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  1. Honestly, I think that all this hate for Cassie is really messy and toxic... The main message of the show is literally " we all make bad decision, but nonetheless we're able to improve ourself. We should be less judicious towards others and ourself". But most people apply this message on everyone but Cassie. We all know Cassie has her fair share of mistakes, but its so overlooked that Nate is a manipulative person, not just with Maddy. We should remember that Cassie was deeply depressed and fragile, she felt empty and lonely, i personally think that Nate took advantage of her vulnerability to forget his feelings. I cant understand how so many people underestimate his influence on Cassie while Maddy has INCRIMINATED an INNOCENT person only to protect Nate. Also, i found the Lesley's play down straight cruel and humiliating to Cassie, because for me it was done with no particular moral intent, but mostly with envy. This is pure slutshaming for me. I think that season 2 was too ipocrite with the initial message and i hate the way Cassie has been represented. The narrative is really too ambiguous with her, because it begans to make her look like a ridiculous villain instead of a more real and complex character. We have all forgive Rue, even though she had ruined her family's life, she used to be manipulative and a liar, because she was obviously hurt. And likewise happens with every other characters. So why people can't even try to empathize a little with what Cassie is going through? This seems kinda misogyny to me...ops
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  2. I love cassies character. Maybe I haven't seen a lot of movies but I haven't seen a lot of characters with mental problems depicted like she is. Like it's either the sweet anxious/depressed girl or the completely crazy one that's practically a joke. It's good to see a character who's spiralling deeper and deeper beyond help, hurting people around her, unable to break out of her habits even when she wants to. I've had depression too and been there, I want her to get better next season of course but it's sill kind of validating to watch? Weirdly enough. And I don't really mind the ppl who are angry with her, ppl aren't supposed to accommodate u just becuz you're mentally ill. U hv to clean up ur own shiet. And I like how even her family doesn't like her, like that's very real, you really can't expext anything when you're unstable tbh
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  3. Honestly, I think that all this hate for Cassie is really messy and toxic... The main message of the show is literally " we all make bad decision, but nonetheless we're able to improve ourself. We should be less judicious towards others and ourself". But most people apply this message on everyone but Cassie. We all know Cassie has her fair share of mistakes, but its so overlooked that Nate is a manipulative person, not just with Maddy. We should remember that Cassie was deeply depressed and fragile, she felt empty and lonely, i personally think that Nate took advantage of her vulnerability to forget his feelings. I cant understand how so many people underestimate his influence on Cassie while Maddy has INCRIMINATED an INNOCENT person only to protect Nate. Also, i found the Lesley's play down straight cruel and humiliating to Cassie, because for me it was done with no particular moral intent, but mostly with envy. This is pure slutshaming for me. I think that season 2 was too ipocrite with the initial message and i hate the way Cassie has been represented. The narrative is really too ambiguous with her, because it begans to make her look like a ridiculous villain instead of a more real and complex character. We have all forgive Rue, even though she had ruined her family's life, she used to be manipulative and a liar, because she was obviously hurt. And likewise happens with every other characters. So why people can't even try to empathize a little with what Cassie is going through? This seems kinda misogyny to me...ops
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  4. I don't want to excuse Cassie for what she did, but people seem to be so desensitized with Nate and think he's only doing what's expected of him that they end up forgetting that he's the biggest problem here. Realistically, I would react the same way Maddie did, because Cassie broke her trust and if someone you bonded with so much just broke your trust and got with your ex-ABUSIVE boyfriend, that would deeply hurt you, but Nate needs to take responsibility for his actions as well, not just Cassie. He ain't even facing any consequences despite being so much of a jack-ass. He only got beaten once meanwhile Cassie always needs to take blame even before this entire incident. Plus, people seem to forget about Cassie's passion for ice skating. Instead of making season 2 about her trying to find herself after all the heartbreak, regaining her love for ice skating and pursuing it. I know that putting her together with Nate creates more drama, making it more interesting to viewers and that's what they want, but it's also kinda demeaning to Cassie as a person. I'm being way too invested but like I'm just kinda sad, I wanted Cassie to grow but her world only fell apart, and yes she did questionable things in the past, I don't excuse any of her wrongdoings but the point is wanting to see her grow and since she's literally just a character so I believe they could have molded her differently. Also like someone said, her true love doesn't have to be a man, it could be anyone, it doesn't have to be romantic. As long as it helps her grow and uplifts her, helps her become a better person, then that's who you can consider her true love. It's so sad to see Maddie and Cassie pitted against each other; "Bitch you're my soulmate"😭😭😭
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  5.  @jyaie4840  Honestly, I think that all this hate for Cassie is really messy and toxic... The main message of the show is literally " we all make bad decision, but nonetheless we're able to improve ourself. We should be less judicious towards others and ourself". But most people apply this message on everyone but Cassie. We all know Cassie has her fair share of mistakes, but its so overlooked that Nate is a manipulative person, not just with Maddy. We should remember that Cassie was deeply depressed and fragile, she felt empty and lonely, i personally think that Nate took advantage of her vulnerability to forget his feelings. I cant understand how so many people underestimate his influence on Cassie while Maddy has INCRIMINATED an INNOCENT person only to protect Nate. Also, i found the Lesley's play down straight cruel and humiliating to Cassie, because for me it was done with no particular moral intent, but mostly with envy. This is pure slutshaming for me. I think that season 2 was too ipocrite with the initial message and i hate the way Cassie has been represented. The narrative is really too ambiguous with her, because it begans to make her look like a ridiculous villain instead of a more real and complex character. We have all forgive Rue, even though she had ruined her family's life, she used to be manipulative and a liar, because she was obviously hurt. And likewise happens with every other characters. So why people can't even try to empathize a little with what Cassie is going through? This seems kinda misogyny to me...ops
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  6. i know right ? lol
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  7.  @Ojo10  I love cassies character. Maybe I haven't seen a lot of movies but I haven't seen a lot of characters with mental problems depicted like she is. Like it's either the sweet anxious/depressed girl or the completely crazy one that's practically a joke. It's good to see a character who's spiralling deeper and deeper beyond help, hurting people around her, unable to break out of her habits even when she wants to. I've had depression too and been there, I want her to get better next season of course but it's sill kind of validating to watch? Weirdly enough. And I don't really mind the ppl who are angry with her, ppl aren't supposed to accommodate u just becuz you're mentally ill. U hv to clean up ur own shiet. And I like how even her family doesn't like her, like that's very real, you really can't expext anything when you're unstable. tbh
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  8.  @romanticrose6822  I love Cassie's character. Maybe I haven't seen a lot of movies but I haven't seen a lot of characters with mental problems depicted like she is. Like it's either the sweet anxious/depressed girl or the completely crazy one that's practically a joke. It's good to see a character who's spiralling deeper and deeper beyond help, hurting people around her, unable to break out of her habits even when she wants to. I've had depression too and been there, I want her to get better next season of course but it's sill kind of validating to watch? Weirdly enough. And I don't really mind the ppl who are angry with her, ppl aren't supposed to accommodate u just becuz you're mentally ill. U hv to clean up ur own shiet. And I like how even her family doesn't like her, like that's very real, you really can't expect anything when you're unstable. tbh
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  9. Honestly, I think that all this hate for Cassie is really messy and toxic... The main message of the show is literally " we all make bad decision, but nonetheless we're able to improve ourself. We should be less judicious towards others and ourself". But most people apply this message on everyone but Cassie. We all know Cassie has her fair share of mistakes, but its so overlooked that Nate is a manipulative person, not just with Maddy. We should remember that Cassie was deeply depressed and fragile, she felt empty and lonely, i personally think that Nate took advantage of her vulnerability to forget his feelings. I cant understand how so many people underestimate his influence on Cassie while Maddy has INCRIMINATED an INNOCENT person only to protect Nate. Also, i found the Lesley's play down straight cruel and humiliating to Cassie, because for me it was done with no particular moral intent, but mostly with envy. This is pure slutshaming for me. I think that season 2 was too ipocrite with the initial message and i hate the way Cassie has been represented. The narrative is really too ambiguous with her, because it begans to make her look like a ridiculous villain instead of a more real and complex character. We have all forgive Rue, even though she had ruined her family's life, she used to be manipulative and a liar, because she was obviously hurt. And likewise happens with every other characters. So why people can't even try to empathize a little with what Cassie is going through? This seems kinda misogyny to me...ops
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  10. Honestly, I think that all this hate for Cassie is really messy and toxic... The main message of the show is literally " we all make bad decision, but nonetheless we're able to improve ourself. We should be less judicious towards others and ourself". But most people apply this message on everyone but Cassie. We all know Cassie has her fair share of mistakes, but its so overlooked that Nate is a manipulative person, not just with Maddy. We should remember that Cassie was deeply depressed and fragile, she felt empty and lonely, i personally think that Nate took advantage of her vulnerability to forget his feelings. I cant understand how so many people underestimate his influence on Cassie while Maddy has INCRIMINATED an INNOCENT person only to protect Nate. Also, i found the Lesley's play down straight cruel and humiliating to Cassie, because for me it was done with no particular moral intent, but mostly with envy. This is pure slutshaming for me. I think that season 2 was too ipocrite with the initial message and i hate the way Cassie has been represented. The narrative is really too ambiguous with her, because it begans to make her look like a ridiculous villain instead of a more real and complex character. We have all forgive Rue, even though she had ruined her family's life, she used to be manipulative and a liar, because she was obviously hurt. And likewise happens with every other characters. So why people can't even try to empathize a little with what Cassie is going through? This seems kinda misogyny to me...ops
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  11. It's so weird to me that a country as open sexually as Japan is would have such a hard time accepting sex when it's someone they know. I don't have any issue of a family member wanted to join the sex industry. The industry you choose doesn't matter. What matters is how well you run your business, if you're paying your bills, and if what you're doing brings you joy. Rubbing bodies together is not a shame. Bad sex is a shame. Getting caught in debt traps is a shame. Not knowing how to provide for yourself or how to adapt to do something different and or better is a shame. Sex as an industry shouldn't be a shame.
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  12.  @ii-dh7lq  Let me go against the grain here with regards to the popular opinion in the comment section. There is nothing degrading about being a sex worker, sex work does not make you a lesser person or less educated and while you might end up being on the internet forever, as long as society doesn't judge you, that shouldn't be a big deal. Would I want my child (daughter OR SON) doing this stuff? No. Why? I don't trust some of the higher ups in these industries. Some of these people are shady and treat women particularly like crap. But that could improve and has made significant progress as more women started to take control. My second main reason is the misogyny my daughter would face by both men AND women (including Feminists) for simply recording and distributing something that most people do. Some of these women, maybe not in Japan but in America and Europe, make ridiculous amounts of money by simply showing the physical intimacy I their monogamous relationship between themselves and their partner. They're doing the same things they'd do, just recording and distributing it for tens of thousands to hundreds of thousands of dollars. Why does this affect them with regards to how they are perceived? Why should this affect them with regards to getting a job or running for office? How are they inherently bad people because they filmed themselves f*ck?
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  13. Idk what to think of this comment section, there’s so many very well thought out and argued points and analysis, but also so much ”Yeah scarjo’s an idiot, women have to be sexual what else do they got. Juicy milkers are great, I need to see them or I become disinterested!😤” Which just drives me nuts. The video itself, I can’t tell which side it’s on, it’s decently argued but also feels a bit simplistic and bit too stuck to pretty dusty and old ideas about women and men. Also I think it’s maybe a bit unfair to judge her for taking on sexy roles in the past, times are changing, those types of roles were maybe something she thought she just had to do, no option, to become an actor or to further her career. We don’t know is she was comfortable with Hollywood profiling her that way or not. But yeah I’m kind of sad if his opinion is that women have to be sensual and men have to be strong brutes for a movie to work. Playing around with traits just needs to be done well. On the other hand I agree that in order for a female character to be intimidating or strong doesn’t mean femininity needs to, or should be erased.
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  14.  @maheenm.k1015  We don't have to vindicate the Other Woman in an attempt to de-villainise her. The Other Woman is a complex figure, and that's a good thing! It can be interesting to delve into exactly why she feels compelled to go after a married man. She could be used to reflect the patriarchal impulse to be "superior" to another woman by catering to a man's desires, she could be used to deconstruct the notion that women are automatically self-sacrificing romantics and (*gasp!*) can be selfish; in short, privileging her perspective is an opportunity to represent a real, flawed human being. But let's not make her into an angel... because no one is. 'Waitress' offers a good example of the Other Woman as a nuanced figure. Dr Pommater is in a relatively happy marriage (from the little we see of his wife there is nothing abusive about her), yet he cheats with the film/musical's protagonist, Jenna. Jenna is in an abusive relationship and has been stifled by her man-child husband and aborted ambitions - and the affair is a meaningful way of reclaiming her agency. But both the film and the musical show Jenna agonising over the affair and her acceptance that it is hurtful to Dr Pommater's wife even if it helped Jenna fight back against her abuser and get through an unplanned pregnancy. And that's life - women are not manipulative one-dimensional femme fatales vying for a married man out of nothing but sadism, they are people who should not be villified even if they are not absolved.
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  15. Honestly, I think that all this hate for Cassie is really messy and toxic... The main message of the show is literally " we all make bad decision, but nonetheless we're able to improve ourself. We should be less judicious towards others and ourself". But most people apply this message on everyone but Cassie. We all know Cassie has her fair share of mistakes, but its so overlooked that Nate is a manipulative person, not just with Maddy. We should remember that Cassie was deeply depressed and fragile, she felt empty and lonely, i personally think that Nate took advantage of her vulnerability to forget his feelings. I cant understand how so many people underestimate his influence on Cassie while Maddy has INCRIMINATED an INNOCENT person only to protect Nate. Also, i found the Lesley's play down straight cruel and humiliating to Cassie, because for me it was done with no particular moral intent, but mostly with envy. This is pure slutshaming for me. I think that season 2 was too ipocrite with the initial message and i hate the way Cassie has been represented. The narrative is really too ambiguous with her, because it begans to make her look like a ridiculous villain instead of a more real and complex character. We have all forgive Rue, even though she had ruined her family's life, she used to be manipulative and a liar, because she was obviously hurt. And likewise happens with every other characters. So why people can't even try to empathize a little with what Cassie is going through? This seems kinda misogyny to me...ops
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  16. I think what this analysis is missing is the impact having only one woman on screen in these movies has. One girl with one archetype and personality and appearance and that comes to fill the spot for every female, and she cant fit every role. If there were more female characters on screen that have a variety of fighting styles (DONE WELL) i think itd be more satisfying for everyone. Nothing wrong with Scar Jo being a sexy fem fatal type, it looks cool, but making that the only representation doesnt work well for everyone. Spiderman and thor dont have the same appeal you know
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  17. I don't want to excuse Cassie for what she did, but people seem to be so desensitized with Nate and think he's only doing what's expected of him that they end up forgetting that he's the biggest problem here. Realistically, I would react the same way Maddie did, because Cassie broke her trust and if someone you bonded with so much just broke your trust and got with your ex-ABUSIVE boyfriend, that would deeply hurt you, but Nate needs to take responsibility for his actions as well, not just Cassie. He ain't even facing any consequences despite being so much of a jack-ass. He only got beaten once meanwhile Cassie always needs to take blame even before this entire incident. Plus, people seem to forget about Cassie's passion for ice skating. Instead of making season 2 about her trying to find herself after all the heartbreak, regaining her love for ice skating and pursuing it. I know that putting her together with Nate creates more drama, making it more interesting to viewers and that's what they want, but it's also kinda demeaning to Cassie as a person. I'm being way too invested but like I'm just kinda sad, I wanted Cassie to grow but her world only fell apart, and yes she did questionable things in the past, I don't excuse any of her wrongdoings but the point is wanting to see her grow and since she's literally just a character so I believe they could have molded her differently. Also like someone said, her true love doesn't have to be a man, it could be anyone, it doesn't have to be romantic. As long as it helps her grow and uplifts her, helps her become a better person, then that's who you can consider her true love. It's so sad to see Maddie and Cassie pitted against each other; "Bitch you're my soulmate"😭😭😭
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  18. i agree with this 100%
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  19. Honestly, I think that all this hate for Cassie is really messy and toxic... The main message of the show is literally " we all make bad decision, but nonetheless we're able to improve ourself. We should be less judicious towards others and ourself". But most people apply this message on everyone but Cassie. We all know Cassie has her fair share of mistakes, but its so overlooked that Nate is a manipulative person, not just with Maddy. We should remember that Cassie was deeply depressed and fragile, she felt empty and lonely, i personally think that Nate took advantage of her vulnerability to forget his feelings. I cant understand how so many people underestimate his influence on Cassie while Maddy has INCRIMINATED an INNOCENT person only to protect Nate. Also, i found the Lesley's play down straight cruel and humiliating to Cassie, because for me it was done with no particular moral intent, but mostly with envy. This is pure slutshaming for me. I think that season 2 was too ipocrite with the initial message and i hate the way Cassie has been represented. The narrative is really too ambiguous with her, because it begans to make her look like a ridiculous villain instead of a more real and complex character. We have all forgive Rue, even though she had ruined her family's life, she used to be manipulative and a liar, because she was obviously hurt. And likewise happens with every other characters. So why people can't even try to empathize a little with what Cassie is going through? This seems kinda misogyny to me...ops
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  20. I don't want to excuse Cassie for what she did, but people seem to be so desensitized with Nate and think he's only doing what's expected of him that they end up forgetting that he's the biggest problem here. Realistically, I would react the same way Maddie did, because Cassie broke her trust and if someone you bonded with so much just broke your trust and got with your ex-ABUSIVE boyfriend, that would deeply hurt you, but Nate needs to take responsibility for his actions as well, not just Cassie. He ain't even facing any consequences despite being so much of a jack-ass. He only got beaten once meanwhile Cassie always needs to take blame even before this entire incident. Plus, people seem to forget about Cassie's passion for ice skating. Instead of making season 2 about her trying to find herself after all the heartbreak, regaining her love for ice skating and pursuing it. I know that putting her together with Nate creates more drama, making it more interesting to viewers and that's what they want, but it's also kinda demeaning to Cassie as a person. I'm being way too invested but like I'm just kinda sad, I wanted Cassie to grow but her world only fell apart, and yes she did questionable things in the past, I don't excuse any of her wrongdoings but the point is wanting to see her grow and since she's literally just a character so I believe they could have molded her differently. Also like someone said, her true love doesn't have to be a man, it could be anyone, it doesn't have to be romantic. As long as it helps her grow and uplifts her, helps her become a better person, then that's who you can consider her true love. It's so sad to see Maddie and Cassie pitted against each other; "Bitch you're my soulmate"😭😭😭
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  21.  @Thepriestessdeath  cough cough Jeffrey dahmer cough cough
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  22.  @serenitysubs933  I don't want to excuse Cassie for what she did, but people seem to be so desensitized with Nate and think he's only doing what's expected of him that they end up forgetting that he's the biggest problem here. Realistically, I would react the same way Maddie did, because Cassie broke her trust and if someone you bonded with so much just broke your trust and got with your ex-ABUSIVE boyfriend, that would deeply hurt you, but Nate needs to take responsibility for his actions as well, not just Cassie. He ain't even facing any consequences despite being so much of a jack-ass. He only got beaten once meanwhile Cassie always needs to take blame even before this entire incident. Plus, people seem to forget about Cassie's passion for ice skating. Instead of making season 2 about her trying to find herself after all the heartbreak, regaining her love for ice skating and pursuing it. I know that putting her together with Nate creates more drama, making it more interesting to viewers and that's what they want, but it's also kinda demeaning to Cassie as a person. I'm being way too invested but like I'm just kinda sad, I wanted Cassie to grow but her world only fell apart, and yes she did questionable things in the past, I don't excuse any of her wrongdoings but the point is wanting to see her grow and since she's literally just a character so I believe they could have molded her differently. Also like someone said, her true love doesn't have to be a man, it could be anyone, it doesn't have to be romantic. As long as it helps her grow and uplifts her, helps her become a better person, then that's who you can consider her true love. It's so sad to see Maddie and Cassie pitted against each other; "Bitch you're my soulmate"😭😭😭
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  23.  @camilatorres8322  Honestly, I think that all this hate for Cassie is really messy and toxic... The main message of the show is literally " we all make bad decision, but nonetheless we're able to improve ourself. We should be less judicious towards others and ourself". But most people apply this message on everyone but Cassie. We all know Cassie has her fair share of mistakes, but its so overlooked that Nate is a manipulative person, not just with Maddy. We should remember that Cassie was deeply depressed and fragile, she felt empty and lonely, i personally think that Nate took advantage of her vulnerability to forget his feelings. I cant understand how so many people underestimate his influence on Cassie while Maddy has INCRIMINATED an INNOCENT person only to protect Nate. Also, i found the Lesley's play down straight cruel and humiliating to Cassie, because for me it was done with no particular moral intent, but mostly with envy. This is pure slutshaming for me. I think that season 2 was too ipocrite with the initial message and i hate the way Cassie has been represented. The narrative is really too ambiguous with her, because it begans to make her look like a ridiculous villain instead of a more real and complex character. We have all forgive Rue, even though she had ruined her family's life, she used to be manipulative and a liar, because she was obviously hurt. And likewise happens with every other characters. So why people can't even try to empathize a little with what Cassie is going through? This seems kinda misogyny to me...ops
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  24. Idk what to think of this comment section, there’s so many very well thought out and argued points and analysis, but also so much ”Yeah scarjo’s an idiot, women have to be sexual what else do they got. Juicy milkers are great, I need to see them or I become disinterested!😤” Which just drives me nuts. The video itself, I can’t tell which side it’s on, it’s decently argued but also feels a bit simplistic and bit too stuck to pretty dusty and old ideas about women and men. Also I think it’s maybe a bit unfair to judge her for taking on sexy roles in the past, times are changing, those types of roles were maybe something she thought she just had to do, no option, to become an actor or to further her career. We don’t know is she was comfortable with Hollywood profiling her that way or not. But yeah I’m kind of sad if his opinion is that women have to be sensual and men have to be strong brutes for a movie to work. Playing around with traits just needs to be done well. On the other hand I agree that in order for a female character to be intimidating or strong doesn’t mean femininity needs to, or should be erased.
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  25.  @idontdodrugsiamdrugs  its funny that men always preach about holding women accountable for their actions, yet at the same time defending other men for their cheating behavior, saying things like" its in men nature to cheat, all men will cheat beacuse of urges, your husband will cheat on you , deal with it!" The same excuses women make to escape repsonsibilities. Oh the hypocrisy ! i realize from some of the comments here that, some men( not all) will never hold other men accountable, its like accountablity is their kryptonite lol
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  26. Honestly, I think that all this hate for Cassie is really messy and toxic... The main message of the show is literally " we all make bad decision, but nonetheless we're able to improve ourself. We should be less judicious towards others and ourself". But most people apply this message on everyone but Cassie. We all know Cassie has her fair share of mistakes, but its so overlooked that Nate is a manipulative person, not just with Maddy. We should remember that Cassie was deeply depressed and fragile, she felt empty and lonely, i personally think that Nate took advantage of her vulnerability to forget his feelings. I cant understand how so many people underestimate his influence on Cassie while Maddy has INCRIMINATED an INNOCENT person only to protect Nate. Also, i found the Lesley's play down straight cruel and humiliating to Cassie, because for me it was done with no particular moral intent, but mostly with envy. This is pure slutshaming for me. I think that season 2 was too ipocrite with the initial message and i hate the way Cassie has been represented. The narrative is really too ambiguous with her, because it begans to make her look like a ridiculous villain instead of a more real and complex character. We have all forgive Rue, even though she had ruined her family's life, she used to be manipulative and a liar, because she was obviously hurt. And likewise happens with every other characters. So why people can't even try to empathize a little with what Cassie is going through? This seems kinda misogyny to me...ops
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  27.  @aliquida7132  I think the argument is too black and white. Either its all female voodoo or a girly with an apes bod. Women don't need muscle to be strong, but they need more than a body to be a good character. I think Arcane does a spectacular job at writing women who are people before their gender. For instance the punching Powerhouse Vi, who beats the shit out of people. She punches before she thinks, but thats not because she's an angry feminist... she grew up in an environment where you had to fight to survive. Plus, she was in charge of her ragtag siblings, prepped to be a leader by her adoptive father. The difference is that seducing people and then beating them up won't really work for the problems she faces. So, conditions effect character. Black windows tactic works with the conditions of a modern world, and kinda points out the flaws in the men she seduces rather than her seducing. The problem is that marvel is trying to appeal more to kids so they gotta water down characters a bit. She's a morally grey character and that's why she's cool. It's not about being more manly because men exist in different conditions. I think if we want to see a more human side to black window, they could maybe show how she feels about her tactic, make her get fed up and lash out because changing the character without confronting the conditioned behavior washes away the humanity.
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  28.  @loussis8584  The part about how actually relatable Cassie's behavior is to young girl's is true for some people. I've seen this behavior but also amongst grown-ups. I've done this myself to some degree but I could never loose myself for someone else. A bit like Maddy but not completely. Which is why I am so disappointed at Cassie but still gets her. And it's often because of this patriarchal society brainwashing everyone, with an uterus, to behave that way while at the same time shaming us for doing it too. Damn if you do, damn if you don't. And it does tells us, no matter what gender, to loose ourselves into this one person because that's true love. No that's what's called toxic monogamy.
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  29. Honestly, I think that all this hate for Cassie is really messy and toxic... The main message of the show is literally " we all make bad decision, but nonetheless we're able to improve ourself. We should be less judicious towards others and ourself". But most people apply this message on everyone but Cassie. We all know Cassie has her fair share of mistakes, but its so overlooked that Nate is a manipulative person, not just with Maddy. We should remember that Cassie was deeply depressed and fragile, she felt empty and lonely, i personally think that Nate took advantage of her vulnerability to forget his feelings. I cant understand how so many people underestimate his influence on Cassie while Maddy has INCRIMINATED an INNOCENT person only to protect Nate. Also, i found the Lesley's play down straight cruel and humiliating to Cassie, because for me it was done with no particular moral intent, but mostly with envy. This is pure slutshaming for me. I think that season 2 was too ipocrite with the initial message and i hate the way Cassie has been represented. The narrative is really too ambiguous with her, because it begans to make her look like a ridiculous villain instead of a more real and complex character. We have all forgive Rue, even though she had ruined her family's life, she used to be manipulative and a liar, because she was obviously hurt. And likewise happens with every other characters. So why people can't even try to empathize a little with what Cassie is going through? This seems kinda misogyny to me...ops
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  30.  @judeannethecandorchannel2153  We don't have to vindicate the Other Woman in an attempt to de-villainise her. The Other Woman is a complex figure, and that's a good thing! It can be interesting to delve into exactly why she feels compelled to go after a married man. She could be used to reflect the patriarchal impulse to be "superior" to another woman by catering to a man's desires, she could be used to deconstruct the notion that women are automatically self-sacrificing romantics and (*gasp!*) can be selfish; in short, privileging her perspective is an opportunity to represent a real, flawed human being. But let's not make her into an angel... because no one is. 'Waitress' offers a good example of the Other Woman as a nuanced figure. Dr Pommater is in a relatively happy marriage (from the little we see of his wife there is nothing abusive about her), yet he cheats with the film/musical's protagonist, Jenna. Jenna is in an abusive relationship and has been stifled by her man-child husband and aborted ambitions - and the affair is a meaningful way of reclaiming her agency. But both the film and the musical show Jenna agonising over the affair and her acceptance that it is hurtful to Dr Pommater's wife even if it helped Jenna fight back against her abuser and get through an unplanned pregnancy. And that's life - women are not manipulative one-dimensional femme fatales vying for a married man out of nothing but sadism, they are people who should not be villified even if they are not absolved.
    10
  31.  @Carolina-rd3gh  its funny that men always preach about holding women accountable for their actions, yet at the same time defending other men for their cheating behavior, saying things like" its in men nature to cheat, all men will cheat beacuse of urges, your husband will cheat on you , deal with it!" The same excuses women make to escape repsonsibilities. Oh the hypocrisy ! i realize from some of the comments here that, some men( not all) will never hold other men accountable, its like accountablity is their kryptonite lol
    9
  32.  @roguescorner9042  Some comments make me wonder what would they say if instead of a daughter, it was a son. Even this father, like, if he had a son who is a pronstar, would he be in this video? I've read a lot of people talking about how ashamed female pronstars should be, but when it comes to male, it's totally different, i've even seen people joking about how every men's dream job is to become a pronstar from age 13. Imo, both can be good or bad, of course, it is more common to have women being degraded in pron videos, even if it is a vanilla one, but i'm sure that there are bad sides for any gender. At least, there are people trying to change this scenario, maybe one day people will stop saying so many bad things about women who want to and work as pronstars, and just think that they chose this job, because they like it.
    9
  33. I love cassies character. Maybe I haven't seen a lot of movies but I haven't seen a lot of characters with mental problems depicted like she is. Like it's either the sweet anxious/depressed girl or the completely crazy one that's practically a joke. It's good to see a character who's spiralling deeper and deeper beyond help, hurting people around her, unable to break out of her habits even when she wants to. I've had depression too and been there, I want her to get better next season of course but it's sill kind of validating to watch? Weirdly enough. And I don't really mind the ppl who are angry with her, ppl aren't supposed to accommodate u just becuz you're mentally ill. U hv to clean up ur own shiet. And I like how even her family doesn't like her, like that's very real, you really can't expext anything when you're unstable. tbh
    9
  34. I think the argument is too black and white. Either its all female voodoo or a girly with an apes bod. Women don't need muscle to be strong, but they need more than a body to be a good character. I think Arcane does a spectacular job at writing women who are people before their gender. For instance the punching Powerhouse Vi, who beats the shit out of people. She punches before she thinks, but thats not because she's an angry feminist... she grew up in an environment where you had to fight to survive. Plus, she was in charge of her ragtag siblings, prepped to be a leader by her adoptive father. The difference is that seducing people and then beating them up won't really work for the problems she faces. So, conditions effect character. Black windows tactic works with the conditions of a modern world, and kinda points out the flaws in the men she seduces rather than her seducing. The problem is that marvel is trying to appeal more to kids so they gotta water down characters a bit. She's a morally grey character and that's why she's cool. It's not about being more manly because men exist in different conditions. I think if we want to see a more human side to black window, they could maybe show how she feels about her tactic, make her get fed up and lash out because changing the character without confronting the conditioned behavior washes away the humanity.
    9
  35. Some comments make me wonder what would they say if instead of a daughter, it was a son. Even this father, like, if he had a son who is a pronstar, would he be in this video? I've read a lot of people talking about how ashamed female pronstars should be, but when it comes to male, it's totally different, i've even seen people joking about how every men's dream job is to become a pronstar from age 13. Imo, both can be good or bad, of course, it is more common to have women being degraded in pron videos, even if it is a vanilla one, but i'm sure that there are bad sides for any gender. At least, there are people trying to change this scenario, maybe one day people will stop saying so many bad things about women who want to and work as pronstars, and just think that they chose this job, because they like it.
    9
  36.  @KitteniaSdlr  Honestly, I think that all this hate for Cassie is really messy and toxic... The main message of the show is literally " we all make bad decision, but nonetheless we're able to improve ourself. We should be less judicious towards others and ourself". But most people apply this message on everyone but Cassie. We all know Cassie has her fair share of mistakes, but its so overlooked that Nate is a manipulative person, not just with Maddy. We should remember that Cassie was deeply depressed and fragile, she felt empty and lonely, i personally think that Nate took advantage of her vulnerability to forget his feelings. I cant understand how so many people underestimate his influence on Cassie while Maddy has INCRIMINATED an INNOCENT person only to protect Nate. Also, i found the Lesley's play down straight cruel and humiliating to Cassie, because for me it was done with no particular moral intent, but mostly with envy. This is pure slutshaming for me. I think that season 2 was too ipocrite with the initial message and i hate the way Cassie has been represented. The narrative is really too ambiguous with her, because it begans to make her look like a ridiculous villain instead of a more real and complex character. We have all forgive Rue, even though she had ruined her family's life, she used to be manipulative and a liar, because she was obviously hurt. And likewise happens with every other characters. So why people can't even try to empathize a little with what Cassie is going through? This seems kinda misogyny to me...ops
    9
  37.  @alexdhamp  Some comments make me wonder what would they say if instead of a daughter, it was a son. Even this father, like, if he had a son who is a pronstar, would he be in this video? I've read a lot of people talking about how ashamed female pronstars should be, but when it comes to male, it's totally different, i've even seen people joking about how every men's dream job is to become a pronstar from age 13. Imo, both can be good or bad, of course, it is more common to have women being degraded in pron videos, even if it is a vanilla one, but i'm sure that there are bad sides for any gender. At least, there are people trying to change this scenario, maybe one day people will stop saying so many bad things about women who want to and work as pronstars, and just think that they chose this job, because they like it.
    9
  38. I don't want to excuse Cassie for what she did, but people seem to be so desensitized with Nate and think he's only doing what's expected of him that they end up forgetting that he's the biggest problem here. Realistically, I would react the same way Maddie did, because Cassie broke her trust and if someone you bonded with so much just broke your trust and got with your ex-ABUSIVE boyfriend, that would deeply hurt you, but Nate needs to take responsibility for his actions as well, not just Cassie. He ain't even facing any consequences despite being so much of a jack-ass. He only got beaten once meanwhile Cassie always needs to take blame even before this entire incident. Plus, people seem to forget about Cassie's passion for ice skating. Instead of making season 2 about her trying to find herself after all the heartbreak, regaining her love for ice skating and pursuing it. I know that putting her together with Nate creates more drama, making it more interesting to viewers and that's what they want, but it's also kinda demeaning to Cassie as a person. I'm being way too invested but like I'm just kinda sad, I wanted Cassie to grow but her world only fell apart, and yes she did questionable things in the past, I don't excuse any of her wrongdoings but the point is wanting to see her grow and since she's literally just a character so I believe they could have molded her differently. Also like someone said, her true love doesn't have to be a man, it could be anyone, it doesn't have to be romantic. As long as it helps her grow and uplifts her, helps her become a better person, then that's who you can consider her true love. It's so sad to see Maddie and Cassie pitted against each other; "Bitch you're my soulmate"😭😭😭
    8
  39.  @mewesquirrel6720  Honestly, I think that all this hate for Cassie is really messy and toxic... The main message of the show is literally " we all make bad decision, but nonetheless we're able to improve ourself. We should be less judicious towards others and ourself". But most people apply this message on everyone but Cassie. We all know Cassie has her fair share of mistakes, but its so overlooked that Nate is a manipulative person, not just with Maddy. We should remember that Cassie was deeply depressed and fragile, she felt empty and lonely, i personally think that Nate took advantage of her vulnerability to forget his feelings. I cant understand how so many people underestimate his influence on Cassie while Maddy has INCRIMINATED an INNOCENT person only to protect Nate. Also, i found the Lesley's play down straight cruel and humiliating to Cassie, because for me it was done with no particular moral intent, but mostly with envy. This is pure slutshaming for me. I think that season 2 was too ipocrite with the initial message and i hate the way Cassie has been represented. The narrative is really too ambiguous with her, because it begans to make her look like a ridiculous villain instead of a more real and complex character. We have all forgive Rue, even though she had ruined her family's life, she used to be manipulative and a liar, because she was obviously hurt. And likewise happens with every other characters. So why people can't even try to empathize a little with what Cassie is going through? This seems kinda misogyny to me...ops
    8
  40.  @AnaPerezGP92  The thing here is that both Cassie and Maddy are desperate for male approval. They both have poor female role models in their life, which leads them to believe that a female can only achieve happiness through a man. Mady portrays reckless behavior, Nate knows how to trigger her and she always gives in. They are simply different versions of insecurities in a female. However, men have them too, girls are just more vocal about it.
    8
  41. i would rather see quality marriages, and less of them, than people forcing themselves to be married and then living in misery.
    7
  42. Honestly, I think that all this hate for Cassie is really messy and toxic... The main message of the show is literally " we all make bad decision, but nonetheless we're able to improve ourself. We should be less judicious towards others and ourself". But most people apply this message on everyone but Cassie. We all know Cassie has her fair share of mistakes, but its so overlooked that Nate is a manipulative person, not just with Maddy. We should remember that Cassie was deeply depressed and fragile, she felt empty and lonely, i personally think that Nate took advantage of her vulnerability to forget his feelings. I cant understand how so many people underestimate his influence on Cassie while Maddy has INCRIMINATED an INNOCENT person only to protect Nate. Also, i found the Lesley's play down straight cruel and humiliating to Cassie, because for me it was done with no particular moral intent, but mostly with envy. This is pure slutshaming for me. I think that season 2 was too ipocrite with the initial message and i hate the way Cassie has been represented. The narrative is really too ambiguous with her, because it begans to make her look like a ridiculous villain instead of a more real and complex character. We have all forgive Rue, even though she had ruined her family's life, she used to be manipulative and a liar, because she was obviously hurt. And likewise happens with every other characters. So why people can't even try to empathize a little with what Cassie is going through? This seems kinda misogyny to me...ops
    7
  43.  @hatethisupdate  Honestly, I think that all this hate for Cassie is really messy and toxic... The main message of the show is literally " we all make bad decision, but nonetheless we're able to improve ourself. We should be less judicious towards others and ourself". But most people apply this message on everyone but Cassie. We all know Cassie has her fair share of mistakes, but its so overlooked that Nate is a manipulative person, not just with Maddy. We should remember that Cassie was deeply depressed and fragile, she felt empty and lonely, i personally think that Nate took advantage of her vulnerability to forget his feelings. I cant understand how so many people underestimate his influence on Cassie while Maddy has INCRIMINATED an INNOCENT person only to protect Nate. Also, i found the Lesley's play down straight cruel and humiliating to Cassie, because for me it was done with no particular moral intent, but mostly with envy. This is pure slutshaming for me. I think that season 2 was too ipocrite with the initial message and i hate the way Cassie has been represented. The narrative is really too ambiguous with her, because it begans to make her look like a ridiculous villain instead of a more real and complex character. We have all forgive Rue, even though she had ruined her family's life, she used to be manipulative and a liar, because she was obviously hurt. And likewise happens with every other characters. So why people can't even try to empathize a little with what Cassie is going through? This seems kinda misogyny to me...ops
    6
  44.  @jesin0005  Some comments make me wonder what would they say if instead of a daughter, it was a son. Even this father, like, if he had a son who is a pronstar, would he be in this video? I've read a lot of people talking about how ashamed female pronstars should be, but when it comes to male, it's totally different, i've even seen people joking about how every men's dream job is to become a pronstar from age 13. Imo, both can be good or bad, of course, it is more common to have women being degraded in pron videos, even if it is a vanilla one, but i'm sure that there are bad sides for any gender. At least, there are people trying to change this scenario, maybe one day people will stop saying so many bad things about women who want to and work as pronstars, and just think that they chose this job, because they like it.
    6
  45.  @trinaq  Honestly, I think that all this hate for Cassie is really messy and toxic... The main message of the show is literally " we all make bad decision, but nonetheless we're able to improve ourself. We should be less judicious towards others and ourself". But most people apply this message on everyone but Cassie. We all know Cassie has her fair share of mistakes, but its so overlooked that Nate is a manipulative person, not just with Maddy. We should remember that Cassie was deeply depressed and fragile, she felt empty and lonely, i personally think that Nate took advantage of her vulnerability to forget his feelings. I cant understand how so many people underestimate his influence on Cassie while Maddy has INCRIMINATED an INNOCENT person only to protect Nate. Also, i found the Lesley's play down straight cruel and humiliating to Cassie, because for me it was done with no particular moral intent, but mostly with envy. This is pure slutshaming for me. I think that season 2 was too ipocrite with the initial message and i hate the way Cassie has been represented. The narrative is really too ambiguous with her, because it begans to make her look like a ridiculous villain instead of a more real and complex character. We have all forgive Rue, even though she had ruined her family's life, she used to be manipulative and a liar, because she was obviously hurt. And likewise happens with every other characters. So why people can't even try to empathize a little with what Cassie is going through? This seems kinda misogyny to me...ops
    6
  46. Some comments make me wonder what would they say if instead of a daughter, it was a son. Even this father, like, if he had a son who is a pronstar, would he be in this video? I've read a lot of people talking about how ashamed female pronstars should be, but when it comes to male, it's totally different, i've even seen people joking about how every men's dream job is to become a pronstar from age 13. Imo, both can be good or bad, of course, it is more common to have women being degraded in pron videos, even if it is a vanilla one, but i'm sure that there are bad sides for any gender. At least, there are people trying to change this scenario, maybe one day people will stop saying so many bad things about women who want to and work as pronstars, and just think that they chose this job, because they like it.
    6
  47.  @MercyStudyCafé  Some comments make me wonder what would they say if instead of a daughter, it was a son. Even this father, like, if he had a son who is a pronstar, would he be in this video? I've read a lot of people talking about how ashamed female pronstars should be, but when it comes to male, it's totally different, i've even seen people joking about how every men's dream job is to become a pronstar from age 13. Imo, both can be good or bad, of course, it is more common to have women being degraded in pron videos, even if it is a vanilla one, but i'm sure that there are bad sides for any gender. At least, there are people trying to change this scenario, maybe one day people will stop saying so many bad things about women who want to and work as pronstars, and just think that they chose this job, because they like it.
    6
  48.  @allusiveallure656  i know right, its funny that men always preach about holding women accountable for their actions, yet at the same time defending other men for their cheating behavior, saying things like" its in men nature to cheat, all men will cheat beacuse of urges, your husband will cheat on you , deal with it!" The same excuses women make to escape repsonsibilities. Oh the hypocrisy ! i realize from some of the comments here that, some men( not all) will never hold other men accountable, its like accountablity is their kryptonite lol
    5
  49. Honestly, I think that all this hate for Cassie is really messy and toxic... The main message of the show is literally " we all make bad decision, but nonetheless we're able to improve ourself. We should be less judicious towards others and ourself". But most people apply this message on everyone but Cassie. We all know Cassie has her fair share of mistakes, but its so overlooked that Nate is a manipulative person, not just with Maddy. We should remember that Cassie was deeply depressed and fragile, she felt empty and lonely, i personally think that Nate took advantage of her vulnerability to forget his feelings. I cant understand how so many people underestimate his influence on Cassie while Maddy has INCRIMINATED an INNOCENT person only to protect Nate. Also, i found the Lesley's play down straight cruel and humiliating to Cassie, because for me it was done with no particular moral intent, but mostly with envy. This is pure slutshaming for me. I think that season 2 was too ipocrite with the initial message and i hate the way Cassie has been represented. The narrative is really too ambiguous with her, because it begans to make her look like a ridiculous villain instead of a more real and complex character. We have all forgive Rue, even though she had ruined her family's life, she used to be manipulative and a liar, because she was obviously hurt. And likewise happens with every other characters. So why people can't even try to empathize a little with what Cassie is going through? This seems kinda misogyny to me...ops
    5
  50. Honestly, I think that all this hate for Cassie is really messy and toxic... The main message of the show is literally " we all make bad decision, but nonetheless we're able to improve ourself. We should be less judicious towards others and ourself". But most people apply this message on everyone but Cassie. We all know Cassie has her fair share of mistakes, but its so overlooked that Nate is a manipulative person, not just with Maddy. We should remember that Cassie was deeply depressed and fragile, she felt empty and lonely, i personally think that Nate took advantage of her vulnerability to forget his feelings. I cant understand how so many people underestimate his influence on Cassie while Maddy has INCRIMINATED an INNOCENT person only to protect Nate. Also, i found the Lesley's play down straight cruel and humiliating to Cassie, because for me it was done with no particular moral intent, but mostly with envy. This is pure slutshaming for me. I think that season 2 was too ipocrite with the initial message and i hate the way Cassie has been represented. The narrative is really too ambiguous with her, because it begans to make her look like a ridiculous villain instead of a more real and complex character. We have all forgive Rue, even though she had ruined her family's life, she used to be manipulative and a liar, because she was obviously hurt. And likewise happens with every other characters. So why people can't even try to empathize a little with what Cassie is going through? This seems kinda misogyny to me...ops
    5
  51.  @strideytidey8665  Sweet Baby is, at its core, a narrative development company. That means anything from script writing to narrative design to narrative direction, to story reviews. One of the things that they do offer is cultural consultations or authenticity consultations. That generally means that they might be asked to look at a story if there’s a character in it who is marginalized in certain way, and the studio wants Sweet Baby Inc to connect them with a consultant who can bring a little bit of authenticity…But the perspective is never that the company coming in and injecting diversity. Sweet Baby inc had no final say on the end results of the product.
    5
  52. I agree with this 100%
    5
  53.  @ahanaroychoudhuri  I don't want to excuse Cassie for what she did, but people seem to be so desensitized with Nate and think he's only doing what's expected of him that they end up forgetting that he's the biggest problem here. Realistically, I would react the same way Maddie did, because Cassie broke her trust and if someone you bonded with so much just broke your trust and got with your ex-ABUSIVE boyfriend, that would deeply hurt you, but Nate needs to take responsibility for his actions as well, not just Cassie. He ain't even facing any consequences despite being so much of a jack-ass. He only got beaten once meanwhile Cassie always needs to take blame even before this entire incident. Plus, people seem to forget about Cassie's passion for ice skating. Instead of making season 2 about her trying to find herself after all the heartbreak, regaining her love for ice skating and pursuing it. I know that putting her together with Nate creates more drama, making it more interesting to viewers and that's what they want, but it's also kinda demeaning to Cassie as a person. I'm being way too invested but like I'm just kinda sad, I wanted Cassie to grow but her world only fell apart, and yes she did questionable things in the past, I don't excuse any of her wrongdoings but the point is wanting to see her grow and since she's literally just a character so I believe they could have molded her differently. Also like someone said, her true love doesn't have to be a man, it could be anyone, it doesn't have to be romantic. As long as it helps her grow and uplifts her, helps her become a better person, then that's who you can consider her true love. It's so sad to see Maddie and Cassie pitted against each other; "Bitch you're my soulmate"😭😭😭
    5
  54. Let me go against the grain here with regards to the popular opinion in the comment section. There is nothing degrading about being a sex worker, sex work does not make you a lesser person or less educated and while you might end up being on the internet forever, as long as society doesn't judge you, that shouldn't be a big deal. Would I want my child (daughter OR SON) doing this stuff? No. Why? I don't trust some of the higher ups in these industries. Some of these people are shady and treat women particularly like crap. But that could improve and has made significant progress as more women started to take control. My second main reason is the misogyny my daughter would face by both men AND women (including Feminists) for simply recording and distributing something that most people do. Some of these women, maybe not in Japan but in America and Europe, make ridiculous amounts of money by simply showing the physical intimacy I their monogamous relationship between themselves and their partner. They're doing the same things they'd do, just recording and distributing it for tens of thousands to hundreds of thousands of dollars. Why does this affect them with regards to how they are perceived? Why should this affect them with regards to getting a job or running for office? How are they inherently bad people because they filmed themselves f*ck?
    5
  55.  @nunupon1359  Some comments make me wonder what would they say if instead of a daughter, it was a son. Even this father, like, if he had a son who is a pronstar, would he be in this video? I've read a lot of people talking about how ashamed female pronstars should be, but when it comes to male, it's totally different, i've even seen people joking about how every men's dream job is to become a pronstar from age 13. Imo, both can be good or bad, of course, it is more common to have women being degraded in pron videos, even if it is a vanilla one, but i'm sure that there are bad sides for any gender. At least, there are people trying to change this scenario, maybe one day people will stop saying so many bad things about women who want to and work as pronstars, and just think that they chose this job, because they like it.
    5
  56.  @stephanieharness3049  unfortunately it wont be the last lol
    4
  57. Honestly, I think that all this hate for Cassie is really messy and toxic... The main message of the show is literally " we all make bad decision, but nonetheless we're able to improve ourself. We should be less judicious towards others and ourself". But most people apply this message on everyone but Cassie. We all know Cassie has her fair share of mistakes, but its so overlooked that Nate is a manipulative person, not just with Maddy. We should remember that Cassie was deeply depressed and fragile, she felt empty and lonely, i personally think that Nate took advantage of her vulnerability to forget his feelings. I cant understand how so many people underestimate his influence on Cassie while Maddy has INCRIMINATED an INNOCENT person only to protect Nate. Also, i found the Lesley's play down straight cruel and humiliating to Cassie, because for me it was done with no particular moral intent, but mostly with envy. This is pure slutshaming for me. I think that season 2 was too ipocrite with the initial message and i hate the way Cassie has been represented. The narrative is really too ambiguous with her, because it begans to make her look like a ridiculous villain instead of a more real and complex character. We have all forgive Rue, even though she had ruined her family's life, she used to be manipulative and a liar, because she was obviously hurt. And likewise happens with every other characters. So why people can't even try to empathize a little with what Cassie is going through? This seems kinda misogyny to me...ops
    4
  58. I love cassies character. Maybe I haven't seen a lot of movies but I haven't seen a lot of characters with mental problems depicted like she is. Like it's either the sweet anxious/depressed girl or the completely crazy one that's practically a joke. It's good to see a character who's spiralling deeper and deeper beyond help, hurting people around her, unable to break out of her habits even when she wants to. I've had depression too and been there, I want her to get better next season of course but it's sill kind of validating to watch? Weirdly enough. And I don't really mind the ppl who are angry with her, ppl aren't supposed to accommodate u just becuz you're mentally ill. U hv to clean up ur own shiet. And I like how even her family doesn't like her, like that's very real, you really can't expext anything when you're unstable.
    4
  59.  @BenJaminLongTime  I think what this analysis is missing is the impact having only one woman on screen in these movies has. One girl with one archetype and personality and appearance and that comes to fill the spot for every female, and she cant fit every role. If there were more female characters on screen that have a variety of fighting styles (DONE WELL) i think itd be more satisfying for everyone. Nothing wrong with Scar Jo being a sexy fem fatal type, it looks cool, but making that the only representation doesnt work well for everyone. Spiderman and thor dont have the same appeal you know
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  60. i agree with this 100%
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  61. Honestly, I think that all this hate for Cassie is really messy and toxic... The main message of the show is literally " we all make bad decision, but nonetheless we're able to improve ourself. We should be less judicious towards others and ourself". But most people apply this message on everyone but Cassie. We all know Cassie has her fair share of mistakes, but its so overlooked that Nate is a manipulative person, not just with Maddy. We should remember that Cassie was deeply depressed and fragile, she felt empty and lonely, i personally think that Nate took advantage of her vulnerability to forget his feelings. I cant understand how so many people underestimate his influence on Cassie while Maddy has INCRIMINATED an INNOCENT person only to protect Nate. Also, i found the Lesley's play down straight cruel and humiliating to Cassie, because for me it was done with no particular moral intent, but mostly with envy. This is pure slutshaming for me. I think that season 2 was too ipocrite with the initial message and i hate the way Cassie has been represented. The narrative is really too ambiguous with her, because it begans to make her look like a ridiculous villain instead of a more real and complex character. We have all forgive Rue, even though she had ruined her family's life, she used to be manipulative and a liar, because she was obviously hurt. And likewise happens with every other characters. So why people can't even try to empathize a little with what Cassie is going through? This seems kinda misogyny to me...ops
    4
  62. Some comments make me wonder what would they say if instead of a daughter, it was a son. Even this father, like, if he had a son who is a pronstar, would he be in this video? I've read a lot of people talking about how ashamed female pronstars should be, but when it comes to male, it's totally different, i've even seen people joking about how every men's dream job is to become a pronstar from age 13. Imo, both can be good or bad, of course, it is more common to have women being degraded in pron videos, even if it is a vanilla one, but i'm sure that there are bad sides for any gender. At least, there are people trying to change this scenario, maybe one day people will stop saying so many bad things about women who want to and work as pronstars, and just think that they chose this job, because they like it.
    4
  63.  @elizabethbrooks2003  Some comments make me wonder what would they say if instead of a daughter, it was a son. Even this father, like, if he had a son who is a pronstar, would he be in this video? I've read a lot of people talking about how ashamed female pronstars should be, but when it comes to male, it's totally different, i've even seen people joking about how every men's dream job is to become a pronstar from age 13. Imo, both can be good or bad, of course, it is more common to have women being degraded in pron videos, even if it is a vanilla one, but i'm sure that there are bad sides for any gender. At least, there are people trying to change this scenario, maybe one day people will stop saying so many bad things about women who want to and work as pronstars, and just think that they chose this job, because they like it.
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  64. ​ @strideytidey8665  I love Mutahar, but this video is an big fat L from him tbh.
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  65. I grew up around addiction, and experience my own, so Rue is a very relatable character for me. That being said, I started developing in fourth grade. I understand Cassie so well, because one day people just stopped treating me like a kid. They just commented on my physical appearance and made suggestive comments. I was never mad at her… I just felt so bad for her. Her routine of getting up early to beautify for Nate was tragic enough, without him ignoring her every single time. She’s not a bad person, but she doesn’t know how to be of value any other way because nobody gave her the chance. People don’t tell her she’s kind, or smart, or funny… they talk about her looks. I couldn’t be a teenager today
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  66. I love cassies character. Maybe I haven't seen a lot of movies but I haven't seen a lot of characters with mental problems depicted like she is. Like it's either the sweet anxious/depressed girl or the completely crazy one that's practically a joke. It's good to see a character who's spiralling deeper and deeper beyond help, hurting people around her, unable to break out of her habits even when she wants to. I've had depression too and been there, I want her to get better next season of course but it's sill kind of validating to watch? Weirdly enough. And I don't really mind the ppl who are angry with her, ppl aren't supposed to accommodate u just becuz you're mentally ill. U hv to clean up ur own shiet. And I like how even her family doesn't like her, like that's very real, you really can't expect anything when you're unstable. tbh
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  67. Honestly, I think that all this hate for Cassie is really messy and toxic... The main message of the show is literally " we all make bad decision, but nonetheless we're able to improve ourself. We should be less judicious towards others and ourself". But most people apply this message on everyone but Cassie. We all know Cassie has her fair share of mistakes, but its so overlooked that Nate is a manipulative person, not just with Maddy. We should remember that Cassie was deeply depressed and fragile, she felt empty and lonely, i personally think that Nate took advantage of her vulnerability to forget his feelings. I cant understand how so many people underestimate his influence on Cassie while Maddy has INCRIMINATED an INNOCENT person only to protect Nate. Also, i found the Lesley's play down straight cruel and humiliating to Cassie, because for me it was done with no particular moral intent, but mostly with envy. This is pure slutshaming for me. I think that season 2 was too ipocrite with the initial message and i hate the way Cassie has been represented. The narrative is really too ambiguous with her, because it begans to make her look like a ridiculous villain instead of a more real and complex character. We have all forgive Rue, even though she had ruined her family's life, she used to be manipulative and a liar, because she was obviously hurt. And likewise happens with every other characters. So why people can't even try to empathize a little with what Cassie is going through? This seems kinda misogyny to me...ops
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  68.  @alexarias5717  i know, right ?
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  69.  @trash0175  Some comments make me wonder what would they say if instead of a daughter, it was a son. Even this father, like, if he had a son who is a pronstar, would he be in this video? I've read a lot of people talking about how ashamed female pronstars should be, but when it comes to male, it's totally different, i've even seen people joking about how every men's dream job is to become a pronstar from age 13. Imo, both can be good or bad, of course, it is more common to have women being degraded in pron videos, even if it is a vanilla one, but i'm sure that there are bad sides for any gender. At least, there are people trying to change this scenario, maybe one day people will stop saying so many bad things about women who want to and work as pronstars, and just think that they chose this job, because they like it.
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  70.  @mmmmyeah1849  Some comments make me wonder what would they say if instead of a daughter, it was a son. Even this father, like, if he had a son who is a pronstar, would he be in this video? I've read a lot of people talking about how ashamed female pronstars should be, but when it comes to male, it's totally different, i've even seen people joking about how every men's dream job is to become a pronstar from age 13. Imo, both can be good or bad, of course, it is more common to have women being degraded in pron videos, even if it is a vanilla one, but i'm sure that there are bad sides for any gender. At least, there are people trying to change this scenario, maybe one day people will stop saying so many bad things about women who want to and work as pronstars, and just think that they chose this job, because they like it.
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  71.  @LogicalMuzikmixer  First study (By Family Studies): shows a drop from 73% to about 65% if you have 2 other partners prior to marriage, but then essentially stays at that level through up to 10 previous partners. But what does that prove since the vast majority of men AND women in western society have had sex with multiple partners by the time they married AND marriages NOW are taking place much later. So, did this study control for the age of the women? Did the study control for religiosity since women marrying with no previous sex partners may have had arranged marriages. I'm not convinced at all (from the graph alone) that the study methodology is convincing that there is a difference between no pre-marital partners and TEN pre-marital partners. :). Looking at the second study (Family Study; 5 year prediction of divorce by number of people spouses slept with prior to marriage). I'm in the biz of sociology/psychology so am reasonably familiar with research. I don't have the actual study in front of me, but the graph alone is problematic. Notice how you go from 5% chance of divorce if 0 previous partners jumping to 20% if 1 previous partner, then 30% if 2 previous partners, but then after that, an actual drop off to 25% if you've had 10 or more partners pre-marriage! So if pre-marital sex with others is a factor there should be a consistent rise on the x/y axes (if 1-2 makes a difference, then even more should make more difference). But that's not shown here, so I'm not convinced that this study has proven anything.
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  72. I agree with this 100%❤.
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  73. I certainly found being single makes me happier as a person, thats not to say i'm shaming women who want to get marry. Being single has its pros and cons, but i'm just content with the way i live, and thats what peole should try to be tbh😊
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  74.  @lilil9752  Honestly, I think that all this hate for Cassie is really messy and toxic... The main message of the show is literally " we all make bad decision, but nonetheless we're able to improve ourself. We should be less judicious towards others and ourself". But most people apply this message on everyone but Cassie. We all know Cassie has her fair share of mistakes, but its so overlooked that Nate is a manipulative person, not just with Maddy. We should remember that Cassie was deeply depressed and fragile, she felt empty and lonely, i personally think that Nate took advantage of her vulnerability to forget his feelings. I cant understand how so many people underestimate his influence on Cassie while Maddy has INCRIMINATED an INNOCENT person only to protect Nate. Also, i found the Lesley's play down straight cruel and humiliating to Cassie, because for me it was done with no particular moral intent, but mostly with envy. This is pure slutshaming for me. I think that season 2 was too ipocrite with the initial message and i hate the way Cassie has been represented. The narrative is really too ambiguous with her, because it begans to make her look like a ridiculous villain instead of a more real and complex character. We have all forgive Rue, even though she had ruined her family's life, she used to be manipulative and a liar, because she was obviously hurt. And likewise happens with every other characters. So why people can't even try to empathize a little with what Cassie is going through? This seems kinda misogyny to me...ops
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  75.  @Em-bi7tn  Honestly, I think that all this hate for Cassie is really messy and toxic... The main message of the show is literally " we all make bad decision, but nonetheless we're able to improve ourself. We should be less judicious towards others and ourself". But most people apply this message on everyone but Cassie. We all know Cassie has her fair share of mistakes, but its so overlooked that Nate is a manipulative person, not just with Maddy. We should remember that Cassie was deeply depressed and fragile, she felt empty and lonely, i personally think that Nate took advantage of her vulnerability to forget his feelings. I cant understand how so many people underestimate his influence on Cassie while Maddy has INCRIMINATED an INNOCENT person only to protect Nate. Also, i found the Lesley's play down straight cruel and humiliating to Cassie, because for me it was done with no particular moral intent, but mostly with envy. This is pure slutshaming for me. I think that season 2 was too ipocrite with the initial message and i hate the way Cassie has been represented. The narrative is really too ambiguous with her, because it begans to make her look like a ridiculous villain instead of a more real and complex character. We have all forgive Rue, even though she had ruined her family's life, she used to be manipulative and a liar, because she was obviously hurt. And likewise happens with every other characters. So why people can't even try to empathize a little with what Cassie is going through? This seems kinda misogyny to me...ops
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  76.  @LowSlungBadBitch  Honestly, I think that all this hate for Cassie is really messy and toxic... The main message of the show is literally " we all make bad decision, but nonetheless we're able to improve ourself. We should be less judicious towards others and ourself". But most people apply this message on everyone but Cassie. We all know Cassie has her fair share of mistakes, but its so overlooked that Nate is a manipulative person, not just with Maddy. We should remember that Cassie was deeply depressed and fragile, she felt empty and lonely, i personally think that Nate took advantage of her vulnerability to forget his feelings. I cant understand how so many people underestimate his influence on Cassie while Maddy has INCRIMINATED an INNOCENT person only to protect Nate. Also, i found the Lesley's play down straight cruel and humiliating to Cassie, because for me it was done with no particular moral intent, but mostly with envy. This is pure slutshaming for me. I think that season 2 was too ipocrite with the initial message and i hate the way Cassie has been represented. The narrative is really too ambiguous with her, because it begans to make her look like a ridiculous villain instead of a more real and complex character. We have all forgive Rue, even though she had ruined her family's life, she used to be manipulative and a liar, because she was obviously hurt. And likewise happens with every other characters. So why people can't even try to empathize a little with what Cassie is going through? This seems kinda misogyny to me...ops
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  77.  @queenbee3561  Honestly, I think that all this hate for Cassie is really messy and toxic... The main message of the show is literally " we all make bad decision, but nonetheless we're able to improve ourself. We should be less judicious towards others and ourself". But most people apply this message on everyone but Cassie. We all know Cassie has her fair share of mistakes, but its so overlooked that Nate is a manipulative person, not just with Maddy. We should remember that Cassie was deeply depressed and fragile, she felt empty and lonely, i personally think that Nate took advantage of her vulnerability to forget his feelings. I cant understand how so many people underestimate his influence on Cassie while Maddy has INCRIMINATED an INNOCENT person only to protect Nate. Also, i found the Lesley's play down straight cruel and humiliating to Cassie, because for me it was done with no particular moral intent, but mostly with envy. This is pure slutshaming for me. I think that season 2 was too ipocrite with the initial message and i hate the way Cassie has been represented. The narrative is really too ambiguous with her, because it begans to make her look like a ridiculous villain instead of a more real and complex character. We have all forgive Rue, even though she had ruined her family's life, she used to be manipulative and a liar, because she was obviously hurt. And likewise happens with every other characters. So why people can't even try to empathize a little with what Cassie is going through? This seems kinda misogyny to me...ops
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  78.  @Carolina-rd3gh  he was caught trying to cheat. Which is equaly bad, maybe even worse :) because he tried, and failed :)
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  79.  @allusiveallure656  EXACTLY, i just thought of it when i was typing lol, seems fitting ya know, its also kryptonite to some women as well ngl
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  80. I think what this analysis is missing is the impact having only one woman on screen in these movies has. One girl with one archetype and personality and appearance and that comes to fill the spot for every female, and she cant fit every role. If there were more female characters on screen that have a variety of fighting styles (DONE WELL) i think itd be more satisfying for everyone. Nothing wrong with Scar Jo being a sexy fem fatal type, it looks cool, but making that the only representation doesnt work well for everyone. Spiderman and thor dont have the same appeal you know
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  81. Honestly, I think that all this hate for Cassie is really messy and toxic... The main message of the show is literally " we all make bad decision, but nonetheless we're able to improve ourself. We should be less judicious towards others and ourself". But most people apply this message on everyone but Cassie. We all know Cassie has her fair share of mistakes, but its so overlooked that Nate is a manipulative person, not just with Maddy. We should remember that Cassie was deeply depressed and fragile, she felt empty and lonely, i personally think that Nate took advantage of her vulnerability to forget his feelings. I cant understand how so many people underestimate his influence on Cassie while Maddy has INCRIMINATED an INNOCENT person only to protect Nate. Also, i found the Lesley's play down straight cruel and humiliating to Cassie, because for me it was done with no particular moral intent, but mostly with envy. This is pure slutshaming for me. I think that season 2 was too ipocrite with the initial message and i hate the way Cassie has been represented. The narrative is really too ambiguous with her, because it begans to make her look like a ridiculous villain instead of a more real and complex character. We have all forgive Rue, even though she had ruined her family's life, she used to be manipulative and a liar, because she was obviously hurt. And likewise happens with every other characters. So why people can't even try to empathize a little with what Cassie is going through? This seems kinda misogyny to me...ops
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  82. I love cassies character. Maybe I haven't seen a lot of movies but I haven't seen a lot of characters with mental problems depicted like she is. Like it's either the sweet anxious/depressed girl or the completely crazy one that's practically a joke. It's good to see a character who's spiralling deeper and deeper beyond help, hurting people around her, unable to break out of her habits even when she wants to. I've had depression too and been there, I want her to get better next season of course but it's sill kind of validating to watch? Weirdly enough. And I don't really mind the ppl who are angry with her, ppl aren't supposed to accommodate u just becuz you're mentally ill. U hv to clean up ur own shiet. And I like how even her family doesn't like her, like that's very real, you really can't expext anything when you're unstable. tbh
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  83.  @nicole-qe7br  Honestly, I think that all this hate for Cassie is really messy and toxic... The main message of the show is literally " we all make bad decision, but nonetheless we're able to improve ourself. We should be less judicious towards others and ourself". But most people apply this message on everyone but Cassie. We all know Cassie has her fair share of mistakes, but its so overlooked that Nate is a manipulative person, not just with Maddy. We should remember that Cassie was deeply depressed and fragile, she felt empty and lonely, i personally think that Nate took advantage of her vulnerability to forget his feelings. I cant understand how so many people underestimate his influence on Cassie while Maddy has INCRIMINATED an INNOCENT person only to protect Nate. Also, i found the Lesley's play down straight cruel and humiliating to Cassie, because for me it was done with no particular moral intent, but mostly with envy. This is pure slutshaming for me. I think that season 2 was too ipocrite with the initial message and i hate the way Cassie has been represented. The narrative is really too ambiguous with her, because it begans to make her look like a ridiculous villain instead of a more real and complex character. We have all forgive Rue, even though she had ruined her family's life, she used to be manipulative and a liar, because she was obviously hurt. And likewise happens with every other characters. So why people can't even try to empathize a little with what Cassie is going through? This seems kinda misogyny to me...ops
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  84. I agree with this 100%
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  85.  @regines7486  Some comments make me wonder what would they say if instead of a daughter, it was a son. Even this father, like, if he had a son who is a pronstar, would he be in this video? I've read a lot of people talking about how ashamed female pronstars should be, but when it comes to male, it's totally different, i've even seen people joking about how every men's dream job is to become a pronstar from age 13. Imo, both can be good or bad, of course, it is more common to have women being degraded in pron videos, even if it is a vanilla one, but i'm sure that there are bad sides for any gender. At least, there are people trying to change this scenario, maybe one day people will stop saying so many bad things about women who want to and work as pronstars, and just think that they chose this job, because they like it.
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  86. For me its the High-pitched noises that are THE most distracting and annoying shit ever. Everytime i hear that over-the-top shit, i want to bust my eardrums. Its not funny, its just insufferable
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  87.  @otakumangastudios3617  Idk what to think of this comment section, there’s so many very well thought out and argued points and analysis, but also so much ”Yeah scarjo’s an idiot, women have to be sexual what else do they got. Juicy milkers are great, I need to see them or I become disinterested!😤” Which just drives me nuts. The video itself, I can’t tell which side it’s on, it’s decently argued but also feels a bit simplistic and bit too stuck to pretty dusty and old ideas about women and men. Also I think it’s maybe a bit unfair to judge her for taking on sexy roles in the past, times are changing, those types of roles were maybe something she thought she just had to do, no option, to become an actor or to further her career. We don’t know is she was comfortable with Hollywood profiling her that way or not. But yeah I’m kind of sad if his opinion is that women have to be sensual and men have to be strong brutes for a movie to work. Playing around with traits just needs to be done well. On the other hand I agree that in order for a female character to be intimidating or strong doesn’t mean femininity needs to, or should be erased.
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  88.  @leftdreamer6881  Some comments make me wonder what would they say if instead of a daughter, it was a son. Even this father, like, if he had a son who is a pronstar, would he be in this video? I've read a lot of people talking about how ashamed female pronstars should be, but when it comes to male, it's totally different, i've even seen people joking about how every men's dream job is to become a pronstar from age 13. Imo, both can be good or bad, of course, it is more common to have women being degraded in pron videos, even if it is a vanilla one, but i'm sure that there are bad sides for any gender. At least, there are people trying to change this scenario, maybe one day people will stop saying so many bad things about women who want to and work as pronstars, and just think that they chose this job, because they like it.
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  89. We don't have to vindicate the Other Woman in an attempt to de-villainise her. The Other Woman is a complex figure, and that's a good thing! It can be interesting to delve into exactly why she feels compelled to go after a married man. She could be used to reflect the patriarchal impulse to be "superior" to another woman by catering to a man's desires, she could be used to deconstruct the notion that women are automatically self-sacrificing romantics and (*gasp!*) can be selfish; in short, privileging her perspective is an opportunity to represent a real, flawed human being. But let's not make her into an angel... because no one is. 'Waitress' offers a good example of the Other Woman as a nuanced figure. Dr Pommater is in a relatively happy marriage (from the little we see of his wife there is nothing abusive about her), yet he cheats with the film/musical's protagonist, Jenna. Jenna is in an abusive relationship and has been stifled by her man-child husband and aborted ambitions - and the affair is a meaningful way of reclaiming her agency. But both the film and the musical show Jenna agonising over the affair and her acceptance that it is hurtful to Dr Pommater's wife even if it helped Jenna fight back against her abuser and get through an unplanned pregnancy. And that's life - women are not manipulative one-dimensional femme fatales vying for a married man out of nothing but sadism, they are people who should not be villified even if they are not absolved.
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  90. Honestly, I think that all this hate for Cassie is really messy and toxic... The main message of the show is literally " we all make bad decision, but nonetheless we're able to improve ourself. We should be less judicious towards others and ourself". But most people apply this message on everyone but Cassie. We all know Cassie has her fair share of mistakes, but its so overlooked that Nate is a manipulative person, not just with Maddy. We should remember that Cassie was deeply depressed and fragile, she felt empty and lonely, i personally think that Nate took advantage of her vulnerability to forget his feelings. I cant understand how so many people underestimate his influence on Cassie while Maddy has INCRIMINATED an INNOCENT person only to protect Nate. Also, i found the Lesley's play down straight cruel and humiliating to Cassie, because for me it was done with no particular moral intent, but mostly with envy. This is pure slutshaming for me. I think that season 2 was too ipocrite with the initial message and i hate the way Cassie has been represented. The narrative is really too ambiguous with her, because it begans to make her look like a ridiculous villain instead of a more real and complex character. We have all forgive Rue, even though she had ruined her family's life, she used to be manipulative and a liar, because she was obviously hurt. And likewise happens with every other characters. So why people can't even try to empathize a little with what Cassie is going through? This seems kinda misogyny to me...ops
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  91. Some comments make me wonder what would they say if instead of a daughter, it was a son. Even this father, like, if he had a son who is a pronstar, would he be in this video? I've read a lot of people talking about how ashamed female pronstars should be, but when it comes to male, it's totally different, i've even seen people joking about how every men's dream job is to become a pronstar from age 13. Imo, both can be good or bad, of course, it is more common to have women being degraded in pron videos, even if it is a vanilla one, but i'm sure that there are bad sides for any gender. At least, there are people trying to change this scenario, maybe one day people will stop saying so many bad things about women who want to and work as pronstars, and just think that they chose this job, because they like it.
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  92. Honestly, I think that all this hate for Cassie is really messy and toxic... The main message of the show is literally " we all make bad decision, but nonetheless we're able to improve ourself. We should be less judicious towards others and ourself". But most people apply this message on everyone but Cassie. We all know Cassie has her fair share of mistakes, but its so overlooked that Nate is a manipulative person, not just with Maddy. We should remember that Cassie was deeply depressed and fragile, she felt empty and lonely, i personally think that Nate took advantage of her vulnerability to forget his feelings. I cant understand how so many people underestimate his influence on Cassie while Maddy has INCRIMINATED an INNOCENT person only to protect Nate. Also, i found the Lesley's play down straight cruel and humiliating to Cassie, because for me it was done with no particular moral intent, but mostly with envy. This is pure slutshaming for me. I think that season 2 was too ipocrite with the initial message and i hate the way Cassie has been represented. The narrative is really too ambiguous with her, because it begans to make her look like a ridiculous villain instead of a more real and complex character. We have all forgive Rue, even though she had ruined her family's life, she used to be manipulative and a liar, because she was obviously hurt. And likewise happens with every other characters. So why people can't even try to empathize a little with what Cassie is going through? This seems kinda misogyny to me...ops
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  93. Honestly, I think that all this hate for Cassie is really messy and toxic... The main message of the show is literally " we all make bad decision, but nonetheless we're able to improve ourself. We should be less judicious towards others and ourself". But most people apply this message on everyone but Cassie. We all know Cassie has her fair share of mistakes, but its so overlooked that Nate is a manipulative person, not just with Maddy. We should remember that Cassie was deeply depressed and fragile, she felt empty and lonely, i personally think that Nate took advantage of her vulnerability to forget his feelings. I cant understand how so many people underestimate his influence on Cassie while Maddy has INCRIMINATED an INNOCENT person only to protect Nate. Also, i found the Lesley's play down straight cruel and humiliating to Cassie, because for me it was done with no particular moral intent, but mostly with envy. This is pure slutshaming for me. I think that season 2 was too ipocrite with the initial message and i hate the way Cassie has been represented. The narrative is really too ambiguous with her, because it begans to make her look like a ridiculous villain instead of a more real and complex character. We have all forgive Rue, even though she had ruined her family's life, she used to be manipulative and a liar, because she was obviously hurt. And likewise happens with every other characters. So why people can't even try to empathize a little with what Cassie is going through? This seems kinda misogyny to me...ops
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  94.  @wing2300  Some comments make me wonder what would they say if instead of a daughter, it was a son. Even this father, like, if he had a son who is a pronstar, would he be in this video? I've read a lot of people talking about how ashamed female pronstars should be, but when it comes to male, it's totally different, i've even seen people joking about how every men's dream job is to become a pronstar from age 13. Imo, both can be good or bad, of course, it is more common to have women being degraded in pron videos, even if it is a vanilla one, but i'm sure that there are bad sides for any gender. At least, there are people trying to change this scenario, maybe one day people will stop saying so many bad things about women who want to and work as pronstars, and just think that they chose this job, because they like it.
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  95. I love cassies character. Maybe I haven't seen a lot of movies but I haven't seen a lot of characters with mental problems depicted like she is. Like it's either the sweet anxious/depressed girl or the completely crazy one that's practically a joke. It's good to see a character who's spiralling deeper and deeper beyond help, hurting people around her, unable to break out of her habits even when she wants to. I've had depression too and been there, I want her to get better next season of course but it's sill kind of validating to watch? Weirdly enough. And I don't really mind the ppl who are angry with her, ppl aren't supposed to accommodate u just becuz you're mentally ill. U hv to clean up ur own shiet. And I like how even her family doesn't like her, like that's very real, you really can't expext anything when you're unstable. tbh
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  96.  @MargaritaOnTheRox  We don't have to vindicate the Other Woman in an attempt to de-villainise her. The Other Woman is a complex figure, and that's a good thing! It can be interesting to delve into exactly why she feels compelled to go after a married man. She could be used to reflect the patriarchal impulse to be "superior" to another woman by catering to a man's desires, she could be used to deconstruct the notion that women are automatically self-sacrificing romantics and (*gasp!*) can be selfish; in short, privileging her perspective is an opportunity to represent a real, flawed human being. But let's not make her into an angel... because no one is. 'Waitress' offers a good example of the Other Woman as a nuanced figure. Dr Pommater is in a relatively happy marriage (from the little we see of his wife there is nothing abusive about her), yet he cheats with the film/musical's protagonist, Jenna. Jenna is in an abusive relationship and has been stifled by her man-child husband and aborted ambitions - and the affair is a meaningful way of reclaiming her agency. But both the film and the musical show Jenna agonising over the affair and her acceptance that it is hurtful to Dr Pommater's wife even if it helped Jenna fight back against her abuser and get through an unplanned pregnancy. And that's life - women are not manipulative one-dimensional femme fatales vying for a married man out of nothing but sadism, they are people who should not be villified even if they are not absolved.
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  97. Some comments make me wonder what would they say if instead of a daughter, it was a son. Even this father, like, if he had a son who is a pronstar, would he be in this video? I've read a lot of people talking about how ashamed female pronstars should be, but when it comes to male, it's totally different, i've even seen people joking about how every men's dream job is to become a pronstar from age 13. Imo, both can be good or bad, of course, it is more common to have women being degraded in pron videos, even if it is a vanilla one, but i'm sure that there are bad sides for any gender. At least, there are people trying to change this scenario, maybe one day people will stop saying so many bad things about women who want to and work as pronstars, and just think that they chose this job, because they like it.
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  98. It's so weird to me that a country as open sexually as Japan is would have such a hard time accepting sex when it's someone they know. I don't have any issue of a family member wanted to join the sex industry. The industry you choose doesn't matter. What matters is how well you run your business, if you're paying your bills, and if what you're doing brings you joy. Rubbing bodies together is not a shame. Bad sex is a shame. Getting caught in debt traps is a shame. Not knowing how to provide for yourself or how to adapt to do something different and or better is a shame. Sex as an industry shouldn't be a shame.
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  99.  @Dragonage2ftw  I think what this analysis is missing is the impact having only one woman on screen in these movies has. One girl with one archetype and personality and appearance and that comes to fill the spot for every female, and she cant fit every role. If there were more female characters on screen that have a variety of fighting styles (DONE WELL) i think itd be more satisfying for everyone. Nothing wrong with Scar Jo being a sexy fem fatal type, it looks cool, but making that the only representation doesnt work well for everyone. Spiderman and thor dont have the same appeal you know
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  100. Honestly, I think that all this hate for Cassie is really messy and toxic... The main message of the show is literally " we all make bad decision, but nonetheless we're able to improve ourself. We should be less judicious towards others and ourself". But most people apply this message on everyone but Cassie. We all know Cassie has her fair share of mistakes, but its so overlooked that Nate is a manipulative person, not just with Maddy. We should remember that Cassie was deeply depressed and fragile, she felt empty and lonely, i personally think that Nate took advantage of her vulnerability to forget his feelings. I cant understand how so many people underestimate his influence on Cassie while Maddy has INCRIMINATED an INNOCENT person only to protect Nate. Also, i found the Lesley's play down straight cruel and humiliating to Cassie, because for me it was done with no particular moral intent, but mostly with envy. This is pure slutshaming for me. I think that season 2 was too ipocrite with the initial message and i hate the way Cassie has been represented. The narrative is really too ambiguous with her, because it begans to make her look like a ridiculous villain instead of a more real and complex character. We have all forgive Rue, even though she had ruined her family's life, she used to be manipulative and a liar, because she was obviously hurt. And likewise happens with every other characters. So why people can't even try to empathize a little with what Cassie is going through? This seems kinda misogyny to me...ops
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  101. Honestly, I think that all this hate for Cassie is really messy and toxic... The main message of the show is literally " we all make bad decision, but nonetheless we're able to improve ourself. We should be less judicious towards others and ourself". But most people apply this message on everyone but Cassie. We all know Cassie has her fair share of mistakes, but its so overlooked that Nate is a manipulative person, not just with Maddy. We should remember that Cassie was deeply depressed and fragile, she felt empty and lonely, i personally think that Nate took advantage of her vulnerability to forget his feelings. I cant understand how so many people underestimate his influence on Cassie while Maddy has INCRIMINATED an INNOCENT person only to protect Nate. Also, i found the Lesley's play down straight cruel and humiliating to Cassie, because for me it was done with no particular moral intent, but mostly with envy. This is pure slutshaming for me. I think that season 2 was too ipocrite with the initial message and i hate the way Cassie has been represented. The narrative is really too ambiguous with her, because it begans to make her look like a ridiculous villain instead of a more real and complex character. We have all forgive Rue, even though she had ruined her family's life, she used to be manipulative and a liar, because she was obviously hurt. And likewise happens with every other characters. So why people can't even try to empathize a little with what Cassie is going through? This seems kinda misogyny to me...ops
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  102.  @ellasteve4635  Some comments make me wonder what would they say if instead of a daughter, it was a son. Even this father, like, if he had a son who is a pronstar, would he be in this video? I've read a lot of people talking about how ashamed female pronstars should be, but when it comes to male, it's totally different, i've even seen people joking about how every men's dream job is to become a pronstar from age 13. Imo, both can be good or bad, of course, it is more common to have women being degraded in pron videos, even if it is a vanilla one, but i'm sure that there are bad sides for any gender. At least, there are people trying to change this scenario, maybe one day people will stop saying so many bad things about women who want to and work as pronstars, and just think that they chose this job, because they like it.
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  103.  @idontdodrugsiamdrugs  yeah, men that said" all men cheat" are much more likely to cheat on you, and its funny how men always preach anout holding women accountable for their actions, but they always excuse their cheating behavior, saying things like that. The hypocrisy is real. If thats statement is true then, might as well be single for the rest of my life to avoid the heartbreak
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  104.  @pupo14  Some comments make me wonder what would they say if instead of a daughter, it was a son. Even this father, like, if he had a son who is a pronstar, would he be in this video? I've read a lot of people talking about how ashamed female pronstars should be, but when it comes to male, it's totally different, i've even seen people joking about how every men's dream job is to become a pronstar from age 13. Imo, both can be good or bad, of course, it is more common to have women being degraded in pron videos, even if it is a vanilla one, but i'm sure that there are bad sides for any gender. At least, there are people trying to change this scenario, maybe one day people will stop saying so many bad things about women who want to and work as pronstars, and just think that they chose this job, because they like it.
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  105.  @starling1226  Let me go against the grain here with regards to the popular opinion in the comment section. There is nothing degrading about being a sex worker, sex work does not make you a lesser person or less educated and while you might end up being on the internet forever, as long as society doesn't judge you, that shouldn't be a big deal. Would I want my child (daughter OR SON) doing this stuff? No. Why? I don't trust some of the higher ups in these industries. Some of these people are shady and treat women particularly like crap. But that could improve and has made significant progress as more women started to take control. My second main reason is the misogyny my daughter would face by both men AND women (including Feminists) for simply recording and distributing something that most people do. Some of these women, maybe not in Japan but in America and Europe, make ridiculous amounts of money by simply showing the physical intimacy I their monogamous relationship between themselves and their partner. They're doing the same things they'd do, just recording and distributing it for tens of thousands to hundreds of thousands of dollars. Why does this affect them with regards to how they are perceived? Why should this affect them with regards to getting a job or running for office? How are they inherently bad people because they filmed themselves f*ck?
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  106.  @gayathrisenarathna3948  Let me go against the grain here with regards to the popular opinion in the comment section. There is nothing degrading about being a sex worker, sex work does not make you a lesser person or less educated and while you might end up being on the internet forever, as long as society doesn't judge you, that shouldn't be a big deal. Would I want my child (daughter OR SON) doing this stuff? No. Why? I don't trust some of the higher ups in these industries. Some of these people are shady and treat women particularly like crap. But that could improve and has made significant progress as more women started to take control. My second main reason is the misogyny my daughter would face by both men AND women (including Feminists) for simply recording and distributing something that most people do. Some of these women, maybe not in Japan but in America and Europe, make ridiculous amounts of money by simply showing the physical intimacy I their monogamous relationship between themselves and their partner. They're doing the same things they'd do, just recording and distributing it for tens of thousands to hundreds of thousands of dollars. Why does this affect them with regards to how they are perceived? Why should this affect them with regards to getting a job or running for office? How are they inherently bad people because they filmed themselves f*ck?
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  107.  @gayathrisenarathna3948  Some comments make me wonder what would they say if instead of a daughter, it was a son. Even this father, like, if he had a son who is a pronstar, would he be in this video? I've read a lot of people talking about how ashamed female pronstars should be, but when it comes to male, it's totally different, i've even seen people joking about how every men's dream job is to become a pronstar from age 13. Imo, both can be good or bad, of course, it is more common to have women being degraded in pron videos, even if it is a vanilla one, but i'm sure that there are bad sides for any gender. At least, there are people trying to change this scenario, maybe one day people will stop saying so many bad things about women who want to and work as pronstars, and just think that they chose this job, because they like it.
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  108.  @Sapanator  That graph at the beginning about the chance of divorce after 5 years doesn't hold much water. The graph doesn't even have a consistent increase with the number of partners. Hell, the chance of divorce is higher with 2 partners than 6-9 partners according to this. Alexander talks about this graph as if there is an exponential increase in chance of divorce with an increase in partners. The difference between 2 partners and 10 + is about 4%..........4%. Don't act like this is a big difference.
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  109. This comments section is the biggest yikes fest I have ever seen. Literally NOTHING but sex-shaming. We've got a whole lot of work to do when there are hundreds of people unifying around the notion that there is something wrong to consenting to do sex work. Being against sex work or ashamed of it will literally never make sense; the overwhelming majority of y'all aren't even virgins, and have likely had multiple partners, yet somebody choosing to take what you're already doing for free and turn it into a profit is somehow problematic? Even if you wanted to suggest that your sexual encounters were "special" and "not just with anybody," that's ignoring that that's simply YOUR choice, and that not everybody shares those values. On the other hand, that's also devaluing the joy of the work. Not every porn star JUST does it for the money; MANY sex workers do it BECAUSE it is also special for them, too. Perhaps not in the same way, but special nonetheless. Surely y'all understand that just because this is a Japanese channel, you don't actually have to BE like the Japanese, that is, ruthlessly close-minded and conservative, right? Not to mention, this notion the porn "follows" you is just being overly-simplistic. In much the same way that you can still find employment despite being fired from the five jobs you held prior, you can also find employment without your employer ever knowing you did sex work. Same too, you can also enter into meaningful relationships as well. Obviously, not everybody is comfortable dating somebody who is or was a sex worker, but then, I'm not comfortable dating close-minded sex-shaming assholes like the hundreds of y'all in the comments, so really, maybe we should just let people make their consensual choices and shut the actual fuck up if we don't personally agree with them, HMM?!
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  110. The part about how actually relatable Cassie's behavior is to young girl's is true for some people. I've seen this behavior but also amongst grown-ups. I've done this myself to some degree but I could never loose myself for someone else. A bit like Maddy but not completely. Which is why I am so disappointed at Cassie but still gets her. And it's often because of this patriarchal society brainwashing everyone, with an uterus, to behave that way while at the same time shaming us for doing it too. Damn if you do, damn if you don't. And it does tells us, no matter what gender, to loose ourselves into this one person because that's true love. No that's what's called toxic monogamy.
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  111.  @abbied  I don't think thats monogamy is bad if its something that you and your significant other want. And if both of you find a way to make it work, more power to you👍.I think that insecurity is the root of monogamy in almost all cases but that all human beings are insecure and most of our social interactions dictated by a number of feelings we have toward other people, including insecurity. I just think monogamy generally is about insecurity. Thats not me saying monogamous people are uniquely broken or something, like i said before, if you and your partner can find ways to make it work, good for you. I just think that monogamy is an arbitrary standard that we all define in different places and set in different ways, but we do have to recognize it comes down to jealousy, you know ?
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  112. Honestly, I think that all this hate for Cassie is really messy and toxic... The main message of the show is literally " we all make bad decision, but nonetheless we're able to improve ourself. We should be less judicious towards others and ourself". But most people apply this message on everyone but Cassie. We all know Cassie has her fair share of mistakes, but its so overlooked that Nate is a manipulative person, not just with Maddy. We should remember that Cassie was deeply depressed and fragile, she felt empty and lonely, i personally think that Nate took advantage of her vulnerability to forget his feelings. I cant understand how so many people underestimate his influence on Cassie while Maddy has INCRIMINATED an INNOCENT person only to protect Nate. Also, i found the Lesley's play down straight cruel and humiliating to Cassie, because for me it was done with no particular moral intent, but mostly with envy. This is pure slutshaming for me. I think that season 2 was too ipocrite with the initial message and i hate the way Cassie has been represented. The narrative is really too ambiguous with her, because it begans to make her look like a ridiculous villain instead of a more real and complex character. We have all forgive Rue, even though she had ruined her family's life, she used to be manipulative and a liar, because she was obviously hurt. And likewise happens with every other characters. So why people can't even try to empathize a little with what Cassie is going through? This seems kinda misogyny to me...ops
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  113. Let me go against the grain here with regards to the popular opinion in the comment section. There is nothing degrading about being a sex worker, sex work does not make you a lesser person or less educated and while you might end up being on the internet forever, as long as society doesn't judge you, that shouldn't be a big deal. Would I want my child (daughter OR SON) doing this stuff? No. Why? I don't trust some of the higher ups in these industries. Some of these people are shady and treat women particularly like crap. But that could improve and has made significant progress as more women started to take control. My second main reason is the misogyny my daughter would face by both men AND women (including Feminists) for simply recording and distributing something that most people do. Some of these women, maybe not in Japan but in America and Europe, make ridiculous amounts of money by simply showing the physical intimacy I their monogamous relationship between themselves and their partner. They're doing the same things they'd do, just recording and distributing it for tens of thousands to hundreds of thousands of dollars. Why does this affect them with regards to how they are perceived? Why should this affect them with regards to getting a job or running for office? How are they inherently bad people because they filmed themselves f*ck?
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  114. who cares what people think of unlikeable female characters, i want to see more of them in media instead of another 100 mary sues who are morally perfect in everyway lol
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  115. i can relate to them much more and want to see their journey to redemption( if done correctly) in order to grow into better people, thats much more compelling tbh
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  116.  @leahmb3215  Honestly, I think that all this hate for Cassie is really messy and toxic... The main message of the show is literally " we all make bad decision, but nonetheless we're able to improve ourself. We should be less judicious towards others and ourself". But most people apply this message on everyone but Cassie. We all know Cassie has her fair share of mistakes, but its so overlooked that Nate is a manipulative person, not just with Maddy. We should remember that Cassie was deeply depressed and fragile, she felt empty and lonely, i personally think that Nate took advantage of her vulnerability to forget his feelings. I cant understand how so many people underestimate his influence on Cassie while Maddy has INCRIMINATED an INNOCENT person only to protect Nate. Also, i found the Lesley's play down straight cruel and humiliating to Cassie, because for me it was done with no particular moral intent, but mostly with envy. This is pure slutshaming for me. I think that season 2 was too ipocrite with the initial message and i hate the way Cassie has been represented. The narrative is really too ambiguous with her, because it begans to make her look like a ridiculous villain instead of a more real and complex character. We have all forgive Rue, even though she had ruined her family's life, she used to be manipulative and a liar, because she was obviously hurt. And likewise happens with every other characters. So why people can't even try to empathize a little with what Cassie is going through? This seems kinda misogyny to me...ops
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  117.  @silviabohemica7532  Honestly, I think that all this hate for Cassie is really messy and toxic... The main message of the show is literally " we all make bad decision, but nonetheless we're able to improve ourself. We should be less judicious towards others and ourself". But most people apply this message on everyone but Cassie. We all know Cassie has her fair share of mistakes, but its so overlooked that Nate is a manipulative person, not just with Maddy. We should remember that Cassie was deeply depressed and fragile, she felt empty and lonely, i personally think that Nate took advantage of her vulnerability to forget his feelings. I cant understand how so many people underestimate his influence on Cassie while Maddy has INCRIMINATED an INNOCENT person only to protect Nate. Also, i found the Lesley's play down straight cruel and humiliating to Cassie, because for me it was done with no particular moral intent, but mostly with envy. This is pure slutshaming for me. I think that season 2 was too ipocrite with the initial message and i hate the way Cassie has been represented. The narrative is really too ambiguous with her, because it begans to make her look like a ridiculous villain instead of a more real and complex character. We have all forgive Rue, even though she had ruined her family's life, she used to be manipulative and a liar, because she was obviously hurt. And likewise happens with every other characters. So why people can't even try to empathize a little with what Cassie is going through? This seems kinda misogyny to me...ops
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  118.  @Fierie333  Honestly, I think that all this hate for Cassie is really messy and toxic... The main message of the show is literally " we all make bad decision, but nonetheless we're able to improve ourself. We should be less judicious towards others and ourself". But most people apply this message on everyone but Cassie. We all know Cassie has her fair share of mistakes, but its so overlooked that Nate is a manipulative person, not just with Maddy. We should remember that Cassie was deeply depressed and fragile, she felt empty and lonely, i personally think that Nate took advantage of her vulnerability to forget his feelings. I cant understand how so many people underestimate his influence on Cassie while Maddy has INCRIMINATED an INNOCENT person only to protect Nate. Also, i found the Lesley's play down straight cruel and humiliating to Cassie, because for me it was done with no particular moral intent, but mostly with envy. This is pure slutshaming for me. I think that season 2 was too ipocrite with the initial message and i hate the way Cassie has been represented. The narrative is really too ambiguous with her, because it begans to make her look like a ridiculous villain instead of a more real and complex character. We have all forgive Rue, even though she had ruined her family's life, she used to be manipulative and a liar, because she was obviously hurt. And likewise happens with every other characters. So why people can't even try to empathize a little with what Cassie is going through? This seems kinda misogyny to me...ops
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  119. Honestly, I think that all this hate for Cassie is really messy and toxic... The main message of the show is literally " we all make bad decision, but nonetheless we're able to improve ourself. We should be less judicious towards others and ourself". But most people apply this message on everyone but Cassie. We all know Cassie has her fair share of mistakes, but its so overlooked that Nate is a manipulative person, not just with Maddy. We should remember that Cassie was deeply depressed and fragile, she felt empty and lonely, i personally think that Nate took advantage of her vulnerability to forget his feelings. I cant understand how so many people underestimate his influence on Cassie while Maddy has INCRIMINATED an INNOCENT person only to protect Nate. Also, i found the Lesley's play down straight cruel and humiliating to Cassie, because for me it was done with no particular moral intent, but mostly with envy. This is pure slutshaming for me. I think that season 2 was too ipocrite with the initial message and i hate the way Cassie has been represented. The narrative is really too ambiguous with her, because it begans to make her look like a ridiculous villain instead of a more real and complex character. We have all forgive Rue, even though she had ruined her family's life, she used to be manipulative and a liar, because she was obviously hurt. And likewise happens with every other characters. So why people can't even try to empathize a little with what Cassie is going through? This seems kinda misogyny to me...ops
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  120. Honestly, I think that all this hate for Cassie is really messy and toxic... The main message of the show is literally " we all make bad decision, but nonetheless we're able to improve ourself. We should be less judicious towards others and ourself". But most people apply this message on everyone but Cassie. We all know Cassie has her fair share of mistakes, but its so overlooked that Nate is a manipulative person, not just with Maddy. We should remember that Cassie was deeply depressed and fragile, she felt empty and lonely, i personally think that Nate took advantage of her vulnerability to forget his feelings. I cant understand how so many people underestimate his influence on Cassie while Maddy has INCRIMINATED an INNOCENT person only to protect Nate. Also, i found the Lesley's play down straight cruel and humiliating to Cassie, because for me it was done with no particular moral intent, but mostly with envy. This is pure slutshaming for me. I think that season 2 was too ipocrite with the initial message and i hate the way Cassie has been represented. The narrative is really too ambiguous with her, because it begans to make her look like a ridiculous villain instead of a more real and complex character. We have all forgive Rue, even though she had ruined her family's life, she used to be manipulative and a liar, because she was obviously hurt. And likewise happens with every other characters. So why people can't even try to empathize a little with what Cassie is going through? This seems kinda misogyny to me...ops
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  121.  @swiggydswirl330  Some comments make me wonder what would they say if instead of a daughter, it was a son. Even this father, like, if he had a son who is a pronstar, would he be in this video? I've read a lot of people talking about how ashamed female pronstars should be, but when it comes to male, it's totally different, i've even seen people joking about how every men's dream job is to become a pronstar from age 13. Imo, both can be good or bad, of course, it is more common to have women being degraded in pron videos, even if it is a vanilla one, but i'm sure that there are bad sides for any gender. At least, there are people trying to change this scenario, maybe one day people will stop saying so many bad things about women who want to and work as pronstars, and just think that they chose this job, because they like it.
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  122. I love cassies character. Maybe I haven't seen a lot of movies but I haven't seen a lot of characters with mental problems depicted like she is. Like it's either the sweet anxious/depressed girl or the completely crazy one that's practically a joke. It's good to see a character who's spiralling deeper and deeper beyond help, hurting people around her, unable to break out of her habits even when she wants to. I've had depression too and been there, I want her to get better next season of course but it's sill kind of validating to watch? Weirdly enough. And I don't really mind the ppl who are angry with her, ppl aren't supposed to accommodate u just becuz you're mentally ill. U hv to clean up ur own shiet. And I like how even her family doesn't like her, like that's very real, you really can't expext anything when you're unstable. tbh
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  123.  @jwdathefax377  i know right, its funny that men always preach about holding women accountable for their actions, yet at the same time defending other men for their cheating behavior, saying things like" its in men nature to cheat, all men will cheat beacuse of urges, your husband will cheat on you , deal with it!" The same excuses women make to escape repsonsibilities. Oh the hypocrisy ! i realize from some of the comments here that, some men( not all) will never hold other men accountable, its as if accountablity is their kryptonite lol
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  124.  @prisma6799  Some comments make me wonder what would they say if instead of a daughter, it was a son. Even this father, like, if he had a son who is a pronstar, would he be in this video? I've read a lot of people talking about how ashamed female pronstars should be, but when it comes to male, it's totally different, i've even seen people joking about how every men's dream job is to become a pronstar from age 13. Imo, both can be good or bad, of course, it is more common to have women being degraded in pron videos, even if it is a vanilla one, but i'm sure that there are bad sides for any gender. At least, there are people trying to change this scenario, maybe one day people will stop saying so many bad things about women who want to and work as pronstars, and just think that they chose this job, because they like it.
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  125. I know, right ? lol.
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  126. I love cassies character. Maybe I haven't seen a lot of movies but I haven't seen a lot of characters with mental problems depicted like she is. Like it's either the sweet anxious/depressed girl or the completely crazy one that's practically a joke. It's good to see a character who's spiralling deeper and deeper beyond help, hurting people around her, unable to break out of her habits even when she wants to. I've had depression too and been there, I want her to get better next season of course but it's sill kind of validating to watch? Weirdly enough. And I don't really mind the ppl who are angry with her, ppl aren't supposed to accommodate u just becuz you're mentally ill. U hv to clean up ur own shiet. And I like how even her family doesn't like her, like that's very real, you really can't expext anything when you're unstable.
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  127.  @ameseful  although he clearly tries to cheat with her, i'm glad that she tries to keep the family together beacuse of the kids. Most men will instantly leave the women if they try to mess aroung like the man in video, but if there was kids involved, i think most men will try to do the same thing she did, i think, idk.
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  128. I love cassies character. Maybe I haven't seen a lot of movies but I haven't seen a lot of characters with mental problems depicted like she is. Like it's either the sweet anxious/depressed girl or the completely crazy one that's practically a joke. It's good to see a character who's spiralling deeper and deeper beyond help, hurting people around her, unable to break out of her habits even when she wants to. I've had depression too and been there, I want her to get better next season of course but it's sill kind of validating to watch? Weirdly enough. And I don't really mind the ppl who are angry with her, ppl aren't supposed to accommodate u just becuz you're mentally ill. U hv to clean up ur own shiet. And I like how even her family doesn't like her, like that's very real, you really can't expect anything when you're unstable. tbh
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  129. This comments section is the biggest yikes fest I have ever seen. Literally NOTHING but sex-shaming. We've got a whole lot of work to do when there are hundreds of people unifying around the notion that there is something wrong to consenting to do sex work. Being against sex work or ashamed of it will literally never make sense; the overwhelming majority of y'all aren't even virgins, and have likely had multiple partners, yet somebody choosing to take what you're already doing for free and turn it into a profit is somehow problematic? Even if you wanted to suggest that your sexual encounters were "special" and "not just with anybody," that's ignoring that that's simply YOUR choice, and that not everybody shares those values. On the other hand, that's also devaluing the joy of the work. Not every porn star JUST does it for the money; MANY sex workers do it BECAUSE it is also special for them, too. Perhaps not in the same way, but special nonetheless. Surely y'all understand that just because this is a Japanese channel, you don't actually have to BE like the Japanese, that is, ruthlessly close-minded and conservative, right? Not to mention, this notion the porn "follows" you is just being overly-simplistic. In much the same way that you can still find employment despite being fired from the five jobs you held prior, you can also find employment without your employer ever knowing you did sex work. Same too, you can also enter into meaningful relationships as well. Obviously, not everybody is comfortable dating somebody who is or was a sex worker, but then, I'm not comfortable dating close-minded sex-shaming assholes like the hundreds of y'all in the comments, so really, maybe we should just let people make their consensual choices and shut the actual fuck up if we don't personally agree with them, HMM?!
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  130. Some comments make me wonder what would they say if instead of a daughter, it was a son. Even this father, like, if he had a son who is a pronstar, would he be in this video? I've read a lot of people talking about how ashamed female pronstars should be, but when it comes to male, it's totally different, i've even seen people joking about how every men's dream job is to become a pronstar from age 13. Imo, both can be good or bad, of course, it is more common to have women being degraded in pron videos, even if it is a vanilla one, but i'm sure that there are bad sides for any gender. At least, there are people trying to change this scenario, maybe one day people will stop saying so many bad things about women who want to and work as pronstars, and just think that they chose this job, because they like it.
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  131. Some comments make me wonder what would they say if instead of a daughter, it was a son. Even this father, like, if he had a son who is a pronstar, would he be in this video? I've read a lot of people talking about how ashamed female pronstars should be, but when it comes to male, it's totally different, i've even seen people joking about how every men's dream job is to become a pronstar from age 13. Imo, both can be good or bad, of course, it is more common to have women being degraded in pron videos, even if it is a vanilla one, but i'm sure that there are bad sides for any gender. At least, there are people trying to change this scenario, maybe one day people will stop saying so many bad things about women who want to and work as pronstars, and just think that they chose this job, because they like it.
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  132. Let me go against the grain here with regards to the popular opinion in the comment section. There is nothing degrading about being a sex worker, sex work does not make you a lesser person or less educated and while you might end up being on the internet forever, as long as society doesn't judge you, that shouldn't be a big deal. Would I want my child (daughter OR SON) doing this stuff? No. Why? I don't trust some of the higher ups in these industries. Some of these people are shady and treat women particularly like crap. But that could improve and has made significant progress as more women started to take control. My second main reason is the misogyny my daughter would face by both men AND women (including Feminists) for simply recording and distributing something that most people do. Some of these women, maybe not in Japan but in America and Europe, make ridiculous amounts of money by simply showing the physical intimacy I their monogamous relationship between themselves and their partner. They're doing the same things they'd do, just recording and distributing it for tens of thousands to hundreds of thousands of dollars. Why does this affect them with regards to how they are perceived? Why should this affect them with regards to getting a job or running for office? How are they inherently bad people because they filmed themselves f*ck?
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  133.  @25taylorkw  i agree with this 100%
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  134. Honestly, I think that all this hate for Cassie is really messy and toxic... The main message of the show is literally " we all make bad decision, but nonetheless we're able to improve ourself. We should be less judicious towards others and ourself". But most people apply this message on everyone but Cassie. We all know Cassie has her fair share of mistakes, but its so overlooked that Nate is a manipulative person, not just with Maddy. We should remember that Cassie was deeply depressed and fragile, she felt empty and lonely, i personally think that Nate took advantage of her vulnerability to forget his feelings. I cant understand how so many people underestimate his influence on Cassie while Maddy has INCRIMINATED an INNOCENT person only to protect Nate. Also, i found the Lesley's play down straight cruel and humiliating to Cassie, because for me it was done with no particular moral intent, but mostly with envy. This is pure slutshaming for me. I think that season 2 was too ipocrite with the initial message and i hate the way Cassie has been represented. The narrative is really too ambiguous with her, because it begans to make her look like a ridiculous villain instead of a more real and complex character. We have all forgive Rue, even though she had ruined her family's life, she used to be manipulative and a liar, because she was obviously hurt. And likewise happens with every other characters. So why people can't even try to empathize a little with what Cassie is going through? This seems kinda misogyny to me...ops
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  135. Some comments make me wonder what would they say if instead of a daughter, it was a son. Even this father, like, if he had a son who is a pronstar, would he be in this video? I've read a lot of people talking about how ashamed female pronstars should be, but when it comes to male, it's totally different, i've even seen people joking about how every men's dream job is to become a pronstar from age 13. Imo, both can be good or bad, of course, it is more common to have women being degraded in pron videos, even if it is a vanilla one, but i'm sure that there are bad sides for any gender. At least, there are people trying to change this scenario, maybe one day people will stop saying so many bad things about women who want to and work as pronstars, and just think that they chose this job, because they like it.
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  136. We don't have to vindicate the Other Woman in an attempt to de-villainise her. The Other Woman is a complex figure, and that's a good thing! It can be interesting to delve into exactly why she feels compelled to go after a married man. She could be used to reflect the patriarchal impulse to be "superior" to another woman by catering to a man's desires, she could be used to deconstruct the notion that women are automatically self-sacrificing romantics and (*gasp!*) can be selfish; in short, privileging her perspective is an opportunity to represent a real, flawed human being. But let's not make her into an angel... because no one is. 'Waitress' offers a good example of the Other Woman as a nuanced figure. Dr Pommater is in a relatively happy marriage (from the little we see of his wife there is nothing abusive about her), yet he cheats with the film/musical's protagonist, Jenna. Jenna is in an abusive relationship and has been stifled by her man-child husband and aborted ambitions - and the affair is a meaningful way of reclaiming her agency. But both the film and the musical show Jenna agonising over the affair and her acceptance that it is hurtful to Dr Pommater's wife even if it helped Jenna fight back against her abuser and get through an unplanned pregnancy. And that's life - women are not manipulative one-dimensional femme fatales vying for a married man out of nothing but sadism, they are people who should not be villified even if they are not absolved.
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  137. I love cassies character. Maybe I haven't seen a lot of movies but I haven't seen a lot of characters with mental problems depicted like she is. Like it's either the sweet anxious/depressed girl or the completely crazy one that's practically a joke. It's good to see a character who's spiralling deeper and deeper beyond help, hurting people around her, unable to break out of her habits even when she wants to. I've had depression too and been there, I want her to get better next season of course but it's sill kind of validating to watch? Weirdly enough. And I don't really mind the ppl who are angry with her, ppl aren't supposed to accommodate u just becuz you're mentally ill. U hv to clean up ur own shiet. And I like how even her family doesn't like her, like that's very real, you really can't expext anything when you're unstable. tbh
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  138. I'm a Singaporean, i can tell u what my friends says that if u are single, u wish you are married. But when u are married, u wish u were single again. The grass is always greener on the other side
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  139. I love cassies character. Maybe I haven't seen a lot of movies but I haven't seen a lot of characters with mental problems depicted like she is. Like it's either the sweet anxious/depressed girl or the completely crazy one that's practically a joke. It's good to see a character who's spiralling deeper and deeper beyond help, hurting people around her, unable to break out of her habits even when she wants to. I've had depression too and been there, I want her to get better next season of course but it's sill kind of validating to watch? Weirdly enough. And I don't really mind the ppl who are angry with her, ppl aren't supposed to accommodate u just becuz you're mentally ill. U hv to clean up ur own shiet. And I like how even her family doesn't like her, like that's very real, you really can't expect anything when you're unstable. tbh
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  140. I agree with this 100%
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  141. I know right, lol 😂
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  142. Honestly, I think that all this hate for Cassie is really messy and toxic... The main message of the show is literally " we all make bad decision, but nonetheless we're able to improve ourself. We should be less judicious towards others and ourself". But most people apply this message on everyone but Cassie. We all know Cassie has her fair share of mistakes, but its so overlooked that Nate is a manipulative person, not just with Maddy. We should remember that Cassie was deeply depressed and fragile, she felt empty and lonely, i personally think that Nate took advantage of her vulnerability to forget his feelings. I cant understand how so many people underestimate his influence on Cassie while Maddy has INCRIMINATED an INNOCENT person only to protect Nate. Also, i found the Lesley's play down straight cruel and humiliating to Cassie, because for me it was done with no particular moral intent, but mostly with envy. This is pure slutshaming for me. I think that season 2 was too ipocrite with the initial message and i hate the way Cassie has been represented. The narrative is really too ambiguous with her, because it begans to make her look like a ridiculous villain instead of a more real and complex character. We have all forgive Rue, even though she had ruined her family's life, she used to be manipulative and a liar, because she was obviously hurt. And likewise happens with every other characters. So why people can't even try to empathize a little with what Cassie is going through? This seems kinda misogyny to me...ops
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  143. Honestly, I think that all this hate for Cassie is really messy and toxic... The main message of the show is literally " we all make bad decision, but nonetheless we're able to improve ourself. We should be less judicious towards others and ourself". But most people apply this message on everyone but Cassie. We all know Cassie has her fair share of mistakes, but its so overlooked that Nate is a manipulative person, not just with Maddy. We should remember that Cassie was deeply depressed and fragile, she felt empty and lonely, i personally think that Nate took advantage of her vulnerability to forget his feelings. I cant understand how so many people underestimate his influence on Cassie while Maddy has INCRIMINATED an INNOCENT person only to protect Nate. Also, i found the Lesley's play down straight cruel and humiliating to Cassie, because for me it was done with no particular moral intent, but mostly with envy. This is pure slutshaming for me. I think that season 2 was too ipocrite with the initial message and i hate the way Cassie has been represented. The narrative is really too ambiguous with her, because it begans to make her look like a ridiculous villain instead of a more real and complex character. We have all forgive Rue, even though she had ruined her family's life, she used to be manipulative and a liar, because she was obviously hurt. And likewise happens with every other characters. So why people can't even try to empathize a little with what Cassie is going through? This seems kinda misogyny to me...ops
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  144.  @BenJaminLongTime  I think the argument is too black and white. Either its all female voodoo or a girly with an apes bod. Women don't need muscle to be strong, but they need more than a body to be a good character. I think Arcane does a spectacular job at writing women who are people before their gender. For instance the punching Powerhouse Vi, who beats the shit out of people. She punches before she thinks, but thats not because she's an angry feminist... she grew up in an environment where you had to fight to survive. Plus, she was in charge of her ragtag siblings, prepped to be a leader by her adoptive father. The difference is that seducing people and then beating them up won't really work for the problems she faces. So, conditions effect character. Black windows tactic works with the conditions of a modern world, and kinda points out the flaws in the men she seduces rather than her seducing. The problem is that marvel is trying to appeal more to kids so they gotta water down characters a bit. She's a morally grey character and that's why she's cool. It's not about being more manly because men exist in different conditions. I think if we want to see a more human side to black window, they could maybe show how she feels about her tactic, make her get fed up and lash out because changing the character without confronting the conditioned behavior washes away the humanity.
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  145.  @tiny_tuba9756  Some comments make me wonder what would they say if instead of a daughter, it was a son. Even this father, like, if he had a son who is a pronstar, would he be in this video? I've read a lot of people talking about how ashamed female pronstars should be, but when it comes to male, it's totally different, i've even seen people joking about how every men's dream job is to become a pronstar from age 13. Imo, both can be good or bad, of course, it is more common to have women being degraded in pron videos, even if it is a vanilla one, but i'm sure that there are bad sides for any gender. At least, there are people trying to change this scenario, maybe one day people will stop saying so many bad things about women who want to and work as pronstars, and just think that they chose this job, because they like it.
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  146. Honestly, I think that all this hate for Cassie is really messy and toxic... The main message of the show is literally " we all make bad decision, but nonetheless we're able to improve ourself. We should be less judicious towards others and ourself". But most people apply this message on everyone but Cassie. We all know Cassie has her fair share of mistakes, but its so overlooked that Nate is a manipulative person, not just with Maddy. We should remember that Cassie was deeply depressed and fragile, she felt empty and lonely, i personally think that Nate took advantage of her vulnerability to forget his feelings. I cant understand how so many people underestimate his influence on Cassie while Maddy has INCRIMINATED an INNOCENT person only to protect Nate. Also, i found the Lesley's play down straight cruel and humiliating to Cassie, because for me it was done with no particular moral intent, but mostly with envy. This is pure slutshaming for me. I think that season 2 was too ipocrite with the initial message and i hate the way Cassie has been represented. The narrative is really too ambiguous with her, because it begans to make her look like a ridiculous villain instead of a more real and complex character. We have all forgive Rue, even though she had ruined her family's life, she used to be manipulative and a liar, because she was obviously hurt. And likewise happens with every other characters. So why people can't even try to empathize a little with what Cassie is going through? This seems kinda misogyny to me...ops
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  147.  @otakumangastudios3617  i agree with this 💯👍
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  148.  @otakumangastudios3617  Female characters tend to be one of those boring tropes that i've seen countless times in media, so i hope to see some variation to the female characters. They dont have to make the women hyper competent female warriors who are as strong as the malse ( we have plenty of those already), just make them unique, interesting, and stray away from the same old boring tropes,
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  149.  @otakumangastudios3617  i agree with you 100%
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  150.  @otakumangastudios3617  I think what this analysis is missing is the impact having only one woman on screen in these movies has. One girl with one archetype and personality and appearance and that comes to fill the spot for every female, and she cant fit every role. If there were more female characters on screen that have a variety of fighting styles (DONE WELL) i think itd be more satisfying for everyone. Nothing wrong with Scar Jo being a sexy fem fatal type, it looks cool, but making that the only representation doesnt work well for everyone. Spiderman and thor dont have the same appeal you know
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  151.  @otakumangastudios3617  i agree with this 100% , personally i want to see more LGBT representation since for the longest time they have been underepresented or demonized on telivision tbh, and i want to see them as people, not as stereotypes . i'd recommend you to watch "Heartstopper", a show features trans women, gay, lesbian British students, in a normal slice of life, its SO WHOLESOME, i swear .
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  152. I love cassies character. Maybe I haven't seen a lot of movies but I haven't seen a lot of characters with mental problems depicted like she is. Like it's either the sweet anxious/depressed girl or the completely crazy one that's practically a joke. It's good to see a character who's spiralling deeper and deeper beyond help, hurting people around her, unable to break out of her habits even when she wants to. I've had depression too and been there, I want her to get better next season of course but it's sill kind of validating to watch? Weirdly enough. And I don't really mind the ppl who are angry with her, ppl aren't supposed to accommodate u just becuz you're mentally ill. U hv to clean up ur own shiet. And I like how even her family doesn't like her, like that's very real, you really can't expext anything when you're unstable.
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  153. i agree with this so much
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  154. I certainly found being single makes me happier as a person, thats not to say i'm shaming women who want to get marry. Being single has its pros and cons, but i'm just content with the way i live, and thats what peole should try to be tbh😊
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  155. Some comments make me wonder what would they say if instead of a daughter, it was a son. Even this father, like, if he had a son who is a pronstar, would he be in this video? I've read a lot of people talking about how ashamed female pronstars should be, but when it comes to male, it's totally different, i've even seen people joking about how every men's dream job is to become a pronstar from age 13. Imo, both can be good or bad, of course, it is more common to have women being degraded in pron videos, even if it is a vanilla one, but i'm sure that there are bad sides for any gender. At least, there are people trying to change this scenario, maybe one day people will stop saying so many bad things about women who want to and work as pronstars, and just think that they chose this job, because they like it.
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  156. Let me go against the grain here with regards to the popular opinion in the comment section. There is nothing degrading about being a sex worker, sex work does not make you a lesser person or less educated and while you might end up being on the internet forever, as long as society doesn't judge you, that shouldn't be a big deal. Would I want my child (daughter OR SON) doing this stuff? No. Why? I don't trust some of the higher ups in these industries. Some of these people are shady and treat women particularly like crap. But that could improve and has made significant progress as more women started to take control. My second main reason is the misogyny my daughter would face by both men AND women (including Feminists) for simply recording and distributing something that most people do. Some of these women, maybe not in Japan but in America and Europe, make ridiculous amounts of money by simply showing the physical intimacy I their monogamous relationship between themselves and their partner. They're doing the same things they'd do, just recording and distributing it for tens of thousands to hundreds of thousands of dollars. Why does this affect them with regards to how they are perceived? Why should this affect them with regards to getting a job or running for office? How are they inherently bad people because they filmed themselves f*ck?
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  157. Idk what to think of this comment section, there’s so many very well thought out and argued points and analysis, but also so much ”Yeah scarjo’s an idiot, women have to be sexual what else do they got. Juicy milkers are great, I need to see them or I become disinterested!😤” Which just drives me nuts. The video itself, I can’t tell which side it’s on, it’s decently argued but also feels a bit simplistic and bit too stuck to pretty dusty and old ideas about women and men. Also I think it’s maybe a bit unfair to judge her for taking on sexy roles in the past, times are changing, those types of roles were maybe something she thought she just had to do, no option, to become an actor or to further her career. We don’t know is she was comfortable with Hollywood profiling her that way or not. But yeah I’m kind of sad if his opinion is that women have to be sensual and men have to be strong brutes for a movie to work. Playing around with traits just needs to be done well. On the other hand I agree that in order for a female character to be intimidating or strong doesn’t mean femininity needs to, or should be erased.
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  158. I don't want to excuse Cassie for what she did, but people seem to be so desensitized with Nate and think he's only doing what's expected of him that they end up forgetting that he's the biggest problem here. Realistically, I would react the same way Maddie did, because Cassie broke her trust and if someone you bonded with so much just broke your trust and got with your ex-ABUSIVE boyfriend, that would deeply hurt you, but Nate needs to take responsibility for his actions as well, not just Cassie. He ain't even facing any consequences despite being so much of a jack-ass. He only got beaten once meanwhile Cassie always needs to take blame even before this entire incident. Plus, people seem to forget about Cassie's passion for ice skating. Instead of making season 2 about her trying to find herself after all the heartbreak, regaining her love for ice skating and pursuing it. I know that putting her together with Nate creates more drama, making it more interesting to viewers and that's what they want, but it's also kinda demeaning to Cassie as a person. I'm being way too invested but like I'm just kinda sad, I wanted Cassie to grow but her world only fell apart, and yes she did questionable things in the past, I don't excuse any of her wrongdoings but the point is wanting to see her grow and since she's literally just a character so I believe they could have molded her differently. Also like someone said, her true love doesn't have to be a man, it could be anyone, it doesn't have to be romantic. As long as it helps her grow and uplifts her, helps her become a better person, then that's who you can consider her true love. It's so sad to see Maddie and Cassie pitted against each other; "Bitch you're my soulmate"😭😭😭
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  159.  @suiyan6297  I'm a Singaporean, i can tell u what my friends says that if u are single, u wish you are married. But when u are married, u wish u were single again. The grass is always greener on the other side
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  160. Idk what to think of this comment section, there’s so many very well thought out and argued points and analysis, but also so much ”Yeah scarjo’s an idiot, women have to be sexual what else do they got. Juicy milkers are great, I need to see them or I become disinterested!😤” Which just drives me nuts. The video itself, I can’t tell which side it’s on, it’s decently argued but also feels a bit simplistic and bit too stuck to pretty dusty and old ideas about women and men. Also I think it’s maybe a bit unfair to judge her for taking on sexy roles in the past, times are changing, those types of roles were maybe something she thought she just had to do, no option, to become an actor or to further her career. We don’t know is she was comfortable with Hollywood profiling her that way or not. But yeah I’m kind of sad if his opinion is that women have to be sensual and men have to be strong brutes for a movie to work. Playing around with traits just needs to be done well. On the other hand I agree that in order for a female character to be intimidating or strong doesn’t mean femininity needs to, or should be erased.
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  161. Idk what to think of this comment section, there’s so many very well thought out and argued points and analysis, but also so much ”Yeah scarjo’s an idiot, women have to be sexual what else do they got. Juicy milkers are great, I need to see them or I become disinterested!😤” Which just drives me nuts. The video itself, I can’t tell which side it’s on, it’s decently argued but also feels a bit simplistic and bit too stuck to pretty dusty and old ideas about women and men. Also I think it’s maybe a bit unfair to judge her for taking on sexy roles in the past, times are changing, those types of roles were maybe something she thought she just had to do, no option, to become an actor or to further her career. We don’t know is she was comfortable with Hollywood profiling her that way or not. But yeah I’m kind of sad if his opinion is that women have to be sensual and men have to be strong brutes for a movie to work. Playing around with traits just needs to be done well. On the other hand I agree that in order for a female character to be intimidating or strong doesn’t mean femininity needs to, or should be erased.
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  162. I don't want to excuse Cassie for what she did, but people seem to be so desensitized with Nate and think he's only doing what's expected of him that they end up forgetting that he's the biggest problem here. Realistically, I would react the same way Maddie did, because Cassie broke her trust and if someone you bonded with so much just broke your trust and got with your ex-ABUSIVE boyfriend, that would deeply hurt you, but Nate needs to take responsibility for his actions as well, not just Cassie. He ain't even facing any consequences despite being so much of a jack-ass. He only got beaten once meanwhile Cassie always needs to take blame even before this entire incident. Plus, people seem to forget about Cassie's passion for ice skating. Instead of making season 2 about her trying to find herself after all the heartbreak, regaining her love for ice skating and pursuing it. I know that putting her together with Nate creates more drama, making it more interesting to viewers and that's what they want, but it's also kinda demeaning to Cassie as a person. I'm being way too invested but like I'm just kinda sad, I wanted Cassie to grow but her world only fell apart, and yes she did questionable things in the past, I don't excuse any of her wrongdoings but the point is wanting to see her grow and since she's literally just a character so I believe they could have molded her differently. Also like someone said, her true love doesn't have to be a man, it could be anyone, it doesn't have to be romantic. As long as it helps her grow and uplifts her, helps her become a better person, then that's who you can consider her true love. It's so sad to see Maddie and Cassie pitted against each other; "Bitch you're my soulmate"😭😭😭
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  163. I don't want to excuse Cassie for what she did, but people seem to be so desensitized with Nate and think he's only doing what's expected of him that they end up forgetting that he's the biggest problem here. Realistically, I would react the same way Maddie did, because Cassie broke her trust and if someone you bonded with so much just broke your trust and got with your ex-ABUSIVE boyfriend, that would deeply hurt you, but Nate needs to take responsibility for his actions as well, not just Cassie. He ain't even facing any consequences despite being so much of a jack-ass. He only got beaten once meanwhile Cassie always needs to take blame even before this entire incident. Plus, people seem to forget about Cassie's passion for ice skating. Instead of making season 2 about her trying to find herself after all the heartbreak, regaining her love for ice skating and pursuing it. I know that putting her together with Nate creates more drama, making it more interesting to viewers and that's what they want, but it's also kinda demeaning to Cassie as a person. I'm being way too invested but like I'm just kinda sad, I wanted Cassie to grow but her world only fell apart, and yes she did questionable things in the past, I don't excuse any of her wrongdoings but the point is wanting to see her grow and since she's literally just a character so I believe they could have molded her differently. Also like someone said, her true love doesn't have to be a man, it could be anyone, it doesn't have to be romantic. As long as it helps her grow and uplifts her, helps her become a better person, then that's who you can consider her true love. It's so sad to see Maddie and Cassie pitted against each other; "Bitch you're my soulmate"😭😭😭
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  164.  @jellyjellywowie  It's so weird to me that a country as open sexually as Japan is would have such a hard time accepting sex when it's someone they know. I don't have any issue of a family member wanted to join the sex industry. The industry you choose doesn't matter. What matters is how well you run your business, if you're paying your bills, and if what you're doing brings you joy. Rubbing bodies together is not a shame. Bad sex is a shame. Getting caught in debt traps is a shame. Not knowing how to provide for yourself or how to adapt to do something different and or better is a shame. Sex as an industry shouldn't be a shame.
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  165.  @jellyjellywowie  I think parents needs to stop having this image or expectation of what they want their child turn to be. It’ll be a real disappointment knowing your kid did not lead your expectations and make their own path that you do not approve of. It doesn’t matter. Maybe do not have kids. If you can’t handle the fact if they end up trans, gay, p star, s worker, etc. Just don’t have kids. Anything can happen. They’re not going to be like you. Sorry. I know it’s a hard pill to swallow. Stop having kids just to make a mini me.
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  166. I love cassies character. Maybe I haven't seen a lot of movies but I haven't seen a lot of characters with mental problems depicted like she is. Like it's either the sweet anxious/depressed girl or the completely crazy one that's practically a joke. It's good to see a character who's spiralling deeper and deeper beyond help, hurting people around her, unable to break out of her habits even when she wants to. I've had depression too and been there, I want her to get better next season of course but it's sill kind of validating to watch? Weirdly enough. And I don't really mind the ppl who are angry with her, ppl aren't supposed to accommodate u just becuz you're mentally ill. U hv to clean up ur own shiet. And I like how even her family doesn't like her, like that's very real, you really can't expext anything when you're unstable. tbh
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  167.  @slevinchannel7589  I think what this analysis is missing is the impact having only one woman on screen in these movies has. One girl with one archetype and personality and appearance and that comes to fill the spot for every female, and she cant fit every role. If there were more female characters on screen that have a variety of fighting styles (DONE WELL) i think itd be more satisfying for everyone. Nothing wrong with Scar Jo being a sexy fem fatal type, it looks cool, but making that the only representation doesnt work well for everyone. Spiderman and thor dont have the same appeal you know
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  168. i agree with this
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  169. I love cassies character. Maybe I haven't seen a lot of movies but I haven't seen a lot of characters with mental problems depicted like she is. Like it's either the sweet anxious/depressed girl or the completely crazy one that's practically a joke. It's good to see a character who's spiralling deeper and deeper beyond help, hurting people around her, unable to break out of her habits even when she wants to. I've had depression too and been there, I want her to get better next season of course but it's sill kind of validating to watch? Weirdly enough. And I don't really mind the ppl who are angry with her, ppl aren't supposed to accommodate u just becuz you're mentally ill. U hv to clean up ur own shiet. And I like how even her family doesn't like her, like that's very real, you really can't expext anything when you're unstable.
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  170. I don't want to excuse Cassie for what she did, but people seem to be so desensitized with Nate and think he's only doing what's expected of him that they end up forgetting that he's the biggest problem here. Realistically, I would react the same way Maddie did, because Cassie broke her trust and if someone you bonded with so much just broke your trust and got with your ex-ABUSIVE boyfriend, that would deeply hurt you, but Nate needs to take responsibility for his actions as well, not just Cassie. He ain't even facing any consequences despite being so much of a jack-ass. He only got beaten once meanwhile Cassie always needs to take blame even before this entire incident. Plus, people seem to forget about Cassie's passion for ice skating. Instead of making season 2 about her trying to find herself after all the heartbreak, regaining her love for ice skating and pursuing it. I know that putting her together with Nate creates more drama, making it more interesting to viewers and that's what they want, but it's also kinda demeaning to Cassie as a person. I'm being way too invested but like I'm just kinda sad, I wanted Cassie to grow but her world only fell apart, and yes she did questionable things in the past, I don't excuse any of her wrongdoings but the point is wanting to see her grow and since she's literally just a character so I believe they could have molded her differently. Also like someone said, her true love doesn't have to be a man, it could be anyone, it doesn't have to be romantic. As long as it helps her grow and uplifts her, helps her become a better person, then that's who you can consider her true love. It's so sad to see Maddie and Cassie pitted against each other; "Bitch you're my soulmate"😭😭😭
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  171. Honestly, I think that all this hate for Cassie is really messy and toxic... The main message of the show is literally " we all make bad decision, but nonetheless we're able to improve ourself. We should be less judicious towards others and ourself". But most people apply this message on everyone but Cassie. We all know Cassie has her fair share of mistakes, but its so overlooked that Nate is a manipulative person, not just with Maddy. We should remember that Cassie was deeply depressed and fragile, she felt empty and lonely, i personally think that Nate took advantage of her vulnerability to forget his feelings. I cant understand how so many people underestimate his influence on Cassie while Maddy has INCRIMINATED an INNOCENT person only to protect Nate. Also, i found the Lesley's play down straight cruel and humiliating to Cassie, because for me it was done with no particular moral intent, but mostly with envy. This is pure slutshaming for me. I think that season 2 was too ipocrite with the initial message and i hate the way Cassie has been represented. The narrative is really too ambiguous with her, because it begans to make her look like a ridiculous villain instead of a more real and complex character. We have all forgive Rue, even though she had ruined her family's life, she used to be manipulative and a liar, because she was obviously hurt. And likewise happens with every other characters. So why people can't even try to empathize a little with what Cassie is going through? This seems kinda misogyny to me...ops
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  172. They did her SO DIRTY MAN, I love cassies character. Maybe I haven't seen a lot of movies but I haven't seen a lot of characters with mental problems depicted like she is. Like it's either the sweet anxious/depressed girl or the completely crazy one that's practically a joke. It's good to see a character who's spiralling deeper and deeper beyond help, hurting people around her, unable to break out of her habits even when she wants to. I've had depression too and been there, I want her to get better next season of course but it's sill kind of validating to watch? Weirdly enough. And I don't really mind the ppl who are angry with her, ppl aren't supposed to accommodate u just becuz you're mentally ill. U hv to clean up ur own shiet. And I like how even her family doesn't like her, like that's very real, you really can't expect anything when you're unstable. tbh
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  173.  @DesiCat789  I think what this analysis is missing is the impact having only one woman on screen in these movies has. One girl with one archetype and personality and appearance and that comes to fill the spot for every female, and she cant fit every role. If there were more female characters on screen that have a variety of fighting styles (DONE WELL) i think itd be more satisfying for everyone. Nothing wrong with Scar Jo being a sexy fem fatal type, it looks cool, but making that the only representation doesnt work well for everyone. Spiderman and thor dont have the same appeal you know
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  174.  @DesiCat789  thats very hypocritical of them to say that, SO a movie with all characters are male are fine but all female characters in a movie are somehow "political". I've seen plenty of animes with all female casts and nobody bats an eyes smh
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  175.  @DesiCat789  i couldnt give a shit if women outnumber men in a show, what i want is for them to have as much character depth and growth as men do, and unique characteristics that set them apart from each other. The problem i have is they just shove them in just to appeal to the female audience, telling them to settle for boring female characters because, LOOK "REPRESENTATION"
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  176.  @DesiCat789  And your points can be applied to LGBTQ characters as well, i want to see well-written gay people, the asexual, non-binary , etc...
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  177.  @DesiCat789  absolutely! Also, I feel like when people say that this is the only way to properly represent a woman, they are rejecting the fact that, this is why they’re such a spike in girls themselves as non-binary or transgender. It’s because when media presents this as pretty much the only way to be feminine, then they start to believe that, they are not feminine, and think that they are a different gender even. I used to think that myself, and if one’s belief is that gender is not a personality and therefore you can’t be transgender, and wires in the coming back of the logic that, you have to still portray all female characters as female Fatale
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  178.  @Helmutlozzi  Some comments make me wonder what would they say if instead of a daughter, it was a son. Even this father, like, if he had a son who is a pronstar, would he be in this video? I've read a lot of people talking about how ashamed female pronstars should be, but when it comes to male, it's totally different, i've even seen people joking about how every men's dream job is to become a pronstar from age 13. Imo, both can be good or bad, of course, it is more common to have women being degraded in pron videos, even if it is a vanilla one, but i'm sure that there are bad sides for any gender. At least, there are people trying to change this scenario, maybe one day people will stop saying so many bad things about women who want to and work as pronstars, and just think that they chose this job, because they like it.
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  179.  @AamuAurora  Some comments make me wonder what would they say if instead of a daughter, it was a son. Even this father, like, if he had a son who is a pronstar, would he be in this video? I've read a lot of people talking about how ashamed female pronstars should be, but when it comes to male, it's totally different, i've even seen people joking about how every men's dream job is to become a pronstar from age 13. Imo, both can be good or bad, of course, it is more common to have women being degraded in pron videos, even if it is a vanilla one, but i'm sure that there are bad sides for any gender. At least, there are people trying to change this scenario, maybe one day people will stop saying so many bad things about women who want to and work as pronstars, and just think that they chose this job, because they like it.
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  180.  @chickfilaemployee6149  Some comments make me wonder what would they say if instead of a daughter, it was a son. Even this father, like, if he had a son who is a pronstar, would he be in this video? I've read a lot of people talking about how ashamed female pronstars should be, but when it comes to male, it's totally different, i've even seen people joking about how every men's dream job is to become a pronstar from age 13. Imo, both can be good or bad, of course, it is more common to have women being degraded in pron videos, even if it is a vanilla one, but i'm sure that there are bad sides for any gender. At least, there are people trying to change this scenario, maybe one day people will stop saying so many bad things about women who want to and work as pronstars, and just think that they chose this job, because they like it.
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  181. Honestly, I think that all this hate for Cassie is really messy and toxic... The main message of the show is literally " we all make bad decision, but nonetheless we're able to improve ourself. We should be less judicious towards others and ourself". But most people apply this message on everyone but Cassie. We all know Cassie has her fair share of mistakes, but its so overlooked that Nate is a manipulative person, not just with Maddy. We should remember that Cassie was deeply depressed and fragile, she felt empty and lonely, i personally think that Nate took advantage of her vulnerability to forget his feelings. I cant understand how so many people underestimate his influence on Cassie while Maddy has INCRIMINATED an INNOCENT person only to protect Nate. Also, i found the Lesley's play down straight cruel and humiliating to Cassie, because for me it was done with no particular moral intent, but mostly with envy. This is pure slutshaming for me. I think that season 2 was too ipocrite with the initial message and i hate the way Cassie has been represented. The narrative is really too ambiguous with her, because it begans to make her look like a ridiculous villain instead of a more real and complex character. We have all forgive Rue, even though she had ruined her family's life, she used to be manipulative and a liar, because she was obviously hurt. And likewise happens with every other characters. So why people can't even try to empathize a little with what Cassie is going through? This seems kinda misogyny to me...ops
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  182. We don't have to vindicate the Other Woman in an attempt to de-villainise her. The Other Woman is a complex figure, and that's a good thing! It can be interesting to delve into exactly why she feels compelled to go after a married man. She could be used to reflect the patriarchal impulse to be "superior" to another woman by catering to a man's desires, she could be used to deconstruct the notion that women are automatically self-sacrificing romantics and (*gasp!*) can be selfish; in short, privileging her perspective is an opportunity to represent a real, flawed human being. But let's not make her into an angel... because no one is. 'Waitress' offers a good example of the Other Woman as a nuanced figure. Dr Pommater is in a relatively happy marriage (from the little we see of his wife there is nothing abusive about her), yet he cheats with the film/musical's protagonist, Jenna. Jenna is in an abusive relationship and has been stifled by her man-child husband and aborted ambitions - and the affair is a meaningful way of reclaiming her agency. But both the film and the musical show Jenna agonising over the affair and her acceptance that it is hurtful to Dr Pommater's wife even if it helped Jenna fight back against her abuser and get through an unplanned pregnancy. And that's life - women are not manipulative one-dimensional femme fatales vying for a married man out of nothing but sadism, they are people who should not be villified even if they are not absolved.
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  183. Some comments make me wonder what would they say if instead of a daughter, it was a son. Even this father, like, if he had a son who is a pronstar, would he be in this video? I've read a lot of people talking about how ashamed female pronstars should be, but when it comes to male, it's totally different, i've even seen people joking about how every men's dream job is to become a pronstar from age 13. Imo, both can be good or bad, of course, it is more common to have women being degraded in pron videos, even if it is a vanilla one, but i'm sure that there are bad sides for any gender. At least, there are people trying to change this scenario, maybe one day people will stop saying so many bad things about women who want to and work as pronstars, and just think that they chose this job, because they like it.
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  184. This comments section is the biggest yikes fest I have ever seen. Literally NOTHING but sex-shaming. We've got a whole lot of work to do when there are hundreds of people unifying around the notion that there is something wrong to consenting to do sex work. Being against sex work or ashamed of it will literally never make sense; the overwhelming majority of y'all aren't even virgins, and have likely had multiple partners, yet somebody choosing to take what you're already doing for free and turn it into a profit is somehow problematic? Even if you wanted to suggest that your sexual encounters were "special" and "not just with anybody," that's ignoring that that's simply YOUR choice, and that not everybody shares those values. On the other hand, that's also devaluing the joy of the work. Not every porn star JUST does it for the money; MANY sex workers do it BECAUSE it is also special for them, too. Perhaps not in the same way, but special nonetheless. Surely y'all understand that just because this is a Japanese channel, you don't actually have to BE like the Japanese, that is, ruthlessly close-minded and conservative, right? Not to mention, this notion the porn "follows" you is just being overly-simplistic. In much the same way that you can still find employment despite being fired from the five jobs you held prior, you can also find employment without your employer ever knowing you did sex work. Same too, you can also enter into meaningful relationships as well. Obviously, not everybody is comfortable dating somebody who is or was a sex worker, but then, I'm not comfortable dating close-minded sex-shaming assholes like the hundreds of y'all in the comments, so really, maybe we should just let people make their consensual choices and shut the actual fuck up if we don't personally agree with them, HMM?!
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  185. I think the argument is too black and white. Either its all female voodoo or a girly with an apes bod. Women don't need muscle to be strong, but they need more than a body to be a good character. I think Arcane does a spectacular job at writing women who are people before their gender. For instance the punching Powerhouse Vi, who beats the shit out of people. She punches before she thinks, but thats not because she's an angry feminist... she grew up in an environment where you had to fight to survive. Plus, she was in charge of her ragtag siblings, prepped to be a leader by her adoptive father. The difference is that seducing people and then beating them up won't really work for the problems she faces. So, conditions effect character. Black windows tactic works with the conditions of a modern world, and kinda points out the flaws in the men she seduces rather than her seducing. The problem is that marvel is trying to appeal more to kids so they gotta water down characters a bit. She's a morally grey character and that's why she's cool. It's not about being more manly because men exist in different conditions. I think if we want to see a more human side to black window, they could maybe show how she feels about her tactic, make her get fed up and lash out because changing the character without confronting the conditioned behavior washes away the humanity.
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  186. I love cassies character. Maybe I haven't seen a lot of movies but I haven't seen a lot of characters with mental problems depicted like she is. Like it's either the sweet anxious/depressed girl or the completely crazy one that's practically a joke. It's good to see a character who's spiralling deeper and deeper beyond help, hurting people around her, unable to break out of her habits even when she wants to. I've had depression too and been there, I want her to get better next season of course but it's sill kind of validating to watch? Weirdly enough. And I don't really mind the ppl who are angry with her, ppl aren't supposed to accommodate u just becuz you're mentally ill. U hv to clean up ur own shiet. And I like how even her family doesn't like her, like that's very real, you really can't expect anything when you're unstable. tbh
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  187.  @fran791  Honestly, I think that all this hate for Cassie is really messy and toxic... The main message of the show is literally " we all make bad decision, but nonetheless we're able to improve ourself. We should be less judicious towards others and ourself". But most people apply this message on everyone but Cassie. We all know Cassie has her fair share of mistakes, but its so overlooked that Nate is a manipulative person, not just with Maddy. We should remember that Cassie was deeply depressed and fragile, she felt empty and lonely, i personally think that Nate took advantage of her vulnerability to forget his feelings. I cant understand how so many people underestimate his influence on Cassie while Maddy has INCRIMINATED an INNOCENT person only to protect Nate. Also, i found the Lesley's play down straight cruel and humiliating to Cassie, because for me it was done with no particular moral intent, but mostly with envy. This is pure slutshaming for me. I think that season 2 was too ipocrite with the initial message and i hate the way Cassie has been represented. The narrative is really too ambiguous with her, because it begans to make her look like a ridiculous villain instead of a more real and complex character. We have all forgive Rue, even though she had ruined her family's life, she used to be manipulative and a liar, because she was obviously hurt. And likewise happens with every other characters. So why people can't even try to empathize a little with what Cassie is going through? This seems kinda misogyny to me...ops
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  188. I'm a Singaporean, i can tell u what my friends says that if u are single, u wish you are married. But when u are married, u wish u were single again. The grass is always greener on the other side
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  189. Honestly, I think that all this hate for Cassie is really messy and toxic... The main message of the show is literally " we all make bad decision, but nonetheless we're able to improve ourself. We should be less judicious towards others and ourself". But most people apply this message on everyone but Cassie. We all know Cassie has her fair share of mistakes, but its so overlooked that Nate is a manipulative person, not just with Maddy. We should remember that Cassie was deeply depressed and fragile, she felt empty and lonely, i personally think that Nate took advantage of her vulnerability to forget his feelings. I cant understand how so many people underestimate his influence on Cassie while Maddy has INCRIMINATED an INNOCENT person only to protect Nate. Also, i found the Lesley's play down straight cruel and humiliating to Cassie, because for me it was done with no particular moral intent, but mostly with envy. This is pure slutshaming for me. I think that season 2 was too ipocrite with the initial message and i hate the way Cassie has been represented. The narrative is really too ambiguous with her, because it begans to make her look like a ridiculous villain instead of a more real and complex character. We have all forgive Rue, even though she had ruined her family's life, she used to be manipulative and a liar, because she was obviously hurt. And likewise happens with every other characters. So why people can't even try to empathize a little with what Cassie is going through? This seems kinda misogyny to me...ops
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  190. Honestly, I think that all this hate for Cassie is really messy and toxic... The main message of the show is literally " we all make bad decision, but nonetheless we're able to improve ourself. We should be less judicious towards others and ourself". But most people apply this message on everyone but Cassie. We all know Cassie has her fair share of mistakes, but its so overlooked that Nate is a manipulative person, not just with Maddy. We should remember that Cassie was deeply depressed and fragile, she felt empty and lonely, i personally think that Nate took advantage of her vulnerability to forget his feelings. I cant understand how so many people underestimate his influence on Cassie while Maddy has INCRIMINATED an INNOCENT person only to protect Nate. Also, i found the Lesley's play down straight cruel and humiliating to Cassie, because for me it was done with no particular moral intent, but mostly with envy. This is pure slutshaming for me. I think that season 2 was too ipocrite with the initial message and i hate the way Cassie has been represented. The narrative is really too ambiguous with her, because it begans to make her look like a ridiculous villain instead of a more real and complex character. We have all forgive Rue, even though she had ruined her family's life, she used to be manipulative and a liar, because she was obviously hurt. And likewise happens with every other characters. So why people can't even try to empathize a little with what Cassie is going through? This seems kinda misogyny to me...ops
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  191.  @dr7143  First study (By Family Studies): shows a drop from 73% to about 65% if you have 2 other partners prior to marriage, but then essentially stays at that level through up to 10 previous partners. But what does that prove since the vast majority of men AND women in western society have had sex with multiple partners by the time they married AND marriages NOW are taking place much later. So, did this study control for the age of the women? Did the study control for religiosity since women marrying with no previous sex partners may have had arranged marriages. I'm not convinced at all (from the graph alone) that the study methodology is convincing that there is a difference between no pre-marital partners and TEN pre-marital partners. :). Looking at the second study (Family Study; 5 year prediction of divorce by number of people spouses slept with prior to marriage). I'm in the biz of sociology/psychology so am reasonably familiar with research. I don't have the actual study in front of me, but the graph alone is problematic. Notice how you go from 5% chance of divorce if 0 previous partners jumping to 20% if 1 previous partner, then 30% if 2 previous partners, but then after that, an actual drop off to 25% if you've had 10 or more partners pre-marriage! So if pre-marital sex with others is a factor there should be a consistent rise on the x/y axes (if 1-2 makes a difference, then even more should make more difference). But that's not shown here, so I'm not convinced that this study has proven anything.
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  192. Honestly, I think that all this hate for Cassie is really messy and toxic... The main message of the show is literally " we all make bad decision, but nonetheless we're able to improve ourself. We should be less judicious towards others and ourself". But most people apply this message on everyone but Cassie. We all know Cassie has her fair share of mistakes, but its so overlooked that Nate is a manipulative person, not just with Maddy. We should remember that Cassie was deeply depressed and fragile, she felt empty and lonely, i personally think that Nate took advantage of her vulnerability to forget his feelings. I cant understand how so many people underestimate his influence on Cassie while Maddy has INCRIMINATED an INNOCENT person only to protect Nate. Also, i found the Lesley's play down straight cruel and humiliating to Cassie, because for me it was done with no particular moral intent, but mostly with envy. This is pure slutshaming for me. I think that season 2 was too ipocrite with the initial message and i hate the way Cassie has been represented. The narrative is really too ambiguous with her, because it begans to make her look like a ridiculous villain instead of a more real and complex character. We have all forgive Rue, even though she had ruined her family's life, she used to be manipulative and a liar, because she was obviously hurt. And likewise happens with every other characters. So why people can't even try to empathize a little with what Cassie is going through? This seems kinda misogyny to me...ops
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  193.  @iwillgowiththatcat8667  Some comments make me wonder what would they say if instead of a daughter, it was a son. Even this father, like, if he had a son who is a pronstar, would he be in this video? I've read a lot of people talking about how ashamed female pronstars should be, but when it comes to male, it's totally different, i've even seen people joking about how every men's dream job is to become a pronstar from age 13. Imo, both can be good or bad, of course, it is more common to have women being degraded in pron videos, even if it is a vanilla one, but i'm sure that there are bad sides for any gender. At least, there are people trying to change this scenario, maybe one day people will stop saying so many bad things about women who want to and work as pronstars, and just think that they chose this job, because they like it.
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  194. Honestly, I think that all this hate for Cassie is really messy and toxic... The main message of the show is literally " we all make bad decision, but nonetheless we're able to improve ourself. We should be less judicious towards others and ourself". But most people apply this message on everyone but Cassie. We all know Cassie has her fair share of mistakes, but its so overlooked that Nate is a manipulative person, not just with Maddy. We should remember that Cassie was deeply depressed and fragile, she felt empty and lonely, i personally think that Nate took advantage of her vulnerability to forget his feelings. I cant understand how so many people underestimate his influence on Cassie while Maddy has INCRIMINATED an INNOCENT person only to protect Nate. Also, i found the Lesley's play down straight cruel and humiliating to Cassie, because for me it was done with no particular moral intent, but mostly with envy. This is pure slutshaming for me. I think that season 2 was too ipocrite with the initial message and i hate the way Cassie has been represented. The narrative is really too ambiguous with her, because it begans to make her look like a ridiculous villain instead of a more real and complex character. We have all forgive Rue, even though she had ruined her family's life, she used to be manipulative and a liar, because she was obviously hurt. And likewise happens with every other characters. So why people can't even try to empathize a little with what Cassie is going through? This seems kinda misogyny to me...ops
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  195. They did her SO DIRTY MAN, I love cassies character. Maybe I haven't seen a lot of movies but I haven't seen a lot of characters with mental problems depicted like she is. Like it's either the sweet anxious/depressed girl or the completely crazy one that's practically a joke. It's good to see a character who's spiralling deeper and deeper beyond help, hurting people around her, unable to break out of her habits even when she wants to. I've had depression too and been there, I want her to get better next season of course but it's sill kind of validating to watch? Weirdly enough. And I don't really mind the ppl who are angry with her, ppl aren't supposed to accommodate u just becuz you're mentally ill. U hv to clean up ur own shiet. And I like how even her family doesn't like her, like that's very real, you really can't expect anything when you're unstable. tbh
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  196. This comments section is the biggest yikes fest I have ever seen. Literally NOTHING but sex-shaming. We've got a whole lot of work to do when there are hundreds of people unifying around the notion that there is something wrong to consenting to do sex work. Being against sex work or ashamed of it will literally never make sense; the overwhelming majority of y'all aren't even virgins, and have likely had multiple partners, yet somebody choosing to take what you're already doing for free and turn it into a profit is somehow problematic? Even if you wanted to suggest that your sexual encounters were "special" and "not just with anybody," that's ignoring that that's simply YOUR choice, and that not everybody shares those values. On the other hand, that's also devaluing the joy of the work. Not every porn star JUST does it for the money; MANY sex workers do it BECAUSE it is also special for them, too. Perhaps not in the same way, but special nonetheless. Surely y'all understand that just because this is a Japanese channel, you don't actually have to BE like the Japanese, that is, ruthlessly close-minded and conservative, right? Not to mention, this notion the porn "follows" you is just being overly-simplistic. In much the same way that you can still find employment despite being fired from the five jobs you held prior, you can also find employment without your employer ever knowing you did sex work. Same too, you can also enter into meaningful relationships as well. Obviously, not everybody is comfortable dating somebody who is or was a sex worker, but then, I'm not comfortable dating close-minded sex-shaming assholes like the hundreds of y'all in the comments, so really, maybe we should just let people make their consensual choices and shut the actual fuck up if we don't personally agree with them, HMM?!
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  197. I love cassies character. Maybe I haven't seen a lot of movies but I haven't seen a lot of characters with mental problems depicted like she is. Like it's either the sweet anxious/depressed girl or the completely crazy one that's practically a joke. It's good to see a character who's spiralling deeper and deeper beyond help, hurting people around her, unable to break out of her habits even when she wants to. I've had depression too and been there, I want her to get better next season of course but it's sill kind of validating to watch? Weirdly enough. And I don't really mind the ppl who are angry with her, ppl aren't supposed to accommodate u just becuz you're mentally ill. U hv to clean up ur own shiet. And I like how even her family doesn't like her, like that's very real, you really can't expect anything when you're unstable. tbh
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  198.  @journeytrials  Some comments make me wonder what would they say if instead of a daughter, it was a son. Even this father, like, if he had a son who is a pronstar, would he be in this video? I've read a lot of people talking about how ashamed female pronstars should be, but when it comes to male, it's totally different, i've even seen people joking about how every men's dream job is to become a pronstar from age 13. Imo, both can be good or bad, of course, it is more common to have women being degraded in pron videos, even if it is a vanilla one, but i'm sure that there are bad sides for any gender. At least, there are people trying to change this scenario, maybe one day people will stop saying so many bad things about women who want to and work as pronstars, and just think that they chose this job, because they like it.
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  199.  @journeytrials  Some comments make me wonder what would they say if instead of a daughter, it was a son. Even this father, like, if he had a son who is a pronstar, would he be in this video? I've read a lot of people talking about how ashamed female pronstars should be, but when it comes to male, it's totally different, i've even seen people joking about how every men's dream job is to become a pronstar from age 13. Imo, both can be good or bad, of course, it is more common to have women being degraded in pron videos, even if it is a vanilla one, but i'm sure that there are bad sides for any gender. At least, there are people trying to change this scenario, maybe one day people will stop saying so many bad things about women who want to and work as pronstars, and just think that they chose this job, because they like it.
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  200.  @the_rush_to_nothing  I say this, I have met women who have had multiple sexual partners, have repented of their past behavior and make excellent mothers and wives. I have also met women who have married as virgins and become bitter, callus, and unfaithful in their marriages. Personally, my marriage ended from a woman who was unfaithful to me and we did it “the right way.” I am not saying multiple partner women or virgins are better, but I am saying see where she is at now. Where is her mind at now. What does she think of her past now. These things matter more holistically.
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  201.  @emmanueljuma5420  When a woman is still single, it doesn’t mean she is a loser or not liked. Some of them just want to work on their career and whatever they like and they do not prioritize relationship yet. Some just don’t care because they haven’t met the person they like, they have high standards. Tbh, it is better to work on yourself and you’ll meet the right person at the right time. Sometimes the people that rush in relationships just because of peer pressure or they like the thought of love are miserable. Like some of those who get married. They get married because they like the thought of it, the wedding, not being a “loser” before they pass the age 30, etc but in reality, as times passes by they cannot accept the cons in marriage. They can end up fighting, divorce, etc. It’s good not to rush in being in a relationship. Work on yourself and everything will fall in place. :) Don’t let others pressure you. They’re not the one who will live your life. I noticed most people I know get pressured easily and are afraid to not be in a relationship. When someone is beautiful, people will say, “oh she has high standards so she might be single forever. “ If the girl is not that good looking according to their beauty standard, they will say,”not pretty…no guy will like her.” Most people will have unsolicited advices. So I hope you do not live by what they say. Be in a relationship to be HAPPIER. not to be happy but HAPPIER. :)
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  202.  @emmanueljuma5420  thank you
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  203. Honestly, I think that all this hate for Cassie is really messy and toxic... The main message of the show is literally " we all make bad decision, but nonetheless we're able to improve ourself. We should be less judicious towards others and ourself". But most people apply this message on everyone but Cassie. We all know Cassie has her fair share of mistakes, but its so overlooked that Nate is a manipulative person, not just with Maddy. We should remember that Cassie was deeply depressed and fragile, she felt empty and lonely, i personally think that Nate took advantage of her vulnerability to forget his feelings. I cant understand how so many people underestimate his influence on Cassie while Maddy has INCRIMINATED an INNOCENT person only to protect Nate. Also, i found the Lesley's play down straight cruel and humiliating to Cassie, because for me it was done with no particular moral intent, but mostly with envy. This is pure slutshaming for me. I think that season 2 was too ipocrite with the initial message and i hate the way Cassie has been represented. The narrative is really too ambiguous with her, because it begans to make her look like a ridiculous villain instead of a more real and complex character. We have all forgive Rue, even though she had ruined her family's life, she used to be manipulative and a liar, because she was obviously hurt. And likewise happens with every other characters. So why people can't even try to empathize a little with what Cassie is going through? This seems kinda misogyny to me...ops
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  204. I love cassies character. Maybe I haven't seen a lot of movies but I haven't seen a lot of characters with mental problems depicted like she is. Like it's either the sweet anxious/depressed girl or the completely crazy one that's practically a joke. It's good to see a character who's spiralling deeper and deeper beyond help, hurting people around her, unable to break out of her habits even when she wants to. I've had depression too and been there, I want her to get better next season of course but it's sill kind of validating to watch? Weirdly enough. And I don't really mind the ppl who are angry with her, ppl aren't supposed to accommodate u just becuz you're mentally ill. U hv to clean up ur own shiet. And I like how even her family doesn't like her, like that's very real, you really can't expect anything when you're unstable. tbh
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  205. Honestly, I think that all this hate for Cassie is really messy and toxic... The main message of the show is literally " we all make bad decision, but nonetheless we're able to improve ourself. We should be less judicious towards others and ourself". But most people apply this message on everyone but Cassie. We all know Cassie has her fair share of mistakes, but its so overlooked that Nate is a manipulative person, not just with Maddy. We should remember that Cassie was deeply depressed and fragile, she felt empty and lonely, i personally think that Nate took advantage of her vulnerability to forget his feelings. I cant understand how so many people underestimate his influence on Cassie while Maddy has INCRIMINATED an INNOCENT person only to protect Nate. Also, i found the Lesley's play down straight cruel and humiliating to Cassie, because for me it was done with no particular moral intent, but mostly with envy. This is pure slutshaming for me. I think that season 2 was too ipocrite with the initial message and i hate the way Cassie has been represented. The narrative is really too ambiguous with her, because it begans to make her look like a ridiculous villain instead of a more real and complex character. We have all forgive Rue, even though she had ruined her family's life, she used to be manipulative and a liar, because she was obviously hurt. And likewise happens with every other characters. So why people can't even try to empathize a little with what Cassie is going through? This seems kinda misogyny to me...ops
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  206. I love cassies character. Maybe I haven't seen a lot of movies but I haven't seen a lot of characters with mental problems depicted like she is. Like it's either the sweet anxious/depressed girl or the completely crazy one that's practically a joke. It's good to see a character who's spiralling deeper and deeper beyond help, hurting people around her, unable to break out of her habits even when she wants to. I've had depression too and been there, I want her to get better next season of course but it's sill kind of validating to watch? Weirdly enough. And I don't really mind the ppl who are angry with her, ppl aren't supposed to accommodate u just becuz you're mentally ill. U hv to clean up ur own shiet. And I like how even her family doesn't like her, like that's very real, you really can't expext anything when you're unstable. tbh
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  207. i agree with this 100%
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  208. I think the argument is too black and white. Either its all female voodoo or a girly with an apes bod. Women don't need muscle to be strong, but they need more than a body to be a good character. I think Arcane does a spectacular job at writing women who are people before their gender. For instance the punching Powerhouse Vi, who beats the shit out of people. She punches before she thinks, but thats not because she's an angry feminist... she grew up in an environment where you had to fight to survive. Plus, she was in charge of her ragtag siblings, prepped to be a leader by her adoptive father. The difference is that seducing people and then beating them up won't really work for the problems she faces. So, conditions effect character. Black windows tactic works with the conditions of a modern world, and kinda points out the flaws in the men she seduces rather than her seducing. The problem is that marvel is trying to appeal more to kids so they gotta water down characters a bit. She's a morally grey character and that's why she's cool. It's not about being more manly because men exist in different conditions. I think if we want to see a more human side to black window, they could maybe show how she feels about her tactic, make her get fed up and lash out because changing the character without confronting the conditioned behavior washes away the humanity.
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  209.  @MChantal76  We don't have to vindicate the Other Woman in an attempt to de-villainise her. The Other Woman is a complex figure, and that's a good thing! It can be interesting to delve into exactly why she feels compelled to go after a married man. She could be used to reflect the patriarchal impulse to be "superior" to another woman by catering to a man's desires, she could be used to deconstruct the notion that women are automatically self-sacrificing romantics and (*gasp!*) can be selfish; in short, privileging her perspective is an opportunity to represent a real, flawed human being. But let's not make her into an angel... because no one is. 'Waitress' offers a good example of the Other Woman as a nuanced figure. Dr Pommater is in a relatively happy marriage (from the little we see of his wife there is nothing abusive about her), yet he cheats with the film/musical's protagonist, Jenna. Jenna is in an abusive relationship and has been stifled by her man-child husband and aborted ambitions - and the affair is a meaningful way of reclaiming her agency. But both the film and the musical show Jenna agonising over the affair and her acceptance that it is hurtful to Dr Pommater's wife even if it helped Jenna fight back against her abuser and get through an unplanned pregnancy. And that's life - women are not manipulative one-dimensional femme fatales vying for a married man out of nothing but sadism, they are people who should not be villified even if they are not absolved.
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  210.  @studytime1575  The part about how actually relatable Cassie's behavior is to young girl's is true for some people. I've seen this behavior but also amongst grown-ups. I've done this myself to some degree but I could never loose myself for someone else. A bit like Maddy but not completely. Which is why I am so disappointed at Cassie but still gets her. And it's often because of this patriarchal society brainwashing everyone, with an uterus, to behave that way while at the same time shaming us for doing it too. Damn if you do, damn if you don't. And it does tells us, no matter what gender, to loose ourselves into this one person because that's true love. No that's what's called toxic monogamy.
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  211. I love cassies character. Maybe I haven't seen a lot of movies but I haven't seen a lot of characters with mental problems depicted like she is. Like it's either the sweet anxious/depressed girl or the completely crazy one that's practically a joke. It's good to see a character who's spiralling deeper and deeper beyond help, hurting people around her, unable to break out of her habits even when she wants to. I've had depression too and been there, I want her to get better next season of course but it's sill kind of validating to watch? Weirdly enough. And I don't really mind the ppl who are angry with her, ppl aren't supposed to accommodate u just becuz you're mentally ill. U hv to clean up ur own shiet. And I like how even her family doesn't like her, like that's very real, you really can't expext anything when you're unstable. tbh
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  212.  @GhostxInxThexDust  Honestly, I think that all this hate for Cassie is really messy and toxic... The main message of the show is literally " we all make bad decision, but nonetheless we're able to improve ourself. We should be less judicious towards others and ourself". But most people apply this message on everyone but Cassie. We all know Cassie has her fair share of mistakes, but its so overlooked that Nate is a manipulative person, not just with Maddy. We should remember that Cassie was deeply depressed and fragile, she felt empty and lonely, i personally think that Nate took advantage of her vulnerability to forget his feelings. I cant understand how so many people underestimate his influence on Cassie while Maddy has INCRIMINATED an INNOCENT person only to protect Nate. Also, i found the Lesley's play down straight cruel and humiliating to Cassie, because for me it was done with no particular moral intent, but mostly with envy. This is pure slutshaming for me. I think that season 2 was too ipocrite with the initial message and i hate the way Cassie has been represented. The narrative is really too ambiguous with her, because it begans to make her look like a ridiculous villain instead of a more real and complex character. We have all forgive Rue, even though she had ruined her family's life, she used to be manipulative and a liar, because she was obviously hurt. And likewise happens with every other characters. So why people can't even try to empathize a little with what Cassie is going through? This seems kinda misogyny to me...ops
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  213. @Lyba 🦋 i agree with this 100% lol
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  214.  @affentat8723  Let me go against the grain here with regards to the popular opinion in the comment section. There is nothing degrading about being a sex worker, sex work does not make you a lesser person or less educated and while you might end up being on the internet forever, as long as society doesn't judge you, that shouldn't be a big deal. Would I want my child (daughter OR SON) doing this stuff? No. Why? I don't trust some of the higher ups in these industries. Some of these people are shady and treat women particularly like crap. But that could improve and has made significant progress as more women started to take control. My second main reason is the misogyny my daughter would face by both men AND women (including Feminists) for simply recording and distributing something that most people do. Some of these women, maybe not in Japan but in America and Europe, make ridiculous amounts of money by simply showing the physical intimacy I their monogamous relationship between themselves and their partner. They're doing the same things they'd do, just recording and distributing it for tens of thousands to hundreds of thousands of dollars. Why does this affect them with regards to how they are perceived? Why should this affect them with regards to getting a job or running for office? How are they inherently bad people because they filmed themselves f*ck?
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  215. Some comments make me wonder what would they say if instead of a daughter, it was a son. Even this father, like, if he had a son who is a pronstar, would he be in this video? I've read a lot of people talking about how ashamed female pronstars should be, but when it comes to male, it's totally different, i've even seen people joking about how every men's dream job is to become a pronstar from age 13. Imo, both can be good or bad, of course, it is more common to have women being degraded in pron videos, even if it is a vanilla one, but i'm sure that there are bad sides for any gender. At least, there are people trying to change this scenario, maybe one day people will stop saying so many bad things about women who want to and work as pronstars, and just think that they chose this job, because they like it.
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  216.  @lumilenm__m5304  I don't want to excuse Cassie for what she did, but people seem to be so desensitized with Nate and think he's only doing what's expected of him that they end up forgetting that he's the biggest problem here. Realistically, I would react the same way Maddie did, because Cassie broke her trust and if someone you bonded with so much just broke your trust and got with your ex-ABUSIVE boyfriend, that would deeply hurt you, but Nate needs to take responsibility for his actions as well, not just Cassie. He ain't even facing any consequences despite being so much of a jack-ass. He only got beaten once meanwhile Cassie always needs to take blame even before this entire incident. Plus, people seem to forget about Cassie's passion for ice skating. Instead of making season 2 about her trying to find herself after all the heartbreak, regaining her love for ice skating and pursuing it. I know that putting her together with Nate creates more drama, making it more interesting to viewers and that's what they want, but it's also kinda demeaning to Cassie as a person. I'm being way too invested but like I'm just kinda sad, I wanted Cassie to grow but her world only fell apart, and yes she did questionable things in the past, I don't excuse any of her wrongdoings but the point is wanting to see her grow and since she's literally just a character so I believe they could have molded her differently. Also like someone said, her true love doesn't have to be a man, it could be anyone, it doesn't have to be romantic. As long as it helps her grow and uplifts her, helps her become a better person, then that's who you can consider her true love. It's so sad to see Maddie and Cassie pitted against each other; "Bitch you're my soulmate"😭😭😭
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  217. Honestly, I think that all this hate for Cassie is really messy and toxic... The main message of the show is literally " we all make bad decision, but nonetheless we're able to improve ourself. We should be less judicious towards others and ourself". But most people apply this message on everyone but Cassie. We all know Cassie has her fair share of mistakes, but its so overlooked that Nate is a manipulative person, not just with Maddy. We should remember that Cassie was deeply depressed and fragile, she felt empty and lonely, i personally think that Nate took advantage of her vulnerability to forget his feelings. I cant understand how so many people underestimate his influence on Cassie while Maddy has INCRIMINATED an INNOCENT person only to protect Nate. Also, i found the Lesley's play down straight cruel and humiliating to Cassie, because for me it was done with no particular moral intent, but mostly with envy. This is pure slutshaming for me. I think that season 2 was too ipocrite with the initial message and i hate the way Cassie has been represented. The narrative is really too ambiguous with her, because it begans to make her look like a ridiculous villain instead of a more real and complex character. We have all forgive Rue, even though she had ruined her family's life, she used to be manipulative and a liar, because she was obviously hurt. And likewise happens with every other characters. So why people can't even try to empathize a little with what Cassie is going through? This seems kinda misogyny to me...ops
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  218. 3:20 I'm sorry but this graph is complete BS. It doesnt show how many women/men are in each of the "how many partners" groups, this could explain why it goes up after 4 partners then down and then up again. It is also obvious that you are more happy if you only ever had one partner, because you dont have any comparison to another relationship. It would also be important to know how the question was phrased...if it was just like "Are you happy in your marriage?" then there is no correlation to the number of partners they had, because the reason for their unhappiness in the moment they were asked could be anything
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  219.  @DBtheGhost2  Let me go against the grain here with regards to the popular opinion in the comment section. There is nothing degrading about being a sex worker, sex work does not make you a lesser person or less educated and while you might end up being on the internet forever, as long as society doesn't judge you, that shouldn't be a big deal. Would I want my child (daughter OR SON) doing this stuff? No. Why? I don't trust some of the higher ups in these industries. Some of these people are shady and treat women particularly like crap. But that could improve and has made significant progress as more women started to take control. My second main reason is the misogyny my daughter would face by both men AND women (including Feminists) for simply recording and distributing something that most people do. Some of these women, maybe not in Japan but in America and Europe, make ridiculous amounts of money by simply showing the physical intimacy I their monogamous relationship between themselves and their partner. They're doing the same things they'd do, just recording and distributing it for tens of thousands to hundreds of thousands of dollars. Why does this affect them with regards to how they are perceived? Why should this affect them with regards to getting a job or running for office? How are they inherently bad people because they filmed themselves f*ck?
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  220.  @yourmissingc0ckring759  Some comments make me wonder what would they say if instead of a daughter, it was a son. Even this father, like, if he had a son who is a pronstar, would he be in this video? I've read a lot of people talking about how ashamed female pronstars should be, but when it comes to male, it's totally different, i've even seen people joking about how every men's dream job is to become a pronstar from age 13. Imo, both can be good or bad, of course, it is more common to have women being degraded in pron videos, even if it is a vanilla one, but i'm sure that there are bad sides for any gender. At least, there are people trying to change this scenario, maybe one day people will stop saying so many bad things about women who want to and work as pronstars, and just think that they chose this job, because they like it.
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  221.  @trinsit  Some comments make me wonder what would they say if instead of a daughter, it was a son. Even this father, like, if he had a son who is a pronstar, would he be in this video? I've read a lot of people talking about how ashamed female pronstars should be, but when it comes to male, it's totally different, i've even seen people joking about how every men's dream job is to become a pronstar from age 13. Imo, both can be good or bad, of course, it is more common to have women being degraded in pron videos, even if it is a vanilla one, but i'm sure that there are bad sides for any gender. At least, there are people trying to change this scenario, maybe one day people will stop saying so many bad things about women who want to and work as pronstars, and just think that they chose this job, because they like it.
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  222. Honestly, I think that all this hate for Cassie is really messy and toxic... The main message of the show is literally " we all make bad decision, but nonetheless we're able to improve ourself. We should be less judicious towards others and ourself". But most people apply this message on everyone but Cassie. We all know Cassie has her fair share of mistakes, but its so overlooked that Nate is a manipulative person, not just with Maddy. We should remember that Cassie was deeply depressed and fragile, she felt empty and lonely, i personally think that Nate took advantage of her vulnerability to forget his feelings. I cant understand how so many people underestimate his influence on Cassie while Maddy has INCRIMINATED an INNOCENT person only to protect Nate. Also, i found the Lesley's play down straight cruel and humiliating to Cassie, because for me it was done with no particular moral intent, but mostly with envy. This is pure slutshaming for me. I think that season 2 was too ipocrite with the initial message and i hate the way Cassie has been represented. The narrative is really too ambiguous with her, because it begans to make her look like a ridiculous villain instead of a more real and complex character. We have all forgive Rue, even though she had ruined her family's life, she used to be manipulative and a liar, because she was obviously hurt. And likewise happens with every other characters. So why people can't even try to empathize a little with what Cassie is going through? This seems kinda misogyny to me...ops
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  223. i agree with this 100%
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  224.  @mccombo1512  It's so weird to me that a country as open sexually as Japan is would have such a hard time accepting sex when it's someone they know. I don't have any issue of a family member wanted to join the sex industry. The industry you choose doesn't matter. What matters is how well you run your business, if you're paying your bills, and if what you're doing brings you joy. Rubbing bodies together is not a shame. Bad sex is a shame. Getting caught in debt traps is a shame. Not knowing how to provide for yourself or how to adapt to do something different and or better is a shame. Sex as an industry shouldn't be a shame.
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  225. Some comments make me wonder what would they say if instead of a daughter, it was a son. Even this father, like, if he had a son who is a pronstar, would he be in this video? I've read a lot of people talking about how ashamed female pronstars should be, but when it comes to male, it's totally different, i've even seen people joking about how every men's dream job is to become a pronstar from age 13. Imo, both can be good or bad, of course, it is more common to have women being degraded in pron videos, even if it is a vanilla one, but i'm sure that there are bad sides for any gender. At least, there are people trying to change this scenario, maybe one day people will stop saying so many bad things about women who want to and work as pronstars, and just think that they chose this job, because they like it.
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  226. .......
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  227. Honestly, I think that all this hate for Cassie is really messy and toxic... The main message of the show is literally " we all make bad decision, but nonetheless we're able to improve ourself. We should be less judicious towards others and ourself". But most people apply this message on everyone but Cassie. We all know Cassie has her fair share of mistakes, but its so overlooked that Nate is a manipulative person, not just with Maddy. We should remember that Cassie was deeply depressed and fragile, she felt empty and lonely, i personally think that Nate took advantage of her vulnerability to forget his feelings. I cant understand how so many people underestimate his influence on Cassie while Maddy has INCRIMINATED an INNOCENT person only to protect Nate. Also, i found the Lesley's play down straight cruel and humiliating to Cassie, because for me it was done with no particular moral intent, but mostly with envy. This is pure slutshaming for me. I think that season 2 was too ipocrite with the initial message and i hate the way Cassie has been represented. The narrative is really too ambiguous with her, because it begans to make her look like a ridiculous villain instead of a more real and complex character. We have all forgive Rue, even though she had ruined her family's life, she used to be manipulative and a liar, because she was obviously hurt. And likewise happens with every other characters. So why people can't even try to empathize a little with what Cassie is going through? This seems kinda misogyny to me...ops
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  228.  @raphaelhemery152  i know, right ?
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  229. I love cassies character. Maybe I haven't seen a lot of movies but I haven't seen a lot of characters with mental problems depicted like she is. Like it's either the sweet anxious/depressed girl or the completely crazy one that's practically a joke. It's good to see a character who's spiralling deeper and deeper beyond help, hurting people around her, unable to break out of her habits even when she wants to. I've had depression too and been there, I want her to get better next season of course but it's sill kind of validating to watch? Weirdly enough. And I don't really mind the ppl who are angry with her, ppl aren't supposed to accommodate u just becuz you're mentally ill. U hv to clean up ur own shiet. And I like how even her family doesn't like her, like that's very real, you really can't expect anything when you're unstable. tbh
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  230. I love cassies character. Maybe I haven't seen a lot of movies but I haven't seen a lot of characters with mental problems depicted like she is. Like it's either the sweet anxious/depressed girl or the completely crazy one that's practically a joke. It's good to see a character who's spiralling deeper and deeper beyond help, hurting people around her, unable to break out of her habits even when she wants to. I've had depression too and been there, I want her to get better next season of course but it's sill kind of validating to watch? Weirdly enough. And I don't really mind the ppl who are angry with her, ppl aren't supposed to accommodate u just becuz you're mentally ill. U hv to clean up ur own shiet. And I like how even her family doesn't like her, like that's very real, you really can't expect anything when you're unstable. tbh
    2
  231. Some comments make me wonder what would they say if instead of a daughter, it was a son. Even this father, like, if he had a son who is a pronstar, would he be in this video? I've read a lot of people talking about how ashamed female pronstars should be, but when it comes to male, it's totally different, i've even seen people joking about how every men's dream job is to become a pronstar from age 13. Imo, both can be good or bad, of course, it is more common to have women being degraded in pron videos, even if it is a vanilla one, but i'm sure that there are bad sides for any gender. At least, there are people trying to change this scenario, maybe one day people will stop saying so many bad things about women who want to and work as pronstars, and just think that they chose this job, because they like it.
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  232. Idk what to think of this comment section, there’s so many very well thought out and argued points and analysis, but also so much ”Yeah scarjo’s an idiot, women have to be sexual what else do they got. Juicy milkers are great, I need to see them or I become disinterested!😤” Which just drives me nuts. The video itself, I can’t tell which side it’s on, it’s decently argued but also feels a bit simplistic and bit too stuck to pretty dusty and old ideas about women and men. Also I think it’s maybe a bit unfair to judge her for taking on sexy roles in the past, times are changing, those types of roles were maybe something she thought she just had to do, no option, to become an actor or to further her career. We don’t know is she was comfortable with Hollywood profiling her that way or not. But yeah I’m kind of sad if his opinion is that women have to be sensual and men have to be strong brutes for a movie to work. Playing around with traits just needs to be done well. On the other hand I agree that in order for a female character to be intimidating or strong doesn’t mean femininity needs to, or should be erased.
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  233. I love cassies character. Maybe I haven't seen a lot of movies but I haven't seen a lot of characters with mental problems depicted like she is. Like it's either the sweet anxious/depressed girl or the completely crazy one that's practically a joke. It's good to see a character who's spiralling deeper and deeper beyond help, hurting people around her, unable to break out of her habits even when she wants to. I've had depression too and been there, I want her to get better next season of course but it's sill kind of validating to watch? Weirdly enough. And I don't really mind the ppl who are angry with her, ppl aren't supposed to accommodate u just becuz you're mentally ill. U hv to clean up ur own shiet. And I like how even her family doesn't like her, like that's very real, you really can't expext anything when you're unstable. tbh
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  234. Let me go against the grain here with regards to the popular opinion in the comment section. There is nothing degrading about being a sex worker, sex work does not make you a lesser person or less educated and while you might end up being on the internet forever, as long as society doesn't judge you, that shouldn't be a big deal. Would I want my child (daughter OR SON) doing this stuff? No. Why? I don't trust some of the higher ups in these industries. Some of these people are shady and treat women particularly like crap. But that could improve and has made significant progress as more women started to take control. My second main reason is the misogyny my daughter would face by both men AND women (including Feminists) for simply recording and distributing something that most people do. Some of these women, maybe not in Japan but in America and Europe, make ridiculous amounts of money by simply showing the physical intimacy I their monogamous relationship between themselves and their partner. They're doing the same things they'd do, just recording and distributing it for tens of thousands to hundreds of thousands of dollars. Why does this affect them with regards to how they are perceived? Why should this affect them with regards to getting a job or running for office? How are they inherently bad people because they filmed themselves f*ck?
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  235. If you’re self confident you shouldn’t care buy yourself a box of chocolates!. I love my freedom
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  236. Honestly, I think that all this hate for Cassie is really messy and toxic... The main message of the show is literally " we all make bad decision, but nonetheless we're able to improve ourself. We should be less judicious towards others and ourself". But most people apply this message on everyone but Cassie. We all know Cassie has her fair share of mistakes, but its so overlooked that Nate is a manipulative person, not just with Maddy. We should remember that Cassie was deeply depressed and fragile, she felt empty and lonely, i personally think that Nate took advantage of her vulnerability to forget his feelings. I cant understand how so many people underestimate his influence on Cassie while Maddy has INCRIMINATED an INNOCENT person only to protect Nate. Also, i found the Lesley's play down straight cruel and humiliating to Cassie, because for me it was done with no particular moral intent, but mostly with envy. This is pure slutshaming for me. I think that season 2 was too ipocrite with the initial message and i hate the way Cassie has been represented. The narrative is really too ambiguous with her, because it begans to make her look like a ridiculous villain instead of a more real and complex character. We have all forgive Rue, even though she had ruined her family's life, she used to be manipulative and a liar, because she was obviously hurt. And likewise happens with every other characters. So why people can't even try to empathize a little with what Cassie is going through? This seems kinda misogyny to me...ops
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  237. Honestly, I think that all this hate for Cassie is really messy and toxic... The main message of the show is literally " we all make bad decision, but nonetheless we're able to improve ourself. We should be less judicious towards others and ourself". But most people apply this message on everyone but Cassie. We all know Cassie has her fair share of mistakes, but its so overlooked that Nate is a manipulative person, not just with Maddy. We should remember that Cassie was deeply depressed and fragile, she felt empty and lonely, i personally think that Nate took advantage of her vulnerability to forget his feelings. I cant understand how so many people underestimate his influence on Cassie while Maddy has INCRIMINATED an INNOCENT person only to protect Nate. Also, i found the Lesley's play down straight cruel and humiliating to Cassie, because for me it was done with no particular moral intent, but mostly with envy. This is pure slutshaming for me. I think that season 2 was too ipocrite with the initial message and i hate the way Cassie has been represented. The narrative is really too ambiguous with her, because it begans to make her look like a ridiculous villain instead of a more real and complex character. We have all forgive Rue, even though she had ruined her family's life, she used to be manipulative and a liar, because she was obviously hurt. And likewise happens with every other characters. So why people can't even try to empathize a little with what Cassie is going through? This seems kinda misogyny to me...ops
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  238. Honestly, I think that all this hate for Cassie is really messy and toxic... The main message of the show is literally " we all make bad decision, but nonetheless we're able to improve ourself. We should be less judicious towards others and ourself". But most people apply this message on everyone but Cassie. We all know Cassie has her fair share of mistakes, but its so overlooked that Nate is a manipulative person, not just with Maddy. We should remember that Cassie was deeply depressed and fragile, she felt empty and lonely, i personally think that Nate took advantage of her vulnerability to forget his feelings. I cant understand how so many people underestimate his influence on Cassie while Maddy has INCRIMINATED an INNOCENT person only to protect Nate. Also, i found the Lesley's play down straight cruel and humiliating to Cassie, because for me it was done with no particular moral intent, but mostly with envy. This is pure slutshaming for me. I think that season 2 was too ipocrite with the initial message and i hate the way Cassie has been represented. The narrative is really too ambiguous with her, because it begans to make her look like a ridiculous villain instead of a more real and complex character. We have all forgive Rue, even though she had ruined her family's life, she used to be manipulative and a liar, because she was obviously hurt. And likewise happens with every other characters. So why people can't even try to empathize a little with what Cassie is going through? This seems kinda misogyny to me...ops
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  239. I love cassies character. Maybe I haven't seen a lot of movies but I haven't seen a lot of characters with mental problems depicted like she is. Like it's either the sweet anxious/depressed girl or the completely crazy one that's practically a joke. It's good to see a character who's spiralling deeper and deeper beyond help, hurting people around her, unable to break out of her habits even when she wants to. I've had depression too and been there, I want her to get better next season of course but it's sill kind of validating to watch? Weirdly enough. And I don't really mind the ppl who are angry with her, ppl aren't supposed to accommodate u just becuz you're mentally ill. U hv to clean up ur own shiet. And I like how even her family doesn't like her, like that's very real, you really can't expect anything when you're unstable. tbh
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  240.  @notyourdays  I love cassies character. Maybe I haven't seen a lot of movies but I haven't seen a lot of characters with mental problems depicted like she is. Like it's either the sweet anxious/depressed girl or the completely crazy one that's practically a joke. It's good to see a character who's spiralling deeper and deeper beyond help, hurting people around her, unable to break out of her habits even when she wants to. I've had depression too and been there, I want her to get better next season of course but it's sill kind of validating to watch? Weirdly enough. And I don't really mind the ppl who are angry with her, ppl aren't supposed to accommodate u just becuz you're mentally ill. U hv to clean up ur own shiet. And I like how even her family doesn't like her, like that's very real, you really can't expext anything when you're unstable.
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  241.  @yashitaprasad5771  I love cassies character. Maybe I haven't seen a lot of movies but I haven't seen a lot of characters with mental problems depicted like she is. Like it's either the sweet anxious/depressed girl or the completely crazy one that's practically a joke. It's good to see a character who's spiralling deeper and deeper beyond help, hurting people around her, unable to break out of her habits even when she wants to. I've had depression too and been there, I want her to get better next season of course but it's sill kind of validating to watch? Weirdly enough. And I don't really mind the ppl who are angry with her, ppl aren't supposed to accommodate u just becuz you're mentally ill. U hv to clean up ur own shiet. And I like how even her family doesn't like her, like that's very real, you really can't expext anything when you're unstable.
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  242.  @badgalpandamanda  I love cassies character. Maybe I haven't seen a lot of movies but I haven't seen a lot of characters with mental problems depicted like she is. Like it's either the sweet anxious/depressed girl or the completely crazy one that's practically a joke. It's good to see a character who's spiralling deeper and deeper beyond help, hurting people around her, unable to break out of her habits even when she wants to. I've had depression too and been there, I want her to get better next season of course but it's sill kind of validating to watch? Weirdly enough. And I don't really mind the ppl who are angry with her, ppl aren't supposed to accommodate u just becuz you're mentally ill. U hv to clean up ur own shiet. And I like how even her family doesn't like her, like that's very real, you really can't expext anything when you're unstable.
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  243.  @yashitaprasad5771  I don't want to excuse Cassie for what she did, but people seem to be so desensitized with Nate and think he's only doing what's expected of him that they end up forgetting that he's the biggest problem here. Realistically, I would react the same way Maddie did, because Cassie broke her trust and if someone you bonded with so much just broke your trust and got with your ex-ABUSIVE boyfriend, that would deeply hurt you, but Nate needs to take responsibility for his actions as well, not just Cassie. He ain't even facing any consequences despite being so much of a jack-ass. He only got beaten once meanwhile Cassie always needs to take blame even before this entire incident. Plus, people seem to forget about Cassie's passion for ice skating. Instead of making season 2 about her trying to find herself after all the heartbreak, regaining her love for ice skating and pursuing it. I know that putting her together with Nate creates more drama, making it more interesting to viewers and that's what they want, but it's also kinda demeaning to Cassie as a person. I'm being way too invested but like I'm just kinda sad, I wanted Cassie to grow but her world only fell apart, and yes she did questionable things in the past, I don't excuse any of her wrongdoings but the point is wanting to see her grow and since she's literally just a character so I believe they could have molded her differently. Also like someone said, her true love doesn't have to be a man, it could be anyone, it doesn't have to be romantic. As long as it helps her grow and uplifts her, helps her become a better person, then that's who you can consider her true love. It's so sad to see Maddie and Cassie pitted against each other; "Bitch you're my soulmate"😭😭😭
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  244.  @purplezombie4940  Honestly, I think that all this hate for Cassie is really messy and toxic... The main message of the show is literally " we all make bad decision, but nonetheless we're able to improve ourself. We should be less judicious towards others and ourself". But most people apply this message on everyone but Cassie. We all know Cassie has her fair share of mistakes, but its so overlooked that Nate is a manipulative person, not just with Maddy. We should remember that Cassie was deeply depressed and fragile, she felt empty and lonely, i personally think that Nate took advantage of her vulnerability to forget his feelings. I cant understand how so many people underestimate his influence on Cassie while Maddy has INCRIMINATED an INNOCENT person only to protect Nate. Also, i found the Lesley's play down straight cruel and humiliating to Cassie, because for me it was done with no particular moral intent, but mostly with envy. This is pure slutshaming for me. I think that season 2 was too ipocrite with the initial message and i hate the way Cassie has been represented. The narrative is really too ambiguous with her, because it begans to make her look like a ridiculous villain instead of a more real and complex character. We have all forgive Rue, even though she had ruined her family's life, she used to be manipulative and a liar, because she was obviously hurt. And likewise happens with every other characters. So why people can't even try to empathize a little with what Cassie is going through? This seems kinda misogyny to me...ops
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  245. I think what this analysis is missing is the impact having only one woman on screen in these movies has. One girl with one archetype and personality and appearance and that comes to fill the spot for every female, and she cant fit every role. If there were more female characters on screen that have a variety of fighting styles (DONE WELL) i think itd be more satisfying for everyone. Nothing wrong with Scar Jo being a sexy fem fatal type, it looks cool, but making that the only representation doesnt work well for everyone. Spiderman and thor dont have the same appeal you know
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  246. I love cassies character. Maybe I haven't seen a lot of movies but I haven't seen a lot of characters with mental problems depicted like she is. Like it's either the sweet anxious/depressed girl or the completely crazy one that's practically a joke. It's good to see a character who's spiralling deeper and deeper beyond help, hurting people around her, unable to break out of her habits even when she wants to. I've had depression too and been there, I want her to get better next season of course but it's sill kind of validating to watch? Weirdly enough. And I don't really mind the ppl who are angry with her, ppl aren't supposed to accommodate u just becuz you're mentally ill. U hv to clean up ur own shiet. And I like how even her family doesn't like her, like that's very real, you really can't expect anything when you're unstable. tbh
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  247.  @swiggydswirl330  Some comments make me wonder what would they say if instead of a daughter, it was a son. Even this father, like, if he had a son who is a pronstar, would he be in this video? I've read a lot of people talking about how ashamed female pronstars should be, but when it comes to male, it's totally different, i've even seen people joking about how every men's dream job is to become a pronstar from age 13. Imo, both can be good or bad, of course, it is more common to have women being degraded in pron videos, even if it is a vanilla one, but i'm sure that there are bad sides for any gender. At least, there are people trying to change this scenario, maybe one day people will stop saying so many bad things about women who want to and work as pronstars, and just think that they chose this job, because they like it.
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  248. I'm a Singaporean, i can tell u what my friends says that if u are single, u wish you are married. But when u are married, u wish u were single again. The grass is always greener on the other side
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  249.  @nats_desu  You're welcome
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  250.  @bunnyboo6295  I say this, I have met women who have had multiple sexual partners, have repented of their past behavior and make excellent mothers and wives. I have also met women who have married as virgins and become bitter, callus, and unfaithful in their marriages. Personally, my marriage ended from a woman who was unfaithful to me and we did it “the right way.” I am not saying multiple partner women or virgins are better, but I am saying see where she is at now. Where is her mind at now. What does she think of her past now. These things matter more holistically.
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  251. I agree with this 100$
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  252. Some comments make me wonder what would they say if instead of a daughter, it was a son. Even this father, like, if he had a son who is a pronstar, would he be in this video? I've read a lot of people talking about how ashamed female pronstars should be, but when it comes to male, it's totally different, i've even seen people joking about how every men's dream job is to become a pronstar from age 13. Imo, both can be good or bad, of course, it is more common to have women being degraded in pron videos, even if it is a vanilla one, but i'm sure that there are bad sides for any gender. At least, there are people trying to change this scenario, maybe one day people will stop saying so many bad things about women who want to and work as pronstars, and just think that they chose this job, because they like it.
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  253. I think the argument is too black and white. Either its all female voodoo or a girly with an apes bod. Women don't need muscle to be strong, but they need more than a body to be a good character. I think Arcane does a spectacular job at writing women who are people before their gender. For instance the punching Powerhouse Vi, who beats the shit out of people. She punches before she thinks, but thats not because she's an angry feminist... she grew up in an environment where you had to fight to survive. Plus, she was in charge of her ragtag siblings, prepped to be a leader by her adoptive father. The difference is that seducing people and then beating them up won't really work for the problems she faces. So, conditions effect character. Black windows tactic works with the conditions of a modern world, and kinda points out the flaws in the men she seduces rather than her seducing. The problem is that marvel is trying to appeal more to kids so they gotta water down characters a bit. She's a morally grey character and that's why she's cool. It's not about being more manly because men exist in different conditions. I think if we want to see a more human side to black window, they could maybe show how she feels about her tactic, make her get fed up and lash out because changing the character without confronting the conditioned behavior washes away the humanity.
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  254. Some comments make me wonder what would they say if instead of a daughter, it was a son. Even this father, like, if he had a son who is a pronstar, would he be in this video? I've read a lot of people talking about how ashamed female pronstars should be, but when it comes to male, it's totally different, i've even seen people joking about how every men's dream job is to become a pronstar from age 13. Imo, both can be good or bad, of course, it is more common to have women being degraded in pron videos, even if it is a vanilla one, but i'm sure that there are bad sides for any gender. At least, there are people trying to change this scenario, maybe one day people will stop saying so many bad things about women who want to and work as pronstars, and just think that they chose this job, because they like it.
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  255. Honestly, I think that all this hate for Cassie is really messy and toxic... The main message of the show is literally " we all make bad decision, but nonetheless we're able to improve ourself. We should be less judicious towards others and ourself". But most people apply this message on everyone but Cassie. We all know Cassie has her fair share of mistakes, but its so overlooked that Nate is a manipulative person, not just with Maddy. We should remember that Cassie was deeply depressed and fragile, she felt empty and lonely, i personally think that Nate took advantage of her vulnerability to forget his feelings. I cant understand how so many people underestimate his influence on Cassie while Maddy has INCRIMINATED an INNOCENT person only to protect Nate. Also, i found the Lesley's play down straight cruel and humiliating to Cassie, because for me it was done with no particular moral intent, but mostly with envy. This is pure slutshaming for me. I think that season 2 was too ipocrite with the initial message and i hate the way Cassie has been represented. The narrative is really too ambiguous with her, because it begans to make her look like a ridiculous villain instead of a more real and complex character. We have all forgive Rue, even though she had ruined her family's life, she used to be manipulative and a liar, because she was obviously hurt. And likewise happens with every other characters. So why people can't even try to empathize a little with what Cassie is going through? This seems kinda misogyny to me...ops
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  256. i agree with this 100%
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  257. I don't want to excuse Cassie for what she did, but people seem to be so desensitized with Nate and think he's only doing what's expected of him that they end up forgetting that he's the biggest problem here. Realistically, I would react the same way Maddie did, because Cassie broke her trust and if someone you bonded with so much just broke your trust and got with your ex-ABUSIVE boyfriend, that would deeply hurt you, but Nate needs to take responsibility for his actions as well, not just Cassie. He ain't even facing any consequences despite being so much of a jack-ass. He only got beaten once meanwhile Cassie always needs to take blame even before this entire incident. Plus, people seem to forget about Cassie's passion for ice skating. Instead of making season 2 about her trying to find herself after all the heartbreak, regaining her love for ice skating and pursuing it. I know that putting her together with Nate creates more drama, making it more interesting to viewers and that's what they want, but it's also kinda demeaning to Cassie as a person. I'm being way too invested but like I'm just kinda sad, I wanted Cassie to grow but her world only fell apart, and yes she did questionable things in the past, I don't excuse any of her wrongdoings but the point is wanting to see her grow and since she's literally just a character so I believe they could have molded her differently. Also like someone said, her true love doesn't have to be a man, it could be anyone, it doesn't have to be romantic. As long as it helps her grow and uplifts her, helps her become a better person, then that's who you can consider her true love. It's so sad to see Maddie and Cassie pitted against each other; "Bitch you're my soulmate"😭😭😭
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  258. Honestly, I think that all this hate for Cassie is really messy and toxic... The main message of the show is literally " we all make bad decision, but nonetheless we're able to improve ourself. We should be less judicious towards others and ourself". But most people apply this message on everyone but Cassie. We all know Cassie has her fair share of mistakes, but its so overlooked that Nate is a manipulative person, not just with Maddy. We should remember that Cassie was deeply depressed and fragile, she felt empty and lonely, i personally think that Nate took advantage of her vulnerability to forget his feelings. I cant understand how so many people underestimate his influence on Cassie while Maddy has INCRIMINATED an INNOCENT person only to protect Nate. Also, i found the Lesley's play down straight cruel and humiliating to Cassie, because for me it was done with no particular moral intent, but mostly with envy. This is pure slutshaming for me. I think that season 2 was too ipocrite with the initial message and i hate the way Cassie has been represented. The narrative is really too ambiguous with her, because it begans to make her look like a ridiculous villain instead of a more real and complex character. We have all forgive Rue, even though she had ruined her family's life, she used to be manipulative and a liar, because she was obviously hurt. And likewise happens with every other characters. So why people can't even try to empathize a little with what Cassie is going through? This seems kinda misogyny to me...ops
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  259.  @mclovin7375  https://youtu.be/lKvj8LMoH3A Here's a link to a video that explained her character in more details, probably the only one out there tbh
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  260. Some comments make me wonder what would they say if instead of a daughter, it was a son. Even this father, like, if he had a son who is a pronstar, would he be in this video? I've read a lot of people talking about how ashamed female pronstars should be, but when it comes to male, it's totally different, i've even seen people joking about how every men's dream job is to become a pronstar from age 13. Imo, both can be good or bad, of course, it is more common to have women being degraded in pron videos, even if it is a vanilla one, but i'm sure that there are bad sides for any gender. At least, there are people trying to change this scenario, maybe one day people will stop saying so many bad things about women who want to and work as pronstars, and just think that they chose this job, because they like it.
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  261. Honestly, I think that all this hate for Cassie is really messy and toxic... The main message of the show is literally " we all make bad decision, but nonetheless we're able to improve ourself. We should be less judicious towards others and ourself". But most people apply this message on everyone but Cassie. We all know Cassie has her fair share of mistakes, but its so overlooked that Nate is a manipulative person, not just with Maddy. We should remember that Cassie was deeply depressed and fragile, she felt empty and lonely, i personally think that Nate took advantage of her vulnerability to forget his feelings. I cant understand how so many people underestimate his influence on Cassie while Maddy has INCRIMINATED an INNOCENT person only to protect Nate. Also, i found the Lesley's play down straight cruel and humiliating to Cassie, because for me it was done with no particular moral intent, but mostly with envy. This is pure slutshaming for me. I think that season 2 was too ipocrite with the initial message and i hate the way Cassie has been represented. The narrative is really too ambiguous with her, because it begans to make her look like a ridiculous villain instead of a more real and complex character. We have all forgive Rue, even though she had ruined her family's life, she used to be manipulative and a liar, because she was obviously hurt. And likewise happens with every other characters. So why people can't even try to empathize a little with what Cassie is going through? This seems kinda misogyny to me...ops
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  262. Honestly, I think that all this hate for Cassie is really messy and toxic... The main message of the show is literally " we all make bad decision, but nonetheless we're able to improve ourself. We should be less judicious towards others and ourself". But most people apply this message on everyone but Cassie. We all know Cassie has her fair share of mistakes, but its so overlooked that Nate is a manipulative person, not just with Maddy. We should remember that Cassie was deeply depressed and fragile, she felt empty and lonely, i personally think that Nate took advantage of her vulnerability to forget his feelings. I cant understand how so many people underestimate his influence on Cassie while Maddy has INCRIMINATED an INNOCENT person only to protect Nate. Also, i found the Lesley's play down straight cruel and humiliating to Cassie, because for me it was done with no particular moral intent, but mostly with envy. This is pure slutshaming for me. I think that season 2 was too ipocrite with the initial message and i hate the way Cassie has been represented. The narrative is really too ambiguous with her, because it begans to make her look like a ridiculous villain instead of a more real and complex character. We have all forgive Rue, even though she had ruined her family's life, she used to be manipulative and a liar, because she was obviously hurt. And likewise happens with every other characters. So why people can't even try to empathize a little with what Cassie is going through? This seems kinda misogyny to me...ops
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  263. I agree with this 100%
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  264.  @anjalisingh-bh1gi  Honestly, I think that all this hate for Cassie is really messy and toxic... The main message of the show is literally " we all make bad decision, but nonetheless we're able to improve ourself. We should be less judicious towards others and ourself". But most people apply this message on everyone but Cassie. We all know Cassie has her fair share of mistakes, but its so overlooked that Nate is a manipulative person, not just with Maddy. We should remember that Cassie was deeply depressed and fragile, she felt empty and lonely, i personally think that Nate took advantage of her vulnerability to forget his feelings. I cant understand how so many people underestimate his influence on Cassie while Maddy has INCRIMINATED an INNOCENT person only to protect Nate. Also, i found the Lesley's play down straight cruel and humiliating to Cassie, because for me it was done with no particular moral intent, but mostly with envy. This is pure slutshaming for me. I think that season 2 was too ipocrite with the initial message and i hate the way Cassie has been represented. The narrative is really too ambiguous with her, because it begans to make her look like a ridiculous villain instead of a more real and complex character. We have all forgive Rue, even though she had ruined her family's life, she used to be manipulative and a liar, because she was obviously hurt. And likewise happens with every other characters. So why people can't even try to empathize a little with what Cassie is going through? This seems kinda misogyny to me...ops
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  265.  @camilatorres8322  Honestly, I think that all this hate for Cassie is really messy and toxic... The main message of the show is literally " we all make bad decision, but nonetheless we're able to improve ourself. We should be less judicious towards others and ourself". But most people apply this message on everyone but Cassie. We all know Cassie has her fair share of mistakes, but its so overlooked that Nate is a manipulative person, not just with Maddy. We should remember that Cassie was deeply depressed and fragile, she felt empty and lonely, i personally think that Nate took advantage of her vulnerability to forget his feelings. I cant understand how so many people underestimate his influence on Cassie while Maddy has INCRIMINATED an INNOCENT person only to protect Nate. Also, i found the Lesley's play down straight cruel and humiliating to Cassie, because for me it was done with no particular moral intent, but mostly with envy. This is pure slutshaming for me. I think that season 2 was too ipocrite with the initial message and i hate the way Cassie has been represented. The narrative is really too ambiguous with her, because it begans to make her look like a ridiculous villain instead of a more real and complex character. We have all forgive Rue, even though she had ruined her family's life, she used to be manipulative and a liar, because she was obviously hurt. And likewise happens with every other characters. So why people can't even try to empathize a little with what Cassie is going through? This seems kinda misogyny to me...ops
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  266.  @Em-bi7tn  Honestly, I think that all this hate for Cassie is really messy and toxic... The main message of the show is literally " we all make bad decision, but nonetheless we're able to improve ourself. We should be less judicious towards others and ourself". But most people apply this message on everyone but Cassie. We all know Cassie has her fair share of mistakes, but its so overlooked that Nate is a manipulative person, not just with Maddy. We should remember that Cassie was deeply depressed and fragile, she felt empty and lonely, i personally think that Nate took advantage of her vulnerability to forget his feelings. I cant understand how so many people underestimate his influence on Cassie while Maddy has INCRIMINATED an INNOCENT person only to protect Nate. Also, i found the Lesley's play down straight cruel and humiliating to Cassie, because for me it was done with no particular moral intent, but mostly with envy. This is pure slutshaming for me. I think that season 2 was too ipocrite with the initial message and i hate the way Cassie has been represented. The narrative is really too ambiguous with her, because it begans to make her look like a ridiculous villain instead of a more real and complex character. We have all forgive Rue, even though she had ruined her family's life, she used to be manipulative and a liar, because she was obviously hurt. And likewise happens with every other characters. So why people can't even try to empathize a little with what Cassie is going through? This seems kinda misogyny to me...ops
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  267.  @ps_reagan5522  Honestly, I think that all this hate for Cassie is really messy and toxic... The main message of the show is literally " we all make bad decision, but nonetheless we're able to improve ourself. We should be less judicious towards others and ourself". But most people apply this message on everyone but Cassie. We all know Cassie has her fair share of mistakes, but its so overlooked that Nate is a manipulative person, not just with Maddy. We should remember that Cassie was deeply depressed and fragile, she felt empty and lonely, i personally think that Nate took advantage of her vulnerability to forget his feelings. I cant understand how so many people underestimate his influence on Cassie while Maddy has INCRIMINATED an INNOCENT person only to protect Nate. Also, i found the Lesley's play down straight cruel and humiliating to Cassie, because for me it was done with no particular moral intent, but mostly with envy. This is pure slutshaming for me. I think that season 2 was too ipocrite with the initial message and i hate the way Cassie has been represented. The narrative is really too ambiguous with her, because it begans to make her look like a ridiculous villain instead of a more real and complex character. We have all forgive Rue, even though she had ruined her family's life, she used to be manipulative and a liar, because she was obviously hurt. And likewise happens with every other characters. So why people can't even try to empathize a little with what Cassie is going through? This seems kinda misogyny to me...ops
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  268.  @leahmb3215  Honestly, I think that all this hate for Cassie is really messy and toxic... The main message of the show is literally " we all make bad decision, but nonetheless we're able to improve ourself. We should be less judicious towards others and ourself". But most people apply this message on everyone but Cassie. We all know Cassie has her fair share of mistakes, but its so overlooked that Nate is a manipulative person, not just with Maddy. We should remember that Cassie was deeply depressed and fragile, she felt empty and lonely, i personally think that Nate took advantage of her vulnerability to forget his feelings. I cant understand how so many people underestimate his influence on Cassie while Maddy has INCRIMINATED an INNOCENT person only to protect Nate. Also, i found the Lesley's play down straight cruel and humiliating to Cassie, because for me it was done with no particular moral intent, but mostly with envy. This is pure slutshaming for me. I think that season 2 was too ipocrite with the initial message and i hate the way Cassie has been represented. The narrative is really too ambiguous with her, because it begans to make her look like a ridiculous villain instead of a more real and complex character. We have all forgive Rue, even though she had ruined her family's life, she used to be manipulative and a liar, because she was obviously hurt. And likewise happens with every other characters. So why people can't even try to empathize a little with what Cassie is going through? This seems kinda misogyny to me...ops
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  269.  @emma-et7yp  Honestly, I think that all this hate for Cassie is really messy and toxic... The main message of the show is literally " we all make bad decision, but nonetheless we're able to improve ourself. We should be less judicious towards others and ourself". But most people apply this message on everyone but Cassie. We all know Cassie has her fair share of mistakes, but its so overlooked that Nate is a manipulative person, not just with Maddy. We should remember that Cassie was deeply depressed and fragile, she felt empty and lonely, i personally think that Nate took advantage of her vulnerability to forget his feelings. I cant understand how so many people underestimate his influence on Cassie while Maddy has INCRIMINATED an INNOCENT person only to protect Nate. Also, i found the Lesley's play down straight cruel and humiliating to Cassie, because for me it was done with no particular moral intent, but mostly with envy. This is pure slutshaming for me. I think that season 2 was too ipocrite with the initial message and i hate the way Cassie has been represented. The narrative is really too ambiguous with her, because it begans to make her look like a ridiculous villain instead of a more real and complex character. We have all forgive Rue, even though she had ruined her family's life, she used to be manipulative and a liar, because she was obviously hurt. And likewise happens with every other characters. So why people can't even try to empathize a little with what Cassie is going through? This seems kinda misogyny to me...ops
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  270.  @justawlwwholikesshygirls5704  Honestly, I think that all this hate for Cassie is really messy and toxic... The main message of the show is literally " we all make bad decision, but nonetheless we're able to improve ourself. We should be less judicious towards others and ourself". But most people apply this message on everyone but Cassie. We all know Cassie has her fair share of mistakes, but its so overlooked that Nate is a manipulative person, not just with Maddy. We should remember that Cassie was deeply depressed and fragile, she felt empty and lonely, i personally think that Nate took advantage of her vulnerability to forget his feelings. I cant understand how so many people underestimate his influence on Cassie while Maddy has INCRIMINATED an INNOCENT person only to protect Nate. Also, i found the Lesley's play down straight cruel and humiliating to Cassie, because for me it was done with no particular moral intent, but mostly with envy. This is pure slutshaming for me. I think that season 2 was too ipocrite with the initial message and i hate the way Cassie has been represented. The narrative is really too ambiguous with her, because it begans to make her look like a ridiculous villain instead of a more real and complex character. We have all forgive Rue, even though she had ruined her family's life, she used to be manipulative and a liar, because she was obviously hurt. And likewise happens with every other characters. So why people can't even try to empathize a little with what Cassie is going through? This seems kinda misogyny to me...ops
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  271.  @YoSoFunnyx3  Honestly, I think that all this hate for Cassie is really messy and toxic... The main message of the show is literally " we all make bad decision, but nonetheless we're able to improve ourself. We should be less judicious towards others and ourself". But most people apply this message on everyone but Cassie. We all know Cassie has her fair share of mistakes, but its so overlooked that Nate is a manipulative person, not just with Maddy. We should remember that Cassie was deeply depressed and fragile, she felt empty and lonely, i personally think that Nate took advantage of her vulnerability to forget his feelings. I cant understand how so many people underestimate his influence on Cassie while Maddy has INCRIMINATED an INNOCENT person only to protect Nate. Also, i found the Lesley's play down straight cruel and humiliating to Cassie, because for me it was done with no particular moral intent, but mostly with envy. This is pure slutshaming for me. I think that season 2 was too ipocrite with the initial message and i hate the way Cassie has been represented. The narrative is really too ambiguous with her, because it begans to make her look like a ridiculous villain instead of a more real and complex character. We have all forgive Rue, even though she had ruined her family's life, she used to be manipulative and a liar, because she was obviously hurt. And likewise happens with every other characters. So why people can't even try to empathize a little with what Cassie is going through? This seems kinda misogyny to me...ops
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  272. I'm a Singaporean, i can tell u what my friends says that if u are single, u wish you are married. But when u are married, u wish u were single again. The grass is always greener on the other side
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  273. I certainly found being single makes me happier as a person, thats not to say i'm shaming women who want to get marry. Being single has its pros and cons, but i'm just content with the way i live, and thats what peole should try to be tbh😊
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  274. I love cassies character. Maybe I haven't seen a lot of movies but I haven't seen a lot of characters with mental problems depicted like she is. Like it's either the sweet anxious/depressed girl or the completely crazy one that's practically a joke. It's good to see a character who's spiralling deeper and deeper beyond help, hurting people around her, unable to break out of her habits even when she wants to. I've had depression too and been there, I want her to get better next season of course but it's sill kind of validating to watch? Weirdly enough. And I don't really mind the ppl who are angry with her, ppl aren't supposed to accommodate u just becuz you're mentally ill. U hv to clean up ur own shiet. And I like how even her family doesn't like her, like that's very real, you really can't expect anything when you're unstable. tbh
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  275.  @lovelybrown9081  Honestly, I think that all this hate for Cassie is really messy and toxic... The main message of the show is literally " we all make bad decision, but nonetheless we're able to improve ourself. We should be less judicious towards others and ourself". But most people apply this message on everyone but Cassie. We all know Cassie has her fair share of mistakes, but its so overlooked that Nate is a manipulative person, not just with Maddy. We should remember that Cassie was deeply depressed and fragile, she felt empty and lonely, i personally think that Nate took advantage of her vulnerability to forget his feelings. I cant understand how so many people underestimate his influence on Cassie while Maddy has INCRIMINATED an INNOCENT person only to protect Nate. Also, i found the Lesley's play down straight cruel and humiliating to Cassie, because for me it was done with no particular moral intent, but mostly with envy. This is pure slutshaming for me. I think that season 2 was too ipocrite with the initial message and i hate the way Cassie has been represented. The narrative is really too ambiguous with her, because it begans to make her look like a ridiculous villain instead of a more real and complex character. We have all forgive Rue, even though she had ruined her family's life, she used to be manipulative and a liar, because she was obviously hurt. And likewise happens with every other characters. So why people can't even try to empathize a little with what Cassie is going through? This seems kinda misogyny to me...ops
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  276.  @AntoniaTrompowsky  Honestly, I think that all this hate for Cassie is really messy and toxic... The main message of the show is literally " we all make bad decision, but nonetheless we're able to improve ourself. We should be less judicious towards others and ourself". But most people apply this message on everyone but Cassie. We all know Cassie has her fair share of mistakes, but its so overlooked that Nate is a manipulative person, not just with Maddy. We should remember that Cassie was deeply depressed and fragile, she felt empty and lonely, i personally think that Nate took advantage of her vulnerability to forget his feelings. I cant understand how so many people underestimate his influence on Cassie while Maddy has INCRIMINATED an INNOCENT person only to protect Nate. Also, i found the Lesley's play down straight cruel and humiliating to Cassie, because for me it was done with no particular moral intent, but mostly with envy. This is pure slutshaming for me. I think that season 2 was too ipocrite with the initial message and i hate the way Cassie has been represented. The narrative is really too ambiguous with her, because it begans to make her look like a ridiculous villain instead of a more real and complex character. We have all forgive Rue, even though she had ruined her family's life, she used to be manipulative and a liar, because she was obviously hurt. And likewise happens with every other characters. So why people can't even try to empathize a little with what Cassie is going through? This seems kinda misogyny to me...ops
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  277. I don't want to excuse Cassie for what she did, but people seem to be so desensitized with Nate and think he's only doing what's expected of him that they end up forgetting that he's the biggest problem here. Realistically, I would react the same way Maddie did, because Cassie broke her trust and if someone you bonded with so much just broke your trust and got with your ex-ABUSIVE boyfriend, that would deeply hurt you, but Nate needs to take responsibility for his actions as well, not just Cassie. He ain't even facing any consequences despite being so much of a jack-ass. He only got beaten once meanwhile Cassie always needs to take blame even before this entire incident. Plus, people seem to forget about Cassie's passion for ice skating. Instead of making season 2 about her trying to find herself after all the heartbreak, regaining her love for ice skating and pursuing it. I know that putting her together with Nate creates more drama, making it more interesting to viewers and that's what they want, but it's also kinda demeaning to Cassie as a person. I'm being way too invested but like I'm just kinda sad, I wanted Cassie to grow but her world only fell apart, and yes she did questionable things in the past, I don't excuse any of her wrongdoings but the point is wanting to see her grow and since she's literally just a character so I believe they could have molded her differently. Also like someone said, her true love doesn't have to be a man, it could be anyone, it doesn't have to be romantic. As long as it helps her grow and uplifts her, helps her become a better person, then that's who you can consider her true love. It's so sad to see Maddie and Cassie pitted against each other; "Bitch you're my soulmate"😭😭😭
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  278. I don't want to excuse Cassie for what she did, but people seem to be so desensitized with Nate and think he's only doing what's expected of him that they end up forgetting that he's the biggest problem here. Realistically, I would react the same way Maddie did, because Cassie broke her trust and if someone you bonded with so much just broke your trust and got with your ex-ABUSIVE boyfriend, that would deeply hurt you, but Nate needs to take responsibility for his actions as well, not just Cassie. He ain't even facing any consequences despite being so much of a jack-ass. He only got beaten once meanwhile Cassie always needs to take blame even before this entire incident. Plus, people seem to forget about Cassie's passion for ice skating. Instead of making season 2 about her trying to find herself after all the heartbreak, regaining her love for ice skating and pursuing it. I know that putting her together with Nate creates more drama, making it more interesting to viewers and that's what they want, but it's also kinda demeaning to Cassie as a person. I'm being way too invested but like I'm just kinda sad, I wanted Cassie to grow but her world only fell apart, and yes she did questionable things in the past, I don't excuse any of her wrongdoings but the point is wanting to see her grow and since she's literally just a character so I believe they could have molded her differently. Also like someone said, her true love doesn't have to be a man, it could be anyone, it doesn't have to be romantic. As long as it helps her grow and uplifts her, helps her become a better person, then that's who you can consider her true love. It's so sad to see Maddie and Cassie pitted against each other; "Bitch you're my soulmate"😭😭😭
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  279. Honestly, I think that all this hate for Cassie is really messy and toxic... The main message of the show is literally " we all make bad decision, but nonetheless we're able to improve ourself. We should be less judicious towards others and ourself". But most people apply this message on everyone but Cassie. We all know Cassie has her fair share of mistakes, but its so overlooked that Nate is a manipulative person, not just with Maddy. We should remember that Cassie was deeply depressed and fragile, she felt empty and lonely, i personally think that Nate took advantage of her vulnerability to forget his feelings. I cant understand how so many people underestimate his influence on Cassie while Maddy has INCRIMINATED an INNOCENT person only to protect Nate. Also, i found the Lesley's play down straight cruel and humiliating to Cassie, because for me it was done with no particular moral intent, but mostly with envy. This is pure slutshaming for me. I think that season 2 was too ipocrite with the initial message and i hate the way Cassie has been represented. The narrative is really too ambiguous with her, because it begans to make her look like a ridiculous villain instead of a more real and complex character. We have all forgive Rue, even though she had ruined her family's life, she used to be manipulative and a liar, because she was obviously hurt. And likewise happens with every other characters. So why people can't even try to empathize a little with what Cassie is going through? This seems kinda misogyny to me...ops
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  280. I love cassies character. Maybe I haven't seen a lot of movies but I haven't seen a lot of characters with mental problems depicted like she is. Like it's either the sweet anxious/depressed girl or the completely crazy one that's practically a joke. It's good to see a character who's spiralling deeper and deeper beyond help, hurting people around her, unable to break out of her habits even when she wants to. I've had depression too and been there, I want her to get better next season of course but it's sill kind of validating to watch? Weirdly enough. And I don't really mind the ppl who are angry with her, ppl aren't supposed to accommodate u just becuz you're mentally ill. U hv to clean up ur own shiet. And I like how even her family doesn't like her, like that's very real, you really can't expect anything when you're unstable. tbh
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  281. Honestly, I think that all this hate for Cassie is really messy and toxic... The main message of the show is literally " we all make bad decision, but nonetheless we're able to improve ourself. We should be less judicious towards others and ourself". But most people apply this message on everyone but Cassie. We all know Cassie has her fair share of mistakes, but its so overlooked that Nate is a manipulative person, not just with Maddy. We should remember that Cassie was deeply depressed and fragile, she felt empty and lonely, i personally think that Nate took advantage of her vulnerability to forget his feelings. I cant understand how so many people underestimate his influence on Cassie while Maddy has INCRIMINATED an INNOCENT person only to protect Nate. Also, i found the Lesley's play down straight cruel and humiliating to Cassie, because for me it was done with no particular moral intent, but mostly with envy. This is pure slutshaming for me. I think that season 2 was too ipocrite with the initial message and i hate the way Cassie has been represented. The narrative is really too ambiguous with her, because it begans to make her look like a ridiculous villain instead of a more real and complex character. We have all forgive Rue, even though she had ruined her family's life, she used to be manipulative and a liar, because she was obviously hurt. And likewise happens with every other characters. So why people can't even try to empathize a little with what Cassie is going through? This seems kinda misogyny to me...ops
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  282. Some comments make me wonder what would they say if instead of a daughter, it was a son. Even this father, like, if he had a son who is a pronstar, would he be in this video? I've read a lot of people talking about how ashamed female pronstars should be, but when it comes to male, it's totally different, i've even seen people joking about how every men's dream job is to become a pronstar from age 13. Imo, both can be good or bad, of course, it is more common to have women being degraded in pron videos, even if it is a vanilla one, but i'm sure that there are bad sides for any gender. At least, there are people trying to change this scenario, maybe one day people will stop saying so many bad things about women who want to and work as pronstars, and just think that they chose this job, because they like it.
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  283. Honestly, I think that all this hate for Cassie is really messy and toxic... The main message of the show is literally " we all make bad decision, but nonetheless we're able to improve ourself. We should be less judicious towards others and ourself". But most people apply this message on everyone but Cassie. We all know Cassie has her fair share of mistakes, but its so overlooked that Nate is a manipulative person, not just with Maddy. We should remember that Cassie was deeply depressed and fragile, she felt empty and lonely, i personally think that Nate took advantage of her vulnerability to forget his feelings. I cant understand how so many people underestimate his influence on Cassie while Maddy has INCRIMINATED an INNOCENT person only to protect Nate. Also, i found the Lesley's play down straight cruel and humiliating to Cassie, because for me it was done with no particular moral intent, but mostly with envy. This is pure slutshaming for me. I think that season 2 was too ipocrite with the initial message and i hate the way Cassie has been represented. The narrative is really too ambiguous with her, because it begans to make her look like a ridiculous villain instead of a more real and complex character. We have all forgive Rue, even though she had ruined her family's life, she used to be manipulative and a liar, because she was obviously hurt. And likewise happens with every other characters. So why people can't even try to empathize a little with what Cassie is going through? This seems kinda misogyny to me...ops
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  284. That graph at the beginning about the chance of divorce after 5 years doesn't hold much water. The graph doesn't even have a consistent increase with the number of partners. Hell, the chance of divorce is higher with 2 partners than 6-9 partners according to this. Alexander talks about this graph as if there is an exponential increase in chance of divorce with an increase in partners. The difference between 2 partners and 10 + is about 4%..........4%. Don't act like this is a big difference.
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  285. First study (By Family Studies): shows a drop from 73% to about 65% if you have 2 other partners prior to marriage, but then essentially stays at that level through up to 10 previous partners. But what does that prove since the vast majority of men AND women in western society have had sex with multiple partners by the time they married AND marriages NOW are taking place much later. So, did this study control for the age of the women? Did the study control for religiosity since women marrying with no previous sex partners may have had arranged marriages. I'm not convinced at all (from the graph alone) that the study methodology is convincing that there is a difference between no pre-marital partners and TEN pre-marital partners. :). Looking at the second study (Family Study; 5 year prediction of divorce by number of people spouses slept with prior to marriage). I'm in the biz of sociology/psychology so am reasonably familiar with research. I don't have the actual study in front of me, but the graph alone is problematic. Notice how you go from 5% chance of divorce if 0 previous partners jumping to 20% if 1 previous partner, then 30% if 2 previous partners, but then after that, an actual drop off to 25% if you've had 10 or more partners pre-marriage! So if pre-marital sex with others is a factor there should be a consistent rise on the x/y axes (if 1-2 makes a difference, then even more should make more difference). But that's not shown here, so I'm not convinced that this study has proven anything.
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  286.  @brandyreads  good for you girl, and you're right, you will cheat again no doubts about that, thats why you gotta be careful with these types of men
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  287. We don't have to vindicate the Other Woman in an attempt to de-villainise her. The Other Woman is a complex figure, and that's a good thing! It can be interesting to delve into exactly why she feels compelled to go after a married man. She could be used to reflect the patriarchal impulse to be "superior" to another woman by catering to a man's desires, she could be used to deconstruct the notion that women are automatically self-sacrificing romantics and (*gasp!*) can be selfish; in short, privileging her perspective is an opportunity to represent a real, flawed human being. But let's not make her into an angel... because no one is. 'Waitress' offers a good example of the Other Woman as a nuanced figure. Dr Pommater is in a relatively happy marriage (from the little we see of his wife there is nothing abusive about her), yet he cheats with the film/musical's protagonist, Jenna. Jenna is in an abusive relationship and has been stifled by her man-child husband and aborted ambitions - and the affair is a meaningful way of reclaiming her agency. But both the film and the musical show Jenna agonising over the affair and her acceptance that it is hurtful to Dr Pommater's wife even if it helped Jenna fight back against her abuser and get through an unplanned pregnancy. And that's life - women are not manipulative one-dimensional femme fatales vying for a married man out of nothing but sadism, they are people who should not be villified even if they are not absolved.
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  288. Let me go against the grain here with regards to the popular opinion in the comment section. There is nothing degrading about being a sex worker, sex work does not make you a lesser person or less educated and while you might end up being on the internet forever, as long as society doesn't judge you, that shouldn't be a big deal. Would I want my child (daughter OR SON) doing this stuff? No. Why? I don't trust some of the higher ups in these industries. Some of these people are shady and treat women particularly like crap. But that could improve and has made significant progress as more women started to take control. My second main reason is the misogyny my daughter would face by both men AND women (including Feminists) for simply recording and distributing something that most people do. Some of these women, maybe not in Japan but in America and Europe, make ridiculous amounts of money by simply showing the physical intimacy I their monogamous relationship between themselves and their partner. They're doing the same things they'd do, just recording and distributing it for tens of thousands to hundreds of thousands of dollars. Why does this affect them with regards to how they are perceived? Why should this affect them with regards to getting a job or running for office? How are they inherently bad people because they filmed themselves f*ck?
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  289. My opinion on this is, if you're ok with men watching porn or if you're watching porn yourself, its actually quite hypocritical to be ashamed of your own daughter/mother/sister doing porn. Maybe we should put all the shame around it aside and accept that there are always people willing to have sex in exchange for money and always people who are willing to pay for sex.
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  290. I love cassies character. Maybe I haven't seen a lot of movies but I haven't seen a lot of characters with mental problems depicted like she is. Like it's either the sweet anxious/depressed girl or the completely crazy one that's practically a joke. It's good to see a character who's spiralling deeper and deeper beyond help, hurting people around her, unable to break out of her habits even when she wants to. I've had depression too and been there, I want her to get better next season of course but it's sill kind of validating to watch? Weirdly enough. And I don't really mind the ppl who are angry with her, ppl aren't supposed to accommodate u just becuz you're mentally ill. U hv to clean up ur own shiet. And I like how even her family doesn't like her, like that's very real, you really can't expect anything when you're unstable. tbh
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  291. I love cassies character. Maybe I haven't seen a lot of movies but I haven't seen a lot of characters with mental problems depicted like she is. Like it's either the sweet anxious/depressed girl or the completely crazy one that's practically a joke. It's good to see a character who's spiralling deeper and deeper beyond help, hurting people around her, unable to break out of her habits even when she wants to. I've had depression too and been there, I want her to get better next season of course but it's sill kind of validating to watch? Weirdly enough. And I don't really mind the ppl who are angry with her, ppl aren't supposed to accommodate u just becuz you're mentally ill. U hv to clean up ur own shiet. And I like how even her family doesn't like her, like that's very real, you really can't expect anything when you're unstable. tbh
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  292.  @KitsuVampyria  i agree with this 100%
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  293. It's sad but it can feel like men try to force this role on you by objectifying you constantly. The thing I learnt, but only as I got older, is that you actually don't have to accept this role they subconsciously try to push you into and you don't have to feel guilty for not being agreeable to them whilst they're doing it. You think you're not being nice but you can't see it's actually them that aren't being nice. Instead of being railroaded into this role for a man's pleasure, you can choose to keep your own ideals and your own value system instead. Once you have this, you can work to develop defence behaviours to help you opt out and not be guilted to engage in this subtext, and hold firm in your own value system. Although sadly, you will have to keep fighting against this pressure until you stop being attractive to men or they stop interacting with you through objectification... Unfortunately, I think some of that is just natural human behaviour so can't ever see it fully coming to a stop.
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  294.  @savannahscotland1166  Honestly, I think that all this hate for Cassie is really messy and toxic... The main message of the show is literally " we all make bad decision, but nonetheless we're able to improve ourself. We should be less judicious towards others and ourself". But most people apply this message on everyone but Cassie. We all know Cassie has her fair share of mistakes, but its so overlooked that Nate is a manipulative person, not just with Maddy. We should remember that Cassie was deeply depressed and fragile, she felt empty and lonely, i personally think that Nate took advantage of her vulnerability to forget his feelings. I cant understand how so many people underestimate his influence on Cassie while Maddy has INCRIMINATED an INNOCENT person only to protect Nate. Also, i found the Lesley's play down straight cruel and humiliating to Cassie, because for me it was done with no particular moral intent, but mostly with envy. This is pure slutshaming for me. I think that season 2 was too ipocrite with the initial message and i hate the way Cassie has been represented. The narrative is really too ambiguous with her, because it begans to make her look like a ridiculous villain instead of a more real and complex character. We have all forgive Rue, even though she had ruined her family's life, she used to be manipulative and a liar, because she was obviously hurt. And likewise happens with every other characters. So why people can't even try to empathize a little with what Cassie is going through? This seems kinda misogyny to me...ops
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  295. Honestly, I think that all this hate for Cassie is really messy and toxic... The main message of the show is literally " we all make bad decision, but nonetheless we're able to improve ourself. We should be less judicious towards others and ourself". But most people apply this message on everyone but Cassie. We all know Cassie has her fair share of mistakes, but its so overlooked that Nate is a manipulative person, not just with Maddy. We should remember that Cassie was deeply depressed and fragile, she felt empty and lonely, i personally think that Nate took advantage of her vulnerability to forget his feelings. I cant understand how so many people underestimate his influence on Cassie while Maddy has INCRIMINATED an INNOCENT person only to protect Nate. Also, i found the Lesley's play down straight cruel and humiliating to Cassie, because for me it was done with no particular moral intent, but mostly with envy. This is pure slutshaming for me. I think that season 2 was too ipocrite with the initial message and i hate the way Cassie has been represented. The narrative is really too ambiguous with her, because it begans to make her look like a ridiculous villain instead of a more real and complex character. We have all forgive Rue, even though she had ruined her family's life, she used to be manipulative and a liar, because she was obviously hurt. And likewise happens with every other characters. So why people can't even try to empathize a little with what Cassie is going through? This seems kinda misogyny to me...ops
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  296. The part about how actually relatable Cassie's behavior is to young girl's is true for some people. I've seen this behavior but also amongst grown-ups. I've done this myself to some degree but I could never loose myself for someone else. A bit like Maddy but not completely. Which is why I am so disappointed at Cassie but still gets her. And it's often because of this patriarchal society brainwashing everyone, with an uterus, to behave that way while at the same time shaming us for doing it too. Damn if you do, damn if you don't. And it does tells us, no matter what gender, to loose ourselves into this one person because that's true love. No that's what's called toxic monogamy.
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  297. I grew up around addiction, and experience my own, so Rue is a very relatable character for me. That being said, I started developing in fourth grade. I understand Cassie so well, because one day people just stopped treating me like a kid. They just commented on my physical appearance and made suggestive comments. I was never mad at her… I just felt so bad for her. Her routine of getting up early to beautify for Nate was tragic enough, without him ignoring her every single time. She’s not a bad person, but she doesn’t know how to be of value any other way because nobody gave her the chance. People don’t tell her she’s kind, or smart, or funny… they talk about her looks. I couldn’t be a teenager today
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  298. i agree with this lol
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  299. Honestly, I think that all this hate for Cassie is really messy and toxic... The main message of the show is literally " we all make bad decision, but nonetheless we're able to improve ourself. We should be less judicious towards others and ourself". But most people apply this message on everyone but Cassie. We all know Cassie has her fair share of mistakes, but its so overlooked that Nate is a manipulative person, not just with Maddy. We should remember that Cassie was deeply depressed and fragile, she felt empty and lonely, i personally think that Nate took advantage of her vulnerability to forget his feelings. I cant understand how so many people underestimate his influence on Cassie while Maddy has INCRIMINATED an INNOCENT person only to protect Nate. Also, i found the Lesley's play down straight cruel and humiliating to Cassie, because for me it was done with no particular moral intent, but mostly with envy. This is pure slutshaming for me. I think that season 2 was too ipocrite with the initial message and i hate the way Cassie has been represented. The narrative is really too ambiguous with her, because it begans to make her look like a ridiculous villain instead of a more real and complex character. We have all forgive Rue, even though she had ruined her family's life, she used to be manipulative and a liar, because she was obviously hurt. And likewise happens with every other characters. So why people can't even try to empathize a little with what Cassie is going through? This seems kinda misogyny to me...ops
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  300.  @myouiminaswaifu8458  I think parents needs to stop having this image or expectation of what they want their child turn to be. It’ll be a real disappointment knowing your kid did not lead your expectations and make their own path that you do not approve of. It doesn’t matter. Maybe do not have kids. If you can’t handle the fact if they end up trans, gay, p star, s worker, etc. Just don’t have kids. Anything can happen. They’re not going to be like you. Sorry. I know it’s a hard pill to swallow. Stop having kids just to make a mini me.
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  301. Idk what to think of this comment section, there’s so many very well thought out and argued points and analysis, but also so much ”Yeah scarjo’s an idiot, women have to be sexual what else do they got. Juicy milkers are great, I need to see them or I become disinterested!😤” Which just drives me nuts. The video itself, I can’t tell which side it’s on, it’s decently argued but also feels a bit simplistic and bit too stuck to pretty dusty and old ideas about women and men. Also I think it’s maybe a bit unfair to judge her for taking on sexy roles in the past, times are changing, those types of roles were maybe something she thought she just had to do, no option, to become an actor or to further her career. We don’t know is she was comfortable with Hollywood profiling her that way or not. But yeah I’m kind of sad if his opinion is that women have to be sensual and men have to be strong brutes for a movie to work. Playing around with traits just needs to be done well. On the other hand I agree that in order for a female character to be intimidating or strong doesn’t mean femininity needs to, or should be erased.
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  302. Honestly, I think that all this hate for Cassie is really messy and toxic... The main message of the show is literally " we all make bad decision, but nonetheless we're able to improve ourself. We should be less judicious towards others and ourself". But most people apply this message on everyone but Cassie. We all know Cassie has her fair share of mistakes, but its so overlooked that Nate is a manipulative person, not just with Maddy. We should remember that Cassie was deeply depressed and fragile, she felt empty and lonely, i personally think that Nate took advantage of her vulnerability to forget his feelings. I cant understand how so many people underestimate his influence on Cassie while Maddy has INCRIMINATED an INNOCENT person only to protect Nate. Also, i found the Lesley's play down straight cruel and humiliating to Cassie, because for me it was done with no particular moral intent, but mostly with envy. This is pure slutshaming for me. I think that season 2 was too ipocrite with the initial message and i hate the way Cassie has been represented. The narrative is really too ambiguous with her, because it begans to make her look like a ridiculous villain instead of a more real and complex character. We have all forgive Rue, even though she had ruined her family's life, she used to be manipulative and a liar, because she was obviously hurt. And likewise happens with every other characters. So why people can't even try to empathize a little with what Cassie is going through? This seems kinda misogyny to me...ops
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  303.  @ian2690  We don't have to vindicate the Other Woman in an attempt to de-villainise her. The Other Woman is a complex figure, and that's a good thing! It can be interesting to delve into exactly why she feels compelled to go after a married man. She could be used to reflect the patriarchal impulse to be "superior" to another woman by catering to a man's desires, she could be used to deconstruct the notion that women are automatically self-sacrificing romantics and (*gasp!*) can be selfish; in short, privileging her perspective is an opportunity to represent a real, flawed human being. But let's not make her into an angel... because no one is. 'Waitress' offers a good example of the Other Woman as a nuanced figure. Dr Pommater is in a relatively happy marriage (from the little we see of his wife there is nothing abusive about her), yet he cheats with the film/musical's protagonist, Jenna. Jenna is in an abusive relationship and has been stifled by her man-child husband and aborted ambitions - and the affair is a meaningful way of reclaiming her agency. But both the film and the musical show Jenna agonising over the affair and her acceptance that it is hurtful to Dr Pommater's wife even if it helped Jenna fight back against her abuser and get through an unplanned pregnancy. And that's life - women are not manipulative one-dimensional femme fatales vying for a married man out of nothing but sadism, they are people who should not be villified even if they are not absolved.
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  304. This comments section is the biggest yikes fest I have ever seen. Literally NOTHING but sex-shaming. We've got a whole lot of work to do when there are hundreds of people unifying around the notion that there is something wrong to consenting to do sex work. Being against sex work or ashamed of it will literally never make sense; the overwhelming majority of y'all aren't even virgins, and have likely had multiple partners, yet somebody choosing to take what you're already doing for free and turn it into a profit is somehow problematic? Even if you wanted to suggest that your sexual encounters were "special" and "not just with anybody," that's ignoring that that's simply YOUR choice, and that not everybody shares those values. On the other hand, that's also devaluing the joy of the work. Not every porn star JUST does it for the money; MANY sex workers do it BECAUSE it is also special for them, too. Perhaps not in the same way, but special nonetheless. Surely y'all understand that just because this is a Japanese channel, you don't actually have to BE like the Japanese, that is, ruthlessly close-minded and conservative, right? Not to mention, this notion the porn "follows" you is just being overly-simplistic. In much the same way that you can still find employment despite being fired from the five jobs you held prior, you can also find employment without your employer ever knowing you did sex work. Same too, you can also enter into meaningful relationships as well. Obviously, not everybody is comfortable dating somebody who is or was a sex worker, but then, I'm not comfortable dating close-minded sex-shaming assholes like the hundreds of y'all in the comments, so really, maybe we should just let people make their consensual choices and shut the actual fuck up if we don't personally agree with them, HMM?!
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  305.  @jmwilliamsart  Some comments make me wonder what would they say if instead of a daughter, it was a son. Even this father, like, if he had a son who is a pronstar, would he be in this video? I've read a lot of people talking about how ashamed female pronstars should be, but when it comes to male, it's totally different, i've even seen people joking about how every men's dream job is to become a pronstar from age 13. Imo, both can be good or bad, of course, it is more common to have women being degraded in pron videos, even if it is a vanilla one, but i'm sure that there are bad sides for any gender. At least, there are people trying to change this scenario, maybe one day people will stop saying so many bad things about women who want to and work as pronstars, and just think that they chose this job, because they like it.
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  306.  @jmwilliamsart  Let me go against the grain here with regards to the popular opinion in the comment section. There is nothing degrading about being a sex worker, sex work does not make you a lesser person or less educated and while you might end up being on the internet forever, as long as society doesn't judge you, that shouldn't be a big deal. Would I want my child (daughter OR SON) doing this stuff? No. Why? I don't trust some of the higher ups in these industries. Some of these people are shady and treat women particularly like crap. But that could improve and has made significant progress as more women started to take control. My second main reason is the misogyny my daughter would face by both men AND women (including Feminists) for simply recording and distributing something that most people do. Some of these women, maybe not in Japan but in America and Europe, make ridiculous amounts of money by simply showing the physical intimacy I their monogamous relationship between themselves and their partner. They're doing the same things they'd do, just recording and distributing it for tens of thousands to hundreds of thousands of dollars. Why does this affect them with regards to how they are perceived? Why should this affect them with regards to getting a job or running for office? How are they inherently bad people because they filmed themselves f*ck?
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  307.  @justwork10hadaytheory96  Let me go against the grain here with regards to the popular opinion in the comment section. There is nothing degrading about being a sex worker, sex work does not make you a lesser person or less educated and while you might end up being on the internet forever, as long as society doesn't judge you, that shouldn't be a big deal. Would I want my child (daughter OR SON) doing this stuff? No. Why? I don't trust some of the higher ups in these industries. Some of these people are shady and treat women particularly like crap. But that could improve and has made significant progress as more women started to take control. My second main reason is the misogyny my daughter would face by both men AND women (including Feminists) for simply recording and distributing something that most people do. Some of these women, maybe not in Japan but in America and Europe, make ridiculous amounts of money by simply showing the physical intimacy I their monogamous relationship between themselves and their partner. They're doing the same things they'd do, just recording and distributing it for tens of thousands to hundreds of thousands of dollars. Why does this affect them with regards to how they are perceived? Why should this affect them with regards to getting a job or running for office? How are they inherently bad people because they filmed themselves f*ck?
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  308. @Trinity M Some comments make me wonder what would they say if instead of a daughter, it was a son. Even this father, like, if he had a son who is a pronstar, would he be in this video? I've read a lot of people talking about how ashamed female pronstars should be, but when it comes to male, it's totally different, i've even seen people joking about how every men's dream job is to become a pronstar from age 13. Imo, both can be good or bad, of course, it is more common to have women being degraded in pron videos, even if it is a vanilla one, but i'm sure that there are bad sides for any gender. At least, there are people trying to change this scenario, maybe one day people will stop saying so many bad things about women who want to and work as pronstars, and just think that they chose this job, because they like it.
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  309. Let me go against the grain here with regards to the popular opinion in the comment section. There is nothing degrading about being a sex worker, sex work does not make you a lesser person or less educated and while you might end up being on the internet forever, as long as society doesn't judge you, that shouldn't be a big deal. Would I want my child (daughter OR SON) doing this stuff? No. Why? I don't trust some of the higher ups in these industries. Some of these people are shady and treat women particularly like crap. But that could improve and has made significant progress as more women started to take control. My second main reason is the misogyny my daughter would face by both men AND women (including Feminists) for simply recording and distributing something that most people do. Some of these women, maybe not in Japan but in America and Europe, make ridiculous amounts of money by simply showing the physical intimacy I their monogamous relationship between themselves and their partner. They're doing the same things they'd do, just recording and distributing it for tens of thousands to hundreds of thousands of dollars. Why does this affect them with regards to how they are perceived? Why should this affect them with regards to getting a job or running for office? How are they inherently bad people because they filmed themselves f*ck?
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  310. Honestly, I think that all this hate for Cassie is really messy and toxic... The main message of the show is literally " we all make bad decision, but nonetheless we're able to improve ourself. We should be less judicious towards others and ourself". But most people apply this message on everyone but Cassie. We all know Cassie has her fair share of mistakes, but its so overlooked that Nate is a manipulative person, not just with Maddy. We should remember that Cassie was deeply depressed and fragile, she felt empty and lonely, i personally think that Nate took advantage of her vulnerability to forget his feelings. I cant understand how so many people underestimate his influence on Cassie while Maddy has INCRIMINATED an INNOCENT person only to protect Nate. Also, i found the Lesley's play down straight cruel and humiliating to Cassie, because for me it was done with no particular moral intent, but mostly with envy. This is pure slutshaming for me. I think that season 2 was too ipocrite with the initial message and i hate the way Cassie has been represented. The narrative is really too ambiguous with her, because it begans to make her look like a ridiculous villain instead of a more real and complex character. We have all forgive Rue, even though she had ruined her family's life, she used to be manipulative and a liar, because she was obviously hurt. And likewise happens with every other characters. So why people can't even try to empathize a little with what Cassie is going through? This seems kinda misogyny to me...ops
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  311. Honestly, I think that all this hate for Cassie is really messy and toxic... The main message of the show is literally " we all make bad decision, but nonetheless we're able to improve ourself. We should be less judicious towards others and ourself". But most people apply this message on everyone but Cassie. We all know Cassie has her fair share of mistakes, but its so overlooked that Nate is a manipulative person, not just with Maddy. We should remember that Cassie was deeply depressed and fragile, she felt empty and lonely, i personally think that Nate took advantage of her vulnerability to forget his feelings. I cant understand how so many people underestimate his influence on Cassie while Maddy has INCRIMINATED an INNOCENT person only to protect Nate. Also, i found the Lesley's play down straight cruel and humiliating to Cassie, because for me it was done with no particular moral intent, but mostly with envy. This is pure slutshaming for me. I think that season 2 was too ipocrite with the initial message and i hate the way Cassie has been represented. The narrative is really too ambiguous with her, because it begans to make her look like a ridiculous villain instead of a more real and complex character. We have all forgive Rue, even though she had ruined her family's life, she used to be manipulative and a liar, because she was obviously hurt. And likewise happens with every other characters. So why people can't even try to empathize a little with what Cassie is going through? This seems kinda misogyny to me...ops
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  312. Idk what to think of this comment section, there’s so many very well thought out and argued points and analysis, but also so much ”Yeah scarjo’s an idiot, women have to be sexual what else do they got. Juicy milkers are great, I need to see them or I become disinterested!😤” Which just drives me nuts. The video itself, I can’t tell which side it’s on, it’s decently argued but also feels a bit simplistic and bit too stuck to pretty dusty and old ideas about women and men. Also I think it’s maybe a bit unfair to judge her for taking on sexy roles in the past, times are changing, those types of roles were maybe something she thought she just had to do, no option, to become an actor or to further her career. We don’t know is she was comfortable with Hollywood profiling her that way or not. But yeah I’m kind of sad if his opinion is that women have to be sensual and men have to be strong brutes for a movie to work. Playing around with traits just needs to be done well. On the other hand I agree that in order for a female character to be intimidating or strong doesn’t mean femininity needs to, or should be erased.
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  313. @Lyba 🦋 I say this, I have met women who have had multiple sexual partners, have repented of their past behavior and make excellent mothers and wives. I have also met women who have married as virgins and become bitter, callus, and unfaithful in their marriages. Personally, my marriage ended from a woman who was unfaithful to me and we did it “the right way.” I am not saying multiple partner women or virgins are better, but I am saying see where she is at now. Where is her mind at now. What does she think of her past now. These things matter more holistically.
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  314. "black widows are literally meant to be sexy huhdeduh" is just an impressive lack of historical knowledge. Black widows were just the name for female suicide bombers in the soviet nations (origin Chechen terrorists). Had nothing to do with looks. They were called widows because they more often than not, were the widow of a terrorist.
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  315. Honestly, I think that all this hate for Cassie is really messy and toxic... The main message of the show is literally " we all make bad decision, but nonetheless we're able to improve ourself. We should be less judicious towards others and ourself". But most people apply this message on everyone but Cassie. We all know Cassie has her fair share of mistakes, but its so overlooked that Nate is a manipulative person, not just with Maddy. We should remember that Cassie was deeply depressed and fragile, she felt empty and lonely, i personally think that Nate took advantage of her vulnerability to forget his feelings. I cant understand how so many people underestimate his influence on Cassie while Maddy has INCRIMINATED an INNOCENT person only to protect Nate. Also, i found the Lesley's play down straight cruel and humiliating to Cassie, because for me it was done with no particular moral intent, but mostly with envy. This is pure slutshaming for me. I think that season 2 was too ipocrite with the initial message and i hate the way Cassie has been represented. The narrative is really too ambiguous with her, because it begans to make her look like a ridiculous villain instead of a more real and complex character. We have all forgive Rue, even though she had ruined her family's life, she used to be manipulative and a liar, because she was obviously hurt. And likewise happens with every other characters. So why people can't even try to empathize a little with what Cassie is going through? This seems kinda misogyny to me...ops
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  316. It's so weird to me that a country as open sexually as Japan is would have such a hard time accepting sex when it's someone they know. I don't have any issue of a family member wanted to join the sex industry. The industry you choose doesn't matter. What matters is how well you run your business, if you're paying your bills, and if what you're doing brings you joy. Rubbing bodies together is not a shame. Bad sex is a shame. Getting caught in debt traps is a shame. Not knowing how to provide for yourself or how to adapt to do something different and or better is a shame. Sex as an industry shouldn't be a shame.
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  317. I don't want to excuse Cassie for what she did, but people seem to be so desensitized with Nate and think he's only doing what's expected of him that they end up forgetting that he's the biggest problem here. Realistically, I would react the same way Maddie did, because Cassie broke her trust and if someone you bonded with so much just broke your trust and got with your ex-ABUSIVE boyfriend, that would deeply hurt you, but Nate needs to take responsibility for his actions as well, not just Cassie. He ain't even facing any consequences despite being so much of a jack-ass. He only got beaten once meanwhile Cassie always needs to take blame even before this entire incident. Plus, people seem to forget about Cassie's passion for ice skating. Instead of making season 2 about her trying to find herself after all the heartbreak, regaining her love for ice skating and pursuing it. I know that putting her together with Nate creates more drama, making it more interesting to viewers and that's what they want, but it's also kinda demeaning to Cassie as a person. I'm being way too invested but like I'm just kinda sad, I wanted Cassie to grow but her world only fell apart, and yes she did questionable things in the past, I don't excuse any of her wrongdoings but the point is wanting to see her grow and since she's literally just a character so I believe they could have molded her differently. Also like someone said, her true love doesn't have to be a man, it could be anyone, it doesn't have to be romantic. As long as it helps her grow and uplifts her, helps her become a better person, then that's who you can consider her true love. It's so sad to see Maddie and Cassie pitted against each other; "Bitch you're my soulmate"😭😭😭
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  318.  @odysseus2656  I say this, I have met women who have had multiple sexual partners, have repented of their past behavior and make excellent mothers and wives. I have also met women who have married as virgins and become bitter, callus, and unfaithful in their marriages. Personally, my marriage ended from a woman who was unfaithful to me and we did it “the right way.” I am not saying multiple partner women or virgins are better, but I am saying see where she is at now. Where is her mind at now. What does she think of her past now. These things matter more holistically.
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  319.  @alexarias5717  i know right, its funny that men always preach about holding women accountable for their actions, yet at the same time defending other men for their cheating behavior, saying things like" its in men nature to cheat, all men will cheat beacuse of urges, your husband will cheat on you , deal with it!" The same excuses women make to escape repsonsibilities. Oh the hypocrisy ! i realize from some of the comments here that, some men( not all) will never hold other men accountable, its like accountablity is their kryptonite lol
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  320.  @alexarias5717  i second this opinion
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  321. i agree
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  322. I think the argument is too black and white. Either its all female voodoo or a girly with an apes bod. Women don't need muscle to be strong, but they need more than a body to be a good character. I think Arcane does a spectacular job at writing women who are people before their gender. For instance the punching Powerhouse Vi, who beats the shit out of people. She punches before she thinks, but thats not because she's an angry feminist... she grew up in an environment where you had to fight to survive. Plus, she was in charge of her ragtag siblings, prepped to be a leader by her adoptive father. The difference is that seducing people and then beating them up won't really work for the problems she faces. So, conditions effect character. Black windows tactic works with the conditions of a modern world, and kinda points out the flaws in the men she seduces rather than her seducing. The problem is that marvel is trying to appeal more to kids so they gotta water down characters a bit. She's a morally grey character and that's why she's cool. It's not about being more manly because men exist in different conditions. I think if we want to see a more human side to black window, they could maybe show how she feels about her tactic, make her get fed up and lash out because changing the character without confronting the conditioned behavior washes away the humanity.
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  323.  @darliiingz03  "black widows are literally meant to be sexy huhdeduh" is just an impressive lack of historical knowledge. Black widows were just the name for female suicide bombers in the soviet nations (origin Chechen terrorists). Had nothing to do with looks. They were called widows because they more often than not, were the widow of a terrorist.
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  324. Honestly, I think that all this hate for Cassie is really messy and toxic... The main message of the show is literally " we all make bad decision, but nonetheless we're able to improve ourself. We should be less judicious towards others and ourself". But most people apply this message on everyone but Cassie. We all know Cassie has her fair share of mistakes, but its so overlooked that Nate is a manipulative person, not just with Maddy. We should remember that Cassie was deeply depressed and fragile, she felt empty and lonely, i personally think that Nate took advantage of her vulnerability to forget his feelings. I cant understand how so many people underestimate his influence on Cassie while Maddy has INCRIMINATED an INNOCENT person only to protect Nate. Also, i found the Lesley's play down straight cruel and humiliating to Cassie, because for me it was done with no particular moral intent, but mostly with envy. This is pure slutshaming for me. I think that season 2 was too ipocrite with the initial message and i hate the way Cassie has been represented. The narrative is really too ambiguous with her, because it begans to make her look like a ridiculous villain instead of a more real and complex character. We have all forgive Rue, even though she had ruined her family's life, she used to be manipulative and a liar, because she was obviously hurt. And likewise happens with every other characters. So why people can't even try to empathize a little with what Cassie is going through? This seems kinda misogyny to me...ops
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  325. This comments section is the biggest yikes fest I have ever seen. Literally NOTHING but sex-shaming. We've got a whole lot of work to do when there are hundreds of people unifying around the notion that there is something wrong to consenting to do sex work. Being against sex work or ashamed of it will literally never make sense; the overwhelming majority of y'all aren't even virgins, and have likely had multiple partners, yet somebody choosing to take what you're already doing for free and turn it into a profit is somehow problematic? Even if you wanted to suggest that your sexual encounters were "special" and "not just with anybody," that's ignoring that that's simply YOUR choice, and that not everybody shares those values. On the other hand, that's also devaluing the joy of the work. Not every porn star JUST does it for the money; MANY sex workers do it BECAUSE it is also special for them, too. Perhaps not in the same way, but special nonetheless. Surely y'all understand that just because this is a Japanese channel, you don't actually have to BE like the Japanese, that is, ruthlessly close-minded and conservative, right? Not to mention, this notion the porn "follows" you is just being overly-simplistic. In much the same way that you can still find employment despite being fired from the five jobs you held prior, you can also find employment without your employer ever knowing you did sex work. Same too, you can also enter into meaningful relationships as well. Obviously, not everybody is comfortable dating somebody who is or was a sex worker, but then, I'm not comfortable dating close-minded sex-shaming assholes like the hundreds of y'all in the comments, so really, maybe we should just let people make their consensual choices and shut the actual fuck up if we don't personally agree with them, HMM?!
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  326.  @Yomel123  First study (By Family Studies): shows a drop from 73% to about 65% if you have 2 other partners prior to marriage, but then essentially stays at that level through up to 10 previous partners. But what does that prove since the vast majority of men AND women in western society have had sex with multiple partners by the time they married AND marriages NOW are taking place much later. So, did this study control for the age of the women? Did the study control for religiosity since women marrying with no previous sex partners may have had arranged marriages. I'm not convinced at all (from the graph alone) that the study methodology is convincing that there is a difference between no pre-marital partners and TEN pre-marital partners. :). Looking at the second study (Family Study; 5 year prediction of divorce by number of people spouses slept with prior to marriage). I'm in the biz of sociology/psychology so am reasonably familiar with research. I don't have the actual study in front of me, but the graph alone is problematic. Notice how you go from 5% chance of divorce if 0 previous partners jumping to 20% if 1 previous partner, then 30% if 2 previous partners, but then after that, an actual drop off to 25% if you've had 10 or more partners pre-marriage! So if pre-marital sex with others is a factor there should be a consistent rise on the x/y axes (if 1-2 makes a difference, then even more should make more difference). But that's not shown here, so I'm not convinced that this study has proven anything.
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  327. It is more of a society thing. People lived for centuries with purpose to find a partner and have kids and women had to marry in order to have a decent life because they were very dependent of men. Nor men nor women never really had the freedom to live for themselves. Nowadays we don't have to feel the pressure to find a partner because of society and I think it is good. They are a lot of single men and women and it is normal.
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  328. We don't have to vindicate the Other Woman in an attempt to de-villainise her. The Other Woman is a complex figure, and that's a good thing! It can be interesting to delve into exactly why she feels compelled to go after a married man. She could be used to reflect the patriarchal impulse to be "superior" to another woman by catering to a man's desires, she could be used to deconstruct the notion that women are automatically self-sacrificing romantics and (*gasp!*) can be selfish; in short, privileging her perspective is an opportunity to represent a real, flawed human being. But let's not make her into an angel... because no one is. 'Waitress' offers a good example of the Other Woman as a nuanced figure. Dr Pommater is in a relatively happy marriage (from the little we see of his wife there is nothing abusive about her), yet he cheats with the film/musical's protagonist, Jenna. Jenna is in an abusive relationship and has been stifled by her man-child husband and aborted ambitions - and the affair is a meaningful way of reclaiming her agency. But both the film and the musical show Jenna agonising over the affair and her acceptance that it is hurtful to Dr Pommater's wife even if it helped Jenna fight back against her abuser and get through an unplanned pregnancy. And that's life - women are not manipulative one-dimensional femme fatales vying for a married man out of nothing but sadism, they are people who should not be villified even if they are not absolved.
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  329.  @Rouf95785  Some comments make me wonder what would they say if instead of a daughter, it was a son. Even this father, like, if he had a son who is a pronstar, would he be in this video? I've read a lot of people talking about how ashamed female pronstars should be, but when it comes to male, it's totally different, i've even seen people joking about how every men's dream job is to become a pronstar from age 13. Imo, both can be good or bad, of course, it is more common to have women being degraded in pron videos, even if it is a vanilla one, but i'm sure that there are bad sides for any gender. At least, there are people trying to change this scenario, maybe one day people will stop saying so many bad things about women who want to and work as pronstars, and just think that they chose this job, because they like it.
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  330. Some comments make me wonder what would they say if instead of a daughter, it was a son. Even this father, like, if he had a son who is a pronstar, would he be in this video? I've read a lot of people talking about how ashamed female pronstars should be, but when it comes to male, it's totally different, i've even seen people joking about how every men's dream job is to become a pronstar from age 13. Imo, both can be good or bad, of course, it is more common to have women being degraded in pron videos, even if it is a vanilla one, but i'm sure that there are bad sides for any gender. At least, there are people trying to change this scenario, maybe one day people will stop saying so many bad things about women who want to and work as pronstars, and just think that they chose this job, because they like it.
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  331. Some comments make me wonder what would they say if instead of a daughter, it was a son. Even this father, like, if he had a son who is a pronstar, would he be in this video? I've read a lot of people talking about how ashamed female pronstars should be, but when it comes to male, it's totally different, i've even seen people joking about how every men's dream job is to become a pronstar from age 13. Imo, both can be good or bad, of course, it is more common to have women being degraded in pron videos, even if it is a vanilla one, but i'm sure that there are bad sides for any gender. At least, there are people trying to change this scenario, maybe one day people will stop saying so many bad things about women who want to and work as pronstars, and just think that they chose this job, because they like it.
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  332. This comments section is the biggest yikes fest I have ever seen. Literally NOTHING but sex-shaming. We've got a whole lot of work to do when there are hundreds of people unifying around the notion that there is something wrong to consenting to do sex work. Being against sex work or ashamed of it will literally never make sense; the overwhelming majority of y'all aren't even virgins, and have likely had multiple partners, yet somebody choosing to take what you're already doing for free and turn it into a profit is somehow problematic? Even if you wanted to suggest that your sexual encounters were "special" and "not just with anybody," that's ignoring that that's simply YOUR choice, and that not everybody shares those values. On the other hand, that's also devaluing the joy of the work. Not every porn star JUST does it for the money; MANY sex workers do it BECAUSE it is also special for them, too. Perhaps not in the same way, but special nonetheless. Surely y'all understand that just because this is a Japanese channel, you don't actually have to BE like the Japanese, that is, ruthlessly close-minded and conservative, right? Not to mention, this notion the porn "follows" you is just being overly-simplistic. In much the same way that you can still find employment despite being fired from the five jobs you held prior, you can also find employment without your employer ever knowing you did sex work. Same too, you can also enter into meaningful relationships as well. Obviously, not everybody is comfortable dating somebody who is or was a sex worker, but then, I'm not comfortable dating close-minded sex-shaming assholes like the hundreds of y'all in the comments, so really, maybe we should just let people make their consensual choices and shut the actual fuck up if we don't personally agree with them, HMM?!
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  333. Some comments make me wonder what would they say if instead of a daughter, it was a son. Even this father, like, if he had a son who is a pronstar, would he be in this video? I've read a lot of people talking about how ashamed female pronstars should be, but when it comes to male, it's totally different, i've even seen people joking about how every men's dream job is to become a pronstar from age 13. Imo, both can be good or bad, of course, it is more common to have women being degraded in pron videos, even if it is a vanilla one, but i'm sure that there are bad sides for any gender. At least, there are people trying to change this scenario, maybe one day people will stop saying so many bad things about women who want to and work as pronstars, and just think that they chose this job, because they like it.
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  334.  @mezzoecho8692  i agree with this lol
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  335. Those studies shown at the beginning of the video were done by the Institute of Family Studies. Which is a conservative Christian organisation , so I as a feminist would be very suspicious of any findings they came up with.
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  336. First study (By Family Studies): shows a drop from 73% to about 65% if you have 2 other partners prior to marriage, but then essentially stays at that level through up to 10 previous partners. But what does that prove since the vast majority of men AND women in western society have had sex with multiple partners by the time they married AND marriages NOW are taking place much later. So, did this study control for the age of the women? Did the study control for religiosity since women marrying with no previous sex partners may have had arranged marriages. I'm not convinced at all (from the graph alone) that the study methodology is convincing that there is a difference between no pre-marital partners and TEN pre-marital partners. :). Looking at the second study (Family Study; 5 year prediction of divorce by number of people spouses slept with prior to marriage). I'm in the biz of sociology/psychology so am reasonably familiar with research. I don't have the actual study in front of me, but the graph alone is problematic. Notice how you go from 5% chance of divorce if 0 previous partners jumping to 20% if 1 previous partner, then 30% if 2 previous partners, but then after that, an actual drop off to 25% if you've had 10 or more partners pre-marriage! So if pre-marital sex with others is a factor there should be a consistent rise on the x/y axes (if 1-2 makes a difference, then even more should make more difference). But that's not shown here, so I'm not convinced that this study has proven anything.
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  337.  @melgallardo2012  Being a single woman and getting old. In my opinion, marriage or even a relationship isn't for everybody. Too many people made to believe it is.
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  338. I think the argument is too black and white. Either its all female voodoo or a girly with an apes bod. Women don't need muscle to be strong, but they need more than a body to be a good character. I think Arcane does a spectacular job at writing women who are people before their gender. For instance the punching Powerhouse Vi, who beats the shit out of people. She punches before she thinks, but thats not because she's an angry feminist... she grew up in an environment where you had to fight to survive. Plus, she was in charge of her ragtag siblings, prepped to be a leader by her adoptive father. The difference is that seducing people and then beating them up won't really work for the problems she faces. So, conditions effect character. Black windows tactic works with the conditions of a modern world, and kinda points out the flaws in the men she seduces rather than her seducing. The problem is that marvel is trying to appeal more to kids so they gotta water down characters a bit. She's a morally grey character and that's why she's cool. It's not about being more manly because men exist in different conditions. I think if we want to see a more human side to black window, they could maybe show how she feels about her tactic, make her get fed up and lash out because changing the character without confronting the conditioned behavior washes away the humanity.
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  339.  @gryffindorftw6198  Yet more bulshit from the critical drinker. It's not about how we treat the female characters it's about how other characters treat them. In "Edge of Tomorrow" our intro to Rita is hella sexy and is explicitly designed to make us go "damn she's hot". But no characters on-screen would dare refer to her or even talk about her like that. We know the actor is hot, other characters know the character is hot, but it's irrelevant to the plot. In fact, her strength as a character is emphasized by the irrelevance of her beauty to her ability to kick ass.
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  340.  @gryffindorftw6198  Cleavage and "feminine wiles" are useful as a bucket of air when you're fighting terminators and aliens, eh? Tell me that Sarah Connor and Ripley didn't have to rely on guts, resourcefulness and intelligence, and that they are not "womanly". I heard a man say that women don't need financial support for unemployment or housing because they have a vagina. I lump that loathsome comment in with the notion that using sex appeal is a woman's best or only option.
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  341. Yet more bulshit from the critical drinker. It's not about how we treat the female characters it's about how other characters treat them. In "Edge of Tomorrow" our intro to Rita is hella sexy and is explicitly designed to make us go "damn she's hot". But no characters on-screen would dare refer to her or even talk about her like that. We know the actor is hot, other characters know the character is hot, but it's irrelevant to the plot. In fact, her strength as a character is emphasized by the irrelevance of her beauty to her ability to kick ass.
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  342. lmao, hey, at least its better to be single than be in a loveless marriage that leads to cheating and divorce
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  343. I love cassies character. Maybe I haven't seen a lot of movies but I haven't seen a lot of characters with mental problems depicted like she is. Like it's either the sweet anxious/depressed girl or the completely crazy one that's practically a joke. It's good to see a character who's spiralling deeper and deeper beyond help, hurting people around her, unable to break out of her habits even when she wants to. I've had depression too and been there, I want her to get better next season of course but it's sill kind of validating to watch? Weirdly enough. And I don't really mind the ppl who are angry with her, ppl aren't supposed to accommodate u just becuz you're mentally ill. U hv to clean up ur own shiet. And I like how even her family doesn't like her, like that's very real, you really can't expect anything when you're unstable. tbh
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  344.  @DesiCat789  Btw, whats your opinion on Jenny from Forrest Gump as a character ? She is also a flawed female character that get hated a lot for the way she treated Forrest, but Idc what anybody says, Jenny is my favorite character because i can empathize with her due to her upbringing, there is more to her than meets the eye, same goes for character like her, Bojack Horseman, you can find their actions intolerable and still empathize with them, abusive upbringing can damage a person's mind drastically.
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  345. They did her SO DIRTY MAN, I love cassies character. Maybe I haven't seen a lot of movies but I haven't seen a lot of characters with mental problems depicted like she is. Like it's either the sweet anxious/depressed girl or the completely crazy one that's practically a joke. It's good to see a character who's spiralling deeper and deeper beyond help, hurting people around her, unable to break out of her habits even when she wants to. I've had depression too and been there, I want her to get better next season of course but it's sill kind of validating to watch? Weirdly enough. And I don't really mind the ppl who are angry with her, ppl aren't supposed to accommodate u just becuz you're mentally ill. U hv to clean up ur own shiet. And I like how even her family doesn't like her, like that's very real, you really can't expect anything when you're unstable. tbh
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  346. Honestly, I think that all this hate for Cassie is really messy and toxic... The main message of the show is literally " we all make bad decision, but nonetheless we're able to improve ourself. We should be less judicious towards others and ourself". But most people apply this message on everyone but Cassie. We all know Cassie has her fair share of mistakes, but its so overlooked that Nate is a manipulative person, not just with Maddy. We should remember that Cassie was deeply depressed and fragile, she felt empty and lonely, i personally think that Nate took advantage of her vulnerability to forget his feelings. I cant understand how so many people underestimate his influence on Cassie while Maddy has INCRIMINATED an INNOCENT person only to protect Nate. Also, i found the Lesley's play down straight cruel and humiliating to Cassie, because for me it was done with no particular moral intent, but mostly with envy. This is pure slutshaming for me. I think that season 2 was too ipocrite with the initial message and i hate the way Cassie has been represented. The narrative is really too ambiguous with her, because it begans to make her look like a ridiculous villain instead of a more real and complex character. We have all forgive Rue, even though she had ruined her family's life, she used to be manipulative and a liar, because she was obviously hurt. And likewise happens with every other characters. So why people can't even try to empathize a little with what Cassie is going through? This seems kinda misogyny to me...ops
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  347. I love cassies character. Maybe I haven't seen a lot of movies but I haven't seen a lot of characters with mental problems depicted like she is. Like it's either the sweet anxious/depressed girl or the completely crazy one that's practically a joke. It's good to see a character who's spiralling deeper and deeper beyond help, hurting people around her, unable to break out of her habits even when she wants to. I've had depression too and been there, I want her to get better next season of course but it's sill kind of validating to watch? Weirdly enough. And I don't really mind the ppl who are angry with her, ppl aren't supposed to accommodate u just becuz you're mentally ill. U hv to clean up ur own shiet. And I like how even her family doesn't like her, like that's very real, you really can't expect anything when you're unstable. tbh
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  348. Some comments make me wonder what would they say if instead of a daughter, it was a son. Even this father, like, if he had a son who is a pronstar, would he be in this video? I've read a lot of people talking about how ashamed female pronstars should be, but when it comes to male, it's totally different, i've even seen people joking about how every men's dream job is to become a pronstar from age 13. Imo, both can be good or bad, of course, it is more common to have women being degraded in pron videos, even if it is a vanilla one, but i'm sure that there are bad sides for any gender. At least, there are people trying to change this scenario, maybe one day people will stop saying so many bad things about women who want to and work as pronstars, and just think that they chose this job, because they like it.
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  349. Let me go against the grain here with regards to the popular opinion in the comment section. There is nothing degrading about being a sex worker, sex work does not make you a lesser person or less educated and while you might end up being on the internet forever, as long as society doesn't judge you, that shouldn't be a big deal. Would I want my child (daughter OR SON) doing this stuff? No. Why? I don't trust some of the higher ups in these industries. Some of these people are shady and treat women particularly like crap. But that could improve and has made significant progress as more women started to take control. My second main reason is the misogyny my daughter would face by both men AND women (including Feminists) for simply recording and distributing something that most people do. Some of these women, maybe not in Japan but in America and Europe, make ridiculous amounts of money by simply showing the physical intimacy I their monogamous relationship between themselves and their partner. They're doing the same things they'd do, just recording and distributing it for tens of thousands to hundreds of thousands of dollars. Why does this affect them with regards to how they are perceived? Why should this affect them with regards to getting a job or running for office? How are they inherently bad people because they filmed themselves f*ck?
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  350. Some comments make me wonder what would they say if instead of a daughter, it was a son. Even this father, like, if he had a son who is a pronstar, would he be in this video? I've read a lot of people talking about how ashamed female pronstars should be, but when it comes to male, it's totally different, i've even seen people joking about how every men's dream job is to become a pronstar from age 13. Imo, both can be good or bad, of course, it is more common to have women being degraded in pron videos, even if it is a vanilla one, but i'm sure that there are bad sides for any gender. At least, there are people trying to change this scenario, maybe one day people will stop saying so many bad things about women who want to and work as pronstars, and just think that they chose this job, because they like it.
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  351. I love cassies character. Maybe I haven't seen a lot of movies but I haven't seen a lot of characters with mental problems depicted like she is. Like it's either the sweet anxious/depressed girl or the completely crazy one that's practically a joke. It's good to see a character who's spiralling deeper and deeper beyond help, hurting people around her, unable to break out of her habits even when she wants to. I've had depression too and been there, I want her to get better next season of course but it's sill kind of validating to watch? Weirdly enough. And I don't really mind the ppl who are angry with her, ppl aren't supposed to accommodate u just becuz you're mentally ill. U hv to clean up ur own shiet. And I like how even her family doesn't like her, like that's very real, you really can't expect anything when you're unstable. tbh
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  352. Honestly, I think that all this hate for Cassie is really messy and toxic... The main message of the show is literally " we all make bad decision, but nonetheless we're able to improve ourself. We should be less judicious towards others and ourself". But most people apply this message on everyone but Cassie. We all know Cassie has her fair share of mistakes, but its so overlooked that Nate is a manipulative person, not just with Maddy. We should remember that Cassie was deeply depressed and fragile, she felt empty and lonely, i personally think that Nate took advantage of her vulnerability to forget his feelings. I cant understand how so many people underestimate his influence on Cassie while Maddy has INCRIMINATED an INNOCENT person only to protect Nate. Also, i found the Lesley's play down straight cruel and humiliating to Cassie, because for me it was done with no particular moral intent, but mostly with envy. This is pure slutshaming for me. I think that season 2 was too ipocrite with the initial message and i hate the way Cassie has been represented. The narrative is really too ambiguous with her, because it begans to make her look like a ridiculous villain instead of a more real and complex character. We have all forgive Rue, even though she had ruined her family's life, she used to be manipulative and a liar, because she was obviously hurt. And likewise happens with every other characters. So why people can't even try to empathize a little with what Cassie is going through? This seems kinda misogyny to me...ops
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  353. my whole thing with this though is that the thing is there’s a clear market for sex work, so if you’re gonna be against your child doing you need to be against the sex industry as a whole,,, a lot of the comments here are really trying to make it seem like sex work isn’t a valid work option but it is- even with the dangers that come with it a job is a job and if there wasn’t such a heavy demand for it then there wouldn’t be people working in it and people have reasons for not getting another job too (or adding this onto whatever other work they’re already doing),, like,,, sex can pay a lot in the best case scenario this isn’t meant to be invalidating to the fathers feelings though, like it’s understandable how he feels but at the same time,,
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  354. For me, a single, older woman with a good personality and a sense of humor is the perfect partner. I even thought this when I was like, 20 lol. I can't imagine thinking otherwise. Nobody should be made to feel undesirable way because of their age...
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  355.  @wanderlustoceans8205  i agree with this 100%
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  356. Btw, whats your opinion on Jenny from Forrest Gump as a character ? She is also a flawed female character that get hated a lot for the way she treated Forrest, but Idc what anybody says, Jenny is my favorite character because i can empathize with her due to her upbringing, there is more to her than meets the eye, same goes for character like her, Bojack Horseman, you can find their actions intolerable and still empathize with them, abusive upbringing can damage a person's mind drastically.
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  357. i know right, its funny that men always preach about holding women accountable for their actions, yet at the same time defending other men for their cheating behavior, saying things like" its in men nature to cheat, all men will cheat beacuse of urges, your husband will cheat on you , deal with it!" The same excuses women make to escape repsonsibilities. Oh the hypocrisy ! i realize from some of the comments here that, some men( not all) will never hold other men accountable, its like accountablity is their kryptonite lol
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  358. Some comments make me wonder what would they say if instead of a daughter, it was a son. Even this father, like, if he had a son who is a pronstar, would he be in this video? I've read a lot of people talking about how ashamed female pronstars should be, but when it comes to male, it's totally different, i've even seen people joking about how every men's dream job is to become a pronstar from age 13. Imo, both can be good or bad, of course, it is more common to have women being degraded in pron videos, even if it is a vanilla one, but i'm sure that there are bad sides for any gender. At least, there are people trying to change this scenario, maybe one day people will stop saying so many bad things about women who want to and work as pronstars, and just think that they chose this job, because they like it.
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  359. in a sense it s understandable.. sorry but did you how redpill, manosphere and all this sh!t is .. ?? (don't be stupid to put me in an "opposite place" I'm not a woke, a simp, or all these bs.. so before judging listen to my explanation.. Redpill manosphere chanels says: 30yo women ? the wall.. what ? so you want to fuck kids ?? to be with a childish stupid women.. ? 40yo women are far too oldeven if your are 40.. single mother are low value women.. man with all we will even see "hide that you have kids" articles.. at 29 I met a 42yo women, beautiful, very intersting, good person with values, she was a single mother, she never asked me anything about his child and never made him being more important than me.. when he was wrong she was on MY side. she did alot for me, worked alot, was an incredible women always smilling, simple and ready to help. we get married was very happy with her. my actual was also 42 when I met her, I was 36. also single mother and same perfect attitude.. she died hide me nothing about her past (toxicomany, anorexia, prostitution). she always here for me (was 3 times in psychiatric hospital, more than a month each time, she came to see me EVERYDAY ! at a moment when I was mentally ill I didn't want to see her and even doesnt answered to her call and when she came to my place too, hide like I wasnt here.. we still was together.. she came everyday to see me and because I never answered she let every day a note on my door.. do never tell me that these women are low value women and don't diserve love. I won't anger, I would laugh because of how wrong it is..
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  360. Honestly, I think that all this hate for Cassie is really messy and toxic... The main message of the show is literally " we all make bad decision, but nonetheless we're able to improve ourself. We should be less judicious towards others and ourself". But most people apply this message on everyone but Cassie. We all know Cassie has her fair share of mistakes, but its so overlooked that Nate is a manipulative person, not just with Maddy. We should remember that Cassie was deeply depressed and fragile, she felt empty and lonely, i personally think that Nate took advantage of her vulnerability to forget his feelings. I cant understand how so many people underestimate his influence on Cassie while Maddy has INCRIMINATED an INNOCENT person only to protect Nate. Also, i found the Lesley's play down straight cruel and humiliating to Cassie, because for me it was done with no particular moral intent, but mostly with envy. This is pure slutshaming for me. I think that season 2 was too ipocrite with the initial message and i hate the way Cassie has been represented. The narrative is really too ambiguous with her, because it begans to make her look like a ridiculous villain instead of a more real and complex character. We have all forgive Rue, even though she had ruined her family's life, she used to be manipulative and a liar, because she was obviously hurt. And likewise happens with every other characters. So why people can't even try to empathize a little with what Cassie is going through? This seems kinda misogyny to me...ops
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  361. in a sense it s understandable.. sorry but did you how redpill, manosphere and all this sh!t is .. ?? (don't be stupid to put me in an "opposite place" I'm not a woke, a simp, or all these bs.. so before judging listen to my explanation.. Redpill manosphere chanels says: 30yo women ? the wall.. what ? so you want to fuck kids ?? to be with a childish stupid women.. ? 40yo women are far too oldeven if your are 40.. single mother are low value women.. man with all we will even see "hide that you have kids" articles.. at 29 I met a 42yo women, beautiful, very intersting, good person with values, she was a single mother, she never asked me anything about his child and never made him being more important than me.. when he was wrong she was on MY side. she did alot for me, worked alot, was an incredible women always smilling, simple and ready to help. we get married was very happy with her. my actual was also 42 when I met her, I was 36. also single mother and same perfect attitude.. she died hide me nothing about her past (toxicomany, anorexia, prostitution). she always here for me (was 3 times in psychiatric hospital, more than a month each time, she came to see me EVERYDAY ! at a moment when I was mentally ill I didn't want to see her and even doesnt answered to her call and when she came to my place too, hide like I wasnt here.. we still was together.. she came everyday to see me and because I never answered she let every day a note on my door.. do never tell me that these women are low value women and don't diserve love. I won't anger, I would laugh because of how wrong it is..
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  362. tbh i never ask that question tbh
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  363. Honestly, I think that all this hate for Cassie is really messy and toxic... The main message of the show is literally " we all make bad decision, but nonetheless we're able to improve ourself. We should be less judicious towards others and ourself". But most people apply this message on everyone but Cassie. We all know Cassie has her fair share of mistakes, but its so overlooked that Nate is a manipulative person, not just with Maddy. We should remember that Cassie was deeply depressed and fragile, she felt empty and lonely, i personally think that Nate took advantage of her vulnerability to forget his feelings. I cant understand how so many people underestimate his influence on Cassie while Maddy has INCRIMINATED an INNOCENT person only to protect Nate. Also, i found the Lesley's play down straight cruel and humiliating to Cassie, because for me it was done with no particular moral intent, but mostly with envy. This is pure slutshaming for me. I think that season 2 was too ipocrite with the initial message and i hate the way Cassie has been represented. The narrative is really too ambiguous with her, because it begans to make her look like a ridiculous villain instead of a more real and complex character. We have all forgive Rue, even though she had ruined her family's life, she used to be manipulative and a liar, because she was obviously hurt. And likewise happens with every other characters. So why people can't even try to empathize a little with what Cassie is going through? This seems kinda misogyny to me...ops
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  364. Let me go against the grain here with regards to the popular opinion in the comment section. There is nothing degrading about being a sex worker, sex work does not make you a lesser person or less educated and while you might end up being on the internet forever, as long as society doesn't judge you, that shouldn't be a big deal. Would I want my child (daughter OR SON) doing this stuff? No. Why? I don't trust some of the higher ups in these industries. Some of these people are shady and treat women particularly like crap. But that could improve and has made significant progress as more women started to take control. My second main reason is the misogyny my daughter would face by both men AND women (including Feminists) for simply recording and distributing something that most people do. Some of these women, maybe not in Japan but in America and Europe, make ridiculous amounts of money by simply showing the physical intimacy I their monogamous relationship between themselves and their partner. They're doing the same things they'd do, just recording and distributing it for tens of thousands to hundreds of thousands of dollars. Why does this affect them with regards to how they are perceived? Why should this affect them with regards to getting a job or running for office? How are they inherently bad people because they filmed themselves f*ck?
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  365. I love cassies character. Maybe I haven't seen a lot of movies but I haven't seen a lot of characters with mental problems depicted like she is. Like it's either the sweet anxious/depressed girl or the completely crazy one that's practically a joke. It's good to see a character who's spiralling deeper and deeper beyond help, hurting people around her, unable to break out of her habits even when she wants to. I've had depression too and been there, I want her to get better next season of course but it's sill kind of validating to watch? Weirdly enough. And I don't really mind the ppl who are angry with her, ppl aren't supposed to accommodate u just becuz you're mentally ill. U hv to clean up ur own shiet. And I like how even her family doesn't like her, like that's very real, you really can't expect anything when you're unstable. tbh
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  366. @Lyba 🦋 in a sense it s understandable.. sorry but did you how redpill, manosphere and all this sh!t is .. ?? (don't be stupid to put me in an "opposite place" I'm not a woke, a simp, or all these bs.. so before judging listen to my explanation.. Redpill manosphere chanels says: 30yo women ? the wall.. what ? so you want to fuck kids ?? to be with a childish stupid women.. ? 40yo women are far too oldeven if your are 40.. single mother are low value women.. man with all we will even see "hide that you have kids" articles.. at 29 I met a 42yo women, beautiful, very intersting, good person with values, she was a single mother, she never asked me anything about his child and never made him being more important than me.. when he was wrong she was on MY side. she did alot for me, worked alot, was an incredible women always smilling, simple and ready to help. we get married was very happy with her. my actual was also 42 when I met her, I was 36. also single mother and same perfect attitude.. she died hide me nothing about her past (toxicomany, anorexia, prostitution). she always here for me (was 3 times in psychiatric hospital, more than a month each time, she came to see me EVERYDAY ! at a moment when I was mentally ill I didn't want to see her and even doesnt answered to her call and when she came to my place too, hide like I wasnt here.. we still was together.. she came everyday to see me and because I never answered she let every day a note on my door.. do never tell me that these women are low value women and don't diserve love. I won't anger, I would laugh because of how wrong it is..
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  367.  @CatharticCreation  I think the argument is too black and white. Either its all female voodoo or a girly with an apes bod. Women don't need muscle to be strong, but they need more than a body to be a good character. I think Arcane does a spectacular job at writing women who are people before their gender. For instance the punching Powerhouse Vi, who beats the shit out of people. She punches before she thinks, but thats not because she's an angry feminist... she grew up in an environment where you had to fight to survive. Plus, she was in charge of her ragtag siblings, prepped to be a leader by her adoptive father. The difference is that seducing people and then beating them up won't really work for the problems she faces. So, conditions effect character. Black windows tactic works with the conditions of a modern world, and kinda points out the flaws in the men she seduces rather than her seducing. The problem is that marvel is trying to appeal more to kids so they gotta water down characters a bit. She's a morally grey character and that's why she's cool. It's not about being more manly because men exist in different conditions. I think if we want to see a more human side to black window, they could maybe show how she feels about her tactic, make her get fed up and lash out because changing the character without confronting the conditioned behavior washes away the humanity.
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  368. I think the argument is too black and white. Either its all female voodoo or a girly with an apes bod. Women don't need muscle to be strong, but they need more than a body to be a good character. I think Arcane does a spectacular job at writing women who are people before their gender. For instance the punching Powerhouse Vi, who beats the shit out of people. She punches before she thinks, but thats not because she's an angry feminist... she grew up in an environment where you had to fight to survive. Plus, she was in charge of her ragtag siblings, prepped to be a leader by her adoptive father. The difference is that seducing people and then beating them up won't really work for the problems she faces. So, conditions effect character. Black windows tactic works with the conditions of a modern world, and kinda points out the flaws in the men she seduces rather than her seducing. The problem is that marvel is trying to appeal more to kids so they gotta water down characters a bit. She's a morally grey character and that's why she's cool. It's not about being more manly because men exist in different conditions. I think if we want to see a more human side to black window, they could maybe show how she feels about her tactic, make her get fed up and lash out because changing the character without confronting the conditioned behavior washes away the humanity.
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  369. I agree with this 100%, or they have high-pitched voice that is insufferable to hear lol🤣
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  370.  @TheBrownSnicker  Honestly, I think that all this hate for Cassie is really messy and toxic... The main message of the show is literally " we all make bad decision, but nonetheless we're able to improve ourself. We should be less judicious towards others and ourself". But most people apply this message on everyone but Cassie. We all know Cassie has her fair share of mistakes, but its so overlooked that Nate is a manipulative person, not just with Maddy. We should remember that Cassie was deeply depressed and fragile, she felt empty and lonely, i personally think that Nate took advantage of her vulnerability to forget his feelings. I cant understand how so many people underestimate his influence on Cassie while Maddy has INCRIMINATED an INNOCENT person only to protect Nate. Also, i found the Lesley's play down straight cruel and humiliating to Cassie, because for me it was done with no particular moral intent, but mostly with envy. This is pure slutshaming for me. I think that season 2 was too ipocrite with the initial message and i hate the way Cassie has been represented. The narrative is really too ambiguous with her, because it begans to make her look like a ridiculous villain instead of a more real and complex character. We have all forgive Rue, even though she had ruined her family's life, she used to be manipulative and a liar, because she was obviously hurt. And likewise happens with every other characters. So why people can't even try to empathize a little with what Cassie is going through? This seems kinda misogyny to me...ops
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  371.  @Nehmi  Honestly, I think that all this hate for Cassie is really messy and toxic... The main message of the show is literally " we all make bad decision, but nonetheless we're able to improve ourself. We should be less judicious towards others and ourself". But most people apply this message on everyone but Cassie. We all know Cassie has her fair share of mistakes, but its so overlooked that Nate is a manipulative person, not just with Maddy. We should remember that Cassie was deeply depressed and fragile, she felt empty and lonely, i personally think that Nate took advantage of her vulnerability to forget his feelings. I cant understand how so many people underestimate his influence on Cassie while Maddy has INCRIMINATED an INNOCENT person only to protect Nate. Also, i found the Lesley's play down straight cruel and humiliating to Cassie, because for me it was done with no particular moral intent, but mostly with envy. This is pure slutshaming for me. I think that season 2 was too ipocrite with the initial message and i hate the way Cassie has been represented. The narrative is really too ambiguous with her, because it begans to make her look like a ridiculous villain instead of a more real and complex character. We have all forgive Rue, even though she had ruined her family's life, she used to be manipulative and a liar, because she was obviously hurt. And likewise happens with every other characters. So why people can't even try to empathize a little with what Cassie is going through? This seems kinda misogyny to me...ops
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  372. Honestly, I think that all this hate for Cassie is really messy and toxic... The main message of the show is literally " we all make bad decision, but nonetheless we're able to improve ourself. We should be less judicious towards others and ourself". But most people apply this message on everyone but Cassie. We all know Cassie has her fair share of mistakes, but its so overlooked that Nate is a manipulative person, not just with Maddy. We should remember that Cassie was deeply depressed and fragile, she felt empty and lonely, i personally think that Nate took advantage of her vulnerability to forget his feelings. I cant understand how so many people underestimate his influence on Cassie while Maddy has INCRIMINATED an INNOCENT person only to protect Nate. Also, i found the Lesley's play down straight cruel and humiliating to Cassie, because for me it was done with no particular moral intent, but mostly with envy. This is pure slutshaming for me. I think that season 2 was too ipocrite with the initial message and i hate the way Cassie has been represented. The narrative is really too ambiguous with her, because it begans to make her look like a ridiculous villain instead of a more real and complex character. We have all forgive Rue, even though she had ruined her family's life, she used to be manipulative and a liar, because she was obviously hurt. And likewise happens with every other characters. So why people can't even try to empathize a little with what Cassie is going through? This seems kinda misogyny to me...ops
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  373. I love cassies character. Maybe I haven't seen a lot of movies but I haven't seen a lot of characters with mental problems depicted like she is. Like it's either the sweet anxious/depressed girl or the completely crazy one that's practically a joke. It's good to see a character who's spiralling deeper and deeper beyond help, hurting people around her, unable to break out of her habits even when she wants to. I've had depression too and been there, I want her to get better next season of course but it's sill kind of validating to watch? Weirdly enough. And I don't really mind the ppl who are angry with her, ppl aren't supposed to accommodate u just becuz you're mentally ill. U hv to clean up ur own shiet. And I like how even her family doesn't like her, like that's very real, you really can't expect anything when you're unstable. tbh
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  374. I love cassies character. Maybe I haven't seen a lot of movies but I haven't seen a lot of characters with mental problems depicted like she is. Like it's either the sweet anxious/depressed girl or the completely crazy one that's practically a joke. It's good to see a character who's spiralling deeper and deeper beyond help, hurting people around her, unable to break out of her habits even when she wants to. I've had depression too and been there, I want her to get better next season of course but it's sill kind of validating to watch? Weirdly enough. And I don't really mind the ppl who are angry with her, ppl aren't supposed to accommodate u just becuz you're mentally ill. U hv to clean up ur own shiet. And I like how even her family doesn't like her, like that's very real, you really can't expext anything when you're unstable.
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  375. We don't have to vindicate the Other Woman in an attempt to de-villainise her. The Other Woman is a complex figure, and that's a good thing! It can be interesting to delve into exactly why she feels compelled to go after a married man. She could be used to reflect the patriarchal impulse to be "superior" to another woman by catering to a man's desires, she could be used to deconstruct the notion that women are automatically self-sacrificing romantics and (*gasp!*) can be selfish; in short, privileging her perspective is an opportunity to represent a real, flawed human being. But let's not make her into an angel... because no one is. 'Waitress' offers a good example of the Other Woman as a nuanced figure. Dr Pommater is in a relatively happy marriage (from the little we see of his wife there is nothing abusive about her), yet he cheats with the film/musical's protagonist, Jenna. Jenna is in an abusive relationship and has been stifled by her man-child husband and aborted ambitions - and the affair is a meaningful way of reclaiming her agency. But both the film and the musical show Jenna agonising over the affair and her acceptance that it is hurtful to Dr Pommater's wife even if it helped Jenna fight back against her abuser and get through an unplanned pregnancy. And that's life - women are not manipulative one-dimensional femme fatales vying for a married man out of nothing but sadism, they are people who should not be villified even if they are not absolved.
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  376. Honestly, I think that all this hate for Cassie is really messy and toxic... The main message of the show is literally " we all make bad decision, but nonetheless we're able to improve ourself. We should be less judicious towards others and ourself". But most people apply this message on everyone but Cassie. We all know Cassie has her fair share of mistakes, but its so overlooked that Nate is a manipulative person, not just with Maddy. We should remember that Cassie was deeply depressed and fragile, she felt empty and lonely, i personally think that Nate took advantage of her vulnerability to forget his feelings. I cant understand how so many people underestimate his influence on Cassie while Maddy has INCRIMINATED an INNOCENT person only to protect Nate. Also, i found the Lesley's play down straight cruel and humiliating to Cassie, because for me it was done with no particular moral intent, but mostly with envy. This is pure slutshaming for me. I think that season 2 was too ipocrite with the initial message and i hate the way Cassie has been represented. The narrative is really too ambiguous with her, because it begans to make her look like a ridiculous villain instead of a more real and complex character. We have all forgive Rue, even though she had ruined her family's life, she used to be manipulative and a liar, because she was obviously hurt. And likewise happens with every other characters. So why people can't even try to empathize a little with what Cassie is going through? This seems kinda misogyny to me...ops
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  377. They did her SO DIRTY MAN, I love cassies character. Maybe I haven't seen a lot of movies but I haven't seen a lot of characters with mental problems depicted like she is. Like it's either the sweet anxious/depressed girl or the completely crazy one that's practically a joke. It's good to see a character who's spiralling deeper and deeper beyond help, hurting people around her, unable to break out of her habits even when she wants to. I've had depression too and been there, I want her to get better next season of course but it's sill kind of validating to watch? Weirdly enough. And I don't really mind the ppl who are angry with her, ppl aren't supposed to accommodate u just becuz you're mentally ill. U hv to clean up ur own shiet. And I like how even her family doesn't like her, like that's very real, you really can't expect anything when you're unstable. tbh
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  378.  @YouYou-sm8tf  i agree with this 100%
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  379. Some comments make me wonder what would they say if instead of a daughter, it was a son. Even this father, like, if he had a son who is a pronstar, would he be in this video? I've read a lot of people talking about how ashamed female pronstars should be, but when it comes to male, it's totally different, i've even seen people joking about how every men's dream job is to become a pronstar from age 13. Imo, both can be good or bad, of course, it is more common to have women being degraded in pron videos, even if it is a vanilla one, but i'm sure that there are bad sides for any gender. At least, there are people trying to change this scenario, maybe one day people will stop saying so many bad things about women who want to and work as pronstars, and just think that they chose this job, because they like it.
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  380. I think the argument is too black and white. Either its all female voodoo or a girly with an apes bod. Women don't need muscle to be strong, but they need more than a body to be a good character. I think Arcane does a spectacular job at writing women who are people before their gender. For instance the punching Powerhouse Vi, who beats the shit out of people. She punches before she thinks, but thats not because she's an angry feminist... she grew up in an environment where you had to fight to survive. Plus, she was in charge of her ragtag siblings, prepped to be a leader by her adoptive father. The difference is that seducing people and then beating them up won't really work for the problems she faces. So, conditions effect character. Black windows tactic works with the conditions of a modern world, and kinda points out the flaws in the men she seduces rather than her seducing. The problem is that marvel is trying to appeal more to kids so they gotta water down characters a bit. She's a morally grey character and that's why she's cool. It's not about being more manly because men exist in different conditions. I think if we want to see a more human side to black window, they could maybe show how she feels about her tactic, make her get fed up and lash out because changing the character without confronting the conditioned behavior washes away the humanity.
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  381. Yet more bulshit from the critical drinker. It's not about how we treat the female characters it's about how other characters treat them. In "Edge of Tomorrow" our intro to Rita is hella sexy and is explicitly designed to make us go "damn she's hot". But no characters on-screen would dare refer to her or even talk about her like that. We know the actor is hot, other characters know the character is hot, but it's irrelevant to the plot. In fact, her strength as a character is emphasized by the irrelevance of her beauty to her ability to kick ass.
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  382. Its FICTION, WHO CARES ? i dont give a shit if she can beat a man, all i want is the writer dont forget to give her some personalities outside of that character traits
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  383. Beside, in anime they did this ALL THE TIME🙄. A wise man once said :"i love a woman who can kick my ass"😏
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  384. Some comments make me wonder what would they say if instead of a daughter, it was a son. Even this father, like, if he had a son who is a pronstar, would he be in this video? I've read a lot of people talking about how ashamed female pronstars should be, but when it comes to male, it's totally different, i've even seen people joking about how every men's dream job is to become a pronstar from age 13. Imo, both can be good or bad, of course, it is more common to have women being degraded in pron videos, even if it is a vanilla one, but i'm sure that there are bad sides for any gender. At least, there are people trying to change this scenario, maybe one day people will stop saying so many bad things about women who want to and work as pronstars, and just think that they chose this job, because they like it.
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  385. Japanese culture as a whole can be very repressive . They are taught from very young age to "suck it up" and don't show any kind of rebellion, opinion , basically any kind of emotion . It's kind of a "Mechanical" do you work and go home and be repressed at home as well. Don't talk about it or even broach the subject. Explains high Suicide rate over there !!! They may technologically advanced but at great Human emotional Sacrifice!!!
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  386. I love cassies character. Maybe I haven't seen a lot of movies but I haven't seen a lot of characters with mental problems depicted like she is. Like it's either the sweet anxious/depressed girl or the completely crazy one that's practically a joke. It's good to see a character who's spiralling deeper and deeper beyond help, hurting people around her, unable to break out of her habits even when she wants to. I've had depression too and been there, I want her to get better next season of course but it's sill kind of validating to watch? Weirdly enough. And I don't really mind the ppl who are angry with her, ppl aren't supposed to accommodate u just becuz you're mentally ill. U hv to clean up ur own shiet. And I like how even her family doesn't like her, like that's very real, you really can't expect anything when you're unstable. tbh
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  387. i agree with this 100%
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  388. Idk what to think of this comment section, there’s so many very well thought out and argued points and analysis, but also so much ”Yeah scarjo’s an idiot, women have to be sexual what else do they got. Juicy milkers are great, I need to see them or I become disinterested!😤” Which just drives me nuts. The video itself, I can’t tell which side it’s on, it’s decently argued but also feels a bit simplistic and bit too stuck to pretty dusty and old ideas about women and men. Also I think it’s maybe a bit unfair to judge her for taking on sexy roles in the past, times are changing, those types of roles were maybe something she thought she just had to do, no option, to become an actor or to further her career. We don’t know is she was comfortable with Hollywood profiling her that way or not. But yeah I’m kind of sad if his opinion is that women have to be sensual and men have to be strong brutes for a movie to work. Playing around with traits just needs to be done well. On the other hand I agree that in order for a female character to be intimidating or strong doesn’t mean femininity needs to, or should be erased.
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  389. I love cassies character. Maybe I haven't seen a lot of movies but I haven't seen a lot of characters with mental problems depicted like she is. Like it's either the sweet anxious/depressed girl or the completely crazy one that's practically a joke. It's good to see a character who's spiralling deeper and deeper beyond help, hurting people around her, unable to break out of her habits even when she wants to. I've had depression too and been there, I want her to get better next season of course but it's sill kind of validating to watch? Weirdly enough. And I don't really mind the ppl who are angry with her, ppl aren't supposed to accommodate u just becuz you're mentally ill. U hv to clean up ur own shiet. And I like how even her family doesn't like her, like that's very real, you really can't expect anything when you're unstable. tbh
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  390.  @FishyFishyboi  Some comments make me wonder what would they say if instead of a daughter, it was a son. Even this father, like, if he had a son who is a pronstar, would he be in this video? I've read a lot of people talking about how ashamed female pronstars should be, but when it comes to male, it's totally different, i've even seen people joking about how every men's dream job is to become a pronstar from age 13. Imo, both can be good or bad, of course, it is more common to have women being degraded in pron videos, even if it is a vanilla one, but i'm sure that there are bad sides for any gender. At least, there are people trying to change this scenario, maybe one day people will stop saying so many bad things about women who want to and work as pronstars, and just think that they chose this job, because they like it.
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  391.  @FishyFishyboi  Let me go against the grain here with regards to the popular opinion in the comment section. There is nothing degrading about being a sex worker, sex work does not make you a lesser person or less educated and while you might end up being on the internet forever, as long as society doesn't judge you, that shouldn't be a big deal. Would I want my child (daughter OR SON) doing this stuff? No. Why? I don't trust some of the higher ups in these industries. Some of these people are shady and treat women particularly like crap. But that could improve and has made significant progress as more women started to take control. My second main reason is the misogyny my daughter would face by both men AND women (including Feminists) for simply recording and distributing something that most people do. Some of these women, maybe not in Japan but in America and Europe, make ridiculous amounts of money by simply showing the physical intimacy I their monogamous relationship between themselves and their partner. They're doing the same things they'd do, just recording and distributing it for tens of thousands to hundreds of thousands of dollars. Why does this affect them with regards to how they are perceived? Why should this affect them with regards to getting a job or running for office? How are they inherently bad people because they filmed themselves f*ck?
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  392. Honestly, I think that all this hate for Cassie is really messy and toxic... The main message of the show is literally " we all make bad decision, but nonetheless we're able to improve ourself. We should be less judicious towards others and ourself". But most people apply this message on everyone but Cassie. We all know Cassie has her fair share of mistakes, but its so overlooked that Nate is a manipulative person, not just with Maddy. We should remember that Cassie was deeply depressed and fragile, she felt empty and lonely, i personally think that Nate took advantage of her vulnerability to forget his feelings. I cant understand how so many people underestimate his influence on Cassie while Maddy has INCRIMINATED an INNOCENT person only to protect Nate. Also, i found the Lesley's play down straight cruel and humiliating to Cassie, because for me it was done with no particular moral intent, but mostly with envy. This is pure slutshaming for me. I think that season 2 was too ipocrite with the initial message and i hate the way Cassie has been represented. The narrative is really too ambiguous with her, because it begans to make her look like a ridiculous villain instead of a more real and complex character. We have all forgive Rue, even though she had ruined her family's life, she used to be manipulative and a liar, because she was obviously hurt. And likewise happens with every other characters. So why people can't even try to empathize a little with what Cassie is going through? This seems kinda misogyny to me...ops
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  393. I'm a Singaporean, i can tell u what my friends says that if u are single, u wish you are married. But when u are married, u wish u were single again. The grass is always greener on the other side
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  394. I love cassies character. Maybe I haven't seen a lot of movies but I haven't seen a lot of characters with mental problems depicted like she is. Like it's either the sweet anxious/depressed girl or the completely crazy one that's practically a joke. It's good to see a character who's spiralling deeper and deeper beyond help, hurting people around her, unable to break out of her habits even when she wants to. I've had depression too and been there, I want her to get better next season of course but it's sill kind of validating to watch? Weirdly enough. And I don't really mind the ppl who are angry with her, ppl aren't supposed to accommodate u just becuz you're mentally ill. U hv to clean up ur own shiet. And I like how even her family doesn't like her, like that's very real, you really can't expext anything when you're unstable. tbh
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  395. Honestly, I think that all this hate for Cassie is really messy and toxic... The main message of the show is literally " we all make bad decision, but nonetheless we're able to improve ourself. We should be less judicious towards others and ourself". But most people apply this message on everyone but Cassie. We all know Cassie has her fair share of mistakes, but its so overlooked that Nate is a manipulative person, not just with Maddy. We should remember that Cassie was deeply depressed and fragile, she felt empty and lonely, i personally think that Nate took advantage of her vulnerability to forget his feelings. I cant understand how so many people underestimate his influence on Cassie while Maddy has INCRIMINATED an INNOCENT person only to protect Nate. Also, i found the Lesley's play down straight cruel and humiliating to Cassie, because for me it was done with no particular moral intent, but mostly with envy. This is pure slutshaming for me. I think that season 2 was too ipocrite with the initial message and i hate the way Cassie has been represented. The narrative is really too ambiguous with her, because it begans to make her look like a ridiculous villain instead of a more real and complex character. We have all forgive Rue, even though she had ruined her family's life, she used to be manipulative and a liar, because she was obviously hurt. And likewise happens with every other characters. So why people can't even try to empathize a little with what Cassie is going through? This seems kinda misogyny to me...ops
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  396. cool
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  397. I don't want to excuse Cassie for what she did, but people seem to be so desensitized with Nate and think he's only doing what's expected of him that they end up forgetting that he's the biggest problem here. Realistically, I would react the same way Maddie did, because Cassie broke her trust and if someone you bonded with so much just broke your trust and got with your ex-ABUSIVE boyfriend, that would deeply hurt you, but Nate needs to take responsibility for his actions as well, not just Cassie. He ain't even facing any consequences despite being so much of a jack-ass. He only got beaten once meanwhile Cassie always needs to take blame even before this entire incident. Plus, people seem to forget about Cassie's passion for ice skating. Instead of making season 2 about her trying to find herself after all the heartbreak, regaining her love for ice skating and pursuing it. I know that putting her together with Nate creates more drama, making it more interesting to viewers and that's what they want, but it's also kinda demeaning to Cassie as a person. I'm being way too invested but like I'm just kinda sad, I wanted Cassie to grow but her world only fell apart, and yes she did questionable things in the past, I don't excuse any of her wrongdoings but the point is wanting to see her grow and since she's literally just a character so I believe they could have molded her differently. Also like someone said, her true love doesn't have to be a man, it could be anyone, it doesn't have to be romantic. As long as it helps her grow and uplifts her, helps her become a better person, then that's who you can consider her true love. It's so sad to see Maddie and Cassie pitted against each other; "Bitch you're my soulmate"😭😭😭
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  398. That graph at the beginning about the chance of divorce after 5 years doesn't hold much water. The graph doesn't even have a consistent increase with the number of partners. Hell, the chance of divorce is higher with 2 partners than 6-9 partners according to this. Alexander talks about this graph as if there is an exponential increase in chance of divorce with an increase in partners. The difference between 2 partners and 10 + is about 4%..........4%. Don't act like this is a big difference.
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  399. First study (By Family Studies): shows a drop from 73% to about 65% if you have 2 other partners prior to marriage, but then essentially stays at that level through up to 10 previous partners. But what does that prove since the vast majority of men AND women in western society have had sex with multiple partners by the time they married AND marriages NOW are taking place much later. So, did this study control for the age of the women? Did the study control for religiosity since women marrying with no previous sex partners may have had arranged marriages. I'm not convinced at all (from the graph alone) that the study methodology is convincing that there is a difference between no pre-marital partners and TEN pre-marital partners. :). Looking at the second study (Family Study; 5 year prediction of divorce by number of people spouses slept with prior to marriage). I'm in the biz of sociology/psychology so am reasonably familiar with research. I don't have the actual study in front of me, but the graph alone is problematic. Notice how you go from 5% chance of divorce if 0 previous partners jumping to 20% if 1 previous partner, then 30% if 2 previous partners, but then after that, an actual drop off to 25% if you've had 10 or more partners pre-marriage! So if pre-marital sex with others is a factor there should be a consistent rise on the x/y axes (if 1-2 makes a difference, then even more should make more difference). But that's not shown here, so I'm not convinced that this study has proven anything.
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  400. Idk what to think of this comment section, there’s so many very well thought out and argued points and analysis, but also so much ”Yeah scarjo’s an idiot, women have to be sexual what else do they got. Juicy milkers are great, I need to see them or I become disinterested!😤” Which just drives me nuts. The video itself, I can’t tell which side it’s on, it’s decently argued but also feels a bit simplistic and bit too stuck to pretty dusty and old ideas about women and men. Also I think it’s maybe a bit unfair to judge her for taking on sexy roles in the past, times are changing, those types of roles were maybe something she thought she just had to do, no option, to become an actor or to further her career. We don’t know is she was comfortable with Hollywood profiling her that way or not. But yeah I’m kind of sad if his opinion is that women have to be sensual and men have to be strong brutes for a movie to work. Playing around with traits just needs to be done well. On the other hand I agree that in order for a female character to be intimidating or strong doesn’t mean femininity needs to, or should be erased.
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  401. Yet more bulshit from the critical drinker. It's not about how we treat the female characters it's about how other characters treat them. In "Edge of Tomorrow" our intro to Rita is hella sexy and is explicitly designed to make us go "damn she's hot". But no characters on-screen would dare refer to her or even talk about her like that. We know the actor is hot, other characters know the character is hot, but it's irrelevant to the plot. In fact, her strength as a character is emphasized by the irrelevance of her beauty to her ability to kick ass.
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  402. Some comments make me wonder what would they say if instead of a daughter, it was a son. Even this father, like, if he had a son who is a pronstar, would he be in this video? I've read a lot of people talking about how ashamed female pronstars should be, but when it comes to male, it's totally different, i've even seen people joking about how every men's dream job is to become a pronstar from age 13. Imo, both can be good or bad, of course, it is more common to have women being degraded in pron videos, even if it is a vanilla one, but i'm sure that there are bad sides for any gender. At least, there are people trying to change this scenario, maybe one day people will stop saying so many bad things about women who want to and work as pronstars, and just think that they chose this job, because they like it.
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  403.  @MaxsonAtTheFort  Let me go against the grain here with regards to the popular opinion in the comment section. There is nothing degrading about being a sex worker, sex work does not make you a lesser person or less educated and while you might end up being on the internet forever, as long as society doesn't judge you, that shouldn't be a big deal. Would I want my child (daughter OR SON) doing this stuff? No. Why? I don't trust some of the higher ups in these industries. Some of these people are shady and treat women particularly like crap. But that could improve and has made significant progress as more women started to take control. My second main reason is the misogyny my daughter would face by both men AND women (including Feminists) for simply recording and distributing something that most people do. Some of these women, maybe not in Japan but in America and Europe, make ridiculous amounts of money by simply showing the physical intimacy I their monogamous relationship between themselves and their partner. They're doing the same things they'd do, just recording and distributing it for tens of thousands to hundreds of thousands of dollars. Why does this affect them with regards to how they are perceived? Why should this affect them with regards to getting a job or running for office? How are they inherently bad people because they filmed themselves f*ck?
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  404. Honestly, I think that all this hate for Cassie is really messy and toxic... The main message of the show is literally " we all make bad decision, but nonetheless we're able to improve ourself. We should be less judicious towards others and ourself". But most people apply this message on everyone but Cassie. We all know Cassie has her fair share of mistakes, but its so overlooked that Nate is a manipulative person, not just with Maddy. We should remember that Cassie was deeply depressed and fragile, she felt empty and lonely, i personally think that Nate took advantage of her vulnerability to forget his feelings. I cant understand how so many people underestimate his influence on Cassie while Maddy has INCRIMINATED an INNOCENT person only to protect Nate. Also, i found the Lesley's play down straight cruel and humiliating to Cassie, because for me it was done with no particular moral intent, but mostly with envy. This is pure slutshaming for me. I think that season 2 was too ipocrite with the initial message and i hate the way Cassie has been represented. The narrative is really too ambiguous with her, because it begans to make her look like a ridiculous villain instead of a more real and complex character. We have all forgive Rue, even though she had ruined her family's life, she used to be manipulative and a liar, because she was obviously hurt. And likewise happens with every other characters. So why people can't even try to empathize a little with what Cassie is going through? This seems kinda misogyny to me...ops
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  405. Honestly, I think that all this hate for Cassie is really messy and toxic... The main message of the show is literally " we all make bad decision, but nonetheless we're able to improve ourself. We should be less judicious towards others and ourself". But most people apply this message on everyone but Cassie. We all know Cassie has her fair share of mistakes, but its so overlooked that Nate is a manipulative person, not just with Maddy. We should remember that Cassie was deeply depressed and fragile, she felt empty and lonely, i personally think that Nate took advantage of her vulnerability to forget his feelings. I cant understand how so many people underestimate his influence on Cassie while Maddy has INCRIMINATED an INNOCENT person only to protect Nate. Also, i found the Lesley's play down straight cruel and humiliating to Cassie, because for me it was done with no particular moral intent, but mostly with envy. This is pure slutshaming for me. I think that season 2 was too ipocrite with the initial message and i hate the way Cassie has been represented. The narrative is really too ambiguous with her, because it begans to make her look like a ridiculous villain instead of a more real and complex character. We have all forgive Rue, even though she had ruined her family's life, she used to be manipulative and a liar, because she was obviously hurt. And likewise happens with every other characters. So why people can't even try to empathize a little with what Cassie is going through? This seems kinda misogyny to me...ops
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  406. cool
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  407. I love cassies character. Maybe I haven't seen a lot of movies but I haven't seen a lot of characters with mental problems depicted like she is. Like it's either the sweet anxious/depressed girl or the completely crazy one that's practically a joke. It's good to see a character who's spiralling deeper and deeper beyond help, hurting people around her, unable to break out of her habits even when she wants to. I've had depression too and been there, I want her to get better next season of course but it's sill kind of validating to watch? Weirdly enough. And I don't really mind the ppl who are angry with her, ppl aren't supposed to accommodate u just becuz you're mentally ill. U hv to clean up ur own shiet. And I like how even her family doesn't like her, like that's very real, you really can't expect anything when you're unstable. tbh
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  408.  @Itsmanina  i agree with this 100%
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  409. i agree
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  410. Let me go against the grain here with regards to the popular opinion in the comment section. There is nothing degrading about being a sex worker, sex work does not make you a lesser person or less educated and while you might end up being on the internet forever, as long as society doesn't judge you, that shouldn't be a big deal. Would I want my child (daughter OR SON) doing this stuff? No. Why? I don't trust some of the higher ups in these industries. Some of these people are shady and treat women particularly like crap. But that could improve and has made significant progress as more women started to take control. My second main reason is the misogyny my daughter would face by both men AND women (including Feminists) for simply recording and distributing something that most people do. Some of these women, maybe not in Japan but in America and Europe, make ridiculous amounts of money by simply showing the physical intimacy I their monogamous relationship between themselves and their partner. They're doing the same things they'd do, just recording and distributing it for tens of thousands to hundreds of thousands of dollars. Why does this affect them with regards to how they are perceived? Why should this affect them with regards to getting a job or running for office? How are they inherently bad people because they filmed themselves f*ck?
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  411. I love cassies character. Maybe I haven't seen a lot of movies but I haven't seen a lot of characters with mental problems depicted like she is. Like it's either the sweet anxious/depressed girl or the completely crazy one that's practically a joke. It's good to see a character who's spiralling deeper and deeper beyond help, hurting people around her, unable to break out of her habits even when she wants to. I've had depression too and been there, I want her to get better next season of course but it's sill kind of validating to watch? Weirdly enough. And I don't really mind the ppl who are angry with her, ppl aren't supposed to accommodate u just becuz you're mentally ill. U hv to clean up ur own shiet. And I like how even her family doesn't like her, like that's very real, you really can't expext anything when you're unstable.
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  412.  @jimjimcherie  I don't want to excuse Cassie for what she did, but people seem to be so desensitized with Nate and think he's only doing what's expected of him that they end up forgetting that he's the biggest problem here. Realistically, I would react the same way Maddie did, because Cassie broke her trust and if someone you bonded with so much just broke your trust and got with your ex-ABUSIVE boyfriend, that would deeply hurt you, but Nate needs to take responsibility for his actions as well, not just Cassie. He ain't even facing any consequences despite being so much of a jack-ass. He only got beaten once meanwhile Cassie always needs to take blame even before this entire incident. Plus, people seem to forget about Cassie's passion for ice skating. Instead of making season 2 about her trying to find herself after all the heartbreak, regaining her love for ice skating and pursuing it. I know that putting her together with Nate creates more drama, making it more interesting to viewers and that's what they want, but it's also kinda demeaning to Cassie as a person. I'm being way too invested but like I'm just kinda sad, I wanted Cassie to grow but her world only fell apart, and yes she did questionable things in the past, I don't excuse any of her wrongdoings but the point is wanting to see her grow and since she's literally just a character so I believe they could have molded her differently. Also like someone said, her true love doesn't have to be a man, it could be anyone, it doesn't have to be romantic. As long as it helps her grow and uplifts her, helps her become a better person, then that's who you can consider her true love. It's so sad to see Maddie and Cassie pitted against each other; "Bitch you're my soulmate"😭😭😭
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  413. i agree with this
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  414. Some comments make me wonder what would they say if instead of a daughter, it was a son. Even this father, like, if he had a son who is a pronstar, would he be in this video? I've read a lot of people talking about how ashamed female pronstars should be, but when it comes to male, it's totally different, i've even seen people joking about how every men's dream job is to become a pronstar from age 13. Imo, both can be good or bad, of course, it is more common to have women being degraded in pron videos, even if it is a vanilla one, but i'm sure that there are bad sides for any gender. At least, there are people trying to change this scenario, maybe one day people will stop saying so many bad things about women who want to and work as pronstars, and just think that they chose this job, because they like it.
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  415. Let me go against the grain here with regards to the popular opinion in the comment section. There is nothing degrading about being a sex worker, sex work does not make you a lesser person or less educated and while you might end up being on the internet forever, as long as society doesn't judge you, that shouldn't be a big deal. Would I want my child (daughter OR SON) doing this stuff? No. Why? I don't trust some of the higher ups in these industries. Some of these people are shady and treat women particularly like crap. But that could improve and has made significant progress as more women started to take control. My second main reason is the misogyny my daughter would face by both men AND women (including Feminists) for simply recording and distributing something that most people do. Some of these women, maybe not in Japan but in America and Europe, make ridiculous amounts of money by simply showing the physical intimacy I their monogamous relationship between themselves and their partner. They're doing the same things they'd do, just recording and distributing it for tens of thousands to hundreds of thousands of dollars. Why does this affect them with regards to how they are perceived? Why should this affect them with regards to getting a job or running for office? How are they inherently bad people because they filmed themselves f*ck?
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  416. Some comments make me wonder what would they say if instead of a daughter, it was a son. Even this father, like, if he had a son who is a pronstar, would he be in this video? I've read a lot of people talking about how ashamed female pronstars should be, but when it comes to male, it's totally different, i've even seen people joking about how every men's dream job is to become a pronstar from age 13. Imo, both can be good or bad, of course, it is more common to have women being degraded in pron videos, even if it is a vanilla one, but i'm sure that there are bad sides for any gender. At least, there are people trying to change this scenario, maybe one day people will stop saying so many bad things about women who want to and work as pronstars, and just think that they chose this job, because they like it.
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  417. That graph at the beginning about the chance of divorce after 5 years doesn't hold much water. The graph doesn't even have a consistent increase with the number of partners. Hell, the chance of divorce is higher with 2 partners than 6-9 partners according to this. Alexander talks about this graph as if there is an exponential increase in chance of divorce with an increase in partners. The difference between 2 partners and 10 + is about 4%..........4%. Don't act like this is a big difference.
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  418. First study (By Family Studies): shows a drop from 73% to about 65% if you have 2 other partners prior to marriage, but then essentially stays at that level through up to 10 previous partners. But what does that prove since the vast majority of men AND women in western society have had sex with multiple partners by the time they married AND marriages NOW are taking place much later. So, did this study control for the age of the women? Did the study control for religiosity since women marrying with no previous sex partners may have had arranged marriages. I'm not convinced at all (from the graph alone) that the study methodology is convincing that there is a difference between no pre-marital partners and TEN pre-marital partners. :). Looking at the second study (Family Study; 5 year prediction of divorce by number of people spouses slept with prior to marriage). I'm in the biz of sociology/psychology so am reasonably familiar with research. I don't have the actual study in front of me, but the graph alone is problematic. Notice how you go from 5% chance of divorce if 0 previous partners jumping to 20% if 1 previous partner, then 30% if 2 previous partners, but then after that, an actual drop off to 25% if you've had 10 or more partners pre-marriage! So if pre-marital sex with others is a factor there should be a consistent rise on the x/y axes (if 1-2 makes a difference, then even more should make more difference). But that's not shown here, so I'm not convinced that this study has proven anything.
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  419. I love cassies character. Maybe I haven't seen a lot of movies but I haven't seen a lot of characters with mental problems depicted like she is. Like it's either the sweet anxious/depressed girl or the completely crazy one that's practically a joke. It's good to see a character who's spiralling deeper and deeper beyond help, hurting people around her, unable to break out of her habits even when she wants to. I've had depression too and been there, I want her to get better next season of course but it's sill kind of validating to watch? Weirdly enough. And I don't really mind the ppl who are angry with her, ppl aren't supposed to accommodate u just becuz you're mentally ill. U hv to clean up ur own shiet. And I like how even her family doesn't like her, like that's very real, you really can't expect anything when you're unstable. tbh
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  420.  @tiny_tuba9756  Let me go against the grain here with regards to the popular opinion in the comment section. There is nothing degrading about being a sex worker, sex work does not make you a lesser person or less educated and while you might end up being on the internet forever, as long as society doesn't judge you, that shouldn't be a big deal. Would I want my child (daughter OR SON) doing this stuff? No. Why? I don't trust some of the higher ups in these industries. Some of these people are shady and treat women particularly like crap. But that could improve and has made significant progress as more women started to take control. My second main reason is the misogyny my daughter would face by both men AND women (including Feminists) for simply recording and distributing something that most people do. Some of these women, maybe not in Japan but in America and Europe, make ridiculous amounts of money by simply showing the physical intimacy I their monogamous relationship between themselves and their partner. They're doing the same things they'd do, just recording and distributing it for tens of thousands to hundreds of thousands of dollars. Why does this affect them with regards to how they are perceived? Why should this affect them with regards to getting a job or running for office? How are they inherently bad people because they filmed themselves f*ck?
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  421. Honestly, I think that all this hate for Cassie is really messy and toxic... The main message of the show is literally " we all make bad decision, but nonetheless we're able to improve ourself. We should be less judicious towards others and ourself". But most people apply this message on everyone but Cassie. We all know Cassie has her fair share of mistakes, but its so overlooked that Nate is a manipulative person, not just with Maddy. We should remember that Cassie was deeply depressed and fragile, she felt empty and lonely, i personally think that Nate took advantage of her vulnerability to forget his feelings. I cant understand how so many people underestimate his influence on Cassie while Maddy has INCRIMINATED an INNOCENT person only to protect Nate. Also, i found the Lesley's play down straight cruel and humiliating to Cassie, because for me it was done with no particular moral intent, but mostly with envy. This is pure slutshaming for me. I think that season 2 was too ipocrite with the initial message and i hate the way Cassie has been represented. The narrative is really too ambiguous with her, because it begans to make her look like a ridiculous villain instead of a more real and complex character. We have all forgive Rue, even though she had ruined her family's life, she used to be manipulative and a liar, because she was obviously hurt. And likewise happens with every other characters. So why people can't even try to empathize a little with what Cassie is going through? This seems kinda misogyny to me...ops
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  422. I love cassies character. Maybe I haven't seen a lot of movies but I haven't seen a lot of characters with mental problems depicted like she is. Like it's either the sweet anxious/depressed girl or the completely crazy one that's practically a joke. It's good to see a character who's spiralling deeper and deeper beyond help, hurting people around her, unable to break out of her habits even when she wants to. I've had depression too and been there, I want her to get better next season of course but it's sill kind of validating to watch? Weirdly enough. And I don't really mind the ppl who are angry with her, ppl aren't supposed to accommodate u just becuz you're mentally ill. U hv to clean up ur own shiet. And I like how even her family doesn't like her, like that's very real, you really can't expext anything when you're unstable.
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  423. Some comments make me wonder what would they say if instead of a daughter, it was a son. Even this father, like, if he had a son who is a pronstar, would he be in this video? I've read a lot of people talking about how ashamed female pronstars should be, but when it comes to male, it's totally different, i've even seen people joking about how every men's dream job is to become a pronstar from age 13. Imo, both can be good or bad, of course, it is more common to have women being degraded in pron videos, even if it is a vanilla one, but i'm sure that there are bad sides for any gender. At least, there are people trying to change this scenario, maybe one day people will stop saying so many bad things about women who want to and work as pronstars, and just think that they chose this job, because they like it.
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  424. I love cassies character. Maybe I haven't seen a lot of movies but I haven't seen a lot of characters with mental problems depicted like she is. Like it's either the sweet anxious/depressed girl or the completely crazy one that's practically a joke. It's good to see a character who's spiralling deeper and deeper beyond help, hurting people around her, unable to break out of her habits even when she wants to. I've had depression too and been there, I want her to get better next season of course but it's sill kind of validating to watch? Weirdly enough. And I don't really mind the ppl who are angry with her, ppl aren't supposed to accommodate u just becuz you're mentally ill. U hv to clean up ur own shiet. And I like how even her family doesn't like her, like that's very real, you really can't expext anything when you're unstable. tbh
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  425.  @ninjacortadordecebola1215  Some comments make me wonder what would they say if instead of a daughter, it was a son. Even this father, like, if he had a son who is a pronstar, would he be in this video? I've read a lot of people talking about how ashamed female pronstars should be, but when it comes to male, it's totally different, i've even seen people joking about how every men's dream job is to become a pronstar from age 13. Imo, both can be good or bad, of course, it is more common to have women being degraded in pron videos, even if it is a vanilla one, but i'm sure that there are bad sides for any gender. At least, there are people trying to change this scenario, maybe one day people will stop saying so many bad things about women who want to and work as pronstars, and just think that they chose this job, because they like it.
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  426.  @ninjacortadordecebola1215  Alguns comentários me fazem pensar o que diriam se em vez de uma filha, fosse um filho. Até esse pai, tipo, se ele tivesse um filho que é pronstar, ele estaria nesse vídeo? Já li muita gente falando sobre como as pronstars femininas deveriam ficar envergonhadas, mas quando se trata do sexo masculino, é totalmente diferente, já vi até gente brincando sobre como o emprego dos sonhos de todo homem é se tornar pronstar a partir dos 13 anos. Imo, ambos podem ser bons ou ruins, claro, é mais comum ter mulheres sendo degradadas em vídeos de pron, mesmo que seja um vanilla, mas tenho certeza que existem lados ruins para qualquer gênero. Pelo menos, tem gente tentando mudar esse cenário, quem sabe um dia as pessoas vão parar de falar tantas coisas ruins sobre as mulheres que querem e trabalham como pronstars, e só pensem que escolheram esse trabalho, porque gostam.
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  427. Honestly, I think that all this hate for Cassie is really messy and toxic... The main message of the show is literally " we all make bad decision, but nonetheless we're able to improve ourself. We should be less judicious towards others and ourself". But most people apply this message on everyone but Cassie. We all know Cassie has her fair share of mistakes, but its so overlooked that Nate is a manipulative person, not just with Maddy. We should remember that Cassie was deeply depressed and fragile, she felt empty and lonely, i personally think that Nate took advantage of her vulnerability to forget his feelings. I cant understand how so many people underestimate his influence on Cassie while Maddy has INCRIMINATED an INNOCENT person only to protect Nate. Also, i found the Lesley's play down straight cruel and humiliating to Cassie, because for me it was done with no particular moral intent, but mostly with envy. This is pure slutshaming for me. I think that season 2 was too ipocrite with the initial message and i hate the way Cassie has been represented. The narrative is really too ambiguous with her, because it begans to make her look like a ridiculous villain instead of a more real and complex character. We have all forgive Rue, even though she had ruined her family's life, she used to be manipulative and a liar, because she was obviously hurt. And likewise happens with every other characters. So why people can't even try to empathize a little with what Cassie is going through? This seems kinda misogyny to me...ops
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  428. Honestly, I think that all this hate for Cassie is really messy and toxic... The main message of the show is literally " we all make bad decision, but nonetheless we're able to improve ourself. We should be less judicious towards others and ourself". But most people apply this message on everyone but Cassie. We all know Cassie has her fair share of mistakes, but its so overlooked that Nate is a manipulative person, not just with Maddy. We should remember that Cassie was deeply depressed and fragile, she felt empty and lonely, i personally think that Nate took advantage of her vulnerability to forget his feelings. I cant understand how so many people underestimate his influence on Cassie while Maddy has INCRIMINATED an INNOCENT person only to protect Nate. Also, i found the Lesley's play down straight cruel and humiliating to Cassie, because for me it was done with no particular moral intent, but mostly with envy. This is pure slutshaming for me. I think that season 2 was too ipocrite with the initial message and i hate the way Cassie has been represented. The narrative is really too ambiguous with her, because it begans to make her look like a ridiculous villain instead of a more real and complex character. We have all forgive Rue, even though she had ruined her family's life, she used to be manipulative and a liar, because she was obviously hurt. And likewise happens with every other characters. So why people can't even try to empathize a little with what Cassie is going through? This seems kinda misogyny to me...ops
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  429.  @otakumangastudios3617  i agree with this 100%.
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  430.  @mistresspaige2670  Female characters tend to be one of those boring tropes that i've seen countless times in media, so i hope to see some variation to the female characters. They dont have to make the women hyper competent female warriors who are as strong as the malse ( we have plenty of those already), just make them unique, interesting, and stray away from the same old boring tropes,
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  431.  @bloodrain980  i agree with this 100%
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  432.  @otakumangastudios3617  i agree with this 100%
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  433.  @juliab9596  Idk what to think of this comment section, there’s so many very well thought out and argued points and analysis, but also so much ”Yeah scarjo’s an idiot, women have to be sexual what else do they got. Juicy milkers are great, I need to see them or I become disinterested!😤” Which just drives me nuts. The video itself, I can’t tell which side it’s on, it’s decently argued but also feels a bit simplistic and bit too stuck to pretty dusty and old ideas about women and men. Also I think it’s maybe a bit unfair to judge her for taking on sexy roles in the past, times are changing, those types of roles were maybe something she thought she just had to do, no option, to become an actor or to further her career. We don’t know is she was comfortable with Hollywood profiling her that way or not. But yeah I’m kind of sad if his opinion is that women have to be sensual and men have to be strong brutes for a movie to work. Playing around with traits just needs to be done well. On the other hand I agree that in order for a female character to be intimidating or strong doesn’t mean femininity needs to, or should be erased.
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  434.  @otakumangastudios3617  TBH with you, i would love to see some trans women or men, or ANY LGBTQ+ characters here. They are the underrepresented group here. And i want to see them as well written as the male characters. That would be very cool to see that. And trans women are women, so not only we would see a compelling female characters, but also we get to see LGBTQ+ representation, BEST OF BOTH WORLDS
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  435.  @otakumangastudios3617  i agree, lets keep the trends going, we need more of that please,
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  436.  @otakumangastudios3617  Yet more bulshit from the critical drinker. It's not about how we treat the female characters it's about how other characters treat them. In "Edge of Tomorrow" our intro to Rita is hella sexy and is explicitly designed to make us go "damn she's hot". But no characters on-screen would dare refer to her or even talk about her like that. We know the actor is hot, other characters know the character is hot, but it's irrelevant to the plot. In fact, her strength as a character is emphasized by the irrelevance of her beauty to her ability to kick ass.
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  437.  @juliab9596  Yet more bulshit from the critical drinker. It's not about how we treat the female characters it's about how other characters treat them. In "Edge of Tomorrow" our intro to Rita is hella sexy and is explicitly designed to make us go "damn she's hot". But no characters on-screen would dare refer to her or even talk about her like that. We know the actor is hot, other characters know the character is hot, but it's irrelevant to the plot. In fact, her strength as a character is emphasized by the irrelevance of her beauty to her ability to kick ass.
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  438.  @mistresspaige2670  Yet more bulshit from the critical drinker. It's not about how we treat the female characters it's about how other characters treat them. In "Edge of Tomorrow" our intro to Rita is hella sexy and is explicitly designed to make us go "damn she's hot". But no characters on-screen would dare refer to her or even talk about her like that. We know the actor is hot, other characters know the character is hot, but it's irrelevant to the plot. In fact, her strength as a character is emphasized by the irrelevance of her beauty to her ability to kick ass.
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  439.  @tryycoper3321  I think the argument is too black and white. Either its all female voodoo or a girly with an apes bod. Women don't need muscle to be strong, but they need more than a body to be a good character. I think Arcane does a spectacular job at writing women who are people before their gender. For instance the punching Powerhouse Vi, who beats the shit out of people. She punches before she thinks, but thats not because she's an angry feminist... she grew up in an environment where you had to fight to survive. Plus, she was in charge of her ragtag siblings, prepped to be a leader by her adoptive father. The difference is that seducing people and then beating them up won't really work for the problems she faces. So, conditions effect character. Black windows tactic works with the conditions of a modern world, and kinda points out the flaws in the men she seduces rather than her seducing. The problem is that marvel is trying to appeal more to kids so they gotta water down characters a bit. She's a morally grey character and that's why she's cool. It's not about being more manly because men exist in different conditions. I think if we want to see a more human side to black window, they could maybe show how she feels about her tactic, make her get fed up and lash out because changing the character without confronting the conditioned behavior washes away the humanity.
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  440.  @sarahrobertson4629  I think the argument is too black and white. Either its all female voodoo or a girly with an apes bod. Women don't need muscle to be strong, but they need more than a body to be a good character. I think Arcane does a spectacular job at writing women who are people before their gender. For instance the punching Powerhouse Vi, who beats the shit out of people. She punches before she thinks, but thats not because she's an angry feminist... she grew up in an environment where you had to fight to survive. Plus, she was in charge of her ragtag siblings, prepped to be a leader by her adoptive father. The difference is that seducing people and then beating them up won't really work for the problems she faces. So, conditions effect character. Black windows tactic works with the conditions of a modern world, and kinda points out the flaws in the men she seduces rather than her seducing. The problem is that marvel is trying to appeal more to kids so they gotta water down characters a bit. She's a morally grey character and that's why she's cool. It's not about being more manly because men exist in different conditions. I think if we want to see a more human side to black window, they could maybe show how she feels about her tactic, make her get fed up and lash out because changing the character without confronting the conditioned behavior washes away the humanity.
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  441.  @tryycoper3321  what are you talking about ? Women being strategic and tactical are very appealing to a lot of people, at least to me. Say, who would you rather choose, a smart female character who plans ahead very carefully or a mary sue who just bulldoze everything without a challenge, AKA Captain Marvel ?
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  442. I love cassies character. Maybe I haven't seen a lot of movies but I haven't seen a lot of characters with mental problems depicted like she is. Like it's either the sweet anxious/depressed girl or the completely crazy one that's practically a joke. It's good to see a character who's spiralling deeper and deeper beyond help, hurting people around her, unable to break out of her habits even when she wants to. I've had depression too and been there, I want her to get better next season of course but it's sill kind of validating to watch? Weirdly enough. And I don't really mind the ppl who are angry with her, ppl aren't supposed to accommodate u just becuz you're mentally ill. U hv to clean up ur own shiet. And I like how even her family doesn't like her, like that's very real, you really can't expext anything when you're unstable.
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  443. I'm a Singaporean, i can tell u what my friends says that if u are single, u wish you are married. But when u are married, u wish u were single again. The grass is always greener on the other side
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  444.  @wmarch88  yeah, people should do what makes them happy, marriage does not guarantee happiness in life
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  445.  @wmarch88  i think that the majority of women( not all) see marriage as a means to an end, like without it, they would be nothing and unhappy, and thats kinda sad. i'm not shaming women who want to get married, but before that, you should seek happiness from within yourselves first
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  446.  @wmarch88 damn you go girl !
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  447.  @wmarch88  you're just keep doing what makes you happy
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  448.  @wmarch88  Good ole double standards are everywhere. Men are sophisticated if they’re single, but women are “unsold”. That’s total BS. While there are cultural differences, I believe the issue happens in every country.
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  449.  @wmarch88  Good ole double standards are everywhere. Men are sophisticated if they’re single, but women are “unsold”. That’s total BS. While there are cultural differences, I believe the issue happens in every country.
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  450.  @wmarch88  When a woman is still single, it doesn’t mean she is a loser or not liked. Some of them just want to work on their career and whatever they like and they do not prioritize relationship yet. Some just don’t care because they haven’t met the person they like, they have high standards. Tbh, it is better to work on yourself and you’ll meet the right person at the right time. Sometimes the people that rush in relationships just because of peer pressure or they like the thought of love are miserable. Like some of those who get married. They get married because they like the thought of it, the wedding, not being a “loser” before they pass the age 30, etc but in reality, as times passes by they cannot accept the cons in marriage. They can end up fighting, divorce, etc. It’s good not to rush in being in a relationship. Work on yourself and everything will fall in place. :) Don’t let others pressure you. They’re not the one who will live your life. I noticed most people I know get pressured easily and are afraid to not be in a relationship. When someone is beautiful, people will say, “oh she has high standards so she might be single forever. “ If the girl is not that good looking according to their beauty standard, they will say,”not pretty…no guy will like her.” Most people will have unsolicited advices. So I hope you do not live by what they say. Be in a relationship to be HAPPIER. not to be happy but HAPPIER. :)
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  451.  @wmarch88  lmao
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  452. Honestly, I think that all this hate for Cassie is really messy and toxic... The main message of the show is literally " we all make bad decision, but nonetheless we're able to improve ourself. We should be less judicious towards others and ourself". But most people apply this message on everyone but Cassie. We all know Cassie has her fair share of mistakes, but its so overlooked that Nate is a manipulative person, not just with Maddy. We should remember that Cassie was deeply depressed and fragile, she felt empty and lonely, i personally think that Nate took advantage of her vulnerability to forget his feelings. I cant understand how so many people underestimate his influence on Cassie while Maddy has INCRIMINATED an INNOCENT person only to protect Nate. Also, i found the Lesley's play down straight cruel and humiliating to Cassie, because for me it was done with no particular moral intent, but mostly with envy. This is pure slutshaming for me. I think that season 2 was too ipocrite with the initial message and i hate the way Cassie has been represented. The narrative is really too ambiguous with her, because it begans to make her look like a ridiculous villain instead of a more real and complex character. We have all forgive Rue, even though she had ruined her family's life, she used to be manipulative and a liar, because she was obviously hurt. And likewise happens with every other characters. So why people can't even try to empathize a little with what Cassie is going through? This seems kinda misogyny to me...ops
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  453. Some comments make me wonder what would they say if instead of a daughter, it was a son. Even this father, like, if he had a son who is a pronstar, would he be in this video? I've read a lot of people talking about how ashamed female pronstars should be, but when it comes to male, it's totally different, i've even seen people joking about how every men's dream job is to become a pronstar from age 13. Imo, both can be good or bad, of course, it is more common to have women being degraded in pron videos, even if it is a vanilla one, but i'm sure that there are bad sides for any gender. At least, there are people trying to change this scenario, maybe one day people will stop saying so many bad things about women who want to and work as pronstars, and just think that they chose this job, because they like it.
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  454. Some comments make me wonder what would they say if instead of a daughter, it was a son. Even this father, like, if he had a son who is a pronstar, would he be in this video? I've read a lot of people talking about how ashamed female pronstars should be, but when it comes to male, it's totally different, i've even seen people joking about how every men's dream job is to become a pronstar from age 13. Imo, both can be good or bad, of course, it is more common to have women being degraded in pron videos, even if it is a vanilla one, but i'm sure that there are bad sides for any gender. At least, there are people trying to change this scenario, maybe one day people will stop saying so many bad things about women who want to and work as pronstars, and just think that they chose this job, because they like it.
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  455. Honestly, I think that all this hate for Cassie is really messy and toxic... The main message of the show is literally " we all make bad decision, but nonetheless we're able to improve ourself. We should be less judicious towards others and ourself". But most people apply this message on everyone but Cassie. We all know Cassie has her fair share of mistakes, but its so overlooked that Nate is a manipulative person, not just with Maddy. We should remember that Cassie was deeply depressed and fragile, she felt empty and lonely, i personally think that Nate took advantage of her vulnerability to forget his feelings. I cant understand how so many people underestimate his influence on Cassie while Maddy has INCRIMINATED an INNOCENT person only to protect Nate. Also, i found the Lesley's play down straight cruel and humiliating to Cassie, because for me it was done with no particular moral intent, but mostly with envy. This is pure slutshaming for me. I think that season 2 was too ipocrite with the initial message and i hate the way Cassie has been represented. The narrative is really too ambiguous with her, because it begans to make her look like a ridiculous villain instead of a more real and complex character. We have all forgive Rue, even though she had ruined her family's life, she used to be manipulative and a liar, because she was obviously hurt. And likewise happens with every other characters. So why people can't even try to empathize a little with what Cassie is going through? This seems kinda misogyny to me...ops
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  456.  @DesiCat789  I think what this analysis is missing is the impact having only one woman on screen in these movies has. One girl with one archetype and personality and appearance and that comes to fill the spot for every female, and she cant fit every role. If there were more female characters on screen that have a variety of fighting styles (DONE WELL) i think itd be more satisfying for everyone. Nothing wrong with Scar Jo being a sexy fem fatal type, it looks cool, but making that the only representation doesnt work well for everyone. Spiderman and thor dont have the same appeal you know
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  457.  @rachelclark6393  I think the argument is too black and white. Either its all female voodoo or a girly with an apes bod. Women don't need muscle to be strong, but they need more than a body to be a good character. I think Arcane does a spectacular job at writing women who are people before their gender. For instance the punching Powerhouse Vi, who beats the shit out of people. She punches before she thinks, but thats not because she's an angry feminist... she grew up in an environment where you had to fight to survive. Plus, she was in charge of her ragtag siblings, prepped to be a leader by her adoptive father. The difference is that seducing people and then beating them up won't really work for the problems she faces. So, conditions effect character. Black windows tactic works with the conditions of a modern world, and kinda points out the flaws in the men she seduces rather than her seducing. The problem is that marvel is trying to appeal more to kids so they gotta water down characters a bit. She's a morally grey character and that's why she's cool. It's not about being more manly because men exist in different conditions. I think if we want to see a more human side to black window, they could maybe show how she feels about her tactic, make her get fed up and lash out because changing the character without confronting the conditioned behavior washes away the humanity.
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  458. Honestly, I think that all this hate for Cassie is really messy and toxic... The main message of the show is literally " we all make bad decision, but nonetheless we're able to improve ourself. We should be less judicious towards others and ourself". But most people apply this message on everyone but Cassie. We all know Cassie has her fair share of mistakes, but its so overlooked that Nate is a manipulative person, not just with Maddy. We should remember that Cassie was deeply depressed and fragile, she felt empty and lonely, i personally think that Nate took advantage of her vulnerability to forget his feelings. I cant understand how so many people underestimate his influence on Cassie while Maddy has INCRIMINATED an INNOCENT person only to protect Nate. Also, i found the Lesley's play down straight cruel and humiliating to Cassie, because for me it was done with no particular moral intent, but mostly with envy. This is pure slutshaming for me. I think that season 2 was too ipocrite with the initial message and i hate the way Cassie has been represented. The narrative is really too ambiguous with her, because it begans to make her look like a ridiculous villain instead of a more real and complex character. We have all forgive Rue, even though she had ruined her family's life, she used to be manipulative and a liar, because she was obviously hurt. And likewise happens with every other characters. So why people can't even try to empathize a little with what Cassie is going through? This seems kinda misogyny to me...ops
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  459. i agree with you
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  460.  @Sapanator  First study (By Family Studies): shows a drop from 73% to about 65% if you have 2 other partners prior to marriage, but then essentially stays at that level through up to 10 previous partners. But what does that prove since the vast majority of men AND women in western society have had sex with multiple partners by the time they married AND marriages NOW are taking place much later. So, did this study control for the age of the women? Did the study control for religiosity since women marrying with no previous sex partners may have had arranged marriages. I'm not convinced at all (from the graph alone) that the study methodology is convincing that there is a difference between no pre-marital partners and TEN pre-marital partners. :). Looking at the second study (Family Study; 5 year prediction of divorce by number of people spouses slept with prior to marriage). I'm in the biz of sociology/psychology so am reasonably familiar with research. I don't have the actual study in front of me, but the graph alone is problematic. Notice how you go from 5% chance of divorce if 0 previous partners jumping to 20% if 1 previous partner, then 30% if 2 previous partners, but then after that, an actual drop off to 25% if you've had 10 or more partners pre-marriage! So if pre-marital sex with others is a factor there should be a consistent rise on the x/y axes (if 1-2 makes a difference, then even more should make more difference). But that's not shown here, so I'm not convinced that this study has proven anything.
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  461. I don't want to excuse Cassie for what she did, but people seem to be so desensitized with Nate and think he's only doing what's expected of him that they end up forgetting that he's the biggest problem here. Realistically, I would react the same way Maddie did, because Cassie broke her trust and if someone you bonded with so much just broke your trust and got with your ex-ABUSIVE boyfriend, that would deeply hurt you, but Nate needs to take responsibility for his actions as well, not just Cassie. He ain't even facing any consequences despite being so much of a jack-ass. He only got beaten once meanwhile Cassie always needs to take blame even before this entire incident. Plus, people seem to forget about Cassie's passion for ice skating. Instead of making season 2 about her trying to find herself after all the heartbreak, regaining her love for ice skating and pursuing it. I know that putting her together with Nate creates more drama, making it more interesting to viewers and that's what they want, but it's also kinda demeaning to Cassie as a person. I'm being way too invested but like I'm just kinda sad, I wanted Cassie to grow but her world only fell apart, and yes she did questionable things in the past, I don't excuse any of her wrongdoings but the point is wanting to see her grow and since she's literally just a character so I believe they could have molded her differently. Also like someone said, her true love doesn't have to be a man, it could be anyone, it doesn't have to be romantic. As long as it helps her grow and uplifts her, helps her become a better person, then that's who you can consider her true love. It's so sad to see Maddie and Cassie pitted against each other; "Bitch you're my soulmate"😭😭😭
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  462. Idk what to think of this comment section, there’s so many very well thought out and argued points and analysis, but also so much ”Yeah scarjo’s an idiot, women have to be sexual what else do they got. Juicy milkers are great, I need to see them or I become disinterested!😤” Which just drives me nuts. The video itself, I can’t tell which side it’s on, it’s decently argued but also feels a bit simplistic and bit too stuck to pretty dusty and old ideas about women and men. Also I think it’s maybe a bit unfair to judge her for taking on sexy roles in the past, times are changing, those types of roles were maybe something she thought she just had to do, no option, to become an actor or to further her career. We don’t know is she was comfortable with Hollywood profiling her that way or not. But yeah I’m kind of sad if his opinion is that women have to be sensual and men have to be strong brutes for a movie to work. Playing around with traits just needs to be done well. On the other hand I agree that in order for a female character to be intimidating or strong doesn’t mean femininity needs to, or should be erased.
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  463. Yet more bulshit from the critical drinker. It's not about how we treat the female characters it's about how other characters treat them. In "Edge of Tomorrow" our intro to Rita is hella sexy and is explicitly designed to make us go "damn she's hot". But no characters on-screen would dare refer to her or even talk about her like that. We know the actor is hot, other characters know the character is hot, but it's irrelevant to the plot. In fact, her strength as a character is emphasized by the irrelevance of her beauty to her ability to kick ass.
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  464. I think the argument is too black and white. Either its all female voodoo or a girly with an apes bod. Women don't need muscle to be strong, but they need more than a body to be a good character. I think Arcane does a spectacular job at writing women who are people before their gender. For instance the punching Powerhouse Vi, who beats the shit out of people. She punches before she thinks, but thats not because she's an angry feminist... she grew up in an environment where you had to fight to survive. Plus, she was in charge of her ragtag siblings, prepped to be a leader by her adoptive father. The difference is that seducing people and then beating them up won't really work for the problems she faces. So, conditions effect character. Black windows tactic works with the conditions of a modern world, and kinda points out the flaws in the men she seduces rather than her seducing. The problem is that marvel is trying to appeal more to kids so they gotta water down characters a bit. She's a morally grey character and that's why she's cool. It's not about being more manly because men exist in different conditions. I think if we want to see a more human side to black window, they could maybe show how she feels about her tactic, make her get fed up and lash out because changing the character without confronting the conditioned behavior washes away the humanity.
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  465. Btw, whats your opinion on Jenny from Forrest Gump as a character ? She is also a flawed female character that get hated a lot for the way she treated Forrest, but Idc what anybody says, Jenny is my favorite character because i can empathize with her due to her upbringing, there is more to her than meets the eye, same goes for character like her, Bojack Horseman, you can find their actions intolerable and still empathize with them, abusive upbringing can damage a person's mind drastically.
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  466. I love cassies character. Maybe I haven't seen a lot of movies but I haven't seen a lot of characters with mental problems depicted like she is. Like it's either the sweet anxious/depressed girl or the completely crazy one that's practically a joke. It's good to see a character who's spiralling deeper and deeper beyond help, hurting people around her, unable to break out of her habits even when she wants to. I've had depression too and been there, I want her to get better next season of course but it's sill kind of validating to watch? Weirdly enough. And I don't really mind the ppl who are angry with her, ppl aren't supposed to accommodate u just becuz you're mentally ill. U hv to clean up ur own shiet. And I like how even her family doesn't like her, like that's very real, you really can't expext anything when you're unstable. tbh
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  467. I love cassies character. Maybe I haven't seen a lot of movies but I haven't seen a lot of characters with mental problems depicted like she is. Like it's either the sweet anxious/depressed girl or the completely crazy one that's practically a joke. It's good to see a character who's spiralling deeper and deeper beyond help, hurting people around her, unable to break out of her habits even when she wants to. I've had depression too and been there, I want her to get better next season of course but it's sill kind of validating to watch? Weirdly enough. And I don't really mind the ppl who are angry with her, ppl aren't supposed to accommodate u just becuz you're mentally ill. U hv to clean up ur own shiet. And I like how even her family doesn't like her, like that's very real, you really can't expext anything when you're unstable. tbh
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  468.  @yomamawanmadikku9094  Every job has its own risks and enjoyment. They too enjoy their porn careers instead of doing it out of desperation and as an easy way to earn money, times have changed, and people are getting more open-minded because they see porn as an art. There are also pornstars who plan an exit strategy even before they apply to a porn company. they get in and make huge bucks for 2 or 3 years (insane amounts of cash). then they move on with their lives. needless to say, they must be studying in colleges or doing something else alongside instead of just porn. many strippers and hustlers follow this exit strategy plan also. More than anything. Pornstars are people who for their passion have survived the criticism of the whole world. They went to follow their passion which gave them more satisfaction. There is also a huge online market of porn industries so why should they be ashamed of entering into that if that gives them satisfaction and money. I beg to differ with all people who oppose porn that you should really not watch it if you do not want to but the whole world is out there at night to watch. How are you going to control them?
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  469. i agree lol
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  470. Yet more bulshit from the critical drinker. It's not about how we treat the female characters it's about how other characters treat them. In "Edge of Tomorrow" our intro to Rita is hella sexy and is explicitly designed to make us go "damn she's hot". But no characters on-screen would dare refer to her or even talk about her like that. We know the actor is hot, other characters know the character is hot, but it's irrelevant to the plot. In fact, her strength as a character is emphasized by the irrelevance of her beauty to her ability to kick ass.
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  471. I think the argument is too black and white. Either its all female voodoo or a girly with an apes bod. Women don't need muscle to be strong, but they need more than a body to be a good character. I think Arcane does a spectacular job at writing women who are people before their gender. For instance the punching Powerhouse Vi, who beats the shit out of people. She punches before she thinks, but thats not because she's an angry feminist... she grew up in an environment where you had to fight to survive. Plus, she was in charge of her ragtag siblings, prepped to be a leader by her adoptive father. The difference is that seducing people and then beating them up won't really work for the problems she faces. So, conditions effect character. Black windows tactic works with the conditions of a modern world, and kinda points out the flaws in the men she seduces rather than her seducing. The problem is that marvel is trying to appeal more to kids so they gotta water down characters a bit. She's a morally grey character and that's why she's cool. It's not about being more manly because men exist in different conditions. I think if we want to see a more human side to black window, they could maybe show how she feels about her tactic, make her get fed up and lash out because changing the character without confronting the conditioned behavior washes away the humanity.
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  472.  @ivanangeli  yeah, she's trying to protect the family from the man who tries to make the family fall apart lol
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  473.  @jellyjellywowie  This comments section is the biggest yikes fest I have ever seen. Literally NOTHING but sex-shaming. We've got a whole lot of work to do when there are hundreds of people unifying around the notion that there is something wrong to consenting to do sex work. Being against sex work or ashamed of it will literally never make sense; the overwhelming majority of y'all aren't even virgins, and have likely had multiple partners, yet somebody choosing to take what you're already doing for free and turn it into a profit is somehow problematic? Even if you wanted to suggest that your sexual encounters were "special" and "not just with anybody," that's ignoring that that's simply YOUR choice, and that not everybody shares those values. On the other hand, that's also devaluing the joy of the work. Not every porn star JUST does it for the money; MANY sex workers do it BECAUSE it is also special for them, too. Perhaps not in the same way, but special nonetheless. Surely y'all understand that just because this is a Japanese channel, you don't actually have to BE like the Japanese, that is, ruthlessly close-minded and conservative, right? Not to mention, this notion the porn "follows" you is just being overly-simplistic. In much the same way that you can still find employment despite being fired from the five jobs you held prior, you can also find employment without your employer ever knowing you did sex work. Same too, you can also enter into meaningful relationships as well. Obviously, not everybody is comfortable dating somebody who is or was a sex worker, but then, I'm not comfortable dating close-minded sex-shaming assholes like the hundreds of y'all in the comments, so really, maybe we should just let people make their consensual choices and shut the actual fuck up if we don't personally agree with them, HMM?!
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  474. I don't want to excuse Cassie for what she did, but people seem to be so desensitized with Nate and think he's only doing what's expected of him that they end up forgetting that he's the biggest problem here. Realistically, I would react the same way Maddie did, because Cassie broke her trust and if someone you bonded with so much just broke your trust and got with your ex-ABUSIVE boyfriend, that would deeply hurt you, but Nate needs to take responsibility for his actions as well, not just Cassie. He ain't even facing any consequences despite being so much of a jack-ass. He only got beaten once meanwhile Cassie always needs to take blame even before this entire incident. Plus, people seem to forget about Cassie's passion for ice skating. Instead of making season 2 about her trying to find herself after all the heartbreak, regaining her love for ice skating and pursuing it. I know that putting her together with Nate creates more drama, making it more interesting to viewers and that's what they want, but it's also kinda demeaning to Cassie as a person. I'm being way too invested but like I'm just kinda sad, I wanted Cassie to grow but her world only fell apart, and yes she did questionable things in the past, I don't excuse any of her wrongdoings but the point is wanting to see her grow and since she's literally just a character so I believe they could have molded her differently. Also like someone said, her true love doesn't have to be a man, it could be anyone, it doesn't have to be romantic. As long as it helps her grow and uplifts her, helps her become a better person, then that's who you can consider her true love. It's so sad to see Maddie and Cassie pitted against each other; "Bitch you're my soulmate"😭😭😭
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  475. My opinion on this is, if you're ok with men watching porn or if you're watching porn yourself, its actually quite hypocritical to be ashamed of your own daughter/mother/sister doing porn. Maybe we should put all the shame around it aside and accept that there are always people willing to have sex in exchange for money and always people who are willing to pay for sex.
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  476. i agree with this 100%
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  477. Honestly, I think that all this hate for Cassie is really messy and toxic... The main message of the show is literally " we all make bad decision, but nonetheless we're able to improve ourself. We should be less judicious towards others and ourself". But most people apply this message on everyone but Cassie. We all know Cassie has her fair share of mistakes, but its so overlooked that Nate is a manipulative person, not just with Maddy. We should remember that Cassie was deeply depressed and fragile, she felt empty and lonely, i personally think that Nate took advantage of her vulnerability to forget his feelings. I cant understand how so many people underestimate his influence on Cassie while Maddy has INCRIMINATED an INNOCENT person only to protect Nate. Also, i found the Lesley's play down straight cruel and humiliating to Cassie, because for me it was done with no particular moral intent, but mostly with envy. This is pure slutshaming for me. I think that season 2 was too ipocrite with the initial message and i hate the way Cassie has been represented. The narrative is really too ambiguous with her, because it begans to make her look like a ridiculous villain instead of a more real and complex character. We have all forgive Rue, even though she had ruined her family's life, she used to be manipulative and a liar, because she was obviously hurt. And likewise happens with every other characters. So why people can't even try to empathize a little with what Cassie is going through? This seems kinda misogyny to me...ops
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  478. Honestly, I think that all this hate for Cassie is really messy and toxic... The main message of the show is literally " we all make bad decision, but nonetheless we're able to improve ourself. We should be less judicious towards others and ourself". But most people apply this message on everyone but Cassie. We all know Cassie has her fair share of mistakes, but its so overlooked that Nate is a manipulative person, not just with Maddy. We should remember that Cassie was deeply depressed and fragile, she felt empty and lonely, i personally think that Nate took advantage of her vulnerability to forget his feelings. I cant understand how so many people underestimate his influence on Cassie while Maddy has INCRIMINATED an INNOCENT person only to protect Nate. Also, i found the Lesley's play down straight cruel and humiliating to Cassie, because for me it was done with no particular moral intent, but mostly with envy. This is pure slutshaming for me. I think that season 2 was too ipocrite with the initial message and i hate the way Cassie has been represented. The narrative is really too ambiguous with her, because it begans to make her look like a ridiculous villain instead of a more real and complex character. We have all forgive Rue, even though she had ruined her family's life, she used to be manipulative and a liar, because she was obviously hurt. And likewise happens with every other characters. So why people can't even try to empathize a little with what Cassie is going through? This seems kinda misogyny to me...ops
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  479. i agree 100%
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  480. I guess that I'm the weirdo that I don't care about her body count, but she can't ask me what I did in my past if I can't ask her about it, I'm pretty sure that my body count will be much higher than her anyway. I even had a striptease dancer as a girlfriend, she did go home with me, not with anyone else and that girl was better than the normal girlfriends that I've had, much sweeter, much more woman like, she treated me like a king and that felt pretty nice to be wanted like that. When you ask a woman about her ex, it sends the wrong vibes to her... I never ask about that and I don't want to know any of it and I couldn't care less about her past, but if she ever wants to tell me anything about her past I need her to be completely honest about it, never lie about it because that means I'll show her the door and have her stuff packed for her and put her on the street. I just don't tolerate people lying to me, I'll end the relationship, friendship with anyone who lies to me in an instant, she needs to be able to handle my brutal honesty too, for example if she asks me if her pants make her butt look big or whatever and that's the case then expect an answer you're not going to like very much because I'll tell her and don't even think about it anymore. Or I just start laughing and make a joke about it and leave her with that thought, then I know she's never going to ask me that question again. lol
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  481.  @Beepbleep413  The part about how actually relatable Cassie's behavior is to young girl's is true for some people. I've seen this behavior but also amongst grown-ups. I've done this myself to some degree but I could never loose myself for someone else. A bit like Maddy but not completely. Which is why I am so disappointed at Cassie but still gets her. And it's often because of this patriarchal society brainwashing everyone, with an uterus, to behave that way while at the same time shaming us for doing it too. Damn if you do, damn if you don't. And it does tells us, no matter what gender, to loose ourselves into this one person because that's true love. No that's what's called toxic monogamy.
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  482.  @RA-ux3fu  Some comments make me wonder what would they say if instead of a daughter, it was a son. Even this father, like, if he had a son who is a pronstar, would he be in this video? I've read a lot of people talking about how ashamed female pronstars should be, but when it comes to male, it's totally different, i've even seen people joking about how every men's dream job is to become a pronstar from age 13. Imo, both can be good or bad, of course, it is more common to have women being degraded in pron videos, even if it is a vanilla one, but i'm sure that there are bad sides for any gender. At least, there are people trying to change this scenario, maybe one day people will stop saying so many bad things about women who want to and work as pronstars, and just think that they chose this job, because they like it.
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  483. Yet more bulshit from the critical drinker. It's not about how we treat the female characters it's about how other characters treat them. In "Edge of Tomorrow" our intro to Rita is hella sexy and is explicitly designed to make us go "damn she's hot". But no characters on-screen would dare refer to her or even talk about her like that. We know the actor is hot, other characters know the character is hot, but it's irrelevant to the plot. In fact, her strength as a character is emphasized by the irrelevance of her beauty to her ability to kick ass.
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  484. I think the argument is too black and white. Either its all female voodoo or a girly with an apes bod. Women don't need muscle to be strong, but they need more than a body to be a good character. I think Arcane does a spectacular job at writing women who are people before their gender. For instance the punching Powerhouse Vi, who beats the shit out of people. She punches before she thinks, but thats not because she's an angry feminist... she grew up in an environment where you had to fight to survive. Plus, she was in charge of her ragtag siblings, prepped to be a leader by her adoptive father. The difference is that seducing people and then beating them up won't really work for the problems she faces. So, conditions effect character. Black windows tactic works with the conditions of a modern world, and kinda points out the flaws in the men she seduces rather than her seducing. The problem is that marvel is trying to appeal more to kids so they gotta water down characters a bit. She's a morally grey character and that's why she's cool. It's not about being more manly because men exist in different conditions. I think if we want to see a more human side to black window, they could maybe show how she feels about her tactic, make her get fed up and lash out because changing the character without confronting the conditioned behavior washes away the humanity.
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  485. I think the argument is too black and white. Either its all female voodoo or a girly with an apes bod. Women don't need muscle to be strong, but they need more than a body to be a good character. I think Arcane does a spectacular job at writing women who are people before their gender. For instance the punching Powerhouse Vi, who beats the shit out of people. She punches before she thinks, but thats not because she's an angry feminist... she grew up in an environment where you had to fight to survive. Plus, she was in charge of her ragtag siblings, prepped to be a leader by her adoptive father. The difference is that seducing people and then beating them up won't really work for the problems she faces. So, conditions effect character. Black windows tactic works with the conditions of a modern world, and kinda points out the flaws in the men she seduces rather than her seducing. The problem is that marvel is trying to appeal more to kids so they gotta water down characters a bit. She's a morally grey character and that's why she's cool. It's not about being more manly because men exist in different conditions. I think if we want to see a more human side to black window, they could maybe show how she feels about her tactic, make her get fed up and lash out because changing the character without confronting the conditioned behavior washes away the humanity tbh
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  486. Honestly, I think that all this hate for Cassie is really messy and toxic... The main message of the show is literally " we all make bad decision, but nonetheless we're able to improve ourself. We should be less judicious towards others and ourself". But most people apply this message on everyone but Cassie. We all know Cassie has her fair share of mistakes, but its so overlooked that Nate is a manipulative person, not just with Maddy. We should remember that Cassie was deeply depressed and fragile, she felt empty and lonely, i personally think that Nate took advantage of her vulnerability to forget his feelings. I cant understand how so many people underestimate his influence on Cassie while Maddy has INCRIMINATED an INNOCENT person only to protect Nate. Also, i found the Lesley's play down straight cruel and humiliating to Cassie, because for me it was done with no particular moral intent, but mostly with envy. This is pure slutshaming for me. I think that season 2 was too ipocrite with the initial message and i hate the way Cassie has been represented. The narrative is really too ambiguous with her, because it begans to make her look like a ridiculous villain instead of a more real and complex character. We have all forgive Rue, even though she had ruined her family's life, she used to be manipulative and a liar, because she was obviously hurt. And likewise happens with every other characters. So why people can't even try to empathize a little with what Cassie is going through? This seems kinda misogyny to me...ops
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  487. Let me go against the grain here with regards to the popular opinion in the comment section. There is nothing degrading about being a sex worker, sex work does not make you a lesser person or less educated and while you might end up being on the internet forever, as long as society doesn't judge you, that shouldn't be a big deal. Would I want my child (daughter OR SON) doing this stuff? No. Why? I don't trust some of the higher ups in these industries. Some of these people are shady and treat women particularly like crap. But that could improve and has made significant progress as more women started to take control. My second main reason is the misogyny my daughter would face by both men AND women (including Feminists) for simply recording and distributing something that most people do. Some of these women, maybe not in Japan but in America and Europe, make ridiculous amounts of money by simply showing the physical intimacy I their monogamous relationship between themselves and their partner. They're doing the same things they'd do, just recording and distributing it for tens of thousands to hundreds of thousands of dollars. Why does this affect them with regards to how they are perceived? Why should this affect them with regards to getting a job or running for office? How are they inherently bad people because they filmed themselves f*ck?
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  489. i agree with you 100%
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  490. Honestly, I think that all this hate for Cassie is really messy and toxic... The main message of the show is literally " we all make bad decision, but nonetheless we're able to improve ourself. We should be less judicious towards others and ourself". But most people apply this message on everyone but Cassie. We all know Cassie has her fair share of mistakes, but its so overlooked that Nate is a manipulative person, not just with Maddy. We should remember that Cassie was deeply depressed and fragile, she felt empty and lonely, i personally think that Nate took advantage of her vulnerability to forget his feelings. I cant understand how so many people underestimate his influence on Cassie while Maddy has INCRIMINATED an INNOCENT person only to protect Nate. Also, i found the Lesley's play down straight cruel and humiliating to Cassie, because for me it was done with no particular moral intent, but mostly with envy. This is pure slutshaming for me. I think that season 2 was too ipocrite with the initial message and i hate the way Cassie has been represented. The narrative is really too ambiguous with her, because it begans to make her look like a ridiculous villain instead of a more real and complex character. We have all forgive Rue, even though she had ruined her family's life, she used to be manipulative and a liar, because she was obviously hurt. And likewise happens with every other characters. So why people can't even try to empathize a little with what Cassie is going through? This seems kinda misogyny to me...ops
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  491. I'm a Singaporean, i can tell u what my friends says that if u are single, u wish you are married. But when u are married, u wish u were single again. The grass is always greener on the other side
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  492.  @adettessubs444  I don't want to excuse Cassie for what she did, but people seem to be so desensitized with Nate and think he's only doing what's expected of him that they end up forgetting that he's the biggest problem here. Realistically, I would react the same way Maddie did, because Cassie broke her trust and if someone you bonded with so much just broke your trust and got with your ex-ABUSIVE boyfriend, that would deeply hurt you, but Nate needs to take responsibility for his actions as well, not just Cassie. He ain't even facing any consequences despite being so much of a jack-ass. He only got beaten once meanwhile Cassie always needs to take blame even before this entire incident. Plus, people seem to forget about Cassie's passion for ice skating. Instead of making season 2 about her trying to find herself after all the heartbreak, regaining her love for ice skating and pursuing it. I know that putting her together with Nate creates more drama, making it more interesting to viewers and that's what they want, but it's also kinda demeaning to Cassie as a person. I'm being way too invested but like I'm just kinda sad, I wanted Cassie to grow but her world only fell apart, and yes she did questionable things in the past, I don't excuse any of her wrongdoings but the point is wanting to see her grow and since she's literally just a character so I believe they could have molded her differently. Also like someone said, her true love doesn't have to be a man, it could be anyone, it doesn't have to be romantic. As long as it helps her grow and uplifts her, helps her become a better person, then that's who you can consider her true love. It's so sad to see Maddie and Cassie pitted against each other; "Bitch you're my soulmate"😭😭😭
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  493.  @569times9  Some comments make me wonder what would they say if instead of a daughter, it was a son. Even this father, like, if he had a son who is a pronstar, would he be in this video? I've read a lot of people talking about how ashamed female pronstars should be, but when it comes to male, it's totally different, i've even seen people joking about how every men's dream job is to become a pronstar from age 13. Imo, both can be good or bad, of course, it is more common to have women being degraded in pron videos, even if it is a vanilla one, but i'm sure that there are bad sides for any gender. At least, there are people trying to change this scenario, maybe one day people will stop saying so many bad things about women who want to and work as pronstars, and just think that they chose this job, because they like it.
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  494.  @sickening_love1154  Some comments make me wonder what would they say if instead of a daughter, it was a son. Even this father, like, if he had a son who is a pronstar, would he be in this video? I've read a lot of people talking about how ashamed female pronstars should be, but when it comes to male, it's totally different, i've even seen people joking about how every men's dream job is to become a pronstar from age 13. Imo, both can be good or bad, of course, it is more common to have women being degraded in pron videos, even if it is a vanilla one, but i'm sure that there are bad sides for any gender. At least, there are people trying to change this scenario, maybe one day people will stop saying so many bad things about women who want to and work as pronstars, and just think that they chose this job, because they like it.
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  495. First study (By Family Studies): shows a drop from 73% to about 65% if you have 2 other partners prior to marriage, but then essentially stays at that level through up to 10 previous partners. But what does that prove since the vast majority of men AND women in western society have had sex with multiple partners by the time they married AND marriages NOW are taking place much later. So, did this study control for the age of the women? Did the study control for religiosity since women marrying with no previous sex partners may have had arranged marriages. I'm not convinced at all (from the graph alone) that the study methodology is convincing that there is a difference between no pre-marital partners and TEN pre-marital partners. :). Looking at the second study (Family Study; 5 year prediction of divorce by number of people spouses slept with prior to marriage). I'm in the biz of sociology/psychology so am reasonably familiar with research. I don't have the actual study in front of me, but the graph alone is problematic. Notice how you go from 5% chance of divorce if 0 previous partners jumping to 20% if 1 previous partner, then 30% if 2 previous partners, but then after that, an actual drop off to 25% if you've had 10 or more partners pre-marriage! So if pre-marital sex with others is a factor there should be a consistent rise on the x/y axes (if 1-2 makes a difference, then even more should make more difference). But that's not shown here, so I'm not convinced that this study has proven anything.
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  496. I love cassies character. Maybe I haven't seen a lot of movies but I haven't seen a lot of characters with mental problems depicted like she is. Like it's either the sweet anxious/depressed girl or the completely crazy one that's practically a joke. It's good to see a character who's spiralling deeper and deeper beyond help, hurting people around her, unable to break out of her habits even when she wants to. I've had depression too and been there, I want her to get better next season of course but it's sill kind of validating to watch? Weirdly enough. And I don't really mind the ppl who are angry with her, ppl aren't supposed to accommodate u just becuz you're mentally ill. U hv to clean up ur own shiet. And I like how even her family doesn't like her, like that's very real, you really can't expext anything when you're unstable. tbh
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  497. Let me go against the grain here with regards to the popular opinion in the comment section. There is nothing degrading about being a sex worker, sex work does not make you a lesser person or less educated and while you might end up being on the internet forever, as long as society doesn't judge you, that shouldn't be a big deal. Would I want my child (daughter OR SON) doing this stuff? No. Why? I don't trust some of the higher ups in these industries. Some of these people are shady and treat women particularly like crap. But that could improve and has made significant progress as more women started to take control. My second main reason is the misogyny my daughter would face by both men AND women (including Feminists) for simply recording and distributing something that most people do. Some of these women, maybe not in Japan but in America and Europe, make ridiculous amounts of money by simply showing the physical intimacy I their monogamous relationship between themselves and their partner. They're doing the same things they'd do, just recording and distributing it for tens of thousands to hundreds of thousands of dollars. Why does this affect them with regards to how they are perceived? Why should this affect them with regards to getting a job or running for office? How are they inherently bad people because they filmed themselves f*ck?
    1
  498. I love cassies character. Maybe I haven't seen a lot of movies but I haven't seen a lot of characters with mental problems depicted like she is. Like it's either the sweet anxious/depressed girl or the completely crazy one that's practically a joke. It's good to see a character who's spiralling deeper and deeper beyond help, hurting people around her, unable to break out of her habits even when she wants to. I've had depression too and been there, I want her to get better next season of course but it's sill kind of validating to watch? Weirdly enough. And I don't really mind the ppl who are angry with her, ppl aren't supposed to accommodate u just becuz you're mentally ill. U hv to clean up ur own shiet. And I like how even her family doesn't like her, like that's very real, you really can't expext anything when you're unstable.
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  499. i agree with this 100%
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  500. I agree 💯
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  501. Honestly, I think that all this hate for Cassie is really messy and toxic... The main message of the show is literally " we all make bad decision, but nonetheless we're able to improve ourself. We should be less judicious towards others and ourself". But most people apply this message on everyone but Cassie. We all know Cassie has her fair share of mistakes, but its so overlooked that Nate is a manipulative person, not just with Maddy. We should remember that Cassie was deeply depressed and fragile, she felt empty and lonely, i personally think that Nate took advantage of her vulnerability to forget his feelings. I cant understand how so many people underestimate his influence on Cassie while Maddy has INCRIMINATED an INNOCENT person only to protect Nate. Also, i found the Lesley's play down straight cruel and humiliating to Cassie, because for me it was done with no particular moral intent, but mostly with envy. This is pure slutshaming for me. I think that season 2 was too ipocrite with the initial message and i hate the way Cassie has been represented. The narrative is really too ambiguous with her, because it begans to make her look like a ridiculous villain instead of a more real and complex character. We have all forgive Rue, even though she had ruined her family's life, she used to be manipulative and a liar, because she was obviously hurt. And likewise happens with every other characters. So why people can't even try to empathize a little with what Cassie is going through? This seems kinda misogyny to me...ops
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  502. Honestly, I think that all this hate for Cassie is really messy and toxic... The main message of the show is literally " we all make bad decision, but nonetheless we're able to improve ourself. We should be less judicious towards others and ourself". But most people apply this message on everyone but Cassie. We all know Cassie has her fair share of mistakes, but its so overlooked that Nate is a manipulative person, not just with Maddy. We should remember that Cassie was deeply depressed and fragile, she felt empty and lonely, i personally think that Nate took advantage of her vulnerability to forget his feelings. I cant understand how so many people underestimate his influence on Cassie while Maddy has INCRIMINATED an INNOCENT person only to protect Nate. Also, i found the Lesley's play down straight cruel and humiliating to Cassie, because for me it was done with no particular moral intent, but mostly with envy. This is pure slutshaming for me. I think that season 2 was too ipocrite with the initial message and i hate the way Cassie has been represented. The narrative is really too ambiguous with her, because it begans to make her look like a ridiculous villain instead of a more real and complex character. We have all forgive Rue, even though she had ruined her family's life, she used to be manipulative and a liar, because she was obviously hurt. And likewise happens with every other characters. So why people can't even try to empathize a little with what Cassie is going through? This seems kinda misogyny to me...ops
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  503. I love cassies character. Maybe I haven't seen a lot of movies but I haven't seen a lot of characters with mental problems depicted like she is. Like it's either the sweet anxious/depressed girl or the completely crazy one that's practically a joke. It's good to see a character who's spiralling deeper and deeper beyond help, hurting people around her, unable to break out of her habits even when she wants to. I've had depression too and been there, I want her to get better next season of course but it's sill kind of validating to watch? Weirdly enough. And I don't really mind the ppl who are angry with her, ppl aren't supposed to accommodate u just becuz you're mentally ill. U hv to clean up ur own shiet. And I like how even her family doesn't like her, like that's very real, you really can't expext anything when you're unstable. tbh
    1
  504. Some comments make me wonder what would they say if instead of a daughter, it was a son. Even this father, like, if he had a son who is a pronstar, would he be in this video? I've read a lot of people talking about how ashamed female pronstars should be, but when it comes to male, it's totally different, i've even seen people joking about how every men's dream job is to become a pronstar from age 13. Imo, both can be good or bad, of course, it is more common to have women being degraded in pron videos, even if it is a vanilla one, but i'm sure that there are bad sides for any gender. At least, there are people trying to change this scenario, maybe one day people will stop saying so many bad things about women who want to and work as pronstars, and just think that they chose this job, because they like it.
    1
  505. Honestly, I think that all this hate for Cassie is really messy and toxic... The main message of the show is literally " we all make bad decision, but nonetheless we're able to improve ourself. We should be less judicious towards others and ourself". But most people apply this message on everyone but Cassie. We all know Cassie has her fair share of mistakes, but its so overlooked that Nate is a manipulative person, not just with Maddy. We should remember that Cassie was deeply depressed and fragile, she felt empty and lonely, i personally think that Nate took advantage of her vulnerability to forget his feelings. I cant understand how so many people underestimate his influence on Cassie while Maddy has INCRIMINATED an INNOCENT person only to protect Nate. Also, i found the Lesley's play down straight cruel and humiliating to Cassie, because for me it was done with no particular moral intent, but mostly with envy. This is pure slutshaming for me. I think that season 2 was too ipocrite with the initial message and i hate the way Cassie has been represented. The narrative is really too ambiguous with her, because it begans to make her look like a ridiculous villain instead of a more real and complex character. We have all forgive Rue, even though she had ruined her family's life, she used to be manipulative and a liar, because she was obviously hurt. And likewise happens with every other characters. So why people can't even try to empathize a little with what Cassie is going through? This seems kinda misogyny to me...ops
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  506. Honestly, I think that all this hate for Cassie is really messy and toxic... The main message of the show is literally " we all make bad decision, but nonetheless we're able to improve ourself. We should be less judicious towards others and ourself". But most people apply this message on everyone but Cassie. We all know Cassie has her fair share of mistakes, but its so overlooked that Nate is a manipulative person, not just with Maddy. We should remember that Cassie was deeply depressed and fragile, she felt empty and lonely, i personally think that Nate took advantage of her vulnerability to forget his feelings. I cant understand how so many people underestimate his influence on Cassie while Maddy has INCRIMINATED an INNOCENT person only to protect Nate. Also, i found the Lesley's play down straight cruel and humiliating to Cassie, because for me it was done with no particular moral intent, but mostly with envy. This is pure slutshaming for me. I think that season 2 was too ipocrite with the initial message and i hate the way Cassie has been represented. The narrative is really too ambiguous with her, because it begans to make her look like a ridiculous villain instead of a more real and complex character. We have all forgive Rue, even though she had ruined her family's life, she used to be manipulative and a liar, because she was obviously hurt. And likewise happens with every other characters. So why people can't even try to empathize a little with what Cassie is going through? This seems kinda misogyny to me...ops
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  507. Honestly, I think that all this hate for Cassie is really messy and toxic... The main message of the show is literally " we all make bad decision, but nonetheless we're able to improve ourself. We should be less judicious towards others and ourself". But most people apply this message on everyone but Cassie. We all know Cassie has her fair share of mistakes, but its so overlooked that Nate is a manipulative person, not just with Maddy. We should remember that Cassie was deeply depressed and fragile, she felt empty and lonely, i personally think that Nate took advantage of her vulnerability to forget his feelings. I cant understand how so many people underestimate his influence on Cassie while Maddy has INCRIMINATED an INNOCENT person only to protect Nate. Also, i found the Lesley's play down straight cruel and humiliating to Cassie, because for me it was done with no particular moral intent, but mostly with envy. This is pure slutshaming for me. I think that season 2 was too ipocrite with the initial message and i hate the way Cassie has been represented. The narrative is really too ambiguous with her, because it begans to make her look like a ridiculous villain instead of a more real and complex character. We have all forgive Rue, even though she had ruined her family's life, she used to be manipulative and a liar, because she was obviously hurt. And likewise happens with every other characters. So why people can't even try to empathize a little with what Cassie is going through? This seems kinda misogyny to me...ops
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  508. Honestly, I think that all this hate for Cassie is really messy and toxic... The main message of the show is literally " we all make bad decision, but nonetheless we're able to improve ourself. We should be less judicious towards others and ourself". But most people apply this message on everyone but Cassie. We all know Cassie has her fair share of mistakes, but its so overlooked that Nate is a manipulative person, not just with Maddy. We should remember that Cassie was deeply depressed and fragile, she felt empty and lonely, i personally think that Nate took advantage of her vulnerability to forget his feelings. I cant understand how so many people underestimate his influence on Cassie while Maddy has INCRIMINATED an INNOCENT person only to protect Nate. Also, i found the Lesley's play down straight cruel and humiliating to Cassie, because for me it was done with no particular moral intent, but mostly with envy. This is pure slutshaming for me. I think that season 2 was too ipocrite with the initial message and i hate the way Cassie has been represented. The narrative is really too ambiguous with her, because it begans to make her look like a ridiculous villain instead of a more real and complex character. We have all forgive Rue, even though she had ruined her family's life, she used to be manipulative and a liar, because she was obviously hurt. And likewise happens with every other characters. So why people can't even try to empathize a little with what Cassie is going through? This seems kinda misogyny to me...ops
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  509.  @pennyomega7421  i agree this 100%
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  510.  @YouYou-sm8tf  i agree with this
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  511. Btw, whats your opinion on Jenny from Forrest Gump as a character ? She is also a flawed female character that get hated a lot for the way she treated Forrest, but Idc what anybody says, Jenny is my favorite character because i can empathize with her due to her upbringing, there is more to her than meets the eye, same goes for character like her, Bojack Horseman, you can find their actions intolerable and still empathize with them, abusive upbringing can damage a person's mind drastically.
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  512.  @CristalianaIvor  From my interpretation she did love him but didn't find herself worthy of him because of her own hardships and terrible upbringing, she was abused since child so no wonder she turned out that way. She always cared for him and only reason she stopped herself from commiting suicide was for his sake. She stayed away from him during her own hardships and couldn't even accept his marriage proposal but gave in seeing unconditional love from forrest. She also had aids due to her prostitution and drug abuse she gone through and she just hoped Forrest would get over her which he didn't. If she was selfish she would have just accepted his marriage proposal and lived off his money but instead she left him and got her own job until she got better and seeing forrest still loving her after all those years she finally decided to get together for her final years
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  513. Honestly, I think that all this hate for Cassie is really messy and toxic... The main message of the show is literally " we all make bad decision, but nonetheless we're able to improve ourself. We should be less judicious towards others and ourself". But most people apply this message on everyone but Cassie. We all know Cassie has her fair share of mistakes, but its so overlooked that Nate is a manipulative person, not just with Maddy. We should remember that Cassie was deeply depressed and fragile, she felt empty and lonely, i personally think that Nate took advantage of her vulnerability to forget his feelings. I cant understand how so many people underestimate his influence on Cassie while Maddy has INCRIMINATED an INNOCENT person only to protect Nate. Also, i found the Lesley's play down straight cruel and humiliating to Cassie, because for me it was done with no particular moral intent, but mostly with envy. This is pure slutshaming for me. I think that season 2 was too ipocrite with the initial message and i hate the way Cassie has been represented. The narrative is really too ambiguous with her, because it begans to make her look like a ridiculous villain instead of a more real and complex character. We have all forgive Rue, even though she had ruined her family's life, she used to be manipulative and a liar, because she was obviously hurt. And likewise happens with every other characters. So why people can't even try to empathize a little with what Cassie is going through? This seems kinda misogyny to me...ops
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  514. Honestly, I think that all this hate for Cassie is really messy and toxic... The main message of the show is literally " we all make bad decision, but nonetheless we're able to improve ourself. We should be less judicious towards others and ourself". But most people apply this message on everyone but Cassie. We all know Cassie has her fair share of mistakes, but its so overlooked that Nate is a manipulative person, not just with Maddy. We should remember that Cassie was deeply depressed and fragile, she felt empty and lonely, i personally think that Nate took advantage of her vulnerability to forget his feelings. I cant understand how so many people underestimate his influence on Cassie while Maddy has INCRIMINATED an INNOCENT person only to protect Nate. Also, i found the Lesley's play down straight cruel and humiliating to Cassie, because for me it was done with no particular moral intent, but mostly with envy. This is pure slutshaming for me. I think that season 2 was too ipocrite with the initial message and i hate the way Cassie has been represented. The narrative is really too ambiguous with her, because it begans to make her look like a ridiculous villain instead of a more real and complex character. We have all forgive Rue, even though she had ruined her family's life, she used to be manipulative and a liar, because she was obviously hurt. And likewise happens with every other characters. So why people can't even try to empathize a little with what Cassie is going through? This seems kinda misogyny to me...ops
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  515. Japanese culture as a whole can be very repressive . They are taught from very young age to "suck it up" and don't show any kind of rebellion, opinion , basically any kind of emotion . It's kind of a "Mechanical" do you work and go home and be repressed at home as well. Don't talk about it or even broach the subject. Explains high Suicide rate over there !!! They may technologically advanced but at great Human emotional Sacrifice!!!
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  516. Some comments make me wonder what would they say if instead of a daughter, it was a son. Even this father, like, if he had a son who is a pronstar, would he be in this video? I've read a lot of people talking about how ashamed female pronstars should be, but when it comes to male, it's totally different, i've even seen people joking about how every men's dream job is to become a pronstar from age 13. Imo, both can be good or bad, of course, it is more common to have women being degraded in pron videos, even if it is a vanilla one, but i'm sure that there are bad sides for any gender. At least, there are people trying to change this scenario, maybe one day people will stop saying so many bad things about women who want to and work as pronstars, and just think that they chose this job, because they like it.
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  517. @𝚔𝚢 Let me go against the grain here with regards to the popular opinion in the comment section. There is nothing degrading about being a sex worker, sex work does not make you a lesser person or less educated and while you might end up being on the internet forever, as long as society doesn't judge you, that shouldn't be a big deal. Would I want my child (daughter OR SON) doing this stuff? No. Why? I don't trust some of the higher ups in these industries. Some of these people are shady and treat women particularly like crap. But that could improve and has made significant progress as more women started to take control. My second main reason is the misogyny my daughter would face by both men AND women (including Feminists) for simply recording and distributing something that most people do. Some of these women, maybe not in Japan but in America and Europe, make ridiculous amounts of money by simply showing the physical intimacy I their monogamous relationship between themselves and their partner. They're doing the same things they'd do, just recording and distributing it for tens of thousands to hundreds of thousands of dollars. Why does this affect them with regards to how they are perceived? Why should this affect them with regards to getting a job or running for office? How are they inherently bad people because they filmed themselves f*ck?
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  518. Let me go against the grain here with regards to the popular opinion in the comment section. There is nothing degrading about being a sex worker, sex work does not make you a lesser person or less educated and while you might end up being on the internet forever, as long as society doesn't judge you, that shouldn't be a big deal. Would I want my child (daughter OR SON) doing this stuff? No. Why? I don't trust some of the higher ups in these industries. Some of these people are shady and treat women particularly like crap. But that could improve and has made significant progress as more women started to take control. My second main reason is the misogyny my daughter would face by both men AND women (including Feminists) for simply recording and distributing something that most people do. Some of these women, maybe not in Japan but in America and Europe, make ridiculous amounts of money by simply showing the physical intimacy I their monogamous relationship between themselves and their partner. They're doing the same things they'd do, just recording and distributing it for tens of thousands to hundreds of thousands of dollars. Why does this affect them with regards to how they are perceived? Why should this affect them with regards to getting a job or running for office? How are they inherently bad people because they filmed themselves f*ck?
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  519. My opinion on this is, if you're ok with men watching porn or if you're watching porn yourself, its actually quite hypocritical to be ashamed of your own daughter/mother/sister doing porn. Maybe we should put all the shame around it aside and accept that there are always people willing to have sex in exchange for money and always people who are willing to pay for sex.
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  520.  @wyleecoyotee4252  First study (By Family Studies): shows a drop from 73% to about 65% if you have 2 other partners prior to marriage, but then essentially stays at that level through up to 10 previous partners. But what does that prove since the vast majority of men AND women in western society have had sex with multiple partners by the time they married AND marriages NOW are taking place much later. So, did this study control for the age of the women? Did the study control for religiosity since women marrying with no previous sex partners may have had arranged marriages. I'm not convinced at all (from the graph alone) that the study methodology is convincing that there is a difference between no pre-marital partners and TEN pre-marital partners. :). Looking at the second study (Family Study; 5 year prediction of divorce by number of people spouses slept with prior to marriage). I'm in the biz of sociology/psychology so am reasonably familiar with research. I don't have the actual study in front of me, but the graph alone is problematic. Notice how you go from 5% chance of divorce if 0 previous partners jumping to 20% if 1 previous partner, then 30% if 2 previous partners, but then after that, an actual drop off to 25% if you've had 10 or more partners pre-marriage! So if pre-marital sex with others is a factor there should be a consistent rise on the x/y axes (if 1-2 makes a difference, then even more should make more difference). But that's not shown here, so I'm not convinced that this study has proven anything.
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  521. Honestly, I think that all this hate for Cassie is really messy and toxic... The main message of the show is literally " we all make bad decision, but nonetheless we're able to improve ourself. We should be less judicious towards others and ourself". But most people apply this message on everyone but Cassie. We all know Cassie has her fair share of mistakes, but its so overlooked that Nate is a manipulative person, not just with Maddy. We should remember that Cassie was deeply depressed and fragile, she felt empty and lonely, i personally think that Nate took advantage of her vulnerability to forget his feelings. I cant understand how so many people underestimate his influence on Cassie while Maddy has INCRIMINATED an INNOCENT person only to protect Nate. Also, i found the Lesley's play down straight cruel and humiliating to Cassie, because for me it was done with no particular moral intent, but mostly with envy. This is pure slutshaming for me. I think that season 2 was too ipocrite with the initial message and i hate the way Cassie has been represented. The narrative is really too ambiguous with her, because it begans to make her look like a ridiculous villain instead of a more real and complex character. We have all forgive Rue, even though she had ruined her family's life, she used to be manipulative and a liar, because she was obviously hurt. And likewise happens with every other characters. So why people can't even try to empathize a little with what Cassie is going through? This seems kinda misogyny to me...ops
    1
  522. Let me go against the grain here with regards to the popular opinion in the comment section. There is nothing degrading about being a sex worker, sex work does not make you a lesser person or less educated and while you might end up being on the internet forever, as long as society doesn't judge you, that shouldn't be a big deal. Would I want my child (daughter OR SON) doing this stuff? No. Why? I don't trust some of the higher ups in these industries. Some of these people are shady and treat women particularly like crap. But that could improve and has made significant progress as more women started to take control. My second main reason is the misogyny my daughter would face by both men AND women (including Feminists) for simply recording and distributing something that most people do. Some of these women, maybe not in Japan but in America and Europe, make ridiculous amounts of money by simply showing the physical intimacy I their monogamous relationship between themselves and their partner. They're doing the same things they'd do, just recording and distributing it for tens of thousands to hundreds of thousands of dollars. Why does this affect them with regards to how they are perceived? Why should this affect them with regards to getting a job or running for office? How are they inherently bad people because they filmed themselves f*ck?
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  523.  @acewalker  Some comments make me wonder what would they say if instead of a daughter, it was a son. Even this father, like, if he had a son who is a pronstar, would he be in this video? I've read a lot of people talking about how ashamed female pronstars should be, but when it comes to male, it's totally different, i've even seen people joking about how every men's dream job is to become a pronstar from age 13. Imo, both can be good or bad, of course, it is more common to have women being degraded in pron videos, even if it is a vanilla one, but i'm sure that there are bad sides for any gender. At least, there are people trying to change this scenario, maybe one day people will stop saying so many bad things about women who want to and work as pronstars, and just think that they chose this job, because they like it.
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  524. i know, right ?
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  525.  @MaxSujyReact  Some comments make me wonder what would they say if instead of a daughter, it was a son. Even this father, like, if he had a son who is a pronstar, would he be in this video? I've read a lot of people talking about how ashamed female pronstars should be, but when it comes to male, it's totally different, i've even seen people joking about how every men's dream job is to become a pronstar from age 13. Imo, both can be good or bad, of course, it is more common to have women being degraded in pron videos, even if it is a vanilla one, but i'm sure that there are bad sides for any gender. At least, there are people trying to change this scenario, maybe one day people will stop saying so many bad things about women who want to and work as pronstars, and just think that they chose this job, because they like it.
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  526.  @alexdhamp  Some comments make me wonder what would they say if instead of a daughter, it was a son. Even this father, like, if he had a son who is a pronstar, would he be in this video? I've read a lot of people talking about how ashamed female pronstars should be, but when it comes to male, it's totally different, i've even seen people joking about how every men's dream job is to become a pronstar from age 13. Imo, both can be good or bad, of course, it is more common to have women being degraded in pron videos, even if it is a vanilla one, but i'm sure that there are bad sides for any gender. At least, there are people trying to change this scenario, maybe one day people will stop saying so many bad things about women who want to and work as pronstars, and just think that they chose this job, because they like it.
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  527.  FIGHTFANNERD10  Some comments make me wonder what would they say if instead of a daughter, it was a son. Even this father, like, if he had a son who is a pronstar, would he be in this video? I've read a lot of people talking about how ashamed female pronstars should be, but when it comes to male, it's totally different, i've even seen people joking about how every men's dream job is to become a pronstar from age 13. Imo, both can be good or bad, of course, it is more common to have women being degraded in pron videos, even if it is a vanilla one, but i'm sure that there are bad sides for any gender. At least, there are people trying to change this scenario, maybe one day people will stop saying so many bad things about women who want to and work as pronstars, and just think that they chose this job, because they like it.
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  528. @astrid liliencron Some comments make me wonder what would they say if instead of a daughter, it was a son. Even this father, like, if he had a son who is a pronstar, would he be in this video? I've read a lot of people talking about how ashamed female pronstars should be, but when it comes to male, it's totally different, i've even seen people joking about how every men's dream job is to become a pronstar from age 13. Imo, both can be good or bad, of course, it is more common to have women being degraded in pron videos, even if it is a vanilla one, but i'm sure that there are bad sides for any gender. At least, there are people trying to change this scenario, maybe one day people will stop saying so many bad things about women who want to and work as pronstars, and just think that they chose this job, because they like it.
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  529.  @569times9  Some comments make me wonder what would they say if instead of a daughter, it was a son. Even this father, like, if he had a son who is a pronstar, would he be in this video? I've read a lot of people talking about how ashamed female pronstars should be, but when it comes to male, it's totally different, i've even seen people joking about how every men's dream job is to become a pronstar from age 13. Imo, both can be good or bad, of course, it is more common to have women being degraded in pron videos, even if it is a vanilla one, but i'm sure that there are bad sides for any gender. At least, there are people trying to change this scenario, maybe one day people will stop saying so many bad things about women who want to and work as pronstars, and just think that they chose this job, because they like it.
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  530. @Elleon Mor Some comments make me wonder what would they say if instead of a daughter, it was a son. Even this father, like, if he had a son who is a pronstar, would he be in this video? I've read a lot of people talking about how ashamed female pronstars should be, but when it comes to male, it's totally different, i've even seen people joking about how every men's dream job is to become a pronstar from age 13. Imo, both can be good or bad, of course, it is more common to have women being degraded in pron videos, even if it is a vanilla one, but i'm sure that there are bad sides for any gender. At least, there are people trying to change this scenario, maybe one day people will stop saying so many bad things about women who want to and work as pronstars, and just think that they chose this job, because they like it.
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  531.  FIGHTFANNERD10  Some comments make me wonder what would they say if instead of a daughter, it was a son. Even this father, like, if he had a son who is a pronstar, would he be in this video? I've read a lot of people talking about how ashamed female pronstars should be, but when it comes to male, it's totally different, i've even seen people joking about how every men's dream job is to become a pronstar from age 13. Imo, both can be good or bad, of course, it is more common to have women being degraded in pron videos, even if it is a vanilla one, but i'm sure that there are bad sides for any gender. At least, there are people trying to change this scenario, maybe one day people will stop saying so many bad things about women who want to and work as pronstars, and just think that they chose this job, because they like it.
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  532.  @569times9  Some comments make me wonder what would they say if instead of a daughter, it was a son. Even this father, like, if he had a son who is a pronstar, would he be in this video? I've read a lot of people talking about how ashamed female pronstars should be, but when it comes to male, it's totally different, i've even seen people joking about how every men's dream job is to become a pronstar from age 13. Imo, both can be good or bad, of course, it is more common to have women being degraded in pron videos, even if it is a vanilla one, but i'm sure that there are bad sides for any gender. At least, there are people trying to change this scenario, maybe one day people will stop saying so many bad things about women who want to and work as pronstars, and just think that they chose this job, because they like it.
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  533.  @BeekoBaggins  Some comments make me wonder what would they say if instead of a daughter, it was a son. Even this father, like, if he had a son who is a pronstar, would he be in this video? I've read a lot of people talking about how ashamed female pronstars should be, but when it comes to male, it's totally different, i've even seen people joking about how every men's dream job is to become a pronstar from age 13. Imo, both can be good or bad, of course, it is more common to have women being degraded in pron videos, even if it is a vanilla one, but i'm sure that there are bad sides for any gender. At least, there are people trying to change this scenario, maybe one day people will stop saying so many bad things about women who want to and work as pronstars, and just think that they chose this job, because they like it.
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  534.  @AdachiCat  Some comments make me wonder what would they say if instead of a daughter, it was a son. Even this father, like, if he had a son who is a pronstar, would he be in this video? I've read a lot of people talking about how ashamed female pronstars should be, but when it comes to male, it's totally different, i've even seen people joking about how every men's dream job is to become a pronstar from age 13. Imo, both can be good or bad, of course, it is more common to have women being degraded in pron videos, even if it is a vanilla one, but i'm sure that there are bad sides for any gender. At least, there are people trying to change this scenario, maybe one day people will stop saying so many bad things about women who want to and work as pronstars, and just think that they chose this job, because they like it.
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  535.  @harurenford2296  Some comments make me wonder what would they say if instead of a daughter, it was a son. Even this father, like, if he had a son who is a pronstar, would he be in this video? I've read a lot of people talking about how ashamed female pronstars should be, but when it comes to male, it's totally different, i've even seen people joking about how every men's dream job is to become a pronstar from age 13. Imo, both can be good or bad, of course, it is more common to have women being degraded in pron videos, even if it is a vanilla one, but i'm sure that there are bad sides for any gender. At least, there are people trying to change this scenario, maybe one day people will stop saying so many bad things about women who want to and work as pronstars, and just think that they chose this job, because they like it.
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  536.  @MaxSujyReact  Some comments make me wonder what would they say if instead of a daughter, it was a son. Even this father, like, if he had a son who is a pronstar, would he be in this video? I've read a lot of people talking about how ashamed female pronstars should be, but when it comes to male, it's totally different, i've even seen people joking about how every men's dream job is to become a pronstar from age 13. Imo, both can be good or bad, of course, it is more common to have women being degraded in pron videos, even if it is a vanilla one, but i'm sure that there are bad sides for any gender. At least, there are people trying to change this scenario, maybe one day people will stop saying so many bad things about women who want to and work as pronstars, and just think that they chose this job, because they like it.
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  537.  @georgiana1147  Let me go against the grain here with regards to the popular opinion in the comment section. There is nothing degrading about being a sex worker, sex work does not make you a lesser person or less educated and while you might end up being on the internet forever, as long as society doesn't judge you, that shouldn't be a big deal. Would I want my child (daughter OR SON) doing this stuff? No. Why? I don't trust some of the higher ups in these industries. Some of these people are shady and treat women particularly like crap. But that could improve and has made significant progress as more women started to take control. My second main reason is the misogyny my daughter would face by both men AND women (including Feminists) for simply recording and distributing something that most people do. Some of these women, maybe not in Japan but in America and Europe, make ridiculous amounts of money by simply showing the physical intimacy I their monogamous relationship between themselves and their partner. They're doing the same things they'd do, just recording and distributing it for tens of thousands to hundreds of thousands of dollars. Why does this affect them with regards to how they are perceived? Why should this affect them with regards to getting a job or running for office? How are they inherently bad people because they filmed themselves f*ck?
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  538.  @BeekoBaggins  Every job has its own risks and enjoyment. They too enjoy their porn careers instead of doing it out of desperation and as an easy way to earn money, times have changed, and people are getting more open-minded because they see porn as an art. There are also pornstars who plan an exit strategy even before they apply to a porn company. they get in and make huge bucks for 2 or 3 years (insane amounts of cash). then they move on with their lives. needless to say, they must be studying in colleges or doing something else alongside instead of just porn. many strippers and hustlers follow this exit strategy plan also. More than anything. Pornstars are people who for their passion have survived the criticism of the whole world. They went to follow their passion which gave them more satisfaction. There is also a huge online market of porn industries so why should they be ashamed of entering into that if that gives them satisfaction and money. I beg to differ with all people who oppose porn that you should really not watch it if you do not want to but the whole world is out there at night to watch. How are you going to control them?
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  539. I guess that I'm the weirdo that I don't care about her body count, but she can't ask me what I did in my past if I can't ask her about it, I'm pretty sure that my body count will be much higher than her anyway. I even had a striptease dancer as a girlfriend, she did go home with me, not with anyone else and that girl was better than the normal girlfriends that I've had, much sweeter, much more woman like, she treated me like a king and that felt pretty nice to be wanted like that. When you ask a woman about her ex, it sends the wrong vibes to her... I never ask about that and I don't want to know any of it and I couldn't care less about her past, but if she ever wants to tell me anything about her past I need her to be completely honest about it, never lie about it because that means I'll show her the door and have her stuff packed for her and put her on the street. I just don't tolerate people lying to me, I'll end the relationship, friendship with anyone who lies to me in an instant, she needs to be able to handle my brutal honesty too, for example if she asks me if her pants make her butt look big or whatever and that's the case then expect an answer you're not going to like very much because I'll tell her and don't even think about it anymore. Or I just start laughing and make a joke about it and leave her with that thought, then I know she's never going to ask me that question again. lol
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  540. Let me go against the grain here with regards to the popular opinion in the comment section. There is nothing degrading about being a sex worker, sex work does not make you a lesser person or less educated and while you might end up being on the internet forever, as long as society doesn't judge you, that shouldn't be a big deal. Would I want my child (daughter OR SON) doing this stuff? No. Why? I don't trust some of the higher ups in these industries. Some of these people are shady and treat women particularly like crap. But that could improve and has made significant progress as more women started to take control. My second main reason is the misogyny my daughter would face by both men AND women (including Feminists) for simply recording and distributing something that most people do. Some of these women, maybe not in Japan but in America and Europe, make ridiculous amounts of money by simply showing the physical intimacy I their monogamous relationship between themselves and their partner. They're doing the same things they'd do, just recording and distributing it for tens of thousands to hundreds of thousands of dollars. Why does this affect them with regards to how they are perceived? Why should this affect them with regards to getting a job or running for office? How are they inherently bad people because they filmed themselves f*ck?
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  541. Some comments make me wonder what would they say if instead of a daughter, it was a son. Even this father, like, if he had a son who is a pronstar, would he be in this video? I've read a lot of people talking about how ashamed female pronstars should be, but when it comes to male, it's totally different, i've even seen people joking about how every men's dream job is to become a pronstar from age 13. Imo, both can be good or bad, of course, it is more common to have women being degraded in pron videos, even if it is a vanilla one, but i'm sure that there are bad sides for any gender. At least, there are people trying to change this scenario, maybe one day people will stop saying so many bad things about women who want to and work as pronstars, and just think that they chose this job, because they like it.
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  542. I love cassies character. Maybe I haven't seen a lot of movies but I haven't seen a lot of characters with mental problems depicted like she is. Like it's either the sweet anxious/depressed girl or the completely crazy one that's practically a joke. It's good to see a character who's spiralling deeper and deeper beyond help, hurting people around her, unable to break out of her habits even when she wants to. I've had depression too and been there, I want her to get better next season of course but it's sill kind of validating to watch? Weirdly enough. And I don't really mind the ppl who are angry with her, ppl aren't supposed to accommodate u just becuz you're mentally ill. U hv to clean up ur own shiet. And I like how even her family doesn't like her, like that's very real, you really can't expect anything when you're unstable. tbh
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  543. Let me go against the grain here with regards to the popular opinion in the comment section. There is nothing degrading about being a sex worker, sex work does not make you a lesser person or less educated and while you might end up being on the internet forever, as long as society doesn't judge you, that shouldn't be a big deal. Would I want my child (daughter OR SON) doing this stuff? No. Why? I don't trust some of the higher ups in these industries. Some of these people are shady and treat women particularly like crap. But that could improve and has made significant progress as more women started to take control. My second main reason is the misogyny my daughter would face by both men AND women (including Feminists) for simply recording and distributing something that most people do. Some of these women, maybe not in Japan but in America and Europe, make ridiculous amounts of money by simply showing the physical intimacy I their monogamous relationship between themselves and their partner. They're doing the same things they'd do, just recording and distributing it for tens of thousands to hundreds of thousands of dollars. Why does this affect them with regards to how they are perceived? Why should this affect them with regards to getting a job or running for office? How are they inherently bad people because they filmed themselves f*ck?
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  544. My opinion on this is, if you're ok with men watching porn or if you're watching porn yourself, its actually quite hypocritical to be ashamed of your own daughter/mother/sister doing porn. Maybe we should put all the shame around it aside and accept that there are always people willing to have sex in exchange for money and always people who are willing to pay for sex.
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  545. They did her SO DIRTY MAN, I love cassies character. Maybe I haven't seen a lot of movies but I haven't seen a lot of characters with mental problems depicted like she is. Like it's either the sweet anxious/depressed girl or the completely crazy one that's practically a joke. It's good to see a character who's spiralling deeper and deeper beyond help, hurting people around her, unable to break out of her habits even when she wants to. I've had depression too and been there, I want her to get better next season of course but it's sill kind of validating to watch? Weirdly enough. And I don't really mind the ppl who are angry with her, ppl aren't supposed to accommodate u just becuz you're mentally ill. U hv to clean up ur own shiet. And I like how even her family doesn't like her, like that's very real, you really can't expect anything when you're unstable. tbh
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  546. I say this, I have met women who have had multiple sexual partners, have repented of their past behavior and make excellent mothers and wives. I have also met women who have married as virgins and become bitter, callus, and unfaithful in their marriages. Personally, my marriage ended from a woman who was unfaithful to me and we did it “the right way.” I am not saying multiple partner women or virgins are better, but I am saying see where she is at now. Where is her mind at now. What does she think of her past now. These things matter more holistically.
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  547. I certainly found being single makes me happier as a person, thats not to say i'm shaming women who want to get marry. Being single has its pros and cons, but i'm just content with the way i live, and thats what peole should try to be tbh😊
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  548.  @1-800-PlsAdoptMe  i agree with this, we need MORE
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  549. Honestly, I think that all this hate for Cassie is really messy and toxic... The main message of the show is literally " we all make bad decision, but nonetheless we're able to improve ourself. We should be less judicious towards others and ourself". But most people apply this message on everyone but Cassie. We all know Cassie has her fair share of mistakes, but its so overlooked that Nate is a manipulative person, not just with Maddy. We should remember that Cassie was deeply depressed and fragile, she felt empty and lonely, i personally think that Nate took advantage of her vulnerability to forget his feelings. I cant understand how so many people underestimate his influence on Cassie while Maddy has INCRIMINATED an INNOCENT person only to protect Nate. Also, i found the Lesley's play down straight cruel and humiliating to Cassie, because for me it was done with no particular moral intent, but mostly with envy. This is pure slutshaming for me. I think that season 2 was too ipocrite with the initial message and i hate the way Cassie has been represented. The narrative is really too ambiguous with her, because it begans to make her look like a ridiculous villain instead of a more real and complex character. We have all forgive Rue, even though she had ruined her family's life, she used to be manipulative and a liar, because she was obviously hurt. And likewise happens with every other characters. So why people can't even try to empathize a little with what Cassie is going through? This seems kinda misogyny to me...ops
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  550. Honestly, I think that all this hate for Cassie is really messy and toxic... The main message of the show is literally " we all make bad decision, but nonetheless we're able to improve ourself. We should be less judicious towards others and ourself". But most people apply this message on everyone but Cassie. We all know Cassie has her fair share of mistakes, but its so overlooked that Nate is a manipulative person, not just with Maddy. We should remember that Cassie was deeply depressed and fragile, she felt empty and lonely, i personally think that Nate took advantage of her vulnerability to forget his feelings. I cant understand how so many people underestimate his influence on Cassie while Maddy has INCRIMINATED an INNOCENT person only to protect Nate. Also, i found the Lesley's play down straight cruel and humiliating to Cassie, because for me it was done with no particular moral intent, but mostly with envy. This is pure slutshaming for me. I think that season 2 was too ipocrite with the initial message and i hate the way Cassie has been represented. The narrative is really too ambiguous with her, because it begans to make her look like a ridiculous villain instead of a more real and complex character. We have all forgive Rue, even though she had ruined her family's life, she used to be manipulative and a liar, because she was obviously hurt. And likewise happens with every other characters. So why people can't even try to empathize a little with what Cassie is going through? This seems kinda misogyny to me...ops
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  551. I love cassies character. Maybe I haven't seen a lot of movies but I haven't seen a lot of characters with mental problems depicted like she is. Like it's either the sweet anxious/depressed girl or the completely crazy one that's practically a joke. It's good to see a character who's spiralling deeper and deeper beyond help, hurting people around her, unable to break out of her habits even when she wants to. I've had depression too and been there, I want her to get better next season of course but it's sill kind of validating to watch? Weirdly enough. And I don't really mind the ppl who are angry with her, ppl aren't supposed to accommodate u just becuz you're mentally ill. U hv to clean up ur own shiet. And I like how even her family doesn't like her, like that's very real, you really can't expect anything when you're unstable. tbh
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  552. Let me go against the grain here with regards to the popular opinion in the comment section. There is nothing degrading about being a sex worker, sex work does not make you a lesser person or less educated and while you might end up being on the internet forever, as long as society doesn't judge you, that shouldn't be a big deal. Would I want my child (daughter OR SON) doing this stuff? No. Why? I don't trust some of the higher ups in these industries. Some of these people are shady and treat women particularly like crap. But that could improve and has made significant progress as more women started to take control. My second main reason is the misogyny my daughter would face by both men AND women (including Feminists) for simply recording and distributing something that most people do. Some of these women, maybe not in Japan but in America and Europe, make ridiculous amounts of money by simply showing the physical intimacy I their monogamous relationship between themselves and their partner. They're doing the same things they'd do, just recording and distributing it for tens of thousands to hundreds of thousands of dollars. Why does this affect them with regards to how they are perceived? Why should this affect them with regards to getting a job or running for office? How are they inherently bad people because they filmed themselves f*ck?
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  553. Let me go against the grain here with regards to the popular opinion in the comment section. There is nothing degrading about being a sex worker, sex work does not make you a lesser person or less educated and while you might end up being on the internet forever, as long as society doesn't judge you, that shouldn't be a big deal. Would I want my child (daughter OR SON) doing this stuff? No. Why? I don't trust some of the higher ups in these industries. Some of these people are shady and treat women particularly like crap. But that could improve and has made significant progress as more women started to take control. My second main reason is the misogyny my daughter would face by both men AND women (including Feminists) for simply recording and distributing something that most people do. Some of these women, maybe not in Japan but in America and Europe, make ridiculous amounts of money by simply showing the physical intimacy I their monogamous relationship between themselves and their partner. They're doing the same things they'd do, just recording and distributing it for tens of thousands to hundreds of thousands of dollars. Why does this affect them with regards to how they are perceived? Why should this affect them with regards to getting a job or running for office? How are they inherently bad people because they filmed themselves f*ck?
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  554. Let me go against the grain here with regards to the popular opinion in the comment section. There is nothing degrading about being a sex worker, sex work does not make you a lesser person or less educated and while you might end up being on the internet forever, as long as society doesn't judge you, that shouldn't be a big deal. Would I want my child (daughter OR SON) doing this stuff? No. Why? I don't trust some of the higher ups in these industries. Some of these people are shady and treat women particularly like crap. But that could improve and has made significant progress as more women started to take control. My second main reason is the misogyny my daughter would face by both men AND women (including Feminists) for simply recording and distributing something that most people do. Some of these women, maybe not in Japan but in America and Europe, make ridiculous amounts of money by simply showing the physical intimacy I their monogamous relationship between themselves and their partner. They're doing the same things they'd do, just recording and distributing it for tens of thousands to hundreds of thousands of dollars. Why does this affect them with regards to how they are perceived? Why should this affect them with regards to getting a job or running for office? How are they inherently bad people because they filmed themselves f*ck?
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  555. Let me go against the grain here with regards to the popular opinion in the comment section. There is nothing degrading about being a sex worker, sex work does not make you a lesser person or less educated and while you might end up being on the internet forever, as long as society doesn't judge you, that shouldn't be a big deal. Would I want my child (daughter OR SON) doing this stuff? No. Why? I don't trust some of the higher ups in these industries. Some of these people are shady and treat women particularly like crap. But that could improve and has made significant progress as more women started to take control. My second main reason is the misogyny my daughter would face by both men AND women (including Feminists) for simply recording and distributing something that most people do. Some of these women, maybe not in Japan but in America and Europe, make ridiculous amounts of money by simply showing the physical intimacy I their monogamous relationship between themselves and their partner. They're doing the same things they'd do, just recording and distributing it for tens of thousands to hundreds of thousands of dollars. Why does this affect them with regards to how they are perceived? Why should this affect them with regards to getting a job or running for office? How are they inherently bad people because they filmed themselves f*ck?
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  556. Honestly, I think that all this hate for Cassie is really messy and toxic... The main message of the show is literally " we all make bad decision, but nonetheless we're able to improve ourself. We should be less judicious towards others and ourself". But most people apply this message on everyone but Cassie. We all know Cassie has her fair share of mistakes, but its so overlooked that Nate is a manipulative person, not just with Maddy. We should remember that Cassie was deeply depressed and fragile, she felt empty and lonely, i personally think that Nate took advantage of her vulnerability to forget his feelings. I cant understand how so many people underestimate his influence on Cassie while Maddy has INCRIMINATED an INNOCENT person only to protect Nate. Also, i found the Lesley's play down straight cruel and humiliating to Cassie, because for me it was done with no particular moral intent, but mostly with envy. This is pure slutshaming for me. I think that season 2 was too ipocrite with the initial message and i hate the way Cassie has been represented. The narrative is really too ambiguous with her, because it begans to make her look like a ridiculous villain instead of a more real and complex character. We have all forgive Rue, even though she had ruined her family's life, she used to be manipulative and a liar, because she was obviously hurt. And likewise happens with every other characters. So why people can't even try to empathize a little with what Cassie is going through? This seems kinda misogyny to me...ops
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  557. Honestly, I think that all this hate for Cassie is really messy and toxic... The main message of the show is literally " we all make bad decision, but nonetheless we're able to improve ourself. We should be less judicious towards others and ourself". But most people apply this message on everyone but Cassie. We all know Cassie has her fair share of mistakes, but its so overlooked that Nate is a manipulative person, not just with Maddy. We should remember that Cassie was deeply depressed and fragile, she felt empty and lonely, i personally think that Nate took advantage of her vulnerability to forget his feelings. I cant understand how so many people underestimate his influence on Cassie while Maddy has INCRIMINATED an INNOCENT person only to protect Nate. Also, i found the Lesley's play down straight cruel and humiliating to Cassie, because for me it was done with no particular moral intent, but mostly with envy. This is pure slutshaming for me. I think that season 2 was too ipocrite with the initial message and i hate the way Cassie has been represented. The narrative is really too ambiguous with her, because it begans to make her look like a ridiculous villain instead of a more real and complex character. We have all forgive Rue, even though she had ruined her family's life, she used to be manipulative and a liar, because she was obviously hurt. And likewise happens with every other characters. So why people can't even try to empathize a little with what Cassie is going through? This seems kinda misogyny to me...ops
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  558.  @elgift  I think the argument is too black and white. Either its all female voodoo or a girly with an apes bod. Women don't need muscle to be strong, but they need more than a body to be a good character. I think Arcane does a spectacular job at writing women who are people before their gender. For instance the punching Powerhouse Vi, who beats the shit out of people. She punches before she thinks, but thats not because she's an angry feminist... she grew up in an environment where you had to fight to survive. Plus, she was in charge of her ragtag siblings, prepped to be a leader by her adoptive father. The difference is that seducing people and then beating them up won't really work for the problems she faces. So, conditions effect character. Black windows tactic works with the conditions of a modern world, and kinda points out the flaws in the men she seduces rather than her seducing. The problem is that marvel is trying to appeal more to kids so they gotta water down characters a bit. She's a morally grey character and that's why she's cool. It's not about being more manly because men exist in different conditions. I think if we want to see a more human side to black window, they could maybe show how she feels about her tactic, make her get fed up and lash out because changing the character without confronting the conditioned behavior washes away the humanity.
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  559.  @elgift  I think the argument is too black and white. Either its all female voodoo or a girly with an apes bod. Women don't need muscle to be strong, but they need more than a body to be a good character. I think Arcane does a spectacular job at writing women who are people before their gender. For instance the punching Powerhouse Vi, who beats the shit out of people. She punches before she thinks, but thats not because she's an angry feminist... she grew up in an environment where you had to fight to survive. Plus, she was in charge of her ragtag siblings, prepped to be a leader by her adoptive father. The difference is that seducing people and then beating them up won't really work for the problems she faces. So, conditions effect character. Black windows tactic works with the conditions of a modern world, and kinda points out the flaws in the men she seduces rather than her seducing. The problem is that marvel is trying to appeal more to kids so they gotta water down characters a bit. She's a morally grey character and that's why she's cool. It's not about being more manly because men exist in different conditions. I think if we want to see a more human side to black window, they could maybe show how she feels about her tactic, make her get fed up and lash out because changing the character without confronting the conditioned behavior washes away the humanity.
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  560.  @EmDoesNotExist  I think the argument is too black and white. Either its all female voodoo or a girly with an apes bod. Women don't need muscle to be strong, but they need more than a body to be a good character. I think Arcane does a spectacular job at writing women who are people before their gender. For instance the punching Powerhouse Vi, who beats the shit out of people. She punches before she thinks, but thats not because she's an angry feminist... she grew up in an environment where you had to fight to survive. Plus, she was in charge of her ragtag siblings, prepped to be a leader by her adoptive father. The difference is that seducing people and then beating them up won't really work for the problems she faces. So, conditions effect character. Black windows tactic works with the conditions of a modern world, and kinda points out the flaws in the men she seduces rather than her seducing. The problem is that marvel is trying to appeal more to kids so they gotta water down characters a bit. She's a morally grey character and that's why she's cool. It's not about being more manly because men exist in different conditions. I think if we want to see a more human side to black window, they could maybe show how she feels about her tactic, make her get fed up and lash out because changing the character without confronting the conditioned behavior washes away the humanity.
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  561.  @Xsomono  TRUE
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  562. Idk what to think of this comment section, there’s so many very well thought out and argued points and analysis, but also so much ”Yeah scarjo’s an idiot, women have to be sexual what else do they got. Juicy milkers are great, I need to see them or I become disinterested!😤” Which just drives me nuts. The video itself, I can’t tell which side it’s on, it’s decently argued but also feels a bit simplistic and bit too stuck to pretty dusty and old ideas about women and men. Also I think it’s maybe a bit unfair to judge her for taking on sexy roles in the past, times are changing, those types of roles were maybe something she thought she just had to do, no option, to become an actor or to further her career. We don’t know is she was comfortable with Hollywood profiling her that way or not. But yeah I’m kind of sad if his opinion is that women have to be sensual and men have to be strong brutes for a movie to work. Playing around with traits just needs to be done well. On the other hand I agree that in order for a female character to be intimidating or strong doesn’t mean femininity needs to, or should be erased.
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  563. This comments section is the biggest yikes fest I have ever seen. Literally NOTHING but sex-shaming. We've got a whole lot of work to do when there are hundreds of people unifying around the notion that there is something wrong to consenting to do sex work. Being against sex work or ashamed of it will literally never make sense; the overwhelming majority of y'all aren't even virgins, and have likely had multiple partners, yet somebody choosing to take what you're already doing for free and turn it into a profit is somehow problematic? Even if you wanted to suggest that your sexual encounters were "special" and "not just with anybody," that's ignoring that that's simply YOUR choice, and that not everybody shares those values. On the other hand, that's also devaluing the joy of the work. Not every porn star JUST does it for the money; MANY sex workers do it BECAUSE it is also special for them, too. Perhaps not in the same way, but special nonetheless. Surely y'all understand that just because this is a Japanese channel, you don't actually have to BE like the Japanese, that is, ruthlessly close-minded and conservative, right? Not to mention, this notion the porn "follows" you is just being overly-simplistic. In much the same way that you can still find employment despite being fired from the five jobs you held prior, you can also find employment without your employer ever knowing you did sex work. Same too, you can also enter into meaningful relationships as well. Obviously, not everybody is comfortable dating somebody who is or was a sex worker, but then, I'm not comfortable dating close-minded sex-shaming assholes like the hundreds of y'all in the comments, so really, maybe we should just let people make their consensual choices and shut the actual fuck up if we don't personally agree with them, HMM?!
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  564. Yet more bulshit from the critical drinker. It's not about how we treat the female characters it's about how other characters treat them. In "Edge of Tomorrow" our intro to Rita is hella sexy and is explicitly designed to make us go "damn she's hot". But no characters on-screen would dare refer to her or even talk about her like that. We know the actor is hot, other characters know the character is hot, but it's irrelevant to the plot. In fact, her strength as a character is emphasized by the irrelevance of her beauty to her ability to kick ass.
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  565. I think the argument is too black and white. Either its all female voodoo or a girly with an apes bod. Women don't need muscle to be strong, but they need more than a body to be a good character. I think Arcane does a spectacular job at writing women who are people before their gender. For instance the punching Powerhouse Vi, who beats the shit out of people. She punches before she thinks, but thats not because she's an angry feminist... she grew up in an environment where you had to fight to survive. Plus, she was in charge of her ragtag siblings, prepped to be a leader by her adoptive father. The difference is that seducing people and then beating them up won't really work for the problems she faces. So, conditions effect character. Black windows tactic works with the conditions of a modern world, and kinda points out the flaws in the men she seduces rather than her seducing. The problem is that marvel is trying to appeal more to kids so they gotta water down characters a bit. She's a morally grey character and that's why she's cool. It's not about being more manly because men exist in different conditions. I think if we want to see a more human side to black window, they could maybe show how she feels about her tactic, make her get fed up and lash out because changing the character without confronting the conditioned behavior washes away the humanity.
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  566. Yet more bulshit from the critical drinker. It's not about how we treat the female characters it's about how other characters treat them. In "Edge of Tomorrow" our intro to Rita is hella sexy and is explicitly designed to make us go "damn she's hot". But no characters on-screen would dare refer to her or even talk about her like that. We know the actor is hot, other characters know the character is hot, but it's irrelevant to the plot. In fact, her strength as a character is emphasized by the irrelevance of her beauty to her ability to kick ass.
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  567.  @run4508  Saying "black widows are literally meant to be sexy huhdeduh" is just an impressive lack of historical knowledge. Black widows were just the name for female suicide bombers in the soviet nations (origin Chechen terrorists). Had nothing to do with looks. They were called widows because they more often than not, were the widow of a terrorist.
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  568. I love cassies character. Maybe I haven't seen a lot of movies but I haven't seen a lot of characters with mental problems depicted like she is. Like it's either the sweet anxious/depressed girl or the completely crazy one that's practically a joke. It's good to see a character who's spiralling deeper and deeper beyond help, hurting people around her, unable to break out of her habits even when she wants to. I've had depression too and been there, I want her to get better next season of course but it's sill kind of validating to watch? Weirdly enough. And I don't really mind the ppl who are angry with her, ppl aren't supposed to accommodate u just becuz you're mentally ill. U hv to clean up ur own shiet. And I like how even her family doesn't like her, like that's very real, you really can't expect anything when you're unstable. tbh
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  569.  @sarahsanchez4552  Honestly, I think that all this hate for Cassie is really messy and toxic... The main message of the show is literally " we all make bad decision, but nonetheless we're able to improve ourself. We should be less judicious towards others and ourself". But most people apply this message on everyone but Cassie. We all know Cassie has her fair share of mistakes, but its so overlooked that Nate is a manipulative person, not just with Maddy. We should remember that Cassie was deeply depressed and fragile, she felt empty and lonely, i personally think that Nate took advantage of her vulnerability to forget his feelings. I cant understand how so many people underestimate his influence on Cassie while Maddy has INCRIMINATED an INNOCENT person only to protect Nate. Also, i found the Lesley's play down straight cruel and humiliating to Cassie, because for me it was done with no particular moral intent, but mostly with envy. This is pure slutshaming for me. I think that season 2 was too ipocrite with the initial message and i hate the way Cassie has been represented. The narrative is really too ambiguous with her, because it begans to make her look like a ridiculous villain instead of a more real and complex character. We have all forgive Rue, even though she had ruined her family's life, she used to be manipulative and a liar, because she was obviously hurt. And likewise happens with every other characters. So why people can't even try to empathize a little with what Cassie is going through? This seems kinda misogyny to me...ops
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  570.  @liamwhite1719  Honestly, I think that all this hate for Cassie is really messy and toxic... The main message of the show is literally " we all make bad decision, but nonetheless we're able to improve ourself. We should be less judicious towards others and ourself". But most people apply this message on everyone but Cassie. We all know Cassie has her fair share of mistakes, but its so overlooked that Nate is a manipulative person, not just with Maddy. We should remember that Cassie was deeply depressed and fragile, she felt empty and lonely, i personally think that Nate took advantage of her vulnerability to forget his feelings. I cant understand how so many people underestimate his influence on Cassie while Maddy has INCRIMINATED an INNOCENT person only to protect Nate. Also, i found the Lesley's play down straight cruel and humiliating to Cassie, because for me it was done with no particular moral intent, but mostly with envy. This is pure slutshaming for me. I think that season 2 was too ipocrite with the initial message and i hate the way Cassie has been represented. The narrative is really too ambiguous with her, because it begans to make her look like a ridiculous villain instead of a more real and complex character. We have all forgive Rue, even though she had ruined her family's life, she used to be manipulative and a liar, because she was obviously hurt. And likewise happens with every other characters. So why people can't even try to empathize a little with what Cassie is going through? This seems kinda misogyny to me...ops
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  571. I don't want to excuse Cassie for what she did, but people seem to be so desensitized with Nate and think he's only doing what's expected of him that they end up forgetting that he's the biggest problem here. Realistically, I would react the same way Maddie did, because Cassie broke her trust and if someone you bonded with so much just broke your trust and got with your ex-ABUSIVE boyfriend, that would deeply hurt you, but Nate needs to take responsibility for his actions as well, not just Cassie. He ain't even facing any consequences despite being so much of a jack-ass. He only got beaten once meanwhile Cassie always needs to take blame even before this entire incident. Plus, people seem to forget about Cassie's passion for ice skating. Instead of making season 2 about her trying to find herself after all the heartbreak, regaining her love for ice skating and pursuing it. I know that putting her together with Nate creates more drama, making it more interesting to viewers and that's what they want, but it's also kinda demeaning to Cassie as a person. I'm being way too invested but like I'm just kinda sad, I wanted Cassie to grow but her world only fell apart, and yes she did questionable things in the past, I don't excuse any of her wrongdoings but the point is wanting to see her grow and since she's literally just a character so I believe they could have molded her differently. Also like someone said, her true love doesn't have to be a man, it could be anyone, it doesn't have to be romantic. As long as it helps her grow and uplifts her, helps her become a better person, then that's who you can consider her true love. It's so sad to see Maddie and Cassie pitted against each other; "Bitch you're my soulmate"😭😭😭
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  572. We don't have to vindicate the Other Woman in an attempt to de-villainise her. The Other Woman is a complex figure, and that's a good thing! It can be interesting to delve into exactly why she feels compelled to go after a married man. She could be used to reflect the patriarchal impulse to be "superior" to another woman by catering to a man's desires, she could be used to deconstruct the notion that women are automatically self-sacrificing romantics and (*gasp!*) can be selfish; in short, privileging her perspective is an opportunity to represent a real, flawed human being. But let's not make her into an angel... because no one is. 'Waitress' offers a good example of the Other Woman as a nuanced figure. Dr Pommater is in a relatively happy marriage (from the little we see of his wife there is nothing abusive about her), yet he cheats with the film/musical's protagonist, Jenna. Jenna is in an abusive relationship and has been stifled by her man-child husband and aborted ambitions - and the affair is a meaningful way of reclaiming her agency. But both the film and the musical show Jenna agonising over the affair and her acceptance that it is hurtful to Dr Pommater's wife even if it helped Jenna fight back against her abuser and get through an unplanned pregnancy. And that's life - women are not manipulative one-dimensional femme fatales vying for a married man out of nothing but sadism, they are people who should not be villified even if they are not absolved.
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  573. I think what this analysis is missing is the impact having only one woman on screen in these movies has. One girl with one archetype and personality and appearance and that comes to fill the spot for every female, and she cant fit every role. If there were more female characters on screen that have a variety of fighting styles (DONE WELL) i think itd be more satisfying for everyone. Nothing wrong with Scar Jo being a sexy fem fatal type, it looks cool, but making that the only representation doesnt work well for everyone. Spiderman and thor dont have the same appeal you know
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  574. I don't want to excuse Cassie for what she did, but people seem to be so desensitized with Nate and think he's only doing what's expected of him that they end up forgetting that he's the biggest problem here. Realistically, I would react the same way Maddie did, because Cassie broke her trust and if someone you bonded with so much just broke your trust and got with your ex-ABUSIVE boyfriend, that would deeply hurt you, but Nate needs to take responsibility for his actions as well, not just Cassie. He ain't even facing any consequences despite being so much of a jack-ass. He only got beaten once meanwhile Cassie always needs to take blame even before this entire incident. Plus, people seem to forget about Cassie's passion for ice skating. Instead of making season 2 about her trying to find herself after all the heartbreak, regaining her love for ice skating and pursuing it. I know that putting her together with Nate creates more drama, making it more interesting to viewers and that's what they want, but it's also kinda demeaning to Cassie as a person. I'm being way too invested but like I'm just kinda sad, I wanted Cassie to grow but her world only fell apart, and yes she did questionable things in the past, I don't excuse any of her wrongdoings but the point is wanting to see her grow and since she's literally just a character so I believe they could have molded her differently. Also like someone said, her true love doesn't have to be a man, it could be anyone, it doesn't have to be romantic. As long as it helps her grow and uplifts her, helps her become a better person, then that's who you can consider her true love. It's so sad to see Maddie and Cassie pitted against each other; "Bitch you're my soulmate"😭😭😭
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  575.  @Dino-in5sg  I love cassies character. Maybe I haven't seen a lot of movies but I haven't seen a lot of characters with mental problems depicted like she is. Like it's either the sweet anxious/depressed girl or the completely crazy one that's practically a joke. It's good to see a character who's spiralling deeper and deeper beyond help, hurting people around her, unable to break out of her habits even when she wants to. I've had depression too and been there, I want her to get better next season of course but it's sill kind of validating to watch? Weirdly enough. And I don't really mind the ppl who are angry with her, ppl aren't supposed to accommodate u just becuz you're mentally ill. U hv to clean up ur own shiet. And I like how even her family doesn't like her, like that's very real, you really can't expext anything when you're unstable.
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  576. I love cassies character. Maybe I haven't seen a lot of movies but I haven't seen a lot of characters with mental problems depicted like she is. Like it's either the sweet anxious/depressed girl or the completely crazy one that's practically a joke. It's good to see a character who's spiralling deeper and deeper beyond help, hurting people around her, unable to break out of her habits even when she wants to. I've had depression too and been there, I want her to get better next season of course but it's sill kind of validating to watch? Weirdly enough. And I don't really mind the ppl who are angry with her, ppl aren't supposed to accommodate u just becuz you're mentally ill. U hv to clean up ur own shiet. And I like how even her family doesn't like her, like that's very real, you really can't expext anything when you're unstable. tbh
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  577. I love cassies character. Maybe I haven't seen a lot of movies but I haven't seen a lot of characters with mental problems depicted like she is. Like it's either the sweet anxious/depressed girl or the completely crazy one that's practically a joke. It's good to see a character who's spiralling deeper and deeper beyond help, hurting people around her, unable to break out of her habits even when she wants to. I've had depression too and been there, I want her to get better next season of course but it's sill kind of validating to watch? Weirdly enough. And I don't really mind the ppl who are angry with her, ppl aren't supposed to accommodate u just becuz you're mentally ill. U hv to clean up ur own shiet. And I like how even her family doesn't like her, like that's very real, you really can't expect anything when you're unstable. tbh
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  578. I love cassies character. Maybe I haven't seen a lot of movies but I haven't seen a lot of characters with mental problems depicted like she is. Like it's either the sweet anxious/depressed girl or the completely crazy one that's practically a joke. It's good to see a character who's spiralling deeper and deeper beyond help, hurting people around her, unable to break out of her habits even when she wants to. I've had depression too and been there, I want her to get better next season of course but it's sill kind of validating to watch? Weirdly enough. And I don't really mind the ppl who are angry with her, ppl aren't supposed to accommodate u just becuz you're mentally ill. U hv to clean up ur own shiet. And I like how even her family doesn't like her, like that's very real, you really can't expext anything when you're unstable. tbh
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  579. Honestly, I think that all this hate for Cassie is really messy and toxic... The main message of the show is literally " we all make bad decision, but nonetheless we're able to improve ourself. We should be less judicious towards others and ourself". But most people apply this message on everyone but Cassie. We all know Cassie has her fair share of mistakes, but its so overlooked that Nate is a manipulative person, not just with Maddy. We should remember that Cassie was deeply depressed and fragile, she felt empty and lonely, i personally think that Nate took advantage of her vulnerability to forget his feelings. I cant understand how so many people underestimate his influence on Cassie while Maddy has INCRIMINATED an INNOCENT person only to protect Nate. Also, i found the Lesley's play down straight cruel and humiliating to Cassie, because for me it was done with no particular moral intent, but mostly with envy. This is pure slutshaming for me. I think that season 2 was too ipocrite with the initial message and i hate the way Cassie has been represented. The narrative is really too ambiguous with her, because it begans to make her look like a ridiculous villain instead of a more real and complex character. We have all forgive Rue, even though she had ruined her family's life, she used to be manipulative and a liar, because she was obviously hurt. And likewise happens with every other characters. So why people can't even try to empathize a little with what Cassie is going through? This seems kinda misogyny to me...ops
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  580. I grew up around addiction, and experience my own, so Rue is a very relatable character for me. That being said, I started developing in fourth grade. I understand Cassie so well, because one day people just stopped treating me like a kid. They just commented on my physical appearance and made suggestive comments. I was never mad at her… I just felt so bad for her. Her routine of getting up early to beautify for Nate was tragic enough, without him ignoring her every single time. She’s not a bad person, but she doesn’t know how to be of value any other way because nobody gave her the chance. People don’t tell her she’s kind, or smart, or funny… they talk about her looks. I couldn’t be a teenager today
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  581. I love cassies character. Maybe I haven't seen a lot of movies but I haven't seen a lot of characters with mental problems depicted like she is. Like it's either the sweet anxious/depressed girl or the completely crazy one that's practically a joke. It's good to see a character who's spiralling deeper and deeper beyond help, hurting people around her, unable to break out of her habits even when she wants to. I've had depression too and been there, I want her to get better next season of course but it's sill kind of validating to watch? Weirdly enough. And I don't really mind the ppl who are angry with her, ppl aren't supposed to accommodate u just becuz you're mentally ill. U hv to clean up ur own shiet. And I like how even her family doesn't like her, like that's very real, you really can't expect anything when you're unstable. tbh
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  582. Honestly, I think that all this hate for Cassie is really messy and toxic... The main message of the show is literally " we all make bad decision, but nonetheless we're able to improve ourself. We should be less judicious towards others and ourself". But most people apply this message on everyone but Cassie. We all know Cassie has her fair share of mistakes, but its so overlooked that Nate is a manipulative person, not just with Maddy. We should remember that Cassie was deeply depressed and fragile, she felt empty and lonely, i personally think that Nate took advantage of her vulnerability to forget his feelings. I cant understand how so many people underestimate his influence on Cassie while Maddy has INCRIMINATED an INNOCENT person only to protect Nate. Also, i found the Lesley's play down straight cruel and humiliating to Cassie, because for me it was done with no particular moral intent, but mostly with envy. This is pure slutshaming for me. I think that season 2 was too ipocrite with the initial message and i hate the way Cassie has been represented. The narrative is really too ambiguous with her, because it begans to make her look like a ridiculous villain instead of a more real and complex character. We have all forgive Rue, even though she had ruined her family's life, she used to be manipulative and a liar, because she was obviously hurt. And likewise happens with every other characters. So why people can't even try to empathize a little with what Cassie is going through? This seems kinda misogyny to me...ops
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  583. I love cassies character. Maybe I haven't seen a lot of movies but I haven't seen a lot of characters with mental problems depicted like she is. Like it's either the sweet anxious/depressed girl or the completely crazy one that's practically a joke. It's good to see a character who's spiralling deeper and deeper beyond help, hurting people around her, unable to break out of her habits even when she wants to. I've had depression too and been there, I want her to get better next season of course but it's sill kind of validating to watch? Weirdly enough. And I don't really mind the ppl who are angry with her, ppl aren't supposed to accommodate u just becuz you're mentally ill. U hv to clean up ur own shiet. And I like how even her family doesn't like her, like that's very real, you really can't expext anything when you're unstable. tbh
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  584. Btw, whats your opinion on Jenny from Forrest Gump as a character ? She is also a flawed female character that get hated a lot for the way she treated Forrest, but Idc what anybody says, Jenny is my favorite character because i can empathize with her due to her upbringing, there is more to her than meets the eye, same goes for character like her, Bojack Horseman, you can find their actions intolerable and still empathize with them, abusive upbringing can damage a person's mind drastically.
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  585. I love cassies character. Maybe I haven't seen a lot of movies but I haven't seen a lot of characters with mental problems depicted like she is. Like it's either the sweet anxious/depressed girl or the completely crazy one that's practically a joke. It's good to see a character who's spiralling deeper and deeper beyond help, hurting people around her, unable to break out of her habits even when she wants to. I've had depression too and been there, I want her to get better next season of course but it's sill kind of validating to watch? Weirdly enough. And I don't really mind the ppl who are angry with her, ppl aren't supposed to accommodate u just becuz you're mentally ill. U hv to clean up ur own shiet. And I like how even her family doesn't like her, like that's very real, you really can't expext anything when you're unstable.
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  586. @Lyba 🦋 I guess that I'm the weirdo that I don't care about her body count, but she can't ask me what I did in my past if I can't ask her about it, I'm pretty sure that my body count will be much higher than her anyway. I even had a striptease dancer as a girlfriend, she did go home with me, not with anyone else and that girl was better than the normal girlfriends that I've had, much sweeter, much more woman like, she treated me like a king and that felt pretty nice to be wanted like that. When you ask a woman about her ex, it sends the wrong vibes to her... I never ask about that and I don't want to know any of it and I couldn't care less about her past, but if she ever wants to tell me anything about her past I need her to be completely honest about it, never lie about it because that means I'll show her the door and have her stuff packed for her and put her on the street. I just don't tolerate people lying to me, I'll end the relationship, friendship with anyone who lies to me in an instant, she needs to be able to handle my brutal honesty too, for example if she asks me if her pants make her butt look big or whatever and that's the case then expect an answer you're not going to like very much because I'll tell her and don't even think about it anymore. Or I just start laughing and make a joke about it and leave her with that thought, then I know she's never going to ask me that question again. lol
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  587. @Lyba 🦋 i agree 100 % with what you said, promiscuity indicates lack of self control regardless of genders, maybe its just me being a weirdo that i dont care about body counts lol, and STDS too.I say this, I have met women who have had multiple sexual partners, have repented of their past behavior and make excellent mothers and wives. I have also met women who have married as virgins and become bitter, callus, and unfaithful in their marriages. Personally, my marriage ended from a woman who was unfaithful to me and we did it “the right way.” I am not saying multiple partner women or virgins are better, but I am saying see where she is at now. Where is her mind at now. What does she think of her past now. These things matter more holistically.
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  588. I love cassies character. Maybe I haven't seen a lot of movies but I haven't seen a lot of characters with mental problems depicted like she is. Like it's either the sweet anxious/depressed girl or the completely crazy one that's practically a joke. It's good to see a character who's spiralling deeper and deeper beyond help, hurting people around her, unable to break out of her habits even when she wants to. I've had depression too and been there, I want her to get better next season of course but it's sill kind of validating to watch? Weirdly enough. And I don't really mind the ppl who are angry with her, ppl aren't supposed to accommodate u just becuz you're mentally ill. U hv to clean up ur own shiet. And I like how even her family doesn't like her, like that's very real, you really can't expext anything when you're unstable. tbh
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  589.  @affentat8723  Some comments make me wonder what would they say if instead of a daughter, it was a son. Even this father, like, if he had a son who is a pronstar, would he be in this video? I've read a lot of people talking about how ashamed female pronstars should be, but when it comes to male, it's totally different, i've even seen people joking about how every men's dream job is to become a pronstar from age 13. Imo, both can be good or bad, of course, it is more common to have women being degraded in pron videos, even if it is a vanilla one, but i'm sure that there are bad sides for any gender. At least, there are people trying to change this scenario, maybe one day people will stop saying so many bad things about women who want to and work as pronstars, and just think that they chose this job, because they like it.
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  590. I'm a Singaporean, i can tell u what my friends says that if u are single, u wish you are married. But when u are married, u wish u were single again. The grass is always greener on the other side
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  591. When a woman is still single, it doesn’t mean she is a loser or not liked. Some of them just want to work on their career and whatever they like and they do not prioritize relationship yet. Some just don’t care because they haven’t met the person they like, they have high standards. Tbh, it is better to work on yourself and you’ll meet the right person at the right time. Sometimes the people that rush in relationships just because of peer pressure or they like the thought of love are miserable. Like some of those who get married. They get married because they like the thought of it, the wedding, not being a “loser” before they pass the age 30, etc but in reality, as times passes by they cannot accept the cons in marriage. They can end up fighting, divorce, etc. It’s good not to rush in being in a relationship. Work on yourself and everything will fall in place. :) Don’t let others pressure you. They’re not the one who will live your life. I noticed most people I know get pressured easily and are afraid to not be in a relationship. When someone is beautiful, people will say, “oh she has high standards so she might be single forever. “ If the girl is not that good looking according to their beauty standard, they will say,”not pretty…no guy will like her.” Most people will have unsolicited advices. So I hope you do not live by what they say. Be in a relationship to be HAPPIER. not to be happy but HAPPIER. :)
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  592. i agree
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  593. I love cassies character. Maybe I haven't seen a lot of movies but I haven't seen a lot of characters with mental problems depicted like she is. Like it's either the sweet anxious/depressed girl or the completely crazy one that's practically a joke. It's good to see a character who's spiralling deeper and deeper beyond help, hurting people around her, unable to break out of her habits even when she wants to. I've had depression too and been there, I want her to get better next season of course but it's sill kind of validating to watch? Weirdly enough. And I don't really mind the ppl who are angry with her, ppl aren't supposed to accommodate u just becuz you're mentally ill. U hv to clean up ur own shiet. And I like how even her family doesn't like her, like that's very real, you really can't expext anything when you're unstable.
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  594. I love cassies character. Maybe I haven't seen a lot of movies but I haven't seen a lot of characters with mental problems depicted like she is. Like it's either the sweet anxious/depressed girl or the completely crazy one that's practically a joke. It's good to see a character who's spiralling deeper and deeper beyond help, hurting people around her, unable to break out of her habits even when she wants to. I've had depression too and been there, I want her to get better next season of course but it's sill kind of validating to watch? Weirdly enough. And I don't really mind the ppl who are angry with her, ppl aren't supposed to accommodate u just becuz you're mentally ill. U hv to clean up ur own shiet. And I like how even her family doesn't like her, like that's very real, you really can't expext anything when you're unstable.
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  595. I love cassies character. Maybe I haven't seen a lot of movies but I haven't seen a lot of characters with mental problems depicted like she is. Like it's either the sweet anxious/depressed girl or the completely crazy one that's practically a joke. It's good to see a character who's spiralling deeper and deeper beyond help, hurting people around her, unable to break out of her habits even when she wants to. I've had depression too and been there, I want her to get better next season of course but it's sill kind of validating to watch? Weirdly enough. And I don't really mind the ppl who are angry with her, ppl aren't supposed to accommodate u just becuz you're mentally ill. U hv to clean up ur own shiet. And I like how even her family doesn't like her, like that's very real, you really can't expect anything when you're unstable. tbh
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  596. We don't have to vindicate the Other Woman in an attempt to de-villainise her. The Other Woman is a complex figure, and that's a good thing! It can be interesting to delve into exactly why she feels compelled to go after a married man. She could be used to reflect the patriarchal impulse to be "superior" to another woman by catering to a man's desires, she could be used to deconstruct the notion that women are automatically self-sacrificing romantics and (*gasp!*) can be selfish; in short, privileging her perspective is an opportunity to represent a real, flawed human being. But let's not make her into an angel... because no one is. 'Waitress' offers a good example of the Other Woman as a nuanced figure. Dr Pommater is in a relatively happy marriage (from the little we see of his wife there is nothing abusive about her), yet he cheats with the film/musical's protagonist, Jenna. Jenna is in an abusive relationship and has been stifled by her man-child husband and aborted ambitions - and the affair is a meaningful way of reclaiming her agency. But both the film and the musical show Jenna agonising over the affair and her acceptance that it is hurtful to Dr Pommater's wife even if it helped Jenna fight back against her abuser and get through an unplanned pregnancy. And that's life - women are not manipulative one-dimensional femme fatales vying for a married man out of nothing but sadism, they are people who should not be villified even if they are not absolved.
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  597. Honestly, I think that all this hate for Cassie is really messy and toxic... The main message of the show is literally " we all make bad decision, but nonetheless we're able to improve ourself. We should be less judicious towards others and ourself". But most people apply this message on everyone but Cassie. We all know Cassie has her fair share of mistakes, but its so overlooked that Nate is a manipulative person, not just with Maddy. We should remember that Cassie was deeply depressed and fragile, she felt empty and lonely, i personally think that Nate took advantage of her vulnerability to forget his feelings. I cant understand how so many people underestimate his influence on Cassie while Maddy has INCRIMINATED an INNOCENT person only to protect Nate. Also, i found the Lesley's play down straight cruel and humiliating to Cassie, because for me it was done with no particular moral intent, but mostly with envy. This is pure slutshaming for me. I think that season 2 was too ipocrite with the initial message and i hate the way Cassie has been represented. The narrative is really too ambiguous with her, because it begans to make her look like a ridiculous villain instead of a more real and complex character. We have all forgive Rue, even though she had ruined her family's life, she used to be manipulative and a liar, because she was obviously hurt. And likewise happens with every other characters. So why people can't even try to empathize a little with what Cassie is going through? This seems kinda misogyny to me...ops
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  598.  @Dragonage2ftw  I think the argument is too black and white. Either its all female voodoo or a girly with an apes bod. Women don't need muscle to be strong, but they need more than a body to be a good character. I think Arcane does a spectacular job at writing women who are people before their gender. For instance the punching Powerhouse Vi, who beats the shit out of people. She punches before she thinks, but thats not because she's an angry feminist... she grew up in an environment where you had to fight to survive. Plus, she was in charge of her ragtag siblings, prepped to be a leader by her adoptive father. The difference is that seducing people and then beating them up won't really work for the problems she faces. So, conditions effect character. Black windows tactic works with the conditions of a modern world, and kinda points out the flaws in the men she seduces rather than her seducing. The problem is that marvel is trying to appeal more to kids so they gotta water down characters a bit. She's a morally grey character and that's why she's cool. It's not about being more manly because men exist in different conditions. I think if we want to see a more human side to black window, they could maybe show how she feels about her tactic, make her get fed up and lash out because changing the character without confronting the conditioned behavior washes away the humanity.
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  599. I love cassies character. Maybe I haven't seen a lot of movies but I haven't seen a lot of characters with mental problems depicted like she is. Like it's either the sweet anxious/depressed girl or the completely crazy one that's practically a joke. It's good to see a character who's spiralling deeper and deeper beyond help, hurting people around her, unable to break out of her habits even when she wants to. I've had depression too and been there, I want her to get better next season of course but it's sill kind of validating to watch? Weirdly enough. And I don't really mind the ppl who are angry with her, ppl aren't supposed to accommodate u just becuz you're mentally ill. U hv to clean up ur own shiet. And I like how even her family doesn't like her, like that's very real, you really can't expext anything when you're unstable.
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  600. Honestly, I think that all this hate for Cassie is really messy and toxic... The main message of the show is literally " we all make bad decision, but nonetheless we're able to improve ourself. We should be less judicious towards others and ourself". But most people apply this message on everyone but Cassie. We all know Cassie has her fair share of mistakes, but its so overlooked that Nate is a manipulative person, not just with Maddy. We should remember that Cassie was deeply depressed and fragile, she felt empty and lonely, i personally think that Nate took advantage of her vulnerability to forget his feelings. I cant understand how so many people underestimate his influence on Cassie while Maddy has INCRIMINATED an INNOCENT person only to protect Nate. Also, i found the Lesley's play down straight cruel and humiliating to Cassie, because for me it was done with no particular moral intent, but mostly with envy. This is pure slutshaming for me. I think that season 2 was too ipocrite with the initial message and i hate the way Cassie has been represented. The narrative is really too ambiguous with her, because it begans to make her look like a ridiculous villain instead of a more real and complex character. We have all forgive Rue, even though she had ruined her family's life, she used to be manipulative and a liar, because she was obviously hurt. And likewise happens with every other characters. So why people can't even try to empathize a little with what Cassie is going through? This seems kinda misogyny to me...ops
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  601. very job has its own risks and enjoyment. They too enjoy their porn careers instead of doing it out of desperation and as an easy way to earn money, times have changed, and people are getting more open-minded because they see porn as an art. There are also pornstars who plan an exit strategy even before they apply to a porn company. they get in and make huge bucks for 2 or 3 years (insane amounts of cash). then they move on with their lives. needless to say, they must be studying in colleges or doing something else alongside instead of just porn. many strippers and hustlers follow this exit strategy plan also. More than anything. Pornstars are people who for their passion have survived the criticism of the whole world. They went to follow their passion which gave them more satisfaction. There is also a huge online market of porn industries so why should they be ashamed of entering into that if that gives them satisfaction and money. I beg to differ with all people who oppose porn that you should really not watch it if you do not want to but the whole world is out there at night to watch. How are you going to control them? Thank you for reading.
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  602. Honestly, I think that all this hate for Cassie is really messy and toxic... The main message of the show is literally " we all make bad decision, but nonetheless we're able to improve ourself. We should be less judicious towards others and ourself". But most people apply this message on everyone but Cassie. We all know Cassie has her fair share of mistakes, but its so overlooked that Nate is a manipulative person, not just with Maddy. We should remember that Cassie was deeply depressed and fragile, she felt empty and lonely, i personally think that Nate took advantage of her vulnerability to forget his feelings. I cant understand how so many people underestimate his influence on Cassie while Maddy has INCRIMINATED an INNOCENT person only to protect Nate. Also, i found the Lesley's play down straight cruel and humiliating to Cassie, because for me it was done with no particular moral intent, but mostly with envy. This is pure slutshaming for me. I think that season 2 was too ipocrite with the initial message and i hate the way Cassie has been represented. The narrative is really too ambiguous with her, because it begans to make her look like a ridiculous villain instead of a more real and complex character. We have all forgive Rue, even though she had ruined her family's life, she used to be manipulative and a liar, because she was obviously hurt. And likewise happens with every other characters. So why people can't even try to empathize a little with what Cassie is going through? This seems kinda misogyny to me...ops
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  603. I love cassies character. Maybe I haven't seen a lot of movies but I haven't seen a lot of characters with mental problems depicted like she is. Like it's either the sweet anxious/depressed girl or the completely crazy one that's practically a joke. It's good to see a character who's spiralling deeper and deeper beyond help, hurting people around her, unable to break out of her habits even when she wants to. I've had depression too and been there, I want her to get better next season of course but it's sill kind of validating to watch? Weirdly enough. And I don't really mind the ppl who are angry with her, ppl aren't supposed to accommodate u just becuz you're mentally ill. U hv to clean up ur own shiet. And I like how even her family doesn't like her, like that's very real, you really can't expext anything when you're unstable.
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  604. I love cassies character. Maybe I haven't seen a lot of movies but I haven't seen a lot of characters with mental problems depicted like she is. Like it's either the sweet anxious/depressed girl or the completely crazy one that's practically a joke. It's good to see a character who's spiralling deeper and deeper beyond help, hurting people around her, unable to break out of her habits even when she wants to. I've had depression too and been there, I want her to get better next season of course but it's sill kind of validating to watch? Weirdly enough. And I don't really mind the ppl who are angry with her, ppl aren't supposed to accommodate u just becuz you're mentally ill. U hv to clean up ur own shiet. And I like how even her family doesn't like her, like that's very real, you really can't expext anything when you're unstable.
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  605. I love cassies character. Maybe I haven't seen a lot of movies but I haven't seen a lot of characters with mental problems depicted like she is. Like it's either the sweet anxious/depressed girl or the completely crazy one that's practically a joke. It's good to see a character who's spiralling deeper and deeper beyond help, hurting people around her, unable to break out of her habits even when she wants to. I've had depression too and been there, I want her to get better next season of course but it's sill kind of validating to watch? Weirdly enough. And I don't really mind the ppl who are angry with her, ppl aren't supposed to accommodate u just becuz you're mentally ill. U hv to clean up ur own shiet. And I like how even her family doesn't like her, like that's very real, you really can't expect anything when you're unstable. tbh
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  606. i'm glad for you girl, there are faithful men out there, not all men cheat like some of these comments try to imply
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  607. Honestly, I think that all this hate for Cassie is really messy and toxic... The main message of the show is literally " we all make bad decision, but nonetheless we're able to improve ourself. We should be less judicious towards others and ourself". But most people apply this message on everyone but Cassie. We all know Cassie has her fair share of mistakes, but its so overlooked that Nate is a manipulative person, not just with Maddy. We should remember that Cassie was deeply depressed and fragile, she felt empty and lonely, i personally think that Nate took advantage of her vulnerability to forget his feelings. I cant understand how so many people underestimate his influence on Cassie while Maddy has INCRIMINATED an INNOCENT person only to protect Nate. Also, i found the Lesley's play down straight cruel and humiliating to Cassie, because for me it was done with no particular moral intent, but mostly with envy. This is pure slutshaming for me. I think that season 2 was too ipocrite with the initial message and i hate the way Cassie has been represented. The narrative is really too ambiguous with her, because it begans to make her look like a ridiculous villain instead of a more real and complex character. We have all forgive Rue, even though she had ruined her family's life, she used to be manipulative and a liar, because she was obviously hurt. And likewise happens with every other characters. So why people can't even try to empathize a little with what Cassie is going through? This seems kinda misogyny to me...ops
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  608.  @Dynamatrix2000  Some comments make me wonder what would they say if instead of a daughter, it was a son. Even this father, like, if he had a son who is a pronstar, would he be in this video? I've read a lot of people talking about how ashamed female pronstars should be, but when it comes to male, it's totally different, i've even seen people joking about how every men's dream job is to become a pronstar from age 13. Imo, both can be good or bad, of course, it is more common to have women being degraded in pron videos, even if it is a vanilla one, but i'm sure that there are bad sides for any gender. At least, there are people trying to change this scenario, maybe one day people will stop saying so many bad things about women who want to and work as pronstars, and just think that they chose this job, because they like it.
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  609.  @numptynoonoos  Some comments make me wonder what would they say if instead of a daughter, it was a son. Even this father, like, if he had a son who is a pronstar, would he be in this video? I've read a lot of people talking about how ashamed female pronstars should be, but when it comes to male, it's totally different, i've even seen people joking about how every men's dream job is to become a pronstar from age 13. Imo, both can be good or bad, of course, it is more common to have women being degraded in pron videos, even if it is a vanilla one, but i'm sure that there are bad sides for any gender. At least, there are people trying to change this scenario, maybe one day people will stop saying so many bad things about women who want to and work as pronstars, and just think that they chose this job, because they like it.
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  610.  @hitosyura  Some comments make me wonder what would they say if instead of a daughter, it was a son. Even this father, like, if he had a son who is a pronstar, would he be in this video? I've read a lot of people talking about how ashamed female pronstars should be, but when it comes to male, it's totally different, i've even seen people joking about how every men's dream job is to become a pronstar from age 13. Imo, both can be good or bad, of course, it is more common to have women being degraded in pron videos, even if it is a vanilla one, but i'm sure that there are bad sides for any gender. At least, there are people trying to change this scenario, maybe one day people will stop saying so many bad things about women who want to and work as pronstars, and just think that they chose this job, because they like it.
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  611.  @MaxSujyReact  Some comments make me wonder what would they say if instead of a daughter, it was a son. Even this father, like, if he had a son who is a pronstar, would he be in this video? I've read a lot of people talking about how ashamed female pronstars should be, but when it comes to male, it's totally different, i've even seen people joking about how every men's dream job is to become a pronstar from age 13. Imo, both can be good or bad, of course, it is more common to have women being degraded in pron videos, even if it is a vanilla one, but i'm sure that there are bad sides for any gender. At least, there are people trying to change this scenario, maybe one day people will stop saying so many bad things about women who want to and work as pronstars, and just think that they chose this job, because they like it.
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  612.  @notoriousresearcher  Let me go against the grain here with regards to the popular opinion in the comment section. There is nothing degrading about being a sex worker, sex work does not make you a lesser person or less educated and while you might end up being on the internet forever, as long as society doesn't judge you, that shouldn't be a big deal. Would I want my child (daughter OR SON) doing this stuff? No. Why? I don't trust some of the higher ups in these industries. Some of these people are shady and treat women particularly like crap. But that could improve and has made significant progress as more women started to take control. My second main reason is the misogyny my daughter would face by both men AND women (including Feminists) for simply recording and distributing something that most people do. Some of these women, maybe not in Japan but in America and Europe, make ridiculous amounts of money by simply showing the physical intimacy I their monogamous relationship between themselves and their partner. They're doing the same things they'd do, just recording and distributing it for tens of thousands to hundreds of thousands of dollars. Why does this affect them with regards to how they are perceived? Why should this affect them with regards to getting a job or running for office? How are they inherently bad people because they filmed themselves f*ck?
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  613.  @DBtheGhost2  dont worry about it, you summed up perfectly how most, if not all, industries treat their employees, its likely due to capitalism tbh
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  614.  @AkaniApex  Let me go against the grain here with regards to the popular opinion in the comment section. There is nothing degrading about being a sex worker, sex work does not make you a lesser person or less educated and while you might end up being on the internet forever, as long as society doesn't judge you, that shouldn't be a big deal. Would I want my child (daughter OR SON) doing this stuff? No. Why? I don't trust some of the higher ups in these industries. Some of these people are shady and treat women particularly like crap. But that could improve and has made significant progress as more women started to take control. My second main reason is the misogyny my daughter would face by both men AND women (including Feminists) for simply recording and distributing something that most people do. Some of these women, maybe not in Japan but in America and Europe, make ridiculous amounts of money by simply showing the physical intimacy I their monogamous relationship between themselves and their partner. They're doing the same things they'd do, just recording and distributing it for tens of thousands to hundreds of thousands of dollars. Why does this affect them with regards to how they are perceived? Why should this affect them with regards to getting a job or running for office? How are they inherently bad people because they filmed themselves f*ck?
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  615.  @angelbondice5216  Let me go against the grain here with regards to the popular opinion in the comment section. There is nothing degrading about being a sex worker, sex work does not make you a lesser person or less educated and while you might end up being on the internet forever, as long as society doesn't judge you, that shouldn't be a big deal. Would I want my child (daughter OR SON) doing this stuff? No. Why? I don't trust some of the higher ups in these industries. Some of these people are shady and treat women particularly like crap. But that could improve and has made significant progress as more women started to take control. My second main reason is the misogyny my daughter would face by both men AND women (including Feminists) for simply recording and distributing something that most people do. Some of these women, maybe not in Japan but in America and Europe, make ridiculous amounts of money by simply showing the physical intimacy I their monogamous relationship between themselves and their partner. They're doing the same things they'd do, just recording and distributing it for tens of thousands to hundreds of thousands of dollars. Why does this affect them with regards to how they are perceived? Why should this affect them with regards to getting a job or running for office? How are they inherently bad people because they filmed themselves f*ck?
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  616.  @giulsLia  Let me go against the grain here with regards to the popular opinion in the comment section. There is nothing degrading about being a sex worker, sex work does not make you a lesser person or less educated and while you might end up being on the internet forever, as long as society doesn't judge you, that shouldn't be a big deal. Would I want my child (daughter OR SON) doing this stuff? No. Why? I don't trust some of the higher ups in these industries. Some of these people are shady and treat women particularly like crap. But that could improve and has made significant progress as more women started to take control. My second main reason is the misogyny my daughter would face by both men AND women (including Feminists) for simply recording and distributing something that most people do. Some of these women, maybe not in Japan but in America and Europe, make ridiculous amounts of money by simply showing the physical intimacy I their monogamous relationship between themselves and their partner. They're doing the same things they'd do, just recording and distributing it for tens of thousands to hundreds of thousands of dollars. Why does this affect them with regards to how they are perceived? Why should this affect them with regards to getting a job or running for office? How are they inherently bad people because they filmed themselves f*ck?
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  617.  @yungcunt1717  Let me go against the grain here with regards to the popular opinion in the comment section. There is nothing degrading about being a sex worker, sex work does not make you a lesser person or less educated and while you might end up being on the internet forever, as long as society doesn't judge you, that shouldn't be a big deal. Would I want my child (daughter OR SON) doing this stuff? No. Why? I don't trust some of the higher ups in these industries. Some of these people are shady and treat women particularly like crap. But that could improve and has made significant progress as more women started to take control. My second main reason is the misogyny my daughter would face by both men AND women (including Feminists) for simply recording and distributing something that most people do. Some of these women, maybe not in Japan but in America and Europe, make ridiculous amounts of money by simply showing the physical intimacy I their monogamous relationship between themselves and their partner. They're doing the same things they'd do, just recording and distributing it for tens of thousands to hundreds of thousands of dollars. Why does this affect them with regards to how they are perceived? Why should this affect them with regards to getting a job or running for office? How are they inherently bad people because they filmed themselves f*ck?
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  618.  @MsNikitaVOD  Let me go against the grain here with regards to the popular opinion in the comment section. There is nothing degrading about being a sex worker, sex work does not make you a lesser person or less educated and while you might end up being on the internet forever, as long as society doesn't judge you, that shouldn't be a big deal. Would I want my child (daughter OR SON) doing this stuff? No. Why? I don't trust some of the higher ups in these industries. Some of these people are shady and treat women particularly like crap. But that could improve and has made significant progress as more women started to take control. My second main reason is the misogyny my daughter would face by both men AND women (including Feminists) for simply recording and distributing something that most people do. Some of these women, maybe not in Japan but in America and Europe, make ridiculous amounts of money by simply showing the physical intimacy I their monogamous relationship between themselves and their partner. They're doing the same things they'd do, just recording and distributing it for tens of thousands to hundreds of thousands of dollars. Why does this affect them with regards to how they are perceived? Why should this affect them with regards to getting a job or running for office? How are they inherently bad people because they filmed themselves f*ck?
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  619.  @bobr2837  Let me go against the grain here with regards to the popular opinion in the comment section. There is nothing degrading about being a sex worker, sex work does not make you a lesser person or less educated and while you might end up being on the internet forever, as long as society doesn't judge you, that shouldn't be a big deal. Would I want my child (daughter OR SON) doing this stuff? No. Why? I don't trust some of the higher ups in these industries. Some of these people are shady and treat women particularly like crap. But that could improve and has made significant progress as more women started to take control. My second main reason is the misogyny my daughter would face by both men AND women (including Feminists) for simply recording and distributing something that most people do. Some of these women, maybe not in Japan but in America and Europe, make ridiculous amounts of money by simply showing the physical intimacy I their monogamous relationship between themselves and their partner. They're doing the same things they'd do, just recording and distributing it for tens of thousands to hundreds of thousands of dollars. Why does this affect them with regards to how they are perceived? Why should this affect them with regards to getting a job or running for office? How are they inherently bad people because they filmed themselves f*ck?
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  620.  @renro4435  Let me go against the grain here with regards to the popular opinion in the comment section. There is nothing degrading about being a sex worker, sex work does not make you a lesser person or less educated and while you might end up being on the internet forever, as long as society doesn't judge you, that shouldn't be a big deal. Would I want my child (daughter OR SON) doing this stuff? No. Why? I don't trust some of the higher ups in these industries. Some of these people are shady and treat women particularly like crap. But that could improve and has made significant progress as more women started to take control. My second main reason is the misogyny my daughter would face by both men AND women (including Feminists) for simply recording and distributing something that most people do. Some of these women, maybe not in Japan but in America and Europe, make ridiculous amounts of money by simply showing the physical intimacy I their monogamous relationship between themselves and their partner. They're doing the same things they'd do, just recording and distributing it for tens of thousands to hundreds of thousands of dollars. Why does this affect them with regards to how they are perceived? Why should this affect them with regards to getting a job or running for office? How are they inherently bad people because they filmed themselves f*ck?
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  621.  @numptynoonoos  Let me go against the grain here with regards to the popular opinion in the comment section. There is nothing degrading about being a sex worker, sex work does not make you a lesser person or less educated and while you might end up being on the internet forever, as long as society doesn't judge you, that shouldn't be a big deal. Would I want my child (daughter OR SON) doing this stuff? No. Why? I don't trust some of the higher ups in these industries. Some of these people are shady and treat women particularly like crap. But that could improve and has made significant progress as more women started to take control. My second main reason is the misogyny my daughter would face by both men AND women (including Feminists) for simply recording and distributing something that most people do. Some of these women, maybe not in Japan but in America and Europe, make ridiculous amounts of money by simply showing the physical intimacy I their monogamous relationship between themselves and their partner. They're doing the same things they'd do, just recording and distributing it for tens of thousands to hundreds of thousands of dollars. Why does this affect them with regards to how they are perceived? Why should this affect them with regards to getting a job or running for office? How are they inherently bad people because they filmed themselves f*ck?
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  622.  @blureader1164  Let me go against the grain here with regards to the popular opinion in the comment section. There is nothing degrading about being a sex worker, sex work does not make you a lesser person or less educated and while you might end up being on the internet forever, as long as society doesn't judge you, that shouldn't be a big deal. Would I want my child (daughter OR SON) doing this stuff? No. Why? I don't trust some of the higher ups in these industries. Some of these people are shady and treat women particularly like crap. But that could improve and has made significant progress as more women started to take control. My second main reason is the misogyny my daughter would face by both men AND women (including Feminists) for simply recording and distributing something that most people do. Some of these women, maybe not in Japan but in America and Europe, make ridiculous amounts of money by simply showing the physical intimacy I their monogamous relationship between themselves and their partner. They're doing the same things they'd do, just recording and distributing it for tens of thousands to hundreds of thousands of dollars. Why does this affect them with regards to how they are perceived? Why should this affect them with regards to getting a job or running for office? How are they inherently bad people because they filmed themselves f*ck?
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  623.  @catsup27  Let me go against the grain here with regards to the popular opinion in the comment section. There is nothing degrading about being a sex worker, sex work does not make you a lesser person or less educated and while you might end up being on the internet forever, as long as society doesn't judge you, that shouldn't be a big deal. Would I want my child (daughter OR SON) doing this stuff? No. Why? I don't trust some of the higher ups in these industries. Some of these people are shady and treat women particularly like crap. But that could improve and has made significant progress as more women started to take control. My second main reason is the misogyny my daughter would face by both men AND women (including Feminists) for simply recording and distributing something that most people do. Some of these women, maybe not in Japan but in America and Europe, make ridiculous amounts of money by simply showing the physical intimacy I their monogamous relationship between themselves and their partner. They're doing the same things they'd do, just recording and distributing it for tens of thousands to hundreds of thousands of dollars. Why does this affect them with regards to how they are perceived? Why should this affect them with regards to getting a job or running for office? How are they inherently bad people because they filmed themselves f*ck?
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  624.  M Taylor  Let me go against the grain here with regards to the popular opinion in the comment section. There is nothing degrading about being a sex worker, sex work does not make you a lesser person or less educated and while you might end up being on the internet forever, as long as society doesn't judge you, that shouldn't be a big deal. Would I want my child (daughter OR SON) doing this stuff? No. Why? I don't trust some of the higher ups in these industries. Some of these people are shady and treat women particularly like crap. But that could improve and has made significant progress as more women started to take control. My second main reason is the misogyny my daughter would face by both men AND women (including Feminists) for simply recording and distributing something that most people do. Some of these women, maybe not in Japan but in America and Europe, make ridiculous amounts of money by simply showing the physical intimacy I their monogamous relationship between themselves and their partner. They're doing the same things they'd do, just recording and distributing it for tens of thousands to hundreds of thousands of dollars. Why does this affect them with regards to how they are perceived? Why should this affect them with regards to getting a job or running for office? How are they inherently bad people because they filmed themselves f*ck?
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  625.  @qmzheng6007  Let me go against the grain here with regards to the popular opinion in the comment section. There is nothing degrading about being a sex worker, sex work does not make you a lesser person or less educated and while you might end up being on the internet forever, as long as society doesn't judge you, that shouldn't be a big deal. Would I want my child (daughter OR SON) doing this stuff? No. Why? I don't trust some of the higher ups in these industries. Some of these people are shady and treat women particularly like crap. But that could improve and has made significant progress as more women started to take control. My second main reason is the misogyny my daughter would face by both men AND women (including Feminists) for simply recording and distributing something that most people do. Some of these women, maybe not in Japan but in America and Europe, make ridiculous amounts of money by simply showing the physical intimacy I their monogamous relationship between themselves and their partner. They're doing the same things they'd do, just recording and distributing it for tens of thousands to hundreds of thousands of dollars. Why does this affect them with regards to how they are perceived? Why should this affect them with regards to getting a job or running for office? How are they inherently bad people because they filmed themselves f*ck?
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  626.  @_Doush_  Let me go against the grain here with regards to the popular opinion in the comment section. There is nothing degrading about being a sex worker, sex work does not make you a lesser person or less educated and while you might end up being on the internet forever, as long as society doesn't judge you, that shouldn't be a big deal. Would I want my child (daughter OR SON) doing this stuff? No. Why? I don't trust some of the higher ups in these industries. Some of these people are shady and treat women particularly like crap. But that could improve and has made significant progress as more women started to take control. My second main reason is the misogyny my daughter would face by both men AND women (including Feminists) for simply recording and distributing something that most people do. Some of these women, maybe not in Japan but in America and Europe, make ridiculous amounts of money by simply showing the physical intimacy I their monogamous relationship between themselves and their partner. They're doing the same things they'd do, just recording and distributing it for tens of thousands to hundreds of thousands of dollars. Why does this affect them with regards to how they are perceived? Why should this affect them with regards to getting a job or running for office? How are they inherently bad people because they filmed themselves f*ck?
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  627.  @lorisofi543  Let me go against the grain here with regards to the popular opinion in the comment section. There is nothing degrading about being a sex worker, sex work does not make you a lesser person or less educated and while you might end up being on the internet forever, as long as society doesn't judge you, that shouldn't be a big deal. Would I want my child (daughter OR SON) doing this stuff? No. Why? I don't trust some of the higher ups in these industries. Some of these people are shady and treat women particularly like crap. But that could improve and has made significant progress as more women started to take control. My second main reason is the misogyny my daughter would face by both men AND women (including Feminists) for simply recording and distributing something that most people do. Some of these women, maybe not in Japan but in America and Europe, make ridiculous amounts of money by simply showing the physical intimacy I their monogamous relationship between themselves and their partner. They're doing the same things they'd do, just recording and distributing it for tens of thousands to hundreds of thousands of dollars. Why does this affect them with regards to how they are perceived? Why should this affect them with regards to getting a job or running for office? How are they inherently bad people because they filmed themselves f*ck?
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  628.  @jumpingxi7962  Let me go against the grain here with regards to the popular opinion in the comment section. There is nothing degrading about being a sex worker, sex work does not make you a lesser person or less educated and while you might end up being on the internet forever, as long as society doesn't judge you, that shouldn't be a big deal. Would I want my child (daughter OR SON) doing this stuff? No. Why? I don't trust some of the higher ups in these industries. Some of these people are shady and treat women particularly like crap. But that could improve and has made significant progress as more women started to take control. My second main reason is the misogyny my daughter would face by both men AND women (including Feminists) for simply recording and distributing something that most people do. Some of these women, maybe not in Japan but in America and Europe, make ridiculous amounts of money by simply showing the physical intimacy I their monogamous relationship between themselves and their partner. They're doing the same things they'd do, just recording and distributing it for tens of thousands to hundreds of thousands of dollars. Why does this affect them with regards to how they are perceived? Why should this affect them with regards to getting a job or running for office? How are they inherently bad people because they filmed themselves f*ck?
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  629.  @themountainwanderer  Let me go against the grain here with regards to the popular opinion in the comment section. There is nothing degrading about being a sex worker, sex work does not make you a lesser person or less educated and while you might end up being on the internet forever, as long as society doesn't judge you, that shouldn't be a big deal. Would I want my child (daughter OR SON) doing this stuff? No. Why? I don't trust some of the higher ups in these industries. Some of these people are shady and treat women particularly like crap. But that could improve and has made significant progress as more women started to take control. My second main reason is the misogyny my daughter would face by both men AND women (including Feminists) for simply recording and distributing something that most people do. Some of these women, maybe not in Japan but in America and Europe, make ridiculous amounts of money by simply showing the physical intimacy I their monogamous relationship between themselves and their partner. They're doing the same things they'd do, just recording and distributing it for tens of thousands to hundreds of thousands of dollars. Why does this affect them with regards to how they are perceived? Why should this affect them with regards to getting a job or running for office? How are they inherently bad people because they filmed themselves f*ck?
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  630.  @firstlast7719  Let me go against the grain here with regards to the popular opinion in the comment section. There is nothing degrading about being a sex worker, sex work does not make you a lesser person or less educated and while you might end up being on the internet forever, as long as society doesn't judge you, that shouldn't be a big deal. Would I want my child (daughter OR SON) doing this stuff? No. Why? I don't trust some of the higher ups in these industries. Some of these people are shady and treat women particularly like crap. But that could improve and has made significant progress as more women started to take control. My second main reason is the misogyny my daughter would face by both men AND women (including Feminists) for simply recording and distributing something that most people do. Some of these women, maybe not in Japan but in America and Europe, make ridiculous amounts of money by simply showing the physical intimacy I their monogamous relationship between themselves and their partner. They're doing the same things they'd do, just recording and distributing it for tens of thousands to hundreds of thousands of dollars. Why does this affect them with regards to how they are perceived? Why should this affect them with regards to getting a job or running for office? How are they inherently bad people because they filmed themselves f*ck?
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  631.  @hitosyura  Let me go against the grain here with regards to the popular opinion in the comment section. There is nothing degrading about being a sex worker, sex work does not make you a lesser person or less educated and while you might end up being on the internet forever, as long as society doesn't judge you, that shouldn't be a big deal. Would I want my child (daughter OR SON) doing this stuff? No. Why? I don't trust some of the higher ups in these industries. Some of these people are shady and treat women particularly like crap. But that could improve and has made significant progress as more women started to take control. My second main reason is the misogyny my daughter would face by both men AND women (including Feminists) for simply recording and distributing something that most people do. Some of these women, maybe not in Japan but in America and Europe, make ridiculous amounts of money by simply showing the physical intimacy I their monogamous relationship between themselves and their partner. They're doing the same things they'd do, just recording and distributing it for tens of thousands to hundreds of thousands of dollars. Why does this affect them with regards to how they are perceived? Why should this affect them with regards to getting a job or running for office? How are they inherently bad people because they filmed themselves f*ck?
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  632.  @MaxSujyReact  Let me go against the grain here with regards to the popular opinion in the comment section. There is nothing degrading about being a sex worker, sex work does not make you a lesser person or less educated and while you might end up being on the internet forever, as long as society doesn't judge you, that shouldn't be a big deal. Would I want my child (daughter OR SON) doing this stuff? No. Why? I don't trust some of the higher ups in these industries. Some of these people are shady and treat women particularly like crap. But that could improve and has made significant progress as more women started to take control. My second main reason is the misogyny my daughter would face by both men AND women (including Feminists) for simply recording and distributing something that most people do. Some of these women, maybe not in Japan but in America and Europe, make ridiculous amounts of money by simply showing the physical intimacy I their monogamous relationship between themselves and their partner. They're doing the same things they'd do, just recording and distributing it for tens of thousands to hundreds of thousands of dollars. Why does this affect them with regards to how they are perceived? Why should this affect them with regards to getting a job or running for office? How are they inherently bad people because they filmed themselves f*ck?
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  633.  @VangieTay  Let me go against the grain here with regards to the popular opinion in the comment section. There is nothing degrading about being a sex worker, sex work does not make you a lesser person or less educated and while you might end up being on the internet forever, as long as society doesn't judge you, that shouldn't be a big deal. Would I want my child (daughter OR SON) doing this stuff? No. Why? I don't trust some of the higher ups in these industries. Some of these people are shady and treat women particularly like crap. But that could improve and has made significant progress as more women started to take control. My second main reason is the misogyny my daughter would face by both men AND women (including Feminists) for simply recording and distributing something that most people do. Some of these women, maybe not in Japan but in America and Europe, make ridiculous amounts of money by simply showing the physical intimacy I their monogamous relationship between themselves and their partner. They're doing the same things they'd do, just recording and distributing it for tens of thousands to hundreds of thousands of dollars. Why does this affect them with regards to how they are perceived? Why should this affect them with regards to getting a job or running for office? How are they inherently bad people because they filmed themselves f*ck?
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  634.  @AkaniApex  Let me go against the grain here with regards to the popular opinion in the comment section. There is nothing degrading about being a sex worker, sex work does not make you a lesser person or less educated and while you might end up being on the internet forever, as long as society doesn't judge you, that shouldn't be a big deal. Would I want my child (daughter OR SON) doing this stuff? No. Why? I don't trust some of the higher ups in these industries. Some of these people are shady and treat women particularly like crap. But that could improve and has made significant progress as more women started to take control. My second main reason is the misogyny my daughter would face by both men AND women (including Feminists) for simply recording and distributing something that most people do. Some of these women, maybe not in Japan but in America and Europe, make ridiculous amounts of money by simply showing the physical intimacy I their monogamous relationship between themselves and their partner. They're doing the same things they'd do, just recording and distributing it for tens of thousands to hundreds of thousands of dollars. Why does this affect them with regards to how they are perceived? Why should this affect them with regards to getting a job or running for office? How are they inherently bad people because they filmed themselves f*ck?
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  635.  @yungcunt1717  Let me go against the grain here with regards to the popular opinion in the comment section. There is nothing degrading about being a sex worker, sex work does not make you a lesser person or less educated and while you might end up being on the internet forever, as long as society doesn't judge you, that shouldn't be a big deal. Would I want my child (daughter OR SON) doing this stuff? No. Why? I don't trust some of the higher ups in these industries. Some of these people are shady and treat women particularly like crap. But that could improve and has made significant progress as more women started to take control. My second main reason is the misogyny my daughter would face by both men AND women (including Feminists) for simply recording and distributing something that most people do. Some of these women, maybe not in Japan but in America and Europe, make ridiculous amounts of money by simply showing the physical intimacy I their monogamous relationship between themselves and their partner. They're doing the same things they'd do, just recording and distributing it for tens of thousands to hundreds of thousands of dollars. Why does this affect them with regards to how they are perceived? Why should this affect them with regards to getting a job or running for office? How are they inherently bad people because they filmed themselves f*ck?
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  636.  @michaelcs4183  Let me go against the grain here with regards to the popular opinion in the comment section. There is nothing degrading about being a sex worker, sex work does not make you a lesser person or less educated and while you might end up being on the internet forever, as long as society doesn't judge you, that shouldn't be a big deal. Would I want my child (daughter OR SON) doing this stuff? No. Why? I don't trust some of the higher ups in these industries. Some of these people are shady and treat women particularly like crap. But that could improve and has made significant progress as more women started to take control. My second main reason is the misogyny my daughter would face by both men AND women (including Feminists) for simply recording and distributing something that most people do. Some of these women, maybe not in Japan but in America and Europe, make ridiculous amounts of money by simply showing the physical intimacy I their monogamous relationship between themselves and their partner. They're doing the same things they'd do, just recording and distributing it for tens of thousands to hundreds of thousands of dollars. Why does this affect them with regards to how they are perceived? Why should this affect them with regards to getting a job or running for office? How are they inherently bad people because they filmed themselves f*ck?
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  637.  @MsNikitaVOD  Some comments make me wonder what would they say if instead of a daughter, it was a son. Even this father, like, if he had a son who is a pronstar, would he be in this video? I've read a lot of people talking about how ashamed female pronstars should be, but when it comes to male, it's totally different, i've even seen people joking about how every men's dream job is to become a pronstar from age 13. Imo, both can be good or bad, of course, it is more common to have women being degraded in pron videos, even if it is a vanilla one, but i'm sure that there are bad sides for any gender. At least, there are people trying to change this scenario, maybe one day people will stop saying so many bad things about women who want to and work as pronstars, and just think that they chose this job, because they like it.
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  638.  @Dynamatrix2000  Some comments make me wonder what would they say if instead of a daughter, it was a son. Even this father, like, if he had a son who is a pronstar, would he be in this video? I've read a lot of people talking about how ashamed female pronstars should be, but when it comes to male, it's totally different, i've even seen people joking about how every men's dream job is to become a pronstar from age 13. Imo, both can be good or bad, of course, it is more common to have women being degraded in pron videos, even if it is a vanilla one, but i'm sure that there are bad sides for any gender. At least, there are people trying to change this scenario, maybe one day people will stop saying so many bad things about women who want to and work as pronstars, and just think that they chose this job, because they like it.
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  639.  @adale2771  Let me go against the grain here with regards to the popular opinion in the comment section. There is nothing degrading about being a sex worker, sex work does not make you a lesser person or less educated and while you might end up being on the internet forever, as long as society doesn't judge you, that shouldn't be a big deal. Would I want my child (daughter OR SON) doing this stuff? No. Why? I don't trust some of the higher ups in these industries. Some of these people are shady and treat women particularly like crap. But that could improve and has made significant progress as more women started to take control. My second main reason is the misogyny my daughter would face by both men AND women (including Feminists) for simply recording and distributing something that most people do. Some of these women, maybe not in Japan but in America and Europe, make ridiculous amounts of money by simply showing the physical intimacy I their monogamous relationship between themselves and their partner. They're doing the same things they'd do, just recording and distributing it for tens of thousands to hundreds of thousands of dollars. Why does this affect them with regards to how they are perceived? Why should this affect them with regards to getting a job or running for office? How are they inherently bad people because they filmed themselves f*ck?
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  640.  @Dynamatrix2000  Let me go against the grain here with regards to the popular opinion in the comment section. There is nothing degrading about being a sex worker, sex work does not make you a lesser person or less educated and while you might end up being on the internet forever, as long as society doesn't judge you, that shouldn't be a big deal. Would I want my child (daughter OR SON) doing this stuff? No. Why? I don't trust some of the higher ups in these industries. Some of these people are shady and treat women particularly like crap. But that could improve and has made significant progress as more women started to take control. My second main reason is the misogyny my daughter would face by both men AND women (including Feminists) for simply recording and distributing something that most people do. Some of these women, maybe not in Japan but in America and Europe, make ridiculous amounts of money by simply showing the physical intimacy I their monogamous relationship between themselves and their partner. They're doing the same things they'd do, just recording and distributing it for tens of thousands to hundreds of thousands of dollars. Why does this affect them with regards to how they are perceived? Why should this affect them with regards to getting a job or running for office? How are they inherently bad people because they filmed themselves f*ck?
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  641.  @hitosyura  Let me go against the grain here with regards to the popular opinion in the comment section. There is nothing degrading about being a sex worker, sex work does not make you a lesser person or less educated and while you might end up being on the internet forever, as long as society doesn't judge you, that shouldn't be a big deal. Would I want my child (daughter OR SON) doing this stuff? No. Why? I don't trust some of the higher ups in these industries. Some of these people are shady and treat women particularly like crap. But that could improve and has made significant progress as more women started to take control. My second main reason is the misogyny my daughter would face by both men AND women (including Feminists) for simply recording and distributing something that most people do. Some of these women, maybe not in Japan but in America and Europe, make ridiculous amounts of money by simply showing the physical intimacy I their monogamous relationship between themselves and their partner. They're doing the same things they'd do, just recording and distributing it for tens of thousands to hundreds of thousands of dollars. Why does this affect them with regards to how they are perceived? Why should this affect them with regards to getting a job or running for office? How are they inherently bad people because they filmed themselves f*ck?
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  642.  @OfficerHotpants  Let me go against the grain here with regards to the popular opinion in the comment section. There is nothing degrading about being a sex worker, sex work does not make you a lesser person or less educated and while you might end up being on the internet forever, as long as society doesn't judge you, that shouldn't be a big deal. Would I want my child (daughter OR SON) doing this stuff? No. Why? I don't trust some of the higher ups in these industries. Some of these people are shady and treat women particularly like crap. But that could improve and has made significant progress as more women started to take control. My second main reason is the misogyny my daughter would face by both men AND women (including Feminists) for simply recording and distributing something that most people do. Some of these women, maybe not in Japan but in America and Europe, make ridiculous amounts of money by simply showing the physical intimacy I their monogamous relationship between themselves and their partner. They're doing the same things they'd do, just recording and distributing it for tens of thousands to hundreds of thousands of dollars. Why does this affect them with regards to how they are perceived? Why should this affect them with regards to getting a job or running for office? How are they inherently bad people because they filmed themselves f*ck?
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  643.  @qmzheng6007  Let me go against the grain here with regards to the popular opinion in the comment section. There is nothing degrading about being a sex worker, sex work does not make you a lesser person or less educated and while you might end up being on the internet forever, as long as society doesn't judge you, that shouldn't be a big deal. Would I want my child (daughter OR SON) doing this stuff? No. Why? I don't trust some of the higher ups in these industries. Some of these people are shady and treat women particularly like crap. But that could improve and has made significant progress as more women started to take control. My second main reason is the misogyny my daughter would face by both men AND women (including Feminists) for simply recording and distributing something that most people do. Some of these women, maybe not in Japan but in America and Europe, make ridiculous amounts of money by simply showing the physical intimacy I their monogamous relationship between themselves and their partner. They're doing the same things they'd do, just recording and distributing it for tens of thousands to hundreds of thousands of dollars. Why does this affect them with regards to how they are perceived? Why should this affect them with regards to getting a job or running for office? How are they inherently bad people because they filmed themselves f*ck?
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  644. @Mr. And I Quote Let me go against the grain here with regards to the popular opinion in the comment section. There is nothing degrading about being a sex worker, sex work does not make you a lesser person or less educated and while you might end up being on the internet forever, as long as society doesn't judge you, that shouldn't be a big deal. Would I want my child (daughter OR SON) doing this stuff? No. Why? I don't trust some of the higher ups in these industries. Some of these people are shady and treat women particularly like crap. But that could improve and has made significant progress as more women started to take control. My second main reason is the misogyny my daughter would face by both men AND women (including Feminists) for simply recording and distributing something that most people do. Some of these women, maybe not in Japan but in America and Europe, make ridiculous amounts of money by simply showing the physical intimacy I their monogamous relationship between themselves and their partner. They're doing the same things they'd do, just recording and distributing it for tens of thousands to hundreds of thousands of dollars. Why does this affect them with regards to how they are perceived? Why should this affect them with regards to getting a job or running for office? How are they inherently bad people because they filmed themselves f*ck?
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  645.  @jumpingxi7962  Let me go against the grain here with regards to the popular opinion in the comment section. There is nothing degrading about being a sex worker, sex work does not make you a lesser person or less educated and while you might end up being on the internet forever, as long as society doesn't judge you, that shouldn't be a big deal. Would I want my child (daughter OR SON) doing this stuff? No. Why? I don't trust some of the higher ups in these industries. Some of these people are shady and treat women particularly like crap. But that could improve and has made significant progress as more women started to take control. My second main reason is the misogyny my daughter would face by both men AND women (including Feminists) for simply recording and distributing something that most people do. Some of these women, maybe not in Japan but in America and Europe, make ridiculous amounts of money by simply showing the physical intimacy I their monogamous relationship between themselves and their partner. They're doing the same things they'd do, just recording and distributing it for tens of thousands to hundreds of thousands of dollars. Why does this affect them with regards to how they are perceived? Why should this affect them with regards to getting a job or running for office? How are they inherently bad people because they filmed themselves f*ck?
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  646.  @aggressivepie6860  Let me go against the grain here with regards to the popular opinion in the comment section. There is nothing degrading about being a sex worker, sex work does not make you a lesser person or less educated and while you might end up being on the internet forever, as long as society doesn't judge you, that shouldn't be a big deal. Would I want my child (daughter OR SON) doing this stuff? No. Why? I don't trust some of the higher ups in these industries. Some of these people are shady and treat women particularly like crap. But that could improve and has made significant progress as more women started to take control. My second main reason is the misogyny my daughter would face by both men AND women (including Feminists) for simply recording and distributing something that most people do. Some of these women, maybe not in Japan but in America and Europe, make ridiculous amounts of money by simply showing the physical intimacy I their monogamous relationship between themselves and their partner. They're doing the same things they'd do, just recording and distributing it for tens of thousands to hundreds of thousands of dollars. Why does this affect them with regards to how they are perceived? Why should this affect them with regards to getting a job or running for office? How are they inherently bad people because they filmed themselves f*ck?
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  647.  @PuggleCake  Some comments make me wonder what would they say if instead of a daughter, it was a son. Even this father, like, if he had a son who is a pronstar, would he be in this video? I've read a lot of people talking about how ashamed female pronstars should be, but when it comes to male, it's totally different, i've even seen people joking about how every men's dream job is to become a pronstar from age 13. Imo, both can be good or bad, of course, it is more common to have women being degraded in pron videos, even if it is a vanilla one, but i'm sure that there are bad sides for any gender. At least, there are people trying to change this scenario, maybe one day people will stop saying so many bad things about women who want to and work as pronstars, and just think that they chose this job, because they like it.
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  648. @The_Kansas_Kid Some comments make me wonder what would they say if instead of a daughter, it was a son. Even this father, like, if he had a son who is a pronstar, would he be in this video? I've read a lot of people talking about how ashamed female pronstars should be, but when it comes to male, it's totally different, i've even seen people joking about how every men's dream job is to become a pronstar from age 13. Imo, both can be good or bad, of course, it is more common to have women being degraded in pron videos, even if it is a vanilla one, but i'm sure that there are bad sides for any gender. At least, there are people trying to change this scenario, maybe one day people will stop saying so many bad things about women who want to and work as pronstars, and just think that they chose this job, because they like it.
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  649.  @cheesybits834  Some comments make me wonder what would they say if instead of a daughter, it was a son. Even this father, like, if he had a son who is a pronstar, would he be in this video? I've read a lot of people talking about how ashamed female pronstars should be, but when it comes to male, it's totally different, i've even seen people joking about how every men's dream job is to become a pronstar from age 13. Imo, both can be good or bad, of course, it is more common to have women being degraded in pron videos, even if it is a vanilla one, but i'm sure that there are bad sides for any gender. At least, there are people trying to change this scenario, maybe one day people will stop saying so many bad things about women who want to and work as pronstars, and just think that they chose this job, because they like it.
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  650.  @5688gamble  Some comments make me wonder what would they say if instead of a daughter, it was a son. Even this father, like, if he had a son who is a pronstar, would he be in this video? I've read a lot of people talking about how ashamed female pronstars should be, but when it comes to male, it's totally different, i've even seen people joking about how every men's dream job is to become a pronstar from age 13. Imo, both can be good or bad, of course, it is more common to have women being degraded in pron videos, even if it is a vanilla one, but i'm sure that there are bad sides for any gender. At least, there are people trying to change this scenario, maybe one day people will stop saying so many bad things about women who want to and work as pronstars, and just think that they chose this job, because they like it.
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  651.  @nunnaza  First study (By Family Studies): shows a drop from 73% to about 65% if you have 2 other partners prior to marriage, but then essentially stays at that level through up to 10 previous partners. But what does that prove since the vast majority of men AND women in western society have had sex with multiple partners by the time they married AND marriages NOW are taking place much later. So, did this study control for the age of the women? Did the study control for religiosity since women marrying with no previous sex partners may have had arranged marriages. I'm not convinced at all (from the graph alone) that the study methodology is convincing that there is a difference between no pre-marital partners and TEN pre-marital partners. :). Looking at the second study (Family Study; 5 year prediction of divorce by number of people spouses slept with prior to marriage). I'm in the biz of sociology/psychology so am reasonably familiar with research. I don't have the actual study in front of me, but the graph alone is problematic. Notice how you go from 5% chance of divorce if 0 previous partners jumping to 20% if 1 previous partner, then 30% if 2 previous partners, but then after that, an actual drop off to 25% if you've had 10 or more partners pre-marriage! So if pre-marital sex with others is a factor there should be a consistent rise on the x/y axes (if 1-2 makes a difference, then even more should make more difference). But that's not shown here, so I'm not convinced that this study has proven anything.
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  652.  @mammoniechan  It's so weird to me that a country as open sexually as Japan is would have such a hard time accepting sex when it's someone they know. I don't have any issue of a family member wanted to join the sex industry. The industry you choose doesn't matter. What matters is how well you run your business, if you're paying your bills, and if what you're doing brings you joy. Rubbing bodies together is not a shame. Bad sex is a shame. Getting caught in debt traps is a shame. Not knowing how to provide for yourself or how to adapt to do something different and or better is a shame. Sex as an industry shouldn't be a shame.
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  653.  @彩-i5i  Some comments make me wonder what would they say if instead of a daughter, it was a son. Even this father, like, if he had a son who is a pronstar, would he be in this video? I've read a lot of people talking about how ashamed female pronstars should be, but when it comes to male, it's totally different, i've even seen people joking about how every men's dream job is to become a pronstar from age 13. Imo, both can be good or bad, of course, it is more common to have women being degraded in pron videos, even if it is a vanilla one, but i'm sure that there are bad sides for any gender. At least, there are people trying to change this scenario, maybe one day people will stop saying so many bad things about women who want to and work as pronstars, and just think that they chose this job, because they like it.
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  654.  @mammoniechan  Some comments make me wonder what would they say if instead of a daughter, it was a son. Even this father, like, if he had a son who is a pronstar, would he be in this video? I've read a lot of people talking about how ashamed female pronstars should be, but when it comes to male, it's totally different, i've even seen people joking about how every men's dream job is to become a pronstar from age 13. Imo, both can be good or bad, of course, it is more common to have women being degraded in pron videos, even if it is a vanilla one, but i'm sure that there are bad sides for any gender. At least, there are people trying to change this scenario, maybe one day people will stop saying so many bad things about women who want to and work as pronstars, and just think that they chose this job, because they like it.
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  655. Some comments make me wonder what would they say if instead of a daughter, it was a son. Even this father, like, if he had a son who is a pronstar, would he be in this video? I've read a lot of people talking about how ashamed female pronstars should be, but when it comes to male, it's totally different, i've even seen people joking about how every men's dream job is to become a pronstar from age 13. Imo, both can be good or bad, of course, it is more common to have women being degraded in pron videos, even if it is a vanilla one, but i'm sure that there are bad sides for any gender. At least, there are people trying to change this scenario, maybe one day people will stop saying so many bad things about women who want to and work as pronstars, and just think that they chose this job, because they like it.
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  656. Every job has its own risks and enjoyment. They too enjoy their porn careers instead of doing it out of desperation and as an easy way to earn money, times have changed, and people are getting more open-minded because they see porn as an art. There are also pornstars who plan an exit strategy even before they apply to a porn company. they get in and make huge bucks for 2 or 3 years (insane amounts of cash). then they move on with their lives. needless to say, they must be studying in colleges or doing something else alongside instead of just porn. many strippers and hustlers follow this exit strategy plan also. More than anything. Pornstars are people who for their passion have survived the criticism of the whole world. They went to follow their passion which gave them more satisfaction. There is also a huge online market of porn industries so why should they be ashamed of entering into that if that gives them satisfaction and money. I beg to differ with all people who oppose porn that you should really not watch it if you do not want to but the whole world is out there at night to watch. How are you going to control them?
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  657. Honestly, I think that all this hate for Cassie is really messy and toxic... The main message of the show is literally " we all make bad decision, but nonetheless we're able to improve ourself. We should be less judicious towards others and ourself". But most people apply this message on everyone but Cassie. We all know Cassie has her fair share of mistakes, but its so overlooked that Nate is a manipulative person, not just with Maddy. We should remember that Cassie was deeply depressed and fragile, she felt empty and lonely, i personally think that Nate took advantage of her vulnerability to forget his feelings. I cant understand how so many people underestimate his influence on Cassie while Maddy has INCRIMINATED an INNOCENT person only to protect Nate. Also, i found the Lesley's play down straight cruel and humiliating to Cassie, because for me it was done with no particular moral intent, but mostly with envy. This is pure slutshaming for me. I think that season 2 was too ipocrite with the initial message and i hate the way Cassie has been represented. The narrative is really too ambiguous with her, because it begans to make her look like a ridiculous villain instead of a more real and complex character. We have all forgive Rue, even though she had ruined her family's life, she used to be manipulative and a liar, because she was obviously hurt. And likewise happens with every other characters. So why people can't even try to empathize a little with what Cassie is going through? This seems kinda misogyny to me...ops
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  658. I agree ❤
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  659. That graph at the beginning about the chance of divorce after 5 years doesn't hold much water. The graph doesn't even have a consistent increase with the number of partners. Hell, the chance of divorce is higher with 2 partners than 6-9 partners according to this. Alexander talks about this graph as if there is an exponential increase in chance of divorce with an increase in partners. The difference between 2 partners and 10 + is about 4%..........4%. Don't act like this is a big difference.
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  660. 3:20 I'm sorry but this graph is complete BS. It doesnt show how many women/men are in each of the "how many partners" groups, this could explain why it goes up after 4 partners then down and then up again. It is also obvious that you are more happy if you only ever had one partner, because you dont have any comparison to another relationship. It would also be important to know how the question was phrased...if it was just like "Are you happy in your marriage?" then there is no correlation to the number of partners they had, because the reason for their unhappiness in the moment they were asked could be anything
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  661. First study (By Family Studies): shows a drop from 73% to about 65% if you have 2 other partners prior to marriage, but then essentially stays at that level through up to 10 previous partners. But what does that prove since the vast majority of men AND women in western society have had sex with multiple partners by the time they married AND marriages NOW are taking place much later. So, did this study control for the age of the women? Did the study control for religiosity since women marrying with no previous sex partners may have had arranged marriages. I'm not convinced at all (from the graph alone) that the study methodology is convincing that there is a difference between no pre-marital partners and TEN pre-marital partners. :). Looking at the second study (Family Study; 5 year prediction of divorce by number of people spouses slept with prior to marriage). I'm in the biz of sociology/psychology so am reasonably familiar with research. I don't have the actual study in front of me, but the graph alone is problematic. Notice how you go from 5% chance of divorce if 0 previous partners jumping to 20% if 1 previous partner, then 30% if 2 previous partners, but then after that, an actual drop off to 25% if you've had 10 or more partners pre-marriage! So if pre-marital sex with others is a factor there should be a consistent rise on the x/y axes (if 1-2 makes a difference, then even more should make more difference). But that's not shown here, so I'm not convinced that this study has proven anything.
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  662. @Oblivion 1 Idk what to think of this comment section, there’s so many very well thought out and argued points and analysis, but also so much ”Yeah scarjo’s an idiot, women have to be sexual what else do they got. Juicy milkers are great, I need to see them or I become disinterested!😤” Which just drives me nuts. The video itself, I can’t tell which side it’s on, it’s decently argued but also feels a bit simplistic and bit too stuck to pretty dusty and old ideas about women and men. Also I think it’s maybe a bit unfair to judge her for taking on sexy roles in the past, times are changing, those types of roles were maybe something she thought she just had to do, no option, to become an actor or to further her career. We don’t know is she was comfortable with Hollywood profiling her that way or not. But yeah I’m kind of sad if his opinion is that women have to be sensual and men have to be strong brutes for a movie to work. Playing around with traits just needs to be done well. On the other hand I agree that in order for a female character to be intimidating or strong doesn’t mean femininity needs to, or should be erased.
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  663. Honestly, I think that all this hate for Cassie is really messy and toxic... The main message of the show is literally " we all make bad decision, but nonetheless we're able to improve ourself. We should be less judicious towards others and ourself". But most people apply this message on everyone but Cassie. We all know Cassie has her fair share of mistakes, but its so overlooked that Nate is a manipulative person, not just with Maddy. We should remember that Cassie was deeply depressed and fragile, she felt empty and lonely, i personally think that Nate took advantage of her vulnerability to forget his feelings. I cant understand how so many people underestimate his influence on Cassie while Maddy has INCRIMINATED an INNOCENT person only to protect Nate. Also, i found the Lesley's play down straight cruel and humiliating to Cassie, because for me it was done with no particular moral intent, but mostly with envy. This is pure slutshaming for me. I think that season 2 was too ipocrite with the initial message and i hate the way Cassie has been represented. The narrative is really too ambiguous with her, because it begans to make her look like a ridiculous villain instead of a more real and complex character. We have all forgive Rue, even though she had ruined her family's life, she used to be manipulative and a liar, because she was obviously hurt. And likewise happens with every other characters. So why people can't even try to empathize a little with what Cassie is going through? This seems kinda misogyny to me...ops
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  664. They did her SO DIRTY MAN, I love cassies character. Maybe I haven't seen a lot of movies but I haven't seen a lot of characters with mental problems depicted like she is. Like it's either the sweet anxious/depressed girl or the completely crazy one that's practically a joke. It's good to see a character who's spiralling deeper and deeper beyond help, hurting people around her, unable to break out of her habits even when she wants to. I've had depression too and been there, I want her to get better next season of course but it's sill kind of validating to watch? Weirdly enough. And I don't really mind the ppl who are angry with her, ppl aren't supposed to accommodate u just becuz you're mentally ill. U hv to clean up ur own shiet. And I like how even her family doesn't like her, like that's very real, you really can't expect anything when you're unstable. tbh
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  665. Some comments make me wonder what would they say if instead of a daughter, it was a son. Even this father, like, if he had a son who is a pronstar, would he be in this video? I've read a lot of people talking about how ashamed female pronstars should be, but when it comes to male, it's totally different, i've even seen people joking about how every men's dream job is to become a pronstar from age 13. Imo, both can be good or bad, of course, it is more common to have women being degraded in pron videos, even if it is a vanilla one, but i'm sure that there are bad sides for any gender. At least, there are people trying to change this scenario, maybe one day people will stop saying so many bad things about women who want to and work as pronstars, and just think that they chose this job, because they like it.
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  666. Some comments make me wonder what would they say if instead of a daughter, it was a son. Even this father, like, if he had a son who is a pronstar, would he be in this video? I've read a lot of people talking about how ashamed female pronstars should be, but when it comes to male, it's totally different, i've even seen people joking about how every men's dream job is to become a pronstar from age 13. Imo, both can be good or bad, of course, it is more common to have women being degraded in pron videos, even if it is a vanilla one, but i'm sure that there are bad sides for any gender. At least, there are people trying to change this scenario, maybe one day people will stop saying so many bad things about women who want to and work as pronstars, and just think that they chose this job, because they like it.
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  667. Let me go against the grain here with regards to the popular opinion in the comment section. There is nothing degrading about being a sex worker, sex work does not make you a lesser person or less educated and while you might end up being on the internet forever, as long as society doesn't judge you, that shouldn't be a big deal. Would I want my child (daughter OR SON) doing this stuff? No. Why? I don't trust some of the higher ups in these industries. Some of these people are shady and treat women particularly like crap. But that could improve and has made significant progress as more women started to take control. My second main reason is the misogyny my daughter would face by both men AND women (including Feminists) for simply recording and distributing something that most people do. Some of these women, maybe not in Japan but in America and Europe, make ridiculous amounts of money by simply showing the physical intimacy I their monogamous relationship between themselves and their partner. They're doing the same things they'd do, just recording and distributing it for tens of thousands to hundreds of thousands of dollars. Why does this affect them with regards to how they are perceived? Why should this affect them with regards to getting a job or running for office? How are they inherently bad people because they filmed themselves f*ck?
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  668. Honestly, I think that all this hate for Cassie is really messy and toxic... The main message of the show is literally " we all make bad decision, but nonetheless we're able to improve ourself. We should be less judicious towards others and ourself". But most people apply this message on everyone but Cassie. We all know Cassie has her fair share of mistakes, but its so overlooked that Nate is a manipulative person, not just with Maddy. We should remember that Cassie was deeply depressed and fragile, she felt empty and lonely, i personally think that Nate took advantage of her vulnerability to forget his feelings. I cant understand how so many people underestimate his influence on Cassie while Maddy has INCRIMINATED an INNOCENT person only to protect Nate. Also, i found the Lesley's play down straight cruel and humiliating to Cassie, because for me it was done with no particular moral intent, but mostly with envy. This is pure slutshaming for me. I think that season 2 was too ipocrite with the initial message and i hate the way Cassie has been represented. The narrative is really too ambiguous with her, because it begans to make her look like a ridiculous villain instead of a more real and complex character. We have all forgive Rue, even though she had ruined her family's life, she used to be manipulative and a liar, because she was obviously hurt. And likewise happens with every other characters. So why people can't even try to empathize a little with what Cassie is going through? This seems kinda misogyny to me...ops
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  669. Honestly, I think that all this hate for Cassie is really messy and toxic... The main message of the show is literally " we all make bad decision, but nonetheless we're able to improve ourself. We should be less judicious towards others and ourself". But most people apply this message on everyone but Cassie. We all know Cassie has her fair share of mistakes, but its so overlooked that Nate is a manipulative person, not just with Maddy. We should remember that Cassie was deeply depressed and fragile, she felt empty and lonely, i personally think that Nate took advantage of her vulnerability to forget his feelings. I cant understand how so many people underestimate his influence on Cassie while Maddy has INCRIMINATED an INNOCENT person only to protect Nate. Also, i found the Lesley's play down straight cruel and humiliating to Cassie, because for me it was done with no particular moral intent, but mostly with envy. This is pure slutshaming for me. I think that season 2 was too ipocrite with the initial message and i hate the way Cassie has been represented. The narrative is really too ambiguous with her, because it begans to make her look like a ridiculous villain instead of a more real and complex character. We have all forgive Rue, even though she had ruined her family's life, she used to be manipulative and a liar, because she was obviously hurt. And likewise happens with every other characters. So why people can't even try to empathize a little with what Cassie is going through? This seems kinda misogyny to me...ops
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  670.  @yourealfr  I love cassies character. Maybe I haven't seen a lot of movies but I haven't seen a lot of characters with mental problems depicted like she is. Like it's either the sweet anxious/depressed girl or the completely crazy one that's practically a joke. It's good to see a character who's spiralling deeper and deeper beyond help, hurting people around her, unable to break out of her habits even when she wants to. I've had depression too and been there, I want her to get better next season of course but it's sill kind of validating to watch? Weirdly enough. And I don't really mind the ppl who are angry with her, ppl aren't supposed to accommodate u just becuz you're mentally ill. U hv to clean up ur own shiet. And I like how even her family doesn't like her, like that's very real, you really can't expext anything when you're unstable.
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  671. Honestly, I think that all this hate for Cassie is really messy and toxic... The main message of the show is literally " we all make bad decision, but nonetheless we're able to improve ourself. We should be less judicious towards others and ourself". But most people apply this message on everyone but Cassie. We all know Cassie has her fair share of mistakes, but its so overlooked that Nate is a manipulative person, not just with Maddy. We should remember that Cassie was deeply depressed and fragile, she felt empty and lonely, i personally think that Nate took advantage of her vulnerability to forget his feelings. I cant understand how so many people underestimate his influence on Cassie while Maddy has INCRIMINATED an INNOCENT person only to protect Nate. Also, i found the Lesley's play down straight cruel and humiliating to Cassie, because for me it was done with no particular moral intent, but mostly with envy. This is pure slutshaming for me. I think that season 2 was too ipocrite with the initial message and i hate the way Cassie has been represented. The narrative is really too ambiguous with her, because it begans to make her look like a ridiculous villain instead of a more real and complex character. We have all forgive Rue, even though she had ruined her family's life, she used to be manipulative and a liar, because she was obviously hurt. And likewise happens with every other characters. So why people can't even try to empathize a little with what Cassie is going through? This seems kinda misogyny to me...ops
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  672. Honestly, I think that all this hate for Cassie is really messy and toxic... The main message of the show is literally " we all make bad decision, but nonetheless we're able to improve ourself. We should be less judicious towards others and ourself". But most people apply this message on everyone but Cassie. We all know Cassie has her fair share of mistakes, but its so overlooked that Nate is a manipulative person, not just with Maddy. We should remember that Cassie was deeply depressed and fragile, she felt empty and lonely, i personally think that Nate took advantage of her vulnerability to forget his feelings. I cant understand how so many people underestimate his influence on Cassie while Maddy has INCRIMINATED an INNOCENT person only to protect Nate. Also, i found the Lesley's play down straight cruel and humiliating to Cassie, because for me it was done with no particular moral intent, but mostly with envy. This is pure slutshaming for me. I think that season 2 was too ipocrite with the initial message and i hate the way Cassie has been represented. The narrative is really too ambiguous with her, because it begans to make her look like a ridiculous villain instead of a more real and complex character. We have all forgive Rue, even though she had ruined her family's life, she used to be manipulative and a liar, because she was obviously hurt. And likewise happens with every other characters. So why people can't even try to empathize a little with what Cassie is going through? This seems kinda misogyny to me...ops
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  673. Let me go against the grain here with regards to the popular opinion in the comment section. There is nothing degrading about being a sex worker, sex work does not make you a lesser person or less educated and while you might end up being on the internet forever, as long as society doesn't judge you, that shouldn't be a big deal. Would I want my child (daughter OR SON) doing this stuff? No. Why? I don't trust some of the higher ups in these industries. Some of these people are shady and treat women particularly like crap. But that could improve and has made significant progress as more women started to take control. My second main reason is the misogyny my daughter would face by both men AND women (including Feminists) for simply recording and distributing something that most people do. Some of these women, maybe not in Japan but in America and Europe, make ridiculous amounts of money by simply showing the physical intimacy I their monogamous relationship between themselves and their partner. They're doing the same things they'd do, just recording and distributing it for tens of thousands to hundreds of thousands of dollars. Why does this affect them with regards to how they are perceived? Why should this affect them with regards to getting a job or running for office? How are they inherently bad people because they filmed themselves f*ck?
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  674. Some comments make me wonder what would they say if instead of a daughter, it was a son. Even this father, like, if he had a son who is a pronstar, would he be in this video? I've read a lot of people talking about how ashamed female pronstars should be, but when it comes to male, it's totally different, i've even seen people joking about how every men's dream job is to become a pronstar from age 13. Imo, both can be good or bad, of course, it is more common to have women being degraded in pron videos, even if it is a vanilla one, but i'm sure that there are bad sides for any gender. At least, there are people trying to change this scenario, maybe one day people will stop saying so many bad things about women who want to and work as pronstars, and just think that they chose this job, because they like it.
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  675. Honestly, I think that all this hate for Cassie is really messy and toxic... The main message of the show is literally " we all make bad decision, but nonetheless we're able to improve ourself. We should be less judicious towards others and ourself". But most people apply this message on everyone but Cassie. We all know Cassie has her fair share of mistakes, but its so overlooked that Nate is a manipulative person, not just with Maddy. We should remember that Cassie was deeply depressed and fragile, she felt empty and lonely, i personally think that Nate took advantage of her vulnerability to forget his feelings. I cant understand how so many people underestimate his influence on Cassie while Maddy has INCRIMINATED an INNOCENT person only to protect Nate. Also, i found the Lesley's play down straight cruel and humiliating to Cassie, because for me it was done with no particular moral intent, but mostly with envy. This is pure slutshaming for me. I think that season 2 was too ipocrite with the initial message and i hate the way Cassie has been represented. The narrative is really too ambiguous with her, because it begans to make her look like a ridiculous villain instead of a more real and complex character. We have all forgive Rue, even though she had ruined her family's life, she used to be manipulative and a liar, because she was obviously hurt. And likewise happens with every other characters. So why people can't even try to empathize a little with what Cassie is going through? This seems kinda misogyny to me...ops
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  676.  @brooklynbooysen7862  i agree with this 100%
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  677.  @brooklynbooysen7862  yeah, i know
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  678. Some comments make me wonder what would they say if instead of a daughter, it was a son. Even this father, like, if he had a son who is a pronstar, would he be in this video? I've read a lot of people talking about how ashamed female pronstars should be, but when it comes to male, it's totally different, i've even seen people joking about how every men's dream job is to become a pronstar from age 13. Imo, both can be good or bad, of course, it is more common to have women being degraded in pron videos, even if it is a vanilla one, but i'm sure that there are bad sides for any gender. At least, there are people trying to change this scenario, maybe one day people will stop saying so many bad things about women who want to and work as pronstars, and just think that they chose this job, because they like it.
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  679. ​ @noellerzzzz  EXACTLY
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  680. ​ @charlescole645  i agree with this 100%
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  681. ​ @charlescole645  and these men will celebrate in the comment section if its the men who is doing the sex work and shame women for that for that instead lol. Just look at the comments regarding video male sex workers vs female workers, the double standards are insane. SURE ,there are people who do shame male sex workers, but WAY fewer than they do women
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  682. ​ @noellerzzzz  and these men will celebrate in the comment section if its the men who is doing the sex work and shame women for that for that instead lol. Just look at the comments regarding video male sex workers vs female workers, the double standards are insane. SURE ,there are people who do shame male sex workers, but WAY fewer than they do women
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  683.  @mammoniechan  Why do so many men consume it but would hate someone close to them being a p ⭐️.. You’re also the problem and don’t even realize it lol
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  684. Some comments make me wonder what would they say if instead of a daughter, it was a son. Even this father, like, if he had a son who is a pronstar, would he be in this video? I've read a lot of people talking about how ashamed female pronstars should be, but when it comes to male, it's totally different, i've even seen people joking about how every men's dream job is to become a pronstar from age 13. Imo, both can be good or bad, of course, it is more common to have women being degraded in pron videos, even if it is a vanilla one, but i'm sure that there are bad sides for any gender. At least, there are people trying to change this scenario, maybe one day people will stop saying so many bad things about women who want to and work as pronstars, and just think that they chose this job, because they like it.
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  685.  @hobihope2981  Btw, whats your opinion on Jenny from Forrest Gump as a character ? She is also a flawed female character that get hated a lot for the way she treated Forrest, but Idc what anybody says, Jenny is my favorite character because i can empathize with her due to her upbringing, there is more to her than meets the eye, same goes for character like her, Bojack Horseman, you can find their actions intolerable and still empathize with them, abusive upbringing can damage a person's mind drastically.
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  686. I love cassies character. Maybe I haven't seen a lot of movies but I haven't seen a lot of characters with mental problems depicted like she is. Like it's either the sweet anxious/depressed girl or the completely crazy one that's practically a joke. It's good to see a character who's spiralling deeper and deeper beyond help, hurting people around her, unable to break out of her habits even when she wants to. I've had depression too and been there, I want her to get better next season of course but it's sill kind of validating to watch? Weirdly enough. And I don't really mind the ppl who are angry with her, ppl aren't supposed to accommodate u just becuz you're mentally ill. U hv to clean up ur own shiet. And I like how even her family doesn't like her, like that's very real, you really can't expext anything when you're unstable. tbh
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  687. Yet more bulshit from the critical drinker. It's not about how we treat the female characters it's about how other characters treat them. In "Edge of Tomorrow" our intro to Rita is hella sexy and is explicitly designed to make us go "damn she's hot". But no characters on-screen would dare refer to her or even talk about her like that. We know the actor is hot, other characters know the character is hot, but it's irrelevant to the plot. In fact, her strength as a character is emphasized by the irrelevance of her beauty to her ability to kick ass.
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  688. Let me go against the grain here with regards to the popular opinion in the comment section. There is nothing degrading about being a sex worker, sex work does not make you a lesser person or less educated and while you might end up being on the internet forever, as long as society doesn't judge you, that shouldn't be a big deal. Would I want my child (daughter OR SON) doing this stuff? No. Why? I don't trust some of the higher ups in these industries. Some of these people are shady and treat women particularly like crap. But that could improve and has made significant progress as more women started to take control. My second main reason is the misogyny my daughter would face by both men AND women (including Feminists) for simply recording and distributing something that most people do. Some of these women, maybe not in Japan but in America and Europe, make ridiculous amounts of money by simply showing the physical intimacy I their monogamous relationship between themselves and their partner. They're doing the same things they'd do, just recording and distributing it for tens of thousands to hundreds of thousands of dollars. Why does this affect them with regards to how they are perceived? Why should this affect them with regards to getting a job or running for office? How are they inherently bad people because they filmed themselves f*ck?
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  689. Idk what to think of this comment section, there’s so many very well thought out and argued points and analysis, but also so much ”Yeah scarjo’s an idiot, women have to be sexual what else do they got. Juicy milkers are great, I need to see them or I become disinterested!😤” Which just drives me nuts. The video itself, I can’t tell which side it’s on, it’s decently argued but also feels a bit simplistic and bit too stuck to pretty dusty and old ideas about women and men. Also I think it’s maybe a bit unfair to judge her for taking on sexy roles in the past, times are changing, those types of roles were maybe something she thought she just had to do, no option, to become an actor or to further her career. We don’t know is she was comfortable with Hollywood profiling her that way or not. But yeah I’m kind of sad if his opinion is that women have to be sensual and men have to be strong brutes for a movie to work. Playing around with traits just needs to be done well. On the other hand I agree that in order for a female character to be intimidating or strong doesn’t mean femininity needs to, or should be erased.
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  690. I think the argument is too black and white. Either its all female voodoo or a girly with an apes bod. Women don't need muscle to be strong, but they need more than a body to be a good character. I think Arcane does a spectacular job at writing women who are people before their gender. For instance the punching Powerhouse Vi, who beats the shit out of people. She punches before she thinks, but thats not because she's an angry feminist... she grew up in an environment where you had to fight to survive. Plus, she was in charge of her ragtag siblings, prepped to be a leader by her adoptive father. The difference is that seducing people and then beating them up won't really work for the problems she faces. So, conditions effect character. Black windows tactic works with the conditions of a modern world, and kinda points out the flaws in the men she seduces rather than her seducing. The problem is that marvel is trying to appeal more to kids so they gotta water down characters a bit. She's a morally grey character and that's why she's cool. It's not about being more manly because men exist in different conditions. I think if we want to see a more human side to black window, they could maybe show how she feels about her tactic, make her get fed up and lash out because changing the character without confronting the conditioned behavior washes away the humanity.
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  691. Japanese culture as a whole can be very repressive . They are taught from very young age to "suck it up" and don't show any kind of rebellion, opinion , basically any kind of emotion . It's kind of a "Mechanical" do you work and go home and be repressed at home as well. Don't talk about it or even broach the subject. Explains high Suicide rate over there !!! They may technologically advanced but at great Human emotional Sacrifice!!!
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  692. Some comments make me wonder what would they say if instead of a daughter, it was a son. Even this father, like, if he had a son who is a pronstar, would he be in this video? I've read a lot of people talking about how ashamed female pronstars should be, but when it comes to male, it's totally different, i've even seen people joking about how every men's dream job is to become a pronstar from age 13. Imo, both can be good or bad, of course, it is more common to have women being degraded in pron videos, even if it is a vanilla one, but i'm sure that there are bad sides for any gender. At least, there are people trying to change this scenario, maybe one day people will stop saying so many bad things about women who want to and work as pronstars, and just think that they chose this job, because they like it.
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  693. you can watch the trash taste podcast as it was revealed that Shibuya was an ex-pornstars
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  694.  @lfeist3279  I'm a Singaporean, i can tell u what my friends says that if u are single, u wish you are married. But when u are married, u wish u were single again. The grass is always greener on the other side
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  695. Some comments make me wonder what would they say if instead of a daughter, it was a son. Even this father, like, if he had a son who is a pronstar, would he be in this video? I've read a lot of people talking about how ashamed female pronstars should be, but when it comes to male, it's totally different, i've even seen people joking about how every men's dream job is to become a pronstar from age 13. Imo, both can be good or bad, of course, it is more common to have women being degraded in pron videos, even if it is a vanilla one, but i'm sure that there are bad sides for any gender. At least, there are people trying to change this scenario, maybe one day people will stop saying so many bad things about women who want to and work as pronstars, and just think that they chose this job, because they like it.
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  696. Let me go against the grain here with regards to the popular opinion in the comment section. There is nothing degrading about being a sex worker, sex work does not make you a lesser person or less educated and while you might end up being on the internet forever, as long as society doesn't judge you, that shouldn't be a big deal. Would I want my child (daughter OR SON) doing this stuff? No. Why? I don't trust some of the higher ups in these industries. Some of these people are shady and treat women particularly like crap. But that could improve and has made significant progress as more women started to take control. My second main reason is the misogyny my daughter would face by both men AND women (including Feminists) for simply recording and distributing something that most people do. Some of these women, maybe not in Japan but in America and Europe, make ridiculous amounts of money by simply showing the physical intimacy I their monogamous relationship between themselves and their partner. They're doing the same things they'd do, just recording and distributing it for tens of thousands to hundreds of thousands of dollars. Why does this affect them with regards to how they are perceived? Why should this affect them with regards to getting a job or running for office? How are they inherently bad people because they filmed themselves f*ck?
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  697. Every job has its own risks and enjoyment. They too enjoy their porn careers instead of doing it out of desperation and as an easy way to earn money, times have changed, and people are getting more open-minded because they see porn as an art. There are also pornstars who plan an exit strategy even before they apply to a porn company. they get in and make huge bucks for 2 or 3 years (insane amounts of cash). then they move on with their lives. needless to say, they must be studying in colleges or doing something else alongside instead of just porn. many strippers and hustlers follow this exit strategy plan also. More than anything. Pornstars are people who for their passion have survived the criticism of the whole world. They went to follow their passion which gave them more satisfaction. There is also a huge online market of porn industries so why should they be ashamed of entering into that if that gives them satisfaction and money. I beg to differ with all people who oppose porn that you should really not watch it if you do not want to but the whole world is out there at night to watch. How are you going to control them?
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  698.  @cherrrycola3902  Some comments make me wonder what would they say if instead of a daughter, it was a son. Even this father, like, if he had a son who is a pronstar, would he be in this video? I've read a lot of people talking about how ashamed female pronstars should be, but when it comes to male, it's totally different, i've even seen people joking about how every men's dream job is to become a pronstar from age 13. Imo, both can be good or bad, of course, it is more common to have women being degraded in pron videos, even if it is a vanilla one, but i'm sure that there are bad sides for any gender. At least, there are people trying to change this scenario, maybe one day people will stop saying so many bad things about women who want to and work as pronstars, and just think that they chose this job, because they like it.
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  699. I love cassies character. Maybe I haven't seen a lot of movies but I haven't seen a lot of characters with mental problems depicted like she is. Like it's either the sweet anxious/depressed girl or the completely crazy one that's practically a joke. It's good to see a character who's spiralling deeper and deeper beyond help, hurting people around her, unable to break out of her habits even when she wants to. I've had depression too and been there, I want her to get better next season of course but it's sill kind of validating to watch? Weirdly enough. And I don't really mind the ppl who are angry with her, ppl aren't supposed to accommodate u just becuz you're mentally ill. U hv to clean up ur own shiet. And I like how even her family doesn't like her, like that's very real, you really can't expext anything when you're unstable.
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  700. I love cassies character. Maybe I haven't seen a lot of movies but I haven't seen a lot of characters with mental problems depicted like she is. Like it's either the sweet anxious/depressed girl or the completely crazy one that's practically a joke. It's good to see a character who's spiralling deeper and deeper beyond help, hurting people around her, unable to break out of her habits even when she wants to. I've had depression too and been there, I want her to get better next season of course but it's sill kind of validating to watch? Weirdly enough. And I don't really mind the ppl who are angry with her, ppl aren't supposed to accommodate u just becuz you're mentally ill. U hv to clean up ur own shiet. And I like how even her family doesn't like her, like that's very real, you really can't expext anything when you're unstable.
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  701. Honestly, I think that all this hate for Cassie is really messy and toxic... The main message of the show is literally " we all make bad decision, but nonetheless we're able to improve ourself. We should be less judicious towards others and ourself". But most people apply this message on everyone but Cassie. We all know Cassie has her fair share of mistakes, but its so overlooked that Nate is a manipulative person, not just with Maddy. We should remember that Cassie was deeply depressed and fragile, she felt empty and lonely, i personally think that Nate took advantage of her vulnerability to forget his feelings. I cant understand how so many people underestimate his influence on Cassie while Maddy has INCRIMINATED an INNOCENT person only to protect Nate. Also, i found the Lesley's play down straight cruel and humiliating to Cassie, because for me it was done with no particular moral intent, but mostly with envy. This is pure slutshaming for me. I think that season 2 was too ipocrite with the initial message and i hate the way Cassie has been represented. The narrative is really too ambiguous with her, because it begans to make her look like a ridiculous villain instead of a more real and complex character. We have all forgive Rue, even though she had ruined her family's life, she used to be manipulative and a liar, because she was obviously hurt. And likewise happens with every other characters. So why people can't even try to empathize a little with what Cassie is going through? This seems kinda misogyny to me...ops
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  702. I think the argument is too black and white. Either its all female voodoo or a girly with an apes bod. Women don't need muscle to be strong, but they need more than a body to be a good character. I think Arcane does a spectacular job at writing women who are people before their gender. For instance the punching Powerhouse Vi, who beats the shit out of people. She punches before she thinks, but thats not because she's an angry feminist... she grew up in an environment where you had to fight to survive. Plus, she was in charge of her ragtag siblings, prepped to be a leader by her adoptive father. The difference is that seducing people and then beating them up won't really work for the problems she faces. So, conditions effect character. Black windows tactic works with the conditions of a modern world, and kinda points out the flaws in the men she seduces rather than her seducing. The problem is that marvel is trying to appeal more to kids so they gotta water down characters a bit. She's a morally grey character and that's why she's cool. It's not about being more manly because men exist in different conditions. I think if we want to see a more human side to black window, they could maybe show how she feels about her tactic, make her get fed up and lash out because changing the character without confronting the conditioned behavior washes away the humanity.
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  703. I don't want to excuse Cassie for what she did, but people seem to be so desensitized with Nate and think he's only doing what's expected of him that they end up forgetting that he's the biggest problem here. Realistically, I would react the same way Maddie did, because Cassie broke her trust and if someone you bonded with so much just broke your trust and got with your ex-ABUSIVE boyfriend, that would deeply hurt you, but Nate needs to take responsibility for his actions as well, not just Cassie. He ain't even facing any consequences despite being so much of a jack-ass. He only got beaten once meanwhile Cassie always needs to take blame even before this entire incident. Plus, people seem to forget about Cassie's passion for ice skating. Instead of making season 2 about her trying to find herself after all the heartbreak, regaining her love for ice skating and pursuing it. I know that putting her together with Nate creates more drama, making it more interesting to viewers and that's what they want, but it's also kinda demeaning to Cassie as a person. I'm being way too invested but like I'm just kinda sad, I wanted Cassie to grow but her world only fell apart, and yes she did questionable things in the past, I don't excuse any of her wrongdoings but the point is wanting to see her grow and since she's literally just a character so I believe they could have molded her differently. Also like someone said, her true love doesn't have to be a man, it could be anyone, it doesn't have to be romantic. As long as it helps her grow and uplifts her, helps her become a better person, then that's who you can consider her true love. It's so sad to see Maddie and Cassie pitted against each other; "Bitch you're my soulmate"😭😭😭
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  704. I love cassies character. Maybe I haven't seen a lot of movies but I haven't seen a lot of characters with mental problems depicted like she is. Like it's either the sweet anxious/depressed girl or the completely crazy one that's practically a joke. It's good to see a character who's spiralling deeper and deeper beyond help, hurting people around her, unable to break out of her habits even when she wants to. I've had depression too and been there, I want her to get better next season of course but it's sill kind of validating to watch? Weirdly enough. And I don't really mind the ppl who are angry with her, ppl aren't supposed to accommodate u just becuz you're mentally ill. U hv to clean up ur own shiet. And I like how even her family doesn't like her, like that's very real, you really can't expext anything when you're unstable.
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  705. Honestly, I think that all this hate for Cassie is really messy and toxic... The main message of the show is literally " we all make bad decision, but nonetheless we're able to improve ourself. We should be less judicious towards others and ourself". But most people apply this message on everyone but Cassie. We all know Cassie has her fair share of mistakes, but its so overlooked that Nate is a manipulative person, not just with Maddy. We should remember that Cassie was deeply depressed and fragile, she felt empty and lonely, i personally think that Nate took advantage of her vulnerability to forget his feelings. I cant understand how so many people underestimate his influence on Cassie while Maddy has INCRIMINATED an INNOCENT person only to protect Nate. Also, i found the Lesley's play down straight cruel and humiliating to Cassie, because for me it was done with no particular moral intent, but mostly with envy. This is pure slutshaming for me. I think that season 2 was too ipocrite with the initial message and i hate the way Cassie has been represented. The narrative is really too ambiguous with her, because it begans to make her look like a ridiculous villain instead of a more real and complex character. We have all forgive Rue, even though she had ruined her family's life, she used to be manipulative and a liar, because she was obviously hurt. And likewise happens with every other characters. So why people can't even try to empathize a little with what Cassie is going through? This seems kinda misogyny to me...ops
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  706. I don't want to excuse Cassie for what she did, but people seem to be so desensitized with Nate and think he's only doing what's expected of him that they end up forgetting that he's the biggest problem here. Realistically, I would react the same way Maddie did, because Cassie broke her trust and if someone you bonded with so much just broke your trust and got with your ex-ABUSIVE boyfriend, that would deeply hurt you, but Nate needs to take responsibility for his actions as well, not just Cassie. He ain't even facing any consequences despite being so much of a jack-ass. He only got beaten once meanwhile Cassie always needs to take blame even before this entire incident. Plus, people seem to forget about Cassie's passion for ice skating. Instead of making season 2 about her trying to find herself after all the heartbreak, regaining her love for ice skating and pursuing it. I know that putting her together with Nate creates more drama, making it more interesting to viewers and that's what they want, but it's also kinda demeaning to Cassie as a person. I'm being way too invested but like I'm just kinda sad, I wanted Cassie to grow but her world only fell apart, and yes she did questionable things in the past, I don't excuse any of her wrongdoings but the point is wanting to see her grow and since she's literally just a character so I believe they could have molded her differently. Also like someone said, her true love doesn't have to be a man, it could be anyone, it doesn't have to be romantic. As long as it helps her grow and uplifts her, helps her become a better person, then that's who you can consider her true love. It's so sad to see Maddie and Cassie pitted against each other; "Bitch you're my soulmate"😭😭😭
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  707.  @sarahgrace3488  From my interpretation she did love him but didn't find herself worthy of him because of her own hardships and terrible upbringing, she was abused since child so no wonder she turned out that way. She always cared for him and only reason she stopped herself from commiting suicide was for his sake. She stayed away from him during her own hardships and couldn't even accept his marriage proposal but gave in seeing unconditional love from forrest. She also had aids due to her prostitution and drug abuse she gone through and she just hoped Forrest would get over her which he didn't. If she was selfish she would have just accepted his marriage proposal and lived off his money but instead she left him and got her own job until she got better and seeing forrest still loving her after all those years she finally decided to get together for her final years
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  708.  @aw_dri  the thing that upsets me is def how Cassie got treated, every character has their flaws. and Maddy basically also commited a crime something that if avoided none of this disasters would be happening bc the rat would be locked up. Maddy beating Cassie up nevet was right for me bc i personally would have fked Nate up for messing with both, esp when Cassie was in a vulnerable state he took advantage of her just like she took advantage of Maddy. Maddy is the one seen as a bad bitch when in reality her behavior isn't really always it, Maddy's behavior is immature, manipulative and selfish in some moments too and somehow everyone forgot about it, and Cassie isn't innocent either just like every character on the show so y'all need to stop slandering a character bc at the end of the day if Maddy hadn't acted manipulative and selfish in order to save Nate, the betrayal prolly wouldn't have happened....Both characters did something bad to "keep" Nate but at the end of the day Maddy is the one who commited a crime to do that and manipulated ppl in order to do that...as i said before no one is innocent in the show bc Rue is Rue, Jules cheated on Rue but no one seems to talk about it, Nate is a grade a trash can, elliot is manipulative too, and Kat and Lexi have their faults too.
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  709. Some comments make me wonder what would they say if instead of a daughter, it was a son. Even this father, like, if he had a son who is a pronstar, would he be in this video? I've read a lot of people talking about how ashamed female pronstars should be, but when it comes to male, it's totally different, i've even seen people joking about how every men's dream job is to become a pronstar from age 13. Imo, both can be good or bad, of course, it is more common to have women being degraded in pron videos, even if it is a vanilla one, but i'm sure that there are bad sides for any gender. At least, there are people trying to change this scenario, maybe one day people will stop saying so many bad things about women who want to and work as pronstars, and just think that they chose this job, because they like it.
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  710. I think the argument is too black and white. Either its all female voodoo or a girly with an apes bod. Women don't need muscle to be strong, but they need more than a body to be a good character. I think Arcane does a spectacular job at writing women who are people before their gender. For instance the punching Powerhouse Vi, who beats the shit out of people. She punches before she thinks, but thats not because she's an angry feminist... she grew up in an environment where you had to fight to survive. Plus, she was in charge of her ragtag siblings, prepped to be a leader by her adoptive father. The difference is that seducing people and then beating them up won't really work for the problems she faces. So, conditions effect character. Black windows tactic works with the conditions of a modern world, and kinda points out the flaws in the men she seduces rather than her seducing. The problem is that marvel is trying to appeal more to kids so they gotta water down characters a bit. She's a morally grey character and that's why she's cool. It's not about being more manly because men exist in different conditions. I think if we want to see a more human side to black window, they could maybe show how she feels about her tactic, make her get fed up and lash out because changing the character without confronting the conditioned behavior washes away the humanity.
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  711. I love cassies character. Maybe I haven't seen a lot of movies but I haven't seen a lot of characters with mental problems depicted like she is. Like it's either the sweet anxious/depressed girl or the completely crazy one that's practically a joke. It's good to see a character who's spiralling deeper and deeper beyond help, hurting people around her, unable to break out of her habits even when she wants to. I've had depression too and been there, I want her to get better next season of course but it's sill kind of validating to watch? Weirdly enough. And I don't really mind the ppl who are angry with her, ppl aren't supposed to accommodate u just becuz you're mentally ill. U hv to clean up ur own shiet. And I like how even her family doesn't like her, like that's very real, you really can't expext anything when you're unstable.
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  712. I love cassies character. Maybe I haven't seen a lot of movies but I haven't seen a lot of characters with mental problems depicted like she is. Like it's either the sweet anxious/depressed girl or the completely crazy one that's practically a joke. It's good to see a character who's spiralling deeper and deeper beyond help, hurting people around her, unable to break out of her habits even when she wants to. I've had depression too and been there, I want her to get better next season of course but it's sill kind of validating to watch? Weirdly enough. And I don't really mind the ppl who are angry with her, ppl aren't supposed to accommodate u just becuz you're mentally ill. U hv to clean up ur own shiet. And I like how even her family doesn't like her, like that's very real, you really can't expext anything when you're unstable.
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  713. Let me go against the grain here with regards to the popular opinion in the comment section. There is nothing degrading about being a sex worker, sex work does not make you a lesser person or less educated and while you might end up being on the internet forever, as long as society doesn't judge you, that shouldn't be a big deal. Would I want my child (daughter OR SON) doing this stuff? No. Why? I don't trust some of the higher ups in these industries. Some of these people are shady and treat women particularly like crap. But that could improve and has made significant progress as more women started to take control. My second main reason is the misogyny my daughter would face by both men AND women (including Feminists) for simply recording and distributing something that most people do. Some of these women, maybe not in Japan but in America and Europe, make ridiculous amounts of money by simply showing the physical intimacy I their monogamous relationship between themselves and their partner. They're doing the same things they'd do, just recording and distributing it for tens of thousands to hundreds of thousands of dollars. Why does this affect them with regards to how they are perceived? Why should this affect them with regards to getting a job or running for office? How are they inherently bad people because they filmed themselves f*ck?
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  714. I think the argument is too black and white. Either its all female voodoo or a girly with an apes bod. Women don't need muscle to be strong, but they need more than a body to be a good character. I think Arcane does a spectacular job at writing women who are people before their gender. For instance the punching Powerhouse Vi, who beats the shit out of people. She punches before she thinks, but thats not because she's an angry feminist... she grew up in an environment where you had to fight to survive. Plus, she was in charge of her ragtag siblings, prepped to be a leader by her adoptive father. The difference is that seducing people and then beating them up won't really work for the problems she faces. So, conditions effect character. Black windows tactic works with the conditions of a modern world, and kinda points out the flaws in the men she seduces rather than her seducing. The problem is that marvel is trying to appeal more to kids so they gotta water down characters a bit. She's a morally grey character and that's why she's cool. It's not about being more manly because men exist in different conditions. I think if we want to see a more human side to black window, they could maybe show how she feels about her tactic, make her get fed up and lash out because changing the character without confronting the conditioned behavior washes away the humanity.
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  715. in a sense it s understandable.. sorry but did you how redpill, manosphere and all this sh!t is .. ?? (don't be stupid to put me in an "opposite place" I'm not a woke, a simp, or all these bs.. so before judging listen to my explanation.. Redpill manosphere chanels says: 30yo women ? the wall.. what ? so you want to fuck kids ?? to be with a childish stupid women.. ? 40yo women are far too oldeven if your are 40.. single mother are low value women.. man with all we will even see "hide that you have kids" articles.. at 29 I met a 42yo women, beautiful, very intersting, good person with values, she was a single mother, she never asked me anything about his child and never made him being more important than me.. when he was wrong she was on MY side. she did alot for me, worked alot, was an incredible women always smilling, simple and ready to help. we get married was very happy with her. my actual was also 42 when I met her, I was 36. also single mother and same perfect attitude.. she died hide me nothing about her past (toxicomany, anorexia, prostitution). she always here for me (was 3 times in psychiatric hospital, more than a month each time, she came to see me EVERYDAY ! at a moment when I was mentally ill I didn't want to see her and even doesnt answered to her call and when she came to my place too, hide like I wasnt here.. we still was together.. she came everyday to see me and because I never answered she let every day a note on my door.. do never tell me that these women are low value women and don't diserve love. I won't anger, I would laugh because of how wrong it is..
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  716. i agree 100%
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  717. Some comments make me wonder what would they say if instead of a daughter, it was a son. Even this father, like, if he had a son who is a pronstar, would he be in this video? I've read a lot of people talking about how ashamed female pronstars should be, but when it comes to male, it's totally different, i've even seen people joking about how every men's dream job is to become a pronstar from age 13. Imo, both can be good or bad, of course, it is more common to have women being degraded in pron videos, even if it is a vanilla one, but i'm sure that there are bad sides for any gender. At least, there are people trying to change this scenario, maybe one day people will stop saying so many bad things about women who want to and work as pronstars, and just think that they chose this job, because they like it.
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  718. @Grace Duncan I love cassies character. Maybe I haven't seen a lot of movies but I haven't seen a lot of characters with mental problems depicted like she is. Like it's either the sweet anxious/depressed girl or the completely crazy one that's practically a joke. It's good to see a character who's spiralling deeper and deeper beyond help, hurting people around her, unable to break out of her habits even when she wants to. I've had depression too and been there, I want her to get better next season of course but it's sill kind of validating to watch? Weirdly enough. And I don't really mind the ppl who are angry with her, ppl aren't supposed to accommodate u just becuz you're mentally ill. U hv to clean up ur own shiet. And I like how even her family doesn't like her, like that's very real, you really can't expext anything when you're unstable.
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  719.  @andream794  I love cassies character. Maybe I haven't seen a lot of movies but I haven't seen a lot of characters with mental problems depicted like she is. Like it's either the sweet anxious/depressed girl or the completely crazy one that's practically a joke. It's good to see a character who's spiralling deeper and deeper beyond help, hurting people around her, unable to break out of her habits even when she wants to. I've had depression too and been there, I want her to get better next season of course but it's sill kind of validating to watch? Weirdly enough. And I don't really mind the ppl who are angry with her, ppl aren't supposed to accommodate u just becuz you're mentally ill. U hv to clean up ur own shiet. And I like how even her family doesn't like her, like that's very real, you really can't expext anything when you're unstable.
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  720.  @WinxMagicalHero  I love cassies character. Maybe I haven't seen a lot of movies but I haven't seen a lot of characters with mental problems depicted like she is. Like it's either the sweet anxious/depressed girl or the completely crazy one that's practically a joke. It's good to see a character who's spiralling deeper and deeper beyond help, hurting people around her, unable to break out of her habits even when she wants to. I've had depression too and been there, I want her to get better next season of course but it's sill kind of validating to watch? Weirdly enough. And I don't really mind the ppl who are angry with her, ppl aren't supposed to accommodate u just becuz you're mentally ill. U hv to clean up ur own shiet. And I like how even her family doesn't like her, like that's very real, you really can't expext anything when you're unstable.
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  721.  @hatethisupdate  I love cassies character. Maybe I haven't seen a lot of movies but I haven't seen a lot of characters with mental problems depicted like she is. Like it's either the sweet anxious/depressed girl or the completely crazy one that's practically a joke. It's good to see a character who's spiralling deeper and deeper beyond help, hurting people around her, unable to break out of her habits even when she wants to. I've had depression too and been there, I want her to get better next season of course but it's sill kind of validating to watch? Weirdly enough. And I don't really mind the ppl who are angry with her, ppl aren't supposed to accommodate u just becuz you're mentally ill. U hv to clean up ur own shiet. And I like how even her family doesn't like her, like that's very real, you really can't expext anything when you're unstable.
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  722.  @badgalpandamanda  I don't want to excuse Cassie for what she did, but people seem to be so desensitized with Nate and think he's only doing what's expected of him that they end up forgetting that he's the biggest problem here. Realistically, I would react the same way Maddie did, because Cassie broke her trust and if someone you bonded with so much just broke your trust and got with your ex-ABUSIVE boyfriend, that would deeply hurt you, but Nate needs to take responsibility for his actions as well, not just Cassie. He ain't even facing any consequences despite being so much of a jack-ass. He only got beaten once meanwhile Cassie always needs to take blame even before this entire incident. Plus, people seem to forget about Cassie's passion for ice skating. Instead of making season 2 about her trying to find herself after all the heartbreak, regaining her love for ice skating and pursuing it. I know that putting her together with Nate creates more drama, making it more interesting to viewers and that's what they want, but it's also kinda demeaning to Cassie as a person. I'm being way too invested but like I'm just kinda sad, I wanted Cassie to grow but her world only fell apart, and yes she did questionable things in the past, I don't excuse any of her wrongdoings but the point is wanting to see her grow and since she's literally just a character so I believe they could have molded her differently. Also like someone said, her true love doesn't have to be a man, it could be anyone, it doesn't have to be romantic. As long as it helps her grow and uplifts her, helps her become a better person, then that's who you can consider her true love. It's so sad to see Maddie and Cassie pitted against each other; "Bitch you're my soulmate"😭😭😭
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  723.  @hatethisupdate  I don't want to excuse Cassie for what she did, but people seem to be so desensitized with Nate and think he's only doing what's expected of him that they end up forgetting that he's the biggest problem here. Realistically, I would react the same way Maddie did, because Cassie broke her trust and if someone you bonded with so much just broke your trust and got with your ex-ABUSIVE boyfriend, that would deeply hurt you, but Nate needs to take responsibility for his actions as well, not just Cassie. He ain't even facing any consequences despite being so much of a jack-ass. He only got beaten once meanwhile Cassie always needs to take blame even before this entire incident. Plus, people seem to forget about Cassie's passion for ice skating. Instead of making season 2 about her trying to find herself after all the heartbreak, regaining her love for ice skating and pursuing it. I know that putting her together with Nate creates more drama, making it more interesting to viewers and that's what they want, but it's also kinda demeaning to Cassie as a person. I'm being way too invested but like I'm just kinda sad, I wanted Cassie to grow but her world only fell apart, and yes she did questionable things in the past, I don't excuse any of her wrongdoings but the point is wanting to see her grow and since she's literally just a character so I believe they could have molded her differently. Also like someone said, her true love doesn't have to be a man, it could be anyone, it doesn't have to be romantic. As long as it helps her grow and uplifts her, helps her become a better person, then that's who you can consider her true love. It's so sad to see Maddie and Cassie pitted against each other; "Bitch you're my soulmate"😭😭😭
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  724.  @emma-et7yp  I don't want to excuse Cassie for what she did, but people seem to be so desensitized with Nate and think he's only doing what's expected of him that they end up forgetting that he's the biggest problem here. Realistically, I would react the same way Maddie did, because Cassie broke her trust and if someone you bonded with so much just broke your trust and got with your ex-ABUSIVE boyfriend, that would deeply hurt you, but Nate needs to take responsibility for his actions as well, not just Cassie. He ain't even facing any consequences despite being so much of a jack-ass. He only got beaten once meanwhile Cassie always needs to take blame even before this entire incident. Plus, people seem to forget about Cassie's passion for ice skating. Instead of making season 2 about her trying to find herself after all the heartbreak, regaining her love for ice skating and pursuing it. I know that putting her together with Nate creates more drama, making it more interesting to viewers and that's what they want, but it's also kinda demeaning to Cassie as a person. I'm being way too invested but like I'm just kinda sad, I wanted Cassie to grow but her world only fell apart, and yes she did questionable things in the past, I don't excuse any of her wrongdoings but the point is wanting to see her grow and since she's literally just a character so I believe they could have molded her differently. Also like someone said, her true love doesn't have to be a man, it could be anyone, it doesn't have to be romantic. As long as it helps her grow and uplifts her, helps her become a better person, then that's who you can consider her true love. It's so sad to see Maddie and Cassie pitted against each other; "Bitch you're my soulmate"😭😭😭
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  725.  @ananiux1  I don't want to excuse Cassie for what she did, but people seem to be so desensitized with Nate and think he's only doing what's expected of him that they end up forgetting that he's the biggest problem here. Realistically, I would react the same way Maddie did, because Cassie broke her trust and if someone you bonded with so much just broke your trust and got with your ex-ABUSIVE boyfriend, that would deeply hurt you, but Nate needs to take responsibility for his actions as well, not just Cassie. He ain't even facing any consequences despite being so much of a jack-ass. He only got beaten once meanwhile Cassie always needs to take blame even before this entire incident. Plus, people seem to forget about Cassie's passion for ice skating. Instead of making season 2 about her trying to find herself after all the heartbreak, regaining her love for ice skating and pursuing it. I know that putting her together with Nate creates more drama, making it more interesting to viewers and that's what they want, but it's also kinda demeaning to Cassie as a person. I'm being way too invested but like I'm just kinda sad, I wanted Cassie to grow but her world only fell apart, and yes she did questionable things in the past, I don't excuse any of her wrongdoings but the point is wanting to see her grow and since she's literally just a character so I believe they could have molded her differently. Also like someone said, her true love doesn't have to be a man, it could be anyone, it doesn't have to be romantic. As long as it helps her grow and uplifts her, helps her become a better person, then that's who you can consider her true love. It's so sad to see Maddie and Cassie pitted against each other; "Bitch you're my soulmate"😭😭😭
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  726.  @tryingtobebetter5382  Honestly, I think that all this hate for Cassie is really messy and toxic... The main message of the show is literally " we all make bad decision, but nonetheless we're able to improve ourself. We should be less judicious towards others and ourself". But most people apply this message on everyone but Cassie. We all know Cassie has her fair share of mistakes, but its so overlooked that Nate is a manipulative person, not just with Maddy. We should remember that Cassie was deeply depressed and fragile, she felt empty and lonely, i personally think that Nate took advantage of her vulnerability to forget his feelings. I cant understand how so many people underestimate his influence on Cassie while Maddy has INCRIMINATED an INNOCENT person only to protect Nate. Also, i found the Lesley's play down straight cruel and humiliating to Cassie, because for me it was done with no particular moral intent, but mostly with envy. This is pure slutshaming for me. I think that season 2 was too ipocrite with the initial message and i hate the way Cassie has been represented. The narrative is really too ambiguous with her, because it begans to make her look like a ridiculous villain instead of a more real and complex character. We have all forgive Rue, even though she had ruined her family's life, she used to be manipulative and a liar, because she was obviously hurt. And likewise happens with every other characters. So why people can't even try to empathize a little with what Cassie is going through? This seems kinda misogyny to me...ops
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  727.  @litneyloxan  Honestly, I think that all this hate for Cassie is really messy and toxic... The main message of the show is literally " we all make bad decision, but nonetheless we're able to improve ourself. We should be less judicious towards others and ourself". But most people apply this message on everyone but Cassie. We all know Cassie has her fair share of mistakes, but its so overlooked that Nate is a manipulative person, not just with Maddy. We should remember that Cassie was deeply depressed and fragile, she felt empty and lonely, i personally think that Nate took advantage of her vulnerability to forget his feelings. I cant understand how so many people underestimate his influence on Cassie while Maddy has INCRIMINATED an INNOCENT person only to protect Nate. Also, i found the Lesley's play down straight cruel and humiliating to Cassie, because for me it was done with no particular moral intent, but mostly with envy. This is pure slutshaming for me. I think that season 2 was too ipocrite with the initial message and i hate the way Cassie has been represented. The narrative is really too ambiguous with her, because it begans to make her look like a ridiculous villain instead of a more real and complex character. We have all forgive Rue, even though she had ruined her family's life, she used to be manipulative and a liar, because she was obviously hurt. And likewise happens with every other characters. So why people can't even try to empathize a little with what Cassie is going through? This seems kinda misogyny to me...ops
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  728.  @I_WILL_ALWAYS_LOVE_YOU  Honestly, I think that all this hate for Cassie is really messy and toxic... The main message of the show is literally " we all make bad decision, but nonetheless we're able to improve ourself. We should be less judicious towards others and ourself". But most people apply this message on everyone but Cassie. We all know Cassie has her fair share of mistakes, but its so overlooked that Nate is a manipulative person, not just with Maddy. We should remember that Cassie was deeply depressed and fragile, she felt empty and lonely, i personally think that Nate took advantage of her vulnerability to forget his feelings. I cant understand how so many people underestimate his influence on Cassie while Maddy has INCRIMINATED an INNOCENT person only to protect Nate. Also, i found the Lesley's play down straight cruel and humiliating to Cassie, because for me it was done with no particular moral intent, but mostly with envy. This is pure slutshaming for me. I think that season 2 was too ipocrite with the initial message and i hate the way Cassie has been represented. The narrative is really too ambiguous with her, because it begans to make her look like a ridiculous villain instead of a more real and complex character. We have all forgive Rue, even though she had ruined her family's life, she used to be manipulative and a liar, because she was obviously hurt. And likewise happens with every other characters. So why people can't even try to empathize a little with what Cassie is going through? This seems kinda misogyny to me...ops
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  729.  @dielicagold  Honestly, I think that all this hate for Cassie is really messy and toxic... The main message of the show is literally " we all make bad decision, but nonetheless we're able to improve ourself. We should be less judicious towards others and ourself". But most people apply this message on everyone but Cassie. We all know Cassie has her fair share of mistakes, but its so overlooked that Nate is a manipulative person, not just with Maddy. We should remember that Cassie was deeply depressed and fragile, she felt empty and lonely, i personally think that Nate took advantage of her vulnerability to forget his feelings. I cant understand how so many people underestimate his influence on Cassie while Maddy has INCRIMINATED an INNOCENT person only to protect Nate. Also, i found the Lesley's play down straight cruel and humiliating to Cassie, because for me it was done with no particular moral intent, but mostly with envy. This is pure slutshaming for me. I think that season 2 was too ipocrite with the initial message and i hate the way Cassie has been represented. The narrative is really too ambiguous with her, because it begans to make her look like a ridiculous villain instead of a more real and complex character. We have all forgive Rue, even though she had ruined her family's life, she used to be manipulative and a liar, because she was obviously hurt. And likewise happens with every other characters. So why people can't even try to empathize a little with what Cassie is going through? This seems kinda misogyny to me...ops
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  730.  @purplezombie4940  Honestly, I think that all this hate for Cassie is really messy and toxic... The main message of the show is literally " we all make bad decision, but nonetheless we're able to improve ourself. We should be less judicious towards others and ourself". But most people apply this message on everyone but Cassie. We all know Cassie has her fair share of mistakes, but its so overlooked that Nate is a manipulative person, not just with Maddy. We should remember that Cassie was deeply depressed and fragile, she felt empty and lonely, i personally think that Nate took advantage of her vulnerability to forget his feelings. I cant understand how so many people underestimate his influence on Cassie while Maddy has INCRIMINATED an INNOCENT person only to protect Nate. Also, i found the Lesley's play down straight cruel and humiliating to Cassie, because for me it was done with no particular moral intent, but mostly with envy. This is pure slutshaming for me. I think that season 2 was too ipocrite with the initial message and i hate the way Cassie has been represented. The narrative is really too ambiguous with her, because it begans to make her look like a ridiculous villain instead of a more real and complex character. We have all forgive Rue, even though she had ruined her family's life, she used to be manipulative and a liar, because she was obviously hurt. And likewise happens with every other characters. So why people can't even try to empathize a little with what Cassie is going through? This seems kinda misogyny to me...ops
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  731.  @erincarlsen  Honestly, I think that all this hate for Cassie is really messy and toxic... The main message of the show is literally " we all make bad decision, but nonetheless we're able to improve ourself. We should be less judicious towards others and ourself". But most people apply this message on everyone but Cassie. We all know Cassie has her fair share of mistakes, but its so overlooked that Nate is a manipulative person, not just with Maddy. We should remember that Cassie was deeply depressed and fragile, she felt empty and lonely, i personally think that Nate took advantage of her vulnerability to forget his feelings. I cant understand how so many people underestimate his influence on Cassie while Maddy has INCRIMINATED an INNOCENT person only to protect Nate. Also, i found the Lesley's play down straight cruel and humiliating to Cassie, because for me it was done with no particular moral intent, but mostly with envy. This is pure slutshaming for me. I think that season 2 was too ipocrite with the initial message and i hate the way Cassie has been represented. The narrative is really too ambiguous with her, because it begans to make her look like a ridiculous villain instead of a more real and complex character. We have all forgive Rue, even though she had ruined her family's life, she used to be manipulative and a liar, because she was obviously hurt. And likewise happens with every other characters. So why people can't even try to empathize a little with what Cassie is going through? This seems kinda misogyny to me...ops
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  732.  @samf.s8786  The thing here is that both Cassie and Maddy are desperate for male approval. They both have poor female role models in their life, which leads them to believe that a female can only achieve happiness through a man. Mady portrays reckless behavior, Nate knows how to trigger her and she always gives in. They are simply different versions of insecurities in a female. However, men have them too, girls are just more vocal about it.
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  733.  @Irene-mk3rx  Honestly, I think that all this hate for Cassie is really messy and toxic... The main message of the show is literally " we all make bad decision, but nonetheless we're able to improve ourself. We should be less judicious towards others and ourself". But most people apply this message on everyone but Cassie. We all know Cassie has her fair share of mistakes, but its so overlooked that Nate is a manipulative person, not just with Maddy. We should remember that Cassie was deeply depressed and fragile, she felt empty and lonely, i personally think that Nate took advantage of her vulnerability to forget his feelings. I cant understand how so many people underestimate his influence on Cassie while Maddy has INCRIMINATED an INNOCENT person only to protect Nate. Also, i found the Lesley's play down straight cruel and humiliating to Cassie, because for me it was done with no particular moral intent, but mostly with envy. This is pure slutshaming for me. I think that season 2 was too ipocrite with the initial message and i hate the way Cassie has been represented. The narrative is really too ambiguous with her, because it begans to make her look like a ridiculous villain instead of a more real and complex character. We have all forgive Rue, even though she had ruined her family's life, she used to be manipulative and a liar, because she was obviously hurt. And likewise happens with every other characters. So why people can't even try to empathize a little with what Cassie is going through? This seems kinda misogyny to me...ops
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  734. Japanese culture as a whole can be very repressive . They are taught from very young age to "suck it up" and don't show any kind of rebellion, opinion , basically any kind of emotion . It's kind of a "Mechanical" do you work and go home and be repressed at home as well. Don't talk about it or even broach the subject. Explains high Suicide rate over there !!! They may technologically advanced but at great Human emotional Sacrifice!!!
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  735. Honestly, I think that all this hate for Cassie is really messy and toxic... The main message of the show is literally " we all make bad decision, but nonetheless we're able to improve ourself. We should be less judicious towards others and ourself". But most people apply this message on everyone but Cassie. We all know Cassie has her fair share of mistakes, but its so overlooked that Nate is a manipulative person, not just with Maddy. We should remember that Cassie was deeply depressed and fragile, she felt empty and lonely, i personally think that Nate took advantage of her vulnerability to forget his feelings. I cant understand how so many people underestimate his influence on Cassie while Maddy has INCRIMINATED an INNOCENT person only to protect Nate. Also, i found the Lesley's play down straight cruel and humiliating to Cassie, because for me it was done with no particular moral intent, but mostly with envy. This is pure slutshaming for me. I think that season 2 was too ipocrite with the initial message and i hate the way Cassie has been represented. The narrative is really too ambiguous with her, because it begans to make her look like a ridiculous villain instead of a more real and complex character. We have all forgive Rue, even though she had ruined her family's life, she used to be manipulative and a liar, because she was obviously hurt. And likewise happens with every other characters. So why people can't even try to empathize a little with what Cassie is going through? This seems kinda misogyny to me...ops
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  736. @Lee Ara I think the argument is too black and white. Either its all female voodoo or a girly with an apes bod. Women don't need muscle to be strong, but they need more than a body to be a good character. I think Arcane does a spectacular job at writing women who are people before their gender. For instance the punching Powerhouse Vi, who beats the shit out of people. She punches before she thinks, but thats not because she's an angry feminist... she grew up in an environment where you had to fight to survive. Plus, she was in charge of her ragtag siblings, prepped to be a leader by her adoptive father. The difference is that seducing people and then beating them up won't really work for the problems she faces. So, conditions effect character. Black windows tactic works with the conditions of a modern world, and kinda points out the flaws in the men she seduces rather than her seducing. The problem is that marvel is trying to appeal more to kids so they gotta water down characters a bit. She's a morally grey character and that's why she's cool. It's not about being more manly because men exist in different conditions. I think if we want to see a more human side to black window, they could maybe show how she feels about her tactic, make her get fed up and lash out because changing the character without confronting the conditioned behavior washes away the humanity.
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  737. I don't want to excuse Cassie for what she did, but people seem to be so desensitized with Nate and think he's only doing what's expected of him that they end up forgetting that he's the biggest problem here. Realistically, I would react the same way Maddie did, because Cassie broke her trust and if someone you bonded with so much just broke your trust and got with your ex-ABUSIVE boyfriend, that would deeply hurt you, but Nate needs to take responsibility for his actions as well, not just Cassie. He ain't even facing any consequences despite being so much of a jack-ass. He only got beaten once meanwhile Cassie always needs to take blame even before this entire incident. Plus, people seem to forget about Cassie's passion for ice skating. Instead of making season 2 about her trying to find herself after all the heartbreak, regaining her love for ice skating and pursuing it. I know that putting her together with Nate creates more drama, making it more interesting to viewers and that's what they want, but it's also kinda demeaning to Cassie as a person. I'm being way too invested but like I'm just kinda sad, I wanted Cassie to grow but her world only fell apart, and yes she did questionable things in the past, I don't excuse any of her wrongdoings but the point is wanting to see her grow and since she's literally just a character so I believe they could have molded her differently. Also like someone said, her true love doesn't have to be a man, it could be anyone, it doesn't have to be romantic. As long as it helps her grow and uplifts her, helps her become a better person, then that's who you can consider her true love. It's so sad to see Maddie and Cassie pitted against each other; "Bitch you're my soulmate"😭😭😭
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  738. Let me go against the grain here with regards to the popular opinion in the comment section. There is nothing degrading about being a sex worker, sex work does not make you a lesser person or less educated and while you might end up being on the internet forever, as long as society doesn't judge you, that shouldn't be a big deal. Would I want my child (daughter OR SON) doing this stuff? No. Why? I don't trust some of the higher ups in these industries. Some of these people are shady and treat women particularly like crap. But that could improve and has made significant progress as more women started to take control. My second main reason is the misogyny my daughter would face by both men AND women (including Feminists) for simply recording and distributing something that most people do. Some of these women, maybe not in Japan but in America and Europe, make ridiculous amounts of money by simply showing the physical intimacy I their monogamous relationship between themselves and their partner. They're doing the same things they'd do, just recording and distributing it for tens of thousands to hundreds of thousands of dollars. Why does this affect them with regards to how they are perceived? Why should this affect them with regards to getting a job or running for office? How are they inherently bad people because they filmed themselves f*ck?
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  739. I love cassies character. Maybe I haven't seen a lot of movies but I haven't seen a lot of characters with mental problems depicted like she is. Like it's either the sweet anxious/depressed girl or the completely crazy one that's practically a joke. It's good to see a character who's spiralling deeper and deeper beyond help, hurting people around her, unable to break out of her habits even when she wants to. I've had depression too and been there, I want her to get better next season of course but it's sill kind of validating to watch? Weirdly enough. And I don't really mind the ppl who are angry with her, ppl aren't supposed to accommodate u just becuz you're mentally ill. U hv to clean up ur own shiet. And I like how even her family doesn't like her, like that's very real, you really can't expect anything when you're unstable. tbh
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  740. I'm a Singaporean, i can tell u what my friends says that if u are single, u wish you are married. But when u are married, u wish u were single again. The grass is always greener on the other side
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  741. First study (By Family Studies): shows a drop from 73% to about 65% if you have 2 other partners prior to marriage, but then essentially stays at that level through up to 10 previous partners. But what does that prove since the vast majority of men AND women in western society have had sex with multiple partners by the time they married AND marriages NOW are taking place much later. So, did this study control for the age of the women? Did the study control for religiosity since women marrying with no previous sex partners may have had arranged marriages. I'm not convinced at all (from the graph alone) that the study methodology is convincing that there is a difference between no pre-marital partners and TEN pre-marital partners. :). Looking at the second study (Family Study; 5 year prediction of divorce by number of people spouses slept with prior to marriage). I'm in the biz of sociology/psychology so am reasonably familiar with research. I don't have the actual study in front of me, but the graph alone is problematic. Notice how you go from 5% chance of divorce if 0 previous partners jumping to 20% if 1 previous partner, then 30% if 2 previous partners, but then after that, an actual drop off to 25% if you've had 10 or more partners pre-marriage! So if pre-marital sex with others is a factor there should be a consistent rise on the x/y axes (if 1-2 makes a difference, then even more should make more difference). But that's not shown here, so I'm not convinced that this study has proven anything.
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  742.  @leelen2907  tbh, it already happens here in the US, Roe v Wade has been overturned, meaning that women in red states can not get an abortion, and soon the right-wings will aim for contraceptives too, meaning women cant have casual sex either lol
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  743.  @Sapanator  First study (By Family Studies): shows a drop from 73% to about 65% if you have 2 other partners prior to marriage, but then essentially stays at that level through up to 10 previous partners. But what does that prove since the vast majority of men AND women in western society have had sex with multiple partners by the time they married AND marriages NOW are taking place much later. So, did this study control for the age of the women? Did the study control for religiosity since women marrying with no previous sex partners may have had arranged marriages. I'm not convinced at all (from the graph alone) that the study methodology is convincing that there is a difference between no pre-marital partners and TEN pre-marital partners. :). Looking at the second study (Family Study; 5 year prediction of divorce by number of people spouses slept with prior to marriage). I'm in the biz of sociology/psychology so am reasonably familiar with research. I don't have the actual study in front of me, but the graph alone is problematic. Notice how you go from 5% chance of divorce if 0 previous partners jumping to 20% if 1 previous partner, then 30% if 2 previous partners, but then after that, an actual drop off to 25% if you've had 10 or more partners pre-marriage! So if pre-marital sex with others is a factor there should be a consistent rise on the x/y axes (if 1-2 makes a difference, then even more should make more difference). But that's not shown here, so I'm not convinced that this study has proven anything.
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  744.  @haselbasil2488  3:20 I'm sorry but this graph is complete BS. It doesnt show how many women/men are in each of the "how many partners" groups, this could explain why it goes up after 4 partners then down and then up again. It is also obvious that you are more happy if you only ever had one partner, because you dont have any comparison to another relationship. It would also be important to know how the question was phrased...if it was just like "Are you happy in your marriage?" then there is no correlation to the number of partners they had, because the reason for their unhappiness in the moment they were asked could be anything
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  745.  @haselbasil2488  i agree with this 100%
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  746. yes indeed
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  747. i agree with this 100%
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  748. Let me go against the grain here with regards to the popular opinion in the comment section. There is nothing degrading about being a sex worker, sex work does not make you a lesser person or less educated and while you might end up being on the internet forever, as long as society doesn't judge you, that shouldn't be a big deal. Would I want my child (daughter OR SON) doing this stuff? No. Why? I don't trust some of the higher ups in these industries. Some of these people are shady and treat women particularly like crap. But that could improve and has made significant progress as more women started to take control. My second main reason is the misogyny my daughter would face by both men AND women (including Feminists) for simply recording and distributing something that most people do. Some of these women, maybe not in Japan but in America and Europe, make ridiculous amounts of money by simply showing the physical intimacy I their monogamous relationship between themselves and their partner. They're doing the same things they'd do, just recording and distributing it for tens of thousands to hundreds of thousands of dollars. Why does this affect them with regards to how they are perceived? Why should this affect them with regards to getting a job or running for office? How are they inherently bad people because they filmed themselves f*ck?
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  749. Some comments make me wonder what would they say if instead of a daughter, it was a son. Even this father, like, if he had a son who is a pronstar, would he be in this video? I've read a lot of people talking about how ashamed female pronstars should be, but when it comes to male, it's totally different, i've even seen people joking about how every men's dream job is to become a pronstar from age 13. Imo, both can be good or bad, of course, it is more common to have women being degraded in pron videos, even if it is a vanilla one, but i'm sure that there are bad sides for any gender. At least, there are people trying to change this scenario, maybe one day people will stop saying so many bad things about women who want to and work as pronstars, and just think that they chose this job, because they like it.
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  750.  @user-wx4nv8xr3d  Every job has its own risks and enjoyment. They too enjoy their porn careers instead of doing it out of desperation and as an easy way to earn money, times have changed, and people are getting more open-minded because they see porn as an art. There are also pornstars who plan an exit strategy even before they apply to a porn company. they get in and make huge bucks for 2 or 3 years (insane amounts of cash). then they move on with their lives. needless to say, they must be studying in colleges or doing something else alongside instead of just porn. many strippers and hustlers follow this exit strategy plan also. More than anything. Pornstars are people who for their passion have survived the criticism of the whole world. They went to follow their passion which gave them more satisfaction. There is also a huge online market of porn industries so why should they be ashamed of entering into that if that gives them satisfaction and money. I beg to differ with all people who oppose porn that you should really not watch it if you do not want to but the whole world is out there at night to watch. How are you going to control them?
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  751.  @trinsit  she can do whatever she wants. im so sick of this oh but the parents and imagine how he feels after raising her. he raised her to her own person and needs to deal with it. stop shaming kids and making them feel bad for doing something they think is best. The way they shame s3x workers is disgusting
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  752.  @loganblackwood2922  First study (By Family Studies): shows a drop from 73% to about 65% if you have 2 other partners prior to marriage, but then essentially stays at that level through up to 10 previous partners. But what does that prove since the vast majority of men AND women in western society have had sex with multiple partners by the time they married AND marriages NOW are taking place much later. So, did this study control for the age of the women? Did the study control for religiosity since women marrying with no previous sex partners may have had arranged marriages. I'm not convinced at all (from the graph alone) that the study methodology is convincing that there is a difference between no pre-marital partners and TEN pre-marital partners. :). Looking at the second study (Family Study; 5 year prediction of divorce by number of people spouses slept with prior to marriage). I'm in the biz of sociology/psychology so am reasonably familiar with research. I don't have the actual study in front of me, but the graph alone is problematic. Notice how you go from 5% chance of divorce if 0 previous partners jumping to 20% if 1 previous partner, then 30% if 2 previous partners, but then after that, an actual drop off to 25% if you've had 10 or more partners pre-marriage! So if pre-marital sex with others is a factor there should be a consistent rise on the x/y axes (if 1-2 makes a difference, then even more should make more difference). But that's not shown here, so I'm not convinced that this study has proven anything.
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  753. Being a single woman and getting old. In my opinion, marriage or even a relationship isn't for everybody. Too many people made to believe it is.
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  754. me too man
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  755.  @terriquinlan7683  I think the argument is too black and white. Either its all female voodoo or a girly with an apes bod. Women don't need muscle to be strong, but they need more than a body to be a good character. I think Arcane does a spectacular job at writing women who are people before their gender. For instance the punching Powerhouse Vi, who beats the shit out of people. She punches before she thinks, but thats not because she's an angry feminist... she grew up in an environment where you had to fight to survive. Plus, she was in charge of her ragtag siblings, prepped to be a leader by her adoptive father. The difference is that seducing people and then beating them up won't really work for the problems she faces. So, conditions effect character. Black windows tactic works with the conditions of a modern world, and kinda points out the flaws in the men she seduces rather than her seducing. The problem is that marvel is trying to appeal more to kids so they gotta water down characters a bit. She's a morally grey character and that's why she's cool. It's not about being more manly because men exist in different conditions. I think if we want to see a more human side to black window, they could maybe show how she feels about her tactic, make her get fed up and lash out because changing the character without confronting the conditioned behavior washes away the humanity.
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  756.  @terriquinlan7683  "black widows are literally meant to be sexy huhdeduh" is just an impressive lack of historical knowledge. Black widows were just the name for female suicide bombers in the soviet nations (origin Chechen terrorists). Had nothing to do with looks. They were called widows because they more often than not, were the widow of a terrorist.
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  757.  @terriquinlan7683  yeah, but the MAJORITY of comments here kept saying that phrase, its annoying AF tbh
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  758. First study (By Family Studies): shows a drop from 73% to about 65% if you have 2 other partners prior to marriage, but then essentially stays at that level through up to 10 previous partners. But what does that prove since the vast majority of men AND women in western society have had sex with multiple partners by the time they married AND marriages NOW are taking place much later. So, did this study control for the age of the women? Did the study control for religiosity since women marrying with no previous sex partners may have had arranged marriages. I'm not convinced at all (from the graph alone) that the study methodology is convincing that there is a difference between no pre-marital partners and TEN pre-marital partners. :). Looking at the second study (Family Study; 5 year prediction of divorce by number of people spouses slept with prior to marriage). I'm in the biz of sociology/psychology so am reasonably familiar with research. I don't have the actual study in front of me, but the graph alone is problematic. Notice how you go from 5% chance of divorce if 0 previous partners jumping to 20% if 1 previous partner, then 30% if 2 previous partners, but then after that, an actual drop off to 25% if you've had 10 or more partners pre-marriage! So if pre-marital sex with others is a factor there should be a consistent rise on the x/y axes (if 1-2 makes a difference, then even more should make more difference). But that's not shown here, so I'm not convinced that this study has proven anything.
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  759. i agree with this 100%
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  760. Japanese culture as a whole can be very repressive . They are taught from very young age to "suck it up" and don't show any kind of rebellion, opinion , basically any kind of emotion . It's kind of a "Mechanical" do you work and go home and be repressed at home as well. Don't talk about it or even broach the subject. Explains high Suicide rate over there !!! They may technologically advanced but at great Human emotional Sacrifice!!!
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  761. Let me go against the grain here with regards to the popular opinion in the comment section. There is nothing degrading about being a sex worker, sex work does not make you a lesser person or less educated and while you might end up being on the internet forever, as long as society doesn't judge you, that shouldn't be a big deal. Would I want my child (daughter OR SON) doing this stuff? No. Why? I don't trust some of the higher ups in these industries. Some of these people are shady and treat women particularly like crap. But that could improve and has made significant progress as more women started to take control. My second main reason is the misogyny my daughter would face by both men AND women (including Feminists) for simply recording and distributing something that most people do. Some of these women, maybe not in Japan but in America and Europe, make ridiculous amounts of money by simply showing the physical intimacy I their monogamous relationship between themselves and their partner. They're doing the same things they'd do, just recording and distributing it for tens of thousands to hundreds of thousands of dollars. Why does this affect them with regards to how they are perceived? Why should this affect them with regards to getting a job or running for office? How are they inherently bad people because they filmed themselves f*ck?
    1
  762. I love cassies character. Maybe I haven't seen a lot of movies but I haven't seen a lot of characters with mental problems depicted like she is. Like it's either the sweet anxious/depressed girl or the completely crazy one that's practically a joke. It's good to see a character who's spiralling deeper and deeper beyond help, hurting people around her, unable to break out of her habits even when she wants to. I've had depression too and been there, I want her to get better next season of course but it's sill kind of validating to watch? Weirdly enough. And I don't really mind the ppl who are angry with her, ppl aren't supposed to accommodate u just becuz you're mentally ill. U hv to clean up ur own shiet. And I like how even her family doesn't like her, like that's very real, you really can't expext anything when you're unstable. tbh
    1
  763. I love cassies character. Maybe I haven't seen a lot of movies but I haven't seen a lot of characters with mental problems depicted like she is. Like it's either the sweet anxious/depressed girl or the completely crazy one that's practically a joke. It's good to see a character who's spiralling deeper and deeper beyond help, hurting people around her, unable to break out of her habits even when she wants to. I've had depression too and been there, I want her to get better next season of course but it's sill kind of validating to watch? Weirdly enough. And I don't really mind the ppl who are angry with her, ppl aren't supposed to accommodate u just becuz you're mentally ill. U hv to clean up ur own shiet. And I like how even her family doesn't like her, like that's very real, you really can't expext anything when you're unstable.
    1
  764. Honestly, I think that all this hate for Cassie is really messy and toxic... The main message of the show is literally " we all make bad decision, but nonetheless we're able to improve ourself. We should be less judicious towards others and ourself". But most people apply this message on everyone but Cassie. We all know Cassie has her fair share of mistakes, but its so overlooked that Nate is a manipulative person, not just with Maddy. We should remember that Cassie was deeply depressed and fragile, she felt empty and lonely, i personally think that Nate took advantage of her vulnerability to forget his feelings. I cant understand how so many people underestimate his influence on Cassie while Maddy has INCRIMINATED an INNOCENT person only to protect Nate. Also, i found the Lesley's play down straight cruel and humiliating to Cassie, because for me it was done with no particular moral intent, but mostly with envy. This is pure slutshaming for me. I think that season 2 was too ipocrite with the initial message and i hate the way Cassie has been represented. The narrative is really too ambiguous with her, because it begans to make her look like a ridiculous villain instead of a more real and complex character. We have all forgive Rue, even though she had ruined her family's life, she used to be manipulative and a liar, because she was obviously hurt. And likewise happens with every other characters. So why people can't even try to empathize a little with what Cassie is going through? This seems kinda misogyny to me...ops
    1
  765. I love cassies character. Maybe I haven't seen a lot of movies but I haven't seen a lot of characters with mental problems depicted like she is. Like it's either the sweet anxious/depressed girl or the completely crazy one that's practically a joke. It's good to see a character who's spiralling deeper and deeper beyond help, hurting people around her, unable to break out of her habits even when she wants to. I've had depression too and been there, I want her to get better next season of course but it's sill kind of validating to watch? Weirdly enough. And I don't really mind the ppl who are angry with her, ppl aren't supposed to accommodate u just becuz you're mentally ill. U hv to clean up ur own shiet. And I like how even her family doesn't like her, like that's very real, you really can't expext anything when you're unstable.
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  766. The part about how actually relatable Cassie's behavior is to young girl's is true for some people. I've seen this behavior but also amongst grown-ups. I've done this myself to some degree but I could never loose myself for someone else. A bit like Maddy but not completely. Which is why I am so disappointed at Cassie but still gets her. And it's often because of this patriarchal society brainwashing everyone, with an uterus, to behave that way while at the same time shaming us for doing it too. Damn if you do, damn if you don't. And it does tells us, no matter what gender, to loose ourselves into this one person because that's true love. No that's what's called toxic monogamy.
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  767. Honestly, I think that all this hate for Cassie is really messy and toxic... The main message of the show is literally " we all make bad decision, but nonetheless we're able to improve ourself. We should be less judicious towards others and ourself". But most people apply this message on everyone but Cassie. We all know Cassie has her fair share of mistakes, but its so overlooked that Nate is a manipulative person, not just with Maddy. We should remember that Cassie was deeply depressed and fragile, she felt empty and lonely, i personally think that Nate took advantage of her vulnerability to forget his feelings. I cant understand how so many people underestimate his influence on Cassie while Maddy has INCRIMINATED an INNOCENT person only to protect Nate. Also, i found the Lesley's play down straight cruel and humiliating to Cassie, because for me it was done with no particular moral intent, but mostly with envy. This is pure slutshaming for me. I think that season 2 was too ipocrite with the initial message and i hate the way Cassie has been represented. The narrative is really too ambiguous with her, because it begans to make her look like a ridiculous villain instead of a more real and complex character. We have all forgive Rue, even though she had ruined her family's life, she used to be manipulative and a liar, because she was obviously hurt. And likewise happens with every other characters. So why people can't even try to empathize a little with what Cassie is going through? This seems kinda misogyny to me...ops
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  768. Btw, whats your opinion on Jenny from Forrest Gump as a character ? She is also a flawed female character that get hated a lot for the way she treated Forrest, but Idc what anybody says, Jenny is my favorite character because i can empathize with her due to her upbringing, there is more to her than meets the eye, same goes for character like her, Bojack Horseman, you can find their actions intolerable and still empathize with them, abusive upbringing can damage a person's mind drastically.
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  769.  @manganime1893  i agree with this 100%. People will hate female characters who cheat on their husbands more than literal genocidal killers lmao🤣. Especially male audience, they can get REALLY MISOGYNISTIC.
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  770.  @abbied  your welcome 🥰
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  771. Some comments make me wonder what would they say if instead of a daughter, it was a son. Even this father, like, if he had a son who is a pronstar, would he be in this video? I've read a lot of people talking about how ashamed female pronstars should be, but when it comes to male, it's totally different, i've even seen people joking about how every men's dream job is to become a pronstar from age 13. Imo, both can be good or bad, of course, it is more common to have women being degraded in pron videos, even if it is a vanilla one, but i'm sure that there are bad sides for any gender. At least, there are people trying to change this scenario, maybe one day people will stop saying so many bad things about women who want to and work as pronstars, and just think that they chose this job, because they like it.
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  772.  @logiconlyzone  I don’t know if it’s because I’m a westerner or not but I honestly don’t see why people get so upset about it. A lot of people are quick to shame the porn actors/actresses for doing it but yet those same people that are doing the shaming watch porn themselves. How else do people come across the knowledge of those in the porn industry? (Besides having someone send it to you but then how did they find it? Hhhmm??) Yes I can see it being uncomfortable coming across but don’t treat them like dirt cuz it made you uncomfortable. In my opinion it shouldn’t matter unless it was against their will, aren’t adults and if it was life threatening.
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  773.  @logiconlyzone  Let me go against the grain here with regards to the popular opinion in the comment section. There is nothing degrading about being a sex worker, sex work does not make you a lesser person or less educated and while you might end up being on the internet forever, as long as society doesn't judge you, that shouldn't be a big deal. Would I want my child (daughter OR SON) doing this stuff? No. Why? I don't trust some of the higher ups in these industries. Some of these people are shady and treat women particularly like crap. But that could improve and has made significant progress as more women started to take control. My second main reason is the misogyny my daughter would face by both men AND women (including Feminists) for simply recording and distributing something that most people do. Some of these women, maybe not in Japan but in America and Europe, make ridiculous amounts of money by simply showing the physical intimacy I their monogamous relationship between themselves and their partner. They're doing the same things they'd do, just recording and distributing it for tens of thousands to hundreds of thousands of dollars. Why does this affect them with regards to how they are perceived? Why should this affect them with regards to getting a job or running for office? How are they inherently bad people because they filmed themselves f*ck?
    1
  774.  @logiconlyzone  Every job has its own risks and enjoyment. They too enjoy their porn careers instead of doing it out of desperation and as an easy way to earn money, times have changed, and people are getting more open-minded because they see porn as an art. There are also pornstars who plan an exit strategy even before they apply to a porn company. they get in and make huge bucks for 2 or 3 years (insane amounts of cash). then they move on with their lives. needless to say, they must be studying in colleges or doing something else alongside instead of just porn. many strippers and hustlers follow this exit strategy plan also. More than anything. Pornstars are people who for their passion have survived the criticism of the whole world. They went to follow their passion which gave them more satisfaction. There is also a huge online market of porn industries so why should they be ashamed of entering into that if that gives them satisfaction and money. I beg to differ with all people who oppose porn that you should really not watch it if you do not want to but the whole world is out there at night to watch. How are you going to control them?
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  775. Honestly, I think that all this hate for Cassie is really messy and toxic... The main message of the show is literally " we all make bad decision, but nonetheless we're able to improve ourself. We should be less judicious towards others and ourself". But most people apply this message on everyone but Cassie. We all know Cassie has her fair share of mistakes, but its so overlooked that Nate is a manipulative person, not just with Maddy. We should remember that Cassie was deeply depressed and fragile, she felt empty and lonely, i personally think that Nate took advantage of her vulnerability to forget his feelings. I cant understand how so many people underestimate his influence on Cassie while Maddy has INCRIMINATED an INNOCENT person only to protect Nate. Also, i found the Lesley's play down straight cruel and humiliating to Cassie, because for me it was done with no particular moral intent, but mostly with envy. This is pure slutshaming for me. I think that season 2 was too ipocrite with the initial message and i hate the way Cassie has been represented. The narrative is really too ambiguous with her, because it begans to make her look like a ridiculous villain instead of a more real and complex character. We have all forgive Rue, even though she had ruined her family's life, she used to be manipulative and a liar, because she was obviously hurt. And likewise happens with every other characters. So why people can't even try to empathize a little with what Cassie is going through? This seems kinda misogyny to me...ops
    1
  776. Let me go against the grain here with regards to the popular opinion in the comment section. There is nothing degrading about being a sex worker, sex work does not make you a lesser person or less educated and while you might end up being on the internet forever, as long as society doesn't judge you, that shouldn't be a big deal. Would I want my child (daughter OR SON) doing this stuff? No. Why? I don't trust some of the higher ups in these industries. Some of these people are shady and treat women particularly like crap. But that could improve and has made significant progress as more women started to take control. My second main reason is the misogyny my daughter would face by both men AND women (including Feminists) for simply recording and distributing something that most people do. Some of these women, maybe not in Japan but in America and Europe, make ridiculous amounts of money by simply showing the physical intimacy I their monogamous relationship between themselves and their partner. They're doing the same things they'd do, just recording and distributing it for tens of thousands to hundreds of thousands of dollars. Why does this affect them with regards to how they are perceived? Why should this affect them with regards to getting a job or running for office? How are they inherently bad people because they filmed themselves f*ck?
    1
  777.  @FuerFelix  Some comments make me wonder what would they say if instead of a daughter, it was a son. Even this father, like, if he had a son who is a pronstar, would he be in this video? I've read a lot of people talking about how ashamed female pronstars should be, but when it comes to male, it's totally different, i've even seen people joking about how every men's dream job is to become a pronstar from age 13. Imo, both can be good or bad, of course, it is more common to have women being degraded in pron videos, even if it is a vanilla one, but i'm sure that there are bad sides for any gender. At least, there are people trying to change this scenario, maybe one day people will stop saying so many bad things about women who want to and work as pronstars, and just think that they chose this job, because they like it.
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  778.  @FuerFelix  My opinion on this is, if you're ok with men watching porn or if you're watching porn yourself, its actually quite hypocritical to be ashamed of your own daughter/mother/sister doing porn. Maybe we should put all the shame around it aside and accept that there are always people willing to have sex in exchange for money and always people who are willing to pay for sex.
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  779. I love cassies character. Maybe I haven't seen a lot of movies but I haven't seen a lot of characters with mental problems depicted like she is. Like it's either the sweet anxious/depressed girl or the completely crazy one that's practically a joke. It's good to see a character who's spiralling deeper and deeper beyond help, hurting people around her, unable to break out of her habits even when she wants to. I've had depression too and been there, I want her to get better next season of course but it's sill kind of validating to watch? Weirdly enough. And I don't really mind the ppl who are angry with her, ppl aren't supposed to accommodate u just becuz you're mentally ill. U hv to clean up ur own shiet. And I like how even her family doesn't like her, like that's very real, you really can't expext anything when you're unstable.
    1
  780. very job has its own risks and enjoyment. They too enjoy their porn careers instead of doing it out of desperation and as an easy way to earn money, times have changed, and people are getting more open-minded because they see porn as an art. There are also pornstars who plan an exit strategy even before they apply to a porn company. they get in and make huge bucks for 2 or 3 years (insane amounts of cash). then they move on with their lives. needless to say, they must be studying in colleges or doing something else alongside instead of just porn. many strippers and hustlers follow this exit strategy plan also. More than anything. Pornstars are people who for their passion have survived the criticism of the whole world. They went to follow their passion which gave them more satisfaction. There is also a huge online market of porn industries so why should they be ashamed of entering into that if that gives them satisfaction and money. I beg to differ with all people who oppose porn that you should really not watch it if you do not want to but the whole world is out there at night to watch. How are you going to control them? Thank you for reading.
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  781.  @lapissed9620  It's so weird to me that a country as open sexually as Japan is would have such a hard time accepting sex when it's someone they know. I don't have any issue of a family member wanted to join the sex industry. The industry you choose doesn't matter. What matters is how well you run your business, if you're paying your bills, and if what you're doing brings you joy. Rubbing bodies together is not a shame. Bad sex is a shame. Getting caught in debt traps is a shame. Not knowing how to provide for yourself or how to adapt to do something different and or better is a shame. Sex as an industry shouldn't be a shame.
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  782. Honestly, I think that all this hate for Cassie is really messy and toxic... The main message of the show is literally " we all make bad decision, but nonetheless we're able to improve ourself. We should be less judicious towards others and ourself". But most people apply this message on everyone but Cassie. We all know Cassie has her fair share of mistakes, but its so overlooked that Nate is a manipulative person, not just with Maddy. We should remember that Cassie was deeply depressed and fragile, she felt empty and lonely, i personally think that Nate took advantage of her vulnerability to forget his feelings. I cant understand how so many people underestimate his influence on Cassie while Maddy has INCRIMINATED an INNOCENT person only to protect Nate. Also, i found the Lesley's play down straight cruel and humiliating to Cassie, because for me it was done with no particular moral intent, but mostly with envy. This is pure slutshaming for me. I think that season 2 was too ipocrite with the initial message and i hate the way Cassie has been represented. The narrative is really too ambiguous with her, because it begans to make her look like a ridiculous villain instead of a more real and complex character. We have all forgive Rue, even though she had ruined her family's life, she used to be manipulative and a liar, because she was obviously hurt. And likewise happens with every other characters. So why people can't even try to empathize a little with what Cassie is going through? This seems kinda misogyny to me...ops
    1
  783. I love cassies character. Maybe I haven't seen a lot of movies but I haven't seen a lot of characters with mental problems depicted like she is. Like it's either the sweet anxious/depressed girl or the completely crazy one that's practically a joke. It's good to see a character who's spiralling deeper and deeper beyond help, hurting people around her, unable to break out of her habits even when she wants to. I've had depression too and been there, I want her to get better next season of course but it's sill kind of validating to watch? Weirdly enough. And I don't really mind the ppl who are angry with her, ppl aren't supposed to accommodate u just becuz you're mentally ill. U hv to clean up ur own shiet. And I like how even her family doesn't like her, like that's very real, you really can't expect anything when you're unstable. tbh
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  784.  @bacht4799  https://youtu.be/lKvj8LMoH3A Here's a link to a video that explained her character in more details, probably the only one out there tbh
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  785.  @makeshift_battlefield_music  https://youtu.be/lKvj8LMoH3A Here's a link to a video that explained her character in more details, probably the only one out there tbh
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  786.  @byronmeir1240  https://youtu.be/lKvj8LMoH3A Here's a link to a video that explained her character in more details, probably the only one out there tbh
    1
  787.  @NoFirstNoLastName  https://youtu.be/lKvj8LMoH3A Here's a link to a video that explained her character in more details, probably the only one out there tbh
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  788.  @fivehundrediq5212  https://youtu.be/lKvj8LMoH3A Here's a link to a video that explained her character in more details, probably the only one out there tbh
    1
  789.  @Thespeedrap  https://youtu.be/lKvj8LMoH3A Here's a link to a video that explained her character in more details, probably the only one out there tbh
    1
  790.  @Rose-xy5pe  https://youtu.be/lKvj8LMoH3A Here's a link to a video that explained her character in more details, probably the only one out there tbh
    1
  791.  @slcRN1971  https://youtu.be/lKvj8LMoH3A Here's a link to a video that explained her character in more details, probably the only one out there tbh
    1
  792.  @imcallingjapan2178  https://youtu.be/lKvj8LMoH3A Here's a link to a video that explained her character in more details, probably the only one out there tbh
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  793.  @imcallingjapan2178  The only argument anyone could make is that she is a bad romantic partner and POSSIBLY took advantage of a disabled person, but seeing as Forrest is self aware of his own limitations, and the disabled community have constantly vouched that they are not lesser than, you can’t call her a villain. She is a victim of sexual abuse and is unaware of her disease when she finally sleeps with him. She marries him after finally accepting herself and getting her life together. Her worst act, in my opinion, is not telling him about his son but we don’t know if she felt she was doing the right thing by not pressuring him, only seeking help when she realizes her child will be alone. Jenny is imperfect, but she is not a villain.
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  794. There is nothing degrading about being a sex worker, sex work does not make you a lesser person or less educated and while you might end up being on the internet forever, as long as society doesn't judge you, that shouldn't be a big deal. Would I want my child (daughter OR SON) doing this stuff? No. Why? I don't trust some of the higher ups in these industries. Some of these people are shady and treat women particularly like crap. But that could improve and has made significant progress as more women started to take control. My second main reason is the misogyny my daughter would face by both men AND women (including Feminists) for simply recording and distributing something that most people do. Some of these women, maybe not in Japan but in America and Europe, make ridiculous amounts of money by simply showing the physical intimacy I their monogamous relationship between themselves and their partner. They're doing the same things they'd do, just recording and distributing it for tens of thousands to hundreds of thousands of dollars. Why does this affect them with regards to how they are perceived? Why should this affect them with regards to getting a job or running for office? How are they inherently bad people because they filmed themselves f*ck?
    1
  795. Honestly, I think that all this hate for Cassie is really messy and toxic... The main message of the show is literally " we all make bad decision, but nonetheless we're able to improve ourself. We should be less judicious towards others and ourself". But most people apply this message on everyone but Cassie. We all know Cassie has her fair share of mistakes, but its so overlooked that Nate is a manipulative person, not just with Maddy. We should remember that Cassie was deeply depressed and fragile, she felt empty and lonely, i personally think that Nate took advantage of her vulnerability to forget his feelings. I cant understand how so many people underestimate his influence on Cassie while Maddy has INCRIMINATED an INNOCENT person only to protect Nate. Also, i found the Lesley's play down straight cruel and humiliating to Cassie, because for me it was done with no particular moral intent, but mostly with envy. This is pure slutshaming for me. I think that season 2 was too ipocrite with the initial message and i hate the way Cassie has been represented. The narrative is really too ambiguous with her, because it begans to make her look like a ridiculous villain instead of a more real and complex character. We have all forgive Rue, even though she had ruined her family's life, she used to be manipulative and a liar, because she was obviously hurt. And likewise happens with every other characters. So why people can't even try to empathize a little with what Cassie is going through? This seems kinda misogyny to me...ops
    1
  796. I love cassies character. Maybe I haven't seen a lot of movies but I haven't seen a lot of characters with mental problems depicted like she is. Like it's either the sweet anxious/depressed girl or the completely crazy one that's practically a joke. It's good to see a character who's spiralling deeper and deeper beyond help, hurting people around her, unable to break out of her habits even when she wants to. I've had depression too and been there, I want her to get better next season of course but it's sill kind of validating to watch? Weirdly enough. And I don't really mind the ppl who are angry with her, ppl aren't supposed to accommodate u just becuz you're mentally ill. U hv to clean up ur own shiet. And I like how even her family doesn't like her, like that's very real, you really can't expect anything when you're unstable. tbh
    1
  797. I love cassies character. Maybe I haven't seen a lot of movies but I haven't seen a lot of characters with mental problems depicted like she is. Like it's either the sweet anxious/depressed girl or the completely crazy one that's practically a joke. It's good to see a character who's spiralling deeper and deeper beyond help, hurting people around her, unable to break out of her habits even when she wants to. I've had depression too and been there, I want her to get better next season of course but it's sill kind of validating to watch? Weirdly enough. And I don't really mind the ppl who are angry with her, ppl aren't supposed to accommodate u just becuz you're mentally ill. U hv to clean up ur own shiet. And I like how even her family doesn't like her, like that's very real, you really can't expext anything when you're unstable. tbh
    1
  798. Honestly, I think that all this hate for Cassie is really messy and toxic... The main message of the show is literally " we all make bad decision, but nonetheless we're able to improve ourself. We should be less judicious towards others and ourself". But most people apply this message on everyone but Cassie. We all know Cassie has her fair share of mistakes, but its so overlooked that Nate is a manipulative person, not just with Maddy. We should remember that Cassie was deeply depressed and fragile, she felt empty and lonely, i personally think that Nate took advantage of her vulnerability to forget his feelings. I cant understand how so many people underestimate his influence on Cassie while Maddy has INCRIMINATED an INNOCENT person only to protect Nate. Also, i found the Lesley's play down straight cruel and humiliating to Cassie, because for me it was done with no particular moral intent, but mostly with envy. This is pure slutshaming for me. I think that season 2 was too ipocrite with the initial message and i hate the way Cassie has been represented. The narrative is really too ambiguous with her, because it begans to make her look like a ridiculous villain instead of a more real and complex character. We have all forgive Rue, even though she had ruined her family's life, she used to be manipulative and a liar, because she was obviously hurt. And likewise happens with every other characters. So why people can't even try to empathize a little with what Cassie is going through? This seems kinda misogyny to me...ops
    1
  799. I love cassies character. Maybe I haven't seen a lot of movies but I haven't seen a lot of characters with mental problems depicted like she is. Like it's either the sweet anxious/depressed girl or the completely crazy one that's practically a joke. It's good to see a character who's spiralling deeper and deeper beyond help, hurting people around her, unable to break out of her habits even when she wants to. I've had depression too and been there, I want her to get better next season of course but it's sill kind of validating to watch? Weirdly enough. And I don't really mind the ppl who are angry with her, ppl aren't supposed to accommodate u just becuz you're mentally ill. U hv to clean up ur own shiet. And I like how even her family doesn't like her, like that's very real, you really can't expext anything when you're unstable.
    1
  800. yes, i agree, at the end of the day, personality and sense of humor are DEFINITELY more attractive than all other attributes. Being able to make others laugh is a feat in and of itself. Yeah, i like young women with big boobs and asses, but i would choose older women with a good personality and a sense of humor anytime of days
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  802. I think the argument is too black and white. Either its all female voodoo or a girly with an apes bod. Women don't need muscle to be strong, but they need more than a body to be a good character. I think Arcane does a spectacular job at writing women who are people before their gender. For instance the punching Powerhouse Vi, who beats the shit out of people. She punches before she thinks, but thats not because she's an angry feminist... she grew up in an environment where you had to fight to survive. Plus, she was in charge of her ragtag siblings, prepped to be a leader by her adoptive father. The difference is that seducing people and then beating them up won't really work for the problems she faces. So, conditions effect character. Black windows tactic works with the conditions of a modern world, and kinda points out the flaws in the men she seduces rather than her seducing. The problem is that marvel is trying to appeal more to kids so they gotta water down characters a bit. She's a morally grey character and that's why she's cool. It's not about being more manly because men exist in different conditions. I think if we want to see a more human side to black window, they could maybe show how she feels about her tactic, make her get fed up and lash out because changing the character without confronting the conditioned behavior washes away the humanity.
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  803. Yet more bulshit from the critical drinker. It's not about how we treat the female characters it's about how other characters treat them. In "Edge of Tomorrow" our intro to Rita is hella sexy and is explicitly designed to make us go "damn she's hot". But no characters on-screen would dare refer to her or even talk about her like that. We know the actor is hot, other characters know the character is hot, but it's irrelevant to the plot. In fact, her strength as a character is emphasized by the irrelevance of her beauty to her ability to kick ass.
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  804. Honestly, I think that all this hate for Cassie is really messy and toxic... The main message of the show is literally " we all make bad decision, but nonetheless we're able to improve ourself. We should be less judicious towards others and ourself". But most people apply this message on everyone but Cassie. We all know Cassie has her fair share of mistakes, but its so overlooked that Nate is a manipulative person, not just with Maddy. We should remember that Cassie was deeply depressed and fragile, she felt empty and lonely, i personally think that Nate took advantage of her vulnerability to forget his feelings. I cant understand how so many people underestimate his influence on Cassie while Maddy has INCRIMINATED an INNOCENT person only to protect Nate. Also, i found the Lesley's play down straight cruel and humiliating to Cassie, because for me it was done with no particular moral intent, but mostly with envy. This is pure slutshaming for me. I think that season 2 was too ipocrite with the initial message and i hate the way Cassie has been represented. The narrative is really too ambiguous with her, because it begans to make her look like a ridiculous villain instead of a more real and complex character. We have all forgive Rue, even though she had ruined her family's life, she used to be manipulative and a liar, because she was obviously hurt. And likewise happens with every other characters. So why people can't even try to empathize a little with what Cassie is going through? This seems kinda misogyny to me...ops
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  805. Honestly, I think that all this hate for Cassie is really messy and toxic... The main message of the show is literally " we all make bad decision, but nonetheless we're able to improve ourself. We should be less judicious towards others and ourself". But most people apply this message on everyone but Cassie. We all know Cassie has her fair share of mistakes, but its so overlooked that Nate is a manipulative person, not just with Maddy. We should remember that Cassie was deeply depressed and fragile, she felt empty and lonely, i personally think that Nate took advantage of her vulnerability to forget his feelings. I cant understand how so many people underestimate his influence on Cassie while Maddy has INCRIMINATED an INNOCENT person only to protect Nate. Also, i found the Lesley's play down straight cruel and humiliating to Cassie, because for me it was done with no particular moral intent, but mostly with envy. This is pure slutshaming for me. I think that season 2 was too ipocrite with the initial message and i hate the way Cassie has been represented. The narrative is really too ambiguous with her, because it begans to make her look like a ridiculous villain instead of a more real and complex character. We have all forgive Rue, even though she had ruined her family's life, she used to be manipulative and a liar, because she was obviously hurt. And likewise happens with every other characters. So why people can't even try to empathize a little with what Cassie is going through? This seems kinda misogyny to me...ops
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  806. I love cassies character. Maybe I haven't seen a lot of movies but I haven't seen a lot of characters with mental problems depicted like she is. Like it's either the sweet anxious/depressed girl or the completely crazy one that's practically a joke. It's good to see a character who's spiralling deeper and deeper beyond help, hurting people around her, unable to break out of her habits even when she wants to. I've had depression too and been there, I want her to get better next season of course but it's sill kind of validating to watch? Weirdly enough. And I don't really mind the ppl who are angry with her, ppl aren't supposed to accommodate u just becuz you're mentally ill. U hv to clean up ur own shiet. And I like how even her family doesn't like her, like that's very real, you really can't expext anything when you're unstable. tbh
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  807. I love cassies character. Maybe I haven't seen a lot of movies but I haven't seen a lot of characters with mental problems depicted like she is. Like it's either the sweet anxious/depressed girl or the completely crazy one that's practically a joke. It's good to see a character who's spiralling deeper and deeper beyond help, hurting people around her, unable to break out of her habits even when she wants to. I've had depression too and been there, I want her to get better next season of course but it's sill kind of validating to watch? Weirdly enough. And I don't really mind the ppl who are angry with her, ppl aren't supposed to accommodate u just becuz you're mentally ill. U hv to clean up ur own shiet. And I like how even her family doesn't like her, like that's very real, you really can't expext anything when you're unstable.
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  808.  @frenchfries2998  Honestly, I think that all this hate for Cassie is really messy and toxic... The main message of the show is literally " we all make bad decision, but nonetheless we're able to improve ourself. We should be less judicious towards others and ourself". But most people apply this message on everyone but Cassie. We all know Cassie has her fair share of mistakes, but its so overlooked that Nate is a manipulative person, not just with Maddy. We should remember that Cassie was deeply depressed and fragile, she felt empty and lonely, i personally think that Nate took advantage of her vulnerability to forget his feelings. I cant understand how so many people underestimate his influence on Cassie while Maddy has INCRIMINATED an INNOCENT person only to protect Nate. Also, i found the Lesley's play down straight cruel and humiliating to Cassie, because for me it was done with no particular moral intent, but mostly with envy. This is pure slutshaming for me. I think that season 2 was too ipocrite with the initial message and i hate the way Cassie has been represented. The narrative is really too ambiguous with her, because it begans to make her look like a ridiculous villain instead of a more real and complex character. We have all forgive Rue, even though she had ruined her family's life, she used to be manipulative and a liar, because she was obviously hurt. And likewise happens with every other characters. So why people can't even try to empathize a little with what Cassie is going through? This seems kinda misogyny to me...ops
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  809.  @skc9917  That graph at the beginning about the chance of divorce after 5 years doesn't hold much water. The graph doesn't even have a consistent increase with the number of partners. Hell, the chance of divorce is higher with 2 partners than 6-9 partners according to this. Alexander talks about this graph as if there is an exponential increase in chance of divorce with an increase in partners. The difference between 2 partners and 10 + is about 4%..........4%. Don't act like this is a big difference.
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  810. We don't have to vindicate the Other Woman in an attempt to de-villainise her. The Other Woman is a complex figure, and that's a good thing! It can be interesting to delve into exactly why she feels compelled to go after a married man. She could be used to reflect the patriarchal impulse to be "superior" to another woman by catering to a man's desires, she could be used to deconstruct the notion that women are automatically self-sacrificing romantics and (*gasp!*) can be selfish; in short, privileging her perspective is an opportunity to represent a real, flawed human being. But let's not make her into an angel... because no one is. 'Waitress' offers a good example of the Other Woman as a nuanced figure. Dr Pommater is in a relatively happy marriage (from the little we see of his wife there is nothing abusive about her), yet he cheats with the film/musical's protagonist, Jenna. Jenna is in an abusive relationship and has been stifled by her man-child husband and aborted ambitions - and the affair is a meaningful way of reclaiming her agency. But both the film and the musical show Jenna agonising over the affair and her acceptance that it is hurtful to Dr Pommater's wife even if it helped Jenna fight back against her abuser and get through an unplanned pregnancy. And that's life - women are not manipulative one-dimensional femme fatales vying for a married man out of nothing but sadism, they are people who should not be villified even if they are not absolved.
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  811. in a sense it s understandable.. sorry but did you how redpill, manosphere and all this sh!t is .. ?? (don't be stupid to put me in an "opposite place" I'm not a woke, a simp, or all these bs.. so before judging listen to my explanation.. Redpill manosphere chanels says: 30yo women ? the wall.. what ? so you want to fuck kids ?? to be with a childish stupid women.. ? 40yo women are far too oldeven if your are 40.. single mother are low value women.. man with all we will even see "hide that you have kids" articles.. at 29 I met a 42yo women, beautiful, very intersting, good person with values, she was a single mother, she never asked me anything about his child and never made him being more important than me.. when he was wrong she was on MY side. she did alot for me, worked alot, was an incredible women always smilling, simple and ready to help. we get married was very happy with her. my actual was also 42 when I met her, I was 36. also single mother and same perfect attitude.. she died hide me nothing about her past (toxicomany, anorexia, prostitution). she always here for me (was 3 times in psychiatric hospital, more than a month each time, she came to see me EVERYDAY ! at a moment when I was mentally ill I didn't want to see her and even doesnt answered to her call and when she came to my place too, hide like I wasnt here.. we still was together.. she came everyday to see me and because I never answered she let every day a note on my door.. do never tell me that these women are low value women and don't diserve love. I won't anger, I would laugh because of how wrong it is..
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  812. Japanese culture as a whole can be very repressive . They are taught from very young age to "suck it up" and don't show any kind of rebellion, opinion , basically any kind of emotion . It's kind of a "Mechanical" do you work and go home and be repressed at home as well. Don't talk about it or even broach the subject. Explains high Suicide rate over there !!! They may technologically advanced but at great Human emotional Sacrifice!!!
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  813. from the looks of it, it was not his first time, and unfortunately it wont be his last lol
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  814. I love cassies character. Maybe I haven't seen a lot of movies but I haven't seen a lot of characters with mental problems depicted like she is. Like it's either the sweet anxious/depressed girl or the completely crazy one that's practically a joke. It's good to see a character who's spiralling deeper and deeper beyond help, hurting people around her, unable to break out of her habits even when she wants to. I've had depression too and been there, I want her to get better next season of course but it's sill kind of validating to watch? Weirdly enough. And I don't really mind the ppl who are angry with her, ppl aren't supposed to accommodate u just becuz you're mentally ill. U hv to clean up ur own shiet. And I like how even her family doesn't like her, like that's very real, you really can't expect anything when you're unstable. tbh
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  815.  @WoodmanTiller  3:20 I'm sorry but this graph is complete BS. It doesnt show how many women/men are in each of the "how many partners" groups, this could explain why it goes up after 4 partners then down and then up again. It is also obvious that you are more happy if you only ever had one partner, because you dont have any comparison to another relationship. It would also be important to know how the question was phrased...if it was just like "Are you happy in your marriage?" then there is no correlation to the number of partners they had, because the reason for their unhappiness in the moment they were asked could be anything
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  816.  @praful1328  3:20 I'm sorry but this graph is complete BS. It doesnt show how many women/men are in each of the "how many partners" groups, this could explain why it goes up after 4 partners then down and then up again. It is also obvious that you are more happy if you only ever had one partner, because you dont have any comparison to another relationship. It would also be important to know how the question was phrased...if it was just like "Are you happy in your marriage?" then there is no correlation to the number of partners they had, because the reason for their unhappiness in the moment they were asked could be anything
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  817.  @thenarrator1984  3:20 I'm sorry but this graph is complete BS. It doesnt show how many women/men are in each of the "how many partners" groups, this could explain why it goes up after 4 partners then down and then up again. It is also obvious that you are more happy if you only ever had one partner, because you dont have any comparison to another relationship. It would also be important to know how the question was phrased...if it was just like "Are you happy in your marriage?" then there is no correlation to the number of partners they had, because the reason for their unhappiness in the moment they were asked could be anything
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  818.  @wyleecoyotee4252  That graph at the beginning about the chance of divorce after 5 years doesn't hold much water. The graph doesn't even have a consistent increase with the number of partners. Hell, the chance of divorce is higher with 2 partners than 6-9 partners according to this. Alexander talks about this graph as if there is an exponential increase in chance of divorce with an increase in partners. The difference between 2 partners and 10 + is about 4%..........4%. Don't act like this is a big difference.
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  819. Human minds have evolved to overcome instincts. Blaming women for being able to overcome some kind of "sex fear instinct" is backwards. There are contraceptives today. Sexual emancipation is important for overcoming the gender imbalances in whatever field. The reason is we are no animals anymore. It's great to not be limited by biological constraints. And these will be lifted with technological advancements.
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  820. First study (By Family Studies): shows a drop from 73% to about 65% if you have 2 other partners prior to marriage, but then essentially stays at that level through up to 10 previous partners. But what does that prove since the vast majority of men AND women in western society have had sex with multiple partners by the time they married AND marriages NOW are taking place much later. So, did this study control for the age of the women? Did the study control for religiosity since women marrying with no previous sex partners may have had arranged marriages. I'm not convinced at all (from the graph alone) that the study methodology is convincing that there is a difference between no pre-marital partners and TEN pre-marital partners. :). Looking at the second study (Family Study; 5 year prediction of divorce by number of people spouses slept with prior to marriage). I'm in the biz of sociology/psychology so am reasonably familiar with research. I don't have the actual study in front of me, but the graph alone is problematic. Notice how you go from 5% chance of divorce if 0 previous partners jumping to 20% if 1 previous partner, then 30% if 2 previous partners, but then after that, an actual drop off to 25% if you've had 10 or more partners pre-marriage! So if pre-marital sex with others is a factor there should be a consistent rise on the x/y axes (if 1-2 makes a difference, then even more should make more difference). But that's not shown here, so I'm not convinced that this study has proven anything.
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  821.  @oyinrukbo3300  my whole thing with this though is that the thing is there’s a clear market for sex work, so if you’re gonna be against your child doing you need to be against the sex industry as a whole,,, a lot of the comments here are really trying to make it seem like sex work isn’t a valid work option but it is- even with the dangers that come with it a job is a job and if there wasn’t such a heavy demand for it then there wouldn’t be people working in it and people have reasons for not getting another job too (or adding this onto whatever other work they’re already doing),, like,,, sex can pay a lot in the best case scenario this isn’t meant to be invalidating to the fathers feelings though, like it’s understandable how he feels but at the same time,,
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  822. yeah, i agree with this tbh
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  823. i'd rather see quality marriages, but few of them, than people forcing themselves in loveless relationships due to societal pressures ngl
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  824. I love cassies character. Maybe I haven't seen a lot of movies but I haven't seen a lot of characters with mental problems depicted like she is. Like it's either the sweet anxious/depressed girl or the completely crazy one that's practically a joke. It's good to see a character who's spiralling deeper and deeper beyond help, hurting people around her, unable to break out of her habits even when she wants to. I've had depression too and been there, I want her to get better next season of course but it's sill kind of validating to watch? Weirdly enough. And I don't really mind the ppl who are angry with her, ppl aren't supposed to accommodate u just becuz you're mentally ill. U hv to clean up ur own shiet. And I like how even her family doesn't like her, like that's very real, you really can't expect anything when you're unstable. tbh
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  825. Honestly, I think that all this hate for Cassie is really messy and toxic... The main message of the show is literally " we all make bad decision, but nonetheless we're able to improve ourself. We should be less judicious towards others and ourself". But most people apply this message on everyone but Cassie. We all know Cassie has her fair share of mistakes, but its so overlooked that Nate is a manipulative person, not just with Maddy. We should remember that Cassie was deeply depressed and fragile, she felt empty and lonely, i personally think that Nate took advantage of her vulnerability to forget his feelings. I cant understand how so many people underestimate his influence on Cassie while Maddy has INCRIMINATED an INNOCENT person only to protect Nate. Also, i found the Lesley's play down straight cruel and humiliating to Cassie, because for me it was done with no particular moral intent, but mostly with envy. This is pure slutshaming for me. I think that season 2 was too ipocrite with the initial message and i hate the way Cassie has been represented. The narrative is really too ambiguous with her, because it begans to make her look like a ridiculous villain instead of a more real and complex character. We have all forgive Rue, even though she had ruined her family's life, she used to be manipulative and a liar, because she was obviously hurt. And likewise happens with every other characters. So why people can't even try to empathize a little with what Cassie is going through? This seems kinda misogyny to me...ops
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  826. We don't have to vindicate the Other Woman in an attempt to de-villainise her. The Other Woman is a complex figure, and that's a good thing! It can be interesting to delve into exactly why she feels compelled to go after a married man. She could be used to reflect the patriarchal impulse to be "superior" to another woman by catering to a man's desires, she could be used to deconstruct the notion that women are automatically self-sacrificing romantics and (*gasp!*) can be selfish; in short, privileging her perspective is an opportunity to represent a real, flawed human being. But let's not make her into an angel... because no one is. 'Waitress' offers a good example of the Other Woman as a nuanced figure. Dr Pommater is in a relatively happy marriage (from the little we see of his wife there is nothing abusive about her), yet he cheats with the film/musical's protagonist, Jenna. Jenna is in an abusive relationship and has been stifled by her man-child husband and aborted ambitions - and the affair is a meaningful way of reclaiming her agency. But both the film and the musical show Jenna agonising over the affair and her acceptance that it is hurtful to Dr Pommater's wife even if it helped Jenna fight back against her abuser and get through an unplanned pregnancy. And that's life - women are not manipulative one-dimensional femme fatales vying for a married man out of nothing but sadism, they are people who should not be villified even if they are not absolved.
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  827. Yet more bulshit from the critical drinker. It's not about how we treat the female characters it's about how other characters treat them. In "Edge of Tomorrow" our intro to Rita is hella sexy and is explicitly designed to make us go "damn she's hot". But no characters on-screen would dare refer to her or even talk about her like that. We know the actor is hot, other characters know the character is hot, but it's irrelevant to the plot. In fact, her strength as a character is emphasized by the irrelevance of her beauty to her ability to kick ass.
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  828. More power to you
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  829. Honestly, I think that all this hate for Cassie is really messy and toxic... The main message of the show is literally " we all make bad decision, but nonetheless we're able to improve ourself. We should be less judicious towards others and ourself". But most people apply this message on everyone but Cassie. We all know Cassie has her fair share of mistakes, but its so overlooked that Nate is a manipulative person, not just with Maddy. We should remember that Cassie was deeply depressed and fragile, she felt empty and lonely, i personally think that Nate took advantage of her vulnerability to forget his feelings. I cant understand how so many people underestimate his influence on Cassie while Maddy has INCRIMINATED an INNOCENT person only to protect Nate. Also, i found the Lesley's play down straight cruel and humiliating to Cassie, because for me it was done with no particular moral intent, but mostly with envy. This is pure slutshaming for me. I think that season 2 was too ipocrite with the initial message and i hate the way Cassie has been represented. The narrative is really too ambiguous with her, because it begans to make her look like a ridiculous villain instead of a more real and complex character. We have all forgive Rue, even though she had ruined her family's life, she used to be manipulative and a liar, because she was obviously hurt. And likewise happens with every other characters. So why people can't even try to empathize a little with what Cassie is going through? This seems kinda misogyny to me...ops
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  830. I love cassies character. Maybe I haven't seen a lot of movies but I haven't seen a lot of characters with mental problems depicted like she is. Like it's either the sweet anxious/depressed girl or the completely crazy one that's practically a joke. It's good to see a character who's spiralling deeper and deeper beyond help, hurting people around her, unable to break out of her habits even when she wants to. I've had depression too and been there, I want her to get better next season of course but it's sill kind of validating to watch? Weirdly enough. And I don't really mind the ppl who are angry with her, ppl aren't supposed to accommodate u just becuz you're mentally ill. U hv to clean up ur own shiet. And I like how even her family doesn't like her, like that's very real, you really can't expext anything when you're unstable.
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  831. I love cassies character. Maybe I haven't seen a lot of movies but I haven't seen a lot of characters with mental problems depicted like she is. Like it's either the sweet anxious/depressed girl or the completely crazy one that's practically a joke. It's good to see a character who's spiralling deeper and deeper beyond help, hurting people around her, unable to break out of her habits even when she wants to. I've had depression too and been there, I want her to get better next season of course but it's sill kind of validating to watch? Weirdly enough. And I don't really mind the ppl who are angry with her, ppl aren't supposed to accommodate u just becuz you're mentally ill. U hv to clean up ur own shiet. And I like how even her family doesn't like her, like that's very real, you really can't expext anything when you're unstable.
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  832.  @queerlibtardhippie9357  Let me go against the grain here with regards to the popular opinion in the comment section. There is nothing degrading about being a sex worker, sex work does not make you a lesser person or less educated and while you might end up being on the internet forever, as long as society doesn't judge you, that shouldn't be a big deal. Would I want my child (daughter OR SON) doing this stuff? No. Why? I don't trust some of the higher ups in these industries. Some of these people are shady and treat women particularly like crap. But that could improve and has made significant progress as more women started to take control. My second main reason is the misogyny my daughter would face by both men AND women (including Feminists) for simply recording and distributing something that most people do. Some of these women, maybe not in Japan but in America and Europe, make ridiculous amounts of money by simply showing the physical intimacy I their monogamous relationship between themselves and their partner. They're doing the same things they'd do, just recording and distributing it for tens of thousands to hundreds of thousands of dollars. Why does this affect them with regards to how they are perceived? Why should this affect them with regards to getting a job or running for office? How are they inherently bad people because they filmed themselves f*ck?
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  833. Honestly, I think that all this hate for Cassie is really messy and toxic... The main message of the show is literally " we all make bad decision, but nonetheless we're able to improve ourself. We should be less judicious towards others and ourself". But most people apply this message on everyone but Cassie. We all know Cassie has her fair share of mistakes, but its so overlooked that Nate is a manipulative person, not just with Maddy. We should remember that Cassie was deeply depressed and fragile, she felt empty and lonely, i personally think that Nate took advantage of her vulnerability to forget his feelings. I cant understand how so many people underestimate his influence on Cassie while Maddy has INCRIMINATED an INNOCENT person only to protect Nate. Also, i found the Lesley's play down straight cruel and humiliating to Cassie, because for me it was done with no particular moral intent, but mostly with envy. This is pure slutshaming for me. I think that season 2 was too ipocrite with the initial message and i hate the way Cassie has been represented. The narrative is really too ambiguous with her, because it begans to make her look like a ridiculous villain instead of a more real and complex character. We have all forgive Rue, even though she had ruined her family's life, she used to be manipulative and a liar, because she was obviously hurt. And likewise happens with every other characters. So why people can't even try to empathize a little with what Cassie is going through? This seems kinda misogyny to me...ops
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  834. Honestly, I think that all this hate for Cassie is really messy and toxic... The main message of the show is literally " we all make bad decision, but nonetheless we're able to improve ourself. We should be less judicious towards others and ourself". But most people apply this message on everyone but Cassie. We all know Cassie has her fair share of mistakes, but its so overlooked that Nate is a manipulative person, not just with Maddy. We should remember that Cassie was deeply depressed and fragile, she felt empty and lonely, i personally think that Nate took advantage of her vulnerability to forget his feelings. I cant understand how so many people underestimate his influence on Cassie while Maddy has INCRIMINATED an INNOCENT person only to protect Nate. Also, i found the Lesley's play down straight cruel and humiliating to Cassie, because for me it was done with no particular moral intent, but mostly with envy. This is pure slutshaming for me. I think that season 2 was too ipocrite with the initial message and i hate the way Cassie has been represented. The narrative is really too ambiguous with her, because it begans to make her look like a ridiculous villain instead of a more real and complex character. We have all forgive Rue, even though she had ruined her family's life, she used to be manipulative and a liar, because she was obviously hurt. And likewise happens with every other characters. So why people can't even try to empathize a little with what Cassie is going through? This seems kinda misogyny to me...ops
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  835. I grew up around addiction, and experience my own, so Rue is a very relatable character for me. That being said, I started developing in fourth grade. I understand Cassie so well, because one day people just stopped treating me like a kid. They just commented on my physical appearance and made suggestive comments. I was never mad at her… I just felt so bad for her. Her routine of getting up early to beautify for Nate was tragic enough, without him ignoring her every single time. She’s not a bad person, but she doesn’t know how to be of value any other way because nobody gave her the chance. People don’t tell her she’s kind, or smart, or funny… they talk about her looks. I couldn’t be a teenager today
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  836. Some comments make me wonder what would they say if instead of a daughter, it was a son. Even this father, like, if he had a son who is a pronstar, would he be in this video? I've read a lot of people talking about how ashamed female pronstars should be, but when it comes to male, it's totally different, i've even seen people joking about how every men's dream job is to become a pronstar from age 13. Imo, both can be good or bad, of course, it is more common to have women being degraded in pron videos, even if it is a vanilla one, but i'm sure that there are bad sides for any gender. At least, there are people trying to change this scenario, maybe one day people will stop saying so many bad things about women who want to and work as pronstars, and just think that they chose this job, because they like it.
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  837. Btw, whats your opinion on Jenny from Forrest Gump as a character ? She is also a flawed female character that get hated a lot for the way she treated Forrest, but Idc what anybody says, Jenny is my favorite character because i can empathize with her due to her upbringing, there is more to her than meets the eye, same goes for character like her, Bojack Horseman, you can find their actions intolerable and still empathize with them, abusive upbringing can damage a person's mind drastically.
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  838. Honestly, I think that all this hate for Cassie is really messy and toxic... The main message of the show is literally " we all make bad decision, but nonetheless we're able to improve ourself. We should be less judicious towards others and ourself". But most people apply this message on everyone but Cassie. We all know Cassie has her fair share of mistakes, but its so overlooked that Nate is a manipulative person, not just with Maddy. We should remember that Cassie was deeply depressed and fragile, she felt empty and lonely, i personally think that Nate took advantage of her vulnerability to forget his feelings. I cant understand how so many people underestimate his influence on Cassie while Maddy has INCRIMINATED an INNOCENT person only to protect Nate. Also, i found the Lesley's play down straight cruel and humiliating to Cassie, because for me it was done with no particular moral intent, but mostly with envy. This is pure slutshaming for me. I think that season 2 was too ipocrite with the initial message and i hate the way Cassie has been represented. The narrative is really too ambiguous with her, because it begans to make her look like a ridiculous villain instead of a more real and complex character. We have all forgive Rue, even though she had ruined her family's life, she used to be manipulative and a liar, because she was obviously hurt. And likewise happens with every other characters. So why people can't even try to empathize a little with what Cassie is going through? This seems kinda misogyny to me...ops
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  839. Some comments make me wonder what would they say if instead of a daughter, it was a son. Even this father, like, if he had a son who is a pronstar, would he be in this video? I've read a lot of people talking about how ashamed female pronstars should be, but when it comes to male, it's totally different, i've even seen people joking about how every men's dream job is to become a pronstar from age 13. Imo, both can be good or bad, of course, it is more common to have women being degraded in pron videos, even if it is a vanilla one, but i'm sure that there are bad sides for any gender. At least, there are people trying to change this scenario, maybe one day people will stop saying so many bad things about women who want to and work as pronstars, and just think that they chose this job, because they like it.
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  840.  @ahanaroychoudhuri  Honestly, I think that all this hate for Cassie is really messy and toxic... The main message of the show is literally " we all make bad decision, but nonetheless we're able to improve ourself. We should be less judicious towards others and ourself". But most people apply this message on everyone but Cassie. We all know Cassie has her fair share of mistakes, but its so overlooked that Nate is a manipulative person, not just with Maddy. We should remember that Cassie was deeply depressed and fragile, she felt empty and lonely, i personally think that Nate took advantage of her vulnerability to forget his feelings. I cant understand how so many people underestimate his influence on Cassie while Maddy has INCRIMINATED an INNOCENT person only to protect Nate. Also, i found the Lesley's play down straight cruel and humiliating to Cassie, because for me it was done with no particular moral intent, but mostly with envy. This is pure slutshaming for me. I think that season 2 was too ipocrite with the initial message and i hate the way Cassie has been represented. The narrative is really too ambiguous with her, because it begans to make her look like a ridiculous villain instead of a more real and complex character. We have all forgive Rue, even though she had ruined her family's life, she used to be manipulative and a liar, because she was obviously hurt. And likewise happens with every other characters. So why people can't even try to empathize a little with what Cassie is going through? This seems kinda misogyny to me...ops
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  841. Let me go against the grain here with regards to the popular opinion in the comment section. There is nothing degrading about being a sex worker, sex work does not make you a lesser person or less educated and while you might end up being on the internet forever, as long as society doesn't judge you, that shouldn't be a big deal. Would I want my child (daughter OR SON) doing this stuff? No. Why? I don't trust some of the higher ups in these industries. Some of these people are shady and treat women particularly like crap. But that could improve and has made significant progress as more women started to take control. My second main reason is the misogyny my daughter would face by both men AND women (including Feminists) for simply recording and distributing something that most people do. Some of these women, maybe not in Japan but in America and Europe, make ridiculous amounts of money by simply showing the physical intimacy I their monogamous relationship between themselves and their partner. They're doing the same things they'd do, just recording and distributing it for tens of thousands to hundreds of thousands of dollars. Why does this affect them with regards to how they are perceived? Why should this affect them with regards to getting a job or running for office? How are they inherently bad people because they filmed themselves f*ck?
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  842. Some comments make me wonder what would they say if instead of a daughter, it was a son. Even this father, like, if he had a son who is a pronstar, would he be in this video? I've read a lot of people talking about how ashamed female pronstars should be, but when it comes to male, it's totally different, i've even seen people joking about how every men's dream job is to become a pronstar from age 13. Imo, both can be good or bad, of course, it is more common to have women being degraded in pron videos, even if it is a vanilla one, but i'm sure that there are bad sides for any gender. At least, there are people trying to change this scenario, maybe one day people will stop saying so many bad things about women who want to and work as pronstars, and just think that they chose this job, because they like it.
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  843. Every job has its own risks and enjoyment. They too enjoy their porn careers instead of doing it out of desperation and as an easy way to earn money, times have changed, and people are getting more open-minded because they see porn as an art. There are also pornstars who plan an exit strategy even before they apply to a porn company. they get in and make huge bucks for 2 or 3 years (insane amounts of cash). then they move on with their lives. needless to say, they must be studying in colleges or doing something else alongside instead of just porn. many strippers and hustlers follow this exit strategy plan also. More than anything. Pornstars are people who for their passion have survived the criticism of the whole world. They went to follow their passion which gave them more satisfaction. There is also a huge online market of porn industries so why should they be ashamed of entering into that if that gives them satisfaction and money. I beg to differ with all people who oppose porn that you should really not watch it if you do not want to but the whole world is out there at night to watch. How are you going to control them?
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  844. I am a parent, of a son though, not a daughter. The only thing I would care about is that they are healthy, safe and happy. Yes I could accept it OK, providing they were not being coerced or tricked into something they did not want to do, and if they were, then I am the one person in the world they can turn to for help and support, no questions asked. To hell with what anybody else thinks. Would it be my ideal choice of employment for them? Of course not, but you only get one shot a life, so why not live a little if that is what you want to do. All the people and parents dying of shock and shame, so you have never used or seen any porn while growing up. Get over yourself. Time to legalize prostitution, bring it under the spotlight to make it safer for the workers. Give them rights and a voice, pay tax to contribute towards society. Reduce the power of criminals and abusers hiding in the shadows, help prevent sex trafficking etc. Wake up people
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  845.  @mermaidtingzzz  I love cassies character. Maybe I haven't seen a lot of movies but I haven't seen a lot of characters with mental problems depicted like she is. Like it's either the sweet anxious/depressed girl or the completely crazy one that's practically a joke. It's good to see a character who's spiralling deeper and deeper beyond help, hurting people around her, unable to break out of her habits even when she wants to. I've had depression too and been there, I want her to get better next season of course but it's sill kind of validating to watch? Weirdly enough. And I don't really mind the ppl who are angry with her, ppl aren't supposed to accommodate u just becuz you're mentally ill. U hv to clean up ur own shiet. And I like how even her family doesn't like her, like that's very real, you really can't expext anything when you're unstable. tbh
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  846. Honestly, I think that all this hate for Cassie is really messy and toxic... The main message of the show is literally " we all make bad decision, but nonetheless we're able to improve ourself. We should be less judicious towards others and ourself". But most people apply this message on everyone but Cassie. We all know Cassie has her fair share of mistakes, but its so overlooked that Nate is a manipulative person, not just with Maddy. We should remember that Cassie was deeply depressed and fragile, she felt empty and lonely, i personally think that Nate took advantage of her vulnerability to forget his feelings. I cant understand how so many people underestimate his influence on Cassie while Maddy has INCRIMINATED an INNOCENT person only to protect Nate. Also, i found the Lesley's play down straight cruel and humiliating to Cassie, because for me it was done with no particular moral intent, but mostly with envy. This is pure slutshaming for me. I think that season 2 was too ipocrite with the initial message and i hate the way Cassie has been represented. The narrative is really too ambiguous with her, because it begans to make her look like a ridiculous villain instead of a more real and complex character. We have all forgive Rue, even though she had ruined her family's life, she used to be manipulative and a liar, because she was obviously hurt. And likewise happens with every other characters. So why people can't even try to empathize a little with what Cassie is going through? This seems kinda misogyny to me...ops
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  847. I certainly found being single makes me happier as a person, thats not to say i'm shaming women who want to get marry. Being single has its pros and cons, but i'm just content with the way i live, and thats what peole should try to be tbh😊
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  848. Some comments make me wonder what would they say if instead of a daughter, it was a son. Even this father, like, if he had a son who is a pronstar, would he be in this video? I've read a lot of people talking about how ashamed female pronstars should be, but when it comes to male, it's totally different, i've even seen people joking about how every men's dream job is to become a pronstar from age 13. Imo, both can be good or bad, of course, it is more common to have women being degraded in pron videos, even if it is a vanilla one, but i'm sure that there are bad sides for any gender. At least, there are people trying to change this scenario, maybe one day people will stop saying so many bad things about women who want to and work as pronstars, and just think that they chose this job, because they like it.
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  849. i agree with this 100%
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  850. Yet more bulshit from the critical drinker. It's not about how we treat the female characters it's about how other characters treat them. In "Edge of Tomorrow" our intro to Rita is hella sexy and is explicitly designed to make us go "damn she's hot". But no characters on-screen would dare refer to her or even talk about her like that. We know the actor is hot, other characters know the character is hot, but it's irrelevant to the plot. In fact, her strength as a character is emphasized by the irrelevance of her beauty to her ability to kick ass.
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  851. We don't have to vindicate the Other Woman in an attempt to de-villainise her. The Other Woman is a complex figure, and that's a good thing! It can be interesting to delve into exactly why she feels compelled to go after a married man. She could be used to reflect the patriarchal impulse to be "superior" to another woman by catering to a man's desires, she could be used to deconstruct the notion that women are automatically self-sacrificing romantics and (*gasp!*) can be selfish; in short, privileging her perspective is an opportunity to represent a real, flawed human being. But let's not make her into an angel... because no one is. 'Waitress' offers a good example of the Other Woman as a nuanced figure. Dr Pommater is in a relatively happy marriage (from the little we see of his wife there is nothing abusive about her), yet he cheats with the film/musical's protagonist, Jenna. Jenna is in an abusive relationship and has been stifled by her man-child husband and aborted ambitions - and the affair is a meaningful way of reclaiming her agency. But both the film and the musical show Jenna agonising over the affair and her acceptance that it is hurtful to Dr Pommater's wife even if it helped Jenna fight back against her abuser and get through an unplanned pregnancy. And that's life - women are not manipulative one-dimensional femme fatales vying for a married man out of nothing but sadism, they are people who should not be villified even if they are not absolved.
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  852. I love cassies character. Maybe I haven't seen a lot of movies but I haven't seen a lot of characters with mental problems depicted like she is. Like it's either the sweet anxious/depressed girl or the completely crazy one that's practically a joke. It's good to see a character who's spiralling deeper and deeper beyond help, hurting people around her, unable to break out of her habits even when she wants to. I've had depression too and been there, I want her to get better next season of course but it's sill kind of validating to watch? Weirdly enough. And I don't really mind the ppl who are angry with her, ppl aren't supposed to accommodate u just becuz you're mentally ill. U hv to clean up ur own shiet. And I like how even her family doesn't like her, like that's very real, you really can't expect anything when you're unstable. tbh
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  853. Honestly, I think that all this hate for Cassie is really messy and toxic... The main message of the show is literally " we all make bad decision, but nonetheless we're able to improve ourself. We should be less judicious towards others and ourself". But most people apply this message on everyone but Cassie. We all know Cassie has her fair share of mistakes, but its so overlooked that Nate is a manipulative person, not just with Maddy. We should remember that Cassie was deeply depressed and fragile, she felt empty and lonely, i personally think that Nate took advantage of her vulnerability to forget his feelings. I cant understand how so many people underestimate his influence on Cassie while Maddy has INCRIMINATED an INNOCENT person only to protect Nate. Also, i found the Lesley's play down straight cruel and humiliating to Cassie, because for me it was done with no particular moral intent, but mostly with envy. This is pure slutshaming for me. I think that season 2 was too ipocrite with the initial message and i hate the way Cassie has been represented. The narrative is really too ambiguous with her, because it begans to make her look like a ridiculous villain instead of a more real and complex character. We have all forgive Rue, even though she had ruined her family's life, she used to be manipulative and a liar, because she was obviously hurt. And likewise happens with every other characters. So why people can't even try to empathize a little with what Cassie is going through? This seems kinda misogyny to me...ops
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  854. cool
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  855. Some comments make me wonder what would they say if instead of a daughter, it was a son. Even this father, like, if he had a son who is a pronstar, would he be in this video? I've read a lot of people talking about how ashamed female pronstars should be, but when it comes to male, it's totally different, i've even seen people joking about how every men's dream job is to become a pronstar from age 13. Imo, both can be good or bad, of course, it is more common to have women being degraded in pron videos, even if it is a vanilla one, but i'm sure that there are bad sides for any gender. At least, there are people trying to change this scenario, maybe one day people will stop saying so many bad things about women who want to and work as pronstars, and just think that they chose this job, because they like it.
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  856. I think the argument is too black and white. Either its all female voodoo or a girly with an apes bod. Women don't need muscle to be strong, but they need more than a body to be a good character. I think Arcane does a spectacular job at writing women who are people before their gender. For instance the punching Powerhouse Vi, who beats the shit out of people. She punches before she thinks, but thats not because she's an angry feminist... she grew up in an environment where you had to fight to survive. Plus, she was in charge of her ragtag siblings, prepped to be a leader by her adoptive father. The difference is that seducing people and then beating them up won't really work for the problems she faces. So, conditions effect character. Black windows tactic works with the conditions of a modern world, and kinda points out the flaws in the men she seduces rather than her seducing. The problem is that marvel is trying to appeal more to kids so they gotta water down characters a bit. She's a morally grey character and that's why she's cool. It's not about being more manly because men exist in different conditions. I think if we want to see a more human side to black window, they could maybe show how she feels about her tactic, make her get fed up and lash out because changing the character without confronting the conditioned behavior washes away the humanity.
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  857.  @maidende8280  First study (By Family Studies): shows a drop from 73% to about 65% if you have 2 other partners prior to marriage, but then essentially stays at that level through up to 10 previous partners. But what does that prove since the vast majority of men AND women in western society have had sex with multiple partners by the time they married AND marriages NOW are taking place much later. So, did this study control for the age of the women? Did the study control for religiosity since women marrying with no previous sex partners may have had arranged marriages. I'm not convinced at all (from the graph alone) that the study methodology is convincing that there is a difference between no pre-marital partners and TEN pre-marital partners. :). Looking at the second study (Family Study; 5 year prediction of divorce by number of people spouses slept with prior to marriage). I'm in the biz of sociology/psychology so am reasonably familiar with research. I don't have the actual study in front of me, but the graph alone is problematic. Notice how you go from 5% chance of divorce if 0 previous partners jumping to 20% if 1 previous partner, then 30% if 2 previous partners, but then after that, an actual drop off to 25% if you've had 10 or more partners pre-marriage! So if pre-marital sex with others is a factor there should be a consistent rise on the x/y axes (if 1-2 makes a difference, then even more should make more difference). But that's not shown here, so I'm not convinced that this study has proven anything.
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  858. I love cassies character. Maybe I haven't seen a lot of movies but I haven't seen a lot of characters with mental problems depicted like she is. Like it's either the sweet anxious/depressed girl or the completely crazy one that's practically a joke. It's good to see a character who's spiralling deeper and deeper beyond help, hurting people around her, unable to break out of her habits even when she wants to. I've had depression too and been there, I want her to get better next season of course but it's sill kind of validating to watch? Weirdly enough. And I don't really mind the ppl who are angry with her, ppl aren't supposed to accommodate u just becuz you're mentally ill. U hv to clean up ur own shiet. And I like how even her family doesn't like her, like that's very real, you really can't expect anything when you're unstable. tbh
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  859. Let me go against the grain here with regards to the popular opinion in the comment section. There is nothing degrading about being a sex worker, sex work does not make you a lesser person or less educated and while you might end up being on the internet forever, as long as society doesn't judge you, that shouldn't be a big deal. Would I want my child (daughter OR SON) doing this stuff? No. Why? I don't trust some of the higher ups in these industries. Some of these people are shady and treat women particularly like crap. But that could improve and has made significant progress as more women started to take control. My second main reason is the misogyny my daughter would face by both men AND women (including Feminists) for simply recording and distributing something that most people do. Some of these women, maybe not in Japan but in America and Europe, make ridiculous amounts of money by simply showing the physical intimacy I their monogamous relationship between themselves and their partner. They're doing the same things they'd do, just recording and distributing it for tens of thousands to hundreds of thousands of dollars. Why does this affect them with regards to how they are perceived? Why should this affect them with regards to getting a job or running for office? How are they inherently bad people because they filmed themselves f*ck?
    1
  860. I think the argument is too black and white. Either its all female voodoo or a girly with an apes bod. Women don't need muscle to be strong, but they need more than a body to be a good character. I think Arcane does a spectacular job at writing women who are people before their gender. For instance the punching Powerhouse Vi, who beats the shit out of people. She punches before she thinks, but thats not because she's an angry feminist... she grew up in an environment where you had to fight to survive. Plus, she was in charge of her ragtag siblings, prepped to be a leader by her adoptive father. The difference is that seducing people and then beating them up won't really work for the problems she faces. So, conditions effect character. Black windows tactic works with the conditions of a modern world, and kinda points out the flaws in the men she seduces rather than her seducing. The problem is that marvel is trying to appeal more to kids so they gotta water down characters a bit. She's a morally grey character and that's why she's cool. It's not about being more manly because men exist in different conditions. I think if we want to see a more human side to black window, they could maybe show how she feels about her tactic, make her get fed up and lash out because changing the character without confronting the conditioned behavior washes away the humanity.
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  861. Some comments make me wonder what would they say if instead of a daughter, it was a son. Even this father, like, if he had a son who is a pronstar, would he be in this video? I've read a lot of people talking about how ashamed female pronstars should be, but when it comes to male, it's totally different, i've even seen people joking about how every men's dream job is to become a pronstar from age 13. Imo, both can be good or bad, of course, it is more common to have women being degraded in pron videos, even if it is a vanilla one, but i'm sure that there are bad sides for any gender. At least, there are people trying to change this scenario, maybe one day people will stop saying so many bad things about women who want to and work as pronstars, and just think that they chose this job, because they like it.
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  862.  @Aaronthegreatest  I think what this analysis is missing is the impact having only one woman on screen in these movies has. One girl with one archetype and personality and appearance and that comes to fill the spot for every female, and she cant fit every role. If there were more female characters on screen that have a variety of fighting styles (DONE WELL) i think itd be more satisfying for everyone. Nothing wrong with Scar Jo being a sexy fem fatal type, it looks cool, but making that the only representation doesnt work well for everyone. Spiderman and thor dont have the same appeal you know
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  863.  @patrickparadis8623  I think the argument is too black and white. Either its all female voodoo or a girly with an apes bod. Women don't need muscle to be strong, but they need more than a body to be a good character. I think Arcane does a spectacular job at writing women who are people before their gender. For instance the punching Powerhouse Vi, who beats the shit out of people. She punches before she thinks, but thats not because she's an angry feminist... she grew up in an environment where you had to fight to survive. Plus, she was in charge of her ragtag siblings, prepped to be a leader by her adoptive father. The difference is that seducing people and then beating them up won't really work for the problems she faces. So, conditions effect character. Black windows tactic works with the conditions of a modern world, and kinda points out the flaws in the men she seduces rather than her seducing. The problem is that marvel is trying to appeal more to kids so they gotta water down characters a bit. She's a morally grey character and that's why she's cool. It's not about being more manly because men exist in different conditions. I think if we want to see a more human side to black window, they could maybe show how she feels about her tactic, make her get fed up and lash out because changing the character without confronting the conditioned behavior washes away the humanity.
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  864.  @patrickparadis8623  I am team defeminization. Here's why; I am sick to death of seeing ass everywhere, ads, social media, tv, movies..yoga pants! It's too much. Men are inundated with soft porn everywhere we go and it's detrimental to male psychology imo. I would like to live my life on a higher level and not a hedonistic one (I know this is controversial and that is kind of my point). If #metoo proved anything to me its that we should retire the whole concept of sex object.
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  865.  @patrickparadis8623  Yet more bulshit from the critical drinker. It's not about how we treat the female characters it's about how other characters treat them. In "Edge of Tomorrow" our intro to Rita is hella sexy and is explicitly designed to make us go "damn she's hot". But no characters on-screen would dare refer to her or even talk about her like that. We know the actor is hot, other characters know the character is hot, but it's irrelevant to the plot. In fact, her strength as a character is emphasized by the irrelevance of her beauty to her ability to kick ass.
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  866.  @Aaronthegreatest  Yet more bulshit from the critical drinker. It's not about how we treat the female characters it's about how other characters treat them. In "Edge of Tomorrow" our intro to Rita is hella sexy and is explicitly designed to make us go "damn she's hot". But no characters on-screen would dare refer to her or even talk about her like that. We know the actor is hot, other characters know the character is hot, but it's irrelevant to the plot. In fact, her strength as a character is emphasized by the irrelevance of her beauty to her ability to kick ass.
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  867. @Lee Ara Yet more bulshit from the critical drinker. It's not about how we treat the female characters it's about how other characters treat them. In "Edge of Tomorrow" our intro to Rita is hella sexy and is explicitly designed to make us go "damn she's hot". But no characters on-screen would dare refer to her or even talk about her like that. We know the actor is hot, other characters know the character is hot, but it's irrelevant to the plot. In fact, her strength as a character is emphasized by the irrelevance of her beauty to her ability to kick ass.
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  868.  @myouiminaswaifu8458  Why do so many men consume it but would hate someone close to them being a p ⭐️.. You’re also the problem and don’t even realize it lol
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  869.  @myouiminaswaifu8458  There is nothing degrading about being a sex worker, sex work does not make you a lesser person or less educated and while you might end up being on the internet forever, as long as society doesn't judge you, that shouldn't be a big deal. Would I want my child (daughter OR SON) doing this stuff? No. Why? I don't trust some of the higher ups in these industries. Some of these people are shady and treat women particularly like crap. But that could improve and has made significant progress as more women started to take control. My second main reason is the misogyny my daughter would face by both men AND women (including Feminists) for simply recording and distributing something that most people do. Some of these women, maybe not in Japan but in America and Europe, make ridiculous amounts of money by simply showing the physical intimacy I their monogamous relationship between themselves and their partner. They're doing the same things they'd do, just recording and distributing it for tens of thousands to hundreds of thousands of dollars. Why does this affect them with regards to how they are perceived? Why should this affect them with regards to getting a job or running for office? How are they inherently bad people because they filmed themselves f*ck?
    1
  870. Honestly, I think that all this hate for Cassie is really messy and toxic... The main message of the show is literally " we all make bad decision, but nonetheless we're able to improve ourself. We should be less judicious towards others and ourself". But most people apply this message on everyone but Cassie. We all know Cassie has her fair share of mistakes, but its so overlooked that Nate is a manipulative person, not just with Maddy. We should remember that Cassie was deeply depressed and fragile, she felt empty and lonely, i personally think that Nate took advantage of her vulnerability to forget his feelings. I cant understand how so many people underestimate his influence on Cassie while Maddy has INCRIMINATED an INNOCENT person only to protect Nate. Also, i found the Lesley's play down straight cruel and humiliating to Cassie, because for me it was done with no particular moral intent, but mostly with envy. This is pure slutshaming for me. I think that season 2 was too ipocrite with the initial message and i hate the way Cassie has been represented. The narrative is really too ambiguous with her, because it begans to make her look like a ridiculous villain instead of a more real and complex character. We have all forgive Rue, even though she had ruined her family's life, she used to be manipulative and a liar, because she was obviously hurt. And likewise happens with every other characters. So why people can't even try to empathize a little with what Cassie is going through? This seems kinda misogyny to me...ops
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  871. i agree with you lol
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  872. Honestly, I think that all this hate for Cassie is really messy and toxic... The main message of the show is literally " we all make bad decision, but nonetheless we're able to improve ourself. We should be less judicious towards others and ourself". But most people apply this message on everyone but Cassie. We all know Cassie has her fair share of mistakes, but its so overlooked that Nate is a manipulative person, not just with Maddy. We should remember that Cassie was deeply depressed and fragile, she felt empty and lonely, i personally think that Nate took advantage of her vulnerability to forget his feelings. I cant understand how so many people underestimate his influence on Cassie while Maddy has INCRIMINATED an INNOCENT person only to protect Nate. Also, i found the Lesley's play down straight cruel and humiliating to Cassie, because for me it was done with no particular moral intent, but mostly with envy. This is pure slutshaming for me. I think that season 2 was too ipocrite with the initial message and i hate the way Cassie has been represented. The narrative is really too ambiguous with her, because it begans to make her look like a ridiculous villain instead of a more real and complex character. We have all forgive Rue, even though she had ruined her family's life, she used to be manipulative and a liar, because she was obviously hurt. And likewise happens with every other characters. So why people can't even try to empathize a little with what Cassie is going through? This seems kinda misogyny to me...ops
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  873.  @funlightfactory6031  I say this, I have met women who have had multiple sexual partners, have repented of their past behavior and make excellent mothers and wives. I have also met women who have married as virgins and become bitter, callus, and unfaithful in their marriages. Personally, my marriage ended from a woman who was unfaithful to me and we did it “the right way.” I am not saying multiple partner women or virgins are better, but I am saying see where she is at now. Where is her mind at now. What does she think of her past now. These things matter more holistically.
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  874. Honestly, I think that all this hate for Cassie is really messy and toxic... The main message of the show is literally " we all make bad decision, but nonetheless we're able to improve ourself. We should be less judicious towards others and ourself". But most people apply this message on everyone but Cassie. We all know Cassie has her fair share of mistakes, but its so overlooked that Nate is a manipulative person, not just with Maddy. We should remember that Cassie was deeply depressed and fragile, she felt empty and lonely, i personally think that Nate took advantage of her vulnerability to forget his feelings. I cant understand how so many people underestimate his influence on Cassie while Maddy has INCRIMINATED an INNOCENT person only to protect Nate. Also, i found the Lesley's play down straight cruel and humiliating to Cassie, because for me it was done with no particular moral intent, but mostly with envy. This is pure slutshaming for me. I think that season 2 was too ipocrite with the initial message and i hate the way Cassie has been represented. The narrative is really too ambiguous with her, because it begans to make her look like a ridiculous villain instead of a more real and complex character. We have all forgive Rue, even though she had ruined her family's life, she used to be manipulative and a liar, because she was obviously hurt. And likewise happens with every other characters. So why people can't even try to empathize a little with what Cassie is going through? This seems kinda misogyny to me...ops
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  875. I don't want to excuse Cassie for what she did, but people seem to be so desensitized with Nate and think he's only doing what's expected of him that they end up forgetting that he's the biggest problem here. Realistically, I would react the same way Maddie did, because Cassie broke her trust and if someone you bonded with so much just broke your trust and got with your ex-ABUSIVE boyfriend, that would deeply hurt you, but Nate needs to take responsibility for his actions as well, not just Cassie. He ain't even facing any consequences despite being so much of a jack-ass. He only got beaten once meanwhile Cassie always needs to take blame even before this entire incident. Plus, people seem to forget about Cassie's passion for ice skating. Instead of making season 2 about her trying to find herself after all the heartbreak, regaining her love for ice skating and pursuing it. I know that putting her together with Nate creates more drama, making it more interesting to viewers and that's what they want, but it's also kinda demeaning to Cassie as a person. I'm being way too invested but like I'm just kinda sad, I wanted Cassie to grow but her world only fell apart, and yes she did questionable things in the past, I don't excuse any of her wrongdoings but the point is wanting to see her grow and since she's literally just a character so I believe they could have molded her differently. Also like someone said, her true love doesn't have to be a man, it could be anyone, it doesn't have to be romantic. As long as it helps her grow and uplifts her, helps her become a better person, then that's who you can consider her true love. It's so sad to see Maddie and Cassie pitted against each other; "Bitch you're my soulmate"😭😭😭
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  876. i agree with this 100%
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  877. I love cassies character. Maybe I haven't seen a lot of movies but I haven't seen a lot of characters with mental problems depicted like she is. Like it's either the sweet anxious/depressed girl or the completely crazy one that's practically a joke. It's good to see a character who's spiralling deeper and deeper beyond help, hurting people around her, unable to break out of her habits even when she wants to. I've had depression too and been there, I want her to get better next season of course but it's sill kind of validating to watch? Weirdly enough. And I don't really mind the ppl who are angry with her, ppl aren't supposed to accommodate u just becuz you're mentally ill. U hv to clean up ur own shiet. And I like how even her family doesn't like her, like that's very real, you really can't expect anything when you're unstable. tbh
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  878. It's so weird to me that a country as open sexually as Japan is would have such a hard time accepting sex when it's someone they know. I don't have any issue of a family member wanted to join the sex industry. The industry you choose doesn't matter. What matters is how well you run your business, if you're paying your bills, and if what you're doing brings you joy. Rubbing bodies together is not a shame. Bad sex is a shame. Getting caught in debt traps is a shame. Not knowing how to provide for yourself or how to adapt to do something different and or better is a shame. Sex as an industry shouldn't be a shame.
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  879. Let me go against the grain here with regards to the popular opinion in the comment section. There is nothing degrading about being a sex worker, sex work does not make you a lesser person or less educated and while you might end up being on the internet forever, as long as society doesn't judge you, that shouldn't be a big deal. Would I want my child (daughter OR SON) doing this stuff? No. Why? I don't trust some of the higher ups in these industries. Some of these people are shady and treat women particularly like crap. But that could improve and has made significant progress as more women started to take control. My second main reason is the misogyny my daughter would face by both men AND women (including Feminists) for simply recording and distributing something that most people do. Some of these women, maybe not in Japan but in America and Europe, make ridiculous amounts of money by simply showing the physical intimacy I their monogamous relationship between themselves and their partner. They're doing the same things they'd do, just recording and distributing it for tens of thousands to hundreds of thousands of dollars. Why does this affect them with regards to how they are perceived? Why should this affect them with regards to getting a job or running for office? How are they inherently bad people because they filmed themselves f*ck?
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  881. Let me go against the grain here with regards to the popular opinion in the comment section. There is nothing degrading about being a sex worker, sex work does not make you a lesser person or less educated and while you might end up being on the internet forever, as long as society doesn't judge you, that shouldn't be a big deal. Would I want my child (daughter OR SON) doing this stuff? No. Why? I don't trust some of the higher ups in these industries. Some of these people are shady and treat women particularly like crap. But that could improve and has made significant progress as more women started to take control. My second main reason is the misogyny my daughter would face by both men AND women (including Feminists) for simply recording and distributing something that most people do. Some of these women, maybe not in Japan but in America and Europe, make ridiculous amounts of money by simply showing the physical intimacy I their monogamous relationship between themselves and their partner. They're doing the same things they'd do, just recording and distributing it for tens of thousands to hundreds of thousands of dollars. Why does this affect them with regards to how they are perceived? Why should this affect them with regards to getting a job or running for office? How are they inherently bad people because they filmed themselves f*ck?
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  882. Honestly, I think that all this hate for Cassie is really messy and toxic... The main message of the show is literally " we all make bad decision, but nonetheless we're able to improve ourself. We should be less judicious towards others and ourself". But most people apply this message on everyone but Cassie. We all know Cassie has her fair share of mistakes, but its so overlooked that Nate is a manipulative person, not just with Maddy. We should remember that Cassie was deeply depressed and fragile, she felt empty and lonely, i personally think that Nate took advantage of her vulnerability to forget his feelings. I cant understand how so many people underestimate his influence on Cassie while Maddy has INCRIMINATED an INNOCENT person only to protect Nate. Also, i found the Lesley's play down straight cruel and humiliating to Cassie, because for me it was done with no particular moral intent, but mostly with envy. This is pure slutshaming for me. I think that season 2 was too ipocrite with the initial message and i hate the way Cassie has been represented. The narrative is really too ambiguous with her, because it begans to make her look like a ridiculous villain instead of a more real and complex character. We have all forgive Rue, even though she had ruined her family's life, she used to be manipulative and a liar, because she was obviously hurt. And likewise happens with every other characters. So why people can't even try to empathize a little with what Cassie is going through? This seems kinda misogyny to me...ops
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  883. I love cassies character. Maybe I haven't seen a lot of movies but I haven't seen a lot of characters with mental problems depicted like she is. Like it's either the sweet anxious/depressed girl or the completely crazy one that's practically a joke. It's good to see a character who's spiralling deeper and deeper beyond help, hurting people around her, unable to break out of her habits even when she wants to. I've had depression too and been there, I want her to get better next season of course but it's sill kind of validating to watch? Weirdly enough. And I don't really mind the ppl who are angry with her, ppl aren't supposed to accommodate u just becuz you're mentally ill. U hv to clean up ur own shiet. And I like how even her family doesn't like her, like that's very real, you really can't expect anything when you're unstable. tbh
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  884.  @swiggydswirl330  Let me go against the grain here with regards to the popular opinion in the comment section. There is nothing degrading about being a sex worker, sex work does not make you a lesser person or less educated and while you might end up being on the internet forever, as long as society doesn't judge you, that shouldn't be a big deal. Would I want my child (daughter OR SON) doing this stuff? No. Why? I don't trust some of the higher ups in these industries. Some of these people are shady and treat women particularly like crap. But that could improve and has made significant progress as more women started to take control. My second main reason is the misogyny my daughter would face by both men AND women (including Feminists) for simply recording and distributing something that most people do. Some of these women, maybe not in Japan but in America and Europe, make ridiculous amounts of money by simply showing the physical intimacy I their monogamous relationship between themselves and their partner. They're doing the same things they'd do, just recording and distributing it for tens of thousands to hundreds of thousands of dollars. Why does this affect them with regards to how they are perceived? Why should this affect them with regards to getting a job or running for office? How are they inherently bad people because they filmed themselves f*ck?
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  885.  @croissant._.003  Some comments make me wonder what would they say if instead of a daughter, it was a son. Even this father, like, if he had a son who is a pronstar, would he be in this video? I've read a lot of people talking about how ashamed female pronstars should be, but when it comes to male, it's totally different, i've even seen people joking about how every men's dream job is to become a pronstar from age 13. Imo, both can be good or bad, of course, it is more common to have women being degraded in pron videos, even if it is a vanilla one, but i'm sure that there are bad sides for any gender. At least, there are people trying to change this scenario, maybe one day people will stop saying so many bad things about women who want to and work as pronstars, and just think that they chose this job, because they like it.
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  886.  @swiggydswirl330  Every job has its own risks and enjoyment. They too enjoy their porn careers instead of doing it out of desperation and as an easy way to earn money, times have changed, and people are getting more open-minded because they see porn as an art. There are also pornstars who plan an exit strategy even before they apply to a porn company. they get in and make huge bucks for 2 or 3 years (insane amounts of cash). then they move on with their lives. needless to say, they must be studying in colleges or doing something else alongside instead of just porn. many strippers and hustlers follow this exit strategy plan also. More than anything. Pornstars are people who for their passion have survived the criticism of the whole world. They went to follow their passion which gave them more satisfaction. There is also a huge online market of porn industries so why should they be ashamed of entering into that if that gives them satisfaction and money. I beg to differ with all people who oppose porn that you should really not watch it if you do not want to but the whole world is out there at night to watch. How are you going to control them?
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  887. @Arjun Khatri Every job has its own risks and enjoyment. They too enjoy their porn careers instead of doing it out of desperation and as an easy way to earn money, times have changed, and people are getting more open-minded because they see porn as an art. There are also pornstars who plan an exit strategy even before they apply to a porn company. they get in and make huge bucks for 2 or 3 years (insane amounts of cash). then they move on with their lives. needless to say, they must be studying in colleges or doing something else alongside instead of just porn. many strippers and hustlers follow this exit strategy plan also. More than anything. Pornstars are people who for their passion have survived the criticism of the whole world. They went to follow their passion which gave them more satisfaction. There is also a huge online market of porn industries so why should they be ashamed of entering into that if that gives them satisfaction and money. I beg to differ with all people who oppose porn that you should really not watch it if you do not want to but the whole world is out there at night to watch. How are you going to control them?
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  888.  @GrenvilleP710  Every job has its own risks and enjoyment. They too enjoy their porn careers instead of doing it out of desperation and as an easy way to earn money, times have changed, and people are getting more open-minded because they see porn as an art. There are also pornstars who plan an exit strategy even before they apply to a porn company. they get in and make huge bucks for 2 or 3 years (insane amounts of cash). then they move on with their lives. needless to say, they must be studying in colleges or doing something else alongside instead of just porn. many strippers and hustlers follow this exit strategy plan also. More than anything. Pornstars are people who for their passion have survived the criticism of the whole world. They went to follow their passion which gave them more satisfaction. There is also a huge online market of porn industries so why should they be ashamed of entering into that if that gives them satisfaction and money. I beg to differ with all people who oppose porn that you should really not watch it if you do not want to but the whole world is out there at night to watch. How are you going to control them?
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  889. @SF5Virus Every job has its own risks and enjoyment. They too enjoy their porn careers instead of doing it out of desperation and as an easy way to earn money, times have changed, and people are getting more open-minded because they see porn as an art. There are also pornstars who plan an exit strategy even before they apply to a porn company. they get in and make huge bucks for 2 or 3 years (insane amounts of cash). then they move on with their lives. needless to say, they must be studying in colleges or doing something else alongside instead of just porn. many strippers and hustlers follow this exit strategy plan also. More than anything. Pornstars are people who for their passion have survived the criticism of the whole world. They went to follow their passion which gave them more satisfaction. There is also a huge online market of porn industries so why should they be ashamed of entering into that if that gives them satisfaction and money. I beg to differ with all people who oppose porn that you should really not watch it if you do not want to but the whole world is out there at night to watch. How are you going to control them?
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  890.  @greenbeanpostman  Every job has its own risks and enjoyment. They too enjoy their porn careers instead of doing it out of desperation and as an easy way to earn money, times have changed, and people are getting more open-minded because they see porn as an art. There are also pornstars who plan an exit strategy even before they apply to a porn company. they get in and make huge bucks for 2 or 3 years (insane amounts of cash). then they move on with their lives. needless to say, they must be studying in colleges or doing something else alongside instead of just porn. many strippers and hustlers follow this exit strategy plan also. More than anything. Pornstars are people who for their passion have survived the criticism of the whole world. They went to follow their passion which gave them more satisfaction. There is also a huge online market of porn industries so why should they be ashamed of entering into that if that gives them satisfaction and money. I beg to differ with all people who oppose porn that you should really not watch it if you do not want to but the whole world is out there at night to watch. How are you going to control them?
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  891.  @emira9135  Every job has its own risks and enjoyment. They too enjoy their porn careers instead of doing it out of desperation and as an easy way to earn money, times have changed, and people are getting more open-minded because they see porn as an art. There are also pornstars who plan an exit strategy even before they apply to a porn company. they get in and make huge bucks for 2 or 3 years (insane amounts of cash). then they move on with their lives. needless to say, they must be studying in colleges or doing something else alongside instead of just porn. many strippers and hustlers follow this exit strategy plan also. More than anything. Pornstars are people who for their passion have survived the criticism of the whole world. They went to follow their passion which gave them more satisfaction. There is also a huge online market of porn industries so why should they be ashamed of entering into that if that gives them satisfaction and money. I beg to differ with all people who oppose porn that you should really not watch it if you do not want to but the whole world is out there at night to watch. How are you going to control them?
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  892.  @maya.riv.1011  Every job has its own risks and enjoyment. They too enjoy their porn careers instead of doing it out of desperation and as an easy way to earn money, times have changed, and people are getting more open-minded because they see porn as an art. There are also pornstars who plan an exit strategy even before they apply to a porn company. they get in and make huge bucks for 2 or 3 years (insane amounts of cash). then they move on with their lives. needless to say, they must be studying in colleges or doing something else alongside instead of just porn. many strippers and hustlers follow this exit strategy plan also. More than anything. Pornstars are people who for their passion have survived the criticism of the whole world. They went to follow their passion which gave them more satisfaction. There is also a huge online market of porn industries so why should they be ashamed of entering into that if that gives them satisfaction and money. I beg to differ with all people who oppose porn that you should really not watch it if you do not want to but the whole world is out there at night to watch. How are you going to control them?
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  893. I know right ? And they will turn around and celebrate when male sex workers share their experience 100%
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  894. Honestly, I think that all this hate for Cassie is really messy and toxic... The main message of the show is literally " we all make bad decision, but nonetheless we're able to improve ourself. We should be less judicious towards others and ourself". But most people apply this message on everyone but Cassie. We all know Cassie has her fair share of mistakes, but its so overlooked that Nate is a manipulative person, not just with Maddy. We should remember that Cassie was deeply depressed and fragile, she felt empty and lonely, i personally think that Nate took advantage of her vulnerability to forget his feelings. I cant understand how so many people underestimate his influence on Cassie while Maddy has INCRIMINATED an INNOCENT person only to protect Nate. Also, i found the Lesley's play down straight cruel and humiliating to Cassie, because for me it was done with no particular moral intent, but mostly with envy. This is pure slutshaming for me. I think that season 2 was too ipocrite with the initial message and i hate the way Cassie has been represented. The narrative is really too ambiguous with her, because it begans to make her look like a ridiculous villain instead of a more real and complex character. We have all forgive Rue, even though she had ruined her family's life, she used to be manipulative and a liar, because she was obviously hurt. And likewise happens with every other characters. So why people can't even try to empathize a little with what Cassie is going through? This seems kinda misogyny to me...ops
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  895.  @alexdhamp  Every job has its own risks and enjoyment. They too enjoy their porn careers instead of doing it out of desperation and as an easy way to earn money, times have changed, and people are getting more open-minded because they see porn as an art. There are also pornstars who plan an exit strategy even before they apply to a porn company. they get in and make huge bucks for 2 or 3 years (insane amounts of cash). then they move on with their lives. needless to say, they must be studying in colleges or doing something else alongside instead of just porn. many strippers and hustlers follow this exit strategy plan also. More than anything. Pornstars are people who for their passion have survived the criticism of the whole world. They went to follow their passion which gave them more satisfaction. There is also a huge online market of porn industries so why should they be ashamed of entering into that if that gives them satisfaction and money. I beg to differ with all people who oppose porn that you should really not watch it if you do not want to but the whole world is out there at night to watch. How are you going to control them?
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  896.  @shaemccoy7445  Btw, whats your opinion on Jenny from Forrest Gump as a character ? She is also a flawed female character that get hated a lot for the way she treated Forrest, but Idc what anybody says, Jenny is my favorite character because i can empathize with her due to her upbringing, there is more to her than meets the eye, same goes for character like her, Bojack Horseman, you can find their actions intolerable and still empathize with them, abusive upbringing can damage a person's mind drastically.
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  897. @Lyba 🦋 It's true for women and for men as well, I wouldn't suggest a virgin woman to marry a man who has been promiscuous. They are most likely to cheat, introduce porn or suggest open marriages because they are used to being unsatisfied. And also every woman wants to be discovered personally not being mistaken for another or supposed to be like another. And so the idea that a promiscuous man knows his way through the woman's body is not true what is true is he compares the next women to all of the others and has no time to be intimate or can't be intimate with the next one because he assumes he knows all of them.
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  898. I'm a Singaporean, i can tell u what my friends says that if u are single, u wish you are married. But when u are married, u wish u were single again. The grass is always greener on the other side
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  899. I certainly found being single makes me happier as a person, thats not to say i'm shaming women who want to get marry. Being single has its pros and cons, but i'm just content with the way i live, and thats what peole should try to be tbh😊
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  900. I love cassies character. Maybe I haven't seen a lot of movies but I haven't seen a lot of characters with mental problems depicted like she is. Like it's either the sweet anxious/depressed girl or the completely crazy one that's practically a joke. It's good to see a character who's spiralling deeper and deeper beyond help, hurting people around her, unable to break out of her habits even when she wants to. I've had depression too and been there, I want her to get better next season of course but it's sill kind of validating to watch? Weirdly enough. And I don't really mind the ppl who are angry with her, ppl aren't supposed to accommodate u just becuz you're mentally ill. U hv to clean up ur own shiet. And I like how even her family doesn't like her, like that's very real, you really can't expext anything when you're unstable.
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  901. Honestly, I think that all this hate for Cassie is really messy and toxic... The main message of the show is literally " we all make bad decision, but nonetheless we're able to improve ourself. We should be less judicious towards others and ourself". But most people apply this message on everyone but Cassie. We all know Cassie has her fair share of mistakes, but its so overlooked that Nate is a manipulative person, not just with Maddy. We should remember that Cassie was deeply depressed and fragile, she felt empty and lonely, i personally think that Nate took advantage of her vulnerability to forget his feelings. I cant understand how so many people underestimate his influence on Cassie while Maddy has INCRIMINATED an INNOCENT person only to protect Nate. Also, i found the Lesley's play down straight cruel and humiliating to Cassie, because for me it was done with no particular moral intent, but mostly with envy. This is pure slutshaming for me. I think that season 2 was too ipocrite with the initial message and i hate the way Cassie has been represented. The narrative is really too ambiguous with her, because it begans to make her look like a ridiculous villain instead of a more real and complex character. We have all forgive Rue, even though she had ruined her family's life, she used to be manipulative and a liar, because she was obviously hurt. And likewise happens with every other characters. So why people can't even try to empathize a little with what Cassie is going through? This seems kinda misogyny to me...ops
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  902. I don't want to excuse Cassie for what she did, but people seem to be so desensitized with Nate and think he's only doing what's expected of him that they end up forgetting that he's the biggest problem here. Realistically, I would react the same way Maddie did, because Cassie broke her trust and if someone you bonded with so much just broke your trust and got with your ex-ABUSIVE boyfriend, that would deeply hurt you, but Nate needs to take responsibility for his actions as well, not just Cassie. He ain't even facing any consequences despite being so much of a jack-ass. He only got beaten once meanwhile Cassie always needs to take blame even before this entire incident. Plus, people seem to forget about Cassie's passion for ice skating. Instead of making season 2 about her trying to find herself after all the heartbreak, regaining her love for ice skating and pursuing it. I know that putting her together with Nate creates more drama, making it more interesting to viewers and that's what they want, but it's also kinda demeaning to Cassie as a person. I'm being way too invested but like I'm just kinda sad, I wanted Cassie to grow but her world only fell apart, and yes she did questionable things in the past, I don't excuse any of her wrongdoings but the point is wanting to see her grow and since she's literally just a character so I believe they could have molded her differently. Also like someone said, her true love doesn't have to be a man, it could be anyone, it doesn't have to be romantic. As long as it helps her grow and uplifts her, helps her become a better person, then that's who you can consider her true love. It's so sad to see Maddie and Cassie pitted against each other; "Bitch you're my soulmate"😭😭😭
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  903. Let me go against the grain here with regards to the popular opinion in the comment section. There is nothing degrading about being a sex worker, sex work does not make you a lesser person or less educated and while you might end up being on the internet forever, as long as society doesn't judge you, that shouldn't be a big deal. Would I want my child (daughter OR SON) doing this stuff? No. Why? I don't trust some of the higher ups in these industries. Some of these people are shady and treat women particularly like crap. But that could improve and has made significant progress as more women started to take control. My second main reason is the misogyny my daughter would face by both men AND women (including Feminists) for simply recording and distributing something that most people do. Some of these women, maybe not in Japan but in America and Europe, make ridiculous amounts of money by simply showing the physical intimacy I their monogamous relationship between themselves and their partner. They're doing the same things they'd do, just recording and distributing it for tens of thousands to hundreds of thousands of dollars. Why does this affect them with regards to how they are perceived? Why should this affect them with regards to getting a job or running for office? How are they inherently bad people because they filmed themselves f*ck?
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  904.  @AliciaMully  i agree with you lol
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  905. Some comments make me wonder what would they say if instead of a daughter, it was a son. Even this father, like, if he had a son who is a pronstar, would he be in this video? I've read a lot of people talking about how ashamed female pronstars should be, but when it comes to male, it's totally different, i've even seen people joking about how every men's dream job is to become a pronstar from age 13. Imo, both can be good or bad, of course, it is more common to have women being degraded in pron videos, even if it is a vanilla one, but i'm sure that there are bad sides for any gender. At least, there are people trying to change this scenario, maybe one day people will stop saying so many bad things about women who want to and work as pronstars, and just think that they chose this job, because they like it.
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  906. Honestly, I think that all this hate for Cassie is really messy and toxic... The main message of the show is literally " we all make bad decision, but nonetheless we're able to improve ourself. We should be less judicious towards others and ourself". But most people apply this message on everyone but Cassie. We all know Cassie has her fair share of mistakes, but its so overlooked that Nate is a manipulative person, not just with Maddy. We should remember that Cassie was deeply depressed and fragile, she felt empty and lonely, i personally think that Nate took advantage of her vulnerability to forget his feelings. I cant understand how so many people underestimate his influence on Cassie while Maddy has INCRIMINATED an INNOCENT person only to protect Nate. Also, i found the Lesley's play down straight cruel and humiliating to Cassie, because for me it was done with no particular moral intent, but mostly with envy. This is pure slutshaming for me. I think that season 2 was too ipocrite with the initial message and i hate the way Cassie has been represented. The narrative is really too ambiguous with her, because it begans to make her look like a ridiculous villain instead of a more real and complex character. We have all forgive Rue, even though she had ruined her family's life, she used to be manipulative and a liar, because she was obviously hurt. And likewise happens with every other characters. So why people can't even try to empathize a little with what Cassie is going through? This seems kinda misogyny to me...ops
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  907. The part about how actually relatable Cassie's behavior is to young girl's is true for some people. I've seen this behavior but also amongst grown-ups. I've done this myself to some degree but I could never loose myself for someone else. A bit like Maddy but not completely. Which is why I am so disappointed at Cassie but still gets her. And it's often because of this patriarchal society brainwashing everyone, with an uterus, to behave that way while at the same time shaming us for doing it too. Damn if you do, damn if you don't. And it does tells us, no matter what gender, to loose ourselves into this one person because that's true love. No that's what's called toxic monogamy.
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  908. I think the argument is too black and white. Either its all female voodoo or a girly with an apes bod. Women don't need muscle to be strong, but they need more than a body to be a good character. I think Arcane does a spectacular job at writing women who are people before their gender. For instance the punching Powerhouse Vi, who beats the shit out of people. She punches before she thinks, but thats not because she's an angry feminist... she grew up in an environment where you had to fight to survive. Plus, she was in charge of her ragtag siblings, prepped to be a leader by her adoptive father. The difference is that seducing people and then beating them up won't really work for the problems she faces. So, conditions effect character. Black windows tactic works with the conditions of a modern world, and kinda points out the flaws in the men she seduces rather than her seducing. The problem is that marvel is trying to appeal more to kids so they gotta water down characters a bit. She's a morally grey character and that's why she's cool. It's not about being more manly because men exist in different conditions. I think if we want to see a more human side to black window, they could maybe show how she feels about her tactic, make her get fed up and lash out because changing the character without confronting the conditioned behavior washes away the humanity.
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  909. Yet more bulshit from the critical drinker. It's not about how we treat the female characters it's about how other characters treat them. In "Edge of Tomorrow" our intro to Rita is hella sexy and is explicitly designed to make us go "damn she's hot". But no characters on-screen would dare refer to her or even talk about her like that. We know the actor is hot, other characters know the character is hot, but it's irrelevant to the plot. In fact, her strength as a character is emphasized by the irrelevance of her beauty to her ability to kick ass.
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  910.  @twiddledeeable  The part about how actually relatable Cassie's behavior is to young girl's is true for some people. I've seen this behavior but also amongst grown-ups. I've done this myself to some degree but I could never loose myself for someone else. A bit like Maddy but not completely. Which is why I am so disappointed at Cassie but still gets her. And it's often because of this patriarchal society brainwashing everyone, with an uterus, to behave that way while at the same time shaming us for doing it too. Damn if you do, damn if you don't. And it does tells us, no matter what gender, to loose ourselves into this one person because that's true love. No that's what's called toxic monogamy.
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  911.  @clapdemcheeks8111  This comments section is the biggest yikes fest I have ever seen. Literally NOTHING but sex-shaming. We've got a whole lot of work to do when there are hundreds of people unifying around the notion that there is something wrong to consenting to do sex work. Being against sex work or ashamed of it will literally never make sense; the overwhelming majority of y'all aren't even virgins, and have likely had multiple partners, yet somebody choosing to take what you're already doing for free and turn it into a profit is somehow problematic? Even if you wanted to suggest that your sexual encounters were "special" and "not just with anybody," that's ignoring that that's simply YOUR choice, and that not everybody shares those values. On the other hand, that's also devaluing the joy of the work. Not every porn star JUST does it for the money; MANY sex workers do it BECAUSE it is also special for them, too. Perhaps not in the same way, but special nonetheless. Surely y'all understand that just because this is a Japanese channel, you don't actually have to BE like the Japanese, that is, ruthlessly close-minded and conservative, right? Not to mention, this notion the porn "follows" you is just being overly-simplistic. In much the same way that you can still find employment despite being fired from the five jobs you held prior, you can also find employment without your employer ever knowing you did sex work. Same too, you can also enter into meaningful relationships as well. Obviously, not everybody is comfortable dating somebody who is or was a sex worker, but then, I'm not comfortable dating close-minded sex-shaming assholes like the hundreds of y'all in the comments, so really, maybe we should just let people make their consensual choices and shut the actual fuck up if we don't personally agree with them, HMM?!
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  912.  @ciscotx74  I say this, I have met women who have had multiple sexual partners, have repented of their past behavior and make excellent mothers and wives. I have also met women who have married as virgins and become bitter, callus, and unfaithful in their marriages. Personally, my marriage ended from a woman who was unfaithful to me and we did it “the right way.” I am not saying multiple partner women or virgins are better, but I am saying see where she is at now. Where is her mind at now. What does she think of her past now. These things matter more holistically.
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  913.  @MrBooblo086  Some comments make me wonder what would they say if instead of a daughter, it was a son. Even this father, like, if he had a son who is a pronstar, would he be in this video? I've read a lot of people talking about how ashamed female pronstars should be, but when it comes to male, it's totally different, i've even seen people joking about how every men's dream job is to become a pronstar from age 13. Imo, both can be good or bad, of course, it is more common to have women being degraded in pron videos, even if it is a vanilla one, but i'm sure that there are bad sides for any gender. At least, there are people trying to change this scenario, maybe one day people will stop saying so many bad things about women who want to and work as pronstars, and just think that they chose this job, because they like it.
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  914.  @alexarias5717  i agree with this 100%
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  915. I love cassies character. Maybe I haven't seen a lot of movies but I haven't seen a lot of characters with mental problems depicted like she is. Like it's either the sweet anxious/depressed girl or the completely crazy one that's practically a joke. It's good to see a character who's spiralling deeper and deeper beyond help, hurting people around her, unable to break out of her habits even when she wants to. I've had depression too and been there, I want her to get better next season of course but it's sill kind of validating to watch? Weirdly enough. And I don't really mind the ppl who are angry with her, ppl aren't supposed to accommodate u just becuz you're mentally ill. U hv to clean up ur own shiet. And I like how even her family doesn't like her, like that's very real, you really can't expext anything when you're unstable.
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  916. When a woman is still single, it doesn’t mean she is a loser or not liked. Some of them just want to work on their career and whatever they like and they do not prioritize relationship yet. Some just don’t care because they haven’t met the person they like, they have high standards. Tbh, it is better to work on yourself and you’ll meet the right person at the right time. Sometimes the people that rush in relationships just because of peer pressure or they like the thought of love are miserable. Like some of those who get married. They get married because they like the thought of it, the wedding, not being a “loser” before they pass the age 30, etc but in reality, as times passes by they cannot accept the cons in marriage. They can end up fighting, divorce, etc. It’s good not to rush in being in a relationship. Work on yourself and everything will fall in place. :) Don’t let others pressure you. They’re not the one who will live your life. I noticed most people I know get pressured easily and are afraid to not be in a relationship. When someone is beautiful, people will say, “oh she has high standards so she might be single forever. “ If the girl is not that good looking according to their beauty standard, they will say,”not pretty…no guy will like her.” Most people will have unsolicited advices. So I hope you do not live by what they say. Be in a relationship to be HAPPIER. not to be happy but HAPPIER. :)
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  917. Honestly, I think that all this hate for Cassie is really messy and toxic... The main message of the show is literally " we all make bad decision, but nonetheless we're able to improve ourself. We should be less judicious towards others and ourself". But most people apply this message on everyone but Cassie. We all know Cassie has her fair share of mistakes, but its so overlooked that Nate is a manipulative person, not just with Maddy. We should remember that Cassie was deeply depressed and fragile, she felt empty and lonely, i personally think that Nate took advantage of her vulnerability to forget his feelings. I cant understand how so many people underestimate his influence on Cassie while Maddy has INCRIMINATED an INNOCENT person only to protect Nate. Also, i found the Lesley's play down straight cruel and humiliating to Cassie, because for me it was done with no particular moral intent, but mostly with envy. This is pure slutshaming for me. I think that season 2 was too ipocrite with the initial message and i hate the way Cassie has been represented. The narrative is really too ambiguous with her, because it begans to make her look like a ridiculous villain instead of a more real and complex character. We have all forgive Rue, even though she had ruined her family's life, she used to be manipulative and a liar, because she was obviously hurt. And likewise happens with every other characters. So why people can't even try to empathize a little with what Cassie is going through? This seems kinda misogyny to me...ops
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  918. It's so weird to me that a country as open sexually as Japan is would have such a hard time accepting sex when it's someone they know. I don't have any issue of a family member wanted to join the sex industry. The industry you choose doesn't matter. What matters is how well you run your business, if you're paying your bills, and if what you're doing brings you joy. Rubbing bodies together is not a shame. Bad sex is a shame. Getting caught in debt traps is a shame. Not knowing how to provide for yourself or how to adapt to do something different and or better is a shame. Sex as an industry shouldn't be a shame.
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  919. i agree 100%
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  920. Being a single woman and getting old. In my opinion, marriage or even a relationship isn't for everybody. Too many people made to believe it is.
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  921. I love cassies character. Maybe I haven't seen a lot of movies but I haven't seen a lot of characters with mental problems depicted like she is. Like it's either the sweet anxious/depressed girl or the completely crazy one that's practically a joke. It's good to see a character who's spiralling deeper and deeper beyond help, hurting people around her, unable to break out of her habits even when she wants to. I've had depression too and been there, I want her to get better next season of course but it's sill kind of validating to watch? Weirdly enough. And I don't really mind the ppl who are angry with her, ppl aren't supposed to accommodate u just becuz you're mentally ill. U hv to clean up ur own shiet. And I like how even her family doesn't like her, like that's very real, you really can't expext anything when you're unstable. tbh
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  922. Honestly, I think that all this hate for Cassie is really messy and toxic... The main message of the show is literally " we all make bad decision, but nonetheless we're able to improve ourself. We should be less judicious towards others and ourself". But most people apply this message on everyone but Cassie. We all know Cassie has her fair share of mistakes, but its so overlooked that Nate is a manipulative person, not just with Maddy. We should remember that Cassie was deeply depressed and fragile, she felt empty and lonely, i personally think that Nate took advantage of her vulnerability to forget his feelings. I cant understand how so many people underestimate his influence on Cassie while Maddy has INCRIMINATED an INNOCENT person only to protect Nate. Also, i found the Lesley's play down straight cruel and humiliating to Cassie, because for me it was done with no particular moral intent, but mostly with envy. This is pure slutshaming for me. I think that season 2 was too ipocrite with the initial message and i hate the way Cassie has been represented. The narrative is really too ambiguous with her, because it begans to make her look like a ridiculous villain instead of a more real and complex character. We have all forgive Rue, even though she had ruined her family's life, she used to be manipulative and a liar, because she was obviously hurt. And likewise happens with every other characters. So why people can't even try to empathize a little with what Cassie is going through? This seems kinda misogyny to me...ops
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  923. Honestly, I think that all this hate for Cassie is really messy and toxic... The main message of the show is literally " we all make bad decision, but nonetheless we're able to improve ourself. We should be less judicious towards others and ourself". But most people apply this message on everyone but Cassie. We all know Cassie has her fair share of mistakes, but its so overlooked that Nate is a manipulative person, not just with Maddy. We should remember that Cassie was deeply depressed and fragile, she felt empty and lonely, i personally think that Nate took advantage of her vulnerability to forget his feelings. I cant understand how so many people underestimate his influence on Cassie while Maddy has INCRIMINATED an INNOCENT person only to protect Nate. Also, i found the Lesley's play down straight cruel and humiliating to Cassie, because for me it was done with no particular moral intent, but mostly with envy. This is pure slutshaming for me. I think that season 2 was too ipocrite with the initial message and i hate the way Cassie has been represented. The narrative is really too ambiguous with her, because it begans to make her look like a ridiculous villain instead of a more real and complex character. We have all forgive Rue, even though she had ruined her family's life, she used to be manipulative and a liar, because she was obviously hurt. And likewise happens with every other characters. So why people can't even try to empathize a little with what Cassie is going through? This seems kinda misogyny to me...ops
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  924. Honestly, I think that all this hate for Cassie is really messy and toxic... The main message of the show is literally " we all make bad decision, but nonetheless we're able to improve ourself. We should be less judicious towards others and ourself". But most people apply this message on everyone but Cassie. We all know Cassie has her fair share of mistakes, but its so overlooked that Nate is a manipulative person, not just with Maddy. We should remember that Cassie was deeply depressed and fragile, she felt empty and lonely, i personally think that Nate took advantage of her vulnerability to forget his feelings. I cant understand how so many people underestimate his influence on Cassie while Maddy has INCRIMINATED an INNOCENT person only to protect Nate. Also, i found the Lesley's play down straight cruel and humiliating to Cassie, because for me it was done with no particular moral intent, but mostly with envy. This is pure slutshaming for me. I think that season 2 was too ipocrite with the initial message and i hate the way Cassie has been represented. The narrative is really too ambiguous with her, because it begans to make her look like a ridiculous villain instead of a more real and complex character. We have all forgive Rue, even though she had ruined her family's life, she used to be manipulative and a liar, because she was obviously hurt. And likewise happens with every other characters. So why people can't even try to empathize a little with what Cassie is going through? This seems kinda misogyny to me...ops
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  925. Let me go against the grain here with regards to the popular opinion in the comment section. There is nothing degrading about being a sex worker, sex work does not make you a lesser person or less educated and while you might end up being on the internet forever, as long as society doesn't judge you, that shouldn't be a big deal. Would I want my child (daughter OR SON) doing this stuff? No. Why? I don't trust some of the higher ups in these industries. Some of these people are shady and treat women particularly like crap. But that could improve and has made significant progress as more women started to take control. My second main reason is the misogyny my daughter would face by both men AND women (including Feminists) for simply recording and distributing something that most people do. Some of these women, maybe not in Japan but in America and Europe, make ridiculous amounts of money by simply showing the physical intimacy I their monogamous relationship between themselves and their partner. They're doing the same things they'd do, just recording and distributing it for tens of thousands to hundreds of thousands of dollars. Why does this affect them with regards to how they are perceived? Why should this affect them with regards to getting a job or running for office? How are they inherently bad people because they filmed themselves f*ck?
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  926. It's true for women and for men as well, I wouldn't suggest a virgin woman to marry a man who has been promiscuous. They are most likely to cheat, introduce porn or suggest open marriages because they are used to being unsatisfied. And also every woman wants to be discovered personally not being mistaken for another or supposed to be like another. And so the idea that a promiscuous man knows his way through the woman's body is not true what is true is he compares the next women to all of the others and has no time to be intimate or can't be intimate with the next one because he assumes he knows all of them.
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  927. I guess that I'm the weirdo that I don't care about her body count, but she can't ask me what I did in my past if I can't ask her about it, I'm pretty sure that my body count will be much higher than her anyway. I even had a striptease dancer as a girlfriend, she did go home with me, not with anyone else and that girl was better than the normal girlfriends that I've had, much sweeter, much more woman like, she treated me like a king and that felt pretty nice to be wanted like that. When you ask a woman about her ex, it sends the wrong vibes to her... I never ask about that and I don't want to know any of it and I couldn't care less about her past, but if she ever wants to tell me anything about her past I need her to be completely honest about it, never lie about it because that means I'll show her the door and have her stuff packed for her and put her on the street. I just don't tolerate people lying to me, I'll end the relationship, friendship with anyone who lies to me in an instant, she needs to be able to handle my brutal honesty too, for example if she asks me if her pants make her butt look big or whatever and that's the case then expect an answer you're not going to like very much because I'll tell her and don't even think about it anymore. Or I just start laughing and make a joke about it and leave her with that thought, then I know she's never going to ask me that question again. lol
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  928. I guess that I'm the weirdo that I don't care about her body count, but she can't ask me what I did in my past if I can't ask her about it, I'm pretty sure that my body count will be much higher than her anyway. I even had a striptease dancer as a girlfriend, she did go home with me, not with anyone else and that girl was better than the normal girlfriends that I've had, much sweeter, much more woman like, she treated me like a king and that felt pretty nice to be wanted like that. When you ask a woman about her ex, it sends the wrong vibes to her... I never ask about that and I don't want to know any of it and I couldn't care less about her past, but if she ever wants to tell me anything about her past I need her to be completely honest about it, never lie about it because that means I'll show her the door and have her stuff packed for her and put her on the street. I just don't tolerate people lying to me, I'll end the relationship, friendship with anyone who lies to me in an instant, she needs to be able to handle my brutal honesty too, for example if she asks me if her pants make her butt look big or whatever and that's the case then expect an answer you're not going to like very much because I'll tell her and don't even think about it anymore. Or I just start laughing and make a joke about it and leave her with that thought, then I know she's never going to ask me that question again. lol
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  929. I don't want to excuse Cassie for what she did, but people seem to be so desensitized with Nate and think he's only doing what's expected of him that they end up forgetting that he's the biggest problem here. Realistically, I would react the same way Maddie did, because Cassie broke her trust and if someone you bonded with so much just broke your trust and got with your ex-ABUSIVE boyfriend, that would deeply hurt you, but Nate needs to take responsibility for his actions as well, not just Cassie. He ain't even facing any consequences despite being so much of a jack-ass. He only got beaten once meanwhile Cassie always needs to take blame even before this entire incident. Plus, people seem to forget about Cassie's passion for ice skating. Instead of making season 2 about her trying to find herself after all the heartbreak, regaining her love for ice skating and pursuing it. I know that putting her together with Nate creates more drama, making it more interesting to viewers and that's what they want, but it's also kinda demeaning to Cassie as a person. I'm being way too invested but like I'm just kinda sad, I wanted Cassie to grow but her world only fell apart, and yes she did questionable things in the past, I don't excuse any of her wrongdoings but the point is wanting to see her grow and since she's literally just a character so I believe they could have molded her differently. Also like someone said, her true love doesn't have to be a man, it could be anyone, it doesn't have to be romantic. As long as it helps her grow and uplifts her, helps her become a better person, then that's who you can consider her true love. It's so sad to see Maddie and Cassie pitted against each other; "Bitch you're my soulmate"😭😭😭
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  930.  @april4524  I love cassies character. Maybe I haven't seen a lot of movies but I haven't seen a lot of characters with mental problems depicted like she is. Like it's either the sweet anxious/depressed girl or the completely crazy one that's practically a joke. It's good to see a character who's spiralling deeper and deeper beyond help, hurting people around her, unable to break out of her habits even when she wants to. I've had depression too and been there, I want her to get better next season of course but it's sill kind of validating to watch? Weirdly enough. And I don't really mind the ppl who are angry with her, ppl aren't supposed to accommodate u just becuz you're mentally ill. U hv to clean up ur own shiet. And I like how even her family doesn't like her, like that's very real, you really can't expext anything when you're unstable.
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  931. Honestly, I think that all this hate for Cassie is really messy and toxic... The main message of the show is literally " we all make bad decision, but nonetheless we're able to improve ourself. We should be less judicious towards others and ourself". But most people apply this message on everyone but Cassie. We all know Cassie has her fair share of mistakes, but its so overlooked that Nate is a manipulative person, not just with Maddy. We should remember that Cassie was deeply depressed and fragile, she felt empty and lonely, i personally think that Nate took advantage of her vulnerability to forget his feelings. I cant understand how so many people underestimate his influence on Cassie while Maddy has INCRIMINATED an INNOCENT person only to protect Nate. Also, i found the Lesley's play down straight cruel and humiliating to Cassie, because for me it was done with no particular moral intent, but mostly with envy. This is pure slutshaming for me. I think that season 2 was too ipocrite with the initial message and i hate the way Cassie has been represented. The narrative is really too ambiguous with her, because it begans to make her look like a ridiculous villain instead of a more real and complex character. We have all forgive Rue, even though she had ruined her family's life, she used to be manipulative and a liar, because she was obviously hurt. And likewise happens with every other characters. So why people can't even try to empathize a little with what Cassie is going through? This seems kinda misogyny to me...ops
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  932. I love cassies character. Maybe I haven't seen a lot of movies but I haven't seen a lot of characters with mental problems depicted like she is. Like it's either the sweet anxious/depressed girl or the completely crazy one that's practically a joke. It's good to see a character who's spiralling deeper and deeper beyond help, hurting people around her, unable to break out of her habits even when she wants to. I've had depression too and been there, I want her to get better next season of course but it's sill kind of validating to watch? Weirdly enough. And I don't really mind the ppl who are angry with her, ppl aren't supposed to accommodate u just becuz you're mentally ill. U hv to clean up ur own shiet. And I like how even her family doesn't like her, like that's very real, you really can't expext anything when you're unstable. tbh
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  933. Some comments make me wonder what would they say if instead of a daughter, it was a son. Even this father, like, if he had a son who is a pronstar, would he be in this video? I've read a lot of people talking about how ashamed female pronstars should be, but when it comes to male, it's totally different, i've even seen people joking about how every men's dream job is to become a pronstar from age 13. Imo, both can be good or bad, of course, it is more common to have women being degraded in pron videos, even if it is a vanilla one, but i'm sure that there are bad sides for any gender. At least, there are people trying to change this scenario, maybe one day people will stop saying so many bad things about women who want to and work as pronstars, and just think that they chose this job, because they like it.
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  934.  @darliiingz03  I am team defeminization. Here's why; I am sick to death of seeing ass everywhere, ads, social media, tv, movies..yoga pants! It's too much. Men are inundated with soft porn everywhere we go and it's detrimental to male psychology imo. I would like to live my life on a higher level and not a hedonistic one (I know this is controversial and that is kind of my point). If #metoo proved anything to me its that we should retire the whole concept of sex object.
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  935.  @prisma6799  Let me go against the grain here with regards to the popular opinion in the comment section. There is nothing degrading about being a sex worker, sex work does not make you a lesser person or less educated and while you might end up being on the internet forever, as long as society doesn't judge you, that shouldn't be a big deal. Would I want my child (daughter OR SON) doing this stuff? No. Why? I don't trust some of the higher ups in these industries. Some of these people are shady and treat women particularly like crap. But that could improve and has made significant progress as more women started to take control. My second main reason is the misogyny my daughter would face by both men AND women (including Feminists) for simply recording and distributing something that most people do. Some of these women, maybe not in Japan but in America and Europe, make ridiculous amounts of money by simply showing the physical intimacy I their monogamous relationship between themselves and their partner. They're doing the same things they'd do, just recording and distributing it for tens of thousands to hundreds of thousands of dollars. Why does this affect them with regards to how they are perceived? Why should this affect them with regards to getting a job or running for office? How are they inherently bad people because they filmed themselves f*ck?
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  936. Let me go against the grain here with regards to the popular opinion in the comment section. There is nothing degrading about being a sex worker, sex work does not make you a lesser person or less educated and while you might end up being on the internet forever, as long as society doesn't judge you, that shouldn't be a big deal. Would I want my child (daughter OR SON) doing this stuff? No. Why? I don't trust some of the higher ups in these industries. Some of these people are shady and treat women particularly like crap. But that could improve and has made significant progress as more women started to take control. My second main reason is the misogyny my daughter would face by both men AND women (including Feminists) for simply recording and distributing something that most people do. Some of these women, maybe not in Japan but in America and Europe, make ridiculous amounts of money by simply showing the physical intimacy I their monogamous relationship between themselves and their partner. They're doing the same things they'd do, just recording and distributing it for tens of thousands to hundreds of thousands of dollars. Why does this affect them with regards to how they are perceived? Why should this affect them with regards to getting a job or running for office? How are they inherently bad people because they filmed themselves f*ck?
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  937. Some comments make me wonder what would they say if instead of a daughter, it was a son. Even this father, like, if he had a son who is a pronstar, would he be in this video? I've read a lot of people talking about how ashamed female pronstars should be, but when it comes to male, it's totally different, i've even seen people joking about how every men's dream job is to become a pronstar from age 13. Imo, both can be good or bad, of course, it is more common to have women being degraded in pron videos, even if it is a vanilla one, but i'm sure that there are bad sides for any gender. At least, there are people trying to change this scenario, maybe one day people will stop saying so many bad things about women who want to and work as pronstars, and just think that they chose this job, because they like it.
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  938. Yet more bulshit from the critical drinker. It's not about how we treat the female characters it's about how other characters treat them. In "Edge of Tomorrow" our intro to Rita is hella sexy and is explicitly designed to make us go "damn she's hot". But no characters on-screen would dare refer to her or even talk about her like that. We know the actor is hot, other characters know the character is hot, but it's irrelevant to the plot. In fact, her strength as a character is emphasized by the irrelevance of her beauty to her ability to kick ass.
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  939. Honestly, I think that all this hate for Cassie is really messy and toxic... The main message of the show is literally " we all make bad decision, but nonetheless we're able to improve ourself. We should be less judicious towards others and ourself". But most people apply this message on everyone but Cassie. We all know Cassie has her fair share of mistakes, but its so overlooked that Nate is a manipulative person, not just with Maddy. We should remember that Cassie was deeply depressed and fragile, she felt empty and lonely, i personally think that Nate took advantage of her vulnerability to forget his feelings. I cant understand how so many people underestimate his influence on Cassie while Maddy has INCRIMINATED an INNOCENT person only to protect Nate. Also, i found the Lesley's play down straight cruel and humiliating to Cassie, because for me it was done with no particular moral intent, but mostly with envy. This is pure slutshaming for me. I think that season 2 was too ipocrite with the initial message and i hate the way Cassie has been represented. The narrative is really too ambiguous with her, because it begans to make her look like a ridiculous villain instead of a more real and complex character. We have all forgive Rue, even though she had ruined her family's life, she used to be manipulative and a liar, because she was obviously hurt. And likewise happens with every other characters. So why people can't even try to empathize a little with what Cassie is going through? This seems kinda misogyny to me...ops
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  940. I love cassies character. Maybe I haven't seen a lot of movies but I haven't seen a lot of characters with mental problems depicted like she is. Like it's either the sweet anxious/depressed girl or the completely crazy one that's practically a joke. It's good to see a character who's spiralling deeper and deeper beyond help, hurting people around her, unable to break out of her habits even when she wants to. I've had depression too and been there, I want her to get better next season of course but it's sill kind of validating to watch? Weirdly enough. And I don't really mind the ppl who are angry with her, ppl aren't supposed to accommodate u just becuz you're mentally ill. U hv to clean up ur own shiet. And I like how even her family doesn't like her, like that's very real, you really can't expect anything when you're unstable. tbh
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  941. Let me go against the grain here with regards to the popular opinion in the comment section. There is nothing degrading about being a sex worker, sex work does not make you a lesser person or less educated and while you might end up being on the internet forever, as long as society doesn't judge you, that shouldn't be a big deal. Would I want my child (daughter OR SON) doing this stuff? No. Why? I don't trust some of the higher ups in these industries. Some of these people are shady and treat women particularly like crap. But that could improve and has made significant progress as more women started to take control. My second main reason is the misogyny my daughter would face by both men AND women (including Feminists) for simply recording and distributing something that most people do. Some of these women, maybe not in Japan but in America and Europe, make ridiculous amounts of money by simply showing the physical intimacy I their monogamous relationship between themselves and their partner. They're doing the same things they'd do, just recording and distributing it for tens of thousands to hundreds of thousands of dollars. Why does this affect them with regards to how they are perceived? Why should this affect them with regards to getting a job or running for office? How are they inherently bad people because they filmed themselves f*ck?
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  942. My opinion on this is, if you're ok with men watching porn or if you're watching porn yourself, its actually quite hypocritical to be ashamed of your own daughter/mother/sister doing porn. Maybe we should put all the shame around it aside and accept that there are always people willing to have sex in exchange for money and always people who are willing to pay for sex.
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  943. I love cassies character. Maybe I haven't seen a lot of movies but I haven't seen a lot of characters with mental problems depicted like she is. Like it's either the sweet anxious/depressed girl or the completely crazy one that's practically a joke. It's good to see a character who's spiralling deeper and deeper beyond help, hurting people around her, unable to break out of her habits even when she wants to. I've had depression too and been there, I want her to get better next season of course but it's sill kind of validating to watch? Weirdly enough. And I don't really mind the ppl who are angry with her, ppl aren't supposed to accommodate u just becuz you're mentally ill. U hv to clean up ur own shiet. And I like how even her family doesn't like her, like that's very real, you really can't expect anything when you're unstable. tbh
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  944. I love cassies character. Maybe I haven't seen a lot of movies but I haven't seen a lot of characters with mental problems depicted like she is. Like it's either the sweet anxious/depressed girl or the completely crazy one that's practically a joke. It's good to see a character who's spiralling deeper and deeper beyond help, hurting people around her, unable to break out of her habits even when she wants to. I've had depression too and been there, I want her to get better next season of course but it's sill kind of validating to watch? Weirdly enough. And I don't really mind the ppl who are angry with her, ppl aren't supposed to accommodate u just becuz you're mentally ill. U hv to clean up ur own shiet. And I like how even her family doesn't like her, like that's very real, you really can't expext anything when you're unstable. tbh
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