Comments by "MrSpamaccount" (@MrSpamaccount) on "Antony Beevor, Author, "The Second World War"" video.
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@DDKILLER990
He just says what people want to hear.
What i've found out from this video.
Beevor is the first westerner i hear to speak of more or less fair numbers of military/civilian losses of USSR.
USSR won because of american trucks.
Berlin was taken because Stalin wanted a nuke, not because fall of Berlin means faster end of the war and its encirclement provides quick and easier capture if its reinforced, obviously. Leningrad stood for 3 years. Of course Berlin was in worse geographical position and germans did not seek for a storm, nevertheless it would be a lot easier to defend Berlin supplied from outside.
But here comes other thing i noticed - germans did not want to fight, they wanted to escape to the west. Why did not they escape then and kept fighting? Prague was liberated after Berlin, Kurland pocket kept fighting. Better to die in vain instead of going to gulag? I quite dont get this pretty logic - but i know why Beevor says it. He hints that soviet troops were that pathetic that couldnt fight germans who werent even fighting back, which is a lie and fits western front a lot more actually, its where germans were free to surrender at once, but even there they fought more or less. So this is bullshit in my amateur opinion.
Some korean was forced to fight for japanese puppets, then becomes a pow and is brought through whole country to be captured by germans. I guess he also made friends with Beevors father who told him this story so Beevor speaks of it being 100% sure.
That Stalin killed more than Hitler, i tried to count myself, even including nazis killed by Red Army i didnt manage to get numbers comparable to Hitler.
Also funny shit about changing accents from evil great purge that took lives of a rough million, probably due to numbers of victims known and its a bit difficult to prove how everyone of them were victims. Especially in situation when this purge with all mistakes made was blamed by soviet government yet in 1939 with necessary actions made. So instead of this we add some dumb topic about famine that somehow was inspirated by Stalin, in civilized west or eastern europe it is just a famine, victims of great depression are victims of them being assholes, and here we have a great crime committed to get rid of ukrainians (its especially evil because soviet government forcefully turned population of ukraine into 'ukrainians' and to keep the genocide on - Ukrainian SSR became a founder of United Nations).
Just a publicist to me he is.
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Edward Brink nah, i'm an amateur and shit in history, that's why its more upsetting that I see obvious problems with his story.
There are too many 'beevors' in Russia who tell absolutely unrealistic crap sucked out of their middle finger, so Beevor is nothing special, just like that bunch of politically biased propagandists. The problem is that he is being called a historian, when hardly his stories can be called historical research. Because like you or not its quite lame to make conclusions out of extreme situations.
For instance. Beevor wrote some book about Grossman. I read Grossmans diaries (at least what was called so). There was a story about some mercantile oldman who was going through surrounding villages with an axe or a saw, and cut off legs of dead frozen german soldiers to warm them up later and take boots off for sale (if not winter they'd be simply taken off, obviously). How this story would be told by Beevor or some other western propagandist : Stalin ordered NKVD to organize platoons of cannibals who would cut off body parts of germans to feed people in gulag. Even soviet writer Grossman wrote about it in his diaries "he walked around battlefields and cut off germans' legs gathering them into his backpack".
I don't know, these stories about Korean that became a movie and about operation Borodino nobody ever heard in Russia annoyed me. For instance, soviet command did not tend to conscript unloyal people, political prisoners were banned from military service, as you may know, soviet state deported people in whose loyalty was not sure. And voila - some Korean who served in Manchurian army suddenly goes to serve in soviet (without being a soviet citizen? though it was quite easy to become a soviet citizen, you should just live in soviet territory to get this right, so he chose to be a soviet citizen? then betrayed USSR and joined Wehrmacht? Such could have happened but from my point of view there is no tragedy in this, just a story of an opportunist to me.). But this theoretically could have happened, though means absolutely nothing, just a script for some quite lame movie. Though if his bio was without empty spots and was tracked by documents in at least Red Army, because without it this story costs nothing, as I see nothing special in a soldier who served Asian fascists and later served European ones.
But 'operation Borodino' is something. As I said its never mentioned in Russian sources, but obviously USSR gained benefits from german nuclear programme, as did americans. But what conclusion does Beevor make? Berlin was taken because soviets wanted a nuke? What a damned nonsense. Berlin is where german HQ was, where Hitler was, logistical center finally, not to mention such unimportant things like its german capital. What did americans intend to do when liberated Paris then? Did it for lulz, or to taste a frog? In my opinion its not professional to point out at extreme cases, distracting from actual situation. Because when you give specially picked facts you can turn the story in 180 degrees. Everything should be told with and in context, otherwise facts cost nothing.
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***** 1st of all 0 references in Russian internet. No references to some revealed secret? There are lots of references to information like FSB blowing up buildings in Moscow, and zero to such an innocent operation Borodino? I see nothing bad in this operation if you like, more than that its a good and logical thing. I just heard it from Beevor and did not find anyone but him mention it.
All links without citations, are you serious?
I guess i'll have to look up for this information for you.
There is a link to some book "Stalin's Captive: Nikolaus Riehl and the Soviet Race for the Bomb" where there is some information given about structure of soviet nuclear programme with huge letters Operation Borodino above the scheme written in English. Those seem to be the roots of this citation. Ironically page where this scheme is printed, in several pages available in this book for free reading, it is written how allies destroyed german nuclear facility north from Berlin bombing it intentionally. So its a question who was actually making all efforts to capture the materials and scientific base. With similar success allies could have bombed Karl Wilhelm Institute since they could not get into Berlin, did not they? Its about nuclear programme and operation Borodino that is mentioned in some book with reference to Steven Zaloga.No problem with the scheme except this lame name Operation Borodino. Thus Beevor is just repeating somebody else untrustworthy information. My problem with all the shit is the fact of capturing and encircling Berlin for sake of capturing some nuclear materials or scientists. Its like saying Hitler attacked Moscow to capture pictures from Tretyakov Gallery. This shit is s minor side effect from capturing Berlin, unlike in case of western allies, who seeked to make profits of their military involvement into the war by all possible means, aswell as making as much possible problems for USSR making such profits, they could allow themselves such games. For USSR primary aim was in defeating Hitler and making cease-fire between our 'allies' and Hitler impossible. That is why Berlin was the primary aim. It allowed much more positive diplomatic and military resolutions for the war for USSR. Hitler was alive until 30th of April. If allies were let to do this job there was no guarantee Hitler would suicide and that capitulation would take place and would respect soviet interests. That's simple and obvious. But for people brainwashed during cold war its of course because of nuke, Stalin wanted to nuke everyone since he was a crazy maniac that's why untermensch bolshevik Red Army rushed to Berlin instead of Turingia or Silesia, thank god noble democratic americans saved the world by nuking Japanese and planning to nuke Soviets. Strange that Truman was not given a Nobel peace award.
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