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Comments by "SmallSpoonBrigade" (@SmallSpoonBrigade) on "Language Learning Expert: How To Really Learn Languages (Input Is Not Enough!)" video.
Except that's not his position. His position is better thought of as being 80% CI, with the rest being deliberate study and practice. Hitting 100% CI at the appropriate level is pretty much impossible without either doing some deliberate study or having the materials built for you with and your goals in mind. Even if you get that, very few people are going to complete it far enough to actually say that they've learned the language to the extent that they can properly use it outside of a narrow context.
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I don't know where people get the idea that Krashen prescribes 100% CI. I've seen him on camera being very explicit about the fact that his position is that some deliberate study is necessary. It may well be that close to 100% of the actual acquisition is from the CI, but that doesn't mean that you can completely ignore deliberate study and expect to get a good result before quitting.
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Technically, you can, the issue is that people tend to give up too early and it requires materials that are hard to come by. Most educators fall in the middle in terms of the view that you need both deliberate study and a lot of CI. It makes little sense to not make use of an adults ability to study strategically just to get to 100% CI unless you're in a position where you have to learn the language and don't have access to any sort of education to do so. That's more the domain of accidentally learning English by playing video games that are in English.
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@janelle.loves.languages Good luck with that, there are a bunch of levels where you're just not going to get that without paying a fortune for one on one or small classes. Theoretically, it's possible to learn an entire language just with input, but good luck actually getting the content to do it. I'm skeptical about your claimed languages because I have spent a ton of time looking for materials in Mandarin and German that would be appropriate to help bridge the intermediate gap there, and there just isn't much to be had. It's only been in recent years that media availability has improved, but even now, trying to find that i+1 content that the input hypothesis purists push, is just not there without paying gobs of money for. Neither German nor Chinese DVDs play on US players without importing an appropriate region free player or locking your player to a new region. And, the materials that I do see are either way too low in difficulty or are much to high for an intermediate to use without a lot of time spent on learning vocabulary to bring the level down to that i+1 level.
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@janelle.loves.languages It's not about thinking, it's about the near complete lack of materials at that i+1 level that aren't either bog standard boring people to death or incredibly expensive. And, if that's not the case for German or Mandarin, I have not seen those materials. Plus, I've seen Krashen talking about deliberate study and he was pretty clear about the fact that his method isn't 100% CI.
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@LeeSohlden It's not a 2 hour process. For example English has over 10,000 uniquely identifiable syllables, you're not even going to get once through on that in 2 hours. You might possibly get thorough all the phonemes in that.
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