Comments by "SmallSpoonBrigade" (@SmallSpoonBrigade) on "" video.

The issue here is that they're involving 3rd parties in it. It's also to avoid situations where people are being pressured to self-murder in order to benefit a 3rd party.
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Depression has effective treatments and more are being developed over time. It's not like I don't get it, there were times where I would literally have to start making lists of people that might be impacted and alternatives to give me the motivation to not just give up. I know now that like the woman that Kyle's talking about that I have what is almost certainly undiagnosed and untreated autism. The only reason it's not diagnosed is that at the time I couldn't receive an Asperger's Syndrome diagnosis without getting the schizophrenia spectrum diagnoses reevaluated and by the time I understood that she wasn't saying I wasn't, it was too late, the criteria had been changed in ways that made it a lot harder. There is no legitimate reason for self-murder in response to depression. There is help out there and if it's not sufficient, better help won't come if the people that would need it the most are permitted to murder themselves.
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@hazemelhusseiny5683 That's the issue. Doing it yourself is illegal in many places and many others have laws that are on the books and used that allow people that are going to do it to be hospitalized for treatment. I fail to see how this is substantively any better than the sorts of self-murdering that we have public awareness campaigns and actual police dragging people off to the psychiatric hospital.
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@gothboschincarnate3931 New treatments are being developed all the time. And if the BPD isn't responding to treatment there's a decent chance that it's because it's autism that's been misdiagnosed. A lot of autistic women get a BPD diagnosis before they get an autism one. What's more, if all the hard cases result in the sufferer murdering themself, then there's going to be a limit on qualified study participants and the community knowledge of how to address some of this stuff goes away as well.
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Let's be real, she didn't do a very exhaustive search for treatment options if she's 29 now, has been going through the process for 3.5 years, which means she was roughly 25 at the point where she started it. With how little experience the medical community has in dealing with autistic women, I don't know how any of these doctors can sleep at night seeing a woman that age, late diagnosed, going through this process right now as a bunch of changes have been coming in terms of the support and help available for the autistic community in general and autistic women in particular. What's more, autism ought to be on the list of reasons that you're not permitted to make use of this service as we are notorious for getting fixated on something and pushing towards it whether it's a good idea or not. Combine that with depression and it sets an incredibly bad precedent. It's not like I don't get it, I've had a lot of crap over the years that doctors told me wouldn't be curable, and to some extent they were right, but in the year since I finally understood the results of my neuropsych exam and the implications, things have improved a lot. It still often times sucks, but at the end of the day, better treatments won't come if the people who most need them opt to self-murder.
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Suffer permanently and without hope of improvement? She's got depression and autism. Yes, depression sucks, I battled with it for years, but I haven't needed any medication in years. If her autism permitted her to be diagnosed as an adult, it means that properly addressing that would probably make most of those issues going away. I have had an amazing amount of improvement in my quality of life now that I know to take care of my needs, which took longer than it should because of the wholly inadequate support for autistic people that was particularly common for those of us in our 30s and up. It's not that much better now, but if folks just go murdering themselves over it, that won't ever change. Medical professionals aren't always the best judge of what can and can't be treated when it comes to mental illness, I was told rather matter of factly that I'd be on medication forever for the psychosis and I haven't needed any pills in roughly 20 years at this point.
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@junfaa The right therapy can make a massive difference. The only thing that actually improves things is a change in mindset. (That being said, there do seem to be some mental health conditions where medication seems to be essential, at least over the short term)
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@mirrrie Without getting into details, there are a bunch of ways of doing it that keep the consequences for others at a minimum. It's hardly a choice of have doctors provide the means and a grizzly death that traumatizes other people.
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No, what she's got is clearly treatable. What's going on with her is pretty common within the autistic community and I doubt there are that many of us that haven't considered self-murder. The problem here is that euthanasia laws should specifically be for real problems that can't be solved. She's only 29, that's nowhere near enough time to have genuinely tried the most appropriate mental health therapies for autistic folks. One of the unfortunate realities is that we don't get the same benefit out of some of the most common treatments that non-autistic people do. There's a lot of adjustments that can be made to how we live our daily lives to improve things and she quite frankly has not been diagnosed long enough to have any right to have other people involved in this nonsense. I realize that there is this human compassion to let people free themselves of their suffering, but there's no particular basis for assuming that this is going to continue for decades. The amount of information about autism and how to deal with it has been increasing a lot, and I mean a lot. In the 15 years between when I narrowly missed out on my Asperger's diagnosis due to having a bunch of schizophrenia spectrum diagnoses in my charts, there has been a massive amount of improvement in terms of the options for improving quality of life and sources of things to try. And, I do get it, it's not like I haven't ever stared down at a bottle and thought about it, but at the end of the day, each time you step up to the abyss and decide not to do it, it gets a bit easier, and as scary as it was seeing monsters everywhere because I suddenly lost my ability to see any faces at all, at least now I know that it's because of autism, not because of schizophrenia and I just need to continue to just ignore it and it'll go away with some rest and a reset.
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@Dutchlad112 I'm sorry, but that's bullshit. Most autistic adults have a similar laundry list if we weren't either diagnosed young or very lucky. Personally it's Generalized Anxiety, Major Depressive Disorder, Bipolar, Schizoaffective, Schizotypal, Schizoid Personality Disorder, ADHD, OCD, Stigmatization issues, IBS, tinnitus, severe allergies to animals, heat stroke and water intoxication amongst other things. And I'm not super rare in that regard. A bunch of those were things that I grew out of or where there was some reasonable debate between doctors as there aren't medical tests that can always tell the difference and some of those are very hard to do a proper differential diagnosis on. And some of them, I probably didn't have, it was just the underlying neurological condition. The point is that, I don't see anything in the reports that suggest that she's really that special in terms of the suffering. There is a lot of concern about people with depression and self-murder as the condition literally robs people of any hope for the future, the same hope that you need to proceed with treatment long enough to find one. The human spirit is a lot stronger than people think and I do question whether she'd be throwing in the towel if she had to be the one to do her own dirty work, or if she'd keep looking for other options for treatment as mental health care has been going under a bit of a revolution the last couple decades, especially when it comes to various neurodivergent people. I don't I would have had it so tough if I had been allowed to know that I've got some sort of pervasive developmental disorder rather than just being really screwed up in the head.
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@DellikkilleD That's the romanticized version of it. The reality of self-murder is extremely ugly, we're not talking about somebody that's going to shuffle off this mortal coil in a few years with or without the help. There's some room for debate whether it should be euthenasia or permitting doctors to just prescribe whatever amount of medication is required to bring the pain under control, including amounts that represent a fatal overdose, but when you're talking about somebody who's only issues are mental health ones that could be treated at some point in the future and the only risk of life is self-murder, it's a lot harder to justify involving 3rd parties. I had those thoughts myself when I was younger, but it wasn't until the friend I had that most reminded me of myself actually doing it that the ugliness of self-murder really became clear. There is nothing romantic about it, it is an ugly thing and it's really only morally justifiable when connected with cases where the person is dying one way or another, not ones where the person might choose to murder themselves.
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