Comments by "MarcosElMalo2" (@MarcosElMalo2) on "War Crime Analysis for Dummies - how to identify war crime misinformation on video." video.

That reminds me of a probably untrue story about the L.A. riots. If you remember, the national guard was called in. My friend was one of them and he told gullible me this tall tale. His squad was assigned as security for a couple of beat cops who were called out on a break in on the periphery of the riots. One cop went around to the back of the house while the other approached the front door. He turned around and said, “cover me”. So my friend’s squad layed down suppressing fire. 😂 Anyway, I’ve heard this tale several times since and when I confronted my friend, he admitted it never happened to him and that it was bullshit due to the ROE. Funny bullshit, though.
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Thanks, old man. That was a good share. Sincerely, a younger old man
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Apparently there are a number of people who want to put a “time out” clause in the GC.
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@AdverseOpinion right. You have to give them the opportunity to call “time out”, according to the rules of war on some fantasy planet in an alternate reality. Seriously, where do you get this idea that you have to give the enemy the opportunity to surrender in the middle of a fight? The Russian soldiers had the opportunity when the tanks entered the field. They could have thrown down their weapons and walked out with their hands up and a white flag. Once the firefight starts, all bets are off. You hunker down, try to merge with the mud at the bottom of the trench, and hope you survive long enough to surrender. Let me repeat that. There’s no “time outs” in the middle of a firefight.
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In a world of deep fakes, Ryan bucks the trend and makes an add with a shallow fake. And we are all better for it.
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To hell with that, I’ll just say appetizer or can of peas.
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Was it two guys with a third on the stretcher getting attacked? Or was it a group of soldiers, among whom were the two stretcher bearers and the injured soldier? There was the one video of a casevac where a few other soldiers jump in the unmarked vehicle to grab a ride, and that 100% makes the vehicle fair game. It turned the casevac from an evacuation into troop movement.
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@stovedmatt5514 It’s ambiguous at best, and even if it was a white flag, it doesn’t mean a buttoned up tank commander can see it through the smoke. Even from our better view from above, it looks like a piece of white fabric stuck on a tree branch. It’s too bad, but you don’t always get to surrender in the middle of a fight. You don’t get to call time out while someone is shooting at you. If you didn’t take the opportunity immediately after the shooting started, you’re just going to have to hold onto your ass until after and hope you survive long enough to surrender. The smartest thing a Russian soldier can do is surrender at the first opportunity. It’s patriotic, too, as he’ll be able to help his country after it loses to Ukraine. Right now, the Russian soldier is throwing away his own life while helping Putin throw away the well being of Russia. Speaking of “the Russian soldier” what was the deal with the lone soldier returning to the trench? Was he a one man OP or just out taking a crap? Or is a soldier taking a crap considered to be a one man OP? Fart twice, really loudly, if you see them coming.
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Yeah, I thought it was cloth, but in any case it’s hung up in the tree. If someone is waving it, they’re not visible from the drone, and completely invisible from a buttoned down tank whose shots are kicking up a lot of smoke and dust. I’m pretty sure those Russian soldiers in the trench wanted to surrender, but that was not an opportune time. The right time is when the tanks first enter the field, after you were warned that tanks were coming by the guy out taking a crap or having a smoke or jerk. Anyway, who the eff is going to stand up and wave a flag while a tank is shooting you at point blank range? Those Russian boys were too busy seeing who could press themselves deeper into the mud at the bottom of the trench.
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“Hey, do you guys want to call a time out so you can figure things out? We’ll give you five minutes to talk it out amongst yourselves.”
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Apparently, after firing a few warning shots over their heads, you’re supposed to allow the adversary to take a time out so they can decide if they want to surrender. Don’t blame me, it’s in the Bizarro Universe GC. I mean the Lima Non-conformity.
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Even then, timing is important. If you stand up in the middle of a fight while a tank is shooting at you, the tank commander might not see you in time or at all. The time to surrender was when the tanks first entered the field. The Russian squad was warned by that lone soldier who came running back after having his jerk off or taking a crap or whatever. That would have been the perfect time to throw down their weapons, raise a white flag and their hands. Or after, if any survived. You don’t get to call time out in the middle of a fight.
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Gotta disagree with you on the fictional killing of the sniper in FMJ. The fact that it’s both a mercy killing AND a war crime is part of the contradiction Kubrick was highlighting. The sniper was definitely hors de combat, which makes killing her a war crime. Yet killing her mercifully (as she was asking be done) was answering to a higher moral law. And that’s the thing about laws that drive some people crazy. They’re often in conflict with each other. Damned if you do, damned if you don’t. Anyway, that’s just my opinion. In the end we’re discussing a piece of fiction. You or I could probably go more in depth if we wanted, but that would be more enjoyable over beers instead of in the YouTube comments. If that happens someday, I got the first round! 🍻
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@sjonnieplayfull5859 so what I hear you saying is that it sucks to be a ticklish POW.
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@nvelsen1975 lol, you think you’d have time for that? What you need is an urban ghillie suit, disguise yourself as a abandoned shopping cart or a bus bench. But seriously, your safety in unsafe sections of L.A. is a lot stronger during daytime. If it’s after dark, 🤷🏻‍♀️. Personally, my first line of defense is my running shoes. “Feets don’t fail me now!”
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The surrendering unit has some options. They can disarm their comrade. They can pretend they don’t know him and nonchalantly move away. Or they could put as much space between themselves and him as they can, without getting shot themselves. I think if there was one guy in my squad that was always saying things like, “I’d rather die than surrender”, or who was too frikkin’ gung-ho in the stupid jerk way of a true believer, I’d probably jump his ass and tie him up right before the surrender.
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I’ve always been unsure about the Black Diamond. Does that represent Anarchist medical personnel or an expert level ski run?
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@TheLumberjack1987 NO TAG BACKS
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Look again. I think it’s just plastic or cloth hung up on the tree. However, even if it was a white flag of surrender, you ask a good question to which there is a good answer. If the tank commander does not see the surrender because of limited visibility (the tank is buttoned up, there’s a lot of smoke and dust being kicked up, etc.), it’s not a war crime. It’s only a war crime to intentionally shoot at actively surrendering soldiers. If some are surrendering while the ones next to them continue to fight, you aren’t expected to distinguish between them during the heat of battle. Let god sort it out. (If you’re a pantheist, then let god sort out which god should sort it out.) Here’s the thing about the cloth by the tree: even from the superior overhead view from the drone, it’s not completely clear if it’s a surrender flag. For all we know, it’s Putin’s diaper. We cannot expect anyone in a tank with the hatches closed to see clearly what we cannot see clearly from our superior viewpoint. There’s one other thing that makes me doubt it was surrender. Who the hell is going to jump out of the trench to wave a white flag while being fired on by a tank from 20’ or 30’ away? I think I’d be too busy trying to hide under the mud at the bottom of the trench. Remember how there was a lone soldier scrambling back to warn the others before the tanks crossed into the field? That was the time to prepare the white flag and come out with your hands up. Those Russian boys had a chance to surrender before the shooting started. There’s no time outs in the middle of battle.
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Someone made that claim in another comment. If they wanted to surrender, the time to do it was when the tanks entered the field.
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So does “advesary”
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Wrong. You’ve been listening to not particularly smart people who probably claim to be realists, but they’re just dummies.
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YouTube will go down on you like Bobby Brown.
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@MrFusselig depends. Are they using parachutes when they jump? Legitimate target. 😜
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More like from 5-10 yards away. Which actually makes visibility worse, because they’re right up on the smoke and dust kicked up from their shots. 😂 As I keep saying, at that point the Russian boys had already missed their chance to surrender. All they could do was hope they survived long enough to get another chance to surrender. It’s a really bad idea to surrender while a tank is 20’ away, blasting the snot out of your position. I don’t think anyone was waving a white flag because what sort of idiot jumps out of the trench at that point?
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