Comments by "buddermonger2000" (@buddermonger2000) on "laowhy86" channel.

@paulmurgatroyd6372 No no the US has had an empire. It's simply been of the smallest sort. Hawaii, despite now being actually core US territory in some sense, was basically annexed, Puerto Rico and the Phillipines were ceded to the US in a war (with a bit of trolling to the Filipinos), and most of the pacific islands known as "Territories" legally are also basically from that time. We also took the Panama canal for a while. So it did do a bit of empire while it was fashionable. Also in real terms the US has an informal empire on Europe right now where despite not being called it, US culture is pretty damn dominant, a majority of some of the European states speak English, and of course they're under the American defense umbrella. They're also kind of tied to our banking system having helped them out with 2008. If you're defending their land, regulating their economies, and infecting them with your culture... are they not imperial holdings? At the very least they can be considered client states.
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Yeah honestly just going to blame that one on France and a bit too much anti-communism. They were very much trying to just overthrow their colonial rulers and pretty sure in any other situation America would've helped.
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Probably about 80% of people in the world hate the Chinese government.
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@truongphuc93 Uh... band together to screw them over? Lol the reason people hate the Chinese government isn't because they came up on their own. That's incredibly stupid to think and only from a very high degree of narcissism but I've seen from reading some of the Chinese comics the attitudes on the Chinese on certain topics and wow are they not very nice. But regardless, the reason they hate the Chinese government is the HOW. Actually not even the how as they got there by taking everyone's labor and selling admirably. No the reason they hate it is because the Chinese are trying their hardest to be as terrible as possible to everyone and take everyone's ideas but defend their own using other people's laws. To try to advance using what's there for the benefit of all and then trying to make sure others cannot benefit. And on top of that trying to take people's rights away. Because right now they're using slave labor and harvesting peoples organs in Xinjiang and the suppression of people's such as the Uyghurs and Falun Gong
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@truongphuc93 I mean overall they are a government. And I guess you missed the US and USSR aspect of the cold War if you have missed what was done then. Overall we are coming to those properly deserved relations However things are slow. Also how are those countries worse thanks to democracy? The US did the exact opposite of democracy in those places. Also China may be the second largest economy... but the US economy is twice as high and with a quarter of the population. The EU which has a similar population to the US is also roughly double that of China. I also didn't say anyone was brainwashed. Neither did I reject the fact that bombs were brought destroying countries and killing innocents. Yeah. Those are bad things. But how is that democracy? What does that have to do with democracy? And I guess you seem to have missed the part where the US soldiers have very good relations with many of the people there and are on good terms with the governments there working side by side to eliminate threats to said governments. Why do you say the only actions are shitty propaganda about China? What about what I have said about China is propaganda?
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@nhatvu4605 For you and the others in this thread, primarily when we refer to a country we're very much referring to the government more than we are the citizens. In common English usage we call the government the name of the country. It's more of a shorthand. This is seen such as when we say "France instituted a new policy" because the government is in charge. So when we say we don't like China, we mean the CCP. We mean mostly the government. For the citizens that's not part of it. Also in America we have a large Chinese population with Chinese food being very popular. We have plenty of areas within cities that are known as "Chinatowns." So overall... we hate the government.
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Oh yeah CON actually sponsors people who speak out for whatever reason.
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It's funny that the party basically went to normal factions of "let's make money" vs "let's help the people" etc. I mean under those leaders they basically went "alright let's get western investment" and basically allied with the US. Until Xi came in and decided "nah I wanna be Maou" so now we're in.
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@truongphuc93 Ah you mean like your own dirty snakes? The ones that take advantage of countries that can't afford to pay things to receive territory? I wish you weren't in such a bubble. Otherwise you would be more like Japan or Vietnam. In fact 10 years ago you were very much like Vietnam. Now I understand dirty capitalists will be dirty capitalists, but did you forget that you yourselves also have the same issues? Trying to hide so that you can take from others without being seen as such? On top of that that's why there are protests of these companies who do things like that. Also what's that claim to the south China sea you have? The fact that it's NAMED that? Well I guess the Indian ocean is all Indian territory and thus you do not get to trade there. I'm sure you would very much like to control that. Yes you want to say it's the west. You have no idea about the west. Whatsoever. I know the Chinese. I also understand people are individuals. The Chinese outside of China and even many in China are much better than people like yourself who celebrate the takings of others. But I have a question for you. Very simple. Are you more free Than the people of even Japan and Vietnam?
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@truongphuc93 I don't think you do. And that's why Ho Chi Minh spoke of not being angry with the soldiers or the citizens but instead the government. Also while you have seen enough Syria, Afghanistan, Libia, and Syria, you seem to miss Japan, Western Europe, Canada, even Mexico and Brazil. Saying the US isn't great isn't exactly controversial. But just because the US had that massacre, doesn't mean you get to forget the Đắk Sơn Massacre. Though I'll admit that in Vietnam it was likely the worst conduct of the US military that has ever been undertaken and why it is such a black mark on our history that we the US regret. People do very bad things and to attribute that to democracy is very naive. Which is what I believe you seem to be. That is more the issues of war and humanity. Actions like these can be found across history no matter the government or people. Communism and fascism (neither of which very democratic in those implementations) had so many war crimes on the eastern front it makes Vietnam look like a clean war in comparison. . Btw I apologize for the assumption of you being Chinese. Last time I talked to one from inside the country he spoke very similar to yourself about China (I probably should've assumed you weren't since you had access to YouTube though I know they all use VPNs). Saying that people commit atrocities is not controversial. And I hope you remember that everything you mentioned in the middle east had a lead-up to it. Unrelated but at least you understand you don't have democracy. The Chinese idiot thought he did with one party rule and a dictator and then attempted to say Japan was (although it kind of is it's actually because the people just kind of don't care enough to end it and is more a coalition anyway). Overall I hope you simply understand that thinking democracy is the problem or that it is simply jealously and western snakes that is the reason China's government is hated is fairly unfounded.
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@truongphuc93 Oh now this is ignorance. You're correct that it is just cost. But we want those factories back. In fact in the US there is a very strong movement to bring back factories to the US from China though I do not expect you to know internal US politics. And the reason people bitch about rights is that we like having rights and like giving it to others. Also while we did abuse the Chinese from the start we also abused ourselves first. That's why Karl Marx exists. Also did you not notice that China is also now attempting to outsource them to Africa? Seeing China be a worse version of the worst version of the US is fairly amusing. I think the US is the only developed aside from maybe Germany that is attempting to open more factories instead of less. I'm sure many people in the west would agree with you that it's a bad thing that cost put them to have factories in China instead of their own countries. Also on top of that China had the choice to improve human rights for their citizens. They chose to worsen them for different parts of the population which the west moved away from. Worsening human rights is not necessary for cheap labor. At the very least you keep them where they are. Things like better pay or better restrictions on work are not rights. And that's not why we bitch. Just you know... don't kill your political opposition and don't harvest people's organs. That's like the bare minimum. Rights are freedom. We like being free. Which is why the US bitches about it more than the rest of the West.
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@truongphuc93 Lol guess you don't know the actual state of affairs with Iraq and those other countries. And we did. But so did you. So did literally every country in the history of ever. Also how am I saying it's Heroic? Because the people do want us there now? I simply said a fact about the relations with the people and government and our soldiers. That's all. What that means is up to you.
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@truongphuc93 Uh...I never said we were wanted in Vietnam. Though we were. By the French. And if you don't know of the public attitude in those countries then I think you need to do some more research then. The reason they're liked is because they're currently serving as De facto police officers for the citizenry and are training the police and military of the region overall serving the purpose of keeping out the people who kill them and destroy their homes in the name of a jihad.
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@truongphuc93 Huh? Cold blooded? How? Btw my grandparents and that entire generation of my family had nothing to do with Vietnam and were barely citizens. Yes millions of refugees because of wars, but you want to say the US started them and not the group that went and attacked us? Btw we didn't go to war with those countries. We went to war with the groups who did it. Those groups who were very much using the citizens as hostages and destroying their homes too. You're leveling baseless accusations under the idea that no group could possibly want the US anywhere and it's just inaccurate. Also how am I playing victim? What have I done to suggest that we simply suffered and we're hurt always from everyone? My points have been that you accused us of committing war crimes and I mentioned so did everyone else. However I apologize for not making it more clear that it doesn't make it okay as my overall point was that it wasn't just a US, democracy, or western thing. And how are we provoking people to hate by calling out the wrongs of others? "China you shouldn't kill your own citizens and harvest their organs!" "Hey Russia you shouldn't starve out a portion of your population just because they don't like you!" (look up the Holodomor). They also both killed millions of their own people. You want to paint the US in this evil light. Yeah no in comparison we're certainly better than a fair few. However that doesn't mean we don't do terrible things or haven't done terrible things and those things need to be stopped and made up for. They're not okay. I think that's fair. But I don't think it's fair to say we have only ever done bad things anywhere and everywhere.
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