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@mhern57 Hahahah complete bollocks. How can a gun such as Bismarck's 38cm SK C/40 with a circular error probability (CEP) of 100 meters radius (that means it has a 50% chance to land ANYWHERE within a 200 meter (660ft) wide circle, the other 50% chance is it lands even FURTHER away from the aiming point outside of the 200 meter circle) at the range of the Denmark Strait engagement (that is 8-9 nautical miles), be targetted at a specific point on a ship I.E Hood's 4in HA magazine? As for the "luck" of the Fleet Air Arm strike on Bismarck's rudders, it was only a repeat of what the Fleet Air Arm had already done to the Italian battleship Vittorio Veneto at the battle of Cape Matapan 3 months earlier, and the same as a Japanese torpedo bomber did to HMS Prince of Wales 7 months later. Wehraboo much?
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Never intended to invade. Hahahaa.... just sacrificed the creme of their airforce, assembled 30 divisions in North Eastern France and stripped their inland waterways of over 2000 barges for conversion to troop transports "for a laugh" I suppose?
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@MarkHarrison733 Of course the barges were unsuitable.... didn't stop the nazis from massing then in the channel ports and their planning of Seelöwe though. As for second sentence, just more delusional BS not worth a reply "Mark".
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@MilitaryHistoryVisualized Thank you for your kind reply. Excellent video of Stalin's prewar terror btw.
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"Obsolete"? Are you sure about that?
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@kevin32435 I understand what you were saying originally, I was just highlighting that nothing happens in a vacuum, if the Germans had mounted a larger Atlantic offensive, then if necessary Britain would have stripped her other fleets to shore up the Atlantic, as it was THE number one most important piece of oceanic real estate in her global trade network, and then having done that (redeploying more of her ships closer to home), the geo-military / political "what ifs" REALLY increase massively.
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The truth of the matter is if the lucky shot doesn't penetrate Hood's magazine, Hood closes in on Bismarck for a well balanced close in "knife fight" which probably sees both Hood & Bismarck crippled or sunk south of Iceland.
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@looinrims Read again, there are no question marks in either post. They're both STATEMENTS that do not require an answer. Basic English comprehension really.
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@looinrims By you typing "Who Asked?" it is implicit that you believe someone has asked a question. As I stated above, NEITHER of the statements is a question, are you still following? (btw that WAS a question). There was no asking, and therefore no answer was required.... The OP made a statement, and I followed with a contextual statement, its clear to EVERYONE but thickhead you that no question has been asked at all. Read the OP, and then read my response, and then use your planet sized intellect to understand the context & meaning of my statement. Buddy. Hahaha. P.S I'll give your planet sized intellect a gentle nudge to help it along..... my response has used mimicry and transposition. Does that help? Now do you understand? No?... ah well, there's no helping some people, is there? (Sorry if I overloaded you with questions in my last few sentences.)
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We didn't have a Westminster full of corrupted globalist stooge puppets in 1940.
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@elliotchinneryhinks8554 The Germans while being superb engineers (well at least they used to be, not quite so sure now) really didn't have a good grasp of logistics, organisational management and economics. Lower numbers of massively over engineered but beautiful weapons, that required large amounts of highly skilled maintenance on the battle field that ended up being used by untrained kids, Vs Mass produced, easily repaired and skeletonised weapons wielded by armies that just got stronger and more capable as the was dragged on.
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@elliotchinneryhinks8554 Always good to talk with polite and well informed commenters like yourself Elliot. All to often such discussions can end up with ill informed angry kids flaming in their own ignorance. All the best from the UK.
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NOT at "the government's expense" but at the expense of the UK taxpayer.
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@Boppy-B-B I'm with you on the "too slow" ... It's nonsense. A good starting point is wikipedias entry for the "Stabilisierter Leitstand" which were the dome headed AA fire directors onboard German warships.
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Wrong.
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If you really want to get a taste of some WW2 north Atlantic naval strategy why not look at "board gaming" options? Yes it requires a player to learn the rules, but so do the likes of HOI. "Atlantic Chase" by GMT gaming, would not be a bad starting point.
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Simplified generalisations only satisfy the "goldfish".... those who seek some deeper knowledge demand a little bit more "nourishment".
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Will their be an accompanying video cataloging the crimes against humanity of the Soviet NKVD? I like people to realise that political murderers come in all colours and creeds.
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The Proximity fuse was designed by the BRITISH and the plans were handed to the US as a part of the Tizard Mission in 1940.
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Interesting, but the outcome would never be in doubt. A major loss for the kriegsmarine. The British empire could withstand the loss of its colonies (as it did after the war) if it really had to. RN assets from the Indian Ocean and far east would have been withdrawn to protect any "en masse" attack at the North Atlantic, which was Britains No1. priority. At NO point in the war did the Kriegsmarine have the potential to seriously challenge the RN. The Germans were very much primarily a land force, Britain by the very nature of her empire was primarily a naval superpower.
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Guess what was first western tank to knock out the over engineered Tiger I with its peashooter......and did it FRONTALLY as well?
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"Most recent", does NOT necessarily mean "most advanced". Bismarck had MANY outdated design choices which came back to haunt her during her failed Atlantic mission.
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Sigue soñando.
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Kept within its post WW1 borders would have been a good start.
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Not watched the whole video yet, but if it suggests there was "No defeat of either protagonist" then its completely wrong. Nazi Germany sought to knock Britain out of the war....and failed. Simple as that. Nazi Germany unquestionably suffered its first strategic defeat, and in doing so damaged its cadre of combat pilots which it would sorely miss during "Barbarossa".
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Another fool who thinks the rest of "the west" hasn't EQUALLY been flooded with the brown tide. I suggest you look at the weekly riots that have been racking Paris for the last 5-6 years, or the middle eastern rape festival that happens every so often in Germany.
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And gave them free housing, clothes, cars and everything !!!!
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All of what you suggest was indeed possible, but do you think it would have happened in a vacuum? Don't you think that British planning would have meant an even greater number of ships built and deployed in the north Atlantic if Graf Zeppelin had been completed? There was NEVER a cat in hells chance of the Kriegsmarine seriously challenging the RN.
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@mystikmind2005 You're creating an alternate history (Tirpitz and Graf Zeppelin sortie with Bismarck), and I'm correctly suggesting that if there was the potential for that to happen, the British could have easily outbuilt the Kriegsmarine due to Britain's MUCH larger ship building capacity, and the Royal Navy operations division would have also redeployed further assets from other fleets to counter the threat to her North Atlantic "jugular artery".
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@mystikmind2005 "we are talking about one specific mission"... yes with an aircraft carrier that was never completed, and if it had been the British Government & Royal Navy would have planned accordingly. Ships aren't pulled out of hat like a magician's raabit y'know? Of course if the Germans had more ships they'd have had more strategic options, but what I originally said still stands.... if Germany had built more ships Britain had FAR greater ship building capacity and would have bankrupted itself even earlier to keep its unquestionaed naval superiority, The Lion class battleship program would certainly have gone full steam ahead for a start.
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@mystikmind2005 "the strategic value of an aircraft carrier was not widely recognized in those times"? Maybe by some. The Nazis, French with their decrepit Bearn, and Italians (though the Italians weren't so in need of them as a large part of "their sea" (the Med) could be covered by land based aircraft). But do you think Britain wasted millions building SEVEN aircraft carriers before the outbreak of war were unaware of their importance? The Kriegsmarine was impatient as you say, and much more could have been achieved with the coordinated use of all of the Kriegsmarine's meagre assets, but they were under pressure to produce results quickly against Britain, before the opening of Barbarossa, to prove their worth to the "land-lubber" Hitler, and guarantee his future support for their service before the war in the east took Hitler's mind completely away from them, hence their rush to get an inadequate force to sea now, than a more capable force to sea later.
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The "ball-shaped Anti-Aircraft-turrets" I think you're referring to, are 4 meter wide rangefinders for the 10.5 cm SK C/33 anti aircraft guns. They were designated as SL8 rangefinders. "SL" stood for "Stabilisierter Leitstand" or "stabilised command post". They were known as "Wackeltopf" literally "wobbly pot" due to their "wobbling" stabilising motion when at sea.
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Yes seeing as one of them got trounced in 6 days.
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@madman026 Kriegmarine ran out of ships while RN hardly broke sweat. chill
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@madman026 "Saved our asses"? Oh, you mean the US hanging back out of the war bleeding her no 1 global competitor dry? Looks like its gonna be a good show for the rest of us, seeing the US get its ass handed to it by China, as your defunct society continues to collapse. Welcome to the new world.
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@madman026 "Send our whole Atlantic fleet", yes if you've got the numbers it would be stupid not to use them. The "whole fleet" wasn't needed to sink the mediocre 1930s nazi tub (HMS Rodney did most of the work herself) what it was needed for was to find and corral the "nazi needle" in the 41 million square mile North Atlantic "haystack".
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@percyprune7548 Lt Comm Eugene Esmonde who led HMS Victorious' swordfish attack on Bismarck on the 25th May 1941, also flew against the German ships in the channel dash, and along with the majority of his 6 crews from 825 Sqd FAA were as you say lost during the incredibly brave, but doomed attack.
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Though if Germany had continued beefing up its navy, Britain, which had far greater ship building capacity, would have outstripped any increase in German naval power.
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Not forgetting that the longest ranged hit in battleship history was achieved by HMS Warspite, using the Mk VII Admiralty Fire Control Table to direct her fire.
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It wasn't that Bismarck was a "behemoth" that needed 60 ships to destroy it, but the fact it was part of a small but powerful task force that could strike at will and then hide in the vastness of the north Atlantic at a time when there were large areas unreachable by search aircraft, no satellite surveillance and only rudimentary short range radar. In the end 2 battleships and 2 heavy cruisers put Bismarck on the ocean floor. Just the same as if you carry out a manhunt for an escaped lunatic in a large forest, it will take hundreds to corral the loony, but only a small number to put him in chains.
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Tanks are abandoned when in retreat. Hence why the Germans recovered so few tanks after 1942.
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The fictional shooting down of the swordfish were included in the film to raise the "jeopardy" factor of the hunt, as was the sinking of the fictitious "HMS Solent".
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Tell me how RAF bombers are used in defending Britain againsts massed luftwaffe air raids?
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@AnthonyBrown12324 So no direct effect on defending against German air raids then. That's cool.
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@AnthonyBrown12324 No bomber command flew offensive operations over France, but took no part in the defensive air battles over the UK, hence the "battle of Britain", and not the "battle of Britain & France"..
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The Swordfish rolled a "20"? What on earth did Bismarck roll when if fired at HMS Hood?
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The mixture of SL6 and SL7 AA fire directors and of different mounts for the heavy AA guns themselves fitted on Bismarck were not so much "outdated" as incompatible with each other.
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If Prof Avery said all that the he is partly wrong... there very much WAS a "loser" of the battle of Britain. NO if's or but's about it !!!!
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@MilitaryHistoryVisualized 0:20 You have quoted Professor Richard Overy, and near the end of the quote he says "(battles) usually end with the defeat of one protagonist or the other...(this) cannot be said of the Battle of Britain". Hence my "there very much WAS a "loser" of the battle of Britain"... the loser being the luftwaffe... who were tasked with the destruction of the RAF south of the Thames, they completely failed in that task and lost a few thousand first class aircraft and aircrew in the process.
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@MilitaryHistoryVisualized Are you mistaking the word "destroyed" for "defeated" The luftwaffe were clearly assigned a task and CLEARLY failed in achieving it. A bit like the wehrmacht during Operation citadel in July Aug 1943.... they set out with a task... completely failed in it but the German army still existed afterwards.... was "Citadel" also "not a defeat"?
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