Comments by "Taxtro" (@MrCmon113) on "Philip Goff disagreement with Sam Harris about free will | Lex Fridman Podcast Clips" video.

@CutieSenussi If someone asks me whether kangaroos are native to Australia, I say yes and present that as a fact. If thoughts coming and going spontaneously is not a "fact" then nothing is. You can literally check that right now.
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No. "Free will" is nonsense. Consciousness certainly exists.
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No, that's not what people mean with free will.
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@danielm5161 That means you reject free will.
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There's absolutely 0 room for "free will" either in physics or in personal experience. It's just plain nonsense, no matter how much you try to steelman the idea.
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@KyBrancaccio The conclusion is as firm as it is possible. Your inability to understand the most simple logic doesn't make proofs impossible.
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@caricue Do you think you control your immune system? Your sense of self is literally delusional. You might as well say that you control the planets. Do you punish tourettes patients for their ticks? You are horribly, horribly confused. Or rather your brain is, you are just awareness of the confusion.
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@caricue No, you don't, you absolute clown. When you get sick, you aren't planning an immune defense. You aren't organizing your mscle growth or overseeing digestion.
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The case against free will literally couldn't be any stronger. Both from phenomenology and physics, it's utter nonsense. When you are aware of a decision, you cannot have caused it. Simple as. At some point there is a first thought and you haven't created it.
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@peterrhoads9317 Sam does not do that. Instead he points out that you can know that free will is bullshit a priori through reasoning about either causality or phenomenology.
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There is no phenomenon. There is the assertion of the existence of some cryptid and upon reading the description of the cryptid it becomes apparent, that it is absurd. There is no reason to look for something that cannot exist.
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@andrewcain6518 Of course choices exist. But no matter what level of randomness is involved in them, they don't resemble "free will". Awareness of a choice comes always after the choice.
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Aside from unnecessarily torturing people it doesn't make a difference.
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@gorbachevdhali4952 Bullshit. You don't know 99.9% of what your brain does. Do you sleep? If you are your brain, you shouldn't vanish in the night and reappear the next day or in a dream. If you are your brain why do tourettes patients experience discomfort?
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So you blame tourettes patients for their ticks.
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@alterecho8261 He wasn't rude to you at all, in spite of your comment being monstrously stupid.
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@KyBrancaccio Subconscious is by definition not part of consciousness you absolute tard. Whatever your brain does us just as subconscious as whatever your immune system does. Do you think people with a seizure are intentionally flopping around?
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@alterecho8261 Bullshit. Do you blame anyone for having a bad immune system? Do you beat yourself up over your digestion? Do you feel in control over hair growth? Your position is ludicrous to the extreme.
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@alterecho8261 I responded to what you said and what you said is 100% wrong even just logically. The you that reads my comment, the you that gets offended, the you that can feel adressed, that thing is consciousness, it is by definition not subconscious. Why don't you try to answer the questions above? Do you beat yourself up over your digestion or metabolism or lymphatic system?
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@alterecho8261 99.99% of "you" is things you never heard of doing things you'll never know? That's not what anyone means with "I", with self.
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There is almost nothing you can have greater certainty about. It's logically and physically bullshit. And at every moment you can check for yourself that there isn't even something to be the subject of free will.
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Yes. You can only be aware of a decision or thought if it already exists. The you that notices a decision cannot possibly be it's origin.
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@TejanoTigre Your response is just more thoughts - which you aren't aware of and in which you are therefore caught.
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@robertpirsig5011 The arguments are made a hundred fold in the comments.
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@caricue No, you aren't your brain. Your brain does a myriad of things you aren't aware of. Do you blame people with tourettes for their ticks? The "you" that is the target of hate, pride and shame isn't an organ.
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@caricue You're the same guy, who said that he is his brain. But when it comes to robots suddenly things are only "known" when conscious? Pure clown.
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@carlg7190 You just pointed out how free will isn't just wrong, but believing in it also causes unnecessary suffering. I suffer way less from being harmed by others than I did in the past, because I recognize agents as being part of the world and that their consciousness does not create but merely witnesses their actions. I can kill someone who harms me, but I don't have a reason to do so painfully.
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@carlg7190 An agent is a useful abstraction, a way of looking at a system. That's done in computer science all the time.
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You can be completely confident in rejecting self-refuting nonsense. I don't have to govto Pluto to see whether there are any married bachelors.
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It's not abstract and it's obviously absurd when you even try to make sense of it physically for a second. It's also absurd experientially.
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@KyBrancaccio That absurd things don't exist is very knowable.
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The desktop isn't an illusion and free will isn't an illusion either. The desktop us a real terminal doing what it seems to be doing. Free will is nowhere to be found.
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@analoguedragon7438 The desktop does exactly what you expect it to do. An illusion is when something doesn't jive. You never have direct perception of base reality. You have appearances in consciousness and when they are coherent then your perception isn't an illusion. At the same time there is no illusion of free will. If you actually pay attention you never feel like you are choosing anything. Free will is a delusion without any illusion component to it. People just don't check.
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