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@confederatenationalist7283 Let me address your points one by one.
"how many ships did it take to corner not destroy the Graf Spee" is not a testiment to the Graf Spee, but a comment to the size of the South Atlantic and Indian Oceans and the task of trying to find a single ship hiding in that vastness without air surveillance and only the most rudimentary short range radar. You point has utterly NO application to the German navy in the English channel and North Sea, where it would have immediately been located and sunk in short order.
By "devastating form" are you referring to the S & G running away from a single WW1 battlecruiser after she bitch slapped BOTH of them?? Yes Scharnhost & Gneisenau later fell completely by chance upon a poorly managed aircraft carrier and sank it.... and in the process Scharnhorst had to run for her life and was put out of action for over 6 months thereby removing her from the field of play for Seelowe. After Which Gneisenau & Admiral Hipper ineffectively stalked British convoys but took no action because they were too weak to oppose the escorting RN ships, then as Gneisenau attempted to decoy the Home Fleet from the crippled Scharnhorst's return to Germany, she only went and got herself torpedoed and was put out of action until late 1940. Such was their "devastating form" that the fleet commander Admiral Marschall was relieved of command for the damage that was inflicted on Scharnhorst, and his failure to follow orders.
When you refer to "the combined attacks of battleships and U-boats", What "battleships" are you referring to exactly? The Kriegsmarine had NO battleships available in the time frame of Seelowe. Neither of the Bismarck's were ready and even if you stoop to consider 11in gun armed ships as "battleships" BOTH of them were out of action for Seelowe as I detailed above.... leaving ZERO battleships available. As for "close in U-boat attacks" U-47's strike at Scapa was an excellent feat of navigation, followed by sinking a berthed and unaware WW1 battleship. When they operated in an active war zone, such as the English channel (where Seelowe was going to take place) there fared MUCH worse. In 1939 Donitz sent three U-boats to pass through the straits of Dover, U-12 (sunk in the straits of Dover on the 8th Oct 1939), U-40 (sunk in the straits of Dover on the 13th Oct 1939), & U-16 (sunk in the straits of Dover on the 25th Oct 1939). They decided not to send any more uboats into the English channel until desperation forced them to in 1944.
As for "It's obvious they never tried to wipe us out at Dunkirk", Your mate Hitler begs to differ. I'll refer you to the opening lines of his FührerBefehl No. 13
The Leader And Supreme Commander Of The Armed Forces.
Headquarters. 24th May, 1940. 7 copies
Directive No. 13
1. The next object of our operations is to annihilate the French, English, and Belgian forces which are surrounded in Artois and Flanders, by a concentric attack by our northern flank and by the swift seizure of the Channel coast in this area.
The task of the Air Force will be to break all enemy resistance on the part of the surrounded forces, to prevent the escape of the English forces across the Channel, and to protect the southern flank of Army Group A.
When you say the Luftwaffe was "capable of taking out large naval assets", can you give some examples of that? The Luftwaffe, inspite of facing an English channel PACKED with British and French warships managed only to sink FOUR RN destroyers during the Dunkirk Evacuation. As a further illustration of the Luftwaffe's poor maritime success rate study the Mediterranean where the RN operated for 5 years with ALL manner of Aircraft carriers, Battleships, Cruisers, Destroyers and submarines, in a sea SURROUNDED by enemy territory and land based air forces both German and Italian, What was the LARGEST ship they managed to sink in all that time? A Light Cruiser. Compare that performance to the single RN FAA operation at Taranto, which left 3 Italian battleships sitting on the sea floor.
What makes you think the Germans successfully supplied their forces in North Africa? The only time they had victories was when the British had to withdraw troops to other areas, The axis in north Africa were consistently struggling for supplies 2 million tons of which ended up on the Mediterranean seabed, sunk by the British Fleet air arm and RAF flying from Malta, they couldn't beat the British who didn't have the luxury of simply getting supplies from the Toe of Italy to Tripoli, but instead had to transport their supplies from across the Atlantic, around the Cape of Good Hope and up the East African coastline !!!
My father was in the Royal Navy for 6 years during WW2 and never for one second though that the nazis would be stupid enough to dip a toe in the English Channel. The fact that they never did proves he was right !!!!
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Below I've "copy and pasted" the preamble to Hitler's "Fuhrerbefehl No. 16" (Fuhrer Directive 16) issued from the "Berghof" (Hitler's "holiday home" in Bavaria), on 16th July 1940 to the German armed forces high command (OKW).
The directive was transmitted over secure landlines encrypted in what the Germans believed was an unbreakable code, showing that it was NOT for the digest of the British and simply designed to initmidate them into coming to the surrender table, but was a true indication of Hitler's intent.
"The Fuhrer And Supreme Commander Of The Armed Forces.
The Fuhrer's Headquarters. 16th July, 1940. 7 copies
Directive No. 16 -- On Preparations For A Landing Operation Against England
Since England, in spite of her hopeless military situation, shows no signs of being ready to come to an understanding, I have decided to prepare a landing operation against England, and, if necessary, to carry it out.
The aim of this operation will be to eliminate the English homeland as a base for the prosecution of the war against Germany and, if necessary, to occupy it completely."
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@datredhat "Hitler allowed the troops trapped at Dunkirk to evacuate". Nonsense. Hitler would like to disagree with you.
"Fuhrer Directive No. 13. 24th May 1940
1. The next object of our operations is to annihilate the French, English, and Belgian forces which are surrounded in Artois and Flanders, by a concentric attack by our northern flank and by the swift seizure of the Channel coast in this area.
The task of the Air Force will be to break all enemy resistance on the part of the surrounded forces, to prevent the escape of the English forces across the Channel, and to protect the southern flank of Army Group A.
The enemy airforce will be engaged whenever opportunity offers."
The truth is that the German army was, contrary to the perception created by their own propaganda films, very poorly mobilised. Apart from its 10 Panzer and a small number of "motorised" regiments in 1940, 90% of its army and supporting combat logistics depended on foot and horse transport.
Its panzer formations had by 24th May WELL over extended and outrun their supply and supporting infantry, even though the infantry had been provided with MILLIONS of German manufactured "Pervitin" methamphetamine tabets, known today as "crystal meth" to enable the advance to continue. The effect of the drug use was to enable the foot soldiers to march day and night with reduced food requirements for the 2 weeks of the initial French campaign.
By the time of the battle of the Dunkirk perimeter, the infantry were burned out and STILL had the conquest of the rest of France ahead of them.
It was actually the commander of "Panzer Gruppe Kleist" (Ewald von Kleist) who aware of the wide dispersal of his armoured divisions, and the heavy losses his panzers had absorbed (in many cases reduced to <50% by combat and mechanical breakdowns) who had requested from his superior von Rundstedt, that a halt to the advance be requested. Von Rundstedt concurred with the request and forwarded it via von Brauchitsch at OKH to Hitler who then authorised the halt.
The simple fact is that the German infantry (and also to a slightly lesser degree the German panzers) were completely shagged out. They were UNABLE to close the Dunkirk pocket, as a large part of the perimeter was marshy boggy ground unsuitable for tanks, which put more of the onus for the final assault onto its already shagged out foot soldiers.
Step forward Feldmarschall Hermann Goering, with his promise to Hitler that his Lufwaffe alone would prevent the evacuation of the allied forces trapped within the Dunkirk perimeter..... and we all know what happened there.
The rest as they say is history.
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"Not a serious proposition"?
Hitler begs to differ.
What better than the order issued by none other the Adolf Hitler himself? Below I've "copy and pasted" the preamble to Hitler's "Fuhrerbefehl No. 16" (Fuhrer Directive 16) issued from the "Berghof" (Hitler's "holiday home" in Bavaria) on 16th July 1940 to the German armed forces high command (OKW).
The directive was transmitted over secure landlines encrypted in what the Germans believed was an unbreakable code, showing that it was NOT for the digest of the British and simply designed to initmidate them into coming to the surrender table, but was a true indication of Hitler's intent.
"The Fuhrer And Supreme Commander Of The Armed Forces.
The Fuhrer's Headquarters. 16th July, 1940. 7 copies
Directive No. 16 -- On Preparations For A Landing Operation Against England
Since England, in spite of her hopeless military situation, shows no signs of being ready to come to an understanding, I have decided to prepare a landing operation against England, and, if necessary, to carry it out.
The aim of this operation will be to eliminate the English homeland as a base for the prosecution of the war against Germany and, if necessary, to occupy it completely."
But as we both know the first phase of the operation, that being the battle of Britain, was smashed, meaning the rest of the plan was academic. The operation had been stopped in its first phase. What would be described in common parlance as "A resounding British victory".
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