Comments by "SmallSpoonBrigade" (@SmallSpoonBrigade) on "Refused to Show Receipt: Arrested! LL Update" video.

It's pretty clear that they wouldn't have had the right to do anything about his lack of willingness to share his receipt had other things not happened. Greeters should not be involved in the process of theft deterrence in that respect. It's up to security to catch these people. Having an unbagged item in a cart is not really sufficient. I go to the grocery store all the time and I'll regularly get things that aren't put in bags because I didn't have enough bags. Not being in a bag is hardly a reasonable basis for probable cause here, even if it is under things as the clerk should have seen them there when taking bags and putting them into an empty cart. Now, if security had him on camera taking the items and smuggling them past the register, that would have been a different matter. But, just having unbagged items shouldn't be sufficient to justify any sort of searches. Certainly not by the store.
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@The Return Of Snow Monkey If they're going to attempt to detain people, yes, then they had better damn well know that there's a problem and had better be prepared to take things to court. You don't just get to detain random people because you think there might be something stolen, but couldn't be bothered to do any of the work to have actual evidence. No, you can't be charged with criminal trespass in that situation. Where do you people get these ideas from. I used to work security, and there's no way that somebody would be charged with criminal trespass over refusing to show a receipt. If the individual refuses to leave after being asked to, then they will be charged with trespass if the police show up in time, and not before. They may have a stated policy, but it's not failing to live up to that policy that winds up with trespass charges, it's failing to leave when asked. A sign on the wall is just a sign on the wall until the business enforces it by informing the customer to abide by the policy or leave.
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I don't think accusing people that have clearly just made a purchase of stealing is common decency. The charged man definitely made a purchase, and is accused of having stolen something without any actual evidence that a theft occurred. Now, had he walked around the registers or been seen to hide something under the bags, that would be completely different.
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Yes, whether or not it's required in the strict sense, refusing to show it is likely grounds to be detained while they sort things out. They will eventually get the receipt and go through the contents of the bags, provided the store doesn't decide that it's not worth losing a customer. Which is probably not the case as they did call them. In the mean time, the groceries likely are spoiling and you'll be sitting in jail until they decide that there wasn't a crime committed.
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@44hawk28 It's not at all reasonable. The bag are evidence that the person was processed by a cashier on the way out. Barring some actual evidence that he hid something under the bags, the view that he stole something isn't reasonable. Plus, it's not supposed to be greeters that are catching shoplifters, that's for security to do. Security has a lot more information available to them than just a lack of a bag. At Costco, those folks at the door checking receipts are looking to make sure that the customer received everything they paid for. Or at least the big ticket items and others commonly forgotten. If Costco thinks you've stolen something, security will handle it, not the people minding the door. Which is as it should be.
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You're arrested whenever you are required by the police officer to stay put. This happens a lot because officers often need to figure out the facts of what's going on before knowing if there's any basis for continued action. You'll see it at a traffic stop where you're not allowed to leave until the officer has done things like verified that there are no outstanding warrants and that the license and registration are up to date. You're under arrest as in you can't leave, but in most cases they release you within a few minutes after having verified things and possibly issued a ticket. Not all arrests result in being taken into the station and booked. In fact, most of the time when people are under arrest nothing more comes of it than a report being filed.
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