Comments by "Taxtro" (@MrCmon113) on "AA Harris/Weinstein/Peterson Discussion: Vancouver" video.

  1. Being intellectually honest is MUCH more important than being "nice". The worst atrocities were all committed by "nice" people, stuck with bad believes.
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  2. Did you ever open a bible? What you are describing is slavery among Israelites, but the bible mostly adresses the enslavement of foreign people (especially young women) following horrific genocides. It's also funny how your religious believes are making you defend the atrocious barbarism of indentured servitude, which was often even worse than the slavery imposed on foreigners, because the masters had an incentive to work their slaves to death.
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  3. His definition of god is not the same as the one of ANY believer. To Peterson, anyone, who believes in gods even in the slightest, is a "fundamentalist. I grew up in a pretty secular family, not understanding or fully buying into Christian doctrine at any point and only going to church on special occasions. My god was an extrapolation of my own moral intuitions. But still, because I believed it to be some sort of entity, rather than a concept, to Peterson I would have been a fundamentalist.
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  4. In your opinion "immersing" oneself in "more philosophy" makes divine commandment into an acceptable moral foundation, whereas ultimate goals are not?
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  5. >but that is the way the vast majority of religious people interpret their holy books That is simply not true. You are arguing for religion by claiming that no one buys into or is motivated by religion in the first place. >who is trying to get at the deeper pathology of authoritarianism It's funny that you try to defend religion and the ABrahamic god while at the same time complaining about authoritarianism. If you cannot even bring yourself to say anything bad about the worst kind of authoritarianism, how can you combat it in general?
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  6. @Gurp Preet Knowledge of the bible is what made me an atheist in the first place. I'm certain if you tested unbelievers and believers in the West, the former would have a MUCH better understanding of Christianity on average. Anyways I oppose astrology without knowing anything about the specifics. In the same way it would be totally ok to oppose Christianity without knowing the specifics.
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  7. So you began to believe in gods again when you got into the political left?
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  8. From the outside it's painfully obvious that you are building a castle of bullshit in order to host pet believes. And anyone, who knocks over the castle, is hateful, arrogant or simpleminded.
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  9. So religion is good, because religion is good? That this idiotic comment has hundreds of thumbs up speaks volumes about the motivations of people commenting here.
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  10. That's how you deal with absurd claims. If you cannot make fun of absurd claims, you have arrived in exactly the type of dystopia, religious thinking leads you into.
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  11. So religion is good, because religion is good. -Straun30
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  12. >Any time he makes a normative statement like "It would be much better if..." without explaining why, it is a type of dogmatism. No. When I say that 2+2=4, I don't have to give a five week lecture on logic and set theory in order to defend that statement.
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  13. @BergerJr Is BergerJr a witch? Well we don't know *EVERYTHING*, so it could well be so. I don't know, so we better make sure he cannot do any witchcraft by burning him alive.
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  14. So my moral intuition that the biblical commandments, god and prohpets are totally immoral, comes from the bible? My disgust at the cold-hearted, cynical, misanthropic nature of biblical stories is a result of those stories? How does that make sense to you, MB?
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  15. @MrKosobi It is neither. Both primitive socieites and the book religions are totally immoral by modern standards. Even societies of just a hundred years ago are. The ONLY thing explaining the state of the world is moral progress (a cultural phenomenon) and it always goes against religion.
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  16. I don't understand or care about either side on this, as it is of little importance compared to the believes of Peterson about the usefulness of religious thinking. Still I don't see what it should even mean for morality to be objective or subjective. If you call the pursuit of happiness morality, is that subjective or objective? What would subjective morality even look like? I think the terms "subjective" and "objective" here are, as so often, completely misleading.
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  17. > in assuming that in the absence of Religion or Spiritual Faith, that Humanity would be any better off than it is already We know that from history. The less religious a society, the better it is. >humanity may well have constructed these frameworks knowing full well What kind of idiotic cartoon notion of history do you subscribe to? Humans didn't have a meeting twenty thousand years ago, in which they decided to belief in various sorts of nonsense in order to be better people. Religious believes evolved over time and no one decided to have them.
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  18. >You can't encapsulate such a profound idea like 'God' in a dictionary definition. It's the least profound thing I can imagine. Little children ask: "What is rain for?" Belief in gods, even abstracted until the gods are unrecognizable, is an infantile behavior. Jordan Peterson is, if he actually takes his own conceptualizations seriously, an atheist. An atheist doing everything to defend the words god and religion, without most of their content.
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  19. You are operating under the assumption that the bible is full of metaphors, who sound atrocious on the surface, but turn out to support a modern humanist ethic, if understood correctly. That could not be further from the truth and if you actually believe it, you have never opened a bible. There is commandments and narratives in the bible and the message of both is equally horrific. The narratives even make sure that you cannot wiggle yourself out of the commandments. For example your kind of like to reinterpret the prohibition against working on sundays as an encouragement to take some time off for yourself once in a while. Well... WRONG. Moses and his followers brutally murder a person for gathering firewood on the wrong day. On the "surface" the bible reports of a killing taking place in the past, whereas the "deep contextual meaning" is that the commandments mean exactly what they say and not what you want them to say.
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