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Comments by "Bảo Nguyễn Xuân Thái" (@baonguyenxuanthai711) on "Defeminizing Female Characters" video.

Idk what to think of this comment section, there’s so many very well thought out and argued points and analysis, but also so much ”Yeah scarjo’s an idiot, women have to be sexual what else do they got. Juicy milkers are great, I need to see them or I become disinterested!😤” Which just drives me nuts. The video itself, I can’t tell which side it’s on, it’s decently argued but also feels a bit simplistic and bit too stuck to pretty dusty and old ideas about women and men. Also I think it’s maybe a bit unfair to judge her for taking on sexy roles in the past, times are changing, those types of roles were maybe something she thought she just had to do, no option, to become an actor or to further her career. We don’t know is she was comfortable with Hollywood profiling her that way or not. But yeah I’m kind of sad if his opinion is that women have to be sensual and men have to be strong brutes for a movie to work. Playing around with traits just needs to be done well. On the other hand I agree that in order for a female character to be intimidating or strong doesn’t mean femininity needs to, or should be erased.
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I think what this analysis is missing is the impact having only one woman on screen in these movies has. One girl with one archetype and personality and appearance and that comes to fill the spot for every female, and she cant fit every role. If there were more female characters on screen that have a variety of fighting styles (DONE WELL) i think itd be more satisfying for everyone. Nothing wrong with Scar Jo being a sexy fem fatal type, it looks cool, but making that the only representation doesnt work well for everyone. Spiderman and thor dont have the same appeal you know
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Idk what to think of this comment section, there’s so many very well thought out and argued points and analysis, but also so much ”Yeah scarjo’s an idiot, women have to be sexual what else do they got. Juicy milkers are great, I need to see them or I become disinterested!😤” Which just drives me nuts. The video itself, I can’t tell which side it’s on, it’s decently argued but also feels a bit simplistic and bit too stuck to pretty dusty and old ideas about women and men. Also I think it’s maybe a bit unfair to judge her for taking on sexy roles in the past, times are changing, those types of roles were maybe something she thought she just had to do, no option, to become an actor or to further her career. We don’t know is she was comfortable with Hollywood profiling her that way or not. But yeah I’m kind of sad if his opinion is that women have to be sensual and men have to be strong brutes for a movie to work. Playing around with traits just needs to be done well. On the other hand I agree that in order for a female character to be intimidating or strong doesn’t mean femininity needs to, or should be erased.
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@aliquida7132 I think the argument is too black and white. Either its all female voodoo or a girly with an apes bod. Women don't need muscle to be strong, but they need more than a body to be a good character. I think Arcane does a spectacular job at writing women who are people before their gender. For instance the punching Powerhouse Vi, who beats the shit out of people. She punches before she thinks, but thats not because she's an angry feminist... she grew up in an environment where you had to fight to survive. Plus, she was in charge of her ragtag siblings, prepped to be a leader by her adoptive father. The difference is that seducing people and then beating them up won't really work for the problems she faces. So, conditions effect character. Black windows tactic works with the conditions of a modern world, and kinda points out the flaws in the men she seduces rather than her seducing. The problem is that marvel is trying to appeal more to kids so they gotta water down characters a bit. She's a morally grey character and that's why she's cool. It's not about being more manly because men exist in different conditions. I think if we want to see a more human side to black window, they could maybe show how she feels about her tactic, make her get fed up and lash out because changing the character without confronting the conditioned behavior washes away the humanity.
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I think the argument is too black and white. Either its all female voodoo or a girly with an apes bod. Women don't need muscle to be strong, but they need more than a body to be a good character. I think Arcane does a spectacular job at writing women who are people before their gender. For instance the punching Powerhouse Vi, who beats the shit out of people. She punches before she thinks, but thats not because she's an angry feminist... she grew up in an environment where you had to fight to survive. Plus, she was in charge of her ragtag siblings, prepped to be a leader by her adoptive father. The difference is that seducing people and then beating them up won't really work for the problems she faces. So, conditions effect character. Black windows tactic works with the conditions of a modern world, and kinda points out the flaws in the men she seduces rather than her seducing. The problem is that marvel is trying to appeal more to kids so they gotta water down characters a bit. She's a morally grey character and that's why she's cool. It's not about being more manly because men exist in different conditions. I think if we want to see a more human side to black window, they could maybe show how she feels about her tactic, make her get fed up and lash out because changing the character without confronting the conditioned behavior washes away the humanity.
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@BenJaminLongTime I think what this analysis is missing is the impact having only one woman on screen in these movies has. One girl with one archetype and personality and appearance and that comes to fill the spot for every female, and she cant fit every role. If there were more female characters on screen that have a variety of fighting styles (DONE WELL) i think itd be more satisfying for everyone. Nothing wrong with Scar Jo being a sexy fem fatal type, it looks cool, but making that the only representation doesnt work well for everyone. Spiderman and thor dont have the same appeal you know
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I think what this analysis is missing is the impact having only one woman on screen in these movies has. One girl with one archetype and personality and appearance and that comes to fill the spot for every female, and she cant fit every role. If there were more female characters on screen that have a variety of fighting styles (DONE WELL) i think itd be more satisfying for everyone. Nothing wrong with Scar Jo being a sexy fem fatal type, it looks cool, but making that the only representation doesnt work well for everyone. Spiderman and thor dont have the same appeal you know
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@otakumangastudios3617 Idk what to think of this comment section, there’s so many very well thought out and argued points and analysis, but also so much ”Yeah scarjo’s an idiot, women have to be sexual what else do they got. Juicy milkers are great, I need to see them or I become disinterested!😤” Which just drives me nuts. The video itself, I can’t tell which side it’s on, it’s decently argued but also feels a bit simplistic and bit too stuck to pretty dusty and old ideas about women and men. Also I think it’s maybe a bit unfair to judge her for taking on sexy roles in the past, times are changing, those types of roles were maybe something she thought she just had to do, no option, to become an actor or to further her career. We don’t know is she was comfortable with Hollywood profiling her that way or not. But yeah I’m kind of sad if his opinion is that women have to be sensual and men have to be strong brutes for a movie to work. Playing around with traits just needs to be done well. On the other hand I agree that in order for a female character to be intimidating or strong doesn’t mean femininity needs to, or should be erased.
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@Dragonage2ftw I think what this analysis is missing is the impact having only one woman on screen in these movies has. One girl with one archetype and personality and appearance and that comes to fill the spot for every female, and she cant fit every role. If there were more female characters on screen that have a variety of fighting styles (DONE WELL) i think itd be more satisfying for everyone. Nothing wrong with Scar Jo being a sexy fem fatal type, it looks cool, but making that the only representation doesnt work well for everyone. Spiderman and thor dont have the same appeal you know
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@BenJaminLongTime I think the argument is too black and white. Either its all female voodoo or a girly with an apes bod. Women don't need muscle to be strong, but they need more than a body to be a good character. I think Arcane does a spectacular job at writing women who are people before their gender. For instance the punching Powerhouse Vi, who beats the shit out of people. She punches before she thinks, but thats not because she's an angry feminist... she grew up in an environment where you had to fight to survive. Plus, she was in charge of her ragtag siblings, prepped to be a leader by her adoptive father. The difference is that seducing people and then beating them up won't really work for the problems she faces. So, conditions effect character. Black windows tactic works with the conditions of a modern world, and kinda points out the flaws in the men she seduces rather than her seducing. The problem is that marvel is trying to appeal more to kids so they gotta water down characters a bit. She's a morally grey character and that's why she's cool. It's not about being more manly because men exist in different conditions. I think if we want to see a more human side to black window, they could maybe show how she feels about her tactic, make her get fed up and lash out because changing the character without confronting the conditioned behavior washes away the humanity.
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@otakumangastudios3617 i agree with this 💯👍
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@otakumangastudios3617 Female characters tend to be one of those boring tropes that i've seen countless times in media, so i hope to see some variation to the female characters. They dont have to make the women hyper competent female warriors who are as strong as the malse ( we have plenty of those already), just make them unique, interesting, and stray away from the same old boring tropes,
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@otakumangastudios3617 i agree with you 100%
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@otakumangastudios3617 I think what this analysis is missing is the impact having only one woman on screen in these movies has. One girl with one archetype and personality and appearance and that comes to fill the spot for every female, and she cant fit every role. If there were more female characters on screen that have a variety of fighting styles (DONE WELL) i think itd be more satisfying for everyone. Nothing wrong with Scar Jo being a sexy fem fatal type, it looks cool, but making that the only representation doesnt work well for everyone. Spiderman and thor dont have the same appeal you know
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@otakumangastudios3617 i agree with this 100% , personally i want to see more LGBT representation since for the longest time they have been underepresented or demonized on telivision tbh, and i want to see them as people, not as stereotypes . i'd recommend you to watch "Heartstopper", a show features trans women, gay, lesbian British students, in a normal slice of life, its SO WHOLESOME, i swear .
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Idk what to think of this comment section, there’s so many very well thought out and argued points and analysis, but also so much ”Yeah scarjo’s an idiot, women have to be sexual what else do they got. Juicy milkers are great, I need to see them or I become disinterested!😤” Which just drives me nuts. The video itself, I can’t tell which side it’s on, it’s decently argued but also feels a bit simplistic and bit too stuck to pretty dusty and old ideas about women and men. Also I think it’s maybe a bit unfair to judge her for taking on sexy roles in the past, times are changing, those types of roles were maybe something she thought she just had to do, no option, to become an actor or to further her career. We don’t know is she was comfortable with Hollywood profiling her that way or not. But yeah I’m kind of sad if his opinion is that women have to be sensual and men have to be strong brutes for a movie to work. Playing around with traits just needs to be done well. On the other hand I agree that in order for a female character to be intimidating or strong doesn’t mean femininity needs to, or should be erased.
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Idk what to think of this comment section, there’s so many very well thought out and argued points and analysis, but also so much ”Yeah scarjo’s an idiot, women have to be sexual what else do they got. Juicy milkers are great, I need to see them or I become disinterested!😤” Which just drives me nuts. The video itself, I can’t tell which side it’s on, it’s decently argued but also feels a bit simplistic and bit too stuck to pretty dusty and old ideas about women and men. Also I think it’s maybe a bit unfair to judge her for taking on sexy roles in the past, times are changing, those types of roles were maybe something she thought she just had to do, no option, to become an actor or to further her career. We don’t know is she was comfortable with Hollywood profiling her that way or not. But yeah I’m kind of sad if his opinion is that women have to be sensual and men have to be strong brutes for a movie to work. Playing around with traits just needs to be done well. On the other hand I agree that in order for a female character to be intimidating or strong doesn’t mean femininity needs to, or should be erased.
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Idk what to think of this comment section, there’s so many very well thought out and argued points and analysis, but also so much ”Yeah scarjo’s an idiot, women have to be sexual what else do they got. Juicy milkers are great, I need to see them or I become disinterested!😤” Which just drives me nuts. The video itself, I can’t tell which side it’s on, it’s decently argued but also feels a bit simplistic and bit too stuck to pretty dusty and old ideas about women and men. Also I think it’s maybe a bit unfair to judge her for taking on sexy roles in the past, times are changing, those types of roles were maybe something she thought she just had to do, no option, to become an actor or to further her career. We don’t know is she was comfortable with Hollywood profiling her that way or not. But yeah I’m kind of sad if his opinion is that women have to be sensual and men have to be strong brutes for a movie to work. Playing around with traits just needs to be done well. On the other hand I agree that in order for a female character to be intimidating or strong doesn’t mean femininity needs to, or should be erased.
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@slevinchannel7589 I think what this analysis is missing is the impact having only one woman on screen in these movies has. One girl with one archetype and personality and appearance and that comes to fill the spot for every female, and she cant fit every role. If there were more female characters on screen that have a variety of fighting styles (DONE WELL) i think itd be more satisfying for everyone. Nothing wrong with Scar Jo being a sexy fem fatal type, it looks cool, but making that the only representation doesnt work well for everyone. Spiderman and thor dont have the same appeal you know
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@DesiCat789 I think what this analysis is missing is the impact having only one woman on screen in these movies has. One girl with one archetype and personality and appearance and that comes to fill the spot for every female, and she cant fit every role. If there were more female characters on screen that have a variety of fighting styles (DONE WELL) i think itd be more satisfying for everyone. Nothing wrong with Scar Jo being a sexy fem fatal type, it looks cool, but making that the only representation doesnt work well for everyone. Spiderman and thor dont have the same appeal you know
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@DesiCat789 thats very hypocritical of them to say that, SO a movie with all characters are male are fine but all female characters in a movie are somehow "political". I've seen plenty of animes with all female casts and nobody bats an eyes smh
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@DesiCat789 i couldnt give a shit if women outnumber men in a show, what i want is for them to have as much character depth and growth as men do, and unique characteristics that set them apart from each other. The problem i have is they just shove them in just to appeal to the female audience, telling them to settle for boring female characters because, LOOK "REPRESENTATION"
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@DesiCat789 And your points can be applied to LGBTQ characters as well, i want to see well-written gay people, the asexual, non-binary , etc...
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@DesiCat789 absolutely! Also, I feel like when people say that this is the only way to properly represent a woman, they are rejecting the fact that, this is why they’re such a spike in girls themselves as non-binary or transgender. It’s because when media presents this as pretty much the only way to be feminine, then they start to believe that, they are not feminine, and think that they are a different gender even. I used to think that myself, and if one’s belief is that gender is not a personality and therefore you can’t be transgender, and wires in the coming back of the logic that, you have to still portray all female characters as female Fatale
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I think the argument is too black and white. Either its all female voodoo or a girly with an apes bod. Women don't need muscle to be strong, but they need more than a body to be a good character. I think Arcane does a spectacular job at writing women who are people before their gender. For instance the punching Powerhouse Vi, who beats the shit out of people. She punches before she thinks, but thats not because she's an angry feminist... she grew up in an environment where you had to fight to survive. Plus, she was in charge of her ragtag siblings, prepped to be a leader by her adoptive father. The difference is that seducing people and then beating them up won't really work for the problems she faces. So, conditions effect character. Black windows tactic works with the conditions of a modern world, and kinda points out the flaws in the men she seduces rather than her seducing. The problem is that marvel is trying to appeal more to kids so they gotta water down characters a bit. She's a morally grey character and that's why she's cool. It's not about being more manly because men exist in different conditions. I think if we want to see a more human side to black window, they could maybe show how she feels about her tactic, make her get fed up and lash out because changing the character without confronting the conditioned behavior washes away the humanity.
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I think the argument is too black and white. Either its all female voodoo or a girly with an apes bod. Women don't need muscle to be strong, but they need more than a body to be a good character. I think Arcane does a spectacular job at writing women who are people before their gender. For instance the punching Powerhouse Vi, who beats the shit out of people. She punches before she thinks, but thats not because she's an angry feminist... she grew up in an environment where you had to fight to survive. Plus, she was in charge of her ragtag siblings, prepped to be a leader by her adoptive father. The difference is that seducing people and then beating them up won't really work for the problems she faces. So, conditions effect character. Black windows tactic works with the conditions of a modern world, and kinda points out the flaws in the men she seduces rather than her seducing. The problem is that marvel is trying to appeal more to kids so they gotta water down characters a bit. She's a morally grey character and that's why she's cool. It's not about being more manly because men exist in different conditions. I think if we want to see a more human side to black window, they could maybe show how she feels about her tactic, make her get fed up and lash out because changing the character without confronting the conditioned behavior washes away the humanity.
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@raphaelhemery152 i know, right ?
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Idk what to think of this comment section, there’s so many very well thought out and argued points and analysis, but also so much ”Yeah scarjo’s an idiot, women have to be sexual what else do they got. Juicy milkers are great, I need to see them or I become disinterested!😤” Which just drives me nuts. The video itself, I can’t tell which side it’s on, it’s decently argued but also feels a bit simplistic and bit too stuck to pretty dusty and old ideas about women and men. Also I think it’s maybe a bit unfair to judge her for taking on sexy roles in the past, times are changing, those types of roles were maybe something she thought she just had to do, no option, to become an actor or to further her career. We don’t know is she was comfortable with Hollywood profiling her that way or not. But yeah I’m kind of sad if his opinion is that women have to be sensual and men have to be strong brutes for a movie to work. Playing around with traits just needs to be done well. On the other hand I agree that in order for a female character to be intimidating or strong doesn’t mean femininity needs to, or should be erased.
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I think what this analysis is missing is the impact having only one woman on screen in these movies has. One girl with one archetype and personality and appearance and that comes to fill the spot for every female, and she cant fit every role. If there were more female characters on screen that have a variety of fighting styles (DONE WELL) i think itd be more satisfying for everyone. Nothing wrong with Scar Jo being a sexy fem fatal type, it looks cool, but making that the only representation doesnt work well for everyone. Spiderman and thor dont have the same appeal you know
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I think the argument is too black and white. Either its all female voodoo or a girly with an apes bod. Women don't need muscle to be strong, but they need more than a body to be a good character. I think Arcane does a spectacular job at writing women who are people before their gender. For instance the punching Powerhouse Vi, who beats the shit out of people. She punches before she thinks, but thats not because she's an angry feminist... she grew up in an environment where you had to fight to survive. Plus, she was in charge of her ragtag siblings, prepped to be a leader by her adoptive father. The difference is that seducing people and then beating them up won't really work for the problems she faces. So, conditions effect character. Black windows tactic works with the conditions of a modern world, and kinda points out the flaws in the men she seduces rather than her seducing. The problem is that marvel is trying to appeal more to kids so they gotta water down characters a bit. She's a morally grey character and that's why she's cool. It's not about being more manly because men exist in different conditions. I think if we want to see a more human side to black window, they could maybe show how she feels about her tactic, make her get fed up and lash out because changing the character without confronting the conditioned behavior washes away the humanity.
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i agree with this lol
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Idk what to think of this comment section, there’s so many very well thought out and argued points and analysis, but also so much ”Yeah scarjo’s an idiot, women have to be sexual what else do they got. Juicy milkers are great, I need to see them or I become disinterested!😤” Which just drives me nuts. The video itself, I can’t tell which side it’s on, it’s decently argued but also feels a bit simplistic and bit too stuck to pretty dusty and old ideas about women and men. Also I think it’s maybe a bit unfair to judge her for taking on sexy roles in the past, times are changing, those types of roles were maybe something she thought she just had to do, no option, to become an actor or to further her career. We don’t know is she was comfortable with Hollywood profiling her that way or not. But yeah I’m kind of sad if his opinion is that women have to be sensual and men have to be strong brutes for a movie to work. Playing around with traits just needs to be done well. On the other hand I agree that in order for a female character to be intimidating or strong doesn’t mean femininity needs to, or should be erased.
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Idk what to think of this comment section, there’s so many very well thought out and argued points and analysis, but also so much ”Yeah scarjo’s an idiot, women have to be sexual what else do they got. Juicy milkers are great, I need to see them or I become disinterested!😤” Which just drives me nuts. The video itself, I can’t tell which side it’s on, it’s decently argued but also feels a bit simplistic and bit too stuck to pretty dusty and old ideas about women and men. Also I think it’s maybe a bit unfair to judge her for taking on sexy roles in the past, times are changing, those types of roles were maybe something she thought she just had to do, no option, to become an actor or to further her career. We don’t know is she was comfortable with Hollywood profiling her that way or not. But yeah I’m kind of sad if his opinion is that women have to be sensual and men have to be strong brutes for a movie to work. Playing around with traits just needs to be done well. On the other hand I agree that in order for a female character to be intimidating or strong doesn’t mean femininity needs to, or should be erased.
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"black widows are literally meant to be sexy huhdeduh" is just an impressive lack of historical knowledge. Black widows were just the name for female suicide bombers in the soviet nations (origin Chechen terrorists). Had nothing to do with looks. They were called widows because they more often than not, were the widow of a terrorist.
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I think the argument is too black and white. Either its all female voodoo or a girly with an apes bod. Women don't need muscle to be strong, but they need more than a body to be a good character. I think Arcane does a spectacular job at writing women who are people before their gender. For instance the punching Powerhouse Vi, who beats the shit out of people. She punches before she thinks, but thats not because she's an angry feminist... she grew up in an environment where you had to fight to survive. Plus, she was in charge of her ragtag siblings, prepped to be a leader by her adoptive father. The difference is that seducing people and then beating them up won't really work for the problems she faces. So, conditions effect character. Black windows tactic works with the conditions of a modern world, and kinda points out the flaws in the men she seduces rather than her seducing. The problem is that marvel is trying to appeal more to kids so they gotta water down characters a bit. She's a morally grey character and that's why she's cool. It's not about being more manly because men exist in different conditions. I think if we want to see a more human side to black window, they could maybe show how she feels about her tactic, make her get fed up and lash out because changing the character without confronting the conditioned behavior washes away the humanity.
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@darliiingz03 "black widows are literally meant to be sexy huhdeduh" is just an impressive lack of historical knowledge. Black widows were just the name for female suicide bombers in the soviet nations (origin Chechen terrorists). Had nothing to do with looks. They were called widows because they more often than not, were the widow of a terrorist.
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I think the argument is too black and white. Either its all female voodoo or a girly with an apes bod. Women don't need muscle to be strong, but they need more than a body to be a good character. I think Arcane does a spectacular job at writing women who are people before their gender. For instance the punching Powerhouse Vi, who beats the shit out of people. She punches before she thinks, but thats not because she's an angry feminist... she grew up in an environment where you had to fight to survive. Plus, she was in charge of her ragtag siblings, prepped to be a leader by her adoptive father. The difference is that seducing people and then beating them up won't really work for the problems she faces. So, conditions effect character. Black windows tactic works with the conditions of a modern world, and kinda points out the flaws in the men she seduces rather than her seducing. The problem is that marvel is trying to appeal more to kids so they gotta water down characters a bit. She's a morally grey character and that's why she's cool. It's not about being more manly because men exist in different conditions. I think if we want to see a more human side to black window, they could maybe show how she feels about her tactic, make her get fed up and lash out because changing the character without confronting the conditioned behavior washes away the humanity.
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@gryffindorftw6198 Yet more bulshit from the critical drinker. It's not about how we treat the female characters it's about how other characters treat them. In "Edge of Tomorrow" our intro to Rita is hella sexy and is explicitly designed to make us go "damn she's hot". But no characters on-screen would dare refer to her or even talk about her like that. We know the actor is hot, other characters know the character is hot, but it's irrelevant to the plot. In fact, her strength as a character is emphasized by the irrelevance of her beauty to her ability to kick ass.
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@gryffindorftw6198 Cleavage and "feminine wiles" are useful as a bucket of air when you're fighting terminators and aliens, eh? Tell me that Sarah Connor and Ripley didn't have to rely on guts, resourcefulness and intelligence, and that they are not "womanly". I heard a man say that women don't need financial support for unemployment or housing because they have a vagina. I lump that loathsome comment in with the notion that using sex appeal is a woman's best or only option.
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Yet more bulshit from the critical drinker. It's not about how we treat the female characters it's about how other characters treat them. In "Edge of Tomorrow" our intro to Rita is hella sexy and is explicitly designed to make us go "damn she's hot". But no characters on-screen would dare refer to her or even talk about her like that. We know the actor is hot, other characters know the character is hot, but it's irrelevant to the plot. In fact, her strength as a character is emphasized by the irrelevance of her beauty to her ability to kick ass.
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@CatharticCreation I think the argument is too black and white. Either its all female voodoo or a girly with an apes bod. Women don't need muscle to be strong, but they need more than a body to be a good character. I think Arcane does a spectacular job at writing women who are people before their gender. For instance the punching Powerhouse Vi, who beats the shit out of people. She punches before she thinks, but thats not because she's an angry feminist... she grew up in an environment where you had to fight to survive. Plus, she was in charge of her ragtag siblings, prepped to be a leader by her adoptive father. The difference is that seducing people and then beating them up won't really work for the problems she faces. So, conditions effect character. Black windows tactic works with the conditions of a modern world, and kinda points out the flaws in the men she seduces rather than her seducing. The problem is that marvel is trying to appeal more to kids so they gotta water down characters a bit. She's a morally grey character and that's why she's cool. It's not about being more manly because men exist in different conditions. I think if we want to see a more human side to black window, they could maybe show how she feels about her tactic, make her get fed up and lash out because changing the character without confronting the conditioned behavior washes away the humanity.
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I think the argument is too black and white. Either its all female voodoo or a girly with an apes bod. Women don't need muscle to be strong, but they need more than a body to be a good character. I think Arcane does a spectacular job at writing women who are people before their gender. For instance the punching Powerhouse Vi, who beats the shit out of people. She punches before she thinks, but thats not because she's an angry feminist... she grew up in an environment where you had to fight to survive. Plus, she was in charge of her ragtag siblings, prepped to be a leader by her adoptive father. The difference is that seducing people and then beating them up won't really work for the problems she faces. So, conditions effect character. Black windows tactic works with the conditions of a modern world, and kinda points out the flaws in the men she seduces rather than her seducing. The problem is that marvel is trying to appeal more to kids so they gotta water down characters a bit. She's a morally grey character and that's why she's cool. It's not about being more manly because men exist in different conditions. I think if we want to see a more human side to black window, they could maybe show how she feels about her tactic, make her get fed up and lash out because changing the character without confronting the conditioned behavior washes away the humanity.
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I think the argument is too black and white. Either its all female voodoo or a girly with an apes bod. Women don't need muscle to be strong, but they need more than a body to be a good character. I think Arcane does a spectacular job at writing women who are people before their gender. For instance the punching Powerhouse Vi, who beats the shit out of people. She punches before she thinks, but thats not because she's an angry feminist... she grew up in an environment where you had to fight to survive. Plus, she was in charge of her ragtag siblings, prepped to be a leader by her adoptive father. The difference is that seducing people and then beating them up won't really work for the problems she faces. So, conditions effect character. Black windows tactic works with the conditions of a modern world, and kinda points out the flaws in the men she seduces rather than her seducing. The problem is that marvel is trying to appeal more to kids so they gotta water down characters a bit. She's a morally grey character and that's why she's cool. It's not about being more manly because men exist in different conditions. I think if we want to see a more human side to black window, they could maybe show how she feels about her tactic, make her get fed up and lash out because changing the character without confronting the conditioned behavior washes away the humanity.
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Yet more bulshit from the critical drinker. It's not about how we treat the female characters it's about how other characters treat them. In "Edge of Tomorrow" our intro to Rita is hella sexy and is explicitly designed to make us go "damn she's hot". But no characters on-screen would dare refer to her or even talk about her like that. We know the actor is hot, other characters know the character is hot, but it's irrelevant to the plot. In fact, her strength as a character is emphasized by the irrelevance of her beauty to her ability to kick ass.
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Idk what to think of this comment section, there’s so many very well thought out and argued points and analysis, but also so much ”Yeah scarjo’s an idiot, women have to be sexual what else do they got. Juicy milkers are great, I need to see them or I become disinterested!😤” Which just drives me nuts. The video itself, I can’t tell which side it’s on, it’s decently argued but also feels a bit simplistic and bit too stuck to pretty dusty and old ideas about women and men. Also I think it’s maybe a bit unfair to judge her for taking on sexy roles in the past, times are changing, those types of roles were maybe something she thought she just had to do, no option, to become an actor or to further her career. We don’t know is she was comfortable with Hollywood profiling her that way or not. But yeah I’m kind of sad if his opinion is that women have to be sensual and men have to be strong brutes for a movie to work. Playing around with traits just needs to be done well. On the other hand I agree that in order for a female character to be intimidating or strong doesn’t mean femininity needs to, or should be erased.
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Idk what to think of this comment section, there’s so many very well thought out and argued points and analysis, but also so much ”Yeah scarjo’s an idiot, women have to be sexual what else do they got. Juicy milkers are great, I need to see them or I become disinterested!😤” Which just drives me nuts. The video itself, I can’t tell which side it’s on, it’s decently argued but also feels a bit simplistic and bit too stuck to pretty dusty and old ideas about women and men. Also I think it’s maybe a bit unfair to judge her for taking on sexy roles in the past, times are changing, those types of roles were maybe something she thought she just had to do, no option, to become an actor or to further her career. We don’t know is she was comfortable with Hollywood profiling her that way or not. But yeah I’m kind of sad if his opinion is that women have to be sensual and men have to be strong brutes for a movie to work. Playing around with traits just needs to be done well. On the other hand I agree that in order for a female character to be intimidating or strong doesn’t mean femininity needs to, or should be erased.
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Yet more bulshit from the critical drinker. It's not about how we treat the female characters it's about how other characters treat them. In "Edge of Tomorrow" our intro to Rita is hella sexy and is explicitly designed to make us go "damn she's hot". But no characters on-screen would dare refer to her or even talk about her like that. We know the actor is hot, other characters know the character is hot, but it's irrelevant to the plot. In fact, her strength as a character is emphasized by the irrelevance of her beauty to her ability to kick ass.
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i agree with this
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@otakumangastudios3617 i agree with this 100%.
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@mistresspaige2670 Female characters tend to be one of those boring tropes that i've seen countless times in media, so i hope to see some variation to the female characters. They dont have to make the women hyper competent female warriors who are as strong as the malse ( we have plenty of those already), just make them unique, interesting, and stray away from the same old boring tropes,
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@bloodrain980 i agree with this 100%
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@otakumangastudios3617 i agree with this 100%
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@juliab9596 Idk what to think of this comment section, there’s so many very well thought out and argued points and analysis, but also so much ”Yeah scarjo’s an idiot, women have to be sexual what else do they got. Juicy milkers are great, I need to see them or I become disinterested!😤” Which just drives me nuts. The video itself, I can’t tell which side it’s on, it’s decently argued but also feels a bit simplistic and bit too stuck to pretty dusty and old ideas about women and men. Also I think it’s maybe a bit unfair to judge her for taking on sexy roles in the past, times are changing, those types of roles were maybe something she thought she just had to do, no option, to become an actor or to further her career. We don’t know is she was comfortable with Hollywood profiling her that way or not. But yeah I’m kind of sad if his opinion is that women have to be sensual and men have to be strong brutes for a movie to work. Playing around with traits just needs to be done well. On the other hand I agree that in order for a female character to be intimidating or strong doesn’t mean femininity needs to, or should be erased.
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@otakumangastudios3617 TBH with you, i would love to see some trans women or men, or ANY LGBTQ+ characters here. They are the underrepresented group here. And i want to see them as well written as the male characters. That would be very cool to see that. And trans women are women, so not only we would see a compelling female characters, but also we get to see LGBTQ+ representation, BEST OF BOTH WORLDS
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@otakumangastudios3617 i agree, lets keep the trends going, we need more of that please,
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@otakumangastudios3617 Yet more bulshit from the critical drinker. It's not about how we treat the female characters it's about how other characters treat them. In "Edge of Tomorrow" our intro to Rita is hella sexy and is explicitly designed to make us go "damn she's hot". But no characters on-screen would dare refer to her or even talk about her like that. We know the actor is hot, other characters know the character is hot, but it's irrelevant to the plot. In fact, her strength as a character is emphasized by the irrelevance of her beauty to her ability to kick ass.
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@juliab9596 Yet more bulshit from the critical drinker. It's not about how we treat the female characters it's about how other characters treat them. In "Edge of Tomorrow" our intro to Rita is hella sexy and is explicitly designed to make us go "damn she's hot". But no characters on-screen would dare refer to her or even talk about her like that. We know the actor is hot, other characters know the character is hot, but it's irrelevant to the plot. In fact, her strength as a character is emphasized by the irrelevance of her beauty to her ability to kick ass.
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@mistresspaige2670 Yet more bulshit from the critical drinker. It's not about how we treat the female characters it's about how other characters treat them. In "Edge of Tomorrow" our intro to Rita is hella sexy and is explicitly designed to make us go "damn she's hot". But no characters on-screen would dare refer to her or even talk about her like that. We know the actor is hot, other characters know the character is hot, but it's irrelevant to the plot. In fact, her strength as a character is emphasized by the irrelevance of her beauty to her ability to kick ass.
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@tryycoper3321 I think the argument is too black and white. Either its all female voodoo or a girly with an apes bod. Women don't need muscle to be strong, but they need more than a body to be a good character. I think Arcane does a spectacular job at writing women who are people before their gender. For instance the punching Powerhouse Vi, who beats the shit out of people. She punches before she thinks, but thats not because she's an angry feminist... she grew up in an environment where you had to fight to survive. Plus, she was in charge of her ragtag siblings, prepped to be a leader by her adoptive father. The difference is that seducing people and then beating them up won't really work for the problems she faces. So, conditions effect character. Black windows tactic works with the conditions of a modern world, and kinda points out the flaws in the men she seduces rather than her seducing. The problem is that marvel is trying to appeal more to kids so they gotta water down characters a bit. She's a morally grey character and that's why she's cool. It's not about being more manly because men exist in different conditions. I think if we want to see a more human side to black window, they could maybe show how she feels about her tactic, make her get fed up and lash out because changing the character without confronting the conditioned behavior washes away the humanity.
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@sarahrobertson4629 I think the argument is too black and white. Either its all female voodoo or a girly with an apes bod. Women don't need muscle to be strong, but they need more than a body to be a good character. I think Arcane does a spectacular job at writing women who are people before their gender. For instance the punching Powerhouse Vi, who beats the shit out of people. She punches before she thinks, but thats not because she's an angry feminist... she grew up in an environment where you had to fight to survive. Plus, she was in charge of her ragtag siblings, prepped to be a leader by her adoptive father. The difference is that seducing people and then beating them up won't really work for the problems she faces. So, conditions effect character. Black windows tactic works with the conditions of a modern world, and kinda points out the flaws in the men she seduces rather than her seducing. The problem is that marvel is trying to appeal more to kids so they gotta water down characters a bit. She's a morally grey character and that's why she's cool. It's not about being more manly because men exist in different conditions. I think if we want to see a more human side to black window, they could maybe show how she feels about her tactic, make her get fed up and lash out because changing the character without confronting the conditioned behavior washes away the humanity.
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@tryycoper3321 what are you talking about ? Women being strategic and tactical are very appealing to a lot of people, at least to me. Say, who would you rather choose, a smart female character who plans ahead very carefully or a mary sue who just bulldoze everything without a challenge, AKA Captain Marvel ?
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@DesiCat789 I think what this analysis is missing is the impact having only one woman on screen in these movies has. One girl with one archetype and personality and appearance and that comes to fill the spot for every female, and she cant fit every role. If there were more female characters on screen that have a variety of fighting styles (DONE WELL) i think itd be more satisfying for everyone. Nothing wrong with Scar Jo being a sexy fem fatal type, it looks cool, but making that the only representation doesnt work well for everyone. Spiderman and thor dont have the same appeal you know
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@rachelclark6393 I think the argument is too black and white. Either its all female voodoo or a girly with an apes bod. Women don't need muscle to be strong, but they need more than a body to be a good character. I think Arcane does a spectacular job at writing women who are people before their gender. For instance the punching Powerhouse Vi, who beats the shit out of people. She punches before she thinks, but thats not because she's an angry feminist... she grew up in an environment where you had to fight to survive. Plus, she was in charge of her ragtag siblings, prepped to be a leader by her adoptive father. The difference is that seducing people and then beating them up won't really work for the problems she faces. So, conditions effect character. Black windows tactic works with the conditions of a modern world, and kinda points out the flaws in the men she seduces rather than her seducing. The problem is that marvel is trying to appeal more to kids so they gotta water down characters a bit. She's a morally grey character and that's why she's cool. It's not about being more manly because men exist in different conditions. I think if we want to see a more human side to black window, they could maybe show how she feels about her tactic, make her get fed up and lash out because changing the character without confronting the conditioned behavior washes away the humanity.
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Idk what to think of this comment section, there’s so many very well thought out and argued points and analysis, but also so much ”Yeah scarjo’s an idiot, women have to be sexual what else do they got. Juicy milkers are great, I need to see them or I become disinterested!😤” Which just drives me nuts. The video itself, I can’t tell which side it’s on, it’s decently argued but also feels a bit simplistic and bit too stuck to pretty dusty and old ideas about women and men. Also I think it’s maybe a bit unfair to judge her for taking on sexy roles in the past, times are changing, those types of roles were maybe something she thought she just had to do, no option, to become an actor or to further her career. We don’t know is she was comfortable with Hollywood profiling her that way or not. But yeah I’m kind of sad if his opinion is that women have to be sensual and men have to be strong brutes for a movie to work. Playing around with traits just needs to be done well. On the other hand I agree that in order for a female character to be intimidating or strong doesn’t mean femininity needs to, or should be erased.
1
Yet more bulshit from the critical drinker. It's not about how we treat the female characters it's about how other characters treat them. In "Edge of Tomorrow" our intro to Rita is hella sexy and is explicitly designed to make us go "damn she's hot". But no characters on-screen would dare refer to her or even talk about her like that. We know the actor is hot, other characters know the character is hot, but it's irrelevant to the plot. In fact, her strength as a character is emphasized by the irrelevance of her beauty to her ability to kick ass.
1
I think the argument is too black and white. Either its all female voodoo or a girly with an apes bod. Women don't need muscle to be strong, but they need more than a body to be a good character. I think Arcane does a spectacular job at writing women who are people before their gender. For instance the punching Powerhouse Vi, who beats the shit out of people. She punches before she thinks, but thats not because she's an angry feminist... she grew up in an environment where you had to fight to survive. Plus, she was in charge of her ragtag siblings, prepped to be a leader by her adoptive father. The difference is that seducing people and then beating them up won't really work for the problems she faces. So, conditions effect character. Black windows tactic works with the conditions of a modern world, and kinda points out the flaws in the men she seduces rather than her seducing. The problem is that marvel is trying to appeal more to kids so they gotta water down characters a bit. She's a morally grey character and that's why she's cool. It's not about being more manly because men exist in different conditions. I think if we want to see a more human side to black window, they could maybe show how she feels about her tactic, make her get fed up and lash out because changing the character without confronting the conditioned behavior washes away the humanity.
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i agree lol
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Yet more bulshit from the critical drinker. It's not about how we treat the female characters it's about how other characters treat them. In "Edge of Tomorrow" our intro to Rita is hella sexy and is explicitly designed to make us go "damn she's hot". But no characters on-screen would dare refer to her or even talk about her like that. We know the actor is hot, other characters know the character is hot, but it's irrelevant to the plot. In fact, her strength as a character is emphasized by the irrelevance of her beauty to her ability to kick ass.
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I think the argument is too black and white. Either its all female voodoo or a girly with an apes bod. Women don't need muscle to be strong, but they need more than a body to be a good character. I think Arcane does a spectacular job at writing women who are people before their gender. For instance the punching Powerhouse Vi, who beats the shit out of people. She punches before she thinks, but thats not because she's an angry feminist... she grew up in an environment where you had to fight to survive. Plus, she was in charge of her ragtag siblings, prepped to be a leader by her adoptive father. The difference is that seducing people and then beating them up won't really work for the problems she faces. So, conditions effect character. Black windows tactic works with the conditions of a modern world, and kinda points out the flaws in the men she seduces rather than her seducing. The problem is that marvel is trying to appeal more to kids so they gotta water down characters a bit. She's a morally grey character and that's why she's cool. It's not about being more manly because men exist in different conditions. I think if we want to see a more human side to black window, they could maybe show how she feels about her tactic, make her get fed up and lash out because changing the character without confronting the conditioned behavior washes away the humanity.
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Yet more bulshit from the critical drinker. It's not about how we treat the female characters it's about how other characters treat them. In "Edge of Tomorrow" our intro to Rita is hella sexy and is explicitly designed to make us go "damn she's hot". But no characters on-screen would dare refer to her or even talk about her like that. We know the actor is hot, other characters know the character is hot, but it's irrelevant to the plot. In fact, her strength as a character is emphasized by the irrelevance of her beauty to her ability to kick ass.
1
I think the argument is too black and white. Either its all female voodoo or a girly with an apes bod. Women don't need muscle to be strong, but they need more than a body to be a good character. I think Arcane does a spectacular job at writing women who are people before their gender. For instance the punching Powerhouse Vi, who beats the shit out of people. She punches before she thinks, but thats not because she's an angry feminist... she grew up in an environment where you had to fight to survive. Plus, she was in charge of her ragtag siblings, prepped to be a leader by her adoptive father. The difference is that seducing people and then beating them up won't really work for the problems she faces. So, conditions effect character. Black windows tactic works with the conditions of a modern world, and kinda points out the flaws in the men she seduces rather than her seducing. The problem is that marvel is trying to appeal more to kids so they gotta water down characters a bit. She's a morally grey character and that's why she's cool. It's not about being more manly because men exist in different conditions. I think if we want to see a more human side to black window, they could maybe show how she feels about her tactic, make her get fed up and lash out because changing the character without confronting the conditioned behavior washes away the humanity.
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I think the argument is too black and white. Either its all female voodoo or a girly with an apes bod. Women don't need muscle to be strong, but they need more than a body to be a good character. I think Arcane does a spectacular job at writing women who are people before their gender. For instance the punching Powerhouse Vi, who beats the shit out of people. She punches before she thinks, but thats not because she's an angry feminist... she grew up in an environment where you had to fight to survive. Plus, she was in charge of her ragtag siblings, prepped to be a leader by her adoptive father. The difference is that seducing people and then beating them up won't really work for the problems she faces. So, conditions effect character. Black windows tactic works with the conditions of a modern world, and kinda points out the flaws in the men she seduces rather than her seducing. The problem is that marvel is trying to appeal more to kids so they gotta water down characters a bit. She's a morally grey character and that's why she's cool. It's not about being more manly because men exist in different conditions. I think if we want to see a more human side to black window, they could maybe show how she feels about her tactic, make her get fed up and lash out because changing the character without confronting the conditioned behavior washes away the humanity tbh
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@pennyomega7421 i agree this 100%
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@1-800-PlsAdoptMe i agree with this, we need MORE
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@elgift I think the argument is too black and white. Either its all female voodoo or a girly with an apes bod. Women don't need muscle to be strong, but they need more than a body to be a good character. I think Arcane does a spectacular job at writing women who are people before their gender. For instance the punching Powerhouse Vi, who beats the shit out of people. She punches before she thinks, but thats not because she's an angry feminist... she grew up in an environment where you had to fight to survive. Plus, she was in charge of her ragtag siblings, prepped to be a leader by her adoptive father. The difference is that seducing people and then beating them up won't really work for the problems she faces. So, conditions effect character. Black windows tactic works with the conditions of a modern world, and kinda points out the flaws in the men she seduces rather than her seducing. The problem is that marvel is trying to appeal more to kids so they gotta water down characters a bit. She's a morally grey character and that's why she's cool. It's not about being more manly because men exist in different conditions. I think if we want to see a more human side to black window, they could maybe show how she feels about her tactic, make her get fed up and lash out because changing the character without confronting the conditioned behavior washes away the humanity.
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@elgift I think the argument is too black and white. Either its all female voodoo or a girly with an apes bod. Women don't need muscle to be strong, but they need more than a body to be a good character. I think Arcane does a spectacular job at writing women who are people before their gender. For instance the punching Powerhouse Vi, who beats the shit out of people. She punches before she thinks, but thats not because she's an angry feminist... she grew up in an environment where you had to fight to survive. Plus, she was in charge of her ragtag siblings, prepped to be a leader by her adoptive father. The difference is that seducing people and then beating them up won't really work for the problems she faces. So, conditions effect character. Black windows tactic works with the conditions of a modern world, and kinda points out the flaws in the men she seduces rather than her seducing. The problem is that marvel is trying to appeal more to kids so they gotta water down characters a bit. She's a morally grey character and that's why she's cool. It's not about being more manly because men exist in different conditions. I think if we want to see a more human side to black window, they could maybe show how she feels about her tactic, make her get fed up and lash out because changing the character without confronting the conditioned behavior washes away the humanity.
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@EmDoesNotExist I think the argument is too black and white. Either its all female voodoo or a girly with an apes bod. Women don't need muscle to be strong, but they need more than a body to be a good character. I think Arcane does a spectacular job at writing women who are people before their gender. For instance the punching Powerhouse Vi, who beats the shit out of people. She punches before she thinks, but thats not because she's an angry feminist... she grew up in an environment where you had to fight to survive. Plus, she was in charge of her ragtag siblings, prepped to be a leader by her adoptive father. The difference is that seducing people and then beating them up won't really work for the problems she faces. So, conditions effect character. Black windows tactic works with the conditions of a modern world, and kinda points out the flaws in the men she seduces rather than her seducing. The problem is that marvel is trying to appeal more to kids so they gotta water down characters a bit. She's a morally grey character and that's why she's cool. It's not about being more manly because men exist in different conditions. I think if we want to see a more human side to black window, they could maybe show how she feels about her tactic, make her get fed up and lash out because changing the character without confronting the conditioned behavior washes away the humanity.
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@Xsomono TRUE
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Idk what to think of this comment section, there’s so many very well thought out and argued points and analysis, but also so much ”Yeah scarjo’s an idiot, women have to be sexual what else do they got. Juicy milkers are great, I need to see them or I become disinterested!😤” Which just drives me nuts. The video itself, I can’t tell which side it’s on, it’s decently argued but also feels a bit simplistic and bit too stuck to pretty dusty and old ideas about women and men. Also I think it’s maybe a bit unfair to judge her for taking on sexy roles in the past, times are changing, those types of roles were maybe something she thought she just had to do, no option, to become an actor or to further her career. We don’t know is she was comfortable with Hollywood profiling her that way or not. But yeah I’m kind of sad if his opinion is that women have to be sensual and men have to be strong brutes for a movie to work. Playing around with traits just needs to be done well. On the other hand I agree that in order for a female character to be intimidating or strong doesn’t mean femininity needs to, or should be erased.
1
Yet more bulshit from the critical drinker. It's not about how we treat the female characters it's about how other characters treat them. In "Edge of Tomorrow" our intro to Rita is hella sexy and is explicitly designed to make us go "damn she's hot". But no characters on-screen would dare refer to her or even talk about her like that. We know the actor is hot, other characters know the character is hot, but it's irrelevant to the plot. In fact, her strength as a character is emphasized by the irrelevance of her beauty to her ability to kick ass.
1
I think the argument is too black and white. Either its all female voodoo or a girly with an apes bod. Women don't need muscle to be strong, but they need more than a body to be a good character. I think Arcane does a spectacular job at writing women who are people before their gender. For instance the punching Powerhouse Vi, who beats the shit out of people. She punches before she thinks, but thats not because she's an angry feminist... she grew up in an environment where you had to fight to survive. Plus, she was in charge of her ragtag siblings, prepped to be a leader by her adoptive father. The difference is that seducing people and then beating them up won't really work for the problems she faces. So, conditions effect character. Black windows tactic works with the conditions of a modern world, and kinda points out the flaws in the men she seduces rather than her seducing. The problem is that marvel is trying to appeal more to kids so they gotta water down characters a bit. She's a morally grey character and that's why she's cool. It's not about being more manly because men exist in different conditions. I think if we want to see a more human side to black window, they could maybe show how she feels about her tactic, make her get fed up and lash out because changing the character without confronting the conditioned behavior washes away the humanity.
1
Yet more bulshit from the critical drinker. It's not about how we treat the female characters it's about how other characters treat them. In "Edge of Tomorrow" our intro to Rita is hella sexy and is explicitly designed to make us go "damn she's hot". But no characters on-screen would dare refer to her or even talk about her like that. We know the actor is hot, other characters know the character is hot, but it's irrelevant to the plot. In fact, her strength as a character is emphasized by the irrelevance of her beauty to her ability to kick ass.
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@run4508 Saying "black widows are literally meant to be sexy huhdeduh" is just an impressive lack of historical knowledge. Black widows were just the name for female suicide bombers in the soviet nations (origin Chechen terrorists). Had nothing to do with looks. They were called widows because they more often than not, were the widow of a terrorist.
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I think what this analysis is missing is the impact having only one woman on screen in these movies has. One girl with one archetype and personality and appearance and that comes to fill the spot for every female, and she cant fit every role. If there were more female characters on screen that have a variety of fighting styles (DONE WELL) i think itd be more satisfying for everyone. Nothing wrong with Scar Jo being a sexy fem fatal type, it looks cool, but making that the only representation doesnt work well for everyone. Spiderman and thor dont have the same appeal you know
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@Dragonage2ftw I think the argument is too black and white. Either its all female voodoo or a girly with an apes bod. Women don't need muscle to be strong, but they need more than a body to be a good character. I think Arcane does a spectacular job at writing women who are people before their gender. For instance the punching Powerhouse Vi, who beats the shit out of people. She punches before she thinks, but thats not because she's an angry feminist... she grew up in an environment where you had to fight to survive. Plus, she was in charge of her ragtag siblings, prepped to be a leader by her adoptive father. The difference is that seducing people and then beating them up won't really work for the problems she faces. So, conditions effect character. Black windows tactic works with the conditions of a modern world, and kinda points out the flaws in the men she seduces rather than her seducing. The problem is that marvel is trying to appeal more to kids so they gotta water down characters a bit. She's a morally grey character and that's why she's cool. It's not about being more manly because men exist in different conditions. I think if we want to see a more human side to black window, they could maybe show how she feels about her tactic, make her get fed up and lash out because changing the character without confronting the conditioned behavior washes away the humanity.
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@Oblivion 1 Idk what to think of this comment section, there’s so many very well thought out and argued points and analysis, but also so much ”Yeah scarjo’s an idiot, women have to be sexual what else do they got. Juicy milkers are great, I need to see them or I become disinterested!😤” Which just drives me nuts. The video itself, I can’t tell which side it’s on, it’s decently argued but also feels a bit simplistic and bit too stuck to pretty dusty and old ideas about women and men. Also I think it’s maybe a bit unfair to judge her for taking on sexy roles in the past, times are changing, those types of roles were maybe something she thought she just had to do, no option, to become an actor or to further her career. We don’t know is she was comfortable with Hollywood profiling her that way or not. But yeah I’m kind of sad if his opinion is that women have to be sensual and men have to be strong brutes for a movie to work. Playing around with traits just needs to be done well. On the other hand I agree that in order for a female character to be intimidating or strong doesn’t mean femininity needs to, or should be erased.
1
Yet more bulshit from the critical drinker. It's not about how we treat the female characters it's about how other characters treat them. In "Edge of Tomorrow" our intro to Rita is hella sexy and is explicitly designed to make us go "damn she's hot". But no characters on-screen would dare refer to her or even talk about her like that. We know the actor is hot, other characters know the character is hot, but it's irrelevant to the plot. In fact, her strength as a character is emphasized by the irrelevance of her beauty to her ability to kick ass.
1
Idk what to think of this comment section, there’s so many very well thought out and argued points and analysis, but also so much ”Yeah scarjo’s an idiot, women have to be sexual what else do they got. Juicy milkers are great, I need to see them or I become disinterested!😤” Which just drives me nuts. The video itself, I can’t tell which side it’s on, it’s decently argued but also feels a bit simplistic and bit too stuck to pretty dusty and old ideas about women and men. Also I think it’s maybe a bit unfair to judge her for taking on sexy roles in the past, times are changing, those types of roles were maybe something she thought she just had to do, no option, to become an actor or to further her career. We don’t know is she was comfortable with Hollywood profiling her that way or not. But yeah I’m kind of sad if his opinion is that women have to be sensual and men have to be strong brutes for a movie to work. Playing around with traits just needs to be done well. On the other hand I agree that in order for a female character to be intimidating or strong doesn’t mean femininity needs to, or should be erased.
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I think the argument is too black and white. Either its all female voodoo or a girly with an apes bod. Women don't need muscle to be strong, but they need more than a body to be a good character. I think Arcane does a spectacular job at writing women who are people before their gender. For instance the punching Powerhouse Vi, who beats the shit out of people. She punches before she thinks, but thats not because she's an angry feminist... she grew up in an environment where you had to fight to survive. Plus, she was in charge of her ragtag siblings, prepped to be a leader by her adoptive father. The difference is that seducing people and then beating them up won't really work for the problems she faces. So, conditions effect character. Black windows tactic works with the conditions of a modern world, and kinda points out the flaws in the men she seduces rather than her seducing. The problem is that marvel is trying to appeal more to kids so they gotta water down characters a bit. She's a morally grey character and that's why she's cool. It's not about being more manly because men exist in different conditions. I think if we want to see a more human side to black window, they could maybe show how she feels about her tactic, make her get fed up and lash out because changing the character without confronting the conditioned behavior washes away the humanity.
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I think the argument is too black and white. Either its all female voodoo or a girly with an apes bod. Women don't need muscle to be strong, but they need more than a body to be a good character. I think Arcane does a spectacular job at writing women who are people before their gender. For instance the punching Powerhouse Vi, who beats the shit out of people. She punches before she thinks, but thats not because she's an angry feminist... she grew up in an environment where you had to fight to survive. Plus, she was in charge of her ragtag siblings, prepped to be a leader by her adoptive father. The difference is that seducing people and then beating them up won't really work for the problems she faces. So, conditions effect character. Black windows tactic works with the conditions of a modern world, and kinda points out the flaws in the men she seduces rather than her seducing. The problem is that marvel is trying to appeal more to kids so they gotta water down characters a bit. She's a morally grey character and that's why she's cool. It's not about being more manly because men exist in different conditions. I think if we want to see a more human side to black window, they could maybe show how she feels about her tactic, make her get fed up and lash out because changing the character without confronting the conditioned behavior washes away the humanity.
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I think the argument is too black and white. Either its all female voodoo or a girly with an apes bod. Women don't need muscle to be strong, but they need more than a body to be a good character. I think Arcane does a spectacular job at writing women who are people before their gender. For instance the punching Powerhouse Vi, who beats the shit out of people. She punches before she thinks, but thats not because she's an angry feminist... she grew up in an environment where you had to fight to survive. Plus, she was in charge of her ragtag siblings, prepped to be a leader by her adoptive father. The difference is that seducing people and then beating them up won't really work for the problems she faces. So, conditions effect character. Black windows tactic works with the conditions of a modern world, and kinda points out the flaws in the men she seduces rather than her seducing. The problem is that marvel is trying to appeal more to kids so they gotta water down characters a bit. She's a morally grey character and that's why she's cool. It's not about being more manly because men exist in different conditions. I think if we want to see a more human side to black window, they could maybe show how she feels about her tactic, make her get fed up and lash out because changing the character without confronting the conditioned behavior washes away the humanity.
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I think the argument is too black and white. Either its all female voodoo or a girly with an apes bod. Women don't need muscle to be strong, but they need more than a body to be a good character. I think Arcane does a spectacular job at writing women who are people before their gender. For instance the punching Powerhouse Vi, who beats the shit out of people. She punches before she thinks, but thats not because she's an angry feminist... she grew up in an environment where you had to fight to survive. Plus, she was in charge of her ragtag siblings, prepped to be a leader by her adoptive father. The difference is that seducing people and then beating them up won't really work for the problems she faces. So, conditions effect character. Black windows tactic works with the conditions of a modern world, and kinda points out the flaws in the men she seduces rather than her seducing. The problem is that marvel is trying to appeal more to kids so they gotta water down characters a bit. She's a morally grey character and that's why she's cool. It's not about being more manly because men exist in different conditions. I think if we want to see a more human side to black window, they could maybe show how she feels about her tactic, make her get fed up and lash out because changing the character without confronting the conditioned behavior washes away the humanity.
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@Lee Ara I think the argument is too black and white. Either its all female voodoo or a girly with an apes bod. Women don't need muscle to be strong, but they need more than a body to be a good character. I think Arcane does a spectacular job at writing women who are people before their gender. For instance the punching Powerhouse Vi, who beats the shit out of people. She punches before she thinks, but thats not because she's an angry feminist... she grew up in an environment where you had to fight to survive. Plus, she was in charge of her ragtag siblings, prepped to be a leader by her adoptive father. The difference is that seducing people and then beating them up won't really work for the problems she faces. So, conditions effect character. Black windows tactic works with the conditions of a modern world, and kinda points out the flaws in the men she seduces rather than her seducing. The problem is that marvel is trying to appeal more to kids so they gotta water down characters a bit. She's a morally grey character and that's why she's cool. It's not about being more manly because men exist in different conditions. I think if we want to see a more human side to black window, they could maybe show how she feels about her tactic, make her get fed up and lash out because changing the character without confronting the conditioned behavior washes away the humanity.
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@terriquinlan7683 I think the argument is too black and white. Either its all female voodoo or a girly with an apes bod. Women don't need muscle to be strong, but they need more than a body to be a good character. I think Arcane does a spectacular job at writing women who are people before their gender. For instance the punching Powerhouse Vi, who beats the shit out of people. She punches before she thinks, but thats not because she's an angry feminist... she grew up in an environment where you had to fight to survive. Plus, she was in charge of her ragtag siblings, prepped to be a leader by her adoptive father. The difference is that seducing people and then beating them up won't really work for the problems she faces. So, conditions effect character. Black windows tactic works with the conditions of a modern world, and kinda points out the flaws in the men she seduces rather than her seducing. The problem is that marvel is trying to appeal more to kids so they gotta water down characters a bit. She's a morally grey character and that's why she's cool. It's not about being more manly because men exist in different conditions. I think if we want to see a more human side to black window, they could maybe show how she feels about her tactic, make her get fed up and lash out because changing the character without confronting the conditioned behavior washes away the humanity.
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@terriquinlan7683 "black widows are literally meant to be sexy huhdeduh" is just an impressive lack of historical knowledge. Black widows were just the name for female suicide bombers in the soviet nations (origin Chechen terrorists). Had nothing to do with looks. They were called widows because they more often than not, were the widow of a terrorist.
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@terriquinlan7683 yeah, but the MAJORITY of comments here kept saying that phrase, its annoying AF tbh
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I think the argument is too black and white. Either its all female voodoo or a girly with an apes bod. Women don't need muscle to be strong, but they need more than a body to be a good character. I think Arcane does a spectacular job at writing women who are people before their gender. For instance the punching Powerhouse Vi, who beats the shit out of people. She punches before she thinks, but thats not because she's an angry feminist... she grew up in an environment where you had to fight to survive. Plus, she was in charge of her ragtag siblings, prepped to be a leader by her adoptive father. The difference is that seducing people and then beating them up won't really work for the problems she faces. So, conditions effect character. Black windows tactic works with the conditions of a modern world, and kinda points out the flaws in the men she seduces rather than her seducing. The problem is that marvel is trying to appeal more to kids so they gotta water down characters a bit. She's a morally grey character and that's why she's cool. It's not about being more manly because men exist in different conditions. I think if we want to see a more human side to black window, they could maybe show how she feels about her tactic, make her get fed up and lash out because changing the character without confronting the conditioned behavior washes away the humanity.
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Yet more bulshit from the critical drinker. It's not about how we treat the female characters it's about how other characters treat them. In "Edge of Tomorrow" our intro to Rita is hella sexy and is explicitly designed to make us go "damn she's hot". But no characters on-screen would dare refer to her or even talk about her like that. We know the actor is hot, other characters know the character is hot, but it's irrelevant to the plot. In fact, her strength as a character is emphasized by the irrelevance of her beauty to her ability to kick ass.
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Yet more bulshit from the critical drinker. It's not about how we treat the female characters it's about how other characters treat them. In "Edge of Tomorrow" our intro to Rita is hella sexy and is explicitly designed to make us go "damn she's hot". But no characters on-screen would dare refer to her or even talk about her like that. We know the actor is hot, other characters know the character is hot, but it's irrelevant to the plot. In fact, her strength as a character is emphasized by the irrelevance of her beauty to her ability to kick ass.
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Yet more bulshit from the critical drinker. It's not about how we treat the female characters it's about how other characters treat them. In "Edge of Tomorrow" our intro to Rita is hella sexy and is explicitly designed to make us go "damn she's hot". But no characters on-screen would dare refer to her or even talk about her like that. We know the actor is hot, other characters know the character is hot, but it's irrelevant to the plot. In fact, her strength as a character is emphasized by the irrelevance of her beauty to her ability to kick ass.
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I think the argument is too black and white. Either its all female voodoo or a girly with an apes bod. Women don't need muscle to be strong, but they need more than a body to be a good character. I think Arcane does a spectacular job at writing women who are people before their gender. For instance the punching Powerhouse Vi, who beats the shit out of people. She punches before she thinks, but thats not because she's an angry feminist... she grew up in an environment where you had to fight to survive. Plus, she was in charge of her ragtag siblings, prepped to be a leader by her adoptive father. The difference is that seducing people and then beating them up won't really work for the problems she faces. So, conditions effect character. Black windows tactic works with the conditions of a modern world, and kinda points out the flaws in the men she seduces rather than her seducing. The problem is that marvel is trying to appeal more to kids so they gotta water down characters a bit. She's a morally grey character and that's why she's cool. It's not about being more manly because men exist in different conditions. I think if we want to see a more human side to black window, they could maybe show how she feels about her tactic, make her get fed up and lash out because changing the character without confronting the conditioned behavior washes away the humanity.
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I think the argument is too black and white. Either its all female voodoo or a girly with an apes bod. Women don't need muscle to be strong, but they need more than a body to be a good character. I think Arcane does a spectacular job at writing women who are people before their gender. For instance the punching Powerhouse Vi, who beats the shit out of people. She punches before she thinks, but thats not because she's an angry feminist... she grew up in an environment where you had to fight to survive. Plus, she was in charge of her ragtag siblings, prepped to be a leader by her adoptive father. The difference is that seducing people and then beating them up won't really work for the problems she faces. So, conditions effect character. Black windows tactic works with the conditions of a modern world, and kinda points out the flaws in the men she seduces rather than her seducing. The problem is that marvel is trying to appeal more to kids so they gotta water down characters a bit. She's a morally grey character and that's why she's cool. It's not about being more manly because men exist in different conditions. I think if we want to see a more human side to black window, they could maybe show how she feels about her tactic, make her get fed up and lash out because changing the character without confronting the conditioned behavior washes away the humanity.
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@Aaronthegreatest I think what this analysis is missing is the impact having only one woman on screen in these movies has. One girl with one archetype and personality and appearance and that comes to fill the spot for every female, and she cant fit every role. If there were more female characters on screen that have a variety of fighting styles (DONE WELL) i think itd be more satisfying for everyone. Nothing wrong with Scar Jo being a sexy fem fatal type, it looks cool, but making that the only representation doesnt work well for everyone. Spiderman and thor dont have the same appeal you know
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@patrickparadis8623 I think the argument is too black and white. Either its all female voodoo or a girly with an apes bod. Women don't need muscle to be strong, but they need more than a body to be a good character. I think Arcane does a spectacular job at writing women who are people before their gender. For instance the punching Powerhouse Vi, who beats the shit out of people. She punches before she thinks, but thats not because she's an angry feminist... she grew up in an environment where you had to fight to survive. Plus, she was in charge of her ragtag siblings, prepped to be a leader by her adoptive father. The difference is that seducing people and then beating them up won't really work for the problems she faces. So, conditions effect character. Black windows tactic works with the conditions of a modern world, and kinda points out the flaws in the men she seduces rather than her seducing. The problem is that marvel is trying to appeal more to kids so they gotta water down characters a bit. She's a morally grey character and that's why she's cool. It's not about being more manly because men exist in different conditions. I think if we want to see a more human side to black window, they could maybe show how she feels about her tactic, make her get fed up and lash out because changing the character without confronting the conditioned behavior washes away the humanity.
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@patrickparadis8623 I am team defeminization. Here's why; I am sick to death of seeing ass everywhere, ads, social media, tv, movies..yoga pants! It's too much. Men are inundated with soft porn everywhere we go and it's detrimental to male psychology imo. I would like to live my life on a higher level and not a hedonistic one (I know this is controversial and that is kind of my point). If #metoo proved anything to me its that we should retire the whole concept of sex object.
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@patrickparadis8623 Yet more bulshit from the critical drinker. It's not about how we treat the female characters it's about how other characters treat them. In "Edge of Tomorrow" our intro to Rita is hella sexy and is explicitly designed to make us go "damn she's hot". But no characters on-screen would dare refer to her or even talk about her like that. We know the actor is hot, other characters know the character is hot, but it's irrelevant to the plot. In fact, her strength as a character is emphasized by the irrelevance of her beauty to her ability to kick ass.
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@Aaronthegreatest Yet more bulshit from the critical drinker. It's not about how we treat the female characters it's about how other characters treat them. In "Edge of Tomorrow" our intro to Rita is hella sexy and is explicitly designed to make us go "damn she's hot". But no characters on-screen would dare refer to her or even talk about her like that. We know the actor is hot, other characters know the character is hot, but it's irrelevant to the plot. In fact, her strength as a character is emphasized by the irrelevance of her beauty to her ability to kick ass.
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@Lee Ara Yet more bulshit from the critical drinker. It's not about how we treat the female characters it's about how other characters treat them. In "Edge of Tomorrow" our intro to Rita is hella sexy and is explicitly designed to make us go "damn she's hot". But no characters on-screen would dare refer to her or even talk about her like that. We know the actor is hot, other characters know the character is hot, but it's irrelevant to the plot. In fact, her strength as a character is emphasized by the irrelevance of her beauty to her ability to kick ass.
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I think the argument is too black and white. Either its all female voodoo or a girly with an apes bod. Women don't need muscle to be strong, but they need more than a body to be a good character. I think Arcane does a spectacular job at writing women who are people before their gender. For instance the punching Powerhouse Vi, who beats the shit out of people. She punches before she thinks, but thats not because she's an angry feminist... she grew up in an environment where you had to fight to survive. Plus, she was in charge of her ragtag siblings, prepped to be a leader by her adoptive father. The difference is that seducing people and then beating them up won't really work for the problems she faces. So, conditions effect character. Black windows tactic works with the conditions of a modern world, and kinda points out the flaws in the men she seduces rather than her seducing. The problem is that marvel is trying to appeal more to kids so they gotta water down characters a bit. She's a morally grey character and that's why she's cool. It's not about being more manly because men exist in different conditions. I think if we want to see a more human side to black window, they could maybe show how she feels about her tactic, make her get fed up and lash out because changing the character without confronting the conditioned behavior washes away the humanity.
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Yet more bulshit from the critical drinker. It's not about how we treat the female characters it's about how other characters treat them. In "Edge of Tomorrow" our intro to Rita is hella sexy and is explicitly designed to make us go "damn she's hot". But no characters on-screen would dare refer to her or even talk about her like that. We know the actor is hot, other characters know the character is hot, but it's irrelevant to the plot. In fact, her strength as a character is emphasized by the irrelevance of her beauty to her ability to kick ass.
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i agree 100%
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@darliiingz03 I am team defeminization. Here's why; I am sick to death of seeing ass everywhere, ads, social media, tv, movies..yoga pants! It's too much. Men are inundated with soft porn everywhere we go and it's detrimental to male psychology imo. I would like to live my life on a higher level and not a hedonistic one (I know this is controversial and that is kind of my point). If #metoo proved anything to me its that we should retire the whole concept of sex object.
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Yet more bulshit from the critical drinker. It's not about how we treat the female characters it's about how other characters treat them. In "Edge of Tomorrow" our intro to Rita is hella sexy and is explicitly designed to make us go "damn she's hot". But no characters on-screen would dare refer to her or even talk about her like that. We know the actor is hot, other characters know the character is hot, but it's irrelevant to the plot. In fact, her strength as a character is emphasized by the irrelevance of her beauty to her ability to kick ass.
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