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Probably overkill for anyone but special forces. It's no use issuing a low bore high precision competition gun to Sgt Snuffy who just yanks the trigger in panic in his final moments after the rifle rounds ran out. To properly utilize the fact that this gun is good for shooting an eye out at 50 yards the training regiment need to be severely strict. Most personnel who're issued side arms will see 200 rounds of training a year on it. Not the 200 rounds a week, as a bare minimum, that is required to reliably hit at the ranges this gun can do.
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Their operating mechanisms are so fundamentally different that it's not even funny. They basically only have "has a recoil spring and shoots bullets" in common. You'd be better off starting from scratch with the MG42 mechanism and just welding on bits and bobs until you have something you like.
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For a few years we had three service rifles: The M1 for the air force and navy, the M75 for the artillery and the M95 for infantry. Glorious mess. The artillery only had 50 BMG, so we couldn't share ammo with our support weapons. The infantry used both 7.62 and 50BMG for support weapons but couldn't share it because they used 5.56 in the rifles. But this was during the era where the USSR had just gone tits up, and we weren't sure if we'd actually need anything but a small professional army, so everyone was scratching their heads and going "Well, while the shit on Balkan is going on we better not do anything too rash..." and then Russia invaded Chechnya (again) in 1999, Georgia in 2008 and Ukraine in 2014, so we ended up constantly keeping the conscript model (and sort out the service rifle mess).
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And it always fails... until you impose strict "you break it, you pay for it" rules for conscripts. I mean, they still break it, but now it's coming out of their salary, so it's less of an expense.
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@Rudy97 Danish conscripts get a livable wage.
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Yup... This is Putin's Vietnam. He will be met with every ounce of ingenuity, remorsefulness, defiance and commitment that the human mind can muster. At every corner. In every alley. Behind every tree. If bicycle break levers make functional triggers, and most bicycles have two of those... then the Ukrainians have working guns and mostly-sort-of-fully-functional bicycles. Easy.... Being a Russian solider in Ukraine... Less easy...
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Enjoy it. I wanted it but can't afford it atm. The print and paper quality looked soo nice when Ian showcased it, so don't forget to smell the ink! :P
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In the old video he explained how you could bid on this rifle at the auction, which is obviously irrelevant at this point, but YT doesn't like anything related to selling firearms so Ian has a humungous amount of work ahead of him editing all the videos he did at auction houses over the years.
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@markfryer9880 Nope. They bore, ream and cold forge. On the really supper over the top barrels they also do a cryogenic annealing run afterwards because even cold forging leaves a little bit of stress. Ian has an old video on it from maybe 1-3 years ago (I'm not good with time, sorry) where he visited a factory in Croatia that did their own barrels.
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What a wonderfully weird operating mechanism. Gad it's not just the Danish Madsen guns that uphold the Scandinavian tradition of trying something completely wacky.
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Sounds about right... but also: if most of that ammo was produced just to fulfil the order that got Italy rid of them... "Someone" might not take the same care as if they were going to produce for their own military.
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I hope he doesn't have the same opinion on Turkish firearms as he has on Turkish ammo (see previous video).
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@Talguy21 I know. I just happen to be pedantic by nature :P
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The FNC does absolutely not suck. It's a bit on the heavy side for a 5.56 for military applications. But as a range toy it's a nice soft shooting riffle with very little muzzle climb during full auto....
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This may be why the Norwegians went with a special type of charge instead of a generic blank. I imagine a very large grain size and a powder composition that needs a fair amount of pressure before the combustion speed picks up would be beneficial to shoulder longevity. Having it work more like a blow pipe than a cannon is probably also easier on the action.
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Seems fair enough. All they want to see is that you still have it in your possession, which should take all of 20 seconds to prove.
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Vaccination Certificate and a good travel agent who can make shit happen...
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This has no real appeal as long as it is not select fire. It's basically a hand gun with a shoulder stock... and a bit longer barrel.
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For a gun that saw it's first pen strokes 130 years ago it actually isn't all that bad. Sure, there are many elements where the Madsen found a more clever solution, but if I understand things correctly the Madsen design also started som 15-20 years later.
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I'm starting to get the sense that the Chinese gunsmiths of the time weren't acquainted with the concept of "aiming"....
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Everything about this gun makes sense... except the reciprocating charging handle.
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Being a good presenter is key. There's a channel called Curious Droid, and he's the same. He's done videos on battleships, satellites, paper mills, phone boxes, etc, and they're all incredibly interesting for no other reasons than the impeccable research and delightfully good presentation. I've said, kind of tongue in cheek, on other videos that I don't care if Ian one day wants to start talk about cast iron wood fired stoves specifically from the 1890 to 1920 era... I'll listen to every word and have a good time.
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The same thing happened with the G3/M75: The armoured artillery used them long after the infantry got the C7/M95.
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That's short sighted :P He'll have me hooked for another run when he decides to do "Heckler and Koch: From the Ruins of Germany to International Modern Armament Entrepreneurship". That one is another "easy" (pinky in corner of mouth) One Million Doooolars!
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Ian is those sole reason for my interest in arms design - full stop. I started watching for the historical context of the weapons, but now I'm interested in manufacturing logistics, rifling twist rates, bullet jacket design, every aspect of mechanical reliability, the often colourful personalities behind the development... AND the historical context! :P
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I think he is just generally gun horny :P
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The loud part will be the bang. But that is kind of unavoidable with firearms, isn't it?
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They could sell each gun's narration as a separate $5 DLC and it would still be a massive hit!
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You only hate it until until you're ambushed, surrounded and pinned down and the radio officer says "air support won't be here for another 40 minutes!". Then you realize you're in possession of the only argument the insurgents will listen to, and that you better start talking! :P
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The Fireplace Guy and The Finnish Uncle Gun Scrooge combined must be worth north of the GDP of smaller countries... Really nice stuff. I think I could spend about three weeks in there putting my grubby little mitts on the private parts on each of those guns! :D
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Request for topic: The history and development of the sling shot. Preferably interspersed with Dennis the Menace references... Or any other topic that basically just involves Ian telling a story for 20-30 minutes at the time! :D
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Since they're on the US market today, and have a special except from the rule against stocks, it's indirectly obvious that they were just sold off to the domestic market since the paperwork was already done.
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@denniscrider3776 Denmark has exceptionally strict gun laws, so personal protection is not something that crosses the mind of a buyer even once. 22LR is an excellent 15m target shooting caliber. You can pop 300 shots in a day without your hands hurting or feeling like you need to visit the dentist. This isn't exactly something you can say about a .45 Magnum....
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@jic1 As far as I've been able to track down it's located within the borders of The Russian Federation somewhere north-east of the Caucasus. It may very well, in fact, be located WITHIN the Republic of Kalmykia, but Russian disinformation campaigns have made it exceptionally hard to pinpoint exactly.
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@exploatores It's a totally-not-licenced domestic production that by pure coincidence happen to be 99.9% parts interchangeable (sans the rear sight bolt and nut), so obviously it can't be a rebadged UZI. That one part difference is in no way, shape or form a plausible deniability feature. And since there are no grind marks to remove the original badges, it's clear as daylight that these were locally produced. So obviously the Croats just "obtained enough UZI's to be able to work out the tolerances themselves and decided to copy everything exactly as to not introduce any new kinks". Whether or not the guy tasked with working out the measurements happened to have an uncle in Isreal, that he would casually phone while working the calipers, is anyone's guess and hence ultimately just conjecture and speculation.
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@exploatores I think you missed the "Israeli foreign policy" joke in my statement :P This is obviously a "Uh, sanctions we don't want to get in trouble with are a bitch, so here are the exact blue prints of both the gun, the processes and the tool line"-move by Tel Aviv. Any decent existing manufacturer of industrial electrical components can carbon-copy an UZI pretty damn rapidly if they get that kind of help. If they got help down to the specific feeds and speeds for the milled parts it's no wonder they did it in 12 months.
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It doesn't know where you're from in this world. Gun Jesus will know more about your country's obscure side stories and fun little facts about small arms production than you ever will. And that's why we love him! :P
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Drop it in mud by accident and clean it without taking the hand guard off because the crush washers and torque wrench aren't standard issue. I do understand the appeal of these free floated barrals with "attach all the things all the time" hand guards.... but having trained many conscripts and recruits myself... oh boy, is someone doing pushups soon :P
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@Dmac6969 Wha?.... Because service contracts have very precise stipulations that must be followed by both parties. If the contract says that washers are single use and the screws must be torqued to XYZ with a calibrated torque wrench, then that is what the army will do, because if they don't the manufacturer has a get-out-of-jail card for any and all warranty claims surrounded to this area of the gun (obviously they can't claim that the reason the butt stock snapped is because the hand guard wasn't attached correctly).
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@squidwardo7074 Of cause they're not. But they are going to be told to clean the bloody thing. Which is going to be "an interesting exercise" when you can't easily get the hand guard off.
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@TheHylianBatman If you look at the parts-number reduction from the first full auto rifles to an AR and extrapolate from that you're not far off what a Gauss rifle could look like in 25 years (provided the capacitor tech keeps pace). The good thing about working with electricity and magnetic fields is that it can be computer controlled. Firearms have to be constructed to work with the worst case scenario of ammunition, as that is it's sole provider of mechanical energy. So while a Gauss rifle might have more parts in it many of them don't have to be as strong or as precise as their firearm counterpart, etc, etc. So it's pretty much a matter of "Now they're borderline of military utility" + "DARPA wants to grant (huge amount here) to have the current best design developed into a special forces weapon". Once that happens and a 100 engineers start tinkering with rapid prototyping and cutting down parts counts things will progress pretty rapidly.
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He is taking the absolute right approach for a brand that has specifically targeted "No corners cut, but no luxuries either". In the car analogy he is targeting Volvo buyers (before Chinese investors did Chinese things to Volvo): "It's not the fastes, lightest, most sporty thing with the latest tech. But it's reliable as hell, economic to drive, has stellar safety features, comes with good ergonomics and a large trunk. It will do car things for you all day, every day and we have a proven record of sticking to our strong warranty. We sell you practicality and peace of mind over performance and bling".
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The long rambling about the rearmament process is what makes the rifle interesting. A short "this is that, but with this barrel band feature changed" would have been boring as frig :P
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That's why only about a hundred went to the US. The Elbonians bribed a floor worker to steal all the reject parts, and then made a bunch of impoverished grandmothers file the parts until they would go together. Cheapest gun project Elbonia ever had, and it produced several hundred guns that worked 100% of the time in the holster.
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It's more of a fancy AR18. Both the fire control group and the bolt carrier and locking mechanism are straight up AR18. If they had moved the charging handle to the stock it would have been an AR18...
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@dallesamllhals9161 I've never shot 6.5mm in service (obviously). I was initially trained on the G3 but was retrained for the AR15 before departing to Kosovo, so I've only shot 7.62 from LMG and 5.56 from rifle in service. I didn't start shooting 6.5mm until a few years ago when a friend lent me his rifle.... which led to another Sako in my collection.
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So basically a pun-ish name in the sense that "fast and agile" is associated with sparrow/swallow, but printed on a tool that's supposed to secure freedom/liberty?
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This just makes me wonder who bad they're going to duck up their purchase of 3D printers. Knowing the Elbonians we can expect nothing less than a model that is out of production by a company who's gone bankrupt that used software that is incompatible with everything but OS/2 Warp3 Update9.2 and a proprietary 3D modelling program only available in Chinese.
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This is one of the rare cases where I felt a little was left to be desired: A description of the differences between 9mm Parabellum and 9mm Mauser Export as it pertains to this particular gun. I get that the Mauser Export case is 6mm longer than the Parabellum, but how did that affect the shooting experience and reliability? "It was too powerful" only hinted at that... But I do like a good "Ian goes nerdy"-description :P
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@jessebianchi2631 A fellow brown coat I see! :P
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