Comments by "oolong2" (@oolong2) on "Biden's STRONGEST Covid Crack Down Yet" video.

I still don't know why natural immunity isn't part of the conversation like it already has been in other countries for a long time now... You do realize that all vaccines do is mimic an infection right? It's been shown in multiple studies that people who have recovered from covid have higher immunity to the variants than people who are just vaccinated. Yet for some reason the conversation in this country only involves being "vax" and "ant-vax".
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@calinasagilitypartner4444 Understand that I'm not advocating that everyone go out and infected with Covid without being vaccination. The word "natural immunity" is a word that doesn't mean "everyone should go out and get Covid". Only that we should take into account people who have ALREADY been infected with Covid. It's like everyone has some weird Pavlovian response to the word.
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@TheRealVenna You literally just described mimicking an infection. That's the entire purpose of injecting a dead or weakened version of a virus. So that the body thinks it is infected in order to produce antibodies and a proper immune response, which is exactly what happens when you're infected with Covid Genius... It's a similar mechanism to messenger RNA causing cells to create Covid 19 spike proteins in the new vaccines. In both cases your body is responding to a simulated infection. Furthermore I'm perfectly aware that not everyone survives Covid, but the fact is there are millions WHO ALREADY HAVE who can be tested for antibodies with a simple blood test. People are seriously crazy in their political camps. Like you cannot talk about basic science without it turning into a nonsense culture war. 🙄 Please re-read your reply and understand how crazy you sound.
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@LoveFactorySweatShop No it's actually based on numerous studies. Please use your google machine. You can start with these two, but there are several more. -"Comparing SARS-CoV-2 natural immunity to vaccine-induced immunity: reinfections versus breakthrough infections" -"Necessity of COVID-19 vaccination in previously infected individuals" Apparently no one is allowed to talk about the millions in this country who actually have immunity through a previous infection and with each study it's looking as if prior infection has an even greater immunity to the variants than the vaccine. It should also be obvious that I'm not telling people to go out and get Covid, but apparently I need to spell that out every time.
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@robertholden8956 You sound incapable of forming an actual argument. So your comment sounds more like projection to me. If all you can do is lob insults without a thought process, then you're no different than the q-anon/MAGA crowd.
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@antondevonlh They studies are actually not "new". The second one is months old and has been republished. Any study on the vaccines is far newer than the numerous studies on the actual infection. The Lancet study was done back in March. You can find a dozen studies confirming lasting immunity prior to infection going back well over a year. Last summer people were unsure how long immunity would last, but it's been repeatedly confirmed since then. People who recovered from Covid were (And still are) donating plasma to help others recover from Covid. So the idea that this is some kind new or unstudied phenomena is complete BS. People are still producing antibodies well over a year later this has long been confirmed. I confirmed my own antibodies with a blood test recently. Again, I'm not advocating that people don't get vaccinated so your point about mutations is entirely moot. The rest of the world not having access to vaccines, particularly the global south, is the reason we have variants today. So if you want to stop variants you would be talking to Biden about releasing vaccine patents. However it is a fact that vaccinations are showing decreased effectiveness over time against the variants which isn't being shown in the same way with people who recovered from Covid. In fact Israel is recommending booster shots for those who have been vaccinated for this very reason. So for all we know current vaccines may just be a stop gap to a more permanent solution. If we're not tracking people who recovered then we're just being really dumb. I don't think it's a "deep state conspiracy". I think people are just so far up their own behinds with partisan politics that they stopped thinking.
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@qjtvaddict I never once said that the infection wasn't damaging to your body.. Try again. You immediately jump to conclusions because the media has primed you with a pavlovian response to certain topics. The political climate has caused you to turn off your brain.
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@calinasagilitypartner4444 Are you being serious right now? Since when have people stopped understanding definitions of words? "Natural immunity" simply means someone who got immunity through a prior infection. It DOES NOT mean everyone should go out and get infected with something. You're confusing the idea of getting "herd immunity" through natural infection which was an idea some right wingers promoted last year, as well as the policy in Sweden which allowed younger people to contract the disease. You can get herd immunity through vaccination or through natural infection. With the latter being more deadly because a certain amount of people would die and overwhelm hospitals. However the fact is a large amount of people have natural immunity to Covid which should be considered in public policy and when studying disease and all of its variants..
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@qjtvaddict Yes there is evidence showing that when people with natural immunity are given a vaccines they have "super immunity" to the virus. However that doesn't change the fact that people with natural immunity already have a stronger and longer lasting immunity to the virus than people who are just vaccinated. Also there isn't any evidence that this "super immunity" is long lasting or comes with any long term additional benefits. One of the studies I posted above showed there was no additional benefit to vaccinating people who already had Covid. Bottom line is that there is no reason to not consider people who have already had Covid "immune" to the virus. It is also something we should be TRACKING because vaccination apparently doesn't last as long as people thought. I don't know why this idea is somehow controversial when it is long established science.
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