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Comments by "leapdrive" (@leapdrive) on "Miracles From the Mother of God?" video.
Donald Cooley, it was the Church Fathers in the Councils of Hippo that brought you the Bible but, those compilation of books were based on the teachings of Sacred Tradition. Therefore, it would only be the same Church that can interpret the Bible for you correctly.
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bornagain... just because something or someone is not mentioned does not mean her role as mediatrix is diminished. Just because a surgical doctor succeeded in surgery doesn't diminish the nurses' role in that surgery. They are still major parts of success in the surgery. Your Protestant logic is flawed when you mention one only being a subset of a set each having bigger and smaller functions. In an attempt to right your wrong argument, you ignore the verse (and there are more verses) that you yourselves resort to in taking literal meanings. So you take literal meanings and then, you take innuendoes to fit your flawed arguments. At this time, you Protestant should succumb to Catholic apologists who are able to now present true arguments in a much more efficient way (internet presentations) and to dispel your egos that hinder you from admitting your flaws. You ego may stand on the way of your own eternal salvation.
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She probably got cured from her cancer otherwise the news media would have reported it was a bust.
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Donald Cooley, it is unfortunate that you Protestants have only the Bible (and the wrong version at that) to guide you. Sacred Tradition came first and was used even before the Bible was compiled by the Catholic ancient Fathers in the Councils of Hippo. Sacred Tradition brought about the Marian doctrines and, it was used by ancient Christians as it is being used by modern Catholics. "And we charge you, brethren, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that you withdraw yourselves from every brother walking disorderly, and not according to the tradition (Sacred Tradition) which they have received of us." 2Thessalonians 3:6 Nowhere in the Bible does it say that it should be the source of teaching. Although it can be as long as one uses the Catholic interpretation.
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bornagain...., there's a story in a famous exorcism (tldm.org, menu: exorcism) that a demon spoke off under the direction of the exorcists to speak only the truth. The demon speaks of Mary after her Son's death who have literally taken the role of Mother of the Church, under Christ's instruction; she commanded some apostles to write about the life and teachings of Jesus and, to write their (biblical) books with very little mention of her so it can be more Christocentric. In doing so, that now leaves the Marian doctrines in Sacred Tradition. Sacred Tradition is of course the main source of teachings of the ancient Catholic only Christians and modern Catholics as well as the Bible interpreted by the Catholic Church. As I mentioned previously, nowhere in the Bible does it mention that the Bible is the source of Christian teaching but Sacred Tradition (2 Thessalonians 3:6) is mentioned as such. The Bible can only be interpreted based on Sacred Tradition teachings for it was ST that was used to qualify which books were qualified to be part of the Bible.
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bornagain...., once again SACRED TRADITION brought us the Marian Doctrines. The ST came first before the Bible and, the ST begot the Bible because it's the ST that provided for the STANDARDS for the Bible. How many times do we keep repeating this??? NOT EVERYTHING IS IN THE BIBLE. The Bible came almost 5 centuries later than ST.
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bornagain... I WOULD LIKE FOR YOU TO COMMENT ON 2Thesalonians 3:6) DIRECTLY SO WE KNOW YOU INTERPRETATION TO THIS. YOU SEEM TO IGNORE A VERSE IF IT DOES NOT FIT YOUR ARGUMENT. IN DOING SO YOU BECOME CAFETERIA CHRISTIANS CHOOSING FROM A MENU OF WHAT TO BELIEVE. just because something or someone is not mentioned ("knock in his name" without the mention of Mary) does not mean her role as mediatrix is diminished. Just because a surgical doctor succeeded in surgery doesn't diminish the nurses' role in that surgery. They are still major parts of success in the surgery. Your Protestant logic is flawed when you mention one only being a subset of a set each having bigger and smaller functions. In an attempt to right your wrong argument, you ignore the verse (2 Thessalonians 3:6 and there are more verses) that you yourselves resort to in taking literal meanings. So you take literal meanings and then, you take innuendoes to fit your flawed arguments. At this time, you Protestant should succumb to Catholic apologists who are able to now present true arguments in a much more efficient way (internet presentations) and to dispel your egos that hinder you from admitting your flaws. You ego may stand on the way of your own eternal salvation.
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bornagain...., and if you believe in guardian angels (mentioned in the Bible) you can easily believe in Mary since they both assist in souls' eternal salvation. Please don't tell us that only Jesus works by Himself for our salvation otherwise what would there be a need for guardian angels? And we Catholics in this thread are doing the same thing (assisting in your salvation by arguing with you on your flawed arguments). So if human souls do, why not angels, and....WHY NOT THE MOTHER OF GOD???
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bornagain... I ASKED YOU TO COMMENT ON 2 Thessalonians 3:6. YOU KEEP IGNORING THE VERSE? The rosary is a set of prayers encouraged by an apparition of Mary in the 12th century to St. Dominic. Being an apparition it is treated not as doctrine and, unbelief of apparition(s) is not a requirement for Catholics. You have so much misconceptions of the Church's teachings and you'd only discuss topics you're familiar with despite the flaw. And why do you think the Bible still gives you all moral advice if we're saved by the cross irregardless of your behavior? You're totally going against the Bible teaching, aren't you?
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Donald Cooley, 2 Tim 3:15-17 refers to the Old Testament which was called scriptures. That was all the Hebrews had. Catholic tradition (Sacred Tradition) did not exist until Christ came and then the Bible 5- centuries later.
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bornagain..., but you need to be contrite of your sins before you are forgiven. Honestly try not to backslide into the same sins as well. Forgiveness is not automatic without those conditions.
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bornagain..., praying the rosary (which is asking Mary to pray for us in the Hail Mary) IS NOT SACRED TRADITION. I had told you it is investigated and approved worthy of veneration only. NOT PART OF CATHOLIC DOCTRINE. What is your point having me repeat this? Perhaps you're running out of argument. Please do honest research of Catholic Theology rather than waste time trying to make useless wars with Catholicism.
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bornagain...., because Marian apparitions that had been investigated and approved by the local bishops conclude that nothing contrary to doctrine had been spoken by the apparitions and, suggestion made by the apparitions are said to be efficacious to ones soul.
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Donald Cooley, if you rearrange your thought based on everything I typed in my comments, you wouldn't come up with such incoherent accusations. As it is, you choose to be confused. It is your prerogative to stay confused based on your free will. Good luck with your confused mind. I don't want to hear from you.
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Donald Cooley, you talk about the Body of Christ which is his bride. Which among the 50,000 plus Protestant denominations is the Body of Christ? Should we count the millions of non-denominational Protestants who are their own popes and their own members of their own Churches? That should take your Protestant denominations close to hundreds of thousands. Anyone who's still Protestant by now despite all the internet information made available by Catholic ministries should be questioned if they're even really Christians. You may simply be subversives tools of demons.
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Donald Cooley, if you're reading intently the exorcism story was something extra over and above doctrinal teachings. But you choose to be provocative and irrational. You are hopeless because you close your mind to reason. Gooooooooo awaaaaay!
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Do you want me to spell it out?! Gooooooooooo!
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bornagain..... since Catholics are not required to believe in apparitions, I'm not obligated to defend it either. Therefore it's fine if you don't believe it.
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bornagain...., did you get a chance to read the prophecies of OLFatima in 1917 and, how it is being fulfilled from the late 20th century to the present? Back when I was a youngster, I thought it impossible for bishops, priest and cardinals to oppose each other when they acted so holy. Scandles of the clergy was so few and far between and infractions were so minute compared to what goes on today. To say communism was going to rule the world was outrageous. How can anyone prohecize such a thing when the US and Europe were the models of democracies and power? I dare say, the book "Nineteen Eigthy Four" was just based on Fatima's prophecies and that the author had no prophetic vision. Your description of OL Fatima's claims are not against Church teaching. As you can see in Chapter 11 of Revelations that she was introduced "The Ark of the Covenant" and continues on in Chapter twelve as "The woman cloaked with the sun...." please read the Bible if you say you only believe in the Bible. The titles given to her are given for a reason. They are Tradition and Bible based. Read the Litany of the Rosary after the invocations for God. So how can this particular Marian apparition be demonic when she warns us truthfully of what's happening? Granted that some apparitions seemingly Marian have not been Church approved for that very reason- perhaps demonic. However, this Holy Spirit continues to be active in the Church that is why prophecies continue. For you Protestants, the Holy Spirit stopped operating after the books of the NT had been written. Didn't the Holy Spirit dwell into the Apostles in form of a Holy Fire on Pentecost Sunday? It's in the Bible and, at the time Mary was present. Why? It's because she's the mother of the Church as proclaimed by Christ to her and John at the foot of the cross.
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Eleana..., guardian angels are in the Bible. If angels guard us from physical and spiritual harm, then they assist souls for their salvation. If you pray for others' spiritual wellbeing, you too assist souls for salvation.
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Eleana..., "And we charge you, brethren, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that you withdraw yourselves from every brother walking disorderly, and not according to the tradition (Sacred Tradition) which they have received of us." [2 Thessalonians 3:6] Note: its Sacred Tradition that's pointed out by the Bible as the main reference to Christian formation and instructions. Do you see a verse in the Bible that says the Bible should be your source. You'll see Old Scriptures which is the only Old Testament.
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Eleana..., doctrines stems from Christ and the interpretations of His teachings. Didn't Christ interpreted the OT to his disciples in many occasions as they were baffled by it? And are you privy to the many teachings He taught His apostles in their privacy many of which are in Sacred Tradition. How do you interpret the Bible if you're not qualified to perform exogesis? Do you have knowledge of Hebrew, Aramaic and Latin and ancient traditions, figures of speech etc. So how do you make real biblical interpretation?
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Eleana.., I asked you a question. Can you find any verse in the Bible that says the Bible is your source for teachings?
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Just Because, the woman in the video?
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Just...., it's fine. :)
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