Comments by "" (@walterkronkitesleftshoe6684) on "Knowledgia"
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Do you naively believe that countries maintain ruinously expensive standing armies, ready at a moments notice to spring into action anywhere in the world?
Britain and France reacted as quickly as they could to mobilise their armies to the surprise assault on Poland on 1st Sept 1939.
The British Royal Navy IMMEDIATELY instigated the "North sea blockade" that had effectively strangled Germany out of WW1.
The RAF did not have the range to attack nazi forces in Poland and refused to bomb the German mainland as they did not want to spread the war but contain Germany. Though they did IMMEDIATELY attack German naval units at sea.
The British army IMMEDIATELY initiated the transfer of its regular army units to France as the BEF (British Expeditionary Force). By Dec 1939 it had just 3 full strength divisions ready in France. It took till April 1940 for us to asemble 10 full divisions and 3 reserve divisions on the borders of Belgium. Poland collapsed after 5 weeks.
The French army, which was by FAR the largest of the two nations, bungled its own mobilisation. It conscripted so many of its population that it crippled its own economy, and had to release countless thousands of soldiers to man her factories again.
But remember this..... if it hadn't been for the British & French declaration of war in 1939, regardless of their inability to give meaningful support to Poland in its "hour of need", or if the UK had surrendered in june 1940 after the collapse of France (as the ENTIRE world expected us to) then Poland would have remained under nazi domination for DECADES. Remember that apart from Britain and France (who between them collectively squandered 1.1 million of their own citizen's lives, bankrupted themselves as nations, and ended up losing their empires) absolutely NO ONE ELSE in the so called "international community" raised a finger or cared whether Poland existed or not in 1939.
Without the continued opposition of the British empire to nazism from June 1940 onwards, opposition which bankrupted the UK and cost her 460,000 of her citizen's lives, there would have been:
NO D-Day and war in the Meditteranean to draw sizeable wehrmacht resources from the war on the Eastern Front.
NO strategic bombing of German cities and war industries.
NO interdiction of German global sea trade by the Royal Navy.
NO massive supply of weapons and war materiel from the west to the USSR, once their former allies nazi Germany had turned on them.
NO utterly crucial strategic intelligence courtesy of Britain's (not Poland's before you say it) "ULTRA" program.
With the result that the USSR would have collapsed somewhere in 1942/43, leaving the nazis in control of the whole of Europe, and their extermination camps still operating on Polish soil into the 1950s, 60s, or even 70s.
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@JagerFrostTroll Ok, try this on for size.
You say "(Hitler) wanted to show goodwill to the British by letting them go".
Here are the opening paragraphs of "Fuhrer Directive 13" ("Fuhrer Directives" were Hitler's direct orders to the OKW, or German armed forces high command). This one (number 13) was issued on 24th May, 1940, 2 days before the start of the Dunkirk evacuation.
"The Leader And Supreme Commander Of The Armed Forces.
The Fuhrer's Headquarters.
24th May, 1940. 7 copies
Directive No. 13
1. The next object of our operations is to annihilate the French, English, and Belgian forces which are surrounded in Artois and Flanders, by a concentric attack by our northern flank and by the swift seizure of the Channel coast in this area.
The task of the Air Force will be to break all enemy resistance on the part of the surrounded forces, to prevent the escape of the English forces across the Channel, and to protect the southern flank of Army Group A.
The enemy airforce will be engaged whenever opportunity offers."
While you naively believe "(Hitler) wanted to show goodwill to the British by letting them go", Hitler himself told his generals that he wanted to "annihilate the French, English, and Belgian forces which are surrounded in Artois and Flanders, by a concentric attack".
The ball as they say is in your court.... I await your response.
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When devious nazi fanbois and other assorted uninformed loons say "Hitler never wanted war with Britain and France" they ALWAYS miss off the part that says "until he was ready for it on his OWN terms".
Because of course Hitler laid all his hopes on being left to expand the nazi empire EASTWARDS in peace, assimilate his new found conquests with their collective economies and resources, further build up his military power and only THEN conquer Britain & France, as they had already attempted TWICE BEFORE in the previous 70 years, once in 1870 and again in 1914, the THIRD attempt in 1940 was precipitated by the British and French not sitting and waiting for it to happen on Hitler's terms. Have you never wondered why Hitler's regime was called the "THIRD Reich" before?.
If we had've waited the outcome would have been much MUCH different from the destruction of nazism in 1945. Not confronting Hitler in 1939 would have resulted with Britain by the late 1940s onwards having:
A puppet nazi government, a nazi supporting King Edward VIII restored to the throne, and the UK as a nazi satellite state.
Extermination camps in the Cotswolds, Pennines & Scottish Highlands.
SS Einsatzgruppen stalking the shires looking to find "undesirables" to summarily execute.
All UK males of working age being deported to the reich to be slaved to death in nazi armaments factories or infrastructure projects.
And now, slimy nazi fanbois and other devious loons want the uninformed to think that letting Hitler conduct his plans undisturbed would mean that we would have a Britain today filled with Rose cottages, warm beer, bar skittles, Morris dancers & village cricket.
How utterly devious those people are, people with greater awareness of the situation don't fall for their nazi apologist nonsense.
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The only "stupid person" here seems to be you.
I only need to provide a SINGLE piece of verifiable information to prove my point. What better than the order issued by none other the Adolf Hitler himself? Below I've "copy and pasted" the preamble to Hitler's "Fuhrerbefehl No. 16" (Fuhrer Directive 16) issued from the Reichchancellery on 16th July 1940 to the German armed forces high command (OKW).
The directive would have been sent over landlines encrypted in what the Germans believed was an unbreakable code, showing that it was NOT for the digest of the British and simply designed to intimidate them into coming to the surrender table, but was a true indication of Hitler's intent.
"The Fuhrer And Supreme Commander Of The Armed Forces.
The Fuhrer's Headquarters. 16th July, 1940. 7 copies
Directive No. 16 -- On Preparations For A Landing Operation Against England
Since England, in spite of her hopeless military situation, shows no signs of being ready to come to an understanding, I have decided to prepare a landing operation against England, and, if necessary, to carry it out.
The aim of this operation will be to eliminate the English homeland as a base for the prosecution of the war against Germany and, if necessary, to occupy it completely."
But as we both know the first phase of the operation, that being the battle of Britain, was smashed, meaning the rest of the plan was academic. The operation had been stopped in its first phase. What would be described in common parlance as "A resounding British victory".
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@glowiak3430 Your ignorqance (and ingratitude) are ASTOUNDING.
Just remember that if it hadn't been for the British & French declaration of war in 1939, regardless of their inability to give meaningful support to Poland in its "hour of need", or if the UK had surrendered in june 1940 after the collapse of France (as the ENTIRE world expected us to) then Poland would have remained under nazi domination for DECADES. Remember that apart from Britain and France (who between them collectively squandered 1.1 million of their own citizen's lives, as well as both bankrupting themselves as nations) absolutely NO ONE in the so called "international community" raised a finger or cared whether Poland existed or not in 1939.
Without the continued opposition of the British empire to nazism from June 1940 onwards, there would have been:
NO D-Day and war in the Meditteranean to draw sizeable wehrmacht resources from the war on the Eastern Front.
NO strategic bombing of German cities and war industries.
NO interdiction of German global sea trade by the Royal Navy.
NO massive supply of weapons and war materiel from the west to the USSR, once their former allies nazi Germany had turned on them.
NO utterly crucial strategic intelligence courtesy of Britain's (not Poland's before you say it) "ULTRA" program.
With the result that the USSR would have collapsed somewhere in 1942/43, leaving the nazis in control of the whole of Europe, and their extermination camps still operating on Polish soil into the 1950s, 60s, or even 70s.
For those Ignorant modern day Poles, on your way out, please remember to kneel at the altar dedicated to the combined 1.1 million lives sacrificed by the UK and France in order to topple the nazism that was murdering and torturing YOUR country when NOBODY else cared whether you lived or died.
Hearing the likes of you in these comments makes some of us here in the UK wonder if we'd have been better off to leave the nazis to murder some more of you, as there was NO way on earth you were EVER going to liberate yourselves. Think of all those British and French lives we could have saved, as well as not bankrupting OUR countries on YOUR behalf.
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