Comments by "betabenja" (@betabenja) on "Reuters"
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Voodoo Child on re-reading, it strikes me that you might have taken the original post seriously, despite the phrase "I'm not potty trained". I can't quite tell where you're coming from.
Anyway. Fauchi had a job before the pandemic, in co-ordiating the nations departments to identify and research diseases, roll out standard vaccines, coordinate public responses to outbreaks of anti-vaxxer measels, keep hospital standards up, combat super bugs in hospitals, increase safety precaustions and equipment, co-ordinate funding and co-operation for disease control abroad, fund virology research, combat the overuse of antibacterials, and their impending failure, develop better antibacterials, and monitor the overall health of the population looking out for new dangers to health.
He still does all that, he's not a cheer leader.
in terms of the corona virus, he's co-ordinating and overseeing the development of a vaccine, and, it would seem, the most important thing of not losing his job while trying to explain to the most idiotic and petulant president on earth that he's wrong.
so, I think perhaps, you might be underestimating what his job entails, and thinking that it's just telling you to wear a mask. perhaps, that just because that's the bit you can see in front of you.
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@DrDaddy-yg2ki if you look carefully, the video is astoundingly well referenced. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4646082/ in particular came to the conclusion that they are 95% effective at removing viruses, from 2013. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7293495/ gives many varying sizes for droplets, but most droplets are the same in size, whether or not they are carrying flu or covid. As you are informing me, presumably after watching the youtube video, since it makes the same exact point, you have a reponsibility to wear the mask properly, and ill fitting masks will bypass the filter.
Suffice to say, the masks are certainly trapping the majority of viral particulates; that in combination with social distancing, (since the second study also comes to the conclusion that unless you are coughed or sneezed on from some dick not wearing a mask), you have a very good chance of being protected.
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@ultrabellok this is the classic 'I give up' post. 'I have not provided any sources or evidence, you have, but I'm not going to look at them, I'll repeat what I said even though it has been debunked I have no evidence, so this is my last post on the matter and here's an insult'. great stuff.
Pandemic: A pandemic (from Greek πᾶν, pan, "all" and δῆμος, demos, "people") is an epidemic of an infectious disease that has spread across a large region, for instance multiple continents or worldwide, affecting a substantial number of people
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pandemic
"if you need a government to legislate wearing a mask, instead of you having the capacity for acting like an adult in your own life and making decisions accordingly... you already have bigger problems"
we do have bigger problems. it's people saying masks do not work. that is why the government needs to step in. because people can't act like adults.
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@ultrabellok the second sign off! we're progressing to full abstension. I'd point out that wikipedia is generally relatively accurate. For a different source, from the oxford dictionary of epidemiology: “an epidemic occurring worldwide, or over a very wide area, crossing international boundaries and usually affecting a large number of people”. sound familiar? pretty much the same. https://pestcontrol.ru/assets/files/biblioteka/file/19-john_m_last-a_dictionary_of_epidemiology_4th_edition-oxford_university_press_usa_2000.pdf
Maybe you might provide some counter evidence from disparate sources before trying to mock mine. My safe space is the space of all information available, with some critical thinking added. Not so safe, huh? What's yours? Right wing media? Hard to tell when you never back yourself up.
But you're right, 'worldwide' includes all first world countries, but 'over a wide area' does not. However, this IS over the whole globe. so DOES include all first world countries. not by definition, by fact, in this case. And that is why they are wearing masks outside of hospitals where before they were not; an epidemic, for instance, might not affect countries on the other side of the world, so doctors in those countries don't need to wear masks. Plus, this virus kills at a higher rate. It is not the flu.
this is not rocket science.
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@ravenrock541 so, I've not looked too hard into this, but there are a couple of points. The article that this is based on is not a study, but a perspective, not based on an experiment: https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMp2006372 . In it, it discusses whether all medical staff should wear a mask, not jut those in ppe equipment. It states
"First and foremost, a mask is a core component of the personal protective equipment (PPE) clinicians need when caring for symptomatic patients with respiratory viral infections, in conjunction with gown, gloves, and eye protection." -
this is an admittance that masks do indeed provide a level of protection; their argument seems to be that masks don't provide enough protection in a hospital setting:
"A mask alone in this setting will reduce risk only slightly, however, since it does not provide protection from droplets that may enter the eyes or from fomites on the patient or in the environment that providers may pick up on their hands and carry to their mucous membranes"
although, this is not actually backed up by any referenced study. But, given this is concerning ppe usage in a hospital setting, it's probably good to back to what they say about using masks outside of a hospital:
"We know that wearing a mask outside health care facilities offers little, if any, protection from infection. Public health authorities define a significant exposure to Covid-19 as face-to-face contact within 6 feet with a patient with symptomatic Covid-19 that is sustained for at least a few minutes .. The chance of catching Covid-19 from a passing interaction in a public space is therefore minimal."
the argument here is that masks are not worthwhile because you're unlikely to catch the disease anyway. So, firstly, this does not say that they don't work; secondly, it suggests that the virus spread is so unlikely that masks are not needed - this is demonstrably not true.
either way, it looks like this is one article in a bunch of opinion pieces which are discussing the effectiveness of masks, e.g
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0020748920302005?via%3Dihub#bib0001
"Mass-masking, no less than altruism, would work more than an individual level in community settings. It may lead to a significant reduction of the basic reproduction number of SARS-CoV-2 and consequently may portray an effect parallel to herd immunity"
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https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)30918-1/fulltext
But, again, these are just opinion pieces.
Generally, they all agree that masks do work for protecting against breathing in the virus, but they need to be properly fitted, and overall risk reduction is achieved by hygiene, facial protection and distancing.
one article attempts to use studies:
http://www.ijrc.in/article.asp?issn=2277-9019;year=2020;volume=9;issue=2;spage=149;epage=152;aulast=Sharma
and concludes: "Therefore, social distancing, meticulous hand hygiene and respiratory etiquettes have significant role in curbing the infection transmission rather than use of face mask alone. However, people may use multilayer cloth face covering especially in the areas of significant community based transmission but it should not be used as substitute for social distancing. .. Frontline health care workers caring for confirmed or suspected case of COVID-19 must use N95 mask at least when they have a risk of exposure to aerosols."
i.e masks work to reduce risk of overall transmission but are not a substitution for all other measures.
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@ginganinga1010 I agree, people should scrutinise evidence, I apologise for insinuating you were coming down on one side or the other. However, the study here says it has no evidence one way or the other:
From the link above: "Most studies were underpowered because of limited sample size, and some studies also reported suboptimal adherence in the face mask group" also, "Study designs in the 7 household studies were slightly different: 1 study provided face masks and P2 respirators for household contacts only (34), another study evaluated face mask use as a source control for infected persons only (35), and the remaining studies provided masks for the infected persons as well as their close contacts"
this suggests that this meta study itself is a study of potentially inaccurate studies, some with little control over the subject's use of masks, nor having large enough sample sizes for a statistical conclusion.
Still; it is a significant paper. here is a more recent study from the same source, suggesting "Although evidence is limited for their effectiveness in preventing transmission of severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2, either for source control or to reduce exposure, the wearing of masks by healthy persons may prevent potential asymptomatic or presymptomatic transmission (3). This marginal reduction in transmission may produce substantial results, particularly when it is implemented early." https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/26/8/20-1498_article#r2
but again, the methodology is not tightly locked down. That study also references one specifically including the corona virus: "Our results indicate that surgical face masks could prevent transmission of human coronaviruses and influenza viruses from symptomatic individuals." https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-020-0843-2 but again, sample sizes seem small, even if the study looks to have have randomised its samples and performed the study in a controlled manner.
I guess, it is up to us to evaluate these sources, but at least you are providing some for scrutiny. For that, thanks. we need more like you on the side of the discussion, otherwise it's like shining a torch into a void.
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@benjaminallen105 Wow, a massive bailout for the banks, just like Obama did, except with the GOP causing the issue twice in a row? How irresponsible. We all know how irresponsible that was from Obama, right? Trump should not be borrowing so much money and cutting taxes causing one of the most fiscally irresponsible meteoric rise in Debt, then, I guess! Or removing regulations for banks holding capital so the banks don't collapse when the market collapses. But HEy! Trump had a great economy!
It's all the GOP have ever done. Destabilise the system, steal the money, leave the democrats to pick up the pieces. Pity for Trump it's come just too early. Don't worry, the Dems will dig you out again, like Obama had to. And all the GOP can suck up the money while you're complaining about too much regulation. The cycle continues.
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