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Comments by "Taxtro" (@MrCmon113) on "Gun Violence in America: A Conversation with Graeme Wood (Episode #283)" video.
@slipknnnot Precisely. No one wants to overthrow the constitution over fat people.
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As a non-American, Americans shouldn't just defend the 2nd amendment, but clarify what "the right to keep and bear arms" is to keep it from being encroached upon. Never give up your weapons and the worst time to give up your weapons is when others demand it.
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Well the USA is the oldest and most successful democracy so far. Many of the countries that are they allies now were forced by them to give up slavery or to adopt democracy.
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If that's so, it's more than worth it. That's pretty much the point of the rule of law, the point of a constitution, the point of the separation of powers, the point of liberal democracy as a whole: you don't just overthrow everything bcs people died and you're mad. You don't build a totalitarian state just bcs you think it's safer. You don't give up fundamental freedoms to save lives. Liberal democracy among other things means that there are more important things than mere survival.
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By the age of 60 you can own a battleship.
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@slipknnnot The USA defended Iraqi civilians. US soldiers risked their lives for individual Iraqi civilians that were abducted and threatened by other Iraqis.
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Precisely. To say that people should be disarmed so they can't kill themselves is about as cruel as it gets.
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Actually that is perfect, because it bothers regular gun owners, especially those practicing and shooting as a sport and it does absolutely nothing to bother spree killers, who can further be instrumentalized to take people's guns away.
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@trenchtown69 Also disarmed before they got shot.
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The probability of being attacked by someone stronger than you is WAY bigger than being in a school shooting. Especially if you're a woman.
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@pdcdesign9632 Those are actually completely irrelevant if you take the amendment literally. Why do you think they are relevant and how?
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@papajoeman23 Worse things happen literally every second.
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@elenagerhardy2636 I'm willing to sacrifice thousands of people, who commit suicide flippantly, for the one, who genuinely suffers and is better off dead. I'm completely against any measure that makes suicide harder.
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@Jimbo5900 Australia is WAY less free than the USA as we saw during covid. Even less than most of Europe.
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@davegold I don't wash my food, I'm a decade late on some vaccines and I repair stuff at home that I have no business repairing. But I don't force everyone else to make all of the same choices I do.
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The real problem is people trying to take other people's guns away and what needs to be done is to shoot those miscreants. >think that 50 million kids go to school every day knowing that its possible that they could be victims of school shootings Then give them guns. That makes school shootings impossible. Schools would become the least attractive targets for spree killings overnight.
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@jasonthomas6106 Mexico is a western liberal democracy. Also gun rights are part of liberal democracy. They just weren't correctly implemented by the people copying liberal democracy from the Americans.
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Then French people do not understand the concept of time. If police could help you in the case of a home invasion then you could equally well bring an armada of a thousand interstellar battleships from the future. But that's not how time works. You have to work with what's available now and if you are confronted butt naked in your own home, the police isn't there.
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Do you think people are easier or harder to enslave when they have guns?
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Reasonable gun control is like reasonable child fucking. Everyone should have all guns. Especially the mentally ill, since they are particularly vulnerable, and women and children.
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@Tenorio74 Wow, that's really interesting. Does something similar happen when you're holding a shovel or broomstick or anything else that's good to hit with?
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@tuna5618 Are you unable to read? You act as if the amendment said "only militias can have guns". That's not in any way implied. Rather the first sentence of the amendment is completely irrelevant to what it ultimately prescribes.
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@austingoyne3039 "Well regulated" does mean well trained. Words sometimes have different meanings, especially in old-timey documents. The supreme court can read the English language and knows the historical context and the rest of the constitution and bill of rights and the different versions of the amendment and general legal conventions. They base their decision on all of that. You base your decision on your inability to read two lines without getting the meaning completely mangled.
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You think there'd be a robot in each house that shoots the biological equivalent of an EMP at any attacker?
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Well I'm European and I think you're a myopic prick. The 2nd Amendment is a very clever thing and if anything US Americans should work to secure it and make more definite what "the right to keep and bear arms" is.
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@costeris35 >How likely is that violent home invasion he uses as en excuse to be armed? It doesn't matter. You don't get to decide whether others are allowed to protect themselves. That is the great civilisatory achievement of the 2nd amendment. >I bet he lives in a well policed neighbourhood. If you think police protects you, you must have some problems with the concept of time. >Women that encounter violence are so often shot by their partners Men can kill their partners whether they have weapons or not. Women can only defend themselves with weapons. >having a gun in the house doesn’t level the playingfield for them either That statement is absurd just from a physics perspective. I don't know how you can say that and not immediately notice that you are grasping at straws. Being armed is without any doubt an egalitarian force. Without weapons the strong can do whatever they want with the weak. With weapons, a 30kg woman is on an even playing field with a 120kg man.
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@antonysims >everywhere else in the world where gun ownership is severely restricted this would be happening....but it's not It does. I walk around half naked in public parks alone at midnight - most of my female friends wouldn't ever do that. >Very restrictive gun laws where I live and yet not once have I How common do you think violent crimes are? Most people in any place have never been subject to violent crime. >accosted by someone bigger and stronger and forced to do anything IF you were accosted then by something bigger and stronger. How tf should someone weaker force you to do sth? Unless... they have a weapon. That's why guns are an egalitarian force. They would allow a 14yo girl to rob you when otherwise she couldn't. And it allows you to resist the robbery by a 120kg man.
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I don't. In every single second worse things happen in nature. Being mad about particular events like this just makes you a hypocrit.
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It's called freedom. The problem is that all drugs aren't legal yet, not that some guns are.
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You don't have to. You choose to focus on school shootings in particular. If school shootings are all you care about, arm the kids. Voila, school shootings are no longer possible.
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@thedarknessthatcomesbefore4279 If you think spree killings warrant taking everyone's rights, you really have ZERO regard for liberty, democracy or the rule of law.
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The children wouldn't have to run away if you didn't take their guns.
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Or armed.
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>would it occur to me that a so called bad guy with a gun would try and kill me or people around me Why "with a gun"? I take it that you're not a woman. Ask them how often they worry about bad guys without guns.
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Americans have a problem with obesity, so just get rid of food.
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>Hasn't a huge proportion of mass shootings been carried out using assault rifles No. And the AR-15 is not an assault rifle. And the AR-15 is used bcs it's legal and there's plenty of alternatives.
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@elbryan9 Ok, but we also have to look at how effective those were.
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I don't understand what you don't understand, but a world in which everyone carries a gun all the time is a utopia. A 14yo girl can rob you just as well as a gang. You can fend off a 140kg man by yourself. Firearms are the ultimate equalizer.
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