Comments by "MarcosElMalo2" (@MarcosElMalo2) on "The Lincoln Project"
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@HeyMildred The majority of Republican politicians sacrificed their conservative principles at the altar of Donald Trump. Not all, but most. And for as long as these enablers and cheerleaders remain in office, Trump authoritarianism will infect the GOP. It’s not true to say that Trump hijacked the GOP. It is true to say that the anti-democracy white supremacist strain already present strangled whatever conservative and American values remained in the party. Until they’re removed, the GOP’s claim on conservatism is false. It’s packaging, marketing, PR. The GOP is not going to reform itself into a party of decent, honorable, patriotic conservatives from the inside, and the Trump Republicans will fight such a change tooth and nail, as we are already seeing. As we have seen for the past 4 years.
And it’s possible that the cancer afflicting the GOP is inoperable. In which case, a quick painless death is preferable, and traditional conservatives can form a new party. Fact is, the Republican Party split off from the Whig party, which went extinct. We might call this new party The Lincoln Party in honor of our greatest president and as a nod to our friends here at TLP.
Creating a new party might be a Herculean effort, but it might be a better investment of time, effort, and treasure compared with trying to resurrect the decrepit and corrupt GOP.
Another possibility is to form a conservative faction within the Democratic Party. This could effectively turn hyperpartisan obstructionism into factional compromise. It would turn the legislature (but not the government structure) into a quasi parliament. A lot of democrats would cry foul, if not scream bloody murder. But the fact is, a large part of the country remains conservative. Conservatives joining the Democratic Party would move the country towards unity and away from division.
That’s all something for the future. Right now, the immediate goal is to do all we can to give Democrats control of the Senate, and that means the Senate run offs in Georgia.
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@maryjaneneels5536 I left in 2006, after 25 years or so. I was hoping to help remove the racist strains, both the overt ones and the more subtle. I guess I was the token model minority. I actually liked Bush, despite his weaknesses (his biggest mistake was choosing Cheney and Rumsfeld). I was against the war in Iraq, but once the invasion began, I backed my country. It was the “peace” in Iraq that I worried about, and I was proved right by the incompetence and corruption of Wolfowitz and Cheney, and the general imbecility of Rumsfeld.
The straw that broke the camel’s back, though, was what happened with Abu Graib and the debate about torture. I was shocked that the President, who I thought was a moral man, would allow the pretzel logic justifications of “enhanced interrogation”. But it was the rank and file “ordinary Republican” response that sickened me. Many gave up the justifications, and argued for worse torture as a matter of revenge for 911. Much of it came down to religious bigotry and racism.
It was no longer worth it to me to fight for what was right in the Republican Party. I wasn’t missed, I’m sure. I was already being called a RINO and a traitor who supported Islam.
Despite all I knew, I was still shocked by how the GOP so neatly embraced Trump’s overt racism. How easily they slid into deplorable fascism. How comfortable they were with being their worst selves. Jesus wept.
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@Maggie-zr2ow I recommend learning a smattering of Spanish from free apps or websites! There’s a couple of reasons to do this: One, it’s just generally enriching, and you might find it useful at home or while traveling. Two, someday you might be able to help a Spanish speaker in some way, either trivially or in an emergency. For example, I once helped an elderly couple by translating to a pet store clerk that they needed help getting a heavy bag of dog food the the check out and then to their car. Another time I was able to direct someone to the hospital (I don’t know that it was an emergency, but it could have been). It wasn’t complicated, I just told them to continue straight and they’d see it on the left.
With the little Spanish I knew, I decided on a vacation to Mexico back in 2004, and I attended a school while there to learn more Spanish (There are schools geared toward visitors where you can take classes for a week.) I fell in love with the area I visited and seven years later I retired there. The point is, learning a language can open up your horizons!
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Please, you’re overstating what will happen to these victims, changing the narrative so that you’re the victim. And in your narrative, the brown people are still a threat, despite your “not all” qualification. Did the Japanese Americans cruelly and unjustly imprisoned in concentration camps by the U.S. government become terrorists? No, not even just a few. How many Black Americans that suffered under slavery became terrorists after the Civil War? I seem to remember it was Southern whites that engaged in terrorism after they became the losers.
Isn’t it enough that these children are suffering horrible trauma and will go through life with this damage, done in our name? Let’s talk instead about how we will rectify this crime, how we will render justice on the criminals, and how we will help the victims. We start with removing the criminal-in-chief this Tuesday.
I’m sorry to be critical of your comment, but speaking as the child of a victim of government institutional racism, I can’t let your comment pass unchallenged. Don’t recast yourself as a victim, even a potential one, when the REAL victims are still being intentionally and cruelly hurt.
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There’s really too many enthralled Republican voters, not to mention the opportunistic or cowardly politicians that enable Trump for their own craven purposes. The GOP’s time as a party representing decent people has passed, and the sooner decent people realize this and leave it, the better for them and the better for America. It can be hard to let go, and there are a few bravely trying to take back their party, but I fear it’s past saving. Let’s say they’re successful for the sake of argument. What have you got? How do you pull people back from their support of white supremacy/nationalism when the bright line has been crossed? Let’s say you manage to get the racists and those comfortable with supporting racists to leave the GOP. What then? The GOP will be a rump party, with a fraction of its power nationally.
I think it’s far better for conservatives to register without any party affiliation, or, if their region would support it, back “moderate conservative” Democrat candidates. It might be the only way to wrest control of government (including state and local) from the fascists.
Perhaps at some point it will be possible for conservatives to form a new political party, but this is no easy thing to organize. Again, you’re looking at doing it on the regional, state, and local levels.
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It’s not going to happen. The cofounders of the Lincoln Project have said as much. Almost all have renounced the GOP and registered as independent; I think it’s down to one stubborn soul who remains a Republican (Michael Steele), who refuses to let the fascists redefine the Republican Party—a quixotic endeavor, but I have to respect him.
As far as a multiple party system, I’m not saying it can’t be done, but it’s much easier to say it than to do it. Who will organize these parties? Around whom will these parties rally?
Personally, the solution I will follow is to support Democratic candidates against Republican ones until the GOP is a smoking pile of rubble. I plan to stay registered independent, but that is subject to change if a conservative faction of the Democratic Party reconstitutes itself. If you believe all Democrats are liberals and all liberals are evil, you’ve been lied to. If you equate social safety nets with socialism, you’re ignorant. If you don’t believe conservatives, liberals, and progressives can’t find common ground to forge solutions to the problems we face, you’re trapped in an ideology, not faithful to your principles.
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Maybe I’m all wet, but I thought the main purpose of The Lincoln Project was to reach conservative voters, not coddle liberal voters or provide liberals with a platform to berate conservatives. Maybe I’m wrong about this. Of course, you’re free to do whatever you want, even attack Murkowski.
Honestly, though, you’ve got an opportunity here to persuade us when we’re at our most persuadable. It’s highly doubtful you’ll convert us into liberal Democrats, but you might pull us closer to the center. You might convince us on particular issues. At the end of the day, you and are are a lot closer in our world view than any of us are with Trump, his minions, and his deplorable supporters.
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@CONald_is_A_false_Prophet Think about how you might feel if Trump were re-elected and things got so bad that you had to flee your country. The president of the nearby country to which you have fled tries to stage an invasion to take back the U.S. using U.S. exiles. At the last moment, as you and your countryman are on boats en route to the landing beaches, the president withdraws all support. You land on the beaches and most of your army of exiles is tortured and slaughtered by the Trump forces.
You survive and somehow make it back to your host country. Eventually, you become a citizen. Are you EVER going to trust the political party of the president that betrayed you? Probably not to your dying day.
Maybe it’s still not clear to you. My mother’s side of the family is Japanese American. My mother, my aunt, both my grandparents, and everyone else in the family living in California were imprisoned in concentration camps by a Democratic President. Until she died, my grandmother always voted Republican, never for a single Democrat because of what that Democratic president did to Japanese Americans. Do you get it how deep historical political animosity can go?
I want you to think about history a bit, and how you should learn some details about a group’s history before you might unintentionally insult them. If you understand their history, you’ll be in a better position to persuade them.
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@leonply Hey Leon. The next steps are: 1) stay involved or get involved in politics, but avoid hyper-partisanship and tribalism, 2) when engaging with a fellow American with a different opinion, we should listen and try to get at their underlying concern. (This is assuming they’re an honest person of good will, and not a lying troll piece of shit or white supremacist. Don’t bother with those.) If we listen, we might find that we have many concerns in common, once we get past the hardened crust of political bigotry and fear.
Let me give you a hypothetical example of how we might talk with someone, a friend or family member, who believes the election was rigged. Rather than arguing with them, which will get you nowhere, say to them, “Let’s set the particulars of that issue aside, and talk about elections in general. Do you generally trust them, or do you sometimes suspect they’re unfair?” León, do you see where I’m going with this? We want to find our common concerns. “Well, if you think elections might be unfair, what can we do to make them more fair?” or “Did you know that many of ordinary people of different political beliefs also worry about elections being fair?”
Don’t worry if this approach doesn’t give you immediate success. It takes time for something to grow when you plant a seed. It’s certainly going to give you better results than arguing! Also, it won’t work with hardcore liars, the cynical of spirit, and others that won’t engage with you in good faith. These people are a waste of your time. They’re a waste of everyone’s time.
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Woke up and wrote what turned into a frikkin’ essay. It’s too long to read, really. Not appropriate for a YouTube comment. But I want to put it somewhere it will be seen. Thanks for indulging me.
Polishing a Turd and Putting Lipstick on a Pig
These two picturesque phrases indicate in similar ways the idea of dishonesty trying to improve the appearance of something of no or little value.
The first phrase, however, indicates the futility of making a turd shiny (and thereby attractive) because it will still be visible as a piece of shit.
The second phrase, putting lipstick on a pig, offers the idea of beautifying something, making it more attractive than it is to a gullible person, such as touting a worthless stock as being valuable. The idea is that the lipstick applier is concealing the true nature of the thing he is trying to sell.
I was thinking about these two phrases this morning, as they relate to Donald Trump and his followers. Our current crises have been either created or made worse by Trump and his administration henchmen—and he’s gotten away with it by using the two techniques of turd polishing and pig beautifying, just as he’s gotten away with all manner of scams his entire career.
And you’d think by now, his base would have figured out that they’ve been kissing pigs and eating shit. Obviously, some supporters have learned this, some quite recently, and have left the fold.
But those that are staying? Will they ever be convinced that Trump is a bad man? Will they ever realize that they’ve been lied to along? Even if we can stop Trump now, is there hope that these ultimate victims of Trump’s duplicity can be recuperated?
I’m thinking no. These are people that cannot be brought to reason for the simple reason that they LIKE to eat shit and kiss pigs. In fact, their favorite thing to do is getting fucked by lipsticked pigs and their favorite food is shit.
Look, I don’t want to kink shame. I don’t want to judge. I’m a live-and-let-live type of person. The problem here is that we’re not safe from these shit eating pig fuckers because they also want to force everyone to eat shit and fuck pigs, and they expect us to like it. Or else. Or else we can die face down in shit, our corpses humped by pigs.
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