Comments by "Kim O\x27Brien" (@kimobrien.) on "Bakery owner: Government is forcing me to violate religious freedom" video.

  1. The court needs only to rule that for profit corporations do not have religious rights and overturn the previous ruling in Hobby Lobby finding otherwise. However sensable a ruling that might seem some business owners want the right to do otherwise. Such a ruling does not force Jack Phillips the baker to do anything. It only means that Jack Phillips in the guise of Masterpiece Cake Shops the for profit corporation can not simply refuse to bake based on religious beliefs alone. He and his friends at Alliance Defending Freedom, who cry poverty, can now seek another way to poke a hole in public accommodation law. Does he have to bake 'divorce cakes'? No because divorcees are not a protected class under public accommodation law. Does he have to bake insult (KKK or NAZI) cakes? No because making insults is not protected by public accommodation law. Does he have to bake halloween cakes? Only if Satanists can claim to be a religion, require special halloween cakes for religious practice and the cake shop freely bakes speciality cakes for large groups of others for special religious practices. However in all these instances Jake the baker can refuse but how Masterpiece cakeshop complies is the second and more practical issue.
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  2. Masterpiece cakeshop is organized as for profit corporation. Jack Phillips as owner is refusing to bake while pretending he is being told that he personally must bake the cake. He doesn't get an exemption from the law since he is open to the public and is not providing core religious services or products only. He like other religious bosses would like to bring religion into their business as a way to discriminate against non believers and mal contents.
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  3. The issue here is does Masterpiece cakeshop, a for profit corporation, have to comply with public accommodation law or can it have a religious exemption? I don't attend church that often but I don't remember Walmart taking communion or Exxon sitting in a pew at any Church wedding or funeral I've been to.
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  4. A couple comes into a custom furniture builder says we want to buy a bed for two. Manager says, "Who's it for?" "It's for us." " Sorry we don't endorse interracial marriage.", " Sorry we don't endorse Christians marrying Jews." " Sorry we don't endorse Muslims marrying Christians." "Sorry we don't endorse same sex marriage." or " We would be happy to build one for you sit down and lets design one."
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  5. They're Supreme Court Justices not Conservative Preachers and hypothetical situations do matter. Masterpiece cake shop has lost every appeal so far. They don't hear every appeal that comes their way either. The easiest thing to do is just reasert a states right to have public accommodation laws. The only way to tamper with that is to issue some kind of limited ruling putting the ball back in Congress's court by citing the so called restoration of religious liberty act which is nothing but a way to satisfy conservatives donors that want Christianity and religion given special rights by government. Judge Roy Moore, a prime example of that kind of thinking, lost his Alabama election campaign for Senator and no doubt that lose will have some effect on the thinking of 'nine wise souls'.
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  6. Where does it say that a for profit corporation operating outside of a core religious area has the right to a religion? Also I have yet to see the corporation as a fictitious person do any actual labor or attend a religious ceremony.
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  7. Masterpiece cakeshop is the defendant not Jack Phillips the person.
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  8. Right and Christians are the majority of people in jail. According to my cousin that makes Christians political prisoners. Somehow I don't see it that way as there being in jail has nothing to do with there being Christians. Now just because attendance at Mass is down and fewer are entering the priesthood that does not mean Christians are looked down upon it just means fewer believers. Less hunger for the communion wafers doesn't mean no one goes hungry for real food.
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  9. The court needs only rule that for profit corporations do not have religious rights for purposes of public accommodation law. When was the last time you saw GE sitting in a pew next to you.
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  10. This is not a case about does an individual having to do something. It's about a for profit corporate entity having and exercising it's religious views in the marketplace.
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  11. It more like a Christian taco stand owner who sells both beef and pork tacos. A muslim comes in and asks for a beef taco the Christian shop own says I can only sell you a pork taco.
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  12. Jack Phillips did not like the compromise of either having another worker without out his views make the cakes or having an outside contractor do it. His actual involvement would have been extremely minimum at that point about the same as selling cookies for unknown purposes.
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  13. That's not the question being asked but I don't see how you would have to create any special art but I don't see how you could refuse to put Jim and John on a cake if you were willing to put Jim and Jane on a cake.
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  14. With a screen name of AllHailEmporerTrump. I think that says it all. Not much reason to argue with those who hail the Emperor. Can I sell you a pair of knee pads?
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  15. Lets see given that Trump had the Clintons at one of his weddings and both Trump and Bill Clinton are such ladies men I'm wondering if Karl Marx was right when he said the Bourgeois take great pleasure in seducing each others wives? Could it be that either a swap orooh or a threesome/foursome went bad and that's why the Emperor Trump and Queen Hillary aren't getting along that well. Oh and just for the record I wasn't foolish enough to vote for either the Queen or the Emperor. Since 40% beats both 30% and 30% shouldn't Congress just have rented out the White House for money to lower the deficit? By the way. Could I interest you in a set of Chain Mail for you next Jousting match in the Colosseum?
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  16. No he is claiming a religious exemption for Masterpiece bakeshop not making wedding cakes that would be used for a same sex wedding. Certainly he hasn't refused all LGBT people because that would require some sort of test or oath to be taken. They don't all have some specific visible characterization that says I'm LGBT. Public Accommodation law says masterpiece cake shop can't refuse on that basis. He was offered a compromise of having another worker without his views to do the job or contracting it out he refused to do either.
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  17. He advertised selling wedding cakes including pictures of wedding cakes on the internet. It's a long stretch to claim that a cake represents speech of the bakery and especially the actual maker. A bookstore can easily say we sell books based upon who the patrons are or that this is a Christian Science reading room for our religious activity only. Do Christian book stores have problems with others demanding they sell a particular book? To the best of my knowledge the only problems involving books stores is sales tax and employees.
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  18. I worked for a large retail chain that wasn't very organized in selling products. So if you don't have something as advertised first apologise. The second defense is calling another store or having a manager call corporate for more information. In that instance its always about trying to satisfy the customer not turn them away. The only thing most stores have to watch out for is having sales because they can only have them for two weeks out of four. So stores like Walmart have rollbacks and others might have reduced prices or as advertised prices. Then there is the possibility of confused signage so if an old sign is left up or a new sign is up early the customer gets that price for at least one item. Prices that are way out of whack or can be changed by a customer moving a sign or changing a ticket are usually refused This however was an outright refusal based on religion alone. That's probably why the court took the case since the issue is so clearly posed.
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  19. Like I said he refused outright and how is a same sex wedding cake different than a regular wedding cake? Since he refused to even discuss the matter that's not clear at all. If he said, 'Ok' and then actually said, "I can't do this or that." he would have a stronger case for refusal. "I never made a rainbow cake before or we can't get same sex figurines." I worked for a cable TV installation contractor. A lot of guys would reject jobs that they thought would take more time then they were worth. They came up with ways to suggest to a customer how a job would have to be done just so they could get a refusal. Acting stupid and telling a customer your going to run black cables and drill holes all over the places will usually do the trick. Another one was good for rental housing was we can't drill a hole without the landlord's written permission to put a hole in an exact place.
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  20. Yes race is a social construct but genetics determine skin color.
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  21. Whats this have to do with a bakeshop refusing to bake a cake for a gay wedding reception?
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  22. Why comment if it's just a waste of time?
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  23. NAZIsm in the form of people wearing NAZI uniforms is legal. What is illegal is NAZI violence. That way you are prohibiting an action not an ideology. If a fascist movement rises in the US it may reuse Hitler's ideas but it will have an American nationalism not German nationalism as its uniform.
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  24. He could of tried that and risked his reputation as a quality cake baker or found the buyer suing him for a poorly made cake, a refusal to pay in full or a case of credit card fraud could have ensued.
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  25. The thing is the bakeries owner wasn't black nor was the couple. Go back under the rock the KKK hides under.
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  26. I'm not part of the LA Jet set nor was my wedding a lavish affair. He refused on principle which why I find this case relevant. I really don't care if Paris Hilton gets thrown out for not wearing panties at the Sheraton motor lodge.
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  27. I tend to doubt that a Islamic Jihadist walks into Walmart than goes to the firearms counter and says, " Hi I'm an Islamic Jihadist planning a massacre. I need to kill as many people as possible. What do you have for firearms on rollback today?" Even more unlikely is the NRA bringing a second amendment lawsuit in his name after he is arrested or the guy behind the counter letting him hold a rifle in his hands to begin with.
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  28. Yup and did Steven Crowder then complain to the appropriate authority? NO! Why? Because if he did it would be against his beliefs. So in the end he proved nothing except that a certain number of muslim bakers like Jack Phillips the Christian baker can rot in hell together with 72 virgins.
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