Comments by "Ikenga Spirit" (@ikengaspirit3063) on "hochelaga"
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@paveantelic7876 Honestly it depends on the cut of for archeological evidence. The main cut off I have come across is if the site has clear evidence of stratification while while makes sense would arguably exclude cities like in Sao, Tlaxcallan and the Indus Valley civilization, so I personally think a cut off based on size and a focus on production of finished and semi-finished goods is best(as a site being fairly large already implies it passing the organization treshhold, to me at least). On a size basis, Cucuteni–Trypillia culture that btw like around 5500 BC to 2750 BC would definitely take the cake as the first cities as their sites were larger than even Mesopotamian cities. And for a settlement to get that large it did have to be organized, even if not as organized as the Indus Valley cities but it was probably agriculturally focused, tho.
However, some of these cites and sub-sections of a site were specialized in creating finished goods, so those specific sites that produced finished goods have a strong basis to be called the first cities.
Also, I might be simplifying things as while sites like Indus Valley doesn't have the super clear evidence of stratification they are super organized, which Cucuteni–Trypillia doesn't have to the same extent.
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