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  21. How unique are these?. I haven't heard of a similar response to this to colonization in Africa, like there were religious responses but just local cults getting crazier, not assigning some divinity to copying the Euros but I guess there was a response to copy the Euros to attain their success but that played out in adopting the European religion and their practices(like schooling), not imitating their behaviours from afar like Cargo cults. I get that Euros came into contact with SSA when the tech difference was less but deeper areas should have still felt contact only when modern era tech was used. Is it like info on Euros diffused easier in Africa than Melanesia?. So I wonder if these cargo cults are more a manifestation of a previous Melanesian religious tradition. Like for example, the people that worship that English Duke also think he is like a reincarnation of a famous figure in their myth which certainly would be a local religious tradition reacting to change than a new thing. 9:57 Still a bad description cuz the Aztec and Maya were also still only using Stone tools(there was copper and bronze use in the Americas before the Euros but it certainly wasn't the Aztec or Maya using them) 10:22 Also wrong . Papua was one of the early independent developers of Agriculture and if this is from the Austronesian speaking Melanesian Islands then they also get the Agricultural package coming from China that the Austronesian brought with their migration. But I guess they were relatively isolate after that. Stone age and Hunter Gatherers aren't really as good measures of complexity and "advancement" as people seem to still think. 11:20 Understandable but not to be expected cuz as the fella said, most primitive peoples we have recorded didn't make that leap of illogic. Also I get why it is difficult to describe as primitive and child-like are still insufficient descriptors. 16:20 Yeah, this has to be a development unique to the Melanesian world view and not a general primitive contact with the outside world type thing given the several independent arisal which isn't something like what happened in other places. Melanesia isn't relatively close to south america. The pacific is like half the world in size. Anyways, the MesoAmericans of the Basin of Mexico believed that a Great Priest of theirs sailed East or Immolated himself and travelled spiritually east. This belief appears among the Chichen Itza Maya as that Great Priest arriving and founding the site of Chichen Itza, either dying there or going further East. So a popular variation of the narrative was that he will eventually come back from the East and the Spanish arrived from the East. So completely different thing from the Cargo cults. So it is just surface level similarity.
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