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  332.  @HANSMKAMP  of course you don't believe it, you've been fed a carefully constructed narrative through anti western outlets, supported by the same narrative on social media by Russian troll farms. There are other falsehoods that are also fed in to support the narrative: That Zelensky wasn't democratically elected - he was in 2019, beating incumbent president Petro Poreshenko. That Ukraine killed 14,000 civilians in the Donbas - total civilian casualties 2014-21 was 4000, 1000 of those in 2014, 900 in 2015. In the 3 years between Zelensky being elected and the February 2022 invasion by Russia the civilian death toll was about 75 on both sides, and the majority of those were from landmines and unexploded munitions mostly planted or fired in earlier years. In those 3 years the civilian death toll from active military operations was about 10 per year on both sides, the conflict was petering out, with static lines of control. Life was actually fairly on both sides in the Donbas. There's a UN monitor report online with the details. After Yanukovych fled there was an armed revolt in the Donbas supported by Moscow that attacked police stations and other government people and facilities that didn't support the revolt, so it was the separatists that initiated the violence, it was after that that the violence really kicked off with efforts by the Ukraine government to suppress the revolt. Russia supported the revolt and war against Ukraine from the outset - (Putin actually acknowledged that in one interview).
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  481. The Euromaidan started in November 2013, it was a popular protest to President Viktor Yanukovych’s sudden decision not to sign the EU association agreement that had been worked out between the Ukraine Government and the EU. Yanukovych announced instead that he would seek closer ties with Russia. Ukraine’s parliament had overwhelmingly approved of implementing the agreement with the EU, Yanukovych changed his mind about the agreement after having a little chat with Putin. Russia pushed a narrative that it was a US plot to orchestrate a coup against Yanukovych. This narrative does not stand up to critical thought. Why would hundreds of thousands of Ukrainian’s revolt against their government because the US wanted them to? Isn’t it just a tad more likely that they were not zombies under the mind control powers of Victoria Nuland, but rather normal human beings acting in their own interests? If Victoria Nuland has the power to influence hundreds of thousands of Ukrainians to revolt against their president in this way, why on earth hasn’t she been sent to Moscow?? Since the Euromaiden Revolution there have been two elections in Ukraine, in 2014, shortly after Yanukovych fled the country Petro Poroshenko was elected, in 2019 Zelinsky was successful when he stood against Poroshenko, comfortably defeating him. Poroshenko is currently actively working against the Russian aggression, both in encouraging Ukrainian’s and calling for more international support. The figure of 14,000 dead is from the UN observers, that figure includes military and paramilitary on both sides and civilian deaths. By year the civilian deaths are: 2014 2084 2015 955 2016 112 2017 117 2018 58 2019 27 2020 26 2021 25 So total civilian deaths on both sides is just over 3,400 up until the February 2022 Russian invasion. It should be noted that the level of conflict reduced substantially after 2015 and again after Zelensky was elected in 2019. The civilian deaths from active military operations in 2019 -2021 was less than half those total civilian deaths, most of the deaths being caused by explosive remnants of war and land mines expended and planted in the earlier years of the conflict. Since the February Russian invasion Russia has killed over 10,000 civilians in the Donbas through their indiscriminate shelling, which utterly destroyed Mariupol. Boyd W, your claim the Nato has pushed Ukraine towards Nato membership is nonsense, in fact Nato has done the exact opposite. It has not invited Ukraine to join and has made it clear to Ukraine that under the situation that existed between 2014 and 2022 Ukraine COULD NOT JOIN NATO. Your claim that Nato has pushed for Ukraine to host Nukes is beyond ridiculous. There are no nukes in any of the countries that joined Nato after 1990 and the only Nato nukes based in Europe are in 6 bases that hosted them prior to 1990, all of those bases are over 2000km from Moscow and the only nukes that are there are B61 free fall bombs to be carried by the aircraft of the host nations. The Crimea "referendum" happened after Russia gained control of Crimea and has been ruled illegal by the UN and is not considered to have been honest, there were no international observers permitted and there were irregularities. "Russian intel discovered Ukraine was about to launch a major offensive to attempt to steamroll the Ukrainian breakaway regions & Crimea." That claim is complete nonsense the only party that claims there was such an offensive planned is Russia, while Russia lied about it's own planned offensive right up until it was launch.
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  516.  @CartoonMashupManiacs  so you're one of those that buy the narrative that Victoria Nuland used her mind control powers to persuade hundreds of thousands of Ukrainians to revolt against their president forcing him to flee the country. Here's a narrative that actually makes sense: Victor Yanukovych was elected on a promise of building closer ties with the European Union to eventually get Ukraine into the EU. His government was achieving that goal with an association agreement having been drawn up with the EU, this association agreement had been endorsed by the Ukrainian parliament, all that was required was Yanukovych's signature, but Yanukovych spoke to Putin who persuaded him to ditch the agreement with the EU and instead enter into an equivalent agreement with Russian. Ukrainian's had witnessed other East European countries enter the EU and benefit from considerable economic growth as a result. The prospect of again being a Russia puppet state, like Belarus currently is, held no appeal to them so they revolted against the corrupt president that had betrayed them. The Ukrainian parliament endorsed the revolution against Yanukovych, and ensured new elections were held within 3 months. In those elections Petro Poreshenko was elected president, four years later, in the sceduled 2019 elections, Zelensky defeated incumbent Poreshenko in the first round. Now there's a narrative that fits reality and doesn't require Victoria Nuland to somehow mind control hundreds of thousands of people to revolt against a presumably popular president.
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  631.  @nlorand9033  "killed civilians since 2014" The civilian death toll in the Donbas since 2014 is around 3,500 on both sides. The intensity of that conflict has dropped substantially since the first year; In 2014 it was about 2000, in 2015 about 900, in the last three years it's been around 20/year, with half of those deaths being caused by from mines and explosive residue of war planted or expended in the earlier years. "Ukrainian democracy is silencing jailing and killing critics" In the 2014 Ukraine elections Petro Porashenko was the winner, in the 2019 election Zelinsky defeated Poroshenko. Poroshenko is very much alive and working to support the Ukrainian efforts to evict the Russians from Ukraine. If killing critics is a concern of yours - and it should be - you should check out the situation in Russia where critics are routinely imprisoned and killed. "Ukraine government Kill list" You're referring to the Myrotvorets web site run privately by former Ukraine politician George Tuka. It is not a "kill list", though it's described as such by Russian propagandists, on the site it's described as a list of people: "whose actions have signs of crimes against the national security of Ukraine, peace, human security, and the international law". If it were a "kill list" one would expect at least one person on the list to have been murdered as it's been up for 8 years. "Negotiations . . . for peace" The time for negotiations is when Russia ends it's imperialist invasion of its neighbor and takes its army home. At this stage negotiating with Putin would be as pointless as negotiating with Hitler in August 1944. You go on to mention US military actions/invasions of other countries in the past while defending the Russian invasion. This is a logical inconsistency I've pointed out numerous times on this site: If you condemn US military invasions because of the many thousands of deaths they cause, morally you should also be condemning the Russian invasion which has also caused many tens of thousands of deaths. Compare the tens of thousands killed in Ukraine in the last year to the approximately 10 deaths a year (UN observers mission reports) on both sides in the Donbas in recent years from shelling. How can anyone justify the Russian aggression when it's taken so many lives?
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