Comments by "Blackadder75" (@Blackadder75) on "Jordan Green"
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Supermarket work is for many teens their first 'job' and it is seen here as a job you do a few hours after school, or for a few years, before starting your 'real' career. A large Albert Heijn might have a staff of 50 people, 10 will be adults, working full time and 40 will be young people between 15-20 that only work part time in shifts (so obviously these people wouldn't all work at the same time in one store) the full timers would be the manager, and heads of every section of the store ( casier, fruits, bakery, meat, dry goods etc) maybe somebody for security etc. And all the others are just temporary workers .
I think NL is quite unique in this, in most other european countries it's mostly old people who do the job for 20 years ( and you can usually tell they didn't enjoy it the last 19 years)
the little kids you saw working can only work for a limited amount of hours per week, it really is like getting extra pocket money for them, they can buy a playstation or some electric vehicle when they turn 16 or so with that money. or just blow it on clothes and party drugs when they get to that age.
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it looks like the largest hyper markets I have seen in Spain, Poland, France etc, only more junk food options.
everything seems to be more expensive as well, and yes that is adjusted for package size.
chicken fries (patat) and apple sauce is a traditional kids meal that you can give to any kid and they will usually like it, so it was popular for kids birthday parties etc.
Your conclusion near the end is correct, we have all this but in different stores. In my city Enschede, it would be an AH XL, a Decathlon, a Blokker, a HEMA, a C&A, an Intratuin , Mediamarkt , Zara and a Praxis combined (and probably a few smaller ones)
In many Dutch cities they have areas where you can visit all of these together for somewhat the same overall experience.
It also looks a lot like a 'Warenhuis' , like V&D but those went out of business. The non food section is very similar, but instead of building 5 floors they put it all on a flat square.
In stead of seeing it as a grocery store that sells other things, it's more a department store that also sells groceries
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I don't even do the bag thing anymore, I just walk in empty handed, grab a carton box, fill it with my food stuff, self check out and go.
But Blackadder, what if there are no cardboard boxes? There are ALWAYS cardboard boxes, if nothing is at the checkout area, I just walk into the store and go to the vegetable or the potato chips section and 90% of the time there will be a box for me. In 10% of the time I have to ask one of the teenagers for a box who is filling the shelves. In 5 years it never happened that I didn't have a box.
Note, this works for me because I usually don;t buy too much in one go, and just for me. For shopping for a family I would bring my own containers in the car
The card board boxes I use at home to collect empty bottles, cans , paper etc, and once a week I bring them to the recycling
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I think it's a bit of a class issue, in Europe , much more than in the americas we have these old remnants from the past, social classes. 200 years of programs to make everybody equal have not done enough, these structures are still in every european culture. the upper class had all these customs, and the middle class wants to be like the upper class, so they copy them. Fixed dinner times etc are a part of those upper class habits. And the middle class could easily adopt that, since it aligns quite well with traditional work / school schedules.
The lower class is more busy with survival on a day to day basis, so they don't have the 'luxury' to copy the upper class.
Now the last thing I want to do is to insult your american family by calling them lower class, but I think it's more that american culture in general, no matter how successful or rich they are, has more attributes of lower class european culture, because of the more egalitarian nature of the culture ( founding fathers ideals of everybody being equal) and the more cutthroat nature of American economy and work life. Less social security = you need to be more individualistic to succeed.... hustle and bustle your way to the top.
As for Dutch families staying together or staying in the same region, that is also a bit of a class thing. The higher class (usually higher education) Dutch spread out all over the world, in fact we are quite known for being everywhere, being a trading nation. So since the 17th century or even earlier the merchant class travelled a lot and was not afraid to sail across the oceans for economic opportunities. A good amount of them even ended up in what is now the United States or Canada.
At the same time, the common people, the working class has been known to be very sedentary and can stay in the same town or village for generations . Especially before 1980. In the modern times, with globalization, it's quite unlikely that a young person can find a living in their home town.
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