soviet Union (Russia) and Republic of China. Ever since then, these countries have the power to veto any UN decision and its likely that we will keep this power to ourselves. India at that time was still a British Colony (Republic of India was founded in 1947) so it wasn't part of the UN Security Council, else Britain would have gained 2 votes instead of 1 vote. You hate authoritarian regime? Does that mean you are happy with your democracy? Why lash out angrily at authoritarian regime that has proven to be more successful than your democracy? China is authoritarian regime yet we have made great advances in sciences, supercomputing, quantum computing and have become a modern space nation. Quantum computing (which are more powerful than even supercomputers) have multiple uses such as help scientists solve difficult equations in research, for drug testing, weather forecasting, climate research, oil and gas exploration, and so on. It can also be applied to military uses such as hacking and cybersecurity, and even stealth submarines! A submarine with a quantum navigation system could operate underwater for more than 3 months without the need to surface for positioning satellite signals. After operating for 100 days underwater the captain would still be able to pinpoint the vessel’s position in the Pacific Ocean with a margin of error of just a few hundred metres. China building world’s biggest quantum research facility source: scmp.com/news/china/society/article/2110563/china-building-worlds-biggest-quantum-research-facility As for how is China any different from the USA, well, China today is at peace and not at war with any country, as our People's Liberation Army troops has had zero actual combat experience since our last major war in 1979. Instead of making war on others, China is developing our country, building roads, infrastructure, railways, highways, bridges in China as well as in other countries like Pakistan, Sri Lanka, Bangladesh, Nepal, etc, and even in African countries like Nigeria, Kenya, Angola, etc. China is home to the world's largest highspeed railway system, surpassing even Japan's Shinkansen hi-speed rail in terms of track length, speed and comfort. Here is a fun video about balancing a coin, a pen, a smartphone and an upside down bottle near the window of a moving hi-speed train in China. Watch how long coin can balance on high-speed train traveling at 350 kph video: youtube.com/watch?v=fumYdO9XknE But the USA is a warmonger, involved in Gulf War, Iraq War, Afghan War, Libyan War, etc, even in the 21st century! USA is bombing those countries, destroying property and cutting off those countries heads (Saddam Hussein, Muammar Gaddafi, etc) and then installing their own US puppet governments in place. Now USA is eyeing Syria and the Assad Regime is next on the list.
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  20973. +Ashutosh Sharma Then why India doesn't even want to sign the NPT, but still wants to get into the NSG? If India's intention is to start proliferating nuclear weapons then why should China let you into NSG? Pakistan is its own sovereign country (as recognized by India) and Pakistan has been a good friend to China, so we help them develop infrastructure, through the China-Pakistan Economic Corridor project. Pakistan is still unstable government and with civil unrest, so hopefully, through CPEC, there will be work for Pakistanis, and the economic development will help stabilize the country and help it prosper. The Aksai Chin is a word where aksai literally means "white brook and chin refers to China. Also, back in 1950s, Chinese Premier Zhou Enlai proposed the Five Principles of Peaceful Coexistence 和平共处五项原则 in his talk to the Indian delegation at the start of the negotiations that took place in Beijing from December 1953 to April 1954 between representatives of the Chinese and Indian governments on relations between the two countries in Tibet. But then Indian PM Nehru provided sanctuary to 14th Dalai Lama, a wanted fugitive by China, and that makes China suspicious of India's intentions regarding Tibet. So why should China admit India into NSG, when India has been politically opposing China? Even in Doklam standoff, Chinese PLA troops were building a road at our border with Bhutan, but the Indian Army send troops across Chinese territory to blockade China, even when Doklam/Donglong is not part of Indian territory in the first place. If you treat China like the enemy, then don't be surprised if Chinese people starts treating you like one as well. Where did you heard that China kills babies alive? Is this another one of your anti-China propaganda? Besides China's advances in supercomputers and quantum computing, China is also advancing rapidly in Artificial Intelligence, and we recently unveiled the world's first AI News Anchor. The government is also funding many companies to promote AI research. Even in everyday mobile phone usage Chinese mobile phone apps are just as good as USA and sometimes even better. Video: AI in China youtube.com/watch?v=4Gk6mxKXKTk For example, in China with your smartphone, you can pay for services, shop online, make purchases, have them shipped to your doorstep, order food, book dental appoints, book airline tickets, book taxis, pay the fare, etc, all just using a single app, WeChat whereas the Western WhatsApp is not as useful and that's why WhatsApp is copying China's WeChat. Source: WhatsApp looks to copy China's Tencent-owned WeChat afr.com/technology/apps/business/whatsapp-looks-to-copy-chinas-tencentowned-wechat-20170411-gvihge
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  20974. Ashutosh Sharma As far as I know, Youtube is not banned in China, merely blocked, and people use VPN to access Western websites like YT. Chinese people knew what it was like to eat dirt to survive and being paid peanuts but we persevered to make China a success through hard work. According to World Bank, China’s poverty rate fell from 88% in 1981 to a mere 6.5% in 2012. According to UNESCO, adult literacy rate of China increased from 65.5% in 1982 to a whopping 96.4% in 2015 growing at an average annual rate of 10.39%. As for India, you said "Never will be people raised above poverty line without use of force with India being only exception." which is wrong, because many European countries have lifted people out of poverty without the use of force, especially the Scandinavian countries like Finland, Norwar, and so on. I have never said "everything is Hunky Dory in China and rest of the whole world is wrong." From where did you get that impression? You finally answered by question. If India didn't signed the NPT, then China reserves the right not to admit India into NSG that's all. Why is it called force fed lies? You refuse to sign the NPT yet want to blame China for not letting you in? Pakistan acquired nuclear weapons when the Pakistani scientist, Abdul Qadeer Khan, obtained knowledge of uranium enrichment process due to lack security from a Netherlands company (URENCO Group) and brought the knowledge back to Pakistan at the end of 1974. The most difficult step in building a nuclear weapon is the production of fissile material, as such, his work in producing fissile material as head of the Kahuta Project was pivotal to Pakistan developing the capability to detonate a nuclear bomb by the end of 1984. As for North Korea, in 1963, N. Korea asked the Soviet Union for help in developing nuclear weapons, but was refused. The Soviet Union agreed to help N. Korea develop a peaceful nuclear energy program, including training nuclear scientists. Later, China similarly rejected North Korean requests for help with developing nuclear weapons. The U.S. government had also agreed to facilitate the supply of two light water reactors (which are "more proliferation-resistant but not "proliferation proof") to N. Korea. By 2002, Pakistan had admitted that North Korea had gained access to Pakistan's nuclear technology in the late 1990s. Source: Wikipedia: Pakistan and weapons of mass destruction wikipedia.org/wiki/Pakistan_and_weapons_of_mass_destruction Source: Wikipedia: North Korea and weapons of mass destruction wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Korea_and_weapons_of_mass_destruction So I fail to see how China has any involvement in Pakistan or North Korea acquiring nuclear weapons. It just looks like you are constantly blaming China for all of India's woes that's all, from what you keep describing so far. Now for more of China's achievements, China built the world's largest radio telescope, the Five-hundred-meter Aperture Spherical Telescope (FAST) also known as Tianyan 天眼 "Eye of the Heavens" that will help scientists learn more about the universe's early days, detect low-frequency gravitational waves and hunt for signals that may have been produced by distant alien civilizations. With a dish the size of 30 football fields, FAST is by far the largest single-aperture telescope in the world (though arrays that link up multiple radio dishes cover more ground). The previous record holder in the field is the 1,000-foot-wide (300 meters) Arecibo Observatory in Puerto Rico. Source: China Finishes Building World's Largest Radio Telescope. space.com/33357-china-largest-radio-telescope-alien-life.html The larger the radio dish, the more sensitive it is to faraway signals, and FAST's potential to discover an alien civilization will be 5 to 10 times that of current equipment, as it can see farther and darker planets. Already, the radio telescope has discovered 44 pulsars since its inception in 2016! Video: 44 pulsars identified by China's FAST telescope youtube.com/watch?v=t9nySMjiUzw Therefore, China is making great contributions to global space exploration, astronomy, supercomputing, quantum computing, artificial intelligence, high speed railway, and many many more. Why is it you seem so "concerned" for us Chinese people? Haven't you seen the numerous Chinese tourists visiting countries all over the world, spending coin and stimulating your local economies? Aren't your schools and universities accepting many international Chinese exchange students to study? Haven't you seen Chinese scientists and researchers collaborating with foreign companies in R&D sectors? Chinese people aren't stupid or ignorant (like you seem to believe) we know China is not perfect and has many flaws, but under our current system China is flourishing, so why do we have to change our system? Because the West thinks so? Have you taken a good look at the West on how Trump got elected, or Britain exiting the European Union?
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  21002.  @violatedmonkey  About the gag orders on doctors, that happened after China already had informed the World Health Organization of a mysterious pneumonia like illness on 31st Dec 2019, so what's your point when countries had already been informed about the virus? And buying up global PPE, China was in urgent need of PPE, and your countries choose to put up your PPE for sale, then why can't Chinese fork out money to buy PPE? Your countries put PPE up for sale, so Chinese people bought them and shipped them back to China because China urgently needed PPE at that time. In fact, before 2019, your PPE was Made-In-China and Chinese people are buying back PPE that was previously produced in China. And about selling inferior products back to the world, China was swamped by huge global demand for PPE, and China's production couldn't keep up with the demand so the quality of PPE suffered as a result. Some smaller companies in China also set up factories to cater to the demand, but they had no previous experience making PPE, and their qualifications had not been approved by the government, but other countries already made the purchase of PPE without informing Chinese government of the transaction. About human-to-human transmission of the coronavirus, there was no confirmation of human-to-human transmission of Covid-19 back in 2019. Human-to-human transmission was confirmed on 21 Jan 2020, and that's when the government began locking down Wuhan shortly after this discovery. Video: China confirms human-to-human transmission of new coronavirus youtu.be/XPbdMRXQhdE (Dated to 21 Jan 2020) About international travel, except for chartered flights, no international passenger flights have departed from Wuhan since its lockdown on January 23, according to the Hubei Airport Group Company.
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  21061.  @emilianopimentel4076  "神州 Shenzhou that's because you keep stealing our ideas and keep spying on us," The U.S stole intellectual property from the U.K. During the 19th century, America was a hotbed of literary piracy and American factories turned out adulterated foods and willfully mislabeled products. Charles Dickens visited the U.S in 1842 and when he first stepped off the boat in Boston, he found the city's bookstores rife with pirated copies of his novels, along with those of his countrymen, and was appalled. American manufacturers, distributors, and vendors of food began tampering with their products en masse -- bulking out supplies with cheap filler, using dangerous additives to mask spoilage or to give foodstuffs a more appealing color. Candy was found to contain arsenic and dyed with copper chloride; conniving brewers mixed extracts of "nux vomica," a tree that yields strychnine, to simulate the bitter taste of hops. Pickles contained copper sulphate, and custard powders yielded traces of lead. Sugar was blended with plaster of Paris, as was flour. Milk had been watered down, then bulked up with chalk and sheep's brains. Food, of course, was only the beginning. In the literary realm, for most of the 19th century the United States remained an outlaw in the world of international copyright. The nation's publishers merrily pirated books without permission, and without paying the authors or original publishers a dime. In one industry after another, 19th-century American producers churned out counterfeit products in remarkable quantities, slapping fake labels on locally made knockoffs of foreign ales, wines, gloves, and thread. ... Source: The Boston Globe: A nation of outlaws
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  21062.  @emilianopimentel4076  The U.S stole intellectual property from the U.K. During the 19th century, America was a hotbed of literary piracy and American factories turned out adulterated foods and willfully mislabeled products. Charles Dickens visited the U.S in 1842 and when he first stepped off the boat in Boston, he found the city's bookstores rife with pirated copies of his novels, along with those of his countrymen, and was appalled. American manufacturers, distributors, and vendors of food began tampering with their products en masse -- bulking out supplies with cheap filler, using dangerous additives to mask spoilage or to give foodstuffs a more appealing color. Candy was found to contain arsenic and dyed with copper chloride; conniving brewers mixed extracts of "nux vomica," a tree that yields strychnine, to simulate the bitter taste of hops. Pickles contained copper sulphate, and custard powders yielded traces of lead. Sugar was blended with plaster of Paris, as was flour. Milk had been watered down, then bulked up with chalk and sheep's brains. Food, of course, was only the beginning. In the literary realm, for most of the 19th century the United States remained an outlaw in the world of international copyright. The nation's publishers merrily pirated books without permission, and without paying the authors or original publishers a dime. In one industry after another, 19th-century American producers churned out counterfeit products in remarkable quantities, slapping fake labels on locally made knockoffs of foreign ales, wines, gloves, and thread. ... Source: The Boston Globe: A nation of outlaws
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  21122. ​ @danpress7745  You said: "No, No, No You either misread my post or I was not clear; " How did I misread your post? This is what you wrote: "And, herein is the difference: I can say negative things about the US government without fear I and many others did protest the Iraq war. You nor any other Chinese person can not do the same." But I as a Chinese person can say negative things about the U.S government, in fact I do it practically all the time. And I've pointed out that in 2003, Chinese students in Peking University protested the Iraq War. And what makes you think Chinese cannot protest? On average, China sees at around 500 protests daily over a wide variety of grievances, including corruption, forced evictions, unpaid wages, human rights abuses, environmental degradation, ethnic protests, petitioning for religious freedom and civil liberties, protests against one-party rule, as well as nationalist protests against foreign countries. In 2006, the Chinese Academy of Social Sciences estimated the number of annual mass incidents to exceed 90,000, and Chinese sociology professor Sun Liping estimated 180,000 incidents in 2010 (or an average of 493 protests daily in 2010). Source: Wikipedia: Protest and dissent in China You said: "We in the democracies combat corruption through protests and voting. No Chinese person can o the same." You keep on making sweeping claims about Chinese person "not being able to do this or that", but see my above source and there are Chinese protesting about corruption in China. For example, the Wukan protests (乌坎事件), also known as the Siege of Wukan, was an anti-corruption protest that began in September 2011, and escalated in December 2011 with the expulsion of officials by villagers. Corruption is a universal phenomena and every country suffers from corruption to a certain degree. But at least under President Xi Jinping, there are ongoing anti-corruption crackdowns to deal with the mountain of corruption in the Communist Party. More than 100,000 people have been indicted for corruption, including over 120 high-ranking officials, including about a dozen high-ranking military officers, several senior executives of state-owned companies, and five national leaders. But when is the last time a country like the United States had an anti-corruption campaign of its own? Hilary Clinton is corrupt politician and Donald Trump had promised to jail her during his presidential campaign. But after he became president, no further action has been taken against Clinton for corruption. So what good does having the ability to protest against corruption do for you?
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  21123.  @danpress7745  1. "Napalm Girl" literally had her village burnt by American napalm on her village, even burning off the clothes off her back, and you seem to suggest that America has somehow "redeemed" itself by being offered immigration to the U.S, when it was the U.S intervention in Vietnam War that caused all of that? 2. The Flying Tigers didn't fought for China during World War 2. When Imperial Japan invaded Manchuria in 1931 (8 years before the start of WW2 with the Nazi invasion of Poland) the Americans were content to let Japan occupy more and more Chinese territory for more than a decade. The Americans only joined China against the Japanese, because Pearl Harbor was bombed in 1941 and after which the Tigers launched their attack against Japan. So the Flying Tigers were doing it in response to the Japanese bombing of Pearl Harbor, not for China's sake. 3. Turns out that the U.S warship when confronted, was already 3 to 4 nautical miles (6 to 7 km) inside the 12 NM (22 km; 14 mi) limit claimed by North Vietnam. Also the U.S warship fired off 3 rounds against the North Vietnamese PT boats. The U.S warship was undamaged except for a single Vietnamese machine gun bullet hole. And it's been proven that the 2nd alleged attack of the Gulf of Tonkin incident did not take place, but it was the excuse the Americans use to send more forces to Vietnam. I've previously mentioned napalm and chemical defoliants like Agent Orange, but the Americans also planted numerous landmines throughout Vietnam and did not clear them when they abandoned the South Vietnamese at Saigon. Even till today, those unexploded mines pose a hazard to the people in Vietnam.
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  21126. ​ @danpress7745  1. Again, the fact that Napalm Girl had her village torched by American napalm already speaks volumes of the atrocities Americans committed in Vietnam (let alone Agent Orange and the planting of landmines). Had America not involved itself in Vietnam, then Phan Thị Kim Phuc would have most likely remained and grown up in her homeland of Vietnam, instead of being a refugee. As for choosing China, China at that time was still a rather poor country, of course she won't choose it. And it was Western democracies that were responsible for Vietnam War, so it's only right that they welcome refugees from the countries their troops were fighting in. 2. Her name was coined for her because the South Vietnamese dropped American napalm on her village. They were the ones who gave her the name. Had there been no napalm bombing, she would be more commonly known by her real name instead of the one chosen for her. 3. She herself admits that the South Vietnamese were bombing the Viet Cong, yet you try to twist her words claiming the North invaded the South? When did North Vietnam invaded South Vietnam you tell me? 4. So what if there are refugees moving to democracy? There are also Ukrainian refugees moving to Russia, so what's your point? There are even Ukrainian cities like Kharkiv, Kherson, etc, that are raising the Soviet-era hammer and sickle flag and are issuing Russian passports and accepting Russian ruble in business transactions. And the Flying Tigers only started fighting in 1941 after Pearl Harbor was bombed, so it was evident that U.S fought Japan in retaliation for Pearl Harbor, not for China's sake. The Flying Tigers began to arrive in China in April 1941. The group first saw combat on 20 December 1941, 12 days after Pearl Harbor (local time). ... Source: Wikipedia: Flying Tigers
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  21139. +NopFor OpposingForce The communist party has long acknowledged the failure of Great Leap Forward and even Mao Zedong himself made a self-criticism and stepped down from being state-chairman. He was only human after all and made mistakes like one. But the corrupted KMT accepted foreign aid from USA, and pocketed $750 million dollars of US military aid, even US President Harry Truman wrote that "the Chiangs, the Kungs and the Soongs (were) all thieves," During the Chinese Civil War, the communists were mostly poorly trained peasants, their weapons were crappy, and their numbers were few. While the KMT was wealthy (having taxed the peasants greatly) had better equipment, better training, superior numbers, and yet the KMT still lost the mainland to communist peasants, and had to flee to Formosa. So doesn't this demonstrate gross incompetence on KMT's part? "How come China's leaders aren't elected for 30 years then?" Because if the leader has shown competence in governing China for 30 years, then why force him to step down on accord of a term limit? What if the next Chinese president is inexperienced, or starts reversing the previous leader's policies? That's why why do you think ordinary Chinese people should vote for our leaders? Ordinary people are fickle, they may not vote responsibly, they may base their decisions on emotions, instead of logic, or they lack the political awareness to make important decisions regarding their country's future. Look at Trump's election for example, and Donald Trump preyed on American's resentment of China and made false promises of making America great again, and the American voters believed him and voted for him, even when Trump has zero political experience. Why then should China allow the ordinary people to vote? You are guiding a country of 300 million (1.4 billion for China) so why let the unqualified ordinary people to make such important decisions regarding your country's future?
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  21140. +NopFor OpposingForce said "The KMT didn't at least let millions of people starve and killed their own people after they left to Taiwan." When the KMT administered the mainland from 1912-1937, there were numerous famines such as 1920-1921 North China famine, the 1928–1930 Chinese famine, the 1936-1937 Chinese famine in Sichuan and Gansu, the 1942–1943 famine in Henan. Millions of Chinese died in the mainland during the KMT administration of China. When the KMT left to Taiwan, Jiang Jieshi imposed Martial Law onto Taiwan for more than 38 years, which was qualified as "the longest imposition of martial law by a regime anywhere in the world" at that time! Jiang Jieshi ruled Taiwan with an iron fist and purged his political opponents, in a period known as "White Terror" of which from about 3,000 to 4,000 were executed for their real or perceived opposition to the Kuomintang. So why you claim the KMT didn't kill their own people? Did you study Chinese history at all? Look at China having long overtaken Taiwan, and the United Nations even kicked Republic of China (Taiwan) out of the UN security council in 1970s, and choose to recognize the People's Republic of China as China. Your UN countries voted in the United Nations General Assembly Resolution 1668 with 61 UN Member States voting in its favor, 34 UN Member States voted against it. As for borrowing political systems, what about Westerners borrowing Chinese systems such as the concept of a merit system? The Chinese people invented the concept of examinations and this spread from China to British India during the 17th century, and then into continental Europe. So its thanks to China that students all over the world take examinations today. About President Xi Jinping, firstly I don't claim to be able to predict the future, but from his current anti-corruption campaigns, I can tell that he is serious about dealing within corruption in the Communist party. As the head of anti-corruption practices, if he himself were to be found to be corrupted then the punishment meted out against him will be severe. But just like I can't know for sure that he will be corrupted in the future, you too, can't know for sure whether he will NOT be corrupted in the future. And that's the problem with your US system. You President Trump will be forced to step down after 4-8 years, and therefore, US presidents can only make short-term plans for America instead of long-term plans spanning 10 years or more. I mean, look at your two political parties, they constantly blame each other for America's woes, and they constantly fight each other, instead of fighting for America's interests. Look, former US president Obama had been planning the Trans Pacific Partnership deal for 8 years, yet when Trump became president, he cancelled the TPP, because he did not like Obama (Obama humiliated him with his birth cert) So how are US presidents ever going to make long term plans for America, with such a faulty system? Whereas China has made long term plans for China in 2020, 2030, 2040, 2050. For example: -by 2020, China plans to eliminate poverty and become innovation hub. -by 2030, China plans to become world leader in Artificial Intelligence. -by 2040, China plans to ban all fossil fuels and non-electric vehicles. -by 2050, China plans to surpass the USA in military and this will cement China as a global power. Xi outlines his vision to achieve ‘China Dream’ by 2050 atimes.com/article/xi-outlines-vision-achieve-china-dream-2050/ By abolishing the presidential term limits in China, our leaders are expected to remain in power long enough to see their plans for China bloom and come to fruition in the future. How else to achieve longterm plans if your leaders are forced to step down because of term limits?
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  21141. +NopFor OpposingForce Where did you get your bloated figure of 45 million people dying because of the Great Leap Forward? According to the following source, China's population was 544,112,923 in 1955, and by 1960 it had grown to 644,450,173, having actually increased by 45,875,932! Source: Population of China 1950 populationpyramid.net/china/1950/ So you're telling me that during the Great Leap Forward, China's population of 544 million in 1955, decreased by 45 million, yet it grew by double that amount to become 644 million in 1960? Thus, isn't your 45 million death toll grossly exaggerated by Western anti-Communist agenda? How did they calculate the figures? You clearly said "The KMT didn't at least let millions of people starve and killed their own people after they left to Taiwan." yet I have shown that KMT ruled Taiwan under iron fist, imposing Martial Law for 38 years, and having executed thousands for their perceived opposition to the KMT in Taiwan. As for CCP fighting the Japanese, the CCP had smaller numbers than the KMT or the Japanese, so they resorted to tactics suitable for a smaller force to fight against a larger opponent, such as guerilla warfare. About Intellectual Property, Chinese people also invented the Four Great Inventions 四大发明 which have greatly influenced the rest of the world. Paper and Printing made the recording and transmission of knowledge much easier. The Compass made navigation easier and less hazardous and journeys become more reliable. And Gunpowder has greatly revolutionized the way modern battles are fought. But do you see Chinese people complaining about you Westerners using our inventions?
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  21157. @truthreal3378 You said: "but India’s claim came from old British maps and treaties, not just names." That's proof of India's Colonial Mentality at work. The British are foreigners to the region and have hardly any knowledge of the existing historical boundaries, yet the Indians treat the British maps as legitimate. Have you been so blinded with the "colonial mentality" that you can't even see how you are justify India's claims using British claims? You said: "Zhou Enlai’s Five Principles sound nice - peaceful coexistence, mutual respect - but China’s actions didn’t always line up." Again, show me proof where the Five Principles of Peaceful Coexistence didn't line up. China built roads on the Chinese territory of Aksai Chin, yet India claims the territory is India, because the British said so? And India built military bases in response to China building roads? You said: "For example, Indonesia is a separate country, and the name "Indo" itself does not imply that it is part of India." So which country other than China, is also named "Chin" then? You said: "Roads aren’t bases, true, but they’re strategic - China used them to move troops, not just mail." So many things have both civilian uses as well as military uses. Telephone cables can be used to transmit mail, or to send encrypted military messages. Fuel tankers can transport fuel for civilian use or for military use as well. How does that make China building roads an act of aggression? And Nehru's response was to build military bases at the disputed border with China? You said: "Nehru’s Forward Policy, with those 43 outposts, was a clumsy counter to that, not the start." Nehru built 60 military bases in total, and 43 of those bases were beyond the McMahon Line and into actual Chinese territory as recognized by India. You said: "Problem is, India didn’t recognize that land beyond the McMahon Line as China’s - it saw the Line as the border," Seriously? India didn't even recognize the land beyond the McMahon Line as China's? Then how exactly do you expect China to negotiate with a neighbor that refuses to recognize territory beyond their line as China's?
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  21159. @truthreal3378 You said: "Calling it 'colonial mentality' misunderstands both India's post-colonial position and the historical reality." You literally said India’s claim came from old British maps and treaties, then how is it not the "colonial mentality" at work? Instead of negotiating a new border treaty with China (one that's acceptable to both sides), India still sticks to the McMahon Line drawn by the British. You said: "India isn’t bIindIy following coIoniaI policies - it’s upholding a boundary agreed upon between British India and Tibet, which existed as an independent party in that agreement." Even the British themselves did not recognize Tibet as an independent country, according to the 1906 and 1914 conventions, they recognized Chinese suzerainty over Tibet and agreed not to interfere in Tibet's political affairs. Furthermore, in the 1907 Convention between Great Britain and Russia -The Governments of Great Britain and Russia recognizing the suzerain rights of China in Thibet, -Article II. In conformity with the admitted principle of the suzerainty of China over Thibet, Great Britain and Russia engage not to enter into negotiations with Thibet except through the intermediary of the Chinese Government. Yet the British bypassed the Chinese intermediary and entered into negotiations with Tibet directly. You said: "In fact, China didn’t even control Tibet until 1950, long after the boundary was drawn, which makes China’s retroactive objection resemble a form of imperial revanchism, not antiColonial." Tibet was a breakaway province of China that was eventually reunified with the mainland in 1950. The McMahon Line was drawn by the British by taking advantage of the chaos and disorder of the fall of Qing in order to sign border deals with a state that Britain didn't even recognize as independent.
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  21178. @siddharthkalantri5076 You said: "Since he chose to merge with India, there was no requirement for a referendum." So the ordinary people of Jammu & Kashmir never had a choice whether they wanted merger with India, only their king gets to decide that. And the king of Jammu and Kashmir was a Hindu, of course he'll want to join India, how is that democratic? You said: "Jammu has a Hindu majority (around 60%)." We're talking about Jammu and Kashmir, who said anything about Jammu alone? Muslims constitute around 68.31% of the total population of Jammu and Kashmir, so the Muslims are the majority. You said: "Ladakh has a Buddhist and Shia Muslim majority (not Sunni)." Shia Muslims are still Muslims You said: "Only the Kashmir Valley has a Muslim majority." Yet India continues to eye Pakistan's territory of Kashmir (even going so far as to calling it POK) even though it has Muslim majority. You said: "So, calling the entire region a Muslim-majority state is misleading." Muslims constitute around 68.31% of the entire region, so it is a fact. You said: "Unlike Tibet, which is under strict Chinese rule, Jammu & Kashmir holds regular elections, where people freely choose their leaders." Who says there are no elections in Tibet? The local people in Tibet hold elections at various levels to elect their leaders. It starts with people's congresses in villages and towns, then next level is municipal districts and counties, and so on. Ngapoi Ngawang Jigme is elected to be the chairman of the Tibet Autonomous Region. You said: " If the people didn't want to be part of India, why would they vote in elections?" What else could they do? The fact remains that there was no referendum among the local people of Jammu & Kashmir on whether to join India. Only their Hindu king was given the decision whether to join Pakistan or India. You said: "If Pakistan stopped interfering, there would be no major issue in Kashmir." It's not as though India didn't interfere in Pakistan's internal affairs. India interfered in East Pakistan and supported Bangladesh independence from Pakistan. You said: "Punjab is peaceful. There is no demand for separation, no army deployment, and people live normally." Same with Tibet. Tibet is peaceful and there is no demand for separation, no army deployment and the people there live normally. You said: "Jammu & Kashmir’s accession was legal, and it functions as part of a democratic India." What democracy when there was no referendum for the people of Jammu & Kashmir to vote on whether they want to join India or Pakistan? Instead of democracy, only the Hindu King gets to make this decision. The people of Jammu & Kashmir never had a real choice.
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  21183. @siddharthkalantri5076 So the British imposed their colonial rules onto British India during it's partition, then why continue to stick to British rules such as McMahon Line? Indians had no choice back when India was a British colony, yet instead of abandoning these colonial rules, India still insist on the McMahon Line with China, then how is this not proof of the colonial mentality? The fact is that India was never a democracy, even as the British ruled India for nearly 90 years, then why do Indians continue to follow the rules laid down by their colonial masters, instead of rising up and beyond those colonial rules? Partitioning British India resulted in the weakening of the once unified country, as well as creating separate sovereign states that have their own way of thinking. This is why China insist on retaining control over our territories in Tibet, Hong Kong and Taiwan. We don't want to end up like India and Pakistan, both brothers that continue to fight between themselves, while the British are laughing from far away. You said India accepted partition to avoid a civil war, but ended up with 4 actual wars with its neighbor. Even during the partitioning process, there was large-scale violence and deaths (estimates of 200,000 to 2 million). So much unnecessary bloodshed, that could have been avoided had British India insist on keep itself intact. If over 500 princely states had the same choice, and their rulers made decisions, not public referendums, then how is this democracy then? Only the authoritarian rulers of princely states get to make such an important decision such as whether to join India or Pakistan, not the ordinary people living in those 500 states, so how can you claim India has will of the people? Yet you still continue to adhere to the laws laid down by Britain, the colonial master? Pakistan refuses to withdraw its army because there is no guarantee that India will follow through and withdraw their own forces. India demands Kasmir as their integral part, not a disputed territory, so there is no guarantee that India will abide by the UNSC resolution if Pakistan withdraws its army first. So, there is a heavy risk for Pakistan to suffer a strategic defeat. Also, you keep bringing up Pakistan's atrocities in Bangladesh, but have you looked and those made by the Indian Army in Kashmir?
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  21184. @siddharthkalantri5076 I've already told you, the Tibetans plenipotentiaries signed the Seventeen Point Agreement for the Peaceful Liberation of Tibet (十七条协议), how was it forcibly occupied? And I've already told you that the 14th Dalai Lama had accepted American money to carry out separatist activities in Tibet. Declassified CIA files revealed that a total of $1,735,000 (equivalent to $17,590,145 in 2024) was devoted to the Tibetan program for FY1964. Also, who says China restricts religious freedom in Tibet? So many foreigners have visited Lhasa (you can find their videos of Lhasa online) and in those videos you can see religious Tibetans praying, spinning prayer-tops, performing full-body kowtows on the ground in open worship. Within Lhasa's monasteries, Tibetan monks chant prayers and debate with each other as per Tibetan Buddhist tradition. Seriously, just search videos on Lhasa to see what I mean. As for IOK (India Occupied Kashmir) the Modi government abolished the autonomous status of Kashmir, and the Indian security forces continue to carry out repressive policies including arbitrary detention, extrajudicial killings, and other serious abuses. According to Human Rights Watch, Kashmiris are unable to exercise their right to free expression, association, and peaceful assembly because they fear they will be arrested, thrown in prison without trial for months, even years. Also, you talk about India's pluralism, yet Modi inaugurated a new Hindu temple built on the site of a historic Mughal-era mosque that was razed in the town of Ayodhya.
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  21186. @siddharthkalantri5076 I've already told you, the Tibetans plenipotentiaries signed the Seventeen Point Agreement for the Peaceful Liberation of Tibet (十七条协议), how was it forcibly occupied? And I've already told you that the 14th Dalai Lama had accepted American money to carry out separatist activities in Tibet. Declassified CIA files revealed that a total of $1,735,000 (equivalent to $17,590,145 in 2024) was devoted to the Tibetan program for FY1964. Also, who says China restricts religious freedom in Tibet? So many foreigners have visited Lhasa (you can find their videos of Lhasa online) and in those videos you can see religious Tibetans praying, spinning prayer-tops, performing full-body kowtows on the ground in open worship. Within Lhasa's monasteries, Tibetan monks chant prayers and debate with each other as per Tibetan Buddhist tradition. As for IOK (India Occupied Kashmir) the Modi government abolished the autonomous status of Kashmir, and the Indian security forces continue to carry out repressive policies including arbitrary detention, extrajudicial killings, and other serious abuses. According to Human Rights Watch, Kashmiris are unable to exercise their right to free expression, association, and peaceful assembly because they fear they will be arrested, thrown in prison without trial for months, even years. Also, you talk about India's pluralism, yet Modi inaugurated a new Hindu temple built on the site of a historic Mughal-era mosque that was razed in the town of Ayodhya.
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  21231. Here's a compilation of what the journalists have been saying about China's economy 1990. The Economist: China's economy has come to a halt. 1996. The Economist: China's economy will face hard landing. 1998. The Economist: China's economy entering a dangerous period of sluggish growth. 1999. Bank of Canada: Likelihood of a hard landing for the Chinese economy. 2000. Chicago Tribune: China currency move nails hard landing risk coffin. 2001. Wilbanks, Smith & Thomas: A hard landing in China. 2002. Westchester University: China Anxiously Seeks A Soft Economic landing. 2003. KWR International: How to find a soft landing if China. 2004. The Economist: The great fall of China? 2005. Nouriel Roubini: The Risk of a Hard Landing in China. 2006. International Economy: Can China Achieve a Soft Landing? 2007. TIME: Is China's Economy Overheating? Can China avoid a hard landing? 2008. Forbes: Hard Landing in China? 2009. Fortune: China's hard landing. China must find a way to recover. 2010. Nouriel Roubini: Hard landing coming in China. 2011. Business Insider: A Chinese Hard Landing May Be Closer Than You Think. 2012. American Interest: Dismal Economic News from China: A Hard Landing. 2013. Zero Hedge: A Hard Landing in China. 2014. CNBC: A hard landing in China. 2015. Forbes: Congratulations, You got Yourself A Chinese Hard Landing.... 2016. The Economist: Hard Landing looms for China. 2017. National Interest: Is China's Economy Going To Crash? 2018. The Daily Reckoning: China's Coming Financial Meltdown. 2019. Zero Hedge: Seven Reasons Why China Is Facing A Hard Landing In 2019 2020. Forbes: Remember The China 'Hard Landing'? We Got One. 2021. Bloomberg: Chinese economy risks deeper slowdown than markets realize. 2022. Bloomberg: China Surprise Data Could Spell R-e-c-e-s-s-i-o-n. 2023. Bloomberg: No word should be off-limits to describe China's faltering economy.
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  21261.  @SwedeenXBL  You said: "Are you acting like you have a reading disability or do you actually have one?" You can't answer the question so you resort to hurling personal insults against me? You've made it clear that you "wouldn't count Hrabove as Ukrainian territory" then why can't you admit that you would consider Crimea as Russian territory? You said: "Yes, you're correct NATO was also formed in response to Soviet military might." But today the Soviet Union is gone, after its dissolution in 1991, yet why is NATO allowed to remain? And to continue expanding into 15 countries, right up to Russia's border You said: "NATO now serves as a nuclear alliance, which Russia has now proven it's existance and why previous Soviet countries have joined NATO." How has Russia proven its existence? The only country to have launched a nuclear strike against another country is the United States of America back when they bombed Japanese cities Hiroshima and Nagasaki. You said: "It's defensive for reasons I've already mentioned, once again do you actually have a reading disability?" What reasons have you given? I've stated that NATO is not a defensive organization, given its involvement in the bombing of Yugoslavia, and its involvement in Afghanistan War and Libyan War. You said: "I'm not gonna defend NATOs bombing of Yugoslavia just as little as i'm gonna defend USA in general, it's a disgrace on NATO." In other words, you're proving my point that NATO is certainly not a defensive organization, yet why are you claiming its something that its not? You said: "The difference here is NATO isn't invading neighbouring countries to force them into NATO, which Russia is." Russia isn't trying to invade any country to force them into NATO, what are you talking about? Russia has stated many times that it wants Ukraine not to join NATO, so isn't this the opposite of what you are claiming?
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  21353.  @rogerdodger8415  The Tibetans themselves signed the Seventeen Point Agreement for the Peaceful Liberation of Tibet (中央人民政府和西藏地方政府关于和平解放西藏办法的协议) in 1951, thus affirming Chinese sovereignty over Tibet. Source: Seventeen Point Agreement wikipedia.org/wiki/Seventeen_Point_Agreement So there's this legally binding agreement signed by the Tibetans themselves acknowledging Chinese sovereignty over Tibet. China doesn't claim the SEA itself only the Islands in South China Sea. Even Taiwan claims all of mainland China (including Tibet, Xinjiang, Inner Mongolia, Manchuria, etc) as part of their territory, including territory currently under the control of Mongolia, Burma (Myanmar), Bhutan, India, Japan, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Russia and Tajikistan. Here's a map of all the territory Taiwan claims (source:wikipedia.org/wiki/File:ROC_Administrative_and_Claims.svg ) Taiwan also claims the South China Sea Islands as part of their territory, they published an 11-Dash Line in 1947 (which the 9-Dash Line is based) The British took Hong Kong from China and did not fully returned it back. During the 19th century, the British wanted to continue drinking Chinese tea, but China did not want anything the West had to offer, so Britain waged two bloody wars with China and forced Chinese to buy opium from them at gunpoint, which we didn't want because it made us sick and was poisoning our people. During this weak period of Chinese history, Hong Kong was taken from China and made into British colony, to act as a drug distribution hub to spread the addiction throughout rest of China. Even when Britain renounced ownership over its former territories, Hong Kong was not fully returned back to China, and China had to agree to Sino-British declaration just for Britain to handover what belongs to us.
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  21356.  @rogerdodger8415  So in democratic countries, the average man tells the government what they want and what they demand, but in the end, nothing actually changes. Look at former President Trump and he didn't build a wall at the US border with Mexico like he promised. In USA, you can change the leaders, but you can't change the policies. Whereas in China, you can't change the leaders, but the policies are constantly changing, so what do you mean when you claim there is no change in China? You said: "Forcing people to accept your broken and repressive system." Granted China's political system isn't perfect, but it has done an excellent job transforming China from a dirt-poor, war-torn, starving country in the past, into the world's 2nd largest economy today, the world's factory (Made-in-China) having world's 2nd highest R&D spending, protected by the world's largest land army, the People's Liberation Army, funded by world's 2nd largest military spending. And it's all been achieved under communist party leadership, despite Western propaganda constantly denouncing China's success all along. So why should China abandon a political system that works for us and adopt Western brand of democracy? Not all countries have to adopt Western democracy to be successful and China is living proof of this. The "tribunal" is not even a UN-agency, unlike the International Court of Justice, so China reserves the right not to adhere to it's ruling. Even according to U.N. Convention on the Law of the Sea (UNCLOS), China made a declaration in 2006 in accordance with Article 298 of Section 3 of Part XV of the Convention to not accept compulsory third party arbitration with regards to issues pertaining to sovereignty. Many countries including the United Kingdom, Australia, Italy, France, Canada, and Spain had made similar declarations to reject any of the procedures provided for in sections 2 of Part XV of the convention with respect to the different categories of disputes.
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  21374.  @rogerdodger8415  You said: "Why does All your links come ONLY from communist country?" Didn't I post a Reuters article earlier? Anyway, here's Foreign Policy on Why China Says No to the Arbitration on the South China Sea Source:foreignpolicy.com/2016/07/10/why-china-says-no-to-the-arbitration-on-the-south-china-sea/ There is solid international legal basis for China to oppose this case. And by doing so, China is not only safeguarding its national interests, but also protecting the integrity and legitimacy of the international maritime order. Because China, as a sovereign state, is entitled to choose its preferred means of dispute resolution — a legitimate right under international law. Moreover, the Philippines’ case is inherently flawed and illegitimated by such irregularities as the country’s abuse of the dispute settlement procedures, its distortion of concepts, and its deliberate disguise of the real nature of the disputes. The Philippines’ arbitration relates to the dispute over the sovereignty of islands and reefs in the South China Sea, and to maritime delimitation. But these territorial issues are not regulated by — and therefore beyond the scope of — the U.N. Convention on the Law of the Sea (UNCLOS). And in 2006, China declared it would exclude “disputes concerning maritime delimitation” from compulsory arbitration, under Article 298 of UNCLOS. Second, the Philippines’ unilateral initiation of compulsory arbitration did not meet UNCLOS preconditions for such initiation. The “no arbitration without the existence of a dispute” principle requires that before resorting to compulsory arbitration, there must have existed a real dispute between the parties. UNCLOS also stipulates that the Philippines must exchange views related to the arbitration over the dispute with China. But the Philippines has never consulted with China on the subject matters of the arbitration.... In fact, it was China that tried in vain to engage in meaningful dialogue with the Philippines.
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  21377.  @rogerdodger8415  Where does the Treaty of Manila of 1946 show that Spratly Islands belongs to the Philippines? I already shown that the Americans reminded the Philippines at its independence in 1946 that the Spratlys was not Philippine territory, because the Spratlys were not part of the Philippines per the 1898 treaty Spain signed with America. The Philippines gained independence in 1946, but when nationalists within the Philippine government wanted to claim the Spratlys, their American advisors discouraged them. The Spanish-American treaty of 1898 made it clear that the western limit of the Philippine islands did not include the Spratlys, Source: Page 11 War Or Peace in the South China Sea? by Timo Kivimäki, https://books.google.com/books?id=CNVf9R_L5FAC&pg=PA11&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q&f=false …… You said: "What treaty allows you to invade Tibet?" The Tibetans themselves signed the _Seventeen Point Agreement for the Peaceful Liberation of Tibet_(中央人民政府和西藏地方政府关于和平解放西藏办法的协议) in 1951, thus affirming Chinese sovereignty over Tibet. Source: Seventeen Point Agreement wikipedia.org/wiki/Seventeen_Point_Agreement So there's this legally binding agreement signed by the Tibetans themselves acknowledging Chinese sovereignty over Tibet. Didn't I mention this earlier? …… You said: "What treaty allows you to threaten Taiwan?" Go and read Taiwan's own constitution and they claim all of mainland China (including Tibet, Xinjiang, Inner Mongolia, Manchuria, etc) as part of their territory, including territory currently under the control of Mongolia, Burma (Myanmar), Bhutan, India, Japan, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Russia and Tajikistan. Here's a map of all the territory Taiwan claims for itself (Source:wikipedia.org/wiki/File:ROC_Administrative_and_Claims.svg ) …… You said: "Hey do me a favor.. You said the Dali lahma was a CIA SPY??" Where did I ever said that the 14th Dalai Lama was a CIA SPY? Could you please quote me my words saying that Dalai Lama is spying for the CIA?
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  21392.  @rogerdodger8415  There is the Great Firewall of China yes, but once you bypassed it, you can access YouTube freely, so how did the Communists make a YouTube video Private? Google left China because they lost out to their Chinese competitor Baidu. According to Forbes, Google's market share climbed from 15% (mid-2006) to 31% (2010), but Baidu's market share soared from 47% (mid-2006) to 64% (2010) which is a significant lead. Source: Forbes:Why Google Is Quitting China_ forbes.com/2010/01/15/baidu-china-search-intelligent-technology-google.html? Baidu also introduced community-oriented services that appealed to Chinese Internet users, including bulletin boards where leads on information could be exchanged--a service that Google dismissed as having nothing to do with search. Baidu also offered instant messaging, a hit with China's Netizens. Plus, Baidu was first to the market with mobile search and information offered up in multimedia, including video clips. Baidu also set up a national network of advertising resellers in 200 Chinese cities to educate businesses about the power of online advertising--a step that Google did not take. Baidu's search feature for music also proved highly popular. One other key factor put Baidu in the lead: Its search technology was considered superior to Google's in the Mandarin language. It was because of Baidu's innovation that's why Google eventually packed up and left China, after failing to capture a significant portion of China's market share.
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  21396.  @rogerdodger8415  A) Who invented Paper if not China? B) Who invented Compass if not China? C) Who invented Gunpowder if not China? D) Where did Americans learn how to make paper and printing, which are clearly Chinese inventions E) Americans make use of Chinese inventions like gunpowder, paper, compass, but do Chinese people complain about Westerners making use of Chinese inventions? F) The 14th Dalai Lama sold out to the Americans and accepted CIA funding in training Tibetan guerrillas in separatist activities against Beijing. G) China has landed our lunar rover ON THE FAR SIDE OF THE MOON, a feat in which no other country has matched. H) China has the largest automobile industry in the world and Chinese automobile brands like SAIC Motor, Dongfeng, FAW and Chang'an are popular. I) Chinese Aircraft Carrier Liaoning was purchased from Ukraine and been upgraded and retrofitted for blue water service. J) China's J-20 Stealth Fighter is one of 5 operationally ready stealth fighters available today. K) America has a quarter the population size of China. L) China has allowed a PROPER WHO Team investigation into Wuhan, and their report on the Covid19 origins was inconclusive, and they dismissed the lab leak theory as "highly improbable". M) What's the name of that Chinese Virologist that worked at Wuhan, who testified that the virus came from the lab? N) Where is Ladack? O) How many fish are there in the South China Sea, for you to claim China stole all of them? P) Yes, "Ghost cities" are like USA under lockdown Q) Influenza is an endemic disease, how is Chinese bird handler responsible for that? R) Westerners been building coal plants since 200-300 years ago back when the Industrial Revolution started in 1700-1800, whereas China only industrialized some 40 years ago. S) Who do you think creates the law, the People or the Government? If you answered the People, then which law did the People create and why do People still need the Government? T) China's greatest advancements come from the blood, toil, tears and sacrifice of the Chinese people and our government, to transform China from a dirt-poor, war-torn, starving country in the past, into an economic juggernaut today, and the factory of the world. U) China no longer a currency manipulator, U.S. Treasury says marketwatch.com/story/china-no-longer-a-currency-manipulator-us-treasury-says-2020-01-13 V) Foreign News sources are still accessible in China through VPN, and nobody will come arrest you just for login into YouTube while in China. W) China is currently at peace and not at war with any country. Our People's Liberation Army hasn't fought an actual war since our last major conflict in 1979. The USA however, fought in Gulf War, Iraq War, Afghan War, Syrian War, Yemen War, Pakistan War, and numerous other wars in the Middle East. X) Hey, even the BBC is funded principally by an annual television licence fee which is set by the British Government, agreed by Parliament. So the British government controls the purse strings to BBC. Y) China Pledges To Uphold Phase One Trade Deal That Includes $200 Billion Purchase Of U.S. Goods forbes.com/sites/sergeiklebnikov/2020/05/22/china-pledges-to-uphold-phase-one-trade-deal-that-includes-200-billion-purchase-of-us-goods/ Z) China has 4x the population of America, so it's much easier to form a Chinatown in America than it is for an America town in China. Because USA just doesn't have the necessary numbers.
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  21400.  @rogerdodger8415  "神州 Shenzhou Are you paying attention? The Ancient Greek did more for mankind and technology than the Chinese did in their entire history! Where would you be without the wheel? The telescope?" The Greeks did not invent the wheel. On the other hand, the cogwheel was invented in China. Early examples of gears date from the 4th century BC in China (Zhan Guo times – Late East Zhou dynasty), which have been preserved at the Luoyang Museum of Henan Province. As for telescopes, Chinese astronomers have been observing the heavens and recording supernovae such as the one that created the Crab Nebula (now known as SN 1054) that was observed in China and not in other countries. The Ancient Chinese people have identified stars from 1300BCE, as Chinese star names later categorized in the twenty-eight mansions have been found on oracle bones unearthed at Anyang, dating back to the mid-Shang Dynasty. You said: "The artificial heart?" The first artificial heart was made by the Soviet scientist Vladimir Demikhov in 1937, so isn't that a Communist invention? You said: "Satellites," The Soviet Union invented and launched the world's first artificial satellite, Sputnik-1 on October 4, 1957. Video: The Sputnik 1 Launch: The First Artificial Satellite To Enter Earth's Orbit | Mach | NBC News youtu.be/g2WaJdflqT0 On October 4, 1957, the Soviet Union sent the beach ball-sized satellite, Sputnik 1 into space. The launch grabbed the world’s attention because it was at the height of the Cold War. So isn't the Satellite a communist invention under the Soviet Union?
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  21415.  @rogerdodger8415  For what reason would China even attack Japan? Mainland China claims Taiwan, but not Japan, so how would Japan be next after Taiwan? And the fact remains that if Japan ever attacked the another country outside of self-defence, then they would be violating their own constitution. The Americans can remove a President that they don't like yes, but oftentimes the next US President will be just as incompetent (if not worst). The two political parties (i.e. The Republicans and the Democrats) rather fight among themselves than fight for America's future. Each side takes the credit for America's success, while pushing the blame for America's failures on the other side, and they certainly do not learn from previous mistakes. Whereas in China, there is only one party, so the communist party gets the credit for successes, as well as the blame for failures, and that's why the party learns from previous mistakes not to repeat them. Eric Li once said that "You can't change the government in China, but the policies do change. Whereas in USA, you can change your government, but the overall policies remain unchanged." And there's still the fact that because of presidential term limits, the US President have to step down after 4-8 years and they can't make long term plans spanning 10 years or more, whereas China can hatch many 5-year plans, 10-year plans, 20-year plans, 30-year plans, etc to map out China's future and direction in the years 2025, 2030, 2040, 2050. By abolishing the presidential term limits, our leaders can remain in power long term to see their plans for China bloom and come to fruition in the future.
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  21433.  @rogerdodger8415  "神州 Shenzhou Shenzhou.. I have just discovered that even BEFORE the Communists took power and killed MANY MILLIONS of Chinese under Mao, that there already was many Chinese atrocities." China has 5,000 years of history and is among the world's oldest "continuous" civilization still alive today, whereas other ancient civilizations like Mesopotamia, Rome and Egypt have since succumbed to history. With such a long continuous history, it's no wonder many atrocities occur throughout China's millennia long lifetime. Whereas the US Has Been at war for more than 92% of the time. Research conducted by the “Jang Group and Geo Television Network” reveals that the United States has been at war for about 225 of the 243 years since its inception in 1776. While the number of US foreign military interventions had stood at 188 till 2017, the world super power was found involved in 117 “partisan electoral interventions” between 1946 and 2000 or around one of every nine ballot exercises held since Second World War. This means that the United States has been at war for more than 92 per cent of the time since its birth, making critics view that the rulers of the land found by Christopher Columbus have been addicted to the use of military might and intoxicated with their successes against weaker nations that could not defend themselves for one reason or the other. Or in other words, the United States has only been at peace for less than 20 years. Source: The US Has Been at war 225 out of 243 years since 1776 https://www.thenews.com.pk/print/595752-the-us-has-been-at-war-225-out-of-243-years-since-1776
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  21447.  @rogerdodger8415  You said: "If the problem with Capitalism (, as you say, is the unequal sharing of blessings, then the problem with Communism is the equal sharing of miseries!" Exactly, the problem with Communism is the equal sharing of miseries. If your country is communist and your country's economy is poor, then it's only sharing the misery among the people, that's why Deng Xiaoping proposed "Socialism with Chinese Characteristics" (中国特色社会主义). The theory stipulated that China was in the primary stage of socialism due to its relatively low level of material wealth and needed to engage in economic growth before pursuing a more egalitarian form of socialism, with the end goal being communism (as described in Marxist orthodoxy.) You said: "Those show houses to impress the world media, doesn't hide the fact that there's no running water. no electricity, and no food supply for the vast majority of North Korea." North Korea is poor, because the United States slapped crippling sanctions against the DPRK and stifle it's economic growth. Given the opportunity, Chinese companies would be glad to expand their business operations in North Korea, providing food, building pipelines for running water, plumbing, gas and electricity, electric lines, roads, railways, highways, buildings, etc. But Chinese companies are hindered from doing so, because the US sanctions in place, halting China from developing North Korea. Why not get the USA to lift their sanctions on North Korea, so that Chinese companies can expand and develop North Korea further? But USA won't do that, because their agenda is to show the bad side of communists. Even American Investor, Jim Rogers exclaimed that: "I'm a Citizen of the Land of the Free, but I cannon invest in your country (DPRK)" youtu.be/D4Kk6miiymk?t=111
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  21460.  @rogerdodger8415  "神州 Shenzhou No, I said PRIVATE OWNERSHIP of those goods and services." Look, after the communists came to power in China, Chairman Mao actually seized the lands from the rich corrupt landlords (who've been taxing peasants their entire life) and he redistributed those lands to the dirt-poor peasantry. For the first time in centuries, peasants in China finally get to own property and have land to call their own. Given that at that time, most of China consisted of mostly of peasants and that landlords were in the minority, overall, there was actually an increase in private ownership of land in China after the communists came to power in China. You said: "Now, I've shown you the substandard apartments that you phrase as "homes"." Substandard apartments? I mean, go ask those homeless Americans whether they want a free "substandard apartment" paid for by the government, as compared to them sleeping on the streets. I mean, you're so fortunate yourself to have a roof over your head, yet your'e complained about how the less fortunate getting free housing that doesn't fit your insanely high standard of living? Who do you think you are? As for "substandard" we all know the reason why North Korean government is poor, it's because of US slapping crippling sanctions on North Korea and stymied their economy, that's why those apartments are "substandard". And I have stated many times that Chinese companies would gladly expand their business in North Korea, building pipelines, gas pipes, plumbing, running water and electricity, but the US sanctions are the obstacle hindering North Korea's success. I mean, go ahead and ask those homeless Americans whether they'll want to live in a North Korean house built and fully paid for by the government.
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  21461.  @rogerdodger8415  You said: "Unfinished ghost cities that have wasted untold government resources" Did you watch your own Ghost City video, your video actually claimed that Chinese are buying 2nd property and even 3rd property as investments. It said China is in the process of migrating millions of people from the rural countryside into the urban centers and those ghost cities are filling up with people and will inevitably spring to life. Go watch your own video. You said: "The people of the Capitalist countries have the wealth AND the freedom to move to ANY socialist or Communist system. Very few do. In fact, we have tens of thousands coming here" Because Capitalist countries favor rich people, that's why rich people would want to remain in capitalist countries, whereas Socialist/Communist system is about taxing the rich to provide for the poor, so of course which wealthy person would want to move to a socialist/communist system and get taxed by the government? Americans often lament that the rich 1% control 99% of the population, then why would this 1% even want to move to countries that tax the rich? The Capitalist system favors the wealthy after all. You said: "WHY? Because of landlords evicting non paying tenants? No, because a luxury two bedroom apartment can be had for a fourth of average income, and a 18-2000 square foot home purchased for even less." Then why does America have homeless people as landlords evict tenants for being unable to pay the rent? Why do fresh graduates, who haven't even found proper work and stabilized their income, already have to worry about paying off their student loan? Why don't every homeless person in America have a "luxury two bedroom" apartment like you said? You said: "How many Chinese in Canada and USA? Now, how many of USA and Canada living in China in the workers paradise?" China is the country with the world's largest population at 1.4 billion people, and 4x the population of the USA, so of course there will be more immigrants migrating out of China to USA and Canada, than there would be Americans and Canadians migrating to China. You said: "You work all your life you are still a peasant. In the USA you work all your life and you become rich. You work smart AND hard AND take a risk, you become a millionaire! " That's the seductive promise of the American Dream, that somehow every new immigrant can somehow strike it rich in America and climb the corporate ladder and become rich. But we all know by now, that that's merely a pipedream! You can work HARD all you want, but doesn't mean you will get anywhere. You can work SMART all you want, but your boss takes all the credit. You can take enormous RISK, and get burned so badly, losing your money in the stock market. That's why they are called "RISKS" for crying out loud, because you could lose everything. You said: "FREE to start any business. FREE to choose to live WHERE and HOW you wish. CHOICE that leads to competition and ultimately to SUPERIOR goods and services." Every day in China there are so many business start-ups, even foreign entrepreneurs come to China and start their own business here. China has the world's largest number of "unicorns," privately-held start-up firms valued at more than $1bn (£771m), according to a new report. The country has produced 206 unicorns while the US has 203, the China-based Hurun Institute reported. And what competition when in USA, there are monopolies like Amazon, Google, Facebook, Apple, dominating their respective industries, eliminating competition from smaller American firms, and stifling competition through competition? China has anti-monopoly laws to clamp down on anti-competitive practices, even Alibaba, Tencent and Didi are facing investigations into anti-competitive practices.
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  21466.  @rogerdodger8415  You literally quoted a report that some $215 million in American aid found their way into the Khmer Rouge, so you are confirming what I said. USA clearly supports the Pol Pot, even the Washington Post wrote that United States will support the seating of Pol Pot's "democratic Kampuchea" regime in the United Nations again this year despite its abhorrent record on human rights, Secretary of State Edmund S. Muskie announced in 1980. Speaking to a news conference, Muskie said the U.S. decision -- the subject of speculation and controversy at home and abroad -- was made at the behest of Southeast Asian allies and after "careful diplomatic soundings" that Vietnam is unwilling to negotiate the withdrawal of its forces from Kampuchea. The U.S. government's secret partnership with the Khmer Rouge grew out of the U.S. defeat in the Vietnam War. After the fall of Saigon in 1975, the U.S.-worried by the shift in the Southeast Asian balance of power-turned once again to geopolitical confrontation. It quickly formalized an anti-Vietnamese, anti-Soviet strategic alliance with China-an alliance whose disastrous effects have been most evident in Cambodia. For the U.S., playing the "China card" has meant sustaining the Khmer Rouge as a geopolitical counterweight capable of destabilizing the Hun Sen government in Cambodia and its Vietnamese allies. When Vietnam intervened in Cambodia and drove the Pol Potists from power in January 1972, Washington took immediate steps to preserve the Khmer Rouge as a guerrilla movement. International relief agencies were pressured by the U.S. to provide humanitarian assistance to the Khmer Rouge guerrillas who fled into Thailand. For more than a decade, the Khmer Rouge have used the refugee camps they occupy as military bases to wage a contra-war in Cambodia. During his reign as National Security Adviser, Zbigniew Brzezinski played an important role in determining how the U.S. would support the Pol Pot guerrillas. Elizabeth Becker, an expert on Cambodia, recently wrote, "Brzezinski himself claims that he concocted the idea of persuading Thailand to cooperate fully with China in efforts to rebuild the Khmer Rouge.... Brzezinski said, " I encouraged the Chinese to support Pol Pot. I encouraged the Thai to help the DK [Democratic Kampuchea]. The question was how to help the Cambodian people. Pol Pot was an abomination. We could not support him but China could."
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  21477. +LEFT4BASS Then what's the whole point of bringing up China having a lot of land then? What's the point of mentioning China's population density and making comparisons to S. Korea population density? About China sticking out because of rapidly shrinking our population at once, it is due to this rapid shrinkage, that the government was able to lift about 600 million people out of poverty in just 30 years. Just for comparison, the population of the entire African continent (Nigeria, Kenya, Ethiopia, etc) is about 1.2 billion people. So the CCP in fact, lifted a number equal to 1/2 of Africa's entire population out of poverty, in decades, compared to what Westerners been doing in Africa for centuries. Also, if the Chinese government was able to sharply cut our birth rate, then there's no reason to believe that the reverse can happen too, and that the government can implement policies to sharply increase the birth rate (if needed). About the decreasing number of workers in China, China's next phase is to embrace automation to replace our factory workers. China is already the world's largest market for robots and we opened Asia's first automated port in Qingdao. The robots are very efficient because they can work 24 hours, throughout the night and much more efficiently as well. China's automated warehouse are even capable of sorting 200,000 packages a day. Asia’s first automated container terminal, at Port of Qingdao, China video: youtube.com/watch?v=bn2GPNJmR7A Robots sorting system helps Chinese company finish at least 200,000 packages a day in the warehouse video: youtube.com/watch?v=_QndP_PCRSw If China can make robotic workers like this, then perhaps one day humans might be able to make robotic caregivers to help ease the burden of taking care of the elderly. About calling Forbes biased, I based my assumption on various Western articles since the 1990s, that consistently claim that China is going to have a hard landing. Am I wrong for calling those articles biased, given that I provided evidence to support my stance? China's economy is still intact, running and growing, so am I wrong fall calling those previous articles 'biased'? If so, then why haven't their predictions about Chinese come true yet? About China planning into the future, the CCP has made numerous 5-year plans, 10-year plans, 20-year plans, 30-year plans, etc, to map out China's future in 2020, 2030, 2040, 2050, etc, and to set specific goals to achieve by then. Have you heard of China's Belt and Road Initiative for example? It is a long-term project meant to connect the world by trade, and would probably take several decades to realize.
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  21510.  @martinlaoshi  You said: "as Taiwan has a democratic government and self-determination is a core principle of international law." Taiwan had been under authoritarian single-party KMT rule for more than half its life. For decades the KMT ruled Taiwan with iron fist and Chiang kai-shek was a dictator who jailed and executed dissidents and political rivals (whether real or perceived) in a period known as White Terror (白色恐怖) and imposed martial law on Taiwan for more than 38 years, which was qualified as "the longest imposition of martial law by a regime anywhere in the world" at that time. But under authoritarian single-party KMT rule, Taiwan actually flourished and prospered, in what's known as the Taiwan Miracle (台湾奇迹). Between 1952 – 1982, Taiwan's economic growth was on average 8.7%, and between 1983 – 1986 at 6.9%. Taiwan GDP grew by 360% between 1965 – 1986. The percentage of global exports was over 2% in 1986, over other recently industrialized countries, and the global industrial production output grew a further 680% between 1965 – 1986. And its all been achieved under KMT leadership. Only in the late 1990s, when democracy was introduced (because USA threatened to cut off weapons sales to Taiwan) did Taiwan's economic growth became more modest. Since then, Taiwan's economy has stagnated, wages are stagnant, cost of living is rising, unemployment is rising and Taiwan graduates are increasingly seeking jobs abroad, such as in Singapore or mainland China.
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  21515.  @chaospilot2142  China's going to collapse? That's what Western economists been saying all along! 1990. The Economist: China's economy has come to a halt. 1996. The Economist: China's economy will face hard landing. 1998. The Economist: China's economy entering a dangerous period of sluggish growth. 1999. Bank of Canada: Likelihood of a hard landing for the Chinese economy. 2000. Chicago Tribune: China currency move nails hard landing risk coffin. 2001. Wilbanks, Smith & Thomas: A hard landing in China. 2002. Westchester University: China Anxiously Seeks A Soft Economic landing. 2003. KWR International: How to find a soft landing if China.. 2004. The Economist: The great fall of China? 2005. Nouriel Roubini: The Risk of a Hard Landing in China. 2006. International Economy: Can China Achieve a Soft Landing? 2007. TIME: Is China's Economy Overheating? Can China avoid a hard landing? 2008. Forbes: Hard Landing in China? 2009. Fortune: China's hard landing. China must find a way to recover. 2010. Nouriel Roubini: Hard landing coming in China. 2011. Business Insider: A Chinese Hard Landing May Be Closer Than You Think. 2012. American Interest: Dismal Economic News from China: A Hard Landing. 2013. Zero Hedge: A Hard Landing in China. 2014. CNBC: A hard landing in China. 2015. Forbes: Congratulations, You got Yourself A Chinese Hard Landing.... 2016. The Economist: Hard Landing looms for China. 2017. National Interest: Is China's Economy Going To Crash? 2018. The Daily Reckoning: China's Coming Financial Meltdown. But its already 2019, and China's economy is still going strong, so doesn't this mean Western economists' predictions about China's collapse have been proven consistently wrong for almost 30 years already?
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  21524.  @chaospilot2142  Which of my post have been lies and misinformation? I cite sources to support my points where possible and instead of attacking my points, you resort to calling me a liar? Taiwan's rise was because it was under authoritarian single-party Kuomintang rule, for more than half its entire life! For decades, the KMT ruled Taiwan with iron fist, and KMT leader Chiang kai-shek was a dictator who jailed and executed dissidents and political rivals (whether real or perceived) in a period known as White Terror (白色恐怖) and he imposed martial law on Taiwan for more than 38 years, which was qualified as "the longest imposition of martial law by a regime anywhere in the world" at that time. But under authoritarian KMT rule, Taiwan rapidly flourished and modernized in what's known as "Taiwan Miracle" Between 1952 and 1982, Taiwan's economic growth was on average 8.7%, and between 1983 and 1986 at 6.9%. Taiwan GDP grew by 360% between 1965 and 1986 and the percentage of global exports was over 2% in 1986, over other recently industrialized countries, and the global industrial production output grew a further 680% between 1965 and 1986. And it was all achieved under authoritarian single-party KMT leadership. But with economic reforms came increasing pressure for political reforms and USA threaten to cut off weapons sales to Taiwan if KMT did not introduce democracy, so in the end, Taiwan became an democracy and its economic growth is in a slump today, wages are stagnant, cost of living is rising and many Taiwan graduates are seeking employment opportunities overseas, such as in the mainland or in Singapore. So why should China adopt democracy then? Because Westerners say so? China is flourishing under authoritarian CCP rule so why is there a need to introduce democracy then?
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  21529.  @phlei95014  There are also many countries/regions under authoritarian rule that have become prosperous. Singapore for example, has been under authoritarian single-party rule for 57 years. The People's Action Party ruled Singapore with an iron fist, and Lee Kuan Yew (Singapore's founder) was a dictator who tolerated no dissent and jailed/exiled dissidents and political rivals. Yet the PAP transformed Singapore from a sleepy fishing village nation into a world-class country today, ahead of its neighboring countries in ASEAN. North Korea, Iran (also Cuba, Venezuela) are subject to U.S sanctions, while the simultaneously the U.S poured aid into South Korea and Japan (like you said earlier) so how can you blame dictatorship for these countries being poor? Look at Saudi Arabia for example, it's under authoritarian rule of the Saudi Monarchy, and yet U.S is buddies with Saudi Arabia and that's why their economy is the 18th largest in the world. Or look at the Socialist Republic of Vietnam, they are under the communist party rule, and after the U.S lifted embargo on Vietnam, they began to prosper even though Vietnam is not a Western-style democracy. You said: "Taiwan went no where under the old Chiang , the bad emperor syndrome." No, I've already debunked this with Taiwan's economy flourishing under the authoritarian single-party leadership of the KMT. I've even elaborated how South Korea's economy flourished under Park Chung-hee dictatorship as well as Imperial Japan during the Meiji Restoration period, yet you cannot refute my points, instead you claim it's Western-style democracy that's to be credited?
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  21530.  @phlei95014  While Deng's policies have certainly contributed to China's economic growth, it's an unequal form of growth. Capitalism has seeped into China through Deng's policies and it created a wide income gap between the rich and the poor in China. President Xi Jinping has vowed to attain a more equal form of growth through Common Prosperity, otherwise the income inequality in China will only continue to worsen with Deng's policies. About those "rich Chinese escaping", some of them made money through filthy means, and President Xi's anti-corruption campaign is targeting those corrupt Chinese who escape and buy up real estate in other countries in order to launder their money. The money belongs to the people of China, not to the West, and it's the communist party's responsibility to get those wealth back to China and redistribute it more equally. China was one of the wealthiest country in the world four hundred years ago, but China's wealth has been plundered through Western Imperialism. During the 19th century, the British wanted to continue drinking Chinese tea, but China did not want anything the West had to offer, so the British waged two wars and forced China to buy opium from them at gunpoint, which China didn't want, because it made our people sick. Port cities like Shanghai were forced to open to British Opium and Hong Kong was taken and made into a British colony to act as a drug distribution hub to pump the addiction throughout the rest of China. That's where China's wealth had gone, into the pockets of Westerners. You said: "Does that mean dictatorship means success?" Not all, but I've already cited several examples of countries/regions who were successful under authoritarian rule, like South Korea under Park, Taiwan island under KMT, Imperial Japan under Emperor Meiji, Singapore under Lee Kuan Yew, and so much more. But you seemly do not accept that there are other alternative forms of government apart from Western-style democracy.
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  21542.  @KrunoslavStifter  "神州 Shenzhou You try to use increase in population as argument against the death tool. I would not use that as strong argument" What strong argument have you presented at all? You brought up Mao's Four Pests Campaign, but you don't even know the number of sparrows in China at that time, which already reduces your argument to just speculation without concrete facts. Whereas I've been consistently providing statistics, showing that China's population actually increased during the Great Leap Forward, which calls into question the exaggerated death toll of 30 million that you claimed. You said: "nor does the increase in number of people equal *standard of living increase.*" But China's standard of living did increase under Mao. For example, China's growth in life expectancy at birth from 35–40 years in 1949 to 65.5 years in 1980 is among the most rapid sustained increases in documented global history (Banister and Preston 1981; Ashton et al. 1984; Coale1984; Jamison 1984; Banister 1987; Ravallion 1997; Banister and Hill 2004). Source: An exploration of China's mortality decline under Mao - NCBI ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4331212/ You said: "Furthermore, after Mao died, China was economically it bad shape, and it was not the Mao economics that gave economic boost to China," China's GDP actually increased under Mao, growing from just $30.55 billion (USD) in 1952 to $306 billion in 1980, so how was China economically in bad shape? Here's a graph of China's GDP growth from 1953 to 1980 China's GDP from 1953 to 1980 1952: $30.55 billion 1953: $31.66 billion 1954: $33.02 billion 1955: $35.01 billion 1956: $39.58 billion ... 1976: $153.94 billion 1977: $174.94 billion 1978: $218.50 billion 1979: $263.70 billion 1980: $306.17 billion ... Source: Historical GDP of China wikipedia.org/wiki/Historical_GDP_of_China#China_NBS_data So China under Mao actually had our GDP increase tenfold from 30 billion in 1953 to 300 billion in 1980.
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  21543.  @KrunoslavStifter  "神州 Shenzhou You try to use increase in population as argument against the death tool. I would not use that as strong argument" What strong argument have you presented at all? You brought up Mao's Four Pests Campaign, but you don't even know the number of sparrows in China at that time, which already reduces your argument to just speculation without concrete facts. Whereas I've been consistently providing statistics, showing that China's population actually increased during the Great Leap Forward, which calls into question the exaggerated death toll of 30 million that you claimed. You said: "nor does the increase in number of people equal *standard of living increase.*" But China's standard of living did increase under Mao. For example, China's growth in life expectancy at birth from 35–40 years in 1949 to 65.5 years in 1980 is among the most rapid sustained increases in documented global history (Banister and Preston 1981; Ashton et al. 1984; Coale1984; Jamison 1984; Banister 1987; Ravallion 1997; Banister and Hill 2004). Source: An exploration of China's mortality decline under Mao - NCBI ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4331212/ You said: "Furthermore, after Mao died, China was economically it bad shape, and it was not the Mao economics that gave economic boost to China," China's GDP actually increased under Mao, growing from just $30.55 billion (USD) in 1952 to $306 billion in 1980, so how was China economically in bad shape, when China's GDP increased tenfold? Here's a graph of China's GDP growth from 1953 to 1980 China's GDP from 1953 to 1980 1952: $30.55 billion 1953: $31.66 billion 1954: $33.02 billion 1955: $35.01 billion 1956: $39.58 billion ... 1976: $153.94 billion 1977: $174.94 billion 1978: $218.50 billion 1979: $263.70 billion 1980: $306.17 billion ... Source: Historical GDP of China wikipedia.org/wiki/Historical_GDP_of_China
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  21548.  @KrunoslavStifter  You said: "First of all Stalin and Hitler made a pack and used it to divide and carve up parts of the Europe." There's a lot of context to the pact. The purpose of the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact was for both Germany and the Soviet Union to get a common border with each other, so that they'll know not to step on each other's toes. For the Soviets, the pact meant that Germany would have to direct their attention Westward, and in Germany's case, it also meant that they wouldn't have to worry about a backstab by the Soviet later. But eventually the attack did came after Hitler broke the deal like you said. You said: "When Hitler decided to break the deal and invade Soviet Union it took a while for Stalin to even react." Because the Nazi invasion of the Soviet Union (i.e (Operation Barbarossa)_ did not succeed in capturing Soviet Union territory, despite the massive losses suffered by the Red Army at that time. So Stalin saw no need to invade Germany territory just because Soviet territory was invaded, what purpose would it achieve for Soviet Union? You said: "The Reason Soviet Union lost so many people is not soly because of the might of Nazi machine, its because it took Stalin a while before he reacted to the start of invasion.." It took Stalin awhile because he believed that the Soviet military was simply not ready to take on the German forces. The massive losses of the Red Army during Operation Barbarossa helped reinforced this believe that Stalin needed to buy time before the Soviet army was ready to take on the Germans. You said: "and it also was linked to the fact that Soviets were ready to send as many many it took into the war machine." That's what happens when your army is clearly unprepared to take on a more advanced Germany army. The Soviet Union knew it was out of time to prepare, so Stalin had to send whatever he could (and in this case, mostly soldiers) to fight against the Germans. You said: "As for paranoid psychopath, Stalin?" If he were paranoid psychopath, why didn't he attack Germany straightaway? Instead, he was relunctant to engage the Germans because he thought his army was not ready for war with Germany.
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  21549.  @KrunoslavStifter  You said: "Its classic communism, my friend. Who controls the past controls the future. Who controls the present controls the past...." ― George Orwell, 1984" It's astonishing that of all sources, you choose to quote lines off a work of fiction to support you argument. Writers of such fiction deliberately exaggerate the negative aspects of certain ideologies for entertainment purposes in order to attract a large readership to their novels. But what happens in fiction is not necessarily what happens in real life, so what's the point of you quoting George Orwell's 1984? If anything, it just adds credence to the possibility of you being brainwashed Western anti-communist propaganda. I actually quote actual data and statistics to support my arguments, whereas you support yours off quotes from works of fiction? You said: "Why do you think Mao had cultural revolution ,besides to get rid of his political rivals." There are many reasons for the Great Proletarian Cultural Revolution, one which is that Deng's economic reforms have allowed some of the ills of capitalism like corruption to seep into and taint the communist party. Another aspect was to get rid of certain Chinese traditions that were frankly hindering China's progress. For example, during the Cultural Revolution, peasants in the rural countryside were granted greater access education. Many women too received an education (Mao's famous saying was that "Women hold up half the Sky" 妇女能顶半边天。) and practices like the binding of feet stopped. Women also featured prominently working alongside their male colleagues during the Cultural Revolution. You said: "The cultural revolution was specifically done to destroy the past by young brainwashed little red generals so he can install new version of history and present and future in which the party" There are some Chinese idoms like 破舊立新 (break the old before you build the new) and 不破不立 (You can’t build the new if you don’t break the old). This is evident throughout China's long history as well, as the pioneers of almost every dynasty would dedicate themselves into destroying the culture from the previous dynasty. That's how even Dr Sun Zhongshan and the Nationalist Kuomintang came to power in China by overthrowing the previous Qing Dynasty.
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  21550.  @KrunoslavStifter  You said: "Mao was responsible for well over 70 million deaths in peacetime," 70 million seems to be if anything, a bloated death toll, but where do those writers get their information from? China's population at that time was around 600 million, so you're telling me that Mao was responsible for a death toll amounting to around 12% of China's population at that time? Then why is it that under Mao Zedong, China nearly doubled in population from 540 million in 1949 to 969 million in 1979? Source: Demographics of China wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_China#Historical_population You said: "Chang and Halliday write that this period (Great Leap Forward) accounts for roughly half of the 70 million total.... places the death toll for the Great Leap Forward at 45 million, and describes it as "one of the most deadly mass killings of human history." But we've already shown that Chairman Mao did not murder those people, they starved to death because of Great Chinese Famine, caused by bad weather conditions like the 1958 Yellow River Flood, causing destruction of crops and resulted in mass starvation. Yet in the West, it's because described as a "deadly mass killing of human history" when it's apparent those people starved to death? Then how can you attribute it to murder when the intention to kill was not there? Also, your book says that 45 million died during the Great Leap Forward (1958-1961) but but if we look at China's population statistics, China's population in was 612,241,552 in 1955 and by 1960, China's population actually increased to 660,408,054, having actually increased by 48,166,502 in just 5 years. Population of China from 1950-1965 1950: 554,419,268 1955: 612,241,552 (Great Leap Forward 1958-1961) 1960: 660,408,054 (Great Leap Forward 1958-1961) 1965: 724,218,970 ... Source: populationpyramid.net/china/1955/ So your book is saying that China's population decreased by 45 million during the Great Leap Forward (1958-1961), yet the statistics from 1955-1960 show that China's population further increased by 48 million?
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  21551.  @KrunoslavStifter "Mao was responsible for well over 70 million deaths in peacetime," 70 million seems to be if anything, a bloated death toll, but where do those writers get their information from? China's population at that time was around 600 million, so you're telling me that Mao was responsible for a death toll amounting to around 12% of China's population at that time? Then why is it that under Mao Zedong, China nearly doubled in population from 540 million in 1949 to 969 million in 1979? wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_China#Historical_population You said: "Chang and Halliday write that this period (Great Leap Forward) accounts for roughly half of the 70 million total.... places the death toll for the Great Leap Forward at 45 million, and describes it as "one of the most deadly mass killings of human history." But we've already shown that Chairman Mao did not murder those people, they starved to death because of Great Chinese Famine, caused by bad weather conditions like the 1958 Yellow River Flood, causing destruction of crops and resulted in mass starvation. Yet in the West, it's because described as a "deadly mass killing of human history" when it's apparent those people starved to death? Then how can you attribute it to murder when the intention to kill was not there? Also, your book says that 45 million died during the Great Leap Forward (1958-1961) but but if we look at China's population statistics, China's population in was 612,241,552 in 1955 and by 1960, China's population actually increased to 660,408,054, having actually increased by 48,166,502 in just 5 years. Population of China from 1950-1965 1950: 554,419,268 1955: 612,241,552 (Great Leap Forward 1958-1961) 1960: 660,408,054 (Great Leap Forward 1958-1961) 1965: 724,218,970 ... Source: populationpyramid.net/china/1955/ So your book is saying that China's population decreased by 45 million during the Great Leap Forward (1958-1961), yet the statistics from 1955-1960 show that China's population further increased by 48 million?
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  21552.  @KrunoslavStifter  You said: "Mao was responsible for well over 70 million deaths in peacetime," 70 million seems to be if anything, a bloated death toll, but where do those writers get their information from? China's population at that time was around 600 million, so you're telling me that Mao was responsible for a death toll amounting to around 12% of China's population at that time? Then why is it that under Mao Zedong, China nearly doubled in population from 540 million in 1949 to 969 million in 1979? You said: "Chang and Halliday write that this period (Great Leap Forward) accounts for roughly half of the 70 million total.... places the death toll for the Great Leap Forward at 45 million, and describes it as "one of the most deadly mass killings of human history." But we've already shown that Chairman Mao did not murder those people, they starved to death because of Great Chinese Famine, caused by bad weather conditions like the 1958 Yellow River Flood, causing destruction of crops and resulted in mass starvation. Yet in the West, it's because described as a "deadly mass killing of human history" when it's apparent those people starved to death? Then how can you attribute it to murder when the intention to kill was not there? Also, your book says that 45 million died during the Great Leap Forward (1958-1961) But if you If you search "China's Population 1955," Google gives 605 million people If you search "China's Population 1960," Google gives 667 million people So your book is saying that China's population decreased by 45 million during the Great Leap Forward (1958-1961), yet the statistics from 1955-1960 show that China's population further increased by 62 million?
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  21553.  @KrunoslavStifter  70 million seems to be if anything, a bloated death toll, but where do those writers get their information from? China's population at that time was around 600 million, so you're telling me that Mao was responsible for a death toll amounting to around 12% of China's population at that time? Then why is it that under Mao Zedong, China nearly doubled in population from 540 million in 1949 to 969 million in 1979? You said: "Chang and Halliday write that this period (Great Leap Forward) accounts for roughly half of the 70 million total.... places the death toll for the Great Leap Forward at 45 million, and describes it as "one of the most deadly mass killings of human history." But we've already shown that Chairman Mao did not murder those people, they starved to death because of Great Chinese Famine, caused by bad weather conditions like the 1958 Yellow River Flood, causing destruction of crops and resulted in mass starvation. Yet in the West, it's because described as a "deadly mass killing of human history" when it's apparent those people starved to death? Then how can you attribute it to murder when the intention to kill was not there? Also, your book says that 45 million died during the Great Leap Forward (1958-1961) But if you If you search "China's Population 1955," Google gives 605 million people If you search "China's Population 1960," Google gives 667 million people So your book is saying that China's population decreased by 45 million during the Great Leap Forward (1958-1961), yet the statistics from 1955-1960 show that China's population further increased by 62 million?
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  21555.  @KrunoslavStifter  You said: "Mao was responsible for well over 70 million deaths in peacetime," 70 million deaths? China's population at that time was around 600 million, so you're telling me that Mao was responsible for a death toll amounting to around 12% of China's population at that time? Then why is it that under Mao Zedong, China nearly doubled in population from 540 million in 1949 to 969 million in 1979? Source: Demographics of China wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_China#Historical_population You said: "Chang and Halliday write that this period (Great Leap Forward) accounts for roughly half of the 70 million total.... places the death toll for the Great Leap Forward at 45 million, and describes it as "one of the most deadly mass killings of human history." But we've already shown that Chairman Mao did not murder those people, they starved to death because of Great Chinese Famine, caused by bad weather conditions like the 1958 Yellow River Flood, causing destruction of crops and resulted in mass starvation. Yet in the West, it's because described as a "deadly mass killing of human history" when it's apparent those people starved to death? Then how can you attribute it to murder when the intention to kill was not there? Also, your book says that 45 million died during the Great Leap Forward (1958-1961) but but if we look at China's population statistics, China's population in was 612,241,552 in 1955 and by 1960, China's population actually increased to 660,408,054, having actually increased by 48,166,502 in just 5 years. Population of China from 1950-1965 1950: 554,419,268 1955: 612,241,552 (Great Leap Forward 1958-1961) 1960: 660,408,054 (Great Leap Forward 1958-1961) 1965: 724,218,970 ... Source: populationpyramid.net/china/1955/ So your book is saying that China's population decreased by 45 million during the Great Leap Forward (1958-1961), yet the statistics from 1955-1960 show that China's population further increased by 48 million?
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  21556.  @KrunoslavStifter  You: "I wonder what the Poles had to say about that. Invaded, enslaved, murdered by the millions in extermination camps." It's an irony today that Poland now supports Ukraine despite the Nazi collaborators like Stepan Bandera that's much worshiped in Ukraine today. I suggest watching the Oliver Stone's documentary: Ukraine on Fire to witness how the sees of Nazism were planted in Ukraine and grew to become the conflict today. You said: "If you read history that is on the record, you would also know" Hindsight is 20/20, just because you know something now, doesn't necessarily mean that the leaders know what the other is thinking back during the signing of the pact. You said: "And Soviets were his target from the start. He simply used deception." Well, then you're correct that the Soviets were duped by Hitler's deception, and were another victim of the Nazi's deceptive policies like you claim. Then that doesn't explain the immense hatred you feel for Soviets, given that not only did they suffer the most casualities of WWII, but they also inflicted the most damage on the Nazis, isn't it? You said: "He was a paranoid psychopath as I've pointed you to a book" Have you considered that perhaps that book is biased against Stalin to depict him as such? Afterall ,there exists such a thing as Western anti-communist propanganda, which you seem to quote again and again. The fact that Stalin felt that the Soviet Union was unprepared to face off against the Germans goes to prove that Stalin had rational, pragmatic thinking, not a psychopath like you claimed. Also, you earlier you said: "There are other methods of fighting war you know." but this just seems like your typical criticism of communist, claiming "there are other methods". The fact is there was no other method, the Soviet Union was not prepared to take on the more advanced German Army (that's why the Red Army suffered immense losses) yet despite being unprepared, they still managed to inflict the most damage onto the Germans during WWII. So what "other methods" are you talking if they didn't do as much damage as the Soviet Union did to Germany?
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  21557.  @KrunoslavStifter  And I still find it astonishing that you continually refer again and again to what's clearly a work of fiction to somehow support your argument against communism. Works of fiction are written by authors for entertainment, so they may deliberately exaggerate negative outcomes in order to attract readership to their titles. What occurred in their novels may not necessarily reflect reality, but it appears that you're unable to distinguish between fiction and reality. You said: "We can read real accounts and see the actions of communist regimes." Yes, we should be looking at real actions of communist countries, not quoting some work of fiction and taking it to be reality. Even fiction that's based on a true story is still fiction, and the writer may have deliberately removed flaws (or introduce flaws) in order to shape the reader's perception towards a particular subject. But that does not mean what happens in fiction is reflected in reality. Because the authors have edited the scenarios to introduce the maximum entertainment value. If you want to look at the actions of communist countries, I've already shown how the communists transform pre-1917 Russia from a technologically backward society into the economic and military power that is the Soviet Union. Communists have transformed what was once arguably Europe's poorest country into its strongest, so much that even NATO countries continue to fear the former Soviet Union, and this stands as a testament as to the power of this ideology.
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  21560.  @KrunoslavStifter  "This, apparently, despite the fact that both movements were notoriously anti-intellectual." Anti-intellectual? Hitler's Nazi engineers made technological developments which were innovative and far ahead of their time, manufacturing weapons such as sonic cannons, x-ray guns and land cruisers. The famous Volkswagen Beetle was commissioned by Hitler in the 1930s as the “peoples car”, designed as a practical, affordable car for German families. Anti-ship missiles were first developed in Nazi Germany during WWII, the effectiveness of anti-ship missiles against Allied vessels in 1943-1944 prompted other countries to develop their own. The V2 Rocket was a German designed rocket that was eventually repurposed by USA and the USSR and used to launch satellites and spacecraft into orbit. Likewise, the Soviet Union made numerous technological advancements during its time. On October 4, 1957, the Soviet Union launched the world's first artificial satellite, Sputnik-1 into space. The launch grabbed the world’s attention because it was at the height of the Cold War. Video: The Sputnik 1 Launch: The First Artificial Satellite To Enter Earth's Orbit youtu.be/g2WaJdflqT0 You said: "Most founders of ideologies spend remarkably little time in trying to establish the truth of the empirical and logical components of their belief systems." I agree and frankly speaking, this is the best course of action. While theory is important yes, in my opinion, the practical results are what sells the ideology itself and makes it more palatable for people to accept this ideology. And the fact remains that the communists transform what was arguably once Europe's poorest country into its strongest as the Soviet Union, both economically as well as militarily. That's why NATO was formed in response to Soviet Union's rising military might, and the Soviet Union was also the world's 2nd largest economy from 1960-1985. To me, it's the results of an ideology that count far more than the founder's ability to establish their belief system.
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  21563.  @KrunoslavStifter  "Indirectly, you have perpetuated the myth of Mao," So it appears you cannot even answer my question of which work of fiction did I quote, even after you accused me of quoting works of fiction. Instead, you constantly quote the work of fiction that is George Orwell's 1984 as somehow being representative of communism, when it's apparent that the author wrote the novel for entertainment purposes, and deliberately exaggerated the negative scenario in order to appeal to readers and attract readership. You said: "that is not truthful and unlike Orwell's writing it is not representation of something inside a fiction. It is a propaganda. That is the intent and purpose of it." How is this so-called "Myth of Mao" that you accused me of quoting as a work of fiction, not even truthful? I gave actual data and statistics, showing that under Mao Zedong, China nearly doubled in population from 540 million in 1949 to 969 million in 1979. China's Life Expectancy at birth under Mao nearly doubled from 35–40 years in 1949 to 65.5 years in 1980 and is among the most rapid sustained increases in documented global history (Banister and Preston 1981; Ashton et al. 1984; Coale1984; Jamison 1984; Banister 1987; Ravallion 1997; Banister and Hill 2004). Infant mortality rate in China under Mao plummeted from 195 per thousand in 1950 to just 55 per thousand in 1980. Adult illiteracy rate also nearly halved under Mao. By 1959, illiteracy rates among youth and adults (ages twelve to 40) had fallen from 80% to 43%. Sources: An exploration of China's mortality decline under Mao: A provincial analysis, 1950–80 https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4331212/ ‘The Single Greatest Educational Effort in Human History’ languagemagazine.com/the-single-greatest-educational-effort-in-human-history/ What "Myth of Mao" are you talking about when I quoted actual data and statistics? Whereas you go on and on about George Orwell's 1984 when it's all a work of fiction that's all. You said: "But myth of Mao is not about moral teachings, its about total control over the population for benefits of smaller minority, relatively speaking." What smaller minority? When Mao came to power, he seized the lands from the rich corrupt landlords and then redistributed it to the dirt-poor peasants (which formed the majority of China's population at that time). For the first time in centuries, many peasants found themselves freed of having to pay crippling taxes to landlords for the lands they worked on, and that's why everyone in China have our own laojia (老家) to return to. You said: "Last one happened when Xi came to power. Under "fighting corruption" excuse off course, he purged quite a few party members." Corruption is a universal phenomena and every country suffers from corruption to a certain degree. But under Xi, there are anti-corruption campaigns to deal with the mountain of corruption inherent within the communist party. More than 100,000 people have been indicted for corruption including over 120 high-ranking officials, including about a dozen high-ranking military officers, several senior executives of state-owned companies, and five national leaders. Source: Anti-corruption campaign under Xi Jinping wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-corruption_campaign_under_Xi_Jinping But when is the last time a country like the USA had an anti-corruption campaign of its own? Hilary Clinton is corrupt politician and Donald Trump promised to jail her during his presidential campaign. But after he became president, no further action been taken against Clinton for corruption.
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  21564.  @KrunoslavStifter  You said: "The characters and locations are work of fiction, but they symbolize actual regimes and his book was written as a warning for others, manual for some, definitely not as pure entertainment." Symbolizing actual regimes doesn't necessarily mean that the actual events happened as was unfolded in the story, the author takes an artistic license to his portrayal and exaggerate certain aspects in order to entertain readers and attract readership to his novel. That's the point of differentiation between reality and fiction. The allegations of 1984's material being a "warning for others, manual for some" is again just artistic interpretation of a work of fiction that's designed for entertainment. What "warning" is there to be given, when the material does not reflect actual reality? What sort of "manual" is it that has no instructions on it? You said: "What is the intent of a work of fiction?" Go ahead and search for the answer to your question, you'll find out the main purpose of fiction is to entertain. Fiction is *any story made up by an author. *It is a creation of the author's imagination. It is not based strictly on history or facts. The opposite of fiction is non-fiction, writing that deals with facts and true events. You said: "Dystopian literature such as Brave New World by Aldous Huxley (1932) and Nineteen Eighty-Four by George Orwell (1948)" More works of fiction by George Orwell; stories made up in the mind of an author that aren't strictly based on history or facts. You said: "You may think of it as fiction, many looking around see it as reality and those in power, might as well see it as manual." That's because it is fiction, not reality, and certainly no manual given the sheer lack of instructions on such works of fiction. Have you actually read an actual manual for yourself? An actual manual is nothing like fiction, it's filled with instructions, troubleshooting tips, maintenance procedures and whatnot, and it's certainly not as entertaining as works of fiction. You said: "Only psychotics might see it as entertainment." So you're implying that readers of George Orwell's novels who picked up the book because they find it interesting or intriguing, are possible psychotics themselves? You said: "Your read the western or on the other end CCP propaganda and you might as well be reading 1984 or history book." 1984 is a work of fiction and shouldn't even be grouped together with an actual history book. Oceania, Eurasia and Eastasia are fictional superstates in the novel that did not exist throughout actual world history.
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  21565.  @KrunoslavStifter  I've already gave previous examples of how Stalin cared for his people, even Mao Zedong clearly cared about China which is why he wanted to make China strong enough to resist foreign imperialism. Look at what you wrote previous about Mao, you can see that his intentions was to strengthen China though industrialization, self-sustainability and development. Every move that Mao made had an objective that will benefit China in some way or another, then how can you classify such people as psychopaths because of a book? Speaking of books, I still don't get why you claim that the Soviet Union was "notoriously anti-intellectual" when the Soviet Union literally made numerous advances in science and technology during its heyday. Not only did the Soviet Union launched the world's first artificial satellite (Sputnik-1) into orbit, but they also invented the spacesuit and the first human in space was Soviet Cosmonaut Yuri Gagarin. On April 12, 1961, Soviet cosmonaut, Yuri Gagarin, made history at the age of 27 by completing a single orbit of Earth in approximately 108 minutes. After more than 50 years, Gagarin’s journey is still regarded as a key moment in space history that paved the way for all future space endeavors that followed. Video: Yuri Gagarin Became The First Human In Space, 57 Years Ago Today youtu.be/vkVAqNbX0Nw There's many examples of Soviet inventions and innovation while under the communists, I really don't get why you claim the Soviet Union was notoriously anti-intellectual. How did pre-1917 Russia transformed from being arguably Europe's poorest country into it's strongest as the Soviet Union if it didn't have innovation?
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  21566.  @KrunoslavStifter  I just typed a search entry for "What is the purpose of fiction?" and Google's answer is the purpose of fiction is to entertain. If you look up Wikipedia: Fiction it is described as any creative work, chiefly any narrative work, portraying individuals, events, or places in ways that are imaginary or inconsistent with history, fact, or plausibility. The opposite of fiction is non-fiction, writing that deals with facts and true events. So I find it astonishing how you can continually use George Orwell's 1984 (clearly a work of fiction) as an argument against communism and continue to do so. Like I said, I know not of any professor who would take you seriously if during an exam, you choose to quote a work of fiction like George Orwell's 1984 as a source to describe the actual history of the Soviet Union. You said: "And fiction that is done for entertimant in mind as main purpose, is fairly recent development." As recent as in 1949 when George Orwell's 1984 was published? Then we are in agreement that George Orwell's novel is clearly a work of fiction meant for entertainment purposes. I mean, even the date 1984 has come and passed, and the events described in the novel did not come to pass. You said: "Are you suggesting propaganda posters during Mao or Stalin era is mainly for entertainment." Propaganda posters aren't classified as works of fiction if the events depicted do indeed occur in reality. And what we do know is that during the Cultural Revolution, women were granted equal access to education as their male counterparts, and made up a significant portion of the revolutionary front. As for Stalin's propaganda posters, the fact remains that the communist transformed pre-1917 Russia from arguably Europe's poorest country into its strongest as the Soviet Union, both economically as well as militarily. Polls in Russia have revealed that the most common feeling toward Stalin was respect (41% of all Russians). Over 51% had positive feelings toward Stalin (respect, admiration, sympathy) and it goes to show that Stalin did indeed make the Soviet Union into a power like no other. You said: "I could point out myths in the communist regimes" All I asked, is that you point out a work of fiction that I quoted after you've accused me of such, yet it's apparent that you're unable to do so. Because I never quoted any work of fiction. You said: "Christian Bible is full of mythology... Even Hollywood movies... movies like Rambo III or Independence Day are great entertainment, but behind that lies political propaganda... Orwell's book is not entertainment," So you've admitted that works of fiction have been used as propaganda, then wouldn't you say that Orwell's novel is propaganda as well? Specifically anti-communist propaganda? Why do you just blindly buy into the writings of a work of fiction when it's apparent that the events within are not necessarily reflective of reality?
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  21567.  @KrunoslavStifter  You said: "The Great Mao and Stalin the leaders of the people for the people by the people. Hmmm." In April 2019, a Levada center poll revealed that 70% of Russians approve of Stalin's role in Russian history, the highest ever recorded, and that 51% viewed Stalin in a positive light. Likewise, most Chinese believe Mao Zedong is is a great person with “70% achievements+ 30% faults”. Chairman Mao seized lands from the rich landlords and redistributed the land to the peasants. Instead of having to pay taxes to landlords for lands they worked on, the peasants actually owned the land for once. Mao Zedong succeeded in the herculean task of reunifying our divided country, where the previous KMT administration failed for 37 years. I cannot stress the enormity of this task. If not for Mao Zedong, China today would most likely be weak and divided, with warlords ruling over us, instead of the strong unified country we are today. But it seems like you rather believe Stalin and Mao are paranoid psychopaths based off some book, rather than look at the achievements made by the communists in both countries. You said: "The development of new technology does not mean anti intellectual, but questioning the purpose of usage and development of such technology, if it goes against the official narrative will be hostile to the intellectual though." So are you saying that development of mass surveillance, censorship programs, advanced facial recognition software being used to spy on population is hostile to the intellectual, even in Western countries? Then virtually all countries have a degree of anti-intellectualism to them. You said: "When Chinese civilization invented gun powder, clearly that was not limiting technological advancements. But could you have been equally celebrated if you questioned the legitimacy of the Middle Kingdom and rule of the Emperor?" That's a very contextual situation. Despite the authority of the Emperor, there have been rebellions by ordinary people that have successfully overthrown emperors in China, and Chinese history is littered with rebellions that were the downfall of tyrant emperors. Intrinsic to a ruler's right to rule China, is also the right of rebellion by people, if the emperor does not perform up to Heaven's standard. This is known as the Mandate of Heaven (天命) where a competent ruler is allowed to continue ruling China if he/she successfully quells rebellion, while an incompetent ruler will eventually be overthrown by rebellion, with either outcome being considered "Heaven's Will" according to this Chinese political philosophy. Source: Wikipedia: Mandate of Heaven wikipedia.org/wiki/Mandate_of_Heaven So to answer you question, if you questioned the legitimacy of the Emperor, but succeeded in a revolt to overthrow the ruler, then you would actually be celebrated as having earned the Mandate of Heaven, and you could become Emperor yourself.
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  21568.  @KrunoslavStifter  You said: "During Stalin reign or Mao reign some technological advancements happened and some did not." Not only did the Soviet's launched the world's first artificial satellite (Sputnik-1) and that the first man in space was Soviet cosmonaut Yuri Gagarin, but the Soviets also launched the world's first space station, Salyut-1 into orbit in 1971. Video: 50 Years Ago The First Space Station Launched - Salyut 1 youtu.be/Ju6rmFm1_9M You said: "Because of central planing and push to serve the party." Where you get the idea that communist ideology is to serve the party? If communists were really about holding onto power, then why is it communists fight for the powerless? Communists fight for the weak, the starving, the homeless, the jobless, the illiterate, and for those unable to fight for themselves. Instead of serving the party, communists fight primarily to serve the people. Like all those plans made by Stalin and Mao, you think it's purpose to consolidate power? If that were really the case, why did Mao propose the Great Leap Forward to transform China from an agricultural country into an industrialized nation? Wouldn't it be better to leave China a dirt-poor agricultural country if Mao was only interested in holding onto power? Why did Mao want to increase crop yields, increase steel production, and all those developments if Mao was only interested in holding onto power? Because communist ideology is all about serving the people and freeing China from Western imperialism. You said: "Five year plan? Terrible idea." China has produced many 5-year plans, 10-year plans, 20-year plans, 30-year plans, etc to map out China's future and direction in the years 2025, 2030, 2040, 2050. By abolishing the presidential term limits, our leaders can remain in power long-term to see their plans for China bloom and come to fruition in the future. Whereas in the United States for example, the U.S Presidents have to step down after 4-8 years once they've reached the end of their term limits. This means that the presidents can only make short-term plans for America's future, instead of long-term plans, spanning say 10 years or more. So I'm not so sure why you seem to think the term five year plan is a terrible idea in and of itself. Even till today, China makes use of such 5-year plans to map out our future and gauge our progress over the long-term.
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  21569.  @KrunoslavStifter  What's the point of quoting anti-communist poetry from David Benioff's City of Thieves? That's another work of fiction just like George Orwell's 1984, so once again, I am astonished that you can quote works of fiction as arguments against communism, while seemingly ignoring the basic facts on the ground. You said: "The enterprise manager would be rewarded for meeting the targets or punished for failing to meet the objective." Same with most business models, if your manager fails to meet the objective, he may get demoted, or sacked, or take a pay cut. You said: "For example, if a turbine enterprise manager was given a target of 100 turbines for the month, the incentive would be to produce the smallest turbines possible, even if larger ones were needed." The same could be said of capitalism, where companies may strive to use the least amount of material to incur the least costs to their company. Both capitalism and communism seek to meet market demands, except that capitalism does so in pursuit of profit. You said: "If they tried new techniques of production that might possibly be more efficient—and if the new approach failed—then they could lose their jobs." Every new venture carries with it a certain amount of risk of failure. Even in the West, if your venture fails, you may lose your job just as well, and might even end up bankrupted, whereas in the Soviet Union, managers seek to hire as many workers as possible (like you said earlier). You said: "One of the chief criticisms of the Soviet economy was its lack of innovation—in terms of production methods and in range of new products" Soviet Union's GDP was the world's 2nd largest during its heyday from 1960 - 1985. The Soviets invented and launched the world's first artificial satellite, Sputnik-1 and the first man in space was Soviet Cosmonaut Yuri Gagarin. The Soviet's launched the world's first spacestation Salyut-1 into orbit, and they've also made numerous advances in nuclear technology. On June 27, 1954, the world's first nuclear power station to generate electricity for a power grid, the Obninsk Nuclear Power Plant, commenced operations in Obninsk, in the Soviet Union. You said: "The typical Soviet manager was not focused on minimizing costs or maximizing sales revenues." Yes, because communism is not primarily about the pursuit of profits, it's about making sure that nobody gets left behind. Whereas capitalism takes steps such as shrinking workers wages in order to skim off a wider profit margin for themselves. You said: "Full employment didn’t mean efficient use of labor, of course. Often, enterprises would employ workers who didn’t do anything but were around in case production needed to be increased quickly to meet the target as the month came to a close." On the other hand, workers get to rest and even rotate shifts with other workers who were on standby. And when the time came to rush to meet the target, companies often had sufficient workers. Full employment also means less likely that jobless people would start to gather and protest Whereas in capitalist countries, employers want to increase profits by hiring the minimum number of workers, many of who, are expected to work overtime (sometimes without extra pay) during peak periods. And if you ask those workers, sometimes the extra pay is not worth it, when there is shortage of staff to bear the workload. You said: "This practice of feverishly rushing to meet the target at the end of each month was called storming," Storming was primarily caused by the required materials and tools not being available on time, and the workers often use this time to do something else. It wasn't caused by having too many workers. You said: "Afterward, the workers might need to rest a bit at the beginning of the next month. And if they rest too long, they will need to storm again." This meant that workers get more leisure time to recover, whereas frantically overworked employees in capitalist countries often don't get to, even after they worked overtime just because their employer wants to extract a larger profit margin for themselves by hiring the minimum number of employees. The result is the mental breakdown of many employees after years of working overtime with not enough rest.
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  21570.  @KrunoslavStifter  "神州 Shenzhou Either Goggle is wrong or you ignored the parts you didn't like." Or perhaps you simply cannot accept the fact that the primary purpose of fiction is to entertain, and that the events contain within works of fiction are there to entertain and attract readership to the novels, and not necessarily reflective of reality. The problem is when you try and confuse fiction with reality as what you're doing. You said: "And that is not what we are talking about here and you know it." We are talking about reality versus fiction. I've repeatedly cited real data and statistics to prove my point whereas you've been using works of fictions like George Orwell's 1984 and David Benioff's City of Thieves to argue against communism. The opposite of fiction is non-fiction, writing that deals with facts and true events. That is what we are dealing with. You said: "Its not rocket science. For god sake. " Even basic science and common sense tells us not to confuse fiction with reality, yet it seems you don't even have the fundamentals down. You said: "No, its not anti-communist propaganda. Its revelation of communist propaganda." Why can you say with confidence that Orwell's 1984 is not anti-communist propaganda? After reading the novel, you might develop anti-communist sentiment, even though the events featured in the novel are fictional and could have been negatively exaggerated in order to create such an impression. You said: "That is the point of the novel. To show how communist style system works , regardless of time and place." But it is ultimately work of fiction, it doesn't mean reality will follow as the author predicted in his novel. It's absurd to think that a work of fiction can somehow be justified as evidence against communism, which professor or scientist would take you seriously if during an exam, you use Orwell's novel as a source to describe the actual history of the Soviet Union? You said: "The principle methods and mindset of communists do not change ...Because communist mindset does not change..." Countries proclaiming to be communist have arguably undergone perhaps the greatest change in recent history, most notably China and Russia. The Marxist philosophy of dialectical materialism proposes the resolution of contradictions (arguments) through real-world conditions (facts). A thesis is initially conceived which then encounters a contradiction, an antithesis which would push and pull against each other, eventually coming to a compromise, a synthesis. Later, that synthesis becomes a new thesis, which encounters an antithesis and the whole cycle repeats itself. You said: "If you want to be efficient communist you would use his novel as a manual" Seems like you don't even understand what a manual is. What instructions are present inside Orwell's novel, you tell me? There's nothing in the novel about seizing the means of production, nothing about the abolition of private property, nothing about class struggle, nothing about the revolution, and certainly nothing about the wrongdoings of the imperialists. It’s a work by a faux socialist to strawman Stalin’s entire cause without any unaltered evidence. You said: "I've covered this in details, you chose to ignore the inconvenient truth that does not fit the narrative." I've cited data and statistics, and it appears that because it doesn't fit your anti-communist narrative, you choose to ignore the inconvenient truth here. Instead you just believe Orwell's novels are not anti-communist propaganda, even though most likely that work of fiction has imparted negative feelings towards communism in your mind, without much of a basis in reality. You said: "You don't understand why it happened and you ignore the disproportional cost and alternative methods of achieving the same thing." I've responded on the so-called "disproportional cost" of 20 million dying during WWII as because the Stalin thought the Soviet Army was not prepared to receive the Nazi invaders. I mean, do you blame the rest of the Allies for the deaths they suffered during WWII? And you keep on bringing up alternative methods but do you actually have evidence that such alternative methods would have achieved the same thing? Would the Soviet Union under your alternative methods achieve the same thing of inflicting the most damage onto the Germans during WWII? Otherwise it's just speculation that's all. You said: "To take full advantage of the interpreting the data correctly we often need experience. "Information is pretty thin stuff unless mixed with experience. Something you have not shown." And the people with the most experience being under the Soviet Union are the Russians themselves, yet why do you distrust what the survey says about Russian's positive feeling Stalin? Aren't they the ones who've experienced living under him? You said: "Its called confirmation bias and you have not protected yourself from it." Says the one constantly quoting works of fiction and anti-communist poetry, without actual statistical data to back them up. You said: "Scientific approach is about looking at statistics and adjusting your assumptions according to what they reveal to you." Yes, that describes what I am doing, looking at statistics that the communists transformed pre-1917 Russia from arguably Europe's poorest country into its strongest as the Soviet Union, and making numerous advances in science and technology such as launching Sputnik-1, Yuri Gagrin, Salyut-1 into orbit. On the other hand, even when you're faced with reality, you still stick to the same assumptions about communism based off works of fiction that you have read. You said: "I suggest you avoid statistics as much as possible," I suggest you avoid works of fiction, and quoting philosophical statements that have no impact on the discussion as much as possible. You said: "because if that is the game we play I can find statistics to show the exact opposite of your statistics, sadly we would be wasting time with statistics." I would be delighted for you to find statistics that show the exact opposite of mine. Sadly, we are wasting time with works of fiction and poetic statements instead. Here are more statistics: there is a drop in life expectancy of people living in post-Soviet Union countries after it's collapse. Male life expectancy in Russia fell from 63 years in 1990 to 58 in 2000. Belarus and Ukraine also saw a drop in male life expectancy. In Belarus it fell from 66 years in 1990 to 64 in 2009 and in Ukraine it declined from 65 years in 1990 to 62 in 2009. Kazakhstan is the former Soviet republic with the lowest life expectancy, falling from 61 years to 59 over the same period. Source: Low Life Expectancy Continues To Plague Former Soviet Countries https://www.rferl.org/a/life-expectancy-cis-report/24946030.html
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  21574. +AM Life Why spreading "democracy" is considered something good, if it has led to various wars in Korea, Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan, etc? Russia and China are considered meddling in global affairs, when USA is the one spreading "democracy" and sending warships and bombers halfway across the world to wage war in Middle East and Asia? Our countries ARE in Asia, whereas the USA isn't, so what is America's business when its mainland is not threatened across the Pacific Ocean? Russia and China at least have a vested interest in peace and stability in Asia, not the USA. France, Germany, Scandinavia, Canada, Australia, exactly how are those countries several times better than China and Russia in every aspect? Do those countries have world's 2nd largest economy like China? Do those countries have world's 2nd and 3rd defense spending, like China and Russia? Are those countries willing to stand up against the USA when they believe that USA should not interfere in Syria, Afghanistan and Middle East, or are they just US puppets that agree to whatever demands America wants? Exactly how are these countries going to "balance" against USA, if they are helpless against whatever action US takes? For example in 2004, UN General Secretary of State, Kofi Annan had called the US invasion of Iraq "illegal," but President Bush still went ahead invade Iraq on suspicion of WMD, but found nothing in the end. You act like every country has to follow democracy to be successful, but why can't Russia and China follow our own governing systems, if they have worked out for our countries? Nobody said everyone in the world has to follow Western democracy, so why is USA spreading "democracy" and meddling in affairs in Eurasia, from across the Pacific Ocean?
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  21625. Here's the Chinese way to explain the Ukraine/Russia war in the form of a family drama to help clear up confusion about the situation: More than 20 years ago, Ukraine divorced her ex-husband (Russia), taking several children along with her. Still, the ex-husband was very accommodating to her and generously left her with a lot of family property as well as paying off more than 200 billion in debts for her. After getting rid of her ex-husband, Ukraine started flirting with the village chief (United States) and his harem of concubines (i.e NATO countries) until she was completely ensnared in their arms. That's still acceptable to a certain degree, (but) she was enraptured with the village tyrant, and hooked up with him in a plan to attack her ex-husband. The ex-husband was very angry and had insisted on returning a child: Crimea. Ukraine began to harboring grudges against her ex-husband, and someday dreams of marrying into the NATO family, and of surrounding and constricting her ex-husband. The village chief didn't really want to marry Ukraine into the NATO family, because she was high-maintenance and loved to splurge money. Even his many wives did not want her into the family, yet they still encouraged her to join the family. In truth, the village chief just wanted to use her like a pawn to bully her ex-husband. After 8 years of constant abuse, her two children (Donetsk and Luhansk) were crying and imploring for help from their father. The village chief was always on the sidelines in the ex husband and wife conflict, occasionally sending in expired items (ammunition) from time to time. Ukraine thought she had someone to support her, and became even more presumptuous towards her ex-husband. The ex-husband could bear it no longer, took another glance at the poor treatment of the children, and rushed over in defense of his two children, so the ex husband and wife started fighting. Now, the village chief and his many wives are cheering on Ukraine from the sidelines, yet none of them are willing to lift a finger and partake in the actual fighting themselves. Ukraine is unlikely to marry into the NATO family, because that would mean that the village chief and his many wives would have to join the fight against the ex-husband. ... Hopefully this helps clear up any confusion in the Ukraine/Russian war and puts it on a more relatable level.
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  21672.  @rpg1663  "神州 Shenzhou 400-800 in a single day?" I never said a single day, I was using statistics for the Maidan Revolution to arrive at that figure, but where did you get your figure for millions of Ukrainian people during 2014, protesting against President Yanukovych? You said: "What about the 24% of votes which the last pro-Russia puppet got in 2019? Does that make it clear to you where the Ukrainian people stand on?" In the 2019 Ukrainian election, Zelensky won a landslide victory with his promise of a "peace-settlement" in Donbas and that's what the Ukrainians voted for. He told reporters he would "reboot" peace talks with the separatists fighting Ukrainian forces and volunteers in the east. "I think that we will have personnel changes. In any case we will continue in the direction of the Minsk [peace] talks and head towards concluding a ceasefire," Zelenksy said. But throughout the election campaign, he avoided serious interviews and discussions about policy - preferring instead to post light-hearted videos to social media, and even after his election, he did not abide by the Minsk agreement, that's why Putin was eventually forced to take action. You said: "What about the almost 2,5 million people who already flee to the West instead of Russia?" Do you actually have proof of 2.5 million people fleeing to the West? Over the course of 8 years of conflict in Donbas, Russian officials said that 70,000 refugees had fled across the border into Russia since the fighting began.
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  21686. Meanwhile, Western journals continue to predict an economic hard landing for China. 1990. The Economist: China's economy has come to a halt 1996. The Economist: China's economy will face a hard landing 1998. The Economist: China's economy entering a dangerous period of sluggish growth 1999. Bank of Canada: Likelihood of a hard landing for the Chinese economy 2000. Chicago Tribune: China currency move nails hard landing risk coffin 2001. Wilbanks, Smith & Thomas: A hard landing in China 2002. Westchester University: China Anxiously Seeks a Soft Economic Landing 2003. New York Times: Banking crisis imperils China 2004. The Economist: The great fall of China? 2005. Nouriel Roubini: The Risk of a Hard Landing in China 2006. International Economy: Can China Achieve a Soft Landing? 2007. TIME: Is China's Economy Overheating? Can China avoid a hard landing? 2008. Forbes: Hard Landing In China? 2009. Fortune: China's hard landing. China must find a way to recover 2010: Nouriel Roubini: Hard landing coming in China 2011: Business Insider: A Chinese Hard Landing May Be Closer Than You Think 2012: American Interest: Dismal Economic News from China: A Hard Landing 2013: Zero Hedge: A Hard Landing In China 2014. CNBC: A hard landing in China 2015. Forbes: Congratulations, You Got Yourself A Chinese Hard Landing 2016. The Economist: Hard landing looms for China 2017. National Interest: Is China's Economy Going To Crash? 2018. The Daily Reckoning: China's Coming Financial Meltdown 2019. BBC: China's Economic Slowdown: How worried should we be? 2021 Bloomberg: Chinese economy risks deeper slowdown than markets realize 2022. Bloomberg: China Surprise Data Could Spell R-e-c-e-s-s-i-o-n 2023. Bloomberg: No word should be off-limits to describe China's faltering economy. ... Yet it's already 2024 and China's economy is still going strong.
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  21692. +Tony Iacomi I clearly never said "China is the oldest civilization", I said "China is among the world's oldest 'continuous' civilization still alive today". Egypt may be older, but it is certainly not 'continuous' like Chinese civilization. For example, do Egyptians still speak Ancient Egyptian and write Egyptian Hieroglyphics today? Chinese culture today is still very much the culture as it was in the past. Chinese people still celebrate the Chinese New Year (like our ancestors did before) and Confucian values are still taught in China (as well as in Confucian institutes all over the world). Of course, not everything is the same after 5000 years of history, but Chinese culture is still distinct enough that the civilization is considered 'continuous'. I mean, even some Western scholars agree that China is among the oldest 'continuous' civilization. For example, Chinese values like honoring our ancestors still persist today. We have altars dedicated to our ancestors and during Qingming Festival 清明节 also known as "Tomb-Sweeping Day", we visit our ancestors graves to tidy up their surroundings and pay our respects to them. Also, did you know that the Chinese New Year migration, where Chinese people travel back to our home province to be with our families, is considered the world's largest annual human migration (even larger than the Christmas migration) ? About China's 5000 years of history, did you know that the Shang Dynasty (1600 BC) was once considered mythical until around 1950s where the Oracle Bone Script (Chinese Characters) were uncovered, showing that the Shang Dynasty really existed? The even earlier Xia Dynasty (2070) is considered mythological today, but it doesn't mean that it did not exist and new archaeological discoveries are always ongoing and uncovering more evidence to support China having 5000 years of history. I mean, Chinese nobility have been wearing luxurious silk clothing since 4th millennium BCE, whereas the rest of the world wore mostly loincloths as "bedsheets" called togas so how is our Chinese history only 3000 years? Silk is such a valued Chinese commodity that a trade route had been set up and named in honor of the precious material.
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  21695. +Tony lacomi " One could argue that Greek's virtually unchanged political system is an important aspect of civilization. " But as far as I know, Greece is not considered a 'continuous' civilization by many scholars and historians, unlike China. Greek democracy, Spartan democracy, Athenian democracy, Republic of Rome's system, etc, they are all distinct from modern Western democracy. About China not being a united people until 221 BCE, Egypt was also not unified at one point, and was divided into Upper Egypt and Lower Egypt, each ruled by its own Pharaoh with distinct crowns of their own. So who can draw the line at when the start of civilization began in Egypt? Those 3 questions you asked and answered about people living in China, our language, and our civilization, they are just your personal beliefs that's all. After all, you clearly said "But what I would call as a civilization that still exists today? No." means its according to your own definition of a civilization that's all. Your wife's great grandmother grew up during turbulent time in China's history and was only recounting her own experiences. But Chinese belief in 5000 years of history existed long before 1950 and wasn't just the doing of Chairman Mao. For example, during the Qing Dynasty under the Manchu rulers, the Manchu textbook 滿蒙漢合璧教科書 (節錄) had a chapter China (中國) and a passage displayed read "Our country China is located in East Asia... For 5000 years, culture flourished (in the land of China)... Since we are Chinese, how can we not love China." For 5000 years, culture flourished (in the land of China) Source: wikipedia.org/wiki/Qing_dynasty#History I mean, why are you basing what you know about China's history off your wife's great grandmother's stories? You think what she says is reliable? About the growing body of evidence about Chinese migrating from Egypt, can you list of the evidence you claimed? Many Chinese people belief we are descended from homonids found in East Asia, such as the Peking Man a Homo Erectus uncovered in Zhoukoudian 周口店 in 1920s. Excavations at the site under the supervision of Chinese archaeologists uncovered 200 human fossils (including six nearly complete skullcaps) from more than 40 individual specimens, but the work was sadly interrupted by the Japanese invasion of China. About "Why China will Never Rule the World" book, its just a book written by someone that's all. I mean, nobody expected Britain to become a colonial power, but it became one in 19th century. Nobody expected America to overtake its colonial master, but America did and became the superpower in 20th century. So why expect that China will never rule the world based on some author's book? China was a superpower for 1800 years before Britain became one herself, so who's to say China won't become superpower again in the future?
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  21696. +Tony lacomi I have literally shown you a passage quoted from Qing Dynasty textbook 滿蒙漢合璧教科書 (節錄), proclaiming that China has 5000 years of history, whereas what have you shown but your wife's great grandmother's stories? You just claimed that "Before the 1950s, China never claimed to have 5,000 years of history" Why don't you show a copy of the Chinese textbook that says so, to support your claim? You keep saying there is a growing body of evidence of artefacts from Egypt that predate these human remains but have yet to produce any of this evidence. About China and Egypt, I found out that even the Ancient Egyptians found Chinese Silk to be valuable, and that silk has been found in the Valley of the Kings in a tomb of a mummy dating from 1070 BC. There are also Western scholars who believed the Han Chinese descended from Peking Man. For example, Franz Weidenreich (1873 – 1948) considered Peking Man as a human ancestor and specifically an ancestor of the Chinese people, as seen in his original multiregional model of human evolution in 1946. How exactly is Greece considered 'continuous'? You claim the political system is the same, but ancient Greek democracy is not the same as modern Western democracy. Greece was conquered by Rome and Rome introduced its own version of democracy, and then after the fall of Rome, there weren't any more democracies arising, until modern Western democracy came about 200-300 years ago. So how exactly is this considered 'continuous'? About Greek religion staying intact, do the people of Greece worship ancient Greek gods like Zeus, Aphrodite, Apollo, etc, like they did in the past? Or do the modern Greeks worship Christ instead today? Whereas China still has Chinese New Year festival (world's largest human migration) Qingming Festival, Mooncake Festival, etc, so where's your evidence to support your claim that Greek religion is intact much more than China? About China's 5000 years of 'continuous' history, what actually defines a history as continuous? Everyone have their own definition of continuous, but mine is that the history books can be traced almost completely to the civilizations origin. Chinese scholars have been recording Chinese history in every year. We have the names of all 650+ leaders of China, what period they ruled China, what government system they had, how many wives and concubines they had, how many children the royal family had, what happened to their sons, what happened to their daughters, which son succeeded him and so on. We have the historical names of all of China's armies top generals, the size of their armies, the strategies they used, which battles they won, which battles they lost, how many casualties they suffered, how many war horses were killed, what compensation was given to the deceased families, which territories were conquered and lost. We have information about other countries interaction with China, which states were under Chinese suzerainty, which were hostile to China, which were friendly to China, how much tribute was paid to China, and how much tribute China paid them. Of all the existing ancient civilizations, I would claim that none of them had a history as complete as that of China's. China did not have any "dark ages" where no information was being recorded and we can trace our history all the way back 5000 years to the beginning thanks to written texts by our ancestors. List of Chinese monarchs https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Chinese_monarchs I mean, you just biased claim Chinese people today are the product of Mao, when I have shown proof of Chinese people celebrating ancient Chinese traditions, honoring our ancestors and our culture, visiting our relatives during Chinese New Year, eating Chinese food and so many other Chinese traditions. Even our classical music is Chinese and played from ancient Chinese instruments persevered from long ago, so who are you to claim Chinese people aren't what our ancestors were? Beautiful Chinese Music - Bamboo Flute video: youtube.com/watch?v=-5qhNRmMilI
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  21712.  @NNNgocNguyen  Communist China even helped Vietnam gain independence from France. During the First Indochina War, China supplied and provided the Việt Minh guerrilla forces with almost every kind of crucial and important supplies and material required, such as food (including thousands of tonnes of rice), money, medics and medical aid and supplies, arms and weapons (ranging from artillery guns to rifles and machine-guns), ammunition and explosives and other types of military equipment. 2,000 military advisors from the PRC and the Soviet Union trained the Việt Minh guerrilla forces with the aim of turning it into a full-fledged armed force to fight off their French colonial masters and gain national independence. On top of this, the PRC sent two People's Liberation Army (PLA) artillery battalions to help Vietnam fight for independence. Source: First Indochina War wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Indochina_War#China From 1950 to 1954, the Chinese government shipped goods, materials, and medicine worth $43 billion (in 2019 dollars) to Vietnam. From 1950 to 1956, the Chinese government had also shipped 155,000 small arms, 58 million rounds of ammunition, 4,630 artillery pieces, 1,080,000 artillery shells, 840,000 hand grenades, 1,400,000 uniforms, 1,200 vehicles, 14,000 tons of food, and 26,000 tons of fuel to Vietnam. But some Vietnamese nationalist conveniently forgot Chinese aid to them during First Indochina War and some even claimed that they won their independence all by themselves.
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  21736.  @testusersg  It was Singapore that wanted merger with Malaysia and Singapore politicians (beginning with David Marshall in 1955) repeatedly courted the Tunku Abdul Rahman about merger with the Federation. But Malaysia initially didn't want merger. Malaysia can survive without merger, and Tunku Abdul Rahman constantly rebuffed it before finally accepting it, thinking Singapore might fall into another foreign power's grasp. But even after being granted merger, Singapore stirred up trouble in Malaysia by coming up with different policies and opposing against Malaysia's national policies (like you said: "LKY wanted a m'sian's msia, but UNMO wanted malay's m'sia") So from Malaysia's point of view, Singapore was clearly a thorn in Malaysia's side. Malaysia wanted no part of merger, yet still granted it to Singapore, and yet Singapore repaid this gesture by going against Malaysia's national policies. But the Singapore's education system (understandably) tries to paint Malaysia as the perceived enemy to justify its survival You said: "Having a stealth figher of course give SG advantage over m'sia, indonesia and surrounding countries." Actually, I asked: "Could you elaborate on what significant advantage does the F-35 confer onto Singapore?" yet you just say it gives an advantage that's all? Having a stealth fighter also increases the suspicion that Malaysia, Indonesia, etc have towards Singapore. You said: "SG with or w/o F35 is nothing to China. SG will never fight against China." The U.S could pressure Singapore to deploy the F-35 to scout the South China Sea, and potentially attack Chinese warships or bases in the SCS. It's unlikely that Singapore will use the F-35 against Malaysia, Indonesia, etc. You said: "I say, more likely is SG will allow China to open a logistic naval supply base like what US is doing now." The U.S will never allow that. The U.S is already much opposed to China's security deal with Solomon Islands, it's unlikely they will allow Singapore to host a Chinese logistical naval supply base. The U.S might threaten to cut off its F-35 maintenance program in Singapore, making Singapore unable to obtain parts to maintain their F-35 fighters.
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  21740.  @testusersg  So it appears you're unable to refute the points I brought up, so you start making insinuations about my identity in order to discredit me. I have pointed out that I listened to Malaysia's side of the story, but it appears you just blindly believe Singapore's side is true, you said: "SG education only tell the facts" and "Everything that was reported in the news about m'sia are facts understand?" Then aren't you displaying your naivete for all the world to see here? You said: "the SG leaders always emphaise friendly relationships with neighbour and never aggressive," Then why did you bring up "(such as the one always threatening to cut our water supply)." here? It's clear that subconsciously you regard Malaysia as a threat, yet you're unable to furnish proof that Malaysia has threatened to cut off Singapore's water supply. The only example (given by Mole Man) is from Lee Kuen Yew's statement himself. You said: "It is funny that some countries many time bigger are crying about island nation SG pointing a gun at them." That's because there's some country crying about imaginary threats of their water supply being cut off. And frankly speaking, Malaysia is under no absolutely obligation whatsoever to supply any country with water, especially if said country threatens to go to war with Malaysia if they don't supply water. Isn't that basically the same as pointing a gun at somebody and demanding that they sell you water? It's almost like how the European countries slapped sanctions on Russian gas, yet they still demand Russia not cut off their gas supply to European Countries.
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  21753. It's even more obvious in their predictions about China (since 1990). 1990. The Economist: China's economy has come to a halt. 1996. The Economist: China's economy will face a hard landing. 1998. The Economist: China's economy entering a dangerous period of sluggish growth. 1999. Bank of Canada: Likelihood of a hard landing for the Chinese economy. 2000. Chicago Tribune: China currency move nails hard landing risk coffin. 2001. Wilbanks, Smith & Thomas: A hard landing in China. 2002. Westchester University: China Anxiously Seeks a Soft Economic Landing. 2003. New York Times: Banking crisis imperils China. 2004. The Economist: The great fall of China? 2005. Nouriel Roubini: The Risk of a Hard Landing in China. 2006. International Economy: Can China Achieve a Soft Landing? 2007. TIME: Is China's Economy Overheating? Can China avoid a hard landing? 2008. Forbes: Hard Landing In China? 2009. Fortune: China's hard landing. China must find a way to recover. 2010. Nouriel Roubini: Hard landing coming in China. 2011. Business Insider: A Chinese Hard Landing May Be Closer Than You Think. 2012: American Interest: Dismal Economic News from China: A Hard Landing. 2013. Zero Hedge: A Hard Landing In China. 2014. CNBC: A hard landing in China. 2015. Forbes: Congratulations, You Got Yourself A Chinese Hard Landing. 2016. The Economist: Hard landing looms for China. 2017. National Interest: Is China's Economy Going To Crash. 2018. The Daily Reckoning: China's Coming Financial Meltdown. 2019. BBC: China's Economic Slowdown: How worried should we be? 2020. New York Times: Coronavirus Could End China's Decades-Long Economic Growth Streak. 2021. Bloomberg: Chinese economy risks deeper slowdown than markets realize. 2022. Bloomberg: China Surprise Data Could Spell RECESSION. 2023. Bloomberg: No word should be off-limits to describe China's faltering economy. ... Yet despite their predictions, the fact is that China's economy grew 5% year-on-year in 2024.
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  21783.  @hamiorg  I have already proven my earlier point that Communist Soviet Union was indeed capable of innovation, so what more is there to talk about Communist countries allegedly being incapable of innovation? But you're just going to pretend that these Communist Soviet innovations somehow didn't exist? And the Soviet Union introducing reforms is also another form of creativity, but its just that with all instances of creativity, some will yield positive results while others don't, and Soviet Union's reforms was the latter, While China was the former, and did indeed introduce capitalist reforms successfully. I would not say China has reached the status of developed nation, since on average, Chinese people are poorer than in developed countries like Japan, S. Korea, Singapore, etc. So there still remains plenty of room to grow (especially in Western China like Tibet, Xinjiang, etc) And while China is indeed approaching the status of developed nation, as long as the United States is ahead of China, China will have a clear target to achieve and attempt to surpass the USA. China might only start "stagnating" once China surpasses the USA at some point in the future As for China's economic slowdown, it is only a temporary setback, because of the US-China trade war, but Trump's tariffs won't last forever you know. Soon, President Trump will eventually have to step down from being US president, once his term ends, and the next POTUS might just reverse Trump's policies and lift the US-China trade war, thus possibly resulting in a future economic boom for China, as US-China trade relations resume their previous pre-tradewar levels. Who knows?
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  21817.  @blackstar19gammaburst85  Taiwan had been ruled by authoritarian single-party KMT for more than half its life. For decades the KMT ruled Taiwan with iron fist, and Chiang kai-Shek was a dictator who jailed and executed his political rivals (whether real or perceived) in a period known as White Terror (白色恐怖) and imposed martial law on Taiwan for more than 38 years which was qualified as "the longest imposition of martial law by a regime anywhere in the world" at that time. Source: White Terror (Taiwan) wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Terror_(Taiwan) But under KMT authoritarian rule, Taiwan actually flourished and prospered in what's known as the Taiwan Miracle (台湾奇迹) Between 1952-1982, economic growth was on average 8.7%, and between 1983-1986 at 6.9%. Taiwan GDP grew by 360% between 1965-1986 and the percentage of global exports was over 2% in 1986, over other recently industrialized countries, and the global industrial production output grew a further 680% between 1965-1986. And it was all achieved under single-party KMT rule. Source: Taiwan Miracle wikipedia.org/wiki/Taiwan_Miracle Only when democracy was introduced in 1990s (because USA threatened to cut off weapons sales to Taiwan, if KMT did not implement political reforms) did Taiwan's economic growth became more modest. Today, Taiwan's economy is in a slump, wages are stagnant, cost of living is rising, and many graduates from Taiwan are seeking job opportunities abroad, such as in mainland China or in Singapore.
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  21850. Westerners have long been predicting China's economic downfall. Here's a list: 1990. The Economist: China's economy has come to a halt. 1996. The Economist: China's economy will face hard landing. 1998. The Economist: China's economy entering a dangerous period of sluggish growth. 1999. Bank of Canada: Likelihood of a hard landing for the Chinese economy. 2000. Chicago Tribune: China currency move nails hard landing risk coffin. 2001. Wilbanks, Smith & Thomas: A hard landing in China. 2002. Westchester University: China Anxiously Seeks A Soft Economic landing. 2003. KWR International: How to find a soft landing if China.. 2004. The Economist: The great fall of China? 2005. Nouriel Roubini: The Risk of a Hard Landing in China. 2006. International Economy: Can China Achieve a Soft Landing? 2007. TIME: Is China's Economy Overheating? Can China avoid a hard landing? 2008. Forbes: Hard Landing in China? 2009. Fortune: China's hard landing. China must find a way to recover. 2010. Nouriel Roubini: Hard landing coming in China. 2011. Business Insider: A Chinese Hard Landing May Be Closer Than You Think. 2012. American Interest: Dismal Economic News from China: A Hard Landing. 2013. Zero Hedge: A Hard Landing in China. 2014. CNBC: A hard landing in China. 2015. Forbes: Congratulations, You got Yourself A Chinese Hard Landing.... 2016. The Economist: Hard Landing looms for China. 2017. National Interest: Is China's Economy Going To Crash? 2018. The Daily Reckoning: China's Coming Financial Meltdown. 2019. Zero Hedge: Seven Reasons Why China Is Facing A Hard Landing In 2019 ... But its already 2021, and China's economy is still going strong. So why continue to believe China's economy will fall, given that Western economist predictions about China's collapse been proven consistently wrong for almost 30 years already?
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  21880. @owen coleman How exactly is China more evil than USA? China today is not at war with any country and instead of making war on others (like what USA is doing in Middle East) China is building infrastructure like roads, railways, highways, bridges, ports, airports, dams, powerstations in less developed countries like Pakistan, Sri Lanka, Nepal and also African countries like Nigeria, Kenya, Angola, etc. Nobody force those countries to borrow loans from Chinese banks if they don't want to. Western banks like IMF refuse to grant them loans, because these countries are plagued by unstable governments, social unrest and civil wars. That's why Chinese banks charge higher interest rates because of the higher risks involved. About surveillance state, don't Westerners often complain that Chinese people are rude, spit in public, smoke in public, jaywalk, disobey traffic rules, speed past red lights, etc, when not all Chinese are like that? China is introducing Social Credit System to discourage such unsavoury behaviour and penalise people who exhibit such behaviour. If they persist until their scores falls too low, then they will be barred from buying plane tickets to fly to other countries and make nuisance of themselves overseas. At least until their scores improve to become acceptable for them to travel again. And do you have any accurate source about organs being illegally harvested in China? If so, then why nobody step forward and present evidence to International Court of Justice for example? Did President Trump ever mention organ harvesting in China to President Xi? Or did Russian President Putin? Or German Chancellor Merkel? Or British PM May? Or Indian PM Modi? Or Japanese PM Abe? Then why do still believe such rumors of organ harvesting in China?
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  21886. @owen coleman Westerners also made use of Chinese inventions like paper, gunpowder and compass. Ancient Chinese had the Four Great Inventions 四大发明 which have greatly influenced rest of the world. Paper and Printing made the recording and transmission of knowledge much easier. The Compass made navigation much easier and dangerous journeys more safer and reliable. And Gunpowder has greatly changed the way modern wars are fought. But do Chinese people complain about Westerners using our inventions? And about poverty in China, according to World Bank, China’s poverty rate fell from 88% in 1981 to a mere 6.5% in 2012. According to UNESCO, adult literacy rate of China increased from 65.5% in 1982 to a whopping 96.4% in 2015 growing at an average annual rate of 10.39%. This is an impressive feat considering that China is world's most populous country, yet attaining 6.5% poverty and 96.4% literacy rate. Source: Poverty in China wikipedia.org/wiki/Poverty_in_China Falun Dafa was founded in 1992 (only 27 years ago) by Li Hongzhi and it hijacked existing practices from established religions like Taoism and Buddhism, and also traditional Chinese Qigong practices. This should already sound off alarm bells that Falun Dafa is a cult, not an actual religion. I mean, my parents are older than even this so-called "religion." And how exactly does China perform 100,000 organ transplants annually, given that the rest of the world performs about 130,000 organ transplants annually? You mean China performs almost as many transplants as the rest of the world combined? Where does China get all the doctors, surgeons, operating rooms, etc, to perform such bloated number of transplants? That Kilgour and Gutmann report just exaggerate transplants in China from 10,000 to 100,000 and you just believe their words like that?
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  21909.  @bens8013  "1. Do you believe that if Russia got Crimea and the occupied territories that they would just stop there?" Putin has spoken of the concept of a Russkiy Mir ("Russian World"). It's an region that's not defined by territorial boundaries, but by where the Russian people themselves are situated. Back during the Soviet Union, many Russians travelled out of Russia to the various satellite states (mostly to Ukraine) in order to work on various Soviet projects. Crimea was also historically part of Russian Empire but in 1954, the Bolsheviks decided to transfer Crimea to Ukraine to commemorate the 300th anniversary of Ukraine's union with Russia. However, the abrupt Soviet Union collapse in 1991 meant that overnight, many Russians suddenly found themselves trapped outside of the motherland. Most Russians ended up in Ukrainian territories such as Crimea, Donetsk, Luhansk, etc. Just imagine if you left your hometown to work in another region in the country, only to find that overnight, that region becomes independent and you automatically become a citizen of that new state, even though your home is elsewhere. That's why Putin feels sorry for those Russians who've been abandoned after the Soviet Union dissolution. Ukraine had become independent after USSR collapse, and Crimea had became a republic. The 1991 referendum in Crimea pushed for more independence from Ukraine and closer links with Russia. But in 1995, the Republic of Crimea was forcefully abolished and firmly brought under Ukraine control. After the 2014 Maidan uprising, a referendum held in Crimea revealed that the overwhelming majority (97%) voted to join the Russian Federation. Given the history I outlined above, Putin sought to bring back those people into the Russian world, and that's why Crimea was annexed. So to answer your question, Putin wants to make Russians who overnight became citizens of a foreign country, feel safe and not abandoned by their motherland. Ukraine has many territories with significant Russian populations such as Crimea, Donetsk, Luhansk, and Putin seeks to bring these territories back into the Russian world. It's because of the complicated history of the Soviet Union and its sudden collapse left behind unresolved issues.
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  21913.  @acdragonrider  During Unit 731, the Japanese soldiers and doctors conducted horrible experiments on Chinese prisoners. Men, women and children were subjected to live vivisection, often without anesthesia and usually ending with the death of the victim. Organs were removed, limbs were frozen and amputated to study blood loss, and even reattached to opposite sides of the body and these were conducted while the patients were alive because it was thought that the death of the subject would affect the result. Some unlucky prisoners had their stomachs surgically removed and the esophagus reattached to the intestines, just to see how long humans can survive without the stomach. The sexual crimes in Unit 731 were the worst. Prisoners were infected with STDs like Syphilis, and forced at gunpoint to spread it to other prisoners through sex. Women were forcefully raped and impregnated, and they were vivisected at different stages of infection, so that internal and external organs could be observed as the disease progressed. Some Japanese soldiers even participated in the impregnation process and dissected unborn children they fathered with female prisoners. Can you imagine if you are prisoner in Unit 731, having your stomach removed and your gullet attached to your intestine, just to see how long you can live? Or imagine being injected with STDs and then being forced at gunpoint to spread it? Why not simply inject all the prisoners, instead of forcing such humiliating acts upon them? What did Chinese people do to deserve this? All Chinese people wanted to do was defend our lands, and protect our homes and loved ones from the invaders, but the Japanese invaded our lands, killed our men, raped our women and conducted inhumane experiments on our kids.
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  21920. @Monke Westerners have long been predicting China's economic downfall. Here's a list: 1990. The Economist: China's economy has come to a halt. 1996. The Economist: China's economy will face hard landing. 1998. The Economist: China's economy entering a dangerous period of sluggish growth. 1999. Bank of Canada: Likelihood of a hard landing for the Chinese economy. 2000. Chicago Tribune: China currency move nails hard landing risk coffin. 2001. Wilbanks, Smith & Thomas: A hard landing in China. 2002. Westchester University: China Anxiously Seeks A Soft Economic landing. 2003. KWR International: How to find a soft landing if China.. 2004. The Economist: The great fall of China? 2005. Nouriel Roubini: The Risk of a Hard Landing in China. 2006. International Economy: Can China Achieve a Soft Landing? 2007. TIME: Is China's Economy Overheating? Can China avoid a hard landing? 2008. Forbes: Hard Landing in China? 2009. Fortune: China's hard landing. China must find a way to recover. 2010. Nouriel Roubini: Hard landing coming in China. 2011. Business Insider: A Chinese Hard Landing May Be Closer Than You Think. 2012. American Interest: Dismal Economic News from China: A Hard Landing. 2013. Zero Hedge: A Hard Landing in China. 2014. CNBC: A hard landing in China. 2015. Forbes: Congratulations, You got Yourself A Chinese Hard Landing.... 2016. The Economist: Hard Landing looms for China. 2017. National Interest: Is China's Economy Going To Crash? 2018. The Daily Reckoning: China's Coming Financial Meltdown. 2019. Zero Hedge: Seven Reasons Why China Is Facing A Hard Landing In 2019 ... But its already 2021, and China's economy is still going strong. So why continue to believe China's economy will fall, given that Western economist predictions about China's collapse been proven consistently wrong for almost 30 years already?
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  22059.  @Andy-P  "神州 Shenzhou Okay I'll modify my statement. Recent Russian news is pure propaganda. Apparently until yesterday there was no mention of the fighting outside the Donbass." How often do you watch Russian news? They've been talking about Donbass shelling for 8 years, yet why'd you claim they're reporting non-existent shelling? Also, I've noticed that you dodged my question about "Have you also considered the opinion that perhaps the Western MSM like CNN, BBC, etc are biased towards Russia and China as well?" It's like you consider Russian and Chinese news biased, but seemingly not Western MSM, even though there's alot of fake news running on Western MSM. For example, there's this footage of a missile slamming into an apartment in Kyiv and leaving a massive hole in the apartment (but thankfully the apartment remains standing). It turns out that it was not a Russian missile, it was an Ukrainian missile that apparently malfunctioned and hit one of their own buildings. A failure in the missile guidance system of the Ukrainian Buk-M1 medium-range air defense system and the missile hit the corner of a residential building. The Ukrainian anti-aircraft missile malfunction was due to a lack of maintenance of the military equipment, which has been in service since Soviet times. Although Ukraine could have done more by giving away those territories, right now it seems that the best course of action to stop the conflict is for Zelensky to surrender. Zelensky is unnecessarily prolonging the fight by refusing to surrender, and by forcefully conscripting men to fight in the Ukrainian army, in order to increase the death toll. By giving away rifles and rocket launchers to the civilian populace, they want to increase the number of civilian casualties as much as possible. Zelensky also recently removed the age limit on conscription, so now he's literally enlisting child soldiers to sacrifice themselves just because Zelensky refuse to surrender Ukraine.
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  22061.  @Andy-P  "神州 Shenzhou Surrender? That is what the invaders want." Do you see any way out for Ukraine? It's apparent by now that NATO and USA aren't going to send actual troops to defend Ukraine. If somehow Ukraine's entry into NATO succeeds, that means NATO countries would be forced to defend Ukraine, so I can see no way NATO is going to approve Ukraine's entry, especially during the current conflict. Ukraine has been effectively abandoned by the West (even Zelensky mentioned so), so the best course of action would be for Zelensky to surrender. You said: "The conscription limit is 18 - same as Russia." They just changed it just 7 days ago. According to NBC News article: Age restriction removed for joining Ukrainian military it says that Ukraine has removed age restrictions and simplified its procedures for citizens to join the military, the country’s Minister of Defense Alexey Reznikov said. So the removal of age restrictions means that child soldiers under the age of 18 can be enlisted to sacrifice themselves, just for Zelensky's refusal to surrender. By arming civilians with rifles and rocket launchers, Zelensky is attempting to maximise civilian casualties. You said: "I thought more of you Shenzhou to blame the deaths of Ukranian children on the ukranians themselves." So who killed those 14,000 civilians in the Donetsk and Luhansk if not Ukrainians themselves? Were they all struck by lightning and died? Was it an earthquake or some other natural disasters? No, it was by the Ukrainian ultra-nationalist, neo Nazis such as the Azov battalion. Russia is not starting a war, they are effectively putting an end to the Ukrainian civil war that started over 8 years ago. You said: "I see you are propagating other Russian lies to." Why suddenly all the personal attacks against me for my views? And I noticed while that you consider Russian and Chinese media propaganda, yet you don't question Western MSM coverage of the Ukraine crisis? That missile that hit an apartment building in Kyiv couldn't be a Russian cruise missile, because a Russian cruise missile would have leveled the whole apartment, instead of just leaving a gaping hole in the building. You said: "Putin & CCP a marriage made in hell." India abstained from condemning the military intervention in Ukraine either, yet many in the world overlook this. It's seemingly the combination of Red Scare (fear of communism) and the the Yellow Peril (fear of Asians overrunning the West) that's fueling the anti-Russian and anti-China sentiment in the West today.
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  22082. +Mickey G If Westerner only contribute to majority of scientific advancement after 1400, then Asia contributed significantly to scientific advancement from before 1400 isn't that right? Ancient Chinese people invented the crossbow, which spread to Europe and enabled even untrained peasants to fight on equal footing with trained archers during medieval times. The stirrups that enable medieval knights to fight on horseback, originated in China from horse riding nomads in the North. Besides gunpowder, Chinese people also the first to invent handguns, bombs, handgrenades, landmines, naval mines, exploding cannonballs, rockets launchers and of course, fireworks. There is even an ancient Chinese flamethrower housed in Chinese museum, capable of shooting continuous stream of fire just like modern flamethrower. But Western historical textbooks like to credit themselves with invention of these technology. Rocket was Chinese invention, but Americans claimed it was "white person" Robert Goddard that invented the rocket. Many Asian nations including India and China first made recordings of astronomy, but Western textbook would mention only people like Plato or Aristotle. It is this "white washing" that makes it appear like Westerners are scientifically superior, when much of their knowledge of science, mathematics, astronomy is actually gleamed from Asia. Are you saying Native Americans did not consider themselves "nations", therefore they are deprived of the rights to their lands? Europeans were foreign invaders, not of the same continent as America, whereas Chinese civilization accreted from the various indigenous nation states living in Asia along the Yellow river. Our Chinese ancestors lived and walked on these very lands for thousands of years, whereas you can't say the same thing of European colonists in America. Only Native Americans could say their ancestors lived there for millennia.
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  22083. +Mickey G There are many more Chinese inventions I could name. Chinese people invented paper and printing to help preserve and transfer knowledge, which books such as Holy Bible are made from, and helped raised Europe out of Dark Ages. Chinese also invented the banknote, which helped speed up business transactions worldwide by reducing the carrying of metal coinage. In metallurgy, ancient Chinese people invent the blast furnace and cupola furnace, which made use of bellows to achieve the high temperatures necessary to smelt iron ore to create pig, wrought iron, cast iron, as well as steel, being the first nation to use coke as fuel. Using iron drill heads, Chinese people were also the first to drill wells and even mine for natural gas and salt, using bamboo derricks and bamboo pipes to siphon the gas to be use as lantern fuel. About your father and son arithmetic analogy, it goes without saying that the son would not have progressed this far if it weren't for the father teaching him. This is why Chinese people tend to respect elders for their seniority and our ancestors who lived on the land before us. Without their efforts, China would not be where it is today. China has 5000 years of history and is one of world's oldest "continuous" civilizations still alive today, whereas other great ancient civilizations like Rome and Egypt have long since faded to history. Even today, China has accomplished much from science, quantum mechanics and so on. China is home to world's fastest supercomputer, Sunway Taihu Light 神威·太湖之光 and in quantum computing, China is the first nation to launch world's first quantum satellite that is said to be hack-proof due to its quantum encryption, and also demonstrated that the quantum entanglement effect works at distances above the stratosphere. Quantum satellite achieves 'spooky action' at record distance youtube.com/watch?v=4QlcKuxDGrs
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  22084. +Mickey G What is Chinese imperialism compared to Western imperialism? Which country is the one founding colonies in Africa, India and especially the Americas and Australia? China once had the opportunity to create colonies of our own, when our naval power was supreme, such as during Ming dynasty, when Zheng He led seven voyages, visiting Africa, India and the Middle East, with armada of ships, some of which were 4 to 5 times the size of Santa Maria (Columbus' ship) But it was a merchant armada for peaceful trading purposes, and not geared towards expansionism and colonization, unlike the European colonial powers at that time. CrashCourse History on Zheng He's voyages https://youtu.be/NjEGncridoQ?t=126 If you differentiate between quantum computing and quantum satellite, then China also built our own quantum computer prototype that is 24,000 times faster than its international counterparts. China Developing World’s First Quantum Computer chinamoneynetwork.com/2017/04/12/china-developing-worlds-first-quantum-computer China hits milestone in developing quantum computer scmp.com/news/china/policies-politics/article/2092635/china-hits-milestone-developing-quantum-computer If you really are Asian, then you should know that Westerners have often mocked our self-esteem and ridiculed our culture as backward as compared to theirs. But Asian history is much longer and richer than that of Caucasians. Studies have also shown that Asians are among the world's most intelligent and diligent people of culture, so why should we Asians somehow consider ourselves inferior to "White men"? This preconception that Asians are inferior, exists solely within our minds, that's all, and is restricting us from realizing our full potential. We need to shrug off this misconception imposed onto us by Westerners, and to start seeing ourselves on an equal footing as them. Like you said, we need not grow to become overly arrogant. But we should definitely not sell ourselves short of what we are capable of.
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  22085. +Mickey G You keep claiming that I keep on missing your point... then exactly what point are you trying to make here?? The son would be unable to learn differential equation, if his father didn't teach him arithmetic first isn't it? You claim that the younger generation Chinese losing their values, but then again, the son is his own person, different from his father, isn't it? Do you think the son would be able discover differential equation, if he only stuck to his father's arithmetic all the time? In the same way, younger generation of Chinese are paving the way for China's future, in their own way. Why is it you appear to look down China's accomplishments and claim that they are falsifiable? Besides supercomputing and quantum computing, China is 3rd country in world to independently send people into space, besides USA and Russia. In 2008, China conducted our first "spacewalk" during Shenzhou-7 mission and we even landed our very own lunar rover and spacecraft Chang'e-3 on the Moon in 2013, after almost 40 years of neglecting the Moon by NASA. The government also hopes to one day, put a man on the Moon like USA and to also be the first country to land on dark side of the Moon. China Shenzhou 7 Space Walk Live!! Full Success! youtube.com/watch?v=gMxQEHfU6hM You portray China as being imperialistic and expansionist, but currently, China is peaceful and not been involved in any war for 30 years, since our last major battle in 1979. In contrast, the USA is still involved in war and bombing countries in Middle East, even in 21st century. China has territorial disputes with some of our neighbors, but so far, it is bloodless without war being declared. The Chinese government has repeatedly stressed that bilateral dialogue is China's approach to solving these problems. If Asians continue to worship the "white" man on his pedestal, then Asians will forever be shackled under them. Who's going to believe in Asian's success, if we ourselves don't even believe in ourselves? How are we ever going to realize our full potential, if we continue to follow Westerners all the time? It is not set in stone that Westerners are always superior to other races. The world order can always topple and change one day in future, as long as Asian people work towards it. If Asians continue do nothing, then obviously, nothing will change. In the end, Westerners will continue walk all over us.
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  22091.  @repardation7409  Rule of Law? Look at the United States drone strike in Kabul, killing 10 Afghan civilians (including women and children) and the Pentagon investigated the incident and found that the U.S General responsible for ordering the attack did not violate any law. That's American "rule of law" and exceptionalism for you, where they can just kill another country's inhabitants with impunity. And the survey was conducted by reputable organizations like Harvard University and Ash Center. And I mean just think of it, if there was really huge consequences if citizens don't support the government, then the survey should yield 100% support instead of just 80-90%, isn't it? As for the Mandate of Heaven (天命) what it basically means in China is that a leader that has displayed competence would be allowed to remain in power, and that an incompetent leader would be overthrown by revolution. Since President Xi has shown to be a strong and competent leader, able to govern a country of 1.4 billion people (certainly no easy feat) then can't he be allowed to remain in power in order to maximize the benefits to China? Because such quality leadership material is hard to find, just look at the quality of leaders that Western democracies have produced with their policies, like Donald Trump's MAGA, Joe Biden Botched Afghan withdrawal, Boris Johnson's "Partygate" and Scott Morrison's AUKUS alliance betraying France. It's apparent that Western democratic institutions just aren't delivering what the people want, whereas China's government is able to deliver what the Chinese want.
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  22119.  @napalmblaziken  The 14th Dalai Lama sold out to the CIA, accepting American money to train Tibetan guerrillas in separatist activities against Beijing, you expect China to accept a hostile foreign government funding separatists in our country? And with regards to the "true successor" what if the 14th Dalai Lama choose another CIA agent to become the next successor? Previously, while Tibet was under Dalai Lama rule, Tibet was a brutal theocracy, where 95% of the population were slaves and the remaining 5% elites were slave owners. Tibetan mountainous soil is infertile, rainfall is scarce in the Himalayas, so the slaves had to work hard to feed the Tibetan population. Starvation was commonplace and theft of food was punished by torture, amputation and even skinning. There's this Tibetan drum called damaru that's made from human skulls, a drumskin made of human skin and drumstick made of human bone. The Dalai Lama was overly worshipped and his followers fought for the right to consume his saliva, his urine and even his feces, because he was considered a divine vessel. After Tibet returned back to China, Chinese workers began rapidly modernising Tibet, building roads, railways, streetlamps, running water, gas and electricity as well as introducing modern amenities like cars, computers, telephone cables, smartphones, the Internet, WiFi, online shopping (from Taobao) and so on. Under CPC, the first Tibetan colleges opened in Lhasa, offering degrees in both Tibetan and Mandarin Chinese languages. Hydroelectric powerstations were built by Chinese to supply Tibetan homes with electricity. Chinese workers built the Qinghai-Lhasa railway (world's highest elevation railway) through dangerous mountainous terrain and low oxygen environments, to connect the normally isolated Tibet with the rest of the world. Tibet can now import food from the mainland to feed its population, and Tibet's population has tripled from 1 million in 1950s to over 3 million people today. A thriving tourist industry has even sprung up in Tibet.
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  22121.  @napalmblaziken  "神州 Shenzhou The Dalai-Lama didn't train them. The CIA took the opportunity to train up resistance fighters for the Tibetan government in exile." The 14th Dalai Lama accepted foreign money, and here we have explicit evidence of the American CIA funding separatist activities in China, then why should the central government tolerate a hostile foreign power funding separatism in our country? "Why should Tibetans allow a foreign power to rule over them and demand their obedience?" Tibet was part of China since 800 years ago, back when the Mongols conquered Kingdom of Tibet and Song Dynasty China and incorporated those territories into Yuan Dynasty China. The Manchu conquerors of China did a similar thing with Tibet centuries later during the Qing Dynasty. Just look up maps of Yuan Dynasty and Qing Dynasty China and Tibet was clearly part of Chinese history. Tibet broke free of China in 1912 but no one recognized Tibetan independence and Tibet was eventually reunified with the mainland by 1951. "Also, the true successor to the Dalai-Lama isn't a CIA puppet." How can you prove that? The CIA need only instruct the Dalai Lama to choose another puppet, then why should China allow our internal politics in Tibet to be dictated by the CIA? "But China does? The one China calls the successor is a puppet for their authoritarian regime." Why not? Tibet is clearly part of China today as recognized by the rest of the world, then why can't China choose the successor for the Dalai Lama, since it will impact China's internal affairs? Why should China let the CIA choose another puppet given that the Dalai Lama was one himself?
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  22218.  💣 Gaylik 🤯 Lobotomy 💥  Because China and the rest of the world were suffering from a pandemic during 2020, of course China needs to time to prepare for arrival of WHO team to visit Wuhan. About not providing requested data, China did not agree to hand over the original data, copies or photographs in order to protect patients' privacy and this is in accordance with international practice. Other than protecting the names, photographs and privacy of patients, the rest of the critical data were provided to the WHO team. China held a media conference on the COVID-19 origin tracing study on July 22. Liang Wannian, the Chinese leader of the World Health Organization-China joint expert team, said the data on the early patients were displayed in Wuhan for joint research by Chinese and foreign experts. Considered protecting patients' privacy, China did not agree to provide the original data, copies or photographs, which international experts also believe is international practice, said Liang. Expert responds on 'China not sharing raw data on COVID-19' claim youtu.be/W00s58f4kTg This is standard practice in company audits. You can view their records but not take the data nor copy it due to NDA or the document is classified for internal use only. The WHO team completed their investigation in Wuhan and their report is available. China is willing to allow a second investigation as long as it doesn't discount the outcomes of the first-phase investigation conducted by its own experts. In the 123-page report, all the scientists involved unanimously agreed that there were neither grounds nor a shred of evidence to link the virus' origin to the Wuhan lab leak theory. The report concluded that the outbreak was likely caused by the virus jumping from bats to humans through an intermediary animal and labeled the lab leak hypothesis as "extremely unlikely." The report suggested it was important to investigate "potential early events" of COVID-19 cases reported in different countries. Since you claim USA does not refuse WHO investigation, then why haven't USA allowed an investigation into Fort Detrick? If USA is truly uninvolved, then investigations into Fort Detrick will help dispel rumours and clear the USA name, unless they really have something to hide.
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  22220.  💣 Gaylik 🤯 Lobotomy 💥  China is the only country in the world that the WHO Investigation Team visited to investigate Covid-19 origins and their investigation yields that Wuhan Huanan Seafood Market wasn't the origin of Covid-19. Wuhan Institute of Virology was visited by the WHO investigation team and the possibility of a lab leak has been dismissed as highly unlikely. Many industry experts repetitively endorsed the safety of the lab and the impossibility of the lab leak theory. The National Biosafety Laboratory of the Wuhan Institute of Virology in central China was officially put into operation in 2018, becoming China's first BSL-4 laboratory – highest safety level of all – conducting researches of many deadly viruses in the world. A BSL-4 laboratory is also called a P4 lab. The letter "P" stands for pathogen, the higher the number after it, the more dangerous the pathogen is. A rating of P4 designates a lab as a maximum-security area. The P4 lab is mainly used for research on deadly viruses, especially those without a known cure or a vaccine. news.cgtn.com/news/2021-08-08/COVID-19-origin-How-safe-is-the-Wuhan-Virology-Institute-12z2oHxXrfq/index.html Yuan Zhiming, director of Wuhan National Biosafety Laboratory, introduced in a previous interview with CGTN that the lab has strict measures to keep researchers safe from the pathogens and also keep the pathogens in the lab. "We have a complex system for electricity, air filtration, emergency shower, automations, fire safety and life support. All these facilities work to ensure a negative-pressure confined space." If the USA was truly uninvolved, then investigations into Fort Detrick will help dispel rumours and clear the USA name and prove China's accusations wrong. Unless the USA have something to hide.
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  22232.  @TheFivegoodemperors   GorillaGuerilla   GorillaGuerilla  According to your 1st source: Teams will offer language and legal help to mainland visitors under landmark exchange between the two countries, so this supports my earlier point that they will serve as translators. Also, while they're priority is for mainland tourists, that does not mean that they will not help with translation issues with other tourists such as Chinese Americans, Chinese Malaysians, Chinese Singaporeans, etc. These tourists may speak English, but the Italian police may not necessarily do, so Chinese police can once again serve as translators to bridge the language gap. What's "trusting" authorities from the mainland even got to do with this? If Chinese police have limited authority in Italy like you said, then what's there to be afraid? Also taken from your source: Four Chinese officers received special training in Beijing before their assignment, and spoke Italian as well as English, Xinhua ­reported. Each has been paired with a local partner and they have been deployed at the busiest tourist attractions in Rome and Milan. You appear to be citing your own personal experiences to support your claim that many, if not most Chinese Americans hate the CCP/PRC, based on your personal experience. China is actually the world's 4th most visited country, after France, Spain and the United States, according to World Tourism Rankings, seeing some 62.9 million international tourists to China in 2018. Source: World Tourism Rankings wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Tourism_rankings China is also the most popular tourism destination in Asia, surpassing even other Asian tourists destinations like Japan, Korea, India, Thailand, Malaysia, Singapore, etc in sheer number of tourists. You just seemed extremely negative about this whole police program. Even earlier you said "If UK/USA police sent to Beijing and the reason given was to help tourists/translate, they'd be labelled as a foreign imperialist spies on Weibo and killed by a mob" but what makes you harbor such extreme negativity towards China and our people? According to your 1st source, Italian police will head to Beijing and Shanghai to offer a similar service to Italian visitors in a few months. And China’s Belt and Road Initiative is a long term plan by CCP to connect China and Europe, so of course, you'll won't see the results in just 5 years. China can afford to pull this off, because CCP abolished the presidential term limits, so our leaders can remain in power long enough to see their plans for China bloom and come to fruition the future. Whereas in America for example, their US presidents eventually have to step down as president once their term limits are over after 4-8 years, so at the most, American presidents can only make short term plans for America's future, instead of long term plans spanning, say 10 years or more. USA is only interested in short term gains, whereas China is interested in long term benefits.
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  22281.  @everythingandmore5537  "神州 Shenzhou The CCP has no relevance to the new China." If nor for the Communist Party of China, China today would still be a divided country, fighting among ourselves instead of the strong unified country we are today. When Dr Sun Yatsen overthrew the previous Qing Dynasty China and established "democratic" Republic of China 🇹🇼 (1912-1949) China was divided into several areas, we lost control of Tibet, and various warlords ruled different parts of China and even Japan invaded China twice during this weak period of Chinese history. Dr. Sun tried to get help from the Western powers, but they laughed at the thought of China copying their democracy. They even gave away the Shandong province (which had been occupied by the Germans during WWI) to Japan, instead of returning it to China (even when China was part of the Allies during WWI). In the end, Dr. Sun died without ever realising a unified China under democracy. But then Mao Zedong came along, and he accomplished what the ROC could not, and reunifed China under communism, proclaiming the People's Republic of China 🇨🇳 in 1949 and Tibet was finally returned back to China in 1951. If not for Mao Zedong, China today would still be weak and divided country, fighting among ourselves, instead of the strong unified country we are today. You keep on saying "Most ordinary Chinese … Most ordinary Chinese … Most ordinary Chinese …" but where are your sources? Are you even a Chinese citizen yourself? I gave you Harvard University study showing that around 80-90 % of Chinese citizens support the CPC, you got nothing to refute this, you just keep claiming most ordinary Chinese say this or that. Where's your proof?
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  22282.  @everythingandmore5537   "神州 Shenzhou To settle some points. It was the Americans who drove Japanese out of china." Wrong, it was the Soviet invasion of Japanese-occupied Manchuria that was the last campaign fought of WWII and finally caused Japan to surrender at the end of WWII. The Americans didn't even invade the Japanese mainland, how did they drove the Japanese out of China, you tell me? It was Chairman Mao who seized lands from the corrupt landlords and redistributed it to the dirt-poor peasants. Had Chiang won, the peasants would have remained slaves to the corrupt landlords, taxing peasant's work for their entire lives, if not for Mao and the communists chasing the Kuomintang out of the mainland to Formosa (Taiwan). This demonstrates KMT's gross incompetence in their right to rule the mainland, while solidifying the communists right to rule the mainland. Yes, Qing清 Dynasty China conquered Han China, Tibet, Xinjiang, Inner Mongolia, and made them all part of China, so why should Chairman Mao only ruled Han China? Since the Qing Dynasty China, China was no longer a Han-only civilization, the Qing Dynasty considered both Han and non-Han as Chinese. After conquering "China proper", the Manchus identified their state as "China" (中國, Zhōngguó; "Middle Kingdom"), and the emperors equated the lands of the Qing state (including present-day Northeast China, Xinjiang, Mongolia, Tibet and other areas) as "China" in both the Chinese and Manchu languages, defining China as a multi-ethnic state, and rejecting the idea that "China" only meant Han areas. The Qing emperors proclaimed that both Han and non-Han peoples were part of "China". They used both "China" and "Qing" to refer to their state in official documents, international treaties, included Chinese, Manchu, and Mongol languages, and "Chinese people" (中國之人 Zhōngguó zhī rén;) referred to all subjects of the empire. In the Chinese-language versions of its treaties and its maps of the world, the Qing government used "Qing" and "China" interchangeably. So who are you to tell Chinese that Xinjiang, Tibet, Inner Mongolia, etc weren't part of China when they were historically part of Qing Dynasty? And lastly, you're using anecdotes from your ordinary ethnic Chinese friends in your area and the mainland as evidence that "Most ordinary Chinese this … most ordinary Chinese that?" Whereas I quoted an actual Harvard University survey revealing that around 80-90% of Chinese citizens support the CPC, so how can your anecdotal evidence compare to actual surveys by Harvard University?
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  22287.  @everythingandmore5537  "神州 Shenzhou China was a world economic powerhouse before Mao took power in 1949. Mao managed to turn china into a zero economic power." How? When Dr Sun Yatsen overthrew the previous Qing Dynasty China and established "democratic" Republic of China 🇹🇼 (1912-1949) China was divided into several areas, we lost control of Tibet, and various warlords ruled different parts of China and even Japan invaded China twice during this weak period of Chinese history. Dr. Sun tried to get help from the Western powers, but they laughed at the thought of China copying their democracy. They even gave away the Shandong province (which had been occupied by the Germans during WWI) to Japan, instead of returning it to China (even when China was part of the Allies during WWI). In the end, Dr. Sun died without ever realising a unified China under democracy. But then Mao Zedong came along, and he accomplished what the ROC could not, and reunifed China under communism, proclaiming the People's Republic of China 🇨🇳 in 1949 and Tibet was finally returned back to China in 1951. If not for Chairman Mao, China today would still be weak and divided country, fighting among ourselves, instead of the strong unified country we are today. Who's going to believe your claims that China was economic powerhouse before the Communists came to power in 1949 under Chairman Mao? Westerners looked down on China before 1949, nobody expected China to succeed under the Communists, yet look at where China is today and how far China has progressed under the leadership of the Communist Party of China.
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  22311.  @urdude67  Since you brought up the different time periods, then you should know that about 150 years ago, the United States copied much of United Kingdom's IP. Charles Dickens visited Boston in 1842 and when he stepped off the boat, he found the city's bookstores rife with pirated copies of his novels, along with those of his countrymen, so much that he made scathing lectures decrying the practice. for most of the 19th century the United States remained an outlaw in the world of international copyright. The nation's publishers merrily pirated books without permission, and without paying the authors or original publishers a dime. In one industry after another, 19th-century American producers churned out counterfeit products in remarkable quantities, slapping fake labels on locally made knockoffs of foreign ales, wines, gloves, and thread. As one expose at the time put it: "We have 'Paris hats' made in New York, 'London Gin' and 'London Porter' that never was in a ship's hold, 'Superfine French paper' made in Massachusetts." Americans also displayed a particular talent for counterfeiting currency. This was a time when individual banks, not the federal government, supplied the nation's paper money in a bewildering variety of so-called "bank notes." Counterfeiters flourished to the point that in 1862 one British writer, after counting close to 6,000 different species of counterfeit or fraudulent bills in circulation, could reasonably assure his readers that "in America, counterfeiting has long been practiced on a scale which to many will appear incredible." (The above paragrahs were excerpts from The Boston Globe article entitled: A nation of outlaws: A century ago, that wasn't China -- it was us) It just goes to show that there's a period of time when countries copied from one another, and that includes what the USA did to UK. But eventually countries developed IP protection laws as a way to deal with this.
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  22313.  @urdude67  I do firmly believe that capitalism is the root cause of the world's current problems, and I also believe China's leadership thinks the same way. Capitalism favors monopolies, just look at American monopolies like Apple, Google, Facebook and Amazon dominating their respective industries, having either eliminated or bought out the competition from smaller American firms, possibly even stifling innovation through competition. The Chinese government is aware of this, that's why they've implemented an anti-monopoly law, cracking down on anti-competitive practices on Chinese big tech firms like Alibaba, Tencent, Didi, and so on. This helps "free up space" in the market for smaller Chinese firms to emerge and compete. Innovation through competition can also take place, and in a sense, the crackdown against big tech while promoting smaller tech firms helps redistribute the wealth in society, whereas in the United States, much of the wealth remains concentrated in the rich 1%. In other words, in China, the Chinese government controls the state-owned corporations for China's benefit, reining in the corporations when they gone too far. Whereas in the United States, the rich U.S corporations control the U.S government for war and profit at the expense of ordinary Americans. You said: "From what little I have seen, Chinese leadership are like a new aristocracy, out to enrich their families." Could you perhaps list some specific examples? From what I understand, President Xi Jinping has one of the world's lowest salaries for a world leader, around $22,000 a year. In fact, all members of China's Politburo Standing Committee will now earn the same base salary.
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  22314.  @urdude67  You said: "I think the ultimate flaw in communism is that it is totally wrong about human nature. Have you ever shared a kitchen with other people at work or in an apartment?" I could also say the same about capitalism what you did with communism. As for sharing a kitchen, many kitchen workers still do that in today's capitalistic society, just stroll into any fast-food restaurant. Furthermore, the worker's kitchen is not their own, because capitalism means that private owners control the means of production. This means that kitchen workers do not own their workplace, they merely work in it for a salary paid by some private owner, and they don't get to decide what to produce, who to produce to, what to do with the profits, and so on. Those decisions are made by the private owner, keeping the vast majority of profits for himself. If the kitchen was instead, a big corporation, than the private owner would be the board of directors that make all the decisions for the company, instead of the workers. Communism means that workers (the proletariat) control the means of production. That means the kitchen workers own their workplace. The workers make all the decisions, what to produce, who to produce to and what to do with the profits. They wouldn't give away their hard earned profits to some private owner now would they? Mostly likely, those important decisions would be put to a vote. And there actually exists these sort of "companies" where the workers themselves self-manage and these are known as worker cooperatives.
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  22330.  @juanmakun7271  So what do people in Taiwan island, USA and other countries base their predictions of Xi's intentions of? We do know however that there is currently no buildup of PLA troops at the Taiwan Strait (unlike Russia's buildup in its border with Ukraine) so there is no evidence to suggest an impending attack on Taiwan by President Xi. In fact, Xi has publicly vowed for the peaceful reunification with Taiwan, as he's consistently stated. Also if you go and read Taiwan's own constitution, it states that Taiwan is part of China, and since there hasn't been any amendments to Taiwan's constitution, that means Taiwan is part of China under their own constitution. Even the United States recognize Taiwan is part of China ever since the 1972 Shanghai Communique. On February 28, we celebrate the 45th anniversary of the Shanghai Communique. The 1972 agreement, brokered by Secretary of State Henry Kissinger and Chinese Premier Zhou Enlai, ended 23 years of diplomatic estrangement between the United States and China, and laid the foundation for a peaceful and prosperous Asia. ... The Communique was based on America’s acknowledgement that Chinese on both sides of the Taiwan Strait agree there is one China, that Taiwan is a part of China, and that the United States does not challenge that position. ... (Taken from The Diplomat: The Shanghai Communique: An American Foreign Policy Success, 45 Years Later) Also North Korean and South Korea were historically a single unified country Korea, under the Joseon Dynasty, until the Japanese invade and occupied Korea for 35 years. After Japanese WWII surrender, Korea was (needlessly) divided into North Korea (Soviet Union) and South Korea (United States). North Korea wanted to end this humiliating division of Korea and they almost succeeded (90% unified) until the US choose to declare war against North Korea and intervene in this internal Civil War in Korea, and the U.S pushed the North Koreans pass the 38th Parallel (Line of Division) and into actual North Korean territory, right up to China's doorstep (near Liaoning province) so China had no choice but to join North Korea and push the U.S forces back.
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  22335.  @davidkusanagi589  I often heard this same old stake excuse being toted around by people, claiming "I'm not anti-China, I'm just anti-CPC" to defend themselves and justify their anti-China stance. But the matter of fact is that studies have shown that majority of the people of China support the Communist Party of China. Previously, China was once a dirt-poor, war-torn, starving country in the past. Over 70 years ago, literally nobody thought "communist" China would succeed, or grow powerful and play a role in global politics. Yet fast forward till today and look at how far China has come under the Communist Party of China. China has since transformed into world's 2nd largest economy, the world's factory (Made in China) having world's 2nd highest R&D spending, protected by world's largest land army, the People's Liberation Army, funded by world's 2nd highest military expenditure and China today has strong global presence as well as being an influential player of world politics. And it's all been achieved under the leadership of the Communist Party of China, despite Western anti-Communist propaganda constantly denouncing China's success all along. China's political system has shown to be viable for our country (and extremely successful to boot) yet people like you openly advocate for Chinese people to overthrow our government? Also, why are you changing the point? Earlier you specifically singled out the Cultural Revolution (1966-1976) where allegedly hundreds of millions of Chinese were killed, now why are you suddenly moving the goalpost to encompass the Chinese Civil War (1927-1949) and the One Child Policy (1980-2015)? I've shown that China's population actually increased from 1965-1975 by 202 million, yet you're claiming that during the Cultural Revolution (1966-1976) that at least 100s of millions of people were killed? China's population actually grew during the Cultural Revolution, so where's your evidence that hundreds of millions of people were killed during the Cultural Revolution? When China's population actually grew by 200 million from 1965-1975?
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  22373.  @surp99  "There is a good amount of Chinese who are mostly older that are supportive of the CCP. While the young generation are usually distateful of the CCP." According to a long term Harvard University and Ash Center study, it has been revealed that around 80-90% of Chinese citizens support the Communist Party of China. A Harvard University survey has found that Chinese citizens' satisfaction with government has increased virtually across the board, with the central authorities receiving the strongest level of approval, increasing from 86 percent to 93 percent between 2003 and 2016, the period of the study. "Still, most of the Malaysian Singaporean chinese don't really like mainlander Chinese not because of the CCP but cause of behaviour." I have met some Singaporean Chinese tourist before and they used to exhibit bad behavior, such as complaining about delays and looking down on Chinese mainlanders as inferior. But obviously not all of them behave like that. "I mean you mentioned that the social credit system is used in China to make sure people are behaving properly and a lot of media in China keeps blabbering about it as some sort of wizardly magical potion that makes wonders but clearly it's not working properly." The Social Credit System is certainly not a cure-all, if that's what you're saying, but it has certainly helped by making sure socially irresponsible Chinese are barred from purchasing plane tickets and making a nuisance of themselves overseas. This is one possible solution to the problem, but education remains of utmost importance.
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  22374.  @surp99  You said: "I thought they were working class citizens from China but apparently they were from a prestigious university in China." What's the name of this prestigious university in China that those Chinese tourists are from? "While Singapore/Malaysia is open to cultural influences from the East and the West, its Chinese culture is unlike that of China. The three countries do not mirror each other culturally and China’s ability to transplant the Singapore/Malaysian experience is therefore not predicated on cultural elements." I disagree. I've seen some examples of Singapore/Malaysia Chinese tourist who exhibit bad behavior before, such as complaining about delays, stealing hotel soap and shampoo, taking away food from the buffet counter, and other unsavory behavior. I am aware mainland Chinese tourists also exhibit such behavior, this is typical of tourists from a poor starving country (like Singapore was in the past) but with development comes better tourist behaviors. "Most Mainland Chinese feel that the overseas Chinese community are merely “separated” from their China motherland. They believe the overseas Chinese continue to feel for China and have an urge to return, that these are “emigrants” who harbour a longing for home." This viewpoint is not only shared by some mainland Chinese, but even some of the indigenous people of Malaysia feel the same why. I mean, just look at former Malaysian PM Tun Dr Mahathir Mohamad, he remarked that Chinese Malaysian eat with chopsticks, not with their hands like the "Malaysian way". This is the gist of what Dr Mahathir said: "The Chinese eat with chopsticks, they don’t eat with their hands. They have not adopted the Malaysian way of eating food. They retained the chopstick, which is an identity from China, not Malaysia, and many other things" - Former Malaysian PM Tun Dr Mahathir Mohamad. I mean, lets get this straight, China does not force the Chinese in Malaysia/Singapore to follow Chinese culture, they choose to do so of their own accord, then how can you blame Chinese mainlanders for having this view?
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  22376.  @surp99  "Hell, do you honestly think most of the Chinese citizen supports the government" Why is it inconceivable to you that majority of Chinese citizens support the government in China? Previously, China was once a dirt-poor, war-torn, starving country in the past, but fast forward till today and China has since transformed into the world's 2nd largest economy, the world's factory (Made-in-China) having world's 2nd largest R&D spending, protected by world's largest land army, the People's Liberation Army, funded by the world's 2nd largest military spending. And it's all been achieved under communist party leadership, despite Western anti-communist propaganda constantly denouncing China's success all along. As long as the CPC is able to deliver economic growth for China, why is it unfathomable to you that majority of the people of China support the CPC? "especially with the case of Peng Shuai. Since she said that the sexual assault wasn't true, isn't that defamation or false accusation? That's a serious crime right there. But I don't see any punishment of any sort going her way? Why is that?" I read Peng Shuai's original post (you can find the translated version on Reddit) and she has had a rocky, on-and-off relationship with a much older man, an affair that spanned several years, and while she was emotional in her post, I do not see any allegations of sexual assault, so what punishment is there to mete out to Peng Shuai? ... Also, since you brought up your experience with those Chinese tourists who were from a prestigious university in China, then what's the name of this university in China? I should be able to know the university you are referring to, if it is prestigious.
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  22377.  @surp99  "神州 Shenzhou this was a long time ago so around mid 2019 and it had a like red whitish logo that looks like a tree or somethin but either it's Peking" Where was this logo located? Is it possible that some people just acquired Peking University branded clothing but not that they'd actually been to Peking University itself? "I doubt you or I will find anything as this was an isolated incident and not really mentioned in the media anyways." If you claim it's an isolated incident, then there's no way to verify whether your story is the truth. It's just anecdotal evidence after all. The thing is that from my experience, I find many overseas Chinese from Malaysia and Singapore tend to (generally) look down on Chinese mainlanders. But Singapore and Malaysia Chinese were once poor immigrants themselves, they worked hard to succeed, but when Chinese mainlander does the same, they still look down on us. "The thing I don't understand is why Peng Shuai isn't punished. Even if she didn't specify she wasn't sexualy assaulted, she clearly posted that as an ulterior motive to make him look bad." Maybe she was already secretly punished behind the scenes. Maybe she realized her mistake and took down the post, and she made a private apology of some sort. Whatever it is, to me this is their own internal affair, it's not my place (or any third party) to tell them how to resolve this issue. The problem arises when the 2022 Beijing Olympics is just round the corner, and the WTA is trying to policitise the issue in order to possibly get more countries to consider boycotting the Olympics in Beijing. "I don't even know how she manages to act like nothing is going on." Right now, I think Peng Shuai is emotional after her outburst through her post, and frankly speaking, she should take some time off to sort out her personal affairs, lay low for a while until this all eventually blows over. Sports is important yes, but mental health and well-being is more important for her.
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  22443.  @buckygoldstein9256  You said: "Taiwan never promised to retake the mainland, that was Chiang Kai-shek's Promise. That promise died along with Chiang, or at least by 1988 when Lee Teng-hui became president." Taiwan has never amended its constitution to reflect that. According to Republic of China's constitution, Taiwan still claims all of mainland China (including Xinjiang, Tibet, Manchuria, Inner Mongolia, etc) as part of their territory, including territory currently under the control of Mongolia, Myanmar, Bhutan, India, Japan, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Russia and Tajikistan. Wikipedia has a Map that Taiwan still claims all of mainland China as part of their territory. Source: Wikipedia:File:ROC Administrative and Claims You said: "However Taiwan has surpassed the PRC in technology." Are you certain? Let's take supercomputers for example, and China is home to one of top 10 world's fastest supercomputers, the Sunway TaihuLight (神威·太湖之光) which was considered the world's fastest supercomputer in 2016. In the TOP500 fastest supercomputers, China ranks top in the world with 173 supercomputers, compared to U.S at number two with 149 supercomputers. Distribution of supercomputers in the TOP500 list by country (as of November 2021) 1. China (173) 2. United States (149) 3. Japan (32) 4. Germany (26) 5. France (19) 6. Canada (11) 7. United Kingdom (11) 8. South Korea (7) 9. Russia (7) 10. Italy (6) ... Source: TOP500 But where are the supercomputers from Taiwan as compared to mainland China?
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  22464.  @buckygoldstein9256  "神州 Shenzhou Technology increases worker production which reduces the number of workers needed to produce the same amount." China is investing heavily into robotics and automation and already, China is the world's largest market for automation. The Port of Qingdao is Asia's first automated container terminal, that makes use of driveless trucks to ferry containers as well as automated cranes to load and unload ships. The automated port can even operate 24 hours, even at night in complete darkness (saving on lighting bill) You said: "Congress has just provided a lot of money to develop semiconductor foundries here in the US." Yes, because once the U.S is able to fabricate chips domestically, they will no longer see a need to rely on chips from Taiwan, which means the island is of no further use to the United States, and decreases the possibility that the U.S will send troops to defend Taiwan in case of an attack. You said: "many Chinese companies have business sites in the US. Do they hire US workers or are they too expensive?" Could you name some of these Chinese companies in the U.S? And are they manufacturing in the United States or in China before being shipped over? You said: "As for manufacturing that isn't worth the cost of US labor, India Vietnam and countries in South America will be glad to do so." How will India and Vietnam ship over their finished goods all the way to the United States if the port infrastructure just isn't as good as China's? Like I said, China is home to many of the world's busiest ports. List of busiest container ports in 2020 1. Shanghai (China): 43,500 TEUs 2. Singapore (Singapore): 36,000 TEUs 3. Ningbo-Zhoushan (China): 8,720 TEUs 4. Shenzhen (China): 26,550 TEUs 5. Guangzhou (China): 23,190 TEUs 6. Qingdao (China): 22,000 TEUs 7. Busan (South Korea): 21,590 TEUs 8. Hong Kong (China): 20,070 TEUs 9. Tianjin (China): 18,350 TEUs 10 Los Angeles (United States): 17,310 TEUs ... Source: Wikipedia:List of busiest container ports
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  22494. +eathenbad What about Japan being aggressive for many centuries? Japan invaded Korea and China during Ming dynasty in 1592 under Toyotomi Hideyoshi with the intent of conquering the Korean Peninsula and China. Ming dynasty even dispatched Chinese troops to Korea to help aid in repelling the invaders. Next, Japan invaded China again during 1st Sino-Japanese war in 1894 resulting in Korea being occupied for 50 years. Lastly, Japan also invaded China during 2nd Sino-Japanese war in 1931, 8 years before Nazi Germany invaded Poland at start of WW2. So whose to say Japan won't invade China again in the future, following this historical trend? China has all the resources Japan never had, which was why they keep on invading China time and time again, no matter what time period. So who can also say whether Italy and Germany will become aggressive again in future? Italy was expansionist during Rome and also allies with Germany during WW2, and Germany fought in both WW1 and WW2, so following this historical trend, who knows if Germany may become aggressive in future too as well? I have provided many historical sources to support my claims, but all you do is make predictions without drawing upon any sources at all, so what makes you think your prediction about China is correct? China been peaceful, even when Ming dynasty had the opportunity to colonize during Zheng He's voyages, so again how is my statement or opinion so wrong in your eyes? Chinese people are still the same Chinese people today, as we were centuries ago.
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  22503.  @emberfist8347  "神州 Shenzhou The Chinese Civil War began in 1927 so China didn't have war for at least a decade until Communism was popular." The Communist Party of China was founded in 1921 with only 50 members, but fast forward to today, and the CPC has survived for 100 years, and is among the world's largest political parties whose ranks have swelled to a membership of over 90 million (about the population size of Germany). And again, could you explain how were the Communists the reason why China is so war-torn? You said: "Also you can't say definitely China wouldn't be unified if it wasn't for Mao as that is a lie. Taiwan isn't part of the PRC and Hong Kong wasn't part of China during his tenure." Well, why did the Republic of China 🇹🇼 lose the mainland to People's Republic of China 🇨🇳 and had to flee to Formosa (Taiwan)? During the Chinese Civil War, the Nationalist KMT had massive wealth (they taxed peasants heavily) they had superior weapons and superior numbers over the communists, yet despite all these initial advantages, the KMT still lost the mainland to a bunch of dirt-poor, heavily-outnumbered, ill-equiped, starving communist peasants and had to flee to Taiwan. If anything, this demonstrates the KMT's gross incompetence in their right to rule the mainland, while cementing the communists' right to rule the mainland. As for Taiwan and Hong Kong, it's because the mainland was unified under Mao, that Taiwan and Hong Kong remain part of China. If you go and read Taiwan's constitution, it says that Taiwan is part of China under their own constitution. Since there hasn't been any amendments to Taiwan's constitution, then by default, Taiwan is part of China under their own constitution. As for Hong Kong's 1997, Chairman Mao reunifying mainland China is what made China powerful enough so that Britain had to return Hong Kong back to mainland China in 1997. Had Mao failed to reunify China, the British won't have returned Hong Kong back to.. whatever was in place of China at that time.
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  22509.  @TimPortantno  About "might makes right," Chairman Mao Zedong once said that "Political power grows out of the barrel of a gun" (枪杆子里面出政权). Back when Dr Sun Yatsen overthrew the previous Qing Dynasty China and established "democratic" Republic of China 🇹🇼 (1912-1949) China was divided into several areas, we lost control of Tibet, and various warlords ruled different parts of China and even Japan invaded China twice during this weak period of Chinese history. Dr. Sun tried to get help from the Western powers, but they laughed at the thought of China copying their democracy. They even gave away the Shandong province (which had been occupied by the Germans during WWI) to Japan, instead of returning it to China (even when China was part of the Allies during WWI). In the end, Dr. Sun died without ever realising a unified China under democracy. But then Mao Zedong came along, and he accomplished what the ROC could not, and reunifed China under communism, proclaiming the People's Republic of China 🇨🇳 in 1949 and Tibet was finally returned back to China in 1951. If not for Chairman Mao Zedong, China today would still be weak and divided country, fighting among ourselves, instead of the strong unified country we are today. So where China is concerned, our political system has shown to be viable for our country (and extremely successful to boot) then what's wrong with the concept that "might makes right", when it works for China? Not all countries have to adopt Western brand of democracy to be successful and China is living proof of this.
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  22547.  @宋庆-i4m  Do you understand the difference between "moving the goalpost" and "changing the topic"? Moving the goal post means changing the parameters of your original question. Like how after I have answered your previous question of "Can I get married in China if I am Gay?", I answered yes you can get married to a woman, even if you are a gay man, since that's the normal definition of marriage. You then move the goal post to "Can you marry the person of the same sex as you in China?" and I answered yes, as long as you get married in Taipei. That's what it means to move the goal post. Changing the topic is when you change the topic altogether, like when you wanted to discuss Taipei and a different topic altogether. You said: "now you acknowledge that you can't based that Taiwan is part of the PRC based on an invalid constitution." What invalid constitution? I never said that the People's Republic of China 🇨🇳 constitution is invalid, and PRC's constitution does state that Taiwan is an inalienable part of China. However, earlier you did say that the Republic of China 🇹🇼 constitution is invalid. You said: "So now Taiwan is now part of the PRC now since the the 1992 consensus?" In the 1992 consensus, both ROC and PRC agree that there is only One China, and that Taiwan is a part of China. Not only that, even major countries like the United States recognize Taiwan as part of China, since the 1972 Shanghai Communique. According to an 2017 article in The Diplomat: The Shanghai Communique: An American Foreign Policy Success, 45 Years Later On February 28, we celebrate the 45th anniversary of the Shanghai Communique. The 1972 agreement, brokered by Secretary of State Henry Kissinger and Chinese Premier Zhou Enlai, ended 23 years of diplomatic estrangement between the United States and China, and laid the foundation for a peaceful and prosperous Asia. The Vietnam War was still raging when the Communique was signed but there has been no major war in the Asia-Pacific since that time. The Communique was based on America’s acknowledgement that Chinese on both sides of the Taiwan Strait agree there is one China, that Taiwan is a part of China, and that the United States does not challenge that position.
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  22560. Gotham1984 There have only been 100 or so Tibetans self-immolating themselves since 2009. Why don't you look at India, where as many as 1,451 and 1,584 self-immolations have been reported in 2000 and 2001, respectively? You mean because 100 Tibetans self-immolate, then entire population of 3,000,000 people in Tibet, must give in to their demands? What makes you think Uighur Muslims aren't allowed to have beards? Here is a video about a Canadian guy (The Food Ranger) visiting Kashgar in Xinjiang and you can see many of the Uighur men sporting beards. Video:Muslim Street Food in China youtube.com/watch?v=c1x19gySa-s Falun Gong was only formed in 1994 (25 years ago) by Li Hongzhi, who was a charismatic figure that led people to believe he was a god and could cure cancer. His followers who had early stage cancer, refused to seek actual medical treatment and instead donated their savings to him, in hopes of curing their disease. Its more like a cult than an actual religion. It hijacked existing practices from Qigong, Taoism and Buddhist philosophies and then claims to be a religion when all those other practices have thousands of years of history, compared to Falun Gong's 25 years. Rohingya Crisis is because of Myanmar/Burma government, yet you want to pin the blame on China? And China is only doing business in those countries. In world of business, not all business transactions will result in profit, but the point remains that nobody force those countries to do business with China if they don't want to. They can always choose to break off business with China, and nobody going to stop them. China has built much infrastructure in countries like Pakistan, Kazakhstan, other -stan countries, Sri Lanka, Nepal, Bangladesh, Maldives, and also in African countries like Kenya, Angola, Djibouti, Nigeria, etc. And China is not at war other countries currently, like what USA is doing in Middle East. Why not USA spend money investing in Middle East, instead of waging war?
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  22589.  @CHINESE_PRIDE  "If CCP continus to strain relations, China is guaranteed to collapse." Western journalists have long been predicting China's economic downfall. Here's a list: 1990. The Economist: China's economy has come to a halt. 1996. The Economist: China's economy will face hard landing. 1998. The Economist: China's economy entering a dangerous period of sluggish growth. 1999. Bank of Canada: Likelihood of a hard landing for the Chinese economy. 2000. Chicago Tribune: China currency move nails hard landing risk coffin. 2001. Wilbanks, Smith & Thomas: A hard landing in China. 2002. Westchester University: China Anxiously Seeks A Soft Economic landing. 2003. KWR International: How to find a soft landing if China.. 2004. The Economist: The great fall of China? 2005. Nouriel Roubini: The Risk of a Hard Landing in China. 2006. International Economy: Can China Achieve a Soft Landing? 2007. TIME: Is China's Economy Overheating? Can China avoid a hard landing? 2008. Forbes: Hard Landing in China? 2009. Fortune: China's hard landing. China must find a way to recover. 2010. Nouriel Roubini: Hard landing coming in China. 2011. Business Insider: A Chinese Hard Landing May Be Closer Than You Think. 2012. American Interest: Dismal Economic News from China: A Hard Landing. 2013. Zero Hedge: A Hard Landing in China. 2014. CNBC: A hard landing in China. 2015. Forbes: Congratulations, You got Yourself A Chinese Hard Landing.... 2016. The Economist: Hard Landing looms for China. 2017. National Interest: Is China's Economy Going To Crash? 2018. The Daily Reckoning: China's Coming Financial Meltdown. 2019. Zero Hedge: Seven Reasons Why China Is Facing A Hard Landing In 2019 2020. Forbes: Remember The China 'Hard Landing'? We Got One. ... But its already 2022, and China's economy is still going strong. So why continue to believe China's economy will fall, given that Western journalist predictions about China's collapse been proven consistently wrong for 30 years already?
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  22663.  @truthseekerodinson5094  "But if you were faced with the choice of Soviet-level economics combined with forced censorship OR western-like economic growth and freedom of speech, well it's an easy choice." Since you brought up Soviet-level economics, then Ukraine was arguably at it's most prosperous while part of the Soviet Union. In 1946, the Soviet Union introduced the Fourth Five-Year Plan which would prove to be a remarkable success, and can be likened to the "wonders of West German and Japanese reconstruction", but without foreign capital; the Soviet reconstruction is historically an impressive achievement. In the prewar years, 15.9% of the Soviet budget went to Ukraine, in 1950, during the Fourth Five-Year Plan this had increased to 19.3%. The Ukraine workforce had increased from 1.2 million in 1945 to 2.9 million in 1955; an increase of 33.2% over the 1940-level. The result of this remarkable growth was that by 1955, Ukraine was producing 2.2 times more than in 1940, and the republic had become one of the leading producers of certain commodities in Europe. Ukraine was the largest per-capita producer in Europe of pig iron and sugar, and the second-largest per-capita producer of steel and of iron ore, and was the third largest per-capita producer of coal in Europe. All achieved while Ukraine was part of the USSR. But fast forward till today, and Ukraine is arguably the poorest country in Europe after they left the Soviet Union. So the choice is easy, Ukraine should have stuck with the Soviet Union.
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  22680.  @stephenguy3901  "神州 Shenzhou USA and Australia have options..." That's what I'm asking you, what is the "unspecified action" that the U.S (and Australia) is going to take? Remember the U.S and Australia's involvement in the Afghan War? What makes you think U.S and Australia won't repeat that with the Solomon Islands? "Anyone with sense knows conflict existed in the Donbas region , inflamed by Russian separatists living within Ukraine borders ." Those are Ukrainian citizens who happen to be ethnically Russian and Ukrainian ultra-nationalist neo-Nazis like the Azov Battalion have been shelling civilians in Donbas. According to UN figures, from 2018 to 2021, 81.4% of civilian casualties in the Donbas war came in rebel-held territory. "You called the Zelenski government a US puppet government.." Because Zelenskyy doesn't care about ordinary Ukrainians, he refuses to surrender because Washington want's this conflict to go on for as long as possible. By arming civilians with rifles, he's trying to maximize the number of civilian causalities in Ukraine. "Yes I agree with you Freedom House regards Ukraine as a hybrid democracy " That's hybrid regime, not hybrid democracy, why are you changing the words? "and your reluctance to deny Russia is authoritarian shows you agree with me that Russia has a worse government than Ukraine" How does that make sense? Russia's government actually improved the lives of its civilians, whereas Ukraine is ranked among the poorest countries in Europe for crying out loud. ".... well they have started a war have you not noticed ." But you just admit that the conflict had been ongoing in Donbas for 8 years prior, so how could Russia start something that had been ongoing since 2014? "You can link to socialist websites however..." Even UK news Independent article has the title: US threatens military action if China sets up Solomon Islands base: ‘Would very naturally respond" "Have a think about this , the vast majority of the world is with Ukraine and condemns Putin" China and India are the world's 2 most populous countries, and together with few other countries, we make up more than 50% of the world's population, who either abstained or did not vote against Russia in the United Nations. How can you claim the vast majority of the world is with Ukraine and condemns Putin then?
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  22689.  @Y0U54F786  Firstly, we are talking about Islam many years ago, and Islamic invaders forced the natives of lands they converted to Islam. Muslims are told to fight unbelievers until they are either dead, converted to Islam, or in a permanent state of subjugation under Muslim domination. Allowing people of other faiths to live and worship independently of Islamic rule is not an option. Source: https://www.thereligionofpeace.com/pages/quran/forced-conversion.aspx Quran (8:38-39) - “Say to those who have disbelieved, if they cease (from disbelief) their past will be forgiven... And fight them until there is no more Fitnah (disbelief and polytheism: i.e. worshipping others besides Allah) and the religion (worship) will all be for Allah Alone [in the whole of the world ]. But if they cease (worshipping others besides Allah), then certainly, Allah is All-Seer of what they do.” Quran (9:29) - "Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued." Quran (9:5) "But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the Pagans wherever ye find them, and seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war); but if they repent, and establish regular prayers and practice regular charity, then open the way for them..."
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  22705.  @vipulsrivastava1856  In the field of Architecture, Medical and Astrophysics, everyone heard of the famous Great Wall of China built by Chinese architects. Chinese architecture has influenced the architectural styles of Japan, Korea, Vietnam, etc and the distinctive "curved roof" style of Chinese temples, pavilions and pagodas is iconic of Asian architecture. Video: Great Wall of China: Jinshanling to Simatai in 4K (Ultra HD) youtu.be/OEbZ5Y-sxAo The Forbidden City in Beijing is an excellent demonstration of Chinese architecture, and was the seat of the Imperial Emperor from the Ming Dynasty. The Forbidden City is the largest palace in the world as well as the most visited palace, surpassing even Western palaces by sheer volume of visitors. Video: Forbidden City, Beijing, China in 4K (Ultra HD) youtu.be/R9vcSWb6mug Video: Forbidden City From Above - The Largest Palace in the World youtu.be/6eGjDiO7Kzc About Chinese medical advancements, there's Traditional Chinese Medicine that is based on more than 3500 years of Chinese medical practice. Chinese acupuncture is also famous and been used for thousands of years to treat ailments. About Chinese astrophysics, Chinese astronomers kept detailed records of astronomical observations. For example, the supernova that created the Crab Nebula was first recorded by Chinese astronomers in 1054, but wasn't recorded by European astronomers. The world's first star catalogue was made by Gan De, a Chinese astronomer in the 4th century BC. Source: History of Astronomy wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_astronomy#China
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  22707.  @vipulsrivastava1856  About Chinese Architecture, the Forbidden City in Beijing is the most visited palace in the world, surpassing even the Western palaces by sheer volume of visitors at over 17 million. List of most visited palaces and monuments by City and Number of visitors 1. Forbidden City (China, 17,000,000+ visitors) 2. Palace of Versailes (France, 8,100,000 visitors) 3. Lincoln Memorial (USA, 7,804,683 visitors) 4. Coliseum (Italy, 7,650,519 visitors) 5. Parthenon (Greece, 7,200,000 visitors) ... Source: List of most visited palaces and monuments wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_most_visited_palaces_and_monuments#List Besides the Forbidden City, the Summer Palace (颐和园) in Beijing is famous for its Chinese architecture, Chinese gardens, lakes and was declared by UNESCO World Heritage as "a masterpiece of Chinese landscape garden design. The natural landscape of hills and open water is combined with artificial features such as pavilions, halls, palaces, temples and bridges to form a harmonious ensemble of outstanding aesthetic value". But don't take my word for it, here's some beautiful footage of the Summer Palace in Beijing. Video: Beautiful Summer Palace, Beijing youtu.be/dQHPb-NJCXk?t=140 Video: Summer Palace, Beijing, China in HD youtu.be/H8Ek76soHfY Besides the famous Great Wall of China, there's another marvel of Chinese engineering and architecture in the form of the Grand Canal (world's oldest and longest artificial river). Starting at Beijing, it passes through Tianjin and the provinces of Hebei, Shandong, Jiangsu and Zhejiang to the city of Hangzhou, linking the Yellow River and Yangtze River. Video: China's Grand Canal in foreigners Eyes youtu.be/Xr35Y0nKbzM
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  22711.  @vipulsrivastava1856  About Medical advances in China, ancient Chinese physicians invented the world's first inoculation for smallpox. The earliest hints of the practice of inoculation for smallpox in China come during the 10th century. The Chinese also practiced the oldest documented use of variolation, dating back to the fifteenth century. They implemented a method of "nasal insufflation" administered by blowing powdered smallpox material, usually scabs, up the nostrils. Various insufflation techniques have been recorded throughout the sixteenth and seventeenth centuries within China. Source: Vaccines wikipedia.org/wiki/Vaccine#History A Song dynasty (960–1279) chancellor of China, Wang Dan (957–1017), lost his eldest son to smallpox and sought a means to spare the rest of his family from the disease, so he summoned physicians, wise men, and magicians from all across the empire to convene at the capital in Kaifeng and share ideas on how to cure patients of it until a divine man from Mount Emei carried out inoculation. Source: Inoculation wikipedia.org/wiki/Inoculation#China The first clear and credible reference to smallpox inoculation in China comes from Wan Quan's (1499–1582) Douzhen Xinfa 《痘疹心法》 of 1549, which states that some women unexpectedly menstruate during the procedure, yet his text did not give details on techniques of inoculation.[4] Inoculation was first vividly described by Yu Chang in his book Yuyi cao 《寓意草》, or Notes on My Judgment, published in 1643. Inoculation was reportedly not widely practiced in China until the reign of the Longqing Emperor (r. 1567–1572) during the Ming dynasty (1368–1644), as written by Yu Tianchi in his Shadou Jijie 《痧痘集解》 of 1727, which he alleges was based on Wang Zhangren's Douzhen Jinjing Lu 《痘疹金鏡錄》 of 1579.
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  22712.  @vipulsrivastava1856  It is not confirmed that Bodhidarma is South Indian Monk. According to the principal Chinese sources, Bodhidharma came from the Western Regions which refers to Central Asia so there is a possibility that Bodhidarma is a "Persian Central Asian." The Western Regions was a historical name specified in the Chinese chronicles between the 3rd century BC to the 8th century AD that referred to the regions west of Yumen Pass, most often Central Asia or sometimes more specifically the easternmost portion of it (e.g. Altishahr or the Tarim Basin in southern Xinjiang). Source: Bodhidarma wikipedia.org/wiki/Bodhidharma#Principal_sources The earliest text mentioning Bodhidharma is The Record of the Buddhist Monasteries of Luoyang 《洛陽伽藍記》 (Luòyáng Qiélánjì) which was compiled in 547 by Yáng Xuànzhī (楊衒之), a writer and translator of Mahayana sutras into Chinese. Yang gave the following account: At that time there was a monk of the Western Region named Bodhidharma, a Persian Central Asian. And it was a Myth that Bodhidarma created Shaolin Kung-fu. Traditionally Bodhidharma is credited as founder of the martial arts at the Shaolin Temple. However, martial arts historians have shown this legend stems from a 17th-century qigong manual known as the Yijin Jing. The preface of this work says that Bodhidharma left behind the Yi Jin Jing, from which the monks obtained the fighting skills which made them gain some fame. Source: wikipedia.org/wiki/Bodhidharma#Principal_sources#Shaolin_boxing The authenticity of the Yi Jin Jing has been discredited by some historians including Tang Hao, Xu Zhen and Matsuda Ryuchi. According to Lin Boyuan, "This manuscript is full of errors, absurdities and fantastic claims; it cannot be taken as a legitimate source." The oldest available copy was published in 1827. The composition of the text itself has been dated to 1624. Even then, the association of Bodhidharma with martial arts only became widespread as a result of the 1904–1907 serialization of the novel The Travels of Lao Ts'an in Illustrated Fiction Magazine. According to Henning, the "story is clearly a twentieth-century invention," which "is confirmed by writings going back at least 250 years earlier, which mention both Bodhidharma and martial arts but make no connection between the two." So Bodhidarma did not teach Shaolin Monks Kung Fu, it was only because of 1900s Fiction Magazine that associated Kung-fu with Bodhidarma.
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  22727.  @thedaredevil1907  You said: "...freedom to practice your religion" About Religion in China, China has nearly 200 million religious believers and more than 380,000 clerical personnel. The 5 major religions practiced in China are Buddhism, Taoism, Islam, Catholicism, and Protestantism. China has over 20 million Muslims, more than 57,000 clerical personnel. There are around 222,000 Buddhist clerical personnel and over 40,000 Taoist clerical personnel. Catholicism and Protestantism have 6 million and 38 million followers in China, respectively, with 8,000 and 57,000 clerical personnel. There are approximately 5,500 religious groups in China, including seven national organizations which are Buddhist Association of China, Chinese Taoist Association, China Islamic Association, Chinese Catholic Patriotic Association, Bishops’ Conference of Catholic Church in China, National Committee of the Three-Self Patriotic Movement of the Protestant Churches in China, and China Christian Council. At present, there are about 144,000 places of worship registered for religious activities in China, among which are 33,500 Buddhist temples (including 28,000 Han Buddhist temples, 3,800 Tibetan Buddhist lamaseries, and 1,700 Theravada Buddhist temples), 9,000 Taoist temples, 35,000 Islamic mosques, 6,000 Catholic churches and places of assembly spread across 98 dioceses, and 60,000 Protestant churches and places of assembly. Source:nation.com.pk/03-Apr-2018/china-has-over-20-million-muslims-35-000-mosques
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  22775.  @peterhanssens7260  You said: "If you feel that having a Totalitarian governance model is right for China, then why are some many well educated and wealthy Chinese immigrating because they want a good quality education free of ideology and a system free of ideological overreach by the government ?" China has to host the world's largest population, so its possible that there are simply not enough resources, not enough schools, not enough jobs for everyone in China. With such a huge student population, *competition is extremely fierce*and intense for top schools and higher education here in China. Some students unable to apply for local universities, so they may choose to study abroad (especially if their parents have $$$) Some graduates unable to find work in China, so they seek employment opportunities abroad as well. That's why Western countries are positively flooded with Chinese international students, competing with local students in tests, exams, for university spots and even job offers when they graduate. If overseas Chinese can't find a job in the West, they are always welcome to come back to China (thus saving China the resources needed to train this student to university degree) and bringing foreign knowledge and technology to our shores. If overseas Chinese find a job in your country, they are depriving a Western graduate of a job, and if they rise to high position in corporate or government posts, then they might get approached by the communist party to be recruited as a spy in Western countries. Whichever way you look at it, China wins. …… You said: "Do you think it is a good idea to teach Xi's thoughts to children in elementary school when children at that age will not question and take things as a given ? Is it right to teach state sponsored propaganda to young innocent children ?" What's wrong with teaching our children President Xi Jinping Thought? Your Western democracies teach your children democratic doctrine, then what's wrong China teaching our children communist doctrine? Your Western democracies literally teach your children to worship democracy and demonized communism, than what's wrong with China teaching our children the ideals of communism?
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  22776.  @peterhanssens7260  You said: "If China uses vindication as a means to keep the Chinese people on side with the CCP's aspirations then is that not very biased and one sided and gives the Chinese population s preconceived notion of the Western Democracies ?" China is not against Westerners democracies' political system, in fact many Chinese used to admire Western democracies, although the recent emergence of Trump has shown how democracy can potentially fail catastrophically. What China is against is the actions of Western democracies like USA waging wars such Gulf War, Iraq War, Afghan War, Syrian War, Libyan War, Yemen War, etc, not against the ideology of democracy itself. Since USA's actions belie its warmongering tendencies, China needs to step back up our defense in the scenario the USA decides to wage war against China, much like USA did to much of the Middle East. China will not be caught unprepared like we were during the Opium Wars. …… You said: "According to Hitler the Jews were the scapegoats for Germany's problem. Is the West the scapegoat for China's ills or the containment of China ?" China is primary focused on fixing our problems (we have many) by lifting people out of poverty, building infrastructure, dealing with Covid-19, but what are Western democracies doing? USA is pointing their finger at China and scapegoating China for their catastrophic failure to handle the Covid-19 situation in their lands. And US Allies like Canada, Britain and Australia are jumping on the anti-China bandwagon, because all USA needs to say is "Jump!" and it's allies respond with "How high?" …… You said: "This could prove problematic because the idea of containment comes from China and not the West." Excuse me, but why could it prove problematic? Because it comes from China? China only has a handful of overseas bases, whereas USA has over 400-800 overseas military bases encircling China, in a seeming attempt to contain China's rise. Source: List of countries with overseas military bases wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_with_overseas_military_bases …… You said: "In the West we would want a China that plays by the rules of International Governance and Laws and be a honest broker, stops hostage diplomacy, respects other countries Sovereignty (Phillipines) and remembers that foreign investments in China by foreigners have greatly helped China grow." And China's goal is the eventual rejuvenation of the Chinese civilization. China clearly supports international organisations like World Health Organization, in dealing with the pandemic, it's countries like USA rejecting the WHO, that's against international organisations. China has also been commited to upholding the 2017 Paris Climate Accord unlike Trump who promised to bring coal power back to the USA. The sovereignty issue between China and the Phillipines is a bilateral (country to country) issue and doesn't involve Westerners democracies who aren't claimants to those territories. You said: "China must recognize that direct foreign investment has helped China increase it's standard of living predicated by investments and ideas from market economics." And similarly, Western countries must recognise that Made-in-China products is what help kept the cost of living in Western countries low, yet we have anti-China Westerners shouting "Boycott Chinese Goods!" You also boasted about innovation, market economy, competition, yet when Nortel lost the competition to Huawei, suddenly Huawei is to blame for Nortel losing? And Chinese mastered train technology and outcompeted Japanese train technology through a competitive market economy, yet you're suggesting Chinese industry as predatory and opportunistic? Why boast about free market, innovation and competition, when you yourself are unprepared to be on the losing side of competition?
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  22777.  @peterhanssens7260  You said: "What does Xi Jinping want to have the World show China deference and in the Asia Pacific it's China's way or the highway ? Is that the true way for a country with 5000 years of civilization to act ?" All China wants is the eventual rejuvenation of the Chinese civilization and be afforded the respect deserving of such a status. All in all, China's rise to power has been remarkably peaceful compared to Westerners' rise through brutal colonisation, genocide and occupation of territory even till today. The point is that the Western "Yellow Peril" mindset never died out. Since 19th century, Westerners have grown so accustomed to the notion of Western dominance, so much such that the very thought of a non-Western, non-liberal democratic country like China eventually surpassing the United States someday in the future, is simply too frightening for many Westerners to fathom. …… You said: "This is what I feel the West is concerned about, a vindictive China bend on revenge for being humiliated ? I feel that this is victimization and serves no purpose." Who caused the humiliation in the first place? And what's wrong with China seeking to restore Chinese national pride? If China can someday surpass the United States as the premier world superpower someday in the future, then can't Chinese strive to achieve this eventual goal of ours? And about victimisation and scapegoating, the USA is suffering from what's called "political stagnation" where there is ineffective leadership, hesitation, stalemate, and loss of American identity. American leaders are unable to provide social cohesion, an ideological programme, economic prosperity, morale, law and order, and progress. There is increased scapegoating (blaming China for America's woes) and victimisation (claiming USA is a victim of China) and so forth. It's no secret today that America is in decline and China is rising. But what do USA's allies like Canada and Australia have to gain by antagonising the apparent upcoming power China?
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  22780.  @peterhanssens7260  You said: "Respect the rulings of the International High Court in the Hague. It is the World Court predicated on the Law." What's this "International High Court in the Hague" are you talking about? The arbitral ruling was conducted by the Permanent Court of Arbitration (PCA) which is a non-UN agency it only shares the same office space in the Hague as the International Court of Justice (ICJ). Source: United Nations stresses separation from Hague tribunal scmp.com/news/china/diplomacy-defence/article/1989486/united-nations-stresses-separation-hague-tribunal The United Nations clarified on its Chinese microblog yesterday that the tribunal that ruled against China’s historic claims over the disputed South China Sea was not a UN agency. The Permanent Court of Arbitration rents space in the same building as the UN’s International Court of Justice, but the two organisations are not related. So why are you confusing the PCA with the ICJ when the two organisations are unrelated? The PCA doesn't have the same level of jurisdiction over sovereignty issues as there ICJ, so since the arbitral ruling was made by a non-UN agency, then China reserves the right not to adhere to PCA's ruling. …… You said: "Respect other countries Sovereignty and I point out here the Philippines, which also has a right to feed it's people (South China Sea) China has given the Philippines a very hard time and that is unfair to the Philippines, which doesn't have the economies of scale like China." Territorial sovereignty isn't determined by which country is bigger or smaller. China has to support the world's largest population, we have more people to feed than Philippines, so what's you argument here? You're just unreasonably biased against China that's all and take other countries side against China.
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  22781.  @peterhanssens7260  You said: "By the way, when President Xi meet President Obama at the White House in the fall of 2015, he said in a press conference, at the Rose Garden, that he wouldn't militarize the artificial islands in the South China Sea, he lied in front of the media." In 2015, Xi Jinping publicly said: "Relevant construction activities that China are undertaking in the Nansha (Spratly) Islands do not target or impact any country, and China does not intend to pursue militarization." so how exactly did President Xi lied? His words indicate that he did not guarantee any promise not to militarise the South China Sea. The fact that USA constant sends warships like destroyers and aircraft carrier strike groups halfway across the globe to South China Sea waters, is what drove China to deploy missiles to the South China Sea Islands, because USA doesn't respect Chinese territorial claims in the SCS. …… You said: "China is not a "near Polar Nation" and must respect those countries who are, including, my country Canada. China has no expertise in the Arctic and will not just go to the Arctic because it is interested in the Arctic and establish itself there just because it wants to. Canadians, were rather insulted when China had plans for the Arctic and declared itself " a near polar nation" , hello China you are not an Arctic Nation, China you can request to work in the Arctic only if the Arctic Nations say that it is ok to do so. Is that not fair ?" China is not a full Arctic nation like you said, but China is a near-Arctic state just like 12 other near-Arctic states on the Artic Council (Germany, Netherlands, Poland, United Kingdom, France, Spain, India, Italy, Japan, South Korea, Singapore, Switzerland). wikipedia.org/wiki/Arctic_Council In 1925, China signed the Spitsbergen Treaty allowing commercial activities in that region. In 1996, China joined the International Arctic Science Committee. In 2013, China became an observer on the Arctic Council. So far, China has been contributing to scientific research and study of arctic waters, lifeforms, etc, what's your problem with China conducting studies and science missions on the Arctic regions?
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  22782.  @peterhanssens7260  You said: "As a Canadian we lived next door to the United States sometimes this is not easy for us but let me be clear we are our own country with our own way of life and we have made clear to the United States that we will do what is in our own best interests." Then why did Canada arrest Huawei CFO Meng Wanzhou at the behest of the United States? A total of 111 countries have signed extradition treaties with the U.S., and dozens among them received extradition requests, but none of them followed through, except for Canada. From September to December 2018, Meng traveled to France, Britain, Ireland, Poland, Singapore, Japan and Belgium. All 7 countries have a bilateral agreement on extradition with the U.S, yet it was Canada who that accepted the U.S. extradition, this clearly shows that Canada is mixing politics with business here. Arresting Huawei CFO Meng Wanzhou is clearly not in Canada's best interests, so why did Canada do that? You accused China of hostage diplomacy, when Canada is the one who started this whole mess by arresting Meng Wanzhou even Meng did not break any Canadian laws while in Canada? …… You said: "As a Canadian I would want to see a China that doesn't want to remake either Asia into it's own image." China doesn't want to see our country remade into just another Western democracy, yet why are Westerners like you continually calling for China to abandon our political system and adopt Western brand of democracy? Western countries are the ones trying to remake China into a Western brand of democracy, yet you're accusing China of remaking Asia into its own image? For the record, China is literally the continent of Asia, why would China even need to remake Asia in our own image? China IS Asia, we are a big chunk of the Asian continent after all, much of Asian culture, festivals, traditional clothing, architecture comes from China itself. It's the Western "Yellow Peril" that's driving many Westerners fear of China. Since the 19th century, Westerners have grown accustomed to Western dominance, so much such that the very thought of a non-Western, non-liberal democratic country like China eventually surpassing the United States someday in the future, is simply too frightening for many Westerners to fathom.
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  22783.  @peterhanssens7260  You said: "The United States of America is not in decline that is a narrative being pushed by China and Russia through media on a ongoing basis." The United States is no longer the only uncontested superpower to dominate in every domain in every region of the world. According to the Asia Power Index 2020, within Asia, the United States still takes the lead on the military capacity, cultural influence, resilience and defense networks, but falls behind China in four parameters: economic resources, future resources, economic relationships, and diplomatic influence. Shrinking military advantages, deficit spending, geopolitical overreach, and a shift in moral, social, and behavioral conditions have been associated with American decline. Many economists believe China's economy is expected to surpass the United State's some time in the foreseeable future. The trajectories are pretty much set and as long as China is able to sustain growth, China is expected to surpass the United States someday in the future. As Canadians, shouldn't you work towards Canada's interests rather than stick with the sinking ship? What good does it do for Canada to antagonist the apparent upcoming superpower China? You keep saying Canada respects China, but how? When you keep siding against China? …… You said: "The world's reserve currency is still the US dollar and America is still very innovative and has a higher standard of living per capita income than China." Not for much longer, with the way the United States keeps on printing money and "weaponizing the Dollar" to preserve its global economic and geopolitical position. Just like how USA is using the transaction of US dollars by Huawei as an excuse to arrest Meng Wanzhou. China is offering an alternative reserve currency to the tyranny of the US Dollar. As China's economy grows, so too, does the Chinese Yuan gain recognition and on 2015, the International Monetary Fund announced that it awarded the Yuan status as a reserve currency. …… You said: "American Universities are still some of the best in the World and sought after by Chinese Mainland students." While this is true for now, overseas educated Chinese are slowly learning how Western universities operate and bringing that knowledge back to China. China has also been a top destination for international students and as of 2013, China was the most popular country in Asia for international students and ranked third overall among countries that host the most international students. Source: China ranks third among countries that host the most international students, Institute of International Educational reports usnews.com/education/best-global-universities/articles/2013/10/08/explore-the-worlds-top-universities
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  22785.  @peterhanssens7260  You said: "But for me, I think that China would be better off without Xi Jinping and replace him, with a moderate like Premier Lie Kajing." Canada would be better served without Justin Trudeu, he's just a lapdog for the USA, arresting Huawei CFO Meng Wanzhou on US orders, even though it brought absolutely no benefit to Canada's interests and started this whole mess. …… You said: "The Premier comes across as more truthful and less of an ego. Xi is too much of a hyper marxist leninist and in this day and age, that mindset is dated." About the whole Capitalism versus Communism debate, it's no secret today that Capitalism is killing the planet. Capitalism is the overproduction of goods in pursuit of profits, unnecessarily polluting the environment in the process, with the eventual goal being the complete depletion of the Earth's resources. Because our modern industries are just too efficient, we can theoretically produce enough food, goods, houses, schools, hospitals, for everyone on the planet. Yet we still have starvation, homelessness, illiteracy, people lacking access to healthcare, because under capitalism, the goods go to those who can afford it. Communism is the belief that every resource should be allocated according to needs. As the Marxist saying goes: "From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs." The Earth's resources are finite and while capitalism seeks to exhaust them, communism is dedicated to allocating resources according to needs.
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  22794.  @peterhanssens7260  Arresting Meng Wanzhou did not offer any strategic benefits to Canada's interests. Those 7 countries with extradition treaties with the USA that Meng visited, also do business with USA, yet they did not accept the US extradition request and USA did not retaliate against them in any form. Only Canada foolishly (admitted by you) accepted the extradition request, and what did USA do in gratitude? Nothing! Trump wanted to use Meng as a "bargaining chip" against China, meaning that they didn't care about the crime, if they were willing to let go, if they could get favorable terms in the economic deal with China. Yet Canada refused to consider this and just accepted US extradition like a lapdog. You boasted that Canada is not a lapdog of the US, but Canada's actions seem to indicate that you are. You bragged about Canada following the rule of law, then how can you just self-proclaim the 2 Canadians are innocent, completely voiding the rule of law? Based on their foundation? I can also make the same claim as you for Meng Wanzhou, that Meng did not break any Canadian laws while in Canada, and that Canadian border police violated Meng's rights. When the Canadian police arrested Meng, she wasn't given the opportunity to contact her lawyer for advice, she had her devices confiscated, unlocked, the contents viewed and searched illegally. Yet you bragged about Canada following the rule of law? That Canada is not a lapdog of the US? The USA is targeting Huawei in order to strike an economic blow against Huawei and wound Chinese national pride that's all, yet Canada can't see that?
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  22797.  @peterhanssens7260  You said: "If you take out a mortgage you have a contractual obligation with the bank." What mortgage did Canada took out from the USA? Those 7 countries that Meng visited all have so-called "mortgages" with the USA, yet they did not accept the US extradition request and USA did not punish them in retaliation. Only Canada foolishly did, yet you bragged Canada is not a US lapdog? How? Canada's actions don't match your words. You believe that Donald Trump is a fool, then why did Trudeu follow along with the US extradition request, when he could have rejected it like those 7 other countries that Meng visited? The USA elected a fool for president, yet Canadian PM just adhere to the US extradition request? You want to show that Canada is not the US lapdog, then prove it through actions not words. Because Canada's so far, indicates that it's a lapdog, they're doing things for US's interests, not Canada's interest. You said Trump has no filter, that implies he's speaking the truth when he wanted to use Meng Wanzhou as a "bargaining chip" that means USA doesn't really care about the fabricated crime, they just want to strong arm China to get a better trade deal with our country that's all. And they used Canada to take all the blame, and offer no rescue to Canada, that's how you know Canada is merely a tool in US eyes. You want to prove Canada is not a lapdog, prove it through actual actions, not words. Lastly, you bragged about Canada following the rule of law, then why are you skipping the whole process and self-proclaiming the innocence of the 2 Canadians, when the verdict isn't out yet? You can't just proclaim people are innocent because they work in promoting relations or speak Mandarin fluently, what sort of evidence is speaking Mandarin fluently proof of someone's innocence? By your own logic, Meng Wanzhou is innocent because she speaks Mandarin fluently. Why detain Meng when she did not break any Canadian laws while in Canada? Meng herself wasn't even informed about what alleged crime she commited the Canadian border police just arrest her since 2018 and only in 2020-2021 (2-3 years later) is her court hearing finally happening.
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  22845.  @115islandscompass6  In 1956 North Vietnam formally accepted that the Paracel and Spratly islands were historically Chinese. About the same time, the PLA 🇨🇳 reestablished a Chinese garrison on Yongxing Island in the Paracels, while the Republic of China 🇹🇼 (Taipei) put troops back on Taiping Island in the Spratlys. But, that same year, South Vietnam reopened the abandoned French camp on Shanhu Island and announced that it had annexed the Paracel archipelago as well as the Spratlys. In 1974 South Vietnam attempted to enforce its claims to sovereignty by placing settlers in the Spratlys and expelling Chinese fishermen from the southwestern Paracels. In the ensuing naval battle at Shanhu Island, China defeated Vietnamese forces. This enabled Beijing to extend its control to the entire Paracel archipelago, where it has not been effectively challenged since. Five years later, Hanoi (now the capital of a united Vietnam) repudiated its earlier deference to China's claims, adopted South Vietnam's position, and claimed sovereignty over all the islands in the South China Sea. In the early 1980s, as Beijing, Kuala Lumpur, Manila, and Taipei protested, Vietnam resumed vigorous settlement and garrisoning of the Spratlys. ... (Source: Middle East Policy Council: Diplomacy on the Rocks: China and Other Claimants in the South China Sea) So if anything, it's the Vietnamese that initially accepted China's claims to the Spratly and Paracel Islands, but suddenly changed their minds, broke their words against China and started claiming those territories.
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  22854.  @distinctga5811  You said: "The CCP also isn't the natural successor to the Republic of China or the Qing dynasty. What makes them the legitimate rulers of all that is Chinese?" Why'd the Republic of China 🇹🇼 lose the mainland to the People's Republic of China 🇨🇳 and had to flee to Taiwan? During the Chinese Civil War, the communists were at a severe disadvantage, compared to the Nationalist Kuomintang. The KMT had massive wealth (taxed from peasants), superior weapons and superior numbers over the communists. It should have been a piece of cake for the KMT to wipe out the communists given their great advantage. Yet despite all these initial advantage, the KMT still lost the mainland to a bunch of dirt-poor, ill-equipped, starving communist peasants and had to flee to Taiwan. If anything, this demonstrates KMT's gross incompetence in their right to rule the mainland, while cementing the communists right to rule China. How is it that the CPC is not the natural successor to the Chinese civilization? You said: "many mainlanders and the people in Taiwan all hate the CCP." A long-term survey in China by Harvard University and Ash Center have revealed that around 80-90% of Chinese citizens support the Chinese government, what makes you think many mainlanders hate the CPC? A Harvard University survey has found that Chinese citizens' satisfaction with government has increased virtually across the board, with the central authorities receiving the strongest level of approval, increasing from 86 percent to 93 percent between 2003 and 2016, the period of the study.
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  22855.  @distinctga5811  "神州 Shenzhou You are kind of WAY OFF. By "Sponsors" you mean advertisers. Advertisers go to where the viewers are to sell their own products." So you've basically confirmed my point that they certainly aren't independent, they cannot go against the ones who control their purse strings. You said: "In this sense, you may say that news is 'Sensationalized' to attract more viewers." Agreed. And this embellishment can result in distortion of the truth, and Western audiences can get duped into thinking that the media is independent when it's clearly not. You said: "People don't go to a news program because they have to, they go where they want because, in America, there are many different sources of information." But the media is controlled by large for-profit corporations who reap revenue from advertising in America, this shows that it's not independent. You said: "For instance, "sponsors" on youtube are the viewers. A Youtuber isn't controlled by the viewers," A content creator is controlled by YouTube demonization, just like how Facebook posts, Twitter posts can be censored, so what more evidence do you need to show that it's not independent like you claimed? You said: "The fact that you don't understand this basic principle is unbecoming of you." More insults? The fact that you refuse to acknowledge that censorship exists on Western platforms like YouTube, Facebook, Twitter, goes to show how much you've been fooled into thinking that the media is independent.
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  22863.  @distinctga5811  You said: "神州 Shenzhou Before WW2, RoC was already the 2nd largest economy in the world" The Republic of China 🇹🇼 era was a period of turmoil. From 1913 to 1927, China disintegrated into regional warlords, fighting for authority, causing misery and disrupting growth. There was hyperinflation as the KMT issued more currency and imposed a drain on the civilian population, stirring mass unrest throughout China during this period. The inflation problem was significantly based in the KMT's failure to restore revenue sources and its printing of money to finance its deficit You said: "/10th of Japans GDP in the 1990s, despite starting behind the CCP after WW2 ended." Japan's economy was supported by U.S aid. Total Post-World War II U.S. assistance to Japan for the years of the occupation, from 1945-1952 was roughly $2.2 billion ($15.2 billion in 2005 dollars), of which almost $1.7 billion was grants and $504 million was loans. Also, Japan's WWII surrender treaty (i.e Article 9 of the Japanese Constitution) meant that Japan is only allowed to keep a self-defense force and the U.S forces stationed in Okinawa will "provide protection" for Japan. This meant that Japan's military expenditure was reduced and so the money could be channelled elsewhere, such as into developing Japan's economy. Also, after WWII, China was still involved in Korean War (1950) and Vietnam War (1955), while Japan was not directly involved because of Article 9 of its constitution, so it allowed Japan to build up its economy while China's economy was to support the war effort. Today, the People's Republic of China 🇨🇳 is ranked world's 2nd largest economy, ahead of Japan's and most certainly ahead of Taiwan Island.
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  22864.  @distinctga5811  You said: "You see, China's rise wasn't a consequence of good governance, it was a product of US globalization." Nope, China's rise was a result of our own good governance. Compare China to India for example, India is the world's largest democracy and 2nd most populous country after China, so it has a huge workforce just like China. Many Indians speak English (more favorable for Westerners) while many Chinese today still struggle with English. India. Republic of India was founded in 1947, while People's Republic of China was founded 2 years later in 1949, so India had a headstart over China. Also, India is a Western style democracy while China isn't. Yet despite this, China has surpassed India in many sectors such as economy, development, infrastructure, scientific research, technology exports, and so on. So isn't China's rise because of good governance? Because if it were a result of U.S globalization, then India would be the same as China (if not better). But this is clearly not the case in reality. You said: "A complete cut off of western high tech imports and China will start falling apart at the seems." China literally exports more high tech products than any other in the world, are you sure it's not other countries that will fall apart here? Countries by High-Technology Exports in 2019 1. China ($731 billion) 2. Hong Kong SAR, ($330 billion) 3. Germany ($210 billion) 4. South Korea ($192 billion) 5. United States ($156 billion) 6. Singapore ($155 billion) 7. France ($117 billion) 8. Japan ($111 billion) 9. Malaysia ($90 billion) 10. Netherlands ($85 billion) ... Source: YouTube: Top 20 Country by High-Technology Exports (1989-2019) You said: "The CCP manipulates you into thinking their hand is much stronger than it actually is, however their own information bubble has made them delusional about their capacities. They lie to the people and inadvertently misguide their own government and, subsequently, strategies. Chinese generals themselves have warned the CCP that they are overplaying their hand." Do you actually have evidence of your claims? Many people living in China have have found our living standards increased under communist party leadership. According to the World Bank, more than 850 million Chinese people have been lifted out of extreme poverty. As for the information bubble, Chinese are free to travel overseas for work, study or play. I mean, before 2019, everybody has heard of Chinese tourists visiting your lands and spending money on your tourist industries. Western schools and universities were positively flooded with Chinese international students studying the same topics as their peers, and Chinese investors are buying up real estate in other countries. So what makes you think Chinese are being misguided? Chinese can be found all over the world since we make up 20% of the world's population after all. But have you actually been to China and seen what life is like here for yourself?
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  22865.  @distinctga5811  You said: "Japan is more competent than China despite China having 10 times the population." China is home to the world's largest high-speed railway network, surpassing even Japan's Shinkansen high speed rail (HSR) in terms of track length. Our trains are very advanced and the journeys very smooth and enjoyable. Passengers have posted videos of their HSR trips, balancing coins on their edges on the window sill while traveling at 350 kph with the coin remaining upright, in order to showcase the smoothness of the journey. Here's a list of countries by HSR construction in 2019 1. China (38,207km) 2. Spain (5,525 km) 3. France (3,870 km) 4. Germany (3,596 km) 5. Japan (3,422 km) 6. Russia (2,026 km) 7. United Kingdom (1,997 km) 8. Italy (1,697 km) 9. South Korea (1,481 km) 10. Finland (744 km) ... Source: YouTube: High-Speed Railway (HSR) Construction by Country (1965-2019) You said: "Also, engaging in disputes with India over their mountain ranges is sheer and obvious stupidity." The Indians themselves should agree to negotiate with China to put an end to the border conflict, but sadly, many Indians still suffer from a "colonial mentality" of worshiping Anglo-Saxon culture and values, while harboring a disdain for anything non-white. Even though India has physically decolonized, the "decolonizing of the mind" needs to take place to heal the damage inflicted by the colonizer on the minds of the colonized. Otherwise, their actions continue to serve their colonial master's interests instead of their own.
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  22866.  @distinctga5811  You said: "Then Taiwan and Hong Kong as well as Iran." Taiwan and Hong Kong are part of China so of course China will take absolute interest when the U.S attempts to separate parts of China from the mainland. As for Iran, didn't you imply earlier that Iran is a U.S ally? If that's the case then why is the U.S slapping sanctions on Iran while walking out on the Iran Nuclear Deal? You said: "Also, they were horrible allies to Russia." China and the Soviet Union had a falling out over differences in communist ideology during the Sino-Soviet Conflict, and the U.S was quick to capitalize on the divide to keep our countries suspicious of each other. However, fast forward till today, and the U.S actions towards Russia and China are literally driving both our countries closer together than we've ever been, until there is practically no daylight between us. You said: "They were hostile to Vietnam, who should have been an ally." Vietnam should have been an ally after what China did for them during their fight for independence. During the First Indochina War, China supplied and provided the Việt Minh guerrilla forces with almost every kind of crucial and important supplies and material required, such as food (including thousands of tonnes of rice), money, medics and medical aid and supplies, arms and weapons, ammunition and explosives and other types of military equipment. 2,000 military advisors from the PRC and the Soviet Union trained the Việt Minh guerrilla force with the aim of turning it into a full-fledged armed force to fight off their French colonial masters and gain national independence. On top of this, the PRC sent two People's Liberation Army (PLA) artillery battalions to help Vietnam fight for independence. From 1950 to 1954 the Chinese government shipped goods, materials, and medicine worth $46 billion (in 2021 dollars) to Vietnam. From 1950 to 1956 the Chinese government shipped 155,000 small arms, 58 million rounds of ammunition, 4,630 artillery pieces, 1,080,000 artillery shells, 840,000 hand grenades, 1,400,000 uniforms, 1,200 vehicles, 14,000 tons of food, and 26,000 tons of fuel to Vietnam. ... Source: Wikipedia: First Indochina War Yet some Vietnamese nationalists (but not all) conveniently forget Chinese aid given to them during their fight for independence from the French, and some even claimed that they did it all by themselves. You said: "Instead the Chinese sought to conquer Vietnam for themselves." China never said that. The Sino-Vietnam War was because the Vietnamese invaded Cambodia (Kampuchea) and ousted its government and just sat there without installing a new government. As Cambodia's ally, China cannot allow the Vietnam to invade other sovereign countries with impunity so the Sino-Vietnam war was a punitive war meant to punish Vietnam, not conquer it. Vietnamese forces were unable to stop the People's Liberation Army's advance to its capital, Hanoi. On 6 March, China declared that the gate to Hanoi was open and that their punitive mission had been achieved and withdrew afterwards. China did not seek to conquer Vietnam for ourselves, despite clearing a path to Hanoi. You said: "Taiwan could have been a major asset to China, now it will never trust the CCP and the US won't allow a forceful takeover." Taiwan is becoming an asset to the U.S, but the U.S only seeks to make use of the island to contain the mainland's rise. The U.S has a long history of making use of assets and then discarding them once they no longer serve any purpose. Mainland China does not see Taiwan as an asset, it's an inalienable part of China, and mainlanders consider the people of Taiwan as our brothers and sisters. In fact, I would say that the country that cares the most about Taiwan is China itself. The U.S is not aiming for peaceful reunification, they are continually sending officials to visit the island and inflaming the situation further. You said: "I can go further into how the CCP messed up, but you likely lack the knowledge to stay with me." I do not claim to be knowledgeable in everything, but from what I read of your words thus far, all you seem to do is s**t on China's accomplishments under the CPC, then aren't you exhibiting precisely the kind of behavior that I encountered whenever I bring up China's achievements to Americans?
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  22869.  @distinctga5811  You said: "Nonetheless, they seemed to have done much better than the CCP, given that their people have democratized and are far more prosperous than the mainlanders." Taiwan's prosperity was achieved under authoritarian single-party KMT rule. For more than half its life, the KMT ruled Taiwan with iron fist and Chiang kai-shek was a dictator who jailed and executed dissidents and political rivals (whether real or perceived) in a period known as White Terror (白色恐怖) and imposed martial law on Taiwan for more than 38 years, which was qualified as "the longest imposition of martial law by a regime anywhere in the world" at that time. Source: Wikipedia: White Terror (Taiwan) But under authoritarian single-party KMT rule, Taiwan actually flourished and prospered, in what's known as the Taiwan Miracle (台湾奇迹). Between 1952 – 1982, Taiwan's economic growth was on average 8.7%, and between 1983 – 1986 at 6.9%. Taiwan GDP grew by 360% between 1965 – 1986. The percentage of global exports was over 2% in 1986, over other recently industrialized countries, and the global industrial production output grew a further 680% between 1965 – 1986. And its all been achieved under KMT leadership. Source: Wikipedia: Taiwan Miracle Only in the late 1990s, when democracy was introduced (because USA threatened to cut off weapons sales to Taiwan) did Taiwan's economic growth became more modest. Since then, Taiwan's economy has stagnated, wages are stagnant, cost of living is rising, unemployment is rising and Taiwan graduates are increasingly seeking jobs abroad, such as in Singapore or mainland China. Given that Taiwan's economic prosperity was achieved under authoritarian single party rule, and that its people are now suffering economically under democracy, how is it more successful than the mainland?
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  22871.  @115islandscompass6  The Diaoyu/Senkaku Islands were part of China until the Japanese occupied them during the war. Chinese records of these islands date back to as early as the 15th century when they were referred as Diaoyu in books such as Voyage with a Tail Wind (Chinese: 順風相送; pinyin: Shùnfēng Xiāngsòng) (1403) and Record of the Imperial Envoy's Visit to Ryūkyū (Chinese: 使琉球錄; pinyin: Shǐ Liúqiú Lù) (1534). Adopted by the Chinese Imperial Map of the Ming Dynasty, the Chinese name for the island group (Diaoyu) and the Japanese name for the main island (Uotsuri) both mean "fishing". After the Japanese surrendered at the end of WWII, they agreed to relinquish all previously occupied territory, yet the Diaoyu Islands weren't returned back to China. You said: "This is certainly not a war, but it cannot be called a peaceful act." So it's certainly not an act of war, then my point still stands that China is currently at peace and not at war with any country. Like I said earlier, fishing disputes arise all the time, just look at France and Britain having a fishing dispute, but it doesn't translate to being at war. You said: "Then, do you call the act of firing missiles into Japanese territorial waters “peaceful”?" The U.S tested its Minutemen III ICBM which flew over international waters and traveled approximately 4,200 miles to the Kwajalein Atoll in the Marshall Islands. You said: "BTW, we often hear in the news in China that the ground is collapsing, trains are falling from overpasses, flooding is happening here and there, and drought is drying up rivers. The reason why they happen so often is because China's infrastructure is not properly maintained." This just shows how Western media paint a negative image of China to their audiences. China has arguably the best infrastructure construction in the world, we are home to many of the world's tallest, longest and highest bridges. Wikipedia: List of Longest Bridges: -Danyang–Kunshan Grand Bridge (164,800 m) -Tianjin Grand Bridge (113,700 m) -Cangde Grand Bridge (105,881 m) -Weinan Weihe Grand Bridge (79,732 m) -Beijing Grand Bridge (48,153 m) ... Wikipedia: List of Tallest Bridges: -Pingtang Bridge (332 m) -Hutong Yangtze River Bridge (325 m) -Sutong Bridge (306 m) -Chishi Bridge (288 m) -Xiang River Bridge (288 m) -Qingshan Yangtze River Bridge (283 m) ... Wikipedia: List of Highest Bridges -Duge Bridge (565 m) -Sidu River Bridge (496 m) -Pull Bridge (485 m) -Jin'an Bridge (461 m) -Yachi River Bridge (434 m) -Qinshui Bridge (406 m) You said: "Despite that, why would China want to expand?" China is not expanding, we are retaking territory that was lost as a result of the Century of Humiliation, where Eight Nations invaded China and carved up our territory like a pie (like in that infamous French Cartoon) in to many pieces for themselves. China has accepted that some pieces are no longer retrievable (i.e Vladivostok), but China has managed to get countries to cough up pieces like Hong Kong and Macau to return back to mainland. The last remaining unclaimed piece is Taiwan island, and mainland China will spare no expense to reunify Taiwan with the mainland. This is not considered "expansion" into other countries territories, is it not? After all, it was China that "baked the pie" that was carved up by foreign powers and divided among themselves, China is merely retaking as many of our rightful pieces as possible.
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  22872.  @distinctga5811  You said: "If the CCP was so great why did they fail constantly until the moment the US adopted globalization in the year 2000?" What makes you claim China failed constantly? First point is that the Chairman Mao Zedong managed to reunify our divided country and proclaimed the founding of the People's Republic of China 🇨🇳 in 1949, whereas the previous KMT administration failed to achieve during the Republic of China 🇹🇼 period (1912-1949) for 37 years. Secondly, under Mao Zedong, China nearly doubled in population from 540 million in 1949 to 969 million in 1979. Under Mao, China's life expectancy at birth nearly doubled from 35–40 years in 1949 to 65.5 years in 1980, and is among the most rapid sustained increases in documented global history (Banister and Preston 1981; Ashton et al. 1984; Coale1984; Jamison 1984; Banister 1987; Ravallion 1997; Banister and Hill 2004). Under Mao, China's Infant mortality rate (under 1 year old) fell from 195 deaths per 1k births in 1950, to 55 deaths per 1k births in 1980. Thirdly, China's literacy rates under Mao have been hailed as "The Single Greatest Educational Effort in Human History" by some Western scholars. The illiteracy rate of China stood at roughly 85-90% when it was first calculated at the turn of the 20th century, and began to decrease significantly from the 1950s onward. By 1959, illiteracy rates among youth and adults (ages twelve to 40) had fallen from 80% to 43%, and they have been steadily decreasing since.
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  22873.  @distinctga5811  You said: "Next you talk about "high tech exports" AKA China assembles final products, such as iphones, and they get credit for exporting the product despite importing the high tech components." Because you were talking about high tech exports, and China is the world's largest exporter of high tech products then why can't China get the credit? Are you so petty that you'll refuse to give China credit where credit is due? If you don't like China's assembled final products, you're always welcome to keep the unassembled pieces yourself. You said: "$9 of the iphone profit of $238 goes to China, "the other $228.99 goes elsewhere. The U.S. and Japan each take a roughly $68 cut, Taiwan gets about $48, and a little under $17 goes to South Korea." So are you saying that if China were to be cut off from Western high tech imports, mainland China would suffer less losses than U.S, Japan, Taiwan island and South Korea? Then you're just demonstrating that they would suffer more losses if they decoupled from China, thanks for proving my point. You said: "First of all, many products in Japan, South Korea and Taiwan have to travel to the US anyways, so why not assemble them next door for a fraction of the cost." So it looks like you're against decoupling then, because it will hurt the U.S more than it does China. Thanks for reinforcing my point. You said: "Also, China essentially has a monopoly on Rare Earth metals so the deal was that the West can have access to these metals only if they assemble the finished products in China." Well said. China's rare Earth Metals production makes up around 80-90% of the entire worlds production and rare earth metals are essential for technology such as rechargeable batteries for electric and hybrid cars, advanced ceramics, computers, DVD players, wind turbines, solar panels, rocket circuitry, catalysts in cars and oil refineries, monitors, televisions, phone screens, lighting, lasers, fiber optics, LEDs, superconductors and glass polishing Much of our modern technology probably won't function if not for China's rare earth metals, so if U.S were to decouple from China, they will take a harder hit than China, that's for sure.
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  22875.  @115islandscompass6  You said: "神州 Shenzhou Huh? Is it taught that "Japan took it in World War II"? smh" Did I ever said that the Diaoyu Islands were taken by Japan during World War II? You said: "The first time the Senkaku Islands appear in Western historical records is in British records around 1845." The first published description of the islands in Europe appears in a book imported by Isaac Titsingh in 1796. His small library of Japanese books included Sangoku Tsūran Zusetsu (三國通覧圖說, An Illustrated Description of Three Countries) by Hayashi Shihei. This text, which was published in Japan in 1785, described the Ryūkyū Kingdom. Hayashi followed convention in giving the islands their Chinese names in his map in the text, where he coloured them in the same pink as China. You said: "In the letter, it is written that fishermen drifted to Wayo Island in the Senkaku Islands, Yaeyama County, Okinawa Prefecture, Empire of Japan(大日本帝国沖縄県八重山郡尖閣列島内和洋島). From this, we know that the Republic of China recognized the Senkaku Islands as Japanese territory." China acknowledge that Japan took control of the islands in 1894–1895 during the first Sino-Japanese War, through the signature of the Treaty of Shimonoseki. China assert that the Potsdam Declaration required that Japan relinquish control of all islands except for "the islands of Honshū, Hokkaidō, Kyūshū, Shikoku and such minor islands as we determine", and China state that this means control of the islands should pass to Republic of China, which was part of China at the time of the first Sino-Japanese War as well as of the San Francisco Peace Treaty.. You said: "The Treaty of San Francisco does not require the return of territories recognized as ancient Japanese territories." The Potsdam Declaration stated that that the "Japanese sovereignty shall be limited to the islands of Honshu, Hokkaido, Kyushu, Shikoku, and such minor islands as we determine," so shouldn't the Diaoyu Islands be returned back to China?
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  22877.  @distinctga5811  You said: "Again, China imports the computational aspects of these devices, which is the fundamental aspect of any smart phone or computer." Again, we've shown that China exports more high-tech products than any other in the world, so if the Western high-tech imports to China are cut, then it's clearly the West who will suffer if they decouple from China. How else to further elaborate on this simple point? You said: "You clearly don't understand, but it is what it is." How else to explain? Look even you admitted that China essentially has a monopoly on rare earth metals, at around 80-90% of the world's total rare earth metal production, which are used for technology such as rechargeable batteries for electric and hybrid cars, advanced ceramics, computers, DVD players, wind turbines, solar panels, rocket circuitry, catalysts in cars and oil refineries, monitors, televisions, phone screens, lighting, lasers, fiber optics, LEDs, superconductors and glass polishing. If China ceased our production of rare earth metals, then all the high-technology industry in the world will come to a screeching halt, even in the West. How else to explain the fact that the West will only hurt itself more if they choose to decouple with China. You said: "Honestly, I don't really care to have a conversation with someone that is clearly dishonest, delusional or incompetent." Same here, I've illustrated my point using data and statistics, that the West will only hurt themselves is they decouple from China, yet the person I'm talking to just feign ignorance.
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  22879.  @distinctga5811  You said: "Lol. Again. Taiwan is a small nation, so they don't have the the Capacity that China has, but they do have superior Capability especially when considered per capita." Take supercomputers for example and China is home to two of Top 10 World's Fastest Supercomputers, the Sunway TaihuLight (神威·太湖之光) and Tianhe-2 (天河-2). In the list of TOP500 supercomputers, China ranks top in the world with 173 of such systems. Top 500 supercomputers by country (as of November 2021) 1. China (173 systems) 2. United States (149 systems) 3. Japan (32 systems) 4. Germany (26 systems) 5. France (19 systems) 6. Canada (11 systems) 7. United Kingdom (11 systems) 8. South Korea (7 systems) 9. Russia (7 systems) 10. Italy (6 systems) ... Source: TOP500 But where are the famous supercomputers from Taiwan as compared to the mainland? How can Taiwan possibly hope to compete with the sheer economic power of the mainland? Yet you boasted that Taiwanese are far more successful than than the mainlanders on average? You said: _"Then you talk about "How can Taiwan compete with the mainland" Why don't you all try and invade Taiwan to find out?" Taiwan is part of China (according to its constitution) so how can China invade ourselves? The island is clearly unable to compete with the mainland both economically as well as militarily, yet are you so callous towards the people of Taiwan that you would subject them to war just because you can't refute my point? You said: "The truth is that your leaders are scared." Scared of what? It's no secret today the the U.S is in decline and China is rising. As long as peace prevails, the U.S will eventually decline to the point where they can no longer afford to challenge the mainland rises anymore, and by that time, support for Taiwan's independence would evaporate and reunification would be inevitable. It's the Western leaders whom are scared, that's why they are trying to inflame tension along the Taiwan strait here. You said: "If you want to talk about economic power, the USA dominates China." Many economists predict that China's economy will surpass the United State's economy someday in the foreseeable future. You said: "Consider the Iphone production in China: China clocked $500 GDP per Iphone in 2016 but really only profits $9 while the US earns $90 and only clocks about 90$." You've said this point before, and all you're proving is that US would suffer 10x more than China ($90 vs $9) if the U.S decouples from China that's all.
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  22880.  @distinctga5811  You said: "神州 Shenzhou Population increase, especially at those levels, isn't something to be proud of." Why shouldn't China be proud of our population? Statistically speaking, as the world's largest population, China has the most brainpower the come up with plans as well as the most manpower to implement said plans into action. Larger populations have more geniuses, and since China's population is 4x that of the U.S, China has around 4 geniuses for every 1 American genius. Consider two bell curves, one with 1.4 billion people and one with 326 million for the populations of China and the USA. The number of average people in China is very close to 4.3 times the number of average people in the U.S and this is also true for the top 2%. Even there, China would have a 4.3 to 1 advantage, which would be quite an advantage, everything else being equal. ... Source: China's Statistical Advantage: Large Populations Have More Geniuses You said: "神州 Shenzhou Lol. The US actually has the most abundant sources of Rare Earth Metals," But those are unprocessed, and again, it's China that essentially has a monopoly (by your own admission) on rare earth metals production, so in order to convert those rare earth metals into finished products, they'll have be sent to China to be processed. Therefore, U.S decoupling from China would hurt itself more than it would China. You said: "70% of US GDP is consumed domestically compared to 40% of Chinese GDP," That's bound to change as China's income levels rise. Already, China has the largest middle-class consumption market segment in the world with over 900 million people. Together, they are spending over $22 billion per day, and if China can convert all 1.4 billion people in China into consumers, then we would be the world's largest consumer market (if we aren't already. You said: "China is far more reliant on exports than the US." Well, the U.S is far more reliant on imports than China. The U.S is the largest goods importer in the world and China was the top supplier of goods to the United States. So the U.S is more likely to be hurt by decoupling than China, who can always export our goods elsewhere.
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  22881.  @distinctga5811  You said: "The US can find cheap labor elsewhere, however it would have to shift the workforce around. Vietnam, Indonesia and India are all viable regions to relocate assembly lines," Are those Vietnamese, Indonesian and India workers willing to work for the same low wages as Chinese workers? If not, then goods from those regions will be pricier compares to Made-in-China goods. Also, they will be starting from scratch, so they'll most likely make poor quality products since they lack the manufacturing experience that Chinese workers have. Also, do Vietnam, Indonesia and India have the infrastructure to compete with China's? How are these countries going to ship all those Made-in-Vietnam, Indonesia, India goods across the Pacific Ocean to the U.S? China is home to many of the world's busiest ports. List of busiest container ports in 2020 1. Shanghai (China): 43,500 TEUs 2. Singapore (Singapore): 36,600 TEUs 3. Ningbo-Zhoushan (China): 28,720 TEUs 4. Shenzhen (China): 26,550 TEUs 5. Guangzhou (China): 23,190 TEUs 6. Qingdao (China): 22,000 TEUs 7. Busan (South Korea): 21,590 TEUs 8. Hong Kong (China): 20,070 TEUs 9. Tianjin (China): 18,350 TEUs 10. Los Angeles (United States):17,310 TEUs ... Source: Wikipedia: List of busiest container ports List of busiest ports by cargo tonnage in 2019 1. Ningbo-Zhousan (China): 1,120,090 kilo-tonnes 2. Shanghai (China): 716,770 kilo-tonnes 3. Tangshan (China): 656,740 kilo-tonnes 4. Singapore (Singapore): 626,180 kilo-tonnes 5. Guangzhou (China): 606,160 kilo-tonnes 6. Qingdao (China): 577,360 kilo-tonnes 7. Suzhou (China): 522,750 kilo-tonnes 8. Port Hedland (Australia): 521,880 kilo-tonnes 9. Tiangjin (China): 492,200 kilo-tonnes 10. Rotterdam (Netherlands): 469,400 kilo-tonnes ... Source: Wikipedia: List of busiest ports by cargo tonnage So are Vietnam, Indonesia and India able to match China's ability to ship out finished goods across the Pacific Ocean to the USA? If not, then the U.S will suffer a massive reduction in goods if they decouple from China. You said: "most of these jobs are on the brink of being automated" China is already the world's largest market for automation. For example, China is home to Asia's first automated container terminal at the Port of Qingdao. The automated port set a record for the most efficient loading/unloading of goods, and the machines can work 24 hours, even at night in complete darkness.
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  22882.  @distinctga5811  You said: "The US can find an alternative to cheap labor, while China cannot find an alternative to Western technological imports." China is having a chip breakthrough. Chinese company SMIC had successfully produced 7nm chips for semiconductors, despite U.S sanctions and possibly advancing its production technology by two generations. SMIC took two years to achieve the leap from 14-nm to 7-nm, faster than TSMC and Samsung according to a Canada-based research firm, TechInsights. You said: "The US can rebalance it's labor force to replace China, but China cannot do the same in respect to US technology." I've already highlighted the difficulties of USA relocating manufacturing to Vietnam, Indonesia and India, given that they'll eventually have to ship their finished products across the Pacific Ocean, and they cannot match China's port infrastructure. I've also highlighted some Chinese chip breakthrough in the production of 7nm chips for use in semiconductors. You said: "The US, Britain, Japan, South Korea, Australia, Canada, and New Zealand will likely march in sync on the matter." China is the biggest trading partner of Britain, Japan, South Korea, Australia, and New Zealand, why would they want to break their trade with China just because the U.S does? Are they U.S allies or are they vassals instead? You said: "The EU will probably as well considering the actions that Russia has taken towards Ukraine." I don't understand your logic, what has Russia's actions in Ukraine even got to do with EU trading with its biggest trading partner, China? China is not Russia, neither is Russia China, so why do you base your relationship with one country on the actions of another? Also, Ukraine is not even a member of NATO or the EU, so what has Russia's actions in Ukraine got to do with the EU? You said: "China hasn't built the relationships that the USA has, nor does it have the moral high ground." China is clearly the biggest trading partner of Britain, EU, Japan, South Korea, etc, and they would be jeopardizing their economic relations with China if they just blindly follow the U.S. As for moral high ground, the U.S promised to supply LNG to EU if they impose sanctions on Russian gas, and yet the U.S is limiting their LNG exports at the time when the EU urgently needs LNG. In fact, in the most recent news, it's China that sold LNG to the EU at a hefty profit, so what high moral ground are you talking about, when the U.S doesn't live up to its commitments to its allies?
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  22888.  @distinctga5811  "神州 Shenzhou So I guess this is the real question that sums everything up: Why is the United States decoupling from China and not the other way around?" Because American leaders are desperate to contain China's inevitable rise, so much such that they are willing to shoot themselves in the foot. Americans leaders have to find some scapegoat to blame for America's domestic woes, so they look towards China in order to paint China as somehow being the source of U.S problems. That's why people like you take a clearly negative view of our country. You said: "We don't need to have this conversation anymore. The proof is in the pudding." I have outlined the challenges that the U.S faces in moving manufacturing to places like Vietnam, Indonesia and India. How will these countries ship their Made-in-Vietnam/Indonesia/India goods across the Pacific Ocean to the U.S in competitive volume to match China's port facilities? It's apparent by now that whenever I bring up China's accomplishments, all you seem to do is throw mud on them or dismiss them entirely, then it's clear that you're just anti-China that's all. Throughout our long conversation, you've been against Chinese mainlanders, Chinese government, Chinese businesses, Chinese population, then why pretend that you're not anti-China when you clearly are? You said: "Both countries face hardships from decoupling, but it is detrimental to China whereas it is only a headwind to the US." China can always find other buyers of Chinese goods, but the U.S is unable to manufacture their own goods that can even compete with China. Neither can other countries like Vietnam, India, Indonesia match China's port infrastructure. You said: "Let us wait and see. If China is what you say it is, then it will have no problem surpassing the US on the world stage and taking Taiwan." Is the idea of a non-Western country like China surpassing the U.S someday in the foreseeable future so anathema to you?
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  22895.  @distinctga5811  China has always been under authoritarian rule (and we still are today). China has 5,000 years of history and is among the world's oldest "continuous" civilization still alive today, whereas other ancient civilizations like Mesopotamia, Egypt and Rome eventually succumbed to history. China has witnessed the birth and death of various other nations, the rise and fall of numerous empires, and yet China has survived the oftentimes violent passage of time to modern times relatively intact. Throughout it all, China has been under a strong central government under the rule of the Emperor and the Imperial Court, and today's PRC system under President Xi and the Communist Party closely emulates the ancient system of China's past. Such an authoritarian system has proved successful for China for millennia, and is successful today as well, then can't China continue to pursue this form of political system? Not all countries have to adopt Western democracy to be successful and China is living proof of this. Previously before the 1997 return, Hong Kong was under authoritarian British colonial rule, during which Hong Kong did not enjoy democracy and virtually no elections were held in Hong Kong by its people while it was a British colony. It was during the period of Hong Kong's handover back to mainland China, that Hong Kong people could finally vote in elections for their favorite leader. So isn't it thanks to mainland China that Hong Kong people finally get democracy under the One Country, Two System policy, when they had none before? For 150 years as a British colony? If you count the number of elections held in Hong Kong, Hong Kong actually held more elections AFTER it's 1997 return to mainland China, than they ever did before, for 150 years as a British colony.
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  22896.  @distinctga5811  You said: "Then a series of events soured the relationship and is derailing China's rise." Many believe it was Trump's tarriffs on China that was what soured the relationship, but it's possible it might be Obama's "Pivot to Asia" and even earlier cause U.S-China relations to deteriorate to the low point that it is today. How was the 1 Country, 2 Systems agreement violated? As far as I know, Hong Kong has their separate government, separate currency, passport, judicial system, even their own separate flag 🇭🇰, yet they are considered part of China under this system. It's unheard of for Western democracies to allow multiple systems existing within their borders, yet despite China being authoritarian, China has permitted Hong Kong to keep their separate system while being part of China. Also, you seem to have conveniently forgotten the U.S House of Speaker representative visit to the island that has inflamed tension in the Taiwan Strait. President Xi had phoned President Biden about the consequences of her trip, but the U.S went ahead with the visit, now you're claiming Beijing is heightening aggression in the Taiwan Strait? If the U.S was truly committed to peaceful reunification of the Taiwan strait, then why is the U.S continually sending officials to visit the island and heightening tensions further? Such continued visits appear to signal a U.S change to their subscription to the One China Policy that Taiwan is part of China, so why would they do that if they were purportedly committed to peaceful reunification? Crimea had that 2014 referendum in which the overwhelming majority (96.77%) voted to join the Russian Federation.
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  22901.  @distinctga5811  I've been nothing but serious in my remarks to you, yet you seem to respond by hurling insults against me for my views. The U.S outsourced it's Rare Earth Metals production to China, so all that technology, the know-how, the workers, the machinery, have gone to China and elsewhere, and restarting U.S rare earth production is not going to be as easy as you claim. The U.S having built these things before outsourcing, doesn't mean that they can build that same capability again. Where are the U.S rare earth metals expertise? In China. Where are the U.S rare earth machinery? In China. Where are the U.S rare earth workers? Either in China or they have been fired or moved on to other jobs. If the U.S wants to restart their rare earth industry, it's going to a be a momentous task, just gathering the people, the designs, the machinery, and so on. The difference with rare earth production and F-35 production is that Americans have stopped refining rare earths to the point where they've mostly forgotten everything about the refining process. With the F-35 production, I agree that even if the U.S give away all their F-35s, they would still retain the knowledge how to manufacture one. But if say 50 years has passed, after the U.S give away all their F-35s, all the factory workers have been fired or move into other jobs. The manufacturing machinery has been outsources or dismantled for parts, and nobody remained to impart F-35 knowledge to the next generation of Americans, then the U.S would have lost that technology. The same applies for rare earth production, the U.S has gone for so long without rare earth production that it would be a huge task just to restart it. Recently in a U.S article, it was plainly stated that: The United States has only one rare earths mine and has no capability to process rare earth minerals.
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  22902.  @distinctga5811  The Russian Ruble (not "Rubble" as you called it) is ranked the world's top-performing currency this year. Before the special military operation, the Ruble was trading at around 70 ruble per U.S Dollar. After the flurry of sanctions by the West, the ruble weakened to 130 ruble per USD, but today the ruble has since stablized an is trading at aroung 60 ruble per USA (even better than pre-war). So it appears that the Western attempts to destablise the Russian currency have backfired. Russia is also not geopolitically isolated like you claim. According to analysis by the Economist's Intelligence Unit, fully two-thirds of the world’s population live in countries where the government has declined to condemn Russia’s invasion of Ukraine, either by adopting a position of neutrality or actually opposing expressions of condemnation. Nearly one-third of the world’s population lives in a country where their government’s position is “neutral” according to the Economist classification. Just look at Russian Foreign Ministry spokeperson Larov when he visited Africa and he was warmly received by many in the region, as compared to U.S Biden's visit to Africa. As for China's currency, the BRIC countries' GDP is responsible for 43% of world's GDP, while Europe and the United States together represent 36%. The emerging countries were also responsible for 70% of the growth of the world's GDP (Arbix and Salerno, 2008). The growth of BRICS increases the possibility of the Chinese Renminbi being accepted as a potential reserve currency. Additionally, countries like Iran and Argentina had officially applied to join BRICS, while Saudi Arabia, Turkiye and Egypt have similar plans to join BRICS.
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  22904.  @distinctga5811  Russia has announce that their gas supplier to Europe, Gazprom, will only accept Russian Ruble in payment for gas delivered to Europe, so whether they like it or not, EU countries will have to buy Ruble if they want Russian gas. Not only that but Russia is making Western countries pay for Russian wheat and fertilizer in rubles, and this is going to connect the ruble to these basic commodities. The BRIC countries’ gross domestic product (GDP) is responsible for 43% of world’s GDP, while Europe and the United States together represent 36%. The emerging countries were also responsible for 70% of the growth of the world’s GDP (Arbix and Salerno, 2008). Russia's economy is not going from bad to worst. Recently The Sun UK article had a chart comparing the cost of living in Europe compared to sanction-hit Russia. Price of Food: UK up 10.5%, Russia down 11.3% Potatoes: UK up 18%, Russia down 28% Bananas: UK up 12%, Russia down 14% Cabbage: UK up 10%, Russia down 33% Tomatoes: UK up 15%, Russia down 14% Carrots: UK up 16%, Russia down 13% Energy Bills: UK up 80%, Russia up 10% ... Source: The Sun UK: Welcome to sanction-hit Russia, where prices are DOWN as Brits suffer from soaring inflation. Russians are expected to have food in their bellies and warmth this coming winter, while EU countries are seeing more protests over cost of living. I believe in Prague there's like around tens of thousands of people protesting in the Czech Republic? There's also the fact that the U.S seized around $300 billion worth of Russia's foreign reserves might give some countries pause that the U.S can seize their money, and possibly contribute to the need to find an alternative to the dollar.
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  22906.  @souravchakraborty6121  Experts from Chatham House and Lowy Institute have long debunked China's so-called "debt-trap diplomacy" as myth. There is no Chinese debt-trap, the narrative of one wrongfully portrays both Beijing and the developing countries it deals with. Research has shown that Chinese banks are willing to restructure the terms of existing loans and have never actually seized an asset from any country, much less the port of Hambantota. Laos is growing economically indeed, recently the China-Laos Railway has been opened with much fanfare and has transported over 1 million passengers and 500,000 tonnes of cargo since it was launched in December 2021. As for the Belt and Road Initiative, as of January 2020, 138 countries have signed on to the BRI, ranging from Italy to Saudi Arabia to Cambodia, joining in the mutual prosperity of win-win cooperation. The South China Sea is an important maritime trade route and much of the trade is predominantly with China, so efforts are being taken to maintain peace in the South China Sea. Thus far, there hasn't been any outbreak of war in the SCS region. Donglong is claimed as part of Chinese territory, but the Indian Army just entered the Plateau and stopped People's Liberation Army soldiers from constructing a road in our own territory, even though India does not claim Donglong as part of their territory, yet their troops trespassed onto Chinese territory. As for Galwan Valley, even Indian PM Narendra Modi has said that Chinese troops did not enter Indian territory, neither were there any outposts taken, so is it possible that the intrusion was from the Indian side onto Chinese territory?
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  22907.  @souravchakraborty6121  Experts from Chatham House and Lowy Institute have long debunked China's so-called "debt-trap diplomacy" as myth. Research has shown that Chinese banks are willing to restructure the terms of existing loans and have never actually seized an asset from any country, much less the port of Hambantota. Laos is growing economically indeed, recently the China-Laos Railway has been opened with much fanfare and has transported over 1 million passengers and 500,000 tonnes of cargo since it was launched in December 2021. As for the Belt and Road Initiative, as of January 2020, 138 countries have signed on to the BRI, ranging from Italy to Saudi Arabia to Cambodia, joining in the mutual prosperity of win-win cooperation. The South China Sea is an important maritime trade route and much of the trade is predominantly with China, so efforts are being taken to maintain peace in the South China Sea. Thus far, there hasn't been any outbreak of war in the SCS region. Donglong is claimed as part of Chinese territory, but the Indian Army just entered the Plateau and stopped People's Liberation Army soldiers from constructing a road in our own territory, even though India does not claim Donglong as part of their territory, yet their troops trespassed onto Chinese territory. As for Galwan Valley, even Indian PM Narendra Modi has said that Chinese troops did not enter Indian territory, neither were there any outposts taken, so is it possible that the intrusion was from the Indian side onto Chinese territory?
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  22910.  @distinctga5811  You said: "NEWS FLASH: In the West people are allowed to express their discontent publicly unlike in places like China and Russia." It's a common misconception in the West that the people in China cannot express discontent publicly. Take vaccine mandates for example, Beijing had initially announced China's first vaccine mandate, but the idea was scrapped after receiving online backlash by Chinese netizens. Whereas in Canada for example, the "Freedom Convoy" truckers had their bank accounts frozen just for protesting against vaccine mandates. You said: "Find a single source that thinks the Ruble is going to become the worlds reserve currency." Source: Market Insider: Russia and China are brewing up a challenge to dollar dominance by creating a new reserve currency Exerpts: Russia is ready to develop a new global reserve currency alongside China and other BRICS nations, in a potential challenge to the dominance of the US dollar. President Vladimir Putin signaled the new reserve currency would be based on a basket of currencies from the group's members: Brazil, Russia, India, China, and South Africa. (So if the ruble is included in this basket of currencies, it signifies that the ruble would be a part of this potential new reserve currency.) You said: "Russia can think of their 300 billion USD seized as payment for renting Eastern Ukraine." Ukraine is not even a NATO member nor an EU member, then what has the U.S even got to do with Ukraine? And if the U.S can just seize other countries foreign reserves just like that, then why should countries continue to support the tyranny of the dollar? What if the U.S decides to seize other countries foreign reserves just because they go against the U.S interests? You said: "Lastly, ask yourself why Russia had 300 billion in US banks in the first place? They needed USD." Now they don't, because Russia has been cut off from the SWIFT financial architecture, so that's why Russia is accepting rubles (or renminbi, rupees, etc) as payment for Russian gas, wheat and fertilizer. The U.S seizure of a country's foreign reserves is signalling to U.S allies that perhaps one day in the future, the U.S might just start seizing its allies foreign reserves if they do not obey. You said: "Brazil's economy collapsed when they turned against the US to support Russia after the invasion of Crimea," This speaks to the volume of U.S weaponizing the dollar against countries that do not agree with its stance. In the 2014 Crimea Referendum, the overwhelming majority (96.77%) voted to join the Russian Federation, yet why was Brazil punished by the U.S for support Crimean democracy? It is quite evident which country is determined to preserve their global hegemonic rule. China and Russia are facilitating the transition towards a multi-polar world dominated by multiple voices, from the old uni-polar world dominated by a single voice (that of the U.S and its "allies")
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  22911.  @souravchakraborty6121  Every business venture faces risks of some sort, and 20% is quite small in the grand scheme of things. Corruption and lack of transparency is up for the developing countries themselves to sort out, not for China. China is clamping down on corruption on our side, the rest falls on the developing countries themselves. "Out of 122 project only 32 project has been completed so far in Pakistan." Because BRI is a long-term project, spanning 10 years, 20 years, even more, so you cannot expect all 122 projects to be completed on such a short notice. Also, the China-Pakistan Economic Corridor (CPEC) has resulted in the creation of jobs for 75,000 Pakistanis. Chinese labor makes only 17.5 % of the total number of labor currently working on CPEC while 82.5% labor included Pakistani citizens. Hambantota port is in Sri Lanka, not Pakistan, and like I said earlier, experts from Chatham House and Lowy Institute have long debunked China's so-called "debt-trap diplomacy" as myth. Research has shown that Chinese banks are willing to restructure the terms of existing loans and have never actually seized an asset from any country, much less the port of Hambantota. According to Forbes, China has forgiven nearly $10 billion in debt to other developing countries. Over the last 18 years, China has written off around $9.8 billion in debt to other countries and Cuba accounts for over half of it. So if China is aiming for the so-called "debt-trap" diplomacy, this is clearly a step in the opposite direction of a debt trap!
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  22912.  @souravchakraborty6121  20% is an acceptable level of risk for a business venture the likes of the Belt and Road Initiative. Going up to 40% is just a forecast, but it may not turn out to be the case. Business is about evaluating the risks versus the benefits, and many developing countries still choose to join on board BRI of their own volition. Yes, BRI a long-term project, so you cannot expect to see 100% success in short-term, it takes a while for the projects to develop and most of them should complete by 2030. 25% being completed is entirely on schedule. And what Pakistan zone full of Chinese naval base are you talking about? China only has a handful of overseas bases, and none of them are in Pakistan. Source: Wikipedia: List of countries with overseas military bases The stalling of projects is temporary, and they may resume afterwards. Also, it's from a report by Gwadar Pro that CPEC has generated around 75,000 jobs for locals in Pakistan. Chinese labor makes only 17.5 % of the total number of labor currently working on CPEC while 82.5% labor included Pakistani citizens. All the projects are going as per schedule, within agreed framework. Out of total 88, 19 projects have already been completed, 28 are under implementation and 41 projects are in the pipeline. While 28 projects which are under implementation comprise projects like wind power plant, solar power plant, hydro power project and construction of special economic zones. Forty one pipeline projects are already approved; their paperwork has been completed but the work on it has not started yet. Either they have been delayed due to the finance collections or are waiting for the right time to start. According to the report, for the past 6 years CPEC has generated around 75,000 jobs for Pakistani citizens alone. Nearly 47,000 people are working right now on various CPEC projects even during the epidemic crisis. Out of these, 40,000 people are Pakistani citizens including labors, engineers and technicians making around 82.5%. The other 7,000 are Chinese which include senior engineers and the Chinese labor force makes 17.5 % of the total number. Where does AidData Research Institute state that China is 100% using debt trap? I looked at AidData Research Institutes papers on China and there was no confirmation of a debt trap of any sort, are you making up claims against China that's all? China forgives only 0.1% of BRI's total budget because those are the countries that are unable to pay off their loans. I mean, what? Are you expecting China to forgive 100% of BRI's loans then you'll be happy? What kind of business model are you proposing? And which of those countries have been taken over by China? Answer: None!
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  22913.  @distinctga5811  Don't look at just short-term forecasts. Longer-term forecasts suggest that today’s developing and emerging countries are likely to account for nearly 60% of world GDP by 2030, according to a report by Organisation for Economic Cooperation and Development (OECD). The strong performance of China and India has had a significant impact on the rest of the developing world. Climate Change is affecting all, not just India, but also European countries with heatwaves as well as the California wildfires in the U.S. Also, Russia's economy is in better shape than many forecast and has avoided the meltdown many predicted after the flurry of sanctions slapped on it, that's why the Russian ruble was crowned the best performing currency this year. Russia bought US$6.7 billion worth of goods from China in July, as supply chains adapt in the wake of Western sanctions. Overall, Russia’s imports grew by 49.3% in July, following increases of 56% in June and 79.6% in May. You said: "By sanctioning it. They are rapidly developing alternative sources to gas and the alternatives already exist for oil." Europe sanctioning Russian oil is what amounts to energy blackmail. And what are some examples of alternative sources to gas and oil does Europe have? U.S is decreasing their LNG exports to Europe, and Saudi Arabia have stated that they aren't going to expand oil production beyond 13 million barrels per day. You said: "A price cap isn't about Russian energy, it's about the rest of the market." Then why is the G7 price cap specifically targeting Russian oil? Isn't this going against the principles of a free market economy if they impose a price cap on commodities instead of letting market forces determine the price of oil? And it's not the price cap that's affecting developing countries, Russia is perfectly capable of selling their oil to developing countries like China and India (even at a discount). However, Russia has chosen not to sell its oil to countries that impose a price cap on Russian oil (i.e the G7 countries). If the EU can afford the higher cost of energy and food, then why are there protests against inflation in Prague (Czech Republic), Leipzig (Germany), Naples (Italy), Sweden and the UK? Already, Germany is resorting to rationing energy by advising its citizens to take shorter hot showers during winter. And you're saying the EU can afford the higher prices as well as investing capital into developing alternative sources? Such as?
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  22915.  @distinctga5811  "神州 Shenzhou The US, France, EU, Japan, United Kingdom, Germany, Turkey all have major influence in the decisions made by the West." Except for Turkiye, the rest of the countries you mentioned are all basically agree with the stance of the U.S. This is the consequence of the uni-polar world dominated by a single voice (that of the U.S and it's allies) whereas China and Russia are facilitating the transition towards a multi-polar world dominated by multiple voices. Prior to the 2014 Crimea Referendum, polling in 2008 by the Ukrainian Centre for Economic and Political Studies, found that 63.8% of Crimeans (76% of ethnic Russians, 55% of ethnic Ukrainians, and 14% of ethnic Crimean Tatars, respectively) would like Crimea to secede from Ukraine and join Russia. From March 12 – 14, 2014, Germany's largest pollster, the GfK Group, conducted a survey with 600 respondents and found that 70.6% of Crimeans intended to vote for joining Russia, 10.8% for restoring the 1992 constitution, and 5.6% did not intend to take part in the referendum. So it seems the end result is that many Crimeans did took part in the referendum and an overwhelming majority voted for Crimea to join the Russian Federation. SWIFT cannot be trusted when a country can be cut off from it's foreign reserves just like that. The question is why was Brazil punished by the U.S just for supporting the Crimean Referendum where the overwhelming majority (96.77%) voted to join the Russian Federation? The U.S isn't obligated to help anyone, but at the same time, Brazil shouldn't have to sign up with the U.S political stance against Russia in Crimea, what has that even got to do with conducting business in Brazil? The democratic result was the Crimeans voted to join the Russian Federation, then can't Brazil support democracy in Crimea?
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  22916.  @distinctga5811  By your own admission, climate change does affect all, and even Europe is experiencing heat waves, wildfires, floods. India is also one of the top agricultural producers and what affects India would also affect other countries that they export their agricultural produce too. Also, there are mass protests in European cities like Prague (Czech), Leizping (Germany) and Paris (France) over inflation. You said: "The US and other western countries are the primary driver of development in the third world." Take Africa for example, and China has overtaken the US to become the world’s largest foreign direct investor into Africa. China has maintained its position as the largest investor in Africa over the last 10 years by the number of new jobs created (18’562 on average), with a gradual substantial increase of newly created jobs on a yearly basis, according to a report by Swiss-African Business Circle. The report showed that China did on average in the last 10 years 27% of its investments in Africa. The report also ranked the US as the second-largest investor, followed by France, and Turkey, in third and fourth positions, respectively. Didn't I mention earlier that the Russian ruble is literally the best performing currency this year? According to the Russian Economy Minister Maxim Reshetnikov, the Russian economy is set to return to growth on a quarterly basis in late 2022 or 2023. Could you list what are the alternative sources of oil you speak of? You said: "In terms of natural gas it's not about "is there enough" it's "how can you transport it" Take Qatar for example, they have stated that neither Qatar nor any other single country has the capacity to replace Russian gas supplies to Europe with LNG. Most of Qatari volumes are locked into long-term contracts mostly to Asian buyers, the amount of divertable volumes that can be shipped to Europe is only 10-15% according to Qatar's energy minister. Let's get this straight. Oil sellers like Saudi Arabia had indeed implemented a production cap (around 12 million barrels a day) but Russia did not. Also the G7 price cap specifically targets Russian oil then doesn't this goes against the principles of a free market? In a free market, it is market forces that drive prices. As a result, Russia has taken a stance to not sell oil to countries that impose an price cap on its oil, instead they are selling it to other buyers like China and India for example. So if a countries people are continuously protesting against the higher inflation prices, doesn't it mean that its government is unable to deliver what the people want? Also, who said anything about a complete lack of natural gas? Protesting is linked to higher prices is due to a shortage of heating in Europe, so much such that EU countries are considering taking energy-saving measures like shorter hot showers and not setting the temperature above a certain limit.
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  22919.  @distinctga5811  If we look at the history of Crimea, it was never historically part of Ukraine, it was incorporated into the Russian Empire by Catherine the Great in 1983 from the defeated Ottoman Empire. After the dissolution of the Soviet Union, The short-lived Republic of Crimea was founded in 1992, but by 1995 it was forcibly abolished by Ukraine with the Autonomous Republic of Crimea established firmly under Ukrainian authority. Hong Kong was taken from China by Britain. During the 19th century, the British couldn't get enough of Chinese tea, but China did not want what Britain had to offer, so Britain waged two wars with China and force us to open our ports to opium, which China didn't want because it made our people sick. Hong Kong was seized and made into an hub to spread the poison throughout the rest of China. Also, Go and read Taiwan's own constitution, it says that Taiwan is part of China. Since there hasn't been any amendments to its constitution, then by default, Taiwan is part of China under their own constitution. You said: "You can't have it both ways." Personally I don't care about Crimea's status, but if you're of the view that "Crimea belongs to all of Ukraine, not just the people that live there now."_ then likewise, I could also say Taiwan belongs to all of mainland China, not just the people that live there. If Taiwan is to conduction any referendum towards independence, then it should also involve the people of mainland China, due to the fact that Taiwan has been a part of China for the past 100 years (and more). You can't have it both ways. If Brazil is free to do whatever it wants, then it wouldn't have to be forced to sign up with the U.S stance regarding Crimea. What is Crimea even got to do with the U.S policy anyway? If anything, you're just proving that we are indeed living in a uni-polar world dominated by a single voice (that of the U.S and its allies) and it is China and Russia that are facilitating the transition towards a multi-polar world dominated by multiple voices.
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  22930.  @distinctga5811  How is the U.S morally superior both in the present and historically to China? U.S was built upon the backs of slaves imported from Africa, and by causing genocide of Native Americans and occupation of their lands even till today, how is this morally superior historically? Even today, the U.S is involved in wars in the Middle East. Research conducted by the Jang Group and Geo Television Network revealed that the U.S has been at war for 92% of its entire life. Since it's inception in 1776, the U.S has only been at peace for 15 years out of 244 years. China has invested over $70 billion in Africa over the last five years, making it the continent’s largest investor with 287 projects. As a result, many African countries tend toward a favorable view of China, viewing China’s economic and political influence on their countries favorably, saying it’s “somewhat positive” or “very positive.” The survey, which was carried out by Afrobarometer, a Ghana-based pan-African nonprofit and research network, polled 48,084 respondents from 34 countries. You said: "yes India faces some very serious challenges, but at the very least they won't be cut off from the rest of the world like China is a bout to be." This appears to be merely your own speculation of China being cut off from the rest of the world, but everyone knows that China is too deeply integrated into global supply chains and that decoupling is virtually impossible. Furthermore, like China, India also did not condemn Russia, so this might be taken negatively in the West as India being on Russia's side.
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  22931.  @distinctga5811  How is the U.S morally superior both in the present and historically to China? U.S caused genocide of Native Americans and occupy their lands even till today, how is this morally superior historically? Even today, the U.S is involved in wars in the Middle East. Research conducted by the Jang Group and Geo Television Network revealed that the U.S has been at war for 92% of its entire life. Since it's inception in 1776, the U.S has only been at peace for 15 years out of 244 years. China has invested over $70 billion in Africa over the last five years, making it the continent’s largest investor with 287 projects. As a result, many African countries tend toward a favorable view of China, viewing China’s economic and political influence on their countries favorably, saying it’s “somewhat positive” or “very positive.” The survey, which was carried out by Afrobarometer, a Ghana-based pan-African nonprofit and research network, polled 48,084 respondents from 34 countries. You said: "yes India faces some very serious challenges, but at the very least they won't be cut off from the rest of the world like China is a bout to be." This appears to be merely your own speculation of China being cut off from the rest of the world, but everyone knows that China is too deeply integrated into global supply chains and that decoupling is virtually impossible. Furthermore, like China, India also did not condemn Russia, so this might be taken negatively in the West as India being on Russia's side.
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  22934.  @distinctga5811  Printing is a process for mass reproducing text and images using a master form or template. The earliest known form of printing as applied to paper was woodblock printing, which appeared in China before 220 AD for cloth printing. If not for Chinese invention of printing, then books and other publications would not be as widespread as they are today, that's why it's regarded as one of China's Four Great Inventions. You said: "Guns are the accomplishment." Handcannons and guns too were invented in China. The world's oldest surviving firearm is the Heilongjiang (黑龙江) hand cannon which dated to 1288. It was discovered at a site in modern-day Acheng District where the History of Yuan records that battles were fought at that time. It weighs 3.55 kg (7.83 pounds) and is 34 centimeters (13.4 inches) long. The cannon currently resides at the Heilongjiang Provincial Museum in Harbin, China. It's true that before the invention of the Compass, people navigated through other means such as using the Sun and the Stars. But on cloudy days where the Sun and Stars are not visible, the compass provided a reliable method to determine directions and reduce the chances of getting lost, and now navigators all over the world use the compass after its invention in China. The Egyptians had papyrus which is not the same as paper. Paper has since overtaken papyrus as the choice material for writing on. Besides inventing paper, Chinese also invented the paper banknote which proved more popular to carry around than metal coinage or precious stones. You said: "It's interesting that you refer to these as "The Four Great Inventions". These are all fairly simple things that are emulated in different forms throughout the world." Because they are great inventions that revolutionized the world. They only appear simple today, but back then, they certainly weren't simple. The Greeks and Romans created flammable combinations but just aren't the same as Gunpowder. Paper is not the same as papyrus, and the compass could be used when skies were not visible due to cloud cover or bad weather. Printing was invented in China whether you like it not. I mean, take the crossbow for example, it's a simple invention but it was invented in China because archaeologists have uncovered crossbow mechanisms made of bronze dating back to 7th century BC. The invention of the crossbow allowed untrained peasants to face off against well-trained archers during the medieval period.
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  22935.  @distinctga5811  You said: "An child could presume this, however you seem to lack the intelligence of a child." So all you have is a child's presumption and no concrete evidence? Then you could very well be wrong on your presumptions that Google is far ahead of their 2019 mark, whereas China's quantum computer, Zuchongzhi 2, which is a 66-qubit programmable superconducting quantum computer is an incredible 10 million times faster than Google's 55-qubit Sycamore, making China's new machine the fastest in the world, and the first to beat Google's in two years. You said: "IBM, who will exceed 1000 qubits in 2023." There's no guarantee that IBM will achieve that by 2023, it just falls into your speculation. You said: "神州 Shenzhou China's treatment of their Islamic minorities to the West is broadly condemned and a valid justification for sanctions" If you're referring to Xinjiang, then ambassadors from 65 countries have voice support to China's position on Xinjiang and issued a joint statement at UN Human Rights Council. compared to the 44 countries that don't support China's stance. You said: "神州 Shenzhou Canada is not too far from Europe to ship oil." How is Canada going to ship oil to Europe in amounts that can rival Russia? Russia delivers gas to Europe through pipeline, which is cheap and continuous, whereas Canada would need to send tankers and this is going to mean more expensive energy for European countries. You said: "Yes, Europe is decreasing it's disposable income for the general population to help Ukraine." For what? Ukraine isn't even a NATO member for crying out loud, yet the ordinary West Europeans have to suffer rising inflation and lower their disposable income? No wonder why there are protests against inflation erupting across Europe, in Czech Republic, Germany and France. There are gas rationing measures such as reducing hot shower duration and capping maximum temperature for water heaters. And the very idea of a European price cap on Russian oil is worsening the situation, because Russia no longer wants to sell its oil to countries that impose a price cap (which goes against the principles of free market, in which prices are left to market forces to determine).
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  22936.  @distinctga5811  You said: "An child could presume this, however you seem to lack the intelligence of a child." So all you have is a child's presumption and no concrete evidence? Then you could very well be wrong on your presumptions that Google is far ahead of their 2019 mark, You said: "IBM, who will exceed 1000 qubits in 2023." There's no guarantee that IBM will achieve that by 2023, it just falls into your speculation. You said: "神州 Shenzhou China's treatment of their Islamic minorities to the West is broadly condemned and a valid justification for sanctions" If you're referring to Xinjiang, then ambassadors from 65 countries have voice support to China's position on Xinjiang and issued a joint statement at UN Human Rights Council. compared to the 44 countries that don't support China's stance. You said: "神州 Shenzhou Canada is not too far from Europe to ship oil." How is Canada going to ship oil to Europe in amounts that can rival Russia? Russia delivers gas to Europe through pipeline, which is cheap and continuous, whereas Canada would need to send tankers and this is going to mean more expensive energy for European countries. You said: "Yes, Europe is decreasing it's disposable income for the general population to help Ukraine." For what? Ukraine isn't even a NATO member for crying out loud, yet the ordinary West Europeans have to suffer rising inflation and lower their disposable income? No wonder why there are protests against inflation erupting across Europe, in Czech Republic, Germany and France. There are gas rationing measures such as reducing hot shower duration and capping maximum temperature for water heaters. And the very idea of a European price cap on Russian oil is worsening the situation, because Russia no longer wants to sell its oil to countries that impose a price cap (which goes against the principles of free market, in which prices are left to market forces to determine).
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  22938.  @distinctga5811  You said: "An child could presume this, however you seem to lack the intelligence of a child." So all you have is a child's presumption and no concrete evidence? Then you could very well be wrong on your presumptions that Google is far ahead of their 2019 mark. You said: "IBM, who will exceed 1000 qubits in 2023." There's no guarantee that IBM will achieve that by 2023, it just falls into your speculation. You said: "神州 Shenzhou China's treatment of their Islamic minorities to the West is broadly condemned and a valid justification for sanctions" If you're referring to Xinjiang, even though 44 countries have raised concerns towards Xinjiang, this has been dismissed by 65 countries —led by Belarus—that sided with Beijing over Xinjiang issues. You said: "神州 Shenzhou Canada is not too far from Europe to ship oil." How is Canada going to ship oil to Europe in amounts that can rival Russia? Russia delivers gas to Europe through pipeline, which is cheap and continuous, whereas Canada would need to send tankers and this is going to mean more expensive energy for European countries. You said: "Yes, Europe is decreasing it's disposable income for the general population to help Ukraine." For what? Ukraine isn't even a NATO member for crying out loud, yet the ordinary West Europeans have to suffer rising inflation and lower their disposable income? No wonder why there are protests against inflation erupting across Europe, in Czech Republic, Germany and France. There are gas rationing measures such as reducing hot shower duration and capping maximum temperature for water heaters. And the very idea of a European price cap on Russian oil is worsening the situation, because Russia no longer wants to sell its oil to countries that impose a price cap (which goes against the principles of free market, in which prices are left to market forces to determine).
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  22939.  @distinctga5811  So all you have is a child's presumption and no concrete evidence? Then you could very well be wrong on your presumptions that Google is far ahead of their 2019 mark, whereas China's quantum computer, Zuchongzhi 2, which is a 66-qubit programmable superconducting quantum computer is an incredible 10 million times faster than Google's 55-qubit Sycamore, making China's new machine the fastest in the world, and the first to beat Google's in two years. You said: "IBM, who will exceed 1000 qubits in 2023." There's no guarantee that IBM will achieve that by 2023, it just falls into your speculation. You said: "神州 Shenzhou China's treatment of their Islamic minorities to the West is broadly condemned and a valid justification for sanctions" If you're referring to Xinjiang, then ambassadors from 65 countries have voice support to China's position on Xinjiang and issued a joint statement at UN Human Rights Council. compared to the 44 countries that don't support China's stance. You said: "神州 Shenzhou Canada is not too far from Europe to ship oil." How is Canada going to ship oil to Europe in amounts that can rival Russia? Russia delivers gas to Europe through pipeline, which is cheap and continuous, whereas Canada would need to send tankers and this is going to mean more expensive energy for European countries. You said: "Yes, Europe is decreasing it's disposable income for the general population to help Ukraine." For what? Ukraine isn't even a NATO member for crying out loud, yet the ordinary West Europeans have to suffer rising inflation and lower their disposable income? No wonder why there are protests against inflation erupting across Europe, in Czech Republic, Germany and France. There are gas rationing measures such as reducing hot shower duration and capping maximum temperature for water heaters. And the very idea of a European price cap on Russian oil is worsening the situation, because Russia no longer wants to sell its oil to countries that impose a price cap (which goes against the principles of free market, in which prices are left to market forces to determine).
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  22940.  @distinctga5811  So all you have is a presumption by a child and no concrete evidence? Then you could very well be wrong on your presumptions that Google is far ahead of their 2019 mark. You said: "IBM, who will exceed 1000 qubits in 2023." There's no guarantee that IBM will achieve that by 2023, it just falls into your speculation. You said: "神州 Shenzhou China's treatment of their Islamic minorities to the West is broadly condemned and a valid justification for sanctions" If you're referring to Xinjiang, even though 44 countries have raised concerns towards Xinjiang, this has been dismissed by 65 countries —led by Belarus—that sided with Beijing over Xinjiang issues. You said: "神州 Shenzhou Canada is not too far from Europe to ship oil." How is Canada going to ship oil to Europe in amounts that can rival Russia? Russia delivers gas to Europe through pipeline, which is cheap and continuous, whereas Canada would need to send tankers and this is going to mean more expensive energy for European countries. You said: "Yes, Europe is decreasing it's disposable income for the general population to help Ukraine." For what? Ukraine isn't even a NATO member for crying out loud, yet the ordinary West Europeans have to suffer rising inflation and lower their disposable income? No wonder why there are protests against inflation erupting across Europe, in Czech Republic, Germany and France. There are gas rationing measures such as reducing hot shower duration and capping maximum temperature for water heaters. And the very idea of a European price cap on Russian oil is worsening the situation, because Russia no longer wants to sell its oil to countries that impose a price cap (which goes against the principles of free market, in which prices are left to market forces to determine).
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  22947.  @distinctga5811  China is not interested in spreading our ideology unlike the Soviet Union with communism (or the U.S with democracy). President Xi has stated that China's model is not for export, nor will China import other countries model. “We will not import other countries’ models, and will not export the China model,” Xi said. “We will provide more opportunities for the world through our development,” he said." Also are the U.S wars justifiable? Former President Bush had invaded Iraq on suspicion of harboring Weapons of Mass Destruction, but after the Iraq War, no WMDs were ever found in Iraq. The Iraq Body Count project recorded that some 200,000 Iraqi civilians were killed as a result of the U.S war in Iraq. Also the UN Secretary General Kofi Annan stated that the Iraq War was illegal and violated UN Charter. Whether a country likes U.S or not, doesn't change the fact that China has overtaken the U.S to become the largest foreign direct investor in Africa. Germany, Russia, Turkey and Mexico, a majority of people say that they have a negative view of the U.S. Whether you think Dictatorship or Democracy is better, it should be for the countries themselves to choose, not the U.S invading and imposing their brand of democracy onto other countries. Take Afghanistan for example and the U.S's democratic experiment ended in failure with the shambolic withdrawal of the U.S from Kabul after 20 years and pouring trillions of dollars into Afghanistan. The democratically elected Afghan President Ghani fled the country with carloads of U.S cash, while the 300,000 strong Afghan Army surrendered to the Taliban in weeks with minimal resistance. About ethnic cleansing in China, the population of ethnic minorities (i.e Tibetans, Uighurs, Mongolians, Manchu, etc) in China actually grew over the years, because ethnic minorities aren't subject to the One Child Policy (unlike Han) so they can have as many kids as they want. The proportion of Ethnic population in China has grown from 6.1% in 1953, to 8.04% in 1990, 8.41% in 2000, and 8.49% in 2010 and 8.89% in 2020, so what ethnic cleansing are you talking about? Also, the U.S stayed mostly out of WWII due to its policy of isolation, and they only joined in WWII against Japan because Pearl Harbor as bombed, not for China's sake. In total, China fought Japan for 14 years (1931-1945) with 11 years alone, while the U.S fought Japan for 3 years (1942-1945) with Chinese aid. And it was the USSR that not only suffered the most deaths out of WWII, but the USSR also inflicted the most damage onto the Germans.
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  22953.  @distinctga5811  If you claim Taiwan is an independent country, then why is it that Taiwan cannot join the United Nations? Is there some force preventing Taiwan from joining the UN like an independent country can? Thus far, Taiwan has not made any amendments to their constitution, signifying a departure from their stance of someday retaking the mainland. And neither has Taiwan made any formal declaration of independence, so by default, Taiwan is part of China according to their own constitution. If Taiwan was independent, then why is it athletes from Taiwan can only compete in the Olympics under the name "Chinese Taipei"? Since you've acknowledged the U.S acknowledging the One China Policy that means you support the fact that Taiwan is part of China and that the U.S does not seek to challenge this position. Also, the U.S is not committed to peaceful reunification if they are sending officials to visit the island to inflame tensions along the Taiwan strait. President Xi offered to extend the 1 Country, 2 Systems policy to include Taiwan, allowing them to keep their government, their elections, their passport, currency and even keep their military, but be considered as having reunified with the mainland. This is the best course of action for reunification, but if Taiwan rejects it, then what is their proposal for the reunification process? Hong Kong clearly benefited from the 1 Country, 2 Systems policy, they have their own separate government, separate currency, passport, etc, so what abuse are you talking about? Hong Kong was previously taken from China and made into a British colony. During the 19th century, the British couldn't get enough of Chinese tea, but China did not want what the West had to offer, so the British waged two wars with China and force us to buy opium from them at gunpoint, which we didn't want because it made our people sick. Hong Kong was taken and made into a hub to spread the addiction throughout the rest of China. Only in 1997 was Hong Kong finally returned back to China, yet even then, China had to sign a Sino-British Declaration just for them to return what was originally ours. Taiwan is the mainland's core interest, so PRC will definitely go to war if necessary. But as currently there is no need to (since the U.S agree to the One China policy) then the PRC will only employ the military option once all peaceful options have been exhausted. Taiwan is NOT the U.S's core interest. Taiwan didn't even make onto a list of America's Top 10 concerns, so it's unlikely that USA will go to war with China over an island (like they haven't done with Russia over Ukraine). Most Americans are sick of war and would like their government to address local issues rather than intervene in other country's internal affairs.
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  22955.  @distinctga5811  Cantonese in Hong Kong clearly have their own government separate from the mainland and Beijing does not cast any votes in Hong Kong's elections. For example, the Hong Kong Chief Executive Carrie Lam won the 2017 election garnering 777 out of 1200 votes, and all Beijing does is appoint the Chief Executive that Hong Kongers vote for. The Tibetans themselves signed the Seventeen Point Agreement for the Peaceful Liberation of Tibet (Chinese: 中央人民政府和西藏地方政府关于和平解放西藏办法的协议; Tibetan: བོད་ཞི་བས་བཅིངས་འགྲོལ་འབྱུང་ཐབས་སྐོར་གྱི་གྲོས་མཐུན་དོན་ཚན་བཅུ་བདུན་) in 1951, thus affirming Chinese sovereignty over Tibet. So there's this legally binding agreement signed by the Tibetan's themselves acknowledging that Tibet is a part of China. Even countries all over the world today recognize Tibet as part of China, since when you draw the Map of PRC 🇨🇳, Tibet is included as part of China. Tiananmen Square was where Chairman Mao proclaimed the founding of the People's Republic of China 🇨🇳 back in 1949, who says our own people didn't decide for ourselves? Do you actually have evidence that the Uighurs are in concentration camps? The U.S fabricated the Nayirah Testimony, as well as the claims of WMDs in Iraq, now their latest target is China, so they come up with claims of Uighurs being in concentration camps when there is solid proof. The issue was submitted to the International Criminal Court, but the court has asked for more evidence before it will be willing to open an investigation into claims of genocide against Uighur people by China.
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  22957.  @distinctga5811  U.S could have been preparing to enter the war, but the fact remains that the U.S only joined China against Japan after Pearl Harbor was bombed. Remember, the Japanese invaded Manchuria in 1931 (8 years earlier than WWII) and the Americans were content to let the Japanese occupy more and more Chinese territory. China fought Japan for 14 years, of course there will be Chinese territory that's occupied by Japan e.g Manchuria for example. But China wasn't defeated by the Japanese, because China wasn't fully conquered, so why are you deliberately looking down on Chinese contributions to the war? Why are you laughing (i.e HAHAHA) at Chinese aiding the U.S during WW2? China had kept the Japanese occupied and caused them to overextend themselves. Like I said, China had been fighting Japan for 14 years (1931-1945), compared to the U.S fighting for just 3 years (1942-1945). Remember, the U.S was initially practicing a policy of isolation so while the Soviets suffered immense casualties and damage to their economy, the U.S was relatively unscathed. I mean, if your country wasn't involved in the war (like the U.S before Pearl Harbor) then of course your economy can develop while European and Asian economies suffered during WWII. Also, the U.S was far from the war in Europe and Asia, so of course U.S didn't suffer as many casualties as Russia and China did. Also, the Soviets inflicted the most damage onto the Germans than their Western counterparts, accounting for 76 percent of Germany’s military dead. Also the very last battle fought of WWII was the Soviet Invasion of Japanese-occupied Manchuria in Aug 1945, that finally caused the Japanese to surrender at the end of WWII. So if anything, we should be thanking the Communists for putting an end to WWII.
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  22959.  @distinctga5811  Both the Republic of China 🇹🇼 and the People's Republic of China 🇨🇳 agree on the One China Policy that Taiwan is part of China. They may be separate entities, but NOT separate countries, even the 1972 Shanghai Communique pledged that the United States acknowledges that all Chinese on either side of the Taiwan Strait maintain there is but one China and that Taiwan is a part of China and that the United States Government does not challenge that position. ... Source: Wikipedia: Shanghai Communique (Also, the U.K does not have to declare independence from U.S, but the reverse is true, that the U.S needs to declare independence from the U.K. Taiwan thus far has not made any amendments to its constitution, so by default, Taiwan is part of China under their own constitution.) The U.S does not support peaceful reunification, because if it did, the U.S won't be sending warships and aircraft carriers across the Pacific Ocean to the Taiwan Straits. The U.S is clearly stoking tensions this way, and even by sending U.S officials to visit the island (and such officials even support Taiwan independence). The brother-and-sister analogy is inaccurate, given that Taiwan is more a family member of China than of the U.S, and it's the U.S that's interfering with Taiwan's reunification with the mainland. Mainlanders are taught that the people of Taiwan are our brothers and sisters, whereas the Americans certainly do not consider Taiwan as their family members. You said: "These visits are a response to hostile behavior." Remember that it is those visits that trigered the mainland response in the first place. President Xi had phoned President Biden on the consequences of the House of Speakers visit to the island, and yet the U.S allowed the visit to take place. This shows that the U.S is not committed to peaceful reunification, if it was, they would avoid taking actions that inflame tension in the Taiwan strait.
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  22960.  @distinctga5811  Chinese government did not violate the Sino-British Declaration by allowing Hong Kong to vote for individuals that Beijing chose. According to Hong Kong Basic Law Article 45 (香港基本法第四十五條): "The Chief Executive of the Hong Kong Special Administrative Region shall be selected by election or through consultations held locally and be appointed by the Central People's Government." - Article 45, Hong Kong Basic Law Therefore, the Central People's Government (aka Beijing) reserves the right to appoint the Hong Kong Chief Executive, and this does not violate the Sino-British Declaration, as this was written in to Hong Kong Basic Law. Also, the fact remains that the people of Hong Kong get to vote for their favorite leaders, while Beijing does not cast any votes in Hong Kong's elections. You said: "By doing so Beijing was able to put into power a leadership that passed laws which allow Beijing to impose the laws of the mainland onto Hong Kong" You can still do things in Hong Kong that are not allowed in the mainland. For example, Falun Dafa is forbidden in mainland China, while it is still allowed in Hong Kong. Not all of mainland China's laws apply in Hong Kong, for example the Great Chinese Firewall does not cover Hong Kong and the people there can access YouTube, Facebook, Google, without the need for a VPN. The only law imposed is that Hong Kong is part of China, which makes up the One Country part of the One Country, Two Systems policy. You said: "effectively demolishing any separation between the two systems(this is what caused the mass protests)." If you're referring to the 2019 Hong Kong protests, it was because of an extradition bill proposed by Hong Kong Chief Executive Carrie Lam over a extradition case. A Hong Kong man (named Chan) had strangled his pregnant girlfriend (named Poon) in Taiwan, and flew back to Hong Kong while leaving her body behind for the Taiwan authorities to discover. Taiwan wanted to extradite this Hong Kong murderer to face justice for his crimes, but Hong Kong realized that there is no extradition process with Taiwan. Furthermore, since the crime occurred outside of Hong Kong, the Hong Kong courts are powerless to convict Chan (who has since confessed) and there is no justice for the victim's family. That's why Carrie Lam proposed the Hong Kong Extradition Bill to cover up this legal loophole. Yet the Hong Kong protestors started rioting even though they haven't read the bill and understood its contents in their entirety. So how is this related to the mainland? You said: "You are either disconnected with what is going on in Hong Kong" You don't even know what caused the 2019 Hong Kong riots, it was an extradition bill with Taiwan, yet you blame mainland China for it? You said: "...or don't understand what it means to have two systems or to be a democracy." Hong Kong clearly has a separate government, and the people hold elections to vote for their favorite leaders, then how is Hong Kong not a democracy? You're the one that seems to lack understanding of Hong Kong, yet you turn around and accuse me of being disconnected?
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  22961.  @distinctga5811  You said: "The very rule over Hong Kong in the past condones the British conquest of the island because each acquisition was through force." So you agreed that Britain's conquest of the island was made through force. But Hong Kong was eventually returned to PRC in peace during the 1997 Hong Kong handover. Then why is it that you refuse to accept the fact that Hong Kong is part of China today? You said: "Also, the British took Hong Kong from the Qing dynasty if I'm not mistaken, not the PRC and turned it into a prosperous democratic financial center in East Asia." You're mistaken then. Previously before 1997, Hong Kong was under the authoritarian colonial rule of Britain, during which no elections were held by the people of Hong Kong. Hong Kong was a Crown colony of the United Kingdom and maintained an administration roughly modelled after the Westminster system. The Governor of Hong Kong was appointed by the British monarch to serve as the representative of the Crown in the colony. T Hong Kong only became a democracy during the period of the 1997 handover, when the One Country, Two Systems policy was established to allow Hong Kong people to vote for their favorite leaders. So isn't it thanks to mainland China that Hong Kong finally have democracy when they had none before? For 150 years as a British colony? You said: "The Cantonese don't want to be apart of the mainland." I think you meant to say "The Cantonese don't want to be apart from the mainland." I mean, Cantonese literally live in the mainland, the place called Canton (now Guangzhou) where the Cantonese come from is literally in mainland China.
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  22962.  @distinctga5811  U.S is fighting Russia down to the very last drop of Ukrainian blood. They will do the same with Taiwanese blood. Right now, the PRC is committed to peaceful reunification with Taiwan (since there is currently no outbreak of war in the Taiwan Strait). Whether they identifying as Taiwanese or Chinese doesn't change the fact that Taiwan is part of China, it's like people in Shanghai identifying as Shanghainese (上海人) but regardless, Shanghai is still part of China, much like Taiwan is. When it comes to declaring independence, the polls indicate that only a minority (5.6%) of the people of Taiwan want independence, the overwhelming majority (87%) want the status quo to continue. And the status quo according to Taiwan's constitution is that Taiwan is part of China. Any move to declare independence would be seen as changing the status quo, an outcome that the majority of the people of Taiwan do not support. You said: "I guarantee that Taiwan will never choose to join the PRC." Taiwan's ability to stubbornly hold out stems from (perceived) U.S support. But it's no secret that the U.S is in decline and China is rising. As long as peace prevails, the U.S will eventually decline to the point where they can no longer afford to challenge China's rise, by which Taiwan's backing would evaporate, and reunification becomes inevitable. You said: "神州 Shenzhou The US saved Kuwait and Iraq from the rule of a brutal dictator. This is a fact that you run from." That's just your way to justify U.S involvement in wars in Iraq, using false testimonies like Nayirah's incubator testimony, and also claims of WMDs in Iraq when no WMDs were ever found. The Iraq Body Count recorded some 200,000 Iraqi civilian deaths as a result of the Iraq War, and even UN Secretary General Kofi Annan said the Iraq War was illegal and violated UN Charter. I suggest you watch the documentary: The Warmonger's Legacy to find out the truth about American wars. Also, Libya under Muammar Gaddafi was arguably Africa's most prosperous democracy until the U.S invasion reduced Libya to a shadow of its former self.
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  22963.  @distinctga5811  U.S is fighting Russia down to the very last Ukrainian. They will do the same with the Taiwanese. Right now, the PRC is committed to peaceful reunification with Taiwan (since there is currently no outbreak of war in the Taiwan Strait). Whether they identifying as Taiwanese or Chinese doesn't change the fact that Taiwan is part of China, it's like people in Shanghai identifying as Shanghainese (上海人) but regardless, Shanghai is still part of China, much like Taiwan is. When it comes to declaring independence, the polls indicate that only a minority (5.6%) of the people of Taiwan want independence, the overwhelming majority (87%) want the status quo to continue. And the status quo according to Taiwan's constitution is that Taiwan is part of China. Any move to declare independence would be seen as changing the status quo, an outcome that the majority of the people of Taiwan do not support. You said: "I guarantee that Taiwan will never choose to join the PRC." Taiwan's ability to stubbornly hold out stems from (perceived) U.S support. But it's no secret that the U.S is in decline and China is rising. As long as peace prevails, the U.S will eventually decline to the point where they can no longer afford to challenge China's rise, by which Taiwan's backing would evaporate, and reunification becomes inevitable. You said: "神州 Shenzhou The US saved Kuwait and Iraq from the rule of a brutal dictator. This is a fact that you run from." That's just your way to justify U.S involvement in wars in Iraq, using false testimonies like Nayirah's incubator testimony, and also claims of WMDs in Iraq when no WMDs were ever found. The Iraq Body Count recorded some 200,000 Iraqi civilian deaths as a result of the Iraq War, and even UN Secretary General Kofi Annan said the Iraq War was illegal and violated UN Charter. I suggest you watch the documentary: The Warmonger's Legacy to find out the truth about American wars. Also, Libya under Muammar Gaddafi was arguably Africa's most prosperous democracy until the U.S invasion reduced Libya to a shadow of its former self.
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  23001.  @Andy-P  You said: "Mediacorp is a Singaporean public broadcast service - with obvious CCP connections. Selective Chinese commentators do not give the complete story." Do you have evidence that Mediacorp has connections to the Communist Party of China? Also, the statement I quoted was made by Ray Chou, a Research Fellow at Institute of Economics, Academia Sinica in Taiwan, so what has Mediacorp even got to do with what the research fellow said? You said: "Taiwan is a world leader in semi conductors." List of countries/regions by integrated circuit exports in 2019 1. Hong Kong, China ($134,483 million) 2. Mainland China ($102,187 million) 3. Taiwan, China ($100,408 million) 4. South Korea ($79,082 million) 5. Singapore ($76,868 million) 6. Malaysia ($44,794 million) 7. United States ($40,099 million) 8. Japan ($27,791 million) 9. Vietnam ($26,084 million) 10. Philippines (18,991 million) ... Source: Wikipedia: List of countries by integrated circuit exports You said: "It's people are far wealthier than those of China." List of countries by number of billionaires as per Forbes (March 2022) 1. United States (735) 2. Mainland China (539) 3. India (166) 4. Germany (134) 5. Russia (83) 6. Hong Kong, China (67) 7. Canada (64) 8. Brazil (62) 9. Italy (52) 10. Taiwan, China (51) ... Source: Wikipedia: List of countries by number of billionaires You said: "The CCP could get people to say the UK was better under authoritarian government (pax britanica) than the democracy it experinces today." A hypothetical scenario yes, but what has that got to do with the discussion?
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  23117.  @DrakeLimOfficial  If Chinese mainlanders were uncouth, Singaporean tourists were at one time infamous for bad behaviour themselves, such as littering, spitting in public, jumping queues, hoarding food at buffets, stealing hotel soap, shampoo, bedsheets, etc. Such behaviour is expected as a developing country starts becoming more developed. About cheap labour, Singaporean wages increased, that's why foreign workers were called into do work that many Singaporeans themselves find unattractive, such as construction work, menial labour, driving taxis, buses, trains. It's actually thanks to these immigrant workers who keep Singapore's development and day-to-day activities running and affordable. Who's going to drive your buses and public transport if Singaporeans themselves don't want such jobs or demand a higher pay (translating into increased bus fares for commuters) Singaporeans should be thanking foreign workers for keeping transport fares down, yet they house workers in cramped dormitories (leading to spread of Covid-19)? Similar to Singapore, Hong Kong was also a British colony, yet after the 1997 handover back to mainland China, some Hong Kongers still retain the "colonized" mindset, worshipping their previous colonial masters especially during the HK riots where the United States Flag 🇺🇸 and United Kingdom Flag 🇬🇧 could be seen waving among the crowds. I just find it strange that Singapore is historically a country of immigrants themselves, yet houses immigrants in cramped worker dormitories and thinks that they are stealing jobs (when in reality, Singaporean wages have risen and many aren't willing to do the jobs that foreign workers are willing to do) and that Singapore tourists too, had their historical phase of uncouth behaviour. Singaporeans even have a coined a name for this sort of unsightly Singaporean behaviour themselves.
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  23118.  @DrakeLimOfficial  If you can bring up Chinese mainlanders being uncouth 2-3 decades ago, then similarly, can't I bring up examples of the same for Singaporean behaviour in the past? In the past many Singaporeans used to litter, spit in public, cut queues, hoarding food at buffets, stealing hotel soap, shampoo, especially peeing in lifts was a problem in the past, until Singapore government had to impose fines on littering, spitting in public, etc. There was even a Courtesy Campaign in Singapore to improve the behaviour of Singaporeans. I don't get upset when you talk about unruly mainland Chinese behavior in the past, yet why do you get so upset over me talking about unsightly Singaporean behaviour in the past? You can talk about bad Chinese behaviours in the past, can't I do the same for Singaporeans? Like I said, such behaviour is to be expected as a developing country starts becoming more developed. What are some examples of foreigners taking up high positions in Singapore? If the HR department of that company you worked for decides to delete/erase Singaporean resumes, that's terrible and you should be blaming the company itself, not the foreign workers/talent who were hired in the first place. Why the anti-foreigner sentiment when it was those companies that discriminated during hiring? Menial labour like construction workers, hawkers, food vendors, or service jobs like bus drivers, train operators, waiters, etc aren't jobs that most Singaporeans want to do, (or their wages are higher than foreign workers) The fact that foreign workers are housed in cramp worker dormitories clearly doesn't show Singaporeans appreciation of foreign workers. Do you ever see Singaporeans by themselves (not from a social organisation) going out of their way to offer appreciation to construction workers? Like say the average Singapore student or office worker showing appreciation to construction workers? …… You asked "What's the point of airing other people's dirty laundering when you are not that holy yourself?" Excuse me, you're the one who first brought up Chinese mainlanders unruly behavior in the past, but when I bring up Singaporeans unsightly behaviour in the past, you're accusing me of airing dirty laundry? I even stated that that's part of a phase that developing countries go through to become more developed.
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  23228. TEJAS TAMBAT Why don't you claim that you people are under Western propaganda then? Cantonese is Chinese dialect just like Mandarin, so why are you treating it like a different language altogether? To you, everyone else is brainwashed is that it? Even people of Kashmir? The Indian Army is continuing to rape Muslim women in Kashmir even till today with impunity, so why would they want to be part of India? North East India has separatists movements in Tripura and Manipur, but you just refuse to face reality that's all. When did I associate India's movements with Tiananmen incident? And in Hong Kong, it was HK authorities that deal with protestors so what has that got to do with Tiananmen at all? The PLA are not involved in HK protests. The Umbrella Movement is consist of only about 100,000 participants, mostly HK students and graduates who can't find jobs, so what makes you think it represent the views of all 7,000,000 HK citizens? Those students are idealistic and live in textbooks with lots of free time, so they can gather to protest, but those working adult people with families to support, aren't interested so they ignore these protestors. HK electrical grid is interconnected with the China Southern Power Grid of Mainland China, importing 23% of its total electricity needs from generating facilities with CLP's equity situated in the mainland. So how is HK even independent of China electrically? And HK doesn't even have an army, a navy and an airforce of its own, so how do you even expect HK to become independent here? What about HK water supply? HK import water from China all the time, but China never exercised the "water weapon" in our relationship with Hong Kong. You don't even think of HK real situation here. Trump recognize One-China policy, as does India, Russia, UK, Europe, and many of the world's major countries. Go ask US President Trump, Russian President Vladmir Putin, Indian PM Narendra Modi, German Chancellor Angela Merkel, etc whether they acknowledge One-China policy, and they will say yes. Since you claim UN resolution that No country can directly interfere in another country's internal matter, means that you recognize HK, Tibet, Taiwan are all internally part of China, isn't it?
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  23229. +TEJAS TAMBAT Not once did you even acknowledged that "Cantonese is Chinese dialect" at all in your previous comments. You clearly didn't said "Cantonese might be Chinese dialect" at all in your previous comments so why are you mocking my use of English language when you can't even read what your wrote previously? Who is the laughingstock here when your English standard is not even good enough to mock other people? Wikipedia is still a source that draws upon other sources for information. If sources are untrue or unverified than Wikipedia will remove it. What about the Kunan Poshspora incident occurred on February 23, 1991, when the Indian army raped up to 150 people on Kunan and Poshpora? This source is written by Indian so what do you have to say about that? Source: Politics of rape in Kashmir thehindu.com/opinion/lead/lead-article-politics-of-rape-in-kashmir/article6909603.ece#! It was precisely during IPKF intervention in Sri Lanka during its civil war, that the mass raping of Sri Lankan women occurred. Even your 1989 Valvettithurai massacre source said that this period also saw huge loss of civilian life, claimed rapes and number of instances of mass massacres, so why do you keep denying the rapes? The following articles highlights the plight of women as victims of Indian Army. Source: The wounds of war indianexpress.com/article/lifestyle/books/the-wounds-of-war/ Those aren't examples of PLA troop raping HK, Taiwan or Tibetans. The PLA troop that raped Vietnamese has been dismissed from PLA and punished according to Chinese laws. And the soldiers in PAP were sadly Tibetans themselves. These are all isolated cases done by individuals with single witnesses, unlike the mass rape crimes committed by the Indian Army openly, with multiple witnesses. Mao's Great Leap Forward has been openly criticised by the communist party, and Mao Zedong even made self-criticism himself and stepped down from being state chairman. Those people weren't intentionally massacred, instead they died due to unfortunate mass famine caused by the Great Chinese Famine in 1959, which was partially due to the poor weather. According to the following source, China's population in 1950 was 598,574,241 and in 1960 it was 644,450,173, so are you saying that during GLF, China's population fell by 40 million, but grew by 80 million afterwards? Source: Population of China 1950 populationpyramid.net/china/1950/ I have shown that at the most 100,000 HK people protested during umbrella movement. Otherwise, what is the exact figure you claim then? No where does it show that all 7,000,000 HK people participated in the umbrella movement, so how can you claim all HK people agree with the movement then? According to your source, the movement is considered very much a student movement, so does it represent the working HK adult or the ones married with kids and working in HK? Students live in textbooks and tend to be idealistic in nature, without knowledge of ongoing world events. Once these students graduate, find jobs, find an apartment to settle down, then they will finally understand what makes the world go round. I have shown that HK depends on the mainland for water, gas, electricity, and as a market to export and import goods, as well as on the PLA for protection. There are of course many other factors to consider if HK wants full independence (such as having enough food to feed its population, etc) What makes you think India or USA will even ally with Hong Kong then? India recognize Tibet and Taiwan as part of China, so it means it will ally with Hong Kong against China? Right now, Hong Kong enjoys loans from the Chinese mainland at much lower interest than India, so why would it want to break its loans with China for India's? How do you know HK has allies like Vietnam, Philippines, etc? If HK has small army, then it will be unable to defend itself from all those countries. I mean, Singapore can survive because it has one of the most advanced army in South East Asia to deter invaders. For HK to survive it will also need a strong enough army. In the HK army, who will form the troops? HK students will have to enlist in the army, which will undoubtedly be as unpopular as when Singapore enlist its soldiers. And where does HK even get the money to afford all these new tanks, fighter jets and ships themselves, if their economy is in a slump? -US President Trump has affirmed One-China Policy, meaning they recognize Taiwan as part of China. -The Tibetan government in exile is currently not recognized by any country, including its host country India. -ROC is still no longer a recognized UN member as agreed upon by UN members themselves. I think you are the one who don't know how the UN system work. Those 3 points above are agreed upon by UN members including USA, UK, Russia, France, Germany and even India, and so far, none of the UN members appear willing to change the above points. You can ask Donald Trump, Vladimir Putin, Narendra Modi, Angela Merkel, etc, what their country's stance towards HK, Taiwan, Tibet, Xinjiang, etc and they will publicly say that those are Chinese territories.
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  23230. +TEJAS TAMBAT You never did acknowledge that "Cantonese is Chinese dialect" so why are you claiming that you did it since the first comment? Your didn't even mention "dialect" at all in your sentences so how is that acknowledgement at all? Why are you resorting to insulting me with derogatory terms? I don't insult you or mock your use of English, so why are you doing such things to me? Wikipedia is still sources its information from various different sources that have strict guidelines, so its often as reliable as any other source on the Internet. If the article doesn't meet the criteria, its simply taken down from the website that's all. Regarding Kunan Poshpora incident, Human Rights organizations including Human Rights Watch have said that the number of raped women could be as high as 150, so why are you claiming that it is totally a hoax when it isn't? Although the Indian government′s investigations into the incident rejected the allegations as "baseless," international human rights organizations have expressed serious doubts about the integrity of these investigations and the manner in which they were conducted. Source: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kunan_Poshpora_incident About IPKF rape in Sri Lanka, here is another article, claiming that IPKF who conducted peacekeeping operations in Sri Lanka between 1987 and 1990, had raped several Tamil women while also killing Tamil's, claiming that there is evidence for that. Source: Sri Lankan minister accuses Indian Peace Keeping Force of rape during LTTE war dnaindia.com/india/report-sri-lankan-minister-accuses-indian-peace-keeping-force-of-rape-during-ltte-war-2032121 The Tibetan Nun clearly said that they were Tibetan soldiers. She also said it was the PAP, not the PLA too. What famine in 1949? Mao Zedong founded People's Republic of China in 1949, and the famine only started in 1959 so why are you blaming Mao solely for this famine, when it was also partially due to the weather? Mao Zedong can't control the weather to make it good for crops so why are you blaming him for bad weather during that period? The communist party has long acknowledged Great Leap Forward failure and Chinese people can read about GLF on Baidu (Chinese Wikipedia) Here you can access Baidu and read about GLF and Chinese people in the mainland can also access Baidu to read about GLF. Baidu: Great Leap Forward (translated) https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=zh-CN&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&u=https%3A%2F%2Fbaike.baidu.com%2Fitem%2F%25E5%25A4%25A7%25E8%25B7%2583%25E8%25BF%259B%2F228533&edit-text=&act=url You haven't given exact figure for HK Umbrella Movement, except that it is only started by non-working, just graduated students, who know nothing of the real world, and only interested in idealistic views imposed on them by their textbooks. The rest of 7,000,000 HK people are still going about their daily lives, not following the students and protesting. According to the following source, Hong Kong electrical grid is interconnected with the China Southern Power Grid of Mainland China. Hong Kong imports 23% of its total electricity needs from generating facilities with CLP's equity situated in the mainland. Source: Electricity sector in Hong Kong en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electricity_sector_in_Hong_Kong Actually, China is the world's largest agricultural exporter, supplying most of the world with vegetables and agricultural produce. China has the worlds largest pig farms and sheep farms. Our fishing industry makes up 2/3 of the world, and in aquaculture, our fish farms form 1/3 of the world's fish farms. As for India, India has a Global Hunger Index of 31.4 (serious) compared to China's 7.5 (low) so why don't India focus on feeding its population first? What has South China Sea suddenly got to do with Hong Kong now? Hong Kong has nothing to do with SCS issues. According to the following source, China's central bank interest rate is 1.75% wherea's India's is 10.01%. Source: List of countries by central bank interest rates en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_central_bank_interest_rates You have no evidence of Vietnam and Philippines being enemies of China. During his visit to Beijing, Philippines President Duterte was received in full military honors befitting that of a president. So what's the point of HK training its own army like Singapore, when it can be under the protection of PLA then? Singapore still relies on other countries to protect it, so would HK allocate resources and manpower to build an army of its own, when it can rely on PLA? The Central Tibetan Administration is not even recognized by its host country India, or USA, UK, Russia, France, etc. Those countries instead recognize China's sovereignty over Tibet. ROC was kick out of UN in 1971, and many major UN countries today recognize the One-China Policy that Taiwan is part of China. Why don't you get the world leaders to bring up Issue of Tibet or Taiwan or Hong Kong, etc during UN meetings? UN countries today can bring up Rohigya crisis with Myanmar/Burma, but not discuss Tibet with China? Look at US president Trump, he is willing to recognize Jerusalem as capital of Israel (to Palestine's dissatisfaction) but he is unwilling to recognize Tibet or Taiwan or HK?
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  23231. TEJAS TAMBAT Clearly you never said "Cantonese might be Chinese dialect" at all, so why are you claiming to have acknowledged it when you clearly didn't? Everyone can see that you fail to acknowledge this statement at all. I have read your comments multiple time and not once did you even mention that you acknowledge "Cantonese might be Chinese dialect" so why are you mocking my use of English? Do I insult you with derogatory terms like "bigot" or mock your English, just because your views are different from mine? Wikipedia draws its information from various real sources, not just Chinese ones like you claim. If an article of "Indian army rape" is proven to be false, then Wikipedia will take such articles down. Here is another article about Kunan Poshpora rape by Indian Army. In March 2013, motivated by them, 50 Kashmiri women from different walks of life had filed a Public Interest Litigation (PIL) petition demanding the re-opening of the case, but Indian Army is consistently denying the case from being reopened for investigations. Source: Kunan Poshpora: A forgotten mass-rape case of 2 Kashmir villages hindustantimes.com/india/kunan-poshpora-a-forgotten-mass-rape-case-of-2-kashmir-villages/story-1rmD1TqawPnMMB11LQzgyJ.html You keep dismissing IPKF atrocities in Sri Lanka, then what about Jaffna hospital massacre where the Indian Army killed 60-70 patients and staff? What about the 1989 Valvettiturai massacre where approximately 64 minority Sri Lankan Tamil civilians were killed by soldiers belonging to the IPKF? 1989 Valvettiturai massacre en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1989_Valvettiturai_massacre Jaffna hospital massacre en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jaffna_hospital_massacre The Tibetan nun clearly said that there were Tibetan soldiers, shouting that she was "Dalai’s running dog and that she betrayed our great nation". The Great Chinese Famine was caused by natural disasters. In July 1959, the Yellow River flooded in East China killing, either through starvation from crop failure or drowning, an estimated 2 million people, so how you expect Mao Zedong to stop the river from flooding? In 1960, an estimated 60% of agricultural land in northern China received no rain at all, so how can you blame Mao for not making it rain? Mao is just a man without any control over the weather conditions. You claim the GLF killed 45 million people over 4 years? From 1958 to 1962? According to the following source, China's population in 1955 was 598,574,241 and in 1960 it was 644,450,173. So you mean China's population reduced by 45 million after GLF, but grew by 45.8 million afterwards? Western media is only exaggerating the death toll to suit its anti-communist propaganda that's all. Source: Population of China 1950 populationpyramid.net/china/1950/ You claim 1.3 million HK people turnout during the Umbrella Movement, but that is still 18% of the country. A whopping 82% of HK population did not support the Umbrella Movement, so again, why are you claiming 7,000,000 HK people supported the movement then? Hong Kong still depends on 23% of its power from China. That is approximately one quarter of its power needs, so what makes you think it can independently generate all of its power very easily? China still exports more agricultural produce than India, according to your source. In 2014, China has world's largest pig farms at 474.1 million which is almost half of the world's entire pig stocks of 986.6 million. China is also world's larges producer of sheep, at 146.5 million heads followed by Australia at 101.1 million and India at 62.1 million. In the fishing industy, the top producing countries were the People's Republic of China (excluding Hong Kong and Taiwan), Peru, Japan, the United States, Chile, etc. Source: Pig Farming en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pig_farming According to World Bank, rates of malnutrition among India’s children are almost five times more than in China, and twice those in Sub-Saharan Africa. Why don't Indians work on feeding their country's children first and working on lowering their Global Hunger Index of 31.4 (serious)? China's GHI is only 7.5 (low) so which is the more serious issue here? Source: Helping India Combat Persistently High Rates of Malnutrition worldbank.org/en/news/feature/2013/05/13/helping-india-combat-persistently-high-rates-of-malnutrition Again, what has Hong Kong's location near South China Sea got to do with this topic? Since when does USA even make phone calls to China on HK? SCS is an issue between China and our neighbors, not HK (which is part of China). I have shown Chinese bank interest rates to be lower than that of India's bank interest rates. Whereas your source for Indian banks' interest rates being as low as you claim? You are the one claiming Vietnam and Philippines will somehow "support" HK against China so where's your proof? China shipped our own weapons such as guns and sniper rifles to Philippines to help them combat the radical extremists hiding out in their islands. Duterte thanks ‘good friend’ China as it donates weapons for Philippine Islamist fight scmp.com/news/asia/southeast-asia/article/2100504/duterte-thanks-good-friend-china-it-donates-weapons Singapore has many regional enemies/competitors like Indonesia, Malaysia, etc so it still has to rely on USA for defense, despite having its own army. What makes you think HK will be happy without PLA? Without PLA for protection, means HK citizens have to serve in their army, they have to purchase weapons like tanks, fighter jets, warships, etc, meaning their economy will be adversely affected. They would still have to make good relations with China to depend on PLA for protection, so why bother creating an army of their own? Having no army frees up manpower and resources to concentrate on its economy. Tibet is autonomous region of China, as recognized by USA, UK, France, Russia, India, etc. When you draw the map of China, Tibet is regarded as part of China. Nobody draws the map of People's Republic of China without Tibet. ROC matter was raised in 2007, but the United Nations has rejected Taiwan's latest application to become a member of the world body, citing the organization's adherence to the "one China" policy and its recognition of the Chinese government in Beijing. Source: UN rejects Taiwan application for entry nytimes.com/2007/07/24/world/asia/24iht-taiwan.1.6799766.html?_r=0 According to the above source, Taiwan's UN bid was roundly condemned by China and also opposed by the United States, so since when does USA support ROC's bid at all? President Trump has not brought up any discussion about Tibet, HK or Taiwan with China (all Trump ever talks about is North Korea) so again, what makes you think world leaders are even discussing Tibet, HK or Taiwan? Where's your proof?
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  23232. TEJAS TAMBAT You are the one claiming you said "Cantonese are Chinese dialect" in your first comment but you clearly never said those words so why are you pretending to have acknowledged this statement at all? You never even mentioned "dialect" at all, until I pointed out "Cantonese is Chinese dialect" so how come you suddenly acknowledged it without any indication at all? All this arguing about that phrase, it still shows that Cantonese is Chinese dialect so why are you claiming that they want to separate the dialect and language? Where's your proof that they want to separate their language? Wikipedia is public and therefore, can be updated with information from all walks of life, not just from Pakistan sources, Chinese sources, or Indian sources, so what makes it unreliable then? People are free to change it when an article does not meet Wikipedia's criteria. What makes you think no evidence was uncovered in Kunan Poshpora incident? According to following source, there are examples of "torn hymens" and other such incriminating evidence, but the Indian army just dismiss everything and ignore everything the rape victims claim. If Indians distrust Kashmiri people so much, then why do they still want to claim Jammu & Kashmir as part of India then? Why not give it to Pakistan then? Source: Unravelling a ‘mass rape’ thehindu.com/opinion/op-ed/unravelling-a-mass-rape/article4892195.ece#! Even according to your first source, a dozen of the women of just these two villages have had hysterectomies performed within a short period of their ordeal. the psychological trauma is even more than the physical one, and the raped victims were quietly married off to relatives or in distant villages as no one was willing to wed them in the area. Only people like you and the Indian Army are continuing to dismiss such claims. Sri Lankan Security forces may have participated in rape of Tamil women, but that does not mean IPKF is clean either. According to Amnesty International Report: “Several dozen Tamil women, some of whom needed hospital treatment, testified that they were raped by IPKF personnel. A local magistrate in the north reportedly found the IPKF had been responsible for seven cases of rape in December.” - Amnesty International Annual Report, 1988 for period January to December 1987 Source: Investigate Indian War Crimes in Sri Lanka: Rape of Tamil Women sinhalanet.net/investigate-indian-war-crimes-in-sri-lanka-rape-of-tamil-women The Tibetan nun clearly mentioned several times in her comment that Tibetan soldiers themselves mocked her for following Dalai Lama. According to the source your provided, the Tibetan nuns were beaten by women, not the PLA. Also, your source has inconsistencies, such as women designated to "feed pigs" died of starvation, and that only 4 out of 100 women assigned this chore survived? Where is your evidence for accusing PLA of raping Muslim women in Xinjiang then? The Yellow River flooding and the drought occurred on different years altogether, so whats so confusing about my post to label it propaganda? Weather still played a part in the Great Chinese Famine, so what makes you think it has to be either flood or drought that cause famine? As for your claims that millions of Chinese died, of course the famine will cause deaths, but the end result was that China's population grew by 45 million from 1955-1960 so your claims of 45 million perishing by Mao is unfounded, since there are so many factors leading to famine. Its just Western anti-communist propaganda meant to exaggerate the death toll to suit their agenda. You would think Chinese people would notice the deaths of 45 million people in our country. WW2 death toll was about 50-80 million, so you mean Chinese people failed to notice all those 45 million bodies? I have shown that China's population in 1955 was 598,574,241 and in 1960 it was 644,450,173 so where are the bodies, if China suffered a death toll similar to all of WW2? How did China grow to become world's most populous country if we suffered a death toll similar to all of WW2 with roughly the same duration? Its obvious that Westerner propaganda has grossly exaggerated this figure to suit their anti-communist purposes. Here is source about China's life expectancy growing from just 40 years to 45 years from 1950 to 1960. Source: China's life expectancy static.cdn-seekingalpha.com/uploads/2012/6/5/1763391-133891464788003-Stock-Whiz.png Your source on Hong Kong Umbrella Movement only claims 1.3 million HK participated in Umbrella Movement through online tweets. How is "tweeting" online even considered participating in the movement on the streets at all like you claim? You claim 7,000,000 HK people joined on the streets but where is your proof that all of HK's population are on the streets at all? You source even claims that it is a "digitized" fight so how can you claim that even those 1.3 million HK people are protesting on the streets? Hong Kong still doesn't produce 100% of its electrical needs. You claim the remaining 23% is easy for HK to produce, but HK has limited land so where is it going to build plants for the remaining 23%? Are its powerplants going to pollute the HK environment (which is already quite polluted) ? China's electricity grid is powering the remaining 23% of HK's power needs without HK feeling the effects of land scarcity and additional pollution, so what makes you think HK is capable of producing the 23% by itself? According to your source, China produce $63,490,864,000.00 worth of agricultural export. and India produces only $36,730,472,555.00 worth, so how can you even claim India is 2nd and China is 10th? Besides having the world's largest pig and sheep farms, China also produces more rice, wheat and potatoes compared to India, which are three of the world's staples. Rice: China 206.5 million tonnes, India 157.2 million tonnes, Wheat: China 126.2 million tonnes, India 94.5 million tonnes, Potato: China 95.5 million tonnes, India, 46,.4 million tonnes. Source: Rice Production en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rice#Production_and_commerce Source: Wheat Production en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_wheat_production_statistics Source: Potator Production en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Potato#Production "More than 1/3 of world's malnourished children live in India and among these, 1/2 of them under 3 are underweight. World Bank estimates that India is one of highest ranking countries in the world for the number of children suffering from malnutrition and is nearly double that of Sub Saharan Africa with dire consequences for mobility, mortality, productivity and economic growth." So why don't India fix its own problems first? Source: Malnutrition in India en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malnutrition_in_India What has birth defects got to do with this issue? Why are you trying to introduce South China Sea into this discussion about HK? According to the following source, HK celebrities: Wong Cho-lam, Leanne Li Yanan, William Chan Wai-ting, Yang Ying “Angelababy”, Donnie Yan Ji-dan and Hins Cheung defended China’s claim over SCS. Source: HK celebrities defend China’s SCS claims after court ruling hongkongfp.com/2016/07/14/hong-kong-celebrities-defend-chinas-claims-in-south-china-sea-after-intl-court-ruling/ After Trump's phonecall, he did not change US policies regarding One-China Policy and USA continues not to recognize Taiwan. I have already shown Chinese bank's interest rates are much lower than India's. You keep talking about imaginary debttrap but which country in the world is bankrupt and under China's imaginary debt trap? The top seven countries close to bankruptcy are Belarus, Argentina, Jamaica, Belize, Venezuela, Greece and Ukraine, and they have little to do with China. Source Seven countries near bankruptcy usatoday.com/story/money/business/2015/08/05/24-7-wall-st-countries-near-bankruptcy/31164239/ When did I claim Philippines and Vietnam will invade HK? Malaysia is raising water prices against Singapore, and Singapore suffered from Indonesian confrontation when it was part of Malaysia. You say what has this to do with HK, then why did you even bring up Singapore in the first place? HK economy in slump and cannot afford all those tanks, ships, aircraft for its own army, and by serving in the army, HK people will be not working or studying, so how would that make them happy? In the end, even with Army, HK will still rely on its relations with China for defense. Tibet is still drawn as part of PRC and the map's shape hasn't changed at all even till today. That means countries all over the world currently accept Tibet as part of China, and include Tibet into the Map of China every time they draw it. You are the one claiming ROC made a bid in 2006 to return to UN, so why is my 2007 source outdated? In the end, it was UN's decision to reject ROC's 2006 bid. According to my source, USA also clearly opposed ROC's bid which saw it as an effort to change the fragile status quo. If ROC made another bid in 2018 onwards, then USA, China and UN will undoubtedly reject its bid as they did in 2007.
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  23233. TEJAS TAMBAT When did you even acknowledge that "Cantonese is Chinese dialect" ? You didn't even mention "dialect" at all, until I brought it up, and even then, you failed to acknowledge that "Cantonese is Chinese dialect". Now you are claiming you never said that in your first comment because you never stated it? Now you suddenly claim that you they don't want to separate? Who is the one constantly changing his stance here after insisting on claiming that "Cantonese is Chinese dialect" ? Yet you continue to mock my use of English here? You yourself said "Wikipedia is public" so doesn't that mean that its knowledge is public knowledge? Why is it unreliable then? Any unreliable source that doesn't meet Wikipedia's standards is automatically taken down by the site. If you write such stupid accusation about me without any proof, then obviously the Wikipedia editors will take it down if you fail to provide proof. The victims of Kunan and Poshpora have been protesting for years because Indian medical examinations are biased towards Indian army. There are already incriminating examples of "torn hymens" but Indian Army just dismiss it. According to the following source, there are numerous accounts of women being raped but Indian army still continues to cover up its atrocities. Source: Kunan-Poshpora: Can Kashmiri Rape Victims Get Justice Against Indian Military After Two Decades? ibtimes.com/kunan-poshpora-can-kashmiri-rape-victims-get-justice-against-indian-military-after-two-decades You are the one thinking Kashmiri people are untrustworthy, so why India continue to fight for control over Jammu & Kashmir then? As for Tibetans, Hong Kong, Taiwan, Xinjiang, etc, they are all Chinese people, which is why China fight so hard for control over them. I am not the one saying these states should leave China, or that these people are untrustworthy. You are the one claiming Kashmiri are untrustworthy here, not me. Your source again says that "Fifteen or more of the women had to undergo hysterectomies following complications because of infection after the sexual violence on them." so why are you claiming that these women are fabricating stories? You call them illiterate is because India has only India literacy rate 72.1% compared to China's 96.4% literacy rate, but again, what has illiteracy got to do with being raped by Indian Army? Source: List of countries by literacy rate en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_literacy_rate The Sri Lankan Security force may have committed rape, but similarly, Indian Peace Keeping Force has several accounts of rape too. According to the following source, "One area of concern to Amnesty International were the reports of rape committed by Indian soldiers. In Dec 1987 a local magistrate found IPKF personnel guilty in 7 cases of rape and in January 1988 an Indian court-martial sentenced 4 Indian soldiers to 1 year in prison for raping Tamil women." Source: Abuses committed by the IPKF in Sri Lanka ecoi.net/en/document/1348818.html The Tibetan Nun clearly mentioned a Tibetan soldier, accusing her of being "Dalai Lama's running dog" and betraying her nation. Read your Tibetan Nun source again carefully. In July 1959, the Yellow River flooded in East China killing either through starvation from crop failure or drowning, an estimated 2 million people, while other areas were affected in other ways as well. Source: The Most Deadly 100 Natural Disasters of the 20th Century disastercenter.com/disaster/TOP100K.html So why are you claiming that the flood is propaganda by Deng Xiaoping? Deng was the one who was anti-Mao in a sense, so why would he cover up Mao's actions? You claimed that 45 million Chinese people have been killed by Mao, which is almost as much as entire WW2 minimally estimated death toll of 50 million, yet Chinese people did not notice a number of dead bodies equal to that of all WW2 in our country? In addition to that, China had One-Child Policy, but despite your death toll and this policy, China is still the world's most populous country? Its obvious that the death toll figure is grossly exaggerated by Western propaganda to suit its anti-communist purposes. Otherwise, how could China become most populous country, despite all those deaths and birth control? China's population actually grew from 598,574,241 in 1955 to 644,450,173 in 1960 (by about 45.8 million) so how could 45 million Chinese died under Mao, yet increased by 45 million again (double) again? Where did your source even claim 6.78 million joined in the Umbrella movement? All it showed was that 1.3 million supporters voiced their support online through tweets, not by actually protesting in the streets like those students, so how can you claim that they took to the streets to protest? Digitized only means that they simply like a comment, but shows nothing of their commitment to join the protestors on the streets. Hong Kong only generates 77% and if it wants 100%, means it will have to build more power plants, which occupy space, cause pollution and waste etc. HK is very land-constrained country so where is it going to build the power station for remaining 23% energy? HK pollution comes from its own powerplants and you said China uses nuclear power, which doesn't pollute the air, so how can you blame HK pollution on China then? Your source clearly listed top agricultural country exports as follows. ... 6. China $63,490,864,000.00 7. Spain $50,960,954,460.00 8 Canada $49,490,302,612.00 9 Belgium $43,904,482,740.00 .. .. 12 India $36,730,472,555.00 So how can you claim India largest exporter in Asia and 2nd, while China is 10th? Its your own source yet you refuse to read it? My units for rice export for India is in tonnes, whereas your 5 billion export claim is in dollars, so do you even see the difference in your argument? My statement that China produces more rice than India still stands, and here is another source to support it. Source: Top 10 Exporters of Rice (Countries) whichcountry.co/top-10-exporters-of-rice/ Jute is just one somewhat uncommon commodity. China is worlds largest producer of many common commodities like rice, wheat, potato even peanuts and apples as shown below. Source: Apple Production en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple#Production Source: Peanut Production en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peanut#Production_and_trade What has birth defects got to do with this argument at all? Birth defects has little to do with malnourishment and you can't truly do anything about birth defects, like you can do for malnourishment. China's Global Hunger Index is only 7.5(low) compared to India's 31.4(serious) Why don't India work on feeding its population and children first instead worrying about China? India's malnutrition is even higher than China's Hong Kong celebrities have expressed support for China's case in South China Sea, means they are wrong for their beliefs? You claim HK celebrities are doing it for self-promotion, then why are they even agreeing with China if it makes them unpopular? Where is the logic here? I have shown China's bank interest rates to be lower than that of India's. UN is just trying to inhibit China's growth instead of any real fears of a debt trap. I mean, there are seven other countries on the brink of bankruptcy, yet UN choose to focus on China instead of countries like Greece, who is truly going bankrupt? Like I said, what has Vietnam or Philippines even got to do with HK? Those countries recognize HK as part of China, so why do you claim they will support HK at all? China is HK's biggest economy, so why would HK cut ties with China to be like Singapore? Singapore is now water dependent on Malaysia, so why would HK want to cut off with China to be like Singapore? Tibet is part of China's map, as recognized by UN countries and drawn on their maps. Many other countries support One China Policy, and fail to recognize ROC. Even US rejected Taiwans bid in 2006 so what are you trying to claim here?
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  23234. TEJAS TAMBAT Why are you resorting to insulting me personally? Just because my views differ from yours? You clearly failed to mention "dialect" until I brought up the word, so how can you claim to have acknowledged that "Cantonese is Chinese dialect"? You clearly said Wikipedia is public site, so anyone, from Pakistani to Chinese to Indians can edit its articles as long as they provide reliable sources, so how is Wikipedia unreliable then? Now and then, Wikipedia will take down articles that violate its criteria, so it is as good a source of information as its criteria. There are so many witnesses accounts to Indian Army rape in Kunan Poshpora, but you just keep dismissing it like what Indian Army does. Medical examinations performed on the women revealed "torn hymens" as well as various hysterectomy procedures, indicating mass sexual assault had taken place. Here is another article petitioning that Kunan Poshpora rape cases be reopened, but Indian government and army have mounted efforts to stop these orders. Source:Kashmir: A look at the Kunan Poshpora rapes aljazeera.com/indepth/features/2016/10/kashmir-kunan-poshpora-rapes-161020121136644.html If you claim Kashmiri people can't be trusted, then why does India even want Jammu & Kashmir as part of its territory? Why not give it up to Pakistan if you dislike those people? The Tibetan Nun clearly mentioned Tibetan soldier involved in the atrocity and accusing her of being "Dalai Lama running dog" and betraying her country, so why are you continuing to deny this simple statement? Read your Tibetan Nun story again carefully. What famine in 1949? The People's Republic of China was founded by Mao in 1949 so when was there a famine during China's founding? I have already shown that In 1959, the Yellow River flooded and in 1959, the Yellow River flooded, causing crop failure and starvation, and then in 1960, an estimated 60% of agricultural land in northern China received no rain at all. These weather factors were obviously beyond Mao Zedong's control. You have failed to show that so many people supported HK Umbrella Movement. Your source clearly said that 1.3 million people "tweeted" their support for the movement, but said nothing of these people actively taking to the streets to show their support. In this digitalized world, you can show support by simply "liking" them on social media, but it doesn't mean that you physically showed up to protest on the streets. HK students have lots of free time, and follow textbook ideals without actually thinking of the consequences of their actions like real working adults. I have shown that HK is dependent on the remaining 23% of its electrical needs from China. HK doesn't have the space to build more powerplants to fill up the remaining need, and the pollution from such plants will make its pollution situation worst. As for other imports like food, here is list of HK's largest trading partners. 1. China: US$285.5 billion (55.3% of total Hong Kong exports) 2. United States: $42 billion (8.1%) 3. India: $15.4 billion (3%) Source:Hong Kong’s Top Trading Partners worldstopexports.com/hong-kongs-top-import-partners/ As you can see, China made up a large portion of HK's economy at 55.3%, compared to India's 3% so what makes you think HK will suddenly trade with India here? I have shown that Hong Kong's celebrities support China's stance in South China Sea conflict. You claim that they are doing it for self promotion, then why would they support the mainland's stance then if its so unpopular? Where is your source to show India's bank interest rate? I have clearly shown that China's central bank interest rate is 1.75% compared to India's 6.00%. Because of our lower rates, HK benefits greatly from Chinese loans compared to Indian loans because of India's higher interest rate. Source:List of countries by central bank interest rates en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_central_bank_interest_rates Vietnam and Philippines currently recognize HK as part of China. Look, even Philippines has dispute with Taiwan over South China Sea issue, and Philippines coastguard even shoot to death a Taiwanese fisherman, Hung Shih-cheng (洪石成) so what makes you think that these countries will automatically be on HK's side? Source:Relations sour between Taiwan and Philippines over fisherman's death http://edition.cnn.com/2013/05/17/world/asia/philippines-taiwan-dispute/index.html You brought up Singapore army, and claim that Singapore still rely on USA for defense, so like I said, what's the point of HK building its own army, if it has to rely on PLA for protection then? HK's economy is in a slump, so what makes you think it can afford to start from scratch building its own army? Where's the money going to come from? Tanks, Ships, Fighter Jets, etc, are not cheap and will create additional burden on their economy. As for the HK army personnel, having 1 million soldiers already means that HK's workforce will be 1 million workers shorter, adversely affecting its economy. Indian banks also charges 6.00% interest rate so what makes you think getting loans from India is viable move for HK? Like I shown above, 50% of HK's economy is dependent on China, so why would HK want to jeopardize that relation by declaring itself independent? Tibet is recognized as autonomous region of China by UN countries, including USA, UK, France, Russia, India, etc. and when the map of PRC is drawn, Tibet is incorporated as part of PRC in their maps. What you keep saying about how the map will change in future is only your own speculation that's all and nothing more. President Trump phonecall concluded with him recognizing the One-China Policy, that Taiwan is part of PRC. Otherwise, if you claim he is concern with ROC's freedom, then why didn't he indicate so through the phonecall to President Xi Jinping? ROC's bid back in 2007 was rejected by UN countries, including China and USA. You claim that 2017 Taiwan will make another bid but there's no guarantee that it will be successful. I mean, UN rejected ROC's bid back in 2007, so what makes you think they will suddenly change their mind this time? If ROC was really recognized, then why did UN even decide to kick ROC out of UN since 1971? I have shown that other UN countries recognize Tibet, HK, Taiwan, Xinjiang, etc as part of PRC, whether its through the Map of China, the One-China, Two Systems policy and the One-China Policy. All those states above were part of China even during Qing dynasty back in 1911, and the government has fought hard to regain control of our territories. Look at British India, being partitioned into India and Pakistan in 1947 (and later into Bangladesh) A country is strong if united and weak when divided. We don't want to become like India and Pakistan, two brother countries constantly fighting each other till today. Donald Trump, Vladimir Putin, Narendra Modi, Angela Merkel and other world leaders have made their stance clear that they recognize Tibet, HK, Taiwan, etc as part of China. The current UN focus is on Rohigya crisis in Myanmar/Burma and also North Korea, not China's sovereignty over those territory. 77% is still not 100% and there is remaining 23% that comes from China. Otherwise, HK's power would only operate at 77% instead of 100%. China is generating 23% of HK power so if this power was cut off what will happen to HK's industries and household electricity consumption? China still produces more rice, wheat, potato, apples, peanuts, etc than India. China even produces more pork and mutton than India already, as well as fish too. China also world's largest producer of lettuce and cabbage according to following source. Source:Cabbage Production en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cabbage#Production Source:Lettuce Production en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lettuce#Production Like I said, what has birth defects go to do with this discussion? If you want to talk birth defects, then India registers the highest number of infants born with disabilities in the world. "The number of infants with genetic disorders and birth defects in India is the highest in the world," said Sir Ganga Ram Hospital Center for Genetic Medicine Director and Society of Foetal Medicines President I C Verma. " Source:Infants born with defects highest in India http://archive.indianexpress.com/news/-infants-born-with-defects-highest-in-india...-but-trend-can-be-reversed-/723187 Why don't Indians focus on India's malnourishment and birth defect problems first, instead of complaining about China? India has Global Hunger Index of 31.4(serious) compared to China's GHI of 7.5(low) so which country has more urgent needs here? Pakistan is benefiting greatly from trade with China, and the economic corridor project is expected to generate 2.32 million jobs for Pakistani workers. Gwadar port is being invested to become a major hub for China's Belt and Road Iniative Source: CPEC to generate 2.32m jobs thenews.com.pk/print/176948-CPEC-to-generate-232m-jobs-in-two-years-report Which countries threaten One-China Policy? Even President Trump, the most powerful man of the most powerful country, still accepted the One-China Policy despite receiving phonecall from ROC. Here's the article showing Trump backing down after the phonecall. ""I fully understand the 'One China' policy..." Trump said on "Fox News Sunday." and Beijing responded by appreciating Mr Trump's acknowledgement of the One China Policy, calling the two nations "co-operative partners" who could "push bilateral relations to a historic new high". Source:Trump agrees to honour 'One China' policy despite threats bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-38927891
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  23235. TEJAS TAMBAT According to UNESCO, adult literacy rate of China increased from 65.5% in 1982 to a whopping 96.4% in 2015 growing at an average annual rate of 10.39%. India's literacy rate is only 72% meaning almost a quarter of Indians are illiterate. Of course the Taiwan fisherman is Chinese, when did I ever said he wasn't? Taiwan is part of China isn't it? But this goes to show that Philippines does not regard Taiwan as ally against China, so why would Philippines support Hong Kong like you claim? Aren't the people of Taiwan and Hong Kong, Chinese as well? How is it you can hear the conversation Trump spoke over the phone to ROC and conclude that USA will help ROC in 2020? President Trump called President Xi, and they both agreed that One-China Policy should remain. What makes you think China doesn't want to talk about ROC? My previous source at the bottom showed Trump making phone call to Xi to discuss One-China Policy isn't it? Tibet, Xinjiang, Hong Kong, etc, are all incorporated into PRC, whenever the Map of China is drawn. When did other countries recognize the independence of these states? Maps of PRC are all depicted with those states, so how can you claim that they recognize the independence of those states? You claim all those people are slaves under China, but the country with the most number of slaves in the world is actually India, not China. According to the following source, India has 18 million modern slaves, at least 5 times more than any other country in the world. So why don't India fix its modern slavery problem instead of worrying about Chinese being slaves? Source:India has 18 million modern slaves qz.com/695565/india-has-18-million-modern-slaves-at-least-five-times-more-than-any-other-country-in-the-world/ Soviet Union was strong while it was united. Same like USA is strong while unified from 50 states, and European Union is strong with 28 member states. So why can't China strive to remain unified and strong like these countries? A country is strong if unified and weak if divided. Look at British India, being strong when unified but today, it has been partitioned in India and Pakistan (and later, Bangladesh) which are brother states constantly fighting each other. How is Asia going to progress if countries fight each other like India and Pakistan? Look at Europe. France and England were enemies in the past, so was Germany with whole Europe at one point. but today, they are powerful when unified. Communist Russia collapsed in 1991 and many Western countries assumed communist China will soon follow suit. But its already 2018, and the China is still relatively intact, as well as being the world's 2nd largest economy, with an army funded by world's 2nd largest military spending, as well as being potential rival to USA. Donald Trump, Narendra Modi, Angela Merkel, Vladimir Putin, and even Shinzo Abe did not raise any issue about Tibet, Hong Kong, Xinjiang, etc to Xi Jinping. Like I said, the current focus of UN issues is on North Korea, and also Rohigya crisis in Myanmar/Burma. What makes you think the Korean missile crisis will be resolved anytime soon, for Tibet to ever become a topic? All of this talk about US will help Taiwan in 2020, or UN will focus on Tibet after North Korea is dealt with, is just your own speculation that's all. 77% is still not 100%. China supplies the remaining 23% of power to HK like it or not. HK has scarcity of land, so what room is there to expand their powerplants? Expanding their powerplants on HK territory also means more pollution in HK as a result, which is why they draw upon China's energy network for the remaining 23% instead. I already shown China produces more rice, wheat, potatoes, cabbages, lettuce, peanuts, apples, fish, pork and mutton than India. China also produces more onions, tomatoes and even salt compared to India. Source:Tomato Production en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tomato#Production Source:Onion Production en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_onion_production Source:Salt Production en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_salt_production We are talking about production, so of course we use tonnes instead of dollars. You are the one mistaking dollars for tonnes in your units here, not me. Jute is only a single commodity, but every other commodity here I listed for China are often considered staples, unlike jute. I have shown that the malnutrition problem in India are almost 5 times more than in China, and twice those in Sub-Saharan Africa. The Global Hunger Index gave India a score of 31.4(serious) compared to China's 7.5(low) so why don't India fix its own malnutrition problem first before worrying about China? Source:Global Hunger Index Map (India:31.4, China:7.5) ghi.ifpri.org/ Source:India malnutrition 5 times that of China's, twice that of Sub-Sahara Africa worldbank.org/en/news/feature/2013/05/13/helping-india-combat-persistently-high-rates-of-malnutrition What do you mean nothing can be done about malnutrition? You can always feed them, but what can you do about birth defects? Also, according to the following source, India registers the highest number of infants born with disabilities. Source:Infants born with defects highest in India archive.indianexpress.com/news/-infants-born-with-defects-highest-in-india...-but-trend-can-be-reversed-/723187 You claim that HK celebrities are promoting themselves in HK, then why would they express support for China's stance in South China Sea, if that is the unpopular move here? How is that promoting themselves? You clearly said Singapore's army is small, so it will have to depend on other countries like USA to protect it. Since you claim HK army will be small, then they will still rely on PLA to protect them isn't it? Also, HK's economy is in a slump, so how can it afford to build its army by buying tanks, fighter jets, warships, ammunition, etc? Who is going to train HK soldiers to fight? What makes you think HK citizens want to serve in the army? 1 million soldiers serving in HK army, means the HK workforce will be deprived of 1 million workers, so how will that boost the HK economy then? Why would foreign investors want to invest in a country with slumping economy and small army to protect their investments? All your words are just speculation on your part without any proof. LOL did you even read your sources about CPEC myths? According to your sources, one of biggest myths propagated on CPEC is that Pakistan might become a colony/province of China, but the reality is Pakistan’s current trade deficit with China is $6.2 billion. In comparison, India’s trade deficit with China stands at $47 billion and US trade deficit with China is $347 billion. So US and India are China's colonies then? Also from your source, Another myth on CPEC is that China is dictating terms to Pakistan but the reality is quite the opposite. China and Pakistan work jointly in making an overall planning. Your source summarizes with the statement that economic benefits of CPEC are net positive for Pakistan. Vietnamese themselves aren't HK people, so why can they decide for HK want HK citizens want for their country, and support them online? They aren't the ones living in HK you know. Besides, your source also claims "The Vietnamese government worries about the Hong Kong protests. Anh Chi says police would stop any attempt in Vietnam to show support." China is Hong Kong's biggest trading partner, with 55.3% of total Hong Kong exports, worth $285.5 billion going to China, according to the following source. Singapore still depends on Malaysia for water, just like HK depends on remaining 23% of its power needs from China. Source:Hong Kong’s Top Trading Partners worldstopexports.com/hong-kongs-top-import-partners/ Tibet is recognized as autonomous region of China on the world map. Why don't you consult the world map and see for yourself? According to your source, President Trump questioned the One-China Policy, but then "stuck it back on again two months later, telling Xi Jinping, China’s president, that he would honour the One-China policy at President Xi’s request" The follow sources all show Trump accepting One-China Policy. Source:Trump Tells Xi Jinping U.S. Will Honor ‘One China’ Policy nytimes.com/2017/02/09/world/asia/donald-trump-china-xi-jinping-letter.html Source:Trump agrees to support 'One China' policy in Xi Jinping call theguardian.com/world/2017/feb/10/donald-trump-agrees-support-one-china-policy-phone-call-xi-jinping Source:Backing away from a fight, Trump to honor one-China policy washingtonpost.com/world/asia_pacific/trump-agrees-to-honor-one-china-policy-in-call-to-xi-jinping/2017/02/10/ea6e7ece-ef4a-11e6-9973-c5efb7ccfb0d_story.html?utm_term=.490da0076ab9
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  23236. TEJAS TAMBAT In 2015, adult literacy rate for China was 96.4 %. Adult literacy rate of China increased from 65.5 % in 1982 to 96.4 % in 2015 growing at an average annual rate of 10.39 %. This is taken from the following source. Source:China - Adult (15+) literacy rate knoema.com/atlas/China/topics/Education/Literacy/Adult-literacy-rate You just said Philippines thought they are Chinese, which they are since Taiwan is part of China, so why are you trying to deny this suddenly? Are you going to deny again that "Cantonese is Chinese dialect" again? I have shown numerous articles that Trump accepts the One-China Policy as of 2017, after phone call to Beijing. I have also shown that UN countries rejected ROC's bid back in 2007 and that even USA rejected it (Trump wasn't president back in 2007 though) The below statement is taken from following source. "Taiwan's UN bid was roundly condemned by China and also opposed by the United States, which saw it as an effort to change the fragile status quo that has governed relations among the three since Washington transferred its diplomatic recognition from Taipei to Beijing in 1979." Source:UN rejects Taiwan application for entry nytimes.com/2007/07/24/world/asia/24iht-taiwan.1.6799766.html?_r=0 Regarding neighbor disputes, China signed many agreements with our neighbors here. -In 1961, Nepal and China signed border agreement. -In 1962, Mongolia and China signed border agreement. -In 1963, Afghanistan and China signed border agreement. -In 1963, Pakistan and China signed border agreement. -In 1991, USSR and China signed Sino-Soviet border agreement. -In 1992, Laos and China signed border agreement. -In 1994, Kazakhstan and China signed border agreement. Only India and Bhutan refuse to sign agreement with China to settle our dispute once and for all. You claim other countries recognize Tibet, Hong Kong, Xinjiang, etc, then why are they incorporated into the Map of People's Republic of China? It goes to show that countries all over the world regard these countries as part of China, and published Maps of China accordingly. Just look at World Map and see for yourself. You claim Chinese people are slaves, but the country with the most number of people living in modern slavery is actually India, with over 18 million living in conditions of slavery, about 5 times more than any other country. Why don't Indians do something about their slavery conditions instead of complaining about China? Even this source doesn't claim 1.3 billion Chinese as slaves, so how can you claim 1.3 billion Chinese as slaves then? Source:India Has the Most People Living in Modern Slavery blogs.wsj.com/indiarealtime/2016/06/02/india-has-the-most-people-living-in-modern-slavery/ Donald Trump, Vladimir Putin, Angela Merkel, Shinzo Abe, Narendra Modi, and other world leaders are focusing on North Korea, and the Rohigya Crisis in Myanmar/Burma. Nothing is being mentioned about Tibet, HK, Xinjiang etc. to Xi Jinping's face. Soviet Union failed because it transited from communism to democracy too quickly and rapidly, causing the satellite states to break away from Russia. China has learnt lessons from Soviet Union's fall, which is why China was able to transit from communist market to capitalist market, without losing control any of our territories. European Union is democratic, but democracy is also tearing EU apart, just like Brexit, where many UK citizens choose to leave the EU. British PM David Cameron even resigned after calling a referendum in which majority of voters voted to leave the EU. Can't you see that democracy is going to allow states to break apart from a union? Source:David Cameron resigns after UK votes to leave European Union theguardian.com/politics/2016/jun/24/david-cameron-resigns-after-uk-votes-to-leave-european-union India and Pakistan are fighting each other even till today after being partitioned, but why was there a need to partition in the first place? British India was powerful and consisted of India, Pakistan and Bangladesh, so why did it need to partition? Imagine if Indian leaders like PM Nehru or Mahatma Gandhi had remained firm against the British, and had not allowed the partition to have taken place. So much bloodshed and lives lost during partition and subsequent wars between India and Pakistan could have been avoided, if partition had not taken place at all, and British India would be unified instead of divided into India, Pakistan and Bangladesh. If your leaders are soft and peaceful, like Nehru and Gandhi, then British people will walk all over you and divide your country. Now its too late and partition has taken place, so why not attempt to mend relations now, instead of fighting each other for over 70 years? How is Asia going to progress if its states are fighting each other? China's "ghost" cities are slowly being filled up, as more people from rural countryside migrate to the cities. For example Zhengzhou was once considered China’s largest ghost city in 2011, but today, Zhengzhou has a population of 9,378,000 inhabitants. China still has millions of people living in the countryside migrating to the cities to seek better opportunities, but of course the process is slow and it will take time to fill up China's ghost cities. Here are 5 more Chinese ghost cities that got filled up over time. Source:5 Chinese Ghost Cities that Came Alive vagabondjourney.com/5-chinese-ghost-cities-came-alive/ North Korean Missile Crisis been going on since 2003 for many years, and it is unlikely to be resolved anytime soon. Even North Korea and South Korea were originally one country, Korea, up till 1905 but have been separated for over 70 years, until the new generation of Koreans hardly regard the other country as part of their country. Like I said, a country is strong if unified and weak if divided. Other countries that were once separated, such as North and South Vietnam, and also East and West Germany (during Cold War) eventually reunified after 20 years and 40 years respectively, so the two halves regard each other as a single country. But North and South Korea been separated by 70 years until new generations of Koreans no longer see themselves as single country. 77% is still not 100%, and China supplies the remaining 23% of HK's power needs. It is nothing to sneeze at, and cutting off the remaining power, means HK loses about 1/4 of its electrical needs, which can be compared to 1 in 4 HK household not having electricity. HK has land constraints, meaning it can't build more powerplants or expand existing plants without taking up valuable land. Also more plants means more pollution for HK (which is already quite polluted due to its existing coal plants). China offers a less polluting alternative to HK, by allowing it to tap into China's electrical grid for power instead. I already quoted several sources where China produces more rice, wheat, potatoes, pork, mutton, fish, lettuce, cabbages, peanuts, apples, onions, tomatoes and even salt, than India. China also produces more chili Peppers, walnuts and chestnuts than India, according to the following sources. Source:Walnut Production en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walnut#Production Source:Chestnut Production en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chestnut#History Source:Chili Pepper Production en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chili_pepper#Production In terms of production, we are interested in how much is actually produced, not the costs involved. Costs can fluctuate greatly with market prices according to supply and demand, but the amount produced in tonnes indicates how capable a country is at producing the commodity. That's why we look at tonnes and quantity instead of prices. India's Malnutrition is 5 times more than China's and twice that of Sub-Saharan African countries, according to World Bank itself. That's why India is given a score of 31.4(serious) by Global Hunger Index, compared to China's 7.5(low) Why don't India fix their own hunger problems first? HK celebrities are living in HK and mostly star in HK films, not mainland Chinese films. If they are doing it for self promotion, then it should be towards HK citizens who watch their shows, so why would they support China's stance in South China Sea issue, if it was unpopular. Just like Jackie Chan, he is famous Hollywood star, even you know his films, so if its for his self-promotion, then why support China's stance in Hollywood and USA, if it is unpopular? You clearly said Singapore army is small, so they depend on USA to protect them, so why would HK want small army, when in the end, it will have to rely on PLA for defense? PLA is the one protecting HK from external threats. If HK fishing vessel is harassed, Chinese coastguard will be dispatched to protect their vessels. HK's economy is in a slump and taking away 1 million HK workers to serve in the army, is only going to tax its economy more. Also, buying tanks, weapons, fighter jets, ships, ammunition cost $$$ as well as maintenance of such equipment costing $$$. Your source clearly says Pakistan being Chinese colony is a myth, since Pakistan's trade deficit is only $6.2 billion. compared to India's $47 billion and USA $347 billion trade deficit, so how is Pakistan a colony here? We are talking "trade deficit" here after all, and its from your source, not mine. Only 1.3 million support HK Umbrella movement digitally not physically on the streets. Singapore still relies on Malaysia for water, just like HK rely China for power. China and Taiwan are still technically "at war" so China is only taking precautions here by pointing weapons against ROC, in case of war being resumed at any moment. Your source is just Taiwan source urging Trump to support ROC. But Trump made his statement to follow One China Policy very clear many times. Currently, USA has zero bases in Taiwan, despite your claims. You see, all you are giving are just speculations without any proof whatsoever. Where's proof that US support ROC in 2020 etc?
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  23240. TEJAS TAMBAT I have counted exactly 44 comments as of now. Your last few comments all have a single post, so whats 3 comments that you are even talking about? You clearly only said a single comment, so I will only respond to the comment you posted. You are the one fabricating fake comments when you clearly have nothing to say. You brought my parents into this argument for what? I didn't bring your parents into this argument, and neither do I insult you with derogatory terms like Bigot so why are you insulting me personally? Because you can't attack my points? All my previous points still stand uncontested. You have shown no proof of secret US base in Taiwan. You source clearly said that USTDC was a planning headquarters, only active from 1955 to 1979. Today, it is no more and the former site of the USTDC headquarters became the Taipei Fine Arts Museum in 1983. You call me illiterate, when according to UNESCO India literacy is only 72.1% compared to China's 96.4% ? President Xi Jinping said no such thing about a invasion of Taiwan in 2020. You claim he said it, so what are his exact words in Chinese then? That would be the exact, unaltered words taken directly out of his mouth, so can you quote me what words he said then? Otherwise it is apparent that you are unable to answer all my points. I have shown that India has world's highest number of people living in modern slavery at 18 million people, according to Global Slavery Index. India has 5 times more malnutrition than China, and twice that of Sub-Saharan Africa, according to World Bank. And India's Global Hunger Index is 31.4(serious) compared to China's 7.5(low). In fact, India tops world hunger list with 194 million people, so why don't you fix your country's problems instead of complaining about China? Source:India has 18 million modern slaves, at least 5 times more than any other country qz.com/695565/india-has-18-million-modern-slaves-at-least-five-times-more-than-any-other-country-in-the-world/ Source:Rates of malnutrition among India’s children are almost 5 times more than in China, and twice those in Sub-Saharan Africa worldbank.org/en/news/feature/2013/05/13/helping-india-combat-persistently-high-rates-of-malnutrition Source:India tops world hunger list with 194 million people thehindu.com/news/national/india-is-home-to-194-million-hungry-people-un/article7255937.ece China also produces more rice, wheat, potatoes, pork, mutton, fish, lettuce, cabbages, peanuts, apples, onions, tomatoes, walnuts, chestnuts, chili peppers and even salt, than India. China also produces more grapes and carrots than India. Source:Carrot Production en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carrot#Production Source:Grape Production en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grape#Distribution_and_production
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  23299.  @zilun  Taiwan was under authoritarian, single-party Kuomintang for more than half its life! The KMT ruled Taiwan with iron fist, and Jiang Jieshi jailed and executed his political rivals (whether real or perceived) in a period known as White Terror 白色恐怖 and imposed martial law on Taiwan for more than 38 years, which was qualified as "the longest imposition of martial law by a regime anywhere in the world" at that time. But under authoritarian single-party KMT leadership, Taiwan flourished, resulting in Taiwan Miracle 台灣奇蹟. Between 1952 and 1982, Taiwan's economic growth was on average 8.7%, and between 1983 and 1986 at 6.9%. Taiwan's GDP grew by 360% between 1965 and 1986 and the percentage of global exports was over 2% in 1986, over other recently industrialized countries, and the global industrial production output grew a further 680% between 1965 and 1986. Only when democracy was introduced, did economic growth became more modest in 1990s. Today Taiwan's economy is in a slump, wages are stagnant, unemployment is high and Taiwan graduates are seeking employment opportunities elsewhere, in the mainland or in Singapore. Because democracy has weakened Taiwan leadership and resulted in more partisan disagreements on policy matters. Video: How Taiwan Lost Its Roar And Its Young Talents youtube.com/watch?v=P3BCnPb8qHY So why continue to support democracy then? Taiwan prospered rapidly under KMT dictatorship, so if it works, why fix it? Because Westerners say so?
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  23303.  @zilun  What makes you think America was reluctant to sell Taiwan arms to prevent unprovoked attack by KMT on the mainland? Look, even today, America is clearly selling tonnes of weapons to Taiwan, so your reasoning does not hold weight. America clearly wants to divide China (to prevent us from getting too strong) and it is clearly using Taiwan as a puppet against China in this regard. America threatened to cut off weapons to Taiwan because Taiwan refused to adopt democratic reforms and that's why in the end Taiwan was pressured to adopt democracy or risk losing US military aid. And look, the KMT was the one who did all the hard work modernizing Taiwan over the years, developing its foundations and economy. But because of democracy, the people of Taiwan choose to elect another political party, the DPP, which was a green and inexperience political party into power, and topple the politically experienced KMT from power. Why choose some new and inexperienced political party as your leader? Recently, there was even a fight breaking out in Taiwan parlament, with politicians throwing waterbombs and even furniture at each other. Video: Taiwanese parliament broke out into a water balloon and chair-throwing brawl youtube.com/watch?v=mMvkusAI9DM The DPP is clearly not the battle-hardened, politically experienced KMT of the past, so how can you trust them to guide Taiwan? If war were to break out, can the people of Taiwan really trust this DPP to guide their armies, instead of the battle-experienced KMT?
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  23341. +kelly hu So exactly who do you think is capable of replacing Chinese government leadership? What guarantee that these people will be "honest and trustworthy" or that their leadership will prove better than the current leaders? Do they have the experience of governing a country of 1.4 billion people, as CPC did for over 60 years? And this independent third party, how qualified are they to investigate suspicious corruptions? Take the US two-party system for example, and Trump said during his campaign that Hilary Clinton will be "going to jail" for her corruption. But is Hilary Clinton in jail? What happened to the ongoing investigations into Clinton's corrupt practices? Even when Trump became most powerful man in USA, and having power over Clinton, nothing is being done this corruption case. Lastly, nobody in this thread is claiming CPC as the greatest, purest and most correct party. Everyone here has admitted that CPC is imperfect and has corruption, but at least active corruption campaigns are ongoing, and even if the corrupt official escape overseas, the CPC has demonstrated willingness to exert influence overseas to bring corrupt officials to justice, in which NO other governments (as far as I know) seem willing to do. It is idealistic to think that corruption can be simply stamped out 100% in this world. Changing China's One-Party dominance does not equal to zero corruption, as other existing democracies have shown, such as India, USA, etc. Even in ROC there is corruption charges against Chen Shui Bian 陳水扁 in 2008 even when Taiwan has Multi-Party system, so why do you think changing China's constitution will result in no corruption? Where is your proof altogether that Two-Party or Multiparty is better than Single-party? To summarize, people like you only think of Step One (Get rid of CPC), but not Step Two (Who is qualified to replace CPC?) You only interested in short-term gains, but ignore long-term benefits. China is strong, both militarily and economically, thanks to CPC's efforts, so why should China get rid of our government when China is still progressing today?
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  23342. +kelly hu Excuse me, but Singapore has been governed by an authoritative single-party government for its entire life. The PAP is Singapore's longest (and only ever) ruling party for over 50 years, since Singapore's founding as a nation in 1965, so why do you even consider Singapore to be multi-party? Do you even understand Singapore's politics correctly? In Singapore, it is technically illegal for people to gather in groups of more than 4 people, because it can be classified as "illegal assembly." So how is this any much different from the way Chinese government runs the country? Besides Singapore, "democratic" Taiwan has also been under single-party authoritative rule for much of its lifetime by KMT. Even South Korea was once under a dictatorship (Park Chung Hee). But the common thing is that under single-party rule, our countries progressed and developed rapidly because of a stable long term government. Because of this, our countries are known as the "Four Asian Tigers". Only after Taiwan become democratic, leading to creation of DPP as opposition party, did Taiwan's economy began to slow down significantly. You have no idea who can replace CPC? Then the way you argue your points is similar to those SJWs, who argue for the sake of arguing, without any actual knowledge of the situation. You are just arguing to make yourself "feel good" that's all, when you actually have NO solution at all for the problem. Like I said, people like you only think of Step 1 (address the wrong) but you don't think at all about Step 2 (Where does China go from here?) You think short term, not long term. If you noticed, governments like CPC and PAP have the advantage of long-term governance over the country (60+ years for CPC, 50+ years for PAP) and because of this, our countries are able to make long-term plans spanning 10 or more years, rather than short term plans. In USA, the government only makes short term plans for up to 4-8 years only, because there is no guarantee that they will remain in power for more than a decade. But countries like China is constantly coming up with 5 year plans, 10 year plans and even 20 year plans, because our governments are expected to remain in power. Why should our countries change what appears to be a successful formula for governance? Because Westerners say it is "undemocratic"? Nobody says that every country has to follow Western democracy to be successful, and China is living proof of this. Today, China is world's 2nd largest economy, with world's 2nd largest military spending, protected by world's largest land army, the PLA, and China is also helping to develop other countries by building infrastructure in countries like Pakistan, Sri Lanka, Nepal, Bangladesh as well as African countries like Nigeria, Angola, Kenya, etc, etc.
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  23343. +kelly hu Whether elected or not, that doesn't change the fact that Singapore is governed by one party for over 50 years, just like China. Also, the current Singapore President, Halimah Yacob, wasn't elected by Singapore citizens, because no other candidate opposed her at the presidency polls. As for corruption comparison, do you even notice the size of the CPC, as compared to Singapore's PAP? What makes you think the communist party is capable of achieving the same lack of corruption levels as PAP, when CPC is world's largest political entity? Look at India's government, the world's largest democracy, and do you think there is no corruption there? Look at India having multi-party government, but being plagued with corruption. I mean, are you even living in the same planet here? Or are you just spouting off your mouth without verifying the reality of the situation? Since we don't know who will replace CPC if general elections were held in China, lets say for example that some other party took over China's government. Then how would you know if they will be trustworthy and incorruptible? How would we know if they are capable of governing a country as vast as China, with a population of 1.4 billion people? Chinese government will lose control over our long term plans, like the Pakistan Economic Corridor, and the Belt and Road Initiative, because the next party might not want to support it. Look at USA for example, when President Obama been planning the Trans Pacific Partnership deal for 8 years, but when President Trump took over, he cancelled TPP, simply because he didn't like Obama (Obama humiliated him with his birth certificate) So why should China introduce this multi-party system, where the parties constantly oppose each other for their own interest, instead of the country's interest? Like I said, your behavior matches that of SJWs, disconnected from reality, who simply argue about problems, without any proper understanding of the real world issues. You believe in idealistic scenarios only, but care nothing about the consequences. For example, you claim no one is irreplaceable, so what would happen if say, the US government disappears? There would be chaos, anarchy, wars, economic repression, etc, possibly even nuclear war as well. USA may never recover, or USA may recover slowly and will have to start all over again to work its way back to its former glory. So why should China do that? Simply because you claim no one is irreplaceable? If the government allows that, then Tibet will want its own independent government, then maybe Xinjiang as well, then Hong Kong will push for independence, and no one will stop Taiwan from declare independence. So isn't China doomed to break up into many smaller countries (like the collapse of the Soviet Union) if China doesn't have the strong central government we have today?
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  23350. kelly hu Firstly, Who is the one calling me "a defender of decayed dictator" here? I compared your behavior to that of SJWs, because such people are idealistic in nature and attempt to apply textbook definitions to real life. For example, you mention China is oligarchy, but if you search online for The World's 5 Most Powerful Oligarchies, they are India, Britain, Russia, China and USA. So what's the point of oligarchy, communism and democracy? Secondly, you tell me not to use other countries' problems, then why'd you brought up Singapore later in your paragraph? Why are you applying unfair double standards between you and me, regarding using other countries as example? You are the one brought up Singapore, then why can't I bring up other countries as well? Thirdly, more of your "textbook" examples? Nobody is interested in textbook definitions because the real world is not like your imaginary and ideal world described in your example. USA blames China for cheating, India blames China the same and likewise China will do the same to other countries when you target us. Fourthly, why you can talk about Singapore, but I can't mention other countries? Why the double standards here? Also, have you compared the size of Singapore's PAP against the largest political party in the world, the Communist Party of China? Its much easier to handle corruption in small party, compared to large party isn't it? Lastly, since you said, no one can guarantee that multiparty system has zero corruption, then why should we adopt it then? Why risk it if it not guaranteed successful? I already mentioned previously, that if CPC allows another party, then Taiwan, Hong Kong, Tibet, Xinjiang will want to declare independence too. China will become divided, like the Soviet Union Collapse, and no longer as powerful as before. Example: Look at British India, being partitioned into India and Pakistan, and then later Bangladesh being created. A country is strong if united and weak when divided. British India would be supremely powerful if left unpartitioned when British left, but each separation weakens the original country. So why should China do that? I mean, I draw upon many real-world examples to compare with China to support my points, but all you do is regurgitate textbook definitions and apply idealistic solutions without caring for the consequences. Why don't you get your head out of the textbook and look at real-world political realities instead?
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  23351. +kelly hu Treated unfairly? Don't you see how you keep telling me not to bring up other countries, whereas you can constantly bring up Singapore? Who is treating others unfairly here? Why is it you can criticize China, but I can't defend China and critic other countries as well? Are other countries somehow immune to criticism, but not China? If I proved others wrong using logic and examples, such as Singapore being ruled by PAP its entire life, and about India being multi-party system, but equally corrupted, then what's wrong with that? I did use logic and examples to prove my point, not like you who use "textbook definitions" that's all. Did you find out who the world's 5 most powerful oligarchies are? What makes you think that USA, India, UK are all truly democratic? Even throughout history, people have been traditionally ruled by a minority, whether it is monarchy (ruled by king), aristocracy (ruled by noblemen) or theocracy (ruled by priests). Rome had some form of democracy, but in the end, Rome succumbed to barbarians, when its provinces decide to break apart. China has 5000 years of history, and one of world's oldest "continuous" civilizations alive today, whereas other great ancient civilizations like Egypt and Rome have faded to historical textbooks. If China survived 5000 years without implementing democracy, then why is there a sudden need to implement it then? Because the Westerners say so? Look at what happen to Rome after few thousand years. Like I said before, politics should be about doing what's right not what's popular. What's popular may not be right and what's right may not be popular. The One-Child policy is an example of unpopular policy, but if it wasn't implemented in 1970s, then China today would be possibly be overwhelmed by our population, with insufficient resources to sustain everyone and insufficient schools for all those children born. Example: Look at India today, and you can see that it is overpopulated. Not enough food to feed every newborn (high malnutrition rates) and not enough schools for all its children (Indian literacy rate is 72%, compared to China's 96% literacy rate) If China didn't have population control back then, it is likely China's situation would have ended up like India's today. That's why I keep saying SJWs only know idealistic notions learned from their textbooks that's all. Buts its a totally different story outside of school. What's the point of democratic voting, if 25% of your population is illiterate, as in the case of India? How can you expect such people to make the right choice during voting if they didn't graduate from school? You just blindly apply your idealistic beliefs to society and not caring about the consequences that's all, just like those SJWs who somehow think they know how to solve all the world's problems by themselves.
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  23415. Meanwhile, Western journals continue to predict an economic hard landing for China. 1990. The Economist. China's economy has come to a halt. 1996. The Economist. China's economy will face a hard landing. 1998. The Economist: China's economy entering a dangerous period of sluggish growth. 1999. Bank of Canada: Likelihood of a hard landing for the Chinese economy. 2000. Chicago Tribune: China currency move nails hard landing risk coffin. 2001. Wilbanks, Smith & Thomas: A hard landing in China. 2002. Westchester University: China Anxiously Seeks a Soft Economic Landing. 2003. New York Times: Banking crisis imperils China. 2004. The Economist: The great fall of China? 2005. Nouriel Roubini: The Risk of a Hard Landing in China. 2006. International Economy: Can China Achieve a Soft Landing? 2007. TIME: Is China's Economy Overheating? Can China avoid a hard landing? 2008. Forbes: Hard Landing In China? 2009. Fortune: China's hard landing. China must find a way to recover. 2010: Nouriel Roubini: Hard landing coming in China. 2011: Business Insider: A Chinese Hard Landing May Be Closer Than You Think. 2012: American Interest: Dismal Economic News from China: A Hard Landing. 2013: Zero Hedge: A Hard Landing In China. 2014. CNBC: A hard landing in China. 2015. Forbes: Congratulations, You Got Yourself A Chinese Hard Landing. 2016. The Economist: Hard landing looms for China. 2017. National Interest: Is China's Economy Going To Crash. 2018. The Daily Reckoning: China's Coming Financial Meltdown. 2019. BBC: China's Economic Slowdown: How worried should we be? 2020. NYT: Coronavirus Could End China's Decades-Long Economic Growth Streak. 2021. Bloomberg: Chinese economy risks deeper slowdown than markets realize. 2022. Bloomberg: China Surprise Data Could Spell RECESSION. 2023. Bloomberg: No word should be off-limits to describe China's faltering economy. ... But it's already 2024 and China's economy is still going strong.
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  23416.  @christopherhamlin6139  Western journalists have long been predicting China's economic collapse since 1990. Here's a compiled list: 1990. The Economist: China's economy has come to a halt. 1996. The Economist: China's economy will face hard landing. 1998. The Economist: China's economy entering a dangerous period of sluggish growth. 1999. Bank of Canada: Likelihood of a hard landing for the Chinese economy. 2000. Chicago Tribune: China currency move nails hard landing risk coffin. 2001. Wilbanks, Smith & Thomas: A hard landing in China. 2002. Westchester University: China Anxiously Seeks A Soft Economic landing. 2003. KWR International: How to find a soft landing if China.. 2004. The Economist: The great fall of China? 2005. Nouriel Roubini: The Risk of a Hard Landing in China. 2006. International Economy: Can China Achieve a Soft Landing? 2007. TIME: Is China's Economy Overheating? Can China avoid a hard landing? 2008. Forbes: Hard Landing in China? 2009. Fortune: China's hard landing. China must find a way to recover. 2010. Nouriel Roubini: Hard landing coming in China. 2011. Business Insider: A Chinese Hard Landing May Be Closer Than You Think. 2012. American Interest: Dismal Economic News from China: A Hard Landing. 2013. Zero Hedge: A Hard Landing in China. 2014. CNBC: A hard landing in China. 2015. Forbes: Congratulations, You got Yourself A Chinese Hard Landing.... 2016. The Economist: Hard Landing looms for China. 2017. National Interest: Is China's Economy Going To Crash? 2018. The Daily Reckoning: China's Coming Financial Meltdown. 2019. Zero Hedge: Seven Reasons Why China Is Facing A Hard Landing In 2019 2020. Forbes: Remember The China 'Hard Landing'? We Got One. 2021. Wall Street Journal: China’s Latest Challenge Is Engineering a Soft Landing for a Sputtering Economy ... But its already 2022, and China's economy is still going strong. So why continue to believe China's economy will fall, given that Western journalist predictions about China's collapse been proven consistently wrong for 30 years already?
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  23417.  @christopherhamlin6139  Western journals have long been predicting China's economic collapse since 1990. 1990. The Economist: China's economy has come to a halt. 1996. The Economist: China's economy will face hard landing. 1998. The Economist: China's economy entering a dangerous period of sluggish growth. 1999. Bank of Canada: Likelihood of a hard landing for the Chinese economy. 2000. Chicago Tribune: China currency move nails hard landing risk coffin. 2001. Wilbanks, Smith & Thomas: A hard landing in China. 2002. Westchester University: China Anxiously Seeks A Soft Economic landing. 2003. KWR International: How to find a soft landing if China.. 2004. The Economist: The great fall of China? 2005. Nouriel Roubini: The Risk of a Hard Landing in China. 2006. International Economy: Can China Achieve a Soft Landing? 2007. TIME: Is China's Economy Overheating? Can China avoid a hard landing? 2008. Forbes: Hard Landing in China? 2009. Fortune: China's hard landing. China must find a way to recover. 2010. Nouriel Roubini: Hard landing coming in China. 2011. Business Insider: A Chinese Hard Landing May Be Closer Than You Think. 2012. American Interest: Dismal Economic News from China: A Hard Landing. 2013. Zero Hedge: A Hard Landing in China. 2014. CNBC: A hard landing in China. 2015. Forbes: Congratulations, You got Yourself A Chinese Hard Landing.... 2016. The Economist: Hard Landing looms for China. 2017. National Interest: Is China's Economy Going To Crash? 2018. The Daily Reckoning: China's Coming Financial Meltdown. 2019. Zero Hedge: Seven Reasons Why China Is Facing A Hard Landing In 2019 2020. Forbes: Remember The China 'Hard Landing'? We Got One. ... But its already 2022, and China's economy is still going strong. So why continue to believe China's economy will fall, given that Western journalist predictions about China's collapse been proven consistently wrong for 30 years already?
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  23418.  @christopherhamlin6139  Western journals have long been predicting China's economy collapsing since 1990. 1990. The Economist: China's economy has come to a halt. 1996. The Economist: China's economy will face hard landing. 1998. The Economist: China's economy entering a dangerous period of sluggish growth. 1999. Bank of Canada: Likelihood of a hard landing for the Chinese economy. 2000. Chicago Tribune: China currency move nails hard landing risk coffin. 2001. Wilbanks, Smith & Thomas: A hard landing in China. 2002. Westchester University: China Anxiously Seeks A Soft Economic landing. 2003. KWR International: How to find a soft landing if China.. 2004. The Economist: The great fall of China? 2005. Nouriel Roubini: The Risk of a Hard Landing in China. 2006. International Economy: Can China Achieve a Soft Landing? 2007. TIME: Is China's Economy Overheating? Can China avoid a hard landing? 2008. Forbes: Hard Landing in China? 2009. Fortune: China's hard landing. China must find a way to recover. 2010. Nouriel Roubini: Hard landing coming in China. 2011. Business Insider: A Chinese Hard Landing May Be Closer Than You Think. 2012. American Interest: Dismal Economic News from China: A Hard Landing. 2013. Zero Hedge: A Hard Landing in China. 2014. CNBC: A hard landing in China. 2015. Forbes: Congratulations, You got Yourself A Chinese Hard Landing.... 2016. The Economist: Hard Landing looms for China. 2017. National Interest: Is China's Economy Going To Crash? 2018. The Daily Reckoning: China's Coming Financial Meltdown. 2019. Zero Hedge: Seven Reasons Why China Is Facing A Hard Landing In 2019 2020. Forbes: Remember The China 'Hard Landing'? We Got One. ... But its already 2022, and China's economy is still going strong.
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  23424.  @andrenogueira5058  You said: "Unfortunately... unemployment is rising fast - and those hundreds of million who are being thrown back into poverty are not smiling." President Xi has eliminated extreme poverty in China, and China has not seen people falling back into poverty in large numbers in the first half of this year according to an official from the National Rural Revitalization Administration (NRRA). Xu Jianmin, an official from the NRRA, said that up to now, 65% of those monitored have eliminated the risk of returning to poverty, and support measures have been implemented to the rest 35%, and the risk of them returning to poverty will be eliminated following a period of hard work. You said: "Neither are those who lent Chinese companies and are losing their money by the tens of billion." Do you have actual figures to support your claims? You said: "Not forgetting those other million with their deposits/savings inaccessible, frozen by banks struggling to keep afloat." Who said there was a million with their deposits/savings frozen? In Zhengzhou, the number is only around 1,000 people that gathered to protest, yet you're just exaggerating the figure to 1 million? You said: "Topped by even more million citizens who paid for apartments they will never see while losing their life-time savings." Evergrande's EV unit has said it receives pre-orders for more than 37,000 units of its first model Hengchi 5. The electric vehicle (EV) unit of Evergrande started to accept non-binding pre-orders two weeks ago, with buyers paying 1,000 yuan ($148.13) as a deposit for the pure-electric sport-utility vehicle priced from 179,000 yuan. If this goes well, it could help recoup losses for the parent Evergrande Group to pay its debts. You said: "Add to it the massive relocation of companies and production to other safer friendlier countries and the bad debt from Chinese lending abroad.." China had overtaken the United States as the world's largest recipient of foreign direct investment (FDI) in 2020. China had brought in $163 billion in inflows, compared to $134 billion attracted by the U.S according to the United Nations Conference on Trade and Development. Also, according to a report by the Green Finance & Development Center at Fudan University in Shanghai, 68 countries will pay China and its lenders almost $14 billion this year in debt servicing costs. You said: "The reality is Chinese economy is crumbling and at the edge of the abyss." You sound like those Western Journalists predicting a hard landing in China, yet never actually having gotten one out of China.
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  23425.  @andrenogueira5058  You said: "Now, understand me: I do not wish bad to the Chinese, on the contrary." You've been wishing for China's economic collapse all this time, why pretend that you do not wish ill onto China? You said: "But all of what's happening is a direct consequence of Chinese government's mismanagement, corruption and abuse." Explain how is that so? It's government policies that are alleviating poverty in China and providing support so that people in China do not slip back into poverty. The government has no control over how much Chinese companies borrow from creditors, neither is the government responsible for how much other countries choose to borrow from Chinese banks, so how is the government responsible for this? Even regarding Evergrande, it's the citizens themselves who choose to invest in a second apartment and it's the property speculation that drove Evergrande into its current state. President Xi Jinping said: "Houses are for living in, not for speculation! (房子是用来住的、不是用来炒的!)" so how is it the government's fault for people choosing to speculate over property? You said: "And specifically, for it going backwards and trying to reverse its openness and becoming aggressive" Look, all those problems you described are a result of capitalism seeping into China after Deng's economic reforms in the late 1970s. Debts, loans, property speculation, relocation of companies, they are all caused by capitalism. China is returning back to our communist roots that will help reduce the growing income inequality. You said: "My problem is not with the Chinese people - I am human, Chinese are exactly like me and deserve all the best. But when it comes to corrupt power-hungry degenerates, " Look, it was Chinese people that invested, or speculated over property prices, or borrowed money or lent money, not the government. In fact, it's actually the government that's stepping in most of the time to clean up the problems and propose solutions to these problems.
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  23426.  @andrenogueira5058  You said: "Now, understand me: I do not wish bad to the Chinese, on the contrary." You've been wishing for China's economic downfall all this time, why pretend that you do not wish ill onto China? You said: "But all of what's happening is a direct consequence of Chinese government's mismanagement, corruption and abuse." Explain how is that so? It's government policies that are alleviating poverty in China and providing support so that people in China do not slip back into poverty. The government has no control over how much Chinese companies borrow from creditors, neither is the government responsible for how much other countries choose to borrow from Chinese banks, so how is the government responsible for this? Even regarding Evergrande, it's the citizens themselves who choose to invest in a second apartment and it's the property speculation that drove Evergrande into its current state. President Xi Jinping said: "Houses are for living in, not for speculation! (房子是用来住的、不是用来炒的!)" so how is it the government's fault for people choosing to speculate over property? You said: "And specifically, for it going backwards and trying to reverse its openness and becoming aggressive" Because all those problems you described are a direct result of capitalism. China is returning back to our communist roots that will help reduce the growing income inequality. You said: "My problem is not with the Chinese people - I am human, Chinese are exactly like me and deserve all the best. But when it comes to corrupt power-hungry degenerates, " Look, it was Chinese people that invested, or speculated over property prices, or borrowed money or lent money, not the government. In fact, it's actually the government that's stepping in most of the time to clean up the problems and propose solutions to these problems.
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  23429.  @andrenogueira5058  You said: "But all of what's happening is a direct consequence of Chinese government's mismanagement, corruption and abuse." Explain how is that so? It's government policies that are alleviating poverty in China and providing support so that people in China do not slip back into poverty. The government has no control over how much Chinese companies borrow from creditors, neither is the government responsible for how much other countries choose to borrow from Chinese banks, so how is the government responsible for this? Even regarding Evergrande, it's the citizens themselves who choose to invest in a second apartment and it's the property speculation that drove Evergrande into its current state. President Xi Jinping said: "Houses are for living in, not for speculation! (房子是用来住的、不是用来炒的!)" so how is it the government's fault for people choosing to speculate over property? You said: "And specifically, for it going backwards and trying to reverse its openness and becoming aggressive" Because all those problems you described are a direct result of capitalism. China is returning back to our communist roots that will help reduce the growing income inequality. You said: "My problem is not with the Chinese people - I am human, Chinese are exactly like me and deserve all the best. But when it comes to corrupt power-hungry degenerates, " Look, it was Chinese people that invested, or speculated over property prices, or borrowed money or lent money, not the government. In fact, it's actually the government that's stepping in most of the time to clean up the problems and propose solutions to these problems.
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  23439. Tibet was part of China since 800 years ago, when Mongolians conquered both Tibet and Song dynasty China, and made Tibet part of Yuan dynasty. Tibet broke free of China in 1911, but was reincorporated back in 1951, and under Chinese government, Tibetan lives have improved tremendously. For example, mountainous Tibetan soil is infertile, and the serfs struggle to feed the population and the 5% elite slave owners. Starvation was commonplace, crime was punished by torture and mutilation, even by skinning. There is Tibetan drum called damaru that make use of human slave skulls, human skin and using human bone for the drumstick. But under Chinese government, Tibet's population grew from 1.14 million in 1951, to around 3 million today, triple its size today. This is because food can now be imported from the mainland to feed Tibetans. As far as I know, Tibet's population is 90% Tibetan and about 6% Han Chinese, so how is the ethnic local populations being replaced? Han Chinese settle in Tibet to help build roads and infrastructure like railways, such as Qinghai railway (world's highest elevation railway) going through difficult mountainous terrain with low oxygen environments, so that the normally isolated Tibet is connected with rest of the world. Source:Tibet's population was 1.14 million in 1951. is.china-embassy.org/eng/zt/ChinasTibet/t427565.htm If you don't "re-educate" the Kashmir people, then how will the people of Kashmir ever feel like they are part of India? The Kashmir people feel alienated by Indians, and Indian Army can just commit atrocities like rape on Muslim women, without retribution. The Indian Army still has to deal with separatists issue, just like PLA in Tibet as well, and abuse the Armed Forces (Special Powers) Act that protect Indian higher-ups from persecution by rape victims. India is the world's largest democracy, but what exactly has it done for India at all? But China is even worst, since we are communist country, and automatically doomed to fail, isn't it? Jai Hind! Please rescue poor Chinese from our own government here!
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  23440. Like I said, Tibet was made part of China since 800 years by Mongolians (and also later by the Manchu people) so why are you blaming Han Chinese, when it was Mongolians and Manchu people that made Tibet part of China? You claim Tibetans are violently disagreeing with this, but where is your evidence? Only small minority of Tibetans in Tibet have separatist ideals, but other than that, the Tibetans have largely accepted Chinese sovereignty. You mean just because a few separatists from India, in Kashmir or North East India want to break away from India, means the all those states want independence? What is your logic here? As for opium, yes, during the 19th century, the British wanted to continue drinking our tea, but had nothing that Chinese people wanted in return, so British waged two blood wars and forced Chinese people to buy opium from them at gunpoint, which we didn't want because it made us sick and was poisoning our people, turning us into dogs of the West. But today, China is no dog of the West anymore. Modern China was built by sweat, blood, tears and sacrifice of Chinese people to turn China from dirt-poor, starving and wartorn country, into an economic power, protected by world's largest land army, the PLA, and potential rival to USA. 30 years ago, nobody expected Communist China to ever succeed or to participate in global activities. After the Soviet Union collapse, many people assumed China will be next. But China didn't fall and instead became an economic juggernaut today and a global player of world politics. You can hardly go through the day's news without any mention of China at all, since China now has such a large global presence. But what of India? Is India still a doing the bidding of the West? You want to talk about human spirit, then Chinese people have worked hard to get to where we are to day, building infrastructure, working long hours at sweatshops, earning only a pittance over years to get to where we are today. You and the Western media keep saying "This will be China's downfall" but China is still here and growing stronger everyday, so who is the ignorant one here? I mean, you still haven't produced any evidence of the human rights violations against the Ugyhurs at all, whereas I have shown the rape that is going on in Kashmir on Muslim women. Yet you still said previously: "Exactly. That's why I don't understand why Muslims hate India and support China."
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  23487.  @Castapher  "神州 Shenzhou Hawaii became US territory after numerous referendums from the citizens and habitants of Hawaii." Only U.S citizens in Hawaii were allowed to vote for Hawaii to join USA. The inhabitants of Hawaii only get to votd if they voluntarily become U.S citizens themselves (thus tying themselves to America) and those inhabitants that wanted independence obviously didn't become U.S citizens and their votes didn't show up in the Hawaii referendums. This is one of the insidious ways USA use to claim ownership of a territory that they never historically owned. Ownership of Guam was transferred from Spain to USA, and the citizens of Guam get no political say. Guam inhabitants can't even vote in U.S presidential elections, despite being American citizens themselves, the same goes for Puerto Rico being unable to vote for the U.S President. As for Philippines, the Americans initially promised to grant Philippines independence if the Filipinos aided USA against Spain. But after the U.S fought Spain, the Americans broke their promise and forcefully took over Philippines as an American colony, sparking off the Philippine American War in which only 4,000 American soldiers but 20,000 Filipino soldiers died and a whopping 250,000 Filipino civilians died, and Philippine lost and became an American colony. Video: The Philippine American War-The Shocking Truth youtu.be/bN2wrZGcs8s The funny thing is how you phrase it as the Philippines "went to war" with USA even though they were fighting for Filipino independence.
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  23488.  @Castapher  You said: "SOMETHING CHINA WILL NEVER DO TO TAIWAN !" Well, Taiwan was historically part of Chinese territory (unlike the Philippines for USA) and even today, if you go and read Taiwan's own constitution, it says that Taiwan is part of China. According to its constitution, Taiwan claims all of mainland China (including Tibet, Xinjiang, Inner Mongolia, Manchuria, etc) as part of their territory, including territory currently under the control of Mongolia, Myanmar, Bhutan, India, Japan, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Russia and Tajikistan. Since Taiwan can continue to claim all of mainland China, then can't mainland China continue to do the same to Taiwan? "China claimed South China Sea many small islands without war, without plebiscites." Yes, China claimed those small islands without war, unlike when USA fought the Spanish for Guam and Philippines. And you can't hold plebiscites when there aren't any indigenous inhabitants in many of the South China Sea Islands. "They just formed artificially those Islands against Maritime law of the Sea." If you are referring to UNCLOS (United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea) then there is no prohibition against the construction of artificial islands. It does say that artificial islands don't not possess the status of islands, but nothing about prohibiting their construction. "They ignored the Judge decision that by international law can't own the 9 dash line as a whole." Which judge decision are you referring to? And before the 9 Dash Line, the Republic of China 🇹🇼 (1912-1949) had previously published the 11 Dash Line and claimed the South China Sea islands for China. The ROC lost the mainland to communists and they fled to Taiwan where they still maintain 11 Dash Line. The People's Republic of China 🇨🇳 had reduced the number of dashes by 2, and it became the 9 Dash Line. "China actually invaded and owned those Islands because they simply wanted it." Since there are no indigenous inhabitants in many of those South China Sea Islands, it wasn't really an invasion, given that historically, China had claimed those islands and reasserted claims time and time again. Back when ROC published the 11 Dash Line, no one objected to China's claims, not the Vietnamese, not the Philippines, not even the USA. The USA even gifted their warships (like the USS Decker) to help ROC liberate the South China Sea from Japanese occupation, and this warship was renamed ROCS Taiping (太平). One of the South China Sea Island (Itu Aba island) was even renamed Taiping Island in honor of the warship that landed on it. "Yes, there are Islands that belonged to Vietnam, and China stole their islands and killed vietnamese and claimed those Islands as their own." Which islands are you talking about and can you prove that they belong to Vietnam?
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  23489.  @Castapher  "神州 Shenzhou You are wrong, about Hawaii elections, a lawful resident of Hawaii could also vote." What is a lawful resident of Hawaii? Those indigenous inhabitants of Hawaii who refused to register themselves as U.S citizens aren't allowed to vote for Hawaii independence. Those inhabitants that acquire U.S citizenship are tying themselves to USA and now have a vested interest to vote for Hawaii to join the USA. Furthermore, U.S citizens from mainland USA were flooding into Hawaii faster than the inhabitants could reproduce, and their votes eventually swayed the referendum in favor of Hawaii joining the U.S. It's a tactic that USA uses to sway elections to their favor, and in this case, eventually the inhabitants of Hawaii wanting independence were outnumbered by U.S citizens. Citizens living in Puerto Ricans and Guam cannot participate in voting during U.S Presidential elections even though those territory are considered part of the United States. You said: "We could argue about the war of US and Spain for so long. But the truth is there: USA gave Philippines independence. That's something that China can never do." Obviously, China can't give independence to the Philippines because the Philippines is not a Chinese colony nor part of China. But the Americans initially promised Philippines independence if they side with USA against the Spanish, but the USA betrayed them and claimed Philippines for a US colony. You said: "China says is a better democracy than USA, but China doesn't accept people's voice and opinions." There are many ways to define "democracy", one definition is a government of the people, for the people, by the people. A recent Harvard and Ash Center survey has revealed that around 80-90% of Chinese citizens support the Communist Party of China. "A Harvard University survey has found that Chinese citizens' satisfaction with government has increased virtually across the board, with the central authorities receiving the strongest level of approval, increasing from 86 percent to 93 percent between 2003 and 2016, the period of the study." In contrast though, 3 in 5 Americans are dissatisfied with the way democracy is working in the United States today according to a poll by Economist. So depending on your definition of "democracy" it appears that many Chinese are satisfied with the communist party's governance of China, compare to many Americans being dissatisfied with theirs. You said: "If an USA territory wants to achieve independence, all they have to do is vote and do plebiscites and let the people vote and decide....All those processes are impossible in China and you know it." That's a frightening thought for the USA: to see the United States possibly fracturing into multiple countries (possibly if Texas succeed). We have already witnessed the United Kingdom exiting the European Union, and each separation weakens the strength of the original power. That's why China fight so hard to hold on to our territories like Xinjiang, Tibet, Hong Kong, etc, because we don't want to end up a weak and divided nation, like China was in the past. "China wants to expand, that's why it can't never grant independence to Taiwan." As previously mentioned, Taiwan considers itself part of China under their own constitution, and still claims all of mainland China as part of their territory, so can't mainland China do the same to Taiwan? As for China's expansionism, which country has formally become a Chinese colony?
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  23490.  @Castapher  "神州 Shenzhou The Islands that belonged to Vietnam are the Yagong Island and the Crescent group of reef from the south of Vietnam." So this Yagong Island, do you have proof that it belonged to Vietnam? Prior to 2013 the island was a barren stretch of coral and clamshells surrounding a central lagoon, and China eventually developed the island to become home to a residential population of about 100 fishermen with solar power and a desalination plant. "Regarding Taiwan's Constitution claiming all mainland China, that's from the original ROC from the 1950's. Once Taiwan's become independent, their Constitution will change." So since Taiwan has not formally declared independence and amended their constitution, that means by default Taiwan is part of China under their own constitution. Most major countries in the world, including USA, UK, France, Germany, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, India, Japan, Korea, etc, acknowledge the One-China Policy that Taiwan is part of China. "You keep insisting China has the historical claims im the SCS, but the Court international law of the sea already said cannot claim the 90% of SCS because of historical claim," What is this "Court International Law of the Sea" are you talking about? If you're referring to the International Court of Justice, then the ICJ did not made any such ruling against China's claim to the SCS. Show me which court you are referring to. "You say China is a peaceful nation and yet everything what they are doing, is really the opposite." China is current at peace, can you name me which country is China currently at war with? As in actual war with tanks, fighters, submarines and what not? I mean, China's People's Liberation Army hasn't had any actual combat experience since our last conflict in 1979, everyone knows China's army is inexperienced in actual warfare.
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  23496.  @Castapher  "Later during the 1950's France handed those Islands to Republic of Vietnam" The Republic of Vietnam (South Vietnam) eventually lost to North Vietnam, after the United States abandoned their allies during the Fall of Saigon and left the South Vietnamese to their fate. On 1956, the North Vietnam Communist government formally accepted that the Paracel and Spratly islands were historically Chinese, and the North Vietnam PM Pham Van Dong even wrote a diplomatic letter to Chinese premier Zhou Enlai. In 1958, the People's Republic of China issued a declaration defining its territorial waters which encompassed the Spratly and Paracel Islands. North Vietnam's prime minister, Pham Van Dong, sent a diplomatic note to Zhou Enlai, stating that "The Government of the Democratic Republic of Vietnam respects this decision." The diplomatic note was written on September 14 and was publicized on Nhan Dan newspaper(Vietnam) on September 22, 1958. You said: "Taiwan is part of China? Go and read Taiwan's own constitution, it says that Taiwan is part of China. Since there hasn't been any amendments to Taiwan's constitution then by default, Taiwan is part of China under their own constitution. Even the United Sates President Biden acknowledged the One-China Policy that Taiwan is part of China. You said: "Since when was the last time your leader Xi has visited the Island?" Well, since when was the last time Joe Biden visited Guam island? Yet Guam is part of the United States of America, just as Taiwan island is part of China. You said: "Has the CCP commanded the Island before?" Well, then why is it Taiwan cannot join the United Nations? Is there something that's preventing Taiwan island from joining the UN like an independent country could? You said: "Your leader Xi was elected by the very own CCP party., not the people." Plenty of democratic countries have a leader that's elected by the parties, not the people. Take for example Canada, and Justin Trudeau was elected by the Liberals. Also, British PM Boris Johnson was elected by the Conservative party, and the people of Canada and Britain did not vote for their current leaders. "The court I am talking about is: International Tribunal For the law of the Sea, established by the Third United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea. * it ruled out China can't own the whole SCS based on historical facts.. Remember, this decision was during a dispute of China with Philippines." I went to the International Tribunal For the law of the Sea website and checked the List of Cases, and Philippines did not file any case with this International Tribunal, what are you talking about? According to their website, here's their most recent cases. International Tribunal For the law of the Sea: List of Cases Case No. 29: (Switzerland/Nigeria) Case No. 28: (Mauritius/Maldives) Case No. 27: (Switzerland v. Nigeria) Case No. 26: (Ukraine v. Russian Federation) Case No. 25: (Panama v. Italy) Case No. 24: (Italy v. India) ... There's NO case number in International Tribunal For the law of the Sea involving China/Philippines, could you list me the Case No? Are you sure this the correct International Tribunal you are referring to? You said: "You said China is a peaceful nations?" Yes, China is currently at peace, which country is China currently at war with? You said: "But the images of the satellites doesn't lie. It shows China conducting bombings against dummies of US Navy ships." Well, that's a military exercise and countries all over the world conduct military exercises of their own. It's to brush up on the People's Liberation Army combat readiness. You said: "They are mass producing nuclear nukes." The number of nukes China has is far less than the number of nuclear weapons the United States have, the US has 3,750 nuclear warheads in its stockpile. You said: " Mass producing ships and planes. " The U.S military budget is more than the next 7 countries (including China's combined) and the U.S military production is far more than China's Again, all these points still doesn't change the fact that China is currently at peace and not at war, why can't you name a country that China is currently at war with? "China says is just educational camps for them, and yet the satellites images say the opposite." People have visited the ground coordinates of those satellite images and they found it's just normal schools, administration buildings and apartments. The “detention center” (geographic coordinates: 38.8367N, 77.7056E) claimed by ASPI, is actually a gerocomium in Markit county, Kashi Prefecture, Xinjiang The "detention center" (geographic coordinates: 38.9950N, 77.6682E) claimed by ASPI, is actually an elementary school in Yantaq township, Markit county, Kashi Prefecture, Xinjiang The “detention center” (geographic coordinates: 39.8252N, 78.5501E) claimed by ASPI, is actually a logistics park in Bachu county, Kashi Prefecture, Xinjiang The “detention center” (geographic coordinates: 38.9046N, 77.6153E) claimed by ASPI, is actually a middle school in Markit county, Kashi Prefecture, Xinjiang You said: "India tried to talk so many rounds of peaceful talks and offer constructive ideas on how to solve the LAC issue And China never wanted to offer suggestions." What suggestions did India offer? China’s former top diplomat, Dai Bingguo offered to solve the border issue by suggesting that if India agreed to make concessions in the eastern sector, then China would also make concessions in Aksai Chin.
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  23501.  @Castapher  "If North Vietnam accepted the Parcels Islands are part of China, then why did the Chinese PLA killed dozens of vietnamese in those islands?" Because North Vietnam suddenly changed their minds after previously admitting that the Paracel Islands are part of China. Also the majority of the Paracel Islands lie within 200 NM of China's geographic baseline, so China can claim those islands as within China's EEZ You said: "- Regarding Taiwan's Constitution, IN WHICH ARTICLE of Taiwan's Constitution specifically says "Taiwan is part of China". " After the 1992 consensus, both the mainland and Taiwan government agreed that there is only One China (One China Policy) and that Taiwan is part of this China. And since there hasn't been any amendments to Taiwan's constitution, then by default, Taiwan is part of China under their own constitution. You said: "Joe Biden doesn't even have one year of being President. " Then let's take the previous U.S President Donald Trump. Did Trump ever visited Guam while as U.S President? You said: _-You said there is no case number regarding Philippines within the UNCLOS website? At least you can read the story about the case and the verdict in here: _ Hey, that's Not the International Tribunal For the law of the Sea, like you claimed earlier this is the Permanent Court of Arbitration, which isn't even a recognized UN agency. Since this PCA is not a recognized UN agency, then China reserves the right not to adhere to its ruling. I mean, you can't even name me the Case No. in the first place, because this was the PCA, not the International Tribunal For the law of the Sea, the two are different organizations. You said: "- Again, you said that China is not currently at war, is just a matter of time." That means China is currently at peace, since you can't name any countries that China is currently at war with. You said: "WHY CHINA NEVER ACCEPTS INVESTIGATORS OR REPORTERS OR JOURNALISTS TO INVESTIGATE IN THOSE CAMPS OR INVESTIGATE THE ORIGINS OF CORONAVIRUS?" BBC Journalists visited those schools and they found nothing amiss and unable to find evidence of any human rights abuses. And why this suddenly morphed into the investigations of the origins of the coronavirus? On 14 Jan 2021, a World Health Organization Team landed in Wuhan to conduct an investigation into the origins of the Coronavirus. The team visited the Wuhan Huainan Seafood Market and their findings indicate that the virus had entered the market from externally. They also visited the Wuhan Institute of Virology and they all but dismissed the possibility of lab leak as highly unlikely.
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  23512.  @praisethelegendarymessiahs2617  The Chinese political system is very similar to Singapore's political system. Look, there were literally no elections held for Singapore President Halima Yacob (that's why you failed to tell me the latest Singapore Presidential poll results, because there were none) yet you complain about no freely elected national leaders in China? Singapore's opposition is literally a joke, they exist to make the PAP look good that's all, so the Singapore people vote for the PAP, and it's dominance is such that Singapore is effectively a one-party state, having been under authoritarian PAP rule for 56 years (their whole life as a nation) similar to China being under Communist Party of China (CPC) rule for 72 years. Singapore government also controls all religious activity, you have to apply for government permit. For example, in Singapore, all religious foot processions are banned and this ban was imposed in 1964, after riots. Go ahead and just try to remove the PAP from power. The PAP has several tools at their disposal to get rid of Singaporean dissenters and political rivals. Haven't you heard of Singapore dissident Francis Seow being arrested by Lee Kuan Yew? According to Human Rights Watch: Singapore Singapore’s political environment is overwhelmingly repressive. Citizens face severe restrictions on free expression, association, and peaceful assembly through overly broad criminal laws and regulations. The government has aggressively enforced a sweeping “online falsehoods” law that permits government ministers to order the “correction” or removal of online content. As for China, the National People's Congress (NPC) elects the President of the People's Republic of China and the Vice President of the People's Republic of China. The NPC also appoints several governmental executives like the Premier of the State Council and many other crucial officials to the central state organs. The NPC has the power to remove the above-mentioned officials from the office.
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  23531.  @adoreslaurel  Li Cunxin is how many years ago? Li was the sixth of seven brothers, born into poverty and had to support his extremely poor family. It was actually thanks to the Communist Youth League that granted Li the opportunity to learn ballet and study overseas. He was offered a full scholarship to study at the Houston Ballet summer school and Li was one of the first students from the Beijing Dance Academy to go to the United States under financial support from the central government of the People's Republic of China. But hey, how does Li repay the kindness by the Communist Party? He defected, and forgot about his poor family, his brothers. Why did Li join the communist party at all, if he wanted to pursue his own selfish interests and don't want to serve his country? Communist members strive to make China better for everyone, not selfishly pursue their own interests after receiving money from the government. And what's this about the government persecuting his poor family and not allowing them to see him? His impoverished parents probably couldn't even afford a ticket to fly over to the United States, it's thanks to China's development that more people are now able to fly all over the world. His parents scaped together what little money they had to send their kid overseas (with additional financial assistance from the government) and he repay their kindness by abandoning them and pursuing his own selfish career? But hey, you're just going to be ignore all the good that CPC did for Li, and just concentrate on bad things that's all. Because Western culture prioritise their own individualism and selfish interests, over the interests of the community and Li Cunxin also became infected with this Western mindset. But you spin a tragic tale in order to somehow pin the blame on the Communist Party, which actually granted Li the opportunity to learn English and study abroad and propelled him to where he is today. …… But that's over 50 years ago, what has racism in Australia today even got to do with Communist Party? Are you going to spin another one-sided tale like you did with Li Cunxin? Can't you see the depth of anti-China propaganda ingrained in you to automatically perceive communists as bad?
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  23532.  @adoreslaurel   Firstly, nobody forced Li Cunxin to join the Communist Youth League, he did so of his own accord. Joining the Communist Party of China means that you dedicate your life to helping China, that's what it means to be a communist member. Sacrificing your own personal interests over those of the community. It doesn't mean that you can abandon your own country and selfishly pursue your own interests. It's just like community service for example, it's about doing the necessary but boring cleanup work, to make society better, not about doing what you want. Being a communist party member is about contributing your time and effort to help China, not running away to pursue your own career in another country. Instead of performing for home audiences, Li decided to perform for world audiences, isn't that turning his back on China? Secondly, it's thanks to the Communist Party of China that Li had the opportunity to study abroad. Li was born into poverty in the Li Commune near the city of Qingdao in Shandong province and often had to support his extremely poor family. How could he ever afforded the plane ticket to fly to the USA if it weren't for the government? He was offered a full scholarship to study at the Houston Ballet summer. Li was one of the first students from the Beijing Dance Academy to go to the United States under financial support from the central government. The government sponsored Li's studies overseas yet how did Li repay the kindness by the CPC? He defected on the eve of his scheduled return to China, once his studies were complete. He broke the terms of his scholarship in pursuit of his own selfish interests, instead of repaying the kindness of the central government sponsoring his education. Lastly, regarding his parents, like I said earlier, Li came from an impoverished family, how do you expect that his parents to have the money necessary to fly to America? His parents never had the money to go to Beijing (let alone the USA) so they never saw him dance before. Li Cunxin made so much money in the United States, yet he hardly send money back home to his parents who scraped together what little they had to send their kid overseas to study (along with government financial assistance). But hey, you're just going to ignore the fact that the CPC made Li Cunxin what he is today, because you're immune to anything good that the communist party does for our people. Western mindset is mostly about pursuing your own individual success over that of the community, whereas Chinese mindset is primarily about putting the needs of the community over those of the individual. We can see that with how many Westerners refuse to wear masks in public, because it's their rights to not wear masks and they prioritise their individual rights over the safety of the community, that's different from the Chinese mentality. …… Also how does your Li Cunxin example from 1980s link to the current anti-China sentiment in Australia? How is the communist party to blame for Australian anti-China attacks against Chinese/Asian Australians?
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  23533.  @adoreslaurel  Why can't I bring up anti-China sentiment in Australia? With rising reports of racist attacks against Chinese students in Australia, education insiders advised students to choose their study destinations with caution and urged Chinese education authorities to issue an alert for safety risks. Source: Experts call for education alert over Australia amid mounting racist attacks globaltimes.cn/page/202102/1215033.shtml According to China Education Association for International Exchange (CEAIE), a non-profit organization, there have been more reports of Chinese students being abused and beaten in Australia, apparently due to race. There were such reports on three consecutive days in January. A female Chinese student was insulted and beaten in the head by a group of six people in Sydney on January 12. A master's degree student surnamed Wu at Monash University was beaten by a white man after shopping near the campus and had the cartilage in his nose broken the following day. On the evening of January 14, a Chinese student at Australian National University was attacked by a group at a bus station in Canberra, getting serious injuries to his jaw, right cheek and multiple abrasions. The abusers also insulted them with racist words like "chigga." As for Li, like I said, he chose to join the Communist Youth League. That means dedicating your life to helping China, sacrificing your own personal interests for the nation. If Li don't want to be bound by such restrictions, then don't join the communist party then. How did Li perform for China on the world stage? He's performing for USA or Australia on the world stage, not China, so it's clear that he turned his back on China. He choose to pursue his selfish career at the expense of his family, and repaid the kindness by the communist party by defecting to the West and breaking the terms of his scholarship. His family was so poor that they couldn't even afford to travel to Beijing to watch him perform, let send their son to the USA, it was the government that sponsored the Li's education and he never repaid it by dedicating his life to China. But hey, you're just anti-China that's all and refuse to acknowledge the CPC sponsoring Li's education. The Western mindset is to pursue your own selfish interests over the interests of the community, whereas Chinese mindset is to sacrifice your individual interests for the sake of the community. You're the one deliberately blaming the Chinese government when it was they that afforded the impoverished Li the opportunity to study abroad and it was Li that renegaded on his scholarship.
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  23534.  @adoreslaurel  Li Cunxin renegaded on his scholarship, do you even understand what the consequences are for doing that? The scholarship pays for his education but bonds him as part of the terms of the scholarship. Li was from an impoverished family, but it was thanks to his parents for saving money and the Communist Party of China for financing his studies overseas. And how does he repay their kindness? By defecting to the West and forgetting his family? He chose selfish fame and fortune, instead of coming back to China and helping out people, because Western mindset is prioritise individual interests over that of the community, whereas Chinese mindset is prioritise the community's interests over the individual. Explain how would Li performing around the world be seen as a Chinese success, when Li himself refused to even come home to China to fulfill his end of the scholarship? He made it rich in the West, did he even bothered to send money back to his poor parents, who scraped together what little they have to send their son overseas? You can't even refute my sound arguments regarding Li Cunxin, you just claim it's wasted talent because you're anti-Chinese collectivist culture and pro-Western individualist culture. And you refuse to admit that the CPC sponsored Li's education. …… Asian-Australians have reported almost 400 racist attacks since the beginning of the pandemic according to the country's leading survey of anti-China racism. Osmond Chiu, a fellow at independent progressive thinktank Per Capita, authored the survey in collaboration with the Asian Australian Alliance and Being Asian Australian. Source: Almost 400 anti-China attacks since pandemic began smh.com.au/politics/federal/almost-400-anti-china-attacks-since-pandemic-began-20200607-p550a8.html "There definitely has been an increase," he said, noting that compared to similar data from the United States, there have been a higher proportion of racist incidents against Asian-Australians than Asian-Americans. The survey also revealed that of the racist incidents, roughly 90% were not being reported to police and the vast majority were perpetrated by strangers in public places. So just because you don't hear stories about anti-China racism around you, doesn't mean that it's not happening, it's being perpetrated against strangers, not people you actually know.
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  23535.  @adoreslaurel  Li was part of the Communist Youth League, he could have contributed far more to improving the lives of people in China, rather than pursuing his own self-interests. How exactly did Li performing around the world showcase China's success, you tell me? Normally, when a student gets the opportunity to study overseas but renegades on his scholarship, isn't he repaying kindness by treachery? Li choose to be abandon his family and his country by refusing to return home after completing his studies, because the Western mindset is putting your own selfish interests over those of the community. Whereas the Chinese mindset is to put the interests of the community over the individual. How much money did Li ever sent back to his poor family? They were so poor, they couldn't even afford to visit Beijing, let alone the USA, they spent probably their lives savings sending their son overseas to study. And how did Li repay his parents and the Communist Party that paid for his schooling? By deflecting and running away from serving China, to serve his own self-interests. But hey, you're just downright going to ignore whatever good the Chinese government did by sponsoring Li's education, because that's how one-sided you are. And Li's story was in 1980s, how about the rising anti-China sentiment in brewing in Australia today? How's President Xi Jinping to blame for Chinese/Asian Australians getting attacked by racist Australians? If China really didn't care about the welfare of our people, why would they issue travel advisory against Chinese students wanting to study in Australia for their safety? Source: Chinese students warned of racial attacks in Australia globaltimes.cn/content/1191105.shtml …… Australia fancies itself one of the "Big Boys" like USA, UK and EU. Australia fancies itself one of the rich, powerful Western(ized) country, but in reality, Australia is not as powerful economically as USA, UK, EU, neither is Australia as powerful militarily as USA and NATO. Yet Australia wants to go toe-to-toe with China, knowing that that Australia can't compete economically or militarily? Furthermore, Australia is located closer to Asia than America and Europe, so if any conflict breaks out in Asia, Australia is going to be at the frontlines. Not USA, UK or EU. I don't think Australian politicians like Scott Morrison even understand the geopolitical situation Australia is in right now, and what good does following the US anti-China stance even do for Australia?
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  23560.  @hangtuah888  "神州 Shenzhou You are incorrect to state that they came from Caucasus. Please opined if you know, for your information Caucasian is not a pejorative term but rather a genus term as in Mongoloid for reference to people from Asia." The term Caucasian is inaccurate and outdated, when used to refer to white people. When I studied English I did learn about the terms Caucasian and Mongoloid, but these terms have since become obsolete. Caucasian is the wrong term to use because it's too vague, it included people from Europe, Western, Central, and South Asia, North Africa, and the Horn of Africa. So if you use the term Caucasian, even Egyptians were considered Caucasian under this old classification. Referring to white people as Caucasian is also not polite. If you are Asian, how would you feel if someone calls you Mongoloid? Personally I would feel that is rude, and probably many Chinese, Japanese, Koreans, Vietnamese, etc would find the label Mongoloid to be rude. The term Mongoloid is even offensive to some in the sense it has a second usage referencing people with Down syndrome, now generally regarded as highly offensive. In the same way, using Caucasian to refer to white people is oftentimes considered rude nowadays. Of course, I agree with you that not all the Westerners are racists or discriminatory. But if Asians want to not be racists or discriminatory, then we need to learn which words are rude/offensive to Westerners, and I'm simply pointing out that the use of Caucasian is outdated. A better alternative to refer to White people would be Anglo-Saxon, in my experience.
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  23650.  @porksterbob  So you're saying that Taiwan doesn't even have control over their own constitution? Then it just shows Taiwan isn't an independent country after all, since they don't even have sovereignty over their own constitution for crying out loud. The 1992 consensus hasn't formally changed since 30 years ago, so since Taiwan can claim all of mainland China as part of their territory, then can't mainland China do the same to Taiwan? "Basically, Taiwan would love to stop claiming the mainland, but they also don't want to die." Do you have proof to support this claim of yours? According to the poll at 18:30 it shows that only a minority (5.6%) of the people of Taiwan want independence, and that the majority (87%) of the people of Taiwan favor the status quo. And the status quo according to Taiwan's constitution is that Taiwan is part of China, and that any move to formally declare independence would be taken as changing the status quo, an outcome that the majority do not favor. "Now, as to the legality of the claims... The ROC is older than the PRC. 1911 vs. 1949." Most of the world recognize the PRC as the real China over the ROC. Just recently, the Solomon Island and Nicaragua switched recognition of Taipei to Beijing, so what has the age of ROC even got to do with the legality of the claim? "Now, the reasons the KMT lost the civil war are complex, but a lot of it boils down to the fact that the KMT fought Japan" When Imperial Japan invaded Manchuria, KMT leader Chiang kai-shek was reluctant to fight the Japanese, instead he continued purging communists (our fellow Chinese) instead of meeting the invaders head on. Until two of his subordinates, Generals Zhang Xueliang and Yang Hucheng, had to kidnap Chiang and get him to ally with the communists. This incident was later known as the Xi'an Incident. Many young officers in the Northeast Army demanded Chiang be killed, but it was thanks to communist goodwill by Zhou Enlai and Lin Boqu, who arrived in Xi'an to negotiate for Chiang's release. If not for that, Chiang would most likely have been killed for his refusal to fight the Japanese.
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  23652.  @porksterbob  That's because those Taiwan separatists want to separate Taiwan from the mainland, even though those separatists are in the minority (only 5.6% want independence in the poll at 18:30 ) whereas the majority (87%) of the people of Taiwan want the status quo to continue. And the status quo according to Taiwan's constitution is that Taiwan is part of China, and that any move to declare independence would be seen as changing the status quo; an outcome that majority of people in Taiwan polled do not support. And the fact that Taiwan doesn't even have control over their own constitution, clearly shows Taiwan is not an independent country, since they don't even have sovereignty over their own constitution. Even in the Olympics for example, Taiwan cannot participate under their own name, they have to use the name Chinese Taipei. If war breaks out between Taiwan and the mainland, that would be seen as the continuation of the previously unresolved Chinese Civil War. And during civil war of course Chinese would be killing Chinese. Just like during the American Civil War, Americans were killing Americans. Or Koreans killing Koreans during Korean War. Or Vietnamese during Vietnam War, or any civil war for that matter. Lets take Imperial Japan out of the picture of the Chinese Civil War then. When Japan surrendered at the end of WWII in 1945, the strength of the KMT forces were: -2 million (regular) -2.3 million (militia) (June 1946) Whereas the Communist only had a strength of -1.2 million (regular) -2.6 million (militia) (July 1945) ... Source: Wikipedia: Chinese Civil War So even after WWII, the total KMT forces still outnumbered the communists, yet despite this numerical advantage, the KMT still lost the mainland to dirt-poor, starving communists and had to flee to Taiwan? If anything, this demonstrates KMT's gross incompetence in their right to rule the mainland, while cementing the communist's right to rule China. "I already went into the better polling from the nccu election study center higher up the thread. But the basic thing is that Taiwanese people don't want to start a war with China, not that they don't want to be independent" Those that want to be independent are only no. 5 (25.8%) and no. 6 (5.6%) of which makes up only 31.4% which is still a minority.
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  23654.  @porksterbob  There's an article online entitled: 11 Things You Should Know About Chiang Kai-shek that talks about how Chiang is a divisive figure. As the leader of KMT, Chiang purged communists from KMT ranks, which allowed him free reign to give himself what amounted to dictatorial power over much of China. His own generals (Zhang Xueliang and Yang Hucheng) had kidnapped him after some sections of the army felt that Chiang spent too much time worrying about maintaining his power in the party when he should have been focusing on the Japanese invasion of Manchuria. And it was actually thanks to communist goodwill that saved Chiang's leadership, after Zhou Enlai and Lin Boqu convinced the officers to release Chiang and allow him to take control of the government once again, though they made him agree to stop his campaign against the Communists and to lead the fight against the Japanese. The ironic thing is that although the Communist General Mao was responsible for much of the damage inflicted upon the Japanese, it was Chiang who got the credit mainly from Britain and the US, who saw him as the legitimate leader of China. But when civil war broke out in China, Chiang expected help from the allies, but his Western 'friends' abandoned him, as the US and Britain were reluctant to get involved in a civil war, preferring instead to encourage a peace deal between the two sides. When KMT fled the mainland to Taiwan, Chiang ruled Taiwan with an iron fist, holding the Taiwan presidency for 25 years, and imposed martial law on Taiwan for 38 years, which was qualified as "the longest imposition of martial law by a regime anywhere in the world" at that time. Chiang also suppressed local Taiwan culture by forbidding the use of local languages and, during a period known as ‘White Terror’, his party was responsible for the imprisonment of 140,000 Taiwanese. These people were taken captive for their alleged opposition to the KMT. At this time, anyone openly criticizing the ruling party was deemed a Communist sympathizer. (John Oliver even corroborates this at 6:27 )
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  23655.  @porksterbob  So Chiang's generals had their own powerbase, well was that because those soldiers did not support Chiang? Then it goes to show how disunited the KMT was that they had factional infighting. And the Communists had much smaller forces than the KMT, so they resorted to tactics that would enable a smaller force to take on a bigger opponent (such as guerrilla tactics) and they worked. According to the article I prescribed earlier, Mao was responsible for much of the damage inflicted upon the Japanese, but it was Chiang that gotten the credit. And if you think the KMT did the fighting against Japanese, consider the 1938 Yellow River Flood, which was an artificial flood created by the Nationalist KMT in an attempt to halt the rapid advance of Japanese forces. The KMT deliberately destroyed dikes along the Yellow River, causing massive floods that destroyed villages, killing 400k-900k and created 3 million refugees. It has been called the "largest act of environmental warfare in history" and an example of scorched earth military strategy. And again, lets take the period after WWII when the Japanese surrendered. After 1945, the KMT had a total strength of 4,300,000 (June 1946) whereas the communists had a total strength of 3,800,000 (June 1945) so the KMT still outnumbered the communists. Yet despite their numerical advantage, the KMT still lost the mainland to dirt-poor, starving communists and had to flee to Taiwan. And mind you, this was after 1945, so there was no more fighting the Japanese as an excuse. You've accepted Taiwan being under martial law for a long time, yet why are you accusing the mainland of being such? Taiwan was actually at it's most prosperous under authoritarian, single-party KMT rule, then can't the mainland prosper too under such a system? The Great Leap Forward was China's first attempt to industrialize and modernize our country. But it was bad weather like flood that caused destruction of crops and resulted in poor harvest and mass starvation. How can that be compared to the White Terror of Taiwan? If anything, it's possible that in the hypothetical scenario that Chiang had defeated the communists in the mainland, there would be a similar White Terror in the mainland under Chiang, conducted on a larger scale than in Taiwan (given that the mainland is bigger territory than Taiwan)
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  23814.  @khanhphaminh1175  Excuse me, but can't I defend a pro-Chinese content creator like Cyrus Janssen? Cyrus Janssen has been to China and he found out that China was nothing like what the Western MSM have been painting China as (in a negative light), and his videos have been about the positive message of "Building Bridges, Not Walls" and promoting U.S-China relations, which would not only be good for both our countries, but for the rest of the world as well. If U.S-China relations deteriorates, then all the world suffers, so Cyrus is actively trying to avoid relations deteriorating further. You said: "If Putin has a good reason, why did Putin not dare to attack Ukraine during the time Trump was in power, but had to wait until 8 years later?" Putin had tried other options first, such as diplomacy by calling for all parties to adhere to the Minsk Agreement that would stop the fighting, include a ceasefire, facilitate withdrawal of heavy weapons from the front line, and institute constitutional reform in Ukraine granting self-government to certain areas of Donbas (i.e Donetsk and Lugansk). But the Minsk agreement was not honored, and shelling in Donbas continued unabated for 8 years (by both sides) resulting in the deaths of 13,000 people. In February, Putin had tried diplomacy again, wanting a formal written assurances that NATO would not expand eastwards (i.e that Ukraine would not be allowed to join NATO). In fact, many NATO countries like Germany and France did not want to admit Ukraine into NATO (citing corruption concerns in it's government) yet they didn't put down this statement on writing to assure Putin. After realizing that all Russia's diplomacy and words had fallen on deaf ears all this time, Putin finally decided to act instead.
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  23816.  @treks6486  "Lets take some simple points, the house you live in, do you own it? Can you pass it down to your children?" The government leases property to buyers for a certain period. But although I do not live in a Western capitalist country, what I understand is that property owners need to pay the government a "land tax" for owning land. If ever your family that owns the land, is one day unable to pay the land tax, then the government can seize your property for themselves? That means that the landowner doesn't truly own the land after all, if they have to constantly pay taxes to the government, isn't it? "The car you drive, do you own it? Can you sell it and keep the cash?" Do you have to pay taxes when you purchase a car, as well as repeated annual taxes (i.e road tax) if which you do not pay, you're not allowed to drive on the roads? Then again, that doesn't necessarily mean that the car is yours, since car owners need to continue paying the government additional fees in order to keep their cars, isn't it? From what I understand, some countries don't even allow car owners to keep cars beyond a certain "expiry date", they'll either have to be scrapped, or pay an additional fee to continue keeping it. "Simple things like these, we in capitalistic democracies take for granted. Even our Government cannot take away what is legally ours." In some Western countries, the government can seize your property if you're one day unable to pay the property tax, and even with regards to cars, there is a false sense of ownership, when taxes need to be paid.
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  23818.  @treks6486  "When we buy a car, we pay a sales tax once only. The Government will issue an owner registration card. We own the car. It is our property." Do you need to renew this "owner registration card" ever so often? If so, then you don't really own the car if you have to pay the government just for owning one. You don't own the roads, but people who don't have cars don't have to pay road tax, even though they use the same roads as car-owners. "If we don't pay the fine, we cannot sell the car but the car is still ours." So you cannot drive the car out onto the roads and you cannot sell the car? Then it's practically useless, if your car is just sitting in the garage and cannot be sold or driven. Capitalism is like that, it gives you a false sense of ownership over your property or cars, but if you refuse to pay the government its taxes or dues, then you property or car is basically frozen, until you pay up. "In capitalist countries, we pay taxes to finance the government so that they can provide services for us." The services provided are due to socialism, not capitalism. In most capitalist countries, the rich corporations and CEOs can literally get away with not paying taxes. Recently in the United States for example, there was a leak that revealed American CEOs/billionaires like Elon Musk, Jeff Bezos, Warren Buffet, George Soros, paid little to no taxes during some years. "Very simple example, Road Tax is used to maintain the roads, house tax is used for garbage collection, street lighting, sewerage treatment, public drains to avoid flooding, ... maintain steady fuel prices for our cars, steady food prices and other essentials." Again, this is due to socialism, not capitalism. The Leftist are the people calling for (usually) more taxes on rich corporations and more support for the needy, whereas it's the Rightists who are (usually) anti-tax on corporations, although this is a generalization. And if anti-flooding measures aren't working, and if fuel prices are rising, it shows that a country is more capitalist than socialist. "You don't pay taxes in China?" We do. The thing is that in China, the Chinese government controls the Chinese corporations for China's benefit. The Chinese government is cracking down on tax evasion (i.e Actress Zheng Shuang fined $46 million and Fan Bing Bing fined $70 million, both for tax evasion), a sharp contrast to American CEOs/billionaires who can get away with not paying taxes. Because in the USA, the rich U.S corporations control the U.S government at the expense of ordinary American taxpayers.
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  23820.  @treks6486  "Why would a land owner refuse to pay the tax?" Because according to you, apparently there's no penalty for not paying the tax and the government allegedly can't seize the property. Then why continue to pay for something to which there is no penalty for not paying? If the government "promise" to let you keep the land for x no. of years, it just goes to show that you don't really own the land if you have to depend on government approval. True ownership of the land is when you absolutely have no need to pay any land tax or to ask the government for any permission, so it just appears that the land owner "feels like he/she is the owner" that's all, when this is just an illusion. "When the title is due, his children has the right to renew the title for a small fee" This another evidence the land doesn't truly belong to the land owner's family, since the children have to pay the government for the right to continue "owning their land." "When the economy picks up, people can afford to pay the land tax." When that happens, then the people will be once again living under the "illusion of land ownership" since they have pay the government for land that they supposedly own. "In China, how do you get a house?" Most Chinese families have a laojia (老家) a family home usually located in rural China, which was bestowed by the communists back during the founding of the People's Republic of China after 1949. After the Chinese Civil War, Chairman Mao Zedong seized the lands from the rich corrupted landlords in China and redistributed the lands among the dirt-poor peasants. For the first time in centuries, many peasant families had land to call their own, instead of having to pay taxes to the rich landlords in exchange for working on lands they did not own. In addition to having a laojia in the countryside, young Chinese couples today can buy houses/apartments in the cities (which tend to be rather expensive) and some even own a 2nd or 3rd property for speculation and investment. But the Chinese government is cracking down on speculative home buying as it may deprives another couple of a home to live in. As President Xi says: "Housing is for living, not for speculation. (房子是用来住的,不是用来炒的。) "
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  23821.  @treks6486  "So China has a lot of cars, they all belong to the government?" According to a survey conducted by Rakuten Insight, about 71.4% of the Chinese respondents stated they owned a car. However, China's vehicle ownership rate is still low by international standards at 37.5 vehicles per 100 urban households at the end of 2017. "When I want to sell the car, for say 20,000, I can afford to pay the road tax of say 50 :)" But according to you, you can't sell the car if you don't pay the tax, so how do you get your say 20,000 in order to pay the road tax of say 50? "It's not a false sense of ownership, it's the burden of ownership." You can dress it up all you like, but it is clearly not 100% owned by you. I mean, you literally stated that you cannot sell the car if you don't pay your road tax, that's a limitation imposed that shows that you don't really have full ownership over your vehicle when the government can block you from selling it or doing what you want with it. "If you don't own anything, then you don't have to pay for anything right? I own the thing, I am responsible for the thing, so I pay what is needed." This is what capitalism has been teaching people, and many people have come to accept the so-called "inevitability" of capitalism. But it doesn't have to be the case and history has shown how human societies transition from slavery (master and slave) to feudalism (lords and serfs) to capitalism (employer and employee). Which implies that there might be a transition from capitalism to another system eventually. Karl Marx believes the next transition is communism.
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  23824.  @treks6486  "Corruption exist in every country and I'm sure including China." Under President Xi Jinping, there are ongoing anti-corruption crackdowns to deal with the mountain of corruption inherent within the communist party. But when is the last time a Western democracy had an anti-corruption campaign of it's own? For example in the United States, Hilary Clinton is corrupt politician and Donald Trump promised to jail her during his presidential campaign. But after he became president, no further action been taken against Clinton for corruption. "I was speaking in general terms. Generally, the more you earn, the more you pay taxes. This is true for masses of people." While it may be true for the masses, it ain't so for the rich people like those exposed in the Pandora leak. "Since you are obviously against private ownership, what does "privately-owned Chinese firms" mean?" What has my being against private ownership got to do with the definition of that term? Did I ever mention that I am against private ownership in my previous comments? "Who owns this insurance? Who runs it? Do you have to pay a contribution every month? What happens if you don't have this insurance?" China’s Social Security System consists of 5 mandatory insurance schemes (pension fund, medical insurance, industrial injury insurance, unemployment insurance, and maternity insurance) + a housing fund (only applicable to Chinese employees). China’s social security law was promulgated by the central government, but its administration and specific details are governed by local authorities. For instance, for each benefit, the employee and employer contributions rates and base differ as per the local jurisdiction and are subject to annual changes and reforms.
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  23825.  @treks6486  "Simple, collect from the buyer. Renew the road tax insurance and pay whatever fees involved in the transfer of ownership." But according to you, you can't sell your car if you don't pay the road tax, so how to collect money from the buyer (which is considered a sale) to pay the road tax? "It is just a condition that the road tax must be renewed logically because the new owner wants to drive it on the road." So even though you supposedly own the car, you have to constantly pay road tax to the government, in order to drive your car. Then how's that ownership when you constantly have to pay the government in order to properly use your vehicle? "You see if I don't drive the car on the road, I don't have to pay road tax." People who don't own cars get to walk on the road, even though they don't pay road tax for using the road. Yet car-owners have to pay road tax just to use the same roads that non-car owners use. Basically, it's a tax on cars that's what it is. "I can drive the car in my farm (just example, I don't have a farm) I can do whatever with it in my property." For your property, you have to pay land taxes to your government, just for supposedly "owning your property." And apparently, since you claim there's no penalty for not paying the land tax, then why do land owners continue to pay land tax when there's no penalty for not doing so? "And if someone stole my car, the government will still try to catch them and return my car to me even though I didn't pay the road tax. The government recognizes that this car belongs to me." If government assets are stolen, then the government will also still try and catch them either way. If your stolen car was recovered and if the government realises you didn't pay road tax, there's a possibility that they won't return you your vehicle if you have unpaid road taxes. "B the way, if I sell it to a scrap yard, I don't need to pay road tax. I just need to go to government office to cancel my ownership name. I think it's free. " Again, this is another indication that you don't truly own your vehicle if you have to ask the government for permission to cancel your ownership. Even worst if it turns out you have to pay a fee just for disowning what you supposedly own. It's an "illusion of ownership" that pervades people's minds in capitalistic countries.
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  23826.  @treks6486  "You have a very ideological concept of ownership. So you don't own anything? Not even the computer you are typing on? " I type this on my mobile device, and I'm under no illusion that I own my phone 100%. Because I have to pay a subscription monthly phone fee for my phone, WiFi, messages, etc, in which if I don't pay, I won't be able to properly use my phone's functions to their fullest extent. This is the capitalistic world we live in, where we don't really 100% own our possessions. "So in China the government impose limitations on everything? So citizens cannot own anything?" Almost everything has some sort of limitation imposed, I can't think of something that hasn't any limitation imposed on it in China (if anyone does, feel free to correct me). But these limitations exist in Western capitalistic countries as well, like having to pay land tax for property owners, having to pay road tax for car owners, and other such examples mentioned previously. "Or are you saying people in China 100% own their things according to your definition of ownership?" No, I'm saying the opposite is true. We don't own anything 100%, because if we do, then we really don't need to pay anything (i.e zero) tax to the government, just for possessing or using something that we own. That's the true definition of "ownership". It's important to put this into perspective when talking about ownership of material possessions, that's why I'm describing this as "an illusion of ownership" like I said earlier.
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  23828.  @treks6486  "As long as there's human greed, communism is just not attainable. Unless the good hearted people kill all the evil greedy people." This is where humanity mindset needs to undergo an evolution of sorts, to start considering our fellow beings as our brethren. Our children need to be taught Marxism-Leninism, educated on communism and what makes it work, similar to how today, people living are educated on democracy and what makes it work. A system works because the people participating in it know their duties and their responsibilities. If there is a flaw in the system, it would be best if the system can self-correct itself. "Do you think that is possible? Even if they did achieve communism, it would last 1 generation only because their children will grow up greedy and corrupt the system." Our children may grow up greedy because the current education system is flawed by capitalism. If the education system teaches individualism and "how to make profits" at the expense of the community, then of course the children will turn out like that. However, if the education system is able to impart Marxism-Leninism teachings to students, then our children will grow up knowing what makes communism work. "1950's China has proven him wrong" After the 1949 Communist Revolution, Chairman Mao Zedong seized the lands from the rich landlords and redistributed it among the peasantry, freeing the peasants from having to pay taxes to corrupt landlords. Under Chairman Mao Zedong, China nearly doubled in population from 540 million in 1949 to 969 million in 1979. Life expectancy at birth under Mao nearly doubled from 35-40 years in 1949 to 65.5 years in 1980. Infant mortality rate and illiteracy rates halved under Mao. By 1959, illiteracy rates among youth and adults (ages twelve to 40) had fallen from 80% to 43%, and they have been steadily decreasing since.
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  23829.  @treks6486  "Your government is probably the largest capitalist practicing government in the world right now." If that's really the case, then why there still exists state-owned companies in China? Why doesn't China have (as capitalists call it) a "free market" as often claimed as a hallmark of true capitalism? "Your citizens buying properties, homes, apartments, condominiums overseas. They seem to believe in private ownership." Again, that's because the rest of the world is capitalistic, and offers up your land and property to be sold to Chinese buyers. And we have since discussed that land owners do not own the land 100%, they have to pay land taxes to the government or face possible consequences such as possible seizure of their property or so on. "Humanity is always evolving, nothing is permanent." That's true, and this begs the question: What comes next after Capitalism? It's apparent that capitalism is killing the planet. Capitalism is the over-production of goods in pursuit of profits, unnecessarily polluting the environment in the process, with the end goal being the depletion of the Earth's resources. Because our modern industries are just too efficient, we can literally produce enough food, goods, schools, houses, hospitals, for everyone on the planet. Yet we still have homeless people, starving people, illiteracy, people lacking access to affordable healthcare. Communism is the belief that every resource should be allocated according to needs. Karl Marx believed that capitalism can't possibly be the end goal of humanity's development, because it capitalism doesn't care about the well-being of the majority of humanity, only in enriching a small minority that's all.
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  23888. +Claire Aura China is purchasing resources from African countries legally, whereas the Westerners had colonized Africa for slaves and resources. In exchange for raw materials, Chinese workers help build infrastructure in African countries like roads, railways, highways, bridges, hotels, hospitals, schools, shopping centers, powerstations and telecommunication projects, since the 1980s. China has done much to help develop Africa in decades compared to what Westerners been doing in Africa for centuries. Under the Tibetan leaders, Tibet was brutal theocracy with 95% of the people in slavery and the remaining 5% slave owners. Tibetan mountainous soil was infertile so the slaves had to work hard to feed the population. Starvation and crime were commonplace, punishments were brutal and included torture, amputation of limbs and even skinning. There is this Tibetan drum called damaru that is made from 2 human skulls, a drum skin made from human skin and a drum stick made from human bone. But under China, Tibet has rapidly modernized and Chinese workers built roads, streetlamps, running water, gas and electricity. Modern technology like cars, computers, smartphones, the Internet, WiFi, telephone lines were built. The Qinghai-Lhasa railway (world's highest elevation railway) was built through difficult mountainous terrain and low oxygen environments to connect Tibet to the rest of the world. Food can now be imported from the mainland to feed Tibet, and a thriving tourist industry has sprung up in Lhasa. The first Tibetan universities were built thanks to China, and hydroelectric powerstations help supply Tibet with clean renewable energy. List of universities and colleges in Tibet wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_universities_and_colleges_in_Tibet List of major power stations in the Tibet Autonomous Region wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_major_power_stations_in_the_Tibet_Autonomous_Region
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  23934.  @MarkYeung1  Western journalists have been predicting China "hard landing" since 1990. Here's a compiled list of what they have to say about China's economy: 1990. The Economist. China's economy has come to a halt. 1996. The Economist. China's economy will face a hard landing 1998. The Economist: China's economy entering a dangerous period of sluggish growth. 1999. Bank of Canada: Likelihood of a hard landing for the Chinese economy. 2000. Chicago Tribune: China currency move nails hard landing risk coffin. 2001. Wilbanks, Smith & Thomas: A hard landing in China. 2002. Westchester University: China Anxiously Seeks a Soft Economic Landing 2003. New York Times: Banking crisis imperils China 2004. The Economist: The great fall of China? 2005. Nouriel Roubini: The Risk of a Hard Landing in China 2006. International Economy: Can China Achieve a Soft Landing? 2007. TIME: Is China's Economy Overheating? Can China avoid a hard landing? 2008. Forbes: Hard Landing In China? 2009. Fortune: China's hard landing. China must find a way to recover. 2010: Nouriel Roubini: Hard landing coming in China. 2011: Business Insider: A Chinese Hard Landing May Be Closer Than You Think 2012: American Interest: Dismal Economic News from China: A Hard Landing 2013: Zero Hedge: A Hard Landing In China 2014. CNBC: A hard landing in China. 2015. Forbes: Congratulations, You Got Yourself A Chinese Hard Landing. 2016. The Economist: Hard landing looms for China 2017. National Interest: Is China's Economy Going To Crash? 2018. The Daily Reckoning: China's Coming Financial Meltdown. 2019. BBC: China's Economic Slowdown: How worried should we be? 2021. Bloomberg: Chinese economy risks deeper slowdown than markets realize. 2022. Bloomberg: China Surprise Data Could Spell Recession. ... Yet it's already 2024 and China's economy is still going strong.
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  23935.  @MarkYeung1  "China's economy is facing a lot of headwind" 1990. The Economist. China's economy has come to a halt. 1996. The Economist. China's economy will face a hard landing 1998. The Economist: China's economy entering a dangerous period of sluggish growth. 1999. Bank of Canada: Likelihood of a hard landing for the Chinese economy. 2000. Chicago Tribune: China currency move nails hard landing risk coffin. 2001. Wilbanks, Smith & Thomas: A hard landing in China. 2002. Westchester University: China Anxiously Seeks a Soft Economic Landing 2003. New York Times: Banking crisis imperils China 2004. The Economist: The great fall of China? 2005. Nouriel Roubini: The Risk of a Hard Landing in China 2006. International Economy: Can China Achieve a Soft Landing? 2007. TIME: Is China's Economy Overheating? Can China avoid a hard landing? 2008. Forbes: Hard Landing In China? 2009. Fortune: China's hard landing. China must find a way to recover. 2010: Nouriel Roubini: Hard landing coming in China. 2011: Business Insider: A Chinese Hard Landing May Be Closer Than You Think 2012: American Interest: Dismal Economic News from China: A Hard Landing 2013: Zero Hedge: A Hard Landing In China 2014. CNBC: A hard landing in China. 2015. Forbes: Congratulations, You Got Yourself A Chinese Hard Landing. 2016. The Economist: Hard landing looms for China 2017. National Interest: Is China's Economy Going To Crash? 2018. The Daily Reckoning: China's Coming Financial Meltdown. 2019. BBC: China's Economic Slowdown: How worried should we be? 2021. Bloomberg: Chinese economy risks deeper slowdown than markets realize. 2022. Bloomberg: China Surprise Data Could Spell Recession. ... Yet it's already 2024 and China's economy is still going strong.
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  23960.  @bernardlowe5433  The USA separates parents from kids by deporting illegal immigrant parents, and then sending their kids to detention centres. Source: bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2019-07-03/trump-s-border-patrol-obscenities-will-shame-america-for-decades Adults were crammed into cells with only room to stand and that children weren’t given hot meals or showers. Migrants forced to clean themselves with wet wipes or subsist on bologna sandwiches had developed constipation and other medical problems. Running water wasn’t available and detained immigrants should drink from toilets, and they weren’t allowed to bathe or brush their teeth. “They don’t have the humanitarian conditions for people to be there,” one migrant told the newspaper. “There were more than 200 of us in a single cage — seated on the floor, standing, however we could fit.” The same person said that “the stench inside overflowing toilets was so bad it made him gag and caused children to vomit.” The Clint facility wasn’t providing migrants with toothbrushes, toothpaste or soap. “Children as young as 7 and 8, many of them wearing clothes caked with snot and tears, are caring for infants they’ve just met,” the Times wrote of the Clint camp. “Toddlers without diapers are relieving themselves in their pants. Teenage mothers are wearing clothes stained with breast milk.” Seriously, these Uighurs in Chinese schools have much better life than the illegal immigrants in US detention centers, having rooms with beds to sleep in, classrooms to receive a proper education, and even playtime in their spacious courtyards in their highly security kindergartens. Also, it was revealed that during the weekends, both adults and children are allowed to leave and return to their home villages, before resuming classes the next week,
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  24063.  @InnerMostFlame  "神州 Shenzhou Not to argue but yes they do make plans! Some plans become law, others who come to power can keep the plans or adjust it." They can also cancel the previous plans made by the previous president. For example, Obama administration had been working on Trans Pacific Partnership (TPP) deal for about 8 years, but when President Trump came to power, he just cancelled TPP and withdrew America from it, simply because Trump don't like Obama (Obama humiliated Trump with his birth cert). All that money invested in to making the TPP work, is gone just like that. Therefore, USA is incapable of making any long-term plans against China. Meanwhile, China has a list of goals to achieve by 2050, and here's a brief sampling: -By 2020, China plans to eliminate poverty completely and establish moderately prosperous society. -By 2025, China plans to transform our manufacturing industry to incorporate high-end technology. -By 2030, China plans to be world leader in Artificial Intelligence -By 2035, China plans to be key innovative, scientific power and establish moderately socialist society. -By 2040, China plans to ban all fossil fuel powerplants and all non-electric vehicles for greener future. -By 2045, China plans to be world leading space nation, having established a space elevator. -By 2050, China plans to have surpassed the USA as global superpower, economically and militarily. Source: Xi Plans to Turn China Into a Leading Global Power by 2050 bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-10-17/xi-to-put-his-stamp-on-chinese-history-at-congress-party-opening By abolishing the presidential term limit, our leaders can remain in power long enough to see their plans for China bloom and come into fruition in the future. But US presidents are limited to short-term plans and unable to make long term plans (spanning say 10 years or more) for America's future, because of US president term limits.
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  24079. There's even a growing list of news headlines 1990. The Economist. China's economy has come to a halt. 1996. The Economist. China's economy will face a hard landing. 1998. The Economist: China's economy entering a dangerous period of sluggish growth. 1999. Bank of Canada: Likelihood of a hard landing for the Chinese economy. 2000. Chicago Tribune: China currency move nails hard landing risk coffin. 2001. Wilbanks, Smith & Thomas: A hard landing in China. 2002. Westchester University: China Anxiously Seeks a Soft Economic Landing 2003. New York Times: Banking crisis imperils China 2004. The Economist: The great fall of China? 2005. Nouriel Roubini: The Risk of a Hard Landing in China 2006. International Economy: Can China Achieve a Soft Landing? 2007. TIME: Is China's Economy Overheating? Can China avoid a hard landing? 2008. Forbes: Hard Landing In China? 2009. Fortune: China's hard landing. China must find a way to recover. 2010: Nouriel Roubini: Hard landing coming in China. 2011: Business Insider: A Chinese Hard Landing May Be Closer Than You Think 2012: American Interest: Dismal Economic News from China: A Hard Landing 2013: Zero Hedge: A Hard Landing In China 2014. CNBC: A hard landing in China. 2015. Forbes: Congratulations, You Got Yourself A Chinese Hard Landing. 2016. The Economist: Hard landing looms for China 2017. National Interest: Is China's Economy Going To Crash? 2018. CNN: Forget the trade war, China's economy has other big problems 2019. BBC: China's Economic Slowdown: How worried should we be? 2020. Economics Explained: The Scary Solution to the Chinese Debt Crisis 2021. Global Economics: Has China's Downfall Started? ... Yet China's economy is still going strong.
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  24144.  @RayQiaoTW  Your 1st source shows Page Not Found. As for the 2nd source, the communist party is providing free education to those Uighurs (many of them are uneducated and illiterate) and training them in skills necessary for the workplace. Even members of the UN Human Rights Council from Africa and the Middle East didn’t offer vocal criticism, so why is the Western governments making noise then? Your 3rd source about social credit system: Westerners often complain about how Chinese people are rude, spit in public, smoke in public, jaywalk, jump queues, speed pass red lights, and other unsavory behavior, when not all Chinese people are like that. What the social credit system hopes to achieve is to discourage such behavior and promote better behavior. But if people persist in their bad behavior until their score becomes unacceptable, then they will be barred from purchasing plane tickets to fly out of the country and make a nuisance of themselves overseas. at least until their score improve. Why is "insulting the national anthem" considered a petty thing? The national anthem is the symbol of the country, so why is insulting it considered petty? Even President Trump himself tweeted that it was "disrespectful" for players not to stand during the playing of the US national anthem. Source: ‘Total disrespect for our great country!’ Trump tweets about NFL’s national anthem non-decision washingtonpost.com/news/early-lead/wp/2017/10/18/total-disrespect-for-our-great-country-trump-tweets-about-nfls-national-anthem-non-decision/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.9265c17f8d4a Its up to your country if you want to erode your own respect for your nation by calling such activities as "petty". But don't expect China to do the same. I mean, the national flag is also a symbol of the country, and desecrating it (burning flags, defacing flags, etc) are considered a crime in many countries, so isn't it the same with national anthems? Source: Flag desecration by country wikipedia.org/wiki/Flag_desecration Why is viewing YouTube through a VPN illegal in China? Nobody will arrest you if you view YouTube while in China. So many foreign businesses set up shop in China and many require access to Facebook, YT, etc, so the government grant them a VPN license to do so. So how is VPN illegal in China? I mean, which person has been arrested for viewing YT using VPN while in China?
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  24145.  @RayQiaoTW  So what? Many Chinese people travel overseas for work, study or play and they have access to Western internet, yet many still choose to return to China. Everyone has heard of Chinese tourists in their lands, buying souvenirs and stimulating your economies. Your schools and universities are positively flooded with international exchange students from China, studying the same topics as their peers. Chinese scientists, researchers, programmers, etc, are working in foreign companies, and Chinese investors are buying up real estates in your lands to develop them. So why do you think Chinese are unaware of what CCP? Chinese people literally can be found all over the world, since we make up 20% of the world's population after all. Yet knowing the CCP, many Chinese still choose to support it, so we are automatically labelled as 五毛 by you? (1) According to the following source, China is not mistreating Muslims in Xinjiang province but is putting some people through training courses to avoid spreading of extremism, unlike Europe which had failed to deal with the problem. Source: China educating, not mistreating, Muslims. dawn.com/news/1432863 (2) Can you actually prove that the Uighurs are being mistreated? And I have already explained how the Social Credit System works to discourage such disgraceful behavior among Chinese and prevent them from buying air tickets out of the country, if their social credit score falls too low. But its not the end of the world for those with low-score, and there are various ways to increase their social credit score to become acceptable. That's part of a Meritocracy after all. (3) I have shown that national anthem is symbolic of a country. Just because people in other countries choose to disrespect it, doesn't mean China has to follow your example. I mean, your flag, your anthem, is the manifestation of your country, so why do you disrespect it? What do you use to symbolize your country, if not a flag or an anthem? (4) Of course. Why should China allow illegal unregistered VPN service providers? All VPN providers should be registered under the government isn't it? Do you allow unlicensed illegal streaming of movies for example?
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  24146.  @RayQiaoTW  Regarding the source, you specifically asked for "I challenge you to find a source not connected to the CCP that portrays what's happening to the Uighurs as anything but a human rights violation." and that is exactly what I did. You ask me to find a source not connected to the CCP and that's exactly what I did, (you never mentioned anything about its contents) According to your source, Tarim's 33-year-old sister, Zohra never said they were abusing her, she said she had lessons and a test that's all so how are the Uighurs treated unfairly? About the Social Credit System, I've read the rewards and penalties of the system of the link you sent, and nowhere does it mention that it "completely suppresses the opportunity for dissent." Where did you read that line? The Social Credit System rewards good behavior like doing good deeds and reporting crime to the authorities, while penalizing bad behavior like smoking in public, spitting in public, jaywalking, etc. Where does it say that it "completely suppresses the opportunity for dissent." like you claimed? You quoted a US law but obviously China is not the US, so why are you imposing US laws onto China? Who do you think you are? It's up to the USA if they want to disrespect their country that their forefathers worked hard to build, but don't expect China to follow in USA's degenerate path. I mean, look at how much China prospered till today? China has even sent people to space! In 2008, China conducted our very own "spacewalk" where Chinese taikonaut (Chinese astronaut) left the interior of Shenzhou-7 神舟七号 spacecraft and ventured into the vacuum of space. Video: China Shenzhou 7 Space Walk Live youtube.com/watch?v=gMxQEHfU6hM China is the 3rd country in the world to independently send people into space, besides USA and USSR. China is the 1st in Asia to achieve such a feat, and even Japan, Korea, India (and even Taiwan) have not had manned space missions of their own.
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  24220.  @V01DIORE  "Trudeau likely could have insulted and condemned trump but that wouldn’t be good for relations between countries." Yet Canada choose to detain Meng Wanzhou even though the Huawei CFO did not break any Canadian laws while in Canada, and this caused deterioration of Canada-China relations. "The Five Eyes was likely for Russia initially, it’s just China has been proven more trouble then otherwise as it’s undiplomatic and frankly unethical in it’s holistic approach, lately gathering disdain from the international community." So what threat does Russia even pose to Canada, Australia and New Zealand, if the Five Eyes were created in response to Russia? As for China, clearly America is in decline and China is rising, so the U.S is influencing the other four countries to contain China's rise, in order to serve U.S interests, not for your countries interests. You claim China is undiplomatic and unethical, but China is currently at peace and not at war with any country, since our last major conflict in 1979. Instead of making war, China is building infrastructure like roads, railways, highways, bridges, tunnels, powerstations, dams, ports, airports, etc and investing in developing countries like Sri Lanka, Nepal, Bangladesh, Pakistan, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Tajikistan, and also African countries like Nigeria, Kenya, Chad, Sudan, Ghana, Mozambique, Tanzania, etc. Whereas the United States is warmonger being involved in Gulf War, Iraq War, Afghan War, Libyan War, Syrian War, Yemen War, etc, even in the 21st century. USA is bombing in those Middle Eastern countries and enacting regime change by cutting off their "heads" (Saddam Hussein, Muammar Gaddafi, etc) and then installing their own US puppet governments in place. Yet you as British, don't realize the real threat to global peace and stability here?
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  24294.  @maynardyorke  Chairman Mao Zedong is the founding father of the People's Republic of China 🇨🇳 and he succeeded in the herculean task of reunifying our divided country where the previous Nationalist Kuomintang failed during the Republic of China 🇹🇼 (1912-1949) for 37 years. When back when Dr Sun Zhongshan overthrew the previous Qing Dynasty China and established "democratic" Republic of China (1912-1949) China was divided into several areas, we lost control of Tibet, and various warlords ruled different parts of China and even Japan invaded China twice during this weak period of Chinese history. Dr. Sun tried to get help from the Western powers, but they laughed at the thought of China copying their democracy. They even gave away the Shandong province (which had been occupied by the Germans during WWI) to Japan, instead of returning it to China (even when China was part of the Allies during WWI). In the end, Dr. Sun died without ever realising a unified China under democracy. But then Mao Zedong came along, and he accomplished what the ROC could not, and reunifed China under communism, proclaiming the People's Republic of China in 1949 and Tibet was finally returned back to China in 1951. The KMT tried several times to wipe the communists and they nearly succeeded if not for Mao's strategem, the Long March, in which communist forces travelled incredible distances to evade the KMT and brought the communists back from the brink of extinction at the hands of the KMT. If not for Mao Zedong, China today would still be weak and divided country, fighting among ourselves, instead of the strong unified country we are today.
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  24372. Meanwhile, Western journalists continue to predict an economic hard landing for China. 1990. The Economist: China's economy has come to a halt 1996. The Economist: China's economy will face a hard landing 1998. The Economist: China's economy entering a dangerous period of sluggish growth 1999. Bank of Canada: Likelihood of a hard landing for the Chinese economy 2000. Chicago Tribune: China currency move nails hard landing risk coffin 2001. Wilbanks, Smith & Thomas: A hard landing in China 2002. Westchester University: China Anxiously Seeks a Soft Economic Landing 2003. New York Times: Banking crisis imperils China 2004. The Economist: The great fall of China? 2005. Nouriel Roubini: The Risk of a Hard Landing in China 2006. International Economy: Can China Achieve a Soft Landing? 2007. TIME: Is China's Economy Overheating? Can China avoid a hard landing? 2008. Forbes: Hard Landing In China? 2009. Fortune: China's hard landing. China must find a way to recover 2010: Nouriel Roubini: Hard landing coming in China 2011: Business Insider: A Chinese Hard Landing May Be Closer Than You Think 2012: American Interest: Dismal Economic News from China: A Hard Landing 2013: Zero Hedge: A Hard Landing In China 2014. CNBC: A hard landing in China 2015. Forbes: Congratulations, You Got Yourself A Chinese Hard Landing 2016. The Economist: Hard landing looms for China 2017. National Interest: Is China's Economy Going To Crash? 2018. The Daily Reckoning: China's Coming Financial Meltdown 2021 Bloomberg: Chinese economy risks deeper slowdown than markets realize 2022. Bloomberg: China Surprise Data Could Spell R-e-c-e-s-s-i-o-n 2023. Bloomberg: No word should be off-limits to describe China's faltering economy. ... Yet it's already 2024 and China's economy is still going strong.
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  24381.  @koblongata  "神州 Shenzhou Er, every time Russia calls for a peace talk, they regroup and double down on the attack..." Because the Ukrainian negotiators are puppets controlled by the Ukrainian ultra-nationalists. Did you know that an Ukrainian peace negotiator, Denys Kireev, was assasinated by Ukrainian ultra-nationalists on his way to the peace negotiation? The ultra-nationalists neo-Nazis in Ukraine would never surrender, and that's why Russia is forced to continue the offensive in order to achieve the objectives of demilitarizing and de-nazifying Ukraine. You said: "Oh, so are you suggesting that whoever invades your home, you will leave it to them?" What chance does Ukraine have against Russia? By now it's apparent that NATO and USA aren't going to send troops to defend Ukraine, nor are they willing to honor Zelenskyy's demands for a No-Fly Zone over Ukraine. Ukraine's application to join NATO is unlikely to succeed, because that would mean NATO is obliged to send reinforcements to Ukraine if it were a member, and I just can't see this happening. Ukraine has been effectively "abandoned" by NATO (in Zelenskyy's own admission), so how is Ukraine going to turn the tides against Russia? If Zelenskyy truly cared about the lives of Ukrainians, he would surrender, instead of using Ukrainian lives as a human shield. By refusing to surrender, Zelenskyy is prolonging the inevitable and causing more Ukrainians to lose their lives. By releasing prisoners and arming civilians with rifles, Zelenskyy is sowing chaos and attempting to maximise civilian casualties. By removing the age restrictions for conscription, Zelenskyy is enlisting child soldiers to fight and die for his refusal to surrender. You said: "Russia has been invading and threatening small Eastern European countries for 30 years, they will not stop before they swallow the whole of Eastern Europe." Putin has made it clear that Russia has no plans to annex Ukraine. Putin had made it clear that he wanted assurances that NATO would not expand eastwards (i.e that Ukraine would not be allowed to join NATO). In fact, many NATO countries like Germany and France did not want to admit Ukraine as a member (citing Ukraine government corruption concerns) but they refused to put that down in paper and reassure Putin. After realizing that for years, his words have fallen on deaf ears, Putin decided to act.
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  24464. +Taylor Sukoshi "America isn't perfect but compared to China... If America bombed my country I would stay and fight, look at Korea, Vietnam," China is not perfect too, but compared to America, China is currently at peace and not at war with any country since our last major war fought in 1979. Instead, China is the manufacturing hub of the world, making products like smartphones, computers, electronics, appliances, toys, clothing, sneakers, etc. But look at USA's involvement in Iraq war, Afghan War, Libyan War, etc, even in the 21st century? You will stay and fight for you country, then what about your wife, your kids, your grandparents? Why is USA even bombing your country in the first place? Is your country really such a threat to the USA? Also, you said earlier that "Now most of the world has access to cellphones unimaginable 20 years ago, Vaccines, Internet, cheap air travel..." Cellphones were very expensive half a century ago, when they first came out, but thanks to Chinese labor force, cellphone prices have lowered to become more affordable to the masses. Thanks to Chinese labor force, electronics and gadgets become cheaper and more affordable to the masses, and thus, more people have access to the Internet. Vaccines - The earliest hints of the practice of inoculation for smallpox in China come during the 10th century. Two reports on the Chinese practice of inoculation were received by the Royal Society in London in 1700; one by Dr. Martin Lister who received a report by an employee of the East India Company stationed in China and another by Clopton Havers.
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  24496. +Smith During 1950s, Zhou Enlai proposed Five Principles of Peaceful Coexistence 和平共处五项原则 to define the China-India relations. Zhou Enlai visited New Delhi four times, whereas PM Nehru only visited Beijing once, so who is being more sincere here? Nehru refused to sit down to negotiations, and instead pursued an aggressive "Forward" policy of building military bases at our disputed border, even extending beyond the international line and into actual Chinese territory. There were eventually 60 such outposts, including 43 north of the McMahon Line. +Sam D China does not force India to join in Belt and Road Initiative if it doesn't want to. As for US's approach to Pakistan, its goal is to invade Pakistan, just like what US did to Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya and other Middle Eastern countries. The US approach to wiping out terrorism is to bomb those lands, which result many civilian casualties. Because of this, people become angry with USA, or their own government for letting US invade, so they flock join the terrorists instead and the whole cycle continues. For example, Al Qaeda is originally trained by CIA, but they rebelled against America and become terrorist. The rise of ISIS can also be attributed to US constant meddling in Middle Eastern countries. Whenever one terrorist group is exterminated, another one pops up to replace it, and therefore, this approach is short term and doesn't solve the problem of terrorism. China's approach is different from USA. People join terrorists groups because they are poor, unemployed, lacking in education or harbor resentment against USA or their own country's problems. So what China is doing, is helping to build up Pakistan's economy, so that more people find jobs and less people join terrorists. The terrorists will slowly find themselves with a shrinking pool of willing recruits, if the country's economy improves. This approach is long-term, and could hopefully solve/reduce the problem of terrorism, by making people less desperate to join the terrorists and is arguably better than USA spending money to bomb those countries instead. But of course it will take time to build up an entire country's economy and stabilize its government. This is not something that can be achieved at the snap of fingers, like USA ordering an invasion of Middle East. USA has been fighting wars in Middle East for 15 years, with not end in sight, so what makes you think their method is the best approach? Why not spend the money meant on investing to develop the country's infrastructure instead of wasting it on wars?
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  24497. +Sam D Are you sure India is self-reliant? Indian army still purchases weapons and military hardware from USA and Russia for defense so how is India self-reliant, when its defensive capabilities depends on these to countries continued support? Unless you can manufacture your own weapons and military, India wouldn't be able to act in its own interests when its defenses rely on imported hardware. Even if you claim that terrorism in Pakistan is because of state-support, it is primary because Pakistan views India as a threat which is why it wants to acquire weapons to defend itself. Remember that India supported Bangladesh independence from Western Pakistan, causing Pakistan to lose more of its territory, so it is constantly under further threat from India. Whether the threat is imagined or not, Pakistan feels that this threat is very real. There is nothing China can do about Pakistan's hostility towards India. Right now, Pakistan government is probably investing more money into the country's defense and its army, instead of its economy. What China hopes to achieve with CPEC is to develop Pakistan's economy, so that Pakistan government will be tempted to spend more on developing its growing economy, instead of on acquiring new weapons. Terrorism may be Pakistan's bargaining chip at the moment, but once CPEC is complete, and Pakistan's economy kicks off, then Pakistan government will begin to see more value in protecting its growing economy, and less value in maintaining terrorist assets (which serve to disrupt economic trade and create unrest that's all) India and Pakistan have already been fighting for 70 over years, so how long do you expect your countries to continue on like this? Imagine another 70 years later, and India and Pakistan still fighting each other, instead of mending relations long ago. CPEC is opportunity for both India and Pakistan to finally end their feud and to promote economic prosperity instead, and China would welcome any Indian support for CPEC. Once India and Pakistan economies become linked, it become harder for terrorists to attack such a link, knowing that it will also damage Pakistan's economy as well isn't it? Thus, the Pakistan government will become less likely to support terrorism in favor of promoting trade instead. Like I mentioned, you people only focus on short term issues and ignore the long term issues altogether. Pakistan has known no other way to make a living, except for extremist activities, so why not introduce it to economic trade instead?
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  24538. +Adityaa Chaubey Exactly what do you know of the Chinese army? PLA is among one of world's most disciplined forces in the world, tolerating even 2 months of Indian troops presence within our territory in Donglong. On the other hand, Indian army has been associated with cases of rape. For example, Indian Peacekeeping Forces in Sri Lanka were accused of raping Tamils in Sri Lanka and committing various atrocities. During the Kashmir conflict, rape has been used as a weapon of war by Indian security forces; comprising the Indian Army, against the Kashmiri population. These are reports gleamed from Wikipedia and other sources, and its no secret that Indian army has a poor reputation because of this unfortunate history. India has treaty with Bhutan, but Bhutanese government doesn't have evidence to support its claim to Donglong, so how is it justified for India to send its troops into Chinese territory? I keep asking: "Where is Bhutanese government proof of ownership?" How is building a road changing the status quo? Prior to 1998, Donglong was under Chinese control, but claimed by Bhutan. Currently, Donglong is still under Chinese control, but claimed by Bhutan. Exactly what part of the status quo has changed? All you do is ridicule and look down on me, when you don't even produce reliable evidence of your own. You dismiss every evidence China produces, yet support Bhutan when it does not have any proof of its own. It only goes to show your double standards being applied against Chinese people and our government.
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  24543. +Aniruddh Joshi According to this source (web.archive.org/web/20021024231629/http://www.bhutannewsonline.com/bhutan_china.html ) "During this round of talk, Bhutan had extended the claim line of the border beyond what the Chinese government had offered.... His Majesty the King told the National Assembly of Bhutan on 14 July, 2001 that the proposed extension of the border along the three sectors under discussion were in Doglam, Sinchulumba, and Dramana areas." So Bhutan had extended their claim line beyond China into Doglam. +Adityaa Chaubey First of all, I quoted evidence to support my claim, but all you done is dismiss them entirely. Then you refuse to explain why Bhutan claims Doklam, or why India shift the tri-junction to Batang La without Chinese consultation or approval. There is no formal agreement that Batang La is the trijunction, however, there exists formal agreement where Mount Gipmochi is stated as the tri-junction. Lastly, I do not insult you for your views, whereas you have been mocking and belittling me constantly. You agreed that " Chinese are an inferior race. China is a disease which needs to be treated. They are robbers who are stealing everything, be it technology or neighbour's land." so who are you to mock Chinese people and our inventions? Chinese people invented many inventions, namely paper, printing, compass, gunpowder etc. Thanks to paper and printing, knowledge gets recorded and passed down, and compass enabled explorers to map out the world. Gunpowder has also revolutionized warfare as we know today. Yet you call us Chinese a disease which needs to be treated? You are despicable person who knows absolutely nothing about Chinese people and constantly belittle us.
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  24544. +Adityaa Chaubey I have mentioned in my post the section where Bhutan had extended the claim line of the border beyond to include Doglam. This means that Bhutan had initially recognized it as being part China, but choose to extend its claims beyond into Donglong, thinking that Bhutan being a small country and China being a very large and friendly neighbor would solve the issue quickly. This article (ecns.cn/voices/2017/08-03/267944_2.shtml ) by US scholar Jon Taylor, a professor of political science at University of St Thomas, Houston, said the Indian military breached both international law and treaty convention by entering Chinese territory shortly after their Prime Minister Narendra Modi visited the U.S. The end of the article also says "The U.S. has not taken a side so far. State Department spokeswoman Heather Nauertsaid on July 18 that the U.S. is concerned about the ongoing situation there, saying both sides should work together to try to come up with some better sort of arrangement for peace." This Japanese article shows that Japanese embassy denied Hiramatsu ever outrightly stating support for India. Original: (sp.m.jiji.com/generalnews/article/genre/intl/id/1875970 ) Translated version: (translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?act=url&depth=1&hl=en&ie=UTF8&prev=_t&rurl=translate.google.com&sl=ja&sp=nmt4&tl=en&u=http://sp.m.jiji.com/generalnews/article/genre/intl/id/1875970&usg=ALkJrhhAC3zhBHvhpDG7Pb0rR1B0putiOA ) Lastly, USA's and UK's trade practices have nothing to do with China and Bhutan's territorial claims. Bhutan doesn't even maintain diplomatic relations with USA or UK, so why would they support Bhutan's claims? Where is Bhutan's evidence to even show for its claims at all? There is no maps, or treaties etc, referencing Doklam as belonging to Bhutan. Bhutan doesn't maintatin diplomatic relations with any of the UNSC permanent five members, including Russia and France. It is unlikely that these countries will support Bhutan's territorial claim, over China's.
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  24548. +Adityaa Chaubey ANI news network is Indian news network so why is it even reliable at all? Bhutan almost got dragged into a war with China because of India, so you think Bhutan will call upon India for help again? China was busy hosting the BRICS summit so the Doklam/Donglong issue has been shelved aside. China has settled boundary dispute approximately of 20,000 km with 12 countries out of the 22,000 km and is yet to settle about 2,000 km of boundary involving India and Bhutan. -In 1961, Nepal and China signed border agreement. -In 1963, Afghanistan and China signed border agreement. -In 1991, USSR and China signed Sino-Soviet border agreement. -In 1994, Kazakhstan and China signed border agreement. -In 2011, Tajikistan ratified a 1999 deal to cede 1,000 km2 of land to China and China also cede over 28,000 km2 of Tajikistani territory. China has had 21 talks with Bhutan and 19 talks with India but we still can't solve this border issue, despite solving land disputes with all our land neighbors. You claim that I have to watch Indian news, yet you keep dimissing all my sources that are in Chinese, then whats to point of providing sources? You keep dismissing my sources just because its Chinese and I can't do the same to your sources which are Indian? If China cut down any existing ties with Bhutan then why did China have 21 talks with Bhutan at all? China blocked India's entry into NSG because it didn't sign non-proliferation treaty. India also needs the approval of 8 other countries in NSG before it can be admitted.
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  24550. +Adityaa Chaubey This article outlines the reasons for 1962 conflict. (web.archive.org/web/20090326032121/http://www.people.fas.harvard.edu/~johnston/garver.pdf ) Here are excerpts from the above source: -Zhou Enlai during his April 1960 visit to India, proposed China drop its claims in the eastern sector in exchange for India dropping its claims in the western sector. Such a swap would have given each side legal right to territory already in its possession and most important to each nation’s security. Nehru rejected the swap proposal and insisted that China abandon its claim in the east and withdraw from Aksai Chin in the west. -Three rounds of border talks were held in 1960 following two visits by Zhou to India. (Zhou visited India four times, while his counterpart Nehru visited China only once.) -Mao proposed a withdrawal of 20 kilometers. If India was unwilling to do this, Mao suggested, China would unilaterally withdraw. Thus, Chinese forces were ordered to withdraw 20 kilometers from what China felt was the line of actual control, and to cease patrolling in that forward zone. Tension declined for 23 months. -Indian forces were ordered to “push forward.” When Indian forces initially began implementing the Forward Policy, Chinese forces withdrew when they encountered the newly advanced Indian outposts. This “encouraged” the Indian side and led to the further acceleration of the Forward Policy. -Chinese discovered withdrawing was pointless and causing us to lose ground. Chinese border forces also abandoned their initial policy of withdrawing when encountering new Indian posts. Chinese forces began standing their ground. -In April 1962 India accelerated implementation of the Forward Policy in the eastern sector. 60 More Indian posts were built on commanding heights near existing PLA outposts, and aerial and ground reconnaissance was increased -Zhou Enlai directed China’s representative, foreign minister and former veteran General Chen Yi, to seek out India’s representative, Defense Minister Krishna Menon, and urge him to find ways of preventing the border situation from further deteriorating. -Chen asked Menon what ideas the “honorable Indian government” had about solving the Sino-Indian border problem? Menon replied that, in India's view, there was no border problem between China and India. The location of the boundary was very clearly displayed on Indian maps. This message was conveyed in an arrogant tone of voice. Chen Yi then said that Indian forces were steadily advancing into Chinese territory, and could it be that the Indian representative did not know this? Menon replied that the movements of Indian troops were taking place on Indian territory. -Chen proposed that he and Menon issue a joint communiqué announcing future talks on the "problem of preventing border conflict." Menon declined this proposal. ... ... You can read the text for more information. It was because of these reasons which was why China was reluctantly forced to declare war on India.
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  24551. +Adityaa Chaubey As you can see, there are lots of people pose as Chinese going around insulting Indians, so how can you really be be sure that such people represent ordinary Chinese people? Regarding Sino-Indian War in 1962, how exactly did China trick India into going into a war? Mao Zedong ordered retreat of PLA troops and proposed 20KM demilitarized zone and stuck to it. PM Nehru saw Chinese retreat as weakness, and moved Indian Army to fill up our vacated territory. Nehru also refused to discuss the issue, and pursued aggressive "Forward" policy building military bases at our disputed border. China attacked India to threaten USA and Soviet? Exactly how do you arrive at this conclusion? According to the source, part of the reason China ended the war, was because USA was preparing to join in. The government only acted to defend Chinese sovereignty and to stop Indian intrusion into our lands, when Nehru is continuing to build over 60 military bases at our disputed border. You claim China tricked Nehru with "mind game" but can you elaborate why you think so? Zhou Enlai visited New Delhi 4 times, but Nehru only visited Beijing once. China and India has had 19 talks over our border dispute, but failed to solve the issue, so how else do you expect to solve this problem, if you refuse to talk? The government has proposed a deal where China cedes Aksai Chin to India, in exchange for Tawang of Aruanchal Pradesh. The government doesn't really claim entirety of Arunachal Pradesh, only Tawang region for its significance to Tibet. According to Chinese diplomat, Dai Bingguo even the British colonialists who drew the 'McMahon Line' respected China's jurisdiction over Tawang. China ready to make concessions in Aksai Chin if India cedes part of Tawang in Arunachal Pradesh? zeenews.india.com/india/china-ready-to-make-concessions-in-aksai-chin-if-india-cedes-part-of-tawang-in-arunachal-pradesh_1982943.html Otherwise, how else do you propose we solve our border dispute? China and India has had 19 talks and two armed conflicts, but no resolution to this matter. If you continue to blame everything as China's fault, then it is unlikely that this matter is going to be resolved any time soon.
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  24552. Whether Prodigy Spot is actually Indian or Pakistan or Chinese, what he says is his own personal opinion, so why fault him for his opinions? You mean to say actual Indians can't have their own opinions about themselves? +Adityaa Chaubey Your comment about my name Shenzhou already shows your ignorance. The "Shenzhou" you are referring to is a spacecraft, not a missile and it was used to launch China's first astronauts into space as part of China's space program, making China the 3rd nation in world to have successfully conducted manned space missions, aside from USA and Russia. You calling it a "missile" only shows that you lack of knowledge about the subject at all, and is ironic, considering that India hasn't yet conducted a manned space mission of its own. The words Shenzhou 神舟 means "Divine Ark" and is a homonym and play on my name Shenzhou 神州 meaning "Divine Land" which is one of the ancient literary names of China, sort of like how Bharata is ancient name for India. The name "Divine Land" conjures images of my homeland's beautiful landscape; pillar-like mountain with snow-capped peaks and cascading waterfalls, mysteriously shrouded with mist, with jade green bamboo forests and vast fields of rice with their mirror-like surfaces reflecting the sky above. Just search images of "China mountain" to see what I mean. My name Shenzhou, represents China, as a glorious and ancient civilization with our own rich history and culture, that has also modernized to become a world power today, capable of launching people into space. Who are you to claim that "Shenzhou is the name of a Chinese missile"? Shenzhou Program en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shenzhou_program Indians like you only know how to blame China all the time for the border disputes. You claimed "India was tricked by China into a war" and "China playing mind game" but you failed to elaborate further, so how do you expect me to believe your claims? Do you have any source to back up your claims? You even claim "China attacked attacked India just to threaten the US and the Soviets" when there is no reason to believe so. How does China attacking India link to US and Soviet at all?
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  24553. +Adityaa Chaubey Why don't you even read your own source first? According to your source: These two sentences that mention US and Soviets -The Nehru administration was encouraged by the US and the Soviets to fight against China. -Chinese leader Mao Zedong believed the battle with India was also a political combat, and the real target was not Nehru but the US and the Soviets that had been plotting behind the scenes against China. So it was evident that India was under US and Soviet control to fight against China. Mao Zedong said that the war was also a political combat, meaning that in addition to defending our lands, it was also political combat against US and Soviet. But how is that physically a war with US and Soviet? Did Chinese troops fought any Russians or Americans during Sino-Indian war? Also, the rest of your source shows that China did not want to fight India, and was only reacting to India's aggressive actions. -China initially tried to avoid military confrontation, out of respect to India's ancient culture and sympathy that it had suffered a similar painful past of oppression by colonial powers. However, India's persistent provocation eventually breached China's bottom-line, and the People's Liberation Army (PLA) was forced to join the battle in self-defense. -The PLA decisively halted its military operation and pulled back its troops. China's decision to fight back against India in the 1962 border war was to strike a peace with its neighbor. -While fighting with the Indian troops, China constantly urged the Indian government to end the conflicts and solve the border issue on the negotiating table. -China's peaceful intentions were further testified by its unilateral ceasefire on November 22, 1962, and its withdrawal of troops a few days later to 20 kilometers from the line of actual control since November 7, 1959. -Mao gave India room to maneuver and think during the war. By calling for a unilateral ceasefire when in an advantageous position, pulling back troops and returning prisoners of war and well-maintained weapons to India, Mao wanted to send a message of peace to India, and to lay a good foundation for long-term friendship. So exactly how is "China tricking India into a war" here? How is China playing "mind games" when Mao offered plenty of opportunities to return to the discussion table, instead of continuing with the fight? Nehru chose to pursue his aggressive "Forward" policy of building military bases, and did not want to negotiate with China peacefully. Even in one of my previous source, China is willing to cede Aksai Chin to India in exchange for Tawang of Arunachal Pradesh, but India rejected this proposal still, so which country is being difficult here? Lastly, you continuing to label Shenzhou as an Aircraft is just further showing you unrepentant ignorance. Shenzhou is China's first manned space mission, allowing China to join the ranks of USA and Russia as countries who have launched successful manned missions. Who are you to simply call it a missile or even an aircraft? Can an Aircraft reach above the stratosphere into orbit? You Indians don't even have any "spacecraft" of your own, and that's why you ignorantly call it an aircraft. I don't insult your name or anything like that, so why do you insult mine? You are the one first brought up issue of Shenzhou being a missile into this discussion. Regarding China's land disputes, China has settled boundary dispute approximately of 20,000 km with 12 countries out of the 22,000 km and is yet to settle about 2,000 km of boundary involving India and Bhutan. -In 1961, Nepal and China signed border agreement. -In 1962, Mongolia and China signed border agreement. -In 1963, Afghanistan and China signed border agreement. -In 1963, Pakistan and China signed border agreement. -In 1991, USSR and China signed Sino-Soviet border agreement. -In 1992, Laos and China signed border agreement. -In 1994, Kazakhstan and China signed border agreement. -In 2011, Tajikistan ratified a 1999 deal to cede 1,000 km2 of land to China and China also cede over 28,000 km2 of Tajikistani territory. China has 21 talks with Bhutan and 19 talks with India but still fail to settle our countries borders. So why is it China can settle disputes with all our land neighbors except for Bhutan and India here?
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  24554. Adityaa Chaubey The Diaoyu Islands were initially Chinese territory, before Japan occupied them and stole them from China during the war. After Japanese signed WW2 surrender treaty in 1945, Japan pledged to give up all its occupied territory, so shouldn't Diaoyu islands be rightfully returned to China? China claims South China Sea Islands under 9 dash line. North Vietnam leader Phan Van Dong had acknowledged that the Spratly and Paracel Islands were historically Chinese. When Philippines became independent, it drew its national boundaries and did not include Scarborough Shoals or other islands west of Philippines as within its national boundaries. Because of this, China assumed nobody is disputing Chinese claims to South China Sea Islands, but slowly in 1970s, those countries began encroaching into Chinese territory. There were various treaties governing South China Sea dispute, but what makes you think other countries claims are correct over China's claims? Since India is not a claimant to any of those islands, it should remain as neutral observer, instead obviously taking sides in this dispute. Regarding Aksai Chin, you mentioned Nehru's claims in the 1940s but do you know exactly when? China was still under KMT (ROC) control until 1949, when PRC was founded so perhaps you were referring to the previous Chinese administration? China lost Tibet in 1912 and regained control in 1951 but China was not planning to invade India. Tibet was historically part of China but India wasn't and China only claimed territory that was Qing dynasty's right up to 1912. As mentioned in your source, even if you believe China was going to war, Mao gave Nehru plenty of time to maneuver, such as retreating to 20 KM demilitarized zone and attempting to get Nehru back to negotiating tables instead. But Nehru refused and continued building military bases at our disputed border. Like I quoted earlier, India had about 60 such bases so it was not just a few bases at one time. Why not take the option to discuss things instead of building more bases? Lastly, this is my post, started by me to express my opinions, and you people are the ones coming here to comment. Nobody is forcing you to write comments if you don't want to, but what right does that give you to stop me posting? This is my post and I have cited sources to support my claims so what am I doing wrong here? Who is the one doubting other people's identity and mocking other people's names?
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  24555. Adityaa Chaubey You called me stubborn, said I will never give up and that this discussion meaningless and will go on forever. Then I could also say the same thing about you. You keep on dismissing my sources simply because they are "Chinese" so why should I believe anything you say? Who is the one in denial about Nehru's aggressive "Forward" policy here and simply blame everything on China? I have given China's view towards South China Sea Islands, but instead of attacking them you just claim other countries rejected them, that's all? Shouldn't Japan relinquish control of Diaoyu islands? Why is Vietnam justified in going against its own wording? You are simply biased against China and will side with any other country, as long as it opposes China, so what makes you justified here? At least I provided points here but you just simply deny them that's all. In 1947, China was still under previous administration (ROC). Also, Zhou Enlai became Premier in 1949, so how can you claim he agreed to Nehru's claim in 1947? You are simply making up lies to justify your biased views towards China that's all. Nehru was democratically voted in by Indian people so its your peoples choice to choose someone with poor decision-making and easily deceived to represent india. China had nothing to do with Nehru's election and we treated Nehru with respect befitting India's historical culture. Mao thought India would make good ally against the Western Colonial powers (as shown in your source) but USA and Russia manipulated Nehru into opposing China and straining our potential relations. Our countries has had no great conflicts throughout history, prior to Sino-Indian war and we could have become allied powers against Western colonialism if things were different. As a leader, Nehru also should have fought harder for India not to be partitioned in 1947 by British and for India to remain independent with all the territories of British India intact. Much of India's political problems stem from the partitioning. In my opinion, India should not have given up its own territory to form Pakistan. Once Pakistan is independent, India can no longer control it and it may grow to become thorn in India's side (as it is now) India also supported Bangladesh independence from West Pakistan, creating another independent country. Each separation weakens the original country. This is why China fight so hard to retain control of Hong Kong and Taiwan. We don't want end up like India and Pakistan, and keep on fighting each other even till today, while British secretly laughing in the background. India's leaders like Nehru were soft and because of this, other countries leaders will step all over your country. Even Gandhi while non-violent in his approach, was taken advantage of by Britain and in the end he was assassinated by Hindu nationalist who felt that the partition was unjust.
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  24556. +Adityaa Chaubey China wanted to befriend India too. Remember that Zhou Enlai proposed Five Principles of Peaceful Coexistence 和平共处五项原则 to define China-India relationship? Both Pakistan and India were among the first countries to recognize PRC in UN, over ROC, but in the end, PM Nehru sowed the first seeds of suspicion among Chinese, by providing asylum to 14th Dalai Lama, during Tibet uprising in 1959. The 14th Dalai Lama was traitor who worked with CIA in separatist movements against the government, and CIA aided his escape to India. The issue between 14th Dalai Lama and China should be internal Chinese affair, but PM Nehru provided asylum to 14th DL, and because of that, China no longer had reason to believe any good intentions of India. Even in the events leading up to the war, Mao Zedong withdrew the PLA 20KM, and proposed demilitarized zone, but Nehru continued his aggressive "Forward" Policy. This gives China the impression that India wants control of Tibet, since India already has 14th DL in its possession. This action taken by India, was perhaps the starting point of the deterioration of relations between India and China, and because of this, China choose to developed better relations with Pakistan instead. At that time, China was under civil war, so which China (Communists or Nationalists) are you referring to? Neither side of China were invited to sign the Treaty of San Fransico, but the Western powers proceeded with the signing without China's input. As a result, China is not one of the 48 countries that signed treaty of San Fransisco, as shown in the following source Treaty of San Francisco en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_of_San_Francisco#Signatories_and_ratification As for Vietnam, the North Vietnam leader Phan Van Dong had sent a diplomatic letter to Zhou Enlai in 1958, acknowledging that the Spratly and Paracel Islands were historically Chinese. But they broke their word, and slowly began encroaching into Chinese territory. 1958 Diplomatic note from Phan Van Dong to Zhou Enlai. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:1958_diplomatic_note_from_phamvandong_to_zhouenlai.jpg How is the Chinese being aggressive in 1950s? As I said, Zhou Enlai visited New Delhi 4 times, whereas PM Nehru visited Beijing only once. You think Nehru's Forward policy is not being aggressive here? Also, why would a supposedly "aggressive" PLA pull back to 20 KM, whereas Indian army didn't, and even proceeded to build military bases beyond the border into actual Chinese territory? You are unfair in that you label all Chinese actions as "aggressive" when Chinese diplomats were visiting India to attempt to solve the border issue diplomatically. The partition of India resulted in death of many traveling migrants. Also the subsequent wars between Pakistan and India created much bloodshed. Jinah probably had some vision that he wanted to achieve for Pakistan, but he died early, and then Pakistan was left headless and without direction, and instinctively lashed out at its foster nation India. The fact that India supported Bangladesh against Pakistan, further causes Pakistan to lose more territory of its own. But that's all in the past, and today, Pakistan is its own sovereign nation as recognized by India, and it deserves a shot at its own success. Pakistan does consider India a threat (whether real or imagined) because India had caused Pakistan to lose control of Bangladesh. Why not attempt mend relations, instead of promoting conflict? China is helping develop Pakistan through CPEC, and this represents rare golden opportunity for India and Pakistan to cooperate economically, instead of opposing each other. Pakistan and India already been fighting each other for almost 70 years, so why continue promoting this conflict?
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  24557. +Adityaa Chaubey According to en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peaceful_coexistence#Chinese_policy "Premier Zhou Enlai of the People's Republic of China proposed the Five Principles of Peaceful Coexistence in 1954 during negotiations with India over Tibet and these were written into the Agreement Between the People's Republic of China and the Republic of India on Trade and Intercourse Between the Tibet Region of China and India signed in 1954 by Zhou and Prime Minister of India Jawaharlal Nehru. So why is it untrue that the Five Principles of Peaceful Coexistence weren't put forward by Zhou Enlai? You are just trying to twist the words to make it sound like India somehow came up with it. As for Bara Hoti, according to following source, Hoti was popular among Indian traders going to Tibet and was part of Tibetan territory, since Tibetans had once established a customs post there. In 1890, the British government had it removed and in 1952, the Tibetans replaced it. You can see that Hoti was claimed by Tibet before 1890 when British removed the outpost suddenly. In the 1954 Panchsheel Agreement on trade and pilgrimage in Tibet, India forfeited all its rights in Tibet, so how is Bara Hoti constituted as part of Indian territory now? It is part of Tibet and called Wu-Je. The Chinese also protested about armed Indian troops having crossed the Niti pass on 29 June 1954, so its not as though Indian troops haven't been crossing into our territory as well. firstpost.com/india/whether-bara-hoti-or-doklam-india-must-resist-all-china-advances-on-ground-learn-from-history-3881263.html What do you even know about the Tibetan uprising? The 14th Dalai Lama had acknowledged Chinese sovereignty over Tibet, when he signed the Seventeen Point Agreement in 1951 ceding control of Tibet over to China. He accepted it for 8 years without incident, but sudden in 1959, he broke his word and led uprising (which many local Tibetans didn't join, hence the rebellion failed) and 14th DL was forced to flee to India. The 14th DL had collaborated with CIA and even criticized the CIA as shown below. CIA Tibetan program en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CIA_Tibetan_program#Criticism According to above source, the 14th Dalai Lama criticized the CIA for supporting the Tibetan independence movement "not because they (the CIA) cared about Tibetan independence, but as part of their worldwide efforts to destabilize all communist governments". -In 1999, the Dalai Lama claimed that the CIA Tibetan program had been harmful for Tibet because it was primarily aimed at serving American interests, and "once the American policy toward China changed, they stopped their help". This is supported by the fact that once President Nixon visited China in 1972, America stopped caring about Tibetan independence. Today, American recognizes Chinese sovereignty over Tibet, as do other UN countries, since nobody raises the issue of Tibet during UN meetings. India gave asylum to 14th DL, even when India forfeited all its rights in Tibet according to Panchsheel Agreement, so how can you blame China when India is not upholding its end of the bargain? If India had handled over the Dalai Lama back to China in 1959, the relations between China and India today would have been much different, and China wouldn't have grown so close to Pakistan, because India provided shelter to DL. You think every political action India takes, doesn't have its on consequences on other countries? You think Indian troops didn't kill PLA troops during military attacks in Longju and Kangla Pass? It is precisely because of those clashes, that Mao Zedong proposed 20KM demilitarized zone and ordered PLA troops to retreat to stop. But India continued to occupy those territory which PLA vacated. China wasn't even invited to sign the Treaty of San Franciso (even when it was about Chinese territory) so how could China have known about such a treaty even existing at all? You are just being biased against China that's all China has said many times that India is welcome to join Belt and Road Initiative, which will help boost India's economy and hopefully repair relations with Pakistan. Before Pakistan bought Chinese weapons, Pakistan bought Russian and US weapons, so why is India complaining here? Does India even manufacture its own weapons at all while you label Chinese weapons as "stolen" US technology? Remember, China is not forcing India to spend more on its defense budget, but Indian Army is the one entering regions like Donglong to obstruct PLA road construction and create tense situation. If you claim India doens't want to spend more on its defense, then why India taking aggressive actions in Donglong? Such actions could lead to war, and for India to spend more on its defense, so in such scenario, India has noone but itself to blame here.
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  24569.  @stanfrymann8454  Yes I said "The names of the universities tell me how little you care about the students that's all." (which is my opinion) but that's only once, when did I ever said repeatedly that you didn't care for the children? I can access the whole comment thread and nowhere else did I repeatedly said that "you didn't care for the children" so why are you accusing me of saying such a thing? Why is asking "So you don't even know the names of the universities these Khmer students are being sent to? You just send the money to NGO and expect them to take care of business for you?" considered rude? I'm just asking the names of the universities that's all, I did not say anything impolite or abuse vulgarities against you. You said that "神州 Shenzhou Nothing is wrong with wanting to know information about the universities" so once again, how am I being rude by asking for the names of the universities? About what I have done to alleviate poverty in China, I was born in poor family, my parents were both engineers and still we were poor, but they managed to scrap enough money to send me to school to learn English, and I was blessed with the opportunity to travel abroad. But I was appalled at the Western anti-China media painting China in negative light and "demonising" our country. I am helping part time to teach English to poor rural families to help their children secure better job opportunities. Since you yourself have elected to badger me three times with the same question, then what point are you trying to make by asking me the same question several times?
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  24625.  @Esquera123  The West's obsession with China's economic downfall has been ongoing for over 30 years. Here's a compiled list of Western journal headlines: 1990. The Economist. China's economy has come to a halt 1996. The Economist. China's economy will face a hard landing 1998. The Economist: China's economy entering a dangerous period of sluggish growth 1999. Bank of Canada: Likelihood of a hard landing for the Chinese economy 2000. Chicago Tribune: China currency move nails hard landing risk coffin 2001. Wilbanks, Smith & Thomas: A hard landing in China 2002. Westchester University: China Anxiously Seeks a Soft Economic Landing 2003. New York Times: Banking crisis imperils China 2004. The Economist: The great fall of China? 2005. Nouriel Roubini: The Risk of a Hard Landing in China 2006. International Economy: Can China Achieve a Soft Landing? 2007. TIME: Is China's Economy Overheating? Can China avoid a hard landing? 2008. Forbes: Hard Landing In China? 2009. Fortune: China's hard landing. China must find a way to recover 2010: Nouriel Roubini: Hard landing coming in China 2011: Business Insider: A Chinese Hard Landing May Be Closer Than You Think 2012: American Interest: Dismal Economic News from China: A Hard Landing 2013: Zero Hedge: A Hard Landing In China 2014. CNBC: A hard landing in China 2015. Forbes: Congratulations, You Got Yourself A Chinese Hard Landing 2016. The Economist: Hard landing looms for China 2017. National Interest: Is China's Economy Going To Crash? 2018. The Daily Reckoning. China's Coming Financial Meltdown 2020. NYT. Coronavirus Could End China's Decades-Long Economic Growth Streak 2021. Bloomberg. Chinese economy risks deeper slowdown than markets realize 2022. Bloomberg China Surprise Data Could Spell R-e-c-e-s-s-i-o-n 2023. Bloomberg. No word should be off-limits to describe China's faltering economy ... Yet it's already 2024 and China's economy is still going strong.
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  24635.  @otsa120  Previously, while Tibet was under Dalai Lama rule, Tibet was a brutal theocracy, where 95% of the population were slaves and the remaining 5% elites were slave owners. Tibetan mountainous soil is infertile, rainfall is scarce in the Himalayas, so the slaves had to work hard to feed the Tibetan population. Starvation was commonplace and theft of food was punished by torture, amputation and even skinning. There's this Tibetan drum called damaru that's made from human skulls, a drumskin made of human skin and drumstick made of human bone. The Dalai Lama was overly worshipped and his followers fought for the right to consume his saliva, his urine and even his feces, because he was considered a divine vessel. After Tibet returned back to China, Chinese workers began rapidly modernising Tibet, building roads, railways, streetlamps, running water, gas and electricity as well as introducing modern amenities like cars, computers, telephone cables, smartphones, the Internet, WiFi, online shopping (from Taobao) and so on. Under CCP, the first Tibetan colleges opened in Lhasa, offering degrees in both Tibetan and Mandarin Chinese languages. Hydroelectric powerstations were built by Chinese to supply Tibetan homes with electricity. Source: Wikipedia: List of universities and colleges in Tibet Source: Wikipedia: List of major power stations in the Tibet Autonomous Region Chinese workers built the Qinghai-Lhasa railway (world's highest elevation railway) through dangerous mountainous terrain and low oxygen environments, to connect the normally isolated Tibet with the rest of the world. Tibet can now import food from the mainland to feed its population, and Tibet's population has tripled from 1 million in 1950s to over 3 million people today. A thriving tourist industry has even sprung up in Tibet.
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  24642.  @otsa120  You brought up Vietnam, but Vietnam has been free of Chinese rule since Ming Dynasty. The Ming dynasty invaded Vietnam and occupied Vietnam in what would be the Fourth Millennium, only be defeated by the army of rebel leader Lê Lợi, who later founded the Later Lê Dynasty in Vietnam. The Qing dynasty had also attempted to conquer Vietnam but was defeated by Emperor Quang Trung at 1789. Thats about 200-300 years ago. Vietnam became a French colony, but Communist China actually helped Vietnam gain independence from the French. During the 1st Indochina War, China supplied and provided the Việt Minh guerrilla forces with almost every kind of crucial and important supplies and material required, such as food (including thousands of tonnes of rice), money, medics and medical aid and supplies, arms and weapons (ranging from artillery guns (24 of such were used at the Battle of Dien Bien Phu) to rifles and machine-guns), ammunition and explosives and other types of military equipment. 2,000 military advisors from the PRC and the Soviet Union trained the Việt Minh guerrilla forces with the aim of turning it into a full-fledged armed force to fight off their French colonial masters and gain national independence. On top of this, the PRC sent two People's Liberation Army (PLA) artillery battalions to help Vietnamese fight the French for independence. Source: Wikipedia: First Indochina War From 1950 to 1954, the Chinese government shipped goods, materials, and medicine worth $43 billion (in 2019 dollars) to Vietnam. From 1950 to 1956, the Chinese government had also shipped 155,000 small arms, 58 million rounds of ammunition, 4,630 artillery pieces, 1,080,000 artillery shells, 840,000 hand grenades, 1,400,000 uniforms, 1,200 vehicles, 14,000 tons of food, and 26,000 tons of fuel to Vietnam. Yet some Vietnamese nationalist conveniently forgot China's contribution to the Vietnamese independence, some even insisted that they defeated the French all by themselves.
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  24644.  @otsa120  During the Vietnam War, the Americans dropped napalm bombs on Vietnamese villages (remember the 'Napalm Girl' photo?) and torched their villages to the ground. The Americans sprayed chemical defoliants like Agent Orange (which cause deformities in Vietnamese even till today) and the US soldiers slept with Vietnamese women and impregnated them, and then they abandoned the South Vietnamese to the communists and refuse to grant many of their children born rightful US citizenship. Yet the Vietnamese conveniently forget US atrocities? China also aided the Vietnamese during Vietnam War. People’s Liberation Army (PLA) forces began flowing into North Vietnam in July 1965 to help defend Hanoi and its major transportation systems. The total number of Chinese troops in North Vietnam between June 1965 and March 1968 amounted to over 320,000. China also provided Vietnam with with 5,670 sets of uniforms, 5,670 pairs of shoes, 567 tons of rice, 20.7 tons of salt, 55.2 tons of meat, 20.7 tons of fish, 20.7 tons of sesame and peanuts, 20.7 tons of beans, 20.7 tons of lard, 6.9 tons of soy sauce, 20,7 tons of white sugar, 8,000 toothbrushes, 11,100 tubes of toothpaste, 35,300 bars of soap, and 109,000 cases of cigarettes. In total, the agreement included 687 different items, covering such goods as table tennis balls, volleyballs, harmonicas, playing cards, pins, fountain pen ink, sewing needle, and vegetable seeds. Source: Wikipedia: China in the Vietnam War According to the table, China supplied Vietnam with: 1,922,897 Guns 64,529 Artillery pieces 1,048,207,000 Bullets 17,074,000 Artillery Shells 30,808 Radio Transmitters 48,922 Telephones 560 Tanks 164 Planes 15,771 Automobiles Yet the Vietnamese seem to have forgotten Chinese aid to Vietnam during the Vietnam War and they forgotten US atrocities in Vietnam?
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  24683.  @almondcaeser9587  But the whole China debt trap myth has been debunked. Take the Lowy Institute for example, they published an article entitled: _"Debunking the myth of China’s “debt-trap diplomacy”"_ (By Sharhar Hameiri). In our report, recently published by Chatham House, Lee Jones and I argue, however, that the assumptions underlying Australia’s response to the BRI are mistaken. China’s “debt-trap diplomacy” is a myth. Take Sri Lanka’s Hambantota Port. It is portrayed as the case par excellence for China’s debt-trap diplomacy. The conventional account is that China lent money to Sri Lanka to build the port, knowing that Colombo would experience debt distress and Beijing could then seize it in exchange for debt relief, permitting its use by China’s navy. ... This narrative is simply incorrect. The project was proposed by former Sri Lankan President Mahinda Rajapaksa, not Beijing, as part of his government’s corrupt and unsustainable development program. It quickly became a “white elephant”, however, creating vast surplus capacity and adding to Sri Lanka’s financial woes. Sri Lanka’s debt distress arose not from Chinese lending, but from excessive borrowing on Western-dominated capital markets._ ... So here we have actual published articles debunking the China debt trap myth (and in fact, seemingly pinning the blame on Western-dominated capital markets) so why do you persist in keeping this debt trap myth alive? You can't even refute the point, you resort to Person A, Person B examples that aren't based in reality.
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  24693.  @Camcolito  Who else is going to produce the goods to meet the demands of Americans, if not the factory of the world, China? China has air pollution problems yes, because of our over-reliance on coal power, which burns dirtily and produce smog, so the government built world's largest hydroelectric powerstation, the Three Gorges Dam to supply China with clean renewable energy to help reduce our CO2 emissions. Video: The Largest Dam in The World youtu.be/b8cCsUBYSkw And you yourself said American workers income levels hasn't changed for decades, but it doesn't affect the fact that goods in America are now cheaper thanks to Chinese goods entering the US markets, so can't you see the logic? Americans can afford more goods today despite having the same unchanged income levels, thanks to Chinese workers. You can't even refute this point, that Americans have profited off Chinese goods and saved money on living expenses to spend elsewhere, at the expense of Chinese workers working lower salaries than American workers. And you clearly have biased double standards, you constantly reduce my points to "Chinese benevolence", when you're just unwilling to admit the fact that China benefited America, because you refuse to give credit to China, where credit is due. What's wrong with my characterisation? You're the one clearly reluctant to admit to the fact that China benefited America, yet you claim to not have double standards? When you've been biasedly victimising the Americans all this while?
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  24723.  @eleinaedelweiss6215  "神州 Shenzhou because to adopt chinas method you need the same circumstances in culture and problems." Previously, China was once a dirt-poor, war-torn, starving country in the past, being invaded by foreign powers like the Eight Nation Alliance, plundering of China's wealth like the ransacking of the Old Summer Palace (圆明园) so if anything, China probably shares the same starting circumstances as many other developing countries like Pakistan, India, etc. Whereas Singapore has limited natural resources (like you said) whereas most developing countries have an abandance of resources (just not easily accessible). Just because it's not easily accessible doesn't mean the resources doesn't exist. The natural resources are there and as long as the technology exists to extract those resources, it's possible that developing countries in Africa and South America can someday harness those resources for themselves. Also, Singapore has population of just 5.6 million, whereas many developing countries have population ranges from 10 million - 100 million, so it doesn't make sense for developing countries to emulate Singapore's model as compared to China's model. Also, you talked about lacking meritocratic culture, but Singapore's culture is also meritocratic (just like China's) so how does your comparison make sense? "Now if you are a developing nation would you try to replicate China or Singapore" I believe I've explained how the circumstances of developing countries are more similar to China's than Singapore's. Perhaps the only thing Singapore has for it, is that it was a former British colony unlike China. But has Singapore truly left the "colonial mentality" behind?
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  24734.  @eleinaedelweiss6215  "one of the largest problem indonesian is facing regarding human resources would be brain drain people who learned from foreign countries refused to go back to Indonesia because of corruptions and etc but its getting better now" China also faced this exact problem of brain drain where talented Chinese left China to study overseas and didn't return back. However China's model has resulted in a "reverse brain drain" where immigrants migrate from a developed country to a developing country. Therefore Indonesia actually stands to benefit from learning the Chinese model of how to reverse this brain drain. On the other hand, Singapore's brain drain rate is higher than the global average and doesn't seem to be reversing anytime soon, so how can Indonesia stand to learn from Singapore's model over China's? You said: "Anyway the gov is emulating Singapore quite fine and applying communism in Indonesia is a fools errand." Again, could you please explain how exactly? Singapore has a population of just 5 million, whereas Indonesia is the world's 4th most populous country and actually shares more similarities with China than Singapore in the population aspect. It's like you're unable to explain, you just blurt out Singapore's model is better without going into actual details. You said: "we actually used to have the same systems like you mention and guess what 45 years dictatorship, secret marksman, and Chinese business being forced to some extreme donations to gov, the banning of of Chinese tradition language and culture, the extreme oppression of west papuans." So clearly Indonesia and China share similar histories and similar systems, then how exactly is Singapore model more suitable for Indonesia than China's model? Is it because Soeharto government blamed the "Chinese Problem" (Masalah Cina) that you harbor a dislike towards Chinese?
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  24845. Meanwhile, Western journals continue to predict an economic hard landing for China. 1990. The Economist: China's economy has come to a halt 1996. The Economist: China's economy will face a hard landing 1998. The Economist: China's economy entering a dangerous period of sluggish growth 1999. Bank of Canada: Likelihood of a hard landing for the Chinese economy 2000. Chicago Tribune: China currency move nails hard landing risk coffin 2001. Wilbanks, Smith & Thomas: A hard landing in China 2002. Westchester University: China Anxiously Seeks a Soft Economic Landing 2003. New York Times: Banking crisis imperils China 2004. The Economist: The great fall of China? 2005. Nouriel Roubini: The Risk of a Hard Landing in China 2006. International Economy: Can China Achieve a Soft Landing? 2007. TIME: Is China's Economy Overheating? Can China avoid a hard landing? 2008. Forbes: Hard Landing In China? 2009. Fortune: China's hard landing. China must find a way to recover 2010: Nouriel Roubini: Hard landing coming in China 2011: Business Insider: A Chinese Hard Landing May Be Closer Than You Think 2012: American Interest: Dismal Economic News from China: A Hard Landing 2013: Zero Hedge: A Hard Landing In China 2014. CNBC: A hard landing in China 2015. Forbes: Congratulations, You Got Yourself A Chinese Hard Landing 2016. The Economist: Hard landing looms for China 2017. National Interest: Is China's Economy Going To Crash? 2018. The Daily Reckoning: China's Coming Financial Meltdown 2020. NYT: Coronavirus Could End China's Decades-Long Economic Growth Streak 2021 Bloomberg: Chinese economy risks deeper slowdown than markets realize 2022. Bloomberg: China Surprise Data Could Spell R-e-c-e-s-s-i-o-n 2023. Bloomberg: No word should be off-limits to describe China's faltering economy. ... Yet it's already 2024 and China's economy is still going strong.
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  24887.  @buckygoldstein9256  "Chiang Kai-shek never "bend to the wishes of" Hirohito." Chiang kai-Shek even served in the Japanese Army from 1909 to 1911. He purged communists from KMT and their removal of Communists from within the ranks allowed him free reign to give himself what amounted to dictatorial power over much of China. When the Japanese invaded Manchuria, Chiang refused to face the Japanese invaders, until two of his subordinates, Generals Zhang Xueliang and Yang Hucheng, had to kidnap him to get him to ally with the communists in a united front against the Japanese. (Xi'an Incident) Additionally, the Communists actually saved his leadership, and it’s often forgotten that without the Communists’ help, Chiang would never have survived as a political force, since was the communists who convinced the officers to release Chiang and allow him to take control of the government once again. Chiang’s efforts against the Japanese gained him some influential friends. And although the Communist General Mao was responsible for much of the damage inflicted upon the Japanese, it was Chiang who got the credit mainly from Britain and the US. When civil war broke out in China, Chiang expected help from the allies, but after a long campaign against both the Japanese and the Germans, the US and Britain were reluctant to get involved in a civil war. His Western ‘friends’ literally abandoned him. He suppressed local culture in Taiwan (White Terror) and was responsible for the imprisonment of 140,000 Taiwanese. These people were taken captive for their alleged opposition to the KMT. At this time, anyone openly criticizing the ruling party was deemed a Communist sympathizer. He held the Taiwan presidency for 25 years. He held the Taiwan under a permanent state of martial law, thus ensuring his power was absolute. In fact, the constitution only allowed for two terms in power, but with martial law as his excuse, Chiang could rule indefinitely. Source: Culture Trip: 11 Things You Should Know About Chiang Kai-shek
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  24894.  @buckygoldstein9256  "In 1978, Deng Xiaoping was eager to adopt capitalist methods and reforms in order to stimulate economic growth and restore confidence in the party." Correct, but Deng's capitalist reforms also allowed the ills of such a system to infiltrate China, resulting in growing inequality and as well as corruption within the communist party ranks. President Xi Jinping is attempting to reverse those ill effects that capitalism brought to China. You said: "Xi Jinping is a dictator. Look at what he did to Jack Ma. Look at what he did to Chinese stocks:" Capitalism favors monopolies, that's why American monopolies like Amazon, Google, Facebook, Apple, can dominate their respective sectors, eliminating competition from smaller American companies, and stifling innovation through competition in the process. China has an anti-monopoly law to clamp down on anti-competitive practices in Alibaba, Tencent, Didi, and this actually "frees up space" to allow smaller Chinese enterprises to compete. You said: "Deng Xiaoping made China great. Xi Jinping is going to turn China into an ash heap, and maybe the whole world with it." Xi Jinping is reversing the ill effects that Deng's economic reforms brought to China, tackling inequality through a "Common Prosperity" policy. Deng's policies have allowed Eastern Chinese port cities to get rich first, now President Xi is attempting to distribute China's wealth to the poorer Western Regions like Tibet, Xinjiang, etc. The one who's trying to turn the whole world into ash is the United States, by sending Pelosi to visit Taiwan in violation of the One China policy. You said: "If not, how long do you think China will remain the worlds 2nd largest economy with stock performance like that?" Stocks is not the only indicator of an economy.
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  24895.  @buckygoldstein9256  "神州 Shenzhou Whatever Chiang Kai-shek did in 1909 to 1911 has no relevance to Taiwan. He did fight the Japanese even if he felt it was more important to fight the communists." Taiwan was occupied by Japan during that period, what makes you think it has no relevance? And when the Japanese invaded Manchuria in 1931, Chiang was reluctant to meet the invaders head on, instead he continued purging communists (our fellow Chinese brethren) until two of his subordinates, Generals Zhang Xueliang and Yang Hucheng, had to kidnap Chiang and force him to ally with the communists against the Japanese. This incident is known as the Xi'an Incident (西安事变). Source: Wikipedia: Xi'an Incident Many young officers in the Northeast Army demanded Chiang be killed, but it was thanks to communist goodwill by Zhou Enlai and Lin Boqu, who arrived in Xi'an to negotiate for Chiang's release, that he actually survived to form an alliance with the communists against the Japanese. You said: "I told you that Mao said that the Japanese were a disease of the skin but Chiang was a disease of the heart." This is the first time I'm hearing this for you, and are you sure that Mao actually said those words? You said: "The fact that he was a dictator (so was Mao by the way) has nothing to do with whether or not I would understand who the "evil Hiruto" is." I've already answered this in how Chiang served in the Japanese Army from 1909 to 1911. And the Japanese Army is under Emperor Hirohito. You said: "More importantly Chiang being a good guy or a bad guy has nothing to do with Taiwan's status as part of China or a separate nation. Chiang and the KMT were the ones who retained the idea that Taiwan is part of China under the Republic of China's constitution (which Taiwan still abides by) so he is instrumental in the One China policy. You said: "Don't they teach critical thinking in China." There's was study by Stanford University that suggests China is producing students with some of the strongest critical thinking skills in the world.
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  24897.  @buckygoldstein9256  "神州 Shenzhou You're not wrong about the resolution. But repeating yourself doesn't make you any more right." So you've repeatedly accused me of being wrong about UN General Resolution 2758, yet when I keep an open mind, asking you to point out where have I been wrong in the resolution, you're unable to do so? You said: "However it's a resolution, it's not the law and a resolution doesn't make it either right or absolute." Well, if that's your stance, then Russia should not be bound by the UN's "demand" that they get out of Ukraine then. After all, to you it's just a resolution and not the law. Didn't you quote the saying: "what's good for the goose is good for the gander as well?" You said: "When it was made it was (as you pointed out) considered that China was the ROC." Before 1971, China's seat in the UN Security Council was the ROC yes, but Resolution 2758 was what made the UN recognize PRC as China in the UN Security Council and ROC (i.e Taiwan) was kicked out of the UN. And this process was achieved through democratic voting in the UN. You said: "You told me about maps showing that Taiwan owned all of mainland China. You can argue that the PRC "inherited" that when they took over the ROCs seat in the UN." That's Taiwan's current stance as ROC, and since there hasn't been any amendments to Taiwan's constitution, then by default, Taiwan still claims all of mainland China as part of their territory. Since Taiwan can claim the mainland, then can't the mainland also claim Taiwan as part of the PRC? You said: "I would argue that if the communists had killed Chiang Kai-shek before he retreated to Taiwan, resolution 2758 would never have existed. I think it is likely that, in that case, Taiwan would have been either taken over as a protectorate of the US (as being the primary force against Japan) or granted it's independence." We are straying into hypothetical scenarios here, but why would Taiwan island be given to the United States? Chiang retreated to Taiwan in 1949, 2 years after the Japanese surrendered in 1945 at the end of WWII, then why would Taiwan be given to the USA? And if Chiang was killed before retreating to Taiwan, it's possible that the communists would still maintain the claim over Taiwan, since PRC would have inherited ROC's claim over the island.
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  24954.  Molly Wop Chainsaw  The American soldiers deployed to Afghanistan, suffered for decades in a pointless war in the Middle East, would they even want to be deployed to the US military bases surrounding China, in Japan and South Korea, a potential location for the eruption of the next World War? Would American soldiers happily reunited with their families in USA, want to separate again to be deployed halfway across the globe to Asia? The USA relies on foreign policy in order to avoid dealing with domestic problems at home and to demonstrate their commitments to their allies. The previous Trump administration has seriously alienated US allies, so Biden administration needs to drum up anti-China support from their allies once again. China's strategy is to woo US allies and expand business with them, so it becomes increasingly difficult for US allies to want to declare war on China. That's why USA is resorting to sanctions and threatening allies to do the same. Remember, even if China does nothing, it doesn't mean USA will do nothing. USA is now aware of China as a potential threat to its hegemony, they won't go back to sleep after waking up. Unless one day USA suddenly elected a sleepy President who decides to ignore China. The same way, the sleeping giant China will not go back to sleep now that we are awake, we need to progress otherwise we risk being left behind again, as during the 19th century. In any case, doing something is better than doing nothing. If China does nothing, then obviously nothing will change, China will forever be under the heel of Westerners, unless we start making them see us as equals.
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  24955.  Molly Wop Chainsaw  A million and a half soldiers? The Chinese People's Liberation Army is world's largest land army home to estimated 2 million active personnel with another half million personnel in reserve. And war veterans during Vietnam War, Korean War, and now the Middle Eastern wars are tired of waging wars so far away from American soil, American soldiers should be fighting to defend their lands, rather than dying in wars halfway across the globe. I thought Americans have freedom of speech, freedom to vote, that the American people determine the US government, so shouldn't it be Americans themselves who have the power to stop their country from going to war? Studies have shown that America spent some 6 trillion dollars ($6,000,000,000,000) on seemingly pointless wars in the Middle East. Source: America has spent $6.4 trillion on wars in the Middle East and Asia since 2001, a new study says cnbc.com/2019/11/20/us-spent-6point4-trillion-on-middle-east-wars-since-2001-study.html And like I said, it's not as though if China leave USA alone, that USA will leave China alone. Just as USA continues to treat Russia with suspicion even after the USSR collapse, the USA will not go back to sleep after waking up to sunrise that is China. Likewise, China will not go back to sleep after waking up, we need to continue our progress lest we fall behind in development. Furthermore, China has become the world's factory and a prominent driver of global economy, China was the only major country to see positive economic growth in 2020 and we recently released our 1st Quarter GDP growth of whopping 18%. China is actually driving global economy growth post-Covid, where the USA can't be relied upon to drive the global economy post-Covid, given that they are yet to get their home affairs in order. Remember, if China does nothing, then obviously nothing will change, and China will continue to be under the US heel. Only by doing something, that we can avert this collision course and get USA to see us as equals.
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  25024. +Bruce Leroy You insult all those US political parties you mentioned, then what's the whole point of having multiple parties in US politics? Each party pulls USA in a separate direction and each party always blame one another for America's problems. I mean, look at the way you insult each party. If everyone blames everyone else, then who's going to take responsibility for America? Whereas in China, there is only a single party, the CCP, so all the good things and all the bad things are all credited and blamed on CCP. The CCP have done both good and bad things since ruling China and because of that, they accept responsibility and make changes accordingly. For example, China was failing under Mao's communist market system, so Deng Xiaoping opened China's markets in 1970s, and thus, China progressed rapidly. Another example is One-Child Policy, and now since China's birth rate is shrinking, the policy has been changed to Two-Child Policy. China has pollution problems, so the government is planning to ban coal powerplants (because they burn dirtily and pollute the air) and is planning to ban non-electric cars in China by 2040.In fact, China sold more electric vehicles in 2017 than USA and Europe, and China has the largest stock of electric buses in the world. China is leading the world in Plug In Electric Vehicle (PEV) sales Source: Electric car use by country wikipedia.org/wiki/Electric_car_use_by_country The CCP is an efficient government that actually gets work done, instead of arguing among themselves in a multi-party system like the USA. Since China is successful, then why should China adopt multi-party system then?
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  25027. AgarTron So many questions you asked, I'll try to answer them Companies and the private sector plan America's future, that's why USA goes to war with Middle East countries to control the oil and so the US defense industries can make profit from war. Americans often lament that the corporations control the government, not the other way round. Whereas in China, the corporations are mostly state-owned, so the government controls the corporations in China. Why do you entrust your countries future to a profit-driven corporations? In the US multi-party system, the Republicans and the Democrats seem to spene more time and money fighting each other, and blaming each other for America's woes, instead of trying to solve America's problems, and their actions may end up wasting precious resources. For example, the Obama Administration came up with the draft for the Trans Pacific Partnership, but after Trump was elected president, he cancelled the TPP, simply because Trump don't like Obama (Obama had humiliated Trump with his birth cert). All that money put in the TPP is wasted and gone down the drain. Whereas in China's One Party system, the communist party is responsible for all the good and bad things that happen to China. The CCP learns from past mistakes, and moves on, and tackles China's woes one by one, slowly and steadily. Already, the CCP has put forth many 5-year plans, 10-year plans, 15-year plans, 20-year plans, etc, to map out China's direction and our future in 2020, 2030, 2040, 2050, etc. By abolishing the presidential term limit, our leaders can remain in power to help see our long term plans bloom and come to fruition. But US presidents can only be in power for 4-8 years, so they make short term plans for USA, not spanning more than 10 years.
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  25028. +AgarTron But what happens when those companies start to control the government? Much of America's wealth is concentrated in only 1% of the population, and the remaining 99% of Americans always complain about it. If you let companies pursue profits, then that's exactly what they'll do. Prioritize profits over virtually everything else. Look the USA has been involved in Gulf War, Iraq War, Afghan War, etc, because of the oil, and American troops are dying on foreign soil, instead of fighting to defend America at home. The American mainland is hardly in any danger, yet America is still being involved in wars, because the US defense companies profit during war. About US private sectors, they have led to collapse of the US economy in the past, such as the Great Depression in 1930s as well as the more recent 2008 US financial crash. Its because you let your companies do whatever they want, and this is the result. China thus far, has not have a market crash of our own. Western economists have been predicting China's economic downfall since 1990s. Here is compiled list of what Western journalists have to say about China's economy 1990. The Economist: China's economy has come to a halt. 1996. The Economist: China's economy will face hard landing. 1998. The Economist: China's economy entering a dangerous period of sluggish growth. 1999. Bank of Canada: Likelihood of a hard landing for the Chinese economy. 2000. Chicago Tribune: China currency move nails hard landing risk coffin. 2001. Wilbanks, Smith & Thomas: A hard landing in China. 2002. Westchester University: China Anxiously Seeks A Soft Economic landing. 2003. KWR International: How to find a soft landing if China.. 2004. The Economist: The great fall of China? 2005. Nouriel Roubini: The Risk of a Hard Landing in China. 2006. International Economy: Can China Achieve a Soft Landing? 2007. TIME: Is China's Economy Overheating? Can China avoid a hard landing? 2008. Forbes: Hard Landing in China? 2009. Fortune: China's hard landing. China must find a way to recover. 2010. Nouriel Roubini: Hard landing coming in China. 2011. Business Insider: A Chinese Hard Landing May Be Closer Than You Think. 2012. American Interest: Dismal Economic News from China: A Hard Landing. 2013. Zero Hedge: A Hard Landing in China. 2014. CNBC: A hard landing in China. 2015. Forbes: Congratulations, You got Yourself A Chinese Hard Landing.... 2016. The Economist: Hard Landing looms for China. But its already 2018 and China's economy is still going strong, and the West has been proven consecutively wrong in its predictions for nearly 30 years! So doesn't this demonstrate good planning on behalf of the Chinese government in handling economic issues within our country? Agreed that USA have the power to make change, but change can be good change as well as bad change. For example, President Trump is now starting a trade war with China, but what happens if he gets voted off, or his term ends after 4-8 years? His trade war with China will most likely discontinue, and the next POTUS may start reversing Trump's policies (just like when Trump reversed Obama's policies) For example, Obamacare was not perfect, but if functioned well and was stable for 8 years. Yet Trump wanted to repeal Obamacare and start his new one from scratch? Because Trump don't like Obama? With a multi-party system, parties can always blame each other for America woes. America's woes include rising debt, healthcare, gun control, and no US party wants to touch this bludgeoning problem. If you think this doesn't hinder USA, then these problems will only continue to grow and grow (because the parties don't want to solve it, and they expect the other party to solve it) Take gun control for example. In USA its much easier to obtain firearms to commit mass shootings in public schools or tourist attractions, by armed gunmen. A simple change to impose stricter laws on guns would probably solve/reduce the problem greatly, but Americans refuse to surrender their right to bear firearms. List of school shootings in the United States Source: wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_school_shootings_in_the_United_States So many tragic shootings in US schools have occurred, because of poor gun control. Because nothing is being done about it, it can be predicted that more gun shootings will occur in the future, so why do you claim such a system isn't hindering USA? Because sooner or later USA will magically figure out a solution?
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  25029. +AgarTron Everyone has heard of Americans complaining how the US companies control the government, how the US banks control the government, and how the Jews/Zionist are taking over and controlling the government (sometimes the world). Just watch some videos or read comments about US economy, and you can encounter such people. For example, the then President Bush had invaded Iraq on suspicion of harboring WMDs, but no traces of WMDs were ever found. Its more likely USA invaded Iraq because of oil, and because of US oil companies. And all those US wars in the Middle East (Gulf War, Iraq War, Afghan War, Libyan War, etc) they present new opportunities for US defense companies to showcase their wares and to justify the increase in US military spending. Most of the ordinary Americans don't want war, but then why USA still goes to war? US military spending is the world's highest, (more than the next 7-8 countries spending combined) and some of that money goes missing (probably into someone's pockets) $6.5 trillion missing from US Defense Department Source: wnd.com/2016/08/6-5-trillion-missing-from-defense-department/ China has corruption too yes, but at least under President Xi Jinping, there are ongoing anti-corruption crackdowns and many corrupt CCP officials have been taken down. But when's the last time USA had an anti-corruption crackdown of its own? In my personal opinion, Hiliary Clinton is corrupt, and Donald Trump promised to jail her during his presidential campaign. But after President Trump assumed office, no further action has been taken against Clinton. How is US companies going to innovate if it has such strict Intellectual Property rights? In my opinion, IP rights hinder innovation, because they encourage innovative people to come with a single idea, and then file for IP protection, and then slowly collect money from IP rights, instead of innovating a new idea. On the other hand, other creative people are restricted by the number of available tools, applications, ideas, because they don't want to incur copyright infringement. Thus, IP just encourage creative laziness, and otherwise innovative people only come up with a single good idea, and sit back and collect money from patents, and other struggling artists have to pay money to use such resources and are restricted from accessing the full spectrum of available tools. When did I said the USA learns from its mistakes? Can you highlight my words claiming that USA learns from its mistakes? If the USA truly learns from its mistakes, then why USA still get involve in more and more wars? Even economically, the Great Depression didn't teach US private companies anything, and that's why the 2008 Financial Crisis occurred again. I mean, you literally give power to the private corporations (who come and go) so what makes you think private corporations will learn from mistakes? They prioritize profits over anything else, and take risky moves without any promised support or fallback plan, and that's why Layman Brothers got bankrupted, and the 2008 Financial crisis occurred. If USA had learned from its mistakes then why did the financial crash happened again? About India, India is world's largest democracy, whereas China is communist. Republic of India was founded in 1947, whereas People's Republic of China was founded in 1949 (2 years later). As the world's 2nd largest population, the workforce in India is probably the same as the workforce in China. Indians can speak English, whereas many Chinese still struggle with English today. India had a free market whereas China's market was communist until 1970s. But despite India enjoying all these advantages, China has long overtaken India in various fields. China has the world's 2nd largest economy and our defense industry is stronger than India's. Poverty rates in China are much lower than in India. India's Global Hunger Index is 31.4(serious) compared to China's 7.5(low). China's literacy rate is 96.4% whereas India's literacy rate is 72.1%. Can you imagine that over 25% of Indian adults haven't been to school, yet they can vote for their government? I have already shown what Westerners been saying about China's economy, yet you still think China's economy will fail? About Chinese banks, they are the world's largest and you really think China is doing the same as American banks where in 2008? Don't forget that these are state-owned banks so they are controlled by the government, and are restricted to giving loans freely like your American banks. Wikipedia: List of largest banks Source: wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_largest_banks The problem is that all of America's woes (rising debt, gun control, military expenditure, etc) need more than 10 years to truly resolve, and no US president can hope to solve all of Americas problems, given his short presidential term of 4-8 years. USA appears to be suffering from what's called "political stagnation" where leaders are unable to solve problems, ineffective leadership and there is often scapegoating and victimization (such as blaming China for America's problems and portraying America as the victim) You just claim that "things will work out" but its clear that they aren't, and US problems are only going to pile up Wikipedia: Political stagnation Source: wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_stagnation. Next US president could change Trump's policies (just like when Trump easily changed Obama's policies) so why do you claim that it isn't easy? The US trade war with China is unpopular with US farmers and other people so why do you claim it is unlikely to stop? It will probably be the 1st one to go, since like I said, US corporations are interested in making profit and a trade war will only lessen their profits. So why would US corporations support a trade war, when its not in the best interests of business? I've notices that most of your points are just "yeah, things will get better, things will pull through, etc" and you don't really elaborate on your points well enough, or cite actual sources to support your points. If you just leave things to fate, then there's no guarantee that things will proceed as you say. But if you have a stable single-party government like China, then you can implement far-reaching long term policies and make long-term plans spanning far in to the future. The CCP has put forth 5-year plans, 10-year plans, 20-year plans, etc. and that's why Chinese people can look forward to a bright future, whereas USA lacks long-term planning and instead, you entrust your plans to corporations? I mean, what happens if those US corporations close down suddenly? There goes your long term plan for US economy,
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  25077. +Zach O What makes you think that Americans will get over the influx of immigrants? Because nobody is complaining about them? In America, you have this culture of 'political correctness' where people are reluctant to voice their true opinions for fear of offending some minority group (or feminists, LGBT activists, etc,) and being labelled as "racist". Because of this, many disgruntled Americans hide their true opinions of immigrants to themselves, and it gives off the false appearance that everything is fine on the surface, when it is not. You yourself may be okay with this, but that's just your own belief, and many Caucasian Americans don't share your opinion. For example, there was this incident where a Caucasian American woman confronted two Spanish speaking Mexican women in Colorado. American Woman Berates Mexicans For Speaking Spanish video: youtube.com/watch?v=tive6AwWFWQ&feature=youtu.be You're right that America is becoming a melting pot of races, cultures and religion. But that is precisely why America is going to suffer from a identity crisis, as the numerous races and culture within America compete to challenge what it means to be an American. As more immigrants flood into America, the immigrants are less compelled to speak English, less compelled to follow American traditions and culture, and instead they retain their home countries cultural beliefs and practices and bring them to America, much to the dismay of Caucasian Americans. As for China, we are already the most populous country in the world, and its possible that there aren't enough resources to support our population, so why should we accept more immigrants to compete with locals for education and jobs? Why dilute our Chinese culture and language with immigrants? Statistically speaking, with our large population, we have the most brainpower to come up with ideas, and the most manpower to implement those ideas and turn them into reality.
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  25078. +Belen Cerda Luna I assume you are Zach O and are responding in his/her place. Because Chinese have been living in China for so long (China has 5000 years of history) our cultural identity is strong enough to endure the passage of time. But modern America only has about 200-300 years of history (if you consider American Civil War to be start of American identity) and there's no guarantee that America's young identity will last. A strong common identity is what binds a country together, without it your country is pulled in different directions and torn apart. You said Irish and German immigrants assimilated into American culture, but did the Chinese (that you mentioned earlier) assimilate as well? What about the Mexicans/Hispanics? The stronger the homecountry's racial/language identity, the more resistant the immigrants are to assimilation. Hispanics and Asians tend to have strong identities and that's why they are most resistant to assimilation. Otherwise, why only Germans and Irish assimilated, but not Hispanics and Chinese? Ah, you must still be studying, from your high school life description and that you need your parent's permission to charge your device. Let me tell you straight up that the real world is NOT like the controlled environment of high school. People speak whatever they want outside of school. American schools offer English yes, but they also offer Spanish classes as well, and this gives incentives for non-English speakers to continue speaking their mother tongue. Enjoy your high school life while it lasts, but remember that once you venture out into the real world, you'll find problems that school environments can't simulate, and start to understand why Caucasian Americans feel about their identity being threatened.
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  25079. +Snickering Ginger You changed your name from Zach O? You clearly didn't make any reply after my last comment addressed to you, so how have I missed out what you said? USA hasn't gotten over the Chinese. I've been to parts of USA (such as Ames, Iowa, Minneapolis, etc) and some people still make accusations against me (Stop Stealing our jobs! or Go Back to China!) I'm aware that not every American is like that, but it shows a deep seated resentment towards foreigners shared by Caucasian Americans. I mean, just because they don't say it out loud, doesn't mean its not present inside their minds. But in America, you have a culture of "Political Correctness" so nobody can voice their true opinions for fear of being labelled "racists". So how exactly are these unhappy Americans going to have a voice of their own, if people attack them for their honest views? You can't remove racism by attacking people who make racist remarks (because these are their honest opinions after all) so How Politically Correct Culture Promotes Racism Video: youtube.com/watch?v=nqq7_1VI7v4 You said: "Note that those videos that you find almost always feature old people, not younger generations who have grown up surrounded by diversity." My video was from some American (I don't know his age, but he sounds young) and he's grown up in Mexico and speaks Spanish, yet he agrees that Mexicans should at least follow American rules while in America. I mean, you obviously can't speak for your entire generation (and also, people's views change as they grow older) so what makes you think your current generation will hold its values, once exposed to the reality of the real world? About China's system, China has 5000 years of history and is among the world's oldest 'continuous' civilization still alive today, whereas other great ancient civilizations like Mesopotamia, Rome and Egypt eventually faded to history. China has seen the rise and fall of many other nations and we survived the violent passage of history to where we are today, because China has always been authoritarian (ruled by Emperor and his imperial court, or by a centralized power like the CCP). But modern Western democracy only has about 200-300 years of history, and there's no guarantee that such a system will last. Elections are very controversial topics and people always frame them in whatever angles they want to. For example, people could have voted for Democrats, simply because they don't like Trump, but it doesn't mean that they agree with the liberal's mindset, isn't it? You said Trump was just the last dying gasp of an outdated way of thinking, then why on Earth did Trump get elected in the first place? Because Americans were unhappy with the way immigrants were flooding your countries in the first place. That's the main problem with your system. The American people are fickle, and easily change minds and votes, so that nothing remains constant. Who knows, maybe the next election, the Republicans will win? Americans may not even be politically savvy enough to make the correct decisions regarding the country's future, yet you still allow them to vote? For what? Why not let the people who are qualified to govern the country, govern? Why involve the public's opinion, which can mess up the government policies? About weed legalization and gay marriage, why do you want to legalize a potentially addictive drug (and why do you think its a good thing?) What if people get addicted to it and sell off their houses and property to acquire more of it? Marijuana is banned by most countries in the world (for good reason) and you think that it's good for America to legalize it? About gay marriage, throughout most of history, the basic family unit consists of the father/husband and mother/wife/wives and any children they had. Why do you want to break up the basic family unit (that all of humanity has been following till now) and allow same sex couples to get married? Because its considered liberal and "progressive" to do such a thing? About China's ability to produce food, China can support 20% of the world's population with only 7% arable land, and still produce enough surplus food to export to other countries. We are home to the world's largest pig and sheep farms. In global fishing industry, China's fish stocks make up 1/3 of the world's fish production and our fish farms make up 2/3 of the world's aquaculture. China has world's largest pig stocks wikipedia.org/wiki/Pig_farming China has world's largest sheep stocks wikipedia.org/wiki/Sheep_farming Fishing industry in China Source: wikipedia.org/wiki/Fishing_industry_in_China China ranks 1st in worldwide agricultural output, primarily producing rice, wheat, onions, cabbage, green bean, cauliflowers, eggplant, potator, spinach, carrots, cucumbers, pumpkins, sweet potato, and many many more. List of largest producing countries of agricultural commodities wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_largest_producing_countries_of_agricultural_commodities So why do you claim America is going to be holding China over a bread basket for leverage? About India overtaking China, can India even afford to feed its current population, let alone grow its population to surpass China's?
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  25080. +Snickering Ginger I am not talking about the life of the immigrants, I'm talking about how Americans truly feel about Immigrants coming to America and slowly displacing them over time. Here's an example, the Muslim refugees and immigrants come to USA but instead of assimilating into the predominantly Christian society, Muslims retain their old traditions and beliefs (because American laws allow them to) and Muslim women can wear Muslim headveil out in public, and are under little pressure to assimilate to American values. Many Americans are secretly angry that the Muslims can continue their ways while in their new host country, but they can't voice their true opinion for fear of being labelled "Islamophobe" (fear of Islam) Once again, its the American culture of Political Correctness, preventing Americans from voicing their true opinion, but you just take American silence as acceptance of foreign cultures? Non-Muslims must convert to Islam when they marry Muslims, whereas being Christian is a matter of choice, so over time, the number of Christians in USA decreases, while the number of Muslims in America increases, changing the religious demographics of USA over time. U.S. Muslim population to double by 2030 youtube.com/watch?v=vSGNybMDTgI You can bet that even Caucasian Americans themselves are going to be fearful of being displaced by Muslims. Even when they don't outright say anything for fear of being offensive. About the Opium War, the British wanted to continue drinking Chinese tea, but China did not want anything the West had to offer, so the British wages two bloody wars with China and forced us to buy opium from them, which we didn't want, because it made us sick and was slowly poisoning our people. Port cities like Shanghai were forced open to act as drug distribution hubs to pump the addiction throughout rest of China, and Hong Kong was stolen and made into a British Colony. What did Chinese people do to deserve this? China don't invade your Western countries and sell you addictive substances. And look at Britain today. Britain was colonial superpower in 19th century, but was eventually overtaken by USA in 20th century. But China was superpower for 1800 years (our GDP was more than USA and Britain from 1-1800 AD) prior to 19th century Global GDP from 1-2003 AD (by Angus Maddison) wikipedia.org/wiki/File:1_AD_to_2003_AD_Historical_Trends_in_global_distribution_of_GDP_China_India_Western_Europe_USA_Middle_East.png Your video by Thomas P.M. Barnett, he is someone who believes in the USA "exporting security" (aka declaring war) to other countries, such as prior to the Iraq War and he's a self-proclaimed economic determinist. But where does he get his qualifications to talk about economics, when he's graduated with bachelor of Russian language and literature, and international relations with an emphasis in U.S. foreign policy? He clearly doesn't study climate change or economics, so why you think he's qualified to explain how China will depend on USA because of climate change? I mean, China even has the technology to grow food in the arid deserts, according to the following video Watch This New Technology in China That Converts Desert Into Productive Land Rich With Crops Video: youtube.com/watch?v=jkdxObsCVGY You said: "You're closer to the equator, so you're going to be much more adversely affected by drought" As far as I know, the equator experiences higher rainfall, and it is unknown how climate change will affect rainfall near the equator. A warmer atmosphere can hold more moisture, and globally water vapour increases by 7% for every degree centigrade of warming. Nobody knows the true extent of climate change impacting rainfall, but there's evidence to show that regions that are already wet are likely to get wetter, while drier places are likely to get drier How will climate change affect rainfall? theguardian.com/environment/2011/dec/15/climate-change-rainfall I mean, why you just make simple statements like "You're closer to the equator so you will be much more adversely affected by drought" without doing proper research? Instead you take your source from some military guy, who doesn't study climate change and economics? What makes you think democracy lasts? Throughout history, democracy has a history of failure and Athenian Democracy failed, Spartan Democracy failed, Greek Democracy failed, and the Republic of Rome fell. Modern Western democracy is only 200-300 years, so what makes you think it will last, given other historical democracies have failed? Instead, many ancient nations had systems where power is held by the elite few, such as nobles (aristocracy), priests (theocracy) or kings and emperors (monarchy). That's because such people tend to be educated and able to make important political decisions regarding the countries' future, and that's why their systems were the most popular and stable throughout history. So many ancient countries had kings, nobles, priests or other educated, politically savvy people making all the big decisions, and many survived because of this. About this video, all China needs to do is increase the birth rate that's all and there are numerous ways of doing it. China has successfully shrunk our population birth rate, and so who says the reverse can't happen and China can't improve our birth rate? However, the government hasn't found it necessary to drastically increase the birth rate yet. Also, technology can play a part in helping China take care of the elderly. Already, China is world's largest market for robots and automation and we opened Asia's 1st fully automatic port in Qingdao. Automation is much more efficient since they can work 24 hours, well into the night and are less likely to make human mistakes. Asia’s first automated container terminal, at Port of Qingdao, China youtube.com/watch?v=bn2GPNJmR7A Here's a video about automation in China's warehouse Robots sorting system helps Chinese company finish at least 200,000 packages a day in the warehouse youtube.com/watch?v=_QndP_PCRSw In the same way China deals with automation, in the future we might have automated caregivers helping take care of China's elderly in order to ease the burden on younger Chinese. Its one possible solution for our problem. India started 60 million to death? I assume you mean "starved" but every year, Indians die from starvation, their children suffer from high malnutrition rates (more than 1/3 of the world's malnourished children live in India) so what makes you think India hasn't starved 60 million of their own to death? Can you get the actual figures to prove your claim? Malnutrition in India Statistics State Wise savethechildren.in/articles/malnutrition-in-india-statistics-state-wise Taken from the above source: World Bank data indicates that India has one of the world’s highest demographics of children suffering from malnutrition – said to be double that of Sub-Saharan Africa with dire consequences. India’s Global Hunger Index India ranking of 67 the 80 nations with the worst hunger situation places us even below North Korea or Sudan. 44% of children under the age of 5 are underweight, while 72% of infants have anaemia So how did you arrive at your figure that India hasn't starved millions to death? You just make up claims and figures with no proof of your own?
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  25082. +Stephen Arias "You should embrace the constructive criticism to better your country." What makes you think that constructive criticism will automatically better the country? Look at USA with so much ongoing criticism, but does USA actually reflect on this criticism? For example, USA has loose gun laws, which make it easier to commit crimes such as robbery since ordinary people have easier access to firearms. Caucasian policemen also sometimes shoot the African American suspect dead and ask questions later (because of possibility of the suspect being armed with guns) There have been tragic spate of US school shootings by armed gunmen, but Americans refuse to amend their gun laws and to surrender the right to bear arms. Now look at China. The government readily censors information and its difficult to criticize the government within China. But the government still gets things done quite efficiently. China built the world's largest hydroelectric powerstation, the Three Gorges Dam which supplies China with a huge amount of renewable green energy to power our growth and reduce pollution. Chinese government is also making plans to ban coal power in some regions, and already China is the world's largest market for electric vehicles, buses and so on. You talked about constructive criticism when China is working hard to improve our country daily as compared to American? Didn't President Trump promise to bring coal power back to America, and even withdrew USA from the 2017 Paris Climate Accord, thus not limiting USA's CO2 emissions?
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  25083. +Stephen Arias "Most of the Chinese people I know that are from the Mainland can’t handle when others, even their own people criticize China." I can also say that most Americans that I know can't handle when others, even other Americans criticize America. You said immigrants allow a society to become more open to innovate ideas to better their country. Then why are Americans complaining about the immigrants coming to America? Look at the Muslims coming to America, but refusing to adopt American culture, and they retain their own Muslim culture instead. By opening your doorways to everyone, then the foreign cultures will start to dilute the local American culture and America starts to undergo an identity crisis. So why should China follow America and just let everyone in? China is not America and America is not China. The "American Dream" is that any poor immigrant to America can eventually strike it rich some day. But the "Chinese Dream" is the eventual rejuvenation of China. For that, we need immigrants who actually contribute to China, and that's why the government scrutinize every immigrant to China and only admit the best possible people in. I mean, if you let everyone into your country, then both the good immigrants and bad immigrants will come. But if you're like China, and only admit the good people (doctors, lawyers, engineers, scientists, etc) and reject the undesirables (refugees, political dissidents, deadbeats, etc) then over a course of time, your country will start to improve.
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  25110.  @-JustHuman-  You did the math yes, but again, crematoriums cremate bodies who died of all sorts of causes (i.e Old age, traffic accidents, illnesses other than Covid-19) so how do you prove that all those bodies were from people who died of Covid-19? Otherwise, this is just your own speculation that's all, no concrete evidence that China is lying about the death count. Remember that Wuhan was under lockdown at that time. That means lots of shipments, deliveries, business transactions have gotten postponed or delayed, and this includes crematorium operations. The sudden surge of cremation operations could be because the crematorium was trying to clear a backlog that was accumulated as a result of Wuhan lockdown causing many business activities to cease temporarily. ... You said: "Chinese hospitals are very bad compared to most modern countries( even compared to 3'rd world countries really), they have worse education, equipment and more people to serve pr. hospital. Yet, they should some how have a smaller death toll than countries with modern equipment and higher level of care how ?" Because China was swift to lockdown Wuhan and even built temporary hospitals like 1000-bed Huoshenshan (火神山医院) hospital in 10 days. Video: Time-lapse of Huoshenshan hospital built in 10 days_ youtu.be/TuxhHsRSzGw China also built a second 1,500-bed Leishenshan (雷神山医院) hospital in 12 days. Video: Time-lapse video shows how Leishenshan Hospital completed in 12 days youtu.be/bEVkVdlNaxk This is how China was able to handle Covid-19 compared to other countries with modern equipment and higher level of care.
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  25113.  @-JustHuman-  It wasn't the communists that kidnap Chiang it was his own Nationalist KMT subordinates that did so. Chiang kai-Shek even served in the Japanese Army from 1909 to 1911. He purged communists from KMT and their removal of Communists from within the ranks allowed him free reign to give himself what amounted to dictatorial power over much of China. When the Japanese invaded Manchuria, Chiang refused to face the Japanese invaders, until two of his subordinates, Generals Zhang Xueliang and Yang Hucheng, had to kidnap him to get him to ally with the communists in a united front against the Japanese. (Xi'an Incident) Additionally, the Communists actually saved his leadership, and it’s often forgotten that without the Communists’ help, Chiang would never have survived as a political force, since was the communists who convinced the officers to release Chiang and allow him to take control of the government once again. Chiang’s efforts against the Japanese gained him some influential friends. And although the Communist General Mao was responsible for much of the damage inflicted upon the Japanese, it was Chiang who got the credit mainly from Britain and the US. When civil war broke out in China, Chiang expected help from the allies, but after a long campaign against both the Japanese and the Germans, the US and Britain were reluctant to get involved in a civil war. His Western ‘friends’ literally abandoned him. He suppressed local culture in Taiwan (White Terror) and was responsible for the imprisonment of 140,000 Taiwanese. These people were taken captive for their alleged opposition to the KMT. At this time, anyone openly criticizing the ruling party was deemed a Communist sympathizer. He held the Taiwan presidency for 25 years. He held the Taiwan under a permanent state of martial law, thus ensuring his power was absolute. In fact, the constitution only allowed for two terms in power, but with martial law as his excuse, Chiang could rule indefinitely. Source: 11 Things You Should Know About Chiang Kai-shek (Culture Trip) Link>theculturetrip.com/asia/taiwan/articles/11-things-know-chiang-kai-shek/
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  25115.  @-JustHuman-  I'm not the one claiming China's death count "is totally a lie, as just in Wuhan the count was higher. As we can see with the crematoriums running 24/7, and the trucks when they came in with the urns for the families." those are your words, and you lack concrete evidence that those bodies being cremated are actual victims of Covid-19. You said you saw videos of the trucks with the urns, but one possible explanation is that the urns are waiting for pickup by the family members/relatives of the deceased, but because Wuhan was under lockdown, so the family members are unable to pick them up at the moment, so the trucks are delivering the urns to the households. Transportation has to be in bulk in order to be cheap, but it doesn't necessarily mean that there was a huge volume of cremation operations. What I'm saying is that just because according to your math, they delivered over 36,000 urns, it could be that some of these urns were around for weeks or months earlier, having accumulated to the point when it becomes more feasible to transport these urns in bulk. ... You said: "How could China have a less death told than countries with less than 10 million people, not just in the epicentre for the virus Wuhan, but in the whole country together ?" Because of strict (but effective) government policies, and responsible people willing to follow instructions passed down to them, rather than constantly protest lockdowns (like what is happening in many Western countries). The protests against lockdowns in the West serve as Covid19 spreading events that make Covid19 more difficult to control in the West. Another possible explanation is that maybe, just maybe, China isn't the original epicenter for Covid19, it was merely the place where Covid19 was detected and made aware to the public, and that it was circulating in the Western countries earlier than they reported. We've seen reports by Italy that Covid19 was possibly circulating in Milan since Sept 2019, before the Dec 2019 outbreak in Wuhan. Source: Coronavirus emerged in Italy earlier than thought, study shows cnbc.com/2020/11/15/coronavirus-emerged-in-italy-earlier-than-thought-study-shows.html ... You said: "No, I mock the CCP." You literally mocked Chinese workers completing our temporary hospitals in record time, and you mock their construction as low quality when you said: "China is know for its quick building, and bad quality that is where we get the Tofu Dreg from."
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  25117.  @-JustHuman-  There's a possibility that coronavirus may not have originated in China, only detected in China. An Italian Doctor suggested that Covid-19 was present in Italy since November 2019. "Strange pneumonia" cases were already reported in Nov 2019, back in Lombardy, the northern part of Italy. This was months before China had an outbreak with the virus starting on Dec. China might just be where the first case of Coronavirus was detected, but it is not the main place wherein the virus originated. This is what a leading doctor in Italy confessed in a report saying that there's a possibility that COVID-19 did not originate in Wuhan, China but somewhere else-- or maybe in Italy itself. As mentioned by one of the country's leading doctors named Giuseppe Remuzzi, the director of the Mario Negri Institute for Pharmacological Research in Milan, he said that there were already few cases in Italy of this unknown virus that has been severe for older people in Nov. up to Dec. Source: First 'Strange Pneumonia' Case Reported in November 2019 in Italy Link>techtimes.com/articles/248263/20200323/coronavirus-possibly-come-china-italy-first-detected-strange-pneumonia-months-wuhan-outbreak.htm ... Corruption is universal phenomena and every country suffers from corruption to a certain degree. But at least under President Xi Jinping, there are ongoing anti-graft campaigns to deal with the mountain of corruption inherent within the communist party. But when is the last time a country like USA had anti-corruption campaign of its own? Hillary Clinton is corrupt politician and Donald Trump promised to jail her during his Presidential campaign, but after he became president, no further action been taken against Clinton for corruption. And you were clearly mocking Chinese workers for bad quality buildings, why pretend that you're only anti-CPC when the truth is that you're anti-China? I mean, you're literally advocating for Chinese people to rise up and overthrow our government, but the CPC's collapse would plunge China into chaos and civil strife, wiping away decades of peace and progress in our country, so why do you wish for such a catastrophic event to happen to China?
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  25118.  @-JustHuman-  Earlier you said: "They could have a country that was much better, just look at Taiwan or Hong Kong (Before the CCP invaded it) and how well they're doing compared to the mainland." Taiwan had been under authoritarian single-party KMT rule for more than half its life. For decades the KMT ruled Taiwan with iron fist and Chiang kai-shek was a dictator who jailed and executed dissidents and political rivals (whether real or perceived) in a period known as White Terror (白色恐怖) and imposed martial law on Taiwan for more than 38 years, which was qualified as "the longest imposition of martial law by a regime anywhere in the world" at that time. Source: Wikipedia: White Terror (Taiwan) But under authoritarian single-party KMT rule, Taiwan actually flourished and prospered, in what's known as the Taiwan Miracle (台湾奇迹). Between 1952 – 1982, Taiwan's economic growth was on average 8.7%, and between 1983 – 1986 at 6.9%. Taiwan GDP grew by 360% between 1965 – 1986. The percentage of global exports was over 2% in 1986, over other recently industrialized countries, and the global industrial production output grew a further 680% between 1965 – 1986. And its all been achieved under KMT leadership. Source: Wikipedia: Taiwan Miracle Only in the late 1990s, when democracy was introduced (because USA threatened to cut off weapons sales to Taiwan) did Taiwan's economic growth became more modest. Taiwan's economy has since stagnated, wages are stagnant, cost of living is rising, unemployment is rising, and Taiwan graduates are seeking employment opportunities outside of the island, in places like mainland China or Singapore. …… As for Hong Kong, Hong Kong was taken from China by Britain and not fully returned. During the 19th century, the British wanted to continue drinking Chinese tea, but China did not want anything the West had to offer, so Britain waged two bloody wars with China and forced Chinese to buy opium from them at gunpoint, which we didn't want because it made us sick and was poisoning our people. During this weak period of Chinese history, Hong Kong was taken from China and made into British colony, to act as a drug distribution hub to spread the addiction throughout rest of China. Even when Britain renounced ownership over its former territories, Hong Kong was not fully returned back to China, and China had to agree to Sino-British declaration just for Britain to handover what belongs to us.
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  25121.  @-JustHuman-  Because mainland China has the world's largest population at 1.4 billion people compared to Taiwan and Hong Kong. So if you divide our world's 2nd largest GDP by our enormous population, then of course you arrive at a GDP per capita lower than in Taiwan or Hong Kong. Take India (world's largest democracy) for example and their GDP per capita is lower than even China's, despite India being a Western brand of democracy. China's Type 99 Main Battle Tank has commanded healthy respect from international observers, as its performance parameters are equal to many top Western designs (like the Russian T-90 and the US M1 Abrams), and the Type 99 also packs a few unique tricks of its own. Source: National Interest: China's Deadly Type 99 Tank vs. Russia's T-90 and America's M-1 Abrams The Chinese government is pouring funds into research and development, and China already has world's 2nd highest R&D spending after the USA: Countries by Research and Development spending 1. United States ($612.714 billion) 2. China ($514.798 billion) 3. India ($231.500 billion) 4. Japan ($172.614 billion) 5. Germany ($131.932 billion) 6. South Korea ($100.055 billion) 7. France ($63.658 billion) 8. United Kingdom ($51.702 billion) ... Source: List of countries by research and development spending wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_research_and_development_spending#List In the West, researchers often have to worry about funding, so they write papers and cite other peoples work to improve their credibility, so that they can expand their academic circles, get approval of grants so that they can publish more papers. It has degenerated into an academic system and many researcher's ideas remain on paper, instead of being turned into actual products. Whereas in China, research funds are available at all tiers of society, from corporate to government sector, and a struggling research can easily get a $40,000 funding approval, thus freeing the researcher to concentrate on his/her research instead of having to worry about funding. The idea-to-product transition time in China is short too, so many researchers can feel a sense of satisfaction, witnessing their ideas being turned to actual products.
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  25122.  @-JustHuman-  "神州 Shenzhou So you admit GDP per capita means Chinese people are poor, than even Taiwan, at least we got that far." I'm saying that mainland China has more people to lift out of poverty than Taiwan, that's all. If Taiwan's political system was able to lift mainland Chinese population out of poverty, then it would be impressive. But the Nationalist KMT couldn't even defeat a bunch of dirt-poor, ill-equipped, heavily outnumbered, starving Communist peasants during the Chinese Civil War, and they lost the mainland and had to flee to Taiwan. Chiang kai-shek even transferred the mainland gold reserves from Shanghai to Taipei, leaving the mainland dirt-poor and in ruins after the war. ... You said: "So Taiwan is a better country to live in as a person than China, as you will be richer by a lot and lead a better life in generel there than in China." Not necessarily, because the cost of living in Taiwan is (generally) higher than in mainland China. In Taiwan, you pay more for food, clothing, rent, transport and other daily expenses, compared to the mainland, and job opportunities are fewer in Taiwan than in the mainland. Taiwan's economy is stagnate, wages are stagnate, cost of living is rising, unemployment is rising, and many Taiwan graduates are seeking job opportunities in the mainland. ... About the People's Liberation Army, the China's Type 99 or ZTZ-99 is 3rd generation battle tank that is ranked among the World's Top 10 Main Battle Tanks, with advanced features including: -a fully stabilised smoothbore gun with autoloader, capable of firing anti-tank sniper missiles, and speculated to be able to penetrate the armour of the US M1 Abrams at close range with tungsten rounds. -Composite armour hull with front portion and turret protected by explosive reactive armour that resist enemy shell penetration. -A multi-layered radar system that detects and denotates incoming enemy missiles before impact. -A laser warning receiver that warns the tank commander that the tank is being painted by hostile lasers. Source: China showcases Type 99 Battle Tank youtu.be/ktniek01Xyw Source: Top 10 Most Powerful Tanks youtu.be/M3n6q_dTjfk?t=385 And its up there with the fastest to boot, equipped with turbo-charged engine providing a maximum road speed of 50 mph (80 kph).
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  25124.  @-JustHuman-  You said: "神州 Shenzhou They could have done that yes, with their system where most of the money don't go into the pockets of the party members." The Nationalist Kuomintang was heavily corrupt, having pocketed some $750,000,000 worth of US military aid given to them, so much such that even then U.S President Harry Truman made a remark about KMT corruption, and wrote that "the Chiangs, the Kungs and the Soongs (were) all thieves" ... Let's take the Japanese soldiers out of the picture then. After the Japanese surrendered at the end of WWII, the Communists had a strength of 1,200,000 (July 1945) whereas the Nationalist KMT had a strength of 2,000,000 (June 1946) so how were the communists not outnumbered? And mind you, this was after the Japanese surrendered in 1945, so there was no more fighting the Japanese, yet the KMT still lost the mainland to dirt-poor, heavily outnumbered, ill-equipped, starving Communists peasants and had to flee to Taiwan? This demonstrates KMT's gross incompetence in their right to rule the mainland, while cementing the communists' right to rule the mainland. .... And what makes you think Chinese culture is destroyed? China has many historical monuments like The Great Wall of China, Forbidden City, Qin Emperor Tomb, Terracotta Army, The Grand Canal (world's oldest and longest artificial river) and many more historical sites. Here's some videos of Chinese historical monuments. Video: The Great Wall of China in 4k - DJI Phantom 4 youtu.be/EotbKqZmBuY?t=20 Video: Forbidden City, Beijing, China in 4K (Ultra HD) youtu.be/R9vcSWb6mug Video: Terracotta Army, Xian, China in 4K (Ultra HD) youtu.be/VhIouznYlvo
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  25125.  @-JustHuman-  Besides our Type-99 ranking in world's Top 10 Main Battle Tanks, China also have advanced artillery, like the PLZ-05 (PLZ-52) self-propelled howitzer that is ranked among the Top 5 Self-propelled Howitzers in the world. Video: Top 10 Self Propelled Howitzers in the world 2017-2020 youtu.be/AQBcIRwg2fg?t=474 The PLZ-05 is capable of firing a full range of Chinese 155 munitions and having maximum range of fire of 30km (with standard projectiles) and 39km (with rocket-assisted projectiles) the PLZ-05 armour protects against small arms fire and artillery shell splinters. Maximum rate of fire is about 8-10 rounds per minute and on board ammunition supply is about 30 rounds. Powered with 8V51-Cooled Turbocharged Diesel, it can produce an output of 800 horsepower with a maximum road speed of 55 kmph and can achieve a maximum cruising range of 550 km. Video: 10 Most Powerful Howitzer in the World (2019) | Most Effective Tracked Artillery Systems youtu.be/V4UpNJi0HeY?t=360 .... About Chinese smartphone companies, apart Huawei, even Xiaomi was started in 2010. Today it's one of the world's most popular smartphones. In India, it's number one. Video: How Xiaomi broke out of China to go global | CNBC Reports youtu.be/291DlKa7iIU Besides smartphones, Chinese companies also dominate the civilian drone industry and Chinese company DJI is world's largest civilian drone-maker according to the following source: Top Consumer Drone Companies 2019 1. DJI (Chinese) 2. Parrot (French) 3. Power Vision (Chinese) 4. 3dr (American) 5. Yuneec (Chinese) 6. EHang (Chinese) 7. Walkera (Chinese) 8. Syma (Chinese) 9. Autel Robotics (American) 10. Blade (French) 11. Hubsan (Chinese) 12. UDIRC (Chinese) ... Source: Top Consumer Drone Companies 2019 top10drone.com/top-drone-companies/ But where are the famous companies from Taiwan compared to the mainland? How can Taiwan possibly hope to compete with the sheer economic power of the mainland?
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  25126.  @-JustHuman-  Why are you talking about corruption in Taiwan and mainland China now as opposed to back during the Chinese Civil War? During the Chinese Civil War, and the KMT was heavily corrupt pocketed some $750,000,000 worth of US military aid given to them, so much such that even then U.S President Harry Truman made a remark about KMT corruption, and wrote that "the Chiangs, the Kungs and the Soongs (were) all thieves" After Roosevelt's death in 1945, the Chiangs found President Truman less sympathetic on a personal level, and unwilling to bankroll the struggle against Mao Tse-tung's Communist forces which the Nationalists now looked unlikely to win. There were suspicions that vast sums of American aid already provided to Chiang's government had been corruptly diverted. Truman himself was caustic on the subject in later years: "They're all thieves," he told an interviewer, "every damn one of them. They stole 750 million out of the [$3.8] billions that we sent to Chiang. They stole it, and it's invested in real estate down in Sao Paulo and some right here in New York." To make matters worse, Chinese interests backed Truman's Republican opponent, Governor Thomas Dewey, in the 1948 presidential election. https://www.telegraph.co.uk/education/3320987/Madame-Chiang-Kai-Shek.html So according to you the communists had 1.2 million troops, backed with additional militia of 2 million, totalling 3.2 million troops, but the Nationalist KMT had 2 million (regular) as well as 2.3 million (militia) (June 1946) totaling 4.3 million troops so clearly the Communists were outnumbered by the Nationalist KMT. Yet despite their initial advantages, the KMT still lost the mainland to a bunch of dirt-poor, ill-equipped starving communist peasants and had to flee to Formosa (Taiwan)? You said: "The CCP continued to make the irresistible promise in the countryside to the massive number of landless and starving peasants that by fighting for the CCP they would be given their own land to grow crops once the victory was won." So the Communists were able to mobilize the poor landless and starving peasants in the countryside, then doesn't this represent strong leadership on the part of the Communists? Why didn't Nationalist KMT woo the poor people in the countryside? Answer: because the KMT were landlords who taxed the peasants and left them starving in the countryside, that's why. You said: "The CCP din't have the know how to use tanks, or how to build them." That's why the communists were mostly dirt-poor peasants who were ill-equipped, while the KMT had US monetary support as well as tanks, yet the KMT still lost to bunch of dirt-poor, starving peasants who were unable to use tanks? This demonstrates the KMT's gross incompetence in their right to rule the mainland while cementing the communist's right to rule the mainland. You said: "Not to mention the KMT had to deal with the loses, the wounded and the prisoners after they defeated the Japanese." The KMT only care about their own losses in the urban areas, what do they care about the dirt-poor, starving peasants in the countryside? In fact, it was left up to the communists to protect the rural countryside while the KMT protected the landlord's selfish interests. You said: "And the evil bastard Mao even knew they couldn't have won over the Chines forces, if the Japanese hadn't wore them down for them, and made the people suffer and lose land." That's effective strategy employed by Chairman Mao, the KMT forces cared nothing for the poor peasants, they only cared about protecting the rich landlords interests (as well as foreign interests). After Chairman Mao proclaimed the founding of the People's Republic of China in 1949, the communists seized the lands from the rich corrupt landlords and redistributed them among the dirt-poor peasants, who finally owned their own land for the first time in centuries. Since peasants made up the majority of China at that time, that means more people in China received land, than the rich corrupt landlords. You said: "And the CCP do destroy the Chinese culture. That is the idea behind The Four Olds." Which of the Four Olds in China were destroyed? Chinese celebrate many historical festivals such as Spring Festival (Chinese New Year), Lantern Festival, Qingming (Grave Sweeping) Festival, Dragonboat Festival, Double Seventh (Chinese Valentine's Day) Festival, Mid-Autumn Festival, and so on. Here's some video of Chinese festivals in China. Video: Dragon Boat Races Celebrate China's Ancient Past | National Geographic youtu.be/YlPExNPyPwQ Video: The Chinese Lantern Festival youtu.be/xrhHvbHLbMc So what makes you think Chinese culture is destroyed? Have you actually been to China and see what life is like here for yourself? The 1000-year old Fu Yun Temple in Shaanxi is simply in the process of renovation. Built originally in the Tang dynasty (618-907). Between 2002 and 2011, it was renovated and expanded to over 2,000 square meters (more than 21,000 square feet) at the cost of more than 20 million RMB (over $ 2.9 million), now it's merely undergoing the next stage of renovation that's all.
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  25129.  @-JustHuman-  Why should we do as Hong Kong? Look at prosperous Shenzhen in the mainland, just across from Hong Kong and Shenzhen’s economic growth surpassed Hong Kong's in 2017. Source: SCMP: Shenzhen surpasses US$338 billion GDP mark in 2017, beats Hong Kong and Singapore’s growth Shenzhen is roughly the same economic size as Singapore and Hong Kong, but recorded nominal output of 2.2 trillion yuan (US$338 billion) in 2017 thanks to its booming hi-tech sector. Over 40% of the output came from “innovative” businesses such as internet, biotech and telecom. And that's despite Shenzhen being under communist party rule, while Hong Kong is suffering under its own democratic government. Then why should mainland China follow Hong Kong when our leadership is actually better? You said: "China will never be a leader in semi conductors" Why not? Maybe not right now, but China is investing heavily into semiconductors. Chinese semiconductor firms have continued to attract high levels of investment so far this year, sealing billions of dollars in financing as Beijing looks to build up its industry to meet demand created by a global shortage and lessen its reliance on foreign products. Some 164 Chinese firms received 40 billion yuan ($6.19 billion) in combined funding during the first five months of 2021, according to a report published last week by U.S.-based law firm Katten and Chinese chip-industry monitor Ijiwei. Source: China's chip investment moves ahead at full throttle https://asia.nikkei.com/Spotlight/Caixin/China-s-chip-investment-moves-ahead-at-full-throttle You said: "We as a world should do our best to fight the dictators of China, before they kill more people or start a war just to save face." China is currently at peace and not at war with any country, since our last major conflict in 1979. Instead of making war, China is building infrastructure like roads, railways, highways, bridges, tunnels, powerstations, dams, ports, airports, etc and investing in developing countries like Sri Lanka, Nepal, Bangladesh, Pakistan, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Tajikistan, and also African countries like Nigeria, Kenya, Chad, Sudan, Ghana, Mozambique, Tanzania, etc. Whereas the United States is warmonger being involved in Gulf War, Iraq War, Afghan War, Libyan War, Syrian War, Yemen War, etc, even in the 21st century. USA is bombing in those Middle Eastern countries and enacting regime change by cutting off their "heads" (Saddam Hussein, Muammar Gaddafi, etc) and then installing their own US puppet governments in place.
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  25130.  @-JustHuman-  You said: "You know you can post all the replies in one post, I know you payed per post, but it's just better to read in one go." YouTube sometimes delete comments that are way too long, so I prefer to divide my posts if possible. And who do I payed per post? Corruption is universal phenomena and every country suffers from corruption to a certain degree, but at least under President Xi Jinping, there are ongoing anti-graft campaigns to deal with the mountain of corruption inherent within the communist party. But how has KMT outgrown its corruption you tell me? According to Wikipedia: Chinese Civil War, the Nationalist Kuomintang had 2 million (regular) and 2.3 million (militia) (June 1946) totalling 4.3 million so how were the KMT outnumbered when the Communists totalled was 3.8 million? You claimed that the KMT was tired, well the Communists survived near-extinction by the KMT, through the use of tactical retreats like the "Long March" (长征) against overwhelming KMT odds of 300,000 vs 69,000 (October 1934). By the end of the march, communist forces been reduced to 7,000 (October 1935) just 10% of it's original strength. The KMT didn't care about the peasantry at all, they only cared about the rich landlords. During the Sino-Japanese war, the KMT protected the urban areas and it was up to the communists to defend the peasants in the countryside (which is a lot more area to cover, despite communists lesser numbers). And like I said earlier, the KMT received lots of US military aid, but instead of spending the money defending China, the KMT choose to pocket some $750,000,000 worth of U.S military aid, so much until President Truman made the remark that "The Chiangs, the Kungs and the Soongs [were] all thieves." What did the KMT do for China by pocketing this 750 million in US military aid? Again it was Chairman Mao Zedong and the communists that seized the lands from the corrupt landlords and redistributed it to the dirt-poor peasants. For the first time, many peasants are no longer shackled by crippling debt due to taxes by the corrupt landlords and now the peasants own land for themselves. What did the Nationalist KMT do for the peasantry? Even during KMT rule during Republic of China period (1912-1949) there were numerous famines across China, such as the 1920–1921 North China Famine, 1928–1930 Northern China Famine, 1936–1937 Sichuan-Gansu Famine, 1942–1943 Henan Famine, and so on. All these famines in China occurred during Republic of China period under Nationalist KMT administration, so what makes you think KMT policies did not result in famine? You said: "like KMT tank crews joining the CCP to avoid getting killed." Explain why would KMT tank crews (with their tanks) be afraid of getting killed by a bunch of dirt-poor communist peasants that don't have tanks of their own? It's clearly due to sheer KMT incompetence and corruption that KMT tank crews began switching sides to the communists who are fighting for the people of China, not the Chiang kai-shek and the KMT who fought for themselves and the rich corrupt landlords. I've already stated above the numerous famines in China under KMT rule during Republic of China, so what makes you think KMT won't have resulted in famines given their history? So which of the Four Olds were destroyed you tell me? Chinese celebrate many historical festivals such as Spring Festival (Chinese New Year), Lantern Festival, Qingming (Grave Sweeping) Festival, Dragonboat Festival, Double Seventh (Chinese Valentines Day) Festival, Mid-autumn Festival, and so on. Here's some video of Chinese festivals in China. Video: Dragon Boat Races Celebrate China's Ancient Past | National Geographic youtu.be/YlPExNPyPwQ Video: Lantern Festival celebrated across China youtu.be/XnXzQ-p-DpY Video: How modern Chinese celebrate the Qingming Festival youtu.be/mFGYrPNXaLg
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  25131.  @-JustHuman-  You said: "It's always easy to look back, what you need is people that can look forward, and the CCP can't do that as we have seen." What makes you think China can't look forward? China has put forth numerous 5-year plans, 10-year plans, 20-year plans, 30-year plans, to map out China's future and direction in the years 2025, 2030, 2040, 2050. By abolishing the president term limits, our leaders can remain in power long enough to see their plans for China bloom and come to fruition in the future. This is the advantage of China's long-term leadership. Whereas in the USA for example, the US presidents have to step down after 4-8 years because of presidential term limits, so US presidents can only make short-term plans for America's future, instead of long term plans spanning, say 10 years or more. This is the disadvantage of US's short-term leadership. Besides Chinese tanks, howitzers and MLRSs, China also has amphibious assault vehicles like the VN-18 that's the world's fastest amphibious assault vehicle, able to attain a sail speed of 30km/h, the fastest of it's kind. The tracks and wheels can lift up into the body to reduce traction. The max ground speed is 65km/h with a cannon, a machinegun and 14 people on board. Its engine can produce 1600 horsepower, a number usually associated with heavy tanks. Video: Chinese firm built 'fastest' amphibious assault vehicle youtu.be/4rzoWPWbai8 Mainland China has also produced numerous successful companies, such as: Huawei, Xiaomi, Oppo, Vivo, ZTE, Lenovo, DJI, Alibaba, Tencent, Bytedance (TikTok), etc. And why is being proud of Tiktok isn't really something either? TikTok was the most downloaded non-gaming app worldwide for June 2021 with more than 65 million installs, so what's wrong with being proud of TikTok? Source: TikTok Holds its Lead as the Most Downloaded App Once Again in June https://www.socialmediatoday.com/news/tiktok-holds-its-lead-as-the-most-downloaded-app-once-again-in-june/603068/ Even in banking, China has produced many of the world's largest banks including China Construction Bank, AgBank, ICBC, Bank of China, Postal Savings Bank of China, Bank of Communications, China Merchants Bank, Industrial Bank (China), China Minsheng Bank, Shanghai Pudong Development Bank, China CITIC Bank, China Everbright Bank, Ping An Bank, Huaxia Bank, Bank of Beijing, China Guangfa Bank, Bank of Shanghai, Bank of Jiangsu, China Zheshang Bank and so on. Source: Wikipedia: List of Largest Banks But where are the famous companies from Taiwan and Hong Kong as compared to the mainland? How can Taiwan and Hong Kong possibly hope to compete with the sheer economic power of the mainland?
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  25251.  @少棠丁  (that's why when you focused on the "opinions of the local government" part of the same study that you've just mentioned the rate actually goes all the way down to 10-20%) People's opinion towards local governments are low, because sometimes the local governments are corrupt and unable to solve the provincial problems. But people's opinion towards central government in Beijing is high, because the central government is able to solve big issues. Over the course of 40 years, China has lifted over 800 million people out of poverty and into middle-income class, that's why as long as the central government can deliver economic results, many people in China will continue supporting it. "神州 Shenzhou I don't see why efficiency and face should be more important than democracy and discussion." Because efficiency gets stuff done, what's the point of Western style democracy in Taiwan, throwing water balloons and pig guts in parliament for what? End of the day, Taiwan is still mired in problems. Taiwan used to be one of Four Asian Tigers but since democracy was introduced to Taiwan, it's economy is in slump, wages are stagnant, cost of living is rising and Taiwan graduates are leaving for jobs in the mainland or Singapore Video: How Taiwan Lost Its Roar And Its Young Talents | Insight | CNA Insider youtu.be/P3BCnPb8qHY?t=110 "From the '90s, Taiwan became a two-party system with more partisan disagreements on policy matters. This produced less effective policy making. Secondly, the ruling officials tend to be more conservative in Taiwan, so they do not enthusiastically push for policies to globalise and liberalise the island." - Ray Chou, Research Fellow, Institute of Economics, Academia Sinica
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  25254.  @少棠丁  You said: "While Taiwan was having the world's biggest economy boom Chinese people suffered from hunger..." Taiwan's economic boom occurred under authoritarian rule of the single-party KMT. Taiwan had been under authoritarian single-party KMT rule for more than half its life. For decades the KMT ruled Taiwan with iron fist and Chiang kai-shek was a dictator who jailed and executed dissidents and political rivals (whether real or perceived) in a period known as White Terror (白色恐怖) and imposed martial law on Taiwan for more than 38 years, which was qualified as "the longest imposition of martial law by a regime anywhere in the world" at that time. Even John Oliver acknowledges it at 6:25 of the video. But under authoritarian single-party KMT rule, Taiwan actually flourished and prospered, in what's known as the Taiwan Miracle (台湾奇迹). Between 1952 – 1982, Taiwan's economic growth was on average 8.7%, and between 1983 – 1986 at 6.9%. Taiwan GDP grew by 360% between 1965 – 1986. The percentage of global exports was over 2% in 1986, over other recently industrialized countries, and the global industrial production output grew a further 680% between 1965 – 1986. And its all been achieved under KMT leadership. Only in the late 1990s, when democracy was introduced (because USA threatened to cut off weapons sales to Taiwan) did Taiwan's economic growth became more modest. Since then, Taiwan's economy has stagnated, wages are stagnant, cost of living is rising, unemployment is rising and Taiwan graduates are increasingly seeking jobs abroad, such as in Singapore or mainland China.
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  25258.  @少棠丁  So let's look at the period after Japan surrendered at the end of WWII. After Japan surrendered in 1945, the communists had a strength of 1.2 million (regular) and 2.6 million (militia) (July 1945), whereas the KMT had a strength of 2 million (regular) and 2.3 million (militia) (June 1946) so the KMT still outnumbered the communists, yet the KMT still lost the mainland to communists and had to flee to Taiwan? Not only that, when the KMT retreated to Taiwan, Chiang kai-shek transfered China's gold reserves from Shanghai to Taipei. In 1948, President of the Kuomintang (KMT) government, Chiang Kai-shek was losing the civil war in north-east China against the Communists. He began planning a retreat to Taiwan and he intended to take the gold reserves with him. Estimates of how much was moved differ between sources, ranging from between 3 million – 5 million taels (113.6 tons – 115.2 tons). In The Archives of Gold published in 2010, Dr Wu Sing-yung, outlines how his father (head of finance for the KMT government) helped to mastermind the operation that saw over 4 million taels of gold be moved from Shanghai to Taiwan. One tael is 37.2 grams. That's why mainland China was left devastated and in ruins after civil strife and invasion, whereas Taiwan had an injection of gold to kickstart their industrialisation. You said: "Just a reminder we were having the world's biggest economic boom when millions in the mainland are starving..." Again, Taiwan's economic boom occurred under the authoritarian single-party KMT. For decades the KMT ruled Taiwan with iron fist and Chiang kai-shek was a dictator who jailed and executed dissidents and political rivals (whether real or perceived) in a period known as White Terror (白色恐怖) and imposed martial law on Taiwan for more than 38 years, which was qualified as "the longest imposition of martial law by a regime anywhere in the world" at that time. But under authoritarian single-party KMT rule, Taiwan actually flourished and prospered. Only in the late 1990s, when democracy was introduced (because USA threatened to cut off weapons sales to Taiwan) did Taiwan's economic growth became more modest. Since then, Taiwan's economy has stagnated, wages are stagnant, cost of living is rising, unemployment is rising and Taiwan graduates are increasingly seeking jobs abroad, such as in Singapore or mainland China.
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  25259.  @少棠丁  "神州 Shenzhou you do realise that all the gold we took were all originally from the KMT government when they published the official currency by that time by ourselves right?" Firstly, I'm just explaining how the KMT transfered China's gold reserves from Shanghai to Taipei, that's why Taiwan had an injection of capital to kick-start their industrialisation, whereas mainland China was left dirt-poor and ravaged by war, invasion and civil strife, whereas Taipei was relatively unscathed and was even partially industrialised by the Japanese during their occupation of Taiwan. Furthermore, those that fled to Taiwan were the rich landlords and those who remained in the mainland were mostly peasants so that explains the difference in wealth between Taiwan and the mainland. Secondly, Taiwan's economic boom occurred under the authoritarian single-party KMT. For decades the KMT ruled Taiwan with iron fist and Chiang kai-shek was a dictator who jailed and executed dissidents and political rivals (whether real or perceived) in a period known as White Terror (白色恐怖) and imposed martial law on Taiwan for more than 38 years, which was qualified as "the longest imposition of martial law by a regime anywhere in the world" at that time. So why do you look down on the mainland authoritarianism when Taiwan was at it's most prosperous while under authoritarian single-party KMT rule? That was the time they had that economic boom like you said. "so yeah at least we didn't win by doing others dirty lol" The KMT used dirty tactics like destroying a dike and artificially creating a flood in Yellow River in 1938. The 1938 Yellow River flood (花園口決隄事件) was a flood created by the Nationalist Government in central China during the early stage of the Second Sino-Japanese War in an attempt to halt the rapid advance of Japanese forces. It has been called the "largest act of environmental warfare in history" and an example of scorched earth military strategy. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1938_Yellow_River_flood According to a postwar report, floods inundated 32 percent of land and 45 percent of villages in 20 affected countries. The worst thing was that Japanese troops were out of its range, and while their advance on Zhengzhou was halted, but they took Wuhan in October by attacking from a different direction. The KMT created flood was unnecessary and killed more Chinese than Japanese.
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  25266.  @少棠丁  "神州 Shenzhou oh im speaking about the video game policy" That only applies to children below 18 years of age. Adults are unaffected, because this policy is aim at curbing video game addiction among youths. Many countries have imposed age limits on addictive substances/activities like smoking, drinking, gambling, on kids below 18-21 years (varies according to region). Video games have been known to be addictive, so China is merely adding video games to the list of addictive activities. "And about the economic part im just saying but most of us prefer being free instead of wealth (just look at 馬雲for an example)" What makes you think Jack Ma isn't free? Wasn't Jack Ma recently spotted on a cruise ship in Balearic waters off the coast of Spain or something? Also, Jack Ma is good when he does things that benefit humanity, such as when he uploaded Covid19 "handbook" and made it available for download on the web. However, Jack Ma had gone too far when he planned to make an unprecedented Ant Financial IPO deal that would have brought in more cash than did Saudi Aramco did, then clearly that's going a step too far in putting him and his own company's interest over those of the people. So why are you using Jack Ma as an example of preferring being free instead of wealth? Jack Ma was certainly being greedy with his Ant Financial IPO deal wasn't it? "as i previously mentioned all countries tend to have a slowed down economy after the average life quality was raised." But do you acknowledge the fact that Taiwan's previous economic boom occurred under the authoritarian single-party rule of the KMT? You repeatedly boasted that Taiwan had the "world's largest economic boom" yet clearly that occurred during the martial law period of Taiwan under Chiang kai-shek. Today, Taiwan is actually suffering under democracy, it's economy is stagnant, wages are stagnant, unemployment is rising, cost of living is rising, and many Taiwan graduates are leaving the island to seek job opportunities elsewhere, like in the mainland or Singapore for example.
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  25267.  @少棠丁  "PPP was calculated by dividing the total earned money of the country with the amount of people in the country which of course makes it the representative of a country's average income." So mainland China having a huge population makes the value lower, since you have to divide the total earned money by our enormous population, then of course the value becomes lower than the population of Taiwan island. Because we have a larger population in the mainland so of course after dividing by the enormous population, our average income is 5 times less than Taiwan, but that's a product of our population. "As a country with bigger population you also gets a higher GDP but dividing it with the citizens count in China makes up with it." Look at India for comparion, they are the world's 2nd most populous country (and the world's largest democracy) and yet their GDP per capita is far lower than China's GDP per capita, despite India having adopted a Western brand of democracy. Then is this any incentive for China to abandon our current political system and adopt a Western-style democracy? "Considering that China has lesser percentages of older and younger person and huge mines it's obviously enough how many potientials you guys has wasted over the past few decades." Minds are only as good once they've been allowed to reach their full potential through education. In the past, it's because China was devastated after WWII and civil strife, and Chiang transferred China's gold reserves from Shanghai to Taipei, leaving the mainland poor. But under Chairman Mao, illiteracy rates have plummeted. Communist Party chairman Mao Zedong proclaimed the establishment of the People’s Republic of China on October 1, 1949, after the Chinese Civil War. Subsequently, the illiteracy rate of China, which stood at roughly 85-90% when it was first calculated at the turn of the 20th century, began to decrease significantly from the 1950s onward. By 1959, illiteracy rates among youth and adults (ages twelve to 40) had fallen from 80% to 43%, and they have been steadily decreasing since. China is now expected to reach near-universal youth literacy in 2015. China’s literacy success has been described as “perhaps the single greatest educational effort in human history” (Peterson, 1997).
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  25276.  @briandoyle6534  If you claim Taiwan is thr original China then why'd the Republic of China 🇹🇼 (1912-1949) lost the mainland to the People's Republic of China 🇨🇳 and had to flee to Taiwan island? During the Chinese Civil War, the Nationalist Kuomintang had massive wealth (they taxed peasants heavily) they had superior weapons and superior numbers over the communists. Yet despite all these initial advantages, the KMT still lost the mainland to a bunch of dirt-poor, ill-equipped, starving Communist peasants and had to flee to Taiwan island? If anything, this demonstrates KMT's gross incompetence in their right to rule the mainland, while cementing the communists right to rule China. As for the Covid-19 origins, China happened to be the country that notified the World Health Organization of a mysterious pneumonia like illness on 31st Dec 2019. By 5th Jan 2020 China had identified and isolated the coronavirus strain in record time and by 12th Jan 2020 China had sequenced Covid-19 genome in record time and shared the information with WHO. China actually bought the West valuable time to prepare for the eventual arrival of Covid-19 onto their shores, but most Western countries just squandered the headstart that China bought them. Even the WHO investigation team arrived in Wuhan on January 2021 and they visited Wuhan Huanan Seafood Market and the Wuhan Institute of Virology. Their findings indicate that the coronavirus entered Wuhan market from outside, and they all but dismissed the possibility of a lab leak as highly unlikely.
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  25289.  @Legacy241  I have refuted all your so-called facts, look I even cited numerous sources to support my arguments, whereas you have given nothing to support yours. Thus far, you failed to mention a single positive thing about China, so why pretend that you're not anti-China when you clearly are? Not once did you ever said anything remotely positive about China. Look at the bigger picture? It's clear that anti-China sentiment is growing in Western countries, because Western anti-China propaganda constantly "demonise" our country and paint China as the enemy, so don't be surprised if Chinese start treating Westerners like one. About peace, China is currently at peace and not at war with any country, since our last major conflict in 1979. Instead of making war, China is building infrastructure like roads, railways, highways, bridges, tunnels, powerstations, dams, ports, airports, etc and investing in developing countries like Sri Lanka, Nepal, Bangladesh, Pakistan, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Tajikistan, and also African countries like Nigeria, Kenya, Chad, Sudan, Ghana, Mozambique, Tanzania, etc. Whereas the United States is warmonger being involved in Gulf War, Iraq War, Afghan War, Libyan War, Syrian War, Yemen War, etc, even in the 21st century. USA is bombing in those Middle Eastern countries and enacting regime change by cutting off their "heads" (Saddam Hussein, Muammar Gaddafi, etc) and then installing their own US puppet governments in place. Video: U.S. should focus more on infrastructure rather than warmongering youtu.be/LyhK2PQyE_w
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  25301.  @Legacy241  "神州 Shenzhou Your definition of both are a bit misleading. There is more to it than what you explained." Why don't you point out which part of my definition is misleading then? Of course there's always more to explain, but where I go into deep detail over IP rights (I brought up Facebook, Amazon, Google and Apple testifying in Congress) you just skim over China's problems without going into detail. Here's Dr Richard Wolff explaining how alleged IP theft in China is actually just technology transfers. Source: Wolff Responds: China's Intellectual Property Theft youtu.be/n_klwY2RJDc It's the capitalistic economy of China that's containing the ills of capitalism, while the Communist government is what keeps the capitalists from obtaining too much power. In China, the communist government controls the state-owned corporations for China's benefits, whereas in USA the US corporations control the U.S government for profit, such as the military industrial complex waging wars in Middle East to control the oil prices. So why do you still think China isn't peaceful,when USA is clearly the warmonger? About the free market system, it can be likened to a wild, untamed river, flowing to and fro according to market forces. Would you let the river flow uncontrollably, causing damage to your markets? Because that's what's happening in America's free market, they open the floodgates and allow Chinese goods to flood their markets and big USA corporations are setting up shop in low labour countries like China and Vietnam, leaving American workers high and dry. Because that's what happens in a free market. Whereas China's approach is to "tame to river" and maximise the benefits to China. Our fledgling Chinese companies would surely perish if exposed directly to global competition, so the government shields them by providing home advantage to Chinese companies to give them the edge over the foreign competition in China. Once our local Chinese companies have gained experience, they can slowly start expanding outside of China. Huawei and Tik Tok are some examples of Chinese companies that have successfully expanded beyond China's market. This demonstrates that China's political and economic system is successful for our country, so is there really a need to suddenly abandon our political system and adopt Western liberal democracy? Why should China fix something that clearly works for China? Because you foreigners can't stand to see China succeed under communist party rule?
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  25393.  @DrukpaGamer-kx4gr  You said: "You said "Why would China want to annex Sri Lanka?" Are you serious? 😆 Do you think you are only one who knows "geopolitics"? and please keep that "Western" blame game away" Let's get this straight, it's only one port in Hambantota that was leased to Chinese companies to develop for 99 years, not the entire country of Sri Lanka. Yet you're making it out as if China want the entire country. For what? You said "dominance over Indian ocean, power expansion" well China doesn't have to annex the entire country of Sri Lanka to do that. China can achieve those goals simply by developing Sri Lanka ports, what's the point of annexing Sri Lanka? What's China going to do with the people of Sri Lanka after annexation? Teach those people to be Chinese when Sri Lanka was never historically part of China? Also it means China would have to take care of another 22 million people in Sri Lanka as well as raise their living standards, so how does it make sense for China to annex Sri Lanka? All those dominance over Indian Ocean can be achieved just by developing Sri Lanka's port, why annex the whole country? You said: "All I would say, CCP got lots of patience and far sighted dream." Firstly, it's called the CPC, not the CCP. Because the name of the party in Chinese is Zhōngguó Gòngchǎndǎng (中国共产党) in which Zhōngguó 中国 means China (i.e The Middle Kingdom) so the proper name is the CPC, not CCP. Secondly, of course the CPC has lots of patience and foresight, unlike you who only sees the absolute worst of China. Meanwhile, India annexed Sikkim and you turn a blind eye to it, and even now, India is eyeing Pakistan's territory of Kashmir, yet you're making China out to be the expansionist.
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  25394.  @DrukpaGamer-kx4gr  You said: "You said "Why would China want to annex Sri Lanka?" Are you serious? 😆 Do you think you are only one who knows "geopolitics"? and please keep that "Western" blame game away" Let's get this straight, it's only one port in Hambantota that was leased to Chinese companies to develop for 99 years, not the entire country of Sri Lanka. Yet you're making it out as if China want the entire country. For what? You said "dominance over Indian ocean, power expansion" well China doesn't have to annex the entire country of Sri Lanka to do that. China can achieve those goals simply by developing Sri Lanka ports, what's the point of annexing Sri Lanka? What's China going to do with the people of Sri Lanka after annexation? Teach those people to be Chinese when Sri Lanka was never historically part of China? Also it means China would have to take care of another 22 million people in Sri Lanka as well as raise their living standards, so how does it make sense for China to annex Sri Lanka? All those dominance over Indian Ocean can be achieved just by developing Sri Lanka's port, why annex the whole country? You said: "All I would say, CCP got lots of patience and far sighted dream." Of course the CPC has lots of patience and foresight, unlike you who only sees the absolute worst of China. Meanwhile, India annexed Sikkim and you turn a blind eye to it, and even now, India is eyeing Pakistan's territory of Kashmir, yet you're making China out to be the expansionist.
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  25399.  @kelzangyoeser5133  China will only withdraw from the security council if the other P5 nations agree to a withdrawal as well. Otherwise, China is an important member of the P5, because its a non-Western nation, unlike USA, UK and French. China together with Russia represent a different voice of the P5, otherwise the West would have gotten their way all the time in the UNSC. As for China's border dispute with Bhutan, like I told the other guy, China has settled border disputes with 12 out of 14 land neighbors (the most number of land neighbors in the world, tied with Russia). Here's the list again: -In 1915, Tajikistan and China signed border treaty -In 1960, Myanmar and China signed border treaty -In 1962, Mongolia and China signed border treaty. -In 1963, Pakistan and China signed border treaty. -In 1963, Nepal and China signed border treaty. -In 1963, Afghanistan and China signed border treaty. -In 1964, North Korea and China signed border treaty. -In 1991, Soviet Union and China signed border treaty. -In 1992, Laos and China signed border treaty. -In 1994, Kazakhstan and China signed border treaty. -In 1996, Kyrgyzstan and China signed border treaty. -In 1999, Vietnam and China signed border treaty. Only India and Bhutan have yet to settle the borders with China. China has had 25 rounds of border talks with Bhutan, and all 25 talks failed to resolve the border issue. Same goes for India, China has had 30 rounds of border talks with India, all failed to resolve the border dispute.
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  25420.  @DrukpaGamer-kx4gr  You said: "and keep EYE on your great competitor "INDIA". " China's greatest competitor is the United States of America, NOT India. The current geopolitical climate of the world clearly reflects this, why would China be concerned about India as a competitor? You said: "China can achieve those goals simply by developing Sri Lanka ports, ..." clearly shows what was the intention of taking over "Hambantota port"." I clearly wrote developing Sri Lanka ports, and it seems you twisted my words to mean taking over Hambantota port, which is not the same. Once the lease expires, the port will be returned to Sri Lanka and the debt considered repaid. Also, the goal is trade dominance over the India Ocean, and even now, Chinese trade dominates the Indian Ocean You said: ".. you would fulfill the "FREE Labour" like you have been doing with "Tibetan" people and some Muslim people" Explain which Tibetan people and Muslim people are being used for free labor in China. In Tibet, the average monthly before tax salary for a full-time Tibetan worker was 9,733 CNY or 1,360 USD or 1,260 EUR or 1,080 GBP, how's that free labor? Tibetan workers work in a wide variety of occupations 1. Agriculture and Herding: Many Tibetans engage in traditional livelihoods such as farming, animal husbandry, and yak herding. They may earn income from the sale of agricultural products, meat, and dairy. 2. Tourism: Tourism is a significant industry in Tibet, and many people work in jobs related to the tourism sector, including as tour guides, hotel staff, and transportation providers. They earn salaries from these positions. 3. Government Employment: Some Tibetans work in various government positions, including administrative roles, education, and healthcare, and receive government salaries. 4. Business and Trade: Like in other regions, individuals may run their own businesses or engage in trade activities, earning income from these ventures. 5. Non-Governmental Organizations (NGOs): Some people in Tibet may work for NGOs or international organizations operating in the region, earning salaries for their work. 6. Education and Research: There are educational institutions and research centers in Tibet, and individuals involved in teaching or research can earn salaries. I mean, have you even been to Tibet and seen what life is like here for yourself? ... You said: "Yes there will be plenty of people around but not the normal people, there will be a people who's brain will be filled with CCP propaganda as I said," It's people like you today who's brain is filled with anti-China propaganda. Every word coming out of you demonizes China to the point of inhumanity, even though Chinese people can be found all over the world, as Chinese tourists, Chinese international students, and so on. Yet it appears you are determined to believe the absolute worst of China that's all.
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  25421.  @DrukpaGamer-kx4gr  You said: "and keep EYE on your great competitor "INDIA". " China's greatest competitor is the United States of America, NOT India. The current geopolitical climate of the world clearly reflects this, why would China be concerned about India as a competitor? You said: "China can achieve those goals simply by developing Sri Lanka ports, ..." clearly shows what was the intention of taking over "Hambantota port"." I clearly wrote developing Sri Lanka ports, and it seems you twisted my words to mean taking over Hambantota port, which is not the same. Once the lease expires, the port will be returned to Sri Lanka and the debt considered repaid. Also, the goal is trade dominance over the India Ocean, and even now, Chinese trade dominates the Indian Ocean You said: ".. you would fulfill the "FREE Labour" like you have been doing with "Tibetan" people and some Muslim people" Explain which Tibetan people and Muslim people are being used for free labor in China. In Tibet, the average monthly before tax salary for a full-time Tibetan worker was 9,733 CNY or 1,360 USD or 1,260 EUR or 1,080 GBP, how's that free labor? I mean, have you even been to Tibet and seen what life is like here for yourself? ... You said: "Yes there will be plenty of people around but not the normal people, there will be a people who's brain will be filled with CCP propaganda as I said," It's people like you today who's brain is filled with all things anti-China. Every word coming out of you demonizes China to the point of inhumanity, even though Chinese people can be found all over the world, as Chinese tourists, Chinese international students, and so on. Yet it appears you are determined to believe the absolute worst of China that's all.
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  25422.  @DrukpaGamer-kx4gr  You said: "and keep EYE on your great competitor "INDIA". " China's greatest competitor is the United States of America, NOT India. The current geopolitical climate of the world clearly reflects this, why would China be concerned about India as a competitor? You said: "China can achieve those goals simply by developing Sri Lanka ports, ..." clearly shows what was the intention of taking over "Hambantota port"." I clearly wrote developing Sri Lanka ports, and it seems you twisted my words to mean taking over Hambantota port, which is not the same. Once the lease expires, the port will be returned to Sri Lanka and the debt considered repaid. Also, the goal is trade dominance over the India Ocean, and even now, Chinese trade dominates the Indian Ocean You said: ".. you would fulfill the "FREE Labour" like you have been doing with "Tibetan" people and some Muslim people" Explain which Tibetan people and Muslim people are being used for free labor in China. In Tibet, the average monthly before tax salary for a full-time Tibetan worker was 9,733 CNY or 1,360 USD or 1,260 EUR or 1,080 GBP, how's that free labor? I mean, have you even been to Tibet and seen what life is like here for yourself? ... You said: "Yes there will be plenty of people around but not the normal people, there will be a people who's brain will be filled with CCP propaganda as I said," After 99 years, Sri Lanka's Hambantota port would be far more developed than it is today, then how's it a bad thing for the people of Sri Lanka? Furthermore after 99 years the lease would have expired and the port returned back to Sri Lanka, so it benefits Sri Lanka in the long term. That's the visionary plan shared by China and Sri Lanka, not the short-sightedness that's you've displayed so far.
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  25426.  makethman574  You said: "Your ignorance to the fact that Sikkim power transfer was clean and wanted by the people" Sikkim isn't the only state that's annexed by India. India also annexed Goa, Manipur, Nagaland, Tripura, Jammu & Kashmir and so many other smaller states. There are ongoing separatist movements in these regions, such as Goa Liberation Movement, Manipur Insurgency, Nagaland Insurgency, National Liberation Front of Tripura, J&K, You said: "whereas the hundreds and thousands of people that died and fled Tibet because of the CCP is enough for me to know your stance. Tibet was a brotherly nation and was forcibly conquered by China" Tibet was historically part of China since 800 years ago when the Mongols conquered both the Kingdom of Tibet and Song Dynasty China and incorporated them both into Yuan Dynasty. Centuries later, Manchu conquerors did the same and made Tibet part of Qing Dynasty. Tibet briefly broke free of China in 1912 (during Chinese Civil War) but was eventually reunified with the mainland by 1951. The Tibetans themselves signed the Seventeen Point Agreement acknowledging Chinese rule over Tibet and countries all over the world recognize Tibet as part of China However, previously, Tibet under the Dalai Lama was an oppressed region where 95% of the populace were slaves, and the remaining 5% were their owners. Life is harsh on the Tibetan plateau. Poverty and starvation were commonplace and the theft of food was punished by amputation. Whereas under the Chinese government, Tibet became more developed with the building of roads, railways, streetlamps, running water, gas and electricity, telephone cables etc. Tibetans today have access to all the modern amenities like cars, computers, smartphones, WiFi, online shopping. You can make a purchase online and have it shipped all the way to Lhasa. The world's highest elevation railway connecting Qinghai to Lhasa was built through difficult mountainous terrain, high attitudes and low oxygen environment. Tibetans can now import food from the mainland to feed their population, and the population of Tibet has grown from 1 million in 1951 to 3 million in 2020. In fact, I would say Tibet is arguably the most advanced region in the Himalayas, compared to its neighbors Nepal and Bhutan.
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  25427.  makethman574  "your issues in the Uyghur region + Hong Kong and your claim over Taiwan is enough and well known not only in Bhutan but around the world" Xinjiang was part of China since before Jesus Christ himself was born, and was known in Han Dynasty (220 BC) as Xiyu (西域), meaning "Western Regions" . Older English-language reference works often refer to the area as Chinese Turkestan or Chinese Turkistan, whereas the name "East Turkestan" is a false name coined in the 19th century by Russian Turkologists, who intended the name to replace the common Western term for the region, "Chinese Turkestan", The truth is that Xinjiang was always part of China despite foreign attempts to rename the region. Hong Kong was part of China before it was taken by the British in the aftermath of the Opium Wars. Yet even after the 1997 return of Hong Kong, the British still sought to influence Hong Kong's political system towards democracy (even though Hong Kong never enjoyed democracy for 150 years prior as a British colony) Yet China was flexible enough to allow 1 Country, 2 Systems to allow Hong Kong to keep their system and for mainland China to keep ours. In most other cases, the returned territory adopts the political system of the motherland, whereas China made an exception and allowed Hong Kong to keep their separate government, their elections, their own currency, even their own HK passport. This is almost unheard of in today's society. As for Taiwan, during the Chinese Civil War, the Nationalist Kuomintang lost the mainland to the CPC and fled to Taiwan island in which they claim to be the real China, i.e the Republic of China. Since Taiwan can claim all of mainland China, then can't mainland China do the same to the island?
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  25428.  makethman574  You said: "I do not know how you can compare China's freewill to Bhutan with Chinas reputation around the world for oppressing its people" What makes you think Chinese people are oppressed? Chinese people are free to travel overseas for work, study or play. Everyone has heard of Chinese tourists, visiting your lands and spending coin on tourism. Or Chinese international students in your schools and universities, studying the same topics as their local peers. Haven't you talked to a Chinese person in your vicinity? In comparison, how many people have ever heard of Bhutanese? You said: "Also Bhutan has multiple Embassies Thailand , Kuwait , Bangladesh etc in Bhutan as do our links around the world." Bhutan has 6 embassies and 3 consulates whereas China hosts 176 embassies. Chinese people can be found all over the world, as tourists, international students, workers, etc, since Chinese people literally make up 20% of the world's entire population. You said: "? "HOW IRONIC" that YouTube is banned in China to make sure the Chinese do not spew their words on the internet." Who said YouTube is banned in China? Nobody will arrest you just for login into YT while in China, which person has been arrested just for doing so? Chinese vlogger Li Ziqi broke the Guinness World Record in 2021 for "The most subscribers for a Chinese language channel on YouTube." As of January 2024, she had over 18 million subscribers, yet you're saying YT is banned in China? As for the Internet, China literally has the highest number of Internet users in the world so what makes you think Chinese aren't talking on the Internet?
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  25430.  @DrukpaGamer-kx4gr  Lol, you yourself wrote the word "visionary," don't tell me you forgotten what word you used? And the word "expansionist" can be used to describe India annexing Sikkim, Goa, Manipur, Nagaland, Tripura, Jammu & Kashmir (but you refuse to even comment on India annexing those states). As for Tibet, it was historically part of China since 800 years ago when the Mongols conquered both the Kingdom of Tibet and Song Dynasty China and incorporated them both into Yuan Dynasty. Centuries later, Manchu conquerors did the same and made Tibet part of Qing Dynasty. Tibet briefly broke free of China in 1912 (during Chinese Civil War) but was eventually reunified with the mainland by 1951. The Tibetans themselves signed the Seventeen Point Agreement acknowledging Chinese rule over Tibet and countries all over the world recognize Tibet as part of China However, previously, Tibet under the Dalai Lama was an oppressed region where 95% of the populace were slaves, and the remaining 5% were their owners. Life is harsh on the Tibetan plateau. Poverty and starvation were commonplace and the theft of food was punished by amputation. Whereas under the Chinese government, Tibet became more developed with the building of roads, railways, streetlamps, running water, gas and electricity, telephone cables etc. Tibetans today have access to all the modern amenities like cars, computers, smartphones, WiFi, online shopping. You can make a purchase online and have it shipped all the way to Lhasa. The world's highest elevation railway connecting Qinghai to Lhasa was built through difficult mountainous terrain, high attitudes and low oxygen environment. Tibetans can now import food from the mainland to feed their population, and the population of Tibet has grown from 1 million in 1951 to 3 million in 2020. In fact, I would say Tibet is arguably the most advanced region in the Himalayas, compared to its neighbors Nepal and Bhutan. You said: "Wish people of current generation could live beyond 90 years so that we can witness the CCP's development." Yes, they will witness how Sri Lanka transformed from a previously impoverished country into an economic trade hub. As China rises, so will the rest of Asia, and Sri Lanka occupies a strategic position in the Indian Ocean as a trade hub. As Hambantota develops, it'll become an important port for Chinese goods to access wider markets, and as trade flows, Sri Lanka's economy will prosper. Sadly, even though you used the word "visionary" to describe China's plans, it appears that you lack this quality you've described.
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  25432.  @DrukpaGamer-kx4gr  You said: "The people of Tibet in exile talks a lot and for your kind information," The Tibetans in Exile are not the actual people living in Tibet, how can you base Tibetan life off their words? Like I mentioned earlier, previously, Tibet under the Dalai Lama was an oppressed region where 95% of the populace were slaves, and the remaining 5% were their owners. Those Tibetan in Exile belong to the previous category, the 5% who were the owners of the 95%. Have you talked to a Tibetan living in Tibet on how much their lives have improved since the 14th Dalai Lama fled Tibet? And speaking of the 14th Dalai Lama, the matter of fact is that he was a traitor to his people, and that he accepted American money to carry out separatist activities in Tibet. We know this from declassified CIA files on the Tibetan Program, and the documents revealed that a total of 1,735,000 USD (equivalent to $17,044,700 in 2023) was devoted to the Tibetan program for 1964. This is actual proof of foreign interference in China's internal affairs in Tibet, so what makes you think the words of those in exile are trustworthy? They have literally been bought off. You said: "1. For China "developing" means "taking over in strategic way"." More of your word twisting. If Hambantota port was taken over, then why is it leased for 99 years, after which the port will be returned to Sri Lanka once the lease expires? It appears you're just making baseless claims against China that's all. You said: "this is what you all been saying thinking that you all are so SMART to hide things from the world and act as if nothing has happened." Show me the proof then. All you've done is make baseless conjecture about China that's all. No actual proof of your claims. You said: "Just like "COVID 19" where CCP tried to hide but at last it came out like a wild and surprise for the world," What wild surprise for the world are you talking about? China had informed the World Health Organization of a new strain of a pneumonia like illness on 31st Dec 2019 (hence the name COVID-19 after the year it was discovered), how was it a surprise for the world? China took immediate action, such as locked down cities like Wuhan (a city of 13 million) during Chinese New Year (the busiest period in China) and cancelled all international flights coming out of Wuhan to the rest of the world. Yet what did the rest of the world do? They had ample warning from China, and instead of mirroring China's actions, they did nothing. How's that a wild surprise?
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  25433.  @DrukpaGamer-kx4gr  You said: "The people of Tibet in exile talks a lot and for your kind information," The Tibetans in Exile are not the actual people living in Tibet, how can you base Tibetan life off their words? Like I mentioned earlier, previously, Tibet under the Dalai Lama was an oppressed region where 95% of the populace were slaves, and the remaining 5% were their owners. Those Tibetan in Exile belong to the previous category, the 5% who were the owners of the 95%. Have you talked to a Tibetan living in Tibet on how much their lives have improved since the 14th Dalai Lama fled Tibet? And speaking of the 14th Dalai Lama, the matter of fact is that he was a traitor to his people, and that he accepted American money to carry out separatist activities in Tibet. We know this from declassified CIA files on the Tibetan Program, and the documents revealed that a total of 1,735,000 USD (equivalent to $17,044,700 in 2023) was devoted to the Tibetan program for 1964. You said: "1. For China "developing" means "taking over in strategic way"." More of your word twisting. If Hambantota port was taken over, then why is it leased for 99 years, after which the port will be returned to Sri Lanka once the lease expires? It appears you're just making baseless claims against China that's all. You said: "this is what you all been saying thinking that you all are so SMART to hide things from the world and act as if nothing has happened." Show me the proof then. All you've done is make baseless conjecture about China that's all. No actual proof of your claims. You said: "Just like "COVID 19" where CCP tried to hide but at last it came out like a wild and surprise for the world," What wild surprise for the world are you talking about? China had informed the World Health Organization of a new strain of a pneumonia like illness on 31st Dec 2019 (hence the name COVID-19 after the year it was discovered), how was it a surprise for the world? China took immediate action, such as locked down cities like Wuhan (a city of 13 million) during Chinese New Year (the busiest period in China) and cancelled all international flights coming out of Wuhan to the rest of the world. Yet what did the rest of the world do? They had ample warning from China, and instead of mirroring China's actions, they did nothing. How's that a wild surprise?
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  25434.  @DrukpaGamer-kx4gr  You said: "The people of Tibet in exile talks a lot and for your kind information," The Tibetans in Exile are not the actual people living in Tibet, how can you base Tibetan life off their words? Like I mentioned earlier, previously, Tibet under the Dalai Lama was an oppressed region where 95% of the populace were slaves, and the remaining 5% were their owners. Those Tibetan in Exile belong to the previous category, the 5% who were the owners of the 95%. Have you talked to a Tibetan living in Tibet on how much their lives have improved since the 14th Dalai Lama fled Tibet? And speaking of the 14th Dalai Lama, the matter of fact is that he was a traitor to his people, and that he accepted American CIA money to carry out separatist activities in Tibet. We know this from declassified CIA files on the Tibetan Program, and the documents revealed that he received $180,000 a year from the American CIA, so how can you trust the words of those in exile? You said: "1. For China "developing" means "taking over in strategic way"." More of your word twisting. If Hambantota port was taken over, then why is it leased for 99 years, after which the port will be returned to Sri Lanka once the lease expires? It appears you're just making baseless claims against China that's all. You said: "this is what you all been saying thinking that you all are so SMART to hide things from the world and act as if nothing has happened." Show me the proof then. All you've done is make baseless conjecture about China that's all. No actual proof of your claims. You said: "Just like "COVID 19" where CCP tried to hide but at last it came out like a wild and surprise for the world," What wild surprise for the world are you talking about? China had informed the World Health Organization of a new strain of a pneumonia like illness on 31st Dec 2019 (hence the name COVID-19 after the year it was discovered), how was it a surprise for the world? China took immediate action, such as locked down cities like Wuhan (a city of 13 million) during Chinese New Year (the busiest period in China) and cancelled all international flights coming out of Wuhan to the rest of the world. Yet what did the rest of the world do? They had ample warning from China, and instead of mirroring China's actions, they did nothing. How's that a wild surprise?
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  25435.  @DrukpaGamer-kx4gr  You said: "The people of Tibet in exile talks a lot and for your kind information," The Tibetans in Exile are not the actual people living in Tibet, how can you base Tibetan life off their words? Like I mentioned earlier, previously, Tibet under the Dalai Lama was an oppressed region where 95% of the populace were slaves, and the remaining 5% were their owners. Those Tibetan in Exile belong to the previous category, the 5% who were the owners of the 95%, what makes you think they were innocent? You said: "1. For China "developing" means "taking over in strategic way"." More of your word twisting. If Hambantota port was taken over, then why is it leased for 99 years, after which the port will be returned to Sri Lanka once the lease expires? It appears you're just making baseless claims against China that's all. You said: "this is what you all been saying thinking that you all are so SMART to hide things from the world and act as if nothing has happened." Show me the proof then. All you've done is make baseless conjecture about China that's all. No actual proof of your claims. You said: "Just like "COVID 19" where CCP tried to hide but at last it came out like a wild and surprise for the world," What wild surprise for the world are you talking about? China had informed the World Health Organization of a new strain of a pneumonia like illness on 31st Dec 2019 (hence the name COVID-19 after the year it was discovered), how was it a surprise for the world? China took immediate action, such as locked down cities like Wuhan (a city of 13 million) during Chinese New Year (the busiest period in China) and cancelled all international flights coming out of Wuhan to the rest of the world. Yet what did the rest of the world do? They had ample warning from China, and instead of mirroring China's actions, they did nothing. How's that a wild surprise?
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  25436.  @DrukpaGamer-kx4gr  You said: "1. For China "developing" means "taking over in strategic way"." More of your word twisting. If Hambantota port was taken over, then why is it leased for 99 years, after which the port will be returned to Sri Lanka once the lease expires? It appears you're just making baseless claims against China that's all. You said: "The people of Tibet in exile talks a lot and for your kind information," The Tibetans in Exile are not the actual people living in Tibet, how can you base Tibetan life off their words? Like I mentioned earlier, previously, Tibet under the Dalai Lama was an oppressed region where 95% of the populace were slaves, and the remaining 5% were their owners. Those Tibetan in Exile belong to the previous category, the 5% who were the owners of the 95%, what makes you think they were innocent? You said: "this is what you all been saying thinking that you all are so SMART to hide things from the world and act as if nothing has happened." Show me the proof then. All you've done is make baseless conjecture about China that's all. No actual proof of your claims. You said: "Just like "COVID 19" where CCP tried to hide but at last it came out like a wild and surprise for the world," What wild surprise for the world are you talking about? China had informed the World Health Organization of a new strain of a pneumonia like illness on 31st Dec 2019 (hence the name COVID-19 after the year it was discovered), how was it a surprise for the world? China took immediate action, such as locked down cities like Wuhan (a city of 13 million) during Chinese New Year (the busiest period in China) and cancelled all international flights coming out of Wuhan to the rest of the world. Yet what did the rest of the world do? They had ample warning from China, and instead of mirroring China's actions, they did nothing. How's that a wild surprise?
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  25437.  @DrukpaGamer-kx4gr  You said: "The only response I can give for this is "You should be good story book writer blending truth in the story." Show me proof of your claims then! I've already shown you how Tibet transformed from an oppressed region previously under the Dalai Lama, into arguably the most advanced Himalayan region today compared to its neighbors Nepal and Bhutan. The people in Tibet even have access to 5G networks, You said: "Yes we see your dominance over the Indian ocean like showing aggression to Philippines," Aggression to the Philippines? The Philippines coastguard boat (Maritime Control Surveillance 3001) shot to death a 65-year old Chinese fisherman, Hong Shicheng (洪石成). Which Philippine boat did the Chinese coastguard opened gun fire on? Answer: None! You said: "docking spy ships near Sri Lanka in the name of research and so on." Which ship are you talking about? The Yuan Wang 5 is space tracking ship, used to monitor satellite, rocket and intercontinental ballistic missile launches primary from the People's Liberation Army. If anything, it was designed to "spy" on China's own missiles and collect data about the missile trajectory. Also, the Yuan Wang 5 was given permission to dock on the condition it would not carry out research while in Sri Lankan waters. You said: "Now CCP's eye is on "Bangladesh" and using proxy via Myanmar (Burma)" How is Myanmar (Burma is the colonial name) a proxy of China? Myanmar is one of China's neighbors, and if any conflict breaks out in Myanmar (between rebels and the junta) it will be China that's affected.
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  25454.  @DrukpaGamer-kx4gr  You said: "Thank god, you didn't say "Apple (Chinese)" That's why I wrote China's greatest competitor is the United States of America, NOT India. Where are the famous smartphone companies from India that can compete with China? Yet you're claiming India is China's competitor? How? Apart from smartphone companies, China has also produced many successful Internet companies like _Alibaba, JD, Tencent, ByteDance, Meituan, etc. List of Largest Internet Companies 1. Amazon (American) 2. Alphabet (American) 3. JD (Chinese) 4. Meta (American) 5. Alibaba (Chinese) 6. Tencent (Chinese) 7. ByteDance (Chinese) 8. Netflix (American) 9. Meituan (Chinese) 10. Paypal (American) But where are all the famous Internet companies from India that can measure up to Chinese Internet companies? Yet you claim India is China's competitor? How? You said: "Well, when India tries to increase the market or try to compete, the world sees the new conflicts and claims from China like new border aggression." The India-China border dispute has been ongoing and has nothing to do with India's economic development. The border dispute is because India's border was drawn by British cartographer (Henry McMahon) ignoring existing boundaries and also without consulting China. The McMahon Line is not recognized by China, frankly because it's an artificial line was drawn by a foreigner, by someone without intimate knowledge of local historical boundaries. China wants to negotiate new border deal with India (China had 30 rounds of border talks with India) that is agreeable to both sides, however, India still clings to the McMahon Line because of colonial mentality. Seems like even though the British left India, the minds of the local people remain enslaved and loyal to their former masters. You said: "and claims made on Arunachal Pradesh (don't say, AP is also part of China) to divert the attention" China doesn't want all of Arunachal Pradesh, only Tawang region since it was historically part of Southern Tibet. However, even after 30 rounds of border talks with India, China and India still fail to reach a border deal. You said: "Do you think China is not worried about India's growth?" Of course not. India is a member of BRICS, just like China. India is also a member of the Shanghai Cooperation Organisation, why would China want to continue to work with India if China was worried about India's growth? In fact, China invited India to the Belt and Road Initiative to join in mutual prosperity (but India rejected China's invitation). India is a part of Asia, just like Bhutan is also part of Asia. Still, everyone knows it's China that's the primary driving force behind the rise of Asia. Asia's rise will be further boosted by economic cooperation between China with India and Bhutan, yet obstacles remain and prevent this from becoming a reality.
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  25459.  @Faceless-Patriote  There's no truth to what you said. Even the Bhutanese authorities themselves have denied the presence of Chinese settlements on Bhutan’s territory, what more is there to say? Please point out where's the so-called "truth" in your statement. And clearly the one who's already triggered is the one shouting "YOU ARE PETTY" multiple times, yet you're calling me triggered? You said: "I don’t understand the politics of the statement but on ground, the reality is different." You refuse to accept the statements made by the Bhutanese authorities, so you just dismiss them that's all? Bhutan’s Ambassador to India, Major General Vetsip Namgyel, said that there was no Chinese village inside Bhutan. And Bhutan’s PM Lotay Tshering has categorically denied intrusions of Chinese villages on Bhutan's territory. Explain what's the reality on the ground then. I presume you sourced those images from Google Maps? Senior Bhutanese journalist, Tenzing Lamsang, has said that the reports of Chinese building villages inside Bhutan were based on open-source information like Google Maps, which are not reliable. Here's the tweet by Bhutanese journalist, Tenzing Lamsang -Thread -Have seen and read reports of the Chinese allegedly building a village 2 km inside Bhutan in Doklam area. -However, as per reliable sources in Bhutan there is no ‘Chinese village’ constructed inside Bhutan. — Tenzing Lamsang November 20, 2020 Tell me what's the reality is on the ground if you disagree.
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  25461.  @Faceless-Patriote  You said: "I want nothing but peaceful relationships with China with more people to people contact" Earlier you were advocating a violent solution, calling for a Chinese military invasion, why pretend that you suddenly care about peaceful relationship? As for people to people contact, Chinese can be found all over the world. Everyone has heard of Chinese tourists and international students visiting your countries. In fact, before 2019, China was the biggest source of outbound tourism as well as the biggest source of international students. Have you actually talked to a Chinese within your area? You said: "but the first step should be that China stop claiming our territory based on history" Why should China give up our claims? What does Bhutan base their territorial claims over, if not history? Even India has annexed the territories of Sikkim, Goa, Manipur, Nagaland, Tripura, J&K, etc for the same historical reasons. You said: "maintain status quo until the border is demarcated," Who's preventing the border from being demarcated? China has had 25 rounds of border talks with Bhutan, yet all 25 talks ended in failure. It's because Bhutan has been politically captured by India. Doklam is located on Bhutan-China border, NOT on the India-China border, so why India care about it's neighbor's border? You said: "then we be brother from different mother" Why should I be brothers with someone who advocates for violent solution instead of a peaceful resolution? Why should I be brothers with someone who calls for separatism in what's universally recognized as a part of China? And why should I be brothers with someone who considers me petty?
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  25462.  @Faceless-Patriote  You said: "I want nothing but peaceful relationships with China with more people to people contact" Earlier you were calling for a violent solution, why pretend that you suddenly care about peaceful relationship? As for people to people contact, Chinese can be found all over the world. Everyone has heard of Chinese tourists and international students visiting your countries. In fact, before 2019, China was the biggest source of outbound tourism as well as the biggest source of international students. Have you actually talked to a Chinese within your area? You said: "but the first step should be that China stop claiming our territory based on history" Why should China give up our claims? What does Bhutan base their territorial claims over, if not history? Even India has annexed the territories of Sikkim, Goa, Manipur, Nagaland, Tripura, J&K, etc for the same historical reasons. You said: "maintain status quo until the border is demarcated," Who's preventing the border from being demarcated? China has had 25 rounds of border talks with Bhutan, yet all 25 talks ended in failure. It's because Bhutan has been politically captured by India. Doklam is located on Bhutan-China border, NOT on the India-China border, so why India care about it's neighbor's border? You said: "then we be brother from different mother" Why be brothers with someone who calls others "PETTY" just because we take a different view? Why be brothers with someone who calls for a violent solution instead of peaceful resolution? Why be brothers with someone calling for separatism in Tibet (which is a universally recognized part of China)?
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  25463.  @Faceless-Patriote  You said: "I want nothing but peaceful relationships with China with more people to people contact" Earlier you were calling for a military invasion, why pretend that you suddenly care about peaceful relationship? As for people to people contact, Chinese can be found all over the world. Everyone has heard of Chinese tourists and international students visiting your countries. In fact, before 2019, China was the biggest source of outbound tourism as well as the biggest source of international students. Have you actually talked to a Chinese within your area? You said: "but the first step should be that China stop claiming our territory based on history" Why should China give up our claims? What does Bhutan base their territorial claims over, if not history? Even India has annexed the territories of Sikkim, Goa, Manipur, Nagaland, Tripura, J&K, etc for the same historical reasons. You said: "maintain status quo until the border is demarcated," Who's preventing the border from being demarcated? China has had 25 rounds of border talks with Bhutan, yet all 25 talks ended in failure. It's because Bhutan has been politically captured by India. Doklam is located on Bhutan-China border, NOT on the India-China border, so why India care about it's neighbor's border? You said: "then we be brother from different mother" Why be brothers with someone who calls others "PETTY" just because we take a different view? Why be brothers with someone who calls for military invasion instead of peaceful resolution? Why be brothers with someone who supports separatism in Tibet (a universally recognized part of China)?
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  25515.  @beautanner8409  Previously, while Tibet was under Dalai Lama rule, Tibet was a brutal theocracy, where 95% of the population were slaves and the remaining 5% elites were slave owners. Tibetan mountainous soil is infertile, rainfall is scarce in the Himalayas, so the slaves had to work hard to feed the Tibetan population. Starvation was commonplace and theft of food was punished by torture, amputation and even skinning. There's this Tibetan drum called damaru that's made from human skulls, a drumskin made of human skin and drumstick made of human bone. The Dalai Lama was overly worshipped and his followers fought for the right to consume his saliva, his urine and even his feces, because he was considered a divine vessel. After Tibet returned back to China, Chinese workers began rapidly modernising Tibet, building roads, railways, streetlamps, running water, gas and electricity as well as introducing modern amenities like cars, computers, telephone cables, smartphones, the Internet, WiFi, online shopping (from Taobao) and so on. Under CPC, the first Tibetan colleges opened in Lhasa, offering degrees in both Tibetan and Mandarin Chinese languages. Hydroelectric powerstations were built by Chinese to supply Tibetan homes with electricity. Chinese workers built the Qinghai-Lhasa railway (world's highest elevation railway) through dangerous mountainous terrain and low oxygen environments, to connect the normally isolated Tibet with the rest of the world. Tibet can now import food from the mainland to feed its population, and Tibet's population has tripled from 1 million in 1950s to over 3 million people today. A thriving tourist industry has even sprung up in Tibet.
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  25516.  @beautanner8409  You said: "For instance, the US wasn’t bombing Yemen, it was supporting the Saudis efforts to do so. After pressure from within the American government, this was ended. Not really the actions of a ‘warmonger’." So a country that literally bombs another in support of another country is somehow not undertaking the actions of a 'warmonger'? What sort of twisted logic is this? According to you, USA bombed Yemen for Saudi Arabia's sake, yet USA is not a warmonger? It just sounds like a half-baked attempt by you to excuse the U.S warmongering tendencies. You said: "(Btw If you think the Americans’ support for a brutal regime is morally reprehensible, and should be criticized, then this is an argument for rebuking and disengaging from China.)" Looks like you already know what Saudi Arabia truly is. So if USA support for a brutal regime (in your words) is morally reprehensible, then what gives the USA the right to act as a defender of human rights? USA is just applying double standards when it comes to Saudi Arabia and China that's all. "Re: Tibet - Replacing one brutal regime with another isn’t much cause for celebration." Here's a video of modern day Lhasa, Tibet, China (filmed by WildFilmsIndia) and you can see how developed Lhasa has become under communist party rule. Tibetans now have roads, railways, highways, bridges, streetlamps, running water, gas and electricity, and modern technology like cars, telephone cables, computers, smartphones, WiFi, the Internet, online shopping (from Taobao) and so on. Video: Modern day Lhasa is not a patch on what you thought Tibet looks like youtu.be/3zIQlZopTPo (By WildFilmsIndia) Even the poorest Tibetan farmer can afford a smartphone, connect to the Internet and shop online in Taobao and have his purchases shipped all the way to Tibet in the Himalayas.Because Tibet is part of China after all.
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  25518.  @beautanner8409  "神州 Shenzhou No: I said the US supported another country’s bombing campaign until its own government recognized what it was doing, and stopped supporting it - fundamentally different from what you just said." That's the literal definition of a warmonger (someone who supports war towards other countries) what verbal gymnastics are you attempting to do here to excuse the U.S actions? And even if you exclude Yemen War, there's still Gulf War, Iraq War, Afghan War, Syrian War, etc and so on. You said: "And something that you (and those like you) seem to keep missing - those of us critical of the CCP’s actions aren’t all unreservedly on “Team America”." But apparently people like you don't belong to such a category you described, since you've been trying to come up with all sorts of excuses to excuse the U.S actions. And USA doesn't even care about its allies. The Biden administration announced the diplomatic boycott of the 2022 Beijing Olympics, and the rest of the 5 Eyes countries (Australia, Britain, Canada, New Zealand) hopped onboard the diplomatic boycott train. But now USA has flipped and is applying for 18 officials to attend the Olympics. Video: US applies for 18 officials to attend Beijing Olympics despite boycott announcement youtu.be/Vg3WyImPe7w This is what the other 5 Eyes nations gets for blindly following U.S on diplomatically boycotting the Olympics, only for the U.S to change its mind. The U.S is taking their allies for a ride and the rest of the 5 Eyes are blindly following.
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  25519.  @beautanner8409  "Finally, you attack the credibility of what you call a ‘far right researcher’ by citing an obscure, hyper-partisan left one." The Grayzone has been exposing U.S imperialist agenda through fact-checking and and quoting primary source materials. Even just reading Adrian Zenz's report, there's a graph where he compared Xinjiang's Uighur and Han Populations in Millions (1985-2018) it it turns out that the Uighur (BLUE) population in Xinjiang has been growing steadily and it was the Han (ORANGE) population that has been declining. You said: "But let’s say that Zenz’s reports, which mutually corroborates other journalism on the ground, interviews, satellite imagery, leaked documents," Journalists from the BBC and VICE have visiting Xinjiang, and they could find no evidence of 1 million Uighurs in detention. As for the Satellite Imagery, if you visit the ground coordinates of those satellite images, it turns out those coordinates correspond to ordinary civilian facilities like schools, residential apartments, logistical buildings and so on. For example: -The “detention center” (geographic coordinates: 38.8367N, 77.7056E) claimed by ASPI, is actually a gerocomium in Markit county, Kashi Prefecture, Xinjiang -The "detention center" (geographic coordinates: 38.9950N, 77.6682E) claimed by ASPI, is actually an elementary school in Yantaq township, Markit county, Kashi Prefecture, Xinjiang -The “detention center” (geographic coordinates: 39.8252N, 78.5501E) claimed by ASPI, is actually a logistics park in Bachu county, Kashi Prefecture, Xinjiang _-The “detention center” (geographic coordinates: 38.9046N, 77.6153E) claimed by ASPI, is actually a middle school in Markit county, Kashi Prefecture, Xinjiang_
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  25535. Arlen Tsao said "神州 Shenzhou the fact is Taiwan has been a Democracy for over 2 decades." Ever since adopting "democracy" Taiwan's economy has slowed down rapidly, and become less efficient. Much of Taiwan's great progress and industrialization occurred under authoritarian single-party KMT leadership. KMT's policies were the ones that benefit Taiwan and in fact, Taiwan had been under martial law for more than 38 years, which was qualified as "the longest imposition of martial law by a regime anywhere in the world" at that time. So how is that different from China's authoritarian single-party rule? The old Taiwan system worked, so why must Taiwan change to something that doesn't? Also, Arlen Tsao said "Even in the past, we were never as rude and savage as you Communist thugs." Who's the one resorting to foul language and insults here? One of your earlier comments to me is "神州 Shenzhou they all unofficially recognize Taiwan dumbass. The only reason is to please your little fat man Xi Pooh Bear so they can sell name brand shit to your shallow population." so who is the rude one here? Do I resort to abusing you with insults like what you done to me? Here is video of a fight within the Taiwan Parliament, with parliament members throwing chairs and furniture at one another. Source: Massive fight breaks out in Taiwanese parliament youtube.com/watch?v=kXmPDLRt6hA So why do you seem to think you weren't as savage as people from the mainland? Aren't you ashamed your government is reduced to this state?
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  25536. +Arlen Tsao You keep on saying PRC people are rude, then look at your own words addressed to me. I don't resort to hurling personal insults against you, just because your views differ from mine, but you take every opportunity to insult me and degrade me in this thread here. So who is the rude one here? Taiwan's economic growth was highest under KMT authoritarian rule. In the 1960s, the agrarian economy was replaced with light industry as small and medium enterprises started to form. From 1966 to 1980, Taiwan's economy was gradually stabilized after Chiang Ching-kuo's Ten Major Construction Projects laid the foundation in further economic developments. But then after the KMT introduced democracy and free elections, Taiwan's economy began to slowdown and Taiwan companies began losing its competitiveness. Made in Taiwan products were once well-known, but have since been replaced by Made in China products. The economy of Taiwan is "at a crossroads" and facing economic marginalization in the world economy, in addition to de-internationalization, low-paid salary to employees and uncertain outlook for personal promotion of staff, which results in human resource talents seeking career opportunities elsewhere in the Asia-Pacific region, and businesses in Taiwan suffer most from being the size of small and medium enterprises only with weaker-than-expected revenue of its hectic business operation for any consideration of further expansion, and overall impedes any attempts at economic transformation of Taiwan from the Taiwanese government. So can't you see that without your government's help, (in fact, without KMT's leadership) Taiwan's economy is suffering today? Why change from a successful system in the 1960s, to a less efficient "democratic" system today? What has "democracy" ever done for Taiwan? Since you think Taiwan is so "high tech", then why don't you name some famous Taiwan companies? China has many high tech companies like Huawei, Lenovo, Alibaba, Tencent, Baidu, etc. Here is a list of the largest Internet companies in the world, and China is rapidly catching up to the USA. Source: List of largest Internet companies wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_largest_Internet_companies Smartphone use in China is much more widespread and advanced as compared to many other countries. In China, you can go shop online, make purchases, make payments, have them delivered to your doorstep, transfer funds, get your laundry done, book dental appointments, book doctor appointments, book a cab, pay the fare, book karaoke sessions, pay the bills, make a donation, all on your mobile phone. Source: _20 Amazing things that Chinese people do in WeChat techinasia.com/how-wechat-is-really-used-in-china
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  25541. +Arlen Tsao If China wants to better ourselves, then we physically act and do research, built and compete to become better, and that includes in the propaganda department as well. Let's face it, Anti-China propaganda is extremely widespread in the West and they continue to demonize China as some pollution filled country with rude people and so on. Its because China is industrializing and that inevitably creates pollution. If China doesn't produce propaganda of our own, then we will surely be overrun by Western Anti-China propaganda. So why can't we fight back with propaganda of our own? I mean, the West have been polluting the Earth since 200-300 years ago (since the Industrial Revolution in 17th century) and China only recently industrialized about 30-40 years ago. So why blame China for our pollution when Westerners have done the same thing hundreds of years ago. Western countries are so powerful today, because they industrialized much earlier than other countries, and therefore have an advantage over Middle Eastern, African and Asian countries. So why can't China do the same to improve ourselves? We don't want to be left behind in technological developments. To combat pollution, China is switching to renewable energy. China built the world's largest hydroelectric powerstation, the Three Gorges Dam, in order to supply China with clean renewable energy to fuel our growth. Because of this, China is the world leader in renewable energy production, surpassing even USA and Europe List of countries by electricity production from renewable sources wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_electricity_production_from_renewable_sources In Solar Power, the current largest photovoltaic power station in the world is the 850 MW Longyangxia Dam Solar Park, in Qinghai, China. Wikipedia: Solar power wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_power In Wind Power, China has the largest onshore wind farm, the Gansu Wind Farm. Wikipedia: Wind power wikipedia.org/wiki/Wind_power But of course, the giant switch from fossil fuels to renewable energy will take time, and China has only just industrialized not so long ago in 1970s. Yet China is already producing more hydroelectric power, solar power and wind power than even the long industrialized Western countries. So what does that tell you about China's determination to succeed? About Chinese music and other media, China is fast becoming a major movie market, and Hollywood movie producers are eager to tap into China's moving going audiences for profits. Because of that, Hollywood is now eager to work with Chinese film producers (like Zhang Yimou) and hire Chinese actors and actresses to star in their films (like Jing Tian, Fan BingBing, etc). Thanks to China's movie market, Hollywood is slowing introducing more Asian actors and actresses to the big screen, and helping boost their careers.
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  25542. +Arlen Tsao When did I ignore all the negative aspects of Mainland China? I clearly mentioned the problem of Pollution for example, and talked about why China is polluted and how the government is now switching to green energy, making China the largest producer of solar power, wind power and hydroelectricity. So why are you accuse me of such? What about Taiwan's negative aspects? I shown you a video about violent fight in Taiwan Parliament, but you just ignored it. I shown that Taiwan was ruled by authoritarian single-party KMT for nearly its entire life, but you just ignored it. You said Chinese people are rude, and I showed you a video of Westerners asking for directions in China, but you just ignored it. You keep saying Taiwan is high tech and "Taiwan is one of the strongest countries on Earth." then why don't you show proof instead of just making such sweeping claims? Where's your high tech for example? China built the world's largest radio telescope, the Five-hundred-meter Aperture Spherical Telescope (FAST) also know as Tianyan 天眼 (Eye of the Heavens) that will help scientists learn more about the universe's early days, detect low-frequency gravitational waves and hunt for signals that may have been produced by distant alien civilizations. Source: China Finishes Building World's Largest Radio Telescope space.com/33357-china-largest-radio-telescope-alien-life.html The larger the radio dish, the more sensitive it is to picking up cosmic radiation and its potential to discover an alien civilization will be 5 to 10 times that of current equipment, as it can see farther and darker planets. 2 years after its trial operation began in 2016, China's radio telescope has already identified 44 new pulsars from outer space. Source: In just two years, FAST, the world's largest single-dish radio telescope, has discovered 44 pulsars youtube.com/watch?v=176kwcS5iWk
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  25552. +Panda Bear  You don't understand, it's actually the Chinese people that hold the advantages here. It's a Chinese scientist that successfully made the world's first genetically enhanced baby after all, so China has a headstart over the other countries. Whereas in the West, public opinion would have halted gene-editing efforts and stop them from progressing in this area, so China has the advantage here. The asteroid that killed the dinosaurs, highlights just how vulnerable any species on Earth is to extinction. Who knows, maybe in the future, Homo Sapiens get wiped out by killer asteroid too! Or some disease wipes out humanity entirely. If we have the technology to produce genetically superior humans that can survive an asteroid collision of the Earth, or are immune to such diseases, then why should we not ensure the continuation of the species? You yourself admitted that humans dominate the Earth thanks to technology and now technology allows humans to potentially wipe out diseases like HIV. Don't you think its selfish of people to halt the evolution of humanity because of the belief that we are the ultimate lifeform? I mean, evolution is always ongoing and Homo Sapiens is not the first nor are we last in the chain of evolution. Who says that Homo Sapiens is the last evolution of mankind? What if a better version of ourselves comes along? Of course every racial/national wants their own kind to survive as long as possible. But it does not mean that they will survive. Look at all the primitive human tribes that are still living in the jungles and deserts of the world. They too want their culture to survive, even when they are lagging behind rest of humanity. Eventually they will assimilate into the rest of humanity as the world constantly competes for resources. And racism exists because races exist. You think humans can ever learn to live together with our different races? If through genetics, we can eliminate racism then isn't it solving one of the fundamental social problems of society? And homosexual marriages produce no offspring so how is humanity going to survive in the future? What if homosexuality really was a disease caused by a gene defect and we have to technology to cure this disease and rid humanity of it?
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  25553. +Panda Bear Why should no one be doing it? We have the technology but it appears its always going to still in its infancy, because nobody is allowed to work with it. If science and medicine should be learnt together for all of humanity, then why aren't scientists learning more about CRISPR other than China? China don't forbid other countries from learning about CRISPR so what exactly are we doing wrong here? "Diseases and viruses knows no political boundary." Likewise, an epidemic of a deadly disease can possibly wipe out humanity, so why can't we engineer babies with stronger immune system to resist such diseases? Do you want human race to be wiped out by disease? Look at the genocide of Native Americans, because they've been exposed for foreign viruses from the Spanish settlers of America. Their immune system never accounted viruses from the Old World, and that's why disease nearly wiped out the Native Americans. Now we have the cure to AIDS, through immunity to HIV through genetics, so why can't we continue on this research then? If the Native Americans. Since you know that a killer asteroid can wipe out most of life on Earth (including humans) at any time, then why can't humans defend against that possible scenario? If we can engineer babies with the ability to withstand killer asteriods or even a nuclear apocalypse, then why can't we do that? If lets say, the Westerners' version of a zombie apocalypse does happen, then why can't we human engineer babies with better immune systems to resist such scenarios? Imagine if you are a Neanderthal in the past and the superior Homo Sapiens comes along. Are you going to stop Homo Sapiens from reaching their full potential, just because you want to exist? Homo Sapiens is the planet-changing species, yet you want to limit their potential because of your own selfish reasons? No matter what you do, there will always be a better version of human, that will comes along and replace you. If in the future there is another species that is superior to Homo Sapiens, are you going to stop from taking over the planet? "If humanity can cure more diseases perhaps the life span of mankind will NATURALLY live longer up to about 140 years, and we will NATURALLY evolve to changing environmental conditions." What is considered NATURALLY in the first place? Don't doctors who make vaccines against smallpox and other communicable disease, make use of science and technology to administer a cure? So isn't gene-editing to grant HIV immunity, another an example of humanity curing more diseases? Humans have been vaccinating ourselves to grant immunity to certain diseases, so what's the different here? I mean, do you know how long it takes to NATURALLY acquire immunity to certain diseases? So many people have to first die of the disease, until finally a child is born with genes that enable her to become immune to the disease. Why do you want this to happen the NATURAL way, when we have the technology to switch on the immunity gene ourselves? Do you prefer millions of humans to die first, until someone is born with the correct immunity gene, then you will accept it? Like I said, Nature is just a random, spontaneous splicing of genes, removing old defects and also producing new defects at the same time, so why go through this slow, painful process? I mean, look at humanity today, and which part of us is NATURAL? Our clothes? Our buildings? Our farms? Our factories? Our powerstations? Our Genetically Modified food? Our medicine? Our vaccinations? Our radiation emitting phones? Even our contraception methods can be artificial, and babies can be fertilized in a test tube, so who are you to talk about things occurring NATURALLY? Why don't you go live out in the wilds without technology, since you want things to be NATURAL?
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  25561. Did you know that the Shang dynasty was once also considered to be "myth" as well, but later scientific research proven its existence? And in 2016, there is new geological evidence uncovered that may reveal the Xia dynasty to be real. Geologic Evidence May Support Chinese Flood Legend Source:https://news.nationalgeographic.com/2016/08/china-yellow-river-great-flood-xia-dynasty-yu/ China finds ‘great flood’ evidence supporting myth of first emperors Source:https://www.news.com.au/technology/science/archaeology/china-finds-great-flood-evidence-supporting-myth-of-first-emperors/news-story/4aa4b85724d2fc53f608f1f65f76edbc Archaeological excavation is always ongoing and uncovering new evidence every day. But a good majority of scholars, historians (even Westerners) agree that China is among the world's oldest 'continous' civilizations still alive today. Even other great ancient civilizations like Mesopotamia, Rome and Egypt have long since faded to history. Even the Chinese written characters have been continuously in use since 1200 BC, whereas Sumerian Cuneiform, Latin and Egyptian Hieroglyphs are considered dead languages today. And yes China has a bloody history of war. You can't possibly expect China to have 5000 years of history, and to have absolutely zero wars isn't it? In fact, One of the world famous thousand year old war literature, Sun Zi's The Art of War is still being taught in many military academies today. But the fact remains that China has been peaceful since 1979, and is currently not at war with any country. And since you bothered to calculate China's 3,790 wars or 1.26 wars per year then I can also say that USA fought 1032 wars from since 1775, or average 5 wars per year. So isn't USA still a worst warmonger? List of wars involving USA Source:wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wars_involving_the_United_States
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  25585. +Sam D What 300 year old map? Even the 1890 treaty with British isn't that old, yet you people quote Google Earth as evidence for your ridiculous claims? What makes Google Earth more reliable evidence than our maps and documents? Bhutan doesn't even have anything to show for its claims, yet India still side with it and willingly invade Chinese territory with troops? +ANUPAM RASTOGI 14th Dalai Lama has never officially renounced his claim over Tibet. If he was truly remorseful, he would have surrendered to Chinese authorities, instead of being fugitive for almost 60 years. The truth is that 14th DL is old man, and the government is waiting for 14th DL to pass on once and for all. The problem with Tibetan Buddhism is that people believe in reincarnation, and that the 14th DL may groom his own successor as the next Panchen Lama to continue his political agenda. Tibetan Buddhism suppose be above worldly affairs, yet 14th DL choose to involved himself in politics. The government wants to stop an endless repeating cycle of separatism by preventing 14th DL reincarnation. Religion is not just spirituality alone, it can be deadly tool that people used over the years to achieve their political agenda, whether its Christianism or Islam and so on. Radical Islamists hijack Islam to convince their followers to commit crimes in name of their god or for rewards in the afterlife. The government is merely taking steps to stop 14th DL from continuing his political agenda, but the government does not ban Tibetan Buddhism at all. PLA only entered Indian territory erroneously like I said earlier. Even afterwards, PLA troops withdrew after few weeks. What about Indian intrusion into Chinese territory, which has been for a month already and still ongoing? Why is POK construction illegal? Even if Chinese people didn't do the construction, Pakistan people may choose to do it themselves, or even work with other countries on projects in POK. If India truly objects to POK construction, then India is welcome to send its troops to POK to obstruct road construction like it is doing in Donglong. Who is are the ones with intense hatred towards Chinese people here? I began with "Chinese people don't want war", yet everyone responds with insults, name-calling and malicious posts. I tried to support my points with links whenever possible, but all you people do is dismiss them, calling me a fraud among other things. I deal in logic, but these Indians deal with emotions to justify their causes.
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  25586. +dibyendust 1. The title of the video is made by the video uploader not the Chinese diplomat and spokeperson. Why accuse me being hypocritical and biased, when you fail to even notice such details? So it's become bilateral issue between India and China? India does not claim Donglong as part of its territory, so how has building roads there become bilateral issue between India and China at all? 2. If India is so opposed to Chinese building in disputed territory claimed by India, then why doesn't India enter POK and obstruct Chinese construction? In this case, the disputed territory is between Bhutan and China, not India, so why is India voluntarily sending its forces into territory it itself does not claim for itself? India claims POK, but India does not claim Donglong, so why are its troops there? 3. First off, China doesn't want conflict, which is why Chinese officials issued many official statements, including a willingness to settle this dispute peacefully. It is much better to settle dispute through talks and issuing more official statements, then it is to not talk at all So far, Chinese government has release multiple official statements, but they have fallen on deaf ears by Indian government. Furthermore, it is India that is sending its troops into Chinese territory. Is this how India's diplomacy works? 4. You have read the Hambantota port issue wrongly. Initially, the ownership of the completed port belonged to Sri Lanka, but in order to pay off the loan, 95% of revenue generated was used. Since such a deal was unsatisfactory for Sri Lankan government, our countries worked out a new deal, in which Chinese companies owned majority stake of the port, while Sri Lanka remains in charge of security. That way, Sri Lanka doesn't have to allocate 95% revenue generated into paying loans, and Sri Lanka retains the rights of security, which proclaimed that no military vessels shall call upon the port. This is example of win-win situation that Chinese government strives for. If the deals are unsatisfactory, new terms can always be negotiated. You really think Sri Lanka is so poor that is has to sell majority stake of the port AND pay 95% of its revenue to Chinese loans? It was only one or the other, but not BOTH. 5. I did not lie about Japan not claiming any of South China Sea Islands. Japan is not a claimant to South China Sea Islands according to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Territorial_disputes_in_the_South_China_Sea The Diaoyu Islands are in East China Sea, not South China Sea, which you claimed in your original post. The Diaoyu Islands were part of China before Japanese stole them from us during the war. After Japanese surrender, all their conquered territory should be returned to their owners, including Diaoyu Islands to China, isn't it? About Philippines case, the court involved was Permanent Court of Arbitration, which is not an agency of United Nations, so why should China adhere to its ruling? The correct UN agency would be ICJ, not this PCA. Furthermore, China made declaration in accordance with the UNCLOS in 2006 not to accept any of its procedures regarding territorial sovereignty. Many countries including the UK, Australia, Italy, France, Canada, and Spain made similar declarations to reject settling claims of sovereignty in this manner. Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philippines_v._China#Optional_exceptions_to_applicability_of_compulsory_procedure Back to Bhutan again, I thought you said it was bilateral issue between India and China, so why is India helping Bhutan against China? You changed its from being bilateral to multilateral, so exactly which what is it? If it is bilateral between India and China, then India does not claim Donglong as part of its territory, so what rights does it have to send its troops there? 14th Dalai Lama is fugitive from Chinese authorities, because of his separatist actives, while terrorists are the same for India. Both of us have these intimately involved enemies of our own, so how is this hypocrisy? Why India is allowed to protect such 14th DL from China, but China is not allowed to do the same? The best solution to this problem would be mutual exchange of fugitives, when India hands over 14th DL in return for China not vetoing. This is simply how real politics work in the world. Your Austrialian journal link does not fully show. It only tells me to subscribe. If you say I am biased, then I can also claim you are biased with your last paragraph consisting of whole string of accusations leveled at China. China is member of UNCLOS and have not broken any of its laws. Debt trap is just your own opinion, and you only highlighted Sri Lanka as your example, not various other projects by China, so who are you to keep on mocking our efforts to improve the world? I can also accuse India of attempting to prevent development to other countries by obstructing road construction, can't I?
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  25693.  @kammonkam4905  You said: " I think Xi is a pompous, uneducated windbag with a big chip on his shoulder who is also a control freak, a very bad combination" You said he's pompous, but could you elaborate why? There's plenty of videos of President Xi being down to earth, such as visiting poor villages in Shaanxi, Sichuan, Zhejiang, and inquiring with local villagers on the poverty alleviation efforts. Having come from a background of being sent to work in the countryside, Xi understands how the poor people feel and vows to make life better for the people. Xi Jinping's education was cut short by the Cultural Revolution. The misfortunes and suffering of his family in his early years hardened Xi's view of politics. During an interview in 2000, he said, "People who have little contact with power, who are far from it, always see these things as mysterious and novel. But what I see is not just the superficial things: the power, the flowers, the glory, the applause. I see the bullpens and how people can blow hot and cold. I understand politics on a deeper level." From 1998 to 2002, Xi studied Marxist theory and ideological education in Tsinghua University, graduating from there with a doctorate in law and ideology in 2002. A windbag? Xi has around 30-40 years of political experience, having rose through the communist ranks and governed over several cities and provinces of China. The Belt and Road Initiative was Xi's birth child, attempting to connect China to Europe (and the countries in between) in order to provide development to those landlocked countries, as well as project China's influence throughout Eurasia. A chip on his shoulder? Against whom or what does Xi hold a grudge against?
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  25753. +Parm Mohan China has settled land disputes with virtual all our land neighbors, except India which is more troublesome. Did you know China has had over 19 talks with India but still fail to settle our countries borders? Back in 2017, China has been willing to make concessions in Aksai Chin if India cedes part of Tawang in Arunachal Pradesh. A former Chinese diplomat has hinted that settlement of the India-China boundary dispute is possible if India agrees to make concessions in the eastern sector. China ready to make concessions in Aksai Chin if India cedes part of Tawang in Arunachal Pradesh. Source: http://zeenews.india.com/india/china-ready-to-make-concessions-in-aksai-chin-if-india-cedes-part-of-tawang-in-arunachal-pradesh_1982943.html This shows that China is willing to make reasonable compromises if necessary, in order to settle our border land disputes with other countries. But India thus far has rejected this offer and not offered a counter proposal of its own. The Qing government had restricted opium sales in China to a minimum so that we can control the level of addiction in China. But Britain forced China at gunpoint to remove this restriction, and thus, our markets flooded with unwanted levels of this addictive drug, which made people ill, unable to work, and spent their life savings on this horrible addiction. Why? Britain chose to go to War with China (twice) so that they can continue to push drugs onto China and weaken our people. People were killed so that Britain can push drugs in China? And Hong Kong was leashed to Britain AT GUNPOINT, so how is what Britain did forgivable? Hong Kong had no reason to be leashed to Britain in the first place! And Hong Kong was an entire port city becoming a British colony, whereas in Sri Lanka, they leased a single port (in Hambantota) and not the entire city. Cigarette smoking is not the same as opium smoking so why are you trying to compare them? At least with cigarettes, Chinese people are still able to work and contribute back to society, but with opium, Chinese people would laze around, half-dead, and delirious and that greatly weakened our nation. Have you seen what the British did to Indians? The British brutally colonized India and Indian rebels were tied to the front of cannons and executed by blasting a whole in their chests (Blowing from a gun). The British made use of Indian supplies, ammunition, and soldiers to fight in their wars (7,000 Indian troops fought the Chinese during 1st Opium War) and Indian troops were also conscripted to fight the Nazi Germany (which in truth, had little to do with India as a country) Winston Churchill was racist towards Indians, and he caused an artificial famine in Bengal, in which estimated 3 million Indians starved to death, while the British stockpiled food for British troops. Wikipedia: Blowing from a gun Source: wikipedia.org/wiki/Blowing_from_a_gun Prior to the British arrival in mid-19th century, India was prosperous and its global GDP was about 23%. But after the British left India in 1947, its GDP fell to below 4%. Where did all of India's wealth gone? Dr. Tharoor's speech reminded Britain of what they had done to India Video: youtu.be/2bkQmgNru5I?t=69
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  25754. +Parm Mohan In the term Aksai Chin, aksai literally means "white brook" whereas chin is denoting China isn't it? And if India reject our offer, then why doesn't India offer a counter proposal of its own, since it reject our offer? How does India plan to solve the territorial dispute at our border? How was India caught off guard in the 1967 clashes? On 16 September 1965, China issued an ultimatum to India to vacate the Nathu La pass. And on 13 August 1967, Chinese troops started digging trenches in Nathu La on the Sikkimese side which was observed by Indian troops. And as far as I know, the Five Principles of Peaceful Coexistence 和平共处五项原则 were put forth by Chinese Premier Zhou Enlai, to help solve territorial disputes. But does India have any diplomacy of its own, other than sending troops to other countries? Like when India send troops to Donglong and obstruct PLA road construction in our own territory? It can be seen that India is the troublesome one and refuse to sign border agreement with China, and reject Chinese proposal for an exchange of territory, and not offering counterproposal of its own. China signed border agreements with virtually all our land neighbors (and I labeled the dates as well) so who is the one refusing to agree to sign border agreement? China and India has had 19 talks over our border, but still fail to arrive at an agreement. That's right, Opium addiction is much worse, so that's why the British waged war with China and forced us to stop our Opium restriction at gunpoint. Why British allowed to do this to China? And did you see what British did to India. So who is the true enemy here? This is the first time I am citing Dr Tharoor in this comment thread, so what are you talking about refusing to accept his other citation? When did I ever mention Dr Tharoor prior to citing his video in this comment thread?
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  25755. +Parm Mohan Those Indians always seem to blame other countries but not themselves. Aksai Chin is part of the Xinjiang Uyghur Autonomous Region, and the name Aksai Chin itself already gives away its origins. Pakistan is its own sovereign country (as recognized by India) so what makes Kashmir not part of Pakistan? The population in Kashmir is mostly Muslims and India agreed to allow Pakistan to form its own country following Islam isn't it? The 1967 India and China clash was not a war, it was a clash according to the following source. Indian Army doubled its size so what makes you think India was caught by surprise? Indian troops had started building up defensive fortifications of its own so what makes you think India wasn't prepared for war? 1967 India China Conflicts wikipedia.org/wiki/Nathu_La_and_Cho_La_clashes And in the end, China still controls Aksai Chin, so what sort of "victory" do those Indians proclaim? Killing more troops but losing land doesn't really translate to "victory" See? Those Indians refused to negotiate, and just claim Aksai Chin is theirs, Jammu & Kashmir is theirs, etc. Everything is not India's fault, its all the other countries fault. That's why China and India haven't signed border agreement deal, even aft 19 talks, whereas China signed land border agreements with virtually all our neighbors. Who is the troublesome one here? Doklam/Donglong was not even Indian territory, so why India send troops to disrupt PLA road construction? China has shown proof that Donglong belong to China according to the Convention of Calcutta Under Article 1, the boundary of Sikkim and Tibet was defined as the crest of the mountain range separating the waters flowing into the Teesta River in Sikkim and its tributaries from the waters flowing into the Tibetan Mochu River and northwards into other rivers of Tibet. The line commenced at Mount Gipmochi on the Bhutan frontier, and followed the above watershed to the point where it met Nepali territory. So China has proof that Donglong belongs to China. But where does Bhutan have proof of its own to show that Donglong belongs to them? Bhutan has literally zero evidence whatsoever that Doklam is part of its territory. Where did you cited Tharoor in this comment thread at all? As far as I know, Dr Tharoor was first cited by me in this comment thread, not by you.
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  25756. +Parm Mohan But Bhutan does not have any historical evidence of its own to show that Donglong/Doklam belongs to them. Being peaceful and having no military, doesn't automatically grant you historical claim over Donglong. Bhutan failed to provide evidence, yet India just blindly take their side without proof? At least China has shown with the Convention of Calcutta that Donglong belongs to China. _Under Article 1, the boundary of Sikkim and Tibet was defined as the crest of the mountain range separating the waters flowing into the Teesta River in Sikkim and its tributaries from the waters flowing into the Tibetan Mochu River and northwards into other rivers of Tibet. The line commenced at Mount Gipmochi on the Bhutan frontier, and followed the above watershed to the point where it met Nepali territory. _ Convention of Calcutta Source: wikipedia.org/wiki/Convention_of_Calcutta As far as I know, Donglong is still under Chinese control and People's Liberation Army troops patrol that area. According to below source, the Chinese PLA has around 700 troopers in the Doklam area. China moves its troops in Doklam Source: msn.com/en-in/news/newsindia/china-moves-its-troops-in-doklam-army-not-worried/ar-BBLbUqq As far as I know, you shown Indians to be blaming the Pakistanis, blaming the Chinese, and virtually everyone who's not an Indian ally. Who wants to work with an India that constantly blames other countries? China solved border issues with virtually all our land neighbors and signed border treaties, yet China had 19 talks with India over our border, and yet fail to arrive at a conclusion? China offered a compromise, parts of Arunchal Pradesh for Tawang, but India rejected this offer and did not offer counter proposal of its own. Even Doklam/Donglong had nothing to do with India, and Bhutan produced ZERO evidence that Donglong is there's, yet India just send its troops into other countries territories? Apparently it's not China that is the problem here, it is India. India only sees things from its selfish point of view, and disregard actual evidence shown by China, by Pakistan, and anything else it refuses to see. I mean look at India and China: -India is world's largest democracy, whereas China is 'communist' -India is 2nd most populous country, so it has a workforce comparable to China -Indians speak English (attractive to Westerners) whereas most Chinese still struggle with English today. -India has a free market, whereas China's market is still strictly controlled even till today. -Republic of India was founded in 1947, whereas People's Republic of China was founded 2 years later. -India is located in between China and the West. -India is founding member of WTO in 1995, whereas China joined the WTO late in 2001 India had all the above advantages, whereas China held all the disadvantages. And yet, China toady ahs overtaken India in virtually every field. -China is world's 2nd largest economy, India is the 7th -Literacy rate of China is 96%, literacy rate in India is 71% -China's Global Hunger Index is 7.5(low) compared to India's 31.4(serious) -India has 5 times more people living modern slavery than China. -India has a higher corruption index than China. -China has world's largest land army, the People's Liberation Army. -China is world's 5th largest weapons exporter. India is world's largest weapons importer. -China is ranked 17th in Global Innovation Index whereas India is ranked 57th. So why do those Indians continue to blame China? China was once dirt-poor, starving, 3rd world country like India in the past, but look at China today.
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  25761. +Parm Mohan Ancient Chinese invented the Four Great Inventions 四大发明 that have gone onto influence the world. Paper and Printing have made the recording and transmission of knowledge much easier and faster. The Compass made navigation much easier, and dangerous voyages became safer and more reliable. And Gunpowder has greatly influenced the way modern wars are fought. So many people all over the world benefited from these 4 inventions, and arguably, the West would not be where it is today if not for them. For example, would the West be able to colonize Africa, Asia, America and Australia, if not for gunpowder providing the colonials a superior advantage over the natives? The Rocket that now sends people to space, that was first invented in China during Song dynasty. Chinese ships had ventured out into the oceans long before the West even colonized America, and our ancient ships boasted inventions like the Junk rig, compartmentalized bulkheads, and the world's 1st true rudder. Of course, the invention of the compass was essential for reliable navigation. During Ming dynasty in 1405-1403, Admiral Zheng He made seven voyages throughout the Indian Ocean, visiting India, Africa and the Middle East, leading an armada of over 300 ships! Some ships were so massive that they had 9 masts and were around 3-5 times the size of Columbus' Santa Maria flagship! But it was a merchant armada, meant for peaceful trading, and not conquest of other lands. Chinese traded luxury goods like precious silk, tea, paper, porcelain (precious china) in exchange for exotic animals on their voyages. Zheng He Voyages (By Crashcourse History) Video: youtube.com/watch?v=NjEGncridoQ&t=126 So why do you accuse China of not doing much? China does not maintain peace on the other side of the world? The USA also doesn't do that, because it invaded Vietnam, Korea, Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, etc, etc. At least China is investing in projects in other countries instead of invading them with guns and bombs like the USA. China does not help small countries maintain their identity next to large countries that threaten them? Well, China is certainly helping Pakistan maintain its identity next to large countries like India, that threaten Pakistan. China is helping DPRK maintain its identity next to large countries like USA, which constantly impose sanctions on N. Korea. You said so yourself. It just seems like you just criticize China through an extremely biased point of view and don't organize your points into a logical manner. You just jump from criticism to criticism without links, and point out only what you want to criticize about China that's all. China runs a business, not a charity. If you constantly give money to poorer countries, then over time they'll become dependent on your revenue to survive. Why do you want this? Look at what China is doing in African countries (like Nigeria, Kenya, Angola, etc). China is building infrastructure in Africa, such as roads, railways, highways, bridges, schools, hospitals, hotels, shopping centers, football stadiums, power stations and telecommunication projects, since the 1970s. China has done much to help develop Africa in just decades, as compared to what Westerners been doing in Africa for centuries. Tibet was part of China since 800 years ago, when the Mongolian Kublai Khan conquered Kingdom of Thibet and Song Dynasty China and incorporated them as part of Yuan Dynasty China. The Manchu people did the same thing centuries later. For comparison, Europe only began colonizing America about 600 years ago. That means Tibet was part of China for longer than the entire American colonization history. If you want China to give Tibet back, then why not ask non-Native Americans get out of America and leave them to the original natives? Afterall, when the Westerners first colonized America, Tibet was already part of China.
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  25815. +wclifton968 Firstly, the cost of living in China is cheaper than living in the West. Secondly, Chinese people natural constitution means we have lower calorie intake than white Caucasians, (who tend to eat above the recommended intake too, leading to obesity like in USA) There are separate methods to calculate when a Caucasian is overweight, as to when an Asian is overweight, so why can't there be different methods for calculating poverty in our countries too? You think everything must follow Western standards? Also, you think the West doesn't have biased propaganda against China too? Western media been predicting China's economic downfall from since back in 1990s. Here is a compiled list of what Western journalists have to say about China's economy. 1990. The Economist: China's economy has come to a halt. 1996. The Economist: China's economy will face hard landing. 1998. The Economist: China's economy entering a dangerous period of sluggish growth. 1999. Bank of Canada: Likelihood of a hard landing for the Chinese economy. 2000. Chicago Tribune: China currency move nails hard landing risk coffin. 2001. Wilbanks, Smith & Thomas: A hard landing in China. 2002. Westchester University: China Anxiously Seeks A Soft Economic landing. 2003. KWR International: How to find a soft landing if China.. 2004. The Economist: The great fall of China? 2005. Nouriel Roubini: The Risk of a Hard Landing in China. 2006. International Economy: Can China Achieve a Soft Landing? 2007. TIME: Is China's Economy Overheating? Can China avoid a hard landing? 2008. Forbes: Hard Landing in China? 2009. Fortune: China's hard landing. China must find a way to recover. 2010. Nouriel Roubini: Hard landing coming in China. 2011. Business Insider: A Chinese Hard Landing May Be Closer Than You Think. 2012. American Interest: Dismal Economic News from China: A Hard Landing. 2013. Zero Hedge: A Hard Landing in China. 2014. CNBC: A hard landing in China. 2015. Forbes: Congratulations, You got Yourself A Chinese Hard Landing.... 2016. The Economist: Hard Landing looms for China. Clearly, Western propaganda is extremely biased against China's economy and has been proven consistently wrong for almost 30 years. China has consistently avoided "hard landings" and was even world's largest economy in 2014. So why do you continue believing in stories about a Chinese hard landing? It's been almost 30 years since Westerners first "prediction"...
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  25825. ​ @sjent "Dont even try this bs. You neither specified nor implied anything else." So if I neither specified nor implied anything else, then why are you assuming I am referring to solar power plants alone? "Now you just try to inject new argument, that was never there." You're the one that's injecting a new argument about solar plants producing power all year round, when it was never there in the first place. You've even transformed it into my argument (you said: "So your argument still does not work.") when it was never my argument in the first place. "That is not technicality, but attempt to change argument into something it was not." That's exactly what you're doing. You said it was physically impossible for solar plants to produce power at night, yet I've shown that solar plants can produce power in regions where there is sunlight even at midnight. Then suddenly you changed the argument into about solar plants producing power all year round. "You dont have to. Entire argument was referring to period of time, so it a critical factor by default. If solar panels cannot generate power 24/7, then if they cannot do it 365 days a year, is certainly as relevant." A period of time as in throughout the night. Now you're moving the goalpost to make it 365 days a year, so aren't you the one introducing a new argument when it wasn't there before? "When it comes to this trait, it is. And that was the point." Look, you claimed you misspoke the word "AND." What _"AND" means that the two are related, but you said "ASIDE" which means out of the way. So the two words have different meanings altogether so how is that the point? You're using entirely different words and claiming the context was accurate. "Being born in US does not make him American YouTuber. As i understand he has been living outside of US for quite awhile." Him living outside doesn't change the fact that Cyrus Janssen is an American YouTuber. He literally has American citizenship how is he not an American YouTuber? "His channel is international and most of the world does not use Fahrenheit. In addition to that he is not talking about US. So it is far more appropriate to use Celsius, rather than Fahrenheit." How is he not talking about the US? At 5:44 of the video, he mentioned the US minerals deal with Ukraine and about the US annexing Greenland. Look, Cyrus even uses the American unit OUNCE when talking about gold, so how is he not an American YouTuber? And yet you're claiming his channel is international and that it is far more appropriate to use Celsius, rather than Fahrenheit? It appears you don't even know Cyrus' channel all that well.
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  25827. ​ @sjent "Because this is how language works. If you do not mention or imply something else, then it is not part of the conversation." This is the text you quoted from me: "Solar power plants often have the disadvantage of not being able to generate power at night." You even called attention to the word "often" by emboldening the word. "Often" means "in many instances," which means there are instances where solar power plants can generate power at night, one of which is pairing the solar power plant with energy storage such as batteries or molten salt. Therefore, I've never said it had to be a solar power plant alone. Otherwise, please tell me the reason why you specifically highlighted the word "often" in that text you quoted. "Core of original argument was about solar plants not producing power all the time. Shifting argument from 24 hour period to 365 day period does not solve this issue, in fact it just extends it, while retaining same core problem." No one said anything about solar plants producing power all the time, the original argument was about solar power plants producing power throughout the night. You're the one shifting the argument from 24 hours to 365 days when it wasn't part of the original argument in the first place. "You shift argument, without adjusting parameters to fit." Please show me where did I shifted the argument? Your argument was that is was physically impossible to generate power at night, and I responded that technically, it is possible if the plants are located where there is sunlight even at midnight. "You moved location, without adjusting for specifics of location." You never mentioned anything about location, you just said it was physically impossible for a solar plant to generate power at night, and I just shown that is is physically possible that's all. "And i did exactly that, adjusted argument based on new conditions." So you admit to adjusting the argument from 24 hours to 365 days? Furthermore, you claimed it was my argument (you said: "So your argument still does not work.") but when did it become my argument? "You concentrate on meaning of one word, not on context of entire sentence." Didn't you yourself concentrate on a single word yourself? You said: This is why i said "AND" so you are calling attention to one word (mind you a word that is entirely missing because you misspoke) then tell me which word are you referring to. Because the only word linking United States to those 5 backwater countries in your sentence is the word "ASIDE" which has a different meaning from "AND". "In addition to that term "aside" has multiple meanings, in this case "to or toward the side". As something adjacent." But those other meanings don't apply to the context of your sentence. You're not referring to 5 countries towards the side or adjacent to the US, you're saying "putting US out of the way" when you said: "Aside of the US, there is like 5 backwater countries..." "Fact? You havent established that he is an American Youtuber to begin with." Cyrus Janssen was born in the United States, it says so on his channel page. "I have no idea what country citizenship he has, but it does not even matter, as he is an expat." He was born in America. You claim he is an expat, but what sort of expat? American expat of course, because that's his country of origin. "Only he can say what kind of YouTuber he identifies himself as. So unless you have any evidence of that, your argument is completely false." Look at his channel page, his introduction video is titled: "American Speaks Fluent Chinese and Shares China Story" so he considers himself an American. It's so easy to look up this information, yet you already prepared a response in case my argument is "completely false?" "Troy ounce is an internationally accepted unit of weight measure for precious metals." Yes it is. The symbol for troy ounce is "t oz" or "oz t". "It is not the same as US ounce, even if both have same origin in Ancient Rome." Correct. The American symbol for ounce is "oz" and being an American himself, Cyrus used the American ounce when when talking about gold. At 6:10 of the video, Cyrus wrote: $3,000 / OZ instead of using the symbol for troy ounce. It's a common mistake by Americans since they are so used to their version of the ounce. Therefore, my statement that "Look, Cyrus even uses the American unit OUNCE when talking about gold, so how is he not an American YouTuber?" still stands. "Particularly funny statement, considering how you write "It appears you don't even know Cyrus' channel all that well." right after that." It's precisely because I know Cyrus' channel quite well, that I spotted this common mistake of his. On the other hand, you've seem to demonstrate that you don't know his channel that well. BTW, if you want more proof, look at his previous video before this, the one titled: "Americans CAN'T Believe What China is Building in the Arctic Now!" and in that video, he uses the American unit MILES when he says China is thousand of miles away from the Artic. Later in the video he also said then journey thousand of miles to the Indian Ocean. Therefore, I don't see anything wrong with using the units that Americans are familiar with here on his channel, such as Fahrenheit.
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  25880.  @urbanistgod  China's economy won't work without censorship. Look at India, world's largest democracy, and it doesn't have censorship like China, it has world's 2nd largest population so its workforce is similar to China's. Many Indians speak English (favorable for Westerners) but most Chinese struggle with English even today. India is also founding member of WTO in 1995, whereas China had a late entry in 2001. Yet despite these advantages India has, China has long overtaken India in many sectors. -China is world's 2nd largest economy, India is world's 7th. -China has world's 2nd highest military spending, India has world's 5th. -China has world's 2nd highest research spending, while India is 6th. -China has literacy rate of 96.4%, India has literacy rate of 72.1%. -China has Global Hunger Index of 7.5(low) whereas India's is 31.4(serious) -China is world's 3rd largest arms exporter. India is world's largest arms importer. -China has produced many Chinese companies like Huawei, Xiaomi, ZTE, Oppo, Alibaba, Tencent, Baidu, JD, Meituan-Dianping, NetEase, Bank of China, ICBC, AgBank, China Construction Bank, State Grid, Sinopec, China National Petroleum, China Minmetals, Ping An Insurance, China Shipbuilding Industry, China State Shipbuilding, and many of them made into top business magazines like Forbes Global 2000 or Fortune Global 500 Sources: List of largest banks wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_largest_banks List of largest Internet companies wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_largest_Internet_companies Forbes Global 2000 wikipedia.org/wiki/Forbes_Global_2000 Fortune Global 500 wikipedia.org/wiki/Fortune_Global_500 List of the largest shipbuilding companies wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_the_largest_shipbuilding_companies But where are all the famous Indian companies?
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  25886.  @srivthefour7468  Let's get this straight. Jail time is not fun and games. You have committed a crime and broken laws, so you are being punished by being sentenced to jail for your crimes. But jail time in the USA isn't working to reform criminals, because many released ex-convicts don't return to proper society, and many return to life of crime, and wound up back in jail. Because to them, life is easier in jail than it is outside, that's why US prison populations have swollen to the point it becomes a burden on US resources. China observes Capital Punishment, which not only frees up resources from upkeep and maintenance of prison populations, but it also acts as a severe deterrent for would-be criminals, by making them fearful of the consequences of getting caught. In the West, capital punishment is rare, so many criminals in Western countries commit crimes, thinking that they can always get away with it, because they won't be sentenced to death. Your soft punishments are making it more "attractive" for potential criminals to turn to life of crime. Even if you don't execute them, China also has reeducation camps in which people are receiving free education and being trained in skills necessary to prepare them for the workplace. How is this a bad idea? The ultimate goal of prison is to reform citizens to become productive members of society, not encourage people to stay in jail and waste their life away. And what's the link between prisoner incarceration and capital punishment, and having an elected government? Are you simply trying to take potshots at other countries form of government?
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  25889. +What are you looking at? I think you aren't real Chinese at all when you even got my name wrong. +Captain Midnight China is against North Korean nuclearization as well and Chinese government clearly stated that they oppose North Korean missile testing. So why is it China's fault? Japan was the one who invaded North Korea during WW2, and now you are shielding Japan from North Korea if they choose to retaliate? You are clearly biased against Japanese warcrimes that's all. What does your own personal opinion about Japanese go to do with what they think? If Japanese truly oppose war, then why did they even invade China in the first place and start Sino-Japanese war? You keep bringing up your own personal experience, and completely ignore whole history of China-Japan war and leave it out of your discussion. Japanese war is real history that really happened, despite what Japanese people think, so again how can you even use your own personal opinion as a point here? Japan already have "criminal" record here isn't it? Now you are in Philippines and claim that Philippines do not care? You think you can represent people solely based on which country you visited? You can't answer a question about Asian culture, so you resort to claiming Chinese censorship? Even Koreans are protesting Japanese denial of "comfort" women and that is still happening regardless of Chinese censorship, so what do you even understand about the relations of East Asians towards each other? This is non-Chinese and non-censored source about Koreans protesting against Japanese bbc.com/news/magazine-22680705 so why blame Chinese censorship here? You claim people don't care about Japanese warcrimes then what about these elderly women who personally experienced such suffering at hands of the Japanese? Here is video about Philippines protesting outside Japanese embassy youtube.com/watch?v=mEMX2Qwctq8 It is completely unrelated to Chinese censorship. You have demonstrated that you clearly know nothing about the relations between China, Korea, Japan, Philippines, etc, and so on. You claim to have visited or lived in those countries but you don't even have any evidence to show what the locals think of Japanese wartime atrocities.
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  25890. +Rhyan Jill Baytos Philippines only fought Japan for 3 years, from 1942-1945, whereas China fought Japan for 13 years from 1931-1945 (Sino-Japanese War) and worst is Korea, who was under Japanese occupation for 35 years from 1910-1945. Even Europeans fought Nazis for only 6 years from 1939-1945. So even if you or your grandfather don't resent the Japanese, what about Koreans and Chinese who suffered under Japanese hands for more than 10 years? +Captain Midnight You clearly shown that you are not Japanese, neither are you Korean, Filipino, etc. so what justification do you even have to speak for Japanese people not want war or for Filipinos? You claim I am Chinese apologist, then aren't you being Japanese war apologist? Everything I said about Japanese war atrocities is completely dismissed by you, so what even makes you qualified to speak for Asians at all? Why are you even interfering in Asian issue in the first place, if you weren't not affected by Japanese war? Like I said, just because you talk to some Japanese people, means you are somehow qualified to represent all Japanese people? Have you actually asked Japanese people what they felt about Japan during WW2? There are Japanese people today continuing to believe that they were the victims of WW2, because of American bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki, so again, why are you being apologists for Japanese war crimes? You keep on saying Japanese of the past aren't the Japanese today, is somehow going to placate the victims of Japanese aggression? Why don't you tell that directly to the elderly S. Korean comfort women today? If North Korea is targeting US bases in Japan, then why does Japan continue to let US military bases occupy its lands in Okinawa? There are even cases of US troops stationed in Okinawa raping the locals, and the Japanese government can't do anything about it. According to the following source, Okinawa’s anti-base governor, Takeshi Onaga, told the crowd he regretted being powerless to prevent crimes by US military personnel, two decades after the abduction and rape of a 12-year-old girl by three US servicemen. Thousands in Okinawa protest alleged rape by U.S. sailor japantimes.co.jp/news/2016/03/22/national/thousands-protest-in-okinawa-over-alleged-rape-of-japanese-tourist-by-u-s-serviceman/ I take my sources outside of Chinese censorship, so again, why are you constantly bringing up Chinese censorship in the first place? You have finally revealed that you are American, so again, why do you care about Asian issues between Japan, Korea, Philippines, etc? You aren't Asian, so what do you know of Asian issues? After Japanese surrender, American shielded Japan from any further retaliation by China, Korea and other Japanese victims, so why did USA choose to protect the aggressor country of WW2? You are clearly being Japanese war apologist, so what right do you have to speak for Asians? Even today, Japan is being target of North Korean Nuclear missiles because of America, like you said isn't it?
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  25891. I don't know why you people keep claiming everything I said is Chinese propaganda, propaganda, propaganda. when Western sources have also demonstrated the level of atrocity Japanese soldiers stooped to. During Unit 731, Japanese soldiers conducted ghastly inhumane experiments on Chinese prisoners, including men, women and even children, such as live vivisection without anesthesia, removing organs to study the effect of diseases. The person was kept alive and conscious during the experiment, because the Japanese thought that death of the subject would affect the results. People had their limbs frozen and amputated to study blood loss, sometimes removed and attached to opposite sides of their bodies. There were even unlucky prisoners who had their stomachs removed and oesophagus reattached to the intestines, just to see how long humans can survive without the stomachs. Chinese women had it the worst in Unit 731. Japanese scientists injected prisoners with Sexually Transmitted Diseases and forced them to spread the STD to other prisoners at gunpoint and impregnate female prisoners. They then cut open the wombs of the mothers to study the effect of STD on fetuses, often resulting in death of mother and child. Some Japanese even conducted experiments on children they fathered with female prisoners. Imagine if you were prisoner in Unit 731, injected with STD and forced to have sex with prisoners at gunpoint. Imagine if you are woman, being raped and impregnated and being vivisected to have experiments conducted on your baby. If Japanese wanted to study STD, why not inject everyone with STD, instead of injecting one persons and forcing them to spread it to other prisoners? After Japanese surrender, the Japanese destroyed most of the evidence (so there could be even more chilling stories left untold) and America granted the Japanese responsible for Unit 731 immunity, in exchange for acquiring the data Japanese scientists gleamed from Unit 731. So why are people like Captain Midnight being apologists for Japanese war crimes? Because he/she is American? Why everything I said is considered propaganda and dismissed immediately, simply because I am Chinese? You mean just because Japan surrendered after WW2, suddenly means all is forgiven? Source Wikipedia: Unit 731 en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unit_731
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  25892. +Robert Kyle I don't understand, what has "Is Italty BETTER than England" even got to do with this topic? This topic is about Japan and China, not Italy and England, so what is wrong with bringing up historical issues between Japan and China? Those historical issues have largely influenced the modern Japan and China's relationship. So far, majority of my topics is about Japan and China, so am I actually straying off topic at all? What about you suddenly trying to digress by introducing Italy and England into this discussion about Japan and China? Just glance through this thread and you can see many cases of people expressing derision for China, so why do you claim I am selectively ignoring stuff? Are you also selectively ignoring what others have said about China too? People have said "China is sh!t country" and expressing various human rights violations in China and about noisy, loud and rude Chinese tourists, but you act blind towards those comments? Who are you to claim I am selectively ignoring stuff, when apparently you do it as well? You are correct in that 100 years has not been rosy for China. During the 19th century, the British wanted to continue drinking our tea, but Chinese people didn't want to sell it, so they waged two wars with China which we lost and were forced to buy opium from them at gunpoint, which we didn't want, because it made us sick and was poisoning our people. The British forced open Chinese port cities, like Shanghai, to act as drug distribution hubs to spread the addiction throughout rest of China. The port city of Hong Kong was even taken from China, and when British renounced their colonial rule, Hong Kong should have been fully returned to China, instead of being "half-returned" with its own existing government. Exactly what did China ever did to countries like Britain and Japan to deserve this? China gifted your countries with inventions like paper, printing, compass and gunpowder, but you have used guns to wage war on China and steal our lands and territories and forced drugs onto Chinese people to weaken our country. China did not invade your countries to visit such atrocities upon your people. All we want is to be left alone and to defend our homes and protect our loved ones. You claim this is being "victim" complex, when your countries soldiers are the ones on Chinese territories? Which country in the world does not protest the presence of unwanted foreign troops on our territory? You think this "victim" mentality does not have any basis behind its creation? Once again, who are you to force Chinese people to forgive what Japan did to China back during WW2? Even today, there are Jews who can't forgive Germany for what they did to their people, so who are you to tell Chinese people to forgive their scars? You are not the real victims here, so how do you know their pain, and to tell them to forgive just like that? Can't you even see that you are being Japanese war apologist here? Everything I said about Japanese war crime is instantly dismissed by you, so why do you choose to do that with Japan?
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  25893. +Owen Ooi It is your own personal opinion about what you feel about China and Japan. I don't understand why I can't "rant" about Japan's past, but you can rant about China's past? The Great Chinese Famine of 1950s was also partially due to natural causes, so why are you blaming it entirely on Mao Zedong's failure? He can't control the weather to prevent famine, and according to reports submitted from the farming collectives, everything was proceeding smoothly and there was enough food, so of course, Mao would suspect nothing is amiss. The Great Leap Forward was expected to last 5 years, but after it was discovered it wasn't working, it was shut down after 3 years and investigated by the communist party. Mao Zedong later made a self-criticism and stepped down from being state chairman, and the communist party has long since, admitted the failures of Mao's Great Leap Forward. I also don't understand why you equate Chinese people being unintentionally starved as being on the same level as Japanese invading China to commit atrocities. The majority of war crimes during Malayan Emergency were actually committed by the British. According to en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_war_crimes#1948.E2.80.931960:_Malayan_Emergency -War crimes: In the Batang Kali massacre, about 24 unarmed villagers were killed by British troops. The British government claimed that these villagers were insurgents attempting to escape but this was later known to be entirely false as they were unarmed, nor actually supporting the insurgents nor attempting to escape after being detained by British troops. No British soldier was prosecuted for the murder at Batang Kali. -War crimes: includes beating, torturing, and killing by British troops and communist insurgents of non-combatants. -War crimes: As part of the Briggs' Plan devised by British General Sir Harold Briggs, 500,000 people (roughly ten percent of Malaya's population) were eventually removed from the land, had tens of thousands of their homes destroyed. Note: Communists insurgents did commit war crimes but they weren't at the same level as the British according to the above source. North Korea was China's ally back then, and had aided Chinese communist party in fighting the KMT and eventually founding People's Republic of China. China only joined the Korean war, because USA had joined in supporting South Korea against North Korea and to repay North Korean help during Chinese Civil War. Japan was occupied by American forces after WW2 surrender, which disarmed it, so how could it have possibly committed any more war crime under US occupation? Aren't you being biased here as well? Even today, Japan is bound by 1945 WW2 treaty (Article 9 of Japanese Constitution) forbidding it from going to war, so of course they can't declare war on other countries so easily now. I don't understand why you people are being Japanese war crime apologists, constantly dismissing Japanese war crimes" and saying "Forgive them" or "Don't blame the current generation" and then you contradict yourselves when you don't forgive Chinese crimes against our own people and blame current generation of Chinese being rude and noisy. Do you people actually notice the irony in your own comment, before excusing the war crimes of Japanese, and proceeding to blame Chinese people for crimes against our own people? You can forgive Japanese crimes against Chinese, but not Chinese crimes against Chinese? I mean, are you people really blind and fail to see the hypocrisy within your own remark? You can forgive Japanese war crimes, and then next moment blame Chinese people for crimes not committed against your countries? What act did China do that rivals the war crimes Japanese soldiers committed on Asia? Even if France, Germany, UK, Japan recovered post-war, they did not succeed to become world's 2nd largest economy, or to have strongest military to be potential rival to USA. You are Chinese Malaysian, so you grew up outside of China, and weren't subject to China's turbulent periods during 1940-1970s. So what do you know of China's struggles during that period? Modern China was built by Chinese living in China during those chaotic periods, not by Malaysian Chinese, so what does China care about Malaysian Chinese like you? You left our homeland to seek better life in Malaysia, while the rest of China stayed and brought China up from poor, starving country into economic juggernaut with strong army capable defending China from further invasion. Nobody cares about China, except Chinese people. Nobody can defend China except Chinese people. Nobody wants to see China succeed as a nation, except Chinese people. Even Chinese people like you who left China, and continue to detest their homeland after leaving. Aren't you almost the same as foreigner mindset now? You have adopted Westerner views and now despise your homeland, despite its struggles and successes, and forgiven Japan for its crimes.
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  25895. +Captain Midnight "Philippines only fought Japan for 3 years." What is wrong about the above statement? Did I talk about Philippines war with Spain or United States? Why are you bringing those issues into this discussion about Japan and China? Whether I answered his questions or not, is between me and him, not you, so what are you butting in? You gave no indication of your ancestry, only that you refer to yourself as American, so how do you expect me to know your exact ancestry? So you mean just because its a new generation of Japanese, means the slate is somehow wiped clean? And the new slate only records "modern" Chinese atrocities? What sort of biased thinking is this here? You constantly label me a bigot, but then, there are other people that haven't forgiven Japanese war crimes. Look at South Korean "comfort" women who are now in their senior age. They clearly protest against Japanese mislabeling of comfort women, so are you man enough to call these grandmothers "bigots" like what you are doing to me? I don't insult you or call you names for your views, so why are you resorting to insulting me now? I am not alone in protesting Japanese war crimes and I have shown videos of Koreans and Filipinos protesting, so why you label me a bigot? Footage of Korean women sexually enslaved by Japanese soldiers in WWII revealed for the first time youtube.com/watch?v=GIC481VxVlE You never did answer my questions about what Japanese people felt about Japan during WW2?. You just claimed to have talked to Japanese academia that's all. But Japanese academia do not necessary represent the views of all Japanese. Whenever did I defend the atrocities committed by Chinese government? I admitted to Mao's disastrous policies many times in my posts, so who are you to constantly label me an apologist? On the other hand, you are clearly dismissing Japanese war crimes many times (and even claiming not to dismiss it) so again, how are you not being Japanese war crime apologist here? You label me illiterate when you don't even read carefully what I said? Most of your comments is just you hurling insults at me. Do I ever call you bigot or use vulgar language against you, simply for expressing your views? Why resort to low brow insults against me, when you have no content to show for your claims? Americans are using Japan as forward base, and because of that, North Korea is targeting Japan, so isn't the current crisis in East Asia the fault of Americans? Who is the country sending warships and aircraft carrier strike groups halfway across the globe to Asia here? You claim to be doing "something" political about your government, but what exactly have you done, when Americans voted for Trump? I use non-Chinese websites for my information, so again, what has Chinese censorship got to do with this issue at all? What about South Koreans protesting Japanese ignoring "comfort" women? You see, you claim to represent Japan or Philippines or Americans, but you fail to provide any proof. I have shown examples of protestors in South Korea and Philippines, so what has Chinese censorship got to do with my sources? What do you know about protests in China? Everyday, many Chinese people are protesting against issues like corruption in Chinese government, or forced relocation, or poor working conditions and low wages, etc. In 2006, the Chinese Academy of Social Sciences estimated the number of annual mass incidents to exceed 90,000, and Chinese sociology professor Sun Liping estimated 180,000 incidents in 2010. so roughly there are around 490 protests going on in China every day on average. Protest and dissent in China en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protest_and_dissent_in_China You know nothing about China, so why do you presume that Chinese people do not protest against the government?
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  25898. Robert Kyle You claimed that I am the one who strayed off topic? Who is the one bringing in Italy and England here in a discussion about China and Japan? Actually the video is about superficial differences between China and Japan, while this thread (started by cho Tech guy) is about Japanese as evil nation and about working life in China and Japan, so how can you even claim that I am going off topic here? You are the one being dense here not me, and are attempting to hijack this thread to talk about Italy and England. British only fought Japan for 3 years from 1942-1945 whereas China fought Japan for 13 years from 1931-1945. Britain was invaded by Nazis while China invaded by Japanese, so our countries respective hatreds are towards our respective enemies. In the same way, Chinese soldiers don't harbour much resentment towards Nazis like British troops, so what is your point here? You are the one first mentioned that "these 100 years have not been rosy for China" so what is wrong with my elaboration on the 100 years of humiliation? It has profound effect on China even till today, and it occurred in 19th century, whereas between France and British was in 1700s. So obviously 19th century is closer than 1700s so why are you labelling my claims ridiculous? France and Britain had 200-300 years to mend their ties, whereas China and Japan had only 100 years. Again when did I ever claim Chinese government did no wrong? You people are obviously putting words that I did not say into my mouth. I have mentioned many times that Chinese government made mistakes, but your selective vision conveniently ignores my statements every time. You must be replying on the wrong thread, if you claim that "we all want to see China succeed". It clearly does not apply to everyone in this thread. Can you actually name any positive encouragement expressed by the foreignersin this thread towards China, our people and government? Otherwise, how can you claim that you all want to see China succeed? I am not blind to the numerous hostile comments directed against my country, but apparently you appear to be. China's government is not perfect and there were many mistakes made under the communist party but nobody's government starts off knowing how to government a country, especially one as big as China. 30 years ago, nobody ever thought Chinese communist party would ever succeed economically or to ever play a major part in the world. When Soviet Union dissolved, many people expected communist China to follow suit, but decades gone by and the government didn't collapse and instead, China is world's 2nd largest economy and a major player in global politics, building a strong army PLA to protect our country and also building roads and infrastructure in other countries. Why are you people picking at our government's flaws instead of celebrating China's success? China's success was founded by our government and people, so who are you people to mock our government system when it has brought such success? It's not easy governing a country as big as China, and surely our government deserves a chance to pursue success with our current system. You claim I am being racist, then exactly what racist remarks did I even said at all? Is pointing out Japanese war atrocities somehow racist? Why is that so? Those ghastly events truly happened, so why is pulling it out of history to support my point considered racist? I feel bad for Chinese women who were raped and impregnated by Japanese. I also feel bad for prisoners injected with STD and forced to have sex at gunpoint to transmit the disease (when simple injection will do) I feel sad for poor South Korean grannies who were accused of being prostitutes and will probably die without being recognised for their suffering in history. How is all of these feelings racist at all? In conclusion, you are partially right in claiming that nationalistic feelings define the relations between China, Japan and also Korea. But my question is, who first caused the relationship to deteriorate to such a state in the first place?
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  25899. Captain Midnight Why don't you tell me when I even quoted Philippines and Yasukuni shrine at all? You people are really putting words in my mouth and claiming that I said such things. Again you people result to foul language and insulting me, when you can't come up with a plausible explanation. So when exactly is the slate wiped clean and when are new atrocities inscribed on it? Chinese government has long acknowledged failure of Mao's policies and moved on, so why isn't the slate cleaned for China then? Mao's Cultural Revolution wrecked havoc in Tibet and many Tibetan temples were destroyed (as I acknowledged previously) so why is China's government blamed for rebuilding destroyed temples? Tibetans today have free education up to university and the Chinese government has built roads and railway in Tibet as well as streetlights, electricity, water and gas in Tibetan houses. So why do you still claim the atrocities are still happening in China? Where's your real proof? Tibetan population today On the other hand, what is Japanese government doing to pay back the victims? You people keep on jumping to defend Japan but what exactly has Japan done to make up for its crimes? Why does Japan PM visit Yasukuni? What about those poor South Korean grannies trying to get recognition for their suffering? If you support their cause, then why you label me bigot and not them, when they are true victims of Japanese imperialism? The rest of your statements are just more insults being hurled at me. When did I ever use such foul language or insults against you? Just because your beliefs differ from mine? Who is being immature by resorting to vulgarities instead of actually addressing my points? And you still call me a kid when you cuss and swear at me? I don't protest against Chinese government because I believe it's on the right track. Our government made mistakes in the past, but today it's on the path to a better future. Older communist members with hardline communist views are slowly retiring and dying off, while younger Western educated Chinese are taking up the mantle of leadership in the communist party. Our political change is slow and controlled, not immediate and rapid like President Trump replacing Obama. Why can China be allowed to pursue our own form of governance differ from that of the West? Nobody said ever country has to follow Western democracy in order to be successful, and China is living proof of that. You people have made it very clear that you wish ill upon China, our people and government with your malicious remarks and obscenity. There is no entertaining the remote possibility of you people actually caring about China's success at all. But my three points still stand unanswered. -Why am I getting flak for pointing out Japanese atrocities? Is it wrong to do so? -Why is everyone so quick to jump to Japan's defence? It's unnatural and you people aren't even Japanese for cry out loud, so why claim to speak for Japanese people defense? -I never said China's government is perfect (unlike what you people keep claiming) and Chinese government has committed atrocities on Chinese people. But that is for us Chinese people to rectify ourselves, so why you people claim to speak for Chinese people defense? I can't stop you people resorting to mocking me with vulgarities if you want to. But don't expect me to even take you seriously at a when you argue by cussing.
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  25903. You people are simply too much... I started flinging sh!t at Japanese? Look at all the sh!t you people fling against Chinese people! Why is it you people can get away calling Chinese people loud and noisy, but I can't even criticism Japanese people? Do you people put Japanese people on pedestal and worship them, until they are beyond criticism? The Yasukuni Shrine incident is not only felt by me, but by Chinese people as well as South Koreans. Wouldn't you people fee outraged, if Germans enshrined Hitler and worshiped him? Why are you people constantly dismissing my claims as trivial, when other Chinese people and even South Koreans have expressed regret over Japanese politicians visit to Yasukuni? I am not alone in my feelings towards Yasukuni, and others have joined as shown in following source. Korean gov't expresses regret over Japanese politicians' visit to Yasukuni Shrine youtube.com/watch?v=kkH90oEKSBs So, why can't I blame the younger generation of Japanese when they are the ones honoring Class-A Japanese war criminals? You people just cover up for Japanese's atrocities, both the younger generation and old, when you people aren't even the real victims here? Even today, Japanese textbook controversy results in Japanese publishers omitting details of Japanese atrocities out of some of their historical textbooks. In Germany, it is illegal NOT to mention Hitler and the Nazi atrocities in their textbooks, but apparently this does not apply to Japanese textbooks and they have doctored textbooks to downplay Japan's event in WW2. Why is this acceptable for you people? You blame me for blaming the younger generation of Japanese, when they are the ones refusing to acknowledge Japanese atrocities? I have already shown many cases of young Japanese refusal to accept historical details of Japan during WW2, so why are you blaming me constantly and labeling me a bigot? Searching for the Truth: Japan’s Textbook Denial youtube.com/watch?v=VtQcA2XcTAs Once again I have never denied Chinese government atrocities. In Tibet, only Tibetan monks who separatists are targeted and I already shown that these disputes are political and nature and often overplayed to act as propaganda against Chinese government. For example, Labrang Jigme claims to have been beaten for 2 days. But there are no visible wounds on his body, and neither are there pictures of his wounds. If you were really beaten, won't you take pictures of your wounds to act as solid evidence, instead of simply claiming to be beaten? Where is your real evidence of atrocities against Tibetans? Tibet population have been steadily increasing for the past few decades. According to the following source, Tibet's population was 1.14 million in 1951, when China first took over, but today, Tibet's population has tripled to become 3 million today. So where are your so-called atrocities being committed against Tibetans? Facts & Figures: Tibet's population is.china-embassy.org/eng/zt/ChinasTibet/t427565.htm Falun Gong are notorious for using false allegations in order to propagate their view and gain sympathy for their cause. If you clearly claim to have evidence of Falun Gong organ harvesting, then why not approach Chinese government with the proof and confront them directly by taking them to court over this issue altogether? If there's evidence for such inhuman treatment, then why not expose this evidence to public? Once again, I have never denied that Chinese government did atrocities against Chinese people and you people are putting words in my mouth. If Filipinos (or their grandfathers and grandmothers) don't care about Yasukuni, then I don't pursue this issue. Once again, I never said that Filipinos have to care, but does that give you the right to deny Chinese and Koreans from protesting about Yasukuni? Once again, I shown that China and Korea suffered for longer period (13 and 35 years respectively) under Japanese occupation, than did Philippines (3 years). If you claim I am downplaying Philippines victimhood, then the numbers do not lie, Am I really the bigot here? Who is the one resorting to vulgar language, just because my views differ from yours? Who are the ones insulting me with derogatory terms and calling me bigot? I don't insult you people with words, simply because your views differ from mine, so who here is the real bigot? Who started calling others bigot in the first place? This video has ZERO political angle, that I agree. But this thread, started by choo Tech guy is clear in its intentions, so who are you people to tell me that I am going off track and hijacking this thread? Why is my topic off topic? 19th century IS closer than 1700s, and this is fact. Who is the one first brought up that the last 100 years have not been rosy for China? Why you bring up this issue, then suddenly claim that I am splitting hairs over bad things countries did hundreds of years ago? During the Boxing Rebellion in 19th century, Chinese people wanted foreigners to stop selling opium to us and to leave Chinese lands. But eight nations (USA, UK, Italy, Russia, France... ... even Japan) banded together and form alliance to invade China to kill Chinese on our own turf. There was even cases of mass looting and even rape of Chinese women by the Allies. After the rebellion, China's territories was carved up like a pie and given to the victorious allies, even when they are the ones invading Chinese soil. Chinese government was also forced to pay hefty reparation fines to all eight nations who invaded China to loot our treasures, kill our men and rape our women. Like I said, the only ones who care deeply for China's interest, are Chinese people living here. The only ones who can defend China from foreign invasion, are the Chinese soldiers in PLA. Those that want to see China succeed as a nation, are the Chinese people who went through "hell" for 100 years. "Hell" that you foreigners keep on dismissing again and again. You think building a nation such as China is easily accomplished? Why don't other countries rise to become world's 2nd largest economy if it were that easy, or to have world's 2nd largest military budget, like China? It is clear that most of you people hate China, our people and government, so why pretend to care for China's success at all? Why can't you name any positive points about China expressed by people on this thread? But in this thread, there are so many examples of people jumping to defend Japan for their war crimes. So how can you claim that you people actually care for China's success? Old China is our mother, where we were born and nurtured, and Modern China is our baby, built painfully by the sweat, blood and tears of Chinese people living here. It is not perfect entity and foreigners to our lands may disdain China, but it is our creation, made by the hands of Chinese people. Who are you people to constantly tell Chinese people what we should do or how to behave? You don't like our precious creation, then you are free to leave and never come back. China does not need foreigners who don't share our interests but still pretend to.
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  25904. +Captain Midnight Why are you blaming me for what other people said about the Tsunami that hit Japan? The Tsunami is act of nature that swept across Japan, and not of China's doing, whereas Japanese invasion of China was premeditated and an act of war, so both of those events are entirely different so exactly what is the link here? Since when is enshrinement of war criminals a "petty" event? Millions of Chinese, Koreans and other people died by the actions of Class-A war criminals, and yet, these people are allowed to be enshrined within the Japanese holy ancestral shrine? Like I said, what if Hitler and Nazism were enshrined by Germans, and people are publicly able to worship them? You constantly attempt to trivialize such a thing as being "petty" and dismiss it, when it concerns the treatment of war criminals? I already shown that Chinese are not the only ones protesting about Yasukuni, and that Koreans are also doing it, yet you continue to brush off both of our countries' views. I already said Filipinos (including their grandparents) who don't care about Yasukuni at all are allowed not to pursue justice if they don't want to. But that does not mean you can prohibit China and Korean from bringing up Yasukuni. Our countries were affected by Japanese rule for longer duration as compared to Philippines. I am not dragging them into this Yasukuni issue if they choose not to pursue. Regarding your 1st source, did you look at the picture of Larung Gar? It consists of numerous old wooden shanties, stacked side by side, wall to wall, with tin roofs and low hanging electricity cables. It is a fire hazard, and in 2014, there was a fire that destroyed 100 houses in Larung Gar, since the old shacks are adjacent to each other. More than 450 Chinese rescuers, police, and firefighters took part in relief efforts, but the fire had burned uncontrolled for some 11 hours before it was finally extinguished. So Chinese government is demolishing those old, fire-prone structures to make way for modern buildings with running water and electricity. Chinese government is relocating those 5,000 students to temporary housing while Larung Gar is being demolished to make way for new buildings. Fire Destroys 100 Houses at Larung Gar rfa.org/english/news/tibet/fire-01102014181943.html Your 2nd source comes from Central Tibetan Administration, which is the 14th Dalai Lama's exiled government. What makes you think that CTA is able to obtain reliable data about Tibet? It is obviously against China and the CTA is not even a recognised sovereign government by any country. The CTA even receives funding from US CIA in the form of US$1.7 million a year in the 1960s, so isn't it a CIA-sponsored government meant to undermine Chinese rule over Tibet? The CTA is not recognised as a sovereign government by any country en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Central_Tibetan_Administration#Activities_with_other_organisations What are the names of the Taoist disciple, the Uighur farmer, the dozens of Christians and so on? The source can make such vague references without giving away any actual names? How do you expect people to believe this source then? As for Falun Gong harvesting, it is proven to be rumor and was debunked when the number of organs transplants in China do not match up with the allegations of organ harvesting. According to following source, it cannot be true that between 60,000 and 100,000 organ transplants are performed on the Chinese mainland, because the claimed number is equal to the transplant activity of the entire world and is practically impossible, said Jose Ramon Nunez Pena, medical officer of the World Health Organization. He also said that the WHO firmly and without reservation supports China's new ethics-based, transparent organ donor program. Other medical experts like Michael Millis, vice-chairman for global surgery and director at the University of Chicago's School of Medicine Transplant Center, also dismissed the allegations of organ harvesting. Organ harvesting rumors slammed chinadaily.com.cn/china/2016-08/19/content_26531057.htm So I won't admit to anything that has proven to be false according to international experts in the above source.. Chinese government may have committed atrocities, but some allegations are simply made up by Western media to malign Chinese government that's all. Also, you didn't mention anything about Japanese doctoring their historical textbooks to omit WW2 atrocities. Like I said, what if Germany were allowed to edit its history to downplay Nazi atrocities? In Germany it is illegal NOT to mention Hitler or to downplay Nazi crimes, so why is Japan allowed to get away with it? Don't you see the double standards you apply to Japan and German, regarding their war crimes? Althought the atrocities lie with the older Japanese generation, the younger generation of Chinese are the ones publishing such historically inaccurate textbooks downplaying Japan's role in WW2 and are being allowed to get away with it. Japanese history textbook controversies en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_history_textbook_controversies So why do you continue to trivialize this affair? The younger generation of Japanese are not atoning for their ancestors sins, by doctoring their historical textbooks, and continuing to pray at Yasukuni shrine.
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  25905. Why are people constantly shielding the Japanese and cooking up excuses for their war crimes (real atrocities that actually happened) ? Just because you don't care, means you can tell others not to? China and South Korea both suffered for at least a decade under Japanese occupation (13 years for China, 35 years for Korea) You claim "The rest of the world, including Korea, has gotten past the anger and hatred." then I already shown videos of South Koreans protesting Yasukuni Shrine visit by Japanese politician, as well as elderly S. Korean women protesting against Japanese mislabeling "comfort" women as well paid prostitutes. All of this from Korean news not just China's CCTV, so how is this Chinese propaganda? The Tsunami that hit Japan was an act of nature, and not of China's doing. If other people claim that it is act of retribution by god, then why is it considered bigotry? "Retribution" and "Karma" are words that imply that the country did something wrong in the past (the Japanese war atrocities) and is now being punished for it. So why is it bigotry to consider the tsunami an act of punishment for previous grievances? Those atrocities really did happen, so what's wrong with people seeing the tsunami as repaying past crimes? Don't you people truly understand concept of "karma" before calling others bigots? I don't understand why you people continue to call the Yasukuni war shrine visit "petty" and refuse to make comparisons to Germany if they somehow choose to make a shrine to worship Hitler and Nazi. You don't care, gives you the right to tell others not to care? WW2 to many countries, was only 3-6 years (even for Nazism), whereas Japanese occupied China and Korea for more than 10 years, so obviously the circumstances for our countries are different as compared to rest of the world. Who are you people to tell us not to care, when your countries suffered for shorter duration, even for Nazism? No one has even said anything so far about Japanese revision of its historical textbooks. You claim the young Japanese people know their history, then what about those young Japanese that grew up learning from those revised Japanese historical textbooks? You claim young generation of Japanese are not to blame, then why are those historical textbooks being doctored and published by Japanese then? Would you people protest a German historical textbook downplaying Hitler and Nazism? It is already illegal in Germany NOT to mention its war crimes, so again, why are you people constantly making up excuses to defend Japan doctoring its textbooks? If you Filipinos (and your grandparents) don't care about Yasukuni, then do I blame you for not caring? And does this give you people the right to tell Chinese and Japanese not to care? Filipino people still protest to Japanese Embassy about "comfort" women issue just like South Koreans (as shown in one of my previous source), so if you personally don't care as Filipino, does that mean that other Filipinos don't care? Regarding Yasukuni's history, Chinese people didn't care about previous visits to Yasukuni by its politicians for a long time. But it is only after enshrinement of 14 Class-A Japanese war-criminals, did Chinese people began protesting. Chinese people don't mind Yasukuni enshrinement of Japanese war veterans (or even the Chinreisha building honoring those that died in WW2) since those soldiers that died were following orders from above. But it is the Class-A war criminals enshrinement, that Japanese government (i.e. the "younger" generation of Japanese) has probably gone too far here. Not just Chinese and Koreans protest, but also Emperor Hirohito expressed strong displeasure in 1988 over Yasukuni Shrine’s decision in the late 1970s to include Class-A war criminals on the list of people honored there, as shown in this Japanese source. Hirohito visits to Yasukuni stopped over war criminals japantimes.co.jp/news/2006/07/21/news/hirohito-visits-to-yasukuni-stopped-over-war-criminals/ So why can't Chinese and Koreans protest Yasukuni after enshrinement of Class-A Japanese war criminals? What is fundamentally wrong with us protesting? You people keep saying we should live and let live, as long as such further atrocities are prevented from happening in future. But how are we doing that, if we let Japan enshrine its high-level war criminals to worship them? The message it is sending to young Japanese people is "If you commit high level atrocities in name of Japan, you will be enshrined here and worshipped by leaders of Japan". *How are we going to prevent new generation of Japanese from repeating their war crimes, if we allow them to doctor their textbooks to downplay its atrocities? We all don't want Japan to repeat their war crimes, but how can we prevent that, if we allow Japanese to doctor their textbooks and enshrine high-level war criminals? As for Chinese government, you complain about Chinese government demolishing Larung Gar of Tibet and displace 5000 Tibetans, then I have already shown that Larung Gar is fire hazard, with numerous old wooden shacks packed closely together with low hanging electrical cables above its tin roofs. I even shown that there was fire in Larung Gar in 2014, so what's wrong with demolishing Larung Gar's old buildings to make way for modern buildings? This is 21st century, so shouldn't Tibetan students get access to more modern buildings, instead of being packed by the thousands into these unsafe accommodations? The CTA is sponsored by CIA, so how can you trust what it says when it has support from USA, whom is out to malign Chinese government in every way? Its sources just claim a Taoist Monk, an Uighur farmer, etc, etc, without actually naming the people, so why do you still believe what CTA says? On the other hand, I quoted some names of international organ experts from WHO and other organizations, that visited Beijing and denounce rumors of Falun Gong organ harvesting, so why dismiss my source and continue supporting yours? If you claim to have evidence, why not confront Chinese government directly with your proof? I mean, exactly what atrocities are Chinese government committing on minorities that you keep highlighting about? I have Tibetan and Uighur schoolmates, and although I am not personally close to them, they get along fine with other Han Chinese people and thanks to the government, these people are able to acquire an education and graduate to find jobs. Tibetans and Uighurs, being ethnic minorities in China, enjoy special privileges in education, such as having free education up to university/college and given advantage during entry into educational courses. If Chinese government are against minorities like you claim, then why grant Tibetans and Uighurs special privileges such as tax exemption, healthcare benefits and so on? Why spend money to demolish Larung Gar in Tibet to build modern campus, instead of leaving the old place as fire hazard to "kill" off Tibetans? Before 1951, Tibet had zero universities/colleges, but today, many Tibetan universities been build to help increase education level of Tibetans. List of universities and colleges in Tibet en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_universities_and_colleges_in_Tibet You people don't know ANYTHING about China, yet presume to act like you do and claim Chinese media is censored from the truth, when most of you people never even been to China in the first place.
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  25907. +Captain Midnight This is what I don't understand: You are American, but why are you sticking up for Japanese war crimes instead of defending your country? Its extremely unnatural. Just because you don't defend your country from criticism, means I can't defend mine? People like you elevate Japanese people to be above all forms of criticism and constantly worship them on a pedestal. In your definition of bigot, you think Chinese people just simply started hating Japanese for no reason? Japan is the country that earned animosity in Asia in the first place, by invading China and Korea, and visiting many wartime atrocities onto our countries. So why is harboring hatred against Japanese people considered bigotry? Chinese and Koreans hate Japanese for their "actions" and it is these "actions" that earned them hatred, so how is it even related to "race"? If it were another race that committed those atrocities, the victims may still harbor hatred, regardless if the aggressor is Japanese or if the victims are Chinese. "Race" has little to do here with your definition of bigotry, and it is the "actions" that define this hatred in the first place. As for "karma", it is obvious that someone raised in America like you, would understand little of this Asian concept. "Karma" basically means bad things happen to people who do bad deeds. This divine punishment does not necessarily have to apply to you directly, and instead it can be inflicted on your family, your spouse, your kids, your grandchildren and even your village and country. And the punishment need not arrive immediately, it can occur be several decades later, which is part of the belief in karma. So how is claiming that the tsunami that hit Japan is an act of punishment by god, wrong in any way? China did not create that tsunami, and neither did you or me or that guy that first said it. So why are we being labelled as bigots, simply because American like you don't understand the Asian concept of karma? Who are you to "judge" whether a fate is well-deserved or not? You think you are some higher being that is granted the power to judge other people's crimes? Who do you think you are here to call something as not well deserved in the first place? Once again, your link of "bigotry" to "tsunami being a punishment by god for past sins" is weak and illogical. Just because Asians have our own beliefs, means you can constantly discount them as petty and trivialize the matter? Just because you don't care (even about your own government) means you can tell others not to care? I already shown that the Emperor Hirohito is old generation, while the Japanese politicians (like Shinzo Abe) that visit Yasukuni are the younger generation, so again, why are you cooking up excuses to defend the younger generation of Japanese? You claim Japanese have been punished for their crimes, then why is Hirohito (who is Japanese version of "Hitler") not in jail or even executed for orchestrating the entire affair of Japanese Imperialism? From what I heard, at the end of WW2, Hitler escaped punishment by committing suicide in his bunker, whereas the Japanese emperor got away lightly. Don't you see the level of unfairness between German and Japanese treatment after WW2? In my article about Unit 731, people did not know about the horrible experiments committed by Japanese soldiers, because General Douglas MacArthur secretly granted immunity to the physicians of Unit 731, in exchange for providing America with the data of their experiments. But again, you as American is probably going to say something along the lines of "I don't care about America's sins, both past and present" If new generation of Japanese do not support Japanese revised textbooks, then why is there no outright ban on the textbooks? They may be shunned, but not by every Japanese, and there are still schools teaching using those textbooks. What's going to happen to the next generations of Japanese children brought up by the teachings of this textbook? Why is this book even still partially tolerated by Japan in the first place, when such a book would have been immediately banned in Germany, if the subject was about downplaying Nazi warcrimes instead? Atrocities committed against OWN people are vastly different from atrocities committed against OTHER people. It is Koreans who should be concerned about North Korean atrocities, not China, since China does not meddle in North Korea's internal affair. As for Chinese atrocities, the communist party has long since acknowledged the failures of Mao's policies and moved on. Mao's Cultural Revolution had affected Tibet adversely, but also the rest of China suffered as well, and after the revolution, the CPC sent workers to Tibet to help rebuild the destroyed monasteries and temples as well as to help develop Tibetan region. They can't resurrect lost lives, but they can work to make living conditions in our country better. You constantly talk of Chinese government's atrocities, but again no new government is perfect in its rulership, and mistakes are bound to be made during the course of governing a country and the important thing was that the communist party realized their mistakes and abandon their current course to switch to Deng Xiaoping's economic reforms in 1970s. According to World Bank, China’s poverty rate fell from 88% in 1981 to a mere 6.5% in 2012. According to UNESCO, adult literacy rate of China increased from 65.5 % in 1982 to 96.4 % in 2015 growing at an average annual rate of 10.39 %. Under the communist government, China's population doubled and our population life expectancy doubled, despite being as poor as India's in 1960s. So the good thing is that while the communist was on the wrong path initially, it was able to notice it and make changes accordingly. Life Expectancy at Birth in China, Europe, USA and India china-profile.com/data/fig_WPP2010_L0_Boths.htm Poverty in China en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poverty_in_China So what is wrong with giving Chinese government credit, where credit is due? I have never claimed that Chinese government is absolutely perfect (as I reiterated many times) but why can't I defend it when false allegations are made against it? You talk of ethnic minority discrimination, then why are ethnic minorities allowed to have as many kids as they want, whereas Han Chinese subject to population control measures? You mention Falun Gong, but I have already quoted international organ experts from WHO after their visit to Beijing. If you want, here is another article about organ transplant in China, this time with remarks made by Campbell Fraser, an organ trafficking researcher from Australia. He says rumors are still being spread by the Falun Gong cult as well as that China harvested organs from cult members, but "there's no evidence of that whatsoever". "So now this is like a proxy for a political campaign against the Chinese government. The people of the Falun Gong have no interest in transplantations, or in helping the patients. What they are interested in doing is trying to win global support for their campaign against China," he said. Fraser has followed global trends in organ trafficking for years and interviewed countless medical doctors, experts and Falun Gong practitioners. World can benefit from China's expertise in organ donation, Australian expert says chinadaily.com.cn/china/2017-04/22/content_29037519.htm You don't care about so many things, like what happens in your own country, but you somehow care for Japanese war crimes enough to jump to their defense? You constantly label our Asian issues "petty" when civilians are being bombed in Middle East and you don't care? Once again, just because you don't care about making your own country better, doesn't mean other people shouldn't care about making our countries better. Only childish people like you, resort to hurling abusive language when you lack any coherent point to bring up during this discussion.
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  25908. +Captain Midnight You claim to care about your country's issues and to be doing something about it. But exactly what are you doing about it? Your entire post is about defending Japanese war crimes and cooking up lame excuses, and there is hardly anything about defending America at all. Like I said, its unnatural the way you rush to defend Japanese warcrimes, all the while ignoring your own country's problems. Yet you claim to care about your country? Once again, you give the same old stale excuse about old generation and new generation. Take USA for example. The United States was formed on the backs of African slavery, genocide of native Americans, occupation of their lands, and plundering of their natural resources, like gold. Your country was built by laborious efforts of people, like Africans, and also Chinese immigrants to USA, who help build railroads and bridges in America, but the "white" Americans treated the other races like 2nd class citizens, when they are all immigrants to America (except for Native Americans). Racism and minority discrimination still exists in America, and you still complain about minority issues in China? How can you claim to know that these academia on Quora are all authentic Japanese? In Quora, people can easily pose as other races in their posts. Like you said, this is the Internet after all. You may have claimed to have talked to these people personally, but why would they share their intimate country's details about WW2 and innermost nationalist feelings, with a foreigner like you? Japanese well-known for being polite and reserved, so how would you know what they really think, unless you are Japanese-born yourself? For example, do you think such polite and courteous people are capable of such weird game shows, bizarre adult videos and such wicked war atrocities? You are completely fooled by their outward facade and politeness, and know nothing about their innermost thoughts. Again, why do you continue to call Yasukuni shrine visit "petty"? Would you treat a German Chancellor visiting a hypothetical Nazi shrine honoring Class-A criminals as petty? You are obviously trivializing the entire affair and dismissing it, when this issue continues to define relations between China-Japan and Korea-Japan. Look at Wikipedia: China–Japan relations en.wikipedia.org/wiki/China–Japan_relations and you can clearly see that the relationship between China and Japan has been strained at times by Japan's refusal to acknowledge its wartime past. Revisionist comments made by prominent Japanese officials and some Japanese history textbooks regarding the 1937 Nanjing Massacre have been a focus of particular controversy. This is unrelated but for completeness sake: According to Wikipedia: Japan–Korea relations, the relationship soured when the Japanese Prime Minister Junichiro Koizumi visited the Yasukuni Shrine every year during his term. So from the above two paragraphs, why do you claim it is petty affair, when the Yasukuni visits defines the China-Japan and Japan-Korea relations? Such important issue affects our countries' relations, yet you continue to label it "petty"? I already shown many times that Hirohito is the OLD generation, and the younger Japanese politicians are the NEW generations continuing to worship at the shrines, but you blindly refuse to see this. If the young generation didn't visit Yasukuni, then there wouldn't even be any controversy between the generations at all, isn't there? Why do you refuse to see this? The general Japanese people may not believe in the revised textbook, but again, the books are NOT completely banned in Japan, and there will be inevitably be some schools teaching young generation of Japanese using those doctored materials. Otherwise, why not ban the book if everyone disapproves of it? Why is it still allowed to exist? Is it some because of some lingering Japanese reluctance to destroy the book? Once again, I don't understand why American like you continue to jump to Japan's defense every time. About bigotry, what is factually wrong with any of my previous descriptions about Japanese that makes it illogical and irrational? I quoted the Unit 731 atrocities from Wikipedia, so what is factually wrong with my description at all? It is all from Wikipedia, not narrated by Chinese government, so why are you constantly attributing every thing I say to the Chinese government? Those names of international organ experts from WHO and Australia, are they from Chinese government? You are just being extremely prejudice against me and my sources, when you are unable to even prove anything factually wrong with them. Look at Larung Gar being demolished because it consists of very closely packed old wooden houses, filled by 5000+ Tibetans students. Isn't it a real fire hazard, since a fire broke out in Larung Gar back in 2014? This is 2014, so why are Tibetan students still forced to live in such cramp and poor conditions? Which part of this statement is illogical and irrational at all? About bigotry again, if it has nothing to do with race, then why did you bring race into it? You claim I am being bigot for hating Japanese, but what is the source of this hatred? From the Japanese war crimes, which are still not fully addressed even till today, so what's wrong with harboring hatred here? It deals with the "actions" of Japanese, not their "race" so why is it bigotry. If those "actions" had never been committed, or if Japanese fully acknowledge their "actions" then this hatred wouldn't even exist at all, wouldn't you agree? Which part of this argument is illogical or irrational? This hatred didn't just rose out of nowhere. Many people in the world also hate a group of people roughly called "terrorists" so is this considered bigotry as well, according to your definition of hating a group of people? If you had truly known all about karma, then I wouldn't even have to explain its principles to you. You would have known that it affects generations, so why are you labeling me a bigot again? You personally don't believe in it but in Asian countries, belief in karma is prominent and one's actions can affect not just yourself, but your family, etc, etc. This is one of fundamental difference between Westerners beliefs and Asians beliefs. Of course there's no link between the WW2 and the tsunami, (since one is premeditated attack and one is act of nature) so what is wrong with claiming that the Tsunami was divine punishment from above? For the umpteen time, China did not cause the tsunami, neither did you or me or that guy, so how is this bigotry? No one can control when Tsunami will strike. You really feel sympathy for Japanese people killed by natural disaster, but feel nothing for Chinese killed, raped and experimented on by Japanese? I have never claimed to have judge whether the tsunami is well-deserved fate. All I said that it was an act of nature (which you refuse to even acknowledge) and if anyone was "judging" then it was Heaven's will. If you somehow think that that fate was not well-deserved, then why don't you blame the heavens above, instead of Chinese people by labeling us bigots? You clearly harbor extreme prejudice by blaming Chinese people for something we didn't do, yet defending Japanese for something they did on Chinese. Hitler knew he would be executed as Westerners are going to demand his blood, which was why he committed suicide. But Hirohito was promised US protection from retaliation by Japan's victims like Chinese, Koreans and allowed to keep his life. Why did USA resort to protecting the aggressor country of WW2 instead of helping victims seek justice? Just like why Unit 731 was covered up by General MacArthur and the Japanese scientists granted immunity? You claim to be defending USA, but what exactly have you done to defend your country at all in your entire post? All you keep doing is sticking up for Japan every time, instead of USA. Crimes against humanity? Isn't USA also bombing other countries and violating human rights in Guantanamo Bay detention center? What about you constantly being apologist for Japanese war crimes in all of your posts? China is member of UN, but our dealings with North Korea are also on a bilateral (country to country) level which are different from UN's third party interference. If you don't trust my sources, then what reason do I have to trust your sources? For example, CTA is being openly sponsored by CIA, so what makes its source reliable when it says a Taoist monk, or a Uighur farmer, dozens of Christians, etc, without giving any actual information. About your source, I already shown that Falun Gong is a cult, so what is wrong if Chinese government uses our media to expose its crimes? Doesn't the USA also use their media to expose terrorism within their countries? You constantly label Chinese people as bigots for targeting a group of people, when USA also does that by targeting "terrorists" as a threat to national security in the same way? You have shown extreme disinterest in anything regarding America, but conversely, you are passionate about Japan and pour so much effort into jumping in to defend Japanese war crimes. Are you really American-Filipino? Why you claim to care about your country's problems, but said nothing about America, and go into extreme detail about Japan instead? Isn't this unnatural, the way you stick up for Japan, but not America? Why is it you are allowed to defend Japan instead of America, but I can't even defend China? I openly said Chinese government is not perfect, and they have their flaws, but thanks to our government, China is not a puppet of USA, like South Korea or Japan or even ROC (Taiwan) and Philippines to lesser extent. Chinese government fights for our own interests, not for that of USA, unlike those other countries I mentioned above. China relies on PLA for defense, not US forces like in S. Korea, Japan or Philippines.
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  25909. +Chappie99 9 Where your evidence that organ harvesting is still ongoing today? I already shown that international organ experts from WHO and Australia have been to Beijing to observe our organ transplant practices and have already dispelled rumors of ongoing organ harvesting. For example, Falun Gong claims 100,000 organ transplants are occurring every year in China. But according to statistics, the total number of organ transplants in the world in 2015 was 126,670. So how could Chinese government have performed almost as many organ transplants as the rest of the world put together? Source: Estimated number of organ transplantations worldwide in 2015 statista.com/statistics/398645/global-estimation-of-organ-transplantations/ +Captain Midnight If you claim nobody defending Japanese war crimes, then exactly what is this argument all about? If you aren't defending Japanese war crimes, then we wouldn't be having this discussion at all, so why continue to stick up for them, while not claiming to do so? You obviously stick up for them, instead of your own country. Look at the amount of content you posted related to Japan, compared to America. Yet you claim you aren't defending Japan, and that you care for America? I don't know your exact ancestry, but it is possible that you are half-Caucasian, half-Filipino. So obviously you won't hate Caucasian Americans (white), but can you say the same thing for full blooded African Americans (black), Latin Americans (brown), Asian Americans (yellow) and of course Native Americans (red)? Once again, you don't even defend America, but claim to address these minority ethnic problems? In Youtube, Japanese hosts interview Japanese citizens on TV, but again, who would express their own private opinions to the public media, especially about sensitive issues like Yasukuni and Japanese warcrimes? You really simply believe what these Japanese uploaders choose to show on Youtube? In many of such interviews, the more extremist and radical views expressed of people interviewed are omitted and not shown. As for Quora, the only information gleamed about the users are that Akinari Kumazawa is half-Japanese and he clearly refers to himself as regular "Jap" (which is actually an ethnic slur against Japanese) so it is clear that he doesn't even respect his own origins. And Hiro Kuwana, it's only known that he is Buddhist, so how can you prove he is really Japanese? I have already shown how such a "petty" affair can strain the relations between Japan-China and also Japan-Korea. I don't understand why you continue to trivialize such important affair that affects our 3 countries' relations. China and Korea aren't the ones who started the whole thing; Japan did, both by waging war and then continuing to enshrine Class-A war criminals, so how is it our countries are being petty for protesting? The revised textbooks are still not completely banned in Japan, so why is my fault for point that out? Some schools will still pick up those books and teach it to next generation of Japanese, and these kids will grow up thinking Japan did nothing wrong during WW2. So why are you blaming me, instead of the Japanese? Do you want Japanese children to be taught using these doctored teaching materials? In those textbooks, South Korean "comfort" women are referred to as willing well-paid government prostitutes, so why do you think those elderly Koreans are protesting? They will most likely not receive justice and die being remembered wrongly, so why do you continue to stick up for Japan? Why don't you spend time proving how my statements illogical and irrational instead of resorting to insulting me? The textbook revision and Yasukuni visit already show that young generation of Japanese do not fully acknowledge war crimes of their ancestors. I mean, if the current Japanese gov't simply rectified these two issues, then China and Korea would be lesser inclined to protest, isn't it? Old generation like Hirohito clearly knows what his generation did, so why younger generation continue to defend older generation's crimes? Nobody would find fault with current Japanese generation, if they choose to directly address these two issues. You keep saying everything is Chinese propaganda, while I simply shown that Unit 731 is by Western media, so why call me a "tw@t"? Do I call you that? If its not about race, then why bring race into this issue? I have never once leveled anything racist towards Japanese or blamed them because of their race. I pointed out Japanese "actions" not their "race" so how am I being racist at all? What about you people claiming Chinese people are all rude and noisy? Isn't that racist against Chinese? So its rational to "hate" terrorists, but "irrational" to hate Japanese people who defend their warcrimes? Who are you to define what is "hating the right people"? You only see from your own point of view and not others, so how do you define "hating the right people"? You're not even Japanese, so why are you constantly sticking up for them? The Yasukuni shrine visit is political affair between China, Korea and Japan, so why are you as American even butting in? You claim I am not involved, then what is your association to Japan-Chinese relations at all? Just like here, you are claiming I am bigot for believing in Karma. Millions of people in the world believe in karma, so if you don't, then what gives you the right to tell others not to believe? Karma affects people over generations so what is bigoted with our beliefs that you must insult us so? You are half-Asian by ancestry, but it is clear you are full-American in your beliefs. Who are you to mock Asian beliefs of what happens to souls then? My statement makes sense when strung together, but you are deliberately dissecting it so it doesn't make sense when taken apart. Of course there's no link between WW2 and the tsunami, (since one is man-made and the other is natural) so what is wrong with claiming that the Tsunami was divine punishment from above? Did I ever said the two affairs are not linked spiritually? No, I only said one is done by man and other by nature, so obviously they aren't linked in that regard. If China had invaded Japan, then both of them would be man-made affairs, but since tsunami is act of nature, then whats wrong claiming it to be divine punishment from above? Get over it? Who is the one complaining about tsunami victims in the first place? You weep for Japanese being killed by act of nature, but not for Chinese people killed, raped and experimented on by Japanese? One affair could have been prevented while the other was entirely unpreventable, so why are you blaming Chinese and calling us bigots for what happened to Japan? Did China invade Japan or somehow created the tsunami? You don't believe in "guy in the sky" means others have to follow your beliefs? You have entirely failed to show how I am bigoted in any way. I am not racist, and I blame Japanese "actions" not their "race", unlike some of you people stereotyping all Chinese as rude and noisy. I don't mock or insult your beliefs unlike what you keep doing to me. Karma dictates that bad things happen to bad people, over generations, so the tsunami can be viewed as divine punishment by some people. So you call them bigots for their beliefs? Who is the one first mention bigotry in the first place? Excuse me but I never said Hitler was killed by the Allies, only that he knew he would if he was captured alive. Also, how was Hirohito tried in place of his subordinates? During Tokyo War Crimes Tribunal in 1946, many Japanese military and political leaders were tried and executed, but Emperor Hirohito and all members of the imperial family, such as career officer Prince Yasuhiko Asaka, were not prosecuted, so how was Hirohito tried in place of his subordinates at all? What about General MacArthur covering up Unit 731 atrocities? Its alright if you claim US government is corrupt, but when have I ever said that Chinese government is absolutely perfect? Chinese government has corruption, but at least the communist party is taking active steps to crack down on corruption and there are many news of communist party leader exposed for corruption. But when is the last time USA conducted anti-corruption campaign? For example, as a candidate, President Trump promised to release his tax details if he became president, but so far, he hasn't done so. And you people just continue to support him not knowing whether he is clean? Lastly, if you people still believe in Falun Gong organ-harvesting, then why doesn't anyone approach Chinese government with solid proof to expose this matter once and for all? Why doesn't US President Trump confront President Xi directly about Falun Gong organ harvesting? Why didn't Obama administration expose this issue during Obama's term? Do other UN world leaders like Russian President Vladimir Putin or German Chancellor Angela Merkel raise the issue of Falun Gong to President Xi? You people claim to have all these incriminating evidence available, then why don't you take the Chinese government to court over this issue? Even right now, UN human rights focus is on Rohigya crisis happening in Burma, so what makes Falun Gong an issue when no government is willing to take charge of this issue? What use is all your allegations, when you can't even use them to prove anything? I have already shown organ experts from WHO, Chicago and Australia have been to Beijing and dispelled such rumors, and even quoted their names directly. These people are willing risk their international reputation to refute Falun Gong harvesting rumors. In 2015, the total number of organ transplants in 2015 was 126,670, so how can China be performing over 100,000 organ transplants every year, as claimed by Falun Gong? In China, the waiting time for organ transplants in our hospitals is in months, the same as anywhere else.
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  25910. +Captain Midnight My bigoted statements? Who is the one resorting to abusive language, such as "tw@t" and "go F yourself" to attack me personally? I don't use such language against you, simply because your views differ from mine. Just like why is it your observations about Chinese being obnoxious and bigoted is not racist, but I am racist towards Japanese? Can you quote me the statements I made about Japanese is even remotely racist at all? I blame their "actions" not "race" so why you think I am racist, when you clearly are racist yourself? I have already shown that one of the "Japanese" in Quora is actually half-Japanese, and he uses "Jap" (which is ethnic slur) to refer to his race, so how does his view represent that of all Japanese? You ask me to prove their identity, then what about you claiming that the Japanese criminals who are involved in the unit 731 attrocities did express their opinions to the public media? The Japanese burnt and destroyed most of the materials regarding Unit 731, as shown in my Unit 731 source, so why do you still claim the Japanese involved in Unit 731 are "expressing their views to public media" when tragically, many more horror stories are buried? Why do you still stubbornly defend the Unit 731 Japanese? About Japanese books being banned, you clearly said "Do you seriously lack the mental capacity...etc" so aren't you faulting me for pointing out that the revised books are not banned in Japan? Why does the Japanese public tolerate the presence of these revised textbooks? These books will inevitably end up being taught in some Japanese schools and the next generation Japanese schoolkids will grow up ignorant of Japan's crimes during WW2. Why do you continue to attack me personally, while sticking up for the Japanese? We all don't want Japan repeat its war crimes, but how can we do that, when they have textbooks that downplay their crimes? I think it is you who lack the mental capacity to think about the consequences of tolerating such revised books. I have already shown that it is YOUNG generation of Japanese that are visiting Yasukuni Shrine, and publishing those textbooks, not the OLD generation. Old generation like Hirohito is against the Younger Japanese politicians visiting of Yasukuni after enshrinement of Class-A warcriminals, so why can't I blame the younger generation? How is this statement illogical and irrational? You rather prefer to spend your time attacking me personally with insults, instead of actually addressing any of my points. About Yasukuni Shrine visit and Revised textbook, if you read my source about Japan-China relations, then Sino-Japanese relations warmed considerably after Shinzo Abe became the PM of Japan in 2006, and joint historical study between China and Japan in 2010 pointed toward new consensus on WW2 atrocities. [1] foreignpolicy.com/2010/02/09/nanjing-by-the-numbers/ so why you claim China would protest no matter what the Japanese people do? Chinese people didn't protest Yasukuni Shrine visits PRIOR to the enshrinement of 14 Class-A Japanese war criminals so why you think China would continue to protest, even if Japan rectified this situation? Just because you accept Japan's official position, means China and Korea are wrong for not accepting, and we are giving malice to the visits? Who is the one that maliciously choose to enshrine Class-A war criminals in the first place? Why do you continue to defend Japan, and accept their statements, while labeling China and Korea malicious? Our countries are victims of the war, not Japan, which you keep shielding. If Japan have the right to do that in their own country, then why are you constantly bringing up Tibet and Falun Gong in our country? In Larung Gar, 10,000+ Tibetans live in those packed, old wooden houses, so what's wrong with China reducing the numbers by half in Larung Gar to 5,000 and also demolishing the buildings to make way for modern apartments? There was a fire in Larung Gar in 2014, so why can't Chinese government take steps to prevent another fire from happening? Visiting a shrine doesn't mean they are denying their warcrimes, but enshrining Class A Japanese warcriminals is. The message this is sending to younger generations of Japanese is that "Commit these atrocities in Japan's name, and when you die, your remains will be enshrined in Yasukuni and worshiped by future Japanese politicians." Which part of this interpretation is wrong? You think Chinese and Koreans are protesting against Yasukuni without any reason? Your point of view is logic? Then why do you cuss and swear at me constantly for expressing my views, because mine differ from yours? You tell me to "Learn to Context" when you dissect every line of my paragraph so that each line is meaningless on its own, and then proceed to attack me personally? You know the principles of Karma, and that it affects future generations so why are you labeling us "bigots" for believing in it? You said: "Are worms the souls of your ancestors" already shows your contempt so who are you to blame others for their beliefs? *You shield Japanese belief in Yasukuni, while despising millions in the world who believe in karma. Where is the logic here? My statements make sense when strung together, so you dissect them until nobody can understand what each line means on its own. Why are we suddenly talking about treatment of black people in China and Japan? If you Japan isn't racist, then you are looking at wrong the demographic. According to the following source, Japan is very well developed first world country today, but the fact remains it still suffers from xenophobia. Although according to Japanese laws, racism and discrimination are not allowed, the government still practices what is called “positive discrimination”. It has very low tolerance for refugees and people from other countries and it is also known fact that Japan tries its best to not allow entry to Muslims in their country as they think that Islam is not compatible with their culture. Such blatant cases of discrimination are prevalent in the country and nothing is being done about it. Top 12 Most Racist Countries in the World (6th is Japan) listovative.com/top-12-most-racist-countries-in-the-world/ About Hitler, you clearly said: "America wanted to just hang the guy (Hirohito)" so why would they spare Hitler if you compare Hitler's treatment with Hirohito's? How does this analogy not work? So if Hirohito wasn't tried for his crimes, then how does his "plea" to protect his subordinates even work? MacArthur still charged and executed Hirohito's subordinates and spared the royal family, as well as the Unit 731 Japanese scientist? You can clearly see the difference for the victims of Japanese imperialism as compared to victims of Nazism with respect to the treatment of those responsible for WW2. Why then shouldn't Chinese and Koreans protest about this then? The anti-corruption campaign is not just President Xi Jinping's idea ALONE. Every communist party member has to agree to this campaign in order for it to be carried out. Like I said, the Chinese government is not perfect in its implementation of anti-corruption campaign, but at least there is something being done and corruption is being addressed. Trump didn't won the popularity vote? Then why is Trump the president of USA, if he is not the most popular? Clinton is corrupt I agree, so why isn't anything being done about her? Didn't Trump promise to jail Clinton? You mock our Chinese anti-corruption campaign, when USA does nothing about its own internal corruption? About Falun Gong evidence, those resolutions are only passed by USA alone, but not other world leaders like Russia's, Germany's, UK's, France's, etc. If USA has all the evidence, then why doesn't Trump make a fresh appeal to President Xi about Falun Gong then? It is obvious that USA lacks SOLID evidence to properly convict China in court, so how can you go on and on about Falun Gong? The total number of organ transplants IN THE ENTIRE WORLD in 2015 is only 126,670 according to statista.com/statistics/398645/global-estimation-of-organ-transplantations/ so how can you believe that there are over 100,000 transplants every year in China as claimed by Falun Gong? If those International organ experts from WHO, Chicago and Australia are refuted, then exactly who refuted them? According to economist.com/blogs/graphicdetail/2014/12/daily-chart-11 China has one of the lowest organ transplant rates in Asia, even lower than Japan or Singapore, and according to the Bar on China, majority of the organs come from deceased donors (dark blue) instead of living donors (light blue). So how can you claim China has 100,000 organ transplants happening secretly underground? Does China have more organ doctors than rest of the world put together to achieve a figure of 100,000? In China the waiting time for organ donation is as long as most other countries, so how does your Falun Gong organ harvest even hold credit at all, when exposed to these facts? Lastly, all you shown is that you harbor extreme prejudice against Chinese people that's all, while always sticking up for Japan, despite their warcrimes. Anyone can see that you are trying especially hard to defend Japanese atrocities, and that you don't really care about defending America (your country). Why do you care so much about Japan, or that Chinese consider the tsunami that hit Japan as punishment? You don't believe Karma, but you understand it, so what's wrong with millions who believe in karma? The tsunami happened regardless of people's beliefs. You clearly aren't Japanese, so there's nothing at stake if you don't defend them. The shrine and textbooks issues are clearly issues for Japan and China to work out ourselves, not for Americans like you, so cook up excuses for Japan every single time? Are Japanese somehow above all criticism?
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  25911. +Chappie99 9 According to your source, in 2005, China's transplant system was built on harvesting organs from criminals sentenced to death (“executed prisoners”) So isn't this similar as "capital punishment" as defined by other countries, such as the USA in which criminals can be given the death sentence? Every country define their capital punishment laws differently. Under Chinese laws, it was legal to harvest organs from death-row inmates, but prior consent had to be obtained from the inmate himself or his family members. The organs are were also given to the inmates families or relatives. Of course, they were also only taken after the donor was dead, not harvested "live", like Western propaganda always claim. This practice has only been banned since January 2015, so Chinese doctors performing 46 emergency liver transplants, between January 2000 and December 2004 were doing so before the ban was in place. Since when does Falun Gong do yoga? Yoga is Indian exercise not Chinese. Chinese exercise like Qigong have long established history of thousands of years prior to Falun Gong. Falun Gong was only created in 1992, by Li Hongzhi so it has less than 30 years of history, and it hijack existing practices like Qigong which been used in China for thousands of years. That should already sound off warning bells that this is cult in the making. This article culteducation.com/group/1254-falun-gong/6922-is-falun-gong-a-cult.html defines why Falun Gong is considered a cult. The leader, Li Hongzhi is extremely charismatic, and purportedly possesses "supernatural" powers and know "the top secret of the universe" and says "no religion can save people". His followers believe that Li Hongzhi always right and they are not allowed question the basic assumptions concerning his purported supernatural powers, teachings and/or opinions and he remains an absolute, authoritarian leader with little if any accountability. If you try to leave Falun Gong, Li Hongzhi's followers will brand you as "evil". He also encourages hatred of homosexuals, saying, "The disgusting homosexuality shows the dirty abnormal psychology of the gay who has lost his ability of reasoning at the present time," Li Hongzhi wrote in Volume II of "Zhuan Falun," or "Turning the Law Wheel," which was translated into English in 1996. In his talk in Switzerland, Li Hongzhi also stated that gay people would be "eliminated" by "the gods." Asked in Frankfurt, Germany, in 1998 whether gays could practice Falun Gong, Mr. Li answered, "You can cultivate, but you must give up the bad conduct." There are many more reasons listing why Falun Gong is a cult according to above source. Like I told Captain Midnight, if you believe that you have enough incriminating evidence of your own, then you are always welcome to expose this whole affair by taking China directly to court. Otherwise, there is insufficient proof to prove that Falun Gong organ harvesting is still continuing till today.
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  25913. +Captain Midnight You claim that you using abusive language is not bigotry, but somehow, me not retaliating with abusive language is? What sort of twisted logic is this? You're not a bigot, when you are deliberately being offensive? And I am a bigot when I don't stoop to the same low level as you? African Americans are not true Africans in the sense that grew up in Africa, like Nigerians, Somalians, Ethiopians, etc. No true born African would call themselves by the N-word, unlike those African Americans. So in the same way, isn't that half-Japanese who calls himself the ethnic slur "Jap" not a true born Japanese? What more solid proof do you need here? African Americans "aren't" true Africans and neither is that half-Japanese chap who refers to his people as "Jap", Also, Filipinos don't call themselves "Flip", they usually call themselves "Pinoy" so what nonsense are you cooking up here? Your first source does not even mention the Japanese guy who told the first story. Did he even get his due, for cutting open a naked 30-year-old prisoner tied to a bed and dissecting him alive, without anesthetic, to study what diseases does to a person? It says the research was covered up and US army granted immunity to those scientists from war crimes prosecution and instead putting the ringleaders on trial, it gave them stipends. So what punishment did this farmer receive? He is 72-year old, still alive and not being punished. A Russian mother and daughter were gassed to death, the mother vainly trying to cover her child and protect her from the gas. Two Chinese men were "surgical dummies" for Japanese doctors to perform an appendectomy, then an amputation of an arm and finally a tracheotomy, before being killed. Doctors even experimented on a three-day-old baby, with a needle stuck inside the infant's middle finger. Why do you continue defend such atrocities and stick up for them? Imagine if you are one of the prisoners undergoing such procedures. Your source doesn't even mention the testing of STDs and sexual crimes against female prisoners, such as impregnation and conducting experiments on mothers carrying babies. About Japanese revised books, you claim they are doing something about it, then exactly what are they doing? Why aren't the books banned and why are they allowed to exist? Their continued existence, means some Japanese schools are going to teach using those materials, and new generation of Japanese schoolkids will grow up learning the wrong history. Why can't I point this out for fear of future generations Japanese repeating their crimes in WW2? As for Chinese extending Japanese war to begin in 1931, the fact still remains that Japanese forces invaded Manchuria in 1931 and occupied our territories since then. So why can't this date 1931 be the actual starting point of the 2nd Sino-Japanese conflict? Japanese invaders were already occupying Chinese territory by time of Marco Polo incident in 1937. Why is this wrong? For example, WW2 formally began when Nazi Germany invaded Poland in 1939, so why can't Japan invade Manchuria be the starting point of Sino-Japanese conflict? China fought Japan long before Nazis even invaded Poland. About the shrine visits, how is such an event is not "petty" at all, when it affects the bilateral relations between Japan-China and also Japan-Korea as shown in my Sino-Japanese relations. Like I said, China and Korea didn't protest Japanese visiting Yasukuni PRIOR to enshrinement of the 14 Class-A Japanese war criminals. Do you even know who those Class-A criminals are, and what they did? They are the higher-ups responsible for crimes against humanity, like torture and rape that have nothing honorable about it, nor does it benefit the country. They are not the simple Japanese soldiers following orders, like Class-B and below. Why then do Japanese enshrine such high ranking officials in the first place to honor them? Isn't the message saying "Commit those crimes and you will be enshrined" being sent to young generation of Japanese through this actions? If Japan were truly sincere about apologizing for its crimes, why doesn't Japanese government simply remove those 14 Class-A criminal from Yasukuni to restore Sino-Japan relations prior to their enshrinement? Again, why are you willing to go so far to excuse the actions of these Japanese politicians? This affair mainly concerns China, Japan and Korea, so why are China and Korea wrong for protesting? So you excuse yourself cussing and swearing in your arguments? How is that being "logical" when you are resorting to verbally attacking me instead of attacking my points? You know that karma affects generations, so what's wrong with claiming the tsunami is divine punishment, according to principles of karma? If you don't despise others who believe in it, then why are you calling the people who believe in it "bigots"? I don't mock you for your beliefs, so why do you do that to us? I already shown that tsunami is act of nature, unlike Japanese invasion of China, so why are you blaming Chinese when we aren't responsible for the tsunami in the first place? Its an act of nature, and we can't attribute it to karma? Just look at the single lines that you kept on dissecting from my texts in your previous post. No one can understand the context of such lines when you dissect them, so isn't that the reason why you dissect them? They form a cohesive point when grouped together, but since you can't address them directly, you dissect them until they no longer make any sense. Why are we suddenly talking about "black" people at all? The Western countries are the ones famous for mistreating Africans by importing them as slave labor in 19th century, so how is China's treatment any worst as compared to that of what Westerners did to Africa? Chinese people don't lynch Africans unlike what you Americans did to Africans. In fact, the worst lynching in America happened in Chinatown against Chinese immigrants, so who are you Americans to even talk about racism here based on your history? The Largest Lynching In US History youtube.com/watch?v=UpZZf7K12pU If you discount my survey, then how is yours any better? In your source, Philippines is 20 - 39.9% intolerant and South Korea is even worst at 30 - 39.9% whereas China is only 15 - 19.9% intolerant so exactly how racist is China as compared to those countries? So because Americans didn't get to treat Hitler they way you want, gives you justice to protect Hirohito and his families and cover up Unit 731 crimes? You seen what horrors Japanese inflicted on Chinese, Russian and other prisoners in Unit 731, so why do you still fight to make excuses for Japan? Westerners hated Hitler, well then, Chinese and Koreans hated the Japanese responsible like Hirohito, so why was MacArthur allowed to cover up Unit 731 and protect Hirohito from retaliation by China and Korea? What if our roles were reversed and Chinese somehow prevented Westerners from exacting revenge on Hitler? Wouldn't you feel the same way in this analogy? The communist party only passes each new laws based on the approval of every communist official. If the "tigers" were powerful, they could have easily blocked the move and prevent the anti-corruption crackdown from occurring. So, why is Trump president if he didn't win the popularity vote? What's the whole point of popularity vote at all, when it doesn't determine who becomes the US president? You again insult me, while I don't do the same to you, and I only pointed out that China is actually doing "something" tangible about corruption, whereas USA isn't, so who is "butthurt" here? Which gov't gets stuff done? Your "International Response" covers mainly USA and Israel, but nothing from Russia, UK, France, Germany, etc, about their response. US and its allies response doesn't represent "international response" In the US, a Congressional Research Service report by Dr. Thomas Lum stated that the Kilgour–Matas report relied largely on logical inference, without bringing forth new or independently obtained testimony; the credibility of much of the key evidence was said to be questionable. Ethan Gutmann is the one who claimed not "10,000 transplants per year in China, but something more like 60,000 to 100,000 transplants a year." according to theepochtimes.com/interview-with-ethan-gutmann-co-author-of-new-china-organ-harvesting-report_2095465.html The whole world performed about 126,000 transplants in 2015, so how could China have doctors necessary for 100,000 transplants in a year? Lastly, if my criticism of Japan is unsound, then how is yours any more logical? You resort to abusive language and attacking me personally instead of my points, and you copy my text and dissect them so that each line makes no sense out of context, while providing little content of your own. Whereas I wrote my own opinions, instead of insulting you with vulgarities for your different opinion? Why can't I defend China, when you can stick up for Japanese warcrimes (as horrible as they are) and excuse Japanese politician actions? Karma affects next generations, so why is it bigoted to attack us for our beliefs? We didn't cause the tsunami, but Japan invaded China and refused to fully acknowledge its war atrocities as shown in Yasukuni shrine and those revised textbooks, which are the doing's of young generation of Japanese, not the old ones like Hirohito. Why Hirohito is allowed to escape punishment because America protected him? How would Americans feel if China had somehow protected Hitler if the roles were reversed? In conclusion, you only see things from your prejudiced point of view that's all and cuss and swear, while expecting to be respected and "logical".
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  25914. +Captain Midnight How are people going to make sense of my sentences when you simply just snip off lines and leave them exposed? The definition of bigotry also includes "Intolerance towards those who hold different opinions from oneself." so isn't that what you are doing when you constantly abuse me for having different view? Oxford dictionary: Bigotry en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/bigotry Since you claim I am racist, then why don't you quote my racist remarks made towards Japanese? I blame Japanese for their "actions" not their "race". What about you making remarks stereotyping Chinese being obnoxious and bigoted? Isn't that attacking people for their race, not their actions? The "hate" stems from Japanese invasion of our lands and refusal to fully acknowledge its war crimes, so why is this not justified? See, my whole point about African Americans is that they are AMERICANS, not AFRICANS and Americans use the N-word. So that half-Japanese who used ethnic slur "Jap" is not true Japanese, the same way African Americans aren't true Africans. This whole paragraph makes sense in context, but you constantly snip off lines until it makes no sense in your argument. In your "flip side story" there is no mention of Filipinos referring to themselves as "flip" The word is just used to mean the "good" side of story, but not referencing to their race. "Flipreads" can also mean turning through pages of a book, so it may not refer to the Filipino race. In the above two contexts, "flip" has more than one meaning so how would you know if they are directly referencing Filipino race, when its primary definition ("good side" and "turning pages") makes more sense in context? So you mean just because one anonymous Japanese man talked openly about his crimes, means whole Yasukuni Shrine and Revised Textbook is debunked? Who is this Japanese man and what is his name? Is he being punished or is he walking free? You claim Japanese speak openly about this, when we don't even know this person's name? What about the people responsible for Unit 731 (Class-A war criminals) being enshrined and worshiped at Yasukuni? Why don't you ask how those Japanese rapists if they would openly talk about the women prisoners they raped and impregnated, and then dissecting the pregnant mothers and performing sick experiments on children they fathered with them? Why do you continue to stick up for these people? No non-Japanese would try so hard and go so far to make up excuses for Japanese war crimes. If you weren't defending them, then obviously we wouldn't be having this argument. It goes without saying that the revised textbooks still not banned, and probably in circulation, despite what you keep claiming. Your source also shows that no real analysis been done on people who have exploited the textbook issue with the aim of reinforcing their political and cultural dominance over contemporary Japan. The leaders and members of the Liberal Democratic Party and bureaucrats in the Ministry of Education continue to prevent the book from being banned, and because of this, some Japanese schools may use such books in their teaching materials for the younger generation of Japanese. How is this lying? The books still exist, meaning that some Japanese schools will inevitably teach it to Japanese children. Excuse me but you are the one brought up issue of Chinese history, and now accuse me of moving the goalpost? Japan invaded Manchuria in 1931, just like Nazi Germany invaded Poland in 1939 at start of WW2, so shouldn't Sino-Japanese war begin in 1931 then, when the invaders first landed on our shores? The interpretation is not just my own views. They are also shared by some Chinese and Koreans as well as our respective government so how is it a "petty" issue, when it has adversely affected Japan-China relations and Japan-Korea relations? A trivial issue wouldn't have such impact on countries relations as Japanese politician visits to Yasukuni. You failed to show how is it "petty" it is when it concerns our nations relations and you continue to defend Japanese actions by claiming removal of the enshrined names is irreversible. About tsunami and WW2 not being linked. I said they aren't linked because one is man-made and the other isn't. But you keep dissecting my sentences until the original meaning is lost altogether. If you really believe the tsunami and WW2 not spiritually linked then its your own belief. But can you stop others from believing the Tsunami was act of punishment for Japanese warcrimes? In karma, bad things happen to bad people, sometimes over generations, and we use it to tell our children not to commit bad crimes, else they will end up an insect or even deformed like that example you keep on mentioning. Don't Christians also believe in "Judgement Day" where everyone will be judged according to their crimes? Its the same thing with Karma, except we can physically observe the phenomena such as deformity or natural disasters. So what's wrong with people who believe the tsunami is punishment for Japanese warcrimes? It is interpreted as message from above reminding everyone not to commit bad deeds. Who are you to call us bigots for believing in this, when millions of people in world believe in karma? Why bring up that "sh!tty" survey if your not going to use it? And you claim I move the goalpost again, when you brought up that survey? About Hitler and Hirohito, the fact remains that one committed suicide, while the other eluded punishment because of America. So why did US protect the aggressor nation of WW2 from retaliation by its victims? If roles reverse, you won't care (since you don't care about anything at all) but Jews and victims of Hitler would protest the same way Chinese and Koreans are protesting now.. You mock our Chinese anti-corruption campaign design, when US system is designed such that unpopular leaders like Trump can become US President? Why don't you fix your countries problems instead of complaining about Chinese corruption? USA has long been suffering "political stagnation" so why can't Chinese government stir up and change our internal political climate? Even if Chinese government did kill people, there were results, such as lifting 600 million Chinese out of poverty according to World Bank. This is no easy feat. For comparison, African continent has about 1.2 billion people, so Chinese government lifted a number equal to half of Africa's entire population out of poverty, in decades as compared to what Westerners did in Africa for centuries. This phenomena has been named "unprecedented" in human history, even by Western scholars, and is said to be unlikely to be ever repeated again, even by other developing nations. Where does Gutmann even get his numbers to grossly exaggerate 10,000 transplants to 100,000 transplants? The entire world's total number of transplants only came up to about 126,000 in 2015, so China as single country is able to match that? Why you just believe whatever figure Gutmann proposed without applying logical thinking? Do our hospitals have enough organ surgeons for 100,000 transplants a year? If you think Westerners have enough solid evidence about Falun Gong organ harvesting, then like I said, you people are always welcome to take it up in court with Chinese government to present your proof. Otherwise, all your accusations remain as allegations, nothing more. Right now, the international community is mostly concerned with Rohigya crisis in Burma, so the Falun Gong issue is not near anyone's top priority at the moment. For the whole debate, you have been childishly resorting to hurling insults and vulgarities against me, so how does that make you any more believable? I believe no one on this entire thread is even Japanese, so why are you people jumping to defend them? Why non-Japanese like you fight so hard for Japanese war crimes? Its not your problem, its Japan, China and Korea bilateral issue, isn't? Look at the amount of effort you people put into making up excuses for Japanese warcrimes. Why go so far for them? They are not above criticism so why can't Chinese criticism them base on our history? To you, there's nothing wrong with Japanese worship at warshrine, but Chinese people can't believe the tsunami was an act of karma? Can't you see your unfair double standards applied to our countries? If you think tsunami not linked, then it is your belief, but does that mean you can stop Chinese and Koreans from our beliefs? Also, in your sources you have shown that Japanese government also censor its warcrimes such as the deathtoll for Rape of Nanjing, so why do you claim Japanese media is uncensored in one of your earlier posts? For me, I never claimed Chinese media is completely free and uncensored, so why is it you continue to bring up Chinese censoring, when majority of my sources is obtained from Wikipedia and other Western sources. If I have my own fallacies, then I have addressed them the best I can with sources, points and logical thinking, unlike you who resort to vulgar language against me, copying my texts and taking single lines out of context so that the original meaning is lost or it becomes different interpretation. You have shown nothing but contempt for any opinions that differ from your own. Just like you once said: "In Chinese movies, Japanese people are often portrayed as the devil." then what about in WW2 movies where Germans are portrayed as evil? What about WW2 video games about the Allies killing German soldiers? You obviously know nothing about Chinese movie industry, yet you presume to stereotype Chinese movies altogether? Overall, I still don't get why you claim to not defend Japanese warcrime, when you clearly are. I mean, just look at the amount of content you conjure to defend Japan, but hardly anything for USA. Why do you go so far when you are Non-Japanese? You don't have to stick up for them you know, so why go so far?
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  25916. +Rhyan Jill Baytos There is nothing factually wrong with my previous statement. If it's pun, then it is still not widely recognized. "Flip" has so many meanings, from "turning over", "good side", "fickle", etc, that who would think it refers to Filipinos? You appear to be hijacking an existing word, for definitions not many people in world recognized, since according to Wikipedia, there is no mention of "flip" being used by Filipinos to define themselves, especially since "pinoy" exists, and it is less ambiguous unlike the word "flip". +Captain Midnight My sentences only appear to don't make sense, because you keep snipping them off as individual lines instead of a cohesive paragraph. How are people going to understand a single line out of context, when you dissect everything I said? My own views towards Japanese are based on "actions" not "race" so again how is that racist? You claiming Chinese are obnoxious and bigot isn't racist, whereas I pointing out Japanese "actions" is racist? Even younger generation Japanese politicians continue to worship at Yasukuni, which the older generation like Hirohito quit visiting, so why you keep ignoring this simple fact that the young generation are doing? Am I blaming them on the basis of being Japanese? Of course not. If instead it were Koreans or Germans who invaded China then I would blame their "actions", not their race being Koreans or Germans. I shown tolerance when other Filipinos (and their grandparents) don't want to pursue justice for Japanese warcrimes, (but that doesn't stop other Filipinos from doing so) You have shown no instances of you changing your opinions towards Chinese at all, so how can you claim to be willing to change? Unlike you, I don't resort to vulgar language at you just because your views differ from mine. You claim I am intolerant, then what about you hurling insults at me, because my views differ from yours? The source of my hate doesn't make sense because it's not my own personal experience? What about you as American constantly cooking up excuses to explain Japanese actions? How is that personal? At least my grandmother lived through WW2, so its more personal for me, whereas it is very impersonal for you as American to get involved in Japan-China issues. Since Americans use N-word because they are not citizens of Africa, then isn't the half-Japanese who uses "Jap" because he is not a true citizen of Japan? He is Half-Japanese, for cry out loud, so one of his parents isn't Japanese in the first place, yet you take his view to represent that of native Japanese? Japanese war criminals are very open about talking about their crimes? Then why does he want to remain anonymous, if Japanese are so open about it? He want's anonymity so that he can say whatever he wants without persecution. The journalist is sworn to keep his name anonymous, so there's no point asking him to break his oath. Even if this guy should be in jail, but isn't, what about his superiors (the Class-A War Criminals) that gave him orders? Why are they allowed to be enshrined at Yasukuni and worshiped by politicians for their misdeeds? You constantly claim NOT to defend Japanese warcrimes, then why are you constantly making up excuses for them? You seen the atrocities they committed, so why stick up for them as American? MacArthur helped shield Hirohito and his family from the crimes, as well as protect the Unit 731 so is that why you are on their side as US citizen? I believe the original "goalpost" is that revised books still not banned. You claim that most Japanese don't support the books, then why is are the books still allowed to exist? Can the actions of few Japanese people prohibit the majority of Japanese from banning the book, if they choose to do so? For all your talk, there is still little action and progress towards removing the book. Who is the one first introduced Chinese textbook revision into this discussion in the first place? You blame me for moving the "goalpost" when you are the one brought up this issue? Japanese forces were present in Manchuria in 1931, so why can't China make that the start of Sino-Japanese war, just like when Nazi troops present in Poland in 1939? What is factually wrong with mentioning this statement? I already shown that our countries (China and Korea) bilateral relations with Japan have been damaged by politician visit to Yasukuni, so again how is that trivial affair? I also shown Korean media videos protesting about Yasukuni (and also comfort women issue) so how is it just limited to my view alone? You keep claiming that it is my own view when I supported my case with many other races protesting, including Koreans and some Filipinos so why you keep dismissing this event as trivial? If you claim it is "momentarily" forgotten, it doesn't mean it has been "permanently" forgotten, its just that current issues regarding DPRK take precedence over it. But does that mean China and Korea are going to forget Japanese actions? If it were truly "trivial" it would been forgotten long ago, isn't it? About removal of names in Yasukuni, its just said "It is thought that enshrinement is permanent and irreversible by the current clergy" but does that mean it cannot change? It's also done by current clergy so why can't Chinese fault current generation for enshrining those Class-A war criminals? You see, Korea and China weren't the ones who started this whole affair, the current generation Japanese did, with their "actions" of enshrinement. So why can't I blame them? Why suddenly talk about CO2 and Global warming? If you believe Tsunami and WW2 are not linked then it is your belief. Then why you call Chinese people bigots for our belief that the tsunami is act of punishment for Japanese war crimes? You personally believe there is no link, but others do, so who are you to call us bigots because of our beliefs? You understand concept of Karma and retribution, so how is our belief wrong? Can you actually prove that "souls" don't exist, neither does the underworld nor the reincarnation into deformity and insects for past crimes? Science unable to completely disprove the existence of underworld or afterlife, so why insult us when you are unable to completely prove our beliefs wrong? If there really is wheel of karma, then what's wrong with Chinese believe tsunami is punishment for Japanese warcrimes? Again, *China did not create the tsunami*. So you brought up meaningless survey? For what reason, if you don't use it? You are just dismissing two important figures of WW2 and their fates. One committed suicide and the other got US protection, so can't you understand the resentment behind this? You are just ignoring others people's point of view. About Chinese oppression, I already said Chinese government is not perfect. Which country government is perfect when starting out? You think every gov't knows how to govern a country at the beginning? What about Americans oppression of native Americans and importing African slaves? What about US greatest lynching (as shown in my source) in Chinatown? You don't flinch at this inhumanity? Gutmann just exaggerates 10,000 transplants a year to 100,000, and you just believe what he says? If its accepted in "court," then why don't you get support from the court to proceed? Look at the number of organ transplants around in the world and it is about 126,000 so how can China perform 100,000 transplants in a year? Do our hospitals have enough organ doctors to perform as much as the rest of the world to reach such a figure? Like I said, if you believe Falun Gong organ harvesting is still ongoing, then why doesn't President Trump or Vladir Putin, or Chancellor Merkel or other world leaders ever raise up the issue to President Xi? Right now, UN is interested in Rohigya crisis in Burma, so isn't that more pressing human rights issue? You despise Chinese anti-corruption campaign, when Trump doesn't even jail Clinton for corruption? What about Trump not releasing his tax details? What about ongoing FBI investigations into President Trump's election? Why have they been stopped? Why don't you fix your own country's problems, instead of looking down on Chinese attempts to crackdown on corruption? Weren't you the one brought up Chinese movies depict Japanese as the devil? What about American WW2 war videos and games depicting Germans as evil? What makes you think all Japanese people expose to the true history and know it, if the revised textbooks still exist? Those textbooks will influence young generation of Japanese kids to grow up without knowing true extent of Japanese atrocities, so again, why do you continue to invent excuses their actions? Your form of criticism is to hurl insults and abusive language like "tw@t" and "go F yourself". How is this actual logical criticism? You criticize Chinese as bigot for our belief in karma, but excuse Japanese worshiping Class-A war criminals? One is natural disaster whereas other was man-made war, so why are you labeling Chinese as bigots while making excuses for Japanese? Chinese people died at hands of Japanese, but Japanese died by tsunami, not Chinese, so why are Chinese bigoted and Japanese aren't? It is obvious that you harbor prejudice against everything Chinese do, while making excuses for Japanese war crimes. I don't mock or insult you for your beliefs, unlike what you do to me. I even question why you as American, try so hard to stick up for Japan and its atrocities. Because MacArthur defended Japan. Why you find nothing wrong with Japanese worshiping Class A war criminals, but label Chinese bigots for our belief in Karma? If you claim I am begging you to stop, then who is the one posting "I am finished with you" or "This is the last time I'm replying" Like I said, why do you do so much for Japan, yet claim to not be defending them? If you weren't defending them, then we wouldn't be having this discussion, wouldn't you agree?
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  25922. +Rhyan Jill Baytos You appear to be Filipino American (or at least, not fully Filipino), since you claim I won't believe you even if you grew up and lived all your life in the Philippines, which implies that you didn't. So doesn't it already shown that you are not true Filipino, just like African Americans aren't true Africans like Nigerians, Kenyans, etc? You shown that "flip" is invented in America, so doesn't that explain why you (as Filipino American) personally think "all Filipinos refer to themselves using flip?" But my Wikipedia source already shows that this fact isn't true. At the very least, only Filipino Americans continue to refer to themselves by this racial slur, just like African Americans use N-word on themselves, not Somalians, Nigerians, etc. All you shown so far is that Filipino Americans use "flip" but not that Filipinos generally refer to themselves as such. "Flips Flipping Pages" could so mean he is using 'flip" twice to emphasis on the action, not that "Flips" refer to "Filipino". Is the author of the blog a true Filipino, or Filipino American or from other countries? If in Wikipedia, the definition of "Filipinos refer to themselves as flip" doesn't work, it sinks to the bottom, meaning that majority do no support this decision. So why am I wrong here? +Captain Midnight Who is the one claiming Chinese people are obnoxious and bigoted, whereas I am not basing that all Filipinos call themselves by the ethnic slur "flip" based on what a single Filipino said? Who is the one making up excuses for Japanese people worshiping Class-A criminals enshrined in Yasukuni, while calling Chinese people "bigots" for believing in karma? You are obviously prejudiced against Chinese people, while sticking up and making excuses for Japanese atrocities (despite claiming not to) Who would expend so much energy conjuring articles to excuse Japanese warcrimes, but then claim not to be defending Japanese atrocities, and instead, claim to care about America? Why do you as American care so much about Japan and China anyway? The Yasukuni visits and revised textbooks are bilateral issues between China and Korea with Japan. Why is it you find nothing wrong with Japanese worshipping Class-A criminals for actual crimes committed at their hands, while labeling Chinese people bigots for believing in karma, when the tsunami was not China's doing? If you still think Falun Gong atrocities are happening, because Gutmann grossly exaggerates the figure of 10,000 transplants in China in a single year, to his own figure of 100,000 transplants, then why don't President Trump or other world leaders confront President Xi on these figures directly? I already shown people who disputed the Gutmann's exaggerated figure, such as organ experts Jose Ramon Nunez Pena, medical officer of the World Health Organization, and Michael Millis, vice-chairman for global surgery and director at the University of Chicago's School of Medicine Transplant Center, who dismissed the allegations as implausible. Here is the source again if you want to read about it. WHO Organ expert said the claimed number is equal to the transplant activity of the entire world and is practically impossible chinadaily.com.cn/china/2016-08/19/content_26531057.htm You abuse vulgarities such as "tw@t" against me and call Chinese people obnoxious and bigoted, but I don't insult you or make derogatory remarks about you, just because your views differ from mine. And since when did I even said anything "racist" towards Japanese? My views are based on their "actions" like such as enshrining Class A war criminals and revising their textbooks, not the "race".
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  25923. +Rhyan Jill Baytos If you think I am somehow wrong in my assumptions, then why not explain why "flip" is not even mentioned in Wikipedia at all (except only in citation, and as a title only) instead of just claiming it is incomplete? You claim Wikipedia is incomplete, because it omitted "flip", but you already shown that "flip" is ethnic slur so why is Wikipedia wrong for not including it? You already shown that "flip" is a term invented in America and used colloquially by Filipino Americans. So how does Filipino Americans refer to all Filipinos all over the world? The N-word for African Americans was invented in America, and used by African Americans today, but is it used by Nigerians, Kenyans, Somalians, etc? Of course not. So in the same way, why do you claim true Filipinos use this racial slur to refer to themselves, when it is not true, as shown in Wikipedia? Urbandictonary has its own way of defining things, and so does Wikipedia. So why assume Wikipedia is incomplete, simply because it does not have what is mentioned in Urbandictonary? What makes Urbandictionary any better than Wikipedia, such that is is more complete than Wikipedia? In "Flips Flipping Pages" they talk about things like Halloween, Star Wars, and other things usually associated with America, so isn't it possible that these people are Filipino Americans? As you shown, "flips" is used by Filipino Americans to refer to themselves, but it does not mean that Filipinos all over the world accept the racial slur. Otherwise, wouldn't it be reflected in sources such as Wikipedia? +Captain Midnight FlipScience is online news source (meaning that is is mobile) and not necessary meaning that it is based in Philippines. Like it said, the love for science and for knowledge is in a dire state in Philippines (said by FlipScience, not me) so isn't that why they create this online portal in the first place, when their country is uninterested in science? Those shops located in Manila have the world "flip" in their title, so it automatically means they are referring to Filipinos calling themselves by "flip"? So if a sandal shop in Manila called itself "The Flip Flop Shop" does it means that the "flip" in its title refers to Filipinos? "Flip" is just a word, and it has many, many definitions of its own, so how do you know that it is referring to the exact definition you people want it to refer to?
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  25924. +Rhyan Jill Baytos So why would Wikipedia cite an article containing "flip" but not used it in its definition? The people who edit Wikipedia and cited the article probably read the article but decided that it wasn't representative of the Filipino population as a whole. Why you claim because simply because it omitted "flip" that Wikipedia is incomplete? You mean they cite an article containing "flip" but they choose to omitted it from the whole page? Its obviously because "flip" is a racial slur and that's why no one wants to include "flip" on the Wikipedia page. Otherwise, why cite the article but not use the term? You claim this article is originally taken from Wikipedia, but if the article doesn't exist anymore, that means that the editors at Wikipedia realized it was untrue or at least not reflective of what Filipinos feel about themselves. You mean, it once existed, and was removed from Wikipedia, suddenly means Wikipedia is incomplete? Why was it taken down? Probably because Filipinos referring to themselves as "flip" is either inaccurate or untrue, or that most Filipinos don't want to be called by racist slur. Urbandictionary is informal, so again, how can it be more reliable than Wikipedia, which is stricter? In Urbandictionary, "anyone" can like it, including non-Filipinos, so how can you prove "flip" is actually how Filipinos refer to themselves? What if mischievous non-Filipinos "like" the definition, so that it wrongly propagates the false notion that Filipinos refer to themselves by this racial slur? So many silly words exist in Urbandictionary (including the hoards of bizarre sexual terms, lingo and positions) probably made up and not true, except by naughty teenagers who like them to support its definition, and still, you believe it? You Wikipilipinas article clearly states that the term is used by Filipino Americans, so are you now contradicting what you claim? There is even a journalist and activist Alex Fabros, Sr. (1903–1999) who claimed the term was first used among Filipinos sometime after his immigration to the United States in 1929, so how did it originate in US bases in the Philippines? Are you now contradicting what you said? Things like Halloween were only introduced to Philippines, because Philippines was once an American colony. So how can you actually prove that these people are all true Filipinos, when some of them may be Filipino Americans? Its from a blog, so it usually concerns a close group of people, which could be Filipino Americans judging by their preference of English over Tagalog. Such a blog is not representative of the entire Filipino population, especially the ones living in Philippines. Also, why is there a need to copy my text and repeat it in your posts? All you are doing it making it even harder for me to distinguish between which portion is being said by you and which is by mine. Are you just intentionally trying to make your posts longer to appear more scientific? +Captain Midnight About Clive Hamilton's Silent Invasion book, it is stated that he is against publishing the book because of potential "suing for defamation" action by Chinese government. Which part of what Chinese government is doing is illegal here? If the author slanders or makes up lies about Chinese government, then under Australian laws, Chinese government can legally sue the author for slander. If what the author says is the truth and nothing but the truth, then what has he to fear from being sued for defamation? He is speaking what he claims to be the truth, so why is he afraid of telling "lies" and being sued for it? Chinese government is not altogether forbidding Australian government from publishing the book if it wanted to, and its not like China will suddenly declare war with Australia over this book. China is approaching this situation through legal recourse, by suing for defamation under Australian laws, if what the book claims is untrue, so how would China be breaking the law here? Just because the book is by respected Australian professor, means it's immune to being sued? Source smh.com.au/national/free-speech-fears-after-book-critical-of-china-is-pulled-from-publication-20171112-gzjiyr.html China Uncensored is a notoriously biased source, that is prejudiced against Chinese government and will always include a slant against China in all of its videos. It will only mention the bad issues but not the good issues, and will always paint Chinese government actions in negative light regardless. I bet CU was how you first came to know of Falun Gong "organ harvesting" in the first place. Also, was CU the source who told you Chinese movies only portray Japanese as the devil? They show some videos of Chinese war movies (without actually telling you the title) and claim that all Chinese portrayal of Japanese are like this? Why don't they show Chinese movies where some Japanese have also been portrayed ordinarily or as honorable characters, like in Jet Li's Huo Yuanjia (霍元甲)? Also, even if you disbelieve all my Chinese sources, then what about my previous sources showing the statistic regarding total number of organ transplants in the world was 128,000 in 2015, and Gutmann grossly exaggerating that 100,000 transplants occurred every year in China, instead of 10,000 transplants? Does China have as many transplant doctors necessary to perform transplants to meet such a drastic figure as the transplant doctors from the rest of the world put together?
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  25925. +Rhyan Jill Baytos The article was only cited because it contains references to Filipinos referring to themselves as "pinoy" which is used in the Wikipedia article. However, Wikipedia did not write to include "flip" as Filipino referring to themselves. You have already proved that "flip" is racial slur in one of your earlier articles ( en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ethnic_slurs#F ) isn't it? So why is it wrong to assume that it was deleted from Wikipedia, because Filipinos did not want to call themselves by such a racial slur? Again you resort to copying my text and dissecting it again and again. Why do you do this? You are making it difficult to differentiate which text is written by me, and which is yours. You didn't actually say anything about Urbandictionary that makes it more reliable than Wikipedia. I mean, just browse through Urbandictionary, and every other word is referring to sexual slang, lingo, positions, etc. Aren't most of them just made up, probably by kids with nothing better to do? Wikipedia is also not entirely reliable, but many people would still prefer Wikipedia over something like Urbandictionary, because of its sources. If "flips" originates because of anti-Filipino sentiment during WW2, then why has it been adopted by Filipino Americans then? The term was obviously born in America, not the Philippines. Just like the N-word for African Americans is not used by true Africans like Kenyans, Somalians, Nigerians, etc. Like you said, only Filipino Americans use the term "flip" to refer to themselves, but not all Filipinos, since it is racial slur, as shown in Wikipedia. I mean, if you really claim that Filipinos do refer to themselves as "flip" then why isn't this reflected in Wikipedia? Because you can't prove it, therefore you claim that it is incomplete? Although Wikipedia unreliable, Urbandictionary is even more unreliable, and also, the term "flip" could be voted up by the Filipino Americans, but not all Filipinos. You have shown "flip" to be a racial slur, and that could account for one reason why Filipinos do not recognize the term to refer to themselves. "Flip" has so many definitions, so again, how can you be exactly sure which definition of "flip" is being used each time? For example, FlipScience logo has the word "science" with the letters inverted/flipped backwards, so it could be that "flip" refers to this. How do you know which exactly definition of "flip" is being used?
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  25926. Why are we suddenly talking about Filipinos when the original topic is about China and Japan in the first place? For all your talk, you failed to explain why Wikipedia does not show Filipinos referring to themselves as "flip". You claim I am trying to look correct, when you can't even prove Wikipedia wrong? Why can't I use Wikipedia instead of listening to what some stranger online who claims to be Filipino says? The original topic is about Japan and China isn't it? All I did was mention Unit 731 warcrimes and then suddenly everyone seems to jump to Japan's defense. You have seen the horrible atrocities they committed, yet why are you people continuing to stick up for them? If you bring up old and new generation again, I already said the old generation like Hirohito despises the younger generation Japanese politicians visit to Yasukuni shrine, so why can't I blame the young generation then? What about the doctored historical textbooks used by Japan to downplay their atrocities of Rape of Nanjing, Unit 731 and "comfort" women? These books will go on to influence a new generation of Japanese schoolkids to grow up without learning the true Japanese atrocities. In Germany, it is illegal NOT to mention Hitler and Nazism, and to downplay their atrocities, so why is Japan allowed to get away with this? You claim Yasukuni shrine visit is trivial, but even Koreans protest against Japanese politician visit as well. South Korean grannies who were "comfort" women victims also protest outside Japanese embassy because in Japanese textbooks "comfort" women were well-paid prostitutes by the government. It is very likely these elderly women will die, being remembered as government prostitutes by Japanese students. Why you people believe its okay for Japanese to enshrine Class-A warcriminals and worship them for actual crimes that took place, but it isn't okay for Chinese to believe in karma from an act of nature creating the tsunami that swept across Japan? One was man-made and the other was act of nature. If you believe that they aren't linked, then why are you calling Chinese people bigots for our belief in karma? To you, they aren't linked isn't it? You claim I am racist but what racist remarks did I make about Japanese? Can you quote any "racist" remarks I made about Japanese, blaming them for their "race" and not for their "actions"? Once again, I blame them for their "actions" and I didn't attribute any derogatory remark to Japanese "race". What about you people claiming Chinese people are rude, obnoxious and bigoted here? Lastly, I am not the one resorting to abusive language against you people for your views. But you people continue to insult me and call me "tw@t" and "go F yourself" and so on, simply because my views differ from yours, and resort to attacking me personally instead of attacking my points logically. China is not perfect (as I said many times) and many of you people despise Chinese people, our country, our government, our belief in karma, while appearing to support Japanese warcrimes, their worshiping beliefs, their government's actions, even those of younger generation. But modern China was built by hard work of Chinese people's efforts after post-WW2 whereas Japan had help from America to get to where it is today. After WW2, Japan, China and Korea were in ruins, but America protected the aggressor country (Japan) from retaliation by its victims (China, Korea, etc) and invested much money into developing Japanese economy. Japan was demilitarized and protected by US presence instead, whereas every other country in the region (including China) had to allocate money to a defense budget to protect our countries. But Japan didn't have to spend on defense, so it poured the money for defense into developing its economy instead. Otherwise, why is it few years after WW2, Japan had soared to become the most advanced East Asian country ahead of China and Korea? It had help from America, who protected it and developed it. I still don't understand why you people continue to defend the aggressor country of WW2. Is it because you people are Americans and American allies, that you can overlook Japanese warcrimes?
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  25927. +Rhyan Jill Baytos Firstly, this thread was initially about China and Japan, but you have hijacked it to talk about Filipinos. I was talking to someone about China and Japan, and mentioned Filipinos in a statement, and suddenly you jumped claim that I am not correct, when I quoted Wikipedia as my source. Since you can't seem to prove Wikipedia wrong, then why am I wrong in my assumptions then? I have shown my source for my assumptions. Wikipilipinas cites its source material from Wikipedia, so why is Wikipilipinas correct, and Wikipedia wrong? You are being biased and illogical in justifying Wikipilipinas over Wikipedia. Who is allowed to vote in Urbandictionary? Anyone can vote in Urbandictionary, including non-Filipinos, so why is Urbandictionary representative of what Filipinos think of themselves over Wikipedia? The brand names could have different meanings, and I already shown FlipScience has the letters of "Science" inverted backwards, but again you refuse to accept any one of my definitions, despite them being fairly obvious. So how are you going to accept my proofs then? Also, why are you accusing me of being paid troll or from 50 cent army? For expressing my view? If I was really like that I would have resorted to vulgar language and abusive remarks, but again, I don't do that, just because your views differ from mine. Some other people like Captain Midnight have used derogatory terms against me, so why aren't you accusing them of being trolls, instead of me? If I am free to believe what I want, then why are you the one constantly trying to distract me from this discussion about China and Japan? I didn't butt into your conversation, you interjected into my discussion when the original topic is about China and Japan.
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  25928. I have already given my explanation regarding FlipScience but once again, your people refuse to accept it, so it is your choice. I have shown evidence in Wikipedia, that Filipinos do not refer to themselves as "flip" and that "flip" is only mentioned in a title in the wiki's citation that's all. You people incessantly claim that I am not right here, but you can't even prove Wikipedia wrong or incomplete or whatever? "Flip" has so many other meanings, and in FlipScience it could also represent the creator's desires to "flip" the existing lack of interest in Philippines to create a society more conducive to science. But does it mean that Filipinos refer to themselves as "flip"? Where does the page even show Filipinos referring to themselves as "flip"? All the website shows is that they want to reverse the scientific situation in Philippines that's all. You have other sources, but your already shown that Wikipilipinas cites from Wikipedia, so why is Wikipilipinas correct (or complete or whatever) while Wikipedia is wrong (or incomplete, etc)? You are just trying to confuse people with terminology instead of addressing the point directly in the first place. As for Urbandictionary, its already known that anybody can vote to raise these terms, including non-Filipinos so how can you still claim that Filipinos refer to themselves by "flip" then? You consistently deny my Wikipedia source, but biasedly promote your Urbandictonary source? Why do you you harbor unfair double standards with regards to different sources? I don't understand why is it you claim Wikipedia is incorrect or incomplete, but somehow expect me to substantiate my claims about Wikipedia. Why should I do this? Aren't you the one claiming Wikipedia is incomplete here, not me? Lets go back to the beginning, where I made a short statement about Filipinos not referring to themselves as "flip". It is you who interjected, and when I showed Wikipedia as my source, you claim "flip" is in the citations, but when I claim "flip" is not in the main content, you started calling Wikipedia incorrect or incomplete. So why am I the one suddenly having to explain Wikipedia's incorrect/incompleteness here? You are the one being unable to prove the source which I cited my reference from as wrong/incomplete, not me. You are just biased twisting my logic and attempting to confuse other people that's all here. Like I said, the original topic is about Japan and China, not Philippines. I did mentioned Philippines and Filipinos a number of times, but I mostly remained on topic, but you people just claim that I am not right, but are unable to refute my Wikipedia source at all, so why do you claim I am not right?
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  25929. I have stood by my arguments, unlike you people who resort to abusive language and derogatory terms, attacking me instead of attacking my points. I have made numerous explanations regarding FlipScience but you people consistently rejected all of my explanations whatsoever, and insisted on your own claims. Where in the FlipScience website does it even say that the "Flip" in "FlipScience" is what Filipinos used to refer to themselves? The whole website talks about improving the state of scientific education in Philippines that's all, so why are you mocking my explanations, when you have nothing to show for your own explanation of FlipScience? I used Wikipedia as my platform for my views, but you people claim I am not right, but can't even prove my source wrong/incomplete. You claim Wikipedia is incomplete, because Wikipillipinas has "flip" but then again, Wikipillipinas cites its article from Wikipedia which no longer exists. So again, how have you successfully proven that Wikipedia is incomplete, when Wikipillipinas cites directly from Wikipedia? Your own source cites from Wikipedia, but you still claim Wikipedia is incomplete? You are applying unfair double standards for your own sources as compared to mine. Many other people believe in Wikipedia sources, so why are you people ridiculing me for quoting Wikipedia as a source? Can you actually prove that it is wrong/incomplete in the first place? As for the whole difference between "incorrect" and "incomplete" issue, I have never said my English is absolutely perfect, so why are you people resorting to attacking my imperfect English instead of attacking my points? My English is poor, but many other people in this thread also have poor English, but I don't stoop to your low level of attacking other people's use of the language and abusing derogatory terms against them. Why are you attacking me for my language skills instead of using logic to address my points? Do I impose my level of language comprehension against you people? For Urbandictionary, we are trying to prove the original point that Filipinos refer to themselves as "flip". Since anyone can vote in Urbandictionary, including non-Filipinos then how is it reliable as a source at all to show that Filipinos refer to themselves as "flip", if the people who are voting could possibly be non-Filipinos themselves? Can't you see your own illogical biased here towards your own sources as compared to mine? I still don't understand why you think Urbandictionary is more reliable than Wikipedia, when Urbandictionary functions by random people voting, whereas Wikipedia has strict guidelines with regards to its sources, as you have shown. Once again, why is it I have to prove my assumptions about Wikipedia is incomplete? Did I made the accusation that Wikipedia is incomplete? No, you did. You mean deleting an citation, automatically means Wikipedia is incomplete? How? You are the one making unreasonable demands out of me all the time, and expecting me to comply with you. Do I make such demands out of you? No and I don't mock you people because your views happen to differ from mine. You claim you don't care what I think, then why are you posting so many posts about my views on Philippines? I accept it when you and your grandparents don't care about WW2, so why are you constantly claiming I am not right, when you can't even prove my source wrong? Also, isn't the original issue about China and Japan, not Philippines? If you people accuse me of being a 50 cent troll, then why aren't I spamming posts for money then? Why is a 50 cent posting about Philippines instead of China? You people accuse me of being 50 cent without even applying your own logic to this discussion, and you people are the ones using abusive language like "tw@t" and "go F yourself" and even making fun of my name, Shenzhou. Do I make fun of your names or abuse vulgar expletives against you people, because your views happen to differ from mine? I mean, if you people don't care about how I view Philippines, then why are you spamming posts about Philippines then? I have stated my stance using Wikipedia as my source, so exactly what am I doing wrong here?
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  25930. You people constantly accuse me of being Chinese 50 cent troll, when currently this is topic is more towards Philippines? What sort of twisted logic are you using to support your accusation of me being a 50 cent troll in the first place? I don't abuse vulgar language against you people, like what Captain Midnight is doing, simply because our views are different. Even if I disagree with you, I don't resort to abusive language like those trolls like Captain Midnight. Why don't you accuse him of being a troll then for his abusive language? What about you who keep on derailing this topic by bringing in Philippines? You keep on rejecting my all my explanations of FlipScience then what do you expect me to do? I at least offered numerous explanations, based on the website's content, whereas nowhere in FlipScience does it even say Filipinos refer to themselves as "flips" so can't you see your own prejudice in your logic? What's the point in giving more explanations about FlipScience when you people incessantly ridicule all my explanations, while being unable to give solid explanations of your own. Why then should I just accept your explanations then, when you have disregarded all of mine? I already said that I made my views based on Wikipedia, so again, why do you keep claiming I am wrong, but still unable to prove my source wrong? Wikipedia, on the whole, is still a reliable source like it or not, and it probably has more accreditation than other dubious sources like Wikipilipinas or Urbandictionary. You continuously mock me quoting Wikipedia when many other people also use Wikipedia as their source for information? You gave your own sources, and I highlighted some flaw in those sources (which you continuously ignore) so how do you expect me to prove anything at all, when you refuse to accept anything I say? Now you are claiming I am dishonest? How? I provided sources to support my claims, and even offered my own take towards sources you produced, but still you are labeling me dishonest here? How? Isn't it factually true that FlipScience logo has the letters of "Science" inverted, and that there is no explanation of Filipinos referring to themselves as "flip" in the website? Like I said, you people resort to attacking me personally, instead of attacking my points. I do not label you "dishonest" just because your views differ from mine, but you people use all manner of derogatory terms against me that's all. I don't even make fun of your people's English, because I have never claimed that my English is perfect so I don't stoop to your level of mocking other people's English. But you people are consistently mocking me for my use of English and making a whole issue of it. If you claim Urbandictionary is informal, then it already goes to show that Filipinos referring to themselves as "flip" is at the most, informal, and that Filipinos will not do that formally. Otherwise, what are you trying to say here? You mean a group of random people voting up a term in Urbandictionary automatically means that this term is formally accepted, whereas in Wikipedia (which has stricter guidelines) does not recognize the use of this term? You have already failed to show the original point of Filipinos use "flip" to refer to themselves using Urbandictionary, since random people can vote in Urbandictionary, so what is the basis for you using Urbandictionary as your source at all? Now when did I even said that Wikipedia is incomplete at all? Why are you suddenly pinning me for claiming Wikipedia is incomplete, and expecting me to prove it? I don't have to prove anything about Wikipedia being incomplete or wrong or whatever, because I am not the one mocking my own source here. You are, so what on Earth are you expecting me to prove in the first place? I don't understand why my defending China automatically means I am being morally abhorrent here. Who are the ones jumping to defend Japanese warcrimes in the first place? Who are the ones finding nothing wrong with Japanese worshiping Class-A warcriminals enshrined in Yasukuni, while labeling Chinese people who believe in karma as being bigots when the Tsunami hit Japan? You people obvious harbor prejudice against China, our people and government, and make racist remarks about Chinese by calling us obnoxious or bigoted based on race, whereas I have not said anything remotely "racist" about Japanese. I repeatedly stated that my remarks are based on "actions" not "race" but you people just keep on ignoring what I say. Otherwise, why don't highlight an example of me blaming the Japanese "race" instead of their "actions"? Just under a week ago, on 13th December, many Chinese people paid respects to The Rape of Nanjing, where thousands of Chinese men were butchered by Japanese and Chinese women raped by Japanese soldiers and killed afterwards to silence them. Naked bodies are left exposed and mutilated. Women private parts were bayoneted or penetrated with sharp bamboo shafts. Young children were not spared too, and if they were too small, the Japanese soldiers cut them open in order to rape these kids to death. Pregnant women too, were targeted for murder, and their swollen bellies bayoneted, sometimes after rape, and the unborn fetus pulled out and stabbed. The Japanese soldiers forced victims to commit acts of incest among families, where sons raped mothers and fathers raped daughters Nanking Massacre wikipedia.org/wiki/Nanking_Massacre If you claim that I somehow lack an interest towards Philippines, then likewise, you people also lack an interest regarding China. I am not forcing you people to take an interest if you don't want to (since this issue is primarily between China and Japan) but if you want to criticize Chinese people mindset, then you should at least make an attempt to understand us before jumping to criticize us and defend Japanese warcrimes.But none of you people on this thread is even Japanese, so why are you constantly trying to stick up for Japan, and label me morally abhorrent? Regarding Philippines, I have already repeatedly stated my stance and given my Wikipedia source for my statement, so why do I even need to elaborate further on my stance? You people can't even refute my source properly, yet you claim that I am not right here? I don't even mock you people or insult you for not agreeing with me, so why do you people resort to abusive language, just because my views differ from yours?
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  25931. +Rhyan Jill Baytos Why did you even mention 50 cent troll then, if you didn't say that I am? People from 50 cent army will be talking about Chinese government, not about Philippines now isn't it? Which part of my simple remark about Philippines reveals that I am from 50 cent army at all? You are just making up illogical accusations about me without any evidence whatsoever. I have already given other explanations for FlipsFlippingPages etc but again, you completely reject any of my explanations, so again what's the point of continuing to pursue them? You simply refuse to consider any of my statements, and just dismiss them entirely, so how do you expect me to explain my point? In FlipsFlippingPages does the website even say anything about Filipinos referring to themselves as "flips"? You can't even prove such a simple point at all, yet constantly accuse me of being wrong and disregarding everything I said? Who is the one making up assumptions that he himself can't even prove? Why don't you tell me exactly how you proved Wikipedia is incomplete? In Wikipilipinas, it cited an article from Wikipedia, which is now deleted, so how is Wikipilipinas even more reliable than Wikipedia now? You believe in your source Wikipilipinas, when it has to cite from Wikipedia in the first place? Can't you see how unfair you are being in your judgement of sources? Wikipedia has strict guidelines for its sources, but does Wikipilipinas have such strict guidelines? Why then do you accept Wikipilipinas over Wikipedia? I am not the one labeling you dishonest, unlike what you keep doing to me. I do not mock your English or anything, unlike what you keep doing to me. You have shown to be interested in attacking me personally instead of attacking my points. Just because my English is not good, so it gives you the reason to ridicule my language skills instead? Which part of FlipScience having its letters in "Science" inverted is factually wrong? Why can't you pick out the part that says "Filipinos refer to themselves as flip" in the FlipScience website? Yet you still accuse me of being dishonest? Urbandictionary being informal already places it in a position much lower than that of Wikipedia. I mean, even in Wikipedia, it is mentioned that Filipinos use "pinoy" to refer to themselves, but nothing about using "flip" to refer to themselves. "Flip" is only mentioned in the citation as a title, but otherwise, nowhere does it say Filipinos use "flip". So doesn't that mean that "pinoy" is formally accepted, whereas "flip" isn't, by your definition of what is formal? If that is the case, then how is my very first and original statement wrong? I made that remark some time ago, using Wikipedia as a source, and it still stands formally today isn't it? Why is it you claim "informal" sources like Urbandictionary are more reliable, while "formal" sources like Wikipedia isn't? Are you really blind to your obvious prejudice against these two sources? You accepting informal, while ignoring formal? I have never said Wikipedia is incomplete in any way, so again, why is there suddenly a need for me to prove anything now? Like I said before, you are the one first claim Wikipedia is incomplete, so why are you dragging me into this, when you are the one first made such a claim in the first place? I don't understand why you think I want to prove such thing. How doe proving Wikipedia wrong/incomplete help in my argument at all? Why should I do that? Wikipedia is my source from which I acquired my current stance, isn't it? Who is qualified to judge whether something is morally abhorrent or not? Morality is defined differently by different people in different countries, so how is it you can just judge people like that? I don't judge you or your grandfather and grandmother if you choose to ignore Japanese WW2 atrocities altogether, unlike what you done to me. Do you even attempt to understand Chinese people's feelings and mindset before judging straightaway? No, so why call me morally abhorrent then, just for stating my own views? Going round in circles? Excuse me, but I have been offering numerous different explanations regarding various topics about FlipScience and so on, but you people have rejected everything I say, labeling me "dishonest" and other terms. And you people keep on insisting that Filipinos refer to themselves as "flip" when such a statement is not entirely present in your sources at all. So who is repeating himself in a circle here? You people refuse to talk about Japan and China at all (which is the original topic) but instead prefer to talk about some term Filipinos claim to call themselves by, without any concrete proof whatsoever. Since you lack a specific concrete proof yourselves, then how can you still claim that I am not right here? Nobody is forcing you people to post here if you don't want to. People like Captain Midnight keep on claiming this will be your last post, that you don't care about what I believe, and I can believe what I want, so who is stopping you from posting or not posting? Like you, I don't care if this is your last post or not. All I did, was make a simple remark about Filipinos, but it was you people that choose to comment on that remark. My original stance still remains, as supported by the source accompanying it.
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  25944.  @johanhirte9661  "神州 Shenzhou The “innovation patents” is a characterization that applies different rules. It is not a invention in the way as u think." First you said "invention patents accounted for 19.3 percent" now you're changing China's figures again? And you clearly said "invention patents" what's this about "innovation patents" and claiming it's not an invention in the way I think? These are all your own words so far. You said: "The Chinese don’t do that a lot. Only 4% of their patents is also applied abroad because they won’t even hold up against the patent laws in the west." About international patents, China in 2019 surpassed the United States of America (U.S.) as the top source of international patent applications filed with WIPO amid another year of robust growth for the Organization’s international intellectual property (IP) services, treaty-adherence activity and revenue base. Source: China Becomes Top Filer of International Patents in 2019 Amid Robust Growth for WIPO’s IP wipo.int/pressroom/en/articles/2020/article_0005.html _With 58,990 applications filed in 2019 via WIPO’s Patent Cooperation Treaty (PCT) System, China ended the U.S. (57,840 applications in 2019) reign as the biggest user of the PCT System that helps incentivize and spread innovation. Are you perhaps using old data? In 1999, WIPO received 276 applications from China. By 2019, that number rose to 58,990 – a 200-fold increase in only twenty years. And triadic patents are a series of corresponding patents filed at the European Patent Office (EPO), the United States Patent and Trademark Office (USPTO) and the Japan Patent Office (JPO), for the same invention, by the same applicant or inventor, that's all.
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  25948.  @johanhirte9661  _ I go there and then come to the conclusion that there is forced Labour and send this report to my headquarter and they publish it."_ Why not wait till you're outside of China before publishing it? Why send the report while you're still in China? You said: "If I as a company accuse China of forced Labour, then my company gets kicked out the next day." So your company care more about making money than about your principles? Even if your company is kicked out of China, you can still go India, Vietnam, etc, it's not the end of your company. Look at Facebook, Google, YouTube, they are blocked in China, yet they are fine with it. But if you go around making accusations without any proof whatsoever (like what H&M, Nike, Adidas, Uniqlo did) then Chinese reserve the right to boycott your company, when you malign our country, yet still want Chinese to continue buying your brand. You said: "In Xinjiang u go trough a checkpoint every 200 meters basically. The moment u enter Xinjiang with a foreign passport. U will have a 3 -5 min conversation with the police of why u are in Xinjiang, what is ur job, purpose bla bla bla bla bla." Tell them the same thing you told the Chinese embassy when you applied for VISA. And again, even if there is a cover-up, experienced auditors know how to look for signs of corruption cover-ups (it's their speciality as auditors) whether it's sudden change of staff, working conditions, wages paid, dormitory conditions, and a number of other clues. The fact remains that Sketchers bothered to conduct audits, whereas H&M, Nike, Adidas, Uniqlo, didn't. I mean, if they found evidence of forced labour in Xinjiang, then that's their defense, but now they have nothing to support their claims, only the Better Cotton Initiative's word, that's all.
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  25963.  @johanhirte9661  Would people have even be able to invent these, if not for Chinese invention of paper? The Chinese inventions of Paper and Printing accelerated the spread of ideas and knowledge throughout the ancient world. With paper came inventions like paper lanterns, paper umbrellas and paper banknote (which made business transactions easier since merchants need not carry around lots of metal coinage and precious stones) Mankind's first aviation was in the form of paper kite, and even hot air balloons were invented in China, and were known as Sky Lanterns (天灯) or Kongming Lanterns (孔明灯) Here is beautiful video of RISE Lantern Festival in Las Vegas, celebrated with Chinese Sky Lanterns. Video: youtu.be/SNtwlBbBdb4?t=10 (Suggestion: Watch in HD Fullscreen for best experience) About electricity, Benjamin's kite experiment won't have happened if not for Chinese invention of the kite. Also you said The University, but Chinese literally invented exams back during the Imperial Exams taken by Chinese scholars. In China a higher education institution Shang Xiang was founded by Shun in the Youyu era before the 21st century BC. The Imperial Central Academy at Nanjing, founded in 258, was a result of the evolution of Shang Xiang and it became the first comprehensive institution combining education and research and was divided into five faculties in 470, which later became Nanjing University. In the 8th century another kind of institution of learning emerged, named Shuyuan, which were generally privately owned. There were thousands of Shuyuan recorded in ancient times. The degrees from them varied from one to another and those advanced Shuyuan such as Bailudong Shuyuan and Yuelu Shuyuan (later become Hunan University) can be classified as higher institutions of learning. Source: https://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Academy#China
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  25964.  @johanhirte9661  You said: "10. Machines (basically every modern machine)" A crucial component of any mechanical device is the gear or cogwheel, which was invented in China. The oldest known gears date from the 4th century BC in China (Zhan Guo 战国 times – Late East Zhou dynasty), which have been preserved at the Luoyang Museum (洛阳博物馆) of Henan (河南) Province, China. Source: https://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gear#History "5. Electricity" Benjamin's kite flying experiment won't be possible if not for Chinese invention of the kite. "7. Medicine" Traditional Chinese Medicine has thousands of years of history, yet you're calling it nonsense? Vaccines were invented in China. The earliest hints of the practice of variolation for smallpox in China come during the 10th century. The Chinese also practiced the oldest documented use of variolation, dating back to the fifteenth century. Various insufflation techniques have been recorded throughout the sixteenth and seventeenth centuries within China. Two reports on the Chinese practice of inoculation were received by the Royal Society in London in 1700; one by Martin Lister who received a report by an employee of the East India Company stationed in China and another by Clopton Havers. Source: https://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vaccine#History "14. Rockets 🚀" Rockets were invented in China. The first gunpowder-powered rockets evolved in medieval China under the Song dynasty by the 13th century. The Mongols adopted Chinese rocket technology and the invention spread via the Mongol invasions to the Middle East and to Europe in the mid-13th century. Rockets are recorded in use by the Song navy in a military exercise dated to 1245. Internal-combustion rocket propulsion is mentioned in a reference to 1264, recording that the "ground-rat", a type of firework, had frightened the Empress-Mother Gongsheng at a feast held in her honor by her son the Emperor Lizong. Source: https://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rocket#History Did you just pull off a list of inventions without bothering to check whether Chinese innovation was involved in it's design?
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  25977.  @johanhirte9661  So Egyptians get credit for inventing writing, but China gets no credit for inventing rockets 🚀? What biased double standards is this? Also, there are some Chinese writings dating back to 6000 BC in Jiahu (贾湖契刻符号). Jiahu symbols comprise one such collection of symbols that are believed by many to be the oldest written words. Jiahu symbols comprise 16 different signs, markings or pictograms found carved on tortoise shells over 8,500 years old. These shells were excavated from a burial ground unearthed at Jiahu, a Neolithic archaeologist site in Henan province in western China. Radiocarbon dating of the Jiahu site puts it between 6600 BC and 6200 BC. The Neolithic Jiahu symbols predate the earliest recorded Mesopotamian writings by over 2,000 years. ancient-symbols.com/symbols-directory/jiahu.html And what makes you claim the Chinese language didn't progress progressed? Chinese characters are still very much in use today whereas Egyptian Hieroglyphs, Sumerian Cuneiform and Latin are dead languages and no longer evolving with the times. Today, Mandarin Chinese is the world's most spoken language by number of speakers too. How am I wrong about Latin? Latin is classified as a dead language today, since there are no native speakers of Latin and no new words being added into Latin vocabulary. Why can't I talk about Chinese characters? You can boast about Egyptian writing, then why can't can't I do the same for Chinese writing? You aren't even Egyptian yourself, are you? About naval technology, Chinese sailors invented the bulkheads (partitions) on Chinese junks that are now used in boats worldwide, to compartmentalised flooding below decks. Song Dynasty author Zhu Yu (fl. 12th century) wrote in his book of 1119 that the hulls of Chinese ships had a bulkhead build. The 5th-century book Garden of Strange Things by Liu Jingshu mentioned that a ship could allow water to enter the bottom without sinking. wikipedia.org/wiki/Bulkhead_(partition)
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  25978.  @johanhirte9661  Ancient Chinese metallurgists invented the world's first blast furnace, cupola furnace, and finery forge using hydraulic bellows to achieve the temperatures high enough to smelt iron ores. Chinese metallurgists were the first to discover pig iron, cast iron, wrought iron, and even discovered a method to make steel by fishing cast iron and wrought iron together, using puddling to improve the steel-making process. Source: Blast Furnace wikipedia.org/wiki/Blast_furnace#History Source: Cast Iron wikipedia.org/wiki/Cast_iron#History Source: Puddling wikipedia.org/wiki/Puddling_(metallurgy)#History The skyscrapers that you're so in awe of, are constructed from steel, which wouldn't have been possible if not for Chinese metallurgists inventing the blast furnace, to smelt iron ore. About farming, Chinese have been cultivating rice between 11,500—6,200 BC with the earliest known cultivation from 5,700 BC, followed by mung, soy and azuki beans. Recent genetic evidence show that all forms of Asian rice, both indica and japonica, come from a single domestication event that occurred 8,200–13,500 years ago in the Pearl River valley region of China. In China, extensive archeological evidence points to the middle Yangtze and upper Huai rivers as the two earliest places of O. sativa cultivation in the country. Rice and farming implements dating back at least 8,000 years have been found. Source: History of rice cultivation ricepedia.org/culture/history-of-rice-cultivation
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  25986.  @johanhirte9661  So far you keep on bringing up President Xi Jinping's family assets, but where's the actual link showing President Xi Jinping's alleged corruption? His family owns assets, but you no link to President Xi Jinping himself being corrupted, what's your point then. For example, you said Xi's family accumulated $1 billion in wealth and his daughter owns $50 million worth of Hong Kong real estate. But President Xi Jinping has an estimated net worth of only $1.3 million. thenetworthportal.com/celeb-net-worth/politicians/xi-jinping-net-worth/ Хі Јіnріng hаѕ а lоng роlіtісаl саrееr. Не оnlу еаrnѕ а rеаѕоnаblе аmоunt оf mоnеу frоm hіѕ роѕіtіоnѕ іn thе Сhіnеѕе Gоvеrnmеnt. Оn thе оthеr hаnd, hіѕ ѕіѕtеr аnd brоthеr іn lаw аrе buѕіnеѕѕ tусооnѕ іn Сhіnа аnd оwn аrоund $500 mіllіоn. Whеrеаѕ, іt hаѕ bееn rероrtеd thаt Хі, іmmеdіаtеlу аftеr bесоmіng рrеѕіdеnt аdvіѕеd hеr ѕіѕtеr tо ѕеll оff hеr buѕіnеѕѕеѕ аnd аddіtіоnаl rеѕіdеnсеѕ. Іt іѕ bесаuѕе Хі wіѕhеd tо аvоіd аnу ѕоrt оf mеdіа соvеrаgе іn thіѕ rеgаrd. Хі Јіnріng hаѕ аn еѕtіmаtеd nеt wоrth оf оnlу $1.3 mіllіоn. Хі Јіnріng іѕ а vеrу роwеrful mаn. Не hаѕ uѕеd hіѕ роwеrѕ vеrу wеll tо fіght аgаіnѕt thе соrruрtіоn іn hіѕ соuntrу. Не hаѕ рrоvеn tо bе а grеаt lеаdеr fоr hіѕ соuntrу аnd hаѕ wоrkеd rеаllу hаrd tо mаkе есоnоmіс аnd ѕесurіtу аllіаnсеѕ. …… This completely blows your so-called theory out of the water. You're making corruption accusations against President Xi Jinping where no such evidence exists to actually implicate President Xi in corruption, you're just making up an imaginary link where none exists.
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  26011. +한국어로변역하는인간 Actually, South Korea got rid of nuclear weapons because of pressure from USA. According to globalsecurity.org/wmd/world/rok/index.html "S. Korea began nuclear weapons program in 1970, in response to Nixon Doctrine's emphasis on self-defense for Asian allies. Following the withdrawal of 26,000 American troops, the S. Korean government decided to pursue nuclear weapons. By 1975 the US had pressured France into not delivering a reprocessing facility, effectiely ending attempts to develop nuclear weapons. Under pressure from the United States, Korea ratified the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons (NPT) on 23 April 1975." So which country here is being puppet state of another power like USA? China does not "control" N. Korea at all, and like I said, China maintains zero military bases in North Korea, whereas S. Korea is host to many US troops garrisoned there. As for N. Korean missile technology they make use of Russian missile technology, not China's. According en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hwasong-14#Engine The North Korean Hwasong-14 missile's engine is based on the Soviet RD-250 (R-36 (missile)) family of engines according to British sources and they were probably acquired though illicit channels operating in Russia and/or Ukraine. In August 2017 the State Space Agency of Ukraine claimed that the rocket engine used during 28 July 2017 North Korea's missile test was RD-250 made at a Ukrainian factory. According to South Korean intelligence, North Korea received 20 to 40 RD-251 engines from Russia in 2016. So why blame China when the missile engines are believed to come from Ukraine and/or Russia?
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  26012. +The Anti-White Ranger About the "half breeds" in China, the key factor is to educate the children of mixed marriages in Chinese, send them to Chinese schools, teach them Chinese language, teach them Chinese history, Chinese laws, Chinese philosophy, Chinese mannerisms until they themselves think they are Chinese themselves. Here is a video about a girl from a Nigeria-Chinese marriage and being brought up under Chinese Education system has reinforced her perceptions of being Chinese. Video An Interview with Blasian (Black Asian) Princess Of China youtube.com/watch?v=QOD_ZsSc9Zc&feature=youtu.be&t=454 In my opinion, there's nothing wrong with importing 3rd world labor force, as long as you bring only one gender alone (like African men, Vietnamese women, etc) because they will take on a Chinese spouse and their children undergo Chinese education to reinforce their nationalism to China. But in Western countries like USA, Canada and Europe you take in the immigrant's entire family, all their cultures, beliefs, practices and their own perceptions of themselves. And your Western laws religious laws are too loose, meaning that they are free to practice what they want. For example, many Muslim refugees immigrate to your predominately Christian countries, but because Western laws allow them to do what they want, they continue their traditional practices, such as wearing Muslim headveils in public, and many Christian Americans, Canadians and Europeans aren't too happy about that. And because you import the whole family, the people can always marry their own kind, and many Muslims have larger families (also because they can take on multiple wives) as compared to Christian Caucasian families. Lastly, when Muslims marry, they have to convert non-Muslims to their faith. That's why you need to learn to control immigrants to your country, not the other way round. If you don't control immigrants, the immigrants will control you.
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  26090.  @viper2148  Previously, while Tibet was under Dalai Lama rule, Tibet was a brutal theocracy, where 95% of the population were slaves and the remaining 5% elites were slave owners. Tibetan mountainous soil is infertile, rainfall is scarce in the Himalayas, so the slaves had to work hard to feed the Tibetan population. Starvation was commonplace and theft of food was punished by torture, amputation and even skinning. There's this Tibetan drum called damaru that's made from human skulls, a drumskin made of human skin and drumstick made of human bone. The Dalai Lama was overly worshipped and his followers fought for the right to consume his saliva, his urine and even his feces, because he was considered a divine vessel. After Tibet returned back to China, Chinese workers began rapidly modernising Tibet, building roads, railways, streetlamps, running water, gas and electricity as well as introducing modern amenities like cars, computers, telephone cables, smartphones, the Internet, WiFi, online shopping (from Taobao) and so on. Under CPC, the first Tibetan colleges opened in Lhasa, offering degrees in both Tibetan and Mandarin Chinese languages. Hydroelectric powerstations were built by Chinese to supply Tibetan homes with electricity. Source: List of universities and colleges in Tibet wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_universities_and_colleges_in_Tibet Source: List of major power stations in the Tibet Autonomous Region wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_major_power_stations_in_the_Tibet_Autonomous_Region Chinese workers built the Qinghai-Lhasa railway (world's highest elevation railway) through dangerous mountainous terrain and low oxygen environments, to connect the normally isolated Tibet with the rest of the world. Tibet can now import food from the mainland to feed its population, and Tibet's population has tripled from 1 million in 1950s to over 3 million people today. A thriving tourist industry has even sprung up in Tibet.
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  26112.  @rpg1663  Like you said, carbon based chips have been around since 2013, but it took a huge population country like China to have a breakthrough in perfecting the process for large scale industrial application in 2020. This shows that an old technology can be lying around dormant for some time, yet after a while, another country makes a breakthrough in this field. So you can't just simply write off old technology after it hasn't borne results in while, there may be new discoveries in the future. You said: "I thought it was quite clear by now that having big population means nothing. Even having lots of PhD graduated every year in the best universities outside of China." As the world's most populous country, China has the most brainpower to come up with ideas, as well as the most manpower to turn those ideas into reality. Larger populations have more geniuses and with a population about 4.3 times that of the United States, China has at least 4x the number of geniuses that the U.S have. This can be proven statistically. Consider two standard bell curves, say one with 1.4 billion people and one with 326 million. The number of average people in China is very close to 4.3 times the number of average people in the U.S. That is also true for the top 2% say, which produces scientists, the best business and government people, and the most competent computer programmers. Even there, China would have a 4.3 to 1 advantage, which would be quite an advantage, everything else being equal. Source: China's Statistical Advantage: Large Populations Have More Geniuses
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  26117.  @bigchef3394  You said: "in this progress china has basically wiped out its population, with the 1 child policy the birth rate in china has fallen in .50" What do you mean wiped out our population? Why is China the country with the largest population in the world at estimated 1.4 billion of we wiped out our population? As for the 1 Child Policy, in the past China was still dirt-poor country, suffering from high birth rate, high child malnutrition, high child mortality, high illiteracy and other population problems at that time. Why allow families in China to raise multiple kids, only for them to starve to death, succumb to childhood diseases, and having not enough food, not enough hospitals, and not enough schools to send them all to? Why not make families focus all available resources into raising a single, healthy kid into adulthood, and get him into a good school? According to World Bank, China's poverty rate fell from 88% in 1981 to a mere 0.7% in 2015. According to UNESCO, adult literacy rate in China increased from 65.5% in 1982 to a whopping 96.4% in 2015. This is an impressive feat considering that China is world's most populous country, yet attaining 0.7% poverty and 96.4% literacy. Source: Poverty in China wikipedia.org/wiki/Poverty_in_China Source: Adult literacy in China 1982-2015 statista.com/statistics/271336/literacy-in-china Look at India, world's 2nd largest population country, and India is suffering from high birth rate, high child malnutrition, high child mortality, high illiteracy and other population problems that China once suffered from in the past.
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  26163.  @adrianbundy3249  Those people weren't killed by the CCP, they starved to death because of Great Chinese Famine, which was caused by bad weather conditions like flood and drought, causing destruction of crops and resulting in poor harvests. Even Mao Zedong can't possibly control the weather isn't it? And it is people starving to death in a disaster, which is different from Emperor Meiji ordering the killing of the last remaining samurai, so what's your point? And China achieved transformation from dirt-poor, war-torn, starving country into an economic juggernaut and military power today WITHOUT adopting Western democracy, so isn't China better than Japan in this regard? Also, most of Japan's great modernization occurred under authoritarian Meiji emperor rule, instead of Western democracy, likewise, so did most of China's modernization occurred under authoritarian CCP rule. And look at Japan today, it used to be a strong military power during WWII period, but after the 1945 surrender treaty, Japanese military has been "castrated" and it is now bound to only maintain a "self-defense" force at all times. Whereas the People's Liberation Army is the world's largest land army, our Chinese navy is Asia's largest, and we even started building aircraft carriers. China currently has 1 aircraft carrier in operation, 1 undergoing sea trials and at least 2 more carriers undergoing construction in our shipyards. Video: First China-made aircraft carrier sets to serve youtube.com/watch?v=48Jce11rFac
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  26165.  @adrianbundy3249  About Great Chinese Famine, in July 1959, the Yellow River flooded in East China and according to the Disaster Center, the flood directly killed, either through starvation from crop failure or drowning, an estimated 2 million people. Source: _The Most Deadly 100 Natural Disasters of the 20th Century_.disastercenter.com/disaster/TOP100K.html In 1960, an estimated 60% of agricultural land in northern China received no rain at all and the Encyclopædia Britannica yearbooks from 1958 to 1962 also reported abnormal weather, followed by droughts and floods based on Chinese government sources. This included 760 millimetres (30 in) of rain in Hong Kong across five days in June 1959, part of a pattern that hit all of Southern China. As a result, year over year grain production dropped in China. Japan's military is clearly "castrated" and no longer the military power it was during WWII. Japan is a dog of the United States, bound by WWII surrender treaty (Article 9 of the Japanese constitution) never to declare war on another country except in self-defense, and it is only allowed to maintain a self-defense force at all times, even more than 70 years after WWII . Even Germany, Japan's WWII ally, is not bound by such a restricting treaty, and Germany is allowed to grow its military to become as powerful as it wants. Imagine another 70 years into the future, and China's military have grown stronger, yet Japan is still stuck with maintaining a self-defense force, because of its WWII surrender treaty.
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  26198. L C He may be doing that, but he is also targeting other high ranking corrupt communist party officials in the process. Who on this earth is altruistic enough to tackle corruption without some form of benefit to themselves? The fact that he is willing to take on the enormous task of purging corruption is already incredible feat in itself, especially one of world's largest political parties. The government has labor laws to protect our workers. Under chapter 4 Working Hours, Rests, and Leaves Article 36 The State shall practise a working hour system wherein labourers shall work for no more than 8 hours a day and no more than 44 hours a week on the average. Labour Law of the People's Republic of China china.org.cn/living_in_china/abc/2009-07/15/content_18140508.htm But of course, China is so populous that it is not possible to catch every employer who choose to work their people like slaves. Furthermore, China's labor force is so huge, that if you are unwilling to do the work, someone else will gladly take up your position, for lower pay and longer hours too. Such is the level of competition in Chinese workforce society today. Chinese workers may work in unforgiving conditions, but at least they were getting paid. What do you know about serfdom in Tibet? During Dalai Lama rule, Tibet was brutal theocracy, with 95% slaves and 5% slave owner, which are the Tibetan monks. Peasants worked the poor mountainous soil to grow food to feed the 5% but there was barely sufficient food and famine and starvation were commonplace. Torture, mutilation and skinning were common punishments and there is even Tibetan human drum (Skull Damaru) made from two skulls and with human skin. A drumstick is fashioned out of human legbone, usually a young serf girl. Tibet was part of China since 800 years ago when Mongolians conquered it and made it part of Yuan Dynasty China. Even Marco Polo acknowledged it in his book "Travels of Marco Polo" in which he wrote: "Tibet is a big land where people have their own language and idolatry. But all of their affairs are placed under the management of the Yuan Emperor," Marco Polo, first Westerner to say that Tibet is part of China ecns.cn/2017/06-22/262446.shtml Also from the source: In 1904, a British army journalist, Edmund Candler, gave the true nature of Tibetan society -- like the serfs during the middle ages of Europe and descibed Tibet as having "witnessed more murders and instigations to crime than the most blood-stained castle in medieval Europe." He said the monks are the overlords, the peasantry their serfs So I don't understand how you arrive at the conclusion that for the past 1000 years, Tibet was much more peaceful than China. Even Westerns have described the serfdom faced by Tibetans as quoted from the above source. You feel sorry for our education and in the same way Chinese people feel sorry for your education. You have the ability to choose your leaders, but Americans choose someone like Trump to leader the country, when he has zero political experience? And you are British, so your people choose to leave the European Union, based on a rather informal referendum? Every governing system have its own flaws, but if China's government can lead China to become world's 2nd largest economy, then I don't see why our system is inferior to Western democracy.
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  26199. +L C You mean you visit Tibet and China for short duration and suddenly, you know everything about "serfdom" in Tibet? There are various sources detailing serfdom in Tibet, including Western sources, and all of them agreed that some form of serfdom exists in Tibet. You Westerns still tend stubbornly cling on romanticized notions of Tibet as Paradise on Earth due to growing up under propaganda. You said: "One of the characteristics of slavery is being captive which did not happen in Tibet" and I think you must have confused "slavery" with "prisoners". Tibetan serfs were still being forced to work the fields to grow food to support Tibetan population, and being surrounded by mountains, there was literally nowhere else to escape. Who else is going to feed Tibetans themselves? The monks? Even in 2001, the Dalai Lama said: "Tibet, materially, is very, very backward. Spiritually it is quite rich. But spirituality can't fill our stomachs." People send their sons to the monastery, because they want better life for their children, instead of a harsh life out in the fields. Some Tibetans were nomadic, because the poor mountain soil meant rearing livestock like yaks were more feasible than growing crops. But they are still serfs having to rear animals to feed the population. Drepung monastery, on the outskirts of Lhasa, was one of the world's largest landowners with 185 manors, 25,000 serfs, 300 pastures, and 16,000 herdsmen. High-ranking lamas and secular landowners imposed crippling taxes, forced boys into monastic slavery and pilfered most of the country's wealth – torturing disobedient serfs by gouging out their eyes or severing their hamstrings. Source: theguardian.com/commentisfree/2009/feb/10/tibet-china-feudalism How am I very wrong about Damaru? In ancient time, it was made from human crania or entirely out of human skulls, but today it usually made from wood or animal leather at both ends, according to following source. So its only recent times that it was made from other materials besides human skulls. In the past, Tibetans have "strong beliefs" so you think Tibetans would prefer to use Damaru made of normal materials instead of human skulls? Tibet Damaru exploretibet.com/blog/tibet-damaru/ Skinning of slaves applied to people of all ages, including women, children and toddlers. Also, since when does the sky burial ritual consists of skinning the cadaver at all? According to Wikipedia, there is no mention of skinning the cadaver before commencing the sky burial, so why are you claiming that its part of the ceremony for feeding the body to birds of prey? Tibetans believed in returning the entire body to the earth, including the skin, so what nonsense are you cooking up to explain Tibetan skinning? Wikipedia Sky Burial en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sky_burial Yuan Dynasty is a Chinese dynasty ruled by Mongolian leaders. It was Kublai Khan that choose to abandon his own culture and embrace Chinese culture instead, proclaiming himself emperor of Yuan Dynasty China. Mongolians were nomadic horsemen who don't grow their own food, so in the end, it was Chinese farmers who grew food to feed the empire. Mongolians don't know anything about how to run an empire, so Chinese bureaucrats were left to keep such a large empire running. So in what way is Yuan dynasty China not a Chinese Dynasty? Even after Yuan dynasty collapse, Ming emperors controlled Tibetan affairs from China. The title of Dalai Lama was actually bestowed onto Tibetan leaders by Ming emperors, the Prince of Shunyi, as a symbol of granting him the right to rule Tibet in his stead. Even if you discount Ming, Tibet was also part of Qing dynasty China isn't it? Who are you to come to China as exchange student only find our education system disappointing? China ranks 3rd in most popular international education destination and Ministry of Education reported a total of 442,773 international students were studying in China in 2016, so who are you to mock our system? As for ethnic minorities performance, you do know that China's population is 95% Han Chinese, so what are the odds of having top performing ethnic minority? Its just not realistic to expect ethnic minorities to consistently perform well in universities, given such a ethnic demographic. Ethnic minorities like Tibetans also enjoy special benefits like free education until university that Han Chinese do not get to enjoy. Tibetans and other ethnic minorities are also get tax exemptions, healthcare benefits, and educational bursaries. For example, if Han Chinese need 500 points to qualify for a university course, Tibetans and ethnic minorities only need 300 points (easier) to qualify for the same course. So in what way are ethnic minorities in China treated unfairly? Of course, majority of China is still Han Chinese, but what do you expect the government to do about Han Chinese majority? You despise Chinese education system, when our system has consistently produced students with among world's highest average IQ at 105? Who are you to look down on our system, when it has performed remarkably well in global rankings? Chinese education system has long history and Chinese scholars have been studying for examinations since thousands of years ago, when Chinese invented imperial examination system. In fact, this merit system was spread from China to British India during the 17th century, and then into continental Europe, so who are you to mock Chinese education system when it is thanks to China that world education has improved? Merit System: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Merit_system So you come to China for few years, then suddenly you become expert in China's 5000 year history and know everything there is to know about China? Who do you think you are? You are just foreign exchange student in our country for few years. Even Chinese scholars and historians are making new discoveries and uncovering mysteries about our past, even in this day and age, so what makes you know more about China than what Chinese people know? When did I ever labelled "other cultures as backward and inferior"? Can you quote me the exact words I said? China doesn't allow UN people to visit Tibet, because 14th Dalai Lama was a traitor who conspired with CIA in separatist activities against the government. In 1951, the 14th Dalai Lama signed the signed Seventeen Point Agreement, acknowledging China's sovereignty over Tibet. Eight years later, he broke the agreement led uprising in 1959 against the government with the help of CIA. Normally, Tibetan spiritual leaders are supposed to be removed from worldly affairs, but by involving himself in politics, the 14th DL is no longer fit to be leader of Tibet. You think a true spiritual leader will use his religious influence to train Tibetan guerrillas to fight against the government? That is exactly how terrorists hijack Islam by acting as pseudo priests to convince their followers to die for their political cause. 14th DL is to China, what Wikileaks whistle-blower Edward Snowden is to America. Snowden now seeks refuge in Russia, so you think USA will allow Snowden back into America after what he's done? In the same way, China will not let 14th DL back into China without making him pay for his crimes. CIA knows this and is secretly sponsoring DL to preach in various different places, while his followers (exiled Tibetans) suffer. Exiled Tibetans are already so poor, so where does 14th DL get the money to even engage in talks and campaigns? Answer: CIA I don't think you actually learnt anything on your trip to China. You tell me to travel to other countries and broaden my horizons, but you yourself travel to China and left with the same Western mindset impressed upon you when you were born. You never tried to understand issues from China's point of view at all, and constantly mock our government and education as inferior. Exactly how are you being humble, when you obviously think you know everything about China and Tibet simply because you been here and talked to some "professors"?
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  26200. +L C You mentioned you were "extremely disappointed" with China's education system. In the same way you described, Chinese students can always visit your country and feel disappointed with the lack of mathematical and sciences skills of your students now, can't they? Why you blame China's education system because it is weaker in some aspects and stronger in others? I don't blame your country for not producing globally recognized levels of science and mathematics isn't it? As far as I know, China is the top international school in Asia, beating even Japan and Korea so I don't think those countries have an issue with our education system. If you look world map of national IQ scores, China, South Korea and Japan share almost equally high IQ levels, so isn't that indication that such people do not harbor such criticisms towards Chinese education system? World Map of National IQ Scores targetmap.com/ThumbnailsReports/16799_THUMB_IPAD.jpg Obviously, you went to China, but returned without any meaningful insight into China, since you still harbor the same impression of China that Western media has probably imprinted onto you since birth. Would you like to tell me exactly how has your visit to China affected your view of China? Because you are unchanged in your views regarding our educations system, our government, Tibet and so on, so exactly how did the trip affect you at all? Education is not copying, but why is copying not a form of education? You think Chinese people learned nothing by studying other countries? Every country copies technology from one another at some point in history and eventually improve on the original designs. For example, US tank technology is advanced today, because it absorbed the WW2 Nazi technology. The US space program made use of Nazi V2 Rocket scientists to develop rockets capable of reaching the Moon. Would USA be as successful as it is today without copying? So it is true that Damaru drums are made from human skulls, so why did you say "You're also very wrong about the Damaru stuff."? Which part of my statement is wrong? Really, 90-95% of Chinese people is Han Chinese. Are you really sure you've been to China at all? When did I ever labelled "other cultures as backward and inferior"? Can you quote me the exact words I said? I have wrong views? How do you know you aren't the one having wrong views? You have been consistently wrong on a number of things already. Mao's policies may have been disastrous in his later life, but Mao Zedong had managed to unify whole China, where the previous administration KMT failed to do so. China was once democratic when Sun Yatsen overthrew Qing dynasty in 1911 and established Republic of China. But ROC failed to unify China and China was plagued by various warlords fighting for control as well as invasion by Japanese. Next China tried communism and it managed to unify all of China, where ROC failed to do so. But while Mao was brilliant tactician, he was poor governor and his disastrous policies affected China adversely, so Deng Xiaoping stepped in and introduce capitalism, which brought much progress to China till today. As you can see, it was not easy to come by to China's current arrangement. The CPC has long acknowledged the mistakes of Mao's policies and even Mao himself made self-criticism and stepped down from being state Chairman, which allowed Deng to introduce his economic reforms. I have never said Chinese government is perfect, but the fact that it learns from past mistakes is what enables it to adapt to changing circumstances. Great Leap Forward en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Leap_Forward#Impact_on_the_government The government and people of China have long since moved from the failed policies of Red China, but that does not mean we have forgotten the lessons. The Great Leap Forward and Cultural Revolution are taught in Chinese textbooks today so that the mistakes won't be repeated again in future. Remember that people back then did not know that those policies would turned out to be so harmful for China. Hindsight is 50-50 isn't it? It is unlikely that the people of Tibet will be granted freedom. If the people of Scotland want freedom then you are free to follow your own system, but will it be beneficial for United Kingdom if it breaks apart? A unified country is strong, while a divided country is weak. That's why China fight so hard to hold on to Hong Kong and Taiwan. America is strong because it consist of united states. Soviet Union was strong for same reason, and after USSR dissolution, Russia is not as powerful. EU was strong because it was unified, and now EU weakened because of Britain's exit. Scotland also probably wants to leave UK, so what good will come out of this separation? If your country had the means to prevent such separation, why not make use of it to ensure your country's continued survival? As for people leaving China, China has world's largest population, and therefore there is competition for resources. With such high student population, competition for tops schools and higher education is fierce and intense, and some students are forced to seek education outside of China. To China, the rest of the world is severely underpopulated, so the government sees nothing wrong with people leaving the country as the country's resources are already taxed to the limit. As for rich Chinese buying up properties in other countries, there could be a number of reasons. Most people leave China because of the pollution or they want to invest their money in something substantial outside of China. Also, quite a few CPC officials are corrupt and could be trying escape the government and hiding the money by buying up properties in other countries. But the government is also trying to catch overseas corruption according to following article. China’s Overseas Anti-Corruption Efforts Nets 288 Suspects thediplomat.com/2014/11/chinas-overseas-anti-corruption-efforts-nets-288-suspects/ It is apparent that you are still colored by Western perceptions of China and that your visit to China has not really changed your opinion of China much. After all, your perception of China appears to be stuck in Red China, when many Chinese people have long since moved on from that period. Our government is not perfect, and made many mistakes in the past. But many Chinese today believe that it has redeemed itself by lifting 600 million people out of poverty today. According to World Bank, China's poverty fell from 88% in 1981 to 6.5% in 2012. Poverty in China en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poverty_in_China Since you are foreigner, it is unrealistic to expect you to view China through lens of Chinese person, since you never grew up during those hard times. To you, modernization was easy process, but for China it was tumultuous and difficult period and it not easy to get to where we are today.
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  26201. +Debtanu Chakraborty What makes you think Tibet would have modernized without the help of CPC? Tibet is located in the Himalayas and was isolated from rest of the world throughout history. Tibet's mountainous soil was infertile and unsuitable for agriculture, so it will have hard time feeding its population. Even in 1950s, Tibet had no schools (besides Buddhist Monasteries), no hospitals, no roads, no electricity and plumbing. Even the Dalai Lama has admitted that "Tibet, materially, is very, very backward. Spiritually it is quite rich. But spirituality can't fill our stomachs." So what makes you think Tibet would have modernized itself under Dalai Lama's rule? Source: theguardian.com/commentisfree/2009/feb/10/tibet-china-feudalism I have said that Damaru drums were made of human skulls and skin so exactly what am I saying wrongly here? Why do you people say I am completely wrong in this regard? What do you know about how Chinese government treats Tibetans at all? Why don't you look at Indian Army atrocities committed on people of Kashmir before you talk about China? Many Muslim women have become victims of rape and sexual assault in the conflict and the frequent rape of Kashmiri Muslim women by Indian state security forces routinely goes unpunished. -A study in 2008 by Médecins Sans Frontières concluded that Kashmiri women are among the worst sufferers of sexual violence in the world Many cases not reported because of the shame and stigma associated with rape in Kashmir. Indian Army officers, of the rank of major or above, have participated in torture as well as sexual violence and the Indian government was covering up such acts. Rape during the Kashmir conflict en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_during_the_Kashmir_conflict In contrast, Tibetans today live better life with modern technology than what is happening in Kashmir even till today.
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  26202. +Debtanu Chakraborty The reason some Chinese may have treated Indians like that is because people like you lack logic. You want to compare Tibet to Singapore? Singapore is one of world's most busiest ports, because of its strategic location, whereas Tibet is isolated and landlocked. You think Tibetans could afford to build infrastructure? Qinghai railway is world's highest elevation railway built by Chinese on difficult mountainous terrain, through regions of permafrost and low oxygen level regions, so much that every carriages has oxygen supply for EACH passenger and every train has a trained doctor. You think Tibetans could afford that without China? Tibet population is small because of insufficient food to feed everyone and you mean being "gender neutral" is enough to qualify for self-modernization? Who would accept that simply treating genders equally, means the country will modernize automatically? There are so many factors to determine modernization, yet you quote gender equality as one of your points? Also, unlike India, full ordination of women as nuns never occurred within Tibet, and all Tibetan education was conducted by the Tibetan monasteries, meaning Tibetan women were virtually illiterate throughout their lives. Rising India and China only modernizes Tibet, because of Tibet is part of China, and is rising with China as well. For example, Nepal also located between India and China, but lacks the proper infrastructure developed in Tibet by Chinese. Nepal also lacks proper healthcare whereas Tibet has hospitals. Internet access is also not widely spread, so in what way has Nepal truly modernized itself with respect to Tibet here? You think religion and spiritually alone can support Tibet? In 2001 the Dalai Lama himself already said Tibet, while rich in spiritually, is very, very backward materially and that spirituality can't fill stomachs, so how is it religion alone able to feed the Tibetan population. winter han is right in the sense of how hard it is to talk with someone with completely different view of the world. Even this L C guy lived in China as exchange student and studied here, but he still retains Western perception of China and left without learning anything and changing his mindset. Yet people like him encourages others to travel and "open" their minds? Such hypocrisy.
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  26203. +Debtanu Chakraborty You lied about Singapore not having busy port since it was built. Singapore always been gateway between East and West because of its strategic location, which was why British colonial powers colonized it in the first place. You think the British didn't see the value of Singapore as port to trade with the east? Singapore became one of Britain's prized colonial possessions, and after it gained independence, Singapore government began developing its port facilities further to take advantage of its location. Tibet, however, is landlocked and so far, India, Bangladesh, Pakistan, etc are not as concerned over Tibetan control of water as they should be. If it were really that important, then why don't those countries attempt wrest control of Tibet from China? There hasn't been much dispute over water issues, and frankly, our countries are more interested in border disputes than caring about water sources, so why do you still believe that these countries will sudden be interested in "investing in Tibet for water management of the entire continent?" Up till now, none of those countries have expressed any interest whatsoever, except China. Modernization of Tibet involves more than just building Qinghai railway alone. Chinese workers have also built hospitals and schools and universities to provide better healthcare and access to education for Tibetans. Through the railway, modern technology such as farming equipment, cars, electronics such as smartphones, computers and appliances were introduced to Tibet. You think every Tibetan wants to grow up to be poor yak farmer or Tibetan monk? Young Tibetans want to education to find paying job, buy luxuries such as cars and other electronic devices, get married and settle down, so what right do you have to decide that Tibetan's should be isolated from rest of the world, and remain poor forever? You aren't even living in Tibet, so what do you know how Tibetans feel about the government? It was the Dalai Lama who quoted: "Spirituality doesn't feed stomachs." so why are you blaming me all of sudden? If you really thing the Dalai Lama's own words are BS, then you should tell it to him directly. I don't abuse vulgarities against you so why are you being so disrespectful? What war dragon image are you talking about? China has not been involved in any war since our last major war in 1979 and has been peaceful for 30 years, so what are you talking about? Tibet was part of China during Qing Dynasty up to in 1912 and China only reclaimed it back in 1951. Contrary to what you said, China is not only America's biggest trading partner, but most of the world as well, including India, does business with China, so what suspicion are you referring to here? So just because you don't like modernization, means you deny Tibetans the right to education, to healthcare, and to other modern amenities like Internet? Who do you think you are? Like I said above, Tibetans deserve access to modern technology, instead of living in stone ages, without water, electricity and gas. As for gender equality, have you ever noticed that all Tibetans monks were men? Nuns in Tibetan Buddhism wasn't widely accepted, only until recently and like I said, Tibetan monasteries controlled all of Tibetan's education. In my previous sources, I highlighted the sexual abuse of young Tibetan monks so what makes you think Tibet had any true sense of gender neutrality? You speak of self-immolation in Tibet, but at most only 100 or so Tibetans have protested by self-immolation, but does that mean that all 3 million Tibetans want independence? Why should 3,000,000 Tibetans give in to the demands of 100 or so self-immolating protestors? In India, as many as 1,451 and 1,584 self-immolations have been reported in 2000 and 2001, respectively. That's already much more serious than in Tibet, so why don't Indian government do something about it? You speak of gender neutrality, when in India there are forced marriages, unaffordable dowries, and bridal abuse by burning/acid scarring and various sexual abuses? Who are you to talk of rape when Indian Army soldiers have been raping Muslim women in Kashmir even till today? Why don't you Indians fix India's own problems first* before complaining about China's treatment of Tibet?
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  26204. +Debtanu Chakraborty Who is the one somehow believe that landlocked Tibet could be as prosperous as the port of Singapore due to location alone. Look at other Himalayan countries like Bhutan and do you consider them prosperous? Bhutan didn't even have television until 2001s and even till today, relies heavily on India for trade, so what makes you think Tibet would be more successful than Bhutan? Look at Nepal, located between India and China, but still not as prosperous as Singapore. Your logic doesn't even make sense yet, you somehow believe Tibet can magically modernize by itself? You said "China could modernize itself without the help of the West." so why can't every other country also modernize without the help of the West? Look at India, it has world's 2nd largest population, therefore a large workforce like China. Indians speak English, while Chinese are still struggling with English. Indians also have democratic system whereas China is communist. Republic of India became independent in 1947, two years before People's Republic of China was founded in 1949. Yet China overtook India. So why do you still think that any country in the world is able to modernize by itself? Why are you so obsessed with femininity and rape? Who said anything about expressing femininity equals rape? Besides Indian Army raping the Muslims in Kashmir, Indian Peacekeeping Force sent to Sri Lanka to fight the Tamil Tigers, went to rape the local Tamil women instead. Indian forces participated in number of incidents of human rights violation, including rape, torture, detention and massacres, like Valvettiturai massacre. IPKF even entered Jaffna teaching hospital over 70 civilians were massacred. (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_Peace_Keeping_Force#Controversies ) First off, the numbers are 3,000,000 to 100, so why do you take the actions of 100 Tibetans self immolating to represent the whole of 3 million Tibetans views? What about the 1,451 and 1,584 self-immolations in India? Isn't that a much more urgent matter to address than the actions of 100 Tibetans self-immolations? Why don't you Indians fix your own problems of rape in Indian Army, forced marriages, self-immolatinos etc before you start talking about how China handles Tibet? The Dalai Lama said that verse and I am merely quoting him, so why are you calling it BS and labeling me a troll, because I quoted him? Who is the troll here who still thinks Tibetans want freedom when it is clear that they don't, You don't see 3,000,000 Tibetans protesting against the government, now don't you? Countries all over the world have recognized Chinese sovereignty over Tibet, and when you draw map of PRC, Tibet is always included as part of China. Even the uploader's video shows this at 0:10. As for Kashmir, most of the world accepts it part of Pakistan. Even uploader's video at 2:43 shows Indian map without Kashmir as part of India, so why are you complaining? India has had almost 70 years to reclaim that territory from Pakistan, but didn't achieve it, so whose fault is it here?
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  26205. +Parm Mohan In warfare, what's important than technology is your allies. Near the end of WWII, Germany had surrendered, and Hitler committed suicide in his bunker, leaving Japan without an ally to continue fighting the war. At that time, Soviet Union was neutral, so Japan was banking on the slight possibility that Moscow would join Japan against the Allies. But Moscow responded by invading Japanese-occupied Manchuria and at that point, the Japanese knew they lost all chance of continuing the war, once Russia allied with the Allies against it. About US nuclear bombs, the USA had suspected that the Soviet Union had nuclear bombs of its own and the USA bombed Hiroshima and Nagasaki (even when it was clear that Japan was already going to surrender, once Russia joined the Allies) in order to showcase USA's nuclear capabilities. Many years after Japanese WWII surrender, historians and scholars have deduced that the US's nuclear bombing was unnecessary in getting Japan to surrender. A-Bombing of Japan Was Unnecessary Source: nytimes.com/1988/10/29/opinion/l-a-bombing-of-japan-was-unnecessary-393488.html 2nd point: What point are you trying to make that India was democratic and therefore aligned with the West? Soviet Union was communist and it was still part of the Allies (Russia is also a UN permanent member) so what point are you trying to make here? According to your source, ..Mr. Tharoor writes that Indian diplomats who have seen files swear that Nehru declined the offer.. But its written by Mr. Tharoor and not the actual words of Nehru himself. According to the following source, Prime Minister Nehru has categorically denied any offer, formal or informal, having been received about a seat for India in the UN Security Council. The Prime Minister said: "There has been no offer, formal or informal, of this kind. Some vague references have appeared in the press about it which have no foundation in fact. The composition of the Security Council is prescribed by the UN Charter, according to which certain specified nations have permanent seats. No change or addition can be made to this without an amendment of the Charter. There is, therefore, no question of a seat being offered and India declining it. Our declared policy is to support the admission of all nations qualified for UN membership.'' UN seat: Nehru clarifies Source: thehindu.com/2005/09/28/stories/2005092800270900.htm As far as I know, my source is dated later than yours, and the words came out of PM Nehru's mouth, not by your source, which claims some Indian diplomats seen Nehru declined the offer.
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  26207. +Parm Mohan Who says that the country's goverment (ROC) is seated permanently in UNSC? Russia under the Soviet Union was a permanent member of UN, but after the dissolution of Soviet Union in 1990s, the Russian government changed but the Russian Federation was still part of the UNSC. So the countries remain, despite their government changing. And when the UN decided to recognize PRC as China in the General Assembly Resolution 2758, there was no mention of any seat being given to India at all. Where in General Assembly Resolution 2758 does it show India is being considered for a UN seat? United Nations General Assembly Resolution 2758 Source: wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_General_Assembly_Resolution_2758 Like Indian PM Nehru himself said: "There has been no offer, formal or informal, of this kind. Some vague references have appeared in the press about it which have no foundation in fact. The composition of the Security Council is prescribed by the UN Charter, according to which certain specified nations have permanent seats. No change or addition can be made to this without an amendment of the Charter." Since the composition of the Security Council is prescribed by the UN Charter, there can be no change to which members are permanent, unless the entire UN decides to amend its charter. Therefore China (the country) is a permanent member of the UNSC. India may have voted for PRC, but India was certainly not offered any UN seat like you claim. Republic of China was also allied with the West in fighting Japan, so what is your point? China became part of the UN at the same time as USSR, but ROC was democratic and Soviet Union was communist, so those two presumably didn't get along based on ideological differences. And since China had become communist later, and India was democratic, its quite likely the Soviet Union would have vetoed India's entry into the UNSC. My History is all over the place? Here are your exact words "But Japan attacked Pearl Harbor instead. When Russia learned of this attack possibility by Japan, it launched its own front." But when did Russia launch its own front against Japan? Russian invasion of Manchuria occurred 3 years after the Japanese Pearl Harbor Bombing isn't it? Russia's invasion of Manchuria was AFTER the USA had dropped its atomic bombs on Japan, and like I said earlier, the invasion was the last fought campaign of WWII, before the Japanese finally surrendered. Which part of this statement is wrong? Japan still had not surrendered after two US nuclear bombings and only after Russia attacked, did the Japanese finally surrendered.
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  26341.  @Andy-P  What Communist Party expansionist? China is currently at peace and not at war with any country, since our last major conflict in 1979. Instead of making war, China is building infrastructure like roads, railways, highways, bridges, tunnels, powerstations, dams, ports, airports, etc and investing in developing countries like Sri Lanka, Nepal, Bangladesh, Pakistan, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Tajikistan, and also African countries like Nigeria, Kenya, Chad, Sudan, Ghana, Mozambique, Tanzania, etc. Whereas the United States is warmonger being involved in Gulf War, Iraq War, Afghan War, Libyan War, Syrian War, Yemen War, etc, even in the 21st century. USA is bombing in those Middle Eastern countries and enacting regime change by cutting off their "heads" (Saddam Hussein, Muammar Gaddafi, etc) and then installing their own US puppet governments in place. If anything, it looks like the United States is the real threat to global peace and stability here. And while USA did help the allies during WWII, the USA today is more about putting U.S interests ahead of its allies, so why do it's allies continue to call USA its ally? Because of lingering "WWII sentiment" even when U.S policies are actively harming its allies interests? However I agree with your statement that "When in an alliance you act together and help each other - else it's not much of an alliance." because in the U.S case, the USA doesn't care about its allies (Australia, Britain, Canada, New Zealand, European countries, etc) interests, they put U.S interests ahead of its allies many times. Like in Russia/Ukraine issue for example, the US doesn't care about many NATO countries that import gas from Russia, they are putting American interests first.
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  26342.  @Andy-P  Indian PM Narendra Modi has publicly stated that "Chinese troops did not enter Indian territory and no posts were taken in Ladakh". Several Indian media outlets reported his words on YouTube: Video: No One Entered Indian Territory: PM Narendra Modi's Big Message To China Over LAC Standoff (By India Today) Video: ‘China didn’t enter our territory…’: PM Modi at all-party meet on Ladakh clash (by Hindustan Times) As for the South China Sea, China first claimed the SCS Islands back when the Republic of China 🇹🇼 (1912-1949) published the 11 Dash Line map (in which the People's Republic of China 🇨🇳 later removed two dashes to become the 9 Dash Line map). Back then, nobody objected to China's claims, not the Philippines, not the Vietnamese, not even the USA. America send warships like the USS Decker to help ROC recover the SCS islands from the Japanese, and the warship was renamed ROCS Tai Ping under the Chinese navy. One of the SCS Islands (Itu Aba) was renamed Taiping island in honor of the ship that liberated it from Japan. About the East China Sea, the Diaoyu Islands were originally part of China but was taken and occupied by the Japanese during the war. After the Japanese surrendered at the end of WWII, they relinquished all their occupied territory, yet why wasn't Diaoyu Islands returned back to China? As for the proposed invasion of Taiwan, if you go and read Taiwan's own constitution, it says that Taiwan is part of China. Since there hasn't been any amendments to Taiwan's constitution, then by default, Taiwan is part of China under their own constitution. Since Taiwan is part of China, then how can China invade ourselves?
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  26346.  @Andy-P  "神州 Shenzhou The one China is a policy that one day could change. Like one day Taiwan may choose to join China" Do you even understand what the One China policy is? It states that both ROC 🇹🇼 and PRC 🇨🇳 agree that there is only One China, and Taiwan is a part of China, so the only way the One China policy could change is if Taiwan declares independence. So if the priority is to prevent WWIII, then why is the USA interfering in Mainland China's internal affairs in Xinjiang, Hong Kong and Taiwan? The USA is interfering in China's internal affairs in hopes of provoking WWIII, and U.S allies are acting as accomplices. And again, since there is no PLA troop buildup in Taiwan Strait (unlike the Russian troop buildup at it's border with Ukraine) then why'd you claim mainland China is expansionist and going to invade Taiwan? How is Australia a vassal state if it gives in to the 14 Grievances? The 14 Grievances represent China's grievances in the Australia-China relationship, and China is open to negotiate with Australia over these grievances to arrive at mutually acceptable conditions by both sides, how is that paying tribute and making Australia a vassal state of China? If anything Australia is behaving like a vassal state of the USA, given that they willingly tore up a multibillion-dollar submarine contract with France in order to acquire nuclear submarines from the United States through AUKUS. Also you know the since China banned Australian coal, the U.S coal shipments to China actually increased, so how is USA treating its allies like Australia well?
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  26347.  @Andy-P  "神州 Shenzhou The democratically Australian government does what is best for its' citizens." Are you sure that the democratically elected Australian government does what is best for its' citizens? Australia is located closer to Asia than America or Europe, and China is Australia's biggest trading partner, how is Australian government antagonizing China beneficial to Australia? As for AUKUS, Australia can't fuel, maintain or deploy nuclear subs, that means Scott Morrison has chained Australia's long-term defense policy to the U.S, then how is this beneficial for it's citizens? As for the One China Policy, even the United States acknowledge the One China Policy that Taiwan is part of China since the 1972 Shanghai Communique. Here's an article from The Diplomat entitled: The Shanghai Communique: An American Foreign Policy Success, 45 Years Later On February 28, we celebrate the 45th anniversary of the Shanghai Communique. The 1972 agreement, brokered by Secretary of State Henry Kissinger and Chinese Premier Zhou Enlai, ended 23 years of diplomatic estrangement between the United States and China, and laid the foundation for a peaceful and prosperous Asia... The Communique was based on America’s acknowledgement that Chinese on both sides of the Taiwan Strait agree there is one China, that Taiwan is a part of China, and that the United States does not challenge that position. ... Source: The Diplomat: The Shanghai Communique: An American Foreign Policy Success, 45 Years Later Also, you've been talking about mainland China attacking Taiwan, but since there's no PLA troop buildup at the Taiwan strait, then where's your evidence to suggest the mainland will attack Taiwan?
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  26353.  @Andy-P  "神州 Shenzhou Xi said he would invade if peaceful negotiations were not successful." When did President Xi said that? Xi Jinping has vowed to realise reunification with Taiwan by peaceful means. “To achieve the reunification of the motherland by peaceful means is most in line with the overall interests of the Chinese nation, including our compatriots in Taiwan,” Xi told a meeting in Beijing commemorating the 110th anniversary of the 1911 revolution that established the first Chinese republic. Xi said: “We [should] adhere to the basic policy of peaceful reunification and one country, two systems; adhere to the one-China principle and the 1992 consensus; and promote the peaceful development of cross-strait relations.” He urged Taiwan to “stand on the right side of history jointly to create the glorious cause of the full reunification and the great rejuvenation of the Chinese nation”. Could you show me President's Xi words saying that he would invade if peaceful negotiations were not successful? Otherwise, it just appears that you're hyping up the fear and paranoia against China without evidence and just painting China as the enemy that's all. It's the Red Scare and Yellow Peril mindset that's creating nightmare scenarios in people's minds, just because they can't accept the rise of a non-Western, non-Liberal Democratic country like China. I mean, if China can someday surpass the United States in the foreseeable future, then can't Chinese strive to achieve this goal? Nobody says that Western dominance have to remain on top forever, why should China have to be contained from realizing our full power because of Western arrogance? And the USA is certainly not "rule of law" I mean look at the U.S drone strike in Kabul killing Afghan civilians (including women and children) and yet the U.S Court found that the American General responsible for ordering the attack didn't do anything wrong. That's American "rule of law" for you.
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  26447.  @s-man5647  "You never explained what it means to have a colonized mind," Colonial mentality is an internalized perception of ethnic and cultural inferiority felt by people as a result of colonization. Such people tend to view the culture of their colonizers as inherently superior to that of others (including their own). This mindset was brought about when the colonizer instills their values into the local people through education systems and media, and even after the colonizer leaves, the people's minds remain "colonized" and loyal to their former masters. It's a form of mental slavery (like Stockholm Syndrome). "It is not simply because Filipinos love America too much. Filipinos minds are not so small that they cannot hold esteem for both America and China." Again, that's why we need to investigate where this inherent love of America comes from. It comes from the fact that Philippines became American colony (after losing the American-Philippine War) and because of that, some Filipinos became American citizens, and therefore, it ensures the continued existence of the colonial mentality, long after Philippine independence. "Thanks to modern trade practices, you only need a small minority of traders to import vast quantities of Chinese goods." The same could be said of those Filipinos that receive US paychecks. Only a small number of the political class receive money from the US, yet somehow they are able to instigate a large proportion of Filipinos to develop positive feelings towards their colonial masters, and negative feelings towards a country that has never colonized Philippines. Only with colonial mentality, can this sentiment be widely adopted by the Filipinos.
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  26456.  @s-man5647  "If China had come in and offered military aid and training to combat the insurgencies..." Take Vietnam for example. During the First Indochina War, China supplied and provided the Việt Minh guerrilla forces with almost every kind of crucial and important supplies and material required, such as food (including thousands of tonnes of rice), money, medics and medical aid and supplies, arms and weapons (ranging from artillery guns. to rifles and machine-guns), ammunition and explosives and other types of military equipment. 2,000 military advisors from the PRC and the Soviet Union trained the Việt Minh guerrilla force with the aim of turning it into a full-fledged armed force to fight off their French colonial masters and gain national independence. From 1950 to 1954 the Chinese government shipped goods, materials, and medicine worth $51 billion (in 2023 dollars) to Vietnam. From 1950 to 1956 the Chinese government shipped 155,000 small arms, 58 million rounds of ammunition, 4,630 artillery pieces, 1,080,000 artillery shells, 840,000 hand grenades, 1,400,000 uniforms, 1,200 vehicles, 14,000 tons of food, and 26,000 tons of fuel to Vietnam. In the Second Indochina War (i.e Vietnam War) and China again supported North Vietnam with military and economic aid, totaled $20 billion ($160 billion adjusted for 2022 prices) during the Vietnam War; included were 5 million tons of food to North Vietnam (equivalent to a year's food production), accounting for 10–15% of their food supply by the 1970s. In the summer of 1962, Mao Zedong agreed to supply Hanoi with 90,000 rifles and guns free of charge. ... Yet fast forward till today, and many Vietnamese have conveniently forgotten the military aid and training offered by China, and many even still hold a positive view of the United States. How to explain this rather ungrateful behavior, if not through colonial mentality? Vietnam was a former French colony after all.
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  26457.  @s-man5647  "If China had come in and offered military aid and training to combat the insurgencies" Since you like to pull in other countries for comparison, then take Vietnam for example. During the First Indochina war, China had supplied and provided the Việt Minh guerrilla forces with almost every kind of crucial and important supplies and material required, such as food (including thousands of tonnes of rice), money, medics and medical aid and supplies, arms and weapons (ranging from artillery guns to rifles and machine-guns), ammunition and explosives and other types of military equipment. In addition, 2,000 military advisors from the PRC and the Soviet Union trained the Việt Minh guerrilla force with the aim of turning it into a full-fledged armed force to fight off their French colonial masters and gain national independence. During the Second Indochina War (i.e Vietnam War), China did the same and provided military and economic aid to North Vietnam and the Viet Cong totalling $20 billion ($160 billion adjusted for 2022 prices) during the Vietnam War; included were 5 million tons of food to North Vietnam (equivalent to a year's food production). In 1962, China agreed to supply Hanoi with 90,000 rifles and guns free of charge. Fast forward to today and many Vietnamese have conveniently forgotten Chinese aid and training given to Vietnam, while continuing to view the United States in a positive light, despite the Vietnam War. How to explain this ungrateful if not through the colonial mentality? (Vietnam was a former French colony after all.)
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  26491.  @abbotsful  You're correct that: 日本 = Japan, 中国 = China 共产党 = Communist Party So 中国共产党 should be translated as the Communist Party of China (CPC) NOT the Chinese Communist Party (CCP). I already explained this point so many times at the beginning, that the translation is wrong, yet you're claiming that I'm wasting your time with petty rubbish? Even after I explained my argument succinctly? I mean, you don't call it the American United States instead of the United States of America right? So why do you still fail to see the difference? Yet you're accusing me of wasting your time with petty rubbish? As for your comment on Nathan Rich's channel, I can't seem to find your comment at all on that channel to verify what you said. But to answer your question, Nathan Rich's video pointed out how other states are referred to as states, or self-governed, but when it comes to Taiwan, it incorrectly calls Taiwan a country, showing that Wikipedia has taken up a political stance against China that's all. Also you said: "Does China give a s**t about what the UN says about the south china sea?" But what does UN say about the South China Sea? The arbitration court that made ruling on the South China Sea is the Permanent Court of Arbitration (PCA) which is not an official UN agency unlike say, the International Court of Justice (ICJ). The PCA only happens to share the same office in Hague as the ICJ, but the two-thirds organisations are different. Source: United Nations stresses separation from Hague tribunal scmp.com/news/china/diplomacy-defence/article/1989486/united-nations-stresses-separation-hague-tribunal So since the court ruling is by an unofficial UN-agency, the PCA, then China reserves the right not to adhere to it's ruling.
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  26499.  @abbotsful  Because you keep asking me what's the difference, yet when I meticulously explained the difference meanings for "China" and "Chinese" and how the word "Chinese" is NOT "China". you just claim how's that different. I mean, why does everyone call the United States of America as USA, NOT ASU, the American United States? How else to explain this? You said: "it looked like China had move away from communism and into a form of capitalism." Firstly, China was never communist, neither was the former Soviet Union for that matter. In fact, historically there has never been a communist country on Earth, because a communist society is (roughly) defined as a stateless, cashless, classless society. So China did not move away from communism, we weren't even communist in the first place, but communism is the eventual goal of the Communist Party of China. China is currently in a transitional state, which is called socialism (with Chinese characteristics). As the theory stipulates, China's material wealth is lacking, so distributing China's wealth equally among our vast population just isn't efficient, so China had to build up our productive forces. This was achieved through the establishment of "markets". Westerners have been equating markets with capitalism, but China's socialist market is subordinate to the socialist system (unlike capitalism controlling markets) and dominated by public ownership with the promotion of the goal of common prosperity. If you want to read, there's a book entitled "Marxism and Socialism with Chinese Characteristics" by Jin Huiming. Here's a video of American socialist explaining Socialism with Chinese Characteristics in 30 minutes. Video: American EXPLAINS Socialism with Chinese Characteristics in 30 Minutes | The Comrade Report youtu.be/ZLDV9A4JNJg
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  26504.  @MeiinUK  Scapegoating? You're the one literally pointing fingers at China and scapegoating our country, victimising yourself, yet you're accusing me of scapegoating? Wuhan was lockdown when the coronavirus broke out. The Chinese government even rushed to built a brand new 1,000-bed hospital (Huoshenshan 火神山) in Wuhan in 10 days as promised. Video: Huoshenshan: the hospital built in 10 days in China over coronavirus outbreak youtu.be/l2QfufpwfdY China also built a second 1,600-bed hospital (Leishenshan 雷神山) in Wuhan in 12 days. Video: Time-lapse video shows how Leishenshan hospital completed in 12 days youtu.be/bEVkVdlNaxk Now that China has recovered from the coronavirus, the government lift the lockdown in Wuhan and life in China is pretty much back to normal, with contingencies in place. The reason why China is able to effectively control the coronavirus situation (where many Western countries are failing badly) is thanks to the collective efforts of the government and the people. The Covid-19 pandemic is like a global test that everyone has to take. China studied extremely hard for the exam and passed with flying colours and we are now celebrating our graduation ceremony. Whereas Western countries had extra time to prepare, yet they choose to do nothing. Instead, Westerners laughed at China's answers to the problems, yet now they are claiming China cheated, and now they are blatantly copying China's homework after having labelled them as "draconian" initially. Video: Once upon a virus... youtu.be/Q5BZ09iNdvo
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  26546.  @nemaiemoskalia  Russia's involvement in South Ossetia and Abkhazia, was because Georgia attacked first. In early August 2008, Georgian President Mikheil Saakashvili sent troops into the rebellious province of South Ossetia, and Russia came to its defense. Chechnya had been infiltrated by Islamist fighters declaring it an independent state and calling for holy war. Had this happen in any country, it would be classified as terrorism and separatist and that's how Russia reacted as any country should when there are radical separatist movements in their territory. Today, Chechen fighters are fighting on the side of Russia. Crimea's referendum had the majority (96%) voting to join the Russian Federation, because of the 2014 coup d'etat ousting Yanukoyvch by the USA through leaked audio recordings by Victoria Nuland, and installing their own U.S puppet government in Kiev, and Crimea wanted no part of this new government. We know USA is behind this, because the candidate Nuland picked turned out to be the one that became the next Ukrainian President. "Moreover throughout those 8 years Ukraine and other countries suggested introducing UN peacekeepers to Donbass, but Russia didn't often sabotaged it, though now claims that nobody cared for this problem. " UN peacekeepers would have make the situation even worst, because it would be an excuse to send NATO troops into Donbas, so how would that helped? The Minsk agreements were meant to stop the fighting, include a ceasefire, facilitate withdrawal of heavy weapons from the front line, and institute constitutional reform in Ukraine granting self-government to certain areas of Donbas, which was what Russia supported. But the Minsk agreement wasn't honored. "After this, protests became absolutely massive and he cowardly fled, knowing that his crimes would be investigated (and they were), leaving his huge mansion that became a museum of corruption." Ukraine has a history of corruption (that's why NATO countries are relunctant to admit Ukraine into NATO). Even today Zelenskyy has some $1.2 billion tucked away in off-shore accounts. However, that doesn't change the fact the Yanukoyvch was democratically elected President of Ukraine that was ousted in a coup supported by the United States. "The fact that communists smartly tided up all the republics producing different goods (kinda creating their own supply chain) and had impressive reconstruction doesn't really justify it's totalitarianism that killed millions of its own citizens" Thus far, you failed to list how Russia killed millions of Ukrainian citizens while it was part of the Soviet Union. And you're just going to ignore all that Soviet industrialization of Ukraine while it was part of the USSR? Take the automotive industry for example, the automotive industry in Ukraine was established during the Soviet times and until fall of the Soviet Union was an integral part of automotive industry of the Soviet Union. The first Ukraine-based motor vehicles brands were established in the late 1950s. Ukraine was the only Soviet republic other than Russia manufacturing various types of automobiles and automotive parts with a former annual output of more than 200 thousands units. Whereas today, instead of producing its own cars, Ukraine is importing Western cars because they've lost all their industrialization they gained while as part of the Soviet Union. "Economy in no way can justify that Russia lauches over thousand missiles on it's neighbor, kills thousand of civils and declares that most of Ukrainans turn out to be Nazis, because they fight against invaders." You're trying to conflate Ukraine's industrialization under the Soviet Union with the conflict that's happening now. Ukraine does have Nazis in their National Guard like the Azov Battalion. Even NATO took pictures of the Ukrainian Military and posted pics on Twitter, but after some users pointed out the Ukrainian soldiers wearing Nazi symbols on their insignia, they had to take those pics down. There are many YouTube videos detailing the Nazi movement in Ukraine so it's not as though this appeared suddenly overnight. I suggest you watch Oliver Stone's 2016 documentary entitled Ukraine on Fire to learn more about how the seeds of Nazism were planted in Ukraine and allowed to germinate and spread. "Also it's not like Russia has less corruption" What has Russia's corruption got to do with the fact that Ukraine has corruption? It just shows Ukraine was rejected from joining NATO because of Ukraine government corruption.
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  26575. Gordon been predicting China's economy will fail. Similarly, Western economists have been predicting China's economic downfall since 1990s. Here is compiled list of what Western journalists have to say about China's economy 1990. The Economist: China's economy has come to a halt. 1996. The Economist: China's economy will face hard landing. 1998. The Economist: China's economy entering a dangerous period of sluggish growth. 1999. Bank of Canada: Likelihood of a hard landing for the Chinese economy. 2000. Chicago Tribune: China currency move nails hard landing risk coffin. 2001. Wilbanks, Smith & Thomas: A hard landing in China. 2002. Westchester University: China Anxiously Seeks A Soft Economic landing. 2003. KWR International: How to find a soft landing if China.. 2004. The Economist: The great fall of China? 2005. Nouriel Roubini: The Risk of a Hard Landing in China. 2006. International Economy: Can China Achieve a Soft Landing? 2007. TIME: Is China's Economy Overheating? Can China avoid a hard landing? 2008. Forbes: Hard Landing in China? 2009. Fortune: China's hard landing. China must find a way to recover. 2010. Nouriel Roubini: Hard landing coming in China. 2011. Business Insider: A Chinese Hard Landing May Be Closer Than You Think. 2012. American Interest: Dismal Economic News from China: A Hard Landing. 2013. Zero Hedge: A Hard Landing in China. 2014. CNBC: A hard landing in China. 2015. Forbes: Congratulations, You got Yourself A Chinese Hard Landing.... 2016. The Economist: Hard Landing looms for China. But China's economy is still going strong even in 2018, despite what these folks been saying for almost 30 years.
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  26583. 1990. The Economist: China's economy has come to a halt. 1996. The Economist: China's economy will face hard landing. 1998. The Economist: China's economy entering a dangerous period of sluggish growth. 1999. Bank of Canada: Likelihood of a hard landing for the Chinese economy. 2000. Chicago Tribune: China currency move nails hard landing risk coffin. 2001. Wilbanks, Smith & Thomas: A hard landing in China. 2002. Westchester University: China Anxiously Seeks A Soft Economic landing. 2003. KWR International: How to find a soft landing if China.. 2004. The Economist: The great fall of China? 2005. Nouriel Roubini: The Risk of a Hard Landing in China. 2006. International Economy: Can China Achieve a Soft Landing? 2007. TIME: Is China's Economy Overheating? Can China avoid a hard landing? 2008. Forbes: Hard Landing in China? 2009. Fortune: China's hard landing. China must find a way to recover. 2010. Nouriel Roubini: Hard landing coming in China. 2011. Business Insider: A Chinese Hard Landing May Be Closer Than You Think. 2012. American Interest: Dismal Economic News from China: A Hard Landing. 2013. Zero Hedge: A Hard Landing in China. 2014. CNBC: A hard landing in China. 2015. Forbes: Congratulations, You got Yourself A Chinese Hard Landing.... 2016. The Economist: Hard Landing looms for China. 2017. National Interest: Is China's Economy Going To Crash? 2018. The Daily Reckoning: China's Coming Financial Meltdown. But its already 2019 and China's economy is still going strong, so haven't Western economist been proven consistently wrong for almost 30 years already?
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  26686.  @nicholaslee5473  Because those Chinese research articles have obviously been translated into English in the Institute for Scientific Information in order to be understood by Western scientists. However, everyone knows that during the process of translating from one language to another, some expressions or meanings may be loss through translation. As for the high quantity of publications, China is a relative new-comer to the scientific publications industry. The reason the Chinese government incentivised publications to produce quantity over quality is to build up our initial base. Our scientists started publishing literally from scratch, so publishing huge quantities of papers is needed to gain experience and build up our foundation, of which we can work on to improve on quality publication later. This is the strategy adopted by China to rise in the scientific research fields. …… You said: "This is the classical example of China being China. The global scientific community shares research which is why they use English as a medium." This is where the Western "racist" mindset kicks in. The reason why the Western countries are able to maintain their dominance in the scientific fields, is because they force other non-English speaking countries to adhere to using English in their publications. China is under no obligation to use English for our scientific publications, if Western scientists want access to Chinese papers, then they'll have to learn Chinese in order to fully comprehend the concepts, ideas and terminologies being discussed among Chinese scientists. …… You said: "Publishing it in Mandarin is not an efficient way for technological progress at all for the global scientific community. It's a hoarding behavior and while it may make it easier for scientists in China, it's incompatibility with the world's journals make it even less accurate." I disagree with this accessment. A non-English speaking scientist is more comfortable with his/her own native language, and it may not be efficient for the scientist to communicate concepts and ideas if forced to use only English terminologies. Your statement suggests that non-English speaking countries need to bow down to the power of the West in the scientific fields. And I also disagree that just because Chinese journals may not be compatible with Western journals doesn't imply our publication is inaccurate. China is building up a baseline of scientific publications of our own (like you said earlier) and while it is true that currently it is more quantity than quality, our repository of research publications is only going to improve as time goes by, until hopefully it will become an acceptable and reliable pillar of Chinese scientific publications. …… You said: "Scientific research journals need citations and references from other works, if you are only able to publish in Chinese, you lose a lot of revelant sources which are not in Chinese." This is where the repository of Chinese publications comes into players. Right now the baseline is more quantity than quality like you said, but it's expected to improve with time. I also think Western countries are perhaps a little too obsessed with citations, so much such that the practical applications of their papers are oftentimes overlooked. In the West, researchers often have to worry about funding, so they write papers and cite other peoples work to improve their credibility, so that they can expand their academic circles, get approval of grants so that they can publish more papers. It has degenerated into an academic system and many researcher's ideas remain on paper, instead of being turned into actual products. Whereas in China, research funds are available at all tiers of society, from corporate to government sector, and a struggling research can easily get a $40,000 funding approval, thus freeing the researcher to concentrate on his/her research instead of having to worry about funding. The idea-to-product transition time in China is short too, so many researchers can feel a sense of satisfaction, witnessing their ideas being turned to actual products. …… Lastly, while China may be cutting funding to poor publications, China's R&D expenditure ranks 2nd in the world after the USA. Here is a list of countries by R&D spending. Countries by R&D Spending 1. United States ($612.714 billion) 2. China ($514.798 billion) 3. Japan ($172.614 billion) 4. Germany ($131.932 billion) 5. South Korea ($100.055 billion) 6. France ($63.658 billion) 7. India ($58.691 billion) 8. United Kingdom ($51.702 billion) …… Source:wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_research_and_development_spending#List
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  26687.  @nicholaslee5473  Because Hollywood is driven by making profit in the Chinese movie market, that China can exert influence on Hollywood. For example, making them partner up with local Chinese film companies to co-produce films, possibly casting more Chinese/Asian actors and actresses in order to cater to Chinese audience's tastes, and to allow Asian actors/actresses to gain valuable acting experience and to become more visible in the market. In alien movies, fChinese/Asians are humans* too, the Americans see no problem with casting African Americans (i.e Will Smith in Independence Day) in alien flicks, then why not Asian Americans? …… You said: "African Americans are well-represented because they are Americans." Correct, but so are Asian Americans! Why do many Americans seem to forget that Asian Americans are also Americans? This is part of the perpetual foreigner stereotype that plagues Asian American society, because even though many of them are born in America, went to the same schools as other Americans, yet they are treated like outsiders that don't belong. Source: Perpetual foreigner wikipedia.org/wiki/Perpetual_foreigner Hollywood is indeed experiencing a change because of China. The thing is that Hollywood consistently denies Asian actors/actresses roles in which where a character of Asian descent is played by a Caucasian actor/actress instead. For example, in the Hollywood the Ghost in the Shell movie, the protagonist, major Motoko Kusanagi is played by Caucasian actress Scarlett Johnson. Or the Ancient One of Doctor Strange movie was supposed to be of Tibetan descent, but was casted by Caucasian actress Tilda Swinton and this phenomena is known as white-washing. These are missed opportunities for Asian actors/actresses to get some much needed acting experience to improve their portfolios. The problem with stereotypes is that sometimes they can overwhelm. Even martial arts (which I also embraced as a defining feature of Chinese culture) can backfire, because Asian actors are complaining about how many Hollywood directors expect Asian actors to automatically "know Kung Fu" and to perform martial arts without a background in it. There are rare Hollywood movies where a Chinese/Asian actor takes the male lead, but oftentimes the romance is missing. Like Shanghai Noon, the kissing scenes were by Owen Wilson not Jackie Chan, it's this subtle attempt by Hollywood to paint Asians (especially men) as unattractive. Lastly, yes I agree that it takes skill for Asian actors to portray their roles convincingly. However, in an industry where Asian roles are white-washing, then how do people expect Asians to gain the necessary acting skills and acting experience, if denied the opportunity to shine and increase their exposure? This is the lack of Asian representation plaguing Hollywood today. Hopefully, China's movie market will influence Hollywood to cast more Asian actors/actresses to the give them greater opportunities to shine and gain valuable experience.
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  26690.  @nicholaslee5473  I read your source and it says: Most scientific journals in China are not published in English, which has meant that much of current scientific development in China is not readily available to non–Chinese-speaking scientists. A large portion of these journals however, also have an abstract in English. It's not racist to use English language yes. But it is racist to think that China needs to be forced to adopt the use of English language in our scientific publications, just to contribute to global scientific advancements. English may be the lingua fraca of the 19th and 20th century, but that does not guarantee that it will be always be so, for the 21st century and beyond. And I never said that I'm forcing others towards use Chinese, I'm saying that "if Western scientists want access to Chinese papers, then they'll have to learn Chinese in order to fully comprehend the concepts, ideas and terminologies being discussed among Chinese scientists." I disagree that English was just adopted because it was easier to learn. When I first started learning English, I was confused by its grammatical rules (some that don't make sense) and the sheer volume of vocabulary that needed to be learned. Just take the days of the week for example and in English, it's Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, Saturday and Sunday. But in Chinese it's just 星期一,星期二,星期三,星期四,星期五,星期六,星期天。(i.e Weekday 1, Weekday 2, Weekday 3, Weekday 4, ……) so if you know how to count in Chinese, then it's much easier rather memorising new words like Monday, Wednesday, etc. Even learning the months of the year like January, February, March, April, etc is another memorization headache for new English learners. Whereas in Chinese, the months are 一月,二月,三月, etc (i.e 1st Month, 2nd Month, 3rd Month, etc) About "China being China," China is charting our own path forward, then what's wrong with China following a path different from Western countries? It's no secret today that America is in decline, and China is rising. The trajectories are pretty much set and many economists firmly believe China's economy is expected to surpass the United State's economy sometime in the foreseeable future. If China can achieve this, then what's wrong with our "displays of power"? China is currently at peace and not at war with any country, since our last major conflict in 1979. Instead of making war, China is building infrastructure like roads, railways, highways, bridges, tunnels, powerstations, dams, ports, airports, etc and investing in developing countries like Sri Lanka, Nepal, Bangladesh, Pakistan, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Tajikistan, and also African countries like Nigeria, Kenya, Chad, Sudan, Ghana, Mozambique, Tanzania, etc. Whereas the United States is warmonger being involved in Gulf War, Iraq War, Afghan War, Libyan War, Syrian War, Yemen War, etc, even in the 21st century. USA is bombing in those Middle Eastern countries and enacting regime change by cutting off their "heads" (Saddam Hussein, Muammar Gaddafi, etc) and then installing their own US puppet governments in place. Video: U.S. should focus more on infrastructure rather than warmongering youtu.be/LyhK2PQyE_w Scientists work best in their native languages, what if scientists being forced to use a non-familiar language (like English) is what's hampering actual scientific progress? About whether the information is less impactful globally, it depends on how quickly that scientific research can be put to use in actual applications, such as through tangible products or services. China has the advantage of a short idea-to-product transition time, especially if you come to Shenzhen the scientist's ideas get transformed into applications fast. I believe that my statement that "China is under no obligation to use English for our scientific publications." still stands. The main reason why English dominates the sciences is because many other non-English speaking countries are unable to develop their scientific vocabulary and terminologies to explain the scientific concepts in their native languages. That's why the English language continues to dominate the sciences. As a new-comer to modern scientific publishing, China is building our scientific base and developing our own scientific vocabulary to be on par with English scientific vocabulary someday.
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  26691.  @abbotsful  Currently, Hollywood casting Asian Americans doesn't cater to Chinese markets, because most of the Asian American actors/actresses are largely unknown to mainland China, and yes more mainland Chinese are familiar with our own actors/actresses than Asian Americans. It's because of the lack of exposure of Asian American actors in Hollywood film industries, that's why Chinese audiences are often unfamiliar with them. Asian Americans are also Americans too, and they have served in US military (3.7% as you said). It is improbable yes, but not impossible, and there have been numerous African Americans actors in Hollywood as well as Latino actors. A movie is a play that serves to entertain, but for actors and actresses, it's their lifeline and being casted in a movie increases their chances of catapulting into fame. I agree that at the current state, Asian Americans actors/actresses aren't as familiar a face as mainland Chinese actors/actresses, because of lack of exposure. You mentioned that putting mainland Chinese actors/actresses in lead roles feels out of context if they are not American, but why does Hollywood neglect to cast Asian Americans actors/actresses, who are there clearly to serve as a balance between American culture and Asian culture? The problem with Hollywood is that the lack of exposure of Asian Americans actors/actresses is devolving into a never ending cycle. Asian Americans who lack acting skills and experience aren't being casted. Yet at the same time, they need to be casted in more diverse roles to improve their acting skills and gain experience, so it becomes a never-ending cycle to keep Asian Americans actors/actress in a low profile. About Shanghai Noon, I thought it was an American movie, not a Chinese movie. The audience is expected to be American not Chinese, so why would Jackie Chan's role as an imperial guard frolicking with the emperor's daughter, outrage the audience? Hollywood is American yes, but America is home to many people of different races, including Asian Americans, yet cultural stereotypes about the "perpetual foreigner" still persist in USA and the opportunities for Asian actors in Hollywood are extremely limited. Only 5% of characters in 2017's top 100 grossing films were of Asian descent, with just 4 of the movies featuring an Asian lead character. And 37 of those Top 100 movies has no Asian actors at all. Video: Hollywood’s Asian Problem youtu.be/0L6IRJExiG0 Asian American actors/actresses need more exposure and to be casted in more roles to gain acting skills and experience. But few directors are willing to cast them in roles because they have little to no acting skills and experience. This is the problem plaguing Asian American actors in Hollywood.
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  26694.  @nicholaslee5473  According to your source: Most scientific journals in China are published in Chinese; a few have English translations of abstracts for research articles. Some 189 scientific journals are published in English, of which 29 are health-science journals. Most articles published in English-language scientific journals in China are indexed by Science Citation Index and Engineering Index. I never said that it's racist to use a single language to contribute to easier understanding of the world, I said that it is racist to think China needs to be forced to adopt the use of English language in our scientific publications, just to contribute to global scientific advancements. The reasons why many other non-English speaking countries are unable to fully develop their own scientific terminologies and vocabulary is because they use English language to explain scientific terms which deprives their own native language the opportunity to grow and evolve with science. In China, by publishing research articles in Chinese, our scientists are growing their scientific vocabulary in the process and expanding the use of Chinese in science. A simple poll or survey in English will obviously favor English as an easy language to learn, if conducted in English-speaking countries. But you if you approach this from a non-Native English speaker then it becomes difficult to learn. According to Oxford Royale Academy: Why Is English So Hard to Learn? oxford-royale.com/articles/learning-english-hard/ It’s often said that English is one of the hardest languages to learn. Given the fact that many of the words we use in English stem from Latin and Ancient Greek words – in common with many other European languages – what is it about English that has attracted this reputation for being so fearsomely difficult? It’s often said that English is one of the hardest languages to learn. Given the fact that many of the words we use in English stem from Latin and Ancient Greek words – in common with many other European languages – what is it about English that has attracted this reputation for being so fearsomely difficult? There's so much more about English that makes it difficult than just the 7 days of the week or the 12 months of the year. You said: "Chinese language has a unique sound for every word to ever exist." but this is untrue, at least in the case of Mandarin. Chinese has many homophones where the words sound the same, such as 由于/鱿鱼 (because/squid) 丫头/鸭头 (girl/duck head) and so on. Learning the sound of 26 English alphabets doesn't automatically guarantee that you can pronounce anything, but once you learned how to pronounce Chinese tones, they are repeated for different words that sound the same, there no real need to "learn a new sound." And even if you could pronounce an English word, you'll still have to memorise it's meaning to understand what the word means. Like memorising "Wednesday is the third day of the Week" or "September is the ninth month", it's basically the same memorising as Chinese characters, except that you can often derive meaning from Chinese characters. However, with the various combinations of 26 alphabets lead to a huge vocabulary of English words. As far as I know, China is not intentionally hoarding research, our scientists prefer to express themselves in their preferred form of language that's all and Chinese articles are available in Chinese to any scientists that wants to peruse them, so why are you accusing China of intentionally hoarding research? I agree that it's easier to start from something (if you know the language). But by starting from something it means that over time, you'll become overdependent on that source. Say for instance, USA decides to one day cut off China's access to scientific journals, then we will be in trouble had China chosen to be over reliant on US scientific publications.
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  26696.  @nicholaslee5473  Currently, Hollywood casting Asian Americans doesn't cater to Chinese markets, because most of the Asian American actors/actresses are largely unknown to mainland China, and yes more mainland Chinese are familiar with our own actors/actresses than Asian Americans. It's because of the lack of exposure of Asian American actors in Hollywood film industries, that's why Chinese audiences are often unfamiliar with them. Asian Americans are also Americans too, and they have served in US military (3.7% as you said). It is improbable yes, but not impossible, and there have been numerous African Americans actors in Hollywood as well as Latino actors. A movie is a play that serves to entertain, but for actors and actresses, it's their lifeline and being casted in a movie increases their chances of catapulting into fame. I agree that at the current state, Asian Americans actors/actresses aren't as familiar a face as mainland Chinese actors/actresses, because of lack of exposure. You mentioned that putting mainland Chinese actors/actresses in lead roles feels out of context if they are not American, but why does Hollywood neglect to cast Asian Americans actors/actresses, who are there clearly to serve as a balance between American culture and Asian culture? The problem with Hollywood is that the lack of exposure of Asian Americans actors/actresses is devolving into a never ending cycle. Asian Americans who lack acting skills and experience aren't being casted. Yet at the same time, they need to be casted in more diverse roles to improve their acting skills and gain experience, so it becomes a never-ending cycle to keep Asian Americans actors/actress in a low profile. About Shanghai Noon, I thought it was an American movie, not a Chinese movie. The audience is expected to be American not Chinese, so why would Jackie Chan's role as an imperial guard frolicking with the emperor's daughter, outrage the audience? Hollywood is American yes, but America is home to many people of different races, including Asian Americans, yet cultural stereotypes about the "perpetual foreigner" still persist in USA and the opportunities for Asian actors in Hollywood are extremely limited. Only 5% of characters in 2017's top 100 grossing films were of Asian descent, with just 4 of the movies featuring an Asian lead character. And 37 of those Top 100 movies has no Asian actors at all. Video: Hollywood’s Asian Problem youtu.be/0L6IRJExiG0 Asian American actors/actresses need more exposure and to be casted in more roles to gain acting skills and experience. But few directors are willing to cast them in roles because they have little to no acting skills and experience. This is the problem plaguing Asian American actors in Hollywood.
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  26697.  @nicholaslee5473  You said: "China's war is with the U.S." China does not want war, but that does not mean that China is afraid of war. Western countries' MSM are constantly painting China in a negative light and "demonising" our country, that's why China has no choice but to take necessary defensive measures. For example, Trump's tariffs and US sanctions on China is the US attempt to contain China's rise. American chips are banned from being used in China and Chinese companies like Huawei are banned in USA, others like Tik Tok (by Bytedance) and WeChat are being targeted, so possibly the same thing could happen when USA tries to lock China out of scientific publications. That's why China needs to take the necessary precautions against such possible actions, and to build up our scientific publications database of our own. Once again, I would like to reiterate that China does not hoard research, our scientific articles are clearly available in Chinese language for perusal by scientists and it is racist to think that China should alter our scientific publications to be in English. China is under no obligation to use English for scientific publications. While English was the lingua fraca of the 19th and 20th century, there is no guarantee that it will remain so for the 21st century and beyond. The English language was able to dominate the world through 19th century British colonialism as well as the 20th century United States emergence as a world superpower, but for the 21st century, it is forecasted to be an "Asian century" with the rise of China. It's true that currently, the English scientific database is strong and reliable with centuries of scientific work and China is a relative new-comer to the scene, however this may not always be the case in the future, as China builds upon our own scientific research database. I believe that although it's initially disadvantageous in the short term, the benefits of China's scientific research will eventually pay off in the long term, and China needs to take necessary defensive measures to guard against the US attempt to contain our rise. China has world's 2nd largest military spending, I agree, but impressive as it is, it still pales in comparison to the number 1 military spending in the world, the USA's. USA spends more money on defense than the next 10 countries' combined. List of countries by military expenditures 1. United States ($778.0 billion) 2. China ($253 billion) 3. India ($72.9 billion) 4. Russian Federation ($61.7 billion) 5. United Kingdom ($59.2 billion) 6. Saudi Arabia ($57.5 billion) 7. Germany ($52.8 billion) 8. France ($52.7 billion) 9. Japan ($49.1 billion) 10. South Korea ($45.7 billion) …… Source: List of countries by military expenditures wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_military_expenditures#Total_military_spending Indeed, China suffered under the Century of Humiliation (百年国耻) when Western powers invaded China and plundered our cultural artefacts (many of which are now on display in Western museums) and that's the driving force behind the "Chinese Dream" (中国梦) of the eventual rejuvenation of Chinese civilization. However, China does not seek to visit the atrocities commited on China onto the rest of the world. China doesn't seek revenge on the West per say, only to restore our country back to it's former glory before the 19th century Opium Wars. Looking at Chinese history, even at the height of China's power (say during the Ming Dynasty) China did not seek to colonise places that weren't previously under Han control. Ming Dynasty naval forces were among the most advanced of it's time and Admiral Zheng He 郑和 led a fleet of ships through seven voyages throughout the Indian Ocean, visiting Africa, India and the Middle East. However it was a peaceful merchant armada to trade with other countries, not conquer them like what the Western colonial powers did centuries later. Video: Crash Course History: Zheng He youtu.be/NjEGncridoQ?t=126 Given China's relatively peaceful nature during the height of Chinese civilization, I am inclined to think that China intends to preserve this peaceful form of coexistence if China becomes number one in the future. The question is not whether China will rise peaceful, it is whether China will be allowed to rise peacefully.
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  26702.  @abbotsful  What about those PLA Chinese soldiers getting burned alive because supposedly "peaceful" protestors threw petrol bombs and ignited military trucks and tanks? What about the PLA soldiers who refused to open fire, but got mobbed by unarmed "protestors" and had their rifles stolen and fired against them? Had the Chinese government not taken firm action at that time, then chaos would have erupted, possibly plunging China into civil strife and wiping away decades of peace and progress in our country. So clearly, China made the difficult but necessary decision at that time to ensure that stability returned to China and many people in China have since moved on from 1989. But many Westerners constantly want to return to 1989 because they don't want to wake up to a reality where China is faring well under the communist party leadership. I mean, what happened has happened, and time has shown that Chinese government made the right call, we are more prosperous today under the CPC, than any previous time in Chinese history. I have read many of your previous comments and come to the conclusion that you don't really care about China, except to criticize China maliciously. I mean, for what other reason do you constantly return to an event that most people in China have since moved on? People like you refuse to move on, because you're unable to accept the fact that Chinese government has since learnt valuable lessons from previous mistakes and take the necessary steps not to repeat them.
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  26703.  @abbotsful  You barely register any interest in China's positive achievements, look at your responses here and it's mostly just one-liners about China's achievements. Even your comment about computers was previously mentioned by me. About poverty in China, according to the World Bank, China's poverty rate fell from 88% in 1981 to a mere 0.7% in 2015. According to UNESCO, adult literacy rate in China increased from 65.5% in 1982 to a whopping 96.4% in 2015. This is an impressive feat considering that China is world's most populous country, yet attaining 0.7% poverty and 96.4% literacy. Source: Poverty in China wikipedia.org/wiki/Poverty_in_China Source: Statista Adult literacy in China 1982-2015 statista.com/statistics/271336/literacy-in-china …… I really don't understand what's your problem with whether I'm born late or not. You clearly stated earlier that you had "no problem" then why do you keep on bringing up whether I was born or not? And again, how did I buy up the "lies that covered it up" when I quoted Western sources like Jay Matthews and Gregory Clark? I never quoted anything regarding the Communist Party with regards to 1989, so why do you keep on claiming that "it's the history written by the party that you believe"? The Chinese government had been negotiating with the student protesters for months who said there was no negotiation? What makes you think a bunch of students (who haven't even graduated, find a job, get married, settle etc) would know how to govern China better than the Chinese government? Here's a video of Tiananmen Square negotiation between Deng Xiaoping with student protesters. (video:youtu.be/qPjwDXohuys ) The students were brash and aggressive, making unreasonable demands of Deng, to which Deng calmly refuted. …… Lastly, you yourself admitted that "it's true that you used to think that 1000s of students had been killed inside the square and that mass media has been lazy, possibly intentionally biased in their reporting". This is ironic, because earlier you repeatedly accused me of being born late and being fooled by the "history written by the party" but here you are, being born early (I assume, since you assumed I was born late) yet you were fooled by biased Western reporting of thousands of students killed inside Tiananmen Square. Can't you see how you've been fooled by Western reporting of Tiananmen Square, yet you accused me of being fooled by the history supposedly written by the communist party?
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  26704.  @nicholaslee5473  Even for the average Joe in America, who doesn't want to spend time in China or work here, it still pays to learn about China, because China is rising and going to play a bigger role about future affairs. Yet many Americans aren't interested in learning about other countries outside of America. Chinese Americans are American born and generations past true, but they have a link to China, whereas your average non-Chinese American has absolutely no heritage link to China whatsoever. More mainland Chinese are able to identify with a Chinese American, rather than a non-Chinese American. Yes it takes time to get to know new faces but all it takes is more exposure that's all. On one hand, you claim Hollywood needs China's box office so they cast mainland Chinese actors. On the other hand, you claim Hollywood putting people like these in lead roles is a problem because they are not American and would be very out of context if they were in the lead roles. So the solution is simple, just cast Asian American actors since they are Americans after all. Culture stereotypes is difficult to counter yes, but if you don't start somewhere, then it will never be countered. Hollywood has certainly been inclusive for African American and Latino American actors/actresses, but the same can't be said for Asian Americans. If Asians aren't being cast because of lack of acting skills or experience, then how are they going to gain acting skills and experience if they don't get cast? Video: Only 3 Asian Actors Have Won An Oscar...Ever youtu.be/0YZV8J_0nCw
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  26706.  @abbotsful  You have never been nice to me, you constantly accused me of "believing the history written by the party" even though I clearly cited Western sources, then why should I be nice to you? The truth is that you don't really care China, except to criticise China maliciously. I don't understand, why is it that you can bring up China's achievements in computing, then why is it when I do the same, it's being labelled as "China is awesome facts to throw at laowai"? Why can't I bring up positive achievements about China? Besides supercomputers, Chinese scientists also built quantum computing machine that is 24,000 times faster than international counterparts and 10-100 times faster than the first electronic computer, ENIAC. Source: World's First Quantum Computer Made By China fossbytes.com/worlds-first-quantum-computer-made-by-china/ The quantum computer is built by a team of Chinese scientists working at the University of Science and Technology of China, at Hefei in Anhui province. The researchers believe that quantum computing could excel the processing power of supercomputers. Pan Jianwei, a quantum physicist, and an academician at the Chinese Academy of Sciences, said that quantum computing makes use of quantum superposition principle for ultra-fast parallel calculation and simulation capabilities. …… Most Chinese have since moved on from 1989. But if you agree with me that no one died that night in Tiananmen Square Jun 1989, then at least we are in agreement in this area. Do you? And my sources are from the West, like Matthews and Clark, then what makes you claim that it's from the Communist Party of China? The student protesters have been negotiating with the Chinese government for months since April till June 1989, so what other options are there? Again, what makes you think a bunch of university undergraduates somehow know the best way to govern China over the Chinese government? You outwardly admitted that you have been previously fooled by Western media claims of 1000s of deaths inside Tiananmen Square Jun 1989, it was actually thanks to me bringing up these issues to show that Tiananmen Square Massacre was a Myth. Yet you still make the assumption just because that "I'm born late" and "I wasn't alive at that time" that you somehow knew better than me? You didn't know that Tiananmen Square Massacre is a Myth until I brought up this discussion after all, what's your point whether I was alive at that time or not? You were fooled by Western media into believing the Tiananmen Square Massacre myth after all, yet you look down on me because I was born late? You really never said anything nice to me, then why should I be nice to you? All this time, you've been looking down on me, then why should I look up to you? I'm the one literally educating you that there was no bloodshed inside Tiananmen Square Jun 1989, yet you look down on me for being born late. China has lifted 700 million people out of poverty by international standards in just 40 years, whereas the whole rest of the world only lifted 150 million by comparison. Video: Historical achievement: Take 700 million out of poverty youtu.be/CljWffPgmG8 "China has lifted 728 million people out of poverty by international standards. The whole rest of the world has only lifted 152 million." - John Ross, Well-known columnist in UK, Former Deputy mayor of London.
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  26751. China was once democratic when Dr Sun Yatsen overthrew Qing dynasty and established Republic of China. It lasted for 38 years (1912-49) but during this messy period, China was not unified. Tibet broke away from China, and many warlords ruled over individual provinces of China. Sun tried get assistance from the Western powers, but they mocked China for attempting to copy their governing system. China was part of Allies during WW1, but Westerners gave away Chinese Shandong Province (which Germans captured) to Japan, instead returning it to China. Dr Sun died before he could realize a unified China. Next China tried communism, and under Mao Zedong China was finally unified under People's Republic of China, which the previous ROC administration failed to achieve. Mao managed to expel foreign influence from China, but while he was brilliant strategist able to seize control of China over KMT, he was also a poor governor. His policies led China to economic disaster, and he even made self-criticism, and stepped down as state chairman after failure of Great Leap Forward. So Deng Xiaoping stepped forward, and introduce capitalist reforms in 1970s since the communist market just wasn't working out, and thanks to his reforms, China has opened up to the Western markets, and modernized. According to World Bank, China’s poverty rate fell from 88% in 1981 to mere 6.5% in 2012. Literacy rate of China increased from 65.5 % in 1982 to 96.4 % in 2015 growing at an average annual rate of 10.39%. Things finally looking up as China modernizes itself under CPC leadership and this is the same party that governed China previously in "Red Communism" China. Today, President Xi Jinping is leading China, and the government follows what's been described as socialism with Chinese characteristics. Today China is world's 2nd largest economy in, with strong land army PLA to deter Britain and Japan from invasion like they did in the path, as well as having big presence in global political stage and potential rival to USA. China also has Belt and Road Initiative that plans to expand economic development to Europe and all the states in between Europe and China. As you can see, it was not easy for China to arrive at where we are today. China was democratic once, but it didn't work out well, and while communism unified the country, our economy suffered. So now China is pursuing our own governing system our own way that is suited for China. Most Westerners are still "stuck" in the "Red Communist China" when most Chinese have long since moved on from that phase. As long as the current government can continue to create economic growth, Chinese people see little need to drastically change the system as it is.
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  26752. +Peter Bryne What makes you think Mao is not great strategist? He turned the communist party of China, from small group of only 50 members in the beginning of 1921, into the ruling party of People's Republic of China in 1949, going against initially superior numbers of the KMT, the Japanese and other foreign powers. How is this not considered brilliant strategy by anyone's measures? Even Western scholars have acknowledged his strategies such as the Long March. Are you sure you have read a fair amount on this subject? Do you think it was all attributed to luck? Just because self criticism is communist trait, so it automatically means its wrong to do so? At least Chinese leaders have reflected on past mistakes and make the effort to learn from it. But what about in USA, when President Bush invaded Iraq on suspicion of harboring WMD, only to find out that there weren't any WMD? Where is the "self-criticism" for Bush to reflect on that unnecessary invasion? He only did that because Americans were angry over 9/11 bombing, and that they needed something for them to vent their frustrations out against, which is why USA invaded Iraq. The West actually opposed China's entry in to the World Trade Organization. According the following source, China aimed to be included as a WTO founding member (which would validate it as a world economic power) but this attempt was thwarted because United States, European countries, and Japan requested that China first reform various tariff policies, including tariff reductions, open markets and industrial policies. The United States imposed additional conditions on China, and when China joined the WTO, it agreed to considerably harsher conditions than other developing countries China and the World Trade Organization en.wikipedia.org/wiki/China_and_the_World_Trade_Organization Those poverty figures were obtained from the World Bank, not from CPC, so are you implying that the World Bank is wrong in its assessment of China? The literacy rate in China also obtained from UNESCO, so why are you claiming that the data is from CPC? Exactly what do you even know about China's education system? As of 2013, China is the most popular country in Asia for international students and ranks 3rd in overall among countries. China's education ranks third among countries that host the most international students, usnews.com/education/best-global-universities/articles/2013/10/08/explore-the-worlds-top-universities Like I said, it is clear that most Westerners like you are still "stuck" in this "Red Communism" China mindset, whereas many Chinese people and the government have long since moved beyond this period and put it behind us. Also, why do foreigners like you care what happens to people in China? Those things happen to Chinese people, and if Chinese people can forgive the government, then why should foreigner like you make noise? There so many crimes and atrocities committed in the world by people on another ethnic race, such as Rape of Nanjing and Unit 731 by Japanese soldiers, as well as European people genocide of American native people, occupying their lands and importing slaves from Africa, so why single out what Chinese people did to Chinese here? People like you have obviously been poisoned by Western media, and just regurgitate same old biased viewpoints. In China, organ harvesting used to be conducted on deathrow prisoners with their or their relatives permission(and of course, they are taken only after execution) and they are donated to families of the deceased, but this process is also being phased out by the government. The Sanlu milk powder scandal affected everyone in China as well as in rest of the world, but the culprit has been arrested and government has been taking measures to improve safety standards to ensure such things do not happen again. And what's this about fisherman refusing to rescue drowning students all about? That is not related to the government, and China is vast country so you can't label all Chinese people like that. Besides, if they let the student drown, what makes you think that the fisherman is able to find the "bodies" afterwards? You are just spreading malicious lies without much basis behind them. The government that governed China during "Red China" period, is still the same government that lifted 600 million people out of poverty in 30 years. Just for comparison, the entire population of the continent of Africa is about 1.2 billion people. So in effect, the Chinese government lifted a number of people equal to half of Africa's entire population out of poverty in decades, compared to what Western powers have done in Africa for centuries. This phenomena has been quoted as being "unprecedented" in human history, even by Western scholars, and many people believe such an astonishing is unlikely to be repeated again elsewhere by other countries, especially in such short duration.
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  26753. +Peter Byrne You think every war strategy has to be about attacking the enemy all the time? The Communist party was initially heavily outnumbered by KMT forces and it is this Long March retreat, that enabled the communists to bide their time and survive while waiting for opportunity to strike back. You clearly haven't read Sun Zi's "The Art of War" to know how to fight numerically superior opponent with smaller numbers. It was thanks to Long March that CCP was able to survive the odds against KMT and eventually won in the end, that's why it is called good strategy, not simply because it is a retreat alone. According to your source, again it demonstrates the tactics used by communist party, from being on the verge of extinction by KMT, to seizing complete control over China. The CCP were numerically inferior to KMT and Japanese forces, so of course they can't engage the enemy directly and resorted to guerilla warfare and sabotage mission instead, and relied on KMT and Japanese to wear each other down. That course of action is still a demonstration of good strategy in any real warfare textbook. You are constantly framing this issue in "moral" point of view, but not in a "strategic" point of view. Otherwise, how could CCP hope to defeat the numerically superior KMT and Japanese forces. You think "morality" alone is enough to justify KMT's reasons for figthing? The source claims that KMT were busy uniting the country, but it still failed, because China was adminstered by KMT from 1912-1949 (38 years) but they still failed to unify a divided China. Tibet was not part of China during this period and many regions ruled by warlords and the Japanese were also invading China. Also, remember that Chinese Civil War was actually started by KMT during Shanghai massacre of 12 April 1927, when 5,000-10,000 communists were purged. So exactly how is KMT considered "unifying" China here? In war, there is no such thing as right or wrong, and in the end, whoever gains control of China is the true victor, and nobody expected the communist party to be able to defeat KMT and claim all of China. That is why I said Mao is good strategist here, because his actions eventually led CCP to triumph over its adversaries. As for self-criticism, I don't understand why you think the the government hasn't admitted their mistake during Great Leap Forward and so on. According to Baidu (Chinese version of Wikipedia) it is explicitly stated that the Chinese government regards Great Leap Forward as unprecedented economic catastrophe, and that the government is also taking actions to correct this problem. There is even estimated death toll of 21.58 million Chinese people. So what is wrong with "self-criticism" here? At least it is still an admission of some sort. Baidu: Great Leap Forward (in Chinese) baike.baidu.com/item/大跃进 Baidu: Great Leap Forward (Translated) translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&u=https%3A%2F%2Fbaike.baidu.com%2Fitem%2F%25E5%25A4%25A7%25E8%25B7%2583%25E8%25BF%259B&edit-text=&act=url The communist government has learn harsh lessons from these mistakes and long since moved on without following the path of Marxism/Maoism, but can you say the same thing for USA and its invasion of Iraq? Even when after Bush, and after no WMD were found after invading Iraq, America still continued to engage in wars in the Middle East, such as in Afghanistan and Libya. Who is the government here that hasn't learnt from its mistakes? Because US has two-party system, they can easily blame the opposing party for all of America's faults. But in China's government, both the good things and bad things are attributed to the communist party all the time, and the communist party that maintains China's economic growth today is the same government that ruled China during Maoist period. Even if you keep on dismissing all statistics from World Bank or UNESCO as being from CPC, then what about the article claiming China is 3rd most popular destination for international students? Those statistics are derived from the number of students that choose to study abroad in China, so isn't this a reliable indication of progress of China's education system? Since it is the best in the region according to that article, that means that more international students visit Chinese universities, than they do for Japanese universities or S. Korean universities. So why are you still acting like every statistic out of China is faked? The government of China has made it very clear that China is NOT exporting our form of governance to other countries, so why do you still complain about China meddling in your affairs and trying to promote our ideology? What about USA traveling halfway across the world to spread its ideology in Vietnam, Korea, Iraq, Afghanistan and other parts of Asia and Middle East? Which country is the one actively promoting its ideology even till today, to the point that it is willing to go to war with other countries? China does not believe in spreading our ideology, unlike Soviet Russia, or USA with democracy. You think Falun Gong is good? Why? Are you a member of it then? Otherwise, what business is Falun gong to you when you only heard one side of the story? Just like "live" organ harvesting here, what makes you automatically assume that the organs are even taken "live" at all? It is clearly made up by Falun gong to demonize the government, by its phrasing. Also, you mentioned that China has 50,000-80,000 people just suddenly go missing EVERY year unreported? So in the last 5 years alone, 250,000-400,000 people have all varnished? That's almost quarter to half of million people missing just like that. And Chinese people don't know anything about it? China Uncensored is not the most trustworthy source for reliable news about China and most of it is just funded propaganda meant to criticize China's government and conceal China's progress. Why don't you come to China yourself and see what its like instead of watching online videos only? Here is fun 2 minute video about the nightview of 11 cities in China. Beautiful Night View of China 2016 (11 cities in 2 minutes) youtube.com/watch?v=G7ZRa-w9xyA
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  26754. +Peter Byrne My motivation was that China has tried various political systems before, including democracy, but it failed to work out for China. China has also tried communism, and while it worked to unify China, where previous administration failed, it did not help our economy, so the government changed. China today is no longer Marxist, but neither is it fully democratic and our economy been described as more capitalist than some Western countries. Today China follows "socialism" with Chinese characteristics, so why can't China follow our own path different from the West? Must all countries adopt Western democracy to be successful? No, and China is living proof of that. Exactly what do you even know about strategy? In strategy, the ends justify the means, and you have to cunning and sneaky to win. CPC had numerically inferior numbers, and had CPC fought the Japanese directly, they would have failed and be completely wiped out. How is your approach considered strategy at all? Like I said, you frame "morality and righteousness" over real "strategy". You call Long March a "retreat," but still it is a move that enabled CCP to survive to eventually defeat KMT in 1949. That is real strategy, not the "righteous" point of view you are trying to impose here. Are you sure you even read "The Art of War" by Sun Zi (both Sun Zi and Sun Tzu are acceptable) at all? One of the chapters mentions the use of deception in warfare. Quoted and translated, it is "The strong must appear weak and the weak must appear strong" and Mao has demonstrated this ability a few times. Even looking at Mao Zedong's Wikipedia page en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mao_Zedong you can find the word "strategy" mentioned number of times, so why are you keep on denying that Mao Zedong is a strategist here? Those "uprisings" were conducted against the other provincial warlords like the Zhili clique and so on, and not directly against the KMT. Jiang Jieshi initiated an unprovoked purge of Communist parties within the KMT, and that is known to be the starting point of the Chinese Civil war. Virtually every textbook defines KMT's purging of communist as the beginnings of the Chinese Civil war here. It should also be noted that KMT was unpopular among Chinese peasants and heavily corrupted during Chinese Civil War, having hoarded material, armament and military-aid funding. President Truman even made comment saying "the Chiangs, the Kungs and the Soongs (were) all thieves" after pocketing almost $750 million in US aid. Under Chinese laws, the government reserves the right to censor information, so what's wrong with this? If Cambridge wants to publish books and articles on Chinese lands, then of course they will be subject to Chinese laws here. Also, what has your fisherman not rescuing students got to do with Chinese government or Chinese people? In your source, Chinese people themselves expressed outrage, and the fisherman is not "communist party agent" or anything, so what has it got to do with this issue at all? Does that lone fisherman represent all of China, its people and our government? My Baidu link to Great Leap Forward, shows you that Chinese people are aware of it, and that the party has made a self-criticism of the GLF and made amends to rectify its effects. If China was truly that censored, then why not cover up GLF in the first place and deny its death toll altogether? All your source seems to come from China Uncensored, so what makes you think that it is reliable, when you quote it as your source? Haven't you ever notice that hardly any news media, both Western or Chinese, ever talks about your so-called "live" organ harvesting? Only China Uncensored seems interested in propagating the rumors, so what makes you think that organ harvesting continues even till today? If it was such a bother for foreigner like you, then why don't President Trump approach President Xi Jinping to talk about supposed "live" organ harvesting? Why doesn't Angela Merkel or other European leader approach China to talk about this issue? Because there is still insufficient proof altogether. You mean some figures are able to enough prove that such things are being carried out on daily basis? Why doesn't rest of the world even care about this atrocities at all? Since you been to China, then you know that all those wonders were achieved under the communist party, which is the same party that led China through Red Communist China. Building modern China was not easy process, and it was built upon the sweat and blood, tears and sacrifice of Chinese people to turn a war-torn, poor and starving country, into the economic powerhouse and potential rival to USA. Along the way, there are bound to be mistakes and failures, and only by trial and error, did Chinese government managed to become what it is today. Every country deserves its own shot at success, so why can't Chinese government follow our own path to success by ourselves? Here is another beautify video capturing various viewpoints of China by a foreigner. It has almost everything good and bad about China, from mountains and deserts, ancient monuments to modernization, from coal plants and oil rigs to wind and solar energy, from ghost cities to megacities, from destruction to construction. It can be considered the face of truth about what China really is, all in just 4 minutes. China From Above by Stef Hoffer youtube.com/watch?v=p1e68fqMkME
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  26755. +Peter Byrne Neither does your motivation explain exactly why you are here. You think communism is evil and CCP is interfering in your affairs and trying promote it's ideology outside China. Then what about USA spreading democracy across the Pacific Ocean into Asia? Isn't that spreading ideology as well? As for CPC spreading communism, those "communist" apps are only available to Chinese citizens. And the Cambridge article only applies to the government censoring information of China Quarterly within China. So exactly how do these points align with you motivation that CPC is trying promote its ideology outside China? President Trump's election has also spawned numerous political apps in America. According to following source, more than 60 mobile apps on politics have been created due to Trump becoming President of USA. usatoday.com/story/tech/news/2017/02/21/political-apps-all-rage-trump-era/98063488/ So what is wrong with Chinese government promoting "communist" apps in Chinese phones? If you watch your own source carefully, it says those apps are available, but does that mean every Chinese person has to make use of those apps? It says "*If* you wanna brush up on knowledge of Marxist, ... ... If you wanna singalong to communist songs.... If you wanna hear retellings of Long March... If you want to virtually sweep tombs..." so what is wrong with these apps? Nobody is forcing Chinese citizens to make use of them if they don't want to. Why are you suddenly drawing attention Stalin here? What has Stalin's strategies got to do with Mao here? Stalin performed wave attacks because he had numerically superior troops, but the communist party did not had such numbers. You are switching the topic about just to confuse me here by introducing other concepts here. Like I said, in strategy, as long as you achieve your objective, which for CCP is control over China, then isn't that strategy considered successful? After all, CCP is the one in control of mainland China, not KMT. You obviously have not read the real "Art of War", if you think a general can win by not being "underhanded." You are imposing your own Western Ideals of "righteousness" here. According to Sun Zi, All warfare is based on deception. Hence, when we are able to attack, we must seem unable; when we are near, we must make the enemy believe we are far away; when far away, we must make him believe we are near. What has Geneva Convention suddenly got to do with war strategy now? I'm sure you at least heard of Western saying: "All's fair in love and war" which means whatever soldiers in wartime are not bound by the rules of fair play. Spies, torture, lying, backstabbing, making deals with enemies, selling out allies, bombing civilians, wounding instead of killing, and so on are "fair game" in the sense that by taking these options off of the table you are only "limiting" yourself: Your opponent has no reason to comply to your moral standards. Even if you really never read "Art of War" this phrase should at least be familiar to you. There were few thousands communists that escaped from KMT, but after the Yan'An rectification movement, the CCP's numbers swelled, from less than 10,000 troops after Long March, to nearly 2.8 million members according to en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yan'an_Rectification_Movement#Background What makes you think that tens of thousands of patriotic youth were persecuted? The CCP were short of numbers against KMT, so why persecute those people who have come to join the CCP? How do you expect CCP to achieve a strength of over 2.8 million at the end of the movement, by persecuting tens of thousands of people? Every person recruited by the party during this period was too valuable to waste, therefore it is extremely unlikely that persecutions in such larges numbers ever happened. Regarding fisherman story, if CCP really destroyed Chinese "morality" like you claim, then why are there Chinese people outraged by the fisherman's actions in your source? If the CPC promote capitalism, then why did the teens risk their lives to rescue the children? You are obviously being biased here, and just associating every "bad trait" to the CCP, even when your "link" to them, is shaky. You think every Chinese person's actions are controlled by the government is that it? Once again, it all boils down to lack of evidence to back up your claims of "live" organ harvesting. You claim you have evidence of doctors involved defecting, recordings of hospital staff, then why don't confront China on these issues directly? You claim you have the "evidence" of live organ harvesting, but do not want to reveal it to the world? You claim to have witness a petition, but what has it achieved? Ultimately, whether real or imagined, this is internal affair within China, so what business is it of yours? Even looking at your wording, you said "live" harvesting right? That means while the person is still alive? Whatever is the benefit to harvesting organs "live" at all? Realistically, nobody does that, and what's the point of "terrorizing" people by live organ harvesting, when it is all supposedly hushed up? Have you actually stopped to think carefully about this rumor that you keep on propagating because of "news" you heard? If you claim CCP didn't brought success to China, and imply that "any other government" could have achieved what CCP did, then why not compare China to world's largest democracy, India. India has world's 2nd largest population after China, therefore, the 2nd largest workforce. Indian workers tend to speak English, whereas many Chinese workers still struggle with English, and India is democratic, while China is communist. Republic of India was founded in 1947, two years before People's Republic of China was founded in 1949. Yet in the last 30 years, China has surpassed India in many aspects. So no, I don't think China would have managed such level of success without CCP's help. Its easy to simply claim that "another government could have done it better" in hindsight, but in reality, hindsight is 50/50 Regarding censorship in China, while it true that access to Western websites like Youtube, Facebook, etc, are blocked, you can still use VPN to access Western websites. Many MNCs and foreign trade enterprises in China operate using Western websites, so they are granted special VPN licenses while in China. But of course they are subject to Chinese internet rules while operating in China. It is clear that perhaps you are still "stuck" in Red Communist China, when many Chinese people have long since moved on from that turbulent time. In this next video, instead of aerial view, it is time-lapsed street view of 3 modern Chinese cities. It starts off slow, but after 1 minute it shows these cities modernization while retaining some Chinese cultural heritage sites. Throughout the video you can observe the many foreign brands and companies in China and that most of them operate their own VPN in order to access Western websites. It also has more of the beautiful and colourful Chinese night life, seen this time from the point of view of someone on the street. Amazing China! (Guangzhou, Shanghai, Shenzhen) youtube.com/watch?v=RSgdUVxNrbM All these previous videos are all non-political in nature, and not trying force a message down your throat or anything. Whenever possible, I take these from foreigner point of view of China, and the images depict China as they see it. Its a pity that you will only probably visit China only after CCP is gone, because from many people's views, the CCP is likely here to stay for long while.
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  26756. +Peter Byrne You are welcome to disagree about "Art of War" if you want, but it should be known that Art of War originated in 500 BC so its written about 2500 years ago and corresponded to a different time altogether. But it is still being taught at major military academies worldwide, including United States Military Intelligence personnel. UN veto is probably what makes keeps the UNSC "paralyzed" and unable to function effectively. China and Russia may have vetoed against USA, but similarly USA has also vetoed against our countries. But it should at least be noted that out of the 5 UNSC permanent members, China vetos the least number of times at only 11 whereas USA and Russia hold the most at 79 and 106 at this moment in time (2017) United Nations Security Council veto power en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Security_Council_veto_power#Most_common_users With regards to organ harvesting, there is an international panel of experts that have debunked such rumors according to the following source, claiming that the allegations that 60,000 to 100,000 organ transplants are performed in China each year using organs from so called "prisoners of conscience," are ridiculous Spotlight: Experts slam rumors of organ harvesting in China news.xinhuanet.com/english/2016-08/20/c_135617600.htm Although the above source is from Chinese media, the panel of experts are from international organizations such as -Francis Delmonico, former president of the Transplantation Society and professor of Harvard Medical School at the Massachusetts General Hospital -Michael Millis, professor of Surgery and chief of the Section of Transplantation of the University of Chicago Hospitals -José Nuñez, medical officer in charge of global organ transplantation at the World Health Organization. Nuñez also remarked that 60,000 and 100,000 organ transplants are equal to the transplant activity of the entire world and is practically impossible. For example, in 2015 there is estimated total of 120,000 organ transplants occurring world wide. Estimated number of organ transplantations worldwide in 2015 (total: 126,670) statista.com/statistics/398645/global-estimation-of-organ-transplantations/ For religion in China, China has had many religions coexisting relatively peacefully with each other, with Taoism, Buddhism, Confucianism (not really a religion, more like set of principles) as well as Islam and Christianity. However, there never been any Crusade, Holy wars or Jihad throughout Chinese history. Judaism is forms quite minor part of Chinese history, but because both of us share many similar values, such as respect for family and elders, resulting in harmonious coexistence. Both of us also value specific character traits, like thriftiness, cunning and having a knack for business. For example, Jews are known to be thrifty, calculative businessmen, very much the same way most people describe Chinese businessmen. It is this sharing of similar traits that makes us close. Ultimately though, China is atheist state, and puts the government above any religious organization. Therefore, religion should never be allowed to interfere with effective governance. Christianity and Islam are allowed in China, but there has to be clear distinction between politics and religion. But as long as there isn't interference, then you are free to practice whatever religion you want in China. Falun Gong has been described as a cult, hijacking traditional Chinese practices like Qigong. The government doesn't ban Qigong, because it is truly ancient tradition of China, with 4000 years history, and early morning in China you can find many people practicing real Qigong, not Falun Gong, which only existed since 1990s. That should already set off alarm bells that it is probably a cult. Here are some other people's point of view Scholars refute Falungong's organ rumor culteducation.com/group/1254-falun-gong/29725-scholars-refute-falungong-s-organ-rumor.html -Wimal Hewamanage, a senior lecturer on Pali and Buddhist studies at Sri Lanka's University of Colombo, said, "I've spent many years in China and have seen no evidence to suggest the Chinese government forces Falungong practitioners to donate organs." -"Absolutely, Falungong is one of the most destructive cults, which destroys human minds and physical health," said Alexander L. Dvorkin, a professor from St. Tikhon's Orthodox University in Moscow." Even in Holy city of Jerusalem, Falun Gong posters at the gates are taken down. culteducation.com/group/1254-falun-gong/27349-chinese-cult-illegally-takes-jerusalem-s-main-gate.html About strategy again, you can reject use of underhanded means to achieve victory, but then, you are only depriving yourself of an option, and your adversary has no reason not to use underhanded methods as necessary. Take for example, terrorists, who often use civilians in their causes. I am not justifying the cause of terrorists, but I am saying that their methods are effective, since the world's most powerful military, the USA, is still unable to defeat them and claim victory, even after 15 years of warfare. With Mao, I am comparing his strategy, which enabled the small Chinese communist party to grow to become governing party of world's most populous nation today. That is real strategy, that even neutral and objective Western scholars have acknowledged Mao as strategist, so I am not alone in my thinking here. China has long since progressed beyond Red Communism during Mao's era, and embrace capitalism today. Did you watch the Amazing China! (Guangzhou, Shanghai, Shenzhen) video I posted? Did you notice many foreign companies in China, and many of them have VPN license by government to access Western websites. Guangzhou is very colorful at night, and do the Chinese people look like they are being repressed... ... or celebrating China's modernization? I have another 4 minute video, this time about Beijing. Since you like more of the nature and culture aspect of China, then this video shows many of China's historical sites, and nature, like lakes, peach gardens, parks. It shows more of China's beautiful night life, and modern and futuristic architecture like CCTV Headquarters and Soho residences. It ends off with a virtual tour of Beijing, highlighting cultural sites and monuments in Forbidden City, as well as residential districts and backalleys. As always, for maximum immersion, watch this video in HD A Glance at Beijing https://youtu.be/-UuJxmU6OCQ
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  26757. +Peter Byrne If you want to create new and own religion or practice, then it is obvious that older existing religions will see yours as competition. Almost every child goes through elementary schools, because they form the fundamental basics, but not everyone goes to college. Gods and Demons are above human imposed notions of good and evil. For example, exactly what is a "righteous" god, and who says he won't resort to cunning? Even human cunning is no match for the true wits of a god. In short, they aren't bound by what humans consider good or evil. If you reject every Chinese source I quote, then what about the opinions offered by international experts in those sources? Francis Delmonico from Massachusetts General Hospital? Michael Millis from University of Chicago Hospitals? José Nuñez from WHO? Wimal Hewamanage from Sri Lanka's University of Colombo? Aren't these people also speaking up for China about supposed organ harvesting? Even in this next source, there is an international organ trafficking researcher from Australia (your country?) Campbell Fraser, who debunked that China uses cult practitioners’, prisoners’ organs Rumors debunked that China uses cult practitioners’, prisoners’ organs globaltimes.cn/content/1043057.shtml From above source, "A number of Western politicians, academics and lawyers have used Falun Gong for their political objectives against the Chinese government … Saying China had used prisoners' organs, is their way of claiming those executed were Falun Gong practitioners, and this is nonsense," said Fraser. I do agree that religions are really nothing more than tools of the state or whatever forces that spawned them. That is why the Chinese government is atheist and separates religion from politics. Also, who can truly separate what is "real" religion, from what isn't? Cults and terrorism hijack religions such as Islam and pose as "seemingly" real religions in order to recruit more people to their cause. Also, what makes you think Confucianism is destroyed along with the "others" in China? People in China still visit our ancestor's graves to pay respects and so on. This China travel guide websites travelchinaguide.com/intro/religion/ lists the same five religions (Taoism, Buddhism, Confucianism, Islam, Christianity) that are still present in China today, not "destroyed" like you said. I am not religious person, but I can assure you that all those "holy" prophets always have their own agenda. Jesus will tell you he is the only prophet of God (under Chrisitanity) but few years later, another prophet, Muhammad would come to tell you the same thing (under Islam). Ever since then, numerous people later have made similar claims and so on. I am sorry if I am being disrespectful but this is real phenomena that continues long after Jesus, Mohamad, etc. For example the Taiping Rebellion in 1850 was started because a man named Hong Xiuquan, who believed himself to be the younger brother of Jesus Christ. The Taiping Rebellion is often ranked among World's Top 10 wars by highest death toll. List of wars by death toll (of which Taiping Rebellion is usually among Top 10) en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wars_by_death_toll Maybe I wasn't entirely correct in saying China didn't have Crusades or Holy wars, if Taiping Rebellion is to be counted as a type of holy war. With this is mind, it shows how dangerous some religions can be to Chinese society and that steps have to be taken to keep them in check. Who knows if this Falun Gong cult could have created another equally deadly civil war in China, drawing from China's experience with Taiping Rebellion? Falun Gong was created only in 1991 and had already grew to such immense prominence in China, that the communist party fears a possible repeat of the Taiping Rebellion. If you refuse to look at cult websites, then there's nothing more I can do here. You will have to judge for yourself whether Falun Gong is a cult for yourself then. Falun Gong has penetrated Israel I agree, but look at this article when they say they are attempting raise public awareness about the persecution of the practice in China. Why would a supposed "religion" suddenly want to involve itself in politics in China? That already sounds off warning bells to anyone who understands how cults are created. Falun Gong has a "political" aspect behind it, which qualifies it as a cult. If Christians were to go around telling others how Jerusalem is occupied by other religions, then wouldn't it qualify as a cult, due to the political aspect behind it? Falun Dafa in the Holy City of Jerusalem http://falunau.org/2017/10/falun-dafa-holy-city-jerusalem/ If Falun Gong truly wasn't a cult, then they wouldn't promote the fact that it is persecuted in China. They would simply teach their values and move on, instead of making other "sympathize" with them. Lastly, what has "Red Communism" got to do with Falun Gong persecution? How is Communism and Falun Gong even linked at all? For example, do you consider Vietnam a communist country too, since it is single party with communist doctrine still being taught? What about Falun Gong practitioners in Vietnam then? As for Jews in Kaifeng, I don't know what your media portrayed about the government clamping down on Jewish culture, but Western media is usually biased in portraying the Chinese government as anti-religious. They tend to omit important details and in this video below, we can see the response from people who interviewed Jews there. Chinese authorities clamp down on tiny Jewish community www.youtube.com/watch?v=KWDEpUY06xk From above source, the person Barnaby Yeh being interviewed posted a comment saying "You have mischaracterized my story, as have so many from the media. I wasn't forced to leave from a government edict. Instead, I left because someone within the community had made a report to the police regarding my activities. This is linked to the asylum case of one You Qing, currently residing illegally in the United States. Her family made a number of reports to the police which began the so-called "crackdowns" in the first place. It is absolutely frustrating that media outlets continue to omit this important detail. I did not denounce the central government's policy vis-a-vis religion. I merely stated that it was rational for the central government to be skeptical of religious activity, as it has been a vehicle to start uprisings in the past. Let us never forget the lessons of Falun Gong." It should also be noted that these "Jews" no longer seem interested in their ancient history and culture, and seem content in being labelled as Han Chinese. Many immigrants to countries have over the years, learn to adopt cultures of their host country and assimilate into the host culture. I do not know anything about UN Prayer room (Lucius) and its link to China's and Russia's veto. I see a room with a mosaic/mural at one wall, illuminated by cove lights, and a rectangular block of some stone-like material in the middle. I am glad you enjoyed my videos, despite it mostly being timelapse. If you dislike time-lapse and prefer to immerse yourself in the moment, then this breathtaking-view of Shanghai . Shanghai has changed much, and is now like futuristic city, with colorful lights and skyline that can rival other developed cities. Shanghai is world's most populous city, a global financial centre and transport hub, with the world's busiest container port. Be sure to watch in HD for maximum immersion. 'Shanghai' - LAOWA Aerial Footage youtube.com/watch?v=1cC-j4_NtvE
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  26758. +Peter Byrne You claim atheist have no understanding of heaven, then what makes you think Buddhist or Christians know any better? Heaven, God and Religion are all human constructs, so what makes you think you know "Heaven" any better than atheists? I asked you what you meant by "righteous" god and why you "think" he will not resort to cunning? Do Gods exist in your mind according to the way you're supposed to perceive them? Yin and Yang is NOT Buddhism, it is Taoism, and it is NOT equal to your Western notions of good and evil. Yin represents coldness, static, night, femininity, negative, and other aspects, whereas Yang represent heat, energy, masculinity, positive, and other aspects. But there is no real Good and Evil like you claim, and both forces need be present for balance. People like you fail to even see that you are being used for political purposes like what the Falun Gong cult is doing to you. If you really believe it as religion, then it should be about improving yourself, not about the political affairs of other countries. Qigong, Taoism, Buddhism and other orthodox religions don't involve politics now do they? Falun Gong is trying to gain your sympathies by concocting fake stories about organ harvesting, when I have already shown that international representatives in China have found no such evidence. Yet Falun Gong cult continues to propagate this rumor to gain sympathy from people like you. Exactly, nobody knew about Falun Gong, only until it spread out of China. But other Chinese religions and practices like Qigong, Taoism, Buddhism, etc, are well-known even outside of China, and they represent true Chinese traditions. So the only way Falun Gong cult can actually gain any distinction is by propagating this organ harvesting rumor. As for Vietnam, remember you are the one claiming Communism is against Falun Gong, when a communist country like Vietnam has Falun Gong, so what exactly is the link you are trying to make here? Every Communist country oppose Falun Gong is that what you trying say? I have heard of Holocaust but tell me if the "Jews" in China are getting political then? There is a family of Kaifeng Jewish descendants that formally converted to Judaism and accepted Israeli citizenship so what makes you think the Chinese government is against Jews all of a sudden? From a Village in China to the Wedding Canopy in Jerusalem israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/89436 I have already disclosed my motivation some time ago, perhaps you failed to read it? China is our own country, with rich culture and 5000 years history and we have tried various political systems before, including democracy, but it failed to work out. Even communism worked well initally, but not later, so the government changed it. Who says a governing system has to remain static all the time? Today's China follows the principles of Socialism with Chinese characteristics, and if it doesn't work, I am confident the Chinese government will change and adapt, as it did switching from communism to capitalism. On the other hand, your motivation makes little sense. You claim communism is evil, so is Vietnam evil because it is communist? What about Laos, who is also communist. You only target China because we have succeeded under communism, where it was expected to fail. 30 years ago, Nobody thought communist China would ever succeed or become global player, and after Soviet dissolution, many people expected PRC to follow suite. But we didn't and China grew become world's 2nd largest economy, with world's 2nd largest military expenditure, and PRC is very much involved in global politics today, than ever before. All of this goes against your own preconceived notions of Good and Evil regarding communism, which is why you constantly want to deride China and pick at its flaws constantly. Chinese government is not perfect, but we have succeed under its leadership, as shown in my various timelapse videos, so why should Chinese people suddenly get rid of the government? As long as the government can deliver peace, tranquility amd economic progress, it will continue to enjoy support from many Chinese people. If you want me to count the number of times I used "cult" then why do you refuse to look at Chinese media or Cult websites? You constantly dismiss my sources, so how else am I going to portray Falun Gong as a cult, if you continually ignore all my evidence? Cults are insidious and can fool people like you and me, if you are unable see past the facade and their true agenda. All this talk of good and evil only satisfy people like you who believe in them. The world is not black and white. Who is good and who is evil, and who gets to decide? You? If you claim God decides, then how would you know His judgement? The communist party has done bad things, but it has also done good things. According World Bank, China’s poverty rate fell from 88% in 1981 to mere 6.5% in 2012, lifting 600 million people out of poverty in only 30 years. If that is not a good deed, then I don't know what is. Look at entire population of Africa, which is roughly 1.2 billion people for example. The Chinese government lifted a number of people equal to half of Africa's entire population out of poverty in decades, compared to what Westerners been doing in Africa for centuries. This event has been termed "unprecedented" in human history, even by Western scholars, and many people believe that such phenomena unlikely to be repeated elsewhere, especially in such short duration. The Chinese government, while imperfect and making many mistakes in the beginning, has seemingly redeemed itself with this action alone, so why can't give us chance to pursue our own governance different from the West?
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  26788.  @MarkYeung1  At the beginning of the Japanese invasion, while it was the Nationalist forces which took the blunt of the invasion, Generalissimo Chiang-kai Shek was not truly interested in repelling the invaders as he was more interested in eliminating the fledgling communist party. It took two of his subordinates (Generals Zhang Xueliang and Yang Hucheng) kidnapping Chiang in what's known as the Xi'an Incident, as well as communist goodwill by Zhou Enlai ad Lin Boqu who arrived in Xi'an to negotiate for Chiang's release, that Chiang finally agreed to fight the Japanese. But even with that in mind, Chiang was still only half-hearted in his efforts against the Japanese and he reserved his best troops to fight the communists during the last phase of the Sino-Japanese War. The U.S General Stillwell was sent to assist China in protecting the China Burma Road. He treated the Nationalist soldiers and the Communist soldiers alike with no political barrier. He trained both armies. This was a major irritation to Chiang Kai Shek, who wanted only his Nationalist soldiers to be trained. However, Stillwell paid him no attention and trained both the Nationalists and the communists. Towards the end, it was the communists who inflicted the most damage onto the Japanese and contributed most to the defeat of the Japanese in China and in so doing was able to seize large quantities of arms and ammunition in its civil war to vanquish the Nationalists despite the Nationalists receiving vast amount of materiel aid from the US.
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  26794.  @MarkYeung1  I refer you to the article: 11 Things You Should Know About Chiang Kai-shek (by Culture Trip) -He served in the Japanese Army, which could possibly be one reason why he was relunctant to meet the Japanese invaders head on. -He purged communists from within the ranks allowed him free reign to give himself what amounted to dictatorial power over much of China. -His own generals kidnapped him because he refused to take the Japanese threat seriously (Xi'an incident) -The Communists saved his leadership by convincing the officers to release Chiang (Xi'an incident) -Churchill and Roosevelt saw him as the legitimate leader of China, even though the Communist General Mao was responsible for much of the damage inflicted upon the Japanese, it was Chiang who got the credit mainly from Britain and the US. -He expected help from the allies against the communists, but his western ‘friends’ abandoned him. -He moved to Taiwan and set up a permanent state of martial law, thus ensuring his power was absolute. -He suppressed local culture, forbade the use of local languages and, during a period known as the ‘White Terror’, his party was responsible for the imprisonment of 140,000 Taiwanese. -He held the Taiwan presidency for 25 years, when in fact the constitution only allowed for two terms in power, but with martial law as his excuse, Chiang could rule indefinitely. ... Source: 11 Things You Should Know About Chiang Kai-shek (by Culture Trip) In this article, it was shown that the Communist General Mao was responsible for much of the damage inflicted upon the Japanese, and it was Chiang kai-shek that was relunctant (i.e half-hearted) in his fight against the Japanese. You said: "When usa and British entered the war in 1941, did they deal with KMT or CCP?" The U.S General Stillwell trained both the KMT and the communists like I said earlier. Even till today, the communists
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  26796.  @junebug8485  1. But Chinese farmers kept insect-eating livestock like chickens and ducks, and our rice fields have insect-eating frogs and fishes. Sparrows are not the only animals that eat insects. 2. Local officials choose to put themselves under pressure, so they over-exaggerated the crop yields, then the problem is bottom up, not top down. Even Mao Zedong personally went to the fields to inspect it, and the local officials had workers transplant stalks of grain from dying fields to healthy fields to give off the appearance of a "bumper harvest", so Mao thought there was sufficient grain to export. So it was the local officials lying about harvest figures that caused the famine, not Mao's policies. 3. So you can't give me the name of that one village with his party boss and his colleagues? Then it's possible that it's only just 1 village, while the other villages had healthy relations. 4. My original point still stands, that in 1958, the Yellow River flooded that coincided with the onset of the Great Leap Forward. In July 1958, the peak discharge of the Yellow River at Huayuankou was 22,300 m3/s (790,000 cu ft/s) with a maximum sediment concentration of 911 kg/m3 (57 lb/cu ft). The flood water level was so high that it rose up to the top of the levee in several places. This flood affected 741,000 people, submerged over half a million acres of crops (3.04 million mu), and destroyed over 300,000 houses in 1708 villages. It was reported as the most severe flood since 1933. ... Source: Wikipedia: 1958 Yellow River Flood So weather conditions clearly played a role in the Great Chinese Famine.
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  26800.  @junebug8485  You said: "Summary: KMT was weakened by doing most of the fighting against the Japanese (as stated in 1)," Wrong, it's clearly a misreading on your part of the statement: "The Communists acted independently and hardly ever engaged the Japanese in conventional battles but proved efficient in guerrilla warfare." Please note that the "hardly ever engaged the Japanese" applies to conventional battles, but it's not the same as "hardly ever engaging the Japanese. Period."_ Your source also confirms that the communists were efficient in guerilla warfare, which should help to distinguish the fact that the communist hardly ever engaged in conventional battles against the Japanese. You said: "so much in fact they could not hold their ground against communist troops." The KMT still enjoyed a numerical advantage over the communists. After the Japanese surrendered in 1945, the KMT had a strength of: -2 million (regular) -2.3 million (militia) (June 1946) While the Communists had a strength of: -1.2 million (regular) -2.6 million (militia) (July 1945). ... Source: Wikipedia: Chinese Civil War You said: " they were actually well equipped with Japanese weapons and soviet aid." The Republic of China (as a whole) received credits for $250 million for the purchase of Soviet weapons. There followed big arms deliveries, including guns, artillery pieces, more than 900 aircraft and 82 tanks. However, the deliveries halted in August 1941 due to German attack on the Soviet Union. Also, the KMT received U.S military aid, but they pocketed some $750,000,000 in American aid, so much that even then U.S President Harry S Truman made a remark about KMT corruption and wrote that "the Chiangs, the Kungs and the Soongs (were) all thieves". Chiang’s nationalist army hoarded US aid monies, arms and material to such a degree that President Truman wrote that "the Chiangs, the Kungs and the Soongs (were) all thieves" having stolen some $750 million dollars of US funds. ... Source: The USA’s decades long warfare against China (by Robert S. Rodvik)
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  26944.  @apophisxo4480  Under Chinese marriage laws, you are NOT granted automatically granted Chinese citizenship just because you married a Chinese national. You should also remember that even though your country recognises your overseas marriage, it typically does not provide an automatic right for your spouse to enter your country: that is normally subject to a separate application and far from certain to be approved. In the same way a foreigner has no automatic right to live in China because he or she has married a Chinese. Source: Marriage Registration in China travelchinaguide.com/embassy/visa/marriage-registration.htm That should be the way immigration laws should be, in my opinion. I mean, look at US immigration laws and virtually anyone who has a family member who is US citizen, is eligible to apply for US citizenship himself/herself. That's why US get flooded by illegal immigrants, because foreigners like Mexicans, Asians and Muslims are marrying Americans for citizenship and then bringing their whole families over to USA. And who says you can't work in China if you are not married? So many foreigners work in China even when they are married to locals, so what exactly are you talking about? And how exactly do serpentza and laowhy contribute to society? Look at serpentza's wife working long hard hours as doctor to support her family, while her hubby goes biking across China and presumably abandoning her for weeks on end. Either that or serpentza hangs around with other expats and drinks alcohol on camera while complaining about China to his subscribers. How is that contributing to China? We don't need such people like serpentza living here in China! How exactly does serpentza and laowhy love China? Just look at their faces and behaviour and you can tell that they don't mean what they say when they say they love China! I mean, they always tend to blame the environment, blame the people, blame the government, etc for all their problems! Not once have they attempted to blame themselves. It's like they have some sort of "white privilege" and they expect China to cater for their needs instead of them assimilating into China. If you claimed you can say the N-word in USA against certain people, then I can also say you can call Chinese people "Winnie the Pooh" if you want. But if you say it to the President Xi's face then its possible that you will be arrested. So why the double standards between USA and China? Every country has some things that are not allowed to be said. For example, in countries like Austria and Germany, depictions of the Nazi flag and swastika are illegal if used outside of historic purposes.
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  26979. Jason Uzumaki Does that mean you can abuse vulgarities in your demands? I don't make demands that you answer any of my questions, so what obligation do I have to answer yours? In the end I still answered your question didn't I? Also, where did I ever treated you as "stupid and a peasant", compared to how you treat me? Merely talking about history is considered disrespecting you is that what you are implying? What makes you think that today with technology and power of weapons, Chinese people will fight back with only sticks and stones? Of course if our government is truly bad to the point where ordinary people can't take it anymore, then people will start acquiring modern weapons (from outside sources, stealing them, etc) and forming a resistance to fight back and overthrow the government. History is full of examples of such occurrences, so what makes you think just because the military technology has improved, that people are suddenly unable to rebel? Look at US wars in Middle East, such as Afghanistan and Iraq, and the militants there are at technological disadvantage compared to US troops, but still manage to drag the war for over 15 years. What about even further back, when North Vietnamese troops fought to defend their homeland from American troops, despite the technological disadvantage? In my opinion, technological prowess is not the only factor involved in deciding victory. Your full sentence was "I agree china should follow its own path, but if China's government dictated that decision and not the people of China then I see that as misuse of power and forces the people to accept it even if they didn't agree with it." wasn't it?
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  26985. +Kaimanfrosty "You need to open up the country to industrialise as fast as possible" Then what about our newborn Chinese companies? They lack experience and know-how, and without protection, they will be destroyed by direct competition from foreign companies, and the foreign companies will flood China's markets and grab all our consumers. How else do you expect local companies to survive then? (Especially when China is new to industrialization)? You personally think its silly to let companies develop faster domestically then they will be competitive in a global market. But some Chinese brands like Huawei, Lenovo, Tencent, Alibaba, Baidu, etc, have become global brands after starting off from a safe environment within China. Here is a list of the largest internet companies in the world by revenue and market capitalization. Source:_List of largest Internet companies_ wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_largest_Internet_companies I agree that China initially opened up and let in the big foreign companies like Nike and Apple, but its because its the first step made by China to industrialize and that was a good place to start. Even though Chinese people were making Apple Iphones, our workers at that time were too poor to even afford the products they were making. Russia's economy is not doing very well, primarily because Washington slaps numerous sanctions on Moscow, limiting their ability to do business with other countries. Its in this regard that's why China is able to capitalize on doing business with Russia, that USA is missing out on.
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  26986. +Kaimanfrosty Exactly. Initially, Chinese companies are new to the scene, and will get destroyed by competition from foreign companies, whom then proceed to dominate China's market. And how exactly do you expect Chinese companies to be able to recover and compete, once foreign companies become well-established in China? Those foreign companies would prevent new Chinese companies from even emerging at all, yet you just claim "it will pass then you will be able to compete"? Where's your proof? Also you said "the point is you reached that stage faster than if you were to try and foster those industries early on." then why is it other "free market" countries, like India for example, haven't yet reached that stage? Look at India, the world's largest democracy. As the world's 2nd most populous country, it has a labor force comparable to China. Many Indians speak English, whereas not many Chinese can claim to have good English. India is democratic, China was communist. The Republic of India was founded in 1947, whereas Peoples Republic of China was founded in 1949 (2 years later) Yet China has long overtaken India in many fields today, so where's your evidence that China would "reached that stage faster" than if we were to do things our way? "Another thing is that if consumers are to choose what will help them the most in terms of products, then being "flooded" with goods and services from other countries implies the host country couldn't meet those demands previously, so it is a weakness. What is better is to focus on what you are good at and through exchange make sure both parties do well, as the other party will be bad at things you are good at, again the labour force." Exactly, the global economy is like a wild river that flows where it wants, driven by economic forces and supply and demand. By following a free market economy, you are letting the economy "run its course" and this may cause damage to your local markets, exposing your weakness. But what has been done to address this "weakness" once exposed? Why not take earlier countermeasures to prevent such disasters from happening in the first place? China's approach is like "damming the river" in order to reduce its catastrophic effects on our markets. For example, the US dollar is stronger than the Chinese yuan, so Chinese goods appear cheaper, and Americans buy plenty of them and some of their revenue comes to China. But American goods will appear expensive to Chinese consumers, so not many Chinese buy them, and much of China's revenue remains within our country. That's how in just 30 years, China was able to lift 600 million people out of poverty. Just for comparison, Africa's entire population is about 1.2 billion, so the government lifted a number equal to 1/2 of Africa's entire population out of poverty in decades compared to what Westerners been doing in Africa for centuries. Russia's economy under the Soviet Union was stable and there was negligible unemployment and high job security. Soviet Union's GDP crossed $1 trillion in the 1970s and $2 trillion in the 1980s, but after Mikhail Gorbachev came to power in 1985, he began a process of economic liberalization by dismantling the command economy and moving towards a mixed economy. After its dissolution, the Soviet Union begat a Russian Federation with a growing pile of $66 billion in external debt and with barely a few billion dollars in net gold and foreign exchange reserves. And today, Washington is making it worst for Moscow by slapping economic sanctions to prevent Russia's economic recovery, and making Russia seek out other economic partners like China for example.
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  26987. +Kaimanfrosty 1) I never said China has zero foreign companies at all (after all, big US foreign companies like Apple and Nike came to China) all I said was that once these foreign companies become well-established and dominate China's markets, then how do you expect newborn Chinese companies to be able to compete with them? You clearly said "The local companies won't survive initially, the ones in big specialised areas will die and be replaced by foreign companies," so what makes you think the well-entrenched foreign companies would want local Chinese startups to compete with them? That's why although there are foreign companies in China, the government never lets them dominate Chinese markets and form a monopoly, instead it provides incentives and protects many Chinese startups, until they can become strong enough to stand on their own. In some extreme cases, China even "chase" the foreign company out (Google, Facebook, for example) and have a local Chinese company (Baidu, Weibo,) take over their positions in China. 2) I used India, because you yourself failed to show an actual example that China would have "reached that stage faster" Even in your reply here, you failed to name any country, and all you said is "in every other country that did, but mostly in economic theory." But you don't even name any country (claiming in every other country) and you rejected me using India for comparison? What double standards are you applying here? 3) "but the longer you wait to do this the further you start behind everyone else." You can't just rush newborn Chinese companies to be at the exact same level as experienced foreign companies. So why can't China wait as long as possible to open the floodgates? Once you open the flood gates, it becomes very difficult to close the gates again. Although the government "built a dam" to protect local companies from foreign competition, but nobody said the dam will always be up forever, and recently, the government is loosening restrictions on foreign companies in certain areas. Source China agrees to loosen foreign investment ‘negative list' ft.com/content/0fa8e644-6488-11e8-90c2-9563a0613e56 This is because China is confident that our local companies would be able to compete so a little relaxation of the restrictions on foreign investments, helps improve the local competitiveness. But as always, China is the one in full control of our markets and how much and how little foreign investment to add in. 4) Like I said earlier the global market, is a like raging, untamed river, flowing according to economic forces (consumer, demand, competition) and may cause widespread destruction. A dam controls the flow of water (letting only a trickle of water) and prevents flooding, so it represents Chinese government taking control of the Chinese economy and maximizing the benefits to China (aka, a planned economy) 5) What about Westerners running Africa DURING colonialism? Why aren't African countries the well-developed nations they should be under a Western free market? According to World Bank, China’s poverty rate fell from 88% in 1981 to mere 6.5% in 2012. According to UNESCO, adult literacy rate of China increased from 65.5% in 1982 to a whopping 96.4% in 2015 growing at an average annual rate of 10.39%. This is an impressive feat, considering that China is the world's most populous country, yet achieving a 6.5% poverty and 96.4% literacy rate. This feat has been termed "unprecedented" in human history (even by many Western scholars) and its believed to be unlikely to ever be repeated by other nations. Deng Xiaoping introduced capitalist reforms, but till today, China's economy is still considered a state-controlled economy. 6) "USSR had growth relative to the income slower than its capitalist counterparts, as did most communist countries." Slow growth was still growth for USSR. Must everything be done speedily and in haste? Look at the state of Russia today, and what happened to all its "slow" growth before? When USSR was unified, it was powerful, and that's why USA was careful in its moves, but now that Soviet Union collapsed, USA is drunk on being the surviving superpower, and takes bolder moves, such as sanctioning Russia, in an effort to make sure Russia stays down.
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  26988. +Kaimanfrosty That's what you said yes, but again, you just assumed "Once they are wealthier and better educated then they will be able to compete with the foreign company." How is that so? Why make life unnecessarily hard for our own local Chinese companies? You just make assumptions that things will go your way, when what you proposed has lots of risks involve that may make or break a company. China's assistance stops "foreign" monopoly of Chinese markets, but I never said anything about Chinese companies. I mean, this is our country, so why can't the government give assistance to our local companies to give them an edge over foreign companies? 2) Does Hong Kong, Singapore, Malaysia, US, UK, or France, even have the same population size as China? That's the primary reason I brought up India, because as the world's 2nd most populous country, India's situation closely resembles China's situation. I mean, look at Singapore's and Hong Kong's small populations and why do you think they make a good comparison to China, the world's most populous country? Why you think India is not a better comparison, given the similar size of our populations? 3) "(China) still has the legacy of the state entrenched in the economy too deep." That is exactly the point I am trying to make. I am comparing how China's state-controlled (planned economy) fares against Western corporate-controlled (free market) economy. The Western governments surrender (virtually) all their control over their own economies and leave it to the profit-hungry corporations to control the economy, whereas majority of Chinese corporations are state-controlled. In my opinion, a state-controlled economy is better than a corporate-run economy. Corporations are out to make a profit, that's why America is flooded with Chinese goods, and US companies migrate to low labor countries, because they follow their profits. State-controlled corporations have goals that are aligned to the government's policies, and they also tend to enjoy better funding from the government. For example, in the aviation industry of big passenger jet planes, its currently dominated by a monopoly (duopoly?) by Boeing (USA) and Airbus (EU) and any other country faces enormous barriers to entry of this market, because of the duopoly. But China wants to enter this market, and we have our own answer in the form of the C919 Comac which is intended to compete primarily with the Boeing 737 MAX and Airbus A320neo. COMAC C919 - Chinese narrow-body twinjet airliner youtube.com/watch?v=axZ7YTZgcHg This is possible because the government pours in funding to the C919 that other aviation countries besides Boeing and Airbus lack in order to penetrate this market. 4) "But if it is a market where people can choose what they want without state interference then the people buying will decide who is doing better, and if another company is better for the person buying then why withhold it from them because some local companies are scared of competition?" That's exactly the situation happening in America. Americans are buying Chinese goods because they decide to, and local American companies are complaining that they can't compete with Chinese goods. I mean, I have been highlighting the various reasons why China should avoid the free trade policy, but you keep highlighting the opposite without providing any strong reason to do so. 5) So why aren't African countries taking off with a free market system? The entire population of the African continent is about 1.2 billion, which makes the continent itself comparable to China's 1.4 billion population, but China has industrialized whereas Africa has not. In fact, China is helping build infrastructure in African countries and here is a video about Chinese boss "complaining" to his African (Congolese) colleague on the state of Africa's infrastructure We Wuz Kings A Chinese Man Is Angry At Black Africans For Being Incapable Of Building Anything! youtube.com/watch?v=mtsa0MT2H4I The Chinese entrepreneur been in the Congo for 6 months since the new year, but haven't started work at all, because they are waiting for approval from the Congolese government. The Congo gained independence from colonial rule 50 years ago, and they had rail technology since 1930s (something which China didn't have back then) yet it is China that's helping Africans build railway now. So why is it you think India can match China, where even Africans failed? As for Singapore, Singapore's economy has been described as socialist instead of capitalist. It is estimated that the Singapore Government through Temasek and GIC own companies that account for more than 60%+ of the market capitalization of the Singapore Stock Exchange. Based on the definition and on this fact, Singapore is socialist (state-controlled economy) rather than free market. 6) If you grow too fast then your economy may suddenly collapse, like an expanding bubble, and that's what happened to USSR. China has learned harsh lessons from Soviet collapse, that's why China's growth did not result in China dissolving like USSR. And why is it Britain can invade America, cause genocide of Native Americans and occupy their lands even till today? Why Americans can make Hawaii and Guam part of US territory? Do countries sanction US+UK because of that?
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  26989. +Kaimanfrosty The CCP is not perfect, but it has done much to turn China from 3rd world, dirt poor, starving, war-torn county into a 1st world country, an economic power, world's largest land army, and global player of politics. Despite the initial setbacks, under CCP's leadership, China's population doubled, our lifespans doubled, our literacy rates doubled, and our poverty rates fell. Source: Life Expectancy at Birth in China, Europe, USA and India china-profile.com/data/fig_WPP2010_L0_Boths.htm Chinese people knew what it's like to eat dirt for living, since we were once as poor as India in the past. But under CCP, China grew to become where we are today. Like I mentioned earlier, China's poverty fell from 88% to 7% and China's literacy rose from 65% to 96%. So as far as I'm concerned the CCP has earned its place and deserves its position as government of China. Like I said earlier, China's economy had just transitioned from Communist to Capitalist in 1970s, so you expect Chinese leaders to know all those factors you described that are present in a capitalist economy? We were new to capitalism and inexperienced, and had government just blindly opened the floodgates, foreign companies would swoop into China and dominate our markets and filled up all the areas, leaving none for local Chinese companies. So why can't China favor our local companies instead of foreign companies? What does providing benefits to foreign companies do for China? 2) I don't understand what you mean by "simply no correlation between economic growth and a single countries economy" A single countries economy has no correlation to economic growth? Then are you considering multiple countries economies growth? As for population density, business tends to travels fast in a compact country with high population density, as the businesses are located closeby and the audiences are concentrated in one area (like high population density HK and Singapore) But in China, the distances involved are vast and much further, and will first need to be bridged by proper infrastructure, if China is to develop our economies. Both HK and Singapore have adopted Mass Rapid Transport systems, but China's vast distances need the equivalent of High-Speed Rail. And it still doesn't dismiss the fact that China's population is much greater than those two combined. So its a whole different set of problems for high population density countries like Singapore and sparsely populated China (but still the most populous country) You said "I gave hong kong over India because they were free market oriented before and moreso than other chinese port cities were and industrialised earlier." so what I did is shown that India also has many port cities. Why don't you compare Indian port cities with Chinese port cities then? China has 34 major ports and more than 2000 minor ports, yet you compare 34 Chinese port cities with 1 HK port city? What's the logic when HK has to develop 1 port, and China has to develop 30 over ports? Since you want to compare HK with Shanghai, then today, Shanghai has overtaken Hong Kong as a port city and financial center in my opinion. Many more ships call at Shanghai's port than in Hong Kong, making Shanghai the world's busiest port. List of busiest container ports wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_busiest_container_ports 3) You said miscalculation is catastrophic, then all those US companies are bound to miscalculate one day (and that's why the 2008 financial crisis happened) and the corporations control the US government. Haven't you heard of Americans complaining that their government is overrun by the banks and corporations? Because of this, it becomes difficult to pull the country in any single direction. For example, USA wants to implement more green energy initiatives, but the big US oil companies (like Exxon Mobil) aren't happy with USA adopting green energy, so they take steps and countermeasures to hinder America's switch to green energy. That's why USA is involved in wars in Middle East (to control the oil) and President Trump even withdrew USA from 2017 Paris Climate Accord (so that USA doesn't have to cut CO2 emissions) Its because oil companies want USA to continue remaining reliant on fossil fuels. But in China, the government is planning to ban all coal plants by perhaps 2040 and switch to alternative sources of energy. China can do that, because our economy is state controlled. The government also plans to ban all non-electric cars in China, and besides giving China cleaner air, it will strike a massive blow to foreign fossil fuel car companies that don't have an electric model to operate in China. China Cancels 103 Coal Plants, Mindful of Smog and Wasted Capacity nytimes.com/2017/01/18/world/asia/china-coal-power-plants-pollution.html About China's economic crisis, Western economists have been predicting China's economic downfall since 1990s. Here is compiled list of what Western journalists have to say about China's economy 1990. The Economist: China's economy has come to a halt. 1996. The Economist: China's economy will face hard landing. 1998. The Economist: China's economy entering a dangerous period of sluggish growth. 1999. Bank of Canada: Likelihood of a hard landing for the Chinese economy. 2000. Chicago Tribune: China currency move nails hard landing risk coffin. 2001. Wilbanks, Smith & Thomas: A hard landing in China. 2002. Westchester University: China Anxiously Seeks A Soft Economic landing. 2003. KWR International: How to find a soft landing if China.. 2004. The Economist: The great fall of China? 2005. Nouriel Roubini: The Risk of a Hard Landing in China. 2006. International Economy: Can China Achieve a Soft Landing? 2007. TIME: Is China's Economy Overheating? Can China avoid a hard landing? 2008. Forbes: Hard Landing in China? 2009. Fortune: China's hard landing. China must find a way to recover. 2010. Nouriel Roubini: Hard landing coming in China. 2011. Business Insider: A Chinese Hard Landing May Be Closer Than You Think. 2012. American Interest: Dismal Economic News from China: A Hard Landing. 2013. Zero Hedge: A Hard Landing in China. 2014. CNBC: A hard landing in China. 2015. Forbes: Congratulations, You got Yourself A Chinese Hard Landing.... 2016. The Economist: Hard Landing looms for China. But its already 2018, and China's economy is still going strong. At some point you'll stop believing what they claim and when Western economists predictions been proven wrong for almost 30 years consecutively. Yet you still think China on the brink of collapse? China's C919 Comac is going to be a new entry to market, and that's why Chinese companies are purchasing the plane. Every new plane has to start somewhere, so why not at home? If C919 Comac did not have the support of Chinese companies, then the whole project wouldn't be able to take off (pardon the pun) at all, because Boeing and Airbus will work to prevent Comac's entry into their duopoly. Maybe someday in the far future, flying on China's C919 would be as common as flying on Boeing and Airbus jetliners, But as for now, C919 is only just beginning to enter the market. 4) China's Three Gorges Dam is the world's largest hydroelectric station and it was very controversial project, but thanks to the government's "efficiency" it was completed on time and now supplies China with enormous amounts of renewable energy, making China the top hydroelectric power producer Top 9 Hydroelectric Power Countries China ranks 1st with 171 GW of installed hydroelectric capacity bionomicfuel.com/the-top-9-hydroelectric-power-countries/ China is also home to the world's largest photovoltaic power station, the 850 MW Longyangxia Dam Solar Park, in Qinghai, China. making China the world's largest producer of solar power. Top 10 solar-producing countries China ranks 1st with 130.4GW energydigital.com/renewable-energy/top-10-solar-producing-countries As for forcing companies to share IP to operate in your market, here's how I see it: America: Hey China, we want YOU to make our products cheap to give us an edge over our competition. China: No problem. But we'll need access to your sensitive blueprints and designs to make your product. America: Done! I mean, its our country and thus our laws, and foreign companies still choose to come here and set up shop. Therefore, they should abide by Chinese laws while in China that's all. 5) Size is the common denominator that China, India and Africa (all its countries) share when you want to raise people out of poverty in our countries. You said USA, Canada, Australia, and various other places around the world have had the equal or greater growth far earlier, but like you said, its far earlier, occuring over a span of 300 years when the Industrial Revolution started in the 1700s. But China only industrialized 40 years ago, yet achieved lifting 600 million out of poverty in decades, which is why it has been considered "unprecedented" and "unparalleled" by other countries. China has seen national economic growth that is unparalleled and unprecedented worldwide finance-monthly.com/2018/04/your-thoughts-chinas-unprecedented-economic-growth/ So which Singapore company is able to grow to become multi-billion dollar company today? Which Hong Kong company has grown to become recognized internationally? I mean, if those countries let in foreign investment then it only makes it harder for local companies to survive, since the foreigners dominate virtually everything. Only government-controlled Singapore companies have become powerful and that's only within the country itself.
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  26990. +Kaimanfrosty 6) Who are you to judge the use of force to keep a country together? Had CCP not sent in the PLA during Tiananmen, there would be massive social unrest which could have led to China "breaking up" like Soviet Union dissolution. You let Tiananmen people protest, then the Tibetans will follow, HK will follow, and Taiwan will want independence. China doesn't own Taiwan yet, but many countries in the world recognize Taiwan as part of China, and CCP intends to keep it that way. I mean, the KMT (Taiwan) tried to eradicate the communists, so why should we let them go, where they can grow to become a thorn in China's side? The group "Westerners" exist, just like you people sometimes use "Easterners" or "Asians" against us, so what's wrong with my usage of that term? You can impose your own judgement on China that "Any government that uses that much live ammunition on protestors isn't keeping it together" then why can't I do the same to your countries as well? Like I said, why do you impose double standards with regards to Chinese and the West? In truth, China don't care about how your government your country, but you busybodies constantly want to impose your own opinion onto how China govern our country. China has 5000 years of history and is among the world's 'continuous' living civilization still alive today, whereas other great ancient civilizations like Mesopotamia, Rome and Egypt have since faded to history. China has a wealth of political literature and thousands of years of governing experience, all written in books from long ago by scholars, historians, strategists and philosophers. You think governing the world's most populous country is going to be easy? Look at what happened to the fall of Republic of Rome, when democracy tore the empire apart, as individual provinces wanted to break away. This is the harsh truth that history is telling us, yet you people just continue to pursue democracy, when it has a whole history of failure. Athenian democracy failed, Spartan democracy failed and Republic of Rome too. Even though modern democracy is only about 300 years old, there's no guarantee that such a system won't fail in the future. Where as China's civilization has survived repeated division and reunification for millennia, following our own methods and experience taught by previous emperors of China. So why can't China follow our own methods of governance, even if the use of force is necessary to maintain peace internally? Did you know that the population of China is equivalent to the population of North America, South America, Australia, New Zealand, and all of Western Europe all combined? That just shows how many people China needs to take care off and in my opinion, the CCP has done a reasonably good job of governing a country of 1.4 billion people. It all boils down the choice between a Free Market and a Planned Economy for our countries. Free Market, means you just let the river flow to wherever its wants and it may result in destruction (like flooding your markets with Chinese goods) You can call it a weakness to work upon, but what has countries like America been doing to address this weakness? USA corporations literally control the government, directing USA wherever it wants, and not necessarily for USA's benefit. In China's planned economy, you make 5-year plans, 10-year plans, 20-year plans, to control and direct the river to maximize the benefits to China. You can give shield local companies from foreign competition and offer incentives to them to help local companies developed to become strong enough to venture out one day. Why should China give incentives to foreign companies? If a local Chinese company (like Baidu, Weibo) can take over a foreign company (Google, Facebook) then why can't we promote the local Chinese company? In a state-controlled economy, the government has as much control over the economy and can tweak the economy to best suit China. If not for government's protection, Chinese corporations like Tencent, Alibaba, Baidu, Huawei, Lenovo, etc, wouldn't exist at all, to become the multi million dollar companies they are today. _List of largest Internet companies_.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_largest_Internet_companies That's the big difference between state-controlled economy and corporation-controlled economy. If the government don't control the corporations, then the corporations will start controlling the government. Once you surrender control, it becomes much more difficult to retain control.
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  26992. +Kaimanfrosty So you get to pick which points to reply to this time? Who is ignoring who here? I constantly said China has world's largest population and its not easy lifting them out of poverty (as compared to populations of Taiwan, Hong Kong, Singapore, etc) but you continually ignored them. I brought up India (world's 2nd most populous country) to compare with China, but you just ignored it and focus on the less populated states like Hong Kong. I mean, mainland Chinese port cities like Shanghai and Shenzhen have long overtaken port cities like Hong Kong. List of busiest container ports wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_busiest_container_ports 2) What do you mean by "economic growth doesn't depend on the single countries population size, or amount of people." ? The larger the population, the slower it is expected to grow, as more people need to be lifted out of poverty. There is also unlikely to be enough available resources to lift people out of poverty and develop the country. For example, China was initially dirt poor, starving country like India, because there aren't enough food for everyone, not enough schools for our kids, not enough hospitals, not enough roads, etc, etc. So why is population size suddenly irrelevant here? Why isn't India rapidly catching up to China, if you claim "growth very high in small countries and still very high in big countries while they industrialise." ? The term "Westerners" is clearly used to denote people from a Western culture and background, much the same way people use "Asians" to denote people of Asian culture and background. You may not use "Asians" but that doesn't stop other people from lumping Chinese, Koreans, Japanese, Indians, Vietnamese, Thai, Filipinos as "Asians" What exactly do you mean by the CCP proclaimed the CCP in 1949? The CCP proclaimed the People's Republic of China in 1949, but it doesn't mean China is not the same as the China of old, with 5000 years of Chinese history. Egypt the country exists today, but I am talking about the Egyptian civilization. Just like how Italy is not the Rome of old. I mean, does France, England, Turkey, Egypt, etc, still consider themselves part of the Roman empire? Whereas the Chinese empire survived relatively intact. Provinces like Tibet, Xinjiang, Inner Mongolia, Hong Kong, Northern China, Southern China, are considered part of China today, and China has not fragmented like Rome did. Also, Chinese characters have been continuously in use since 1200 BCE whereas Sumerian Cuneiform, Latin and Egyptian Hieroglyphs are considered dead languages today. I mean, ask most scholars (both Western and Eastern) and majority will agree that China is among the oldest 'continuous' civilization still alive today. Not everyone will agree of course, but most historians consider China to be such the case. I am therefore, not alone in my opinion here. Otherwise, why is Rome not around today? Democracy failed in Greece, Spartan, Athens, and also Rome, so there's no guarantee that such a ideology will survive in the future. I mean, why so many ancient nations adopted a system where power is concentrated in the few, like priests (theocracy), nobles (aristocracy) or kings and emperors (monarchy) instead of democracy where power is concentrated in the masses? Because priests, nobles and kings are educated people, capable of making important political decisions regarding the countries future. That's why oligarchies are such popular systems throughout human history and are stable political systems. But people like you have been trained to think "democracy" is the best political system, and that a "free market" is the best market, and refuse to consider other possibilities and continually reject them. Not every country has to follow Western democracy to be successful and China is living proof of that.
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  26993. +Kaimanfrosty About the whole Free Market vs Planned Economy debate, thanks to Chinese government support and strategy, there are many Chinese brands that are beginning to gather international recognition lately. Examples of famous Chinese companies include Alibaba, Tencent, Baidu, Taobao, Huawei, Xiaomi, Oppo, Lenovo, ZTE, and this list is not exhaustive. But where are all the famous Singapore and Hong Kong brands then? If you think Singapore and Hong Kong government industrialized faster than China, then where are those famous Singapore and Hong Kong brands/companies to show for all its progress and development? In Singapore, the famous Singapore companies are mostly government-owned (SMRT, Singtel, Mediacorp, etc) in the same way as many of China's state-owned companies. So what we can learn from the above, is that China's strategy of a planned economy has been largely successful in helping produce Chinese brands that can compete on a global scale. In their fledgling stages, many of Chinese companies like Alibaba, Xiaomi, Tencent, would have perished if exposed directly to international competition from the global market. Therefore, the government's strategy of favoring Chinese companies over foreign companies in China, helps give Chinese companies an edge over their foreign counterparts, and allowed them to thrive and grow to become the business giants they are today. Which part of the above strategy is hard to understand? Chinese brands today stand as testament to the government's effective strategy of a planned economy.
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  26994. + kaimanfrosty China is world's 2nd largest economy today (surpassing Singapore's and Hong Kong's economies) so how exactly is the Chinese government holding back our economy? You think Chinese government should just open the floodgates and let foreign companies dominate Chinese markets? Then how exactly are we going to produce viable Chinese companies of our own? Even till now, you failed to name any famous Singapore or Hong Kong company or brand, to show for their progress and development. Chinese companies today are a direct result of the forward thinking and planning by the Chinese government, and that's why the CCP's planned market economy is successful. Singapore and Hong Kong opened their markets completely and in the end, foreign companies dominated their markets and that's why there aren't any local companies that were able to compete with them successfully. China would never be where we are today if not for the CCP's forward thinking and strategic planning and I have throughly explained my stance. Economic growth should be slow and steady, not rapid uncontrolled growth which could possibly lead to collapse (like with the collapse of the Soviet Union). About China growing old before growing rich, that's a necessary sacrifice for our country to grow and no point having rapid growth but the country suddenly collapse like the USSR. There are just so many factors involved that it's impossible to elaborate on everything within a single post here. But the results of the CCP's strategies are obvious.
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  27023.  @larry6601  You said: "She was forced. Her post (that was deleted for obvious reasons by the CCP) clearly states it was unwilling. UNWILLING is SEXUAL ASSAULT." I have read Peng Shuai's post (full translation available on Reddit) and while she was emotional over her previous tumultuous, on-and-off relationship with a much older man, where are the allegations of sexual assault in her post? In fact, according to the post she consented to have sex with him, then how can you claim sexual assault without proof? On 17th Nov, Peng Shuai even wrote an email to WTA stating that the allegation of sexual assault was not true, and that she was not missing. She also criticized the WTA for releasing what it claimed was unverified information about Peng without her consent. You said: "You need to learn the difference between "Evidence" and "Proof". Evidence supports a claim, while proof establishes truth." So again does the OP have evidence that this woman was threatened? No evidence = No proof. And without proof, why did the OP jump to the conclusion that she was threatened? "That being said, there is a ton of evidence. Just because the CCP sweeps the proof under the rug doesn't mean the evidence can be hidden. There is enough evidence to treat it as proof." Where's this evidence that she is being threatened? You're saying that the Communist Party of China sweep this evidence (or did you called it proof?) under the rug doesn't mean the proof (or did you call it evidence?) can be hidden? So where is this evidence/proof that supposedly doesn't seem to exist?
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  27027.  @larry6601  "My interpretation of her Weibo post in its entirety is that she was forced." Where does Peng Shuai say in her Weibo post that she was forced? I quoted the part where she agreed to sex, she wrote: "Taking into consideration the affection I had for you seven years ago, I agreed... yes, we had sex. Romantic attraction is such a complicated thing that explain it clearly. From that day on, I renewed my love for you." "I'm sorry, but when you're a married politician, and having sex with a star athlete, it's pretty obvious who's forcing who under who knows what conditions." Again, do you have evidence to support such a claim? Otherwise, it's just your own speculation that's all, could you point out where in Peng Shuai's post did she said she was forced? "Look up 1). IBRD, and 2). CCP China's voting shares, and the countries that vote alongside China in an effort to garner favor. The CCP is in the pockets of those who redefine poverty." 1) IBRD was created in 1944 to help Europe rebuild after World War II, but most of the developing countries in the world aren't exactly in Europe, does that mean IBRD is qualified to define "world poverty"? 2) Most of the countries that vote alongside China are poor developing countries themselves, so shouldn't the poor developed countries have a greater say in how to define poverty, rather poverty as defined by the rich developed countries? And your last statement that CPC is in the pockets of those who redefine poverty, do you have evidence of such an accusation? "Next, look up the statistic of income gaps between the Chinese people. Compare the top 0.2% of income earners with the bottom 40% of income earners. The top 0.2% easily brings up the averages for the entire country, thus giving the appearance of "lifting people out of poverty", but in reality, they're just deluding the real statistics of the bottom 40%." China's lifting of people out of poverty doesn't factor in the top 0.2%. Poverty in China refers mainly to the rural poor, so it doesn't take the top 0.2% and the bottom 40%, rendering your calculation invalid. However, when you compared to the United States, the bottom 50% of lower income American's lives haven't improved at all in the last 40 years.
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  27028.  @larry6601  "My evidence was provided in my previous message. It's obvious. The staged dinners, the recorded events, all awhile with her having a different demeanor about her." Where is the evidence that those dinners are staged? Previously you said: "The video taping of her eating dinner with CCP agents is also evidence." but how do you prove those were CPC agents? And you said: "The fact that everyone reacting to the camera like it were a staged event is also EVIDENCE" how is everyone reacting to the camera evidence that it was staged? Did you see her latest video where she's talking with former NBA star Yao Ming? "It is the CCP. You can call it CPC if you want, but it doesn't make it true." It is true, because that's the actual name of the party in Chinese, it's the Zhōngguó Gòngchǎndǎng (中国共产党) where Zhōngguó_(中国) means China and Gòngchǎndǎng (共产党) means Communist Party. "1. Only 7% of the Chinese population are in the CCP." But the party represents China. The CPC does all the planning for China's future, the goals and targets to achieve, the 5-year plans, 10-year plans, 20-year plans, 30-year plans, and so on. The CPC deals with all aspects of China from politics, economics, military, social issues, ethnic minority issues, cultural issues, education, R&D, etc and is the head of China, it's political representative, and the face of China to the world. That's why the it's called the Communist Party of China "2. It is a one party system, not representative of the people, by the people." How is it not representative of the people by the people? The CPC is comprised of Chinese people from all walks of lives. The top student (or top 5%) of every school in China is recruited to join the Communist Party, whether rich or poor, so the party is comprised of the best minds that China has to offer. And it is precisely because it's a one-party system, the CPC has to represent all of China. All the good things are credited to the CPC as well as blame for the bad things, and so the CPC learns from mistakes not to repeat them. Whereas in a two-party system (like USA for example) the two parties (Republicans and Democrats) constantly fight among themselves instead of fighting for America's future. Each sides tries to claim credit for America's success, meanwhile pushing the blame of America's failures onto the other party. That's how a two-party system is not representative of the people, by the people. I mean, the opposite is true; In a two-party system (i.e USA) if say the Americans elected the Republicans into power, then the Republican party represents only one aspect of the American population. Likewise, if the Americans elected the Democrats into power, then the Democratic party represents another aspect of the American population, not the whole country. That's possibly one reason why the USA is so divided today, because they have a two-party system, instead of a one-party system. I use America as an example, but you can use other multi-party systems and they seem to come to a similar sort of conclusion as this.
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  27029.  @larry6601  "Communism and authoritarianism don't work, and communism is only being kept alive in 5 countries (dying in 2, supported by the CCP in the other 2), all supported by Western capitalism and investment into China." It's no secret today that capitalism is killing the planet. Capitalism is the overproduction of goods for the sake of profits, unnecessarily polluting the Earth in the process, with the eventual goal being the complete depletion of the Earth's resources. Because our modern industries are just too efficient, we can literally produce enough food, goods, houses, schools, hospitals, etc for everyone on the Earth. Yet despite this, we still have starving people in the world, homeless people, illiteracy, people lacking access to healthcare, etc. Because under the capitalist system, the goods go to those who can afford it. Communism is the belief that every resource should be allocated to the people according to needs. The Earth's resources are finite, and capitalism only seeks to exhaust the Earth's resources in pursuit of profit, whereas communism is committed to the idea of distributing resources according to needs. Sure, it's not a perfect system but it seems preferable to capitalism, which is overproduction for the sake of profits. What's the point of hoarding profit? When we all eventually die, can capitalists take their profits into the afterlife? No. "1. If the CCP actually consisted of a notable size of the people of China" So what exactly is this "notable size" of the people of China? The Communist Party of China has a membership of 95 million members, that's about the population size of Germany for comparison. I mean, lets look at India, the world's largest democracy, and the leading Bharatiya Janata Party has a membership of 180 million (world's largest political party). That's impressive membership, but it only constitutes around 13% of India's entire population and isn't that much difference percentage-wise from the CPC's 7% of the people of China. "2. If the CCP didn't bully its neighbors in the South China Sea" What do you mean by bully? In 2013, the Philippines coastguard (patrol boat Maritime Control Surveillance 3001) shoot to death a 65-year old Chinese fisherman, Hong Shicheng (洪石成) but which Philippine fisherman been shot to death by Chinese coastguard? None! Indonesian government has been exploding fishing boats from Vietnam (142), the Philippines (76), Malaysia (49), as well as one from China, but Chinese government did not explode any other country's fishing boats. "3. If the CCP didn't encourage IP theft and forced technology transfer" Back when foreign companies started coming to China, they agreed to transfer technology as part of the terms of setting up shop here in China. China did not point a gun at these foreign companies and force them to transfer technology, if they don't like China's terms, then they are welcome to pack their bags and take their business elsewhere. But these foreign companies agreed to transfer technology to China, (because that's how capitalism works) then why blame China when they choose to do so?
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  27030.  @larry6601  "6. If the CCP stopped staking claim over a sovereign nation we know as Taiwan" If you go and read Taiwan's own constitution, it says that Taiwan is part of China. Since there hasn't been any amendments to Taiwan's constitution (nor has there been any formal declaration of independence from Taiwan) then by default, Taiwan is part of China under their own constitution. Many countries across the world recognize Taiwan as part of China, including the USA, UK, France, Germany, Canada, Australia, etc, and Taiwan doesn't have any embassies in any major countries. Recently, even the Solomon Islands and Nicaragua switched recognition of Taipei to Beijing. "8. If the CCP didn't support North Korea" North Korea 🇰🇵 is one of the allies of the People's Republic of China 🇨🇳, they helped the communists fight against the nationalists KMT during the Chinese Civil War. To repay this, China helped North Korea push the U.S forces back, when the USA crossed the 38th Parallel and invaded the DPRK. China has also provided extensive economic assistance to Pyongyang to support the reconstruction and economic development of North Korea after the 1953 signing of the Korean War Armistice. Then why should China stop supporting North Korea? China is North Korea's biggest trade partner, we send food, medicine, humanitarian assistance, and Chinese companies to do business in North Korea, as well as Chinese tourists to visit the country and spend money on their economy, why should China cease all this support to North Korea? "9. If the CCP stops fishing the world's oceans to death with a larger distance fishing fleet larger than the world's combined" China has to feed the world's largest population (at an estimated 1.4 billion people), so our fishing vessels have to travel further to forage for food to feed our enormous population. Furthermore, it's actually better if Chinese fishing vessels travel far and wide, because can you imagine such a huge concentration of fishing vessels fishing only within Chinese waters? That would quickly deplete the fish stocks within Chinese waters if our vessels were restricted to only fishing within our waters.
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