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  430. You had PLENTY of chances to speak. It's because your points were incoherent and nonsensical. Your "examples" of libertarian societies are only examples that ignore the clear cases of either government or communal efforts in those societies. Guess what? Our society and economy today is a million times more complex than it was in 3500BC or even 1800. You people are like teenagers who simply take for granted the roof over their head without having any clue what it took to get it. Then you scream "I don't want any rules!" Humans have by and large ALWAYS lived in tribes and those tribes had structure, rules, and communal efforts that benefited everyone. In fact those societies that you claim are libertarian had far less "freedom" than we do today. The reason you only mention "ancient" societies is because we know little about how they function, so you're able to project onto them your Utopian fantasy that never really existed. However our modern concepts do not apply at all to these ancient societies governed by family, religion, customs, superstitions, etc. Governments are simply extensions and a more complex form of the same tribal, clan, and family concepts that humans have had for thousands of years. It is practically built into our DNA. The only reason humans have language, bonds, and tribalism is to reinforce these societal constructs. That have been the very key to our survival. However the latest incarnation of that tribal union that we call "government" is currently corrupted by private systems and money. We have no check on the power of money, the accumulation of property, or the major influence it has on our governing systems. Throwing what little government checks we have away and insuring that the wealthy have more power and influence is not somehow the answer to our problems.
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  600. Never said Clinton wasn't corrupt. However if you think that Trump is somehow less corrupt or just as corrupt, then I'm sorry but you're fucking gullible... It was OBVIOUS that Trump's corruption far exceeded any politician in the primary. He has a long history of cronyism, conning people, discrimination, paying off politicians, using his foundation for personal presents or paying legal fines for his company, and even working with the Mob. Trump has an entire Wikipedia page dedicated to his scandals as well as numerous sites listing the hundreds of issues that he's flip flopped on, as well as the most lies of any candidate for president by politifact, fackcheck, & snoops. Yet SOMEHOW you think taking donor money or giving a speech on wall st is the SAME? fucking absurd.. Are you surprised that he's appointed the CEO of Exon Mobile as Secretary of State? Are you surprised that he's filling positions in his with Goldman Sachs representatives and donors? Are you surprised that he wants an office for his daughter in the white house to run his companies out of ? Are you surprised that he brings his family members along when visiting heads of state so they can get inside information and help put pressure in getting his realestate deals through? I'm not surprised because it was OBVIOUS that he would do these things once he got into office. But "oh my!" there were emails so I guess all that is moot right? As if Trump's own emails wouldn't be far more devastating, but those weren't leaked. How convenient. TRUMP WANT'S TO GET RID OF OBAMACARE!!! The ACA has saved the lives of at least 100,000 people or perhaps even closer to 200,000 people since it was enacted. Why? Because #1. new hospitals regulations has caused fewer deaths (at least 87,000 from just 2010-2014). #2 there has been a 25% reduction in the people who are uninsured. So based on the 45K figure you mentioned it means 10,000 fewer people dead EACH YEAR. So HOW THE FUCK can you compare someone who wants to kill THOUSANDS by getting rid of the ACA with nothing substantial to back it up vs. someone who wants to keep the ACA and work on legislation to make it better? Yeah Single Payer would be better, but fucking hell dude how can you even begin to compare those two positions? Sorry but taking the HUNDREDS of cases of lies and corruption from Trump and the few cases of corruption and lies with Hillary and "calling it even" is no different than what CNN does.
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  619. So much wrong in this commentary:... 1. The idea that you cannot go for legislative change while at the SAME TIME criticizing people for being bigoted, Is a false choice. No one ever said that criticizing Dave Chapple's commentary is more important than legislative change. You just made that up. 2. I really don't understand how you can't tell the a difference between a racist TV 'character' vs a person being racist. There's obviously a HUGE different between those two things. Dave Chappelle played lots of characters who were over the top racist or misogynistic, etc. but people know the difference between a comedian playing a character who is racist for the sake of comedy vs a comedian appearing to use his fame to marginalize a minority group. 3. There are often problems with how various characters (Asian, Black, Native American) have been depicted in movies and television. Sorry, but I don't think telling your mom to "get over it" if she has a problem with how Italians are depicted in the Sopranos is the right response. Making characters MORE ACCURATE is always a good thing. That might mean depicting Italian mobsters as racist, but it also means making sure they are representing Italian culture properly. Telling anyone who has a criticism of anything creative to "don't watch it" is like telling someone who has a criticism of the US government to "move". It's completely unproductive. 4. The fact that John Stewart knows and likes Dave Chappell is not a "defense". There are always people that we like who say dumb things in public. The fact that we like them and know them personally doesn't make their statements any less dumb or hurtful to certain people. 5. It sounds like Dave Chappell and John Stewart are open to having a dialogue. That isn't a bad thing and having a dialog gets society to a better place. However to just say: "it's art so get over it" and "don't watch it if you don't like it" That isn't a helpful dialog.
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  698. Completely disagree....   All my life I've never smoked, did drugs, or drank alcohol really,  never even been drunk...  However a few months ago I decided to try some edibles while I was in Colorado.  First of all since it was my first time I made sure I went to a highly rated place.  Being cautious is something most people do when trying ANYTHING for the first time.   Secondly my experience at this particular place is that they hand you a menu telling you exactly about the types of Marijuana and their effects, each type of edible, the THC content and the recommended dosages (for an average adult) for each as well as what you should do if it is your first time having an edible...   Not only that but you have the time to ask questions from very knowledgeable people before making up your mind. Furthermore if that wasn't enough there is recommended dosages and serving sizes on the packaging itself.... So the idea that someone is going to grab an edible and not know what they are getting is nonsense.  You feel far more informed and in control getting an edible from a legal place where exact dosages, THC content, etc. is spelled out in exact milligrams, than if one of your friends decided to bake a batch of brownies with some stuff he bought off the street one day. If you're going to ban edibles then you might as well ban liqueur, cocktails, and other sugary drinks.  If people can't figure out how much to consume based on all the information laid out for them then they probably shouldn't be trying it in the first place...
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  835. Way to create a straw man Kyle.... Maybe, just maybe, this isn't about a single smoking gun but rather a consistent pattern of behavior with a particular foreign government. 04:30 Guess what? That DIDN'T HAPPEN WITH OBAMA. Obama wasn't constantly repeating propaganda from the Russians, the RNC and Romney wasn't hacked by the Russians, Obama's campaign manager wasn't getting paid by the Russians, Obama didn't obstruct an investigation into his campaign, Obama didn't have millions in investments and debt to Russian oligarchs., Obama didn't have the former FBI director imply that there could be collusion in his sworn testimony, Obama didn't have people in his own party who have access to classified information saying "it looks bad". I could go on and on. The problem isn't a single case, it's an ongoing pattern of behavior that you're IGNORING Yes information in a democracy is a good thing, but when you hack and release information from ONE PARTY and ONE CANDIDATE and not the other then OF COURSE you're going to manipulate an election The population getting skewed information IS NOT FUCKING DEMOCRATIC. Just like money in politics which allows information to be skewed heavily to one side IS NOT DEMOCRATIC. How could you not realize that? Guess what? The RNC WAS ALSO colluding against Trump and was trying to change the rules to not allow Trump to win however it didn't become a huge story because there wasn't a massive leak of their emails. Holy shit how can you be so freaking naive?
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  1216. "BIN LADIN DETERMINED TO STRIKE IN THE US".... That was the briefing provided BY THE CIA to George Bush (that he ignored) shortly before the trade towers were stuck. The Bush administration and specifically CHENEY proceeded to turn the CIA into a propaganda wing in which they pressured the dept and manipulated reports to get the narrative that they wanted. Cheney was also the one who pushed for torture and black sites. Many analysts who prided themselves on getting intelligence right quit the CIA during this time because they couldn't do their jobs effectively. So this idea that just because the CIA did some horrible shit under the Bush administration that nothing they say can be trusted is kind of bullshit... There are lots of people there who take their job seriously. There were reports of Russia interfering with the election LONG before Trump won. You reported this during the primary Kyle so you can stop pretending as if it was suddenly just brought up. Furthermore just because you want more transparency laws doesn't somehow make it okay that everything was leaked from one candidate and nothing was leaked from another. That doesn't make for a fair election. It's not somehow news that politicians have public and private positions. Nor is it news that they pressure the media to get the narrative that they want. Do you think Trump doesn't? Of course he does. So how is it fair to only bash Hillary and the DNC for months over something that Trump and the RNC do as well? Well that's how you manipulate an election, you make the story one-sided.
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  1221. It's already been established that the whole reason Hillary Clinton got a private server was so that she could keep using her Blackberry while she was secretary of state instead of having to be issued a different phone that would work with the government's IT. The whole "controversy" was because that server wasn't that secure. Even Trumps's staff and other government officials are using private email servers. It's not Occam's Razor when you have to make a logical leap that simply having a private email server alone somehow equates to doing corrupt things with your non-profit foundation. Specifically that having a private email server somehow means that you must be laundering money through that foundation somehow? I honestly hate it when people make these false equivalences under the guise of being "balanced" when they're really not. Trump asked Comey not to investigate Flynn, Trump mentioned the Russia investigation several times when talking about firing Comey, Trump had not problems with Comey before that. You really don't need to make a logical leap there when Trump has basically admitted to it. However you do have to make a logical leap by making some weird money laundering scheme because of a private email server. Now with Obama yeah it's pretty common knowledge that taking money from those industries for your campaign will indeed make you more sympathetic to their needs over the needs of the american people. Not to mention the fact that being leader of the party you feel obligated to help with your party getting donations down ballot.
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  1271. Ashdidntketchum all Yeah of course Bernie would have won. However knowing that doesn't change the outcome. Even if you took out the DNC bias it STILL wouldn't have changed anything.... Hillary was consistently way ahead in most states throughout the entire race. The only slim chance Bernie had was a contested convention and he couldn't even get there and even if he got there it was always a long shot. The biggest factor IMO were the rules in primary voting. If all the primaries were open (with independents voting) and young people were allowed to register and vote then Bernie would have had a MUCH better shot. However I don't fault Hillary for wanting to be president and doing everything she could to make that happen. I fault a system that allowed "parties" (factions) and money to control our government. I completely agree that we should talk about how Bernie is a better candidate. However what kind of message are we sending by spending the next 4 years talking about how corrupt Hillary was or might be? All that does is continue to make Hillary and corruption the face of the democratic party. Why would we do that? Instead we should be spending the next 4 years talking about Bernie, Warren, and all the new faces and more importantly the POLICIES that will make a real difference in this country. Unfortunately being a "celebrity" is always going to have an advantage in a popularity contest. The only way that I know of to get around that (somewhat) is by educating the people. But right now we have a new republican administration, congress, and potentially a judicial branch that is about to be in TOTAL POWER of this country. Bitching about Hillary isn't going to do anything to change that.
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  1347. Jacy Miller, Sorry, but the only double standard I see here is on Kyle's part. 1. Many foreign leaders say "I got X leader to do Y". It's called negotiation and diplomacy. Trump also said that he got North Korea to denuclearize. Which of course is not true because they haven't done squat, but at the same time if they did you wouldn't call that influence treasonous or corrupt. 2. I don't believe that Netanyahu unilaterally got Trump to exit the Iran Deal and guess what? Neither do you and neither does Kyle.... We know that neocons have been against that deal ever the Obama administration started working on it. We know that the Trump has many of these same neocons in his administration. We know that Trump even CAMPAIGNED on the idea that the Iran Deal was bad because he was against everything Obama did (because he's a fucking child). So Kyle is completely lying to himself and his audience on the idea that we should believe that Netanyahu unilaterally called up Trump one day and he changed his mind. That's not what happened. It's something that Trump was willing to do ever since he started campaigning and Kyle knows that. 3. Let's not pretend that a leader of a country trying to convince another leader to do something is the same as another country hacking into servers, infiltrating political groups, attempting to hack into voting machines, and waging a fake news propaganda and troll campaign on social media all to get the guy they've had their eye on for years. And BTW the guy is completely indebted to the Russian Oligarchs/Mob that controls the country since they bailed out his businesses. And BTW the leader of that country said on national TV that he wanted one guy to win and directed his officials to make that happen. And BTW the guy is doing everything he can to obstruct justice and shut down the investigation even going as far as saying on National TV that his own intelligence agencies are lying and that the Russian government should help them. Sorry, but I'm not having the conversation that those two things are somehow "equal" because they're not. Kyle is purposely elevating this story and ignoring ALL THE OTHERS, because he's acting like a complete hack when it comes to this topic. He's suffering from confirmation bias and If he keeps letting his ego get in the way of his objectivity then it's going to be his downfall.
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  1404. Who the exactly is "they" Kyle? You're starting to sound like Alex Jones... Your coverage here is incredibly simplistic. 1. EVERYONE KNOWS that the Senate removes the president from Office and that a removal is unlikely to happen in a Republican controlled senate. That was never the argument for moving forward with impeachment proceedings. Nancy Pelosi was literally talking about that over a year ago. 2. The reason why CNN says that impeachment doesn't require a crime is because it is a fact.... Why are we upset that CNN is stating constitutional facts? And no it's not "moving the goal post" when you look at the actual history of impeachment in this country. It's just stating legal facts. 3. Impeaching Trump and failing to remove him from office is not as bad as the political price Democrats would pay for doing NOTHING. Not to mention the price this country would pay for doing nothing. You're basically saying that we should be okay with presidents subverting democracy and doing every illegal trick in the book to stay in power. 4. I don't know what polls you're looking at but support for impeachment jumped 10 point. If it can jump another 10 points then Republicans lose their incentive to not impeach him, because tying themselves to Trump will cause them to lose their jobs. 5. Bill Clinton's approval rating was already high going into impeachment. It wasn't in the 40s like it is for Trump... You don't know what you're talking about here. Everyone knew that impeachment over a blow job was a joke and Bill Clinton was seen doing a decent job. The reason "you don't see it" is because your model is wrong. You're acting like Nancy Pelosi, stuck in the 90s.
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  2010. SilverAbsol 1.  You had no argument so there was nothing to respond to.  I respond to my own arguments not things you make up. 2.  So in other words you're just imagining cheaper method without providing a single thing to back it up.  Furthermore you're comparing the justice system of a gulf state with the justice system of the US.  You just said earlier it wasn't even valid to compare the US and Europe and yet you're trying to use a completely different justice system, culture, and economy that is far more removed form western society to compare costs?  Your logic lacks any consistency. We've literally had centuries of the death penalty in this country to understand what the costs are and in most cases it is far more expensive than life in prison.  I've also provided you links to this information.  So we don't need your imagination to understand the costs. 3. Being a Canadian you seem to have no problems making assumptions about gulf states and monarchy governments that you know little about.  Qatar has a similar murder rate to Canada and the US with the death penalty has a MUCH higher murder rate than Canada and we're right next to one another.  So you clearly have no idea what you're talking about here. You've somehow got it into your head that the death penalty is this magic deterrent, but you haven't actually done any research have you? Again, there are specific socioeconomic factors that lead to crime violence and even mental illness.  It is well known that poverty and dense populations lead to more crime and violence.   This is why there is more crime in cities, especially in poor cities. Honduras is one of the most poorest countries in the western hemisphere.  THAT is why there is more violence and murder.  Same with Brazil. Qatar, Kuwait, & UAE have the richest people (per capita) in the world.  THAT is why they have low murder rates.  Get it?  It has nothing to do with the death penalty AT ALL.... The idea that someone in the middle of a crime is going to at first sit around and analyze the pros and cons about the death penalty, life behind bars, or any other punishment is absurd.   The only thing on people's mind during a crime is not getting caught and sometimes not even that.
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  2013. GothicIntellect Did I call you white or black? Nope... "You people" referring to people who make assumptions about a movements present and past that you don't know anything about. As I went on to explain. I don't care what your race is. I care about your backwards ideas. BLM has two websites so you can educate yourself on exactly what they are asking for. Instead of making up your own narrative. Again, the deaths specifically protested this year have little to nothing to do with resistance. As well as the statistics that are plain to see. You could educate yourself on these things instead of making up your own narrative. There are more white people in this country. Of course more would be shot. Do you not know how percentages work? Guess what? pretty much all the cops killed this year where killed by white people with guns. Black on Black crime is just as prevalent as White on White crime, Hispanic on Hispanic crime, and Asian on Asian crime. You know why? You know what the big fucking secret is? Because people of the same race typically live near each other and criminals attack people near them not the next town over. However you've clearly been fooled into an ignorant and racist narrative that wants you to believe that this is somehow unique to black people. It isn't. Look at the fucking statistics. Again, MLK was investigated by the FBI and he was accused of inciting violence. Again, people like you who made the same assumptions about MLK in the 60s as you are with BLM today. You assume they are violent when there are hundreds (if not thousands) of peaceful protests. Of course they have cameras on all the time, but if it bleeds it leads right? That's why you only care about a chant from a year ago but you don't give a shit about the hundreds of peaceful protests.
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  2086. ***** You made a huge a non sequitur between "quantifying resources" and the fact that organisms need resources to survive.  One does not rely on the other.... The fact is animals, especially human animals, do not need money to survive, we've simply created a system and environment where it is impossible for people to survive without it. Furthermore money is an abstract representation of wealth, it has absolutely NOTHING to do with quantifying resources....  Money simply represents our perception of "value" at any given point.  The fact that a cellphone costs $800 when it's released and then $99 a year later has absolutely nothing to do with resources.  The entire FIRE economy (Financial, Insurance, Real Estate) where a great percentage of the wealth is created has absolutely nothing to do with resources.  The sudden rise and fall of the price of gold and many other commodities has absolutely nothing to do with the actual resource. Because we have this abstraction rather than a REAL representation of resources, it allows for things like rampant pollution, factory farming and other unsustainable farming techniques (example: the Dust Bowl from 30s), mountain top removal mining, millions of tons of edible food ending up in landfills while people starve, islands of garbage the size of Texas floating in our oceans, celebrities getting paid millions of dollars for being attractive and popular. Furthermore out of  the need for money comes the all powerful "profit motive" which is the root of all corruption.  Humans are trained to covet money (an abstraction) as the most important thing in this world and when you live in a society where having money is more important then how you acquired it then it's not surprising that people make moral trade offs to get it.
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  2091. Kyle.... There are far more more issues than the Iraq Resolution vote and the TPP..... And I think if you got passed your bullshit purity tests you could actually come around to tepidly supporting Hillary Clinton. Like Michael I supported Bernie Sanders for president years BEFORE he ran for president. It's sad to see that many of the new Bernie Sanders supporters who jumped on the bandwagon have become whiny little bitches.... They got a taste of something good and pure and suddenly if someone does pass that purity test they are shit. Why? Because all they can do is focus on those differences between Hillary and Bernie while they ignore the 80-90% similarities. You pretend to care about the policy substance however 95% of your videos are not on policy they are on possible hints of corruption that is unsubstantiated and unproven. You have spent very little time talking about policies or the differences between Trump's policies and Hillary's policies. Obama supports the TPP and didn't flip on gay marriage until recently yet somehow you can be nuanced with his positions and don't go around saying that you "hate" him.... Why is that? MOST OF CONGRESS voted for the Iraq resolution, which is why it passed. But you leave out the fact that the Bush Administration lied to everyone and that many voting for the resolution weren't wanting war, just leverage against Saddam. However in your mind voting for the Iraq Resolution is the same as the Bush Administration waging the war indefinitely and having NO PLAN, torture, gitmo, etc. it's not. Those are things the BUSH ADMINISTRATION ended up fucking up with that authorization from congress. This all comes form a point that Bernie made against Hillary during the primary and that Trump jumped on and suddenly a vote from 14 years ago is the most important things in 2016?..... You're being fucking led by the nose. You also leave out the MANY positions in which Hillary is actually pretty good on. As if the only policies in this election are the Iraq vote and TPP.... I totally agree with Michael. I hated that Bernie didn't win, but there are some positive things about Hillary that I can actually get behind. And like Bernie I will do everything I can to push her in the right direction instead of just focusing everything I dislike about her.
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  2115. Daily News Mysteries  My feelings aren't hurt, I'm just trying to educate you because you're clearly uninformed.  Oh wait.... Is this the part where you assume that just because I advocate for policies that will benefit the poor and the disenfranchised that I must be poor myself?  lol...  Before you make a complete fool of yourself maybe you should look at my past videos and see all the ski trips I've taken and realize that I do these trips several times a year and it is not a cheap habit.  No I'm doing well for myself.   I'm just intelligent.  I was a libertarian myself for about two weeks, but it didn't take long to realize how flawed the ideology was.  It doesn't take but two minutes of research to realize that the entire philosophy is flawed.  If you're scientifically minded you look for evidence, but most of you guys don't care about evidence you just care about ideological feelings. I even donated to Ron Paul's presidential campaign, mostly because despite some of his flawed views he was the most reasonable guy in the republican party at the time. No I don't need anything from Sanders.  I just know that many of his his polices have a proven record to be a net benefit in places like Iceland, Denmark, Germany, Sweden, Japan, South Korea, etc.   Most people just don't do research so they're just ignorant to this fact. Understand that the entire human condition is based on community.   Families, villages, towns, cities, countries, etc.  There is no point to even develop language without society. Every great achievement in human history has come out of the societies and governments that we've built.   If you think you will be happy just focusing on yourself then you were told a lie.
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  2185.  @FastdounutTV  You can make the same argument about ending the life of a plant. In case you didn't realize it plants are lifeforms too and most of the plants we consume can't live without some form of animal biological activity. As a substitute for animals industrial farms rely on oil in the form of petrochemicals to create fertilizers and pesticides made to kill the animals that would eat the lettuce that goes on your sandwich.... Never mind the TRILLIONS of other animals that also get killed by the same pesticides even though they don't care about your lettuce. All life forms are on a pedestal as far as I'm concerned and all life should be respected in different ways. That's what indigenous populations learned over time and that's what we should learn too. This idea of being "moral" when we only care about the warm fuzzy animals being killed Is just being conceited. It is based on the belief that our form of life is the only thing of value. We ignore the billions of animals killed by our own pets because in our minds we just think we're better and "more evolved" than other animals simply for having a brain that is slightly more complex in one area. But other animals killing other animals is fine, because they're just dumb right? The reality is all life consumes other life, that's the way it has always been for billions of years. Even humans are consumed by viruses, bacteria, fungi, and numerous parasites even though we've mostly figured out how to protect ourselves from larger animals.
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  2255. This entire segment you talk about grifters, but don't actually show people grifting... If you're actually following the science then it says that natural immunity has about the same effectiveness as someone fully vaccinated Pfizer plus a booster, based on the latest findings. The number of people who have died from a secondary covid infection is practically zero. Yes, there is a reduced protection with Omicron, but it is nearly the same reduction in protection as someone fully vaccinated plus booster. Furthermore, even if you get infected your T-cells will still get activated and prevent hospitalization and death. So, if you think creating a law based on that fact is "grifting" then you have to ask yourself who is grifting here... Furthermore, you can prove natural immunity with previous positive test or a blood test. It really isn't that difficult. For most other viruses, prior infection gives a person immunity that is most of the time better than immunity through vaccination. It is AMAZING to me that TYT is so caught up in the culture war over vaccines that they don't realize that it is in the pharmaceutical company's best interest to sell more vaccinations, so of course they're going to ignore natural immunity. The reason why there is more "data" for vaccines is because it is in their best interest to fund more studies that are favorable to their product and most of these studies are using subjects that are recently vaccinated when antibodies and effectiveness are at their peak. After 2 months that effectiveness wanes considerably. Plus, you have to worry about "immune system fatigue", injecting people with boosters over and over is really not a long-term effective strategy.
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  2802. Girish Seshan There is a lot of interpretation when it comes to her emails and the foundation. Most of it is just an assumption that she did something nafarious without any actual evidence. The DNC emails just shows the DNC's bias. It's not like she personally made them do anything. Yeah she's not left enough, but neither was Obama. However she's still night and day compared to Trump or anyone in the GOP when it comes to climate change, abortion, gun regulation, tax regulations, minimum wage, health care, infrastructure, private prisons, etc. The no fly zone or safe zone would depend on how it's implemented. She has partnered with Russia before so I wouldn't doubt that she would do it again. I would think (hope) that threatening a no fly zone is just a way of getting Russia to the table for negotiating the Syrian refugee crisis. The same way that she used sanctions and other threats to get Iran to the table for a nuclear deal. TPP yeah she's going to want to push something through. However if she actually goes through with her promise of making it good for workers and the environment then I wouldn't mind it. It's not like we can never do trade deals or anything. Here's how I see it.... FDR and LBJ were both "moderates" and deeply status quo. However they ended up doing great things for the country because they were pushed into the right positions. HRC knows how to wield power and I think with the right grassroots movement she can be pushed into the right policies. She's also going to be looking to make a name for herself as the first female president. So I would expect she would be looking to push some historic legislation with hopefully people like Elisabeth Warren and Bernie Sanders there to guide her.
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  2811. Djovan Henriques If I wasn't calm I couldn't vote for the candidate with the better policies despite my undying support for Bernie. I definitely don't want you to shut up, but what I want you to do is focus that energy towards planning for the next election because bitching about the primary and bitching about Hilary Clinton is NOT going to accomplish a damn thing. It just isn't. Kyle saying that "we were right" about Bernie over and over isn't going to accomplish a damn thing other than stroking his own ego. I don't care about being right I care about fascism not winning. What is actually going to accomplish something is pointing out the policy issues and corruption in the current administration, as well as creating a movement (like Bernie has said over and over) to highlight those issues over and over. This will force ANY candidate running against Trump to make those issues part of their platform. However if you insist on making it about "purity" then I'm sorry we're going to lose. If Bernie decides to run again, great, fantastic! But if you think that we're magically going to get "all pure" candidates for the house, senate, and presidency in the next 2-3 years (let alone the midterms) then you're all just delusional. The standard CANNOT BE whether a person ever received money from Wall St or has been as pure as Bernie has been for the last 40 years. If that is your standard then we're going to lose to Trump We're going to lose to Mr "grab them by the pussy", Mr Trump University scam, Mr Ties made in China. A person who is the least "pure" of anyone, however he at least had a message to run on while the left was busy eating itself and smelling their own farts. Do you see my perspective now?
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  2831. +Cave Johnson Well the fact is that any industry that has been run by certain groups of families for decades is naturally going to have bias towards a certain group of people. You're more likely to want to work with your friends and family. You're more likely to acknowledge people in your social circles. There's nothing malicious about it, but it does create a situation that perpetually limits the opportunities of "outsiders" whether they are black, Asian, Hispanic, Indian, Middle Eastern, etc.. Which is why you have black directors/producers which try to balance things out by creating "black movies" (Spike Lee, Tyler Perry, etc). I don't like that idea either because I'd rather watch a movie, not watch a movie making a statement about the people who are acting and working on the movie and it doesn't matter how good the performances are in those movies they're not going to get nominated for awards because of the bias. So you can say "Equality in opportunity", but doesn't that have the same issues with "equality of outcome"? You're not going to be able to force directors, writers, and producers to somehow cast minorities everywhere in high profile movies. That's also going to interfere with the creative process right? So perhaps the only thing people can do is speak out about it and make people aware of the issue so that at least people are thinking about it and keeping and open mind when they're writing the next script, or producing the next movie, or considering the next nomination for an award. Being aware of your own bias is the first step towards mitigating it.
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  2839. Well it's precisely because you're not black that you don't understand... She didn't say that white people are not killed, she said not killed in the same way. Simply put, race is a factor in whether the police (or anyone) thinks that you could be a potential "bad guy" or not, being poor is also a factor. If you're poor and black then you have even more assumptions about you. If you're black you start to notice that you get harassed more often than your white friends, even in the same situation. This is also proven by many studies and statistics. This country has had a very long history of bias, discrimination and the police cracking down more on blacks has been going on since slaves were freed. So it's not something that suddenly all black people decided to make up one day. It's something that has just become more obvious because more of the poor and middle class have camera phones. No one thinks this is a simple issue of people being racist or not being racist. Yes there are still many white supremacist groups out there today, but most people are referring to the unconscious institutional bias that basically causes black people to be targeted more and seen as a threat more even when they have done nothing wrong. All that does is create a lot of animosity towards the police and the system. It also serves to divide this country more because one side has had an ongoing problem for decades and the other side refuses to even acknowledge it despite evidence and studies. If I came to you every day and said that my leg hurts constantly and said "don't you see that it's bleeding?" and you pretended that I didn't have a problem with my leg and that "all limbs matter". Then I would probably start to have animosity towards you because I would think that you just don't care. In reality it's not that you're a bad person, it's just that you don't experience the same things.
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  2855. genie0390 1. It just means that in Canada their laws respect the "right to life" more than your right to shoot someone in the face when they knock on your door in the middle of the night when their car breaks down.  Something which actually happens in the US...  Seeing as their homicide rates are less than half of ours.  It kind of makes sense.  Burglary homicides are actually pretty rare.   This doesn't mean you're less free it just means the freedom to kill someone because you're frightened doesn't trump the right for people to live. 2.  The US also has hate crime laws which don't exist in many other countries.  The US also restricts speech when it comes to inciting violence, defamation, etc.  We also have a great amount of censorship for TV, Radio, etc. that isn't as strict or puritarian in many other countries. So yes when it comes specifically to "hate speech" you can say there are more liberties in the US, but there are many forms of speech, expression, etc. to consider. 3.  It also costs tax money to have a police officers prevent a rape/muggings or a firemen to put out fires.  The military and the wars alone cost trillions. So what's your point?   The fact is we have tens of thousands of people die in this country because of lack of health coverage.  So the "right to life" is not a priority here as it is in other countries.  Someone coming from just about ANY other industrialized country looks at that as a huge restriction.   I don't have to worry about buying "special insurance" and pray that I'm covered if something happens when I travel to the UK, France, or Canada.
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  2891. nicocomerci "how is it possible to have democracy without parties?" The founders did not envision parties to have of major role in our democracy.  In fact they thought the creation of "factions" within the government would be a destructive force.  So therefore they no provisions for parties in our constitution (like in other western democracies that came later), but at the same time they had no clue how to prevent them from forming.  One could make an argument for parties at a time when literacy was low and communication took forever.  However today and for a very long time parties have been nothing more than marketing agencies for politicians.  They don't serve the people, they serve to get politicians elected.   There have been "progressives" in the republican party (Lincoln, Teddy Roosevelt, Eisenhower) as well as Democratic party.  The Democratic party not to long ago was for the racist, at the same time Republicans didn't care about religion. In other words PARTIES CHANGE according to what is "marketable" for politicians and demographics of voters.   Then they proceed to demonize each other with fake wedge issues while the people get fooled by constant propaganda and voting based on "D" or "R" instead of on the actual issues. Politicians will take stances they don't believe in just to support their party..  Psychologically people will justify their party because of our inherent tribalism. We spend BILLIONS of dollars on nonsense spin without ever voting on the actual issues.  It is a huge source of waste and an even larger source of corruption that will continue as long as we keep supporting it.   In the age of 100% literacy, internet, etc. we don't need parties to tell us who to vote for.  It's an antiquated idea that needs to die that only serves to brainwash the masses.
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  2964. +Orwell's Hood - "Cenk is a product of trickle down economics, if it were middle out he'd never have gotten that 4 mill to start TYT as the investor wouldnt have had it to invest..." 1. TYT existed 12 years before that investment. So claiming that an investment 3 years ago somehow made TYT or Cenk, is an outright lie. Cenk ran TYT on a shoestring budget for many years and turned that into the online media empire that it is today. Cenk/TYT also raised millions online from their viewers through several indigogo campaigns to expand the studio and hire additional staff. So pretending that an investment after all of that somehow made the difference is rather absurd. 2. It was a firm ran by Buddy Roamer that made the investment. Not the guy himself. That firm could have countless investors for all we know. 3. Your logic here is that because only the very wealthy have disposable income to invest in companies therefore it is a better system? Did you ever think that if the middle class was much larger and wealthier (through better wages) then those people, which represents a much larger population, would have disposable income to not only invest in startups through online indegogo campaigns but also invest in small businesses online and in their own communities through the additional products and services that they buy? This is the problem with you people.... You take a single factoid and pretend that it represents a macro issue when it doesn't. The fact is scientifically speaking research clearly shows that societies that are more equal economically have better outcomes. The countries and societies that are less equal are called 3rd world countries. You can find examples all over the world of 3rd wold counties where most of the population is poor, but is ruled by a handful of rich people. This doesn't magically result in those rich people investing into that country.
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  2986. pbhello Well you could easily put that into the context of attraction.  If I feel attracted to a male or a female.  What traits or combination of traits makes me attracted to that gender?  Conversely if I "feel" like a woman or a male what traits or combination of traits constitutes that feeling of identity.  You could create a test to determine how strongly one identifies as that gender or how strongly one is attracted to that gender.  I'm sure many such tests do exist, but at the end of the day it's a subjective experience based on ones own feelings and reactions.  Then the question is do these feelings and reactions come from birth or are they learned?  I think the answer is that although there are a certain percentage of people who through some kind of trauma or psychological damage can be confused over their sexuality and gender for the most part people are born that way. I think humans can naturally fall between the spectrum of sexuality and gender identity. Women are especially prone to bisexual tendencies and you can also have women who are tomboys and men who are effeminate.  I think some kind of psychological trauma could push someone who naturally falls somewhere along the spectrum of sexuality and gender identity to one side or another.  Children who are born hermaphrodite can probably better adapt to whatever gender the doctor decides on if mentally they fall somewhere along the spectrum of gender identity. However those who are born with a more black and white outlook on their sexuality and gender can be effectively be born in a body that is different than their mental state of sexuality or one's perception of their own gender. Adapting to sexuality is far easier than adapting to self perception without surgery. Anyway, those are my thoughts.
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  2992. rubyred russet The first two are due to Debbie Wassermann Schultz and various democratic party state leaders around the country not directly related to Hillary at all. Like I said, I like Jill Stein, but she's an activists not a leader. She simply has a reputation for perpetually running for various offices and never governing anything. Yeah it's about corruption, but as I've said before just because a kid with a learners permit has never been sponsored doesn't automatically make him a great race car driver. Thanks to Bernie Sanders the current democratic part platform is against citizens untied and for getting money out of politics. That goes for Hillary as well. Even if Jill Stein got elected (which is impossible) she would have zero support and zero infrastructure for changing anything. Whereas Hillary has enormous support and knows how to weld power. Keep in mind that FDR was known as the establishment/moderate candidate until he came into office. The reality is there is zero chance that Jill Stein will have enough support to win anything or even come close to winning anything in less than 2 months. Sanders had millions of dollars and several debates and even he couldn't catch up in the end. Gary Johnson has much more support and even he has zero chance even if the Koch Brothers get behind him. We don't have a system of "proportional representation" like some other governments have. So a vote for a 3rd party at this stage is basically throwing away your vote. Since I'm not in a swing state I have the luxury of voting in protest, but it's really a meaningless cop out.
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  3037. MasterC2121 Well half of all first born children are born out of wedlock.  So you have a lot of girlfriends and boyfriends having to make a quick decision that effects the rest of their lives. Most people are not willing ( or able) to go to court over such a personal decision...  And if you say that a woman has to take full responsibility no matter what happens then that places an unfair burden on women when in reality both parties were responsible for the creation of that child.  We can't live in a society where men can just say "Hey, it's not my problem.  you never took me to court".  That said I do have a friend who got his girlfriend pregnant. He wanted to have as much sex as he could and wasn't thinking clearly (because that's what guys do).  She wanted to have the child no matter what and was willing to take full responsibility for raising the child by herself, because women have much stronger maternal instincts than men.  He wasn't sure he wanted a child or not, but at the same time he would feel like an asshole if he had a child somewhere that he just abandoned. Plus he did care for her.   So he ended up getting married and raising a family.  Things (sort of) worked out, but they could have easily had a falling out before or after the child was born creating a complicated situation that isn't the fault of the child... The point is that when emotions are involved (love, lust, maternal instincts, etc.) these things are never 100% clear....  One can argue that this is just nature finding the best way it can to procreate.
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  3051. Joshua Hester Instead of regurgitating campaign spin and sounding like a drone why not list Hillary Clinton's accomplishments as senator?  Other than supporting military intervention in Iraq that was based on a lie, supporting the TPP (until it became clear that it wasn't popular), supporting a violation of our rights and government overreach with the Patriot Act, and being an avid supporter of wall st and the healthcare insurance industry, exactly what has she accomplished as senator with this "courage" that you speak of? Furthermore it's clear you don't know what the definition of "partisan" is.  In order to be "partisan" you have to be part of a PARTY.  Bernie Sanders has been an INDEPENDENT since 1979.  There is no "partisanship" when for the most part you're a party of 1. The irony here is that you actually WANT a partisan.... You want someone like Hillary who is going to vote based on what is popular within their party at the time and vote for things like DOMA, NAFTA, TPP, Iraq Resolution, Patriot Act, and "evolve" on marriage equality, and skirt the issue of legalizing marijuana.  You want someone who is going to put on a nice show and say they are going to attack those "pesky republicans" meanwhile being just as hawkish on foreign relations and kissing up to the same multinational corporations and Wall St donors. On the other hand I want a LEADER.  Someone who's been ahead of the curve when it comes to equality, civil liberties, preemptive war, marijuana legalization, trade/labor protections, taxation, single payer health care, infrastructure, bank regulation, climate change, green energy, and a slew of other issues many of which he has been talking about consistently for DECADES while Hillary is just now playing catch up... The campaign spin and name recognition might work for you, but it's far too easy for me to see through that bullshit.
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  3059. Kasch 1. There is in fact news that is fake. This wasn't something invented, it was reported.. Sites like snoops, politifact, factchecker, etc were created YEARS AGO specfically to combat against fake rumors and fake reports. This isn't somehow something new. It should concern you that your president regularly lies on TV almost daily. If you're trying to normalize lies and fake information, then you're part of the problem in this country. 2. First you say the term "fake news" was invented after the election. Then you say it won Trump the election. You pretty much contradicted yourself there. 3. The MSM didn't win or lose anything. You've brainwashed yourself into thinking that reporting facts that make your candidate look bad means there is something wrong with the reporter instead of your candidate. There are many ways to fact check information. I suggest you do that instead of automatically believing that anything negative is "fake". That's how a child handles things. 4. Alex Jones has in fact reported many false stories. Most of his show is based on making false assumptions. There might be a grain of truth in what he says, but the vast majority of it is just made up. Which is the reason why I stopped listening to his show years ago. He's does nothing but make money off of fabricated fear. If you think Alex Jones is a reliable news sources then I'm sorry but you are grossly misinforming yourself and your on going ignorance is a danger to this country. PLEASE start fact checking yourself and the things that you believe. 5. I'll respond to anything and everything. First off the provision you're referring to is called the: "Countering Foreign Propaganda and Disinformation Act" It has absolutely NOTHING to do Breitbart, Alex Jones, or other "fake news" sites in the US. It is specifically to counter propaganda and disinformation coming from foreign governments. Why would anyone be against that? Why would you be against that? Do you want people to be manipulated by propaganda from Russia, Saudi Arabia, Israel, or any government? Secondly it was a bi-partisan bill that was introduced and written by a Republican Senator. You pretend as if just because Obama signed it that he personally created the provision. He didn't . The president signs law he doesn't draft it.
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  3061. Aeden Summers lol... Oh the Irony. Let's see: 1. The article claims that Charity Navigator hasn't rated the Clinton Foundation. However a quick Google search shows you that that is a complete lie. Charity Navigator gives the foundation a 94.74% rating and 4 out of 4 stars. Charity Watch, a similar charity monitoring organization, gives the Clinton Foundation an "A" rating with only a 12% overhead. 2. Meanwhile the article conveniently doesn't mention the obvious hypocrisy of Trump complaining about other foundations meanwhile his own foundation has admitted to "self dealing" and has been fined multiple times. He has used his foundations funds to buy expensive paintings of himself, sports memorabilia that he's put in his home, to pay the legal fines from his other companies, to donate to political organizations in order to bribe politicians. What do the charity monitoring organizations say about Trump University? NOTHING....Neither Charity Watch NOR Charity Navigator rate the Trump Foundation and they have a page explaining why. LOOK IT UP! lol... Trump complaining about someone else's foundation when his own is a complete SCAM and the foundation itself just admitted to this two weeks ago.... Why doesn't your article mention that? Because it's propaganda. Trump supporters seriously need to inform themselves and get their facts from sources other than Facebook and conservative trash blogs who simply quote from conservative trash tabloids like the NY Post.... This kind of blatant propaganda is a danger to the republic.
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  3365.  @cohenpeter  And what study is that? The one I refer to is entitled: "Community transmission and viral load kinetics of the SARS-CoV-2 delta". You can easily look it up. The CDC knew about this transmissibility which is why we started wearing masks again indoors with Delta regardless of vaccination status. However, politically the narrative was still being pushed that somehow the unvaccinated where responsible for transmission. Thom Hartmann, who I've listened to for like 15 years started doing segment after segment talking about how vaccinated people shouldn't want to hang around unvaccinated people in restaurants for their own "personal safety". I've seen lots of "lefties" make this argument including TYT and it was NEVER based on anything. Cenk went as far as suggesting that the unvaccinated were responsible for Colin Powel getting Covid and dying. I remember watching that segment with utter disbelief. Go watch TYT's videos on Colin Powel's death and tell me that I'm wrong. They pushed this idea that being vaccinated somehow protects the immunocompromised and the children who couldn't get vaccinated without a single study to back up those claims. Personally, I think the reason for the big spike over the summer was partially because of Delta and partially because people were constantly being told that they weren't spreading the virus by being vaccinated. They were told this by the media, CDC guidelines, and through local policies and politicians who constantly implied this idea.
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  3454. 1. And those two people are just as dumb, arguably more so. 2. Yup, idiotic tribalism comes in all shapes and sizes. Same thing in Africa , there can be many different tribes in a country, from our perspective they can be all black/brown, but as soon as there is an election a lot of times it comes down to what tribe they belong to. Being in a tribe is something innate in humans that allowed us to survive, but it makes us really stupid in the modern age. Same mentality behind gangs, many join just to survive and then it becomes their identity. So the Irish were "the other" until they were assimilated and people could hate on polish and other immigrants. Eventually people will realize they are being stupid since we're all virtually the same genetically. However if aliens came to earth it would be humans vs aliens. 3. Already black, but if I turned white for a few weeks I'm sure I would be shocked by the casual racism of other white people when there aren't any black people around. I've certainly heard the "I've got that one racist uncle" stories from my white friends. 4. And my argument is "So what"..... We have people who abuse the speed limits, drive drunk, etc. does that mean we should eliminate cars because a small percentage of people abuse traffic regulations? Pretty much every system that exists has some percentage of abuse. However liberals don't have this constant irrational fear that conservatives have, so we look at overall costs vs benefits and the people who are impacted. Do you realize that historically immigration is practically nothing today compared to what it was in the 19th and early 20th century. Between 1800 and 1900 the population of the US would grow 30% or more each decade purely from immigration. The country didn't implode because of it, instead it became a world superpower.
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  3544. ​ Mauris  Yeah I had to Google it for you because clearly you don't know what a comma means. "Nice straw man." Do I need to Google "Straw Man" for you too? Because your argument is in fact based on the idea that the sentence in the 2nd Amendment, represents two completely unrelated concepts. That is your assertion right? How else would one interpret your argument. "A well stocked library, being necessary to an educated public, the right of the people to own and read books shall not be infringed." Sorry, that is a nonsensical sentence and not a single part of it is related to what the 2nd amendment says. To "own" something is not the same as "keep". "Bear" is not the same as "to read" Not a single part of it is related no matter how you try to force it. -"Nowhere does it say it is the only way" What it DOES NOT SAY is that the people "bearing" ("carrying" or at most "brandishing") arms is related to a person's right to SHOOT people and protect themselves on an individual basis. It NEVER once says that, but that is what you people make it out to be. The ONLY context that is given for keeping and bearing arms is in the service of a state militia. The 2nd amendment was created to get slave states to ratify the constitution PERIOD. It was about state power vs federal power. It had absolutely nothing to do INDIVIDUAL protections otherwise it would have stated something like: "Self preservation and self defense are important for personal freedom, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed". But that ISN'T what it says does it? It talks about "state militias" because that is precisely what the 2nd amendment was for. The only person making shit up here is you. You're making up individual protections when there is nothing in the 2nd amendment that says ANYTHING about individual protections.
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  3676.  @davidescobar3368  Saying they got it "wrong" stretches reality a bit. Personally I don't think anyone was wrong or right about Russia gate. The only difference is what Mueller investigated vs what he didn't investigate and what people chose to focus on. Do you honestly think that Cenk thought that Trump called up Putin and said "hey, help me win this election "? I don't think so and I don't think he ever made an argument in that way. Did Jimmy or Kyle think that Trump did not have any questionable business dealings with Russia? No I don't think they would say that either. Everyone has been saying the same thing since the beginning that Trump has questionable financial ties and illegal dealings. Once side has been saying that the Russia Investigation will shed a light on Trump's financial dealings with Russian Oligarchs as a motivation for why Trump wanted to help those Russian oligarchs as president as well as why Putin helped Trump during the 2016 election. The other side has been saying focusing on Russia gate and the 2016 election and using that as an excuse for why Clinton lost is not something we should be focusing on. I don't think either argument is wrong or right, because I don't think there is anyone who thinks that Trump is not corrupted in a variety of ways. it's just a different focus on the same problem. Does anyone really not think that Trump shouldn't have been investigated at all? OF COURSE NOT. So this constant in fighting and wining about what people should be focused on has always been really silly to me. The Mueller investigation was important. ALL the other investigations that came out of he Mueller investigation is important. Congress winning back the house and starting their own investigations is ALSO important. The State investigations that have been started are also important. The constant bickering back and forth was really not that important.
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  3746. seeibe, Not saying we shouldn't talk about it, we should. However if you dive into the specifics the allegation is that Clinton was more likely to meet with foreign leaders if they gave to the Clinton Foundation. Okay, I get that maybe there might be a problem with bias or neutrality. But let's not forget that she wasn't getting money from the Clinton Foundation (It is a non profit afterall...), let's not forget that her job is to meet with foreign leaders, let's not forget that there wasn't any policy changes based on those meetings. If you say "what about the weapons deal with the Saudis", then I'll just say we've been making these weapons deals with the Saudis for decades. Trump did an even bigger weapons deal with the Saudis. People pretend as if the State Dept. can personally dictates weapons deals, they can't. They operate on behalf of the president. Meanwhile we have Trump meeting with his friends and then immediately changing trade policy to benefit the companies of those friends. Trump allowed an exception to tax law that would personally benefit his businesses. Many of his businesses are ties to Russian Oligarchs and many other conflicts of interests and by the way the GOP platform was changed by the Trump campaign to be more pro-Russia when that was never an issue for the republicans, nor was it anything that Trump ran on, the campaign just suddenly changed it. He's been having private meetings with people at Maro Largo who pay the $200,000 initiation fee (which was doubled after Trump was nominated and elected), where he's discussed classified material out in the open over dinner. His family has already made tens if not hundreds of millions of dollars on this presidency. Stories of corruption come out weekly (sometimes even daily) on this administration. If you pretend that "suspicion of corruption" is anywhere on the same level as the actual corruption in Trump's past let alone the present then we have a problem.... It's like being on a sinking ship with a gaping hole somewhere and them someone says "Well what about the squeaky door we definitely have to look at that". I never even liked Clinton, but the double standard is just insane.
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  3848.  @toddmorningstar4206  Longer than that of vaccination which has a pretty substantial drop in protection after just 2 months following being fully vaccinated... It's pretty amazing to me that people are told to question "how long does natural immunity last?" while never asking the same question of vaccination... People have been studying natural immunity to Covid for over a year and a half now, long before the vaccines came out. It has been repeatedly demonstrated that people carry lasting immunity to the virus even a year afterwards. The plasma from people that have recovered from Covid is even used to treat people who are severely hospitalized with Covid. Yet when the vaccines came out suddenly people started suddenly pretending as if natural immunity wasn't a thing... Why is that? All vaccines do is simulate an infection so that your body can create the right antibodies. Which is exactly what happens during an actual infection. People still carry memory B cells from the 1918 pandemic as well as 2003 SARS which is actually helping people recover from Covid today. And YES someone who was already infected with Covid can get what is described as "super immunity" or "hybrid immunity" if they get vaccinated on top of their natural immunity. However the baseline natural immunity has already proven to be highly effective and as least as protective as someone who is just vaccinated. Certainly more protective than someone who was vaccinated 4 months ago whose immunity is already waning.
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  3935. Your argument is basically a libertarian one, where you think "principle" is supposed to be more important than tens of thousands of people dying... The reason why we can't yell fire in a crowded theater is because causing harm to people is more important than "free speech" in certain cases. Furthermore our democracy will be lost ANYWAY if we allow fascists to take over the government through lies and misinformation. Republican politicians have accepted the idea that q-anon misinformation and undermining our democracy is how they will stay in power. So WTF will you do about it? Do you honestly think that sitting around talking about free speech principles or how mainstream media sucks is actually solving anything? The fact is your principle is not going to stop people from dying or prevent democracy from being undermined. You may not like that, but that's the reality we live in. Also the fact that we have libel laws doesn't mean that no one can be criticized, so your automatic assertion that no one would be able to criticize the Iraq invasion because of fact checkers is a nonsense slippery slope argument. Our politics should be based on factual process just like science is based on a factual process. Otherwise we don't have a real democracy all we have is propaganda warfare. The fact that we have a political process deciding life and death in our society mostly based on people's feelings is crazy to me... I don't know what the solution ultimately is, but I know sitting around talking about free speech principles IS NOT IT.
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  4059.  @SaintGerbilUK  You appear to be changing subjects because there's a lot that goes into government spending overall and immigration spending is almost nothing compared to Social Security, Medicare, & the Military Industrial Complex. If you think that immigration is responsible for a large chunk of our spending then you literally know nothing about our federal budget.... Furthermore what you fail to mention is that our GDP grew EXPONENTIALLY during that period. This was when we we created the "middle class" and yes government programs and regulations were entirely responsible for creating that middle class and significantly reducing poverty. 40.5% of all seniors were literally living in poverty before Social Security. Do you think immigration magically started in 1902? Of course it didn't. 12 million immigrants came to this country between 1870 and 1900 ALONE. Between 1790 and 1900 the US population was literally growing 30% or more each DECADE from IMMIGRANTS.... Immigration is far lower today than it EVER was back then. I'm simply amazed at how you guys are so completely clueless to the fact that this country was literally built by immigrants. Do you seriously believe that immigration by people fleeing persecution and poverty is a somehow new thing to this country? Are you seriously that clueless to our history? We can have a discussion on how various government programs and regulations have benefited people and the economy. However to pretend our current spending levels are directly related to immigration is a really dumb argument.... I suggest you learn the history of this country and why the Statue of Liberty has a plaque that reads: "Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free." because if we forget the ideals that literally built this country and replace those ideals with baseless fear and demagoguery then we are truly on our way to becoming a fallen empire.
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  4124. Scott Provan, See my response to Edward. You're making the same mistakes in logic. Just because you don't have an answer for something doesn't make something else true. Asking a question and expecting to fill it with the narrative you were given is the first sign that you're not using evidence, you're using stories.... It's the exact same logic that proponents of "ancient aliens" use. "We don't know how this ancient structure was created a long time ago, so it must have been aliens" If you don't like religion, then don't rely on same irrationality of filling something unexplained with a magical concept or a magical being... The number of sealed indictments you were told about is wrong, please look into it further. When you do you will see that most are not even for criminal cases. CEO's resign all the time. What lies are you talking about? Especially when Donald Trump lies constantly. Congressmen and senators always conveniently resign when they think they are about to lose, which is very likely to happen in during the midterms. There is nothing unusual about it. You won't see proof of a prank because you're not looking for it... There was an Italian a novel called "Q" written in the 1990's whose main character (called Q) could have easily inspired this hoax. Nothing is happening , nothing will happen, just like nothing happened with the last thousand conspiracy predictions that all turned out to be bullshit. This is just another in a long line of people fooling themselves with fairytales.
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  4263. Steve G, --"In short, it is much MORE important to be critical of the Democrats than it is to be critical of Trump." I couldn't disagree more... Yes we should be critical of the Democrats, but let's keep things into context and perspective. How many voters out there thought: "Clinton has so many problems so we might as well shake things up with Trump!"? Well elections have consequences.... We had a marine and 30-40 civilians (including children) die in a botched operation that Obama rejected that Trump green lighted as soon as he went into office. We had Trump drop the MOAB in Afghanistan and dramatically increase drone strikes killing far more civilians than we already were. We had a mob of racists dressed up like Trump kill a woman in Charlottesville. We have Trump banning refugees and Muslims who are running for their lives.. Not to mention Trump's statements on Muslims have inflamed extremism. We have Trump pulling out of the Paris climate accord. We have Trump dismantling Obamacare leaving millions uninsured or without subsidies which will lead to people dying from lack of coverage. We have the biggest mass shooting in the US in Vegas, and maybe Trump being in office or not wouldn't have made a difference but I do know Clinton was tougher and more outspoken on guns than most candidates in the Democratic party, including Sanders. We are closer to war with North Korea than we've been in decades. With North Korean missiles poised to kill millions in South Korea. This is literally life or death for thousands if not millions of people... To pretend that "everything is equal" or to even give the impression that there is more to criticize in the democratic party than there is in the Trump administration is to be willing to sacrifice people's lives for our own purity/ego.
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  4265. Then focus on the current leadership, not hasbeen politicians... Keep in mind that only some Democrats supported TPP (mostly to support Obama) while nearly all republicans supported it. The main reason it was going to pass was because of the Republican support. However you wouldn't know that because of how we talked about it, we focused so much on Clinton that the narrative got completely lost. Meanwhile Trump has been pushing the same provisions that were in TPP all this time (they're just not calling it TPP), but instead of fighting him on that we're ignoring it and STILL talking about how Clinton supported TPP two years ago. "Do you want me to criticize Tom Perez instead of the Clintons or Obama?" Absolutely.... I honestly don't care how he got there. I care what he's doing now and whether we should kick him out or not. Are you going to criticize John Roberts or Clarence Thomas or does it really make sense to just focus on the presidents who appointed those judges? Focusing on people out of office is a complete waste of time and bitching about Clinton is not going to magically remove Tom Perez. Look, there are two conversations here: 1. How do we fix the DNC. 2. How do we win the next election with the right ideas and people. Conversation #1 Of course needs to talk about the 2016 nomination. The DNC is not going to get fixed without doing a post mortem on the mistakes that were made in the last national election. Conversation #2 If all your average voter hears is how bad Clinton was, then you are all but guaranteeing another victory for Trump.... The fact is the GOP is absolutely more corrupt. The RNC is absolutely more corrupt. We didn't get those leaked emails from the RNC even though we know they were trying to change their rules in order to get rid of Trump and nominate more established candidates. We also know that the RNC completely caters to their corporate donors. However it wasn't big news.... The democratic party may have a lot of corruption, but the fact is they are less corrupt and have better substantive ideas than the republican party and if we make everything about Clinton instead of reporting the reality of the situation, we're only shooting ourselves in the foot.
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  4276.  @rgwf1908  Sorry, but you're not really saying anything or making an actual argument. You seem brainwashed by some sort of ideology. On your one comment on the pandemic. A lot of countries got hit by the pandemic, but countries like Taiwan, South Korea, Australia, New Zealand. Japan, etc. took it seriously in the beginning and we didn't... The death tolls in those countries are a tiny fraction of what we have here (even when you account for population) and their economies are doing fine. In fact life has been more or less normal for them for months The fact that the richest country in the world could not do anything is an absolute joke. It's a failure of leadership. South Korea was testing their entire population in February while Trump was golfing holding campaign rallies and pretending that concerns over the virus was a "hoax" and pretending that the virus was going to "disappear". He then went on to downplay the virus and encouraged people to not wear masks. Never mind all the numerous failures of not replenishing our national supply of PPE, not making testing available, and putting his son in law in charge of handling the pandemic. There was absolutely no national plan to speak of for months and this country paid the price. Trump has fooled millions of working class people so I wouldn't assume anyone who supports Trump is rich, just people caught up in a cult of personality and fooled by a pathological liar. Sorry, but you still haven't listed any actual accomplishments....
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  4419. orlock20 --"In 2014, Business Insider had a poll and the liberal viewers picked the liberal stations I picked as their news source." So what?  If lots of people who call themselves "liberal" by a certain car does that make it a "liberal car"? Being informed doesn't somehow make the information coming from the station bias in any way. --"In 2013, the president of Disney had to defend itself from investors accusing ABC news of liberal bias." The president of the US had to defend himself from people and politicians accusing him of being born in Kenya and being a Muslim.  Does an accusation make it true?  No it does not. --"ABC reporters include Peter Jennings, Ted Koppel and George Stephanopoulos." Not sure what this is supposed to mean.  ABC also included John Stossel who is a self proclaimed libertarian pundit.  Who after being on ABC for 30 years and even went to Fox News a few years ago as a pundit.   -- "For this election cycle, NBC hired TargetSmart for polling data even though it was founded by two people that worked for the Democratic Party.  The Democratic Party also uses TargetSmart for its data." You can really tell how asinine the conversation is when "data" is now somehow supposed to be bias... Magazines, News outlets, blogs, and  political organisations whether they are democratic or republican use polling data from Gallop, Pew Research, Rasmussen, and a variety of sources.  They often use the same data....  It's data...  not punditry. None of these "guilt by association" arguments you're trying to make point to any real bias from these news outlets.   I can easily show how all of these media outlets completely ignored Bernie Sanders campaign until now meanwhile they followed GOP debates and Trumps every move.  I can even show where they took stories directly from Fox News. However all these claims about "liberal bias" from conservative politicians is just a way of making sure that the public ignores facts in favor of bullshit....  There is no bias in the mainstream media except when it comes to the establishment and corporate interests which is why you NEVER hear talk about TPP, income inequality, or campaign finance reform which is blasted on all the progressive media. You will hardly ever hear these topics on MSNBC either.
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  4428. The Last And First Time Not sure why you're quoting things that I never said, that's what makes all of your comments really confusing.... Here I'll summarize: The fact is voting for Jill Stein does make it easier for Trump to win. That's just a fact. We don't have "proportional representation" in this country like they have in other countries. So it makes supporting a third party mathematically impossible. So it is an indisputable fact that voting for someone who is currently 2% in the polls is throwing your vote away and making it more likely that Trump could win. You cannot turn 2% into 50% in less than a month, sorry. No one cared about Nader or his ideas after the 2000 election. Whereas Bernie still has a following and influence in the party and he's putting himself in a place to push Hillary more to his position and he already has in a lot of ways. Also Jill Stein is an activist not a leader. I may agree with a lot of her points, but she doesn't have the first clue about getting anything she wants through congress and she has ZERO support in congress. If you don't have a president who knows how to wield power like FDR or LBJ then nothing will get done, ever. You can't just vote for the next "messiah" and think that they will magically change the world. That's not how it works, that is being naive. Agreeing with someone is one thing, but make no mistake if you vote in a way that insures total power for the other side then you are in fact voting against the polices that you want implemented. I didn't think a president could cause that much harm until I lived through the Bush years and Trump is far worse than that.
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  4599. ***** So you're comment proves two things. 1. Christians, like all religious people, can use religion to discriminate as well as help. Such as Christians who used the bible to pretend that black people had the "mark of cain" and since there were slaves in the bible then owning slaves are okay. Versus the Christians who were abolitionists. 2. Location, socioeconomics, and education are more important than religion. So you can have a modern, educated, and rich country like the US rely more on democracy and openess. Whereas you can have the poorer and less educated countries in Africa rely more on superstition and fear. I brought up Iran as an extreme example, but you must know that life in Iran was very different before the revolution in 1979 and the CIA's meddling in Iran's politics.... http://all-that-is-interesting.com/shah-iran But obviously I could have brought up many other countries like Tunisia, Turkey, Indonesia, Morroco, Bahrain, Qatar, etc. There are many other predominantly Muslim countries in the world besides the ones that you hear about in the news every day that are in constant conflict. Yeah all christian majority countries don't all have draconian laws because they are mostly all rich stable countries... duh... When Ireland was in constant conflict you had extreme christian groups. So.... why would it be surprising to see extremist coming out of the countries in the middle-east that have been in constant war and conflict (Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria, etc.)? In the US after the civil war we had the KKK which was a christian group who killed thousands of blacks and jews. If you look at it as a socio-economic problem it makes sense. If you look at it as a defect with particular religion then suddenly you have to cherry pick and make logical leaps in order to preserve your bigotry of one religion.
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  4605. Leopold Crayons Again, the whole "scandal" was her IT team setting up a private server so that she could use her blackberry in meetings. Again. Hillary Clinton is not a cyber security export. All servers are attacked. Every PC attached to the internet is attacked, so what? Again, not a single thing was ever leaked from her server.... You don't go to jail for simply having "bad IT". Anyone who thinks that you should has been completely sucked in by mass hysteria over another fake scandal. Or as you perfectly demonstrated, people use the scandal as a basis to make up bullshit conspiracies about what she could be doing. Which have absolutely not facts or substance behind it. Just shit people feel like making up. What's hilarious is that the same people who think that Hillary should go to jail for having a server that wasn't as secure as it should be. Are the same people who think that Wikileaks is the greatest thing in the world for leaking classified information. Hypocrisy at it's finest! And yes at one time Wikileaks was pretty great since it was whistle-blowing actual atrocities, now they are leaking things to embarrass people and to manipulate not only US elections but elections in other countries. No one seems to care that a bunch of foreign nationals have this power and are using it for personal grudges. Instead the press blindly reports on everything because they're like "oh goody, we've got secrets! Who needs journalism when we can get easy ratings!" What Comey said is that there was nothing to prosecute, period. Everything else was needless embellishment for political purposes. There is a difference between embezzling money from a company and making a mistake which loses that company money. In this case it's like prosecuting a person that did something which possibly could have lost the company money, but didn't.
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  4606. Leopold Crayons She was head of the state department.... So who was she supposed to be getting approval from? Again, never said that she shouldn't have used the server. People also shouldn't write down their passwords, but they do. I'm just saying that there is absolutely no reason for her to be prosecuted let alone be in prison for it. You've been brainwashed into believing that being less than careful with confidential information somehow warrants being put in prison. If that were a crime then half the people in government would be guilty. We've had people purposely leak classified information and not face any consequences. Yet somehow when it comes to Hillary she should be put in jail because some IT staff set up an insecure server. Sorry, but the whole idea is absurd. Can you name anyone who was ever put in jail for such a thing in the US? Of course you can't, I see how lazy your thinking is. You resort to mindless insults to cover your tracks. No I've been a Bernie Sanders supporter for YEARS long before people even knew who the fuck the guy was. I've given well over a thousand to Sander's campaign. Ron Paul was the first candidate I ever gave money to, mainly because I wanted someone more principled with an anti-war stance on the Republican side. So I've never cared about parties, only policies. So many people jumped on Bernie's bandwagon because he has had superior judgement for DECADES, yet as soon as he says that the best way forward is to support Clinton then everyone says "fuck your judgement". People are so caught up with mindless hysteria over fake scandals and focusing on the 2 or 3 things that she's different from Bernie on. That they completely ignore dozens of other policies. I was against the Iraq war when most of this country was for it. I was for Sanders and single payer, drug legalization, campaign finance reform, free college, etc. before most even heard of those issues.
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  4621. diapersFTMFW11  Trump wasn't winning from the start.  When he started he begged just like everyone else to get rich donors to fund his campaign.  The problem is that they said "no" because they were already backing people like Jeb Bush, Rubio, Walker, etc. http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2015/11/trump-wooed-GOP-mega-donors.html http://www.politico.com/story/2015/11/donald-trump-sheldon-adelson-paul-singer-koch-brothers-215540 Again, loaning yourself money with the idea that you can pay back that money from your campaign (donations) later isn't "self funding".  If he was really self funding he would just pay for it, not give himself loans.  Do you seriously think someone would incur interest and fees on a loan if they were planning on paying themselves back with their own money?  Of course not. Trump is corrupt because he's running for president for his own ego.  He openly lies, changes position, engages in ad hominems, racism, and xenophobia to reach that end.  He makes money off his name and there's no better name recognition than running for president or even being president.  The reason why he's using loans instead of his own money is because he looks at it like a money making venture.  Trump has spent years influencing politicians to gain more influence and money.  During all that time he has never given a shit about politics, war, or anyone else in all that time. He has barely given any of his money to charity.  And what he calls "charity" are favors he's done to get more influence over politicians.  Yet magically he found religion in 2015? lol...  It's a show, nothing more.  If he actually cared about money in politics HE WOULD BE OPENLY SUPPORTING LEGISLATION AND THE AMENDMENT TO GET MONEY OUT OF POLITICS.  But he doesn't, he just makes a show out of it to get himself attention while not proposing a thing to actually change the system.   Meanwhile Bernie has been fighting against war, oppression, and for the middle class for his entire life.  Comparing Trump to Bernie is like comparing a leech to a saint. It should be obvious at this point that I support Bernie Sanders.  He's the only one who has been railing against money in politics for decades and even drafted legislation to change the system.  He's the only one who's honest because he's said the same thing today as he has for the past 30 years and doesn't change his positions conveniently (like pretty much all politicians) just to get elected or win a primary. To your next question...  No, I won't be supporting Hillary Clinton and I doubt that will change unless she can prove to me that she will propose real policies to change the system instead of just playing lip service by riding on Bernie's coattails....
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  4644. Disentropic You expect me to remember every comment I made several days ago and know exactly which one you're replying to? Here's an idea, try reply to the actual comment you're responding to? Now to YOUR comments.... "- You believe Hillary is having the election slanted against her unfairly. (yes or no?)" Primary? yes. General election? no "- You chastise Kyle and the general press for reporting the news, because he's not properly taking into account the agenda you perceive to be underlying the news. (yes or no?)" Yes and no it is not an "agenda that I perceive". Assange clearly admitted to having this information months ago and wanting to use it to bring down Hillary. He waited until October to release it so that it would have the most impact. Or are you unaware of what an "October Surprise is? They are not releasing information as they get it, they are using it for purpose. That isn't right. Then you have to question what else are they withholding? As far as the source of the leaks. Whether it's Russia or not. Hacking and releasing the emails from one party and one campaign. Obviously has the intention of manipulating an election. If we got emails from the RNC and Trump Campaign as well you could make an argument about some group out there wanting transparency for all or something, but the fact that it was specifically targeted towards one party and one campaign for a specific reason. It isn't altruism. The media is of course going to ignore the emails where Hillary is talking to her staff about trying to help people in need. Instead they will focus on everything that might be scandalous. "- Your concern with reporting this news is that it might unreasonably affect the election. (yes or no?)" No, my concern is that the media is lazy... They will chase after anything sensational without actually digging into a story deeper. If you want to manipulate the media all you have to do is something sensational or release "secrets" and they will go after it like a dog noticing a squirrel. Trump did this constantly In the run up to the Iraq war. The media did very little to question the narrative or the motivations behind it, all they did was follow the headlines and it's the same shit here. Kyle is guilty for having such bias against Clinton that he can't see straight. Anyone who talks about "hating" a candidate (not just certain policies or their politics, but the person) is no longer being rational or reporting things reasonably. This election has become about people instead of policies and the media is completely to blame for that. Kyle is also to blame because he fell into the same trap
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  4645. Disentropic Sorry, not swallowing your bullshit here. Your comment was: "So your reason for supporting Hillary is to fight election manipulation?" Nothing in my original post had ANYTHING to do with Hillary Clinton or why anyone should or shouldn't vote for her. It's about as dumb as saying "So the reason for supporting Hillary is because you think Burger King has good cheeseburgers?" One thing has absolutely nothing to do with the other. Pretending that my comment was related to something else when it clearly wasn't is what made you sound delusional. It's Alex Jones like bullshit conspiracy nonsense. What I meant was that during the primary, there was clear bias in favor of Hillary from the DNC and various officials in New York. However I don't see that favoritism or election rigging in the general election. Sorry, but misreading one part of your question and then clarifying my answer, is not same as "making shit up" like you did in your original reply. "Conjecture, and I disagree. " When you accuse someone of conjecture and then proceed with a long diatribe of your own conjecture, it makes your arguments less credible. Have you heard of the term "projection"? because this is a classic example. The paragraph you just wrote after that statement is full of opinion, unsubstantiated claims, and generalizations. Kyle clearly has a chip on his shoulder from the primary against Hillary. He's been pushing the narrative that he's not going to "fall in line" and support the Democratic nominee. So he goes out of his way to pretend that he's fair and balanced when it comes corruption. If he ever says anything favorable about Hillary he says something bad about her so that he doesn't lose his street cred in the "hate Hillary crowd". Anytime he talks about Trump's corruption he always has to bring up "scandals" with Hillary as if they are apples to apples. Some are, but most of them are not. However he rarely if ever brings up any Trump's corruption or shady deals when talking about Hillary scandals or leaks. The rare occasion that he says something defending the baseless accusation against Hillary his dislikes go way up, because no one wants to hear that here. They all want to stay in their echo chamber. The reality is there are far more horrendous stories of corruption shady dealings with Trump than there are with the "suggestions of corruption" around Clinton. However you wouldn't know it by watching this channel. He wants to call everything "even" and pretend that he's being even handed when he's not. Sure he'll say that he supports Hillary over Trump, but if you look at his videos and the content on either candidate he's obviously appealing to a certain crowd who wants to remain perpetually angry at Hillary after the primary.
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  4662. War450 Wow you are seriously oblivious to facts aren't you? 1. What federal laws did Hillary break exactly? Trump's campaign has actually been caught several times soliciting foreign donations (UK, Germany, Russia, etc) to his campaign. Which is in fact against federal law. He is currently "getting away with it" 2. Trump has been caught in more lies than any politician in history. Every political fact checking site (politifact, factcheck,org, etc.) has come to the same conclusion. But clearly you don't care about facts, because you want to live in your delusion and irrational hatred over Hillary. 3. Who said anything about starting a war with Russia? Meanwhile you have Trump who wants to bring back torture, target civilians with drone strikes, thinks about using nuclear weapons, wants to deport millions of people, ban an entire religion from entering the country. Not to mention he suggested the same no-fly zone over Syria that Clinton did. 4. The Koch brothers simply said that they are less afraid of Hillary than Trump because trump doesn't care about defaulting on our debt which is a huge thing for the global fucking economy.... You seriously have no idea WTF you're talking about. if you're going to base you ideas on a one sided argument and not even look into the history of fraud, abuse, and illegal activity from Trump then you really have no business voting. Especially when all you want to do is do a knee jerk reaction and vote "for the other guy" without doing a shred of actual research on them. Trump Foundation is even currently under investigation and was fined by the IRS for paying off an Attorney General to not do an investigation into Trump University.
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  4663. War450 Have no idea what "paycheck" you're referring to, but nothing surprises me from you guys that live in "conspiracy land" 1. Wrong. The FBI director made it clear that there was not enough evidence of wrong doing to bring a case. 2. Trump has lied about every position he has ever had, yet somehow you believe he's telling the truth now and Hillary isn't. Sorry but that is just as naive. Trump has absolutely no reason not to flip on TPP. He makes money from globalization and outsourcing. Not to mention deals with the Saudis, UAE, and Russian oligarchs, etc. He will do anything he can to open more business relationships with foreign companies. If it means pushing through the TPP he will certainly do that. 3. Trump also called for a no-fly zone in Syria genius. He also called for ground 30,000 troops. So I guess by your logic he also wants war with Russia too right? 4. He never used the words "default", but he pretended that one could renegotiate the national debt as if it's a real-estate deal. Which most countries would treat as a default. The very idea is enough to tank global markets and It's about the dumbest thing that you could say to threaten the entire US financial standing with the rest of the world. 5. No Trump is the worse candidate and the polls in the US, Mexico, and Europe show that. Sure I suppose everyone who disagrees with you is a "paid shill". That doesn't make you sound like a child or anything. 6. No the difference is that you've clearly spent a lot of time on the Hillary Hate blogs, but you haven't done dick to research Trump. You just think he's better because he's "the new guy" and he said a couple good zingers. Never-mind all the shitty policy positions of Trump (fascism and discriminatory policies, wanting to prosecute journalists, creating a bigger torture program, targeting civilians with drone strikes, a tax plan that's a give away to the rich, prosecuting women for abortions, etc.) not to mention his shady past with corruption, buying off politicians, rape, sexual harassment, dealings with the mafia, fraud, etc. You think Trump is the better candidate based on nothing more than ignorance. I supported Bernie Sanders before most of the county knew who he was. I'm well aware of Hillary's faults. However compared to Trump she is a godsend.
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  4664. War450 And Trump pays people to protest and he's also paid actors to show up at his rallies. Wow, are you really oblivious to this? Furthermore the Kremlin has paid online trolls to support Trump: http://www.businessinsider.com/russia-internet-trolls-and-donald-trump-2016-7 And we all know (or maybe you don't) that Trump's former campaign manager was in a big scandal because it came out that he used to do propaganda for the Russian government and was still on their payroll. 1. No, I listened to what the FBI director actually said. You listened to what you wanted to hear. When your argument is "read between the lines" then you have no argument. 2. You seriously have to be brain-dead to not know how how often Trump lies. http://www.politifact.com/personalities/donald-trump/ http://www.factcheck.org/person/donald-trump/ The guy is still a birther for Christ's sake. All you have to do is google "Trump Flip Flops" because honestly he has lied too many times and flipped on too many issues to list them here. If you think he is "consistent" then you are either brain-dead, brain washed, or you yourself are a paid shill. 3. He has in fact called for a no-fly zone in Syria. The same no-fly zone you accuse Hillary of "wanting to start a war with Russia". You are being a complete hypocrite here. 4. He did imply we could "renegotiate our debt" which is what freaked people out all over the world. But hey I guess you don't care about a president that says things which ruin our standing with the rest of the world. 5. Uh no, polls have had Hillary consistently up for several months now. And internationally it's not even close.... Trump is a joke to the rest of the world, in every poll conducted outside the US he has record unfavorables compared to Hillary. We are a joke for even considering a guy like that for president, but somehow people like you get brainwashed by bullshit. 6. Again, Trump also supported the Iraq war initially. He supported the Lybia intervention. He wants to escalate the drone program and specifically target civilians Somehow you think that just because he hasn't been in office his policy positions don't mean anything. It's rather frightening that you're willing to elect a guy who wants to escalate everything you don't like, just because he hasn't been in office. Your whole irrational argument is based on "well I really don't think he will do those things" You're jumping on a bandwagon without even paying attention to a person's platform or policy positions, just because he's the "new guy". Sorry but that is just dumb. You don't trade something bad for something worse. I could understand supporting Jill Stein or Gary Johnson if you're truly anti-war or ant-aggression, but to blindly support a guy who says he wants to escalate everything you don't like (including torture), not to mention giving more leeway to the police to do unlawful searches, seizures, arrests, and shooting of unarmed suspects. It means that you're a lemming who cares more about personality than policy and it's truly sad.
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  4665. War450 Trump has in fact paid people to act as supporters at his rallies and lies about how many people are there. This is well documented. You require far less evidence to indict Hillary on shady dealings. Which supports the fact that you're nothing more than a hypocrite. 1. Again. He has repeated several times that there is nothing criminal and nothing warranting an indictment and that no prosecutor would ever pursue a case with such little evidence. Like I said, you've basically proven yourself a hypocrite here. 2. "I don't care 'how often' he lies" That's clear, because you're a hypocrite. You claim that Hillary is the "biggest liar" with zero evidence. Then when you're presented with actual evidence of the lies compiled by two difference fact checking sites you ignore it. 3. Trump has said numerous times that he wants a "safe zone" in Syria. The only way to insure a "safe zone" is to create a "no-fly zone". You cannot just wish for a safe zone, you have to actually have a strategy to make sure that planes or drones are not bombing that area. Hillary is calling for a no fly zone in order to create a safe zone for refugees. Trump is calling for the same thing. Either he realizes that this means a no-fly zone or he's just fucking ignorant to it. Clinton has said that we already work with the Russians to create a "de-conflicted airspaces". So obviously the plan is to work with Russia to agree on an airspace for the no-fly zone. Not simply start randomly shooting down planes. So to me it seems like she knows what the fuck she's doing and Trump is just talking out of his ass. 4. No we can't do it. Period. Stop defending nonsense statements. 5. No they are not "effectively tied". That is "effectively lying". Getting a bump after some bad press is normal. It doesn't change the fact that she is up and has been up for months. The international polls are not even close. Trump is at 9% with european countries with 85% saying they have no confidence in Trump. He is a disaster for this country's reputation. First Bush, now Trump. The stupid never ends. 6. This is the fundamental reason why people like you are easily fooled by bullshit artists. When asked he said he supported the way before the war started. However he didn't speak out against the war until 2004 when it obvious going horribly. People like me, Sanders, Ron Paul, etc. were speaking out against it FROM THE BEGINNING... Not just during the 2004 election when it was obvious that the war was going wrong. However you are fooled by the bullshit of someone jumping on the bandwagon when it became obvious that it was a mistake and then taking credit for it. This is why Trump has flipped on nearly every position he has. 7. There is far more to the democratic and republican platform than a "no-fly zone" but that seems to be all you can come up with. What is Trump's stance on Citizens United and getting money out of politics? Healthcare? Taxes/Economic Inequality? Abortion? Or how about Climate Change? Which is currently the biggest threat to humanity at the moment. Voting based on the latest scandal instead of the totality of a platform is both fickle and foolish. If you're not actually voting for ideas then you're not really voting for anything.
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  4667. zeroceiling From politifact: --- "First, the State Department did approve of Russia’s gradual takeover of a company with significant U.S. uranium assets, but it didn’t act unilaterally. State was one of nine government agencies, not to mention independent federal and state nuclear regulators, that had to sign off on the deal. Second, while nine people related to the company did donate to the Clinton Foundation, it’s unclear whether they were still involved in the company by the time of the Russian deal and stood to benefit from it. Third, most of their Clinton Foundation donations occurred before and during Hillary Clinton’s 2008 presidential bid, before she could have known she would become secretary of state. The bottom line: While the connections between the Clinton Foundation and the Russian deal may appear fishy, there’s simply no proof of any quid pro quo." --- When you state positive things happening to people loosely related to the Clinton. it sounds like quid pro quo. However if you have ALL then a completely different picture is painted. The State department doesn't act unilaterally on hardly ANYTHING it does. It's always based on US policy along with working with many US agencies not to mention presidential approval. There seems to be a disturbing trend on the left especially on Secular Talk to adopt the "Alex Jones" ideology of identifying everything as a conspiracy when it related to Hillary Clinton. I don't know why, but it's kind of crazy. You guys seriously need to check yourselves on all the blind Hillary Hate and get back to facts and reason.
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  4696. ***** They acknowledged it briefly and it was in the context of pretending that young people didn't vote for her because she has been in the spotlight for so long.... Which is kind of ridiculous. I'm black too, and the fact is Bill Clinton was the first president in decades to play lip service directly to the black community, This was after 16 years of demonization by Reagan, Bush, etc. Therefore the name Clinton instantly became identifiable and relatable in black households all across the country.... It was the same for the name "Kennedy" at one point. I have black friends who were militant Bernie supporters but their parents went for Clinton because they just didn't "know" Bernie. My ex supported Clinton for the same reason really. Also in her case, as is the case with a lot of people, they don't dive into the policies enough to see that much of a difference between Hillary and Bernie. So in their minds they think "Well they both seem progressive enough so why not just go with the person I know who would be the first woman president!" It also helps that she ran in 2008 so she is fresh in everyone's minds (just like Mitt Romney). In any case, like I said for them to pretend that people voted purely on issues is admitting that they don't know the first thing about politics. Unfortunately Bernie doesn't have another election in him. It will be 8 years before another democrat would replace Clinton. They aren't going to primary her because it would be political suicide. Also by then the GOP would have figured out something to run on. So unless Hillary decides to turn into FDR (which is entirely possible given enough pressure from grassroots movements) It may be 12 years before we have a true Bernie like presidency.
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  4736. Who is the bigger clown for not knowing that It's public knowledge that Trump has connections and financial ties to Russia & Saudi Arabia. lol... Trump registered 8 COMPANIES in Saudi Arabia during his presidential campaign. Cause apparently Google is too hard for you. Which country is conveniently left out of his ridiculous Muslim ban? Oh that's right, Saudi Arabia. Gee it's a good thing that 15 of the 19 hijackers on 9/11 weren't from Saudi Arabia, oh wait.... Trump Jr on Trump's businesses in 2008 "And in terms of high-end product influx into the US, Russians make up a pretty disproportionate cross-section of a lot of our assets; say in Dubai, and certainly with our project in SoHo and anywhere in New York. We see a lot of money pouring in from Russia. There's indeed a lot of money coming for new-builds and resale reflecting a trend in the Russian economy and, of course, the weak dollar versus the ruble," Before that trump partnered with the Bayrock Group which was financed by Russian money and ran by a guy with ties to the Russian Mafia. I'm sure all of this is cleared up in Trump's tax returns. It's a good thing he was upfront and honest about releasing them Oh wait.... lol. You guys are fucking idiots who only care about mindlessly cheer-leading for your team even if your country is being robbed. What happened to all the outrage over the deficit even though Trump's budget explodes the deficit? Oh it suddenly doesn't count now because it's not a democrat. Mindless trolls.
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  4737. LOL Look how easily you display your hypocrisy. You said: " Clintons have links to Russians, Saudi Arabia..... " Now that we're talking about Trump it becomes: "Saudi Arabia is an ally of our country" Suddenly Podesta having Russia investors once is a problem (because why? Who the fuck knows!), but when the PRESIDENT has had HUGE investments from Russian Oligarchs, his campaign was managed by a Russian agent, and suddenly he's created a bunch of policies favorable to Russia (rolling back sanctions over Crimea, hiring rex tillerson as secretary of state to push through a 500 billion dollar oil deal in Russia, etc.). You don't hear a peep. You people seriously make me sick. You pretend to care about policy, but all you care about is rooting for your fucking team. I really don't give a shit whether Saudi Arabia is an "ally" or not. They are a bad actor in the middle east spreading Wahhabism and supporting terrorism and oppression in their own country. So I didn't like it when we Obama made weapons deals with them or when Bush secretly rushed their royalty out of the country after 911 and walked with them holding hands. "Our country is in horrible shape thanks to Obama." Based on what exactly? Cutting the unemployment rate in half? Giving 20 million people more health care? Saving the lives of thousands of people who otherwise would have died because they didn't have coverage or because of the new hospital patient regulations that have saved at least 50,000 lives since the ACA was enacted? WTF is your metric exactly for the country being worse (since the 2008 recession) besides "your feelings" or "your team" not being in charge?
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  4772. -"How can you possibly claim to represent your people if you're taking money from corporations who pay you to do the opposite." Personally I would have no issues with someone who took money indirectly from corporations (which is how it happens unless you're talking about super PACs or 501c4s) if one of their prime objectives as president was campaign finance reform. Keep in mind there is also an argument for "universal disarmament" when it comes to running a campaign, when one candidate will end up with less resources for ads and organizing than the other. It may not matter as much for the presidency since there is so much free advertising from debates, press, etc. However it sure as hell matterswhen it comes to state and local races. Keep in mind that you're running against Trump who's businesses get's billions from corporations. -"I, personally, am perfectly fine accepting that some people think voting for Clinton was necessary and accepting that there is valid reasoning for not trusting her too. Maybe two different ideas can both be valid?" The problem is that one idea objectively leads to Trump winning again when one party is in lockstep on racism, xenophobia, fascism, hatred against "socialism" while the other party is fractured.... If one side is bickering on which candidate is "pure enough" and then decides to take their toys and go home when election time, OF COURSE you're going to end up with Trump again. -"Russia story is a complete digression from the anti-establishment people's movement" No, it's only a digression if you make it out to be. If your mentality is that the Russia thing is nonsense simply because Clinton brought it up, then you're just not being rational. The establishment can be ruining our democracy and Russia (essentially the Russian Establishment/oligarchy) can be manipulating our elections to their benefit. Guess what? BOTH THINGS CAN BE TRUE! Ignoring a truth simply because it doesn't fit your narrative is not helping. At the very least one party/candidate was hacked while the other party was not, specifically to manipulate the election. That should concern ANYONE. Pretending as if hacked emails show up on your door step by magic with absolutely no agenda is dangerously naive. Once again, bitching about the Deep State, Clinton, the Primaries, "the establishment", is not going to win dick in 2020. I'm more than willing to join a movement on single payer, money out of politics, free college, reducing the pentagon's budget, raising taxes on the Wall St speculation and the wealthy to pay for things in the US, etc. However if you expect me to join "sit around and bitch about the establishment 2020" then sorry I'm not on board.
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  4794. --"Most policies are based on values, not science and data." Which is precisely the reason why those policies don't work. Which is why you have more teenage pregnancy in abstinence only areas or more crime in a country with that has more of a percentage of it's population in jail, or no change in in drug use despite a "war on drugs". Creating policy based on your gut simply creates bad policies. --"It is impossible to quantify such things" It's entirely possible to quantify outcomes. However if your focus is on an ideology, religion, or some other dogma rather than a poverty index, homelessness, economic mobility, or income per capita. Then obviously you would be looking for a feeling rather than a result. --"While I fully believe that data and scientific approach is necessary, it is not the only information that should be utilized. The human element has to be taken into consideration." The "human element" is simply deciding what is important in society. For example thinking tax breaks for wealthy people is more important than lifting people out of poverty or that war is more important than education, infrastructure, or health care. After that is decided, there is absolutely no reason that science/data shouldn't take over. The only reason why science isn't a bigger part of policy making is because it's far easier for politicians to win elections based on feelings rather than facts. Then they can keep benefiting themselves and their donors by making sure that reality is kept fuzzy.
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  4795. --" Policies like gay marriage, women's suffrage and anti-segregation laws? None of those were based on science." Yes, my point exactly. People (white christian men) created policies based on their own prejudices and biases, so eventually those policies fell apart. --"Unless you are basing the results off of a repeatable, observable, controllable process, you can't determine causality for the outcome" You don't need controllable processes when you have enough data. Thousands of studies are based on statistical analysis where you simply control for extraneous variables to understand outcomes. This is the whole reason why "Climate Science" exists.... We know there is global warming not because we can somehow change the weather, the sun, or the planet's atmosphere and run experiments. We know that man generated CO2 effects the climate because we have enough data to control for many different variables and figure out what the outcome will be based on the existing data. Same reason why the FBI knows that poverty and population density are the biggest factors to violence and crime which can be seen all over the world. --"However, "how" is also just as important to us. We are not a civilization of "we don't care how it get done just so long as it's done" If that were so we would have nuked the Middle East by now." Agreed. Though the constant fear that people have of drones flying over their heads, where children spend their lives being afraid to play outside when the skies are sunny and clear, is not much better. --" I put the blame of that squarely on the people of this nation for choosing to not take an interest in how their country/state/cities are ran and by whom" It's a little of both. There are certainly politicians, people in media, etc. who benefit greatly by keeping people ignorant to what is going on and purposely making it more difficult for people to vote. If voting was mandatory, a national holiday and if all states encouraged absentee ballots, then I think people would be much more interested and we would have better results.
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  4889. Yellyman Gonzales Yeah the republicans are corrupt, but the whole point of the movement is to NOT have a corrupt candidates.  Do you think a Superhero is going to turn to the Superhero standing next to him and say:  "Well the villains are also stealing from jewelry stores, why are you making a big deal about me stealing every once in awhile?".  Do you think people in the anti-slavery movement would say "You act like no one has never beaten and lynched a black man before.  Why are you singling me out for doing it?".  BECAUSE THE WHOLE POINT IS TO GET RID OF THE CORRUPTION.  I'm sorry if you think that it's okay as long as everyone does it, but for many people it is the #1 problem in our political system today.  I can't trust that a corrupted politician is going to do what she/he says they are going to do anymore than I can trust a corrupted transmission to get my car to work safely every day.  Shutting up about the corruption and putting your support behind a candidate, just because you're afraid of supreme court justices is not going to solve the problem.  The whole reason why we're in this position in the first place and that we have the court that we have is BECAUSE of the corruption.  It's almost a guarantee that Hillary would nominate a slightly less right wing judge, just like Obama nominate a slightly less right wing judge,  You're never going to win against evil by voting for lesser evil.  Hillary refuses to even try to win over Bernie Sanders.   So blame Hillary for not trying, not sanders supporters who refuse to vote against their conscious and fall in line with corrupt politics as usual.
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  4946. Joe Crockenberg Again, we also bred vegetables, grains, and fruits into existence. What's your point? All the plants you eat are also the result of genetic manipulation. Again, my entire point is to get away from factory farms and monocrops. Calories are food energy which is the bases for any metabolic activity in the body. B12, CLA, and the other nutrients I mentioned are important. And come in higher concentrations in pasture raised animals. Sigh... The reason you don't know these things is because you don't know about your food. Did even you know that Ducks, Chickens, and other birds eat bugs? They pick the bugs off plants and keep certain populations in check. Their droppings also keep grasses and pastures fertilized. . Cows belong in pastures their primary diet is grass. NOT corn. They also eat various shrub and leaves. In other words they're designed to eat all the plants that WE DON'T EAT.... They are not designed to eat corn and all the other garbage we give them in feedlots. Again, agriculture today is not sustainable..period . Do you not get that? It is not "green", it is only "greener" than animals because of our factory farming methods. However if you take away all the animals YOU STILL HAVE A HUGE PROBLEM.... People like you don't seem to get that because you're so caught up in your ideology that you cannot see straight. The entire farming production cycle is completely dependent on oil from the fertilizers, pesticides, machinery, transportation, etc. However If we move to sustainable farming methods like permaculture, aquaculture, and sustainable farming methods that uses the right symbiotic relationship between plants and animals as they have lived for BILLIONS of years then we can COMPLETELY ELIMINATE the carbon footprint of food production and rely on NO OIL.
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  4971. Sorry Kyle, but you need to stop pretending as if events don't effect elections. It was 10 days before the election when Comey made his statement. It was TWO MONTHS when Christie hugged Obama. One was a fake scandal that turned up NOTHING, the other was the president doing his fucking job after a crises. Do I think it still helped Obama to look presidential before an election? OF COURSE it did. Just like It's obvious that being in a middle of a war helped Bush get reelected. But to imply that the entire email scandal had NO EFFECT on Hillary's eventual defeat is nonsense. The first thing people bring up for why they don't trust Hillary is the email scandal. Clearing Hillary 2 days before the election MEANT NOTHING after 6 months of her getting pounded on it. Trump was saying all the way up until the election that he would investigate Hillary on those emails if he was elected because people still believed that there was something to be found there. Yes Hillary was establishment, yes she wasn't a great candidate, and yes that effected her numbers as well, but you really need to stop pretending as if the entire election was just that and nothing else.... You're being just as myopic as the people you're complaining about. Furthermore Comey''s statements immediately put an end to the talk about Trump's sex scandals which was causing his poll numbers to plummet. Hillary won the popular vote. With an election as close as it was, do you honestly think all the scandals and wikileaks wouldn't effect it? Of course it did. Stop pretending as if this was an single issue election.
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  5029. TheCultivatedMind  Wow...  people really need to stop treating thinking the founding fathers were gods..  Sorry, but It does not matter how intelligent you are you are not going to anticipate 200 years in the future. 1. No, the founding fathers were men, and no they didn't see into the future and think it would good for people to own Nukes or Biological weapons.....   How they anticipated the future was by making government and the constitution a living things that could change with the times. So that intelligent people in this age could make intelligent decisions based on a framework and the state of the world today. Without that concept this country wouldn't have eliminated slavery, allowed women and minorities to vote, etc.  We would have never  grew and prospered. 2. No, you don't understand what is going on here at all.  Digital media is not the same as snail mail.  For one thing the data that the NSA collects is not though "hacking into personal computers".  It's through some of the techniques that Google might use to aggregate and crawl information off the internet and other sources which can be used to make certain connections about what people are doing.  This was not possible before, just like when wire tapping and surveillance technologies were created special laws needed to be created to define what was public vs. private speech. Secondly there is the metadata collected from phone companies.  The closest analogy would be the government going into a store and asking for all the receipts and the store owner saying "sure, ok". In the past If you asked for all the receipts in all the stores within a city it would be useless information because there is no way for people to sift through all of that paperwork to find anything meaningful.   However TODAY telecoms (store owners) have metadata (receipts) for millions of people and millions of transactions, and because of TECHNOLOGY we have data centers that can crunch through this information in an instant.  So we can make connections and find out information on people in a way that was not possible before. The point is technology has indeed changed how we define the 4th amendment over time.  These are not simplistic or straight forward issues.
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  5044. EarlRegent Ok, I can see now that quickly responding with "yes" left it open to interpretation over what I was responding "yes" to. -"Punishment is part of the prevention initiative" I would argue that it's only to a limited extent and only for certain types of crimes.  For example the death penalty has done little to decrease the number of homicides in this country.  The mental state of someone committing a murder isn't one weighing the pros and cons of various "punishments" they may receive if caught. -"If all criminal punishments are abandoned, you really think the crime rates will remain the same? " I have no idea.  It would likely go up for those people who are mentally ill and not treated.   However the vast majority incarcerated today are for drug related offenses and DUIs.  If JUST those people were released instead of spending extended time in prison to be institutionalized and turned into hardened criminals would the crime rate would go up or down?  I don't know... but it's a question we hardly ever ask and should.  Certainly decriminalizing drugs has shown to decrease violence. "Is it revenge to sue a person in civil court for money due to abuses against the plaintiff?" Entirely depends on whether the money is compensating for a loss or whether it is purely punitive. -"and who says 'revenge'/'satisfaction' is wrong any ways? Do human beings not have a right to see the ones who have wronged them criminally get punished?" As a human being do I have the right to get the satisfaction of lynching a guy because of the color of his skin? How about the satisfaction of beating up an immigrant because one took my job?  Blood lust in is not a positive thing for society and neither is state sanctioned blood lust.  It promotes characterizing everything as good/evil instead of understanding underlying problems.
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  5088. Joseph Zinga 1. You didn't clarify, I'm not sure why you're pretending that you did when it's obvious from the comment above that you didn't. 2. Again, it's not hypocrisy if you support freedom of religion. You're calling something "hypocrisy" because a religion doesn't meet your standards. That is the very definition of "intolerant". I'm amazed that you don't recognize your own hypocrisy. Again, It's not a government official's job to play favors with different religions. 3. I don't care about their ideology or their beliefs. I also don't care what YOU think of their ideology or their beliefs because they are free to believe and follow anything they want to. That's what freedom is about. However you imposing your standards on others is not. If someone from a different country came to the US and said that it was hypocritical for us to talk about intolerance based on the fact that our women wear tops on the beach while men can go topless and that we have separate bathrooms and showers for men and women you would think it's ridiculous. The fact that you're creating this standard for another group's religion is also ridiculous. It's really based on nothing more than conceit. The reality is that both cultural norms are based on puritanical ideas and history. 4. Well you sure are implying it. Suddenly a government official can't speak at a mosque simply because the women sit in a different area? Again freedom of religion or not? 5. You're commenting on a guy's channel who swears all the time. Suddenly you're triggered just because I used the word "damn". Are we in kindergarten or something?
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  5188. JFB1111 1.  A US based network is obviously going to focus on issues more relevant to the US..   2. Again, a US based network is obviously going to focus on issue more relevant to the US.  Not sure why you think it should be different.  If we were to take global threats which kill more people each year we would be talking about things like droughts, malaria, potable water, and healthcare.  Yet somehow you think coverage should only be skewed one specific way, targeting one group of people.  Why is that?   3. Whether the word "Islamaphobia" is made up or not is completely irrelevant....  Humans make up lots of words each year.  The problem on the other hand IS real. You may not give a shit about it or the people effected by it, because it doesn't effect YOU, but it is a real problem for millions of people in this country.  The irrational position is wanting to constantly talk about  Muslim terrorism when it doesn't effect you at all. 4. Yes visited.  And buy your grossly misinformed responses it's pretty clear you don't know much about any Muslim countries...   Yes some muslims are fleeing a couple war torn countries, but understand there are MANY predominantly Muslim countries in the world that we don't talk about.   However your perception is completely skewed based on what you see in the news.  This is causing a lot of ignorance, bigotry, and violence in this country. You pretend as if there haven't been Muslims for 1500 years.... Do you honestly think that there has been constant terrorism all this time?  We get things like Algebra and many other inventions from Islamic culture.  What's going on now in some countries is based on the region not the religion.  Don't know why that is so hard to understand.
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  5269. HyperOpinionated  1. Sorry but "self interest" existed long before capitalism which is a very specific economic system. However people try to conflate capitalism with every single thing out there.  Which is really part of the propaganda that you repeated in your first statement.  The suggestion that everything good came out of capitalism. Grants are given to individuals and all sorts of, private and public institutions. It is not based on capitalism but rather public interest.  Again.  Wozniak and Jobs did not invent the computer or the PC....  It was invented long before them.  So was satellite communication, internet, etc.  We've already covered this yet you keep repeating the same falsehoods. The idea that you think these things came from Apple just because of the branding and advertising is a reflection of the sad state of brainwashing in our country... R&D magazine suggests that 90% of the innovations in the last 40 years are all the result of federal funding.  Of course you wouldn't know that because the government doesn't advertise and the people who actually invented these things, rather than merely profiting from them, are unknown. 2. Again capitalism is a system setup by  governments.  You have it backwards...     You cannot have capitalism the way we know it today without currency, a treasury, and federal backed banking.  Not to mention all companies (LLC, Corporations, etc.) are entities created and regulated by the government.   Without which they would not exist.  Just like you can't have football without rules, a ball, and a stadium.  The government provides all the infrastructure needed for these games (markets) to be played.  Before there was a US government there were the colonial governments and the British Empire that served the same purpose. 3.  There is also nothing done in the US that isn't done without relying on socialization.
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  5271. HyperOpinionated You know....  When you proceed to regurgitate the typical libertarian mantra while completely ignoring the facts I laid out as well as the clear questions I just asked then you're only reinforcing my point that this is more about brainwashing, dogma, and blind ideology. 1. You still haven't demonstrated a single case that proves your point.  Where is this capitalism without government?    Reciting mantra only proves that you know how to repeat stuff... 2.  Humans being social creatures and living in groups has always been the core part of our  survival.   It's the whole reason why we developed language, live in tribes, and created societies.   For hundreds of thousands of years we hunted in groups, gathered food in groups, and built each other's shelters as a group. There are dozens of a examples of tribal cultures all around the world still living in this same way today. There is no "natural state" of constantly competing other than for leadership or women. 3. There are at least a dozen countries that are far more socialist than the US.  (Sweden, Denmark, Iceland, Finland, Germany, Canada, etc.) not one is in an active war or constantly bombing other countries... In fact our police kill 70 times the number of  other first world countries.  We're also at the top of the list for imprisoning far more of our population than other first world countries. So please wake up and bring facts not your brainwashing about how socialism = totalitarianism. It's like you would rather go through life in a dream like state believing the propaganda sold to you by think tanks without ever looking into whether it is true or not...
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  5272. HyperOpinionated   You 'd like to think you are an independent thinker, but it's clear you are not.  Have you ever actually looked at the data on taxes as a percentage of GDP, socialist policies and authoritarianism, violence, health, and war?   Or do you just blindly make assumptions? People who are scientifically minded actually care about the numbers.  Unlike you, I've actually looked at the data, because I rely on facts not propaganda. The other problem is that you think that the economic system and the governing system are somehow unrelated when in reality one effects the other.  If you can corrupt the system with money then that system isn't  effective.  This is no different than a Banana Republic.  So this is why studies show when their is less economic equality in society then there is more violence, authoritarianism, etc.   If you believe that all government is evil and the existence of government itself is the problem, then explain how countries with far more government (as a percentage of GDP) and much more socialism (banking, healthcare, etc.) imprison less people, don't engage in war, lead happier lives, have better health coverage, and even have more buying power than we do? I'll ask you for the third and final time.  Where is a SINGLE example of capitalism without government functioning anywhere in the world and at any point in history? The fact that you can't even answer a simple question.  Basically implies that you really don't care about anything other than having an ideology.
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  5273. HyperOpinionated Instead of presenting any facts or evidence you simply come up with one straw man after another.  No I never brought up utopia, never said happiness is quantifiable (although there is something called "polling"), never said good and evil are quantifiable.   Since you can't support your arguments or answer my questions you just start making up what I think so you can argue against it.  This is stereotypical of someone with weak arguments. It's also clear from your phrase "leftist professors" where your particular brand of brainwashing comes from....  The idea that being educated somehow makes someone "left" is pretty sad.  It shows just how bad the propaganda is. Secondly, you really don't understand what Capitalism is...  Trade existed long before Capitalism.  They are not one in the same.  It's like the difference between a car and a transmission or engine. Capitalism is primarily identified by the private ownership of the means of production.  Which means that people who own companies with laborers, own stock/commodities, venture capitalists or vulture capitalists (where they own companies long enough to downsize and profit) are "capitalists".  So people like Warren Buffet, Mitt Romney, Donald Trump, Rupert Murdoch, Koch Bothers, George Soros, and most people in any high level position in the financial industry.   It doesn't require skill to produce or make anything it requires skill to own and manipulate debt/money. Trading your labor or selling your car is not capitalism it is trade. The fact that I have my own company to sell my labor doesn't make me a "capitalist". http://www.differencebetween.net/business/difference-between-capitalism-and-free-market/ This is why people classify the former Soviet Union as "state capitalism"  It is the propaganda coming out of well funded think tanks is what makes you think capitalism is somehow different than it is.
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  5276. HyperOpinionated  Once again you're making straw man arguments.  Sorry, but I never said that anyone engaging in trade can't be engaged in capitalism or vice versa.  In fact I specifically said that trade is a part of capitalism but not all trade is capitalism.  Just like all cars have engines but not all engines are in cars. I even posted a link to an article that says the same thing.  So you're either blatantly lying or not reading what I wrote. Furthermore, if that sole proprietorship is nothing more than a worker and isn't banker or investor.  Then yes it is not capitalism. A capitalist is someone who makes money from capital, which is usually money, but can be other assets like real estate: http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/capitalist  Capitalism is a society that supports this mechanism of wealth generation. http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/capitalism Simply trading your labor or selling the fruits of your labor is NOT capitalism it is trade. Most people have absolutely no clue of this distinction.  They think that anything to do with trading and anything to do with markets is capitalism.  It isn't. For example a Worker Owned Coorpertive is not capitalism:  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Worker_cooperative Although I'm sure in your mind if it's not called "capitalism" then it must be Marxism (which I'm sure you have no idea what that means either), communism, or a dictatorship. This is precisely the brainwashing I was referring to in my original comment.   People have absolutely no clue what capitalism is, but they mindlessly argue and vote to support capitalists against their own damn interests.  They just accept the brainwashing handed to them by paid shills.
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  5410. -" it doesn't "magically result in rich people investing into that country" but poor people don't invest at all. " Exactly, which is why you implement policies (safety nets, education, healthcare, wages) so that poor move into middle class and you have a much larger pool contributing to the overall economy. --"Also as is evident from every socialist country now in operation that Sanders type policies aren't "middle out" they are bottom up." Examples please? Because all the countries that Bernie Sanders talks about (Denmark, Sweden, Germany, etc.) are doing quite well economically. --" Having a $15 min wage but charging even them 60% taxes" It all depends on your buying power and what you're getting back in taxes. If you're getting a $10 wage and paying 20% in taxes but paying 50% of your wages for healthcare and school debt then you're in a much worse situation. Look at the bigger picture. --" Indegogo campaigns are nice and all but account for such a tiny portion of total investments thats laughable" TYT has literally raised millions online in various campaigns. Not to mention their memberships. So I have no idea what you're talking about. You're the one who took a single factoid and assumed that was how TYT was funded. "NOT A SINGLE leader or inhabitant of a 3rd world country makes the top 20 richest people in the world" And? You basically just made my point for me. lol... Those 3rd world countries all have super low taxes, low investment in their infrastructure, unstable currencies, little regulation, etc. In other words without taxes and investment in the people and infrastructure you can only grow the economy so much.... There is a reason why taxes increased in the US along with the economy. We invested in railroads, public schools, libraries, federal highway system, works program, healthcare and retirement for the elderly (which lifted a huge burden from families), even NASA was an investment that contributed to a lot to the technology that we have today (GPS, cellphones, computers, etc.). As well as countless other things. All of these things gave more equality of opportunity to millions of people. No progressives are educated and informed. You guys are just brainwashed by a lot of propaganda so you believe that the world still reflects the cold war from 30 years ago . Meanwhile most of the world has moved on to policies that actually work, not some bullshit ideology. You really need to stop believing that the world is as simplistic as "Communists vs Capitalism" that notion is complete bullshit.
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  5414. So equality was better before the economy tanked. Sounds about right. There are not many countries are same size of the US so your argument is moot. You might as well say that countries with colder climates have higher HDI, because it would be the same irrelevant correlation. However what you're NOT saying is whether we have implemented the same policies for healthcare (Which is the #1 cause of bankruptcy in the US), Education (students are 1.3 trillion in debt ), and Wages (wages have flat-lined despite productivity going up) as those other countries and what kind of impact that has on. Guess what? There is waste EVERYWHERE.... I hate to burst your bubble, but you have the same waste in the private sector. A couple years ago I worked for a large corporation where my bosses were willing to waste 1.5 million a year on a product providing a service that we could have done in house for a fraction of the cost. The reason? Politics, nothing more. This happens in big corporations everywhere. Guess where all that waste in the government is going to? IT'S GOING TO THE PRIVATE SECTOR! LOL.... It's going to companies like Halliburton, Lockheed Martin, and hundreds of other PRIVATE companies who pay off politicians to get private contracts and charge enormous fees. That's why campaign finance reform is so important, because without democratic representation, these corporations, these oligarchs, will continue use the government to screw over people like you. That's why they don't want single payer healthcare or free college education because many large corporations will stand to lose millions if not billions of dollars on the private sector "waste" that they profit from today. We've spent 40 years practicing Reaganomics (in one form or another), it's about time we stop this trickle down nonsense. It doesn't work it never has. Bush cut taxes on the wealthy and we ended up trillions in debt and a huge deficit. Trump wants to do it again. They tried it with that health care bill, and now they're trying it again.
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  5448. I'm a black man and even though I spent most of my childhood in the suburbs I remember being ridiculed for being black, older kids grabbing me by the collar and picking me up shaking me saying "I hate black people" when I was like 7 or 8. At that time I I also met a girl I liked who became my best friend only to lose her suddenly because her parents were bigots and didn't want her playing with or even talking to me anymore. I remember growing up in highschool and both of my closest friend's parents were basically half bigots. They were "okay" with black people but weren't thrilled that their children was hanging out with one. My best friend's mother was always antagonistic towards me and sometimes would even hang up the phone when I called. I met another girl I really liked, but her mother was bigoted and even called the police on me and my friends when we came by. I don't cry ever, but I remember breaking out into tears that night sitting in the police station explaining that we were just there to visit a friend. Spending years being suspected of being a thief every time you walk into a store wasn't really a big deal. The thing that hurt the most was how bigotry sabotaged my close friendships and relationships. Since then my best friend's mother has seen that I've been the most stable and financially secure friend that her son has ever had. So now she thinks I'm the greatest, but I can easily see how people can grow up hurt jaded and with PTSD from experiencing that at a young age. I've had many black friends who have turned out fine like me (arguably, since I still have issues with close relationships), but I've seen many end up broken and suspicious of everyone. It's especially bad in the workplace, black people have seen other's getting promoted, praised, and highlighted for doing less work. So they're always suspicious of racial bias and many times they don't try as hard because they think "what's the point?". It's kind of like the old experiment with the dogs that were get electrocuted over and over, eventually they just give up and except the pain.
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  5453. PHeMoX 1. well you are in fact justifying racist policies regardless of who you sleep with. 2. Often Hispanics are lumped in with blacks as well. What you're point? There are white and black Hispanics. 3. No they're not "close enough" when you're trying to justify 8 to 10 times the stop and frist rate of whites. 2 times and 10 times are hugely different. You're more than welcome to post your numbers but I seriously doubt 40% more black people suddenly decided to commit crime in 3 years. 4. "That's not what happens. " That is PRECISELY what happens. Do you not get that? Obviously you don't because you've never experienced it... You've never been in a store and assumed that you're stealing something. You've never been out with your friends and the police assume that since you're the black one you need to be harassed more. You've never been pulled over for driving a nice car simply because you're suspected of stealing it because you're black. 5. "It's only unlawful when there's absolutely no reason whatsoever to search and detain someone." Again. that is PRECISELY what happened. Do you not realize that there are people who got stopped and searched several times a week just for entering and existing their own apartment building? Can you imagine living your life where every time you left your home or came back from the gym you had to prepare to get searched? Can you imagine how different your life would be if that was your reality? Can you imagine how much hatred you would have for the police in that situation? Especially when you were 8 times more likely to get stopped than your white friends?
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  5463. You're Fired ! This is your train of thought, not mine.... I simply said that libertarianism, "austrian economics", "small government", are nothing but bullshit concepts. However if you want specifics I admire Iceland for prosecuting and jailing it's bankers which effected the economy with their shady practices, I admire Iceland, Norway, Germany, Denmark, etc. for their commitment to be on 100% renewable energy With some already close to meeting that goal. I admire all other democracies in the world except for ours for having a healthcare system that doesn't just work well if you're rich or leave families bankrupt. No..... I said comparing the economic policy of a country that's nothing more than a large financial district and trading port is as silly as comparing New York to the rest of the country. Not every state can be an international banking center, stock exchange, and trading port. So believing that it is some kind of model for the rest of the world is pretty nonsensical. Making money from the money, products, and labors that come in and out from other countries is not a model that every country can follow. A progressive tax code exists for a reason, every country in the world isn't somehow stupid. It is completely dumb to think that a flat tax is anything more than a tax hike on the poor and a tax cut on the rich. A sales tax hike is also a huge tax on the poor. Poor people spend most of their income buying products and services to survive. Rich people don't, they horde it or use it for gambling (speculation, etc.). Raising sales taxes is the surest way to make poor people poorer and kill businesses in poor communities. --"get rid of a lot of the regulations and rules that makes it harder for people to start businesses." Which regulations and rules exactly? A lot of people talk about regulations and don't know WTF they're talking about because they've never actually started a business. Are you talking about medical incenses? Food safety? Which regulations exactly are you willing to get rid of so that someone else can make a buck? Sigh... Social Security has kept millions of people out of poverty Genius,... It dropped the poverty rate among seniors from 35% to %10. Not only that but it allowed the middle class to flourish because people weren't having to spend all of their money just taking care of their aging parents. Furthermore it is not just for the elderly it's also for the disabled. Do you realize that geniuses like Stephan Hawking wouldn't even be around today if he weren't for safety nets? Like I said. All you know is "Waaaah!!! I don't want to be forced to pay for stuff!". Without having a single clue why these things are in place or how many lives they have saved and how this country (and many others) have benefited because of them. A child growing up poor, sick, and uneducated hurts society (violence, crime, lack of innovation & economy activity) whereas a child growing up fed, healthy, and educated is a benefit to society. You foolishly think that by "taking away stuff" or removing support mechanisms that you're somehow "teaching people a lesson" and that everyone will just magically straighten if you pretend that people are children who just needs tough love. In reality there is absolutely not a shred of evidence to support that.... Third world countries remain third world countries despite no regulations, low taxes, and no public infrastructure. You're not teaching anyone a lesson by letting millions die, or leaving millions in poverty, or leaving millions uneducated. You're only hurting yourself by making the country worse.
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  5502. Megan, I'll also repeat myself... Russian Hacking WAS NEVER the only evidence here. You pretend as if an investigation requires there to be irrefutable proof of a crime. if someone was murdered and you have people who benefited from that murder and also had means and motive, would you simply tell the police to ignore those people to not investigate them at all? Would you just pretend the person murdered themselves? Yeah I want the FBI to investigate EVERYTHING, I want Trump to release his tax returns too so we can see exactly who his financial obligations are to. Secondly you and others are creating a complete "false choice". The fact that Trump or those in his administration/campaign may have colluded with Russia DOES NOT suddenly mean that war with Russia is a good idea, it also DOES NOT mean that Hillary Clinton was an awesome candidate. However those are the narratives that you guys are pushing. We don't like war or Hilary Clinton so let's just stick our heads the sand and pretty much ignore any evidence, ties, and and any investigation into Russia. Let's just pretend that interfering with elections is something that Russia would never do, because we want to be completely gullible when it comes to this one issue so that we can support our narratives. Look, we can talk about casualties all day. You know for a fact that Trump has already killed his fair share of civilians and workers in Syria. Including killing an 8 year old girl and 30 other civilians on a mission that Obama previously denied. However Trump is basically allowing the Pentagon to do whatever it wants. He is increasing pentagons budget dramatically. He's expanded the drone program and is allowing for more civilian casualties. They even just approved the largest weapons deal we ever made to Saudi Arabia including the use of weapons that were banned under previous administrations. In case you didn't know Saudi Arabia is responsible for spreading the extremist form of Islam that created Al Qaeda. Trump FOOLED YOU into making you think that he's against war and violence. He's not. He's bombed Syria many times already (not ISIS, the Syrian government) and while you've been focused on Russia we've been heading towards war with North Korea. The only reason why you think the war machine has stopped with Trump is because you simply stopped paying attention to it after he was elected.
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  5504. Trump also called for "safe zones" in Syria which is effectively the same thing. You cannot enforce any kind of protected zone in the middle of a war without the military, period. As far as overthrowing Assad, some of Trump's surrogates have said that needs to happen, others have not. Trump himself has been on every side of the issue when it came to overthrowing Gaddafi or Saddam Hussein. So I don't see how you can trust what he wants to do one way or another. Like I said military spending and bombings have increased under Trump and he has bombed the Syrian government at least twice already. --"And when you say you want an investigation into Trump/Russia "collusion, what does that even mean?" If you don't know what that means then you really haven't been paying attention. No it doesn't mean that the Trump campaign somehow said "hack them for me". It means that they made a deal to guarantee certain policies favorable to Russia in exchange for a financial deal or relief of debt that he owes. Russia We already know that the Trump campaign changed the GOP platform to include policies more favorable towards Russia and lifting the sanctions for absolutely no reason. It wasn't anything that anyone was running on. So it came out of the blue. We also know that Trump appointed the CEO of Exxon mobile out of nowhere as secretary of state, a guy with absolutely no experience with that job, However he just so happen to run the same company who is advocating for those sanctions to be lifted which would be a 500 billion dollar boon to Russia. Of course Trump didn't lift those sanctions yet, however that was after the Russia allegations were flooding the media. However it was clear what the intentions were by changing the GOP platform and appointing someone like Rex Tllerson. We also know that his previous campaign manager was actively getting millions from Russia and then we learn that Russian officials bragged that they could use Micheal Flynn to influence Trump. Meanwhile we have Trump is obstructing justice telling Comey not to investigate Flynn even after he had already fired Flynn, why? Then later Trump fires Comey for investigating him. Now I don't know how far it goes or even if Trump is actually involved (perhaps he was just being used) but I damn sure want to find out, don't you? Keep i mind that this wouldn't be the first time a Republican president colluded with our adversaries during a campaign, both Nixon and Reagan did this. Nixon with the Viet Cong and Reagan with Iran.
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  5531. bigballer --"Do nazis have the right to be nazis then?" So are you saying that she is personally responsible for the genocide of Jews? Or are you saying that Germans today should be blamed for the Holocaust?  Sorry, but your statements are completely irrational.  For example: --""Mindlessly lumped together" where are you coming up with this? No one is saying they are directly responsible for the crimes of other muslims" Really? Then you go on to say: --" but there is a very clear link when they both follow the exact same ideology." Well then YOU ARE mindlessly lumping her with criminals and holding her responsible for their crimes when she has absolutely NOTHING to do with them. Guess what Genius? The Bible ALSO has many verses commanding people to kill others and even condones rape and slavery.  LOOK IT UP..... Your comments are just as idiotic as blaming every US citizen for drone strikes on children... The fact that I'm a US citizen doesn't mean that I agree with everything the american government does.  It does not mean that I agree with everything that every other US citizen does.  However an idiotic terrorist may think that it's okay to bomb any US citizen because of what our government does.  It's the exact same idiotic mindset that you have... The fact that she's Muslim does not somehow mean that she agrees with EVERY interpretation of the Quran.  Nor is it right to call her names or commit hate crimes against her just because of what some other Muslims have done. DAMMIT Just get your fucking head out of your ass already and stop stereotyping and demonizing every person you come across.
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  5628. AtheistDaddy 1. Yes those who started political factions were "wrong".   Perhaps you could make the argument at a time when much of the population was illiterate and communication was through telegraph.  However today we live in the information age and political parties are merely marketing agencies for getting politicians elected.  They mainly serve to obscure ideas/facts behind political spin. 2. Again, it would be completely false to say that all republicans want to remove science from the classroom.  Just like it would be false to say all liberals want government to run everything.   When you start arguing with labels it dumbs down the conversation.  It is pointless to argue against a caricature. 3.  Your last statement is the most telling.... -"I may not agree with everything in the Democrat platform but it is much closer to my political leanings. This is the dichotomy." So by your own words you say that you don't completely agree with either "side". Isn't it then absurd to call that a "dichotomy"? Guess what?  Most people feel exactly the same way. They lean one direction or the other, most are not ideologues.  This is why there are more self identified "independents" every year.   We are all just people with a different set of experiences, given a different set of facts, and then told to "pick a side". The only reason why we think there is a dichotomy is because we are constantly told so by a media who makes money of the "fight" and by politicians looking to differentiate themselves against "the other side" in order to get elected. End political parties.  End the nonsense.  They serve nothing but themselves.
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  5630. AtheistDaddy 1.  Wow, you didn't even read what I wrote.  Let me copy and paste: -Never claimed you said "all parties are the same" so I have no idea where you got that from or why you are supposedly repeating it...  2. I never said there weren't difference between the parties and "difference" does not mean "dichotomy"...  If a car lot has a red, green, and yellow car.  This is not a "dichotomy". Your original assertion was that a dichotomy  exists in defining oneself as "liberal" or "conservative" and I'm telling you that this is a false dichotomy.   People are far more complex and varied than this and by your own admission you agree and it is also shown in the growing number of self identified "independents" 3. My point is that the great majority of the fluff is spent on making caricatures of parties and "party branding" rather than debating real ideas.  The media also perpetuates this false dichotomy by staging these fake debates between a democrat and republican.  Then basically calling it even so they can be fair to  "both sides" rather than discussing the idea itself. Secondly psychologically we tend to agree with what ever group or party we identify with (cognitive dissonance/self justification).  Which is how so many "conservatives" or "republicans" decided that war in Iraq was a good thing when historically the party has been against war.  It is also how many people in the Nazi party agreed with the extremes that were going on .  Group mentality is a very dangerous thing.... Political parties today are useless organizations that do more harm to US democracy than good.  The only "dichotomy" that exists is in running for office because you  cannot be a politician in this country without aligning yourself to one of the cartels.  Neither one of these parties represent the American people yet we pretend they do.
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  5654. I liked Wikileaks when they were exposing atrocities. However when a foreign national is purposely trying to manipulate elections of other countries by sitting on information and timing its release. I have huge problems with that.... Also a lot of the information is centering around just embarrassing people by pointing out the stupid shit they say in private. This is nowhere near to the level of doing a "double tap" in Afghanistan or exposing a national spying program, this is basically the equivalent of pointing a finger and saying "ha ha". Furthermore the fact that these leaks came from Russian officials is even more disturbing, everyone should find that disturbing. If you leak the private emails from any campaign or any individual I'm sure you'll find lots of damming statements, just imagine what the private emails from the Trump campaign or the RNC would look like? However if you hack and leak the emails from one side then clearly your goal is to manipulate an election. The fact that you and the media don't cover that angle is rather disturbing. Basically you're willing to gobble up an report any information that is leaked on Hillary because you hate her and you're looking for anything juicy. I get it, leaked private information is "sexy" and it gets you excited, but can we step back for a moment and instead of just acting like a dog chasing a squirrel can we think for a minute about why this information was leaked and for what purpose? Because it seems clear that someone is leading you and the rest of the media by the nose....
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  5663. John Smith That's sort of my point.  There is a reason why pure sugar, pure salt, and even pure water is bad for humans to consume.  And it took a long while for us to realize this.  So when you start adding and removing traits that have naturally occurred for thousands of years you don't know what the long term implications will be on the growth of that organism and how it effects the nutritional profile or the effects of it on other organisms consuming it.  We are just now starting to understand the symbiotic relationships between  plants (like corn) and other species of fungus and microbes in the soil.  Organisms that GMO corn completely kill off which changes forever how that corn used to develop. We have changed dramatically the food that we eat in this country.  An animal grown in a factory farm does not have the same nutritional profile as one grown on a pasture or in the wild. And it's the same for a lot of GMO foods that are built to produce insecticides or withstand weed killers.  Do you think there would be a long term difference in something like wheat or corn (which is used in MANY products) that produces far less magnesium, calcium, zinc, or iron than normal?   These things matter a lot more than we think they do and throwing off the balance in our bodies between vitamins, fungus, bacteria, & parasites is really no different than doing so in the environment. The more we think of plants and animals as simple machines that we can just replace parts without consequence instead of living things that are shaped by evolution then the worse off we will be.... If someone was in charge of "growing humans".  They probably wouldn't think of things like love, socialization, exercise and a hundred other things that are essential to health.
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  5722. Derek Bao 1. Witnesses specifically heard Trayvon asking: "What are you following me for?" followed by a man's voice responding, "What are you doing around here?" So in other words he did exactly that. He didn't suddenly start punching. However George kept pursuing him even after being confronted and after the police told him to let it go. So again, what would you do in that situation? You confronted the guy and yet he still following you and questioning you for no reason. He won't leave you alone. Depending on your temperament it is very likely that you would get rather pissed in that situation. 2. No sorry, it wasn't clear. Your inflections aren't going to come across in text. Next time use the person's name, don't expect people to automatically know WTF you're talking about. When you say something like "this kid" people will assume that you're referring to the subject introduced in the previous sentence not a different person. This is basic grammar and has nothing to do with IQ. 3. You are the one litigating the case. Now suddenly your defense is the "outcome of the case". Which means that you know that your arguments are weak. The outcome of the case was determined based on the stand your ground law. Not based on what was right. It's really not too much to ask for people to get their heads out of their asses and know what's right. 4. I never made him out to be anything. You were the one who decided to use "tweets" to malign him in some way. I just asked why Trayvon's "tweets" are more important than George's past assaults? Which you don't seem to have an answer to, because it is an obvious double standard.
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  5817. Beeftender Again, Trump has gone on record wanting to expand the drone program and explicitly target civilians. How could you now see that as worse? Trump was also on record arguing for regime change in Lybia in 2011. So we really don't know his stance on regime change is. However I do know that bombing civilians, torture (even if it doesn't work according to Trump), blindly supporting the settlements in Israel (saying they should build more), and declaring all Muslims bad will lead to more conflict, more war not less. Not to mention the racial conflict in our own country. Violence has already escalated because of Trump. Clinton is not that much different than Obama on foreign policy. Yes we don't like the existing drone strikes and playing fast and loose with the idea of regime change, but at least she can be moved left as she has already moved left because of the debates with Sanders. At least she UNDERSTANDS foreign policy and is not going to accidentally start a war or completely piss off other leaders, or strain the ties with our existing allies. Trump, like George Bush, will blunder his way through foreign policy.... He is a loose cannon who has absolutely no clue what our allies are doing for us or what our enemies are doing against us. He has already managed to piss off Mexico, UK, Scotland, China, France, etc. Many leaders around the world have come out saying that he's a joke and doesn't know what he's talking about. Most of the world leaders have ZERO respect for Trump. He says things like maybe Japan should get Nukes. The UK parliament has voted to ban the guy from the country. There are protests in Mexico every week against him. Electing a guy who is already hated around the world is not a smart thing to do.
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  5819. Beeftender 1. No she is not just as hated around the world as Trump. She is supported by most if not all leaders around the world so what you're saying is factually not true. She is hated by many here domestically sure. However politicians around the world are not trying to ban her from entering their country as they have tried to do with Trump, they are not calling her a buffoon and uninformed like they are with Trump. There are no Hillary protests like there are against Trump. There isn't a huge Mexican pinata market as there is with Trump. ISIS is not constantly putting Hillary into their recruitment videos for hateful anti-Muslim rhetoric like they are for trump. So what you're saying is factually incorrect. 2. No. Again. You are being willfully ignorant here. As I said. Trump wants to go BEYOND and expand what the Obama administration did as far as drone strikes and directly target civilians. He wants to deploy 30,000 troops to Syria. He wants to bring back torture and go beyond waterboarding. He wants to limit freedom of speech. He wants to ban everyone from an ethnic group or religion from entering the country. He wants to run the country with machismo and nationalism instead of strategy. This is the Bush Administration 2.0. To say that these things are "equivalent" to anything that the Obama administration has done is absurd. Again you are willing to overlook a monster and everything he has said in debates and interviews just because of the hatred you've whipped up in your mind against Hillary. It is irrational. I don't like her either, but at least I can be objective about it. Clearly you cannot.
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  5824. 777SilverPhoenix777 Look...  People DID leave because it was getting bad.  Which is why when the snow started at 12  "rush hour" started at 1:00... However by then it was too late.  And as people were sitting in traffic the highways started completely freezing over. People were stuck behind major hills, ramps, etc. that were completely coated with ice, not "snow", but ICE.  Being on an incline that is iced over is a dangerous situation no matter where you are.  No amount of "pumping your breaks" is going to help that situation.  And YES car dealers don't somehow stop selling anti-lock brakes at the border, they are the norm here.... It's really easy to sit back and blame people you've never met on what they "coulda shoulda" did when you're in a completely different situation... Especially based on little more than pictures that don't tell you the entire story.  To this day you can find cars abandoned on the roads and highways because people had to walk for miles to get home or to the nearest shelter, because the ice made certain areas impassible by a car without chains and the traffic was so backed up it took some people 10, 12, 16 hours to get home. What should have taken place is that the city should have started treating the roads before it hit.  At least those with inclines (Atlanta is hilly), but they didn't expected ice to form so quickly...   Like I said this isn't the first time it's snowed here, but it's never been like this. The only thing you are right about is that with climate change these unusual situations will be far more common so people will have to start preparing for the worse...  But that doesn't just apply here that applies everywhere.  Floods, Tornadoes, hurricanes, can all happen in unexpected places.  Meanwhile today is sunny and 50 degrees...
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  5922. L St. A. You're arguing nonsense. First off let me repeat. The Queen's Opening of parliament IS a ceremony. The presidential address IS NOT a ceremony it is a speech to congress. If you think that it is a ceremony then I'm sorry, but you don't know dick about the US government. The presidential inauguration is a "ceremony". However addressing congress is a constitutional requirement that the president must give periodic information/reports to congress. It is not a fucking ceremony.... Furthermore you appear to have selective memory. These are your words: "that doesn't take away the fact that this man deserved to be commemorated and his wife to be given the sense of closure..." "Normal functioning human beings are able to commemorate this fallen soldier and give the widow her moment of closure" So please stop pretending that you were not the one who kept asserting that this was about closure repeatedly in your replies. The subject of closure didn't appear by magic YOU were the one who brought it up. Then you assert it again here: "Yes, I deem it closure for the widow -- the person who is being commemorated by the President." And then you say: " as opposed to you -- never tried to define how people have their closure. " WTF dude? YOU JUST DID. I'm sorry but this contradiction is irrational and nonsensical. Again, who are you to determine what is closure for a person or not? Because that is clearly what you are doing here. Again, you felt good about it, so you're letting your emotion dictate what is good for people. Again I would have had respect for Trump if he actually commemorated the 30 civilians who died in that raid instead of using emotion as propaganda to win over people like you. Trump is on record not caring about families in the middle east and saying that we should purposely target them. That should concern you more than saying something nice about a dead soldier and commenting on how much of an applause it got. You need to wake the fuck up and see how you're being manipulated.
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  5933. Afanasi Bushmanov There is no one cause..... That's like asking "what is the cause of physical illness?". Could be psychological, social, physical trauma to the brain, heavy metals, infections, poor nutrition, or drugs. Or it may not even be an illness at all such as in many cases of ADHD where it's about understanding that different people learn differently and they always have. There have been studies that show that schizophrenic patients who were not on drugs had fewer psychotic episodes than those who were for long periods of time. Not to mention studies that show that therapy has just as good of results compared to treating depression with drugs and with more long term changes. Nuerotransmitters are physical things that the brain changes and rewires over time, changing or interfering with a chemical signal sent or received by a Nuerotransmitter with a drug is not the same as changing the pathway. Again, there is no such thing as a "chemical imbalance". It's a phrase meant to make people think "the brain is made up of A, B, & C chemicals and if they are out of balance and I have less B chemical then all I need to do is add more B chemical and everything will be fine! yeah!" It's an absolutely ridiculous notion meant to sell drugs. The APA came out with a story a few years ago that explained that more often than not "Americans are taking medications that may not work or may be inappropriate for their mental health problems." In many cases we are giving these drugs to children as young as five with little regard to the long term effects these drugs will have on the long term development of that child. My point is that drugs are the lazy way of treating a mental illness, they are a quick way for doctors and pharmaceutical companies to make lots of money over a long period of time. Sure there are many cases where drugs are needed, but in general they are being over-prescribed and causing more issues than they are solving. Therapy and nutrition should be the first go to methods for treating mental illness not drugs. Unfortunately we live in a society where the patients are begging for drugs before the doctor can even diagnose them. http://davidhealy.org/psychiatry-gone-astray/
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  5934. Afanasi Bushmanov I won't pretend to be a doctor or understand your particular situation, but I will say that if given the choice would you rather be on beta blockers for the rest of your life or would you choose a therapy for 6 months that would cure you for the rest of your life? I have/had a friend that I've known for a couple decades. She also had social anxiety as well as panic attacks. She was convinced of the whole "chemical imbalance" thing and in her mind the cure was xanax. One of her psychiatrists prescribed it to her and since it "worked" she convinced herself that xanax was somehow providing chemicals that her brain needed. (as if it were some kind of vitamin) So her whole point of going to a doctor became to get prescribed xanax and if she didn't get it legally she got it from dealers. I've known her since she was a teenager so I could tell the impact that xanax had on her life. Instead of someone dealing with anxiety and the occasional panic attack she became someone that would go from blissful ignorance to a psychotic break. As well as lots of anger outbursts in between. She couldn't function without xanax, but at the same time she couldn't hold a normal job. At one point during a break down she even pointed a loaded gun at my head. She never listened to me about learning to cope without xanax and our friendship suffered for it and I stopped talking to her for a long time. Several years ago she finally came to the conclusion to get herself off xanax and the change was pretty immediate, she became more of a "normal" person and ended up getting a good job and then a promotion. Basically reverting back to the person that I remembered. She's very lucky to be alive today because xanax took her down a very dark path and it took her a long time to realize it. In reality a lot of her anxiety stemmed from her childhood and issues in her family that she never had the chance to deal with. So instead of dealing with it or finding other coping mechanisms she covered it up with a drug. Unfortunately when you just cover up your problems they don't go away they just come out in other ways.
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  5937. +Shannon Cassel .... I can respect people, but I can't respect what they believe. If your answer is to "have faith" then all you're saying is that belief is worth more than outcomes. That if I put on a robe, recite some text, and visit a holy place then die because of something that happens when you put millions of people in one place then I'll go to a "magic place", but if I die slipping on a banana then I don't. It's absurd. That's not to say that there aren't things beyond our understanding and our consciousness. There are many things beyond our knowledge, beyond our perception, and way beyond what we can begin to understanding. However to admit this is also admitting that human morality has absolutely nothing to do with it. That if something as simple as 700 people dying in a stampede is beyond our understanding then our concept of morality, scriptures, rituals, special robes and clothing would also be utterly meaningless to something of a completely different consciousness. Having faith is nothing more than fulfilling a human need to believe in something. My biggest problem with believers in Abrahamic religions is that they resolve themselves to thinking that all spiritual insight and knowledge ended 2000 years ago. It's like someone growing up and still using crayons and play doh to communicate and share ideas. It's a spiritual ignorance that leads to repeating silly rituals, believing in special places, hating themselves, hating others, and placating themselves on the idea that if they just have enough faith then they will get to a 'magical place" when they die. It's all based on weakness.
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  5988. kathy kelly 1.  Which only means you completely don't understand what "regulations" are....   The First & Second National bank of America where private institutions.  Just like the Fed. 2.   Red Herring fallacy...  Nothing of what you said alters the fact that it was the Energy Crises led to the economic problems in the 70s.   Nor does it change the policies that led to the biggest boom in our economy inthe 40s, 50s, & 60s.  (high upper income taxes, minimum wage, new deal, social security, public works, etc.) 2.   You said: "I don't deny that gov't stimulus makes the economy grow, but it is inevitable mal-investment by definition, since gov't is involuntary and markets are voluntary" In other words you acknowledge that "facts exist", but choose not to believe them because of your ideology.  This is the problem with our country today...   Too many people following their "gut" instead of the facts.  In the meantime there are REAL people dying of poverty or health issues because people like you choose to blindly follow a feel good narrative from a TV pundit instead of looking at the facts. 4.  We were talking about economic inequality.  High tax rates on the upper income bracket in the 30's, 40s, 50's, & 60's did in fact decrease inequality.  You can see this clearly in the data: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:2008_Top1percentUSA.png I already stated that revenue as a % of GDP has increased steadily since the beginning of this country.  Did you forget? The difference is that the distribution of that tax revenue and wealth changed with policy.  Corporate taxes has decreased enormously through many loopholes,  the high 70%-90% taxes on the upper income bracket were cut providing an incentive for CEOs to take money out of companies as bonuses instead of leaving it in.  So all that wealth suddenly shifted to the upper 1% after Reagan.  The lack of tariffs, free trade laws, union busting, and not enforcing antitrust laws since the 80s also killed the middle class.
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  5989. kathy kelly   1.  Clearly you have no idea how the Fed works, nor the history.  Ummm.... the IRS has nothing to do with the Fed....   The Fed is a private institution.  It was created by bankers for banks in a private meeting on Jekyll Island.   Why do you think the "audit the Fed" bill proposed by Alan Grayson & Ron Paul in 2010 had to be passed for the government to even know what the Fed was doing?  Because the Government has very little control over what the Fed does and little knowledge about it. Because you don't  understanding these nuances means you have no clue what the "cartel" is or where the real power lies....  Which is exactly how people become gullible tools. 2.  I've already explained this over and over....   The reason the middle class and inequality declined starting in the 80s was because of.  Tax cuts on the upper income tax brackets, free trade policies, union busting, not enforcing Antitrust laws, deregulation of the financial sector.  All of these policy changes started with Reagan and continued till the crash. I'm sorry, but If your answer is to simply "ignore data" then you are part of the problem and there is no point.  Whatever corruption you see in government all stems from the "profit motive".  That same motivation is behind the cartels in Mexico, created several central banks, and kept slavery in place for decades when it became illegal in all other western countries. That motivation is also funding the propaganda telling you that somehow if the people who get rich by taking advantage of others and the system were "left alone" that somehow things would magically work itself out.   Of course the data doesn't support this at all, in any country, or at any time.  Yet somehow this makes sense to you to the point where you will abandon all facts and reason because you've been sold on this over simplistic narrative of a "free market" which is nothing more than a pure fantasy.
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  6016. MrCrackkills Again....  I said please provide any policy advocating sharia law proposed by any liberal.  Yes religious kooks are always proposing laws advocating their religion. We have religious kooks in this country constantly advocating laws based on biblical law or their religious interpretation of their biblical laws. In fact we still have some of these laws on the books in some states: https://malegislature.gov/Laws/GeneralLaws/PartIV/TitleI/Chapter272/Section36 "Whoever wilfully blasphemes the holy name of God by denying, cursing or contumeliously reproaching God, his creation, government or final judging of the world, or by cursing or contumeliously reproaching Jesus Christ or the Holy Ghost, or by cursing or contumeliously reproaching or exposing to contempt and ridicule, the holy word of God contained in the holy scriptures shall be punished by imprisonment in jail for not more than one year or by a fine of not more than three hundred dollars, and may also be bound to good behavi/or." Now of course these laws are not enforced and many such laws have been challenged and removed because of separation of church and state.  However you cannot deny that many Christians (and politicians) today are advocating that separation of church and state should not exist.  Which is about as close to "sharia law" as you can get.  The point is that NONE of these people advocating this kind of nonsense are "liberal".  In fact they are the opposite of liberal/progressive.  So the OP pretending as if liberals have anything to do with "sharia law" is absurd.
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  6022. chemistryrulesall Thousands of people get out on bail every single day and the majority of those people are not even remotely wealthy.   The people who cannot afford bail or bond are the extreme poor.  However if your point is that there are people who are very poor that get the short end of the stick then I don't see what that has to do with this story... I don't see any special treatment in this story between this woman or a middle class woman.  Apparently she was arrested and got out on bail. Which like I said, happens to thousands of people every single day. To me it looks to be more of an attempt to demonize someone simply because they may be rich and look for more punitive actions.   All over the world people act up and get arrested every day for getting drunk and then shoving someone or acting aggressive.  I don't think that their lives need to be ruined over it.   I also don't know the nature of the "fines" here or the Irish law being applied.  So who knows whether the fine was punitive or if she was simply compensating for legal fees.  In the US lawyers go for compensation and punitive damages in a civil suit, which is a completely different situation. As suggested in this clip. statistically there could be more consequences if it was a large black male shoving a stewardess rather than a white woman being aggressive.  So I don't think this is a story about someone being rich at all.  However for some reason this has become about general vitriol against "rich people" and how they should be punished more.  It seems like there is a desire to pick up pitchforks and torches whenever there may be a rich person involved and I think that thought process is irrational and dangerous...
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  6044. I honestly don't get why this is hard to understand.... Let me break it down for you guys: 1. When you leak emails from one candidate and one party and not the other you create a scandal about one candidate and one party, while giving a pass to the other party and candidate. Therefore skewing the election in favor of the other candidate and party. 2. The fact is there was RAMPANT corruption in the RNC especially to prevent Trump from being the nominee. However all that was ignored because suddenly everyone was talking about the Hillary Campaign and DNC emails. Do you honestly think that the Trump campaign and the RNC were perfect angels? The GOP establishment were pretty much planning to steal the nomination away from Trump and appoint Mitt Romney or another candidate who was not democratically selected. There were also a lot of outright illegal things going on in the Trump campaign itself. Those stories were completely ignored because the idea of "leaked emails" gave people a raging boner. The fact that we're STILL talking about leaked emails with all the shit that Trump is doing is fucking sad.... 3. It may be hard to wrap you head around this, but you can be against party corruption, establishment politics, AS WELL AS not want a foreign government manipulating our elections. Shocking I know. But it's true. There are actually people outraged by both of these things and talking about one doesn't somehow mean you don't care about the other. 4. Anyone who thinks that bitching about Hillary for the next 3 years is going to win the next election is making a stupid stupid idiotic mistake.... All you're doing is making Trump look better by doing so. Instead of bitching about Hillary and re-litigating 2016 and "leaked emails" over and over again we need to bitch about Trump, the GOP Establishment while at the same time pushing those candidates and ideas that will make a real difference. If you make the entire movement about Hillary's failure and leaked emails we're not going to win shit.
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  6046. -" first of all I think the whole Russia thing is BS and just a deflection." People who think that the FBI and all of our intelligence agents are somehow lying are just being stupid. Two people on Trump's campaign are registered as foreign agents for Christ sake and were being paid DURING trump's campaign. Just because people want an investigation, doesn't somehow mean they want war with Russia. Again, See #3. Classic "False Choice" fallacy. -"is it a coincidence that she lost in the states she refused to campaign in? Her emails clearly states that the DNC and the media should push Trump as a pied piper candidate. Was she a Russian agent?" No one ever said that Hillary ran a perfect or even a good campaign... Again, See #3. Pointing out one problem doesn't magically mean that other problems didn't exist. Again, classic "False Choice" fallacy. Stop with this idiotic black and white thinking already. I'm sick of this bullshit discourse. If all you want to do is believe that people who want a thorough investigation somehow think that Hillary was perfect and we should bomb Russia then I'm sorry but you're being manipulated by a very stupid narrative. I haven't given a shit about Hillary since 2016. The only people who keep bringing her up as if she has ANY sort of relevance today are people like you pushing this stupid narrative. In case you didn't realize it there is a whole new administration with actual power who is set to have killed more civilians in his 1st year than Obama has in the entire 8 years he was in office. With cronyism to his donors, family, Goldman Sachs executives, & Exon Mobile, on a whole new level. We are ramping up spending to the military while being on the verge of war with North Korea and all you can do is sit here and talk about fucking Hillary.....
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  6085. filosofoeduardo Classic appeal to authority fallacy. You pretend as if the Trump didn't have former and current members of his campaign with ties to the Russian government. You pretend as if Trump didn't repeat Russian propaganda while he was campaigning. You pretend as if Trump didn't just appoint the former CEO of Exxon mobile as secretary of state who got a "Friendship award" from Russia and previously worked on a half a trillion dollar fossil fuel deal in Russia that was halted after the US sanctions on Russia. The same sanctions that Michael Flynn was talking about would be lifted under Trump. This isn't just speculation from intelligence agencies, these are facts. Even if you decide to ignore the FBI investigations going on right now into the hacks and election tampering by Russia you would have to be out of your damn mind at this point to ignore the facts of what we already know.. The GOP isn't even defending Trump on this because many people in Congress also suspect that there could be something there. Bernie Sanders is also calling for an investigation into this matter BECAUSE IT IS SOMETHING OBVIOUSLY SHOULD BE INVESTIGATED.... Sorry, but sticking your head in the sand and pretending nothing is there is not the answer. You guys were quick to jump on Hillary Clinton with zero evidence other than people giving money to their charity, because you have so much irrational hate over Hillary that you can't even see straight, yet you have your blinders on with Trump when the facts are right there in your damn face.
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  6094. Thomas Fisher It's not like she was under oath and you're going to have a tough time proving that she purposely lied about a few emails out of thousands. The email scandal is already on record. It's pretty much in the history books forever and it almost cost her the election. Well I don't see that she did a river dance all over democracy, lol.... I see that we live in a flawed system where celebrity and name recognition gets you places. It's amazing that Bernie was able to get as far as he did when no one knew who he was, but the reality is people (especially older voters) are just more familiar with the Clinton name. Also the DNC is more favorable to her because she's part of the same circles whereas Bernie was always an outsider. Trump won the GOP nomination for similar reasons, he was a celebrity. It sucks, but that's just how it is. Ideas mean s lot less than your "brand". If anything I'm more pissed off at the people for not being informed and educated on the issues. However I don't blame Hillary for wanting to be president. Also if you're Hillary and being president is something that you've dreamed about since you were a kid would you really hate it if the DNC was more favorable/friendly towards you? Probably not. You would probably just shut up and take whatever advantage that was given to you. I don't think anything was malicious I just think people in the DNC were friends with Hillary so therefore wanted her to win. You can't escape human nature. If we really want true democracy we have to create a system where the population can be easily educated on the issues and the facts behind those issues. We need a culture of science instead of gut feelings. I also think we should get rid of parties, because they promote collusion and tribalism by their very nature. There is always going to be collusion in the DNC/RNC
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  6275. You dragging yourself in here Kyle... TYT can also claim they were "dragged in" because of all the bs that Jimmy has been saying about them, so how is that any different? So please stop pretending you're somehow "above the fray". Furthermore there was a lot of "Russiagate" smearing to go around.... For whatever reason it became a nonsense culture war. People, including yourself, were pretending that anyone calling for an investigation or speculating where somehow Clinton campaign operatives or part of some deep state conspiracy. You also try to claim that since Trump wasn't indicted for conspiring with Putin that somehow "you were right" about something, it's ridiculous. Everyone can have an opinion based on the same set of facts without it being a F*CKING culture war. What Aaron and Jimmy did was WAY beyond a simple disagreement they attacked people's motives and journalistic integrity, he then substituted his own opinions based on a different set of circumstantial evidence and pretended it was factual. However Ana turning around doing the same thing to him was also not fair. I wouldn't say Jimmy is a "grifter" per se, but he does say a lot of hyperbolic and untrue things to get attention. If he honestly believes everything he says then he's got some serious problems. He also has had a LONG history of bad behavior with young female coworkers. Emma, Ana, Francesca, etc. I have not heard a single young female coworker that didn't have issues with Jimmy whether it was weird anger and vitriol or inappropriate comments.
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  6369.  Mauris  For some reason you conveniently forget how English works.. "biggest factor" is not the same as "only factor" and "crime and violence" is not the same as "deaths". Obviously when you add more dangerous weapons to that "crime and violence" it means that more people will die. This is the same reason we don't let people like ISIS get their hands on a nuclear device.... obviously. "so why don't you just leave the rural areas alone" Because then people in the cities will just get their guns from the surrounding rural areas. This is PRECISELY what happens in Chicago and the Gun Show Loophole... Do you think people are incapable of driving for a couple hours to get guns? Hunting rifles that people use in a rural area to protect their property from animals or shoot deer isn't the problem here. It's handguns, semi-automatics, ARs, etc. "So at the very least, more guns doesn't mean more homicides" Nope. Correlation does not equal causation. Again... There are factors outside of guns that effect crime and violence. And when you look at the studies referenced at the Harvard School of Public Health which SPECIFICALLY control for those factors, they clearly show that more guns equal more deaths. Fun fact, for decades it was known that lead gasoline was basically poisoning the entire population. Lead causes psychological problems and violence, especially in cities with lots of cars. So many scientists believe that the EPA's phasing out of lead gasoline (late 70s to early 90s) caused a dramatic reduction (some say 56%) in violent crime and homicides across the country. Of course you could also look at the fact that the US has the most guns per capita and also one of the highest homicide rates in the industrialized world. Just look at any country with similar wealth, industrialization, and demographics and it's not hard to figure out why the UK, France, Canada, and Australia have FAR lower homicide rates than the US. Or why they don't have any mass shootings like we do.
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  7045. ​ @pariah_carey  Yes we're starting from different places, because you decided to ignore my response and completely start over. Very well: 1. Yes a thousands reasons can cause something to "happen". However when you look at the entirety of a set of data. Or you create a study that isolates for race then you can understand what impact race has by itself, without guessing. There have been numerous studies that have done this. 2. Pretending that racism doesn't exist, or ignoring any problem, doesn't solve the problem. No one is boiling down anything. We're just acknowledging that this is a problem that has existed for a long time time, effects millions of people, and needs to be fixed. 3. Yes police can be brutal to everyone. No one is denying that. But the fact is it disproportionately effects certain races more so than others. 4. All I'm hearing from you is: "Because racism doesn't impact me personally, no one else should care about it" Sorry, but that's not how this works... Just because I may not have gone through some of the problems that YOU have experienced, doesn't mean I'm going to pretend those problems don't exist or that the system didn't fail you (or others) in some way. At the same time it is YOUR responsibility to understand that racism is a real systemic problem that does impact millions of people. This isn't somehow a zero sum game were only one problem can exist at a time. Reforming the police has ALWAYS meant reforming it for how minorities are treated, poor are treated, mentally ill are treated, drug users are treated, how rape victims are treated. There are NUMEROUS problems within the system, not just one.
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  7434.  @Etheoma  I get that, but at the same time I don't see it as anymore difficult than dealing with the problems with Nuclear. Which isn't cost effective. It take many years to build a nuclear power plant, waste is another issue no matter how small it is. An unexpected earthquake or other disaster in the wrong spot suddenly can cause irreparable damage that would permanently irradiate an area for hundreds of years (thousands of years maybe?)... Meanwhile, yes we need to recycle solar panels, but keep in mind we need to recycle A LOT of things and recycling that needs to be part of our plan regardless. This country produces so much food and e-waste it's ridiculous. Solar panels last like 30 years or longer and that technology is just getting better and better and the newer solar panels last much longer than previous ones. A solar panel pretty much has the same lifespan as a nuclear plant without the enormous costs in building and maintaining that plant. Bottom line is that it seems to me that investing and furthering solar technology is a far safer and cost effective path than building more nuclear plants that are far more dangerous to test and develop and has NEVER shown to be cost effective even after all of these decades. Nuclear energy cannot exist without huge subsidies, meanwhile small businesses can get into solar and wind without a huge investment. The entire country can put it's mind share around solar technology, the same can't be said for nuclear which has a FAR higher barrier to entry.
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  7607.  @cohenpeter  There is no study showing any kind of protective factor when it comes to covid vaccines and the immunocompromised. Assuming there is such a study is just based on a bias not science. Delta transmissibility was only 30% lower in households according to a UK study, and that was only in households where they were fully vaccinated within 2 months after that 2-month period there was far less difference between vaccinated and unvaccinated. In fact, they showed that even though someone may not show symptoms when they are vaccinated. Their viral loads and ability to shed the virus was identical to someone completely unvaccinated. The main difference was that the virus survived in vaccinated persons for a shorter period. Which means you can surround someone immunocompromised with vaccinated people and that person can still get infected which actually happened to a relative of mine who is currently hospitalized. However, "the left" ignored those studies and continued to push a narrative that only the unvaccinated spread the virus when that was completely untrue. They even created policies and mandates around this idea, when it was never true. The 20,000 fully vaccinated people that were hospitalized in NY as of Jan 1st is not "a few". Yes. the 1.5% hospitalization rate for unvaccinated is technically 7 times larger than the 0.2% rate for fully vaccinated, but both are pretty small numbers. Especially when compared to Delta or the original strain. I just don't think it's worth pointing fingers and getting into a culture war battle over it. Do you think anyone is actually influenced by being turned into a political caricature? I'm not giving equal weight to any side. Just pointing out that there is a clear bias that is being ignored. When you ignore that bias then people feel like they are being lied to and gaslit.
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  7691. ​@@Wow2wow2wow I read two articles on the topic and they both said what I already knew. That the company was fined for hiring underaged workers and the company claims they misrepresented their age, that it wasn't their policy and that the people involved were fired. Now if you have a source that contains actual evidence on their alleged "abuse of workers" then please share it. Otherwise I can only go based on what I know. --"So you think capitalism is exploitive but also the people being exploited are responsible for their exploitation?" I think we're all exploited, but that doesn't change the reality of what I said. Nor does it automatically make a company evil for offering to pay people for work. We're all participating in this system and we're not going to magically change it anytime soon. However in this case you're making up "abuse" and "exploitation" just to make your points seem more valid. --"what you're suggesting is literally not an alternative, it is the current status quo." I'm trying to figure out the best outcome given the situation. You're suggesting that it's okay to send families into poverty as long as it matches your ideals. --"You have spent this entire conversation unironically ignoring anything that isn't let these kids keep working." I have spent this entire conversation asking what is best for these families given the situation. You have spent the entire conversation not really giving a crap. Literally saying that it's better for them to be unemployed without even caring what they think. --" Especially when that company dropped them on a dime when the investigation began." What do you expect them to do exactly? They got in trouble for people hiring immigrants they aren't allowed to hire. Should they keep those people employed and get shut down by the government? --"Poverty is being poor and being poor is poverty. Just separating the two with some text doesn't separate them as concepts." They are separate concepts. I suggest you look into that, and the poverty rate for immigrants is more than double that for US citizens. It's something to consider when you think about casually firing people without providing an alternative.
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  7951. Really Briahna? 😂Sure, because the green party has accomplished SO much in the past 30 years, right? The Democrats may not have enough votes, but the Green Party literally has non-existent votes. How many decades do you want to sit around accomplishing nothing while giving the Republicans super majorities to roll back our rights even further? Because I can guarantee that a national abortion ban is coming next once Republicans take total power, but you're willing to let that happen because you're mad at some of the corrupt Democrats. The bottom line is we do not have ranked choice voting in this country instead we have a "winner take all system" which eventually leads to two major parties. We also don't have proportional representation and other mechanisms that were created in later democracies. The only choice is to take over one of the existing parties which has been done many times in the past. Even Ralph Nader admitted that Bernie Sanders was right when he ran for president in the Democratic Party. Meanwhile Ralp Nader was just blamed for giving us Gorge Bush for 8 years because he ran as a Green Party candidate in 2000 and took some votes away from Gore. The progressive coalition has been building in the Democratic party and has started to weld real power. it is undeniable that Bernie Sanders started a movement in 2016 that has been slowly building in the Democratic party over the past 6 years. Yes, there are setbacks like Nina Turner, but you would have to be incredibly naive to not know that Nina Turner would have lost just as badly, if not worse, running in the Green Party. It's not like the Democratic/Republican establishment, and the money behind them, simply ignores you because your party affiliation has changed.
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  8088. True morality is SUSTAINABILITY... Looking at how much it takes to grow a cow and thinking the only answer is going vegan is pretty dumb. There are some animals (like rabbits & goats) that are far more sustainable than many vegetable crops. Furthermore most plants don't get fertilized from magic they rely on animals because that's how these things evolved. Today most of our industrialized crops rely on petrochemicals (fossil fuel) based fertilizers and insecticides because these huge profitable yet unsustainable mono-crops that we created can only survive that way. What happens when we run out of oil? The reality is we grow our vegetables in the same horrible and unsustainable ways that we grow our animals. It's just that the effects are less. The true answer is permaculture and creating ecosystems where many varieties of plants and animals can flourish and support each other, as well as changing the types of foods that we eat to include rabbits, goats, and possibly even insects, many of the things we evolved hunting quite frankly, instead of just steaks, cheese, burgers, wheat, & corn. If your morality centers around "not killing creatures similar to me" then you're basically being an arrogant asshole who thinks that the rest of the animal kingdom is (by your own definition) immoral... Life consumes life, that is the law of this planet. Eventually you're going to figure out that plants also express themselves in ways that are very similar to animals. You're also going to figure out that bacteria are capable of "learning" and doing things that we didn't think were possible. Then what? You're going to survive on sunlight and water then? Maybe we should just acknowledge that we're all just animals and that even though we've evolved to build tribes and communities with other humans to survive, that it is ridiculous to apply the same survival mechanism to every animal, plant, and bacteria on this planet. It is arrogant, dangerous, and counter productive to do so. Instead we should respect all life in the same way Native Americans respected all life who understood balance with the land that when you take something you should also give back. The reality is we want to treat the earth like our bitch while we go to church and be nice to cute fuzzy animals so that we can feel good about ourselves. You can't complain about treating animals like machines and then turn around and treat plants like machines and pretend that it's "better". It's not better, it's the same bullshit. We can't keep doing the same shit indefinitely with unfettered growth of the human population
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  8281. There were dozens of arrests as a result of Mueller and the FBI's investigation so if you're claiming that "Russiagate was BS" you really need to be specific. Otherwise you just sound foolish. Furthermore, it is a well known fact that Trump received a LOT of money from Russian Oligarchs and there was an implication that he was laundering money for them. Which EVERYONE knew at the time of Mueller's investigation. You also knew this so stop pretending as if Trump's shady businesses practices were not related to the Russia investigation.. They ABSOLUTELY were related because it was the only motivation that Trump would have to be so submissive to Russian financial interests. Keep in mind everything that Trump blocked when it came to Russian foreign policy was related to Russian FINANCIAL INTERESTS. That's why it was so frustrating when you would point out Trump going against Russian interest militarily when that was never the issue. The problem is you could not PROVE the illegal behavior in Trump's business ties without a thorough investigation of the Trump Organization which was going to take time. Keep in mind there was a lot redacted in Mueller's report related to ongoing investigations that was never disclosed. So trying to impeach Trump on business ties without concrete evidence was just going to look like people trying to impeach trump for being rich. Without concrete evidence everything would be circumstantial. Trump had business deal with the Saudis and then made a weapons deal with the Saudis as president, so what? A bunch of other presidents made weapons deals with the Saudis, it's not enough to prove anything.
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  8329. It only took a minute for you to contradict yourself. "Women have always sought abortions" then 30 seconds later "humans have mostly never existed with the option to terminate unwanted pregnancies". Gee I'm pretty sure the archeological record of the NUMEROUS ways people tried to terminate pregnancies would disagree with you (even written on Egyptian Papyrus), as well as the multiple methods that humans used to attempt contraception. Certainly, the way we terminate a pregnancy today is FAR better than the dangerous methods employed back then and sometimes people would literally dispose of babies after giving birth when there was no medical option. The rest of your diatribe attempts to draw a correlation to things where there is likely no causation. As far as corporations, sure an abortion is far less costly than maternity leave or childcare and that probably goes into the calculous of whether a company will offer that or not, but let's not pretend that women are deciding to have children and start a family based on whether a company pays for abortions or not. The idea that women have no agency for themselves and make decisions based on frivolous things is pretty absurd. Women are not children. They are capable of making moral or life changing decisions for themselves without the intervention of state policy telling them what they are allowed to do with their own bodies. Also "alienation" has nothing to do with corporations offering to pay for their employee's abortions any more than free coffee in the breakroom. If you want to criticize "company provided healthcare" in general and how corporate health coverage and family plans are often used to shackle employees to their jobs then I'm here for it, but it is disingenuous to take a single benefit from a company's health coverage and pretend it is something manipulative.
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  8603.  @bajanworldstar5636  Of course I'm aware but unlike you I looked into it beyond just a surface level. Bursima is a "holding company", in other words a company that owns other companies. It's basically a financial entity, they are not drilling oil. 😂This is something that Hunter had experience in because he created multiple holding companies in the past. Was being Biden's son a factor? Of course, nepotism pretty much runs the world. Just like Trump's kids had no business being White House advisors. And Kushner was too shady to get security clearance until daddy Trump stepped in. I suggest you look into the prosecutor Victor Shokin. He was known to be a corrupt prosecutor. You can find numerous articles wrtten back then where The IMF, World Bank, and most of the world wanted that prosecutor fired because he WAS NOT investigating Burisma and other corruption by Russian oligarchs. There were literally protests against him and his own deputy prosecutor complained about him slow walking investigations. THAT is why Biden openly bragging about helping to get rid of him (Which was an exaggeration and not actually true), because it was official US policy. It wasn't some fake investigation run by a personal lawyer trying to dig up dirt on an opponent before an election. Stop blindly following the cooperate media narrative that is handed to you. You think you're informed by listening to TV pundits lying to you, but you're actually not, you're just a drone following the conservative narrative.
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  8631.  @makelvin  --"nowhere does it defines UBI must be paid on a monthly basis." Yang does. He specifically defines it as a monthly income people can live on and replace safety nets. Even in your own link you conveniently neglected this part: " Automatic: Someone's basic income would be automatically paid weekly or monthly into a bank account or similar." Again, you pretended to care about policy details and now you don't.. The Alaska dividend is not an income that anyone can rely on for rent and the amount fluctuates each year. Yang's policy hasn't been implemented anywhere by any country at any point. --"Because I don't have a real need for the healthcare situation; I am less likely to see it with a biased lens". Sure just like people who buy off politicians and are completely separated from the needs of the working class are SO unbiased right?... Sorry but you are not somehow more informed on an issue that you have absolutely no stake in. I think I'll trust the Nurses Union over your uninformed opinion. --"I just don't think he think things through enough about how realistic something is." Bernie Sanders is the only one with an actual detailed bill. Whereas you're relying on nothing but platitudes. So please spare me with your fake assertions on being practical when all you're doing is interpreting Yang's good intentions and "spirit" of M4A. 😂 I'll listen to someone who has an actual plan not someone like you who is indifferent to the tens of thousands who die each year because "you've got yours" and don't need to worry about it.
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  8632.  @makelvin  Again, nowhere has Yang's UBI been implemented anywhere in the world. Again, Alaska's dividend is not anywhere close to what Yang wants to do and is not an example of Yang's UBI. These are facts. --"You are confusing with details with thoughtfulness." Someone who has spent decades thinking out a detailed plan for the country is indeed being thoughtful even if people like you are unable to see it because you simply don't care, are uninformed, and have no stake in the issue. --" I kept saying Yang is implementing the actual existing Medicare are making it available to all." Again, your beliefs and wishful thinking is not reality. --"The rest of Yang detail healthcare plan is about reducing the root cause of driving up the healthcare cost" M4A will reduce over 5 trillion in costs over 10 years by getting rid of huge administrative costs of insurance companies. Not to mention giving more leverage to negotiate all costs in the system, not just drug prices. All other plans that rely on leaving the insurance infrastructure in place will actually increase costs over M4A. You're confusing details with generic surface level statements that have NO DETAILS. You think Yang is being thoughtful, but he's actually not. He's saying the same vague crap on reducing costs that politicians have said for decades. Obama literally made similar statements during his campaign. First off I care more about thousands of LIVES over thousands of jobs. Sorry, but I'm not going to let someone's family member die to save a job at an insurance company. Second, the #1 cause of bankruptcy in this country is medical debt. You literally have 1-2 million people who are impacted by medical bankruptcy each year. Third, it is harder for small businesses to compete with large businesses because of health insurance costs. They don't have the numbers to get the same plans that large businesses have. M4A gives more freedom to the economic engine of small businesses This is just a few of the many things you're entirely ignorant about because you "don't have to worry" about your healthcare....
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  8671. @Christopher Bradley First off the viewership of people like Rush Limbaugh was ALWAYS exaggerated. The last time Rush Limbaugh had any actual influence or a significant viewership was over two decades ago. After that it was Fox News just pretending that Rush had influence, but since then Fox News has been the one with real influence. The only reason why Alex Jones had a spike in viewers recently is because he had the ear of Donald Trump and he went on his show a couple times. It never had anything to do with their ideas. The problem with Jimmy is that he throws his anger everywhere... He throws it at Democrats more often than he does Trump. Anger without context doesn't really accomplish anything. People who are just angry at everything and pretend that a 3rd party is the only answer and don't get engaged politically in any kind of meaningful way because they are jaded, are useless "votes" to go after because people like that aren't interested in voting FOR anything. The reason why Rush and Fox News were successful is because they got their viewers to vote AGAINST something and support the Republican no matter what. Jimmy didn't care if Trump won or not, he really didn't support Bernie Sanders much at all. He mainly sat around bitching about everything and even going as far as saying that Clinton was worse than Trump... That message causes people STAY HOME on election day rather than DO SOMETHING. Unfocused anger is not something that we need. It only gets us people like Trump.
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  9123. 12227UserName. Immigrants are Immigrants regardless of the paperwork. So I’m guessing you’ve never Jaywalked, drove over the speed limit, or consumed an illegal substance in your entire life huh? The bottom line is you’re okay with other families getting screwed over who aren’t harming you in any way and using the law to justify it. Net immigration has been down for years (in some years it’s been negative), the only reason you think it’s an issue today is because Trump told you to hate immigrants and some pundit sold you the argument.... Prices are actually LOWER because of illegal immigrants and most of the agriculture in this entirely dependent on illegal immigrant labor. Try talking to a farmer about how their prices would change if they couldn’t hire illegal immigrants.... and of course when food prices change so do the prices of other products. Furthermore most illegal immigrants contribute more in taxes than they ever get back in benefits. Over half of illegal immigrants even pay federal taxes. What you have been told about illegal immigrants are nothing but lies in order to make you afraid of “the other”, so that a slimy politician can get elected on your fear and screw over a bunch of families, kids, and students who are only making a life for themselves like everyone else. LOL... you say “multiculturalism” as if it’s somehow a bad thing. In case you didn’t realize it the US is a melting pot. We wouldn’t have things like pizza, hamburgers, hotdogs, tacos, fortune cookies, and French fries if we weren’t constantly taking in ideas from other cultures and if people weren’t coming from other countries and incorporating ideas from their country into our melting pot. It’s sadly another thing someone told you to be afraid of. No one is forcing you to eat that taco. Yes unemployment goes up and down, but at least you’ve now looked into it so you know that the downward trend started well before Obama left office. You now know that Trump is lying to you when he’s tries to shamelessly take credit for it.
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  9124. 12227UserName Immigrants are Immigrants regardless of the paperwork. So I’m guessing you’ve never Jaywalked, drove over the speed limit, or consumed an illegal substance in your entire life huh? The bottom line is you’re okay with other families getting screwed over who aren’t harming you in any way and using the law to justify it. Net immigration has been down for years (in some years it’s been negative), the only reason you think it’s an issue today is because Trump told you to hate immigrants and some pundit sold you the argument.... Prices are actually LOWER because of illegal immigrants and most of the agriculture in this country is entirely dependent on illegal immigrant labor. Try talking to a farmer about how their prices would change if they couldn’t hire illegal immigrants.... and of course when food prices change so do the prices of other products. Furthermore most illegal immigrants contribute more in taxes than they ever get back in benefits. Over half of illegal immigrants even pay federal taxes. What you have been told about illegal immigrants are nothing but lies in order to make you afraid of “the other”, so that a slimy politician can get elected on your fear and screw over a bunch of families, kids, and students who are only making a life for themselves like everyone else. LOL... you say “multiculturalism” as if it’s somehow a bad thing. In case you didn’t realize it the US is a melting pot. We wouldn’t have things like pizza, hamburgers, hotdogs, tacos, fortune cookies, and French fries if we weren’t constantly taking in ideas from other cultures and if people weren’t coming from other countries and incorporating ideas from their country into our melting pot. It’s sadly another thing someone told you to be afraid of. No one is forcing you to eat that taco. Yes unemployment goes up and down, but at least you’ve now looked into it so you know that the downward trend started well before Obama left office. You now know that Trump is lying to you when he’s tries to shamelessly take credit for it.
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  9125. 12227UserName Sorry I base my views on facts not anecdotes and since you aren’t providing anything for anyone to verify your claims all I can say is that statistically the crime rate is far immigrants, including illegal immigrants is far lower than for citizens. Again, the illegal immigration rate has been zero and less than zero for years. So I’m not going to sit here and pretend that your irrational fears are anything other than a knee jerk reaction to a politician’s fear mongering to win votes. “OMG!!! There are more Hispanic people around.” “OMG!!! People are speaking Spanish somewhere!” Sorry, but these things aren’t scary to me like they are to you apparently.... I don’t care that there are Hispanic, Indian, Asian, etc. people around. Like I said, no one is forcing you to eat that taco or slice of pizza. We don’t have this irrational fear of “the other” like you people do. You cannot find any serious economic study that shows that we have an illegal immigrant problem, because it’s nothing more than a manufactured wedge issue designed to get people like you to vote out of fear. I don’t know why you would lie to me like that... Either that or you’re listening to people who are lying to you. According to the Bureau of Labor Statistics, Black unemployment was 7.8% when Trump took office and as of March 2018 it was 6.8% After Obama took office following the economic crash under Bush it rose as high as 16.8% so yes the recovery under Obama was quite significant. It’s amazing to me how Trump has tricked you people into giving him credit for it.
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  9126. 12227UserName Sorry, but I base my views on facts not anecdotes and since you aren’t providing anything that anyone could use to verify your claims all I can say is that statistically the crime rate for immigrants, including illegal immigrants, is far lower than for citizens. Again, the illegal immigration rate has been zero and less than zero for years. In other words..... More illegal immigrants were leaving than entering the country before Trump got elected. So I’m not going to sit here and pretend that your irrational fears are anything other than a knee jerk reaction to a politician’s fear mongering to win votes. “OMG!!! There are more Hispanic people around.” “OMG!!! People are speaking Spanish somewhere!” Sorry, but these things aren’t scary to me like they are to you apparently.... I don’t care that there are Hispanic, Indian, Asian, etc. people around. Like I said, no one is “forcing” you to eat that burrito, taco, or slice of pizza. We don’t have this irrational fear of “the other” like you people do. You cannot find any serious economic study that shows that we have an illegal immigrant problem, because it’s nothing more than a manufactured wedge issue designed to get people like you to vote out of fear. I don’t know why you would lie to me like that... Either that or you’re listening to people who are lying to you. According to the Bureau of Labor Statistics, Black unemployment was 7.8% when Trump took office and as of March 2018 it was 6.9% After Obama took office following the economic crash under Bush it rose as high as 16.8% so yes the recovery under Obama was quite significant. It’s amazing to me how Trump has tricked you people into giving him credit for it.
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  9341. Kyle is a bit more right, but really you're all fucking wrong. 1. Fran Lebowitz is an idiot. Claiming that Bernie Sanders is a narcissist compared to a woman whose been running for president for two decades is just a moronic statement. You have no policy complaints so you attack a person's character. I was embarrassed for her when I watched that. 2. Bill Maher is right in that there are a lot of liberals (and yes that includes you Kyle) where they make the perfect the enemy of the good. The bottom line is if Hillary Clinton was president we wouldn't be banning Transgender people from the military, exiting the Paris climate accords (we would be talking about investing more in green technology), preventing the EPA from using climate science or using the phrase "climate change", had a muslim ban, we wouldn't cause panic for millions of people by resending DACA, emboldening racists and xenophobes all across this country, waving our dick at North Korea every 5 minutes, a real threat to a repeal of Obamacare which will fucking KILL PEOPLE. So please stop pretending as if Hillary Clinton presidency would be no different, it is fucking moronic. 3. Salaman Rushdie is right in that we really need to stop being obsessed over Clinton vs Sanders and the 2016 primaries. I was a Bernie Supporter before most people even knew who the fuck he was and there is absolutely no evidence to say that Bernie would have magically won the primary if it weren't for those pesky establishment democrats!... The fact is she was way ahead in the primaries before any of that happened and it was for the same reason that Trump was ahead, NAME RECOGNITION. They were both celebrities and people recognized the names. That's why they won the primary. However here you a year later still bitching about it as if there is nothing else going on in the world. You're projecting your own bias in thinking that being a progressive automatically means you will win. Keeping it real, there really isn't any evidence for it. Yeah the polls have shown that people prefer liberal policies for over a decade now, it doesn't magically mean that a progressive can easily to win elections. People vote with their emotions more than their heads. Bitching about the 2016 primary for the next 3 years only plays into Trump's hands. Hate to break it to you but other than Bernie Sanders there is no perfect candidate. If he doesn't run and we get someone else. You'r purity tests are just going to give us a another 4 years of Trump.
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  9624.  @tonysmith6967  Okay, that is "something."... However there's still no action on reducing or eliminating the military industrial complex which is supposed to be her main issue....right? AOC literally just got there so you're comparing a bill someone introduced after being in congress for over 3 years vs someone whose been there for 3 months.... Furthermore AOC and Bernie Sanders are working on the Green New Deal. It's far more comprehensive and massive than what Tulsi proposed and it's going to require a LOT of support, as well as an election to get passed. Think about it... Why do you even know about the Green New Deal? Why do you think it's something that everyone has been talking about? Why do you think Pelosi and others have been putting together panels to work on it and discuss it? Because AOC along with Sanders have been effective at branding, getting the message out, and gathering support. I'm not up AOC's ass. To be honest I wasn't on the AOC train until very recently, but I had to admit that she's been far more effective than I ever imagined and she's using that spotlight to highlight the most progressive ideas and polices. Meanwhile no one knows or gives a shit about the "Off Fuel Act". I hate to be blunt, but it is what it is. If you can't gather support for your cause or rally the country and congress behind it, then your idea is dead. Yes I know Medicare for all was Sander's idea. He's been talking about this concept LONG before he decided to run for president. Which is why Sander's won my vote over a decade ago. I want leaders for progressive ideas not someone jumping on the bandwagon and then deciding to run for president after a couple years in congress. DEMONSTRATE that you have what it takes to actually get your ideas through Congress as Bernie, Warren have done, as AOC is now doing. Again look at Tulsi Gabbard's twitter feed and you'll see it's mostly about fundraising and running for presidential. Look at Sanders, AOC, Warren, etc. feed and it's mostly about the ISSUES.
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  10091. The ignorance on this is amazing to me. There have already been numerous studies shows that natural infection is as good or better than being fully vaccinated and boosted. Such as the Cleveland clinic study that followed thousands of hospital works since the start of the pandemic. The fact that people are still pretending that the science is not available on this is pretty disturbing. It goes to show that the marketing push for vaccinations during the pandemic was so extreme it pushed pretty much anything else out. Yes getting vaccinated on top of an infection gives you additional protection, but that "additional protection" is marginal and it is unlikely that the extra protection is long lived. In any case If you're not immunocompromised a subsequent infection is going to be much milder than the first. The bottom line is, if you've recovered from Covid, you're not going to die from it later in life. All vaccines do is trick the body into thinking it is infected so that it creates and immune response to it. Guess what? the same thing happens when you're actually infected. Furthermore a variant specific vaccine isn't guaranteed to have any better effects than what we have, because previous variant specific vaccines were not found to be more effective and there is something called "original antigenic sin" where your body may reject variant specific antibodies anyway if you've been exposed to the original Covid variant. The profit motive really needs to be taken out of our healthcare system.
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  10161.  @maximmatusevich3971  My point on Libya is that the argument on the left is about saving lives. It's the same argument for Darfor. The argument on the Right is about asserting power and pre-emptive action. The Right didn't care about the hundreds of thousands of Iraqis that were killed, we did. The Right doesn't care that the US is supporting Saudi Arabia's war (genocide) in Yemen, we do, The Right doesn't care that we occupied Iraq for years, we did. The Right didn't care that we were planning a war with Iran, we did. The right didn't care when Trump left the Iranian peace deal, we were screaming about it. The right didn't care when we did air strikes on Iran or assassinated one of their top leaders, we did. The right doesn't care about drone strikes killing hundreds of civilians each year, we do. And we cared about it under Bush, Obama, and Trump. My point wasn't whether Libya was the correct action or not, it was the motivations behind it and the fact that you are drawing a false equivalency between the "liberal" support for military action vs the right wing support for military actions. You're trying to say that every situation is the same and that is not the case. The fact is we got in and we got out of Libya, we did it with the support and cooperation of other nations, and we left on good terms. This is not the same as Iraq, Afghanistan, or Venezuela. --"According to a 2012 poll conducted by Gallup, 54% of Libyans approve of U.S. leadership, compared to only 22% and 19% respective approval for China and Russia's, and 75% of Libyans say they approved of NATO's military intervention in the civil war."
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  10162.  @maximmatusevich3971  As far as voting goes. In 2016 Russian's infiltrated political organizations, manipulated social media, created "fake news", and had a massive hacking operation that hacked both the RNC and DNC (although only the DNC emails were leaked) and hacked voting machines themselves. Google: "Russia Targeted Election Systems in All 50 States, Report Finds". Dozens of indictments were made and a lot of Russian diplomats died suddenly after the 2016 election. All of our intelligence agencies confirmed the meddling that was taking place however The right pretended that any concerns over Russia were all lies and made up, because it benefited Trump to ignore it. And now you pretend that the only fraud and hacking that could have occurred is ONLY to benefit Biden. It's absurd.... The difference is we let whatever investigation take place if there is any merit to it, because we care about the truth. We don't pretend every investigation that doesn't benefit us is a hoax. All anyone on the left ever asks for is to count every vote and to not disenfranchise voters. Which happens every single election. Brian Kemp literally kicked hundreds of thousand of likely Democratic voters off the rolls just before his election. A lot of companies are connected to right wing pundits and politicians as well. The difference is we don't automatically discount information just because of some "connection". FusionGPS was originally hired by a right wing media outlet to do opposition research on Trump before the Clinton campaign. You guys have no problem with Trump, or the Right wing, paying for opposition research, which they do all the time, yet somehow it automatically becomes nefarious when the same thing is done by Clinton.
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  10184.  @robe2504  It's actually not difficult to find the limits. Rights end where other people's rights begin. Prohibition was all about forcing people to not harm themselves with alcohol. It was wrong then and it is wrong now. Using force in this way has always been authoritarian in my opinion. It's very typical, and basic human behavior. to want to ban things that you don't participate in. I'm sure most people in New Zealand don't smoke so it easy to ban cigarettes. Change the topic to alcohol, desserts, fast food, sausages, or driving cars and suddenly no one wants to ban those things regardless of health implications. It's entirely hypocritical. Same reason why gay marriage was unheard of for some many decades, because it only impacted a minority. Personally, I've never drank alcohol, smoked, or wanted to gay marry anyone. but I've always found laws banning alcohol sales, drugs, gay marriage, etc. to be completely insane. In my mind you're either for freedom and autonomy or you're not. --"a company would be able to put a new product on the market if it was known to be toxic, addictive and dangerous?" Protecting people from toxic substances they don't know about is entirely different than protecting people from their own wishes and desires. For example, a toxic food additive should be regulated. However, warnings about consuming bleach, or cigarettes, should be on labels. I've done various activities like snowboarding and skydiving which can be very dangerous. Should I also be banned from endangering myself? Should all dangerous activities be banned? In my mind the "limits" are far harder to define when you go down this path.
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  10746.  @antondevonlh  They studies are actually not "new". The second one is months old and has been republished. Any study on the vaccines is far newer than the numerous studies on the actual infection. The Lancet study was done back in March. You can find a dozen studies confirming lasting immunity prior to infection going back well over a year. Last summer people were unsure how long immunity would last, but it's been repeatedly confirmed since then. People who recovered from Covid were (And still are) donating plasma to help others recover from Covid. So the idea that this is some kind new or unstudied phenomena is complete BS. People are still producing antibodies well over a year later this has long been confirmed. I confirmed my own antibodies with a blood test recently. Again, I'm not advocating that people don't get vaccinated so your point about mutations is entirely moot. The rest of the world not having access to vaccines, particularly the global south, is the reason we have variants today. So if you want to stop variants you would be talking to Biden about releasing vaccine patents. However it is a fact that vaccinations are showing decreased effectiveness over time against the variants which isn't being shown in the same way with people who recovered from Covid. In fact Israel is recommending booster shots for those who have been vaccinated for this very reason. So for all we know current vaccines may just be a stop gap to a more permanent solution. If we're not tracking people who recovered then we're just being really dumb. I don't think it's a "deep state conspiracy". I think people are just so far up their own behinds with partisan politics that they stopped thinking.
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  10787.  @alienzenx  LOL.... John McCain's military record was far more impressive, that doesn't mean I'd vote for him for president. Again, you're persuaded by nonsense. --"As for the TYT pledge, why on earth should she pander to TYT? LOL... Here's where the excuses start. Because the pledge isn't about TYT it's about PROGRESSIVES and our agenda. The question you should be asking yourself is why wouldn't she pander to progressives if she claims to be one? She can show up and pander at the Iowa State Fair and eat effing corn on a stick and yet she can't be bothered to pander to her supposed "base"? WTF is wrong with you? Seriously. --"As you pointed out, she has already said what her position is on the issues, why is that not good enough?" Because signing the pledge means that you're actually held accountable (politically) as opposed to just playing lip service. This is why the Grover Norquist tax pledge was so effective in the Republican party. It just means that you and Tulsi care more about lip service than keeping promises. Bernie isn't in favor of BDS however he's voted against any bill banning it, and he's spoken out on the situation with the Palestinians far more than ANY politician running today. You're acting like a brainwashed pundit at this point. I would put Bernie's 50 year record over Tulsi's 5 year record any day. YEARS after Elizabeth Warren became a Democrat and was actively fighting for consumer protections for bankruptcy. Tulsi was still part of an anti-gay hate group who were fighting against LGBT rights, promoting gay conversion therapy, and even protested against civil unions.... You care what Warren's label was in the early 90's but you don't seem to care that Tulsi was acting like a Republican and fighting against gay rights in the 2000s.... wow.... your hypocrisy here is unreal.... Meanwhile Bernie was fighting FOR gay rights all the way back in the 80s.
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  10788. ​ @alienzenx  I'm arguing pretty clearly and plainly here dude... Why don't you actually address the issues I brought up instead of just getting immature and pretending that I'm somehow misrepresenting something? --"You are parroting things that you have obviously not come up with yourself, and swallowed them without any critical examination." Google the word "Projection", because this is a perfect example. 😂 Everything I brought up on Tulsi are things that I researched myself. Everything you have brought up are basic bullet points from her campaign speeches. --"What is the basis of your irrational hatred of Tulsi? " When did I ever say I "hated" Tulsi Gabbard?.... I have given you the NUMEROUS reasons why I don't trust her as a candidate. I have also said my opinion of her could change if she remains consistent over time. However I am not going to be persuaded by pretty words over concrete plans and a track record, sorry. It doesn't matter if it's Tulsi, Biden, Buttigieg, Beto, Kamela, etc. Are you new to politics or something? Why don't you get that? What is your basis for your irrational support for Tulsi? You are going out of your way to defend any and all criticism against her. Why is that? There is absolutely no issue that Bernie isn't better on or has a longer track record for. That even includes being anti-war. For years Sanders has had plans to defund our excessive military spending as opposed to just talking about peace. I have yet to hear Tulsi go as far as saying she will defund the military and I doubt she ever will.
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  11011.  Mike C  Just to be clear I simply copied and pasted what was on Bernie's website to clarify his positions on "money in politics". I agree with those positions, but they are not my words. My interpretation is that the idea of "small dollar donations" is currently popular in Democratic campaigns. So I believe it is just a marketing tactic to say that with public financing those who give small dollar donations today will have more influence when elections are publicly financed tomorrow. Effectively amplifying the effect of what we call "small dollar donations" today, even though it's much more accurate to say it allows elections to be financed by the masses instead of a few. The problem with Voter ID is that it's never paid for. If the GOP supported a national id card that wouldn't cost anything and be automatically assigned to everyone in the country, that would be one thing, but they're not... For them having a "pay wall" or other hindrance to voting is something they're perfectly okay with. It suppresses just enough people to make a difference. And again people voting more than once or voting as someone else is something so rare that spending tens of billions to fix compared to all the other problems in our voting system (hacking vulnerabilities, ballot tampering, not enough polling locations, people unable to get to a polling location, long lines, etc.) just seems like misplaced priorities.... Is it really a democracy if 20% or more of the population can't vote for a variety of reasons compared to the maybe 5 or so cases every year of in-person voter fraud? (most of which usually turn out to be simple mistakes). Determining which is worse for democracy is just basic math. Also with better transit systems, Uber, self driving cars, other personal electric transportation (bikes, scooters), etc. I would imagine that fewer people will have driver's licenses in the future. Especially those living in cities. Personally I rarely drive my car.
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  11153.  Bobs & Vagana  Surgeons, nurses, etc. have been wearing masks for the past 100 years or so specifically to protect patents from the pathogens coming out of their mouths and noses. Which is the same reason why we wear masks in the middle of a pandemic. This isn't a new or made up or anything. Masks are for protect others and slowing the spread, where it is likely to happen (indoors), they are not primarily for protecting *you*. Even a bad mask will at least slow the stream of air coming out of your mouth, so the droplets containing the virus don't travel as far from your body. Now if you're trying to protect yourself, then yes, something that is designed to filter pathogens from air with a tight seal around your face is going to better than a cloth mask. However even a cloth mask will at least slow some of the virus from entering your body and decrease your viral load. So if you're exposed, you'll still get infected but since your viral load is lower, it is easier for your immune system to keep up with it. In other words, if you're wearing say an n95 mask then getting 5% of those virus particles entering your body is far better than getting 100% and having your immune system completely overrun. Asian countries have been wearing masks during flu seasons ever since the Spanish flu and because of that culture, their deaths per capita during this pandemic have been a fraction of ours. The question isn't whether masks work or not, the question is how best to handle a virus that is becoming endemic.
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  11257. There was NOTHING "transparently quid pro quo" I remember the exact arguments Kyle was making. For example his claim was that the reason the US made a weapons deal with Saudi Arabia was because some Saudi princes had given to the Clinton Foundation once. Nevermind the fact that: 1.The US has been pro Saudi Arabia and making weapons deals with Saudi Arabia for DECADES (Trump did a another huge one months after getting into office). 2. The Secretary of State doesn't somehow have the power to unilaterally make weapons deals with foreign governments without the president or joint chiefs. 3.You don't even get money from a "non-profit" unless you're actually employed by that "non-profit". Yet somehow in Kyle's mind it was an open and shut case of quid pro quo. However when it comes to Trump and the fact that they changed the RNC platform to be pro-Russia, selected Rex Tillerson out of nowhere to be secretary of state, voiced the desire to lift the sanctions (but was blocked by congress from doing so). Paul Manafort (who worked for the Kremlin and had no reason to suddenly be a campaign manager), Mike Flynn, and ALL of Trumps numerous business connections to the Russian Oligarchs and Mafia, we're to believe that this is a non-story... I don't give a shit if some democrats raised the Russia issue once. To ignore evidence because of hate for Hillary is despicable.... It makes you a "hack". And speaking of hacking, a local exploit doesn't somehow exclude Russia from the hacking, that's just pure cherry picking from Kyle. Picking one story while ignoring DOZENS of others. Regardless, you don't leak from the DNC and not the RNC unless you have a specific political agenda. People pretend as if emails from the RNC (Who were actively trying to rewrite rules to get rid of Trump) wouldn't be worse than the emails from the DNC.
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  11307. Dammit Kyle. I dislike Jeff Sessions with a passion, but you're going to make me defend him here, because you're making a dumb ass straw man argument and I hate that bullshit. Jeff Sessions DID NOT SAY "all chronic pain patients should tough it out". He SPECIFICALLY SAID that SOME people need to take aspirin sometimes and the specific example he used was a hand surgery. NOT SOMEONE WITH CHRONIC PAIN. And you know what? HE'S FUCKING RIGHT.... Why? Because he's not talking about people with chronic debilitating pain he's talking about people like ME. Last year I broke my wrist and I needed to get surgery. The doctors and nurses were constantly trying to dose me with the strongest pain medication they had even though I didn't need it. They were so used to people asking them for meds that the entire hospital was just numb to the idea of keeping people constantly medicated. It got so bad that had to refuse medication a couple times. When the doctor handed me a prescription for more pain meds he finally said to me. "You know, most like you'll be fine with just Tylenol" and he was RIGHT. I got some Tylenol and that was all I needed, even after my wrist surgery all I needed some Tylenol for the first few days and I was fine. However you have people who get pain medications overprescribed because they're handing them out like candy and then they get addicted to them Jeff Sessions here was not talking about chronic pain patients, or 3rd world countries lacking medication, he was specially referring to people who are over prescribed pain medications and get hooked on them as a result. Stop making up bullshit arguments that were never said.
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  11400. If you think all studies have a "political agenda" before you've even looked at them then that's the real problem here.... Furthermore how do you know that you're not being fed bullshit information? You "know blacks are pulled over in certain areas more than whites" so why wouldn't you ALSO think that they are arrested more or killed more? That would be consistent right? There are more whites in this country than blacks so OF COURSE they should be arrested more and killed more. That's why we say that blacks are killed, arrested, convicted, and given longer prison sentences for the same crime "disproportionately" or at a "higher rate". This is basic percentages man. Obviously the concerning part is the fact that the rate is *higher*. Here are the stories that I know off the top of my head: There was a white homeless man shot because officers didn't want him camping where he was, there was a white man killed (shot in by a woman police officer) for seemingly reaching for something when all he was doing was trying to get up or something. There was a white teenage boy shot by a police officer because he was caught trying to pick up some weed and when he tried to drive away the office shot into the car. The last one was actually talked about by BLM, but no one cared. MLK always talked about the struggles of the white poor along with the black people. You've heard of the old quote during the Nazi regime: "First they came for the Socialists, and I said nothing. Then they came for the Jews and I said nothing" etc.. This country would be much better off if people like you joined the struggle instead of simply pretending that it doesn't exist. Everyone is well aware that these issues effect more than just black people.
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  11519.  @theojackson3853  Again the border had nothing to do with Covid. Trump restricted some flights, however he also allowed 40,000 Americans to travel back from China without any *testing*. He also didn't do anything about the virus traveling from Europe until it was too late. Yes, Warp Speed expedited vaccine development, however not all vaccines used Warp Speed, such as the BionTech vaccine developed in Germany. The reason no one was getting vaccinated under Trump is because the vaccine WASN'T AVAIALBE to people. The rollout was abysmal, and Trump spent all of November, December, and January being obsessed over his election loss instead of fixing the problems in getting vaccines distributed. If Trump wasn't so preoccupied with himself, he could have helped with the vaccination efforts and less people would have died that winter. Trump did one good thing with Warp Speed, but we could have stopped this virus early on if he didn't spend years trying to defund the CDC and firing most of the CDC people who were stationed in China right before the pandemic hit. Also if he didn't allow Bolton to disband the NSC pandemic response group then we could have had proper PPE, testing, and contact tracing in place, Instead Trump put is son in law in charge and decided to pretend the virus didn't exist or you could fit it by ingesting disinfectant, hydroxychloroquine, and other nonsense. He downplayed wearing masks and held campaign rallies allowing the virus to spread amongst his own supporters. Ultimately Trump was a completely failure when it came to protecting this country when it actually mattered. Spending billions on a useless "wall" while ignoring the pandemic protections this country had built up since George Bush
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  11677.  @barkoczigabor8485  1. I’m entirely familiar with the fiction you people created. You think that because Trump gave you a platform to be as racist, misogynist, homophobic, and antisemetic as you want, that somehow anyone not liking that is “Cancel Culture”. When in reality it is just something you made up entirely. Bush didn’t go around emboldening white supremacists and Islamaphobes, but now you want to cry because it turns out that people don’t like that. 2. TYT never once called for “white genocide”. That’s just you being crazy. 3. Okay then correct Ana if she said something not quite accurate about Gina’s possible transphobia, she would be the first to correct it if she thought she was staying something incorrect. However It’s clear you don’t have the same standards for your own statements and claims that you’ve made here. There is always a double standard where the right gets to make shit up every day and the left has to be 100% accurate. 4. No they just read a statement from Disney that made the holocaust reference. TYT didn’t make that claim. 5. Aggression starts with discrimination and hate. Hate crimes rose to a 16 year high under Trump. White supremacists have killed dozens of people since Charlottesville. Never mind the shootings at El Paso, synagogues, churches, stores, all because of their race or ethnicity. Countless people have suffered and died. So you can spare me on getting your feelings hurt on the internet because your positions are criticized. Those positions should be ridiculed, sorry.
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  11740. WouldYou LookAtThat I don't know how I can be any clearer. There was NEVER any evidence supporting that Seth Rich ever leaked ANYTHING at any point. Again, this was a made up bullshit story. PERIOD. The fact that you still believe something that has long since been recanted by the very outlets who were spreading an unsubstantiated story, is sad. The fucking family has even had to come out speak out against you people because you believed this bullshit. http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/statements/2017/may/23/newt-gingrich/claim-slain-dnc-staffer-seth-rich-gave-emails-wiki/ https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/seth-rich-dnc-wikileaks-murder/ https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2017/05/22/fact-check-newt-gingrich-spreads-seth-rich-conspiracy-theory/102028556/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/public-safety/family-of-slain-seth-rich-says-reports-he-fed-wikileaks-dnc-info-are-untrue/2017/05/16/9b32ef9c-3a46-11e7-8854-21f359183e8c_story.html?utm_term=.ad20f0358ee8 The fact you haven't even bothered to even verify whether your comment is true or not since it was challenged just boggles my fucking mind.... You people actually don't even care that you live in a bubble. If it were me I would have at least spent 20 seconds on Google to figure out if there was anything true about what I believe, but NOOO you guys don't fucking care. You will just keep repeating the same unsubstantiated bullshit you've been fed FOR YEARS. Then you wonder why our country is going down the fucking toilet.
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  11908.  @KB-sv7fm  Criticized by who exactly? TV Pundits? If your argument is not based on polls, audience response, or ANYTHING, then I'm sorry you're just making it up. I never said Obama/Hillary weren't moderates. My argument is whether the party is "center left" or not. If you support gay marriage ONLY after a majority of the country supports it or if you still don't support Marijuana legalization after most of the country supports it.. Then you're not "center left", at most you're "center", but more accurately you favor the establishment and status quo... However when you do that for 8 years and don't "lead" or fight or move the needle as fast as people want it to move, then you end up with someone like Trump. Obama was able to get by because he was an amazing politician and orator.. However there were no fundamental issues that the Democratic party could hang their hat on for everyday people.... And as a result they lost dozens of seats. When the Obama brand was gone people latched onto the new exciting "Trump brand" that was going to shake things up. Whereas Clinton represented the same old status quo. We're not going to win people over with glasses of warm milk. Sorry. The reason why Trump won is that Clinton didn't give anyone anything to vote for. It'll be the same with a Biden, Klobuchar, or Buttigeig. There is a reason why Sanders polled far stronger against Trump than Clinton even after she got the nomination and why Trump is on tape admitting he was afraid of running against Sanders.
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  11910.  @KB-sv7fm  Furthermore that Newsweek article is a steaming pile of garbage. It's funny how people want to blame voters instead of the candidate that was running.... Do businesses blame consumers for not buying their product? The fact is Hillary Clinton still remains one of the most unpopular politicians in the country. Meanwhile Bernie Sanders remains the most popular politician following the 2016 election. Yet somehow the establishment Democrats and media go around pretending that the sky is purple and that it's all the problem of those pesky voters. Particularly Bernie Sanders supporters. More Sanders supporters voted for Clinton in 2016 than Clinton supporters voted for Obama in 2008. The difference is that Obama won in 2008 because he was a far better politician and a far more popular candidate. That's the reality. Eventually people are going to need to get their heads out of their asses and realize that the huge growth in popularity of Bernie Sanders is not the fault of voters, but it's the fact that his ideas are resonating with more and more people. Even with a lot of Republicans despite all their cries of "socialism". There is a reason he is out raising everyone with small dollar donations, because his support is REAL. Ignore those ideas at your own peril and lose the presidency. Any business that ignores the growing popularity of product B while constantly selling product A and blames their customers for not buying product A is pretty much doomed to fail. If Clinton was a great candidate than Bernie Sanders would have never gone from 2% to nearly catching up to her in the primaries and she would have won against Trump. If Clinton was a great candidate she would have also won against Obama in 2008. These are the basics of politics, everything else is just noise, and the sky is blue.
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  11912.  @KB-sv7fm  I can handle the truth just fine. People like me were warning about Trump and the fact that Hillary was a weak candidate whereas people like you thought Hillary was a safe bet. We were right, you were wrong. I find it hilarious that people who were unable to read the political winds in 2016 and got it completely wrong magically think they will win using the exact same strategy today. Sure, just blame voters that will totally work right?.... "Free stuff" like roads, parks, public schools, libraries police, fire fighters, miliary, etc. Right? Do you honestly think these empty talking points are really a winning strategy? Are you somehow oblivious to how other countries handle health care? Or Medicaid & Medicare in THIS country for that matter? How do you expect me to take you seriously with that nonsense? 😂 --"Bernie lost in 2016 because blacks and Latinos mostly sided with Hillary. " Hillary won because of decades of name recognition. Not to mention superdelegates, the media, and the overwhelming support by democratic establishment. However if you recall Sanders went from 2% to like 50% support nationally following the debates and went on to become the most popular politician in the country. That should tell you something.... Heaven forbid you look at a poll to see that Sanders has the black and Latino vote TODAY.... Heaven forbid you look at which candidate has the most enthusiasm and support. The longer you stay in that bubble of yours the worse it will be for our country.
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  11962. magicwackywacko I don't engage in flame wars, only discussions. People have a right to their opinions. I have dear friends who enjoyed the movie and it's perfectly fine that they do. I can talk about what I hated and they can talk about what they liked and it's no big deal, it's just a movie. There are some movies that I can enjoy and just watch without worrying about plot holes and character inconsistencies. Like I can watch tthe Fast & Furious and suspend my belief and just enjoy it for what it is. However movies like Star Wars engage my imagination and intellect on a completely different level so when I see inconsistencies and plot holes it just takes me out of the moment for a movie franchise that I have such reverence for. I think that's the case for a lot of people. Yes the director change left us with an absolute mess. It's clear that there isn't any cohesive direction and Rian Johnson just dismantled everything that Abrams had built. So at the end of the day you really have nothing to look forward to for Episode 9. Typically in a trilogy like the Original Star Wars trilogy, or the prequels, or Lord of the Rings, at this point the audience has grown with the characters and everyone is looking forward to the final showdown/development of the story. With this new trilogy there really isn't anything to look forward to in Episode 9.... Rey has already confronted Kylo twice now, Snoke is dead, Luke is dead, Leia might as well be dead, Akabar is dead, the rebellion is just a handful of people and apparently the rest of the galaxy doesn't care about them, the kids are still slaves on Canto. So I'm not sure what I'm supposed to look forward to in Episode 9.... Another Rey and Kylo encounter? What is there to really care about? Also everything that Luke went through in the original trilogy was apparently for nothing.... So maybe the First Order should just rule the galaxy? Apparently the only people who care are a handful of "rebels" and one Stormtrooper who defected. No one else seems to really care. Even Luke didn't care. He just showed up to send his hologram to say goodbye and then die alone on his Island like he wanted to.
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  12347. ​ @tonysmith6967  So your tactic now is to call me names and lie about Bernie's record? You're now claiming that Bernie "tried his best" to topple regimes? wow... Sorry, but you've gone completely off the deep end and abandoned all logical thought. Sanders was one of the lone voices opposing the Iraq War since it started. With NUMEROUS videos of him speaking out against it and many other conflicts on the floor of the Senate while others just sat by. He's currently speaking out against our intervention in Venezuela. I've listened to this man for about 15 years so I'm very well aware of his positions on war and the military industrial complex. If he ever supported any kind of intervention it was when lives were literally at stake. If he wanted a regime change it was for a peaceful transition, not by force. You're comments are an embarrassment to free thought. Look... It's okay for you to like Tulsi, but you're letting your support turn you rabid. I have enough to deal with when it comes to mindless Trump supporters. I don't need that stupidity coming from the left as well. Like I said. I appreciate her perspective when it comes to the debates, but she has no real record on changing the discourse in this country or getting any reforms through congress. Furthermore her previous comments on Torture, the wall, etc. are troubling. She's spent a lot of time "coming around" to issues (like Medicare for all, LGBTQ rights, etc), whereas Bernie has been on the right side of those issues since probably before she was born. Yes, there are videos of Bernie speaking out on gay rights in the 80's. The bottom line is you believe that Tulsi will be consistent, true, and effective on issues that she's literally only had for maybe 4-5 years at most. Whereas I don't, sorry. However I would be more than happy if she gained popularity and more support on those ideas and became an effective leader in congress while Sanders is president.
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  12421.  @alexandre588  "mining process is still harmful to the environment, specially if you want to do it in a mass scale." Including the detrimental effects of nuclear power if you scale that up. So...? "And it would run at mediocre efficiency and produce very little energy, and be dependent on weather." So? Solar has always been dependent on the whether it doesn't mean you can't generate a butt-load of energy on a cloudy day, just as Germany does which gets far less sun than the US. "Then let's stay with fossil fuel cause they're the cheapest energy source" Because we're talking about renewable energy obviously. If I used reductive logic for everything then it wouldn't be a very productive conversation. "If there was an actual effort to make it work as there was with solar, costs would also be drastically reduced with increased efficiency." Are you kidding me? You pretend as if Nuclear energy is this new kid on the block that hasn't been used as a significant power source in over 30 countries or that it hasn't been given HUNDREDS OF BILLIONS OF DOLLARS in subsides over the past few decades. The subsidies for solar is NOTHING compared the amount of subsidies the nuclear energy industry has gotten. Solar hasn't gotten better because of subsidies it's gotten better IN SPITE of subsidies going to nuclear and fossil fuels FOR DECADES... Ask yourself why is that? It's because solar and wind democratizes energy a FAR BETTER than Nuclear does. There are thousands of companies who can get involved in solar in a way that you just cannot with nuclear energy. So solar has been able to iterate and improve much easier. We wouldn't have iPhones today if cellphones were these billion dollar devices that were dangerous, difficult to research, and took years to make. The barrier to entry is much lower with things like solar and wind. Furthermore there are scientists who say they can double the efficiency of solar panels. Some even say we could triple their efficiency. Which means you could power an entire home on a few panels. At that level of efficiency you could probably even power lightweight vehicles with just panels and a battery. "Can we at least agree that it would be better than fossil fuels?" Of course it is. I just see more potential in an energy source that just sits there with no moving parts that even a child could use vs. the most destructive force produced by man requiring a thousand protocols to keep us from destroying ourselves.
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  12932. neurotransmitter I'm not "acting like" anything dude. I'm just acknowledging the facts. You should try it sometime. I very well know that based on my upbringing I've had lots of advantages compared to people who grew up in a trailer park or even some of my friends, simply because I grew up in the suburbs in decent neighborhoods, decent schools, etc. And quite frankly I've been lucky. I also know that statistically that isn't the case for millions of other black people who grew up in inner cities like in Baltimore, Chicago, NY etc. and there are historical reasons for why black people were concentrated into shitty neighborhoods with little opportunity. I ALSO know that if I'm stopped by the police there are a lot more assumptions that the police would make about me based on my skin color than someone else. There are a lot of racist assholes out there who have no problems with ruining a person's life. "you see all kinds of people getting beat by police. it's a police problem not a race problem." It's both actually.... Statically, it is indeed a race problem. The numbers don't lie. For example black and white people use drugs at the same rate, but black people are far more likely to go the jail and get longer jail time for the same offenses. Unarmed black people are also more likely to get shot by police than unarmed white people. About 88% of the people police stopped in the Stop & Frisk program were black & Latino, meanwhile 89% of those people were completely innocent. So basically minorities were harassed daily by the police daily for no reason. It is ALSO a fact that police are trained to shoot first and ask questions later and escalate situations to violence when they don't need to be. They have been stocking up on military weapons and riot gear. This effects everyone, regardless of race. Acknowledging these facts doesn't somehow mean that just because I'm black it automatically means that I'm more disadvantaged than you or any white person in the country. That's not what I'm saying, that isn't what anyone is saying. It just means that if everything else was equal, with the same background, opportunities, etc. That there are still advantages and disadvantages that are based entirely on race. Such as hiring for jobs, police conduct, incarceration, etc. as shown in many studies. This is something that should be fixed culturally and politically along with the other issues with the police.
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  13033.  @youknow9092  1. Simply calling something "verified facts" doesn't somehow absolve you from making up what I said, lol...😂 2. Nope you're just plain wrong. Even Jefferson eventually came around and founded the first public college in Virginia. In order to solve things like "illiteracy" the founders created public schools. In order to solve communication they established a post office and roads. . 3. -- "the system of government determines how well we function, no the size of the government" Again YOU are the one who suggested government being "evil", authoritarianism, and economic prowess has to do with "size". Not me. 😂 So are you now retracting your statement? 4. These were your words, not mine: --"I believe that smaller government with less regulations where people are more responsible for themselves is inherently better than a larger government that over taxes people so that people can be reliant on the government." --"Sorry but excessive taxation or what in reality is redistribution of wealth has never historically brought people out of poverty, it only ensures everyone sinks further into it." So I'll asking you AGAIN... Provide evidence in the world that countries with less taxes are more prosperous than those with more taxes. Because ALL 1st world countries (unless you're banking center) have far more taxes than 3rd world countries. Also provide evidence that progressive taxation (which is wealth redistribution) causes more poverty, because all 1st world countries have progressive taxation. You're mindlessly repeating someone else's talking points that aren't based on anything.
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  13034.  @youknow9092  1. Sorry, but you don't get to reinterpret my own comments and pretend that your interpretation is a "verifiable fact", lol 🤣 Do you even know what you're arguing at this point? 😂 2. Creating public schools, post offices, roads, etc. means they were accepting of policies that benefit the general welfare of the population. They didn't use terms like "large", so you can stop lying about their intent. The fact that they advocated for a central government at all was a huge departure from what was established at the time. People like me also "value basics for society" as well. Which is a lot different today than it was 250 years ago. College is more important than basic literacy. Broadband and cellphones are more important than delivering letters on horseback. 3. "government is inherently evil" Sorry, but you sound like an complete joke when you call things "evil". Government isn't evil because we need one to govern our society. It's like saying cars or airplanes are "evil". I'm glad you're finally saying "size is irrelevant". We finally agree on something. 4. --"America pre 1950s proves nations with less tax ensure their citizens are more prosperous" You mean during the great depression? 😂 I hate to break it to you, but post WW2 after Medicare, social security, and even an 90% upper income tax rate this country had the most prosperous times in our history. Millions of people were literally lifted our of poverty, we created the "middle class", and the GDP grew like crazy. If you actually cared about people being prosperous. You would look at poverty, wealth per capita, education, health, etc. But you're not.... All you're doing is repeating the empty slogans you were programed with. --" what right is it of yours or anyone elses to take something from one person just to give it to another? " I'm not personally taking anything. It's called a "social contract". You might as well ask: "What right do you have to tell people to stop at a red light so that other people can go at a green light?" These types of straw man questions is how people like you get fooled by propaganda. Money itself is also a social contract. Our society (government) is the reason it has value. You are not personally printing money and I'm not "deciding for you" that it has value. We are participating in a society that makes it legal tender.
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  13035.  @youknow9092  1. It's called making a straw man argument. As you've done several times now. Again, you don't get to reinterpret my statements in order have something to argue against, especially after I long since clarified what I meant. People who have facts, state facts, they don't just say "verifiable fact" and "evidence" over and over. 😂 2. You speak out against "basic infrastructure" anytime someone proposes basic infrastructure and then you respond by crying and moaning about "socialism". etc. without actually ever even thinking about it. Again, founders like Hamilton and Thomas Paine had no problems with a strong centralized authority. Stop pretending as if all founders thought the same way, they didn't. They were negotiating a new government with states that already had their own power. Wow you really don't get it do you?... Infrastructure is never required. We don't NEED publicly funded roads, bridges, a post office, libraries, public schools, police, fireman, etc. There are plenty of 3rd world counties that lack the "basic infrastructure" we have in this country. The reason why Jefferson advocated for public education wasn't because he thought society could not function without it. It was a way of making society BETTER and more competitive with the rest of the world. Your problem is short sightedness which the founders did not have. 3. The judiciary as well as "checks and balances" are all part of the same government... Stop talking about things in terms of "evil". It's cringe and you sound like a little kid who has been brainwashed by religious dogma. A clear indication that you're not coming from a rational place. 4. You said "pre-1950s" proves your claim about taxes and the 20s and 30s were before the 1950s... So are you changing your argument? Social Security was signed into law in 1935. The top tax rate was over 90% in 1943 and remained high until the late 60s. It was dropped in the 70s. You pretend other people don't know the economic history of this country when you clearly do not... You could have easily checked those figures yourself, but instead of verifying your claims, you would rather believe in a made up fairytale. Money is a social contract and so is property. Please look up the term so you know what it means. You don't have "personal property" without a government enforcing your right to it.
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  13037.  @youknow9092  1. You actually didn't provide any evidence for why 3rd world countries with fewer taxes and regulations perform far worse than 1st world countries and you're still avoiding it. 2. Again.... There is no infrastructure that is "necessary". All infrastructure is there to make society better. So when you use vague terms like "necessary", you're not saying anything. 3. Please provide evidence that "most" founders disagreed with a "strong central government". I have given you several examples of founders who did not, while you haven't provided a shred of evidence for your claims. Hamilton, Madison, George Washington, and Ben Franklin were all considered "Federalists". 4. Wong again. Everyone does not use every street, sidewalk, or bridge. Not everyone requires police or fire departments. Not everyone has kids who benefit from public education. Not everyone has rural routes that post offices are required to service that are more costly than city addresses. There are literally thousands of services that the government provides which are not used by "everyone". Social services are no different. They stabilize society because they're available for people when they need them, and limit people falling further into poverty which only creates a drain on society. For example when Medicare and Social Security were introduced people suddenly didn't have to rely on their children for care. This allowed the middle class to flourish, dramatically cut poverty, and improved most of society. 5. Again, "checks and balances" ARE government. Whether it's a monarchy, dictatorship, or a representative democracy. These are all forms of "government". Calling things "evil" and making assertions you have no evidence for only means you exchanged one religion for another. 6. No it just means you suddenly decided to move the goal post (again), because you were wrong and didn't know what you were talking about.... However you can find a dozen of economic panics that hit the poor hard before 1913, such as the Long Depression from 1873 to 1896. Never mind the fact that the middle class didn't reach its peak in this country until the government got involved in a major way during the 20th century. Moving the goal post to over a hundred years ago is just desperation at this point and you still haven't provided any actual evidence for your claims. Taxes were raised dramatically AFTER the Great Depression Genius. 😂 Furthermore the Fed had even more power after the depression and we still had rapid growth during the 40's, 50's, & 60s. Once again you have no evidence for your claims The Constitution is the very foundation of our government. So you're basically just proving my point. 😂 Again, the only reason you can "own property" is because of the government. It doesn't happen through magic, wishful thinking, or whatever religious dogma you follow.
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  13038.  @youknow9092  1. LMAO... Sorry, It's not my job to prove your false statements. That's not how this works. I'm the only one providing numbers and references here. Meanwhile you're just regurgitating dogma. 2. Again "functioning" is relative. Many would argue that tens of thousands of people dying each year from lack of health care coverage is not "functional" or hundreds of thousands going bankrupt from medical debt. Many in 3rd world counties might argue that paved roads aren't necessary for their society. Illiteracy was consider "dysfunctional" which was why public schools were introduces. Highways weren't a thing until after the war and people say how useful they were in Germany. Child labor was a thing until we decided it wasn't good for society. Functional society is always relative to the time period. 3. And you haven't provided a shred of evidence for that claim. I listed out the founders who are considered "federalists" and you just regurgitated your religious dogma. In fact the "federalist" papers were written by people who promoted strong centralized government. The Anti-federalists were against that. Try actually researching a bit before making claims that you cannot proved. 4. Everyone does not use every bridge, road, sidewalk, street. Many people don't even own cars who are paying for automobile infrastructure. We all pay for handicap access that we don't all use. Again, you are just plain wrong. 5. Do you seriously not understand that checks and balances are part of our government? 😂 They are not something outside of the government. It is the government. 6. A mistake that you kept repeating and arguing? 🤔 Regardless.... as I clearly demonstrated there is no evidence that life was better before 1913, especially for every day people. There were a series of panics and economic depressions that were far more frequent than they are today. Furthermore the country grew like crazy in the 40s, 50s, 60s, during high upper income taxes and after the introduction of Medicare and Social Security. We literally cut poverty dramatically during that period. However facts and numbers seem not to matter to people who are brainwashed by a political religious dogma that isn't based on anything other than the propaganda that comes out of think tanks serving the rich.
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  13039.  @youknow9092  1. So in other words. You have no evidence or a real argument. 🤡 2. "Functional" for life, means healthcare. "Functional" is always relative to your goal. If you don't care about people dying then healthcare isn't important. If you don't care about illiteracy then education isn't important. The founders decided to care about literacy because they wanted our country to be competitive with the rest of the world. It's a pretty simple concept. 3. Saying you have done research without actually providing it, means you're lying. I gave you specifics and named actual founders. Please give me a break down of the founders and which ones were Federalists and Anti-Federalists. Provide evidence that the people who created our government were somehow against it's creation or against centralizing power. 4. --"everyone does not use every single street, bridge or sidewalk is irrelevant. " It isn't irrelevant because that's how society works... I don't have to use every single road, bridge, handicap rail, handicap ramp, for society as a whole to benefit. I don't have to use libraries for public libraries to have been beneficial to our society. I don't have to use public schools for public schools to be beneficial. Again, Not everyone uses a research or land grant... Not everyone uses every road, bridge. Not everyone uses public schools. libraries. Not everyone calls the police. or fire department, coast guard, or an ambulance. However these things literally transformed our society for the better. Do you think the founders believed that everyone would use a public school? 5. You might as well say that a judiciary was created to judge things. 😂 Again, the entire system of governing IS *GOVERNMENT*. Please show me where the founders thought that government itself is "evil"? 6. The rise of the middle class, reduction of poverty, GDP per capita, and the lack of constant economic depressions, panics, and recessions every few years clearly show how things were better after the Great Depression and the New Deal. What's your evidence exactly? Repeating religious dogma instead of actual facts and figures is an obvious indication of brainwashing. You are repeating the propaganda that comes out of think tanks as if it were religion (Heritage foundation, Brookings institute, Cato foundation, etc. etc.) I've heard the same crap over and over for decades. They create a message to that elicits an emotional response using words around "stealing" "taking" and "fairness" and it causes people like you to internalize a lot of nonsense. Politicians, pundits, media use these talking points because they are designed to influence people. This is why every time I challenge you on actual facts and figures, your arguments fall apart.
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  13040.  @youknow9092  1. Not forcing you to do anything dude. Just calling you out for being a clown by lying about "evidence" you clearly don't have. 😂 The reason you've been talking in circles for a week is because you have nothing. 2.Again, it does with public schools, land grants, research grants, libraries, handicap access, rural roads, parks, coast guard, and hundreds of other services that I pointed out that you have absolute no response for. We pay for things that may or may not benefit us personally all the time, but as a society we benefit. All you're doing is mindlessly repeat talking points, without providing evidence or examples of your arguments in practice. 3. I can claim that aliens landed in my backyard. It's not up to everyone else to prove that my claim is real. People who believe in fairy tales without evidence are religious people. You've proven yourself over and over to only believe in stories without evidence. Meanwhile I actually back up my claims. 4. Which is my point. Society benefited from public education, social security, and Medicare. Society will also benefit from public higher education and extending Medicare to everyone. 5. Again, the fact that putting pepperoni on a pizza makes it taste better, doesn't mean than pepperoni isn't part of the pizza. It doesn't mean that pizza is "evil" without pepperoni. It just means that there are types of pizza that people prefer. We prefer a government with checks and balances as opposed to a monarchy or some other form of government. 6. --"you act like the middle class didnt exist until our excessive tax code was adopted. Nice lie. " You act as if I didn't say that the middle class "grew", "rose", "reached it's peak". Instead you pretend I said something else which is a classic straw man tactic when you're unable to argue against the point I actually made. Nice lie. Again as I stated, looking at GDP per capita and the fact that there were far more economic panics and recessions prior to 1913 invalidates your claim and you're not giving me any kind of measurement that proves your assertions... Which means that your claims don't come from anything, they're just an idea someone told you, hence brainwashing from propaganda. And sorry, but just saying the equivalent of "Nuh uh... you are!" or "I am rubber you are glue" is not a real argument. 😂
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  13042.  @youknow9092  1. Not being able to prove your argument is an obvious indication of not knowing what you're talking about. 2. Handicap rails and ramps are mandated by the government and paid for by the government and/or private companies depending on the situation. However it is not a function of market forces. The rest of your argument just validates what I've been saying this whole time... YES education benefits society as a whole even if only a portion of the population takes advantage of that service. You may not benefit from handicap accessibility now, but if you get injured one day it could mean everything to you. Same thing for Medicare and social security. The same thing goes for Medicare for all and free college. Having a healthy population, having an educated population, benefits the entire society. If it weren't for the NHS and subsidized education we wouldn't have had a brilliant mind like Stephen Hawking. 3. Whatever dude. 4. Entirely agree. Which is why when people advocate for public education past high school the are not trying to "change our nation for the worse" they are trying to make it better and more competitive with the rest of the world. 5. Then provide quotes were founders called government "evil".... If it is "common knowledge" then it should be fairly easy to find.... "Common knowledge" is just another way of saying you were brainwashed into believing something that isn't true. I provide figures and references, while you lie and make things up. No different than arguing with an evangelical Christian. 6. --"again forcing others to take on other peoples financial burden I would not say is beneficial to society" Safety nets like unemployment insurance and social security have clear demonstrated benefits to society. When a certain percentage of your population is allowed to fall into poverty and squalor because of a hardship it causes a big drain on society. That is why we have studies showing that states lose less money when they give temporary homes to homeless people and they have a space to get back on their feet. Again, not having evidence only proves that your ideas are based on a religious ideology rather than facts and figures. The reason facts aren't easily available to you is because your ideas aren't based on anything... I didn't need to "waste my time" finding facts and figures to support my ideas because my ideas are based on reality and facts easily available. Meanwhile your ideas are based on spin and emotionally laced words about government being "evil" and "taking things" from people and giving them to others. They are not based on facts they are just meant to demonize certain people.
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  13043.  @youknow9092  1. Sure someone who responds with novel's worth of text is worried about wasting their time. 😂 No one believes you dude. You've got nothing. Just admit that your feelings are more important than facts and figures. 2. Your argument was about being forced to pay for the benefit of others. Being mandated to pay for handicap access, is the same thing as paying for it through taxes. Again, having a baseline for heath coverage doesn't prevent people from paying more. No different than having a baseline for education doesn't prevent people from going to private schools. In 1973 most jobs required a high school education and in 2020 most jobs require more than than a high school education. So your definition of "basic education requirement" isn't based on anything other than your feelings. 3. No. I only respond to arguments, not emotional outbursts. There's no point in wasting my time with non-arguments. 4. Like I said. All of your arguments are based on emotion and demonizing people. without evidence to back up your claims. People in red states take more from the federal government than they contribute in taxes. So you're mindlessly following a caricature for why "the left" pushes policies that benefit society. 5. Again, it should be pretty easy to provide a quote or something to support your claims, but you can't. Unlike you I don't mindlessly believe things without evidence. --"You provided figures then interpreted that to mean society was better" Yes I provided empirical evidence to back up my claims. You should try that instead of just believing whatever sounds good to you. It's the difference between an informed opinion vs. a religion. All of your arguments are based on feelings.... You also believe in collectivism otherwise you would be in a 3rd world country that has less government, few paved roads, little education, police, etc. 6. Which studies show giving homes for the homeless doesn't work? And the question is whether most studies show a certain outcome, not whether there is a single study that does not Furthermore I don't recall ever advocating for a UBI.... Which for the record is not a "safety net". Again safety nets have clearly worked in this country and around the word. They keep a significant part of the population from falling further into poverty and squalor which is a net benefit to society. Again, you can preach your ideology all day, but I'm not going to follow your religion. I only believe ideas that can be backed up by facts and empirical data. Which you clearly don't have. Sorry, but no one in their right mind is dumb enough to believe you're sitting on a mountain of evidence but just too lazy to provide any of it. That's obviously a lie and not even a very good one at that. 😂
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  13044.  @youknow9092  1. When you don't have any evidence to back up your claims you're not calling out anything, you're only making a fool out of yourself. No one here believes people who don't provide evidence and just makes up stories and fairy tales. 2. Again, people do not use public education equally. Many people choose private schools. Again, police, fire departments, parks, etc. are also not used equally. They are used in an emergency, no different than healthcare. Study from Georgetown university entitled: "Job Growth and Education Requirements Through 2020". Shows that 65% of jobs in 2020 require an education level past high school. Sorry unlike you I don't lie, that's what you do. I actually back up what I say. I don't just make things up as I go along as you have been doing. 3. No just more false accusations and statements based on your religious dogma. 4. None of your statements have been evidence based. No different than your statements on Social Security and Medicare. You're not referencing any actual evidence of stats before and after these programs were enacted. Your position comes from nothing more than ignorance. All you care about is some mindless blind belief that someone programed you with. 5. Like I said all you care about is ranting about your religious dogma that you cannot prove. I verify my statements with facts, figures, and studies. Every single one of your arguments fell apart because everything you believe is based on personal feelings and emotions. Someone tells you something simplistic that sounds good and you blindly believe it. That's what ALL religious people do. You even call things "evil" like some kind of crazy evangelical. 6. I don't believe you have ever looked at s single study on giving homes to the homeless dude.... All you are doing is lying and repeating the talking points you have been programmed wit. You're nothing more than a drone at this point and it's sad.
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  13045.  @youknow9092  1. Sure it is. You have no evidence to back up any of the fairytales you believe. BTW aliens landed in my backyard over the weekend. The evidence is out there if you do your own research... 🤡 I never met a religious zealot who cared whether other people believe them. You're no different. All you care about is your beliefs, regardless of the evidence. 2. Society also benefits from a healthy populace. Which is why vaccine testing and viral treatments were given out for free. What doesn't help society is having 600,000 people go bankrupt every year for medical debt or tens of thousands dying from lack of coverage, or millions of people being obligated to a job because they're afraid of losing health benefits. Or thousands of small businesses unable to compete because they don't have the same leverage to provide good health coverage as large corporations. Having no study, means you never cared about facts or studies. 3. You're not ant-theist. You just substituted one religion for another. People do it all the time. 4. There is no evidence to reject when you're clearly not providing evidence. 🤡 5. No you just like to pretend that you're logical, but everything you've presented here is based on a belief. You had false claims about small government and low taxes, which isn't true around the world or in US history. Then when you're called out you just reject evidence. This is EXACTLY what religious people do. 6. Clearly I'm right. You haven't looked at any studies. If you did you would quote the title of that study as I have done. Well people who believe in fantasies and fairytales are inconsequential to me. However when your religion is damaging to people and others use your religion to manipulate you into believing in nonsense ideas that hurt this country, that's what I have a problem with... I'm not tied to a belief like you are. I go where the evidence takes me.
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  13046.  @youknow9092  1. Just like the refusal for you to research the aliens that landed in my backyard. It must be true then right? All you're doing is clowning yourself over and over.... 😂 2. I just pointed out all the ways that universal healthcare it benefits society. Better for small businesses in being more completive to large corporations. Increases social mobility as people are not tied to workplace healthcare benefits. Better to slow the spread of transmittable diseases. Lowers the healthcare costs for the entire country, since we're paying 2 or more times the costs of other developed countries. Drops all the red tape that individuals and hospitals have to go through with dealing with insurance companies, coverage, co-payments, etc. Everyone will have lower costs as pointed out in numerous studies, including a study by the Cato institute who is antagonistic against the idea. Eliminating the half a million or more families that go bankrupt each year due to medical debt (even if they have insurance in many cases), which has impacts on individuals as well as our overall economy. Eliminating the tens of thousands who die each year from lack of insurance, which also has greater impacts on society. So you cannot say it doesn't benefit all of society. I clearly laid it out for you. 3. No you're just another religious zealot who doesn't provide any evidence for your beliefs. The exact opposite of a rational person. 4. Yes it does. Sorry, but I don't blindly believe in lies and fairytales. 5. Lack of evidence clearly demonstrates a lack of rational thought. 6. I back up everything I say with facts, figures, and studies. Unlike religious ideologs like yourself. You might as well turn to Christianity, Islam, witchcraft, or Qanon. Because your arguments are no different. I had a long argument with a religious friend of mine awhile ago and it was literally NO DIFFERENT than talking to you... They also claimed that I needed to spend a long time researching the Bible before I could dispute any of the arguments they were making. It's a classic deflection tactic with you people. When you have no evidence for your claims and irrational beliefs you pretend that other people need to do research.
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