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Comments by "lordsneed" (@lordsneed9418) on "This One Graph Changed Everything I Thought I Knew About The Birth Rate Collapse" video.
9:00 "the pressure to have kids has stayed the same during this period as shown by the older women wanting to have more kids" This inference doesn't follow. Yes the 30+ birth rate has increased but it was very low before. the fact that the % of childless women is increasing and the age at which women first have kids is increasing shows that the societal pressure to have kids has been greatly reduced and they've bought into modern lies like "being a mum won't make you happy, travelling will make you happy" or " you can worry about starting a family after you turn 30 " . We already knew this is the case just from the obvious media discourse.
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4:30 "the dotted line shouldn't be able to go below the lowest of the indicator groups" But the dotted line corresponds to the righthand Y axis the total fertility rate - the number of children the average female has in her lifetime, while the age bracket lines are measuring correspond to the left hand axis the number of births per thousand women per year . So the dotted line can go "below" the coloured lines because it is measuring something different and being measured by a different axis.
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well done :) yes exactly. Megha Verna had a good piece about how a society that stigmatises teen pregnancy and doesn't provide any route by which it can be considered normal or praiseworthy is a sick society.
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20:30 "doubling the US population but only increasing the number of people on welfare doesn't solve the problem it makes the problem worse" A populous, fertile but crappy poor country is long term better off than an infertile, rich country of productive people, unless that rich country raises it's fertility. productivity is overrated. fetishising productivity is a big part of what causes people to give away their fertile years increasing profits for some corporation who promises to pay to freeze their eggs. Survival and multiplying is more important than productivity. What good is having a high IQ if you're extinct? I'd rather cast a spell that makes all of Europe and north america have an average IQ of 85 if it meant their TFR was 3.
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@michaels4255 What of it? Things could get 10 times worse than you describe and it would still be worthwhile. Better than your genetic line dwindling to 0.
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8:30 "we don't want the kids by people who had them accidentally and don't feel ready to raise them" But just last episode you said that people low-effort parenting should be more normalised and neurotically worrying about your parenting is anti-natalist. what the heck guys? You were right then! Holding off on having kids because "you don't feel ready to raise them" is part of the neurotic , unhealthy, fertility collapse mindvirus. You're promoting the thing you're meant to be fighting against here. That kind of thinking is what leads people to wait until they're pushing 35 to start trying to have kids and realising they need to pay for several rounds of fertility treatment and only ending up with one kid or 0. "not feeling ready to have kids" is made up nonsense. No one feels ready to have kids but humans literally evolved to be able to do it, it's instinct, nearly every young adult who thinks "I'm not ready to be a parent" will be fine at it. Also, why wouldn't you want those kids? having kids when you weren't 100% ready was common for most of human history and society and humanity did just fine and infact were healthier in several important ways than they are now.
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@Voidapparate The higher you keep your genetic line in existence and the longer you multiply it, the greater your chance of this not being true due to some unknown unknown physics being discovered that helps escape heat-death or other future hazards. Even if all our descendents do go extinct eventually, I want my line to be one of the high scores.
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@Voidapparate childless women who claim to be happy that they failed to reproduce are just lying out of sour grapes and coping while making themselves worse off long term in a similar way a child who only eats sweets because it makes him immediately happier in the moment is making himself worse off long term. The proof of this is that childless people have lower life expectancies than parents , indicating worse physical and mental health on average. We would expect that beings who evolved to reproduce and start families would feel worse if they didn't manage to fulfill their instincts to do this.
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