Comments by "" (@walterkronkitesleftshoe6684) on "Eastory"
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If some mad brute passing by you in the street, without warning, punches you in the face then rapes you, do you then get angry and abusive towards the ONLY "good samaritan" who rushed from across the street to your aid, but never made it in time to stop the initial assault?
Britain and France assured Poland that if the Wehrmacht crossed the Polish frontier, that they would declare war on nazi Germany, which as good as their word, they did.
Instead the UK and France could have done what the ENTIRE rest of the world did and just "walked on by", simply ignoring the nazi / communist dismemberment of Poland in Sept 1939.
What do you imagine would have happened to Poland then? Would she somehow rise up on her own and miraculously overthrow her nazi & soviet conquerors alone? Who knows what would happen in 300 years time, but rest assured in OUR lifetimes Poland would STILL to this day have a swastika flying over Warsaw, and the chimneys of nazi death camps would STILL to this day be belching out human ashes into Polish skies.
Adolf Hitler explicitly wanted more than anything else for the UK to join his "crusade", and support his "vision" for a nazi dominated Europe while we controlled the world's seas and kept our Empire.... what an unbeatable alliance that would have been !!!
But Instead of looking out for our own selfish interests, the largely unprepared UK and France declared war on Hitler's Germany for Poland & Europe's sake, NOT OUR OWN, What benefit did the UK receive from declaring war on Germany? That selfless act alone set in train the events that eventually led to the fall of nazism 5½ years later.... only then for the communists and Americans to betray Poland and NOT allow democracy to flourish there postwar (but keep in mind that Poland had NOT been a democracy before WW2 anyway).
After the fall of France in June 1940 the UK, against the expectations of the ENTIRE world, then fought on ALONE in Europe from June 1940 to June 1941 & continued the opposition to nazism when absolutely NO-ONE else in the world was interested.
Who ELSE do you imagine was going to save Poland?
The USSR? They'd eagerly joined the nazis in raping Poland, and then happily executed 22,000 of their countrymen in one fell swoop, followed by countless others.
The USA? Their chosen neutrality meant they were NEVER going to get drawn into a European war (it was only nazi Germany's declaration of war on the US in Dec 1941 that dragged their backsliding arses into the conflict), in fact US businesses were only TOO happy to do business with BOTH sides, and happily supplied Britain AND Germany with raw materials, fuel and war equipment while the nazis raped Poland and THROUGHOUT the rest of WW2.
Poland's eastern European neighbours? They all pretended not to notice Poland being raped and murdered in front of their very eyes and instead all of them quickly signed up with the nazis.
Without the continued opposition of the British empire ALONE to nazism from June 1940 onwards, opposition which bankrupted the UK and cost her 460,000 of her citizen's lives, there would have been:
NO D-Day and war in the Meditteranean to draw sizeable wehrmacht resources from the war on the Eastern Front.
NO strategic bombing of German cities and war industries.
NO interdiction of German global sea trade by the Royal Navy.
NO massive supply of weapons and war materiel from the west to the USSR, once their former allies nazi Germany had turned on them.
NO utterly crucial strategic intelligence courtesy of Britain's (not Poland's before you say it) "ULTRA" program.
With the result that the USSR would have collapsed somewhere in 1942/43, leaving the nazis in control of the whole of Europe, and their extermination camps would STILL be operating on Polish soil today.
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@sthgamer_ If you know your history, you'll know that it was France that had the closest ties to Poland, diplomatically, economically, culturally and militarily... Britain didn't even have a Polish embassy until 1929 and only agreed to guarantee Poland's borders in March 1939!!!
You seem to believe that massive armies just materialise fully equipped at the flick of a switch !!! Britain has never had large land armies, being primarily a naval power. The small number of full time regular troops of the BEF immediately started crossing the English Channel on 4th September 1939 followed over the next few months by the resrve divisions who had to be recalled from civilian life and equipped and transported over the follwoing few months. By the time that Poland had collapsed on 6th October, just 3 of the eventual 13 divisions of the BEF had assembled in north eastern France.
Peacetime armies do not just instantly massively swell into "combat mode"... its not a computer game. Hundreds of thousands (millions in France's case) of reservists and conscripts have to be processed, transported to their training, equipped, trained, allocated and transported to their unit, then their unit needs transporting to their operational posting.
My own father was 20 years old in Sept 1939, PERFECT age for IMMEDIATE conscription you might think... he received his "call up" papers on 2nd Sept 1939, had his RN medical on 3rd December 1939 and was instructed to arrive for his Royal Navy Basic training on 27th February 1940!!! Simply the bureaucratic process to get him and half a million other reservists and conscripts to training by itself took 5 months, by which time Poland had been conquered.
It's ridiculous that so many other people imagine that it was the sole responsibility of the UK to act as the "policeman of Europe" Why didn't the countries of central Europe not spend more of their OWN on their OWN armed forces during the interwar years to defend themselves or settle their own stupid petty differences and strike up a joint coalition to collectively defend themselves? Instead of expecting the UK taxpayer to sort out the rest of Europe's problems?
Face reality, if it wasn't for the British and French declaration of war in 1939 Poland and the Polish would STILL to this day be under the control of nazi Germany, seeing as NO-ONE else in the world cared if they were dying under nazi tyranny or not.... the USSR was only too happy to assist nazi Germany in its sacking of Europe at that point, and the US was greedily making such VAST profits off BOTH sides of the conflict that it had NO intention of taking up arms against its two highest paying "international customers".
It was ONLY the British and the French declaration of war in 1939 that triggered off the opposition to nazism and then after the French surrender in 1940 the British Empire ALONE maintained the opposition that eventually resulted in the toppling of the nazi regime.
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