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Comments by "Taxtro" (@MrCmon113) on "Do We Have Free Will? | 5 Minute Video" video.
+MrJimFIt I'm pretty tired of this quantum mysticism from juvenile dimwits, who have never seen the insides of a university.
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+NoNameC68 Yeah, it's just passing the bucket. Fairies and pixies don't make free will any more sensible.
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***** Yes they have and so has any serious philosopher, who has spoken on this.
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***** Not a study rules out free will, but sober reasoning. "that Harris relies upon" That's a lie. Harris points this out himself. Even an immortal, magical soul could not have free will. It has nothing to do with neurology. You've either not spent any attention at all or you're dishonest. : /
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This is not philosophy but religious propaganda. And this guy is an embarrassing preacher. Free will is indeed a superficial illusion. It makes no sense and a mysterious soul does not help you there. You did not choose your soul, the type of person you are. And this soul, you, still could only make decisions based on current circumstances and stored data / structure of the soul. You'd be no more free than as a product of your brain. Not even god could have free will.
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+DifferentGuy4 "He believes that we have freewill, then there has to be a God" You guys got that pretty backwards. I think your belief in the Christian god perpetuates your illusion of free will, not the other way around. Free will does not make any more sense, when you insert supernatural agents. Indeed it was rejected before we knew anything about neurology.
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+GrilledChickenTV I think you have correctly assessed the severity of this issue. Many people only acknowledge that free will doesn't make sense and then go on as if nothing happened. What you have incorrectly assessed are the consequences. You have fallen into the misconception of fatalism, which almost everyone goes through when confronted with the questioning of free will. Firstly I'd like to know what exactly you mean with having "free will", what you fear to lose. Different people sometimes mean different things with that.
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***** Pedro, you must be one of the most stupid people, I've ever spoken to. I just told you, that there IS NO evidence in logical questions. Also it is YOURS to show that "free agency" is a coherent concept, since that's YOUR claim. We have to repeat ourselves over and over again, because YOU DON'T READ. Read and understand. Talking to you is like talking to a wall.
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+Luis S. As far as we know no significant one. You should check out scale comparisons online. Single atoms are still very small compared to single neurons. Further the probabilistic nature of quantum objects doesn't make free will any more believable. What people mean with free is not a probability distribution.
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+ShufflinRhino I'm baffled how a "university" can support such pathetic proselytizing in the 21st century.
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MrJimFIt "Sam Harris was asked about the Uncertain Principle of Quantum Mechanics and he replied that Free Will CAN EXIST under quantum physics." Well then Harris would be wrong, or at least confused about what people mean with free will. However I don't think he said that - he's often misquoted and he made it very clear that free will, the thing most people think they have, is nonsense. "our materialist assumptions (which are assumptions, not facts) that something like free will is denied in principle" That has nothing to do with materialism. I grant you all the immortal souls and gods you can ask for, and you still wouldn't have "free will". "if free will and consciousness are just an illusion" Free will is a rather shallow illusion, but consciousness is the most evident thing in the world. Any illusion of consciousness would again be consciousness. You can tell that I don't like the way combatibilists like Dennett deal with that. They themselves generate another illusion: The illusion of a controversy about free will amongst philosophers.
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***** "About time someone referenced the real science" Take the edged circle and the married bachelor as examples. You don't need research to show how they are nonsense. It's not an empirical question but a logical one. "No one knows if free will exists" Well I could have made a mistake in my reasoning when declaring free will self contradictory, but so far noone was able to point out this mistake. Until then, I'm more sure that free will is nonsense than I am about the existence of my own butt. "why would we have evolved to have the illusion of free will" It's rather how, not why, although "why" questions can sometimes be good approximations in evolutionary biology. In my opinion consciousness is a far more intriguing problem, while the feeling of authorship of ones own actions seems little mysterious.
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***** "How in the world can logic ever determine the answer to an empirical question like free will" Well it's not. What is free will in your opinion? Can you even clearly define it?
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MrJimFIt That's meaningless. In a definition or explanation you cannot use the word you are explaining or defining.
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MrJimFIt I don't think you really mean to say this: "if you choose not to do something that's free will" Then when someone chooses to do something, it's not? Please calm down and come back when you've found the right words to explain what you understand with free will.
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***** No shit? Did you figure that out on your own. Why don't you present me what you mean with "free will", so I know whether it aligns with what most people think they have?
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MrJimFIt Please shut up about quantum mechanics; you obviously don't have any idea what you're talking about. You could as well say that Newtonian mechanics supports your mythology.
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***** You will not believe how often I have corrected this notion of a conscious observer before. It is extremely tiresome and they will just continue with their quantum mysticism.
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Devin Stafford I guess you mean Kaku's contribution to "Big Think" about Free Will. I'm a big fan of him, but here he really fucked up imo. He argues from extreme bias towards free will and from the dichotomy free will vs determinism. There's two problems: - There is no reason to assume that quantum level indeterminacy plays any role in the brain. - A distribution of probability would not be, what people call free will. Free will is the notion that you could have chosen otherwise, all things staying the same. Quantum Physics can be interpreted in a way that things could play out differently, all things staying the same - but that's not what people mean when they think they have free will. The "*I* COULD HAVE chosen otherwise". It is the notion of ultimate authorship of ones action. The self is not the intermediate, a cog in the clockwork, but the ultimate cause of a decision, an action.
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Infidel Heretic Even with a magical soul, free will makes no sense. Until someone can present a universe to me, in which free will is even possible, I will consider it an issue of logic and semantics, not biology or physics.
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+Joshua Hults "Quantum Physics disproves materialism as well." Yeah an Newtonian laws of motion disprove physics. XD "We already know that unless conscious awareness is present" You obviously don't know anything about quantum physics. The observer effect is about interacting particles, not a conscious observer. It's rather amusing how mystics misinterpret this. Next time better get your knowledge from a physics textbook instead of a preacher.
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MrJimFIt You have no idea about physics whatsoever, but you are attacking the very method of gaining knowledge with reference to advanced physics we only discovered through critical inquiry. Again: Deepak has lied to you. Nothing in quantum physics is about consciousness. I can only hope, you'll pick up a physics textbook for once...
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Conundrum "Holding accountable" for the goal of reaching an improvement for everyone. What we are doing at the moment is taking revenge. Even the most liberal judicial system is promoting as much vengeance as it promotes rehabilitation. Now there are arguments for revenge (the comfort of the victim), but we must acknowledge that hatred, pride, shame all are fundamentally nonsense. We should not feel entitled to be proud or to take revenge, but rather use these emotional states when they are of an advantage and make important decisions soberly.
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Samuel sefue "If there is no free will there is destiny" I don't like the word destiny. It seems to entail that our actions have no bearing on the future, when they really do. Your future is determined nonetheless; and that's independent from your fuzzy philosophical notion of free will. "If there is no free will everything is ultimately predictable" You've got this the wrong way around. People were arguing in the past that since everything is ultimately predictable, we have no free will. I disagree there. Free will makes no sense, whether things are predictable / determined or not. Physics and biology are not the issue, but simple semantics and logic. "If there is no free will there are no surprises" WRONG. You don't know everything, you cannot know everything, unless you have a computer larger than the universe. There are surprises in what happens around you and even in your own actions. This is not even a debate among philosophers; this was settled a long time ago: "I will what I do, but I don't will what I will."
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Samuel sefue "How can you take physics and biochemistry out of the equation?" You don't need sociology to say that a "married bachelor" makes no sense. The same goes for the notion that you "could have chosen otherwise" at any point. "*but the computer would also be able to predict that*. So my future IS determined. If it is determined, how come it is not predictable by such computer" You contradict yourself here; I don't know what you mean. O_o
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Samuel sefue "I say it is predictable. But you say that I am wrong when saying that everything is ultimately predictable." Our decisions are theoretically predictable with vast amounts of information and calculation power. But we can't foresee our future in practice. Determinism does not mean fatalism. "Physics, bio chemistry and that type of scientific research is what will be used to try and disprove free will." No. Did you not pay any attention?! Sociology will not provide any new knowledge on married bachelors. Biology will not provide knowledge on hamsters that are brown and not brown. Those are simply nonsense. Not everything, that can be put into an English sentence, is a coherent, logical concept.
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Samuel sefue What people feel they have, free will, is self contradictory. The notion that you, yourself are the ultimate cause of your own action. It leads to an infinite regress of agency. We may do what we want to do, but we can't decide what we want to do and even if so, we can't decide what we decide to want to do.
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Brian LiuConstant Some quite famous philosopher said: "I do what I will, but I don't will what I will." Don't know, who it was right now, though.
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***** Yes, you have not build yourself.
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***** It's not am empirical question, there is no evidence, only definitions, consequences, conclusions, etc. What is the evidence against or for married bachelors?
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