Comments by "Mike Armstrong" (@mikearmstrong8483) on "Ed Nash's Military Matters"
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To clear up a few myths, the most notable service of the Gladiator is the least known. It was exported to many countries, which had the most successes with it.
Malta the myth: 3 Gladiators, named Faith, Hope, and Charity defended the islands and fought off the Italian air force.
Malta the truth: Gladiators defended Malta for less than a month before being replaced by Hurricanes. Though they scored some successes against Italian aircraft, these were few, and they mainly served to distract and disrupt raids.
Sorry to dispute the gentleman above, but there were actually several Gladiators in service at Malta but only 3 could be made airworthy at any given time. The names Faith, Hope, and Charity did not apply to 3 specific aircraft, and they were not named during their service there. That was a morale boosting story concocted by the British after the Gladiators had been replaced.
Battle of Britain myth: Gladiators protected northern England.
Battle of Britain truth: Gladiators made a single interception, without downing an enemy aircraft.
The Gladiators most successful service was in peripheral areas.
In British service, they saw action in Norway, North Africa, and East Africa. The last air combats between biplanes took place over Libya, between Gladiators and CR-42s.
Belgium, and Norway flew their own Gladiators against the Germans, with Norwegian pilots getting about a half dozen kills and Belgians getting only 2.
Greece flew them against the Italians.
Finland's Gladiators scored dozens of kills against Soviet aircraft.
A few dozen in Chinese service stood up to the Japanese air force, until the introduction of the A6M.
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As a former USN flyer, who has studied military aviation for about 50 years now, please allow me to present a possible correction.
To my knowledge (which is not scant) the German Luftwaffe studied but did not attempt the parasite fighter concept. Yes, I know there is a wikipedia article that states it was a parasite fighter; my advice is that you don't believe everything you see on wikipedia because any unqualified person can post nonsense on there. By the time the Me-328 was being developed, offensive air action by large Luftwaffe bomber fleets were a thing of the past.
What we see here is either a possible test example of the Mistel project, or a test bed for launching the fighter.
In the Mistel weapon, the fighter was not carried along to protect a manned bomber, but rather was a control plane for an unmanned bomber loaded up with explosives that was dived into a target. The controlling fighter hitched a ride to the target, then released and conducted the attack.
The usual control fighter was a Bf-109 or a Fw-190, depending on the Mistel version.
The operational success of Mistel was not very good. A planned attack on the British fleet in anchorage at Scapa Flow never took place. In late June of 1944 a few Allied ships were damaged. Planned attacks on Soviet industry also were aborted. The final use of Mistel was in early 1945, destroying bridges to delay the Allied advance.
Alternatively, what I think is most likely is that this is a test bed launch system. The fighter uses the Argus A109-014 pulse jet, which required substantial air flow to begin operating. This is why V-1 flying bombs were rocket launched from catapults; an aircraft or missile powered by the pulse jet could not take off on its own. The testing of the fighter would have required an air launch, in the same concept as US experimental aircraft have been dropped from B-52 bombers.
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Serving as a part-time nerd, which I do on occasion, I just happened to glance over and notice that I had source material relevant to your question sitting on my coffee table.
The KV-85, last of the KV series, weighed in at 51 tons but due to its wide tracks had a ground pressure of only 11 lbs per sq inch, which was less than the Stug III, Panz IV, Panther or Tiger.
For comparison, an equipped infantryman has a ground pressure of about 3 lbs per sq inch.
So, if you imagine an infantryman walking on a beach carrying one of his buddies on his shoulders, and one of their buddies on top of him, and some random short guy on top of the 3 of them, they would be about as maneuverable as the KV-2 on a beach, but they wouldn't sink into the sand.
And if you actually can imagine that, I recommend you go see a doctor. 😉
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@TheAnxiousAardvark
The Winter War only saw Soviets invading Finland, but both France & Britain promised and planned intervention on Finland's part, so why doesn't that push the start of WWII back to 1938?
The Sino-Japanese war continued until the Japanese surrender in 1945, and included the participation of US & UK forces, so why doesn't that push the start of WWII back to 1937? Some historians say it does.
The Spanish Civil War featured 3 of the major powers of Europe, all belligerents during WWII, fighting each other, so why doesn't that push the start of WWII back to 1936?
The Italian invasion of Ethiopia started conflict in East Africa that eventually involved UK forces, with fighting that continued until 1942, so why doesn't that push the start of WWII back to 1935?
The reason Sept 1st 1939 is generally considered the start is because that is when Germany invaded Poland, which drew in Britain and France, and shortly after that the Soviet Union, so people think of that as a world war because 4 of the major powers were at war with each other. A very Euro-centric, if not outright condescending attitude if you ask me; does the invasion of little countries with less than 10 million people mean nothing? Does the killing of Asians mean nothing? Even if these conflicts involved some of the same belligerents who were still fighting each other later, during the period that is "properly" considered the war?
As for your acquaintance insisting WWII started only with the beginning of US involvement, there must have been some misunderstanding between you two, because that is ignorance beyond comprehension.
Incidentally, I'm his age and also a conservative, but apparently I know history better than him. Did he get his degree by bribing a professor?
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Or, perhaps we can hope that it doesn't just stay at that. A warmongering view? I prefer to call it pragmatic.
Any conflict for Iran, that causes military casualties and attrition of military hardware, and consumes military oriented resources, win or lose, can only improve the status quo vs the US. Losses to them are a victory for us, even if we are not involved.
But we are not at war with Iran, so shouldn't I feel compassionate about loss of life? No. Iranians have shown that they shed no tears over the loss of American lives; often they will even celebrate.
They have chosen a belligerent status against us, they have backed terrorist groups that have attacked us, they have made themselves the enemy. So, it is only beneficial to the US if they go to war with someone else.
The belligerence and threat to regional peace presented by the Azerbaijanis only makes it better. The enemy of my enemy is my friend. Unless the enemy of my enemy is also my enemy, in which case let them wipe each other out while I go look for more reasonable friends.
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Caley, Langley, and Ader all made valiant attempts, which flew about as well as the average Red Bull fleugtag contraption. Lilienthal and Chanute preceded them with gliders, Santos-Dumont and others preceded them with airships, but the Wrights were the first to fly a controllable powered aircraft.
Britain, France, Russia, China, and Brazil (and probably North Korea) all claim to have flown first, but not one of them can offer anything other stories about it as proof.
Edited because I mistook what you were saying. Yes, there were other heavier-than-air craft before the Wrights. But in general, aviation historians look at powered craft rather than hang gliders. So I guess we are sort of in agreement.
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With 4 high velocity 37s it would probably have been the only plane of that era that actually had a realistic chance of hitting a tank with a gun big enough to do damage, at least from the rear.
Under ideal test conditions with nonmoving targets and top pilots, it was found that there was only a 7% probability of hitting a tank sized target with a 37mm, which allowing for a 15 round drum magazine meant a single hit at most. Against a moving target, with someone other than a test pilot, facing light flack, in variable weather, an antitank mission relying on guns was almost always a wasted sortie. 20mm guns with higher rates of fire, higher velocities, and more ammo capacity were better for the role, but with almost no chance of armor penetration the best a pilot could hope for was track damage or starting a fire on the rear deck.
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Another factor not mentioned was that, since France had a strong nationalistic push to go "only French" for their military, the Jaguar was seen in disfavor as it was a cooperative effort with the British. The Super Etendard was pitched as a "completely French" aircraft, built solely in France, by the French and for the French.
In fact, almost 40% of the Super Etendard was of foreign manufacture, with all the parts being shipped in and assembled by Dassault. This was hardly any less than the Jaguar M, which had much better performance in terms of speed, range, maneuverability, and payload capacity.
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@TheAnxiousAardvark
Nationalism is one thing; saying "the war didn't start until we got into it" is laughable. And most Americans (which I use in reference to US citizens) these days are clueless that we were heavily involved in the war while we were still neutral.
I doubt the Poles, or the Chinese, or the French, or the Britains, or the Danes, or the Belgians, or the Norwegians, or the Dutch, or the Ethiopians, or the Finns, or the Latvians/Lithuanians/Estonians would consider December 1941 to be the start of the war. In fact, Pearl Harbor seemed pretty irrelevant to most of them.
I doubt that the Japanese who were casualties in China thought the war had not started yet. I doubt that the US casualties in the Atlantic thought that the war had not started yet.
The average US high school graduate these days knows less about history, math, and science, than I knew entering the 7th grade.
Edit for typos.
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The air to ground role is a myth that has been repeated so often that it has come to be accepted as dogma.
This stems from the Soviet description of its role, which translates roughly as "low level support of ground forces". Westerners automatically equate that to close air support as we know it, attacking ground targets. But to the Soviets the term meant low level air cover.
First, we sent about a 1/2 million rounds for the 37mm gun. All of it HE. Not a single round of AP. And they weren't about to open a factory to produce ammo for a gun that was in fairly limited service for them.
Second, the Soviets did extensive testing of large caliber aircraft guns against tanks and found it to be a losing proposition. The best test pilots shooting at static targets achieved about a 7% hit ratio. With 15 rounds carried, that meant 1 hit per loadout, with a round that had a low probability of penetration. In the field, with less experienced pilots shooting at moving targets, it was a waste of a sortie. Planes like the Ju-87 and Hurricane that mounted a 37mm or 40mm under each wing doubled their chance of a hit and were therefore feasible.
Third, Soviet archives released in the 90s record that the plane wasn't used in the ground attack role, except on occasions when a pilot might find an ideal target of opportunity, which might be attacked just as any pilot in any plane might.
So why even put a 37mm on a plane? So you can shoot at other planes. An aircraft, even a fighter, is substantially larger than a tank, and since you are most likely chasing it, you have a much lower closing velocity and can get much closer, so the chances of getting a hit are much better than hitting a tank. Also, a single 37mm round that is unlikely to do more than scratch the paint on a tank is an almost guaranteed instakill against an aircraft.
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