Comments by "andrew worth" (@andrewworth7574) on "‘There’d Be Nothing Left If…’: Heated Exchange Between Russia u0026 Ukraine Over Kyiv Hospital Attack" video.

@philipfry9065 the evidence is what makes it true. Go look at the analysis by bellingcat: Russian missile identified in Kyiv children's hospital attack. You can then make an informed judgement.
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I don't believe Russia deliberately targeted the hospital, but bellingcat's analysis of the video of the missile ("Russian missile identified in Kyiv children's hospital attack") makes it beyond doubt that it was a kh-101. I assume that, unlike other supporters of Russia, you don't claim that the deaths and injuries of civilians on the beach near Servastopol was a deliberate attack?
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@mikewardrop5962 there you would be wrong, the kh-101 is a Russian missile designed in the 1990's, and entering service after 2010.
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@dwightsunn3937 you're the one not thinking, his point is that Russia uses force and intimidation, you pointing to the results of a rigged referendum, condemned by the UN as such, is not a refutation that the referendum was rigged.
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@deruntergangvannederland1868 I agree that the hospital was almost certainly not the target (or if it was, it wasn't recognized as a hospital). Similarly, the claim that Ukraine deliberately used very precious atacms missiles against beach goers is also ridiculous.
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@lelanalela7932 verifiable facts is what makes things true.
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@junominame2490 the warhead in an aim-120 is about half the size of a 155mm artillery projectile, would a single 155mm round do that much damage? No
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Kh-101 verified by bellingcat. "Russian missile identified in Kyiv children's hospital attack "
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Bellingcat has an analysis of the missile from the video: Russian missile identified in Kyiv children's hospital attack. The visual evidence is that it was certainly a Kh-101, and certainly not an aim-120.
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@artkutyuska9842 to determine the size of the warhead you'd need to do an on-site analysis, these factors will have a significant effect on the amount of damage that's apparent from your phone: What materials is the building built from. How heavy is the construction, how much reinforcing is in the structure. How was the blast directed, some warheads focus the explosive energy forward to penetrate into structures, others are more disbursed in the direction of the blast. Where in or near the structure was the detonation, at ground level, inside but near the roof, outside? A 50kg warhead could do more damage to a lightly constructed building than a 500kg warhead to a heavily constructed and reenforced building. Also rule of thumb, a 10x larger warhead only causes 3x the damage, much of the energy released is wasted.
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@artkutyuska9842 you can't judge the size of the warhead by looking at your phone, there are unknowns, like exactly where in the building it detonated, and how heavily was the building constructed. In the Oklahoma bombing there would have been little damage if a poorly secured beam not been lifted off its supports, when it moved, all the structures above it was left unsupported.
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@deruntergangvannederland1868 I don't follow what you're saying, there were many missiles fired at many targets. In some cases obviously multiple missiles on the same target.
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@kipschwanenberg4934 In Pravda Ru, their journalist Lyuba Lulko, has a story date and time stamped 08.07.2024 18:14 Title: "Russia strikes Kyiv bunkers annihilating Ukraine and NATO top security officials Ukrainian security officials annihilated near Ohmatdyt children's hospital" In the story: "Russian forces hit an inconspicuous building near the Okhmatdyt children's hospital in Kyiv. The decision-making center of the Ukrainian security forces was located there." That makes it one of the earliest reports from Russia on the strike. After that, as we know, the story changed. So now I think misidentified target rather than stray missile.
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@kipschwanenberg4934 in Pravda Ru Luba Lulko has a story, date and time 08.07.2024 18:14 That makes it among the first reports out of Russia, before the story started to change. Entitled: Ukrainian security officials annihilated near Ohmatdyt children's hospital. In the story: "Russian forces hit an inconspicuous building near the Okhmatdyt children's hospital in Kyiv. The decision-making center of the Ukrainian security forces was located there." So as I see it, more misidentified target than stray missile.
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@kipschwanenberg4934 there's an article in Russian Pravda that makes it clear that the missile was intended to hit "near" the children's hospital. I've twice tried quoting the story, those comments haven't appeared. Lyuba Lulko is the stories author.
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@lelanalela7932 I'm always willing to look at opposing views, it's why I comment here.
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@lelanalela7932 in Pravda Ru, journalist Lyuba Lulko has an article that boasts about the successful missile strike on the building. The reason for the attack was: "The decision-making center of the Ukrainian security forces was located there" It was an early article, written and published before the story needed revising.
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@lelanalela7932 ah yes, Nato controls Russian Pravda. And I thought the Kremlin did.
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@lelanalela7932 and I thought Pravda Russia was controlled by Russia rather than nato.
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@happybike3823 bellingcat has been critical of American actions as well. Labeling them as MI6, just because the evidence they offer doesn't fit with what you want to believe is just hot air. Look at the evidence, address the evidence, if you can't do so, you offer nothing.
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@happybike3823 address the evidence they offer, if you can't, you offer nothing. Bellingcat has also criticised US actions in the past.
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@johnhealy9231 putin has never come clean about his militaries involvement in shooting down Malaysian Airlines flight 17.
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@junominame2490 the claim is an aim-120 amraam fired from a Nasams launcher. The missile is American, the launch system Norwegian/American. It wasn't an aim-120, wrong shape, and too much damage.
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