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@lazar14 "if their wellbeing is not satisfied, then why are they buying?"
Because of propaganda, I mean advertising. That's why people buy stuff that wont satisfy them.
When I go to work, my wage is not profit. Profit is made off my labor for the boss. I work because I need to eat and don't want to be homeless. I am not driven by profit. I am driven by my need to survive. That's how it is for all workers under capitalism. Fun thing is, humans have been innovating and doing labor without money or profit incentive for millennia. We do it to make our lives easier and to survive.
I also work for free all the time, as most of us do. For some reason labor done to keep your home in order is never counted. Raising a child is labor, ad we do not do that for a profit incentive. We do free labor all the time.
I also want to know where you are getting the idea that under socialism all work would be done for free and there would be no compensation. Can you point me to where you got this info?
"how is capitalism in direct contradiction with democracy? And by the same token, how is socialism, a system based on the sole ownership of the means of production by the state and udergirded by a one party system - democratic?"
In what capitalist country does the worker get to vote on what is produced and how much is produced? When do the workers get to vote for their CEO and leaders? When do workers get to vote for their own jobs to be sent over seas? Where is the democracy in the work place.
How can you question how capitalism is in direct contradiction with democracy when we have zero democracy in our work places? Then when we look at our political system, its very obvious, mainly though our laws, that capital interests own our political system. The USA political system was directly molded after Athenian democracies. Land owning (white) men get to vote. Our capitalist nation started out with only the capitalists allowed to vote. We had to fight to get more groups of people the right to vote, but we still get capitalist politician vs capitalist politician. So where's the democracy in that?
Capitalist do not want true democracy. Workers would never vote their jobs away. Workers would never vote for planned obsolescence. Workers wouldn't vote for low wages. Workers would vote for million dollar bonuses to a single person. Workers wouldn't vote for rents to be raised astronomically. Real democracy is bad for capitalist interests.
Your definition of socialism, isn't socialism. When you think of governments, your mind automatically goes towards liberal "democracies" and how they are structured. Socialist governments are governments controlled by the workers and made up of workers voted in by workers. They have far more say in how the economy runs than in a capitalist economy. The people of Cuba have more democracy in their lives than people of USA do. The people of Cuba control their government, not the other way around. They have a say in what is and isn't produced and how those resources are allocated. In USA we get to vote for capitalist owned politicians every 2 years, and thats about it forr the political system for the most part. No democracy in our workplace. Just our labor being exploited to make a tiny select few incredibly rich.
"These quotes however omit the tens of millions that died form persecution and starvation under Chairman Mao"
I cant read the quotes since they are gone, but when you actually look at Chinas history beyond the communist revolution, you learn that China was having multiple famines every year. A lot of people died. They haven't had a famine since their revolution. Why are we not factoring in the millions of lives that were saved by ending famines.
Also, revolution is war, people die during war. Weird how all the brits killed by Americans to get out from under British Tyranny is good but the Chinese doing it is bad.
You keep mentioning deaths under communism. You do realize almost all of those numbers come from The Black Book of Communism, something that has been debunked. Those deaths you mention in the USSR, most of them are made up. They counted the death of Nazis as deaths to communism. During the famine the birth rate dropped. That's typical for times of famine regardless of your political and economic systems. The people that weren't born due to the drop in the birth rate were counted as deaths. Do you really want to count the death of nazis and people who were never born as victims of communism?
Should we apply the same standards to capitalism? If we did the death count easily could reach over a billion in the past century alone.
Anyways, you seem really dumb and fully propagandized.
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